Amos Chapter 1: Bible Study by Atheists

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[00:01:18] Wife!

[00:01:18] It's been a minute.

[00:01:20] Do you know where we are?

[00:01:22] Well, we just...

[00:01:23] Not just.

[00:01:24] We kind of slacked.

[00:01:26] So it's been like a week, I think.

[00:01:28] But we finished Joel.

[00:01:30] We did.

[00:01:31] We finished George and Jeff and Geoff.

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[00:01:37] It's just Joel.

[00:01:38] But anyway, so what are we...

[00:01:42] What are we getting into today?

[00:01:44] A mouse.

[00:02:13] Amos.

[00:02:15] Amos.

[00:02:16] Amos.

[00:02:17] Amos.

[00:02:18] Crap.

[00:02:19] Yeah.

[00:02:19] He's a guy and we're going to talk about him and intro the book and then we're going

[00:02:25] to read chapter one.

[00:02:26] All right.

[00:02:27] You ready to do this?

[00:02:28] I suppose I am.

[00:02:29] Let's do it.

[00:02:30] Okie dokie.

[00:02:38] All right.

[00:02:38] Let's get into this Amos.

[00:02:41] Amos.

[00:02:42] Amos.

[00:02:43] Amos.

[00:02:44] According to the Bible, Amos was an older contemporary of Hosehead, Hosea and Isaiah.

[00:02:50] Oh, okay.

[00:02:51] And Isaiah.

[00:02:52] Hosea and Isaiah.

[00:02:54] That's not confusing at all.

[00:02:55] Nope.

[00:02:55] That's why I called him Hosehead.

[00:02:57] Yeah.

[00:02:57] Hosehead and Isaiah.

[00:02:59] Right.

[00:02:59] So he was active about 750 BCE during the reign of Jeroboam, which was 788 to 747 BCE of

[00:03:11] Samaria, North Israel.

[00:03:14] Okay.

[00:03:15] Yeah.

[00:03:15] While Uzziah was king of Judah.

[00:03:18] Got it.

[00:03:19] That's a lot of years and names.

[00:03:20] It really is.

[00:03:21] It really is.

[00:03:21] It really is.

[00:03:21] And moreover, like I remember when we were reading Hosea that we don't really know what

[00:03:28] the time frames were on shit.

[00:03:30] Yeah.

[00:03:30] So like to say that they're contemporaries or whatever, or peers, or I don't know.

[00:03:34] It's all questionable.

[00:03:35] That's questionable at best.

[00:03:36] At best.

[00:03:37] Yeah.

[00:03:37] And especially when you said the Bible says.

[00:03:39] Yeah.

[00:03:40] Oh, okay.

[00:03:41] Okay.

[00:03:41] I hear you.

[00:03:44] Amos is said to have lived in the kingdom of Judah, but he preached in the northern kingdom

[00:03:50] of Israel with themes of social justice, God's omnipotence, and divine judgments.

[00:03:56] I see.

[00:03:57] Those became staples of prophecy.

[00:03:59] Okay.

[00:04:00] Okay.

[00:04:00] According to the book's superscription, he was from Takao.

[00:04:05] Okay.

[00:04:06] A town in Judah that was south of Jerusalem.

[00:04:09] Got it.

[00:04:10] But his prophetic mission was in the northern kingdom.

[00:04:12] So this guy was like the first, what do you call the people that go missionary?

[00:04:16] Missionary.

[00:04:16] He was the first missionary.

[00:04:17] Yeah.

[00:04:18] Yeah.

[00:04:18] He was all over the world.

[00:04:19] Yeah.

[00:04:19] Land.

[00:04:20] Right.

[00:04:21] Little.

[00:04:22] Although I guess other people have gone to other places to preach in the Bible, but

[00:04:25] this is the first one that I've heard kind of like in the sense that he's like going

[00:04:28] there.

[00:04:29] Right.

[00:04:29] I'm going to go there to those lost people in the northern tribes, you know.

[00:04:34] Sure.

[00:04:34] It's just kind of funny because you know what we know about that.

[00:04:37] So.

[00:04:37] Right.

[00:04:37] Right.

[00:04:38] He is called a shepherd.

[00:04:40] Oh, okay.

[00:04:41] Okay.

[00:04:41] You know, that's what they're always called.

[00:04:43] He's tending his flock.

[00:04:44] Right.

[00:04:44] As they like to say.

[00:04:46] And a dresser of sycamore trees.

[00:04:50] Okay.

[00:04:51] I hate it when the sycamores are naked.

[00:04:53] Right.

[00:04:53] Fucking.

[00:04:54] It's embarrassing for them, you know.

[00:04:55] I hate it.

[00:04:56] Yeah.

[00:04:57] It's embarrassing for me.

[00:04:58] Right.

[00:04:59] I mean, who wouldn't be embarrassed being around naked sycamores, you know.

[00:05:02] I mean, I'm a little bit of a prude.

[00:05:03] I don't need to see what's happening under a sycamore's wherewithal.

[00:05:09] What the fuck is a sycamore dresser?

[00:05:11] Like what the what does that mean even?

[00:05:13] I don't know.

[00:05:13] Okay.

[00:05:14] The book's literary qualities suggest a man of education rather than a poor farmer.

[00:05:19] I would imagine that the case if you know they're preaching the Bible or not the Bible.

[00:05:24] It's not the Bible back then.

[00:05:26] Right.

[00:05:26] If they're preaching the Torah or, you know, whatever.

[00:05:29] So God's law.

[00:05:30] God's law.

[00:05:31] Yeah.

[00:05:32] In recent years, scholars have grown a little bit more skeptical.

[00:05:37] No way.

[00:05:38] Of the book of Amos's presentation of Amos's biography and background.

[00:05:42] I can't imagine why that would have happened.

[00:05:46] Probably rational thought if I had to guess.

[00:05:49] And access to information.

[00:05:51] Yeah.

[00:05:52] You know, it's amazing what this world.

[00:05:56] Has done to the Bible.

[00:05:57] It basically proves that it's just a bunch of crap.

[00:06:01] Yeah.

[00:06:02] You know, I mean not.

[00:06:03] Look, I know.

[00:06:04] I know.

[00:06:05] We're supposed to like admit, you know, it has some beauty to it and whatever.

[00:06:09] But go relevance the way that the scrolls are.

[00:06:13] For sure.

[00:06:14] Sure.

[00:06:14] Sure.

[00:06:15] For the Egyptian gods.

[00:06:16] And again, we've talked about this before.

[00:06:18] And in the context of a book and information that would be accessed outside of contemporary thought.

[00:06:28] Right.

[00:06:29] Like something that was gone to history.

[00:06:31] Yeah.

[00:06:32] I could view it in such a light.

[00:06:34] Maybe.

[00:06:35] Right.

[00:06:35] Right.

[00:06:36] But given the fact that it is still relevant to many people and the laws that they're trying to push.

[00:06:41] Yeah.

[00:06:42] I cannot view it that way.

[00:06:44] Cannot.

[00:06:45] No.

[00:06:45] Cannot.

[00:06:46] So the book of Amos is known for its distinct sinister tone.

[00:06:51] Oh, that's saying a lot, actually.

[00:06:54] And the violent portrayal of God.

[00:06:58] So it's.

[00:06:59] Hmm.

[00:07:00] Yeah.

[00:07:01] I'm a little I'm a little worried about this because.

[00:07:04] We're not pretending at all.

[00:07:05] In this book, he is going to tell you straight out that everything sucks.

[00:07:11] You're going to die.

[00:07:12] And here's how.

[00:07:13] And you're going to burn in hell.

[00:07:15] OK.

[00:07:16] OK.

[00:07:16] Yeah.

[00:07:16] Yeah.

[00:07:16] He's going to lay it out.

[00:07:18] Got it.

[00:07:18] OK.

[00:07:18] Yeah.

[00:07:19] It's not going to hold back.

[00:07:20] Right.

[00:07:20] It seems that Amos announced most, if not all of his message in Bethel, an important religious

[00:07:27] and commercial center near Israel's southern border.

[00:07:31] OK.

[00:07:31] He gained the attention of his audience.

[00:07:34] He's going to be a man.

[00:07:35] He's going to be a man.

[00:07:36] He's going to be a man.

[00:07:37] He's going to be a man.

[00:07:38] He's going to be a man.

[00:07:38] And he's going to be a man.

[00:07:38] And that's how it starts.

[00:07:39] That's how the first chapter starts.

[00:07:40] OK.

[00:07:41] This news, no doubt, pleased his listeners.

[00:07:44] But for Amos, it was part of his buildup to the climax, which announced God's judgment

[00:07:50] on Israel.

[00:07:50] You know, I have to stop you there because part of my disdain of Christians in the world

[00:07:59] that exists today is their glee of the downfall of their enemies.

[00:08:04] The happiness that they enjoy because their enemies fall.

[00:08:08] Yeah.

[00:08:09] Right.

[00:08:09] I cannot imagine being that person who takes so much joy in the downfall of others.

[00:08:16] Right.

[00:08:17] Here's the thing.

[00:08:18] Like, you know, there was that whole thing where Trump has been almost assassinated twice

[00:08:25] or whatever.

[00:08:26] Yeah.

[00:08:27] Unquestionable.

[00:08:27] But OK, let's call it whatever.

[00:08:30] Yeah.

[00:08:31] There's a difference between being like super duper happy, gleeful, excited and like

[00:08:39] cackling maniacally.

[00:08:41] Yeah.

[00:08:41] Versus just like, well, I ain't sad that happened.

[00:08:45] You know what I mean?

[00:08:46] Like they would be so fucking like, oh, like they were telling so many jokes about when Nancy

[00:08:53] Pelosi's husband got bashed in, got his head bashed in.

[00:08:57] Right.

[00:08:58] They were so happy.

[00:08:59] They found it hysterical that this man got hurt.

[00:09:03] They thought it was the funniest thing.

[00:09:04] No, I get it.

[00:09:05] And look, I'm going to play devil's advocate here a little bit because there was a lot

[00:09:09] of jokes about Trump, too.

[00:09:10] There was.

[00:09:11] Right.

[00:09:11] And and I'm not saying that basically what I'm saying is that none of that is OK when

[00:09:17] it comes to being human.

[00:09:18] Right.

[00:09:19] And it's not a matter of whether or not it's OK or not OK, but it's a matter of what Christians

[00:09:26] claim their God stands for.

[00:09:29] Yeah.

[00:09:29] Right.

[00:09:30] And they claim that it is a God of love, a God of peace, a God of acceptance.

[00:09:36] Now, I know we're in the Old Testament still.

[00:09:38] So it also depends on who you ask, because in recent years, it has come to pass that Jesus

[00:09:46] is now too woke and they no longer there is a large group of them.

[00:09:51] The Magus Christians that no longer say that God is a God of love and peace and forgiveness

[00:09:58] and all that.

[00:09:59] They say that, no, God is a vengeful, mean son of a bitch.

[00:10:04] OK.

[00:10:04] So, you know, they've gone old school on us.

[00:10:07] They've gone back to the OT where we are.

[00:10:10] OK.

[00:10:11] So I just tracks.

[00:10:12] I guess.

[00:10:13] I guess.

[00:10:14] I'm not saying it's OK or that I like it.

[00:10:16] I just I can't I can't get on board with it.

[00:10:18] That's all like it's not like this, this type of rhetoric where you're talking about

[00:10:22] hating people because they don't believe in your God or they don't agree with you or

[00:10:26] they're different from you.

[00:10:27] Right.

[00:10:28] It's dangerous.

[00:10:28] Right.

[00:10:29] And here it is in the in in the Torah, in the Bible.

[00:10:34] And it's it's exactly the kind of shit that we're fighting against today.

[00:10:40] This this just inherent hate for people who are different or other.

[00:10:44] Yeah.

[00:10:45] You know, and and I just that it's right here, you know, right off the bat.

[00:10:51] Yep.

[00:10:51] Like I haven't even started it yet.

[00:10:53] Yeah.

[00:10:53] No, I know.

[00:10:53] You're already like.

[00:10:55] No, I know.

[00:10:55] I know this guy.

[00:10:58] This guy over here.

[00:10:59] It's been it's been a few days since we've read the Bible.

[00:11:02] So I'm I'm amped up, you know?

[00:11:04] Yeah.

[00:11:04] The first three nations that Amos condemned were foreign nations unrelated to Israel.

[00:11:10] So the next three were relatives of Israel, thus bringing the judgment nearer, closer to home.

[00:11:18] Yeah.

[00:11:18] OK.

[00:11:19] Edom was descended from Esau.

[00:11:22] Amom and Moab were descended from Lot.

[00:11:25] And we're going to hear about those guys.

[00:11:28] Yeah.

[00:11:28] OK.

[00:11:28] But we already kind of know how they feel about those guys.

[00:11:31] Yeah.

[00:11:31] It's OK.

[00:11:31] Right.

[00:11:32] Judgment became uncomfortably close when Israel's sister nation Judah was condemned.

[00:11:40] Finally, Israel was condemned.

[00:11:43] The announcement of judgment was longer for Israel than for any other nation.

[00:11:48] Yet it was only an introduction to the series of messages concerning Israel that fills up the rest of the book.

[00:11:55] Oh.

[00:11:55] OK.

[00:11:56] OK.

[00:11:56] All right.

[00:11:57] So we are going to get started now reading.

[00:11:59] Chapter one.

[00:12:01] Chapter one.

[00:12:01] Yeah.

[00:12:01] OK.

[00:12:02] So don't forget.

[00:12:03] It starts with just we're condemning the neighbors.

[00:12:06] OK.

[00:12:06] Yeah.

[00:12:06] The words of Amos, one of the shepherds of Tekoa, the vision he saw concerning Israel two years before the earthquake, when Uzziah was king of Judah and Jeroboam, son of Joash, was king of Israel.

[00:12:21] The way this starts out, it just sounds like somebody is telling the tale of Amos.

[00:12:27] OK.

[00:12:28] Let me explain.

[00:12:30] OK.

[00:12:30] Because you're right, but for the wrong reason.

[00:12:33] OK.

[00:12:33] So what I just read to you here is listed as the first verse.

[00:12:41] Yeah.

[00:12:41] In other translations, like the Septuagint, I believe.

[00:12:47] I can't remember.

[00:12:47] It's the Septuagint or the other one.

[00:12:49] OK.

[00:12:49] The Vulgate.

[00:12:50] Yeah.

[00:12:51] In one of either the Latin or the Greek.

[00:12:53] I forget which one.

[00:12:55] The Greek is the Septuagint.

[00:12:56] So the Vulgate is the Latin.

[00:12:57] Vulgate is the Latin.

[00:12:58] Yeah.

[00:12:58] But in one of them, I can't remember which one.

[00:13:02] This is the superscript, meaning the intro.

[00:13:05] OK.

[00:13:06] OK.

[00:13:06] Not this one.

[00:13:07] So this is OK.

[00:13:08] All right.

[00:13:09] Sorry.

[00:13:09] Sorry to judge right off the bat.

[00:13:11] No, that's OK.

[00:13:11] And that's a good question.

[00:13:13] And I'm glad that you asked it because I meant to say something about that.

[00:13:17] Because in the intro that I gave, I mentioned the superscript, but then kind of glazed right over it because, you know, you were going off.

[00:13:26] Yeah.

[00:13:27] This is the intro to the intro, basically.

[00:13:29] Yeah.

[00:13:30] Again, here it's listed as verse one.

[00:13:32] Is it a verse?

[00:13:33] No.

[00:13:34] It should just be like considered an intro.

[00:13:36] Got it.

[00:13:37] OK.

[00:13:37] Yep.

[00:13:37] So anyway, blah, blah, blah.

[00:13:39] These are the words of Amos.

[00:13:41] Yeah.

[00:13:41] And here who he is and who is reigning and ruling.

[00:13:45] Got it.

[00:13:47] OK.

[00:13:48] He said, the Lord roars from Zion and thunders from Jerusalem.

[00:13:53] The pastures of the shepherds dry up and the top of Carmel withers.

[00:13:59] This is what the Lord says.

[00:14:01] OK.

[00:14:02] For three sins of Damascus, even for four, I will not relent because she threshed Gilead with sledges having iron teeth.

[00:14:12] I will send fire on the house of Heziel that will consume the fortresses of Ben-Hadad.

[00:14:20] Wow.

[00:14:21] This is so old school.

[00:14:23] Yeah.

[00:14:24] Yeah.

[00:14:24] Like this doesn't have any real bearing on anything today.

[00:14:29] Right.

[00:14:30] So this is just such a.

[00:14:32] Out of place.

[00:14:33] Yeah.

[00:14:33] I'm really disappointed that we like got so far, you know, reading the books of Samuel and then Kings and then Chronicles.

[00:14:45] Right.

[00:14:45] Right.

[00:14:45] And then after that, like we just got into all of these guys.

[00:14:49] And like the more that we read, like the further back they go.

[00:14:53] It's like we go all this far in the history.

[00:14:56] And now they're like, just kidding.

[00:14:58] And we're going further and further back with each.

[00:15:01] It's like they just stapled a bunch of shit at the end.

[00:15:02] They're like, we want to kind of put this in there.

[00:15:04] So there it is.

[00:15:05] There's a reason.

[00:15:06] Right.

[00:15:06] These are the minor.

[00:15:08] They're like an afterthought.

[00:15:10] Yeah.

[00:15:10] I will break down the gate of Damascus.

[00:15:13] I will destroy the king who is in the Valley of Avon and the one who holds the scepter in Beth Eden.

[00:15:21] The people of Aram will go into exile to Kerr, says the Lord.

[00:15:27] This is what the Lord says.

[00:15:30] For three sins of Gaza, even for four, I will not relent because she took captive whole communities and sold them to Edom.

[00:15:38] I will send fire on the walls of Gaza that will consume her fortresses.

[00:15:43] I will destroy the king of Ashdod and the one who holds the scepter in Ashkelon.

[00:15:50] I will turn my hand against Ekron till the last of the Philistines are dead, says the sovereign Lord.

[00:15:57] I'd like to just point out that the words that we're using here, they are very maybe not great.

[00:16:06] Great.

[00:16:07] These could be construed in a modern sense with them fighting, God destroying Gaza.

[00:16:15] Sending fire on the walls of Gaza?

[00:16:17] Yeah.

[00:16:18] Destroying, consuming her fortresses?

[00:16:20] Well, and you have to wonder if these ideas inform some of the decisions that are being made in the war that's ongoing in Israel right now with Gaza and with the Palestinians.

[00:16:32] Yeah.

[00:16:34] And it's just like, to me, this is the kind of, like, you know, every war has some, like, some sense of religion baked into it, it seems like.

[00:16:47] Mm-hmm.

[00:16:47] Especially, especially in the Middle East, right?

[00:16:51] And the rhetoric that's being used in the Bible, in the Torah that they read as Jewish people.

[00:16:57] Well, the Torah specifically is only the first five books.

[00:16:59] Okay, okay.

[00:17:00] Okay, that's Moses' law.

[00:17:01] But these prophets are part of their...

[00:17:03] Their teaching, yes.

[00:17:04] Right, their teaching.

[00:17:05] I just, I wanted to be specific.

[00:17:07] No, I get it.

[00:17:08] And I apologize.

[00:17:09] So, but this is definitely part of their religious intake as far as information.

[00:17:16] Sure.

[00:17:20] Very not good.

[00:17:20] I mean, I don't know what else to say.

[00:17:22] No, it's true.

[00:17:22] It's just, I mean...

[00:17:23] It's so violent and grotesque.

[00:17:26] Like, you would, if you didn't know anybody, you know, you read this 100, 200 years from now, and you're like, whoa, their book said that they hate Gaza, so obviously it made it easier for them to do...

[00:17:36] Yeah.

[00:17:36] You know, like, it just makes sense in a historical sense that...

[00:17:38] Yeah.

[00:17:39] Yeah, their religion is said to do this, so they did it, you know?

[00:17:41] Yeah.

[00:17:42] It totally tracks with what's happening.

[00:17:43] Yeah.

[00:17:44] Right.

[00:17:44] Makes total sense.

[00:17:45] Yeah.

[00:17:45] Yeah.

[00:17:46] You know, it said it in the Bible, so fuck Gaza for history and perpetuity forever, right?

[00:17:53] Well, I do think that words like this make it easier for certain people to accept the consequences of what they're doing, right?

[00:18:02] And that's tragic to me.

[00:18:04] Yeah.

[00:18:04] I don't think that anything should make it easier to accept destroying that many people in their lives.

[00:18:11] The last time that I was around my parents, this topic kind of came up, the war that's happening over there right now.

[00:18:21] Yeah.

[00:18:22] Like, tap dance around it because we are on such opposite extremes.

[00:18:27] Right.

[00:18:27] Um, but I, I did say something like, you know, I, I don't understand why we have to be at war over land.

[00:18:39] Like, it's so stupid.

[00:18:41] And then my mom said, um, something to the effect of, you know, well, honey, um, there's sometimes just reasons for war.

[00:18:53] Like, and, and I was like, that doesn't strike me as, as good.

[00:18:57] I don't think there should be reasons for war.

[00:19:00] My mom was like, sometimes it's necessary.

[00:19:01] And I was like, and then, um, after that, then she was like, or my dad walked in and I forget what he said, but, um, or I forget what I said that prompted this, but he brought up the, the standard, you know, Israel has a right to defend itself.

[00:19:20] Yeah.

[00:19:21] And like, I wanted to just like, um, I, this sounds so stupid, but what I wanted to do was take my dad's hand and like slap me across the face with it.

[00:19:34] Right.

[00:19:35] And then be like, okay, so you've just struck me.

[00:19:38] Right.

[00:19:38] Right.

[00:19:38] So now I'm going to go to the kitchen and I'm going to get a knife and I'm going to like cut you into pieces because I have the right to defend myself.

[00:19:46] Like, do you see how the words you're saying?

[00:19:50] Equivalency.

[00:19:51] Yeah.

[00:19:51] Like you're not, we're not talking about a measured response.

[00:19:56] Yes.

[00:19:56] Right.

[00:19:57] Like, I, I don't think that you maybe understand what you're saying, because if you did, then what you're telling me is that you have zero problem.

[00:20:08] You're wiping out people because you were looking forward to it.

[00:20:13] You wanted an excuse to do it.

[00:20:14] Right.

[00:20:15] And well, no, and it's still like, I have to feel like that is part of it.

[00:20:19] They want this.

[00:20:20] The whole lead up that you gave for this chapter or for this book was that it was based kind of in hate, right?

[00:20:27] The hate for these other nations, the hate for these other people.

[00:20:31] And, and that's still how many religious folks view the quote unquote others.

[00:20:36] Yeah.

[00:20:37] You know, and it's, it's what makes these tragedies so tragic because they're not stopping.

[00:20:45] Not because they've obviously made their point.

[00:20:50] They've obviously gone further than anybody could have imagined with this whole thing.

[00:20:54] It's horrific.

[00:20:55] And, and, and yet we're still, they're still fighting.

[00:20:59] Yeah.

[00:20:59] And there's still, there's still, you know.

[00:21:02] And there's this whole, um, we don't give a shit that the people are starving.

[00:21:08] We don't give a shit that the children there are, are dying.

[00:21:13] We, we just don't give a shit.

[00:21:14] Right.

[00:21:15] Because they had it coming.

[00:21:17] Like, really?

[00:21:18] I, I don't understand that.

[00:21:20] That's not, that's not correct or kind.

[00:21:23] I would never, I would never say that there was not like, I will admit that there could have been a response to what happened initially.

[00:21:34] Right.

[00:21:35] But that was 1200, 1400 people.

[00:21:39] I don't remember exactly what it was, but we're in the tens of thousands now of Palestinians.

[00:21:44] Right.

[00:21:44] Yeah.

[00:21:44] And you've made your point.

[00:21:46] Yeah.

[00:21:46] You guys have made your fucking point.

[00:21:48] Can you please stop now?

[00:21:49] And, and, and moreover, the first incident that happened to the Israelis happened not in a vacuum.

[00:21:57] Okay.

[00:21:58] And I'm not, I don't want to get into the weeds on this because we're reading a chapter of the Bible.

[00:22:02] We always have to pretend like, oh no, out of the blue for absolutely no reason whatsoever, Israel was struck by somebody.

[00:22:10] Right.

[00:22:11] There was never any reason for it.

[00:22:13] Well, and that's, that's one of the things I don't like about our media.

[00:22:16] There's no, there's no explanation as to where this came from.

[00:22:21] People don't just out of the blue attack somebody unless they're, you know, not all with it.

[00:22:28] I had to like look up even why the Palestinians need land in the first place and how they were moved there by England at the end of like the Ottoman Empire.

[00:22:40] And I was like, wait, what?

[00:22:41] Ottoman Empire is like current-ish?

[00:22:43] Like, like literally I thought Ottoman Empire was like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years ago.

[00:22:50] Cause you know, empire, right?

[00:22:51] Sure.

[00:22:52] Sure.

[00:22:52] The word empire just automatically made me think, you know, oh, at least three to 500 years ago.

[00:22:58] Right.

[00:22:58] Like, no, we're talking like somewhat modern history.

[00:23:02] Yeah.

[00:23:02] And, and England had a big hand in that and America let them.

[00:23:07] And it's like, what the fuck guys?

[00:23:09] Yeah.

[00:23:10] And look, again, I, there's been solutions.

[00:23:13] There's been solutions on the table for it.

[00:23:18] We, we, we could do a whole episode on this.

[00:23:20] I, I, I, I think we should probably just kind of chime down a little bit and, and go back to the Bible.

[00:23:26] But like, suffice it to say the rhetoric in the Bible is not good rhetoric sometimes.

[00:23:32] And it definitely affects current, the current world politics.

[00:23:38] It sure as fuck don't help.

[00:23:39] It does not help.

[00:23:40] Yeah.

[00:23:40] That's yeah.

[00:23:42] All right.

[00:23:42] So, um, dude is like getting mad at everybody.

[00:23:46] Okay.

[00:23:46] Yeah.

[00:23:47] I'll destroy the King of Ashdod and the one who holds the scepter in Ashkelon.

[00:23:51] I will turn my hand against Ekron till the last of the Philistines are dead, says the sovereign Lord.

[00:23:58] This is what the sovereign Lord says.

[00:24:00] Hmm.

[00:24:00] For three sins in Tyre, even for four, I will not relent because she sold whole communities of captives to Edom disregarding a treaty of brotherhood.

[00:24:11] I will send fire on the walls of Tyre that will consume her fortresses.

[00:24:17] So didn't you have something relevant that you wanted to mention about Tyre?

[00:24:22] I did.

[00:24:22] So there was just recently, it was within the last few days, there was an attack on Tyre.

[00:24:30] Is it Tyre or Tyre?

[00:24:32] I cannot.

[00:24:32] It's T-Y-R-E.

[00:24:33] And we covered this before and I can't remember now.

[00:24:36] I can't ever remember which way it goes.

[00:24:37] So I'm sure I'm 100% positive I'm pronouncing it wrong always, whichever way I go.

[00:24:43] Right.

[00:24:43] Yeah.

[00:24:44] I'm sure you're probably right there.

[00:24:45] But yes, it was just recently like part of the fight that's happening now is that Israel just attacked Tyre.

[00:24:56] So yeah.

[00:24:57] And I didn't dig into it any further than that because I just saw it today while I was at work.

[00:25:01] But I just, I sent you the link or I sent you the picture of it because we've talked about this city so often.

[00:25:08] I'm like, wow, this really hits home, right?

[00:25:11] Yeah.

[00:25:11] Like it's.

[00:25:12] Like I didn't realize it was a city that still existed.

[00:25:15] We're reading about this city in the Bible.

[00:25:17] Right.

[00:25:18] Right.

[00:25:18] Yeah.

[00:25:19] And so yeah, I just, I saw it and I was like, that is, that is very relevant.

[00:25:26] Yeah.

[00:25:26] You know, because we're reading about this and here it is happening.

[00:25:30] It kind of gave me goosebumps to be honest.

[00:25:32] Yeah.

[00:25:33] Like in a, oh my God, I had no idea that city still existed.

[00:25:38] And not only does it still exist, it's still getting spanked.

[00:25:43] Right.

[00:25:44] Yeah.

[00:25:44] Yeah.

[00:25:44] Yeah.

[00:25:44] That's not okay.

[00:25:46] You know?

[00:25:46] Yep.

[00:25:47] Yep.

[00:25:47] Yep.

[00:25:48] Do you mind if I go ahead?

[00:25:50] Yeah, please.

[00:25:51] This is what the sovereign Lord says.

[00:25:53] So you see how he's like naming each of the communities and, and saying, you know, this

[00:25:59] is what the sovereign Lord says for three sins, even for you suck.

[00:26:03] That's a weird phrasing, but yeah.

[00:26:05] Okay.

[00:26:06] I'm sure it has to do with the translation.

[00:26:07] I'm sure you're right.

[00:26:08] For three sins of Edom, even for four, I will not relent because he pursued his brother

[00:26:14] with a sword and slaughtered the women of the land because his anger raged continually

[00:26:19] and his fury flamed unchecked.

[00:26:22] You mean kind of like God's anger and fury that rages unrelentingly?

[00:26:26] Yeah.

[00:26:27] Okay.

[00:26:27] I will send fire on Taman that will consume the fortresses of Basra.

[00:26:34] This is what the sovereign Lord says for three sins of Ammon, even for four, I will not

[00:26:41] relent because he ripped open the pregnant women of Gilead in order to extend his borders.

[00:26:47] Oh my God.

[00:26:48] I will set fire to the walls of Rabbah that will consume her fortresses amid war cries on

[00:26:55] the day of battle, amid violent winds on a stormy day.

[00:26:58] They use that imagery a lot in the Bible and, but, but we've seen it used by what God is

[00:27:05] going to do to other people too.

[00:27:07] It's not just what other people do to his people, but this is what God says to do to other people.

[00:27:13] Yeah.

[00:27:14] And now this time he's pissed because somebody did it to him.

[00:27:17] Right.

[00:27:17] Right.

[00:27:17] Right.

[00:27:17] But let's just not, let's not forget that God does this to other people too.

[00:27:22] Right.

[00:27:22] In the Bible.

[00:27:23] In so far as the Bible says, the Bible says God does these exact same things that he's

[00:27:30] getting pissed off that other people are doing.

[00:27:31] And let's just be clear.

[00:27:33] I don't want any pregnant women.

[00:27:35] Right.

[00:27:35] Depart, please.

[00:27:36] Yeah, please.

[00:27:37] That's not okay.

[00:27:38] You know what I find really grotesque is that I don't know what's coming ahead of time.

[00:27:45] So I don't know that there should be a spoiler warning.

[00:27:48] Yeah.

[00:27:49] And so we apologize.

[00:27:51] A trigger warning.

[00:27:51] Right.

[00:27:51] So I am bothered by this language.

[00:27:56] And I apologize for anybody that it might have hit wrong because it's hitting me wrong.

[00:28:04] Right.

[00:28:05] Kind of not okay.

[00:28:06] So sorry.

[00:28:08] I don't know to, the fucking Bible needs a goddamn trigger warning.

[00:28:13] Like I'm so fucking offended over that.

[00:28:16] Right.

[00:28:16] How dare people remove books from my libraries when the fucking Bible needs a goddamn trigger

[00:28:23] warning as I'm sitting here trying to read it.

[00:28:26] Yeah.

[00:28:27] This grotesquerie.

[00:28:29] Well, I think the sickest part about like the fact that the Bible is so disturbing, right?

[00:28:35] Is that the churches that teach this to kids hold Sunday school, right?

[00:28:44] And Sunday school is this quaint little, you know, everything's wonderful.

[00:28:48] And we're going to teach this fluff version of this.

[00:28:52] Right.

[00:28:53] And they talk about things like mass murder by God, like in the fact like Noah's Ark.

[00:28:58] Right.

[00:28:58] You know, they teach about that.

[00:28:59] But the consequences of how that happened get glossed over in a real, you know, nice way.

[00:29:07] Here's a nice way to kill all of humanity except for these few people.

[00:29:11] Like all of their neighbors and friends drowned.

[00:29:15] Yeah.

[00:29:16] Because God was mad at them.

[00:29:18] Right.

[00:29:18] Like how does that turn into a happy little fucking, you know, little kid story, right?

[00:29:24] Yeah.

[00:29:24] That's just disturbing.

[00:29:26] Yeah.

[00:29:26] I don't, how, I can't imagine trying to teach this to my kid.

[00:29:33] I can't imagine.

[00:29:34] Like I, whatever, whatever.

[00:29:37] It's just too much.

[00:29:38] It's too much.

[00:29:39] Yeah.

[00:29:39] It really is today.

[00:29:41] Yeah.

[00:29:41] It just is, you know?

[00:29:43] Sorry.

[00:29:44] We're about to finish this up though.

[00:29:46] Her king will go into exile.

[00:29:47] He and his officials together, says the Lord.

[00:29:51] Oh, okay.

[00:29:52] Yeah.

[00:29:52] All right.

[00:29:53] Sorry.

[00:29:53] Yeah, yeah.

[00:29:53] No, that's fine.

[00:29:54] That was, sorry.

[00:29:56] I went on a rant right before the end there.

[00:29:58] And, and I, I apologize.

[00:30:00] I think we, uh, we kind of went off on this chapter because we have not talked about the Bible in a while.

[00:30:05] And this was especially destructive behavior by God.

[00:30:10] So.

[00:30:11] It really was.

[00:30:12] And we were kind of set up for it knowing that that was going to happen too.

[00:30:15] Yeah.

[00:30:16] Yeah.

[00:30:16] Which I guess we should probably put a trigger warming for the entire book of Amos if I had to guess.

[00:30:21] What is that like?

[00:30:22] Because if this is the way it's starting off and it's known as one of the worst books, probably isn't going to get a whole lot better.

[00:30:28] Oh, is it known as one of the worst books?

[00:30:30] Didn't you say that in the, you said something about it being especially violent and especially whatever.

[00:30:36] Yeah, it's the most violent one.

[00:30:37] Yeah.

[00:30:37] You're right.

[00:30:38] You're right.

[00:30:38] So we kind of went over that in the intro.

[00:30:40] Yeah, I'm sorry.

[00:30:41] You're right.

[00:30:43] So yeah, I guess that could have acted as a trigger warning, but.

[00:30:47] But now we've specifically said it.

[00:30:49] Now we've specifically said it.

[00:30:50] Beware of Amos.

[00:30:52] Yeah, there will be darkness ahead.

[00:30:54] Right.

[00:30:55] Yeah.

[00:30:55] And shitty writing.

[00:30:56] Yeah.

[00:30:57] I can say at least in three out of the four chapters that we read next.

[00:31:01] It's true.

[00:31:02] It's true.

[00:31:04] All right.

[00:31:05] You got anything else for us before we get out of here?

[00:31:06] No, absolutely not.

[00:31:08] All right.

[00:31:08] Thank you, everybody, for being patient with us as we've been figuring our shit out because that's kind of what's going on right now.

[00:31:15] Yeah.

[00:31:15] We're trying to get back into the swing of things and there's been a lot of turmoil happening in our lives.

[00:31:21] That's not horrible right now, but it's just trying to find back, find our rhythm again.

[00:31:27] Turmoil sounds bad.

[00:31:28] I would just say upheaval.

[00:31:30] Upheaval.

[00:31:30] Yes.

[00:31:31] Yeah.

[00:31:31] And we've been trying to find our rhythm again and it's been a struggle.

[00:31:36] It has.

[00:31:36] But we intend to fix that.

[00:31:40] It's a struggle that we want to keep having because we want to win the war on being able to do this.

[00:31:48] Yes.

[00:31:48] We're going to kick the ass in this reading thing.

[00:31:52] Yeah.

[00:31:52] We're going to bomb the hell out of these chapters and send in our armies and we're going to get it.

[00:32:03] Okay.

[00:32:04] No, I don't think that was the right imagery to invoke.

[00:32:07] No violence?

[00:32:07] No.

[00:32:08] We're going to skip that.

[00:32:09] Okay.

[00:32:09] We're just going to do our best here, okay?

[00:32:11] Okay.

[00:32:11] All right.

[00:32:13] Thanks, guys.

[00:32:14] Bye.

[00:32:15] Bye.

[00:32:15] Bye.