Forty-ish days of sky cavalry (yes, literal “cavalry appeared in the midst of the sky” vibes) kicks off 2 Maccabees 5, and it’s immediately giving “ancient mass hallucination” more than “divine revelation.” While Antiochus is off invading Egypt, a rumor of his death sends Jason into “main character” mode—storming the city with not less than a thousand men… and then promptly proving that backstabbing your own people is not, in fact, a winning leadership strategy.
Then Antiochus hears Judea might be revolting and responds in the most Bible-adjacent way possible: indiscriminate murder, slavery, and temple looting. The episode doesn’t sugarcoat it—this chapter escalates into brutality fast: young, old, infants, virgins… the text goes out of its way to be horrifying. And just to top it off, the guy strolls into the “most holy temple of all the Earth” like the universe personally signed him a VIP pass.
We also get a parade of cartoon-villain deputies—“that lord of pollutions, Apollonius” might be the single greatest accidental diss title in scripture—and a familiar Sabbath trap that ties back to the earlier Maccabees storyline. By the end, Judas Maccabaeus and a small crew dip into the mountains to survive like “wild animals,” because apparently that’s the only way to avoid getting steamrolled by imperial “peacekeeping.”
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📌 Topics Covered:
- 2 Maccabees 5 opens with sky cavalry—because reality is optional in Bible-adjacent history
- Jason tries a coup and somehow thinks killing his own citizens is a flex
- Antiochus hears “revolt” and answers with slaughter, slavery, and zero nuance
- The “most holy temple of all the Earth” line—peak religious main-character syndrome
- Temple robbery: 1,800 talents later, Antiochus thinks he can “sail on land and walk on sea”
- Enter the ultimate insult-title: “the lord of pollutions, Apollonius”
- The Sabbath ambush: “peaceful” arrival, fully armed parade, then massacre
- Judas Maccabaeus retreats to the mountains to avoid being part of the defilement
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00:00 --> 00:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Wife, do you know what we're doing today because I sure spoke to remember the last thing the way we were Well last time we read second macabees chapter four, sure spoke did Yeah, and in that one we were bored
00:16 --> 00:18 [SPEAKER_01]: It was so boring, oh my god.
00:18 --> 00:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there were, it was a lot of like Greek shit.
00:22 --> 00:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Like they were talking about what the Greeks were doing.
00:24 --> 00:27 [SPEAKER_01]: There was like, but it wasn't like cool Greek.
00:27 --> 00:29 [SPEAKER_01]: It was not like Greece, baby.
00:29 --> 00:31 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there was like kind of the Olympic reference.
00:31 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Like there's a love that.
00:33 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't cool.
00:33 --> 00:37 [SPEAKER_00]: And somebody I killed, but it wasn't full Greece.
00:37 --> 00:41 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't like, whoa, it's all Greek to me, even though I did say that.
00:41 --> 00:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, it lost a lot of the, like, I don't know, it didn't live up to the second macabees, you know, promise of God.
00:50 --> 00:52 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like I am just saying it, they promised God.
00:52 --> 00:55 [SPEAKER_00]: They did promise, that's what I heard when we started it, like there's gonna be more God.
00:55 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Literally heard.
00:57 --> 00:58 [SPEAKER_00]: That chapter was Sam's God, you know?
00:58 --> 01:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it was just like, no God.
01:00 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_00]: And not that as an atheist I give a shit too much about that but yeah and so far as what I was expecting it was not what I expected it was not in a bad way In a bad way because there was even a great story.
01:12 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just like yeah, there's things that that happened I guess so okay cool Let's move move along then so what happened right.
01:19 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so
01:20 --> 01:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there was there was there was Olympics and there was like when I is got killed and they, you know, did shit boring Jason Jason bought a priesthood and we had to send us their Simon round and stuff.
01:33 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Simon and Tuesday.
01:34 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_01]: What?
01:35 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Send us your Simon.
01:36 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Sinister Simon.
01:38 --> 01:42 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought you said Simon and she was not even close.
01:44 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay, okay, but that's because my brain is in book publishing mode and I swear I really heard you say suck me to chew stir cut it.
01:56 --> 02:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, no, that was not what I said Wow, well, okay, sorry go on my brain is not in book publishing mode
02:01 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
02:02 --> 02:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Sinister Simon as opposed to you.
02:04 --> 02:06 [SPEAKER_00]: The one to name you made up.
02:06 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
02:07 --> 02:09 [SPEAKER_01]: I forgot I made that name up, right?
02:09 --> 02:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes I just say the funny is shit and then it's gone.
02:12 --> 02:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
02:13 --> 02:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was second mac and we's chapter four.
02:15 --> 02:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, fuck what.
02:16 --> 02:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Which means that today we're doing Sinister Simon's second mac and doodles, chapter five.
02:23 --> 02:24 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, are you ready to do this?
02:24 --> 02:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably not, but yeah, let's do it.
02:26 --> 02:27 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's do it.
02:27 --> 02:28 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay.
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03:01 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_01]: I am going to write a book and I'm going to start it with, now about this time, and Tyakus made his second invasion into Egypt's, okay?
03:13 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a Tyakus and Tyakus of Piffinies, the OG, the villain, that's right, yeah.
03:19 --> 03:37 [SPEAKER_01]: it happened that throughout all the city for almost 40 days so not quite not quite we had to get that 40 day number because it's the Bible and we like those 40 days we do like those 40 nights even yeah and it wasn't quite that cool number but it was awesome really fun course yeah
03:37 --> 03:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Cavalry appeared in the midst of the sky and swift motion, wearing robes woven with gold and carrying spears, equipped with troops for battle.
03:49 --> 03:49 [SPEAKER_00]: In the sky?
03:49 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what it said.
03:51 --> 03:51 [SPEAKER_01]: This is magic.
03:51 --> 03:52 [SPEAKER_00]: A little worried for these people.
03:53 --> 03:54 [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
03:54 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Rayleigh, magic angel is just like, I feel like they're in drugs involved, maybe.
04:00 --> 04:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's so much drugs in the Bible.
04:02 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_01]: Drawing swords, squadrons of cavalry in Iran.
04:07 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_00]: Dogs and cats.
04:08 --> 04:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Living together.
04:08 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_01]: They're mass hysteria.
04:10 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Encounters and pursuits of both armies, shaking shields, multitude of lances, throwing of missiles flashing of golden trappings and putting on all sorts of armor.
04:23 --> 04:23 [SPEAKER_00]: All sorts.
04:23 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_00]: all kinds.
04:25 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of them.
04:26 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_00]: There's tons.
04:27 --> 04:32 [SPEAKER_01]: There's, there's the one that goes on your left arm and the one that goes on your right arm.
04:32 --> 04:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Some of them are gold, some of them are silver.
04:34 --> 04:35 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you?
04:35 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Might even be bronze in there.
04:36 --> 04:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
04:36 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't even know what you're in.
04:39 --> 04:39 [SPEAKER_00]: So much art.
04:39 --> 04:40 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
04:40 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_01]: So all sorts.
04:41 --> 04:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
04:42 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Therefore, everyone prayed that the manifestation might have been given for good.
04:48 --> 04:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a manifestation of fucking angels and coming down from the sky.
04:55 --> 04:56 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure what's happening here.
04:57 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Started off with Anteic is going into Egypt to fight shit, right?
05:01 --> 05:02 [SPEAKER_01]: King, you hear what I said?
05:02 --> 05:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but then Cavalry appeared in the midst of the sky.
05:05 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying.
05:06 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure what's going on, because Anteic is going to Egypt fight, and then the sky cavalry showed up.
05:12 --> 05:12 [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to happen.
05:12 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_00]: That was putting on all kinds of armor.
05:14 --> 05:17 [SPEAKER_01]: that's the name of another book, Sky Cavalry.
05:17 --> 05:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, I've all thought about it, okay?
05:20 --> 05:21 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm an issuester.
05:21 --> 05:40 [SPEAKER_01]: When a false rumor had a reason that Antiochus was dead, Jason took not less than a thousand men and suddenly made an assault upon the city, not in a
05:40 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That was really bad.
05:41 --> 05:43 [SPEAKER_01]: It was so bad.
05:43 --> 05:44 [SPEAKER_01]: It was so bad.
05:44 --> 05:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I had to say it twice so you could hear me.
05:45 --> 05:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I know because I didn't.
05:46 --> 05:49 [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't enter my brain the first time because it was so bad.
05:49 --> 05:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I know.
05:50 --> 05:53 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the second time, I was still like, nope, still not good.
05:53 --> 05:54 [SPEAKER_01]: It's still not good.
05:55 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_01]: But I thought if I just tried it.
05:56 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate the, you know, the, um, even through there.
06:00 --> 06:00 [SPEAKER_01]: It was quick.
06:01 --> 06:02 [SPEAKER_00]: That was, uh, yeah.
06:02 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_01]: And I tried.
06:03 --> 06:04 [SPEAKER_00]: it was a thing to happen anyway.
06:04 --> 06:12 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a thing to happen when those who were on the wall were being rooted and the city was at length nearly taken.
06:12 --> 06:13 [SPEAKER_00]: It was routed.
06:13 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Was it routed?
06:14 --> 06:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I always do that wrong.
06:16 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_01]: DM it.
06:16 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
06:17 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_01]: It was trade again.
06:17 --> 06:18 [SPEAKER_00]: You drive on a route.
06:18 --> 06:20 [SPEAKER_00]: You route armies.
06:22 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
06:23 --> 06:25 [SPEAKER_01]: But sometimes you could drive on a route.
06:26 --> 06:29 [SPEAKER_00]: You can, yeah, but you can't route.
06:29 --> 06:30 [SPEAKER_00]: You can't route an army, though.
06:31 --> 06:34 [SPEAKER_00]: You route the good route an army, but it would be different than routing an army.
06:34 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so if you're rooting an army is more like on the sidelines with like palm palms and then, you know, routing an army.
06:40 --> 06:41 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm getting them on.
06:41 --> 06:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Getting them in the fuck out of like they're getting in the air.
06:43 --> 06:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so if you're rooting them, you're at a rally.
06:46 --> 06:50 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're routing them, you're really,
06:50 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you're f***ing them up.
06:52 --> 06:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
06:52 --> 06:54 [SPEAKER_00]: They're getting, they're getting gone because you're f***ing them up.
06:54 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
06:55 --> 06:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
06:55 --> 06:56 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
06:56 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
06:57 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's try it again then.
06:57 --> 06:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
06:58 --> 07:06 [SPEAKER_01]: When those who were on the wall were being routed, see, I already couldn't remember, routed, routed.
07:06 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_01]: And the city was at length nearly taken.
07:09 --> 07:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
07:10 --> 07:12 [SPEAKER_01]: mentally as took refuge in the Citadel.
07:13 --> 07:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
07:14 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the words Citadel.
07:16 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but Jason slaughtered his own citizens without mercy as you do I came here to fight somebody.
07:24 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna fuck I'm gonna fuck somebody up.
07:25 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna fuck somebody up Hey, hey, they won't let me out.
07:29 --> 07:31 [SPEAKER_01]: So hey.
07:31 --> 07:32 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna kill you instead
07:33 --> 07:35 [SPEAKER_00]: So, brother, f**k them up.
07:35 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we got away from the whole sky camera right thing though.
07:38 --> 07:39 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm hoping the camera in the sky.
07:39 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm hoping we get back to that.
07:41 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
07:41 --> 07:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
07:42 --> 07:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And that was nearly like 40 days.
07:43 --> 07:46 [SPEAKER_01]: 40 days, almost not by, yeah.
07:46 --> 07:49 [SPEAKER_01]: But Jason slaughtered his own citizens without mercy.
07:49 --> 08:03 [SPEAKER_01]: Not considering that good success against Kinsman is the greatest misfortune, but supposing himself to be setting up trophies over enemies and not over fellow countrymen.
08:03 --> 08:14 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't win control of the government, but receiving shame as the result of his conspiracy, he fled again as a fugitive into the country of the Aminites.
08:15 --> 08:18 [SPEAKER_01]: He thought he was going to get trophies like, look guys look what I did!
08:18 --> 08:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I killed all my guys!
08:21 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like if you are playing soccer and you kick a goal into your own.
08:27 --> 08:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you're like, look, I scored for us, you.
08:31 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah.
08:32 --> 08:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Us, us, you.
08:33 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you just point in the wrong way.
08:35 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, like, you turn around, man.
08:37 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not how the words.
08:39 --> 08:39 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure.
08:39 --> 08:40 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm really nice.
08:40 --> 08:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is chapter five.
08:42 --> 08:43 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're probably going to be doing a Q&A soon.
08:43 --> 08:45 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be doing a Q&A soon.
08:45 --> 08:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, after this one, that will be the next.
08:46 --> 08:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
08:47 --> 08:48 [SPEAKER_01]: One that we do.
08:48 --> 08:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
08:49 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_01]: At last, therefore, he met with a miserable end.
08:52 --> 08:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, he deserved it.
08:55 --> 09:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Having been imprisoned at the court of Eratos, the Prince of the Arabians, fleeing from city to city, pursued by all men, hated as a rebel against the laws, and abhured as the executioner of his country and his fellow citizens.
09:09 --> 09:10 [SPEAKER_00]: This guy was really unpopular.
09:10 --> 09:12 [SPEAKER_01]: He was cast ashore in Egypt.
09:13 --> 09:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
09:13 --> 09:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was hated and chastened and routed.
09:18 --> 09:20 [SPEAKER_01]: He would drive him any.
09:20 --> 09:21 [SPEAKER_00]: No one was rooting for him.
09:22 --> 09:25 [SPEAKER_01]: No, we don't have a goal.
09:25 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Not even say, I'm an enduceder.
09:28 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Key who had driven many from their own country and to exile, perished in exile, having crossed the sea to less than nine.
09:39 --> 09:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure.
09:40 --> 09:42 [SPEAKER_00]: That place, it's real cool.
09:42 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Here they got good food, you know?
09:45 --> 09:47 [SPEAKER_01]: That is a long, that word is so long.
09:47 --> 09:50 [SPEAKER_01]: It takes up half of the line.
09:50 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Damn.
09:51 --> 09:51 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
09:51 --> 09:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
09:52 --> 09:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's a whole line of print.
09:54 --> 09:55 [SPEAKER_01]: And half of it is one word.
09:55 --> 09:57 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like they should get together and change the name of that city.
09:58 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
09:59 --> 09:59 [SPEAKER_01]: Lessons.
09:59 --> 10:00 [SPEAKER_00]: That's too much.
10:00 --> 10:02 [SPEAKER_01]: I called it last a deadline.
10:02 --> 10:03 [SPEAKER_00]: They're last a extra.
10:03 --> 10:04 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
10:04 --> 10:10 [SPEAKER_01]: Having crossed the sea to the last of the nannanas, hoping to find shelter there because they were near of kin.
10:11 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so he was routed there.
10:13 --> 10:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
10:14 --> 10:19 [SPEAKER_01]: He, who had thrown out a multitude on buried, had none to mourn for him.
10:19 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't have any funeral at all and no place in the tomb of his ancestors.
10:25 --> 10:32 [SPEAKER_01]: That is sad, do you ever think about your funeral and who will be there and if people will mourn for you?
10:32 --> 10:37 [SPEAKER_00]: I really don't that much, like mostly I'm good with just being like
10:38 --> 10:44 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, burn me, and then if you want, you can spread me somewhere or whatever.
10:44 --> 10:51 [SPEAKER_00]: But do you ever think about who those people might be that would burn you or would assume that it would be some people and not other people.
10:51 --> 10:52 [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.
10:52 --> 10:54 [SPEAKER_01]: So you just don't really think about it.
10:54 --> 10:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
10:55 --> 10:57 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't think about the people that you leave behind.
10:57 --> 10:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'll be dead.
10:58 --> 11:01 [SPEAKER_01]: So do you think about the people that you'll leave behind?
11:01 --> 11:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't think about dying that often.
11:04 --> 11:10 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not something that I dwell on because like I'm more interested in the living and aspect of things.
11:10 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_00]: So and as far as dying is concerned, mostly what I want is for nobody to be sad when I die, I want them to be, I want them to be,
11:19 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_01]: We remember the good things about it.
11:21 --> 11:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
11:21 --> 11:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
11:22 --> 11:23 [SPEAKER_01]: Like what a goofball you are.
11:23 --> 11:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
11:24 --> 11:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
11:26 --> 11:26 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
11:26 --> 11:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes I think of who will come to my funeral.
11:30 --> 11:38 [SPEAKER_01]: But then I remember that I want more of like a Irish wake than a funeral.
11:38 --> 11:39 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, okay.
11:39 --> 11:40 [SPEAKER_01]: So who will come to my death party?
11:41 --> 11:41 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
11:42 --> 11:47 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm like, I start thinking about it.
11:47 --> 11:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really feel like the whole dying thing is for the person who died since their death.
11:51 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
11:52 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It's more for the people that are still alive that want something at that point.
11:55 --> 11:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
11:55 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_00]: And therefore, it really has nothing to do with me once I'm dead.
11:59 --> 11:59 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
11:59 --> 12:00 [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
12:00 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Because then when I start thinking about it, I'm like, well, most people are, that I know that aren't my kids are my age or older, right?
12:08 --> 12:10 [SPEAKER_01]: So then I start being like really morbid.
12:10 --> 12:14 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, they'll all either be dead or dying anyways.
12:14 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
12:17 --> 12:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
12:17 --> 12:22 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm like, and then it's just the kids and do I really want them to waste money on a death party?
12:22 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
12:23 --> 12:24 [SPEAKER_01]: Like no.
12:24 --> 12:25 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
12:25 --> 12:28 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just write about in the lake Michigan and kick me off the boat.
12:28 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
12:29 --> 12:30 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyways.
12:31 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, when news came to the king concerning that which was done, he thought that Judea was in revolt.
12:38 --> 12:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So, setting out for Egypt in a rage, he took the city by force of weapons and commanded his soldiers to cut down with our mercy, those who came in their way, and to kill those who went into their houses.
12:53 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
12:54 --> 12:54 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
12:54 --> 12:56 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like murder murder staff staff.
12:56 --> 12:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
12:57 --> 13:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Then there was killing of young and old destruction of boys, women and children and slaying of virgins and infants.
13:05 --> 13:06 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not cool, man.
13:07 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_01]: Why you got to kill them?
13:07 --> 13:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like killing anybody.
13:09 --> 13:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like what's up with that?
13:10 --> 13:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Why you got to kill the babies and the kids?
13:12 --> 13:14 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not so nice.
13:14 --> 13:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, but there was, they had nicer ways of saying it in the Old Testament when we were reading through it, where they were saying times.
13:22 --> 13:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, I'm just, yes, sometimes.
13:24 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, like, they would just be like, yeah, we killed them all and then piled them up in the middle of the town.
13:28 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
13:28 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't distinguish.
13:29 --> 13:30 [SPEAKER_00]: There was like, they're all dead.
13:30 --> 13:42 [SPEAKER_01]: They're all we killed the whole town and then me and you would be like including the kids I guess well at least they're not taking them as slaves like I don't know I feel like somehow that's worse in some degree in some ways I don't know it depends.
13:43 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know especially when they talk about taking the virgin just as you know.
13:46 --> 13:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know that means that's gross.
13:48 --> 13:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
13:49 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_01]: In a total of three days, 80 were destroyed.
13:53 --> 13:59 [SPEAKER_01]: A which 40 were slain in close combat and no fewer were sold into slavery.
13:59 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_00]: To the slain.
14:00 --> 14:00 [SPEAKER_00]: There it is.
14:01 --> 14:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
14:02 --> 14:02 [SPEAKER_01]: There it is.
14:03 --> 14:05 [SPEAKER_01]: But not content with this.
14:05 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_01]: He presumed to enter into the most holy temple of all the earth of all the earth.
14:11 --> 14:16 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, wow, wow, that is so fucking presumptuous.
14:16 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially since you don't even know what the whole earth entails at this point.
14:18 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, it's the most holy temple of all the earth.
14:22 --> 14:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody else on the planet that you haven't even discovered yet can have something holier than that.
14:27 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_00]: The Incans might have something to say about that, guys.
14:29 --> 14:34 [SPEAKER_01]: Only one of all the people like in Asia just think that their ship was holy.
14:34 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they think that their ship was holy.
14:36 --> 14:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they had a holy ship.
14:37 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_01]: what about people in the Americas?
14:40 --> 14:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they had some holy shit happening.
14:42 --> 14:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
14:43 --> 14:43 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
14:43 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_01]: Like but no, no, no, you said that yours was the most holy temple of all the planet.
14:49 --> 14:52 [SPEAKER_01]: And so you get, you get to just say that it is.
14:52 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_01]: So it is.
14:54 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_00]: It's in the Bible.
14:54 --> 14:55 [SPEAKER_00]: It's true.
14:55 --> 14:56 [SPEAKER_00]: According to Christians.
14:56 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_01]: It just really makes me mad because there was, there was other holy shit happening.
15:02 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
15:02 --> 15:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
15:03 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it's simpler.
15:04 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_00]: You even talk about this Jerusalem that we're in.
15:06 --> 15:07 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't fucking know.
15:07 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_00]: I like that because I thought we were in Egypt a minute ago.
15:09 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's the most holy temple of all the earth.
15:11 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_00]: So I got to imagine that it's... You would think that we'd be talking about Jerusalem at that point, right?
15:15 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I would think.
15:17 --> 15:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Having mentally is for his guide who had proved himself a traitor, both to the laws and to his country, even taking the secret vessels with his polluted hands and dragging down with his profane hands, the offerings that had been dedicated by other kings to enhance the glory and honor of the place.
15:39 --> 15:52 [SPEAKER_01]: entire case was lifted up in mind, not seeing that because of the sins of those who lived in the city, the sovereign Lord had been provoked to anger a little while, and therefore his eye was turned away from the place.
15:53 --> 15:58 [SPEAKER_01]: But had it not been so that they were already bound by many sins,
15:58 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_01]: This man, even as Hilly Adorus, was sent by King Celiacus to view the treasury would as soon as he came forward, have been squirged and turned back from his daring deed.
16:14 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a long fucking sentence that I did not follow the majority.
16:17 --> 16:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one of the, I remember the, what's his name, the guy that got sent by the,
16:27 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember he was the guy that solved the guy in the gold armor that was God or whatever and then turned around I was like fuck this shit.
16:33 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm out.
16:34 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm out.
16:34 --> 16:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's just like I think God right But I'm not really following even where we're at geographically at the moment right and or what exactly has happened in the summer that Antikus is around and like There's that other dude that like
16:48 --> 16:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Kill the jump people and stuff and yeah, I'm not right I'm a little lost here.
16:52 --> 16:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be honest.
16:53 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited for the Q&A.
16:55 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
16:55 --> 16:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
16:56 --> 16:59 [SPEAKER_01]: I got five chapters of WTS.
16:59 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_00]: These books are not and not some of the easier books that we not lately read.
17:03 --> 17:03 [SPEAKER_00]: No.
17:04 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_01]: No.
17:04 --> 17:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
17:05 --> 17:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I have like a flow chart the whole time I'm listening.
17:07 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
17:08 --> 17:09 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, are we out again now?
17:09 --> 17:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
17:10 --> 17:17 [SPEAKER_01]: However, the Lord didn't choose the nation for the places sake, but the place for the nation's sake.
17:18 --> 17:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
17:19 --> 17:20 [SPEAKER_01]: I really like that sense.
17:21 --> 17:26 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, it doesn't matter what the place is, y'all are the important part.
17:26 --> 17:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And because of you, I chose this place, not vice versa.
17:31 --> 17:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
17:32 --> 17:34 [SPEAKER_01]: I like that phrasing.
17:35 --> 17:38 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe that that happened, but that phrasing.
17:39 --> 17:59 [SPEAKER_01]: therefore also the place itself having shared in the calamities that happened to the nation did after word share in its benefits in the place which was forsaken in the wrath of the Almighty was at the reconciliation of the great sovereign restored again with all glory.
17:59 --> 18:01 [SPEAKER_00]: We have to be talking about Jerusalem.
18:01 --> 18:03 [SPEAKER_01]: We have to be talking about Jerusalem.
18:03 --> 18:04 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I would play.
18:04 --> 18:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to say how we got from the
18:07 --> 18:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I missed that that bit apparently.
18:11 --> 18:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I was probably talking about something else at the moment missed it.
18:16 --> 18:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really care that much.
18:18 --> 18:24 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think the dude was traveling around and so and he presumed to enter into the most holy temple of the earth.
18:24 --> 18:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I mean, that has to and that has to be a word talking about, I believe.
18:27 --> 18:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm probably 100% wrong though.
18:30 --> 18:30 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
18:30 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll find out.
18:31 --> 18:31 [SPEAKER_00]: We will.
18:31 --> 18:32 [SPEAKER_00]: We will.
18:32 --> 18:33 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be like next episode.
18:33 --> 18:40 [SPEAKER_00]: We will find out one of my questions is where the fuck is all this take place and then we'll be like, he scratched that whole last episode.
18:40 --> 18:41 [SPEAKER_00]: We were wrong about everything.
18:41 --> 18:43 [SPEAKER_01]: How could we be wrong when we're seeing the whole time?
18:44 --> 18:45 [SPEAKER_01]: What?
18:45 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, no, I mean, like, we are not scholars or academics, just to clarify.
18:52 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
18:52 --> 18:54 [SPEAKER_00]: We're just reading this shit and trying to figure it out.
18:55 --> 18:56 [SPEAKER_01]: And doing a bad job.
18:57 --> 18:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes, sometimes we do a pretty good job.
18:58 --> 19:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm making no bold statements here, though.
19:00 --> 19:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Not as no fucking idea would have.
19:02 --> 19:03 [SPEAKER_00]: This chapter is trash.
19:04 --> 19:12 [SPEAKER_01]: As for Antiochus, when he had carried away out of the temple, 1 talents, that's a lot of talent.
19:12 --> 19:14 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a lot, yeah.
19:14 --> 19:23 [SPEAKER_01]: He hurried away to Antioch, thinking in his arrogance that he could sail on land and walk on the sea because his heart was lifted up.
19:24 --> 19:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's an interesting turn of race.
19:27 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_01]: He could sail on land and walk on sea.
19:31 --> 19:33 [SPEAKER_00]: But he would do with 1800 talent.
19:33 --> 19:34 [SPEAKER_01]: He was no Jesus.
19:35 --> 19:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
19:35 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus could sail on land and walk on sea, right?
19:38 --> 19:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
19:39 --> 19:40 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying.
19:40 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_01]: That's an interesting turn of phrase.
19:43 --> 19:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Moreover, he left governors to afflict the race.
19:47 --> 19:58 [SPEAKER_01]: At Jerusalem, fill up by race of friggin' and in character, more barbarous than him who set him there and at Jerusalem,
19:58 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_01]: and dronicus, and besides these men alias, who worse than all the rest, exalted himself against his fellow citizens.
20:06 --> 20:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So he left like evil.
20:08 --> 20:10 [SPEAKER_00]: He will not live in this place, yeah.
20:10 --> 20:12 [SPEAKER_01]: Behind him, yeah.
20:12 --> 20:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of remember Philip from the first pack these, I think, a little bit.
20:15 --> 20:16 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's the same one, but sure.
20:16 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it might be.
20:18 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
20:19 --> 20:21 [SPEAKER_00]: One point in a tie, I guess, left some people in charge.
20:21 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_01]: He did, he did.
20:23 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Having a malicious mind toward the Jews, whom he had made his citizens, he sent that Lord of Pollutions, Apollonius, a Lord of Pollution.
20:34 --> 20:35 [SPEAKER_01]: You fucking Lord of Pollution.
20:35 --> 20:38 [SPEAKER_01]: That is a great insult.
20:39 --> 20:52 [SPEAKER_01]: He left that Lord of Pollutions, Apollonius, with an army of 22, commanding him to kill all those who were a full age, and to sell the women and boys as slaves.
20:52 --> 21:02 [SPEAKER_01]: He came to Jerusalem and pretending to be a man of peace waited till the holy day of the Sabbath and finding the Jews at rest from work.
21:02 --> 21:05 [SPEAKER_01]: He commanded his men to parade fully armed.
21:06 --> 21:09 [SPEAKER_01]: He put to the sword all those who came out to the spectacle.
21:09 --> 21:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember that because that's where the first guy that was one of the macavys ran out.
21:15 --> 21:18 [SPEAKER_00]: They decided after that they were going to fight on the Sabbath.
21:17 --> 21:20 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were like, I guess, fuck this out.
21:20 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of fun in the night.
21:21 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_00]: This guy and Tykes caught up with them, and they didn't fight him because it was the Sabbath.
21:25 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
21:26 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_00]: They just killed them.
21:27 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
21:28 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_01]: Running into the city with the armed men, he killed great multitudes.
21:33 --> 21:33 [SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.
21:33 --> 21:39 [SPEAKER_01]: But Judas, who is also called Macabeus, could be us, without nine others.
21:39 --> 21:47 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, his brothers and son, with Drew himself and with his company kept himself alive in the mountains like wild animals do.
21:48 --> 21:55 [SPEAKER_01]: They continued feeding on what grew wild that they might not be partakers of the defilement, the end.
21:55 --> 21:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
21:56 --> 21:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
21:57 --> 21:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
21:58 --> 22:11 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it's it's we were coming at this point like I feel like we're literally reading like Greek history right now as opposed to Bible stuff because the way it's reading is almost like they were reading it from a recounting from the Greek side of things.
22:12 --> 22:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as opposed to anything written by the Maccabee's perspective.
22:17 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_00]: This is completely different than what we've been reading.
22:20 --> 22:44 [SPEAKER_00]: but and it's it's kind of hard to follow because I don't like there's so many names again and they're like do we really care like this was like half a chapter or a chapter in in first macabee is right and it's been like well five chapters and second macabee so like they're just they're really leaning into the whole entire kiss epiphany's part of this right and I like that we finally got to the point where
22:44 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_01]: We're like, oh, there's the macadoon.
22:45 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I mean, like, this is where they got slaughtered on the Sabbath and like, oh, shit.
22:49 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that lines up.
22:50 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, no, I know what's happening.
22:52 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
22:52 --> 22:53 [SPEAKER_00]: I know.
22:53 --> 22:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
22:53 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_01]: But I had to wait five, like, I had to wait to the last paragraph of the fifth chapter.
22:57 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
22:58 --> 23:02 [SPEAKER_01]: To understand what was happening and to be like, okay.
23:01 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they were pretty bad with the, the, not as bad as first macabees at any point, but like they were pretty bad with the, uh, he, they I feel like they were bad with pronouns in this.
23:12 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_01]: I just had no idea where the place was.
23:14 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_00]: They weren't supposed to know where they were geographically.
23:15 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, their geography was bad, not their pronouns, and their sentence structure leaves much to be desired.
23:21 --> 23:22 [SPEAKER_01]: It's way too long.
23:23 --> 23:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
23:24 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I need simple.
23:26 --> 23:29 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a simple girl, and I need simple words.
23:29 --> 23:31 [SPEAKER_01]: And this was not simple.
23:31 --> 23:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah, this is not it.
23:33 --> 23:34 [SPEAKER_01]: No, this ain't it.
23:34 --> 23:36 [SPEAKER_01]: So next time we'll be back with a Q&A.
23:37 --> 23:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
23:38 --> 23:40 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was second-back with each chapter five.
23:40 --> 23:41 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure stuff was.
23:41 --> 23:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And as wife just said, next time we'll be back with a Q&A.
23:45 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_01]: Over chapters one, two, five.
23:46 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, second-back of Doodles.
23:48 --> 23:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And we'll see you then.
23:49 --> 23:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Bye.
