Amos Chapters 1 - 5 Q&A: Bible Study by Atheists

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[00:00:48] Wife!

[00:00:49] We're back!

[00:00:50] We are. We are, uh... this is long overdue.

[00:00:54] It is! We're doing a Q&A, not on Saturday, sometime in the middle of the week.

[00:00:59] Not even in the right fucking week.

[00:01:01] No, it's later.

[00:01:02] Yeah, so we...

[00:01:04] No, we don't suck.

[00:01:06] American voters suck.

[00:01:08] And we had to do some mourning and some sadness and some commiserating.

[00:01:13] Yes.

[00:01:13] And also, I mean, we suck a little bit because our schedules threw it off in the first place.

[00:01:18] Yes, it is. It is. Um, so, but we are getting it done.

[00:01:21] Mm-hmm.

[00:01:22] And we're doing it now.

[00:01:23] Yeah, that...

[00:01:24] So it's here.

[00:01:25] We made it.

[00:01:26] Amos Q&A for chapters one through five.

[00:01:29] All right, let's do this.

[00:01:30] Okie dokie.

[00:01:38] All right, let's cover us some questions.

[00:01:41] Okay.

[00:01:41] From Amos chapters one through five.

[00:01:44] Sounds like a plan.

[00:01:45] Is it?

[00:01:45] I mean, it seems to be.

[00:01:48] Yeah.

[00:01:48] All right, so guess what?

[00:01:49] What?

[00:01:50] Amos means in Hebrew, a burden.

[00:01:53] Mm-hmm.

[00:01:53] He's a fucking burden.

[00:01:55] Okay.

[00:01:55] Either that or the information he has is a burden.

[00:01:59] Yeah.

[00:01:59] Or it means absolutely nothing and that's just, you know...

[00:02:02] Right.

[00:02:02] Who knows?

[00:02:03] Maybe his parents were just assholes and named him a burden.

[00:02:05] Could be.

[00:02:06] Yeah.

[00:02:06] What a burden.

[00:02:08] Yeah, yeah.

[00:02:09] All right, so let us start with verse one of chapter one.

[00:02:15] Okay.

[00:02:15] Yeah.

[00:02:16] The words of Amos, one of the shepherds of Tekoa.

[00:02:19] The vision he saw concerning Israel two years before the earthquake when Uzariah was king

[00:02:24] of Judah and Jeroboam son of Jehoash was king of Israel.

[00:02:30] Okay.

[00:02:31] Remember we were like the fuck?

[00:02:32] I remember the intro to the intro.

[00:02:33] Yeah, right?

[00:02:34] Yeah.

[00:02:34] So okay, dude was a shepherd, a sheep raiser of Tekoa.

[00:02:39] Okay.

[00:02:39] Which is a small town of Judah six miles southeast from Bethlehem.

[00:02:43] Okay.

[00:02:44] Okay.

[00:02:44] Twelve miles from Jerusalem on the borders of the great desert.

[00:02:50] Got it.

[00:02:51] Sure.

[00:02:51] It was a region more fit for pastoral than for agricultural purposes.

[00:02:56] Okay.

[00:02:57] Okay.

[00:02:57] So he owned and tended flocks and he collected sycamore figs.

[00:03:02] Oh, that's why he was a sycamore whatever thing he was, a dresser.

[00:03:05] Yeah.

[00:03:06] Yeah.

[00:03:06] Okay.

[00:03:07] He did.

[00:03:08] Okay.

[00:03:09] Um, Amos dates his prophecy according to a local earthquake that was well known to his

[00:03:15] original readers, but is not mentioned in the biblical record.

[00:03:19] Oh, okay.

[00:03:20] Okay.

[00:03:20] So, you know, cause he says, uh, in the days in two years before the earthquake.

[00:03:25] Yeah.

[00:03:26] That was part of the verse I just read.

[00:03:28] That's why I read it.

[00:03:29] Yeah.

[00:03:29] Yeah.

[00:03:29] So, um, yeah, we're like the fuck, what are you talking about?

[00:03:34] What earthquake?

[00:03:34] Right.

[00:03:35] So in 2005, seismologist Nicholas M. Brazes reviewed the literature on historical earthquakes

[00:03:43] in Jerusalem, specifically the Amos earthquake.

[00:03:46] Okay.

[00:03:47] And he states that modern writers date the earthquake to 759 BCE and assign it to a magnitude of 8.2.

[00:03:56] Oh, damn.

[00:03:57] With an intensity in Jerusalem between, um, uh, eight and nine.

[00:04:03] Wow.

[00:04:04] Yeah.

[00:04:04] That was a really strong earthquake.

[00:04:05] He believes that such an earthquake should have raised Jerusalem to the ground and states

[00:04:10] yet that there is no physical or textual evidence of this.

[00:04:14] Hmm.

[00:04:14] So he's like, this is what they described.

[00:04:17] So this is what it should have been.

[00:04:18] And we are not seeing that.

[00:04:20] Okay.

[00:04:20] But be that as it may, some earthquake did occur.

[00:04:24] Obviously not as great as they thought it was, but scary enough that they described it

[00:04:28] much stronger than it was.

[00:04:29] Got it.

[00:04:30] And we know this because other literature of that time.

[00:04:33] Yeah.

[00:04:34] And other parts of the Bible from that time were like as great as the earthquake.

[00:04:38] Oh.

[00:04:39] Wow.

[00:04:39] And this was such a scary thing that happened that you could even say it was an earthquake.

[00:04:45] Got it.

[00:04:45] Like lots of literature, you know, evoked that.

[00:04:49] Yeah.

[00:04:49] Like as scary as an earthquake.

[00:04:51] Sure.

[00:04:51] You know?

[00:04:52] Sure.

[00:04:52] Like they just stuck it in there just to make sure to drive it home that you know that,

[00:04:56] whoa, this must be for real if it's as strong as an earthquake.

[00:05:00] Right.

[00:05:01] Remember that one earthquake?

[00:05:03] Yeah.

[00:05:03] Yeah.

[00:05:03] That's what they're talking about there.

[00:05:05] Okay.

[00:05:05] Uh huh.

[00:05:06] So let's move on to verse three now.

[00:05:08] Okay.

[00:05:09] This is what the Lord says for three sins of Damascus, even for four, I will not relent.

[00:05:15] I have a question before we move on to this one.

[00:05:16] Okay.

[00:05:17] Cause this is really interesting.

[00:05:18] No, I got it.

[00:05:18] I got it.

[00:05:18] Okay.

[00:05:18] Go.

[00:05:19] But did you look up and are we going to describe what a sycamore dresser is?

[00:05:22] No.

[00:05:23] Okay.

[00:05:23] Cause I got the information.

[00:05:24] Okay.

[00:05:25] Do you want me to cover it real quick?

[00:05:25] Yes.

[00:05:26] I forgot that that was a question.

[00:05:27] Okay.

[00:05:27] Yes.

[00:05:27] All right.

[00:05:27] Tell me about dressing a sycamore.

[00:05:29] So, um, sycamore, uh, the sycamore tree in the Bible is actually a type of fig tree

[00:05:34] and it's native to the Middle East and they needed a little help in the ripening process.

[00:05:40] So a sycamore dresser was someone who would like make little cuts to help the figs grow.

[00:05:45] Oh, okay.

[00:05:46] So just for the record.

[00:05:47] He didn't just collect the figs.

[00:05:49] He also, um, helped them ripen.

[00:05:51] With the ripening process.

[00:05:52] Yeah.

[00:05:53] Yeah.

[00:05:53] Yeah.

[00:05:53] Okay.

[00:05:53] Cool.

[00:05:54] So that was, that was, I just, we had the question.

[00:05:56] I wanted to make sure we talked about it.

[00:05:58] We did.

[00:05:58] And I forgot about that.

[00:05:59] Yeah.

[00:05:59] Now go ahead and move along.

[00:06:01] Sorry.

[00:06:02] I just wanted to make sure that was covered.

[00:06:04] The three sins even for four.

[00:06:06] Yes.

[00:06:06] That was a big question.

[00:06:08] Yeah.

[00:06:08] All right.

[00:06:09] One, one thing I have to comment on there too.

[00:06:11] Yes.

[00:06:12] It was only like the first couple of two or three chapters that they, there's only like

[00:06:16] the first two chapters.

[00:06:17] I think they did that three of four thing.

[00:06:19] And then it changed for that.

[00:06:21] I never heard of it again after that.

[00:06:22] Um, yeah, that's because some of this was maybe written by a different author.

[00:06:26] Right.

[00:06:27] And that's kind of what I just throw that out there as food for thought.

[00:06:30] Sure.

[00:06:31] Yeah, sure.

[00:06:31] Um, this didn't mean that Damascus only committed three sins and then God thought of a fourth

[00:06:37] sin, obviously.

[00:06:38] Okay.

[00:06:38] Right.

[00:06:38] Like it just, just in case anybody thought that that's not what it was.

[00:06:42] Right.

[00:06:42] It simply has the idea of sin upon sin upon sin and shows that the nation has done this

[00:06:47] again and again and again and can no longer escape punishment.

[00:06:50] Okay.

[00:06:50] That's the Bible explanation.

[00:06:51] Anyway.

[00:06:52] Sure.

[00:06:53] Okay.

[00:06:53] Yeah.

[00:06:53] The repetitive expression of three and four means repetition, abundance and excess.

[00:06:58] A literary style that was used among ancient Greek and Latin poets.

[00:07:04] Hmm.

[00:07:05] And so I copied down some examples, which I thought were so fucking fascinating because

[00:07:10] you know, I'm a literature geek, right?

[00:07:12] Sure.

[00:07:12] Yeah.

[00:07:12] Okay.

[00:07:13] So from Ulysses, we have thrice happy Greeks and four times who were slain in Atreus's cause

[00:07:20] upon the Trojan plane.

[00:07:23] Huh.

[00:07:23] Okay.

[00:07:24] Then we've got Virgil's Aeneid.

[00:07:26] Aeneid.

[00:07:27] I never say it right.

[00:07:29] Damn it.

[00:07:30] I even looked it up to see how to pronounce it, but that was like three days ago.

[00:07:33] Right.

[00:07:33] Yeah.

[00:07:34] Who can keep track of three days ago?

[00:07:36] I can't.

[00:07:36] Yeah.

[00:07:37] So struck with unusual fright, the Trojan chief with lifted hands and eyes invokes relief

[00:07:43] and thrice and four times happy those he cried that under lions walls before their parents

[00:07:50] died.

[00:07:50] So this would indicate to me, possibly that the first couple of chapters were not written

[00:07:57] by Amos or in that timeframe.

[00:07:58] They were written by a Greek author at some other point, or at least reinterpreted and

[00:08:02] rewritten at some.

[00:08:03] It was Greek and Latin poets.

[00:08:06] Okay.

[00:08:06] Who wrote in this style.

[00:08:08] Sure.

[00:08:08] So it was either a Greek or Latin poet, or it was somebody who appreciated Greek and Latin

[00:08:15] poetry.

[00:08:16] Right.

[00:08:16] But I'm betting that this Amos guy, if he was actually real, who was a herdsman and a

[00:08:22] sycamore dresser, was not a Greek and Latin poet also.

[00:08:25] Right.

[00:08:26] No, you're right.

[00:08:26] That's true.

[00:08:27] My guess.

[00:08:28] True.

[00:08:28] But you know, that tracks.

[00:08:30] Yeah.

[00:08:30] I have one more example.

[00:08:32] Okay.

[00:08:32] Sure.

[00:08:32] Yeah.

[00:08:34] Seneca's Hippolytus.

[00:08:35] Oh, thrice and four times happy were the men whom hate devoured and fraud hard pressing

[00:08:41] on gave us a prey, gave us as a prey to death under the.

[00:08:46] Oh yeah, that's it.

[00:08:48] Sorry.

[00:08:49] I was like, wait, what?

[00:08:51] That's not part of the poem.

[00:08:51] Okay.

[00:08:52] Yeah.

[00:08:52] So I just thought those were neat.

[00:08:54] Yeah.

[00:08:55] So that answers that question.

[00:08:57] Like what the fuck is this three and four?

[00:08:59] It's a poetry thing.

[00:09:00] It's a poetry thing.

[00:09:01] Yeah.

[00:09:02] So under the Kings, Hezael and Ben Haddad, Syria, whose capital was Damascus, tortured

[00:09:08] and butchered its victims by the most brutal of methods.

[00:09:12] So Syria is condemned to destruction and captivity due to its unrestrained cruelty.

[00:09:17] Got it.

[00:09:18] Remember, that's what these first chapters were about is God yelling at all of these different

[00:09:23] nations.

[00:09:24] Right.

[00:09:24] Right.

[00:09:24] Yeah.

[00:09:25] So verse six reads, this is what the Lord says for three sins of Gaza, even for four,

[00:09:32] I will not relent.

[00:09:34] Okay.

[00:09:34] So remember, we're traveling through all of these different nations.

[00:09:38] Right.

[00:09:38] Right.

[00:09:38] And that's why he's using this particular style of phrase as he's yelling at all these different

[00:09:44] nations.

[00:09:45] Okay.

[00:09:45] So in punishment, Philistia's own chief cities, Gaza, Ashdod, Ashklon and Ekron will be destroyed.

[00:09:53] The condemnation here is not against slavery in and of itself.

[00:09:58] It should be noted just as the previous Oracle was not actually against war in and of itself.

[00:10:04] Okay.

[00:10:05] The crime is not that soldiers were enslaved after being taken in battle, which was the

[00:10:10] standard practice, but that the Philistines used their temporary supremacy to enslave whole

[00:10:17] populations, soldiers and civilians, men and women, adults and children, young and old for

[00:10:23] commercial profit.

[00:10:25] So if they just take it on the slavery, that's fine.

[00:10:28] But they sold the slaves and that's the problem.

[00:10:32] Got it.

[00:10:32] Okay.

[00:10:33] So Gaza, I mean, oh my God, they did not even need the slaves.

[00:10:37] Wait, wasn't there a point?

[00:10:38] Didn't we read something somewhere where God told the Israelites to take people and sell

[00:10:43] them for profit?

[00:10:43] Oh, that's fine.

[00:10:44] Maybe it was even in this.

[00:10:46] Whatever.

[00:10:47] Yeah.

[00:10:47] That's fine.

[00:10:48] Whatever.

[00:10:48] Okay.

[00:10:49] I don't know why you would ever criticize anything.

[00:10:51] God did.

[00:10:52] Well, everything God did is beautiful.

[00:10:54] The whole point of this, isn't it?

[00:10:55] His butthole does not stink.

[00:10:56] Doesn't it?

[00:10:57] No.

[00:10:57] I should ask Moses because Moses was like, he showed him his backside.

[00:11:00] Mm hmm.

[00:11:01] Yeah.

[00:11:02] Anyway, Gaza did not even need the slaves, but they were like, whatever.

[00:11:07] We like slavery and it's awesome.

[00:11:10] She merely sold them to eat them for more money.

[00:11:12] Oh, okay.

[00:11:14] So that bitch, that bitch, that Gaza bitch.

[00:11:17] Got it.

[00:11:17] Taking all those slaves and then selling them on top of it.

[00:11:19] Right.

[00:11:20] Right?

[00:11:20] Like that was the real problem.

[00:11:22] Yeah.

[00:11:23] Oh, I just can't.

[00:11:24] Right.

[00:11:25] Anyway, tear tire tear.

[00:11:28] We can never remember which one it is.

[00:11:30] Right.

[00:11:30] Of Lebanon, a Phoenician city to the north of Israel and the leading commercial center of

[00:11:37] the region would also be conquered and burnt burnt to the ground.

[00:11:41] It deceived its treaty partners and bought and sold slaves as it would any other merchandise.

[00:11:47] Okay.

[00:11:47] Right.

[00:11:49] So the people of Edom descended from Esau, the brother of Jacob, later named Israel.

[00:11:55] So in this way, the Lord could speak of the people of Edom as brother to the God of people.

[00:12:01] I'm sorry, to the brother, to the people of God.

[00:12:04] Got it.

[00:12:04] In that they shared common ancestors in Abraham and Isaac.

[00:12:08] Right.

[00:12:09] Uh huh.

[00:12:09] So Edom is condemned, condemned for savagery, attacking Israel without any thought for the

[00:12:16] blood relation between the two nations.

[00:12:18] Hmm.

[00:12:19] So it's not that Edom attacked them.

[00:12:21] It's that it attacked them even though they were brothers.

[00:12:24] Got it.

[00:12:25] If it had just been some random nation that attacked them, well that's obviously fine.

[00:12:28] Just for the record, it is tire.

[00:12:30] Tire.

[00:12:31] Tiresome.

[00:12:32] Yeah.

[00:12:32] Tired of me pronouncing it wrong.

[00:12:34] Swing tire.

[00:12:35] Wife is doing a mental trick on the air.

[00:12:38] Yes.

[00:12:38] Yeah.

[00:12:39] I'm like, tire.

[00:12:40] It's tire, you dumbo.

[00:12:42] Tire.

[00:12:44] I might remember.

[00:12:45] Right.

[00:12:46] It could help.

[00:12:46] Right.

[00:12:46] We'll see.

[00:12:48] So anyway, yeah.

[00:12:51] Edom sucked more because they were related.

[00:12:53] Sure.

[00:12:54] Because they attacked.

[00:12:55] I mean, I kind of get that, I guess, a little bit.

[00:12:57] I mean, like you and your brother used to fight when you were kids, right?

[00:13:00] And one of you like threw a knife at the other or some shit like that?

[00:13:04] It was a compass, but yeah, sure.

[00:13:05] Okay.

[00:13:06] Right.

[00:13:06] And so like, that would have been worse than if just some random kid did it.

[00:13:10] Right.

[00:13:11] Like if it would have landed in your eyes.

[00:13:13] Yeah.

[00:13:14] For sure.

[00:13:15] Yeah.

[00:13:15] Definitely.

[00:13:15] Yeah.

[00:13:16] So, okay.

[00:13:17] I guess I'll allow that.

[00:13:19] The area of Gilead belonged to Israel and suffered attacks not only from Syria, but also from their

[00:13:26] neighbor to the west, Ammon, whose capital was Rabba.

[00:13:29] So Ammon also is going to suffer this devastating judgment because it mercilessly killed whole populations, including defenseless women, children, and babies and animals and stuff merely just to expand its territory.

[00:13:46] And we know that it's horrible to kill people just to gain territory.

[00:13:52] We know that God does not like it when people do that.

[00:13:55] Except that he's.

[00:13:56] Except he does that.

[00:13:57] When he wants them to do that.

[00:13:58] Yes.

[00:13:59] Yes.

[00:13:59] So, yeah.

[00:14:00] That's why I was using that.

[00:14:01] Right.

[00:14:02] No, I got it.

[00:14:03] Exactly.

[00:14:05] He's literally suggested the same thing.

[00:14:07] He's literally a hypocrite.

[00:14:09] Yeah.

[00:14:09] He's literally not real.

[00:14:11] He's literally a man.

[00:14:12] Right, right.

[00:14:13] Now.

[00:14:13] It's literally gross.

[00:14:14] It oftentimes is pitched as a retribution to some other action.

[00:14:18] Mm-hmm.

[00:14:18] But these things don't happen in a void.

[00:14:21] We're getting one side of the fucking story.

[00:14:23] Right.

[00:14:23] You know, and I'm not justifying any of it.

[00:14:26] Fucking violence is horrible no matter what you're, which way you're looking at it, right?

[00:14:31] Mm-hmm.

[00:14:31] But when it comes right down to it, especially back in the ancient times here, when it comes

[00:14:36] to punishing women and children for what is happening in the violence and the wars and everything

[00:14:41] else, that's terrible no matter what.

[00:14:43] Yeah.

[00:14:43] I don't care which side you're on.

[00:14:44] Yeah.

[00:14:44] Because they weren't part of the fucking war.

[00:14:46] Exactly.

[00:14:47] Whatever.

[00:14:48] I gotta be honest with you as that was it for chapter one.

[00:14:52] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:14:52] But I gotta be honest with you.

[00:14:53] It's gonna be really, really hard for me to keep my anger, ire, and disdain out of the

[00:15:01] rest of the readings for the rest of this book.

[00:15:04] Yeah.

[00:15:04] After the American election went the way it did.

[00:15:07] Right.

[00:15:08] So why is it going to get angrier as we go?

[00:15:10] I'm so fucking like I did my morning and I laid in bed for two days crying and I watched

[00:15:18] Hallmark Christmas movies from 2017 and I ate nothing but like Doritos and Twizzlers and

[00:15:28] I was sad and I just was so disappointed and disgusted.

[00:15:33] And today, like I just woke up so mad.

[00:15:36] Right.

[00:15:36] I'm so fucking angry that I'm like this book can just eat my whole entire ass.

[00:15:44] Like literally.

[00:15:45] So yeah, every time like I would normally in the past have been like, oh, that's gross.

[00:15:50] Oh, that sucks.

[00:15:51] I'm probably gonna be going off.

[00:15:53] So apologies if you're just joining us now and think that I'm over the top.

[00:15:58] It was not always this way.

[00:16:00] Well, you mellowed out as we've been reading it somewhat because we've run across so much

[00:16:05] awful that it's kind of numbed us to the repetitive nature of these things that are happening in

[00:16:11] the Bible.

[00:16:11] That is true.

[00:16:12] But now I'm just all awash in anger all over again.

[00:16:17] Right.

[00:16:17] It's kind of like us being numbed to the message in the Bible is kind of like people being numbed

[00:16:23] to the in a bit like being numb to Trump.

[00:16:28] Right.

[00:16:28] Like forgetting that Trump was so terrible.

[00:16:30] Apparently, I don't know what the fuck happened.

[00:16:32] But yeah, I don't either.

[00:16:34] Well, I can tell you exactly what happened.

[00:16:36] Right.

[00:16:36] It was the problem with the Biden administration going weak on the war in Gaza.

[00:16:43] And everybody decided that that was the issue that they could not possibly vote for Kamala

[00:16:49] over Trump.

[00:16:50] And so they either sat it out or voted for Trump.

[00:16:54] And I'm like, um, I agree with you 100 percent that they're wrong.

[00:16:58] But do you think Trump's gonna make it better?

[00:17:00] Because he's not.

[00:17:02] I think also the fact that she was a woman was part of it.

[00:17:05] Yeah, definitely.

[00:17:06] Large part.

[00:17:06] Yeah.

[00:17:08] And a person of color.

[00:17:09] Right.

[00:17:09] Let's not forget that.

[00:17:11] Yes, I know we voted for Obama.

[00:17:13] I'm saying that to the three people that are shouting.

[00:17:16] But what about Obama?

[00:17:18] Like, OK, fuck off.

[00:17:20] You can you can vote for one black president in the entirety of American history and be like,

[00:17:27] but we voted for a black person that one time.

[00:17:31] Like, OK, really get over yourself.

[00:17:33] Right.

[00:17:34] OK.

[00:17:34] See, I told you I'm just all kinds of pissed.

[00:17:36] So, OK, back to chapter two now.

[00:17:39] Yeah.

[00:17:39] Amos chapter two.

[00:17:41] There we go.

[00:17:41] This is about judgment on God's people.

[00:17:44] OK.

[00:17:44] You know, Israel, not just their neighbors and shit.

[00:17:47] Sure.

[00:17:47] OK.

[00:17:48] This chapter contains Amos's prophecies regarding God's judgment against Moab, Judah and Israel,

[00:17:55] following a pattern established in chapter one.

[00:17:58] OK.

[00:17:58] Yeah.

[00:17:58] With the these people sucked.

[00:18:00] And here's why.

[00:18:01] Right.

[00:18:01] Moab was a southern neighbor to Judah that bordered Ammon to the south.

[00:18:06] They were related to Lot and therefore to Abraham and his descendants.

[00:18:11] Right.

[00:18:11] The crime of Moab probably is more about sacrilege with the mention of bones and the trumpet.

[00:18:17] Oh, so.

[00:18:19] Yeah.

[00:18:20] So let's read verse one or at least like the second half of it was because he burned to ashes the bones of Edom's king.

[00:18:28] Another translation of that is he burned the bones of the king to eat on into lime.

[00:18:33] OK.

[00:18:34] OK.

[00:18:34] This profane treatment of the corpse by the Moabite people is not mentioned in any historical documents.

[00:18:41] So some historical commentators think that Amos wants to show that, quote, the sympathy of God extends beyond the covenant of people and that he of his people and that he punishes wrongs inflicted even on the heathen nations.

[00:18:58] Oh, so he's like, you didn't just hurt my people.

[00:19:02] You did something mean to these people that I actually hate, but they're related to my people.

[00:19:07] So I'm going to be mad on their behalf for just a minute.

[00:19:09] OK.

[00:19:09] Just a minute.

[00:19:10] Sure.

[00:19:11] Yeah.

[00:19:11] So that's what that's what people are trying to say is why God's like, I can't even believe you did that to Moab.

[00:19:19] Oh, got it.

[00:19:20] OK.

[00:19:20] Yeah.

[00:19:21] So the six nations previously mentioned did not have God's law.

[00:19:25] So they're not condemned by that law.

[00:19:28] They are condemned for ignoring the knowledge of right and wrong.

[00:19:32] So they're not in trouble for not being God's people.

[00:19:35] They're in trouble for, like I said, you know, doing the slavery and the selling of the slaves.

[00:19:39] The bad shit.

[00:19:40] Yeah.

[00:19:40] That's deemed by the Bible and God.

[00:19:42] Sure.

[00:19:43] Right.

[00:19:43] Their inhumanity and cruelty are inexcusable.

[00:19:47] OK.

[00:19:48] So I had to write that because that's what it said.

[00:19:51] But I'm like, are they?

[00:19:52] I don't know.

[00:19:53] You know, you guys seem pretty fucking inexcusable yourself.

[00:19:56] So can I really say that what they did back to you was inexcusable?

[00:20:01] Like.

[00:20:01] Right.

[00:20:02] You know, I think all of you are fucking inexcusable if I'm being honest.

[00:20:06] Sure.

[00:20:06] You know.

[00:20:07] Yeah.

[00:20:07] I mean, there's there's a lot of things that are as retribution said that they have done that the Israelites have done to other people that are pretty inexcusable in my eyes.

[00:20:17] Yeah.

[00:20:17] That's what I'm saying.

[00:20:18] Like, oh, were they mean to you back?

[00:20:21] Right.

[00:20:21] Yeah.

[00:20:22] Oh, sucks to suck, doesn't it?

[00:20:25] But see, here's the problem.

[00:20:26] Judah did have God's law.

[00:20:28] Womp womp.

[00:20:30] Yeah.

[00:20:30] It is condemned for disobeying that law and going its own way.

[00:20:34] Some historians suggest that this oracle may have been a later addition to the text.

[00:20:39] Hmm.

[00:20:40] Okay.

[00:20:40] So there we go.

[00:20:41] Okay.

[00:20:42] So verse seven, the second half reads, father and son use the same girl and so profane my holy name.

[00:20:49] They fucked the same whore.

[00:20:51] You got it.

[00:20:52] Yeah.

[00:20:52] This probably speaks of father and son using the same ritual idolatrous prostitute.

[00:20:59] Okay.

[00:21:00] So they didn't go there apparently at the same time.

[00:21:03] They both went there at separate times doing their like ritual things.

[00:21:09] Okay.

[00:21:09] And the same whore may or may not have serviced them.

[00:21:12] Got it.

[00:21:13] Because she was a temple prostitute.

[00:21:15] Sure.

[00:21:15] Okay.

[00:21:15] I got it.

[00:21:16] In their idol feasts where young women prostituted themselves publicly in honor of Astarte or,

[00:21:23] you know, Asherah, that same chick.

[00:21:26] All right.

[00:21:26] Yeah.

[00:21:27] The father and son entered into impure connections with the same female.

[00:21:31] Okay.

[00:21:32] Impure connections.

[00:21:33] Yeah.

[00:21:34] They fucked the same whore.

[00:21:35] That's a really pretty way of saying that.

[00:21:38] Impure connections.

[00:21:39] Both of their penises did enter the same vaginal hole.

[00:21:43] Some say that Trump had impure connections with Stormy Daniels.

[00:21:48] So I'm just saying.

[00:21:48] Stormy Daniels says that he did.

[00:21:50] Yeah.

[00:21:50] And I believe her.

[00:21:52] Because let's be honest, like who's going to on purpose claim, yeah, I fucked that twat.

[00:21:58] Ew.

[00:21:59] He's so gross.

[00:22:00] I would never.

[00:22:01] Right?

[00:22:02] Like I would not on purpose see that unless it was absolutely true and I had to.

[00:22:06] Right.

[00:22:07] You know?

[00:22:07] You were talking about Stormy Daniels saying that she had sex with Trump.

[00:22:10] Like why would she lie?

[00:22:11] Right?

[00:22:11] Yeah.

[00:22:12] It's not like she was happy about it.

[00:22:14] Right.

[00:22:14] He's gross.

[00:22:15] Right.

[00:22:16] And E.G. and Carol, like, yeah, I'm so excited to say that I got raped and I'm really super

[00:22:22] excited that the rapist was him.

[00:22:25] Right.

[00:22:25] Like I cannot wait to bring him down in this fashion and you know, to have everybody look

[00:22:30] at me this way.

[00:22:31] Like fuck off.

[00:22:32] Believe women, you assholes.

[00:22:34] Right.

[00:22:34] Okay.

[00:22:35] Sorry.

[00:22:36] Judges and officials favor those who bribe them.

[00:22:39] And the result is that the poor and the innocent receive unjust treatment.

[00:22:45] The rich lend to the poor, then take them as slaves when they cannot repay their debts,

[00:22:50] even though the debt may be as little as the price of a pair of sandals.

[00:22:54] Wow.

[00:22:54] Wow.

[00:22:54] Yeah.

[00:22:55] So they're taking advantage of poor people.

[00:22:58] Right.

[00:22:58] You know, which I mean, that seems to have been the case throughout history.

[00:23:02] I was going to say, are we talking about 2024?

[00:23:04] 2024?

[00:23:05] Yeah.

[00:23:06] Shout out to the, you know, current day.

[00:23:08] Yeah.

[00:23:08] The wealthy seize the clothes of the poor as guarantees for the repayment of the debts that

[00:23:14] the poor cannot pay, even though the law of Moses prohibited the seizure of clothes and

[00:23:19] other essential items as guarantees.

[00:23:22] I see.

[00:23:22] So, you know, clearly they weren't reading the Torah.

[00:23:25] Right.

[00:23:26] But since the wealthy have no desire to wear the clothes of the poor because, ew, right?

[00:23:31] Poor clothes, right?

[00:23:32] Poor clothes, ugh.

[00:23:33] Yeah.

[00:23:34] They find an alternate use for them.

[00:23:36] And this is where I was telling you, I bet I know what they did with it.

[00:23:39] Okay.

[00:23:39] Yes.

[00:23:40] They spread them out beside the altars to make beds where they would engage in sexual rights

[00:23:46] with the religious prostitutes.

[00:23:48] Wow.

[00:23:48] And then the poor people are like, I don't even want that shit back, man.

[00:23:51] Right?

[00:23:52] Like, it smells like fuck.

[00:23:55] Like, please, no.

[00:23:56] No.

[00:23:57] The religious feasts became drinking parties, but again, the wine comes from people who

[00:24:03] have been exploited.

[00:24:05] Okay.

[00:24:05] Corrupt officials place unjust fines on poor people such as farmers, and of course then

[00:24:10] when the farmers are unable to pay their fines, the officials seize their wine as payment

[00:24:15] to use at these fuckfest parties.

[00:24:18] Whee!

[00:24:19] Isn't that fun?

[00:24:21] Right.

[00:24:21] God had richly blessed the people of Israel, bringing them out of slavery, destroying the

[00:24:26] former inhabitants of Canaan, and giving them a prosperous land to dwell in.

[00:24:31] And he wants you to remember it for eternity with all strings attached.

[00:24:35] Right.

[00:24:35] He gave them prophets and Nazarites for their spiritual upbuilding, but the people rejected

[00:24:42] both.

[00:24:43] Yeah.

[00:24:43] You know, thousands of years later.

[00:24:45] Sure.

[00:24:46] Well, I mean, they rejected the ideas pretty much all the way through so far.

[00:24:51] Yeah.

[00:24:51] But again, we've questioned the delivery method too, because we're like, I don't think that

[00:24:57] this was real clear to people.

[00:24:59] It wasn't.

[00:24:59] God was a very bad distribution person.

[00:25:04] Because he wasn't actually doing it.

[00:25:06] And he's still being very bad at it.

[00:25:09] Right.

[00:25:10] And quite honestly, I've seen the people that are shouting and spouting his words, and if

[00:25:15] this is the best he can do, I'm vastly disappointed.

[00:25:18] But let's be honest, there ain't no such thing as God.

[00:25:21] Right.

[00:25:22] No.

[00:25:22] No.

[00:25:23] It's God is merely a tool to produce a message that you want to produce and put people in

[00:25:30] fear of not obeying that message.

[00:25:32] Mm-hmm.

[00:25:32] Right.

[00:25:32] That's all it's been.

[00:25:33] That's all it was.

[00:25:34] It's all it ever will be.

[00:25:35] And it's all it is today.

[00:25:37] Yeah.

[00:25:38] That's fun.

[00:25:38] That's what it, that's the whole purpose.

[00:25:40] Yeah.

[00:25:41] Yeah.

[00:25:41] It's crucial for the, you know, when about Trump getting elected.

[00:25:45] Mm-hmm.

[00:25:45] About how, you know, the messaging of even politics with regard to the MAGA, you know, movement

[00:25:51] especially, is very much, you know, it's equivalent to the messaging from the Bible and Christianity.

[00:25:58] Yeah.

[00:25:59] It's a fear-based message that gets people to toe the line because they're scared of some

[00:26:05] hypothetical consequence in the afterlife or in life or whatever.

[00:26:09] Mm-hmm.

[00:26:10] And it's just ridiculous.

[00:26:11] Yeah.

[00:26:12] I agree.

[00:26:13] The vow of the Nazarite is described in Numbers chapter six and was used to express a special

[00:26:19] desire to draw close to God and to separate from the comforts and pleasures of this world.

[00:26:24] Under the Nazarite vow, a man would eat or drink nothing from the grapevine.

[00:26:30] So no alcohol.

[00:26:31] Right.

[00:26:31] No wine.

[00:26:32] He would not cut his hair and he would not go anywhere near dead carcass.

[00:26:36] Right.

[00:26:37] So that's what that was.

[00:26:37] And there was a lot of rules around that I remember too.

[00:26:39] Mm-hmm.

[00:26:40] There are some exceptions sort of sometimes occasionally, but you have to then go.

[00:26:45] Only for like family members, but then you have to like do some stuff.

[00:26:47] You have to go cleanse yourself and it's like a whole process.

[00:26:50] So better be worth it.

[00:26:51] Right.

[00:26:51] All right.

[00:26:52] So let's read verse 10.

[00:26:54] I brought your ass up out of Egypt and led you 40 years in the fucking wilderness to

[00:27:00] give you the land of the Amorites.

[00:27:02] Except that history shows that that probably didn't actually happen.

[00:27:06] Well, it wasn't the 40 years so much as the Exodus itself.

[00:27:10] Right.

[00:27:10] No, that's what I'm saying.

[00:27:10] Yeah.

[00:27:11] It never had didn't happen.

[00:27:13] Right.

[00:27:13] Yeah.

[00:27:14] It didn't.

[00:27:15] Anyway.

[00:27:16] Yeah.

[00:27:17] Amos here when he was talking about the land of the Amorites, he's talking about the whole

[00:27:23] land of Canaan as the Amorites were the principal nation of Canaan.

[00:27:27] Sure.

[00:27:27] And then that's what that was.

[00:27:29] You know, the Israelites were like, we want that land.

[00:27:30] And then God told them that they could have it.

[00:27:33] So they did.

[00:27:34] Sure.

[00:27:35] I guess.

[00:27:35] Sort of.

[00:27:36] Right.

[00:27:36] They kind of conquered it.

[00:27:38] Kind.

[00:27:38] Not really.

[00:27:39] It was a long process of not quite conquering it.

[00:27:41] Ever.

[00:27:42] Yeah.

[00:27:43] So then let's move on to verse 13.

[00:27:45] Now, then I will crush you as a cart crushes when loaded with grain.

[00:27:51] So basically what's happening here is God will therefore crush his people as an ox cart

[00:27:56] loaded with grain crushes whatever is beneath it.

[00:27:59] So he's a nice guy crushing shit.

[00:28:01] Yeah.

[00:28:01] But I like this interpretation that I read.

[00:28:04] Okay.

[00:28:04] I will bring over you the wheel of destruction and it shall grind your place, your city and

[00:28:11] temple as the wheel of a cart laden with sheaves presses down the ground, gravel and stones

[00:28:18] over which it rolls.

[00:28:19] That's a much more poetic way of saying that.

[00:28:22] The wheel of destruction.

[00:28:24] I was like, yeah, damn.

[00:28:26] Like somebody got some AI up in here to make it pretty.

[00:28:30] All right.

[00:28:30] Let's move on to chapter three.

[00:28:32] All right.

[00:28:32] Okay.

[00:28:34] So this is about the logic of God's judgment.

[00:28:37] Logic.

[00:28:37] The logic of it.

[00:28:38] Yeah.

[00:28:39] Because you know, it's very logical to punish people.

[00:28:41] Sure.

[00:28:42] No.

[00:28:43] Right.

[00:28:43] Okay.

[00:28:44] Following the oracles in chapters one and two against Israel and Judah and the country

[00:28:50] surrounding them.

[00:28:51] Amos then addresses Judah and Israel together.

[00:28:54] Right.

[00:28:55] So verse one reads, hear this word, people of Israel, the word the Lord has spoken against

[00:29:00] you against the whole family.

[00:29:02] I brought up out of Egypt.

[00:29:03] Right.

[00:29:04] And I remember you were kind of like family, the fuck.

[00:29:08] And I kind of told you at the time, he just means all of the people related, but I was

[00:29:13] only partly right.

[00:29:14] Okay.

[00:29:15] Okay.

[00:29:15] The children or people of Israel is not just the 10 tribes, but the whole family brought

[00:29:22] up from Egypt, which means all the descendants of Jacob, including Judah and Benjamin.

[00:29:28] So all 12 tribes.

[00:29:30] Yes.

[00:29:31] I thought it was 12 tribes.

[00:29:32] All 12 tribes.

[00:29:33] Yes.

[00:29:33] Many Israelites thought that because they were God's people, they could do as they liked

[00:29:38] without fear of punishment.

[00:29:39] I don't think that's it.

[00:29:40] I don't think that's true at all.

[00:29:41] As we've been reading through this whole thing, there's never been a point where I

[00:29:46] believed because of what the Bible says and specifically actually because of what the

[00:29:50] Bible says, I have never believed that the Israelites fully bought into the fact that

[00:29:57] God is the one true God.

[00:29:58] Yeah.

[00:29:59] God is the only answer.

[00:30:00] They were never on board.

[00:30:01] They weren't specifically like, I'm going to go behind God's back and be sneaky.

[00:30:05] No, there were multiple gods and different, different preachers and priests or whatever the

[00:30:09] hell they were back then.

[00:30:11] Prophet dudes.

[00:30:11] The prophets.

[00:30:12] Yeah.

[00:30:12] They, they worshiped different entities and they wanted you to fall in line with their

[00:30:16] message versus someone else's message.

[00:30:17] And the king of the day.

[00:30:19] Right.

[00:30:19] And the king of the day, but the people, they never stopped worshiping these other gods.

[00:30:25] Right.

[00:30:26] You know, it was always a prevalent, you know, thing in their life.

[00:30:29] Yeah.

[00:30:30] Yeah.

[00:30:30] I just, I don't.

[00:30:31] It bears repeating because they keep trying to tell us that, oh, they thought that they

[00:30:36] could get away with it.

[00:30:37] And it's like, no, they just wanted it to, you know, not rain or do rain on the right

[00:30:43] day.

[00:30:44] And so they try to pick whichever God worked best.

[00:30:46] And we're hearing this from the words of the prophets that were the ones that believed

[00:30:50] that this one God was the one God.

[00:30:51] Right.

[00:30:52] Right.

[00:30:52] But that doesn't account for the ideas of the rest of their society.

[00:30:55] Right.

[00:30:56] At all.

[00:30:57] Which clearly, like, they never took because you keep, you, you prophety guys that wrote

[00:31:03] this down, you keep talking about how these people, am I right?

[00:31:07] And it's like, yeah, these people, am I right?

[00:31:10] That never, ever believed you ever.

[00:31:12] I'm not going to say it never took because obviously we have Judaism and we have Christianity.

[00:31:17] Sure.

[00:31:17] Right.

[00:31:17] So I think it did start becoming more and more prevalent.

[00:31:21] But I, you know, this is an older book.

[00:31:22] We can tell by the way it's written, what they're writing about, who they're talking to

[00:31:26] because they're talking to the other tribes of Israel still.

[00:31:28] Right.

[00:31:29] So back in those days, for sure, there was not a consensus as to which gods were the correct

[00:31:35] gods to worship based on what we have read.

[00:31:37] There, there was a lot of gods from in, in every book of the Bible that we've read,

[00:31:41] there's been multiple gods that these people are bouncing between because they don't know

[00:31:46] which one is the correct God.

[00:31:48] Right.

[00:31:49] And they don't know which human being to believe is telling them this is the correct

[00:31:54] God.

[00:31:54] Yeah.

[00:31:54] Right.

[00:31:55] Because there's so many different people pitching different gods that it's hard to tell their,

[00:31:59] their fucking temples had worship centers for multiple gods.

[00:32:03] Right.

[00:32:03] Right.

[00:32:03] Like it wasn't something that the general populace was able to discern right from right from right

[00:32:10] from right from wrong.

[00:32:11] And I think it's unfair to say you should know better because they don't know better.

[00:32:16] Why should they know better?

[00:32:17] Right.

[00:32:17] Yeah.

[00:32:18] You're saying, you're saying they should know better because you think you know better.

[00:32:22] Right.

[00:32:22] That's the only reasoning you have.

[00:32:24] Mm hmm.

[00:32:25] And it just, it makes me angry because it's, it's a lot of the same reasons that you get

[00:32:28] from a Christian apologist today.

[00:32:30] Like you should know God because I know God.

[00:32:32] I'm like, well, fuck off.

[00:32:33] Right.

[00:32:33] I don't, that doesn't mean shit to me, man.

[00:32:35] Like, I don't even like you.

[00:32:37] Why?

[00:32:37] Why am I going to believe you?

[00:32:39] I don't even, you're stupid.

[00:32:42] Honestly, God should get a better messenger.

[00:32:45] Like, seriously.

[00:32:46] For sure.

[00:32:47] If God wants me to believe, God will get down here and make me believe.

[00:32:50] Okay.

[00:32:50] That's yeah.

[00:32:51] Why doesn't God come down and tell me his fucking self?

[00:32:54] Yep.

[00:32:54] That that's my, like, if he is that powerful.

[00:32:58] Yeah.

[00:32:58] Just do it, man.

[00:32:59] And, and that's not a challenge.

[00:33:00] That's just a, you're not explaining it good enough.

[00:33:04] Right.

[00:33:04] Because I don't like you and you're dumb.

[00:33:06] Yeah.

[00:33:06] So sorry.

[00:33:07] Yeah.

[00:33:07] And you didn't, you didn't like put a mark on this guy that's like, lets me know that

[00:33:11] you were sending the message directly to him.

[00:33:13] Right.

[00:33:14] So I, I don't know what you're supposed to, I don't know why I'm supposed to believe

[00:33:17] him.

[00:33:18] Right.

[00:33:18] Like just as human.

[00:33:20] Yeah.

[00:33:20] You know, as far as I'm concerned, every human sharts and this guy's a charter.

[00:33:25] Yeah.

[00:33:25] You know, definitely.

[00:33:26] Sorry.

[00:33:26] I can't help you.

[00:33:28] Like send me somebody who ain't a charter, I guess.

[00:33:31] Make a donkey talk to me.

[00:33:33] Right.

[00:33:33] Yeah.

[00:33:34] I mean, if a donkey talked, I might listen to the donkey.

[00:33:36] Probably not, but I'm more so than just a random human.

[00:33:40] Right.

[00:33:40] No, I would still be like, the fuck do you know donkey?

[00:33:45] But I would be impressed that he spoke.

[00:33:47] I just wouldn't necessarily believe a thing he said.

[00:33:50] Okay.

[00:33:51] Right.

[00:33:51] I would be more inclined to believe the donkey.

[00:33:54] If a donkey is speaking and, and chose to speak about a God, I would be like, no,

[00:33:59] that's, that's a pretty, pretty, uh, that's pretty compelling.

[00:34:02] That's a pretty compelling sign right there.

[00:34:03] You know, I'm just, I'm not, I'm interested as far as signs go.

[00:34:07] I'm interested.

[00:34:08] Talking ass.

[00:34:09] That's a good one.

[00:34:09] I'm not going to say it's a sign.

[00:34:11] I'm saying I'm interested.

[00:34:12] Go on.

[00:34:12] Yeah.

[00:34:13] No.

[00:34:13] Why isn't the prophet a talking ass?

[00:34:15] That would make a whole lot more sense.

[00:34:16] I totally agree with you.

[00:34:18] They are talking asses, but you know, that's a whole other story.

[00:34:20] Yeah, exactly.

[00:34:23] Many Israelites thought that because they were God's people, we just read this, they could

[00:34:26] do as they like without fear of punishment.

[00:34:28] But on the contrary, says Amos, God's choice of them to be his people is all the more reason

[00:34:34] why he will punish them if they are disobedient.

[00:34:37] Of course.

[00:34:37] Cause he loves to punish his own people.

[00:34:39] Well, yeah, he's already said.

[00:34:40] Yeah, no, I know.

[00:34:41] I know.

[00:34:41] He's not going to be his best.

[00:34:42] Right.

[00:34:42] Because it means more that you should, you should know better according to God.

[00:34:48] Yeah.

[00:34:48] Yeah.

[00:34:49] And also because never not be afraid.

[00:34:51] Right.

[00:34:52] Of course.

[00:34:52] All right.

[00:34:53] Verse two reads, you only have I chosen of all the families of the earth.

[00:34:58] Therefore, I will punish you for all your fucking sins.

[00:35:01] Yeah.

[00:35:02] This is where we were like, please don't choose us.

[00:35:04] Right?

[00:35:04] Okay.

[00:35:05] I have to read something now.

[00:35:07] So I don't know if you've heard this.

[00:35:10] Okay.

[00:35:10] This happened before the election.

[00:35:13] Um, at a rally for Donald Trump last week in Duluth, Georgia, disgraced former Fox news

[00:35:20] host, Tucker Carlson had some really fucking creepy things to say about punishment that

[00:35:25] I thought fit right here.

[00:35:27] Okay.

[00:35:27] Cause we're talking about punish you for your sins.

[00:35:29] Sure.

[00:35:30] So, okay.

[00:35:31] Well the fact that you're not like, Oh yeah, I know what you're talking about means that

[00:35:35] you haven't heard this.

[00:35:36] You're going to, you're going to love it.

[00:35:37] Am I?

[00:35:38] Yeah.

[00:35:38] I'm going to love it.

[00:35:39] Huh?

[00:35:39] Yeah.

[00:35:40] I, you, you can tell by my tone.

[00:35:42] I don't like that fucker.

[00:35:44] No.

[00:35:44] Okay.

[00:35:45] All right.

[00:35:45] So I'm, I'm being Tucker now.

[00:35:48] I'm, I'm quoting what you said.

[00:35:50] Okay.

[00:35:51] All right.

[00:35:51] Verbatim.

[00:35:52] Yeah.

[00:35:52] This is not me summarizing.

[00:35:53] I got it.

[00:35:54] Okay.

[00:35:54] Yeah.

[00:35:54] If you allow a baby to smear poop on the walls or a 14 year old to light a joint at the

[00:36:01] breakfast table, or if you allow your hormone addled 15 year old daughter to slam the door

[00:36:07] of her bedroom and give you the finger, you're going to get more of it.

[00:36:11] There has to be a point at which dad comes home.

[00:36:15] Dad comes home and he's pissed.

[00:36:17] He's not vengeful.

[00:36:18] He loves his children.

[00:36:21] Disobedient as they may be.

[00:36:22] He loves them because they're his children.

[00:36:25] They live in his house, but he's very disappointed in their behavior and he's going to let them

[00:36:31] know.

[00:36:32] And when dad gets home, you know what he says?

[00:36:35] What does he say?

[00:36:36] You've been a bad girl.

[00:36:38] You've been a bad little girl.

[00:36:41] Wait, what?

[00:36:42] And now you're getting a vigorous spanking right now.

[00:36:45] And no, it's not going to hurt me more than it hurts you.

[00:36:49] This is Tucker Carlson saying this to a crowd.

[00:36:52] Okay.

[00:36:53] No, it's not.

[00:36:54] I'm not going to lie.

[00:36:56] It's going to hurt you a lot more than it hurts me.

[00:37:00] And you earned this.

[00:37:01] You're getting a vigorous spanking because you've been a bad girl.

[00:37:05] And it has to be this way.

[00:37:08] The crowd went wild.

[00:37:10] Then Donald Trump came to the stage and his followers greeted him with the rapturous cries

[00:37:15] of daddy's home.

[00:37:16] Oh my God.

[00:37:17] Because we are living in the worst, most disgusting timeline.

[00:37:21] And then over half of America voted for him to be their president.

[00:37:25] Fuck.

[00:37:25] That's literally what my dad said.

[00:37:27] Yeah, I got it.

[00:37:28] I got it.

[00:37:29] Yeah.

[00:37:29] So.

[00:37:30] I thought that was an appropriate place to stick that.

[00:37:33] I.

[00:37:33] Uh, sure.

[00:37:35] Yeah.

[00:37:35] I don't really know what to say about that because there's so many things wrong with that

[00:37:41] statement that I don't even hardly know where to begin, but like creepy as fuck.

[00:37:45] Highly recommend all of you look it up because I'm not making it up.

[00:37:48] I didn't paraphrase.

[00:37:50] Right.

[00:37:51] It's really fucking creepy.

[00:37:53] He's obviously giving very sexual innuendo tones.

[00:37:59] Right.

[00:37:59] Not even trying to hide it.

[00:38:01] Well, I take it.

[00:38:02] The crowd loved it.

[00:38:03] And I take.

[00:38:04] Well, yeah, they're all.

[00:38:05] Freaks.

[00:38:06] Yeah.

[00:38:06] Fucking.

[00:38:07] But I take issue even with something as simple as like, this is my house.

[00:38:11] Like what?

[00:38:12] Right.

[00:38:12] Fuck you.

[00:38:13] It's our house.

[00:38:14] No, it's his house.

[00:38:15] No, I'm just saying like that's.

[00:38:18] And he's that alone is a wrong idea.

[00:38:21] Yeah.

[00:38:21] Right.

[00:38:21] Yeah.

[00:38:22] You don't own your family as a father figure or as any parental figure.

[00:38:26] But if you are a Christian, apparently you do.

[00:38:30] And if you are a Christian, this is your country.

[00:38:34] This is why we're doing this fucking podcast.

[00:38:36] Exactly.

[00:38:37] Jesus Christ.

[00:38:38] That is some fucked up bullshit religious rhetoric coming from Tucker.

[00:38:43] Mother fucking Carlson.

[00:38:45] Apparently this is just mainstream ideas.

[00:38:47] Yeah.

[00:38:47] In the right.

[00:38:49] Yeah.

[00:38:49] In the, in the, in the Republican.

[00:38:51] Right.

[00:38:51] Like.

[00:38:53] Wow.

[00:38:53] Yeah.

[00:38:54] What the fuck?

[00:38:55] So I was telling husband tonight, actually.

[00:38:58] Um, I keep seeing this, these things on Facebook that are like, but we still have to be

[00:39:02] nice.

[00:39:03] And I'm like, absolutely fucking not.

[00:39:05] Absolutely fucking not.

[00:39:06] I was off of Facebook for about two years because my mental health would make me go down

[00:39:11] rabbit holes.

[00:39:12] And I just couldn't, I couldn't deal.

[00:39:15] Yeah.

[00:39:15] But don't, after this shit, after the shit that is coming down the pipe, tell me, but

[00:39:22] we still have to be fucking not.

[00:39:23] Hug a Nazi.

[00:39:25] Try to find common ground with the people that are trying to kill you and your loved ones.

[00:39:30] And let's all still find a way to be nice.

[00:39:33] Don't speak out loud because that makes you the problem.

[00:39:36] When you make waves, you're the problem, not the person that's being the racist or the

[00:39:42] bully.

[00:39:43] You're the problem.

[00:39:44] Cause you spoke against it.

[00:39:46] Right.

[00:39:47] I'm like, no, absolutely.

[00:39:49] Not right.

[00:39:50] Tucker fucking Carlson delivered that speech.

[00:39:53] The people cheered and went and voted for goddamn Trump.

[00:39:58] Fuck off.

[00:39:59] The gloves are off.

[00:40:01] I will not be nice.

[00:40:02] I'm not hugging no goddamn Nazis.

[00:40:04] And I don't give a shit if we all like the same flavor ice cream.

[00:40:08] Okay.

[00:40:09] Yeah.

[00:40:10] I'm going to caveat that.

[00:40:11] I think that there is some important dialogue that needs to happen over the next four years

[00:40:15] with people that are reachable.

[00:40:17] Sure.

[00:40:17] But I'm not the person to deliver that.

[00:40:20] I don't have that.

[00:40:22] I'm not built for that.

[00:40:23] As I have said multiple times, I'm just doing my part to counterbalance.

[00:40:28] I'm also not advocating violence.

[00:40:30] I'm just not going to get on there and be like, yes, let us all sing Kumbaya and hug

[00:40:35] one another.

[00:40:36] If we just hug it out, the Nazis will not Nazi.

[00:40:39] Right.

[00:40:40] I don't, I don't believe that obviously.

[00:40:42] Right.

[00:40:43] No, I know.

[00:40:44] But that's, that's what, that's what the people, they don't want to hear the mean

[00:40:47] things.

[00:40:48] Stop being mad.

[00:40:49] Oh, there's so much mad.

[00:40:50] I just don't want to hear the mad.

[00:40:52] What is everybody post things that are mad?

[00:40:54] Right.

[00:40:55] No mad is happening in my little white life.

[00:40:57] No.

[00:40:58] Yeah, definitely.

[00:40:59] That is the sentiment amongst a lot of people.

[00:41:02] So, and, and yeah, I don't know.

[00:41:07] I'm sorry, but if you, if you are not mad, you are privileged.

[00:41:11] The end.

[00:41:11] Yeah.

[00:41:11] That's all there is to it.

[00:41:12] If you're not mad, you're a white guy and you're privileged and fuck off.

[00:41:16] Honestly.

[00:41:17] Generally speaking.

[00:41:18] Of course, generally speaking, but that's all I speak is in generalities.

[00:41:22] I know.

[00:41:22] Anyways, to carry on.

[00:41:24] Yeah.

[00:41:24] Yeah.

[00:41:25] To prevent the people from thinking that he is making idle threats.

[00:41:28] Ha ha ha ha.

[00:41:30] Amos points out that he has a good reason for speaking with such boldness.

[00:41:34] Oh, okay.

[00:41:34] He gives a list of illustrations to show that there is a reason for everything.

[00:41:38] So he's like, remember when he was like, you know, what, don't you too, if you're walking

[00:41:44] the same way, arm in arm, don't you agree and shit like that?

[00:41:47] Right.

[00:41:47] Right.

[00:41:47] Okay.

[00:41:48] So that's, that's a whole list that he gives.

[00:41:50] And that's the only one I can remember.

[00:41:52] Cause fuck that guy.

[00:41:53] Yeah.

[00:41:54] Verse eight reads the lion has roared.

[00:41:57] Who will not fear?

[00:41:58] The sovereign Lord has spoken, but who can prophecy?

[00:42:01] So Amos is basically saying, don't fucking blame me.

[00:42:04] I'm just a messenger.

[00:42:05] Right.

[00:42:05] That's what he's saying there.

[00:42:07] Yeah.

[00:42:07] Then he tries to shame the people of Israel, whose capital is a reminder of Samaria by

[00:42:13] inviting their enemies represented here by Philistia and Egypt to come and see how bad

[00:42:19] the nation is.

[00:42:20] He's like, Hey guys, why don't you come over here and look at how much we suck with all

[00:42:24] its oppression, lawlessness and violence and greed.

[00:42:27] I just want to say back to the, you were, you were saying how he was saying that don't,

[00:42:32] don't shoot the messenger because I'm just relaying the message.

[00:42:34] I think there's a lot of nefarious things and messages that get put out into the world

[00:42:42] under the guise of, it's just God's message.

[00:42:45] It's just God.

[00:42:46] I'm not, I'm not, you know, I'm not saying that I think this is the best method, but God

[00:42:51] says it is.

[00:42:52] So we've got to listen to God.

[00:42:53] Right.

[00:42:54] But like, it relieves the, the burden of like, you don't have to answer for what you're saying

[00:43:00] is, is that thing.

[00:43:03] If God said it, you're just relaying a message for God.

[00:43:07] Exactly.

[00:43:07] Right.

[00:43:07] You're not actually yourself promoting that idea.

[00:43:10] Right.

[00:43:11] Because if you were, you might sound like a fucking misogynistic asshole or, you know,

[00:43:15] whatever racist asshole, whatever the fuck you would be with by saying what you're saying.

[00:43:18] Yeah.

[00:43:18] But when you say God said it, it allows people to be like, well, God said it.

[00:43:22] Yeah.

[00:43:22] It wasn't my pastor.

[00:43:23] It wasn't my priest.

[00:43:24] It wasn't whatever.

[00:43:25] He's just quoting the Bible.

[00:43:26] Yeah.

[00:43:26] Yeah.

[00:43:27] I hate it.

[00:43:28] It just, you, you, that's why Christianity, that's why religion is, is nefarious.

[00:43:35] Right.

[00:43:35] Because it allows people to scapegoat.

[00:43:38] Well, scapegoat.

[00:43:39] And it allows them to pitch messages that they, that are too radical in the, in the wrong

[00:43:46] way for them to actually promote themselves.

[00:43:49] Yeah.

[00:43:49] They, they, they push off that burden onto a God and then say that this is what this God

[00:43:54] is saying.

[00:43:55] And that's how they push these agendas of, of, you know, bad, of, of wrong.

[00:44:00] Like a lot of the, a lot of the, uh, racist, um, Christians are like, what if we reinstated

[00:44:08] slavery?

[00:44:09] What?

[00:44:10] I'm just saying this isn't in the Bible.

[00:44:12] What?

[00:44:12] God wants it.

[00:44:13] What?

[00:44:14] I'm not racist.

[00:44:15] No, and that's, that's exactly what I'm saying.

[00:44:18] Like if we allow people to use God for whatever purposes they want, they will use God for

[00:44:25] whatever purposes they want.

[00:44:26] Well, yeah.

[00:44:27] Of course.

[00:44:27] And that's, that's why this is, it's an important thing at the very least, whether you're still

[00:44:33] a Christian by the time you're done listening to this podcast or not, it's important to

[00:44:38] point out the wrong and the fallacies and the, the contradictions in this Bible and, and say

[00:44:45] them with, you know, emphasize those, those wrong, those wrong things.

[00:44:51] Yeah.

[00:44:51] Because if we don't, someone is going to use them against us.

[00:44:54] Mm-hmm.

[00:44:55] Someone is going to use them for evil.

[00:44:57] Someone is going to use them to influence people in a way that there may be no coming

[00:45:01] back from for hundreds, thousands of years.

[00:45:04] Right.

[00:45:04] Right.

[00:45:05] These are important things to understand and, and, and grasp as humans, that this is not

[00:45:13] a God saying these things.

[00:45:14] Right.

[00:45:14] Whether you believe in God or not, you cannot, if you are a decent human being, believe that

[00:45:21] slavery is okay because the Bible said so.

[00:45:23] Right.

[00:45:23] Right.

[00:45:23] Like that is not okay.

[00:45:25] Yeah.

[00:45:25] And they're, they're just, there's so many things that are, that could be pitched as

[00:45:29] okay through the Bible's messaging that are not okay.

[00:45:34] And it just has to be said, it has to be understood.

[00:45:37] You have to at least stop there.

[00:45:40] Right.

[00:45:40] Right.

[00:45:41] Like we're, we're going into a period in our political history here that things might

[00:45:45] get really shitty.

[00:45:47] Mm-hmm.

[00:45:47] We have to stop this somewhere.

[00:45:49] Right.

[00:45:50] Right.

[00:45:50] Somewhere.

[00:45:51] Mm-hmm.

[00:45:51] And, and part of that is understanding where these messages are coming from.

[00:45:55] Yeah.

[00:45:56] They're coming from your fucking dumb book that you haven't fucking read.

[00:46:00] They're coming from the dumb book, but they're really coming from people who want

[00:46:03] to make these things happen and using this book.

[00:46:06] Dumb book.

[00:46:06] To make them happen.

[00:46:08] Sure.

[00:46:08] Sure.

[00:46:08] That's, it has not, you could make this book say whatever the fuck you want it to say.

[00:46:13] But I noticed that people only use it to push bad plans.

[00:46:16] Yeah.

[00:46:18] I'm not, if we're talking about the alt-right and, you know, right wing Christians and all

[00:46:21] that kind of stuff, then yes, you're, in my opinion, you are correct.

[00:46:25] There are allies that are Christian.

[00:46:27] So I'm not going to say that everybody uses the book for bad.

[00:46:30] Some people believe in hope and some people believe in the good that, that Christ does.

[00:46:37] Well, those messages.

[00:46:37] All these, who we, we wonderful things.

[00:46:39] Those messages don't seem to gain much traction though.

[00:46:42] It seems that way.

[00:46:44] It seems that way.

[00:46:44] And, and I will say that the, the ugly side of Christianity is much more vocal.

[00:46:51] Well, considering that Trump didn't just win the electoral college, but actually won the

[00:46:55] God damn popular vote.

[00:46:57] No, I know.

[00:46:57] I'm going to say majority of Americans at least seem to be really taken with the idea

[00:47:05] of what the Bible is pushing.

[00:47:09] Sure.

[00:47:09] So.

[00:47:09] No, I, I hear you.

[00:47:11] I do.

[00:47:11] Sorry.

[00:47:12] I might be a little bit still pissed and cynical and angry.

[00:47:15] Let's move on to verse 12.

[00:47:17] Let's do that.

[00:47:18] Okay.

[00:47:18] This is what the Lord says as a shepherd rescues from the lion's mouth, only two leg bones

[00:47:25] or a piece of an ear.

[00:47:26] Yeah.

[00:47:27] So will the Israelites living in Samaria be rescued with only the head of a bed and a

[00:47:32] piece of fabric from a couch and a recliner.

[00:47:34] Remember we were like, what random fucking body parts.

[00:47:38] Yeah.

[00:47:38] Right.

[00:47:38] Yeah.

[00:47:39] So this verse is Amos's first reference to the idea of a remnant.

[00:47:44] Okay.

[00:47:45] Okay.

[00:47:45] And Exodus, the book of Exodus chapter 22 verses 10 through 13 say that if an animal dies

[00:47:54] in the care of another man, such as a shepherd, the shepherd must make restitution to the owner

[00:48:00] of the animal unless he could bring remains that proved the animal was attacked by a predator.

[00:48:07] Oh, okay.

[00:48:08] That's what this is hearkening back to.

[00:48:10] Oh, okay.

[00:48:11] So when Amos makes this comparison, he is actually making the sarcastic point that when invasion

[00:48:17] strikes, Israel's devastation will be so complete that all that will be rescued is proof of death

[00:48:24] in the form of scraps of furniture.

[00:48:26] Got it.

[00:48:27] Okay.

[00:48:55] Okay.

[00:49:03] Okay.

[00:49:15] Okay.

[00:49:19] Okay.

[00:49:21] Okay.

[00:49:22] Okay.

[00:49:22] Okay.

[00:49:23] Okay.

[00:49:23] All right.

[00:49:24] So this is, this wasn't a comment about rich versus poor.

[00:49:27] It was.

[00:49:27] Oh, was it?

[00:49:28] Okay.

[00:49:29] All right.

[00:49:29] The ivory houses remarkable for their magnificence and their ornaments were not built of ivory,

[00:49:36] but had walls in which ivory vessels, ornaments, and inlaying abounded.

[00:49:41] Sure.

[00:49:42] So yeah, but they were, they were talking about the lofty places, the rich houses, the mansions,

[00:49:49] all that shit.

[00:49:50] Right.

[00:49:51] Right.

[00:49:51] I'm judging it all.

[00:49:52] Right.

[00:49:53] But that's what I'm saying.

[00:49:53] Like everyone's going to be treated equal, poor, rich, whatever.

[00:49:56] Yeah.

[00:49:56] He's saying, I'm not only just going to destroy the poor ones.

[00:49:59] I'm going to get the rich ones too.

[00:50:00] The reason I'm saying that is because I think when we read it, I thought that maybe he was

[00:50:04] just focusing on the rich.

[00:50:06] Got it.

[00:50:07] Okay.

[00:50:07] So I think I misinterpreted that at the time.

[00:50:09] Okay.

[00:50:10] Got it.

[00:50:10] Got it.

[00:50:11] Yeah.

[00:50:11] Okay.

[00:50:14] So let's move on to chapter four.

[00:50:16] Sure.

[00:50:16] Okay.

[00:50:16] Okay.

[00:50:17] This chapter contains the denunciation of Israel's nobles as Israel is reproved for oppression,

[00:50:24] for idolatry, and for their incorrigibleness.

[00:50:28] Okay.

[00:50:28] You're incorrigible.

[00:50:29] Yeah.

[00:50:30] Okay.

[00:50:30] So verse one reads, hear this word, you cows of Bashan on Mount Samaria, you women who oppress

[00:50:38] the poor and crush the needy and say to your husbands, bring us some margaritas.

[00:50:44] Yeah.

[00:50:45] Okay.

[00:50:45] Bring us some drinks is what I changed drinks to margaritas because that's what I would be

[00:50:50] shouting.

[00:50:51] Sure.

[00:50:51] As a matter of fact, when we have Mexican food, that is what I shout every time.

[00:50:56] 100%.

[00:50:57] When we go out for Mexican food, I always say I'm having a margarita.

[00:51:00] Right.

[00:51:01] Because you, you do.

[00:51:02] Because that, that tracks.

[00:51:04] Yeah.

[00:51:04] That's what you have to do.

[00:51:05] You gotta.

[00:51:05] And I love margaritas.

[00:51:07] Oh my God.

[00:51:09] All right.

[00:51:09] So the area of Bashan in the Northern part of Israel, the modern day Golan Heights.

[00:51:15] Okay.

[00:51:15] Was known for producing fat and healthy livestock, flocks and herds.

[00:51:20] It was also famous for the fertility of its soil.

[00:51:23] So the sarcastic epithet cows of Bashan seems to refer both to the luxury that the wealthy

[00:51:32] women enjoyed and to a certain voluptuousness and sensuality, which their extravagant lifestyle

[00:51:40] afforded them.

[00:51:41] Got it.

[00:51:41] Okay.

[00:51:42] Okay.

[00:51:42] The prophet presents the idea that the iniquitous, opulent, idle, lazy drones, whether men or women,

[00:51:50] are just like fatted bullocks, which were shortly to be led out to the slaughter.

[00:51:56] So not only are they lazy fat cows, all of them, but they're lazy fat cows that are also

[00:52:04] about to be killed for food.

[00:52:07] Got it.

[00:52:07] Okay.

[00:52:08] Yeah.

[00:52:08] It's like a double whammy.

[00:52:10] Sure.

[00:52:10] So the wealthy women here who have urged their husbands on to violence and fraud and to exploit

[00:52:16] the poor, to increase their own extravagance are likened to this lot of fat cows.

[00:52:23] Got it.

[00:52:23] When the enemy conquers Samaria, these women will be taken captive and let out like cows

[00:52:29] through the gaps in the broken city wall.

[00:52:31] Again, I made a comment at the time, but I think it's really convenient that they focus

[00:52:37] on the women's issues here as opposed to the men, because the men are also living large.

[00:52:44] The men are also enjoying their wealth, but it never fails in the Bible that they tend

[00:52:49] to call out the problems with the women as opposed to the men.

[00:52:53] Well, not a hundred percent of the time, but the majority of the time.

[00:52:56] That's because when men are bad, they were usually led there by the women.

[00:52:59] That's the way they pitch it.

[00:53:00] But yeah, yes.

[00:53:01] Women are temptresses.

[00:53:03] It's honey-lipped vixens.

[00:53:05] Right.

[00:53:05] Yeah.

[00:53:05] That harkens back to early episodes in case you were wondering.

[00:53:08] Earlier episodes.

[00:53:09] Yeah.

[00:53:09] Yeah.

[00:53:10] I guess not early, early.

[00:53:11] It was recent-ish.

[00:53:13] The last five books at least.

[00:53:15] 10 books.

[00:53:16] Five books.

[00:53:17] 10 books.

[00:53:17] Whatever.

[00:53:19] Not the beginning.

[00:53:20] Not the beginning.

[00:53:21] I'll give you that.

[00:53:22] Yeah.

[00:53:23] All right.

[00:53:23] So verse two reads, the sovereign Lord has sworn by his holiness.

[00:53:28] The time will surely come when you will be taken away with hooks, the last of you with fish hooks.

[00:53:35] Remember we had a question about what the fuck does that mean?

[00:53:37] Yeah.

[00:53:37] Okay.

[00:53:38] So when the Assyrians massacred and exiled a conquered community, they led the captives away on journeys of hundreds of miles with the captives naked and attached together with the system of strings and fish hooks pierced through their lower lip.

[00:53:55] Oh, that's horrible.

[00:53:57] So this is saying that God will make sure that they were led in this humiliating manner through the broken walls of their conquered cities.

[00:54:06] Ugh.

[00:54:07] Yeah.

[00:54:07] Ugh.

[00:54:08] Yeah.

[00:54:08] That's awful.

[00:54:09] Right?

[00:54:09] Like that mental image will live rent free in my head forever now.

[00:54:13] Thanks Bible.

[00:54:14] I bet fish hooks weren't anything like they are today.

[00:54:15] Not that it would be fun today, but you know.

[00:54:17] I bet they were a lot uglier back then.

[00:54:19] And rusty as fuck.

[00:54:21] Right?

[00:54:21] Yeah.

[00:54:22] Yeah.

[00:54:23] Like, God, people are so nasty.

[00:54:25] It's not a happy thought.

[00:54:26] Like, okay, so you're walking around in the apocalypse.

[00:54:29] Does it even occur to you when you pick up a sharp object?

[00:54:33] Hey, I think I'll pierce this through somebody's fucking lip.

[00:54:36] Well, apparently it did.

[00:54:38] But that's what I'm saying.

[00:54:39] Like, I cannot imagine.

[00:54:42] That is just so grotesque.

[00:54:45] Yeah.

[00:54:45] No, I agree.

[00:54:46] I don't understand it.

[00:54:47] I'm like, ew, I don't want that in my lip.

[00:54:49] I couldn't imagine putting it in somebody else's lip.

[00:54:52] Right.

[00:54:52] Ew.

[00:54:53] Cool.

[00:54:54] Yeah.

[00:54:54] All right.

[00:54:55] Verse three reads, you will each go straight out through breaches in the wall and you will

[00:55:00] be cast out toward Harmon, declares the Lord.

[00:55:04] So continuing with the fish hook metaphor.

[00:55:06] Yeah.

[00:55:07] Metaphor.

[00:55:08] Was it a metaphor?

[00:55:09] I don't think so.

[00:55:10] Doesn't sound like it.

[00:55:11] Hmm.

[00:55:11] You will be caught by the hooks or by the nets.

[00:55:14] And though you may make breaches in the nets by your flouncing when caught, you'll be taken

[00:55:20] out at these very breaches and cast not back into the palace, but into a reservoir to be

[00:55:27] kept a while and afterwards be taken out to be destroyed.

[00:55:32] So it was also talking about how this whole fishing village thing.

[00:55:38] Yeah.

[00:55:38] You know what I mean?

[00:55:38] So it was, I guess, kind of a metaphor, like a double entendre kind of thing.

[00:55:43] Sure.

[00:55:43] So Samaria here itself is the net.

[00:55:46] Your adversaries shall besiege it and make breaches in its walls.

[00:55:52] At those breaches, you will endeavor to make your escape, but you'll be caught and led into captivity where most of you will be destroyed.

[00:55:59] Got it.

[00:56:00] Okay.

[00:56:01] Okay.

[00:56:01] So just, uh, I did a quick bit of research because I know we had a question about Harmon

[00:56:07] and I was curious about the, like if that related to like a fishing village, cause they

[00:56:12] were talking about hooks and everything.

[00:56:13] Yeah.

[00:56:14] Um, which obviously we've already covered why there was fishing hooks.

[00:56:16] So that wasn't it.

[00:56:18] No, that's okay.

[00:56:19] But, um, the, for what I came up with here is that it is possibly, there's a couple of

[00:56:25] different things or a few different things.

[00:56:27] It's possibly symbolic.

[00:56:28] Um, and it might be symbolic of a far off land where in a, or a land of destruction.

[00:56:32] Okay.

[00:56:33] Um, and also could be just corrupted text.

[00:56:35] So like, it could be somebody just misinterpreted the name, but it's not like no one can relate

[00:56:41] this to an actual place apparently, but it could also be an actual place that just has

[00:56:45] been lost to time.

[00:56:46] Got it.

[00:56:47] So those just throwing that out there because I did have an act, a question about that

[00:56:52] when we were going through.

[00:56:53] So that's all.

[00:56:54] Yeah.

[00:56:54] Well, in words of cutting irony, Amos calls the people to the places of worship, encouraging

[00:57:00] them to continue their zealous, but unspiritual religious exercises.

[00:57:05] You can remember he was being like so sarcastic, like, go ahead, bring them, you know, do your

[00:57:11] thing, do it three times.

[00:57:13] I don't care.

[00:57:13] Yeah.

[00:57:14] Cool.

[00:57:14] Cool.

[00:57:14] Go.

[00:57:15] So the more that they do so, the more they will increase their sin.

[00:57:20] They are corrupt, immoral, ungodly, greedy, lawless, and violent.

[00:57:24] Yet they love to make a show of their religious zeal.

[00:57:27] Huh?

[00:57:27] Sounds familiar.

[00:57:28] Yeah.

[00:57:29] Right.

[00:57:29] Amos mocks them by urging them to offer their sacrifices daily.

[00:57:35] Normally private citizens did this yearly to offer their tithes every three days instead

[00:57:40] of every three years to present their sacrifices with leaven, which was of course forbidden.

[00:57:46] Right.

[00:57:46] And to advertise their free will offerings instead of offering them privately.

[00:57:51] I see.

[00:57:52] So that was all that sarcastic.

[00:57:54] Yeah.

[00:57:54] Yeah.

[00:57:55] Go ahead.

[00:57:56] Yeah.

[00:57:56] Why don't you just, you know, go all out fuckers.

[00:57:59] All right.

[00:58:00] So moving on to chapter five.

[00:58:03] Hey.

[00:58:03] Yeah.

[00:58:03] This was about a call to repentance.

[00:58:06] This chapter contains a lamentation for Israel in the style of a funeral song.

[00:58:12] Yeah.

[00:58:13] Yeah.

[00:58:16] And exhortation to repentance and God's rejection of their hypocritical service.

[00:58:22] Got it.

[00:58:22] Because they're, you know, lip service.

[00:58:24] They're faking.

[00:58:25] Sure.

[00:58:26] They're only saying the words, not the actions.

[00:58:28] Yeah.

[00:58:28] Right.

[00:58:28] So verse two reads, fallen is virgin Israel, never to rise again, deserted in her own land,

[00:58:36] with no one to lift her up.

[00:58:38] Remember we had questions like virgin, the fuck?

[00:58:41] Right.

[00:58:41] Yeah.

[00:58:42] So Amos saw Israel as a tragic young woman, fallen and forsaken with no one coming to

[00:58:49] her aid, carried off by death before she has experienced married life.

[00:58:54] In her rebellion against God, Israel was as helpless as a young woman among violent men.

[00:59:01] Hmm.

[00:59:02] Okay.

[00:59:02] Okay.

[00:59:03] So that's what that was about.

[00:59:04] Yeah.

[00:59:05] So then, um, what God wants is not an increase in religious ceremonies, but a turning in heart

[00:59:11] and life toward him.

[00:59:13] Right.

[00:59:14] He does not want processions to religious holy places, which in any case are about to be

[00:59:19] destroyed.

[00:59:20] Sure.

[00:59:20] But the administration of civil justice that is fair to all.

[00:59:25] That sounds pretty.

[00:59:26] It's funny.

[00:59:27] So the, the early Bible, the, the, the, you know, first five books, right?

[00:59:32] Mm hmm.

[00:59:32] Uh, the, the, the chapters.

[00:59:34] Oh yeah.

[00:59:35] Um, they focused a lot on law and ceremony.

[00:59:39] That's why it's called the law.

[00:59:40] Yeah.

[00:59:40] Yeah.

[00:59:40] No, I get it.

[00:59:41] Right.

[00:59:42] So like back in, in those days we were, we were, we were, we were spelling out the law.

[00:59:46] We were, we were delivering the rules and, and how to, to, to do these things.

[00:59:52] Right.

[00:59:52] But ever since that time in the Bible, it's been about how you, how you feel about doing

[01:00:00] these things, how you, how you do them in your heart and you know, like how, how it makes

[01:00:05] more, you know, emotional sense to you as opposed to the actual, you know, rules of

[01:00:10] it.

[01:00:11] I just, I just find it interesting that like, here's the rules and then the rest of the

[01:00:15] Bible is, and here's how they didn't follow them.

[01:00:18] Exactly.

[01:00:19] Exactly.

[01:00:20] It's just that that's kind of how it's laid out.

[01:00:22] And I, I, I feel like, you know, with any set of rules, people are going to bend the

[01:00:28] rules and break the rules because why wouldn't you, if there's no real, you know, punishment

[01:00:35] for it.

[01:00:35] Right.

[01:00:36] Like other than public chastisement and you know, that, that would be the only thing that,

[01:00:41] that you maybe suffered would be if someone ridiculed you for doing something that they

[01:00:45] deemed wrong, which is still how it operates today.

[01:00:48] Right.

[01:00:48] So I don't know.

[01:00:49] I just, it's funny how it all breaks down.

[01:00:51] That's really interesting because that actually reminds me of another thing that I read today

[01:00:57] online, which was a, a woman took a picture of, uh, um, this was like right before the election,

[01:01:06] like a day or two before the election.

[01:01:07] Okay.

[01:01:07] This woman took a picture of a postal worker that was wearing a MAGA hat.

[01:01:11] And as soon as she whipped out her camera to take a picture of him, he whipped the hat

[01:01:16] off his head because you know, hatch act.

[01:01:19] Right.

[01:01:19] And so she even said, you know, hatch act much.

[01:01:21] And so, and the hatch act is where you can't, um, advertise.

[01:01:27] You're a government employee.

[01:01:28] Yeah.

[01:01:29] Yeah.

[01:01:29] Yeah.

[01:01:30] Like stop being grotesque and breaking rules just cause you have clearly gotten away with

[01:01:35] it as a white man all your life.

[01:01:37] Can you just not maybe?

[01:01:38] Sure.

[01:01:39] And so then, you know, she's like hatch act much.

[01:01:42] And then he's like, get a life lady.

[01:01:44] Cause you know, clearly she's the problem.

[01:01:47] Like, Oh my God, I can't believe you're being so pissy over such a small thing.

[01:01:51] And it's like, if it was so small, sir, why didn't you just keep your hat on loud and

[01:01:56] proud and not worry about it?

[01:01:58] Right.

[01:01:58] Was it small?

[01:01:59] Yeah.

[01:02:00] Was it small?

[01:02:00] I don't know.

[01:02:01] You're carrying fucking ballots that are being mailed in.

[01:02:03] Was it small?

[01:02:04] Right.

[01:02:04] You're representing the goddamn government.

[01:02:06] And we are hoping that you can at least we get that you're human.

[01:02:10] So you're not going to be fair.

[01:02:12] What we're hoping is that you can pretend to be fair, put on the show of being fair.

[01:02:17] And maybe some of you will even sometimes act fair.

[01:02:21] Sure.

[01:02:22] We know that you can't possibly be fair all the time.

[01:02:26] The hatch act means that we're, we agree that we're going to pretend to though.

[01:02:31] Sure.

[01:02:31] We're going to put on the show of being fair.

[01:02:33] Right.

[01:02:33] Right.

[01:02:34] But then when she posts this, like 99% of the comments were like, maybe you do need to

[01:02:40] get a life.

[01:02:41] Like, can you, of course they were.

[01:02:42] Yeah.

[01:02:43] And can you guess which side these were all on?

[01:02:45] Trump's.

[01:02:46] Yeah.

[01:02:46] Yeah.

[01:02:46] Except for some of the liberals that love to shoot people in the, in the foot.

[01:02:50] Oh God.

[01:02:50] They were like, well, I mean, to be fair.

[01:02:54] Right.

[01:02:55] And I'm like, can you fuck right?

[01:02:56] The fuck off.

[01:02:57] Like, okay.

[01:02:58] I love being a liberal.

[01:03:01] I cannot stand a goddamn liberal.

[01:03:03] Who's going to shoot another liberal in the foot over something like that, that actually

[01:03:09] fucking matters.

[01:03:10] Like fuck off.

[01:03:12] Okay.

[01:03:12] Sure.

[01:03:13] Fuck off.

[01:03:13] It matters.

[01:03:14] Okay.

[01:03:16] He doesn't need to get a life.

[01:03:17] That guy was wrong.

[01:03:19] Yeah.

[01:03:20] So fuck off.

[01:03:22] Maybe, maybe next week it won't be against the law anymore.

[01:03:25] Okay.

[01:03:26] Probably not.

[01:03:26] But right now today, it's still against the law to do that.

[01:03:31] And it fucking matters because you are supposed to pretend to be fair and you were not pretending

[01:03:37] to be fair.

[01:03:38] So fuck off.

[01:03:40] Right.

[01:03:40] Anyway, verse eight moving on.

[01:03:43] Yeah.

[01:03:44] Reads.

[01:03:44] He who made the Pleiades and Orion who turns midnight into dawn and darkens day into night

[01:03:50] who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out over the face of the land.

[01:03:55] The Lord is his name.

[01:03:56] Hmm.

[01:03:57] Yeah.

[01:03:57] Did you look up about the, the, the constellations?

[01:04:01] Yeah.

[01:04:02] I did.

[01:04:02] And apparently those folks named it all, all long time ago.

[01:04:09] They knew about that shit.

[01:04:10] Oh, okay.

[01:04:10] Okay.

[01:04:10] Yeah.

[01:04:11] So I'm going to read you a little bit of background about this.

[01:04:14] Okay.

[01:04:14] So the Pleiades is an open star cluster, also known as the seven sisters located in the

[01:04:19] Northwest of the constellation Taurus.

[01:04:22] The name Pleiades comes from ancient Greek.

[01:04:25] As I thought.

[01:04:26] Yeah.

[01:04:27] It probably derives from the route to sail because of the clusters importance in marking

[01:04:33] the sailing season in the Mediterranean sea.

[01:04:35] Okay.

[01:04:36] In classical Greek mythology, the name was used for seven divine sisters called the Pleiades.

[01:04:43] In time, the name was said to be derived from that of a mythical mother, Pleiony, effectively

[01:04:49] meaning daughters of Pleiony.

[01:04:50] And that, that, that constellation is still affectionately known as the seven sisters.

[01:04:54] So yeah.

[01:04:55] Yeah.

[01:04:55] Yeah.

[01:04:56] So, um, but those, that was known way back.

[01:05:00] Like the, the ancient Greeks were the ones who put this word, this wording, this belief

[01:05:06] system out there.

[01:05:07] So it's no surprise that it shows up in the Bible.

[01:05:10] Sure.

[01:05:11] The earliest known depiction of the Pleiades is likely a Northern German bronze age artifact

[01:05:17] known as the Nebraska sky disc dated to approximately 1600 BCE.

[01:05:24] Hmm.

[01:05:24] Okay.

[01:05:25] Cool.

[01:05:25] Yeah.

[01:05:26] The Babylonian star catalogs named the Pleiades mole capital M U L.

[01:05:33] Okay.

[01:05:33] Which means stars or literally star star.

[01:05:37] And they had, um, they had the list of stars along the ecliptic reflecting the fact that

[01:05:44] they were close to the point of the vernal equinox around the 23rd century BCE.

[01:05:50] Hmm.

[01:05:51] The ancient Egyptians may have used the names followers and a naid in the prognosis texts of

[01:05:58] the calendar of lucky and unlucky days.

[01:06:01] Okay.

[01:06:02] Apparently that's a document that exists or, um, whatever you call their papyrus things.

[01:06:09] Right.

[01:06:09] So some Greek astronomers consider them to be a distinct constellation and they are mentioned

[01:06:15] by Hesiod's works and days, Homer's Iliad and Odyssey and the Geopanica, Geoponica.

[01:06:24] Sorry.

[01:06:24] Okay.

[01:06:25] The Pleiades was the most well-known quote unquote star among pre-Islamic Arabs.

[01:06:32] And so is often referred to simply as the star.

[01:06:36] Okay.

[01:06:37] Pleiades and Orion are mentioned in the book of Job even, which I don't know why we

[01:06:42] overlooked that because we've already read the book of Job, but in verses 31 and 32, it

[01:06:47] reads, can you bind the chains of the Pleiades?

[01:06:50] Can you loosen Orion's belt?

[01:06:52] Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons or lead out the bear with its cubs?

[01:06:58] Only a few stars and constellations are named individually in the Hebrew Bible and their

[01:07:04] identification is not certain.

[01:07:06] So the clearest references include Orion as a giant angel, the Pleiades, Aldebaran, Arcturus,

[01:07:16] or Sirius, the Hyades, which are the Pleiades's sisters, like it's a sister constellation.

[01:07:23] Sure.

[01:07:23] So the Hyades, Arcturus, or even the evening star, which is Venus when seen at dusk, or Ursa

[01:07:31] Major and Ursa Minor.

[01:07:32] So just to throw this out there too, so apparently the Greek names for those constellations were

[01:07:39] not actually used in the Bible.

[01:07:41] They were Hebrew names.

[01:07:42] Orion was called Kessel.

[01:07:44] Okay.

[01:07:45] And Pleiades is called Kema.

[01:07:47] Okay.

[01:07:47] So I just thought I'd throw that in there real quick because I was kind of, part of my

[01:07:51] curiosity was...

[01:07:52] The actual word choice.

[01:07:54] Yeah, because it was Greek wording for the, you know, like in the Bible, which, you know,

[01:07:58] Greek origins anyway.

[01:08:00] So when you said the Kessel, is that?

[01:08:02] Kessel.

[01:08:03] Kessel.

[01:08:03] Yeah.

[01:08:04] I think I read also that that was where Charon also had a similar base word from that or something,

[01:08:14] that they were related.

[01:08:14] Okay.

[01:08:15] I thought I read that.

[01:08:16] It could be right.

[01:08:16] Yeah.

[01:08:17] So aside from Earth, only two planets are named in the Hebrew Bible, and that would be

[01:08:22] Saturn and Venus.

[01:08:23] Interesting.

[01:08:24] Right?

[01:08:24] Yeah.

[01:08:25] All right.

[01:08:26] So when corrupt people are accused by the poor of being dishonest, they respond with

[01:08:32] increased hatred and cruelty.

[01:08:33] Of course they do.

[01:08:34] Moving on now.

[01:08:35] Yeah, yeah.

[01:08:35] They use their power to force the poor into greater hardship.

[01:08:39] Then with the money they have dishonestly gained, they build bigger and more luxurious

[01:08:45] houses and gardens.

[01:08:47] Yeah.

[01:08:47] They are able to do all this without fear of opposition because they bribe government officials

[01:08:52] and no one dares to speak out against them.

[01:08:54] Sounds so relevant, doesn't it?

[01:08:56] It really does.

[01:08:56] Yeah.

[01:08:57] Because I read that part of, not Project 2025, what was President Duda's, like his Project 45

[01:09:08] or whatever that he called it after himself.

[01:09:10] Yeah, yeah.

[01:09:12] Part of his plan specifically is that he's going to illegalize homelessness across the

[01:09:21] country.

[01:09:22] Jesus Christ.

[01:09:22] And he's going to say you have a choice between incarceration or these tent cities that they're

[01:09:31] going to set up on federal lands.

[01:09:33] Yeah.

[01:09:34] What?

[01:09:34] Yeah.

[01:09:35] And in these tent cities you will receive, I forget what all it was, but you'll receive

[01:09:43] basically some kind of reprogram, like retraining program and perhaps sterilization and stuff.

[01:09:53] Oh shit.

[01:09:53] But healthcare though.

[01:09:55] What?

[01:09:59] Yeah.

[01:10:00] Yeah.

[01:10:00] These are, these are American citizens, right?

[01:10:03] Generally speaking.

[01:10:04] Yeah, but they're homeless.

[01:10:06] Okay.

[01:10:06] Okay.

[01:10:07] They are obviously in the wrong for having had bad luck fall upon them.

[01:10:12] Again, there's so many things that if they happen, I swear it's just not, this isn't

[01:10:17] America at that point, you know, like I don't really understand how, whatever.

[01:10:22] Okay.

[01:10:23] So yeah, let's everybody just be nice though.

[01:10:25] Everybody be nice.

[01:10:27] Just hug a Nazi.

[01:10:28] Nope.

[01:10:29] Okay.

[01:10:29] Okay.

[01:10:30] All right.

[01:10:30] So, um, let's see, moving on to verse 24, but let justice roll on like a river righteousness,

[01:10:40] like a never failing stream, which that's kind of nice.

[01:10:44] Sure.

[01:10:45] So nice.

[01:10:46] As a matter of fact that Martin Luther King Jr. cited this verse in his infamous, I have

[01:10:50] a dream speech, which he gave on August 28th, 1963 in Washington, DC.

[01:10:54] Sure.

[01:10:55] So I thought that wasn't a nice thing.

[01:10:58] Yeah.

[01:10:58] So did he, which makes me happy.

[01:11:01] It's just, it's just funny.

[01:11:02] The context that it comes out of.

[01:11:03] Yeah.

[01:11:04] Right.

[01:11:04] Like these nice speeches that include like, look, we all respect Martin Luther King Jr.

[01:11:09] Right.

[01:11:09] Even the Republicans want to claim them as their own.

[01:11:12] Apparently.

[01:11:12] Right.

[01:11:13] But like, even back then they were picking and choosing the beautiful language out of this

[01:11:20] text.

[01:11:20] Yeah.

[01:11:21] To promote messages that they wanted to promote.

[01:11:22] Now, my God, now I look hard for it.

[01:11:24] And that being said, the messages that Martin Luther King Jr. was promoting, I stand behind,

[01:11:30] you know?

[01:11:30] Well, yeah.

[01:11:30] I mean, yes.

[01:11:31] I believe in strongly.

[01:11:32] Right.

[01:11:33] Right.

[01:11:33] Right.

[01:11:36] Right.

[01:11:37] Right.

[01:11:37] Right.

[01:11:38] Right.

[01:11:39] Right.

[01:11:40] Right.

[01:11:42] Right.

[01:11:47] Right.

[01:11:57] Right.

[01:12:02] Right.

[01:12:03] increased the national guilt by adding to their sin,

[01:12:07] the sins of their fathers and that their punishment,

[01:12:10] therefore should be great in proportion.

[01:12:12] The national guilt.

[01:12:14] Like they're literally like talk about,

[01:12:16] we've talked about group punishment,

[01:12:18] but like just to announce y'all are guilty as a whole.

[01:12:22] Yeah.

[01:12:23] Like you,

[01:12:23] you can do no right because it's national guilt.

[01:12:26] Yeah.

[01:12:27] Yeah.

[01:12:27] Fuck all of you across the board.

[01:12:28] You're screwed.

[01:12:29] Yeah.

[01:12:30] The people's sacrifices besides being offered without any thought of moral holiness or obedience

[01:12:36] were corrupted through false religion.

[01:12:39] This was not the way Israelites offered sacrifices in the time of Moses.

[01:12:44] God will now punish Israel.

[01:12:46] Their sacrifices will cease and they with their foreign gods will be taken into captivity.

[01:12:52] God damn it.

[01:12:53] So verse 26 reads,

[01:12:55] You have lifted up the shrine of your king, the pedestal of your idols, the star of your God,

[01:13:01] which you made for yourselves.

[01:13:03] And ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch.

[01:13:07] He declares the reason why he denied that they had sacrificed to God in the wilderness.

[01:13:14] Okay.

[01:13:14] So astrologers commonly associated Saturn with Israel.

[01:13:19] Early historians further speculate that there may have been a star on the idol's head representing Saturn

[01:13:25] and draw a connection with a star in hieroglyphics representing God.

[01:13:30] The idols or images were carried in portable tents, tabernacles, chests, shrines, or altars of Venus and or Diana.

[01:13:39] Hmm.

[01:13:40] These were small chapels generally gilded and ornamented with flowers and in other ways intended to hold a small idol when processions were made

[01:13:49] and to be carried or driven about with it.

[01:13:52] Such shrines were used by the Egyptians.

[01:13:54] Hence, Egypt was likely the source of this idolatry.

[01:13:58] Got it.

[01:13:58] So remember when he was like saying that y'all did not sacrifice to me in the wilderness?

[01:14:07] Sure.

[01:14:07] That's because they were literally carrying him around.

[01:14:11] Got it.

[01:14:12] So that was the sacrifice.

[01:14:14] Oh, okay.

[01:14:15] And yeah, that's what he's saying.

[01:14:17] Like, that's how all that tied together.

[01:14:18] Got it.

[01:14:19] So.

[01:14:19] Okay.

[01:14:20] Cool, cool.

[01:14:21] Yeah.

[01:14:21] So that's all I have.

[01:14:22] Got it.

[01:14:23] Well, that I think sums up our Q&A for today.

[01:14:28] For chapters one through five of A Mouse.

[01:14:30] Yep.

[01:14:31] Yep.

[01:14:31] And I will be getting the weekly wrap up out here shortly.

[01:14:35] Which will be one week worth of material, but two weeks worth of days.

[01:14:39] Yes.

[01:14:40] Now, that being said, I do have we have a special episode that we did yesterday for or yesterday or the day before for the Trump thing,

[01:14:48] which I'm going to put on next post election, whatever.

[01:14:52] Right, which I'm going to put on next week's Q&A.

[01:14:54] Really?

[01:14:54] Or next week's wrap up.

[01:14:55] Because we already have two specials that we missed for this Q&A from the last time.

[01:15:00] Oh, okay.

[01:15:00] Because we've gone so long without finishing this five.

[01:15:02] Okay, so we'll have two in this weekly wrap up and then we'll have two in the next weekly wrap up?

[01:15:07] Yes.

[01:15:07] Okay.

[01:15:08] Got it.

[01:15:08] Yes.

[01:15:09] All right.

[01:15:10] Well, we'll see you next time then.

[01:15:12] Whenever that may be.

[01:15:13] Right.

[01:15:14] Bye.

[01:15:14] Bye.