Seven brothers and their mom get hauled in under the king’s “eat pork or else” policy… and boy does “or else” show up ready to work. 2 Maccabees 7 turns into a full-on gore anthology: tongues cut out, scalps removed, limbs chopped, and at least one human gets pan-fried while still alive—because nothing says “civilization” like weaponizing cookware for religious compliance.
Meanwhile, the brothers keep dropping end-of-life mic speeches about resurrection and everlasting life, and the hosts are like… cool story, but where’s your god when someone’s getting turned into a smoke signal? The episode leans hard into the obvious: if your religion demands you die screaming over a dietary rule, that’s not “faith,” that’s fanaticism—and it sure as hell isn’t inspiring.
Then the chapter cranks the emotional manipulation dial to eleven with the mother—praised as “marvelous”—watching seven sons die in one day and basically telling the last kid to march proudly into the blender for God’s approval. The hosts aren’t buying the holiness; they call out the guilt-trip energy and the gross “good moms don’t flinch” implication baked into the narrative.
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📌 Topics Covered:
- 2 Maccabees 7 and the “eat pork or get sautéed” conversion strategy
- The king goes full unhinged: mutilation, mockery, and “fry him in the pan” energy
- Resurrection talk ramps up fast—suddenly we’re in “everlasting life” territory
- “God could smite armies but can’t delete a frying pan?” theological side-eye
- The hosts debate conviction vs. coercion—where’s the line when torture is the pitch?
- The mom-as-martyr narrative and the ugly pressure it puts on real-world parents
- The king tries bribery on the last brother… and still gets roasted (verbally and otherwise)
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00:00 --> 00:00 [SPEAKER_00]: That's me!
00:00 --> 00:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Why do you know where we are today?
00:04 --> 00:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, last time we read second Macme's chapter six.
00:09 --> 00:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, but did.
00:10 --> 00:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and in that one, we had, I think it was Antiochist's epiphanys.
00:16 --> 00:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
00:16 --> 00:23 [SPEAKER_00]: And he was making the Jewish people do Dionysus parades, and then it got a little worse from there.
00:23 --> 00:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So like they had the mothers who were getting their kids circumcised, got X, Q to by B and dropped in their heads off a wall.
00:31 --> 00:31 [SPEAKER_02]: as you do.
00:31 --> 00:33 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not any more.
00:33 --> 00:34 [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's definitely.
00:34 --> 00:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
00:34 --> 00:35 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
00:35 --> 00:35 [SPEAKER_00]: Please, not around here.
00:36 --> 00:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Not in our part.
00:36 --> 00:37 [SPEAKER_00]: Not in this neck of the woods.
00:38 --> 00:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Not in this part of Ohio.
00:41 --> 00:48 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we had the the 90 year old guy who was like being forced to park and he was like, nah.
00:48 --> 00:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And then his friends were like, come on, man, just pretend like you're either he's like, nah.
00:51 --> 00:54 [SPEAKER_02]: And then they he's like, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a die on this day.
00:54 --> 00:54 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he died.
00:55 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he went to the torture machine.
00:56 --> 00:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
00:57 --> 01:00 [SPEAKER_02]: I need, I need a
01:00 --> 01:03 [SPEAKER_02]: like literally what could that be about?
01:03 --> 01:10 [SPEAKER_00]: You have so many possible books, bands, and t-shirts out there that I can't hardly keep track with all.
01:10 --> 01:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And you act like that's a bad thing.
01:12 --> 01:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't say it was a bad thing.
01:13 --> 01:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying like, I need like a secretary to write down all of your, your... Imagineings?
01:19 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:20 --> 01:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
01:21 --> 01:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But you're like, start handing them out to people.
01:22 --> 01:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, all right, you start this band.
01:24 --> 01:25 [SPEAKER_00]: You write this book.
01:25 --> 01:28 [SPEAKER_00]: And then you, um, what's the other thing?
01:28 --> 01:29 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you make this t-shirt.
01:29 --> 01:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:30 --> 01:31 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
01:31 --> 01:34 [SPEAKER_00]: We just need like a team at counterweight machines, though.
01:34 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, come on.
01:35 --> 01:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I got it.
01:35 --> 01:36 [SPEAKER_00]: I got it.
01:36 --> 01:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, that won't always be of the panic room.
01:38 --> 01:43 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a song by aura, and it goes, welcome to the panic room.
01:43 --> 01:47 [SPEAKER_02]: And it just like, welcome to the torture machine.
01:47 --> 01:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess there would be some panic in the torture machine room.
01:51 --> 01:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Right?
01:51 --> 01:54 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure how you got the panic room from torture machine, but okay.
01:54 --> 01:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Cause welcome to the...
01:56 --> 01:58 [SPEAKER_02]: torture machine.
01:58 --> 02:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I see how, no, no, no, no.
02:03 --> 02:03 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
02:03 --> 02:07 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was, um, second Macrease chapter six.
02:08 --> 02:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Which means that today and and and we haven't seen it as yet, but I am sorry because as you're listening to this, it would have been the state of the union last night, and I'm sure it was crap.
02:18 --> 02:19 [SPEAKER_00]: So
02:19 --> 02:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Apologies for how shitty it was and whatever it was it was it had to have been bad.
02:25 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Like let me just pretend to reaction I cannot even believe that fucking liar Trump said that whatever it was that was completely bullshit Especially about the immigration policies.
02:38 --> 02:38 [SPEAKER_00]: I
02:38 --> 02:41 [SPEAKER_02]: I know I know that you know that that shit did not happen.
02:41 --> 02:43 [SPEAKER_02]: That is so untrue.
02:43 --> 02:46 [SPEAKER_02]: He just he just exaggerates and lies.
02:46 --> 02:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the the whole the whole voting things things stuff.
02:49 --> 02:50 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not good either.
02:50 --> 02:51 [SPEAKER_00]: No kings.
02:51 --> 02:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
02:52 --> 02:53 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
02:53 --> 02:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Who the fuck does he think he is that he would say that?
02:56 --> 02:59 [SPEAKER_00]: That's our filler, that's our, that's just complaining about the state of the union.
02:59 --> 03:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
03:00 --> 03:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope, I hope maybe it was accurate.
03:02 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just.
03:02 --> 03:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Possibly.
03:03 --> 03:13 [SPEAKER_02]: But let us know after the fact that everything that we've just said is like 100% enthusiasticly and probably, all right, you ready to do this?
03:14 --> 03:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Second Macadoodles chapter seven.
03:16 --> 03:17 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the one.
03:17 --> 03:18 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the one.
03:18 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the one.
03:19 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
03:19 --> 03:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do it.
03:26 --> 03:31 [SPEAKER_02]: We are hoping into second mega doodles chapter seven.
03:32 --> 03:32 [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
03:32 --> 03:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Are you ready for this shit?
03:33 --> 03:34 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready.
03:35 --> 03:36 [SPEAKER_02]: It came to pass.
03:37 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_02]: What's up on the time?
03:38 --> 03:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
03:38 --> 03:46 [SPEAKER_02]: It came to pass that seven brothers and their mother with fox in a box and a mouse on the house.
03:47 --> 03:47 [UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
03:47 --> 03:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so I came to pass that seven brothers and a mother who are at the King's command, taken and shamedfully handled with scorches and cords.
03:57 --> 03:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Scorches, wow, was that like whipped?
03:59 --> 04:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that a scorches and cord?
04:01 --> 04:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Scorches and cords?
04:02 --> 04:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Scorches, something like they were burned.
04:04 --> 04:06 [SPEAKER_02]: They were tied up and placed in fire.
04:06 --> 04:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
04:08 --> 04:10 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, when you scored something, you burn it.
04:10 --> 04:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess, yeah.
04:12 --> 04:16 [SPEAKER_02]: To compel them to taste of the abominable swines flesh.
04:16 --> 04:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I was hoping it was the abominable spoon snowman, no, no, that, that, oh, so that they were tied up.
04:22 --> 04:25 [SPEAKER_00]: They were tied up because they were, they were like forced.
04:25 --> 04:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, with courts.
04:26 --> 04:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
04:27 --> 04:30 [SPEAKER_00]: So like they, they've had a bunch of stuff down their face.
04:30 --> 04:42 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what it reminds me of in the original sleeping, Disney sleeping beauty, where the witch is like touch the spindle and they're like eat the pork.
04:42 --> 04:43 [SPEAKER_00]: It's more than that.
04:43 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_00]: They're like forced feeding them.
04:45 --> 04:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
04:45 --> 04:48 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to make you guys fucking convert.
04:48 --> 04:59 [SPEAKER_02]: One of them made himself the spokesman and said, what would you ask and learn from us for we are ready to die rather than transgress the laws of our ancestors?
04:59 --> 05:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
05:00 --> 05:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, they're like, I will die before I eat this pork because it's not really even about the pork at the point of the fucking matter.
05:06 --> 05:09 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, I'm not going to sell my soul just to please you.
05:09 --> 05:11 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't really sound like the king's in charge of these people.
05:12 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_00]: These people are like, no, I'm going to die.
05:14 --> 05:14 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
05:15 --> 05:23 [SPEAKER_02]: The king fell into a fucking rage and commanded that pans and cold drinks be heated when these were immediate.
05:23 --> 05:24 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is going to be bad.
05:24 --> 05:25 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
05:26 --> 05:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, yeah.
05:28 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_02]: When these were meeting, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
05:41 --> 05:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
05:41 --> 05:56 [SPEAKER_02]: When these were immediately heated, he gave orders to cut out the tongue of him who had been their spokesman and to scalp him and to cut off his extremities.
05:56 --> 05:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God.
05:57 --> 06:03 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he's too moist with the rest of his brothers and his mother looking on.
06:03 --> 06:10 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what, I, I take it back, the, the giving the surgery to put the foreskin back on is not as bad as it gets.
06:10 --> 06:14 [SPEAKER_02]: No, um, this is pretty horrible.
06:14 --> 06:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
06:16 --> 06:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And, oh, God.
06:18 --> 06:22 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, like, I'm imagining and I don't want to.
06:22 --> 06:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you still imagine me.
06:23 --> 06:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not doing it on purpose.
06:25 --> 06:35 [SPEAKER_02]: And when he was utterly maimed, the king gave orders to bring him to the fire, being yet still alive and to fry him in the pan.
06:35 --> 06:36 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.
06:36 --> 06:39 [SPEAKER_02]: This is like, you're the fucking wicked witch.
06:40 --> 06:40 [SPEAKER_02]: Why?
06:40 --> 06:42 [SPEAKER_02]: The wicked witch king, sir.
06:42 --> 06:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's your majesty.
06:44 --> 06:47 [SPEAKER_02]: You are the wicked witch of this story.
06:47 --> 06:48 [SPEAKER_00]: That is terrible.
06:48 --> 06:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And as the smoke from the pants spread far, they and their mother also exhorted one another to die nobly saying this.
06:58 --> 07:10 [SPEAKER_02]: the Lord God sees and in truth is entreated for us as Moses declared in his song, which witnesses against the people to their faces saying and he will have compassion on his servants.
07:11 --> 07:13 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see much compassion.
07:13 --> 07:15 [SPEAKER_02]: God is not having much compassion.
07:15 --> 07:18 [SPEAKER_00]: That dude just lost everything and got fried up on a fucking pan.
07:18 --> 07:21 [SPEAKER_02]: in front of this parents, in front of his mom and brothers.
07:21 --> 07:24 [SPEAKER_00]: That's that's not that's terrible.
07:24 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_02]: God allowed that.
07:25 --> 07:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
07:26 --> 07:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, men did it, but it didn't have to happen.
07:29 --> 07:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
07:29 --> 07:33 [SPEAKER_00]: We're like, he swoops in sometimes to save the Israelites.
07:33 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Where where the fuck is he?
07:34 --> 07:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
07:34 --> 07:37 [SPEAKER_02]: This is grotesque.
07:38 --> 07:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
07:39 --> 07:40 [SPEAKER_02]: This is not okay.
07:40 --> 07:41 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
07:42 --> 07:56 [SPEAKER_02]: And when the first had died like this, they brought the second to the mocking and they pulled off the skin of his head with the hair and asked him, will you eat before your body has punished in every limb?
07:57 --> 07:59 [SPEAKER_02]: But he answered in the language of his ancestors.
08:00 --> 08:04 [SPEAKER_02]: So he didn't even use the common Greek answered in Hebrew.
08:05 --> 08:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And said to them, no, therefore he also underwent the next torture and succession as the first head dog.
08:12 --> 08:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Jesus.
08:13 --> 08:27 [SPEAKER_02]: When he was at the last gas piece, you miscreant releases out of this present life, but the king of the world will raise us who have died for his laws up to an everlasting renewal of life.
08:29 --> 08:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
08:30 --> 08:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I, for his sake that that is true.
08:33 --> 08:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, because that's terrible way to that.
08:35 --> 08:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
08:35 --> 08:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, wow, wow.
08:37 --> 08:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I, I, I, I, I'm trying to think if I, if I can imagine the conviction that it would take to watch your brother go through that and then choose to have it, I, I don't, I don't know, I might just need to fuck the board my soul might be for sale.
08:50 --> 08:52 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I think I might need to pork.
08:52 --> 08:57 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess I, I guess I don't really.
08:58 --> 09:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, okay, so I don't believe in God.
09:01 --> 09:04 [SPEAKER_02]: What would it take for me to be like, no, yeah, God's great.
09:04 --> 09:05 [SPEAKER_02]: God's good.
09:05 --> 09:27 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
09:27 --> 09:30 [SPEAKER_00]: The question is, where do you draw the line for what you stand up for, right?
09:30 --> 09:38 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, this eating pork, I'm just, I'm sorry, but like, if your God is anything worth worshiping, the hell, forgive you for eating pork for not getting fucking fried in a pan.
09:39 --> 09:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
09:39 --> 09:41 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, fuck you.
09:41 --> 09:44 [SPEAKER_00]: You could either come down here and say, like, you didn't say my brother.
09:45 --> 09:48 [SPEAKER_00]: So like, you're obviously not going to say me, I'm just eating the fucking pork then.
09:49 --> 10:07 [SPEAKER_02]: yeah like my soul is for sale right yeah like the question is only the price right and you know i've always heard like we're all for sale the only question is the price and what they're trying to get me to believe is that these people their soul is not for sale because they are pristine sure and i just don't believe that
10:07 --> 10:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I believe that they were very, like there is some very strong religious fanaticism out there, right?
10:14 --> 10:15 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that's fanaticism.
10:15 --> 10:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that that is based.
10:18 --> 10:21 [SPEAKER_00]: And what's that difference?
10:22 --> 10:25 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but this is not beautiful to me.
10:25 --> 10:27 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's absolutely not.
10:27 --> 10:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Not.
10:28 --> 10:40 [SPEAKER_02]: To me has beauty in it and watching your brother be killed over something like that and not standing up to live and your God not swooping in, there's no beauty in that.
10:40 --> 10:45 [SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you, but some people would say that the beauty is in the level.
10:45 --> 11:05 [SPEAKER_00]: of that belief in how stringent they held to their core values with regard to their God and and while I I just don't see the point there is there isn't there is no fucking point like you're gonna swoop in then I don't see the fucking right yeah like there's no payoff I don't see the beauty in it
11:05 --> 11:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they would say that the beauty in the payoff is in the afterlife, right?
11:09 --> 11:11 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's what a lot of religious folks would say.
11:11 --> 11:15 [SPEAKER_02]: But that's great and good, except that I don't believe in the afterlife.
11:15 --> 11:16 [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't see the beauty in it.
11:16 --> 11:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, but they do is what I'm saying.
11:18 --> 11:19 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the day I get that.
11:19 --> 11:20 [SPEAKER_02]: But...
11:21 --> 11:28 [SPEAKER_02]: They're trying to convince me look how great he is and since I don't believe in it I can't I as a non-believer.
11:29 --> 11:29 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
11:29 --> 11:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't see that is great or beautiful or strong.
11:33 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_02]: I see that as sick twisted and mental brainwashing Well, I'm furthermore he's got us come down and killed like a hundred and eighty thousand people for the Israelites before he can make a fucking pan vanish
11:45 --> 11:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
11:45 --> 11:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm sorry, but like heart and seems like spotting the heart.
11:49 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_02]: The person that made the fire squash the fire.
11:52 --> 11:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
11:52 --> 11:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, rain on the fire seem pretty easy.
11:54 --> 11:58 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I just I don't This is not cool with me.
11:59 --> 12:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Dying for your cause is one thing dying this way is a whole other fucking thing and all together.
12:04 --> 12:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess like fast death versus torture.
12:07 --> 12:08 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
12:08 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
12:09 --> 12:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh
12:10 --> 12:13 [SPEAKER_02]: After him, the third was made a victim of their mocking.
12:13 --> 12:23 [SPEAKER_02]: When he was required, he quickly put out his tongue and stretched out his hands courageously and nobly said, I got these from heaven.
12:23 --> 12:27 [SPEAKER_02]: For his laws sake, I treat these with contempt.
12:27 --> 12:29 [SPEAKER_02]: From him, I hope to receive these back again.
12:29 --> 12:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Damn, he's like, take it.
12:32 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't fucking care.
12:33 --> 12:33 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
12:34 --> 12:38 [SPEAKER_02]: Go to him, I guess, whatever, but I can't, right?
12:38 --> 12:41 [SPEAKER_00]: This, this is, there's just trying to show the level of conviction.
12:42 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, to me, it's the level of kuku.
12:45 --> 12:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
12:45 --> 12:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
12:47 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't mean to spit on anybody's religion here.
12:50 --> 12:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
12:50 --> 12:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
12:51 --> 12:52 [SPEAKER_00]: But just the fucking pork.
12:53 --> 13:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I, I'm just, you're, you are, you are intentionally causing yourself harm.
13:03 --> 13:07 [SPEAKER_02]: And it doesn't win me over.
13:07 --> 13:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Instead, it makes me look at your religion with even more disgust and disdain because your God did not come in and save you.
13:16 --> 13:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's no rational reason to go through this, right?
13:19 --> 13:27 [SPEAKER_00]: If all they're asking if it's your life or eating pork, there's no rational reason to choose your life over eating pork.
13:27 --> 13:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
13:28 --> 13:29 [SPEAKER_00]: None, like zero reason.
13:30 --> 13:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Because God should be able to fucking forgive that.
13:34 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_02]: a sin worth torture and death.
13:39 --> 13:39 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
13:39 --> 13:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And these are the things where I'm like, I, the even of God were real.
13:43 --> 13:44 [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't worship him.
13:44 --> 13:45 [SPEAKER_00]: He's expecting these things.
13:45 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
13:46 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
13:46 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
13:46 --> 13:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
13:47 --> 13:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, here is something that I could see being tortured over.
13:51 --> 13:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Sell out your child.
13:53 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_02]: No, punish me.
13:55 --> 13:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll die first.
13:55 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
13:56 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
13:56 --> 13:56 [SPEAKER_02]: You know?
13:57 --> 13:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
13:59 --> 14:01 [SPEAKER_02]: I, that probably is about it.
14:01 --> 14:11 [SPEAKER_02]: A child or my, my spouse, my partner, you know, like I think, but even at that, I think you and I would probably be like not just go ahead.
14:14 --> 14:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I just otherwise, there's got to be something bigger.
14:19 --> 14:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And I understand that to them, they're like, nobody eating pork is the same.
14:22 --> 14:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, but that's a fucking problem.
14:24 --> 14:24 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
14:24 --> 14:25 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a fucking problem.
14:25 --> 14:26 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a fucking problem.
14:26 --> 14:29 [SPEAKER_00]: If you guys are less than, if you're this in order to not eat pork is not a thing.
14:29 --> 14:36 [SPEAKER_02]: If you think that eating pork is as equal in, I have to do this.
14:36 --> 14:38 [SPEAKER_02]: This, like, you've got a whole list of things in there.
14:38 --> 14:39 [SPEAKER_02]: All equal.
14:39 --> 14:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
14:40 --> 14:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Save my child and don't eat pork and those are equal.
14:44 --> 14:45 [SPEAKER_00]: That's problematic.
14:45 --> 14:49 [SPEAKER_02]: That's problematic and weird if I'm being honest.
14:49 --> 14:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying like you should be ordering pork on all your pizza every time you go.
14:53 --> 14:54 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, yeah.
14:54 --> 14:57 [SPEAKER_02]: Like absolutely don't eat pork.
14:57 --> 15:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Until it comes to fucking torture in which case just eat the fucking pork, I'm not going to hold it against you.
15:02 --> 15:04 [SPEAKER_02]: And if God does, God's a son of a bitch.
15:05 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
15:05 --> 15:05 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
15:06 --> 15:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the fact that you think that
15:10 --> 15:11 [SPEAKER_02]: God wants you to go through that.
15:12 --> 15:14 [SPEAKER_02]: God wants you to go through that.
15:15 --> 15:15 [SPEAKER_02]: What?
15:16 --> 15:16 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
15:16 --> 15:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, then tell your God, fuck you.
15:20 --> 15:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
15:20 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
15:21 --> 15:21 [SPEAKER_00]: God.
15:21 --> 15:23 [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus is looking better every minute here, guys.
15:23 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_02]: God should not want you to go through that, y'all.
15:26 --> 15:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
15:27 --> 15:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Ooh.
15:27 --> 15:28 [SPEAKER_00]: At least light, you know, kill me quickly.
15:28 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Quickly.
15:29 --> 15:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Quickie.
15:29 --> 15:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Quickie.
15:32 --> 15:33 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what they said.
15:34 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
15:35 --> 15:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
15:35 --> 15:37 [SPEAKER_02]: I have to go off topic again real quick.
15:38 --> 15:49 [SPEAKER_02]: I just saw Sarah Silverman on Seth Myers and she said she's trying to make that's what they said a thing instead of that's what she said.
15:49 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_02]: because it's more like diverse and accepting and inclusive.
15:55 --> 15:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
15:55 --> 15:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, I'm down for that.
15:57 --> 16:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the audience was kind of mixed on it.
16:00 --> 16:02 [SPEAKER_02]: But I was like, no, I could see where she's going with that.
16:03 --> 16:03 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
16:03 --> 16:04 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, plus Sarah.
16:05 --> 16:05 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
16:05 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_02]: Plus Sarah.
16:06 --> 16:06 [SPEAKER_02]: I like her.
16:08 --> 16:09 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's what they said.
16:09 --> 16:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
16:10 --> 16:13 [SPEAKER_02]: As a result, you know, all this torture.
16:13 --> 16:15 [SPEAKER_00]: Especially especially well in the Bible.
16:15 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm.
16:17 --> 16:17 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
16:17 --> 16:18 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
16:20 --> 16:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So as a result of the third brother going take my time with hands, I don't fucking care.
16:29 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
16:30 --> 16:30 [SPEAKER_02]: God gave it.
16:30 --> 16:31 [SPEAKER_02]: God could have a back.
16:31 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_02]: What is?
16:32 --> 16:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
16:32 --> 16:33 [SPEAKER_02]: So as a result.
16:33 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Be poor.
16:34 --> 16:34 [SPEAKER_00]: You can eat this.
16:34 --> 16:43 [SPEAKER_02]: The king himself and those who were with him were astonished at the young man's soul.
16:43 --> 16:46 [SPEAKER_02]: He regarded the pains as nothing.
16:46 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I guess.
16:48 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
16:48 --> 16:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever.
16:49 --> 16:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Weirdo.
16:50 --> 16:54 [SPEAKER_02]: When he too was dead, because you know, they did go ahead and fucking kill him.
16:54 --> 16:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
16:55 --> 16:58 [SPEAKER_02]: They sheenfully handled and tortured the fourth in the same way.
16:59 --> 17:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Being near to death, he said this.
17:01 --> 17:08 [SPEAKER_02]: It is good to die at the hands of men and look for the hope which is given by God that we will be raised up again by him.
17:08 --> 17:12 [SPEAKER_00]: There's people say some really fantastic things, right, when they're dying from torture.
17:12 --> 17:29 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, do you have any poetry you would like to emit from your honeywix lips before I cut us off the tongue and hands and fry you up again, pan like bacon, and then they're like, yes, yes, I do have some poetry.
17:30 --> 17:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Listen to my great poetry, fuck off, eat a drink.
17:35 --> 17:36 [SPEAKER_02]: For as you,
17:37 --> 17:41 [SPEAKER_02]: For as for you, you will have no resurrection to life.
17:42 --> 17:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, it's talking about a resurrection.
17:43 --> 17:46 [SPEAKER_00]: Like they are talking about coming in, like being a...
17:46 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_02]: This is very early Christian.
17:48 --> 17:48 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
17:49 --> 17:58 [SPEAKER_02]: And it makes me wonder, like, how many Christians do you know would have the conviction of their belief to go through this?
17:58 --> 18:09 [SPEAKER_02]: They would claim all of this if they knew that it, you know, if they read Old Testament and macabees and stuff, they would be like, oh, yeah, totally, my god, blah, blah, blah, blah.
18:09 --> 18:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, luckily for them, Jesus died for their sins and they don't have to worry about, like, you know, claiming anything that would be this harsh, because God doesn't expect this shitting where you can wear polyesters, you can wear, you know.
18:20 --> 18:22 [SPEAKER_02]: But let's say that
18:23 --> 18:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, they, they was accused atheists of like eating babies and coming after them, right?
18:28 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's say this crazy, crazy group of atheists came out of them and was like, tell us your god is is fake and worship this calf and this golden calf that looks like Trump and what if they were like, I would never, I would never worship a golden calf that looks like Trump even though I fucking did.
18:47 --> 18:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
18:47 --> 18:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I would never.
18:48 --> 18:52 [SPEAKER_02]: And what if they were like, I'm going to torture the fuck out of you.
18:53 --> 18:53 [SPEAKER_02]: with the people do it.
18:53 --> 18:59 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, or the Christians can't buy it or would they go ahead?
19:00 --> 19:01 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the worship whatever it was.
19:01 --> 19:04 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like if the threat was real, like, you know, imminent.
19:04 --> 19:05 [SPEAKER_00]: So for sure.
19:05 --> 19:08 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, obviously they would cause they did even without threat.
19:09 --> 19:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
19:09 --> 19:11 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm sure there's somebody I'll have that wouldn't, but like, you know, whatever.
19:12 --> 19:13 [SPEAKER_00]: But they're weird.
19:13 --> 19:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so sorry, but I think it's weird if you're like, I die first into a judge.
19:18 --> 19:24 [SPEAKER_00]: There's been so many stories here in this last two chapters of people dying for not eating pork.
19:24 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I feel like this is very contrived.
19:26 --> 19:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
19:27 --> 19:31 [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, we don't eat pork and this is what we would die in a not eating pork.
19:31 --> 19:36 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like this is trying to encourage Jewish people who would relax.
19:35 --> 19:38 [SPEAKER_02]: to be like, we should never relax.
19:38 --> 19:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Remember that time when we were really fervent?
19:41 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's remind you why you should be fervent.
19:43 --> 19:43 [SPEAKER_02]: It's brave.
19:44 --> 19:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, and I got to ask you, too, because the Mac could be started killing their own people, the Jewish people, who were traders or like, bad.
19:51 --> 19:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it was the Greek Jews versus the non-greetings.
19:54 --> 19:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, but it was also people who were upholed in the Jewish laws.
19:57 --> 20:04 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, maybe, were they killing their own people that would like to side the port and sort of being fried up on a fucking pan.
20:04 --> 20:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Right, there's I'm sorry.
20:05 --> 20:06 [SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of shitty.
20:06 --> 20:18 [SPEAKER_00]: It is like if that's what they were if those were the people they were killing I don't agree with that I don't know if you have to allow for the fact that people don't want to die a horrible fucking death Right, just for not eating pork.
20:18 --> 20:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, or just for eating pork.
20:20 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever, you know, yeah, I get what you're saying.
20:22 --> 20:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
20:22 --> 20:29 [SPEAKER_02]: And here's the thing, like I have a very good Muslim friend that I like a lot, and he does not eat pork.
20:30 --> 20:33 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm so okay with that, like whatever don't eat pork.
20:33 --> 20:39 [SPEAKER_02]: I also, there's another friend of ours that is Jewish that she does not eat pork.
20:39 --> 20:42 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, okay, like I get it, y'all don't eat pork.
20:42 --> 20:42 [UNKNOWN]: All right.
20:42 --> 20:48 [SPEAKER_02]: But I would be, I don't care, like I'm not saying they require my permission, okay?
20:48 --> 20:51 [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously they don't require my permission to eat or not.
20:51 --> 20:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, or to believe and not believe whatever they do, right?
20:55 --> 21:08 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm just saying as their friend, I'm like, okay, with whatever, right up until the point that they were like, they would be like, and I would rather have my skin peeled off of me than eat it.
21:09 --> 21:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm like, hold on, what?
21:11 --> 21:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that makes any fucking sense.
21:17 --> 21:21 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I can't really stand by it.
21:21 --> 21:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Here, let me eat the fucking pork for you, question mark.
21:25 --> 21:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah.
21:26 --> 21:27 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
21:27 --> 21:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, where does, where does that end?
21:29 --> 21:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, how could I stand by them and watch that happening?
21:33 --> 21:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
21:33 --> 21:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Oof.
21:34 --> 21:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, next after him, so
21:37 --> 22:01 [SPEAKER_02]: We've had four brothers tortured and killed right up, you know, and admitted in poetry as they died human co-bobbs right they brought the fifth and shamefully handled him, but he looked toward the king and said more fuck oh yeah, so I would say if I'm dying I'm definitely first enough to fuckers in exactly I got no poetry in right yeah
22:01 --> 22:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Because you have authority among men said this strong dude, though you are corruptible, you do what you please, but don't think that our race has been forsaken by God, but hold on to your ways and see how his sovereign majesty will torture you and your descendants.
22:20 --> 22:22 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's like, you're going to get yours.
22:22 --> 22:24 [SPEAKER_02]: My God's going to get you later.
22:24 --> 22:25 [SPEAKER_00]: But not today.
22:25 --> 22:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Not today.
22:26 --> 22:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I get fried in a fucking pan.
22:27 --> 22:28 [SPEAKER_02]: My dad's taller than yours.
22:28 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_02]: And that doesn't help me today because you're about to kill me.
22:32 --> 22:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
22:33 --> 22:35 [SPEAKER_02]: One of these days, I will be around to see it.
22:35 --> 22:38 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's going to be epic when my dad kicks your dad's ass.
22:39 --> 22:41 [SPEAKER_00]: But today, I'm still such one, you know, human.
22:41 --> 22:42 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, such one, human.
22:43 --> 22:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
22:43 --> 22:45 [SPEAKER_02]: Shut the cube.
22:46 --> 22:49 [SPEAKER_02]: After him, they brought the six.
22:49 --> 22:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Did I say it right?
22:50 --> 22:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you know, close enough.
22:51 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Sixth.
22:52 --> 22:52 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
22:53 --> 22:53 [SPEAKER_00]: You said.
22:53 --> 22:54 [SPEAKER_00]: Why from six?
22:54 --> 22:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Sixth.
22:56 --> 22:56 [SPEAKER_00]: Sixth.
22:56 --> 22:57 [SPEAKER_00]: So why for struggles with this?
22:57 --> 22:58 [SPEAKER_00]: And in case you did, in case you did.
22:58 --> 23:01 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the six of them.
23:01 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't do the X and the TH.
23:03 --> 23:03 [SPEAKER_02]: The six.
23:04 --> 23:05 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't know.
23:05 --> 23:06 [SPEAKER_02]: It feels gross.
23:06 --> 23:07 [SPEAKER_02]: I hate it.
23:07 --> 23:10 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if I said it over and over again, like sixth, sixth, sixth, sixth.
23:11 --> 23:12 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, that gets a little weird, but I can do it.
23:12 --> 23:14 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care for it.
23:14 --> 23:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it's bad.
23:15 --> 23:18 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just not good.
23:18 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_02]: After him, they brought out number six.
23:21 --> 23:21 [SPEAKER_01]: Not, yeah.
23:21 --> 23:25 [SPEAKER_02]: When he was about to die, he too emitted some poetry.
23:25 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_01]: I bet he did.
23:26 --> 23:26 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
23:26 --> 23:27 [SPEAKER_02]: There's what he said.
23:27 --> 23:35 [SPEAKER_02]: OK. Don't be vainly deceived for we suffer these things for our own doings as sitting against our own God.
23:35 --> 23:45 [SPEAKER_02]: So he's saying, don't take, don't feel like you're the one that is punishing us, like you don't even get to take pride in him.
23:45 --> 23:46 [SPEAKER_00]: He probably thinks his song is about him.
23:47 --> 23:48 [SPEAKER_02]: You're so vain.
23:49 --> 23:55 [SPEAKER_02]: astounding things have come to pass, but don't think that you will be unpunished, having tried to fight against God.
23:56 --> 24:08 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, wow, wow, wow, I still, I still, I, yeah, I mean, like you said, how do you have this much conviction when you're literally be, you're going, you're going into a frying pan.
24:08 --> 24:09 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I just don't.
24:09 --> 24:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't see, I understand you believe in your God really, really strongly.
24:15 --> 24:22 [SPEAKER_00]: But you know, generally speaking, the Greeks ended up being more powerful than the Jewish folk.
24:23 --> 24:25 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the Greeks got overpowered by the woman.
24:25 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
24:26 --> 24:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
24:26 --> 24:31 [SPEAKER_00]: So you didn't win the power game and that doesn't say a whole lot for your God.
24:32 --> 24:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, now,
24:34 --> 24:48 [SPEAKER_02]: I will say that there is a minute where after this the time period that we're actually going to discuss later on, which by the time you hear this, we'll have already aired, so you don't we'll already know what I'm talking about.
24:48 --> 24:50 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
24:50 --> 24:52 [SPEAKER_02]: There is a minute where they're like, see.
24:53 --> 24:55 [SPEAKER_02]: before the Romans come in and take over.
24:55 --> 24:56 [SPEAKER_00]: No, okay, sorry.
24:56 --> 25:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, I feel like this wasn't them when he wasn't there.
25:01 --> 25:04 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, no, there wasn't time period right between.
25:04 --> 25:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh.
25:05 --> 25:06 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what we're going to talk about.
25:07 --> 25:17 [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like this was written right during that time period when they're like, see these people got punished, but the Jews really did prepare.
25:17 --> 25:19 [SPEAKER_00]: For five minutes before they got conquered.
25:19 --> 25:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
25:20 --> 25:48 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, and I'm pretty sure that's when this was written and that kind of makes me, I don't want to say laugh But it makes me feel like oh this can be well five minutes later You know But above all the mother was marvelous and worthy of honorable memory for when she watched Seven sons perishing within the space of one day She bore the site with a good courage because of her hope in the Lord.
25:48 --> 25:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God
25:49 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_02]: she exhorted each one of them in the language of their fathers filled with a noble spirit and stirring up her woman's thoughts with manly courage, because you know, only man can have courage.
26:00 --> 26:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
26:01 --> 26:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Her courage wasn't womanly.
26:02 --> 26:03 [SPEAKER_02]: It was better than womanly.
26:04 --> 26:05 [SPEAKER_02]: Womanly courage is nothing.
26:05 --> 26:07 [SPEAKER_00]: That was just manly courage.
26:07 --> 26:14 [SPEAKER_02]: She had manly courage, because we know that men are strong women and her pieces of shit garbage.
26:14 --> 26:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how you came into my womb.
26:17 --> 26:20 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't I who gave you your spirit and your life, she said.
26:20 --> 26:26 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't I who brought into order the first elements of each one of you.
26:26 --> 26:35 [SPEAKER_02]: Therefore the creator of the world who shaped the first origin of man and devised the first origin of all things.
26:35 --> 26:44 [SPEAKER_02]: Immersi gives back to you again, both your spirit and your life, as you now treat yourselves
26:44 --> 26:45 [SPEAKER_02]: malls, sake.
26:46 --> 26:47 [SPEAKER_02]: No, sake.
26:48 --> 26:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, listen, listen.
26:49 --> 26:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, listen.
26:50 --> 27:13 [SPEAKER_02]: This mother is cook Kubernetes because listen, I had to take my kid to the hospital when they were about for they had some urinary issues and we had to see a specialist and I was
27:13 --> 27:21 [SPEAKER_02]: some of the test and procedures were a bit invasive and just imagining that happening to my child.
27:21 --> 27:23 [SPEAKER_02]: And this was in a medical setting.
27:24 --> 27:30 [SPEAKER_02]: It was at a children's clinic, so they were very gentle and kind of was wonderful staff.
27:30 --> 27:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I do not mean to denigrate the medical staff in any way,
27:42 --> 27:47 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm imagining my baby being even a little bit discomforted.
27:47 --> 27:49 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
27:49 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_02]: And this woman just watched her seven sons one at a time be fucking flayed and fried.
27:57 --> 27:57 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
27:58 --> 28:00 [SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, whatever, God is good.
28:00 --> 28:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
28:01 --> 28:02 [SPEAKER_02]: Lake.
28:02 --> 28:03 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
28:03 --> 28:08 [SPEAKER_02]: That makes me feel like what must a mom like that think of me?
28:08 --> 28:09 [SPEAKER_02]: What?
28:09 --> 28:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a shit mom because I cried about what my kid was going through rather than just be like, whatever.
28:16 --> 28:17 [SPEAKER_02]: God is great.
28:17 --> 28:19 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like at this point, she's probably in shock.
28:19 --> 28:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Like there's not as much that she's saying that it would make any sense anyway.
28:23 --> 28:23 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
28:23 --> 28:25 [SPEAKER_00]: You watch seven of your kids die, you know?
28:25 --> 28:25 [UNKNOWN]: Like,
28:25 --> 28:33 [SPEAKER_02]: But how can a non-Jewish mother look at this story, look at what this mom said, and not feel a little bit judged?
28:34 --> 28:36 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, what must you think of me?
28:36 --> 28:38 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the whole past the whole point, right?
28:39 --> 28:40 [SPEAKER_00]: Their God is the best God.
28:40 --> 28:45 [SPEAKER_00]: They have the right ideas about all the things and their God is correct.
28:45 --> 28:51 [SPEAKER_00]: And therefore, they are living the most world upright stand up life that they possibly can.
28:51 --> 28:53 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm just garbage.
28:53 --> 28:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, yeah.
28:54 --> 28:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't really like that take.
28:56 --> 29:02 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't really appreciate somebody else telling me, well, I mean, you're just not Jewish.
29:02 --> 29:06 [SPEAKER_02]: If you were Jewish, you would have not cried at your child having to endure that.
29:06 --> 29:07 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say this too.
29:07 --> 29:14 [SPEAKER_00]: I made a little bit of fun of them getting fried up and stuff, but I don't disparage human life, like I don't think I'm not making light of it.
29:14 --> 29:15 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think this really happened.
29:16 --> 29:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, I'm not saying people didn't die for not even pork, that might have happened.
29:19 --> 29:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But like, this is a very, this story is kind of ridiculous.
29:24 --> 29:26 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
29:26 --> 29:42 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure a lot of people were forced to try to go against their beliefs and were tortured and punished in such fashion, but this exact story of these seven sons and the mother watching and saying, I'm going to get this great.
29:42 --> 29:43 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe this actually happened.
29:43 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
29:44 --> 29:44 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
29:44 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_02]: And moreover, I feel like it's a slap in the face to every mother who ever cried, watching her child in pain.
29:51 --> 29:51 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
29:51 --> 30:05 [SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, somebody trying to impart strength and godliness into this story through this massive conviction to their God.
30:05 --> 30:07 [SPEAKER_00]: And it just doesn't
30:07 --> 30:24 [SPEAKER_00]: doesn't track you know like that you couldn't get seven people to get I'm sorry you watch you watch your brother go in you're gonna fucking eat the pork I promise you know like not not all of many wait not all of them aren't gonna choose to die forever it's along the same lines of modern day Christians being like
30:24 --> 30:27 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, his diabetes was healed, prayer works.
30:27 --> 30:28 [SPEAKER_02]: God is good.
30:28 --> 30:39 [SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, my nephew has diabetes, you know, the deadly kind where he has to, you know, monitor his blood sugar type one.
30:39 --> 30:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And
30:41 --> 31:07 [SPEAKER_02]: have regular doses of insulin and all of that and you know he's been on you know death watch before because of it and was diagnosed when he was two so this isn't like a diet or exercise thing this is a literal disease and whereas I am an atheist my sister and her husband are staunch
31:07 --> 31:10 [SPEAKER_02]: God is good, prayer works.
31:10 --> 31:11 [SPEAKER_02]: What are you fucking trying to say?
31:11 --> 31:13 [SPEAKER_02]: They just didn't love their son enough.
31:13 --> 31:15 [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't pray hard enough.
31:15 --> 31:16 [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
31:16 --> 31:17 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what this smacks of.
31:18 --> 31:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, okay, I'm making this about me and I'm making this about my sister.
31:22 --> 31:28 [SPEAKER_02]: But isn't that what you're supposed to do with Bible is take it and make it about you?
31:28 --> 31:30 [SPEAKER_02]: How would you live your life?
31:30 --> 31:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's what these Bible stories are for, right?
31:33 --> 31:35 [SPEAKER_02]: It's to show us how to live.
31:35 --> 31:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, what you're telling me is that I'm supposed to look at either either my nephew has diabetes and stuff because my sister and her husband didn't pray or hard enough or he's being punished because I'm an atheist or also it's in God's plan.
31:53 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just got like any number of those explanations is what would be given me on any given day, right?
32:00 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
32:00 --> 32:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
32:00 --> 32:02 [SPEAKER_02]: like, I'm sorry, fuck you.
32:02 --> 32:06 [SPEAKER_02]: You're God sucks and shit sucks and shit happens.
32:06 --> 32:12 [SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes bad things happen to good people and sometimes good things happen to bad people.
32:13 --> 32:15 [SPEAKER_02]: And I, oh, I'm sorry.
32:15 --> 32:17 [SPEAKER_02]: I get worked up.
32:17 --> 32:18 [SPEAKER_02]: This story pisses me off.
32:18 --> 32:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
32:19 --> 32:23 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like being judged as a mom and I don't like other good moms being judged.
32:23 --> 32:24 [UNKNOWN]: Right.
32:24 --> 32:40 [SPEAKER_02]: But entire kiss, you know, the OG villain, thinking himself to be despised, as he was, and suspecting the reproachful voice, while the youngest was yet alive, oh, I'm sorry, only six had been killed tonight.
32:41 --> 32:41 [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
32:42 --> 32:42 [SPEAKER_03]: All right.
32:42 --> 33:03 [SPEAKER_02]: While the youngest was yet alive, didn't only make his appeal to him by words, but also at the same time promised with oaths that he would enrich him and raise him to high honor if he would turn from the ways of his ancestors, and that he would take him for his friend and entrust him with public affairs.
33:04 --> 33:05 [SPEAKER_00]: I bet he still says no.
33:05 --> 33:15 [SPEAKER_02]: I bet you're right, but when the young man would in no way listen, the king called to him his mother and urged her to advise the youth to save himself.
33:16 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_02]: And she, she told him just good night, I bet she's like, no son, stand firm.
33:22 --> 33:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
33:22 --> 33:25 [SPEAKER_02]: You go ahead and get your tongue cut out and be tortured.
33:25 --> 33:26 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd be like, so for it.
33:26 --> 33:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you say what you got to say?
33:28 --> 33:29 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to long vacation never come back.
33:30 --> 33:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
33:31 --> 33:32 [SPEAKER_02]: I love you.
33:32 --> 33:33 [SPEAKER_02]: I want you to live.
33:33 --> 33:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
33:34 --> 33:47 [SPEAKER_02]: When he had urged her with many words, she undertook to persuade her son, but betting toward him, laughing the cruel tyrant to scorn, she spoke this in the language of her father.
33:48 --> 33:49 [SPEAKER_02]: So when he bruised, she said,
33:49 --> 33:58 [SPEAKER_02]: My son have pity upon me who carried you nine months in my womb and nursed you three years and nourished and brought you up to this age and sustained you.
33:58 --> 34:09 [SPEAKER_02]: I beg you my child to lift your eyes to the sky and the earth and to see all things that are in it and thus to recognize that God made them not of things that were.
34:09 --> 34:24 [SPEAKER_02]: and that the race of men in this way comes into being don't be afraid of this butcher, but proving yourself worthy of your brothers, accept your death that in God's mercy, I may receive you again with your brothers.
34:25 --> 34:27 [SPEAKER_02]: So she's like, yeah, die.
34:27 --> 34:28 [SPEAKER_02]: What are your death?
34:28 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
34:29 --> 34:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Stanford.
34:30 --> 34:32 [SPEAKER_00]: I did hear in there that she nursed them for three years.
34:33 --> 34:34 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that normal?
34:35 --> 34:38 [SPEAKER_02]: I bet that it surely would have been, yeah, okay, all right.
34:38 --> 34:43 [SPEAKER_02]: In Australia, if I'm not mistaken, many people still nurse till three or four.
34:44 --> 34:44 [SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
34:44 --> 34:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Even, yeah.
34:45 --> 34:50 [SPEAKER_00]: I just seem to, I know, most blight no don't nurse their kids that long, so that's better.
34:50 --> 34:56 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, here in America, we try to get them off the boob as fast as possible so that we can get back to work.
34:56 --> 34:58 [SPEAKER_02]: We got to get we're busy.
34:58 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_02]: We're data night Barbie.
35:00 --> 35:00 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
35:00 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_02]: We girls can do anything as long as it's always earning money and keeping the house clean at the same time That baby got to get off the tip.
35:09 --> 35:09 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
35:10 --> 35:19 [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's why they Really push breasts is better than bottle and blah blah blah and they really like I have mixed feelings about both ways.
35:19 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
35:20 --> 35:20 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
35:20 --> 35:22 [SPEAKER_02]: They really
35:22 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_02]: They really urge you, please go at least six months, and then they also say, not only is breast better than bottle, but you're a crap mom if you don't do it at all.
35:37 --> 35:37 [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
35:38 --> 35:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, there's lots of moms who can't.
35:42 --> 35:42 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
35:43 --> 35:48 [SPEAKER_02]: But before she had finished speaking, the young man said, what are you all waiting for?
35:48 --> 35:55 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't obey the commandment of the king, but I listened to the commandment of the law that was given to our fathers through Moses.
35:55 --> 36:01 [SPEAKER_02]: But you who have devised all kinds of evil against the Hebrews will in no way escape God's hands.
36:02 --> 36:05 [SPEAKER_02]: For we are suffering because of our own sins.
36:05 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_02]: Who's speaking right now?
36:07 --> 36:07 [SPEAKER_00]: The mother, I think.
36:08 --> 36:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Before she had finished the young man said,
36:14 --> 36:26 [SPEAKER_02]: For we are suffering because of our own sins, if for rebuke and chasening, our living Lord has been ingrid a little while yet he will again be reconciled with his own servants.
36:26 --> 36:38 [SPEAKER_02]: But you, oh, unholy man and of all most vile, don't be vainly lifted up in your wild pride with uncertain hopes raising your hand against the heavenly children.
36:39 --> 36:44 [SPEAKER_02]: For you have not yet escaped the judgment of the Almighty God who sees all things.
36:44 --> 36:51 [SPEAKER_02]: This is so boring as he just like blah blah blah God is great and you fucking suck Mr. King.
36:51 --> 36:52 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
36:52 --> 36:53 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that what he's saying?
36:53 --> 37:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Basically for these our brothers having endured a short pain that brings everlasting life have now died under God's covenant but you through God's judgment will receive and just measures the penalties of your arrogance.
37:10 --> 37:15 [SPEAKER_00]: They definitely have switched over to talking about I belastied my, I mean, like, that's been a progression.
37:16 --> 37:18 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like we talked about it near the end of the Old Testament.
37:18 --> 37:21 [SPEAKER_00]: Now we're definitely talking about it in the last day of my life.
37:21 --> 37:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely and everlasting life and definitely like a life after death.
37:25 --> 37:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and this is not, that's not been the way it was through the whole Old Testament.
37:29 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_00]: There's been, there was hints at it, sort of, maybe you could construe that way, but it not like a direct until like the last portion of the Bible.
37:40 --> 37:40 [SPEAKER_02]: early.
37:40 --> 37:42 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this time frame actually.
37:42 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this time frame.
37:43 --> 37:43 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
37:43 --> 38:00 [SPEAKER_02]: But I, as my brothers, give up both body and soul for the laws of our fathers, calling upon God that he may speedily become gracious to the nation and that you, amidst trials and plagues, may confess that he alone is God,
38:00 --> 38:11 [SPEAKER_02]: And that in me and my brothers, you may bring to an end the wrath of the Almighty, which has been justly brought upon our whole race.
38:12 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_02]: But the king, following into a rage, handled him worse than all the rest.
38:16 --> 38:16 [SPEAKER_00]: I bet.
38:17 --> 38:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
38:17 --> 38:18 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he offered him everything.
38:18 --> 38:19 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
38:19 --> 38:22 [SPEAKER_02]: So being exasperated at his mocking.
38:23 --> 38:26 [SPEAKER_02]: So he died pure, putting his whole trust in the Lord.
38:26 --> 38:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Last of all, after her sons, the mother died, I'm surprised you didn't have a fucking heart attack for being right.
38:32 --> 38:41 [SPEAKER_02]: Let it then suffice to have said thus much concerning the sacrificial feast and the extreme torches the end.
38:41 --> 38:46 [SPEAKER_00]: So like a whole fucking chapter on on torturing people, that's just one family.
38:46 --> 38:47 [SPEAKER_00]: Just one family, yeah.
38:47 --> 38:49 [SPEAKER_02]: A mom in her seven sons.
38:49 --> 38:51 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that was a bit unnecessary.
38:51 --> 38:53 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like you might be right.
38:53 --> 38:54 [SPEAKER_00]: But what do I know?
38:55 --> 38:56 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, seven is a magical number.
38:56 --> 38:57 [SPEAKER_00]: It is for the Bible.
38:58 --> 38:59 [SPEAKER_00]: Very much so we've talked about that before.
38:59 --> 39:00 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:00 --> 39:08 [SPEAKER_02]: It makes me think of that Disney movie, seven brides for seven, no seven, seven brides for seven brothers.
39:09 --> 39:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that what it is?
39:10 --> 39:12 [SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea what's talking about.
39:12 --> 39:13 [SPEAKER_02]: Are you serious?
39:13 --> 39:16 [SPEAKER_02]: There's, there's this old Disney movie.
39:16 --> 39:19 [SPEAKER_02]: And these seven brothers live out in the wild somewhere.
39:19 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_02]: OK. And they need brights because, you know, yeah, because their guys may need brights.
39:25 --> 39:25 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
39:26 --> 39:28 [SPEAKER_02]: And you just go get some brights, you know?
39:28 --> 39:29 [SPEAKER_02]: So they went and they got,
39:29 --> 39:30 [SPEAKER_02]: Seven.
39:30 --> 39:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Why not girlfriend.
39:31 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_00]: You go get bright.
39:32 --> 39:32 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
39:32 --> 39:34 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they ordered some right.
39:34 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_02]: And the Brides came into the forest and live with them and it's Disney.
39:38 --> 39:38 [SPEAKER_02]: It's Disney.
39:38 --> 39:39 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's pretty.
39:39 --> 39:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
39:39 --> 39:41 [SPEAKER_02]: And cute and singing lots of singing.
39:41 --> 39:43 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's been it all worked out.
39:43 --> 39:44 [SPEAKER_00]: It was all great.
39:45 --> 39:45 [SPEAKER_02]: It did.
39:45 --> 39:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It's great.
39:46 --> 39:47 [SPEAKER_00]: But they're birds.
39:48 --> 39:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably, and again, this Disney is live action not Oh, so there wasn't like actual landing on their their hands and stuff.
39:55 --> 39:57 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but they're funny.
39:57 --> 39:58 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're singing Do it.
39:58 --> 40:00 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, there's a musical.
40:00 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_02]: That is a Disney.
40:01 --> 40:01 [SPEAKER_02]: Da.
40:02 --> 40:02 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah
40:02 --> 40:05 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, it was a musical.
40:05 --> 40:06 [SPEAKER_00]: No being fried in the frying pan.
40:07 --> 40:07 [SPEAKER_00]: No, none of that.
40:07 --> 40:10 [SPEAKER_02]: Things were being fried in frying pan, but it wasn't people.
40:10 --> 40:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
40:10 --> 40:11 [SPEAKER_02]: That is that.
40:11 --> 40:13 [SPEAKER_02]: We know of right now.
40:13 --> 40:16 [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of want to look up to the symbolism in it.
40:16 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, seven brides for seven lives.
40:18 --> 40:18 [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
40:19 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
40:19 --> 40:19 [SPEAKER_00]: Good.
40:19 --> 40:20 [SPEAKER_00]: Good seven.
40:20 --> 40:22 [SPEAKER_00]: Brides for wives.
40:22 --> 40:23 [SPEAKER_02]: No.
40:23 --> 40:25 [SPEAKER_02]: Seven brides for seven brothers.
40:25 --> 40:26 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what it's called.
40:26 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
40:27 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
40:27 --> 40:27 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
40:28 --> 40:28 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah.
40:28 --> 40:29 [SPEAKER_00]: It's got the biblical seven in there.
40:29 --> 40:30 [SPEAKER_02]: that's what I'm saying.
40:30 --> 40:35 [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe that was like a tongue-and-cheek on this.
40:35 --> 40:40 [SPEAKER_02]: These, these seven, they got tortured and died, but those seven and the Disney movie.
40:40 --> 40:42 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is not the only place of seven that's mentioned.
40:43 --> 40:44 [SPEAKER_02]: But that was seven brothers.
40:44 --> 40:46 [SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was.
40:47 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm saying.
40:48 --> 40:48 [SPEAKER_00]: It was.
40:49 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_02]: It was seven brothers.
40:50 --> 40:50 [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
40:51 --> 40:52 [SPEAKER_02]: Right?
40:52 --> 40:54 [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
40:54 --> 40:56 [SPEAKER_02]: Why did they, why was there seven?
40:57 --> 41:00 [SPEAKER_00]: This was there, this is what they got once they got to heaven.
41:01 --> 41:01 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
41:01 --> 41:02 [SPEAKER_00]: You got their seven brides.
41:03 --> 41:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
41:03 --> 41:04 [SPEAKER_00]: This is them in heaven.
41:05 --> 41:05 [SPEAKER_00]: God.
41:05 --> 41:07 [SPEAKER_00]: The frying pan is what they came out of.
41:10 --> 41:11 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
41:11 --> 41:13 [SPEAKER_02]: I got to look it up now.
41:13 --> 41:19 [SPEAKER_00]: We could wrap a whole, you know, mock you, uh, whatever mockumentary about it.
41:20 --> 41:21 [SPEAKER_00]: This is actually what it's about.
41:21 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_00]: It's actually about this story from the Bible.
41:22 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm on this.
41:22 --> 41:22 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm on this.
41:23 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm on this.
41:23 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm on this.
41:23 --> 41:23 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm on this.
41:23 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm on this.
41:24 --> 41:24 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm on this.
41:25 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm on this.
41:25 --> 41:25 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm on this.
41:25 --> 41:27 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm tick-tock and we can make the rounds and all the things.
41:27 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
41:28 --> 41:28 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
41:29 --> 41:29 [SPEAKER_02]: Before it.
41:30 --> 41:30 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
41:30 --> 41:31 [SPEAKER_00]: Was that that?
41:31 --> 41:32 [SPEAKER_00]: Was that all there was thing?
41:32 --> 41:33 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank God.
41:34 --> 41:34 [SPEAKER_00]: or not.
41:34 --> 41:35 [SPEAKER_00]: God is good.
41:35 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_00]: But anyways, yeah.
41:37 --> 41:37 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
41:38 --> 41:41 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was second back meet chapter 7.
41:41 --> 41:45 [SPEAKER_00]: Which means that next time we will be back with.
41:45 --> 41:47 [SPEAKER_02]: Second Macadudos chapter 8.
41:48 --> 41:48 [SPEAKER_00]: All right.
41:48 --> 41:49 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you then.
