Antichrist Unveiled

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[00:02:31] rock your body like at all yeah in no way whatsoever but that's what i was thinking so anyway the um what

[00:02:40] are we covering today oh yeah um we are covering that guy that's called the antichrist right or as

[00:02:49] he is affectionately known antichrist yes yes yes and because it's it's being talked about a lot right

[00:02:56] we will talk about that we'll talk about the talking of it yes okay let's go talk about it okay

[00:03:08] hey so what's an antichrist um someone who's not for christ he's someone who's bad he's really

[00:03:15] bad someone who is a deceiving son of a bitch oh i like that the deceiver i mean that's i've heard

[00:03:22] that a lot yeah the deceiver has come that's how i mean i yeah i i guess the antichrist um and i the

[00:03:29] reason i think the deceiver comes up is because i think how i am aware of the antichrist is it's

[00:03:34] someone that christians will follow thinking that they're following the right path but it's actually

[00:03:43] the wrong it's very confusing because okay here's the thing let's get into it let's cover this first

[00:03:49] first of all i i just have to say we have not read the new testament no we have not read the jesus

[00:03:55] bit no we haven't read the jesus he bit and apparently this antichrist thing comes in somewhere

[00:04:03] in well you can't really have the antichrist without without the christ right yeah yeah you're right so i

[00:04:08] was just addressing the this is all nt which we have not touched yet yeah i just wanted to address that

[00:04:14] right off the bat yeah but it is relevant to things that are being discussed in you know the world today

[00:04:19] and that that's what i was gonna say like let's get into that because what i've been seeing like well

[00:04:24] first of all there's my parents like they're hardcore evangelical whatever sure and they're like

[00:04:29] you know end days and this is you know signs and stuff and and we are in the end times and it's all

[00:04:37] it's it's scripture you got to read your bible yeah revelation is just right around the corner yeah yeah

[00:04:41] and the rapture is on its way well rapture isn't actually in the bible it's just a thing that no i know

[00:04:49] i'm actually aware of that but like okay but it is a thing that you know they talk about it like it is

[00:04:55] but it's not from what i understand well so i don't know we'll get there eventually yeah yeah yeah

[00:05:01] so um these i have my parents talking about it and you know with the whole war in the middle east and

[00:05:09] i'm like but they were they were warring in the middle east since before i was born

[00:05:14] right they've always been warring yeah but then when trump moved the um embassy yeah to israel or

[00:05:21] whatever it wasn't the was it the embassy i think so whatever it was something yeah but he but he

[00:05:26] moved it to jerusalem yeah that's what i meant is what happened so and that that is a contested town

[00:05:31] because it is used for a place of worship by both um muslim and jewish groups so like it was not

[00:05:38] it was one of those places that generally speaking they kind of left alone as much as possible kind

[00:05:44] of neutral ground like you can have it from 6 a.m to 9 a.m and we'll take it from like 6 p.m to 9 p.m

[00:05:52] and like every other wednesdays you know we'll split i mean israel was generally like yeah we probably

[00:05:58] won't shoot you right you know like that was the general consensus i think so you were you were pretty

[00:06:03] safe as long as they didn't you know want to kill you i guess so who knows i mean sometimes you just

[00:06:10] feel murdery you know i guess i mean god certainly does that's what i'm saying according to the bible

[00:06:15] according to the bible he wakes up on the wrong side of the um you know universe yeah and and kills

[00:06:21] people a lot yeah so that's what i read yeah so there's my parents talking about it and i'm like

[00:06:26] whoa what and um they they seem kind of excited about it like yeah we're in the end times and i'm

[00:06:33] like whoa what isn't that bad like but you know they're going to heaven so what the fuck do they

[00:06:38] care right but i you know but here's the thing though i've heard that while there's a lot of

[00:06:44] evangelical christians that want the end times from what i understand the way it's talked about

[00:06:49] in the bible and the way it's talked about by people who have studied it is that those times even for the

[00:06:55] christians is not going to be a good time right it's not going to be pretty no and because there's going

[00:07:01] to be an anti-christ sure yeah and anti-christ it's going to be harder for the christians than

[00:07:07] the atheists is what i'm thinking right yeah because it's specifically there to deceive them

[00:07:11] right almost almost like a trump kind of guy oh did you say you said the thing out loud yeah that's

[00:07:18] where i heard it oh yeah okay okay yeah like i said let's get into it um yeah what's been really

[00:07:25] interesting is the number of people who are and by people i mean christians who are like we're totally

[00:07:33] in the end times and all the signs and and you know they're gonna build the the temple the you know

[00:07:41] over there and it's all gonna it's all coming together yeah you know like the a team you know

[00:07:46] i love it when a plan comes together right yeah um but that other part with the anti-christ thing

[00:07:52] like it's like they don't realize that those come together yeah i really pity the fool

[00:08:00] sorry we were on it we were on an 18 motif that was so good oh i wish i could go back in time and

[00:08:06] do it myself that was really really good so okay so there's this split in the like when i was looking

[00:08:14] up like hey let's talk about a anti-christ what is that yeah i mean obviously bad guy sure is he the

[00:08:20] devil is he satan uh depends who you ask so anyway i'm like asking these questions looking around and i

[00:08:27] start seeing there are two groups of christians and i mean yes i know that there are more than two

[00:08:33] groups of christians let me let me guess one group of christians think that the anti-christ is trump

[00:08:37] and then the other group thinks that's obama um kind of but kind of but no like there is one group

[00:08:46] who's like we're totally in the end times um the anti-christ might be coming or might not probably

[00:08:52] whatever but jesus is coming you know we're we're reaching the end days and jesus is coming he's coming

[00:08:59] he's coming i don't i don't know why does jesus have to live and then die and then come back come

[00:09:06] back and then just didn't disappear well he took a ride with elijah wait i thought elijah was like

[00:09:13] way back in the old test yeah yeah did elijah come down and pick him up like yeah in his motor car

[00:09:18] remember remember he like transcribed up into the sky or something like that mary's up there too

[00:09:25] okay like they never died and they never like went to heaven they're just like in some waiting room

[00:09:30] and they're all hanging about okay yeah he's gonna drop down like hey yo what's up yeah exactly got it

[00:09:36] so i don't know why he had to be born die come back to life take a ride and then come back like i don't

[00:09:44] i don't get it yeah like just get some netflix and chill i don't know whatever right so okay so there's

[00:09:50] some christians that are like jesus is coming this is so exciting i love it when the world ends

[00:09:54] right they're so i mean they're peeing their pants they're so fucking happy they can't wait even though

[00:10:00] you know they would never agree that jesus was jesus right not that i don't think you can get 10

[00:10:06] people to agree which one was jesus no but that that's one group okay and they are all the ones

[00:10:11] that are generally speaking they are maga they are the ones that voted for trump and they're the ones

[00:10:18] that knock on doors and yeah they're very excited they know all the things sure okay whatever yeah

[00:10:24] then there's this other group that i'm i'm still trying i just came across them today so i'm still

[00:10:31] trying to think about how i feel about them because they're like y'all ain't reading your bibles right

[00:10:38] and these guys are literally referred to as um prophecy scholars okay because they study hardcore

[00:10:51] or the prophecies of the bible got it and so they're like y'all are missing the signs as this

[00:10:58] this this like this is not a good thing if this this is happening and it's not a good thing because

[00:11:03] trump is for realsies the antichrist or like there's there's some disagreement about it okay okay

[00:11:10] sometimes trump is the antichrist yeah other times he and um elon musk and um uh what's his vp's name

[00:11:21] butthole from middletown ohio oh vance jd vance right right i couldn't think of his name sure um they

[00:11:28] are all like beasts that come before antichrist okay okay like there's i don't know there's just

[00:11:38] all these like different i don't know what is it who is it who's coming when what got it so but but

[00:11:45] but they are more logical question mark like i'm i'm like i said i'm still trying to wrap my brain

[00:11:54] about around who's more logical these people that actually study the prophecies and they're like no

[00:11:59] y'all listen to me it's not a good thing if we're in the end times right because the end times are bad

[00:12:08] right and it means that you are being fooled and trump is either the antichrist or a antichrist or a

[00:12:17] signal of the antichrist and that is bad and they like go through and they actually are very

[00:12:23] knowledgeable about the bible and i'm not saying i believe any of that shit okay they're knowledgeable

[00:12:28] about that portion of the bible at the very least yes they're very knowledgeable about the prophecies

[00:12:33] and they are able to lay out like what's coming and i got bored and couldn't listen to all of it

[00:12:39] because i don't believe in any of it sure so sure i'm just i found it fascinating that there are two

[00:12:47] groups of christians and one is mega and one is actually really smart and it's like no right yeah

[00:12:57] you know what i mean i'm gonna stop short of saying really smart but i mean they they definitely um

[00:13:02] they definitely study the the revelation you know apocalyptic what i mean by smart is they are

[00:13:09] scholastically minded and they are uh bible scholars is that's what i mean to say okay okay um you could

[00:13:19] have a conversation with them and ask them questions and they would not think you're an asshole and

[00:13:24] immediately be like you need to get jesus no i got it i got it so that's what i mean all right but

[00:13:29] let's get a little more academic now okay i just like i had to just jump into that conversation with a

[00:13:35] do you know anything about this guy and what do you think of this guy and here's why we're talking

[00:13:41] about this guy okay right right because trump and the middle east and everything that's going on in

[00:13:46] the world yeah okay and and everybody's talking about it sure all right so the christian concept of

[00:13:53] antichrist finds its roots in jewish eschatological traditions and eschatological is a fancy word for

[00:14:00] doctrine okay like eschatology doctrine sure particularly the book of daniel written around

[00:14:08] 167 bce so we read the book of daniel yeah yeah so that's where like we originally hear about the

[00:14:16] antichrist which is so interesting to me because like i don't remember that right it foretells the

[00:14:22] arrival of a final persecutor who would quote speak great words against the most high and wear out the

[00:14:30] saints of the most high and think to change times and laws and that's daniel chapter 7 verse 25

[00:14:37] um do you remember all that stuff with the horns and the little horns and the big horns yeah yeah

[00:14:42] that was from daniel and that's part of this whole antichrist in times thing and monsters and sometimes

[00:14:49] the horns represent 10 kings who are gonna be ruling the world or some shit i don't know

[00:14:56] oh it's so there's so many different ideas got it got it okay so scholars generally agree that this

[00:15:04] particular passage originally referred to the hellenistic ruler antiochus epiphanes okay you

[00:15:11] remember that guy like he's the greek guy who sought to eradicate judaism so they they were like he's

[00:15:18] totally the antichrist he's wiping out and we we talked about this at the time right that they thought

[00:15:24] this of him yeah yeah because he's completely trying to get rid of their religion and wipe them

[00:15:30] out and they're like he's totally the antichrist hate him got it right however since antiochus was

[00:15:36] not explicitly named later generations could apply daniel's prophecy to other figures and we will get

[00:15:43] into that because yeah they did apply it to lots of figures even through today i want to interject here

[00:15:49] for just a second to say that um we had a live correction on our discord here okay that eschatology

[00:15:55] is not um just apocalyptic it's not um just doctrine it's apocalyptic writings apparently not my

[00:16:04] understanding but okay i would believe it's just a it's a possibility i believe you know i believe

[00:16:10] them because they know more than i do but i i literally like i had to look up the word because i was

[00:16:16] like i don't know what eschatology means i'm not going to try to say that word yeah and then it it

[00:16:21] said it was just doctrine but got it yeah but you're reading this from like an apologist point of view

[00:16:26] sometimes so right but i look the word up in the dictionary because i am dumb yeah okay okay so

[00:16:31] all right um the definition didn't seem to lean that way but i was also like just trying to go through a

[00:16:39] lot of material really quickly and i could have missed it and like i said the person who was doing the

[00:16:44] correcting knows a lot more than i do so i will throw myself based on what i'm reading here it

[00:16:49] looks like that they were correct okay so i i believe you and them i just was nope you know

[00:16:54] appreciate that thank you so early christians for example saw in it an allusion to roman emperors

[00:17:02] particularly nero i've heard that before and that's like nero is where we get like 666 and

[00:17:08] the devil and there's a lot of things that kind of circle around nero yeah sometimes so yeah yeah um

[00:17:15] he's like the dragon or like the beast that rose from the sea because he you know right came on his

[00:17:22] ship or whatever which is funny because they still talk about him today as that so i mean like in some

[00:17:28] in some places and sometimes um but if we're talking about the antichrist that's supposed to be

[00:17:34] close to end times we'll get there okay all right um you know what just in case i forget i'm going to

[00:17:41] go ahead and say it now okay there is the antichrist and then there are also an antichrist meaning a

[00:17:51] bunch of little antichrist peoples running around who are not the big bad antichrist so there are many

[00:17:58] who believe and that's what i was kind of getting into the arguments that the people who are not

[00:18:08] excited about the end times those intellectual scholar christians that are into the prophecies

[00:18:15] and stuff they cannot agree on whether it's the antichrist or an antichrist got it do you think the uh

[00:18:22] the rest of the the mini antichrist they have like a lodge or something that they get together and

[00:18:26] do antichrist stuff at i was just picturing like the little army guys from from toys you know right

[00:18:33] yeah or from toy story yeah yeah so um anyway nero reigned from 54 to 68 ce current era sure okay

[00:18:43] and he persecuted the early church hardcore and that's why they called him an antichrist right and

[00:18:49] you know according to this definition where if you're saying they are an antichrist then yes

[00:18:55] he and antichrist epiphanes were both an antichrist if you will got it okay somebody super bad who

[00:19:03] hardcore steps on their religion can be considered and so like we could be considered antichrists

[00:19:08] could we though if we get a little bit more popular we have no power you have no power over

[00:19:14] the fully developed narrative of the antichrist life and reign emerged in medieval texts

[00:19:25] okay not the bce's and the early ce's got it okay yeah we're talking about like you know when you

[00:19:35] start getting into the thousands and stuff okay okay incorporating and expanding on these earlier

[00:19:41] associations okay so now we're going to talk about this guy named joaquin of flora's influence

[00:19:48] okay okay okay okay his name is joaquin got it got it okay so one significant medieval theologian

[00:19:57] who diverged from traditional teachings about antichrist was joaquin of fiore he was a 12th

[00:20:06] century monk okay so medieval right joaquin envisioned history as a series of persecutions

[00:20:14] of the christian church culminating in the appearance of a succession of antichrists such as nero

[00:20:22] muhammad and saladin okay yeah so um that's where i was saying you know not the antichrist but a series

[00:20:31] of them sure okay yeah a bunch of baddies throughout history right unlike the conventional view of a single

[00:20:38] ultimate adversary joaquin anticipated multiple precursors to the great antichrist okay okay yeah so

[00:20:48] the one kind of like the jesus right so joaquin redefined the great antichrist as not a jewish figure

[00:20:57] from babylon which that's another thing um that didn't it got cut from this paper that i was working

[00:21:05] on so i'll have to go back and find it on the cutting room floor okay um okay so originally before this um

[00:21:13] medieval times like back in the bce's yeah um they were like antichrist is exactly opposite of christ in

[00:21:21] every way possible like christ was born to an immaculate conception virgin right so antichrist is

[00:21:29] totally going to be born to um a whore yeah it'll be a bastard yeah totally all right and um they'll

[00:21:37] both be from this same area but you know one is totally good good good with rainbows and the other

[00:21:44] one is totally bad bad bad with like fire and horns on his head sure you know what i mean opposite in

[00:21:49] every way got it okay and so he's like that's silly okay joaquin is like i don't buy that right so

[00:21:57] he's like i don't think it's gonna be a jewish guy okay okay i don't think that he's gonna come

[00:22:02] from babylon okay got it or the babylonia area or what we call today you know the middle east right

[00:22:09] he's like i don't think that's true i don't think that's what's gonna happen y'all he says i think

[00:22:15] that we are gonna see the embodiment of the evils within our own society particularly things like

[00:22:23] heresy and the oppression of the church he also predicted a wondrous millennial era between the

[00:22:30] death of the great antichrist and the last judgment which we have not even reached what's the last

[00:22:37] judgment i'm guessing that that's like the end of end times when you stand before somebody who like

[00:22:44] weighs your soul and decides if you have enough good in you sure some shit like that um that's my

[00:22:49] that's my like imagination we haven't read any of that yet so who could know right i mean except for

[00:22:55] everybody who has read it so to account for the events after this millennium joaquin prophesied or

[00:23:04] prophesied a final antichrist whom he called gog yeah gog and magog yeah very good yeah referring to

[00:23:13] the eschatological enemies gog and magog from revelation chapter 20 verses 7 through 9 okay okay

[00:23:23] though vague about this figure's nature joaquin saw him as the ultimate enemy of god emerging to wage

[00:23:31] the final battle before the end of time okay so he's beast i don't remember where did we talk about

[00:23:37] gog and magog before was it in one of the the books that we read or was it just another

[00:23:42] special episode that we did no there was mention of him in the bible but i don't remember where okay

[00:23:47] i'm sure somebody in our discord it seems like it was somewhat recently even like within the last

[00:23:51] couple two or three months maybe really i could be wrong i don't feel like that okay but um my memory

[00:23:58] is for shit so you could totally be right so during the later middle ages so now we're getting out of

[00:24:03] medieval times and we're moving to the middle ages okay yeah the belief in an imminent reign of

[00:24:10] antichrist led many to identify contemporary rulers or figures as his forerunners so now like every

[00:24:18] evil ruler is an antichrist okay so we we moved away from someday there's gonna be an antichrist to

[00:24:28] you know what every fucker is a fucking antichrist got it would i kind of like agree with i think that's

[00:24:36] kind of cool i like walking around saying you're an antichrist you're an antichrist but the list is

[00:24:42] probably different between you know the right leaning you know christians and left-leaning christians

[00:24:47] right oh yeah definitely so wait till i get to the modern times ones right yeah that's fun um okay um

[00:24:55] so um antichrist led many to identify contemporary rulers or figures as his forerunners or even as

[00:25:03] antichrist himself so sometimes they were like no no this is the antichrist okay the anti-papal papal

[00:25:12] papal papal papal papal anti-papal emperor and anti-papal is in quotes so that's like we're not

[00:25:20] calling him anti-papal but he was represented as such emperor frederick frederick the second

[00:25:26] who reigned from 1212 to 1250 and then pope john the 22nd who reigned from 1316 to 1334

[00:25:36] who persecuted dissenters these were notable examples of leaders who were called in the middle ages

[00:25:44] they were referred to as antichristes okay okay and i just coined that term antichristes

[00:25:51] because if you can say octopuses or octopi or octopods i think that you can say christies and

[00:26:00] antichristies there you go yeah i'm with you there okay yeah yeah so this tendency to equate hated

[00:26:07] figures with antichrist persisted beyond the medieval period a group called the russian old believers

[00:26:14] labeled czar peter the great as antichrist due to his reforms and subjugation of the church i just

[00:26:21] really like the acronym for that group rob rob yeah russian old believers yeah like russian old

[00:26:28] believers like i was thinking you know people with banjos russian believers yeah i don't know um the

[00:26:37] reformation introduced significant shifts in the interpretation of antichrist okay martin luther you

[00:26:44] know the guy with his hundred theses or 99 theses yeah that he you know used knives to pop up on the wall

[00:26:50] right on the door right was it 99 yeah it was it was a bunch but i'm pretty sure it was 99

[00:26:55] yeah okay he had 99 theses and he was basically his overall message was i don't think that people

[00:27:04] should be able to buy favors to get into heaven i don't think that's what the bible says i don't think

[00:27:11] that's how it works like that was his overall message got it got it um so martin luther popularized

[00:27:19] the view that antichrist was not an individual but a collective force of evil epitomized by the

[00:27:25] institution of the papacy this perspective gained traction particularly among protestants you know

[00:27:33] because that's what came after he was like right i think you guys are reading this right just real

[00:27:38] quick though it was 95 theses 95 damn it yeah well i know it was 90 something sorry i was only four off i

[00:27:45] didn't trust you so i had to look that one up so i apologize but yeah you were close you were very

[00:27:50] close i was closer than you were i mean yeah yeah i'm impressed that you were within five i was within

[00:27:57] four i know yeah you were at four you were within five okay fair fair and and i'm not good with

[00:28:04] numbers so i mean that's kind of amazing yeah um yeah so particularly among protestants and this

[00:28:11] so this marked a departure from the earlier focus on a single adversary okay so we're um

[00:28:19] going just totally away from that now yeah and we'll never go back right ever again okay meanwhile

[00:28:25] roman catholic teachings increasingly emphasize the spiritual deception associated with antichrist

[00:28:32] okay um framing him as one who claims to fulfill messianic hopes while glorifying humanity

[00:28:39] where are these ideas coming from they're not coming directly from the bible they're coming from

[00:28:44] like religious teachings or religious like um some of it is in the bible and some of it is just these

[00:28:51] religious dudes that sit around a table and decide what they think it means and then the more that

[00:28:56] they like pat each other on the back for good thought good thought yes yes um the more it just

[00:29:02] kind of gets talked into that is the way it happened that is what it means okay you know what i mean

[00:29:08] yeah so the church linked this deception to millennia millennia realism okay you know end of the millennium

[00:29:19] sure what we're getting at right and secular messianic ideologies okay okay secular messianic

[00:29:26] ideologies that's a very interesting term got it because that it means that a lack of belief in god

[00:29:35] or not necessarily a lack of belief so much as a lack of worship a lack of activity that is

[00:29:44] churchy related sure but they still have ideologies of a messiah okay right okay that's very weird

[00:29:53] what's i go further you weren't listening no i was listening yeah i just why is it weird though

[00:30:00] secular messianic ideologies so like secular makes me think non-religious okay okay no and that's fair

[00:30:07] but i but so i think what that's referring to is like the okay i what i would take it out is the

[00:30:14] non-churched christians right okay like the i mean specifically like my mom right okay like my mom does

[00:30:20] not ascribe to a certain church or anything like that she just believes in god right and that would be

[00:30:26] you know it's not they're not worshiping correctly they're not worshiping within the confines of what

[00:30:31] it is to be religious or christian or catholic or whatever it is okay so that's how i would take it

[00:30:38] all right i just i don't know i just thought it was like a really interesting mix of words sure

[00:30:43] juxtaposed against each other right right yeah i mean i guess you know secular can mean

[00:30:49] i i don't know maybe it's maybe it's just encompassing that whole idea of um non non non

[00:30:56] practicing non practicing religious yeah okay so religious non-practicing right okay so in the

[00:31:02] modern era the antichrist tradition diversified further protestant interpretations often conceive

[00:31:10] of antichrist as any force opposing christ teachings though some evangelical and fundamentalist

[00:31:17] christians revived the idea of a singular antichrist figure in the 20th century so you know the 1900s

[00:31:25] it's a lot sexier to have just one you know the big bad yeah yeah i mean every tv show has you know

[00:31:31] you fight the minions all the way up till you reach the end and that's right yeah the big bad yeah

[00:31:36] yeah roman catholics have become less inclined to emphasize a specific individual focusing instead

[00:31:44] on broader spiritual and institutional evils interesting yeah yeah considering that they

[00:31:51] really do need to concentrate on their institutional evils right yeah so joachim of fiore's concept of

[00:31:59] a succession of antichrists resonates in contemporary views of history as cyclical or progressive

[00:32:07] while the dual conceptions of spiritual and sensual antichrist persist among rational believers

[00:32:13] figures such as benito mussolini have been labeled as antichrist for their authoritarian ambitions

[00:32:20] echoing medieval tendencies yeah which makes sense right in popular culture vestiges of medieval

[00:32:28] antichrist traditions appear in films like rosemary's baby a film came out in 1968 okay i was not born

[00:32:37] until 75 i didn't realize that movie was so old and the omen which came out in 76 and apparently

[00:32:43] there was a reboot in 2006 i had no idea i think i vaguely remember something like that yeah i don't

[00:32:50] know that kid was creepy though like i never saw the first one yeah or am i thinking of damien i have

[00:32:55] no idea what you're talking about okay i don't know if damien is the name of the kid in the omen or if

[00:33:00] damien is like a separate franchise but that kid was creepy okay so anyway these films um represent an

[00:33:09] antichrist who is depicted as an apocalyptic individual similarly superstitions about credit

[00:33:15] cards and barcodes i have heard the yeah marks of the beast and stuff like that yeah as marks of

[00:33:21] antichrist right the number 666 from revelation or sometimes at 616 depending yeah um those reflect

[00:33:30] anxieties about diabolical institutions in modern society got it scholars such as bernard mcginn

[00:33:38] have examined theological debates about the relationship between antichrist and satan

[00:33:44] you know the bad up here and the bad down below right um i just want to interject real quick here

[00:33:52] um so another help from our our live discord just you know um so the word secular used to mean

[00:33:59] not uh not just not being devoted to a religious life okay so like you have a belief but you can have a

[00:34:07] belief you just aren't devoted to it by going to the functions and things like that so that's kind

[00:34:12] of what we said the non-practicing right believer yeah okay cool cool cool so we weren't far off right

[00:34:17] right interesting so okay scholars such as bernard mcginn have examined theological debates about the

[00:34:23] relationship between antichrist and satan the indwelling theory wherein the antichrist is a human

[00:34:30] inhabited by satan right like possessed you know yeah um gained a lot of traction for avoiding the

[00:34:37] dualistic implications of satan becoming incarnate because you know that would mean he's on in

[00:34:44] undefeatable yeah i really feel like the church is missing out on some uh marketability here with

[00:34:49] like uh you know in time revelation type uh comic book series is they could put out books movies um

[00:34:57] novels yeah like you could make i mean this is some good shit right like you could really turn this

[00:35:02] into a whole franchise i mean think it might even rival like marvel you know right and like we have

[00:35:07] talked about um the way hell michigan is like just this little street right like it's not even an actual

[00:35:14] town this is a little fucking street corner yeah and it has its own little zip code and how they are

[00:35:19] totally missing out on all of the possibilities right it's so stupid yeah to see like oh you're doing

[00:35:27] this wrong um yeah so um this whole like satan is not an actual thing he's more like a demon that

[00:35:38] inhabits your body that gets rid of the possibility of him being um incarnate which you know he he is a

[00:35:46] physical thing that can be beat okay okay yeah so yay we can god can kill satan that's exciting

[00:35:54] otherwise you know he'd be too powerful i just but god can create an entire universe why

[00:35:59] why is it god god hypothetically maybe created satan well and and and by that measure if there

[00:36:08] no matter who the antichrist is god would have created that antichrist right like i mean just

[00:36:13] we're not specifically talking about antichrist now we're talking about satan here no no i'm just i'm

[00:36:17] taking the whole thing into account here and i'm like but god made everything according to them so if god

[00:36:23] made everything he made all this shit too but did he though i don't know no obviously we don't believe

[00:36:28] he made shit but the question that these guys are they're they're just like they're talking it out you

[00:36:33] know they're like yeah but i mean oh okay it's two kids sitting in the back of the car mom is driving them

[00:36:42] somewhere and she's got to hit the grocery store first right so they're sitting in the back of the car

[00:36:47] and they're arguing who's better who's stronger superman or captain america sure right and it's dc

[00:36:56] versus marvel and they're just talking it out and they both believe very firmly in their theories

[00:37:02] okay i really like captain america i think he's a great guy but superman has laser eyes i'm just

[00:37:07] saying and he can fly and turn back time i mean come on i don't i don't like his beginnings is i i'm

[00:37:13] not i'm not talking we're just talking about strength here i'm just saying superman superman

[00:37:18] all the way yeah but it's my understanding that he was created on like an anti-semitic kind of

[00:37:24] beginning well okay yeah i've heard that somewhat somewhere before i guess from me yeah from you so

[00:37:30] so i'm okay but i'm just talking about strength of what they were built on that's all i'm right sorry

[00:37:37] here's my thing back before i knew like when i was in my younger first tiptoeing into comics before

[00:37:42] i knew that there was a whole dc versus marvel thing yeah um i tended to lean more toward um

[00:37:51] the uh the marvel characters except for batman because i really loved how dark and depressed he was like

[00:37:58] it appealed to my soul yeah except that like vigilante ism is that really what we want

[00:38:03] so but then when i got better experience with comics i started to realize that they're both

[00:38:10] shit and that there is some really good indie stuff out there yeah so like image comics and top cow and

[00:38:18] you know stuff like that those are so great yeah that's you have no idea what i'm talking about yeah

[00:38:25] okay so anyway so these guys are like no satan is totally strong and he he's a badass and then the

[00:38:33] other kid is like no and no because god could totally beat him he rolled a he rolled his d6 and

[00:38:40] he gotta i don't know whatever you i just i can't they're playing dungeons and dragons and shit you you

[00:38:47] you you you stop no it's just it's it's you could go down this rabbit hole all day see but you are

[00:38:56] trying to walk into these kids discussion and they're like stop you don't know go away you're

[00:39:03] ruining their argument but that's what i'm saying though exactly right we have christians taking this

[00:39:09] anti-christ stuff seriously we have christians that are full in on the belief that these things are

[00:39:15] real and then they they attribute them to people they don't like you just need jesus and so therefore

[00:39:20] it's a little bit dangerous right if you just had jesus but the truth is if you believe in god to

[00:39:27] begin with you have to like go all the way with that don't you like why don't people take this

[00:39:33] out why don't they believe it all the way like they only believe chunks of it they're like i believe

[00:39:39] that god is all powerful and created every fucking thing but he also created this bad guy over here

[00:39:43] who i really fucking hate and he doesn't do anything about it like what the fuck is that

[00:39:47] that makes no goddamn sense it's to build character fuck that bullshit and also there's a greater purpose

[00:39:53] you don't know all the things you just have to always just be accepting and it's how you reach

[00:40:01] your zen you just go um it's just like all i'm saying is that with regard to religion and god and the

[00:40:10] antichrist and the beliefs that people have in these gods and these ideas it's like it's like

[00:40:18] you're hearing conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory only they are accepted right by such a

[00:40:24] large swath of people that it's it's absurd and disheartening it's it's hard for me to get into

[00:40:32] religion at all because this is the stuff i would want to learn about like if i'm going to go in and

[00:40:38] believe in religion okay well i want to know all the things then right like okay god and satan and

[00:40:44] antichrist and jesus and explain it to me how does it work you know how she was a virgin what how did

[00:40:50] that work well did did god fuck her like i want to know you know like i want to know all the things

[00:40:56] yeah but there's nobody out there that like i've never heard of a christian pastor who would literally

[00:41:00] sit there and entertain the real questions that right no look i'm sure that that person exists but in a

[00:41:06] general like if you're going to a church in your local area that pastor is not going to sit down

[00:41:11] with you and answer all those no he'll be offended that i even thought it right yeah so it's like a

[00:41:16] tupperware bowl and like christians are okay just popping up the corner every now and again and sniffing

[00:41:22] it whereas i want to tear the fucking lid off yeah and i want to stick my hands into the gobbledygook

[00:41:27] inside right you know just dirty it up i want to know all the innards right okay so this nuanced view

[00:41:34] has theological implications for understanding the nature of evil in christian eschatology okay

[00:41:42] yeah so it allowed them to like be like it's totally evil he's a bad he's a baddie bad sure okay

[00:41:50] yeah finally parallels exist between christian antichrist doctrines and jewish eschatological

[00:41:57] figures like armless armless armless the fuck is armless i don't know the anti-missiah described

[00:42:05] in text such as the sefer zerabobo did you just start speaking in tongues what the fuck happened there

[00:42:12] sefer zerabobo okay okay so this guy armless often seen as an allegory almost said allergy jesus christ

[00:42:22] often seen as an allegory for oppressive forces symbolizes the ultimate triumph of good over evil

[00:42:29] a theme that unites both christian and jewish traditions okay so they have like this um anti-missiah

[00:42:37] and you know the christians have anti-christ sure so they're like twinsies you know i'm just going

[00:42:44] to be fair here if i view someone as evil i'm good when like i'm happy when the good triumphs over the

[00:42:50] evil as well but you know what i mean it's never really that simple but i mean i generally speaking

[00:42:55] i'm happy that hitler got beat yeah i'm just saying okay but when we've got the anti-missiah in jewish

[00:43:02] and we've got the anti-christ in christian that to me feels like the ultimate marvel dc crossover event

[00:43:09] of the millennium okay and these two boys they are skipping down the road together they're holding hands

[00:43:19] and there are rainbows everywhere and they're like so excited because you know they're meeting for the

[00:43:26] first time but also they've known each other forever yeah so right this is like a very special moment for

[00:43:32] them i see okay okay and also they braid each other's hair just because that's fun okay got it all

[00:43:37] right so many prominent figures from 1950 to the present day have been labeled as the anti-christ by

[00:43:44] individuals or groups 1950s i kind of associate that with mccarthyism and the whole communist scare

[00:43:50] thing don't you yeah yeah um often due to their political influence ideological positions or global

[00:43:58] reach some examples include are you ready i'm ready okay yeah okay so here's some politicians and

[00:44:04] world leaders okay john f kennedy yeah as the first catholic u.s president some fundamentalists

[00:44:11] speculated he was the anti-christ okay due to fears of vatican influence on american politics

[00:44:17] not that right um then ronald reagan conspiracy theorists pointed out that his full name ronald

[00:44:25] wilson reagan contains six letters in each name six six six oh dang this combined with his popularity

[00:44:35] led some to suggest he was the anti-christ wow okay interesting barack obama that was to be expected

[00:44:42] many conservative christians like i like how the other two are just like yeah conspiracy theorists and

[00:44:48] yeah he's the first catholic blah blah blah and you know how it is like blah blah blah and then we get

[00:44:52] to barack obama and like why don't you just say racist right many conservative christians many racists

[00:45:00] accused obama of being the anti-christ during his presidency citing his charisma god damn you for

[00:45:06] that we can't have charisma up in this bitch global appeal god you know when people like him damn it

[00:45:13] and policies they viewed as unchristian you know things like universal health care how dare the very

[00:45:21] audacity right okay yeah what a what a fuck face hope and change i hate that fuck face like wow

[00:45:29] he was such a bad terrible dude uh-huh um that was all sarcasm just to be clear blah blah blah i know

[00:45:36] but just in case there's a noob i have to say i love obama okay all right donald trump yeah that was

[00:45:45] obvious i yeah i just i'm gonna stop you for just a moment because if i were to associate a single

[00:45:52] human being that i've ever known in my entire life as embodying the characteristics that i am aware of

[00:45:59] of the anti-christ it would be donald trump exactly and and and i would say that whether or not he was

[00:46:04] president or not right it's him being president is what brought him to our attention as being such

[00:46:11] right you know like i didn't go looking for him well and the power kind of gives him that status of

[00:46:15] the anti-christ right so like i mean i guess i guess part of it is him being president but like he's

[00:46:21] just the he doesn't even try because he doesn't have to i just can't figure out why christians like

[00:46:27] him like i'm like this dude is like he's nothing bad you would have kicked him out of your goddamn

[00:46:32] church right he's nothing he would ever showed up in the first place but you know he's gross

[00:46:37] he's so gross but they're the ones who embrace them they're excited because they're about to go to

[00:46:42] heaven so you know they love it yeah they love them because in times it's gonna be fun it's so

[00:46:47] exciting for them they love it there's gonna be like rainbow slides with lollipops in the way

[00:46:52] no that's not what they're excited about you're missing it they're excited about the hail and

[00:46:59] brimstone and bricks and fire and mortar that's gonna fall on us but i didn't even i didn't even

[00:47:04] get to the cotton candy cupcakes yet okay well they're gonna be sitting on the side with their

[00:47:09] lollipops and candy cupcakes okay cotton candy cotton candy come on now get this right having just

[00:47:14] slid down a rainbow and then they too are holding hands and skipping right each other's hair

[00:47:20] and then they turn and they watch us and we are in pain writhing on the ground for eternity

[00:47:26] being punished and they are laughing and happy gleeful that's what this is about right they are very

[00:47:34] excited to be inflicting pain on other people it must be in times because that's what i get on twitter

[00:47:42] in fact i just got one today it was it was like burn in hell and like i'm i'm like and it was a whole

[00:47:49] meme and like i'm like well jesus christ you guys are fucking messed up like i thought you wanted to

[00:47:55] save myself and they're like you're so late we're saving always in all caps too yeah always yeah

[00:47:59] because it's old people that don't know how to do so okay donald trump while some of his

[00:48:05] evangelical supporters saw him see him as a divinely chosen figure and those are the ones that we're

[00:48:11] talking about weird others see his divisive rhetoric and focus on power as potential antichrist traits

[00:48:18] which is interesting because that's not the left specifically that they're referring to that think

[00:48:25] of him as an antichrist right because not everybody on the left is a church going christian person right

[00:48:33] so they're not saying that like the left thinks this what they're saying is some christians see him

[00:48:40] as a divinely chosen figure and other christians see him as an antichrist well i've even heard this

[00:48:48] entertained to where some people on the right think that he might be the antichrist and embrace it

[00:48:53] because they're like that means it's in times yeah which goes back to what we were just saying

[00:48:58] fucking hell yeah oh but what i've also seen a lot of is he's not perfect but none of us are and he's

[00:49:05] the perfect person for this job and i'm like you would never be so forgiving of me right like it hurts

[00:49:13] my feelings like personally because i'm like the guilt that i am expected to have over some of the

[00:49:21] choices i've made in my life or some of the events that i've endured and to know that you would forgive

[00:49:28] him but not me right why what did he ever do like i don't and and then yeah yeah i know i shouldn't i

[00:49:37] shouldn't be wanting forgiveness from these people like that's a me problem right but no actually it's

[00:49:44] it's a world problem look at who they are willing to forgive versus who they aren't you know and this

[00:49:51] is this is i we're delving in a little bit of politics here but i mean the truth is that religion

[00:49:58] and the right-wing politics and the right-wing media have essentially narrowed down what republicans and

[00:50:07] christians care about to about two to three issues right and so these these people that are on the

[00:50:13] right that are politicians only have to be strongly adamant about two to three ideas to win

[00:50:21] the support of their followers and the rest of it doesn't fucking matter no the rest of it is just

[00:50:27] whatever right and and they don't care right it they've been told these things are so important

[00:50:33] you would vote a piece of shit into office in order to get them accomplished guns god and anti-abortion

[00:50:39] right that's all they care about right nothing else as long as those three things are covered

[00:50:44] yep you're good yeah yeah why not it's the easy way to go even if the god part is done by somebody

[00:50:50] who's not godly doesn't doesn't really matter no to them no i mean he can get up there and hold the

[00:50:55] bible upside down but it doesn't matter because he's still pushing god like it doesn't matter he's still

[00:51:01] he may be doing a bad job but he's still putting the word of god out there yeah and that's more than

[00:51:07] any other president as like i've literally heard people say this though yeah yeah so pope john paul ii

[00:51:12] and pope francis um various protestant groups have accused modern popes the two that i just mentioned

[00:51:19] of being the antichrist due to their roles in the catholic church which some view as a quote

[00:51:26] babylonian institution tied to revelation the book thereof you know okay all right pope francis in

[00:51:34] particular has been targeted for his quote unquote progressive stances on issues like climate change

[00:51:42] and lgbtqia plus inclusion i'm did did god weigh in on climate change does that matter in the grand

[00:51:49] scheme of like religion no but um actually he kind of did in that he did charge man through adam take

[00:51:59] care of this shit right which would indicate to me that you you know should should take care of it but

[00:52:05] christians since then have said no we're just passing through i'm on my way to somewhere better i can

[00:52:13] dirty this shit up i don't fucking care i'm on my way right it doesn't matter earthquake i'm i'm going

[00:52:22] to heaven either god's gonna save me or or i'm gonna die and god's gonna take me to heaven right it's fine

[00:52:32] either way yeah i'm i'm at peace with it yeah so let's talk about some cultural figures that have

[00:52:38] been accused of being the antichrist okay yeah jane fonda she's not on my list really i'm sure

[00:52:44] henry or was it henry you know whatever any fonda is bad you know for most people so yeah i just

[00:52:51] i figured that was gonna be one of them nope the beatles especially john lennon yeah yeah the band's

[00:52:59] massive influence and lennon's infamous comment that they were more popular than jesus field claims of

[00:53:08] satanic connections and antichrist accusations yeah yeah okay so that's fun sure next one on my list

[00:53:15] is bill gates yeah yeah right heard that one yeah conspiracy theories have linked gates to the

[00:53:21] antichrist particularly around the covet 19 pandemic suggesting his advocacy for vaccines

[00:53:27] and global health is part of a sinister plot involving microchips and the mark of the beast yep

[00:53:34] definitely heard that one elon musk which is another um figure that is like tearing the christian

[00:53:42] community in half right some have speculated that his focus on ai space exploration and transhumanism

[00:53:51] aligns with fears about technological overreach and potential end times prophecy yeah this fucker's

[00:53:58] i mean he's digging into some really crazy shit yeah and uh and people were worried about fucking

[00:54:05] credit cards yeah you know 20 years ago they were worried about bill gates today right yeah yeah right

[00:54:10] exactly but elon musk can do no wrong yeah yeah the the inability to see evenly it's just astounding it

[00:54:21] really is so let's talk about some pop culture and conspiracy theories ready okay mikhail gorbachev

[00:54:28] yeah his birthmark which some saw as resembling the mark of the beast and his role in dismantling the

[00:54:36] ussr led to suspicions of him being an antichrist why because i just told you he had a scar that

[00:54:44] they thought resembled the mark of the beast and he had a role in dismantling the ussr that's like

[00:54:50] we i mean that we wanted that but that was a good thing but now we i don't know okay i can't explain

[00:54:59] christians i'm done trying right yeah yeah henry kissinger is that who you're trying to think that

[00:55:04] fucker is the antichrist his global influence as u.s secretary of state made him a frequent target

[00:55:12] of cold war era antichrist accusations yeah no doubt this one i hadn't heard i find this one very

[00:55:19] interesting prince charles now king charles the third royal watchers linked his lineage and global

[00:55:27] presence to theories about him being the antichrist okay i don't know if he's an antichrist but he sure

[00:55:32] is a pedo right yeah and he nasty too right and he's a lazy fuck yeah i don't i can't speak to that

[00:55:39] i don't know anything about him there was this whole thing where he couldn't even pick up his own fucking

[00:55:43] pen like um somebody had to like come twist the pen for him and dip it in the ink for him oh wow yeah

[00:55:51] and he's like that's that's some uh and yeah and i i read a somebody like used to work in the palace or

[00:55:59] something yeah and they did like this expose or something and she was like yeah like you have to

[00:56:07] um be available all night because you might have to run into his room to tuck him back in and to bring

[00:56:16] him his teddy bear and oh my god yeah yeah what the right oh england just needs to ditch that shit

[00:56:23] but i'm just like okay p diddy like you're the same you have too much money you know right that's

[00:56:29] basically what it is you have too much money you are not accountable to anybody and so you just

[00:56:35] like have these ludicrous demands of other people here's the thing i feel like with uh this is my

[00:56:41] feelings on the english monarchy right and that's that it's kind of outlived its um cuteness yeah

[00:56:48] yeah it's it's it went from like uh you know it went from something that was like a drama to now

[00:56:56] it's like desperate housewives yeah or something you know i mean it's just it's it's it's fucking nutty

[00:57:01] all the time you should see the people in uh the comments argue over whether um prince harry and

[00:57:09] megan markle yeah are good or bad there's no in between i just i don't understand why anybody gives

[00:57:15] a fuck about any of that i'm like they're people who have money to live however the fuck they want

[00:57:21] to because they were born that way well okay so the good the people that say that they're good are like

[00:57:27] they were trying to leave the monarchy and get out and all they asked for was um could we just have

[00:57:35] a security detail right that's it yeah okay so those are the people that are defending them right

[00:57:40] now here's the other half of of it i don't know how much of this is true they were like um yeah

[00:57:45] they're rich enough they can pay for their own fucking um detail security detail and also um they

[00:57:52] wanted to keep their titles which no and also um they were an embarrassment to the the and i'm like

[00:58:00] oh because y'all are an embarrassment to yourselves wait but is this is this because megan markle looks

[00:58:06] slightly black right is that what this is you're racist it was a thing right off the bat i think

[00:58:11] so like i didn't even know she was black until they told me because she's so light-skinned and i was

[00:58:16] like y'all so thin-skinned that like her her slight tan fucking like made you pee your pants you were so mad

[00:58:26] about her slight like jesus right man okay sorry we're like antichrist yeah antichrist yeah yeah

[00:58:33] all right so here's some key trends in accusations okay okay yeah these accusations often reflect

[00:58:41] cultural anxieties or political divides of the time sure figures with global influence particularly

[00:58:48] those who promote change or challenge the status quo are especially prone to being cast in the

[00:58:55] antichrist role by conspiracy theorists of course the idea of the antichrist is deeply intertwined with

[00:59:02] christian eschatology especially interpretation of the end days in the bible yeah okay like the end is

[00:59:11] near and we have reached the end times right you know all of those the end is fucking not i was gonna

[00:59:18] say you said it wrong the first time it's nigh you know i'm here yeah gotta say nigh the end is near

[00:59:23] i and the end i was just being funny okay okay okay sorry sorry these ideas come primarily from passages

[00:59:31] in the book of revelation second thessalonians um daniel and first john okay while interpretations vary

[00:59:41] across denominations many link the antichrist with specific signs and events signaling these end times

[00:59:49] okay okay yeah how the antichrist fits into end times prophecies are you ready for this i'm ready so

[00:59:55] exciting the antichrist is often seen as a charismatic leader who deceives the world opposes god and

[01:00:03] establishes a global system of governance or worship in opposition to christianity

[01:00:12] i guess trump at least so far has not stood in opposition to christianity so he has warped it some

[01:00:19] though hanny oh he's definitely warped it but he hasn't stood in opposition of it i would say the

[01:00:25] warping of it is in opposition of it okay all right i i think that it's an interesting twist because

[01:00:32] now the christians are at war amongst themselves as to you know even more what is the right type of

[01:00:41] christianity right like is that not thwarting yeah um so according to the book of revelation this figure

[01:00:50] is associated with the beast who brings chaos wars and persecution of the faithful right some believe

[01:00:58] the antichrist will enforce the mark of the beast 666 which controls commerce and allegiance to his

[01:01:05] rule okay yeah exciting stuff okay so let's talk about biblical context ready i'm ready in second

[01:01:12] thessalonians chapter 2 verses 3 and 4 the antichrist is described as the man of lawlessness

[01:01:20] who exalt himself above all gods and claims divinity he's he's he hasn't quite got there not those words

[01:01:32] specifically but his people have done it for him yeah yeah and he does not dispute it once he's in

[01:01:39] office we'll see how it goes he does exalt himself above all gods he does well we know we know that to be

[01:01:46] true probably but not in so many words right but definitely you just tell yeah yeah yeah um revelation

[01:01:53] chapter 13 depicts a beast rising from the sea empowered by satan deceiving nations and demanding

[01:02:00] worship okay yeah okay and then number three the final confrontation christians anticipate jesus's second

[01:02:11] coming when the antichrist and his followers will be defeated and god's kingdom will be established on

[01:02:18] earth flowers for everyone i see okay i'm this is i mean talk about the pay-per-view rights on the

[01:02:25] jesus versus trump fight jesus christ fucking netflix better not host that shit crash yeah so let's talk

[01:02:33] about the end times that's fun okay current events and miss interpretation of the end time signs okay

[01:02:41] yeah certain global events often become fodder for claims that we are living in the end times

[01:02:49] based on their alignment with perceived biblical prophecies okay so i've got a list of a few here okay

[01:02:56] yeah we got wars and conflict the bible warns of wars and rumors of wars in matthew chapter 24

[01:03:04] yeah events like the ukraine war middle eastern tensions or rising geopolitical conflicts are

[01:03:11] interpreted as signs always almost never i mean there's never not there's never not war yeah yeah

[01:03:17] yeah um number two global pandemics covet 19 and other disease outbreaks are linked to the quote

[01:03:25] pestilences mentioned in matthew chapter 24 or the plagues of revelation vaccine mandates and rumors of

[01:03:33] microchips have been tied to the mark of the beast yeah all right this is silly right okay number three

[01:03:40] economic turmoil what global recessions cryptocurrency and moves toward digital currency raise fears of a

[01:03:50] cashless society which some associate with the antichrist economic control as mentioned in revelation

[01:03:57] chapter 13 and yet the right wing buys into all this like so hard yeah like i don't okay whatever

[01:04:05] whatever okay it's all right it's the it's the the very he doesn't have to thwart christians because

[01:04:14] they are thwarting themselves you know what i mean he's like all i did was stand there and then i turn

[01:04:21] around and farted on all of them and they were like please more master all right number four climate

[01:04:28] change and natural disasters increases in earthquakes hurricanes and wildfire wildfires are seen as

[01:04:36] fulfillment of matthew chapter 24 verse 7 and revelations judgments on earth no um revelation

[01:04:45] apostrophe s okay okay judgment on earth got it sorry the judgments that belong to revelation

[01:04:51] got it got it on earth i apologize you should number five technological advancements

[01:04:57] developments in artificial intelligence biotechnology and transhumanism which is to say

[01:05:05] brain computer interfaces not trans people no i i got it i mean i understand that you understand it but

[01:05:12] maybe some of our listeners did not and i did not know what transhumanism was so i wanted to make sure

[01:05:17] that everybody i apologize okay brain computer interfaces right so all of this ai and biotechnology and

[01:05:24] transhumanism stuff these are often viewed as humanity quote playing god and fulfilling prophecies of

[01:05:31] knowledge increasing in the last days as foretold in daniel chapter 12 verse 4 number six globalism

[01:05:42] yeah they've been talking about this one oh since myspace there's like a there's like a um thing it's

[01:05:47] like uh i almost want to say project 2030 or something like that but it's like some there's some sort of

[01:05:53] like corporate takeover that's going to happen in 2030 or something like that where yeah there's this

[01:05:58] whole conspiracy theory behind it and i'm sure it's all tied into oh that's some of this shit

[01:06:02] somewhere but i i can't keep track of all the crazy conspiracy theories out there they're out of

[01:06:07] control they really are they like picked the wrong century to all exist at once it's too hard you know

[01:06:13] the amazing thing to me and and and kudos to whoever does this but the way they weave them all into like

[01:06:19] one major theory is kind of amazing it's kind of like i don't know how you get from like you know

[01:06:26] birds don't exist to corporate takeovers to microchips and i but it all links together

[01:06:32] and it all links together and sasquatch yeah sure i mean and aliens but also god right yeah but if you

[01:06:41] put all of that into chat gpt you'd still come up with a shit story right i mean it would give you

[01:06:47] like maybe a place to start but not a very good place to start i know because i've i've tried using

[01:06:55] chat gpt and it does not write well right it does a bad job it's not very creative yeah so number

[01:07:02] six globalism efforts for international cooperation which is to say the united nations world economic

[01:07:10] forum etc yeah united nations got shit for a long time for being yeah what called cooperative group

[01:07:17] or whatever like the earthbound federation you know how dare i see that as like like yes please can

[01:07:23] we all unite and agree on things that would be awesome it would be so cool if we had like a un

[01:07:27] that was actually a un that was like no we're the good guys and we're gonna take care of the planet

[01:07:33] and we're gonna police the planet but only in a good guy way because all the countries are getting

[01:07:37] together to decide it together and you can only be here if you're on the good guy team and these are

[01:07:44] mandates and they include you know backing oh fixing climate change and and trying to get rid of making

[01:07:54] it worse right but no instead we just give like um veto power to the top three countries or whatever

[01:07:59] top four countries and they're like uh yeah we don't want to do that and we have no power

[01:08:05] we can't do anything good stuff number six oh i just read that one that was the globalism one

[01:08:13] so yeah that's bad we hate we hate a government that that is countries working together right we don't

[01:08:20] like that number seven moral decay oh these damn kids and they're saying shoot dang and fudge that's

[01:08:29] cursing what did we decay from because like in the bible right it seems like he's always had a

[01:08:38] problem with uh moral decay yeah he's never quite liked what his people did or are doing sometimes

[01:08:45] they peed on the wrong side of the tent yeah but they was always fucking on the wrong side yeah so

[01:08:52] perceived societal shifts shifts away from traditional religious values is a fancy way of saying

[01:08:59] they don't like the gays and it's a lot more gay happy out in the world now than it used to be

[01:09:06] so that's the moral decay well and and atheists and and secularism and i mean there's there's so much to

[01:09:13] that when it says traditional religious values traditional family values we're we're talking about

[01:09:20] anti-gay sentiment sure but you could also equate things like um you know single parents and i mean

[01:09:27] there's so much in that that is women having the choice to have kids without a man around right

[01:09:32] those bitches no it's the empowerment of individuals and people and and ideas that that scares the church

[01:09:39] yeah overall yeah and and part of that is the lgbtqia i don't want to diminish that at all right but

[01:09:46] it the church is scared of change the church is scared of of moving forward and so they push ideas of

[01:09:54] stagnation yeah this is such an interesting way to phrase this listen to this perceived societal shifts

[01:10:01] away from traditional religious values are linked to second timothy chapter 3 verses 1 through 5

[01:10:08] which describes people becoming quote lovers of themselves and turning away from god so the more

[01:10:15] that you are trying to learn about others and develop compassion and you know become more global

[01:10:23] aware right be woke if you will that that is you loving yourself and turning away from god

[01:10:32] what like i think you have it exactly motherfucking wrong yeah i was told today that um in a conversation

[01:10:40] with somebody online that um that god you know lets us know that he's there and that it's our fault

[01:10:47] that we are um atheists and that we choose not to see god oh that can't possibly be true

[01:10:53] and i'm like i don't trust i never saw god i don't know what the fuck you're talking about no that

[01:10:58] never happened to me yeah yeah and and trust me there have been times in my life where it would

[01:11:03] have been better had i seen or heard from dude right yeah i mean nobody wants to be miserable come on

[01:11:11] come on right yeah stupid fuck um why these views persist is a great next topic confirmation bias

[01:11:21] those looking for signs of the end times often find patterns in current events that match their

[01:11:27] expectations yeah fear of change rapid advancements and crises can feel apocalyptic to many

[01:11:36] fueling religious interpretations sure yeah i'm very scared of change but i'm aware of it right i i think

[01:11:44] that you have to recognize change in order to be able to act on it or act you know appropriately and

[01:11:50] that's part of why we aren't doing things in this country is because we aren't reacting appropriately

[01:11:55] yeah yeah historical precedent similar claims have been made throughout history such as during the black

[01:12:02] death the cold war um both world wars yeah um you know it's just we always do this right

[01:12:09] these interpretations often reflect cultural anxieties rather than actual prophecy fulfillment

[01:12:17] however they remain compelling to many people because they provide a framework to make sense of chaotic

[01:12:24] and uncertain times sure well and you were mentioning reasons why people believe these things and i think

[01:12:30] that you know you missed a couple that were like peer pressure you know like people just simply being

[01:12:36] amongst other people that believe these same things and and i think the most important one is probably

[01:12:43] power right like churches have power over their congregations yeah and they they draw their income

[01:12:50] and their living from their congregations so that's a power structure right there those churches have

[01:12:56] higher structures that you know feed them money as well the hierarchy so those people will have a power

[01:13:02] structure over the churches and on up the line it's a big pyramid scheme it really is it's churches all

[01:13:08] the way down well and you can even take it on out from there to where this churches and groups of churches

[01:13:15] have political power and so that way really their top bosses once you go all the way up that chain

[01:13:21] is going to be politicians and politics because they're going to feed like the the churches feed the

[01:13:29] politicians and the the politicians feed the the churches right it's just a a cycle yeah that that keeps

[01:13:35] going back in on itself and and the churches have a captive audience that they can speak to so and

[01:13:42] that's that's very enticing to politicians as well it's interesting all the different pipelines we have

[01:13:47] because you know you say pipeline and um the one that heartbreakingly comes to mind first is the

[01:13:54] um street to jail pipeline you know the right school to street to jail to street pipeline yeah yeah

[01:14:04] yeah definitely so we've got pipelines at the top pipelines at the bottom and you know we want to

[01:14:10] break one and well we want to break them both right it's just interesting yep yep did you have

[01:14:19] anything else that we were covering today or fuck that guy so are you convinced of a a antichrist or

[01:14:29] multiples of them no no why i mean what what why would that even be a question you would ask like you

[01:14:37] know me like um no it was a joke okay all right um here's my next question for these bible-y scholar

[01:14:44] people's yeah studying the prophecies right yeah can you see why they would see trump either as a

[01:14:55] um antichrist the antichrist or a harbinger thereof can i see why they see that yeah definitely

[01:15:03] i told you when we were talking about that i mean if there's been anybody that embodies the idea of

[01:15:07] what i thought what the antichrist stood for it's an it's trump trump trump embodies everything that i

[01:15:13] imagine the antichrist would be i was trying to explain my feelings about this to um i i had hired a

[01:15:23] writing coach for a few months yeah and i was trying to explain how this when trump won the election the

[01:15:31] first time around how him being the embodiment embodiment of so much evil had impacted my ability

[01:15:39] to write because what can you possibly write now he is the ultimate he he is the epitome of bad right there

[01:15:49] is no bad guy because there's trump right you know and like i couldn't conceive of a villain or stakes

[01:15:59] that were high enough or hard enough or scary enough because trump right and like i granted i

[01:16:06] recognized that that was just me panicking in that moment about how serious and scary it was to have

[01:16:14] him as our president sure but now that he's there again like i still feel that way and toward that end

[01:16:23] where i was um having this discussion with my at the time writing coach um i have another friend who

[01:16:32] is in therapy and excuse me um the therapist told my friend that um she had parted ways with another

[01:16:42] therapist who had um had complaints about her because um this is so interesting i'm trying to think how to

[01:16:53] phrase all of this so um some of her not my friend's therapist but the other one okay yeah so we'll call

[01:17:02] her like therapist x okay okay therapist x had gotten questions from some of her um patients clients

[01:17:12] whatever um you know i'm concerned about the election and blah blah blah and politics is so scary

[01:17:20] and a lot of these patients were people of color and so they were like you know i'm feeling particularly

[01:17:25] persecuted blah blah blah and you know some of them were even brave enough to ask like i need to know

[01:17:31] who you voted for because i'm sharing i'm bearing my soul to you yeah and it's important right and she

[01:17:37] had voted for trump and so these clients people of color were asking her like you know

[01:17:46] how how how how do you think that makes me feel like to know that like you are more concerned about

[01:17:54] your paycheck and the price of eggs than your own clients lives like we bear our soul to you we tell you

[01:18:00] the things that we're going through that are hardships in our lives and you're voting for somebody who

[01:18:07] wants to deport us or kill us or put us in jail just because of the color of our skin like

[01:18:13] how how how and so um she got very like defensive with these clients patients whatever yeah and was kind

[01:18:25] of let go and i just i found that situation so disturbing and um not even sure where i was going with

[01:18:36] that other than to say these things impact us on such a personal level you know not just not just like

[01:18:45] the country and the world are in turmoil but just even in our own living room sitting at our desk

[01:18:51] you know they freeze us or you know trying to find somebody that you can trust and confide in

[01:18:59] and you can't because they voted for trump yeah the antichrist sure yeah i don't i don't know how to

[01:19:08] follow that up that was a um that was a trauma dump right right yeah yikes um but uh definitely definitely

[01:19:17] let us know what you what do you do you agree do you think trump is the embodiment of what

[01:19:24] the antichrist is pitched as do you know do you like what what are your impressions like what how do

[01:19:29] you view this whole you know the the christians having you know this whole end times thing that

[01:19:37] they they stand behind you deal with it you have anybody in your life like that i'd love to hear

[01:19:41] stories from people so yeah yeah whether whether you have deconstructed you're in the process of

[01:19:47] deconstructing um whether you've never been in religion much like me and husband or you know

[01:19:53] religion is in your rear view mirror far past like all spectrum of of that like what are your thoughts

[01:20:01] on that yeah no i'd definitely be interested um so i think is that all we've got for today yeah um

[01:20:07] i really wanted to go more in depth but we haven't read enough new testament particularly revelation

[01:20:15] well we had an hour and 20 minutes worth of material just right there oh well so i think

[01:20:20] we were pretty in depth there okay just kidding i don't know when i like get a bone sometimes i just

[01:20:26] got annoyed yeah and i didn't realize um it's been so long yeah yeah sorry no that's right it's right

[01:20:33] it was a good i think it was a good conversation all right well i'm done all right we'll see you guys uh

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