Bible Study BY Atheists: Ezekiel Chapters 1 - 5 plus Q&A and Patreon teaser

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[00:01:50] Spend why guess what we're doing today. Well, we're starting a new book of the Bible

[00:01:56] We are is what is it? It's um what I like to call easy Kyle. No, no, no, no

[00:02:04] No, Ezekiel. Yes. Okay, that is correct easy K. No, no, no, okay

[00:02:10] So yeah, we're starting a new book of the Bible which is a Zikiel

[00:02:14] Indeed I

[00:02:16] Kind of threw you off with that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah

[00:02:19] And so are you do you have anything to say before we get into this or we just get just hoppin in

[00:02:25] Just want to let you know ahead of time up front. Yeah, I think this book is gonna be fucking wild wild

[00:02:31] Wild I think that's the first time I've heard you use that descriptor for a for a book of the Bible

[00:02:36] I'm not saying good or bad just wild. Okay. All right. Well, I'm kind of excited now

[00:02:42] As well you should be all right. You ready to do this I am yes, let's get into it. Okay. Okay

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[00:04:29] All right, so we are hopping into easy Kyle

[00:04:36] Okay, a zee keel chapter one

[00:04:39] See the second that you tell me that something annoys you I feel obligated

[00:04:44] I know you do to go with it. I don't even have to tell you you just have to like glean it for yourself

[00:04:48] For those keeping track at home that was husband rolling his eyes at me the sound thereof

[00:04:54] Also, the second I tell you not to do something is the second that you double down and do it harder. Yes

[00:04:59] Yes, and it's almost like you forget. It's like you don't even know me

[00:05:04] Well, sometimes I feel like I could have like a rational conversation with you about it

[00:05:08] Like an adult one. Yeah. Yeah, but then that doesn't ever work out ever ever. No

[00:05:15] All right, so is he keel chapter one is

[00:05:18] About a prophet and his divine vision. Let me guess his name is a zee keel

[00:05:24] Yeah, and he has a divine vision. Okay, okay, and

[00:05:28] in

[00:05:30] The one that we're reading the version that we're reading it

[00:05:34] Subtitled as Ekeels vision of God, but in other versions

[00:05:38] It's subtitled is Ekeels inaugural vision

[00:05:43] Okay, and so

[00:05:45] There's like an argument about which fits better. I guess

[00:05:49] Even though the first verse refers to visions plural. Okay, so all right that would you know

[00:05:56] Yeah, what you think that strike that it's not just the first one. It's not just one collection of yeah

[00:06:01] Yeah

[00:06:02] So before I get into reading this

[00:06:04] I just wanted to tell us a little bit about who this guy is and what this books about sure. Okay

[00:06:09] Yeah, so the first three verses form a

[00:06:13] Supercription of the book and they contain the identity of the prophet as well as the time in place that the prophecy was received and delivered

[00:06:22] Okay

[00:06:23] Now having read some of the notes

[00:06:25] I would be less inclined to call this a prophecy and more a vision

[00:06:30] But I'm just gonna put that out there

[00:06:32] You do with that as you will and maybe we'll come back to that at the end and you tell me what you think

[00:06:38] Okay, all right. Yeah. There are two distinct introductions

[00:06:42] Verse one is in first person and it's where he introduces himself. Hey yo, my name is Ezekiel. What up?

[00:06:50] Yeah, and then verses two and three are the only two verses in this entire book written in third person

[00:06:57] It's like somebody interrupted and was like oh hey, um, here's the year and whatever got it

[00:07:02] Okay, so one felt that was really important later on probably um

[00:07:06] Yeah, I think because there was some confusion

[00:07:10] In in verse one the way he says it. Okay

[00:07:14] So let's just start the book now and then I'll pause as we go through sound okay. Yeah, all right

[00:07:21] So Ezekiel chapter one

[00:07:23] In my 30th year in the fourth month on the fifth day

[00:07:29] While I was among the exiles by the K-bar river the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God

[00:07:36] Okay, now he says in this verse in my 30th year. Yeah, but most translations say in the 30th year of

[00:07:45] The exiles of what right? That's the question nobody knows like are you saying the 30th year of your life?

[00:07:51] Which this translation assumes sure so they changed it to my 30th year

[00:07:55] Or are you saying the 30th year of somebody's reign or the exile or like what okay, so that's why

[00:08:05] We're gonna continue on and somebody clarifies okay. Yeah, so now we're starting verse two and then from there

[00:08:11] Okay

[00:08:12] On the fifth day of the month it was the fifth year of the exile of King Joaquin

[00:08:18] The word of the Lord came to Ezekiel the priest the son of boozy by the K-bar river in the land of the

[00:08:26] Babylonians there the hand of the Lord was upon him so this sounds like he is one of the ones that got exiled

[00:08:33] Earlier on and is out there in Babylon right? Yes, that is that is actually

[00:08:39] 100% correct. Okay, and so now I'm gonna read you a few notes about this with regard to placing it in time

[00:08:46] Got it. Okay. Yeah, so it's been suggested from what from verse one where Ezekiel says in the 30th year

[00:08:54] And we don't know if it's the 30th or my 30th. Yeah

[00:08:57] It's been suggested that the date that he's citing

[00:09:01] corresponds to July 24th

[00:09:04] 568 BCE

[00:09:06] But that doesn't really fit. Yeah, okay, so

[00:09:12] Going forward

[00:09:14] We have some notes that indicate Ezekiel was probably born sometime between

[00:09:20] 622 to

[00:09:22] 227 okay, and thus likely grew up during the reform years of King Josiah and King Josiah reigned from

[00:09:31] 640 to 609

[00:09:33] Okay, so and then he was born right in the middle of that. Got it. Yeah

[00:09:37] So Ezekiel had already been in Babylon five years and was now 30 years old

[00:09:43] The age at which he normally would have begun his priestly services in the temple in Jerusalem

[00:09:48] But he's not in Jerusalem. So he's in exile. He's an exile. Okay, okay, and so then I've got a little

[00:09:55] Timeline here. Okay, just to put everything into context. Yeah, okay, so in 640

[00:10:02] Josiah takes the throne. He's king. Okay, okay sometime between

[00:10:07] 627 and 622 Ezekiel is born. Okay, okay, and then in 609

[00:10:14] Josiah's son

[00:10:15] Jehovah has is briefly named king, but he's replaced by

[00:10:20] Joachim at the order of Niko of Egypt. Sure. Yeah

[00:10:24] Then in 605 Jerusalem was attacked and captives were taken to Babylon

[00:10:30] Ezekiel's not in that group. Got it. Okay in

[00:10:33] 598

[00:10:35] Jecaniah becomes king. Okay in

[00:10:38] 597

[00:10:39] Zedekiah becomes king and he was the final one. Okay, okay

[00:10:43] Jerusalem was attacked treasure taken from the temple and more captives taken to Babylon including Ezekiel and his wife

[00:10:52] Okay, got it. Well wasn't you skipped one? I thought I thought what came

[00:10:57] Was right before

[00:10:59] Joachim and Jecaniah are the same person. Okay. All right

[00:11:05] So yeah

[00:11:06] I didn't realize that until I was doing these notes that

[00:11:10] One is the biblical name and one is the common name. Okay, but they're the same guy

[00:11:17] Because you said something about Joachim or Joachim

[00:11:20] Which one is it the Joachim or Joachim?

[00:11:23] Mmm. Okay. So you said something about him when you were talking about Ezekiel just a minute ago

[00:11:28] So that's and then we skipped it as to like that was one of the people that they had exiled

[00:11:32] So I'm just curious. Yeah. Yeah

[00:11:36] Jecaniah is Joachim. Okay, okay

[00:11:39] And so he became king in 598, but that was real short right okay

[00:11:44] And then so in 597 Zedekiah became king

[00:11:47] But it sounds like Ezekiel got exiled with Joachim or Jecaniah

[00:11:54] No, I'm not there yet. Okay. No, right

[00:11:58] When Zedekiah became king

[00:12:00] Jerusalem was attacked treasure was taken from the temple and more captives

[00:12:04] This is the second wave. Okay, we're taking a Babylon and that wave included Ezekiel and his wife

[00:12:11] Got it. Okay. And then in

[00:12:14] 593 is when Ezekiel has his vision. Okay, okay, and then in

[00:12:20] 587

[00:12:21] Jerusalem falls and almost everyone remaining in the kingdom was exiled

[00:12:25] Zedekiah the last king of Judah is blinded and imprisoned sure

[00:12:29] Okay, so we have a better sense of where it is and what's going on right?

[00:12:34] so

[00:12:36] the verse and

[00:12:38] Verses two and three like I said, they're not Ezekiel's they're an added interruption and we don't know who did that sure okay

[00:12:46] Okay, all right, so let me go back now and we're gonna just continue on okay

[00:12:52] So we've read the first three verses and already had tons of notes

[00:12:55] But I felt like it was important to understand how this all fit together set the stage. Yeah, yeah

[00:13:01] Okay, so now we're getting into his vision ready. I'm ready

[00:13:05] I looked and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north an immense cloud with flashing lightning and

[00:13:13] Surrounded by brilliant light the center of the fire looked like glowing metal

[00:13:18] And in the fire was what looked like four living creatures

[00:13:22] Oh in appearance their form was human

[00:13:25] But each of them had four faces and four wings what it's kind easily off the drugs right yeah

[00:13:32] Their legs were straight their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze

[00:13:39] Hmm under their wings on their four sides

[00:13:41] They had human hands all four of them had faces and wings and the wings of one touched the wings of another

[00:13:49] Okay, each one went straight ahead. They did not turn as they moved

[00:13:54] Their faces look like this each of the four had the face of a human being and on the right side

[00:14:01] Each had the face of a lion and on the left side the face of an ox and each also had the face of an eagle

[00:14:08] This is kind of crazy, right? What the fuck is happening?

[00:14:12] I don't know but for four people faced p things flying at you for people each had four faces

[00:14:19] Okay, okay and different animals and man this guy's on some good shit, right? Yeah such were their faces

[00:14:26] They each had two wings spreading out upward

[00:14:29] Each wing touching that of the creature on either side and each had two other wings covering its body

[00:14:37] Okay, okay. Yeah, each one went straight ahead

[00:14:41] Wherever the spirit would go they would go without turning as they went so they're like all together one unit

[00:14:48] Yeah, okay. Okay the appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches

[00:14:56] Fire moved back and forth among the creatures. It was bright and lightning flashed out of it. Wow

[00:15:02] The creature sounds like a storm. It sounds like maybe in drugs. It sounds like a storm in drugs a storm of drugs

[00:15:11] It's raining drugs over here. Yeah, the creature sped back and forth like flashes of lightning

[00:15:17] But you mean it's because they were lightning probably

[00:15:22] I'm just I mean I was reading the notes and I was like what is happening, right as I looked at the living creatures

[00:15:29] I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces

[00:15:35] This was the appearance and structure of the wheels. Okay, we're gonna

[00:15:40] Yes, are you ready for this? I guess they sparkled like topaz Wow and all four looked a lot

[00:15:47] Damn each appeared to be made like a wheel

[00:15:51] Intersecting a wheel because they everything touches in his visions apparently go ahead and the wheels

[00:15:56] They have wheels within wheels and wings within wings. Mm-hmm as they moved they were faces within faces, right?

[00:16:03] Exactly, it's all just combined. Oh meta. Yeah as they move

[00:16:07] They would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced

[00:16:11] The wheels did not change directions as the creatures went the rims were high and awesome

[00:16:19] the lift kits

[00:16:22] And all four rims were full of eyes

[00:16:27] What is wrong with this guy?

[00:16:32] I'm a little bit confused. No, I'm not just a little bit confused. I'm like what is happening here. This is the Bible

[00:16:41] I'm sorry. I don't mean to be rude, but what the everlasting fuck. No, this is crazy

[00:16:48] When the living creatures moved the wheels beside them moved and when the living creatures rose from the ground

[00:16:55] The wheels also rose wherever the spirit would go they would go and the wheels would rise

[00:17:02] Along with them because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels

[00:17:07] We're okay, we're no Jesus Christ. We're talking about a living creature

[00:17:13] There's been no mention of God yet

[00:17:15] What kind of vision is this?

[00:17:18] Oh my god

[00:17:19] When the creatures moved they also moved when the creature stood still they also stood still and when the creatures rose from the ground

[00:17:28] The wheels rose along with them

[00:17:31] So all the things move together, okay because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels

[00:17:37] It was in the wheels

[00:17:40] Do you hear me?

[00:17:46] Listen with an open heart

[00:17:50] You have to open your heart

[00:17:54] Spread out above the heads of the living creatures was what looked like something like a vault

[00:18:00] A vault sparkling like crystal and

[00:18:07] Topaz wheels with eyeballs wasn't awesome enough now. We've got a ball that was

[00:18:13] Okay under the vault their wings were stretched out one toward the other and each had two wings covering its body

[00:18:21] You know the game just said yeah, okay when the creatures moved

[00:18:24] I heard the sound of their wings like the roar of rushing waters like the voice of the Almighty Oh

[00:18:33] Like the tumult of an army

[00:18:35] Okay, but don't you wonder how he heard the sound of the wings when they were touching each other the whole time?

[00:18:40] I don't know how they how do they wing? How do they do the wings shit? I'm not magic. So I don't know

[00:18:47] It's magic, but it sounded it sounded like the lord, huh?

[00:18:50] It's in the bible the the wings sounded like the word the the the lord the word of the lord

[00:18:56] The word of the lord yeah

[00:18:57] When they stood still they lowered their wings when there came a voice from the vault over their heads as they stood with

[00:19:04] Lowered wings. Oh here we go ready. I'm ready the voice right this has got to be god

[00:19:10] Oh, I'm so excited

[00:19:13] This is one hell of a vision. I told you that this book was gonna be crazy

[00:19:18] Something's crazy

[00:19:19] That's for sure above the vault over their heads was what looked like a throne of lapis lazuli

[00:19:27] Oh, man and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man

[00:19:32] Okay, okay. I saw that from what appeared to be his waist up. He looked like glowing metal

[00:19:39] Wow, not in the image of man, but glowing metal as a fool of fire

[00:19:44] In fire fire and metal. Okay from there down

[00:19:49] He looked like fire and brilliant light surrounded him

[00:19:53] Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day

[00:19:58] Maybe this guy looked at the sun too long. I don't know what's going on here, but this is craziness

[00:20:02] So was the radiance around him

[00:20:05] Hmm, okay

[00:20:06] This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the lord

[00:20:10] So it's not the lord. It's a likeness of the lord

[00:20:13] You know, we can't see the lord with our bare human little stupid puny eyeballs

[00:20:17] There's a likeness of the lord in the sky

[00:20:20] In a vault in a vault above

[00:20:22] crazy ass angels that with four four

[00:20:25] heads and

[00:20:27] wheels that have topaz eyeballs and eyeballs in them or something

[00:20:31] Okay, when I saw it. I fell face down

[00:20:35] I suppose I might if I saw that and I heard the voice of one speaking

[00:20:40] Okay, the end

[00:20:44] Yes, this is our introduction to azekiel. That's why I was like this book is gonna be wild

[00:20:50] Okay, now I have some notes. Okay. I gotta read you these notes. All right. Yeah

[00:20:57] So this description where he says the appearance of the the wheels and how they looked alike and the wheel was

[00:21:05] Intersecting the wheel. Yes

[00:21:07] This becomes the inspiration for the construction of the azekiel airship and what the fuck? Okay. Yes

[00:21:15] What has happened? Yes, we have to talk about this. This is a rabbit hole

[00:21:20] And

[00:21:21] Sorry guys. I was like we gotta get to this airship

[00:21:26] Okay, okay

[00:21:27] The azekiel airship was an early experimental aircraft conceived designed and built by the baptist minister

[00:21:36] Burell cannon, of course, his name was burell

[00:21:40] An experienced sawmill operator born in 1848 in coffeville, mississippi

[00:21:47] Okay, all right inspired by and named after the book of azekiel the crafts design featured four

[00:21:54] Wheel within a wheel paddle wheels powered by a four-cylinder gasoline engine

[00:22:01] There are unverified claims that it was flown in 1902 in Pittsburgh, Texas

[00:22:07] A year before the right flyer

[00:22:09] Flew at kitty hawk, north carolina

[00:22:12] And that's a little personal because you know the right brothers came from Ohio. Yeah, so right in fact our hometown Dayton

[00:22:20] so yeah

[00:22:22] In the presence of only a handful of witnesses

[00:22:25] The aircraft is alleged to have flown approximately

[00:22:29] 160 feet at a height of between 10 and 12 feet

[00:22:34] There is of course no physical evidence that such a flight ever took place

[00:22:39] And most historians have generally discounted any claims that the airship ever flew

[00:22:45] Okay, the original aircraft was destroyed in a storm near texar canna

[00:22:50] In route to st. Louis for the 1904 world's fair

[00:22:54] Got it. Okay. Okay

[00:22:56] Cannon had accepted a challenge extended by the organizers of the world's fair promising

[00:23:03] $100,000 back then that would be equivalent to over

[00:23:08] $35 million today. Yeah, so they were offering that to anyone who could make a

[00:23:14] Sustained controlled flight in st. Louis at that world fair. And so it you know got destroyed on the way

[00:23:21] Yeah, and then in 1922 cannon's original plans were destroyed in a fire. Oh man

[00:23:27] Yeah, this all sounds very convenient. Well, it's been reconstructed and is now in a museum in north carolina

[00:23:35] So you can go see it. Yeah, your rel cannon has been described as a renaissance man in an industrial

[00:23:43] industrial age

[00:23:45] Cannon had a strong command of engineering principles and he held patents for six different inventions

[00:23:52] Including designs ranging from marine propellers to windmills to cameras

[00:23:58] This guy was a tinkerer. He was a flim flam man in my opinion

[00:24:03] He apparently spoke eight different languages and did his preaching on the side before moving into tinkering and inventing

[00:24:10] Okay, okay. Yeah, so

[00:24:12] That we've got that that's he he built that based on you know the description in the bible

[00:24:19] Right and that it's a known thing. It's just a thing that we talk about. It's the azekiel airship

[00:24:25] You know, I didn't know anything about it until you know the azekiel airship

[00:24:29] But that's not all that that was more very modern compared to that's not anything to do with the bible

[00:24:34] No, it just was a fun rabbit hole. All right. I got another one ready. Okay. Let's talk about the spaceships of azekiel

[00:24:43] Okay, okay

[00:24:44] So there's a book called the spaceships of azekiel and it's a book by german engineer joseph f blumrich

[00:24:51] And it was published in 1974

[00:24:53] It's about a spaceship that was supposedly observed by the prophet azekiel as described in the book of azekiel in the tonnock

[00:25:01] That's funny. I just was listening to um a podcast where they were talking about

[00:25:07] Uh, tucker carlson actually it was the thinking atheist. So I was I was listening to that podcast

[00:25:12] And they were talking about how

[00:25:15] tucker carlson

[00:25:17] Mentioned that azekiel saw

[00:25:20] A spaceship because they were talking about ufo's and god. I mean and it was

[00:25:23] Anyway, apparently there's some thoughts that azekiel saw a ufo. Well this guy

[00:25:28] Blumrich he asserts that the account of azekiel in the bible was not a description of a meeting with god and a prophetic vision

[00:25:35] But one of several encounters with ancient astronauts in a shuttlecraft from another planet

[00:25:43] Blumrich wrote it while working in nasa's program development office

[00:25:48] Okay, he worked for fucking nasa. Yeah the book is rated 3.43 on goodreads

[00:25:55] But I couldn't get it from my library

[00:25:58] I'd have to order a physical copy right because it's that

[00:26:02] So maybe maybe what happened to azekiel is actually just like a close encounter. Is that what that was out of possibility?

[00:26:08] Okay drugs and a close encounter. Sure. That's what I'm thinking anyway now question

[00:26:13] We haven't heard the the god like image whatever we haven't heard him speak yet. That's in coming chapter

[00:26:19] Right, I'm excited about that. But was this a vision or a prophecy?

[00:26:24] I mean it seems like a vision. That's what I thought like this this seems

[00:26:28] Too crazy for a dream like why would you tell anybody this dream right?

[00:26:31] This is that just sounds nuts. You would have to have seen this in order to

[00:26:35] Like you would have to if you I don't know you would have to have seen this

[00:26:40] It would be like just too fucking nuts if I came home and I told you honey

[00:26:45] I saw this thing listen listen

[00:26:47] Listen, and then I told you about it

[00:26:49] You would look at me like I was cuckoo for cocoa puffs

[00:26:53] And you would call the men in white coats to come get me because you would be like

[00:26:58] You dumb flipped your lid and gone too far

[00:27:00] And I I would I would no I wouldn't call the people to come get you but I would definitely question

[00:27:05] You would be concerned what the hell is going on

[00:27:07] You would be like your mental health has never been great. Have you finally lost your goddamn mind?

[00:27:16] And if we saw this together

[00:27:18] We would both be like what the fuck did we just see?

[00:27:22] And I don't think we would try to tell people because then we'd be crazy

[00:27:26] We'd be labeled as flim flams ourselves. Yeah

[00:27:30] Well, I mean I'd want to find out what I saw if I if I saw something I'd be like I saw something

[00:27:36] But then I'd be like what the fuck was it because that can't be correct remember when we saw zombies falling from the sky

[00:27:42] Well, we saw lights

[00:27:43] Yeah, we didn't see we didn't see zombies. Okay, but they were zombies

[00:27:47] They turned out to be zombies which is a whole other story

[00:27:50] But like yeah that we saw lights that were like

[00:27:52] circling and then lining up and it turned out that it was a um

[00:27:57] A place that was like six or seven miles from us that was having

[00:28:01] Um skydiving it was like land time. It was land of illusion, right?

[00:28:05] Yeah, and they were um

[00:28:08] Yeah, they were doing a halloween

[00:28:10] Skydiving thing with with skydiving zombies. Yeah with torches. So that's what we saw

[00:28:15] But they had neglected to tell anybody so everybody was like calling the police like what the fuck is this?

[00:28:21] Yeah, yeah, what is happening? Right. Oh, you know just zombies falling out of the sky. No big

[00:28:27] Like if I would have seen one of those I'd have lost my shit

[00:28:30] But I'm more inclined to think that there is a

[00:28:33] Explanation for it than not so, you know me and your brother we were like well, it's the end of the world. I guess

[00:28:42] And you were running inside to go call the

[00:28:45] Meteorology people to be like okay, so a thing is happening. What is it? What is this? Yeah? Yeah

[00:28:51] So anyway, we got way off on topic on well, I mean maybe not though. Maybe ezekiel was seeing some

[00:28:59] You know skydiving zombies I more than like I'm yeah, it's just as likely

[00:29:04] It's just as likely as what he's claiming or some really rare, you know phenomenon like weather phenomenon

[00:29:10] You know that that would that would be more likely in my mind. That's what I think

[00:29:14] That's because he kept referring to lightning and you know, I'm like, okay

[00:29:17] So you saw something really weird and it means your eyes flash which you know can happen like

[00:29:23] Like when you see a really bright lightning and you can see like several different lightnings fork

[00:29:30] Into each other. Yeah. Um your eyes it'll be like you just look at the sun and your eyes will like

[00:29:36] Yeah, you can't see correctly light and stuff like that that are gonna be there and yeah

[00:29:40] You can't see correctly after that like that's happened to me before so

[00:29:44] Yeah, who knows what I'm thinking really weird weather phenomenon. That's that's what I'm thinking happened here

[00:29:48] And if if anything happened at all like if we're assuming that this actually happened and this just isn't all a lie

[00:29:54] Right. It was something weird weather phenomenon. Yeah, that's that's all I I wonder if there's a way to like trace storms

[00:30:03] Like no not from like 2000 years ago

[00:30:06] I know I'm just like man

[00:30:08] If we could like trace weather like that though to find out what kind of shit was happening like I know you could

[00:30:14] track like

[00:30:16] meteor

[00:30:18] um

[00:30:19] showers and stuff like that

[00:30:21] Yeah, and you know, right, right, but not just lightning storms. No, not just lightning. I know I'm just I'm thinking out loud

[00:30:28] Okay, all right

[00:30:29] I was just like that would be cool to be like no this thing

[00:30:33] Happened there and that's what he saw. No, but we can say what's more likely

[00:30:37] Was it a weather phenomenon or was it fucking what he described here?

[00:30:41] A god the more likely is that it was a weather phenomenon

[00:30:44] Because because that's just the that that that was just described to us here in the bible. That's weird

[00:30:50] It's weird like what an odd

[00:30:53] Configuration of items to smash together. Yeah. Yeah

[00:30:57] He's a weirdo. I mean he's probably been inundated if he's gonna be a if he was gonna be a prophet

[00:31:01] He's probably been inundated. No, he was gonna be a minister. He got tapped to be a prophet regardless

[00:31:07] He's spent his whole life being in the religious world of that time

[00:31:11] So he's been inundated with imagery and and beliefs and things like that

[00:31:16] And then he sees something weird and he's going to attribute weird things to it. Thanks. That's

[00:31:21] That's what I think probably if this happened is what happened

[00:31:25] So anyway, I agree with you obviously do you have any more little, uh, you know tidbits to share with us before we

[00:31:31] Get out of here. Um, I kind of want to read that book, but that's about we're not gonna read that book on air

[00:31:36] No, no, no

[00:31:39] No, I did I did add it to my um good reads. I want to read this book list. There you go. There you go

[00:31:46] All right, so that was a zekiel chapter one sure as fuck was which means we will be back tomorrow with

[00:31:52] Easy k chapter two zekiel chapter two. Bye guys. Bye

[00:32:02] Hey guys husband here before we hop into the podcast

[00:32:05] I just wanted to mention that we tried to do a live podcast on youtube last night and we did but the

[00:32:11] Audio quality is not the best and I do want to apologize for that up front

[00:32:16] Hopefully we will get this under control for the next episode

[00:32:19] In the meantime bear with us and I apologize for the bad audio. So enjoy or or not

[00:32:28] Husband wife, you know where the hell we are and how the fuck we got here

[00:32:33] Well, we just got done reading a zekiel chapter one and holy fucking shit

[00:32:40] I mean what even was that crap? It was a fever dream

[00:32:44] Fucking there was there was there was something in the sky like a spaceship with four heads of different animals

[00:32:52] There was wheels with eyeballs on it and within wheels

[00:32:57] And and lightning and I think there might have been drugs involved. I'm really not sure

[00:33:03] What we read because it was crazy was fucking crazy

[00:33:08] Um, this guy thinks it's god so

[00:33:11] Yeah, well

[00:33:12] And they called they called it a prophecy, but I feel like it was more of a vision than a prophecy

[00:33:18] And even vision I think is doing some heavy lifting there. Yeah. Yeah, no

[00:33:23] I feel like the guy was just off his brocker, but that's just me

[00:33:27] Well, I think that this chapter we're gonna get into is gonna be like the follow-up and then god said

[00:33:33] Yeah, okay. All right. That's my impression

[00:33:36] Right, um before we before we go on here

[00:33:39] I do want to mention that we are doing this episode live on youtube for one of our first times ever

[00:33:44] We have done some dabbling in this this field before but never unsuccessfully

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[00:34:13] Ezekiel chapter one sure as fuck was which means that in our podcast today

[00:34:17] We're getting into Ezekiel chapter two. All right, let's do this. Okey-dokey

[00:34:32] Okay, so we are jumping into chapter two of Ezekiel

[00:34:37] Okay, after that crazy chapter one. Are you ready to go? I am. Yeah, that was that was nutty

[00:34:44] And now i'm ready to see what is gonna follow that up because

[00:34:47] Well, dude fell prostrate on his face when he saw all that crazy shit happening in the sky

[00:34:53] As you might if you saw all that happening in this guy because what he described

[00:34:58] was

[00:34:59] It was crazy. Yes, that was that was that was

[00:35:02] I i'd be a little bit taken aback too

[00:35:05] So well, he he ended the previous chapter saying something like and then god spoke or something like that

[00:35:12] Yeah, that's right. Oh, yeah now god is getting ready to speak. Yes. Yes

[00:35:16] And I I wanted to recap that a little bit because it starts off. He said to me

[00:35:21] Okay, god god god said to Ezekiel. Yes. Yes. He said to me son of man stand up on your feet and I will speak to you

[00:35:31] Okay, whoa, whoa

[00:35:34] As he spoke the spirit came into me and raised me to my feet and I heard him speaking to me

[00:35:41] Oh, okay from inside my ears. Now now god is um embodying Ezekiel. He's literally up in him

[00:35:48] Okay, okay, and he was down on the ground

[00:35:51] Ezekiel was god had brought him to his feet. Okay, which is interesting because in the last chapter

[00:35:57] Um, Ezekiel was like I saw the face and it was cray

[00:36:00] And it's like but you were laying face down. How did you see it? Did you see it before you?

[00:36:05] Right, face down. Yeah, I don't know

[00:36:08] That's that's just me being um persnickety there. Sure, you know, so right all right. He said

[00:36:14] Son of man, I am sending you to the israelites to a rebellious nation that is rebelled against me

[00:36:21] You know as rebels do yeah, wasn't he already with the israelites?

[00:36:25] Um like he was part of the in the exile type deal

[00:36:28] Yeah, but he's saying that he's gonna send him hither and yawn

[00:36:32] He wants he wants Ezekiel to deliver this message to

[00:36:37] All of the israelites that are in captivity as well as all of the

[00:36:42] Israelites that have been scattered to the winds got it. Okay, okay

[00:36:46] Like there's some that are in egypt. There's some that are still in jerusalem like the the dregs

[00:36:53] Yeah, you know right right society are still down there. Yep, so he's saying go forth and say my message

[00:37:00] Okay, okay. Yeah, they and their ancestors have been in revolt against me to this very day

[00:37:06] because you're

[00:37:09] That was a wifeism. I think revolt is a strong word though

[00:37:12] They were they were revolting in in the sense that they were worshiping other gods that

[00:37:17] Like not in worshiping other gods is even like a little bit too strong. I feel yeah

[00:37:21] Yeah, I think you're right revolting is the wrong

[00:37:24] Verb they they were that would indicate that they actually gave a shit

[00:37:29] And I don't think they did no they just they're like whatever god can give me whatever

[00:37:34] I'm gonna worship at it. Yeah, and I'm gonna I'm gonna ask it to give me the things that I need

[00:37:39] I need rain and need crops. I need you know not to die from somebody attacking me

[00:37:44] And and so far god is just doing the bad shit to me. So I I'm just gonna worship something else because

[00:37:51] Well someone said that if I pray to this god over here that that brings the rain

[00:37:55] So when I give that a try, right? You know, yeah, like I think the revolt is the wrong word there

[00:38:01] I agree

[00:38:02] The people to whom this is god speaking

[00:38:05] The people to whom I am sending you are obstinate and stubborn. I will give him that they are

[00:38:12] They are obstinate and stubborn

[00:38:15] Again, I'm gonna I'm gonna push back a little bit there because

[00:38:19] When we've discussed it in the past

[00:38:21] We've mentioned that they don't even really feel like they care that much, right?

[00:38:26] Like they they aren't that affected by this god because they have all these other gods

[00:38:30] There's there's a lot of shit going on in their lives. They clearly don't have a lot of fear of this right?

[00:38:35] Yeah, that's what I'm that's kind of what I was getting at. Yeah, they don't seem to fear this god

[00:38:40] With the amount of fear that he wants them to fear he keeps saying fear me and they're like

[00:38:45] Right. Yeah, they're like

[00:38:47] I mean, you're just as scary as any other rich ain't much

[00:38:52] Say to them this is god again. Say to them. This is what the sovereign lord says

[00:38:57] You know cited them. I says I says and whether they listen or fail to listen

[00:39:02] But they are a rebellious people

[00:39:05] They will know that a prophet has been among them

[00:39:09] So that means that he's saying whatever the reception is don't worry about that. That's not

[00:39:15] That's not the main point here. The main point is that

[00:39:18] Whatever their reaction is you are delivering this message so that they can't say they later that they weren't told

[00:39:26] Okay, I get that but this is this the problem I have with this and he's saying that they will know

[00:39:31] That the lord sent him right?

[00:39:33] How yeah, we talked about this with Jeremiah as well

[00:39:38] There's all kinds of false prophets running around and if you're living during that time

[00:39:42] How the fuck you supposed to tell one from the other they both look like dudes living down the street from you

[00:39:47] Right, right. Yeah, I I don't get it. I literally don't get it. I don't either it doesn't make a lot of sense because

[00:39:54] You're supposed to believe this one guy

[00:39:57] Who is one amongst many as you said

[00:40:00] Who may or may not be telling you the truth because there's other people saying different things

[00:40:04] And there's lots of politics happening too like with Jeremiah

[00:40:07] We suspected that he was probably a double agent for Babylon

[00:40:12] So, I mean

[00:40:13] How's a normal person supposed to know who's really speaking for God?

[00:40:18] Who doesn't have politics in their back pocket?

[00:40:21] Who is actually telling me so I think that these people are being unfairly judged

[00:40:27] Pretending for a minute that there even is a god judging sure sure and it could be easily solved

[00:40:32] If if god would just come down and speak to the people the people instead of persons

[00:40:37] Right, he could solve this whole thing and like prove his existence

[00:40:41] And and there wouldn't be any question anymore, right?

[00:40:44] You know like he he always has to talk through

[00:40:47] This this one person secluded no witnesses

[00:40:52] Yeah, that's not who was apparently having a fever dream

[00:40:55] Right and this doesn't this isn't just exclusive to Ezekiel really right like Moses

[00:41:00] You could say the same thing like the shit that Moses did up on the mountain. Yeah, that was crazy

[00:41:05] That was that was nuts

[00:41:08] And I

[00:41:09] I just I don't take a lot of stock in the message here because you're you're having to believe one person

[00:41:15] So and this one person isn't any more believable than any of the other dudes

[00:41:19] Yeah, no definitely

[00:41:21] And you son of man god continues. Yeah, do not be afraid of them or their words

[00:41:27] Um, okay, I'm gonna push back. I know I keep pausing in between every sentence

[00:41:30] but I want to push back on that because

[00:41:32] Um, Jeremiah got thrown into a goddamn pit right and was beat

[00:41:38] He almost got killed prior to that he was stuck in a torture device in those stocks

[00:41:43] So i'm sorry you can be maybe a little bit afraid of them in their words. Maybe okay still go deliver the message

[00:41:51] But it I think is perfectly natural to have a little bit of fear of these bucks

[00:41:56] Right, you know they they weren't exactly peaceful and loving and to be fair

[00:42:01] I mean when we did research into this there's a there's a

[00:42:04] Good chance that azikio got killed by israelites. You mean i'm sorry. No, yeah, Jeremiah Jeremiah

[00:42:11] Got killed by israelite right stones today

[00:42:14] so

[00:42:15] God kept telling Jeremiah that he was gonna have his back

[00:42:19] And that he was gonna protect him and he just needed to go out there and speak the word but then

[00:42:23] according to

[00:42:24] many accounts

[00:42:26] Jeremiah died in the desert running away from Babylon towards Egypt

[00:42:31] When they thought he was a double agent and they stoned him to that like that is that is an actual

[00:42:36] one of the very

[00:42:38] highly thought very plausible very plausible things that could have happened to

[00:42:43] Jeremiah and i'm like

[00:42:44] So god didn't protect him right fucked him over

[00:42:48] Even though he was god's servant according to the bible according to Jeremiah. Yeah

[00:42:53] And baruch and all the other dudes that took up the writing in in his stead. Yes. Yes, so again azikio has a good reason to be

[00:43:02] Well that happened that happened after this time, I believe or after this moment

[00:43:08] Yes, so he wouldn't know that but i'm here to say having read this it's okay if you're afraid dude

[00:43:15] Right, you know i'm on here to be that voice of reason sure don't believe god. It's okay if you're scared

[00:43:22] Do not be afraid though briars and thorns are all around you and you live among scorpions

[00:43:29] I'm afraid. Sorry, right do not be afraid of what they say or be terrified by them though

[00:43:35] They are a rebellious people

[00:43:38] I mean, I just think that's a terrible message. I'm sorry. Yeah, I wouldn't say don't be afraid

[00:43:43] I would say, you know hold firm to your message or be brave in spite of all the hardships

[00:43:49] You're gonna endure in the coming days

[00:43:52] That would make better sense than even when they're like threatening your life and torturing you don't be afraid

[00:43:59] Like why that's not something you can help though. No, like bravery is not a lack of fear

[00:44:07] You know bravery is being scared and still doing the thing. Yeah

[00:44:11] So

[00:44:12] This is dumb the whole message is dumb. Yeah

[00:44:15] You must speak my words to them continues god, right whether they listen or fail to listen or they are rebellious

[00:44:23] He likes that word in this chapter. Yeah, he keeps repeating that they are very rebellious

[00:44:27] Are they rebellious? Did they rebel? I think they rebelled. They might be rebels. Yep. They're pretty rebellious those guys

[00:44:33] But you son of man listen to what I say to you

[00:44:37] Do not rebel like that rebellious people. Oh my god this word. Yeah

[00:44:43] Fuck

[00:44:46] Thesaurus here. Yes, they do open your mouth and eat what I give you

[00:44:52] I mean

[00:44:54] No, thank you

[00:44:56] If someone asks you to open your mouth and eat what they give you

[00:44:59] Don't fucking do it unless you really want to you say no, don't do it

[00:45:04] Yeah, when you walk into a room and there's a little table

[00:45:09] And there's a little cake that says eat me and a little bottle that says drink me

[00:45:14] We've all seen that story. We've all read that book. We know what's gonna happen. Don't do it

[00:45:19] Right, right. Yeah, then I looked and I saw a hand stretched out to me

[00:45:24] In it was a scroll which he unrolled before me on both sides of it were written words of lament and warning

[00:45:32] Whoa

[00:45:34] Whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah

[00:45:36] Whoa onto them the end

[00:45:39] So god is now handing zikiel a scroll. It's a magic scroll

[00:45:46] What

[00:45:48] So, okay, I have a few notes. Let's see if I can add anything to clear up what's happening

[00:45:55] Okay, all right. Yeah, so as we know zikiel was commanded and enabled to stand

[00:46:02] To receive that message

[00:46:05] And made him stand sure and then as he'll having been overwhelmed with the glorious vision in the previous chapter

[00:46:15] I totally agree with you. He's now strengthened and comforted because god is in

[00:46:20] Okay, all right. God's like they're there, baby. I guess it's all in how you view what you're seeing, right?

[00:46:25] Yeah, no

[00:46:26] So then as he killed is commissioned to declare to that

[00:46:31] rebellious house of israel

[00:46:33] the terrible judgment

[00:46:35] That would very shortly be coming upon the whole land

[00:46:38] And if they failed to repent, you know, this is what it's going to happen. Yeah

[00:46:44] Let me let me stop you for just a second. This is isn't zikiel

[00:46:48] We went over some of this the last chapter I think but isn't as he killed down in babelon with the exiles that went there earlier on

[00:46:55] Yes, he was in the second wave of those scooped up by babelon. So he's assuming that they can still

[00:47:02] fix

[00:47:03] What's like this is this is him pitching his story? Yes trying to say we can still fix what's coming down the pike here

[00:47:10] Okay, yes from from afar

[00:47:13] But

[00:47:14] This is the message that is correct. Okay. All right. I'm just just trying to check here

[00:47:18] No, you got it timeframes and all that kind of shit is all fucked up

[00:47:21] And that's why I put that time frame together in the last chapter because I was like hang on hang on when was this

[00:47:27] Yeah, I was so confused. So yes, you have the right of it. Okay. All right

[00:47:31] So with a gracious assurance to a zikiel that god would be constantly with him while executing the

[00:47:39] Difficult duties of his office. He gives him these words got it. Yeah, so he's like i'll be there with you

[00:47:44] Don't be afraid and I'm like dude

[00:47:47] Be afraid. Yeah, yeah

[00:47:49] so

[00:47:50] I don't know if you noticed but several times he called him son of man

[00:47:54] And that is a new phrase we haven't come across that before okay in the bible

[00:47:59] And it basically comes to he's calling him near human

[00:48:04] Sure, so he's like you near like basically he's like ya worm. Yeah mountain

[00:48:10] Okay, callbacks to things that you know, he's called them before

[00:48:14] and then

[00:48:15] um

[00:48:16] When he says oh, um, I also wanted to say son of man

[00:48:20] I don't know if you recall but that's a phrase that is used in the chronicles of narnia

[00:48:25] Aslan refers to the children as son of man and daughter of e

[00:48:30] Got it. That's so much nicer there though. It is

[00:48:33] It is but it it's still kind of

[00:48:36] Sure. No, it's an underhanded way of saying you are

[00:48:40] Beneath me. Yes and low. Yes. So exactly exactly

[00:48:46] Mere human anybody anytime you call anybody near anything

[00:48:50] Right like you're basically calling them small worthless and trash now

[00:48:53] I suppose I suppose we're supposed to take it in the sense that

[00:48:58] God is so much higher, right and therefore

[00:49:01] Everything to him is mere low and yeah mirror

[00:49:05] But i'm like no, i'm sorry. I don't respect you just because you have you know a doctor codon or whatever right?

[00:49:12] Yeah, you know earn earn it. Sorry. No, I agree

[00:49:15] So at this time the quote unquote children of israel as he has called them

[00:49:20] Yeah, um, they still had something of a kingdom in juda and a temple in jerusalem

[00:49:25] So to go with you know the timeline that you were presenting

[00:49:28] Those things had not been completely knocked over yet. Okay, so even so many of them were scattered by the forced exiles

[00:49:36] Under the assyrians and the babelone

[00:49:39] So don't forget the assyrians had come in and done a little bit of damage too, right before babelon

[00:49:45] Kick their ass. Yeah. No, there was a lot of up people point on yes

[00:49:48] that region in general during the time frame and because like the israelites were occupied by

[00:49:54] Egypt before assyria and then babelon and like there was just all kind of shit going on

[00:49:58] Yeah, so israel was just this little small thing just looking back and forth like a tennis match between these three giant parties going

[00:50:05] Okay, right. Yeah, could I just live? Yeah, and they were like no

[00:50:12] And that's that's the part that bothers me

[00:50:16] Sorry guys that these guys were um taking all this and

[00:50:25] It was it was it was just politics. It was it was the up people that was going on in that area at the time

[00:50:30] It was just a land grab and it was just politics, right?

[00:50:34] And and they're attributing a lot of god

[00:50:36] Shit to all this right. There was nothing holy about wanting to own all that land

[00:50:41] Right, it was just it was just the way things were people were conquering this

[00:50:45] Group and they were conquering the other groups and you know, that's how things were going

[00:50:48] They were fighting for resources the end, you know

[00:50:52] so

[00:50:53] Many of them were scattered blah blah blah blah blah and

[00:50:56] So like I was telling you

[00:50:58] God was saying to ezekiel that the word was for all of them regardless of where they live got it

[00:51:05] Okay, so then we go on and ezekiel is warned that he might suffer cruel treatment

[00:51:11] At the hands of his countrymen, which I was like for good reason probably

[00:51:15] I'm really sure you will my guy based on history

[00:51:19] But god is telling me I still gotta persevere though, bro

[00:51:22] Sure, but that's not the message I took like that's the note of the apologist

[00:51:28] Is saying that he was told he must persevere no matter what I will find you and I'm like

[00:51:34] No, what he said was don't be afraid. Keep going. Don't be afraid. That's not the same thing. No

[00:51:39] Yeah, no, it's not it because he said someone like you could say the same thing early on in jeremiah

[00:51:45] That he was telling him to persevere and that he had his back

[00:51:49] But ultimately god did not have jeremiah's back exactly

[00:51:52] It was it was very much not that result at the end of it all right exactly

[00:51:58] So whether they heated his words or not the people the israelites

[00:52:03] Um, it was still ezekiel's duty to deliver that message

[00:52:07] He's also commanded to be fearless, resolute and faithful in the discharge of his duty

[00:52:13] Got it. Okay. Yeah now ezekiel was not to share

[00:52:16] The stubborn attitude of the people and i'm just like no shit really like of course

[00:52:22] I mean

[00:52:24] It you're giving him this message. Of course. He's not supposed to feel the same way as the people right right

[00:52:31] He would be the messenger of very unpleasant tidings like don't shoot the messenger kind of thing

[00:52:37] And that will by its nature expose him to great persecution just like jeremiah sure and he had to eat the scroll

[00:52:44] containing god's message

[00:52:46] Wait, what that's what actually when he said eat my words. Oh, that's why I said it's a magic scroll

[00:52:54] He's telling him eat it. Well so that the word of god is literally inside him

[00:53:00] That is interesting because okay. I'm gonna go off on a little bit of a tangent

[00:53:04] I'm gonna follow you because I think I know where you're going. There is a legend

[00:53:08] A jewish legend about golems

[00:53:11] Where they you you they eat a scroll

[00:53:15] And then they are a protector and that brings them to life

[00:53:19] Yeah, that brings them to life and then they are to do the bidding of whatever that person their master

[00:53:25] Is to have them do basically, right? Like i'm probably not getting that 100 correct

[00:53:29] No, but you have the general of it essentially that's the the gist of it

[00:53:34] and

[00:53:35] That is

[00:53:37] I'm very very interested in the connection here between golems and this

[00:53:42] This verse

[00:53:44] Yeah, is a zikule a fucking

[00:53:47] I don't know that is really really worth looking into yeah

[00:53:53] So he had to eat the scroll containing god's message thereby signifying that he made god's message his own

[00:54:00] before giving it to others

[00:54:03] Got it. Okay, and so like I said, he would have the word of god literally within him

[00:54:09] Now I saw some apologists that were like, no, it wasn't literal. He didn't really have to eat a scroll

[00:54:15] It was symbolic. It was a symbolic scroll symbolic words a symbolic eating as we all should always eat the word of the bible

[00:54:24] And be ravenous and hungry for the word of god within us and i'm like, okay

[00:54:29] I mean, that's fine. So then we don't have to take every word literally grow

[00:54:35] You know pick a team pick a side pick a lane. Yeah, where are we going with this?

[00:54:39] Right

[00:54:40] So that pretty much wraps up chapter two unless you had anything else to add

[00:54:46] No, I do not um

[00:54:48] I just wanted to mention that our cat has been an asshole here right at the end of our podcast

[00:54:53] Yeah, you've been chasing her around she has been quite uh rambunctious and causing me all kinds of help

[00:55:00] So but we persevered we persevered. We did not let the voices of the country

[00:55:07] Um bring us to their rebellious ways, right? Yeah, we were brave

[00:55:14] in the face of

[00:55:15] This bad bad cat. So all I'm gonna say is that I am very interested in following up with some of this information

[00:55:22] About the golems and the yes eating of the word that that's intriguing to me

[00:55:26] And I'm assuming we'll get into that in a q&a at some point probably

[00:55:29] I will see if I can find anything that even mentions that and yeah, we'll try to get into it because we want to

[00:55:36] Because we want to yeah, that would be us q&a

[00:55:40] Saturday, right not today. Which is today. Yeah, that'll be a deep dive. Yeah

[00:55:46] Um, so anyway, that was a zeal chapter two sure as fuck was which means that we'll be back tomorrow

[00:55:52] But this one we will not be doing alive on youtube because tomorrow is tuesday

[00:55:57] um, and well

[00:55:59] It'll the episode will release on wednesday, but it's we recorded on tuesdays

[00:56:04] And we will be doing our regular uh discord episode for that day and that will be a zeal chapter three

[00:56:11] Yep, and we'll see you guys then

[00:56:13] Hey

[00:56:15] All right

[00:56:16] So that was a mess. Jesus our cat was a being a

[00:56:21] Little cunt burger

[00:56:23] Oh, fuck dagney

[00:56:25] Get your life together. What are you doing?

[00:56:28] So just for those of you who are here with us on this live just to go over this with you

[00:56:33] Our cat has a regular

[00:56:36] um interrupt our podcast routine

[00:56:38] where she um

[00:56:40] Uses the litter box

[00:56:42] This time twice actually yeah, and we've tried to wait her out like we did this time

[00:56:47] And she will go back not successfully. Yeah, and she scratches for like 10 minutes. It's it's ridiculous. I'm like it's buried stop

[00:56:54] Right when she's not even using the restroom. She's just doing it to fucking piss us off. I think probably get our attention or something

[00:57:00] She can't stand that we're not paying attention to her

[00:57:02] I think it's because we're talking

[00:57:04] Excitedly and loud and she does tend to get worked up like if we're arguing and we raise our voices

[00:57:11] Usually she attacks me

[00:57:13] Like but then she tries to get into a cabinet and I have to open the one up so that she doesn't try harder to do something

[00:57:18] Else there and then she comes over and meows by us and starts scratching at a box

[00:57:24] My god, cool. What are you? Are you the israelites?

[00:57:30] I think you are you're a bad kitten. Anyway

[00:57:34] That was uh

[00:57:36] Fun episode that was um, I mean is he feels kind of been

[00:57:40] Fun. Yeah a little bit here right off the bat. I don't want to say too much because what if you know, we always get our hearts

[00:57:47] Yeah, we get our hopes up thinking this will be fun

[00:57:49] This will be a good one and then like five episodes in we're like never mind

[00:57:53] It sucks like all the rest. Well, that's that's true because they they tend to get repetitive because they're written by

[00:57:58] A regular author

[00:58:00] So it's hard to it's hard to judge right off the bat

[00:58:03] Like we're reading something new

[00:58:05] And seeing how it goes and new is cool

[00:58:08] And new is cool

[00:58:09] But this one's got a lot of stuff to comment on and a lot of crazy shit happening. So I'm I'm really enjoying what we're reading so far

[00:58:16] Insofar as it's the bible and insofar as we're atheists and don't believe in god. Yeah

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[01:01:12] Husband wife, do you remember what happened yesterday and where the hell we are today?

[01:01:18] Well yesterday we got done reading uh

[01:01:21] Ezekiel chapter two and I do have to start off by apologizing for the audio content and that we are

[01:01:27] messing around with some

[01:01:29] live streaming tools that didn't work out very well yesterday. So you are sorry

[01:01:34] I am very sorry. It was not good

[01:01:38] I think we have this rectified at some level today

[01:01:42] So, um, we're gonna go forward from here hoping that all this goes well

[01:01:47] That being said yesterday in Ezekiel chapter two

[01:01:51] Ezekiel started the chapter in the ground in the dirt on the ground on the ground in the dirt

[01:01:57] Yeah, and god like embodied him and then he brought him to his feet. Yeah. Yeah

[01:02:04] And then that was after having showed him his magic car

[01:02:07] Yeah, yeah

[01:02:10] There was all kinds of craziness

[01:02:13] Wheels with eyes for days

[01:02:16] But the part that really stood out to me in chapter two was that

[01:02:19] Ezekiel was given a scroll from god into his mouth

[01:02:23] That he then swallowed. Yeah

[01:02:26] I guess he I don't I don't know what like to me this like

[01:02:31] I'm thinking golem, right?

[01:02:32] See I couldn't find anything that

[01:02:34] Verified that just on a cursory check

[01:02:37] I'm gonna like on a on a you know very like just what I know of jewish legends

[01:02:43] It seemed very golemish. It did seem very folklore. Yes. Yeah, so I I'm intrigued as to what's gonna come next

[01:02:50] Christian apologists, which I know we are not at the new testament

[01:02:54] So we're not supposed to even know about christians yet, right? Um, but they fucking love

[01:03:00] um, Jeremiah lamentations and

[01:03:04] um, this guy is Ezekiel or easy kyle as I like to call him

[01:03:09] And uh, you know these whole prophecy things

[01:03:13] Um that these dudes do

[01:03:16] They're like these prophet prophecies are awesome because then jesus fulfilled them in the new testament

[01:03:22] So they're like in love with this shit, right?

[01:03:24] and

[01:03:25] They say

[01:03:27] That it was a symbolic eating of god's word to have the living word inside you

[01:03:33] So it wasn't like an actual scroll. It was more like a magic power up

[01:03:39] Okay, okay

[01:03:40] So this is like when mario eats the mushroom or the star

[01:03:44] Yeah, or like when you're in your like dungeon crawl games

[01:03:49] And you know, you have to like bottle of health, right? Right? It's like that

[01:03:55] Only it's a scroll and god's words are on it. Sure sure. You're not really eating it. You're just

[01:04:01] You know power up, right? I got you

[01:04:04] All right. Well, anyway, that was

[01:04:07] Ezekiel chapter two sure as fuck was which means that today we're gonna be getting into

[01:04:12] Ezekiel chapter three. All right, let's do this okie dokie

[01:04:25] All right, here we are jumping back into easy kyle chapter three zikiel no easy k

[01:04:32] Baby, okay, so you remember where we left off, right? God's just chatting with him sending a real chill message

[01:04:39] Yeah, and he ate that shit. He ate the scroll. Yeah, right

[01:04:43] So we're starting out like mid sentence again

[01:04:47] Okay, and he said to me so ezekiel's like

[01:04:51] Anyways god was talking to me and he goes he goes right? Yeah, so now i'm i'm god. Okay, okay son of man

[01:04:59] Eat what is before you eat the scroll then go and speak to the people of israel

[01:05:06] Eat it, bitch

[01:05:10] I'm sorry, I can't

[01:05:16] Oh

[01:05:16] Shit this sounds like like this could this is this is uh

[01:05:20] The weird Al Yankovic song needs to be set to this this chapter

[01:05:23] Well, the um, they eat me so is it eat eat it eat it? Yeah

[01:05:27] Well that and like I babysit a toddler and sometimes feeding him is traumatic

[01:05:34] And i'm always just like one more bite, baby one more bite

[01:05:39] And i was just picturing god

[01:05:41] He's got this little baby spoon

[01:05:43] But instead of saying just one more bite and then you can be done

[01:05:47] And it's so healthy for you help you grow big boy

[01:05:52] Instead of saying all of that he's like

[01:05:57] Okay, sorry. Sorry. Okay. I'm a zekie old again. Um, okay. Zekie's been fun so far. Yeah, this is this is kind of fun

[01:06:04] I'm having fun with this weird shit

[01:06:06] So I opened up my fucking mouth and he gave me the scroll to eat

[01:06:11] Yeah, sure. I mean cuz you know then he says to me he says

[01:06:16] Son of man eat the scroll i'm giving you i'm fill your stomach with it

[01:06:22] Okay, yeah, yeah, it must be a big-ass scroll. It's so big

[01:06:29] You don't know how big

[01:06:32] I mean

[01:06:33] He does not need to have a pickup truck with the nut sack hanging off the back. That's how big it is

[01:06:40] Yeah, so I ate it and it tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth

[01:06:45] Yeah, it did

[01:06:47] He says to me then son of man go now to the people of israel and speak my words to them

[01:06:54] Now keep in mind we talked about this last time

[01:06:56] But son of man is actually kind of a disparaging remark at at uh, azikio

[01:07:00] Yeah, he's not like a real disparaging remark, but like it's he's not basically placing him in order below god for sure

[01:07:07] Yeah, he's like not quite calling him a worm as he has in the past called his people worms

[01:07:13] But he's definitely like don't go thinking we're equals just because i'm yakking at you right like you are definitely a

[01:07:20] mere human is what that translates to right mere human. Yes, son of a bitch

[01:07:27] You are not being sent to a people of obscure speech and strange language

[01:07:33] but to the people of israel

[01:07:36] Not to many peoples of obscure speech and strange language whose words you cannot understand

[01:07:41] Are you following me so don't help the foreigners?

[01:07:44] Is that no no no he he will get there in a minute like I've read notes on this

[01:07:48] So I understand what he's saying is you've got a harder job

[01:07:51] You're not going out to people who don't know what the message is and never saw you before

[01:07:56] You are gonna go speak to your own. Okay. Okay, okay, and that's harder

[01:08:01] Like we personally know that from jeremiah. He got tore up right by speaking to his own

[01:08:07] No, he definitely did so but I mean this guy ate a scroll. So he's probably good. He's good. He's got god inside him. Yeah

[01:08:14] Yeah, he does

[01:08:15] So okay, so god saying you know, you're not going out to talk to people whose words you cannot understand

[01:08:21] Surely if I had sent you to them

[01:08:24] They would have listened to you now see I also read somewhere that

[01:08:29] The reason that that is so is apparently people from other nations. They always revered

[01:08:36] prophets and magic men and like

[01:08:40] People of high stature that that gave these you know messages from on high like well, I imagine it was a little bit from other places

[01:08:46] Sure. It was a bit like a traveling show, right? Yeah, like you've never heard this story before

[01:08:51] Yeah, they're like wow. What's this all about? Yeah, oh your magic cool. I haven't heard of this god before

[01:08:56] Let's go find let's go see. Uh, that's what y'all is about. You know god crawl

[01:09:01] So, yeah, so he's like that would be that would have been easy

[01:09:06] They would have listened to you they would have been interested right in what you had to say

[01:09:09] Sure

[01:09:10] But the people of israel

[01:09:12] Are not willing to listen to you because they are not willing to listen to me

[01:09:17] For all the israelites are hardened and obstinate. They are so fucking hard

[01:09:24] Jesus Christ

[01:09:25] Oh somebody told me to grow up once and I was like, but why though? Then you didn't yeah

[01:09:29] Yeah, but why but you know, um

[01:09:33] Doesn't god have the ability to soften and harden? He does. He has all the ability. He's got the magic hands

[01:09:40] You would think he could harden it. He could soften it

[01:09:43] He can make their hearts flaccid. He can make them erect. Oh my god. Yep. Yep. Jesus christ

[01:09:49] Um for those keeping track at home that was the sound of husband rolling his eyes at me

[01:09:56] Hard core hard core. Yeah. Oh very hard

[01:09:59] But I will make you as unyielding and hardened as they are everybody going to be hard up in here

[01:10:06] Yeah, okay. I will make your forehead

[01:10:09] Like the hardest stone harder than flint

[01:10:13] Wow, you could you could bounce a quarter off that ass

[01:10:17] What is the point of making his forehead as hard as stone so that when they throw rocks at him it bounces off

[01:10:22] Duh, is that real?

[01:10:24] Okay

[01:10:25] I don't know because I have what's called a really high forehead

[01:10:29] And so what that means is that my hairline is farther back

[01:10:33] So like I was always made fun of in school for having a big ass forehead

[01:10:39] And all I could think is if it was hard as flint

[01:10:42] Then I could have been maybe cool because I could have bounced shit off of it

[01:10:46] Maybe maybe then people want to make fun of me as much. I guess maybe who knows

[01:10:51] Okay, god's still talking though. He's like harder than flint. Okay

[01:10:54] Do not be afraid of them or terrified by them though. They are a rebellious people

[01:11:00] Which we know because we use that word a hundred times last chapter

[01:11:04] And he said to me continued is equal now god is talking again

[01:11:09] Son of man. Yes, son of a bitch

[01:11:12] Listen carefully and take to heart all the words I speak to you. You know the ones I've made you fucking eat

[01:11:18] Yeah, go now to your people in exile and speak to them bitches

[01:11:23] Okay, okay say to them

[01:11:25] This is what the solver and lord says whether they listen or fail to listen. Don't worry about it

[01:11:31] Sure, because he's got he made your head like flint. Yeah, but he's like that's beside for the purposes of this conversation

[01:11:39] Don't worry about their response. That's not what I'm here to tell you about. Okay

[01:11:43] They might fucking hate you and tell you just to say it regardless

[01:11:46] Just say the words no matter what they do say the words

[01:11:49] Okay, yeah, so that I can check the box and be like what I told you. Okay

[01:11:54] You got the message. That's not my fault. Right. Okay. Sure. Okay. Now we're back to zikio talking. Okay

[01:12:01] Then the spirit

[01:12:03] Lifted me up

[01:12:05] Again, wow and I heard behind me a loud rumbling sound as the glory of the lord

[01:12:11] Rows from the place where it was standing

[01:12:14] It must have been stormy season because there's a lot of storms like there's a lot of rumbling and lights in the sky and

[01:12:20] You know or he just really likes his drugs. I mean, there's one of those two things

[01:12:24] Why does it have to be either or maybe it's both I'm going with both

[01:12:28] Okay

[01:12:28] If I guarantee you that if you took the right drugs and sat out in the middle of a storm watching

[01:12:36] You'd see some crazy shit. Yeah watching the lightning and the clouds rolling over and hearing the thunder

[01:12:41] Yeah, you too would probably see a fucking carriage with eyes all the way down

[01:12:46] Okay

[01:12:47] It was the sound of the wings of the living creatures the cherubim. Oh, okay

[01:12:54] Okay, yeah, the we're the four-headed the four-headed monstrosities four-winged

[01:12:58] Yeah flying purple people eaters exactly. Yeah

[01:13:01] It was the sound of their wings

[01:13:03] brushing against each other and the sound of the wheels beside them

[01:13:08] A loud rumbling sound dude was describing an engine before engines were invented

[01:13:14] Yeah, that's rumbly. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's kind of cool. Yeah

[01:13:19] In a way sure

[01:13:21] Or thunder, I mean, you know

[01:13:24] I mean half the time we're standing out on the porch and I'm like, is that thunder and you're like, no

[01:13:28] It's a car and then I'm like listening. I'm like, no actually it's a plane

[01:13:32] Like I can't tell the difference it all sounds the fucking same

[01:13:36] Yeah, the spirit then lifted me up and took me away

[01:13:39] And I went in bitterness and in the anger of my spirit with the strong hand of the lord on me

[01:13:46] I came to the exiles who lived at televieve near the kabar river and there where they were living

[01:13:53] I sat among them for seven days deeply distressed. Okay. All right. I got some notes about this before we carry on

[01:14:01] Okay, because some of this wording is like what? Sure. All right. So let me get down to these words. Okay

[01:14:08] So remember that time I just now said he went to televieve

[01:14:12] In some places it's telebeep

[01:14:14] Okay, depends on what translation you're reading. Sure, but either way

[01:14:18] This is Hebrew for the hill of ears of corn. Okay, but

[01:14:24] Other translations say no, no, no, no, it's spring mount the hill during spring

[01:14:30] So I'm like no, no, no, no, no. No, it's the hill

[01:14:35] Mound of corn ears in spring. I see that's what it is. Well televieve is now the capital of Israel

[01:14:43] I'm just so I just I think I don't don't 100% quote me on that but I'm pretty sure that is correct

[01:14:48] That is a place. I don't know if the same place this one that they were talking about is in Iraq

[01:14:53] So I don't know if that translates to anything you're saying not really but

[01:14:58] Okay, because I'm not familiar with any of those areas because I am an ignorant American

[01:15:05] I'm just putting that out there. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Well, I mean it sounds like they're talking about a hill in this context

[01:15:10] Yeah, it's just it might have been translated into a city name in Israel later

[01:15:13] So I'm almost certain that it's a city in Israel

[01:15:16] Well in all the other places at the very least in all the other places that I checked it was a bebe

[01:15:22] But in the particular translation that we're actually reading from it's a vieve

[01:15:27] And I was like but I've heard of televieve, right? So yeah hang on hang on

[01:15:32] so yeah

[01:15:34] Okay, also where it says that he was like deeply distressed

[01:15:39] Like he sat there with those people

[01:15:41] Like he went over to them and he sat down and he was so distressed and sad, right? It could also be

[01:15:47] Astonished, okay, which is nothing like deeply distressed, right? That's just a different interpretation

[01:15:54] So basically again as usual, we have no fucking idea what this word is sure it could also be

[01:16:00] Discontented which is more distressed right or wretched even which is like hard distressed

[01:16:06] Which right, you know deeply distressed wretched a little discontented or astonished, right?

[01:16:13] You know the large swing of uh possible emotions there. Yeah

[01:16:17] Yeah, so we don't fucking know what he's feeling. What's happening? He's feeling a thing. He's feeling it

[01:16:22] He's in his feels as the kids say. Yeah, okay

[01:16:25] So okay, just to make sure you're paying attention the spirit fucking lifted him up

[01:16:30] And then I guess put him down because he went and he is all pissed off

[01:16:34] He he went in bitterness and anger in his spirit

[01:16:37] And he had the strong hand of the lord on him and he came to the exiles who lived in wherever on that hill

[01:16:43] And he sat among them for seven days and he was either sad or astonished got it. Okay

[01:16:50] Yep. All right, so that's where we're at as we continue on now. Okay, all right at the end of seven days

[01:16:56] The word of the lord came to me

[01:16:59] Son of man

[01:17:00] mere human

[01:17:02] I have made you a watchman for the people of israel

[01:17:06] So hear the word I speak and give them warning from me

[01:17:11] Okay, now. I don't know if you recall. I want to say it was like back in isaia or some shit

[01:17:16] They talked about a watchman like that were sentries guards, right and I pointed out at the time that

[01:17:24] Harper

[01:17:26] What's her? What's her name harper lee?

[01:17:28] Yes

[01:17:29] Who wrote to kill a mockingbird? Right? Right?

[01:17:32] All right

[01:17:33] She had written a text that was never supposed to be published but the second she died

[01:17:38] Um

[01:17:39] The bitches went ahead and like used her name and published it and it's called

[01:17:44] Ghosts at a watchman

[01:17:46] And there is a tie-in to this right right. I remember you talking about that. Yeah, so just bringing a buck

[01:17:53] You know gotta play play the hits. Yep. So okay. So god's saying to zeekele

[01:17:57] I've made you a watchman for the people of israel. Okay

[01:18:01] So hear the word I speak and give them warning from me. I'm thinking he ate the word

[01:18:07] Why does he have to keep hearing it like is it glowing inside of but god told him what to say after after he ate the words

[01:18:14] That's right. So maybe the words were just to

[01:18:17] Get him in the mood. They were power up. Just like I said, they weren't actual words

[01:18:21] They were just a power up. They made him glow. Yeah, but they made him also mad and astonished or sad

[01:18:26] Maybe it could be a reference to him taking drugs. Oh, that's what I think. I'm just saying I'm saying that's what I think

[01:18:31] It could be it could be

[01:18:32] When I okay god speaking when I say to a wicked person

[01:18:36] You will surely die

[01:18:38] And you do not warn them or speak out to dissuade them from their evil ways in order to save their life

[01:18:44] That wicked person will die for their sin and I will hold you

[01:18:50] Accountable for their blood

[01:18:52] Damn, you better deliver that fucking message because if you don't and they die

[01:18:56] I'm holding you fucking response. This way I get somebody knocks on our doors or like people trying to spread the

[01:19:01] Message of god and christ. Yeah, because your blood is on their hands. Fuck. Yeah

[01:19:07] Could you imagine like that?

[01:19:08] Can we just like edit that part out of the bible because I don't like getting all those fucking door knocks

[01:19:12] No, I don't either, you know, it's so invasive like do not be a stranger and knock on my door

[01:19:17] Like that's the end of that sentence

[01:19:19] But if we need to continue on don't be a stranger and knock on my door and ask me about my relationship with god like

[01:19:26] Excuse me. I don't fucking know you

[01:19:30] Right, like why would I ever talk to a stranger about my personal beliefs or lack thereof?

[01:19:36] Yeah of anything ever, right like I'll tell you about my poop

[01:19:40] You know, I'll tell you. Oh, I had a hysterectomy. I don't have periods anymore. That is fucking awesome

[01:19:47] I'll tell you that it's been ages since I've had my nails did and I would really like to get that done

[01:19:52] Yeah, um, like I'll tell you all kinds of stuff

[01:19:55] That is personal but not the god shit, you know because whatever I say is the wrong answer

[01:20:01] Like if I say yes, yes, I've been saved or what the fuck ever. Do you think that's gonna make them go away?

[01:20:06] You know what even if you're no, I don't but but even if you're religious, there's like if it's the wrong religious, right?

[01:20:12] Right, they'll be like, but which one there's an implied judgment happening at that interaction, right?

[01:20:16] Like it doesn't matter unless you are the exact same denomination as them

[01:20:20] Right, there is implied judgment happening when that happens

[01:20:23] You you don't have the correct message no matter what unless you are with us specifically

[01:20:29] Like I didn't see you on sunday. Therefore your answer is probably no, right even if it's guess it's no yeah

[01:20:34] Yeah, I just I feel so offended by that like it reminds me of um, I haven't seen it yet the movie

[01:20:40] Um civil war that is like out in theaters now and it's like causing a ruckus

[01:20:46] I do want to see it, but there's like a particular scene in the trailer where um, I forget the dude's name jesse something or other

[01:20:54] Um in real life. I don't know his character in the movie. But anyway, um, he's standing scary in front of these journalists with his weapon

[01:21:03] Like about to fire on them and they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're journalists. We're americans and he's like

[01:21:08] Yeah, but what kind of americans right and like that is like the scariest part of the whole movie and it's like really

[01:21:16] Spooky apparently like it really shook people. Yeah, and that's what it reminds me of they're standing at my door with their

[01:21:22] Fucking their weapon is not a gun their weapon is getting in my space and asking me personal invasive questions

[01:21:30] And you know, they're asking me but what kind right what kind are you? I'm like fuck off. Yeah eat my whole entire ass

[01:21:38] Okay, god's talking now. Okay speaking of ass

[01:21:41] But if you do warn the wicked person and they do not turn from their wickedness or from their evil ways

[01:21:47] They'll die for their sin, but you will have saved yourself. So don't worry about it

[01:21:51] So as long as you get that message that that so as long as you get that message out, you're good

[01:21:55] You're good. You're golden. You said you said the bit you're supposed to say just here

[01:21:59] I made some flyers go pass these out. That's it. Right. That's the whole job

[01:22:03] Okay, I I think you know if if your damnation is on the line. I'd want an exact

[01:22:09] I'd want them to spell out exactly what I'd have to do like in order to not go to hell, right?

[01:22:14] I need a roster to make sure I hit every single person that I'm supposed to hit, right?

[01:22:18] Yeah, um, I need a good pencil that's gonna last and then the question is though

[01:22:23] Does writing counter do I have to tell them directly? Right?

[01:22:26] Like what exactly what if I spread the message through like an audiogram or something?

[01:22:30] What if I just put up a poster in town? Sure

[01:22:32] Like then does that count? What if I accidentally missed somebody because I was sick that day, you know

[01:22:36] What if it's in the future and I just text them? Right? Yeah, you know, wait, what exactly

[01:22:42] God your god. You can answer this. What counts is communication sure

[01:22:46] Can I whisper it in their ear as I make sweet sweet love to them?

[01:22:50] Jk he's not having any of the sacks. Can I use smoke signals?

[01:22:54] Oh, I mean, you know morse code, right? Yeah, as long as you told them, right?

[01:22:59] You didn't say that they had to understand it, right? Right

[01:23:02] That's the loophole

[01:23:04] Okay, god's still talking again when a righteous person turns from their righteousness and does evil

[01:23:10] And I put a stumbling block before them. They will die

[01:23:14] So look at this. Look at this just like in job. I'm gonna make shit real hard for them

[01:23:18] They can either trip over the stumbling block that I god and placing before them or not

[01:23:24] Don't worry about it. Yeah, they might they might trip over that shit that I put in front of them

[01:23:29] But don't worry about it. That's him, you know, they would say that's a test, right? It is

[01:23:33] It's a test of their their loyalty to god and their

[01:23:37] Why you gotta test me? You already know

[01:23:40] Is my question you would think you already know

[01:23:42] So what's the test for we go back and forth with that though?

[01:23:46] That that's one of those things that's always in the contradictions, right?

[01:23:48] Like does god know everything or doesn't he right? Well oftentimes he doesn't but oftentimes he says he does so

[01:23:54] Or it just depends on who's talking enjoys it for shits and giggles

[01:23:57] And that if my take on this god that we've been talking about

[01:24:01] Throughout the old testament is that he just kind of gets off on fucking people over

[01:24:05] That's what it sounds like. So that's just my take but it feels that way because he's very

[01:24:12] Happy to to bring despair and death and destruction to people

[01:24:16] Yeah, and and he seems to enjoy doing that

[01:24:20] He's that kid in the backyard that tears the wings off flies and I'm no fan of flies

[01:24:24] But I ain't out there trying to torture him right, you know, I might swat him and kill him fast

[01:24:29] But I ain't trying to you know cause them pain and laugh as they rise on the ground. Right, right cool

[01:24:35] Yeah, all right

[01:24:36] So he's putting stumbling blocks and they'll die. Don't worry about it. Okay

[01:24:40] Since you did not warn them though

[01:24:43] They will die for their sin

[01:24:45] The righteous things that that person did will not be remembered and I will hold you accountable for their blood

[01:24:52] So you could have been good your whole fucking life

[01:24:54] But then you cussed real quick before you like fell down and died

[01:24:58] Yeah, or whatever and then you're fucked and then you're fucked for life or after life

[01:25:02] Yeah, you know and on top of that ezekiel gets to pay for it. Right. Okay just so you know, okay

[01:25:09] But if you do warn the righteous person not to sin and they do not sin

[01:25:13] They will surely live because they took warning and you will have saved yourself

[01:25:19] So all the gold stars as long as you pass out the flyers, right? Okay

[01:25:24] All right back to ezekiel

[01:25:26] The hand of the lord was on me there and he said to me get up

[01:25:31] And go out to the plane and there I will speak to you

[01:25:34] This is a very physical relationship. He has with god, right?

[01:25:38] This is this is the most physical god has been with anybody thus far. Yeah

[01:25:41] So I it's intriguing. I have a question though

[01:25:45] Like I'm super lazy. So I would be like you're talking to me now. Couldn't you just go ahead and tell

[01:25:50] Why we got to walk to the plane like that's over there

[01:25:52] Yeah, I don't know

[01:25:53] Like I don't even like to get up and find the remote control for the tv

[01:25:57] Maybe god can't whisper this is his way of whispering, you know, he's like go out where nobody can

[01:26:02] And then I can talk regular because I've got this frog in my voice

[01:26:05] All right. All right. So he says go out to the plane. I'm gonna speak to you

[01:26:09] So I ezekiel got up and went out to the fucking plane. Wait god didn't help him get up this time. No, no

[01:26:15] No, he got up and went himself. Yeah, that's rough. That's a test right? Yeah, can you stand?

[01:26:21] Can you walk wait? Wait? I forgot to test these out with you before I charged you with this duty

[01:26:29] And the glory of the lord was standing there, you know, just like he was over there, but now he's

[01:26:34] Over here. Yeah, yeah

[01:26:36] Like the glory I had seen by the kabbar river and I fell face down

[01:26:41] You know still again more. Yeah, you know fear the lord don't forget to have lots of fear

[01:26:46] Right, okay

[01:26:47] Then the spirit came to me and raised me to my feet this time he picked me up

[01:26:52] Yeah, well because he he had gone to the plane. So that's why he couldn't help him get up before

[01:26:58] But now he went there so he can help him get up again. Stand up sit down fight fight fight

[01:27:02] It's a cheer, right? Yeah, okay

[01:27:05] So he spoke to me and he said go shut yourself inside your fucking house

[01:27:10] Go home get over there shut your door bar it lock it up. I was supposed to tell everybody no not yet

[01:27:16] No, okay. No, all right. You will in a minute

[01:27:20] Go home first. Okay. Okay, and you son of man

[01:27:24] Yeah, fucking son of a bitch. Yeah, yummy or human they will tie with ropes

[01:27:29] You will be bound so that you cannot

[01:27:32] Go out among the people what I will make your tongue stick to the roof of your mouth

[01:27:36] So that you will be silent and unable to rebuke them for they are a rebellious people

[01:27:42] As I've said multiple times go home and get punished like crazy

[01:27:46] I think he's like

[01:27:48] He's like what I tell the toddler that I babysit you go sit on the couch and think about what you did

[01:27:53] But what what did he do?

[01:27:54] You go sit in your house and think about what I'm gonna have you do. I just I don't get it like, okay. Okay. Anyway, okay

[01:28:01] So there's this thing where um when people need to fortify themselves before they take on a duty

[01:28:08] Yeah, I said duty twice now

[01:28:11] Um that they have to fortify they have to cleanse themselves

[01:28:15] They have to have silence and wash up and do all these special things. So

[01:28:21] It I've read some notes that say that that's what this is about

[01:28:24] He's saying don't speak to anybody and I'm gonna tie your mouth shut so that you can't so that you'll be

[01:28:30] um physically

[01:28:32] Clean cleansed out. Okay, you know what? I mean you won't have any

[01:28:36] Input from people and you won't be able to offer any input let my glow words

[01:28:41] You know sparkle in your guts for a bit and work their way through your system

[01:28:45] Got it and then you know when you're ready to take that giant dump

[01:28:48] Yeah, then seven days later. I will let you talk and go pass out my flyers. Okay. Yeah

[01:28:55] But when I speak to you says god, yeah

[01:28:59] I will open your mouth and you shall say to them

[01:29:02] This is what the sovereign lord says whoever will listen let them listen and whoever will refuse let them refuse

[01:29:08] For they are a rebellious people the end

[01:29:12] Hmm

[01:29:13] Yes, sons of bitches

[01:29:14] So I mean essentially this whole chapter was go spread my message or you'll be in trouble for not spreading my message

[01:29:21] But first go home. But first go home and don't talk to anybody for a week. Yeah before you go. Okay. All right

[01:29:28] Okay, so that yeah, that's basically what this was about. Yeah. Um just to

[01:29:33] You know recap

[01:29:35] This chapter contains more particular instructions to Ezekiel and it begins with him repeating his appointment to the office

[01:29:43] Sure. Okay. He is then informed that his commission is just for now just at this time

[01:29:50] To the house of israel exclusively

[01:29:53] So he is going to send out be sent out later to speak to other people but for now

[01:29:57] Just worry about israel. Okay. Yeah, and he's god tells him that the countryman will pay little regard to him

[01:30:05] They're gonna ignore him. They're gonna make money. That seems to be the case for pretty much all the prophets every prophet ever

[01:30:10] Yeah, and god's like you got to persevere anyways

[01:30:14] You got to get through this. Okay, and then god imbues Ezekiel with

[01:30:19] extraordinary courage

[01:30:21] To enable him to fearlessly declare

[01:30:25] To a disobedient people

[01:30:27] The whole council of god

[01:30:29] Okay, did you get that out of that that he filled him up with glowy gold courage?

[01:30:33] I mean, I think you could have extrapolated that from that

[01:30:37] I didn't take that. Well, I mean, but like the the giving him the scroll and eating the scroll and infusing that into himself

[01:30:44] And then I took that as like the spirit of the lord

[01:30:47] Like you're taking in the magic words like you have my spirit inside you

[01:30:51] Yeah, I didn't take that as and some of that stuff is courage

[01:30:57] Well, maybe that was the hardening of the head and stuff like that possibly oh my god. Oh my god. Follow me here

[01:31:02] He is totally making him a conglomeration of

[01:31:07] um the scarecrow and the tin woodman and the cowardly lion

[01:31:13] Because he's giving him that that tin head and he's making him have god word smarts

[01:31:21] And then also he's given him

[01:31:24] Courage I see see yeah. Yeah, he's totally he's given them. He's like i'm on a dorthy plus you

[01:31:31] Okay. Yeah, you're gonna be

[01:31:33] Um an upgraded dorthy. I'm so for this. Yeah, okay

[01:31:38] So after that the prophet is carried by the spirit that animated the cherubim and the wheels

[01:31:45] Remember he heard the noise of the wings and he's like the fuck is that right? It was yeah, so that all carried him

[01:31:51] um

[01:31:52] Like he wrote on it. No, it just carried him like like it plucked him like an eagle kind of carries him

[01:31:58] You know, all right, and then like dropped him or whatever. Okay, and um, it kind of carried him over near the people

[01:32:04] To a colony of his brethren

[01:32:07] Okay, okay, and that's where he went and was like sitting by them for seven days overwhelmed with astonishment

[01:32:14] okay, or depressed and angry or

[01:32:18] I don't know what the word is. Whatever the right word is feels right. He was in the feels. That's right

[01:32:23] We're going back over the chapter on researching here. Is that like you're bringing up some of your notes? Yeah, yeah

[01:32:29] That's why I said recapping. Yeah. I'm just

[01:32:32] Recapping to make sure we understand exactly what all we read. Okay

[01:32:36] So then he's warned of the awful importance of being faithful in his office. No matter what right

[01:32:44] Right. I don't care if they fucking throw rocks at your head. That's why I made it hard

[01:32:47] You always do what I say do what I say fear the lord obey me

[01:32:51] Right all I'm asking for is everything. Yeah, what's it? Okay?

[01:32:56] And so then he's commanded to go forth into the plane

[01:32:59] So that he can have a visible manifestation

[01:33:04] Of the divine presence. So you were right

[01:33:07] He had to go out on the plane so that he could like see it good

[01:33:10] Right clearly kind of like if like you want to see the stars at night

[01:33:14] You don't go into the city you go out into the country

[01:33:16] Right, you need that that clear. You got to get out of the city. Sure. Okay. So yeah

[01:33:21] so he went out there and he's like, well, you're so shiny dude and

[01:33:25] He's again favored with a vision

[01:33:28] And he you know is told here. Yeah, I gave you gold words in your tummy now

[01:33:36] I feel like you could interpret this as like a using drugs ritual

[01:33:40] Yeah, like he ingested something. He's going out to the planes to like experience this experience, you know

[01:33:46] He thinks he got flown somewhere by a fucking angel with wheels

[01:33:51] I mean

[01:33:52] Don't forget. Don't forget the sound of the helicopter. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it sounds it sounds very very drug induced to me

[01:33:59] And he's like go home, bitch. Yeah. Yeah, right. No, totally. I agree with you. This dude was high

[01:34:05] I

[01:34:07] Wonder who wrote this. I mean it says that he wrote it. I guess but sure. I mean we don't know no, right?

[01:34:12] No, um, I don't recall we can take our best guesses

[01:34:16] I don't recall in my intro if I got into that. So I'm sure we'll cover that at some point

[01:34:20] We'll cover it at the end. Yeah when I recap the whole book

[01:34:24] Right, but that is it for this chapter. All right. So that was Ezekiel chapter three

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[01:37:17] Do you remember what happened yesterday and where the hell we are today? Well yesterday started with azekiel

[01:37:26] Being fed a scroll by god

[01:37:29] and

[01:37:30] And and god said

[01:37:34] Yes, he did yes, he did um and then god decided that he was going to turn azekiel's forehead into flint

[01:37:42] and then um

[01:37:45] The zekiel spent some time flying around in a crazy four-headed angel

[01:37:50] Carriage or something to go to different places with wheels that have eyes all the way down. Yeah, yeah

[01:37:56] um, and then god helped lift azekiel up in the planes and he saw god in the planes

[01:38:03] And and then go here go there. Yeah, and then sit down

[01:38:07] And then he bowed and then god bound it um azekiel up in his house

[01:38:12] Like in change or something for seven days or something

[01:38:15] Tied them up like a move. Yeah, I mean just crazy shit is going on right like azekiel is is really just it's like

[01:38:23] It's nothing you should take drugs to read this like this is this is like

[01:38:28] I mean this is like a trip. This is this is something something's happening

[01:38:31] This is not like any of the books that we've read before not at all

[01:38:35] It's fun, but in a why is this in the bible kind of way? Yeah, totally

[01:38:39] I I don't quite understand what is going on. I mean I do kind of understand what's going on

[01:38:44] But holy shit, what is going on?

[01:38:50] So uh that being said that was azekiel chapter three

[01:38:54] Sure as fuck was which means that today we're getting into azekiel chapter four. All right, let's do this. Okey-dokey

[01:39:11] All right, so we are jumping into easy kyle chapter four azekiel

[01:39:17] It's easy kyle. Oh my god. Look yesterday when I said it several people

[01:39:23] Said that they enjoyed it. I I know and by several people. I mean one person said that they enjoyed it

[01:39:29] So that's all I needed

[01:39:31] easy kyle chapter four and um just to kind of catch us up on where we were

[01:39:38] um god had

[01:39:40] Been telling him that he's gonna have some tough

[01:39:44] Road to hoe road to hoe. Yeah ahead of him. Sure. So

[01:39:49] Um, he's about to get going. Okay. All right. Yeah, I closed my window accidentally. Okay. Here I am. Sorry nothing

[01:39:55] There you are here. I am okay. So god is talking ready. I'm ready now son of man

[01:40:01] You know you mere human mere human. Yes. Yeah, know your place

[01:40:05] uh take a block of clay and put it in front of you

[01:40:09] And draw the city of jerusalem on it make a map, you know, okay? Okay. All right

[01:40:15] He's setting him up. He's about to tell him you're gonna do some shit with that map that i'm telling you

[01:40:19] Is it gonna have him smash it? No. Oh, he's gonna set up a game board. Oh, okay

[01:40:24] Oh, then like monopoly but jeruse is this like jerusalem monopoly? Yes. Yeah, so draw the city on this clay thing

[01:40:30] And then lay siege to it

[01:40:32] Okay, okay erect siege works against it build a ramp up to it set up camps against it and put

[01:40:39] battering rams around it

[01:40:41] Then take an iron pan place it as an iron wall

[01:40:46] Between you and the city and turn your face toward it

[01:40:49] It will be under siege and you shall be siege it

[01:40:52] This will be assigned to the people of israel

[01:40:55] Okay, okay. So this this piece of clay that you're building let me let me uh

[01:41:01] Interrupt the broadcast here to give you a little bit of what are we we're doing arts and crafts time now with god

[01:41:07] Indeed we are okay. So following god's command is equal performs a sign act. Okay, this is um

[01:41:14] He's about to like remember when jeremiah had to wear the yoke

[01:41:18] And it was as a sign right so this is what he's having is equal act out

[01:41:24] He makes his prophets do these physical shows these displays

[01:41:29] Of here's a thing that's gonna happen and this is you know, kind of what it'll look like right? Right? Yeah

[01:41:36] So it's a symbolic representation of the siege of jerusalem

[01:41:40] And we're gonna see the resulting famine that will come. Okay. All right

[01:41:45] So zekiel

[01:41:46] Enacts the siege of jerusalem by first drawing a map on a clay

[01:41:51] Tablet or brick. Okay, and

[01:41:54] Then building a model of the siege apparatus like god said encircling the model city

[01:41:59] And finally sets up an iron plate as a wall between the city and himself

[01:42:04] Facing the city to start the siege of it. Okay. Okay, sure. So

[01:42:08] When he says block of clay it's also in other translations referred to as a tablet a tile or a brick

[01:42:16] Okay, okay. All right. So that's where we're at. Okay. Yeah. All right, so

[01:42:21] To continue on god is still speaking. Okay, uh-huh and he says

[01:42:26] Um, then lie on your left side and put the sin of the people of israel upon yourself

[01:42:32] Okay, and i'll explain what that means momentarily sure. Okay, you are to bear their sin

[01:42:39] For the number of days you lie on your side

[01:42:42] Again, i'll explain that in a minute. Okay sure sure

[01:42:45] I have assigned you the same number of days as the years of their sin

[01:42:51] So for every day that you're lying there that represents one year that they were fuckers

[01:42:56] I'm gonna base this on how much god doesn't like the israelites and what they do

[01:43:00] That guy's gonna be laying there for quite a while. He does

[01:43:04] He is and he does that is correct

[01:43:07] I have assigned you the same number of days as the years of their sin

[01:43:12] So for three hundred and ninety days

[01:43:16] Holy shit, that's over a year

[01:43:18] You will bear the sin of the people of israel now hang on before you think it's done because that's just israel

[01:43:26] Okay, okay after you have finished this

[01:43:29] Lie down again this time on your right side and bear the sin of the people of juda

[01:43:37] I have assigned you 40 days a day for each year. Oh my god, right?

[01:43:43] Turn your face toward the siege of jerusalem and with baird arm

[01:43:47] Prophecy against her

[01:43:49] I will tie you up with ropes so that you cannot turn from one side to the other

[01:43:54] Until you have finished the days of your siege. Is there gonna be somebody like feeding him?

[01:43:59] Like what's gonna happen? We'll get there in a minute

[01:44:02] Like god gonna be like floating mana into his mouth or something these are great questions which are kind of but not really answered

[01:44:09] Okay, all right. So you're asking great questions

[01:44:12] I mean, I'm just like what is going like first? He's doing arts and crafts with a clay block and now

[01:44:18] Now he's gonna like bind him up for over a year. Yes a year and a half. Yes

[01:44:23] Okay, so let's talk about those three hundred and ninety years and then those 40 years. Yeah, right

[01:44:28] So many different explanations have been given for these

[01:44:33] 390 years like where'd you pull that number from right? Yeah, it is thought to signify the

[01:44:39] 390 years of pre-seed

[01:44:41] Punishment for israel in the land. Okay. Sure. Now they pulled out from leviticus chapter 26

[01:44:48] And i'm assuming we're like israel we're talking about the other tribes that weren't really part of juda

[01:44:53] Like the whole bit in like kings and chronicles where that part was separate, right? Yes, that's exactly what i'm about to get to

[01:45:00] Yes, yeah, you are right on track buddy. All right

[01:45:03] Okay, when you add the years of the reigns of the kings of juda from rahubulam to zedekaya

[01:45:11] As recorded in first and second kings you have a total of 394 years

[01:45:17] Now since during three of the years of his reign rahubulam walked with god

[01:45:22] According to second chronicles. Yeah, you end up with a number very close to azekiell's 390 years 391

[01:45:29] Okay, you know, all right, so he's I guess he's caught him slack by one day. Got it. Got it. Yeah

[01:45:35] However, the greek text the septuagent. Yeah has 190 years

[01:45:41] Okay

[01:45:42] That's significantly different that is very different and i don't know

[01:45:46] What the math is like why maybe somebody later went back and like actually did the math

[01:45:51] On the kings and chronicles and stuff. Yeah, they're like no we need to change this up

[01:45:55] Yeah, that's what i'm thinking because it was originally written in hebru right greek. So

[01:46:00] Yeah, that that would be my thing. Okay. Um now the 40 days signifies the 40 years of post siege punishment for juda

[01:46:08] In exile and that comes from numbers chapter 14

[01:46:11] See, I think he should have got more time for that because god didn't like them prior to that

[01:46:15] That's why he was starting to punish them in the first place. So yeah, but whatever whatever

[01:46:19] I guess he didn't officially punish them

[01:46:21] And still the siege right but israel split it off earlier than juda. So regardless of what the numbers are

[01:46:28] Israel should get the larger number

[01:46:30] Whatever those numbers are. No, I agree with that

[01:46:32] I mean based on based on the type of calculations we're making here with regard to

[01:46:38] Lying on your side for a year and a half or whatever the fuck we're doing

[01:46:42] Exactly. Okay. So we're gonna read further now, but I just I felt like I had to explain

[01:46:47] What those years were because um in my notes, I was like hang on hang on hang on

[01:46:52] Right and I had to like go back and you know, see what that was about. Sure. So

[01:46:57] Okay, so continuing on god is talking to ezekiel again. Okay. All right

[01:47:03] Take we and barley beans and lentils mill it and spelt

[01:47:08] Put them in a storage jar and use them to make bread for yourself

[01:47:12] You are to eat it during the 390 days that you lie on your side

[01:47:17] Motherfuckers gonna eat nothing but bread. Yes

[01:47:20] Okay way out 20 shekels of food to eat each day and eat it at set times

[01:47:27] Also measure out a six of a hint of water and drink it at set times. Okay, look look look

[01:47:35] So, okay, you're talking about a year and a half. Okay

[01:47:39] 400 and some days worth of lying on your side 430 days of lying on your side, right bound by god

[01:47:47] Apparently you cannot get up from there

[01:47:51] Where are you storing it like what are you doing with all this food? Where is it? Hang on? How is that happening?

[01:47:56] I don't understand how this is gonna work. We're gonna get there. Are we we are okay kind of does god like push it to

[01:48:03] Um or something no hang on

[01:48:05] Okay, all right. All right

[01:48:06] So to continue eat the food as you would a loaf of barley bread

[01:48:11] Bake it in the sight of the people using human excrement for fuel

[01:48:16] Oh, the lord said in this way the people of israel will eat defiled food among the nations where I will drive them

[01:48:24] Okay, so let's let's go to the notes a minute. Sure. Sure

[01:48:27] So ezekiel acts out the role

[01:48:30] Of jerusalem citizens eating meager rations of food to symbolize famine

[01:48:35] Even baking cakes over dung to emphasize the severity of what's to come. Okay. Yeah, so but let's talk about what the

[01:48:42] Fuck is millet and spelt. Well, millet is like a seed or like a

[01:48:47] Yeah, well, he named a whole bunch of things like beans and barley and all that shit

[01:48:51] And then he said millet and spelt those were considered inferior kinds of wheat. Oh, okay to make it

[01:48:58] Last longer and and to dole out the nutrients further. I see okay kind of like putting

[01:49:05] salt

[01:49:06] What salt us salt us in your food?

[01:49:09] Yeah, I've never done that. But you know, that's a thing. Yeah when

[01:49:12] People don't have a lot of choices to make the food go further. Sure. Okay

[01:49:17] So, okay, let's talk about what the fuck is 20 shekels of food like what even is that right?

[01:49:22] Yeah, said measure that out. Sure. Um 20 shekels is about eight ounces

[01:49:28] Which is the ration of bread per person per day

[01:49:31] Which is to show the great scarcity of bread. So it's supposed to be like a bite or two

[01:49:37] Of representation of like the rations that the israelis are dealing with or whatever that they're going to

[01:49:42] Oh, they're going to have yeah. Yeah. All right. Got it. So he's like you're basically going to be acting this out in front of them

[01:49:49] Okay. Yeah, and then so let's talk about what is a sixth part of a hint

[01:49:54] Sixth. Yeah, you know, I hate that word. I cannot say it

[01:49:58] It's about two-thirds of a quart

[01:50:02] Which is the daily water ration

[01:50:04] That is going to symbolize the they're restricted access to water. Okay. Okay. All right, so he's going to have barely any water

[01:50:12] And only like a bite or two of bread every day

[01:50:15] For a year and a half. Okay. Yeah, and what um

[01:50:20] The what's going to happen to his you know crap like what's when he takes a shit

[01:50:24] What's gonna happen in a minute we are well, okay? So remember he said and bake it over human excrement

[01:50:30] Right. So he's going to use his shit to make the fire. Yeah, but we're going to talk more about that in a minute for now

[01:50:35] Let's just talk about the food itself. Okay. All right, so

[01:50:39] um scholars and apologists say that obviously

[01:50:44] He had to be able to move because he's been ordered to prepare this food and measure out these items for himself

[01:50:51] So it's very likely that he only

[01:50:54] Slept there at night on his side. But it said he was bound like it said he was bound during those time periods. Yes

[01:51:01] Okay, so he either did that at night like he slept outdoors

[01:51:05] Or um, he had set hours during the day

[01:51:09] That he had to perform this and then he would you know go back into his house because he was doing this outside in front of

[01:51:14] Everybody, right? Okay, because the whole point is that they see him

[01:51:18] Because he's symbolizing to the people that this is what you guys are going to go through

[01:51:23] Yeah, and so he has to be doing it in front of them

[01:51:26] So he's probably either outside his house or like in the town square or whatever. Got it. Okay

[01:51:32] So he's either doing it at night, which I don't think is right because I don't think as many people would have seen him

[01:51:38] More likely he did it during the day for set hours

[01:51:41] And then he would go back home and you know prepare

[01:51:44] His measurements right right, okay, okay, so remember he was told to

[01:51:50] Um use human excrement that would have been his poop

[01:51:53] Yeah to as feel for the fire to bake the bread, right? Okay. Yeah, so okay

[01:51:57] So then we're going back to reading now and azekiel's talking now

[01:52:01] Then I azekiel said

[01:52:04] Not so sovereign lord, uh, I have never defiled myself from my youth until now

[01:52:12] I have never eaten anything found dead or torn by wild animals. No impure meat has ever entered my mouth

[01:52:21] So he's like the fuck i'm not doing that

[01:52:23] Right, it sounds crazy

[01:52:25] You're ordering me to break your rules that have been like for centuries things that we have followed

[01:52:32] I don't think that's right. Do you want to rephrase god?

[01:52:35] But if you are truly a prophet and god is truly talking to you

[01:52:39] Do you really like this is one of those things where I questioned in the past because

[01:52:44] Earlier on in the bible if you questioned god you were you got smoked as buck. Yeah, yeah

[01:52:49] Like that's not a thing you wanted to do

[01:52:52] So I have to I have to wonder about these prophets that are like questioning god yesterday

[01:52:58] Three times in a row you fell on your fucking face

[01:53:00] You were so shocked at the side of them and today you're like whoa, whoa, whoa

[01:53:05] You let this fucker put a scroll down your goddamn throat, right? I mean come on or something something. Yeah, he told you today something

[01:53:12] Yeah, so

[01:53:14] Um, I'm just telling you what it says. Okay. So I agree with you. Yeah, so then god says very well

[01:53:22] I will let you bake your bread over cow dung

[01:53:26] Instead of human excrement. Okay, so he didn't you know entirely say no poop

[01:53:31] He was just like fine fine fine. I won't make you use human poop which would be

[01:53:36] Part of the defilement. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, he then said to me son of man

[01:53:42] You know, yeah me or fucking human right? Yeah

[01:53:45] I am about to cut off the food supply in jerusalem

[01:53:48] The people will eat rationed food in anxiety and drink rationed water in despair

[01:53:55] For food and water will be scarce

[01:53:57] They will be appalled at the side of each other and will waste away because of their sin

[01:54:03] The end I mean we saw that in I mean so I mean this is technically happening

[01:54:08] Like this is supposed to be a prophecy prior to the Babylonian exile. Exactly

[01:54:13] Well, he is in the early wave of the Babylonian exile before the final way

[01:54:19] Right, right, but this is prior to the starvation and all that stuff they described

[01:54:23] Yeah, I think it was at the end of Jeremiah where we heard some of that correct so but you know

[01:54:30] So I have to believe that this was actually written

[01:54:33] After after right and not a prophecy. It's a backdated fill in right. Yeah, but um

[01:54:41] It's just it it's really

[01:54:43] This is really weird. Yeah, like this whole this whole book so far has been really really fucking weird

[01:54:50] It's been fun though. It has been fun

[01:54:53] But like I'm questioning the sanity of this person, you know

[01:54:56] Like Ezekiel does not seem like a sane human being is not lending legitimacy to this at all

[01:55:01] No, I mean

[01:55:03] I feel like this he must have been like the

[01:55:06] The the drug outcast like he was he was like, oh there goes Ezekiel because he's

[01:55:12] Man, you he's weird. Yeah, he's he's on something man. I don't know what it is

[01:55:16] No wonder when Jeremiah finally came around later. They were like no fuck this

[01:55:20] We've had enough of you fucking prophets. Y'all are full of shit like literally right? Yeah, but no

[01:55:27] But Jeremiah would have been separate though Jeremiah was over in Jerusalem. This guy was over in Babylon, right?

[01:55:32] That's true. So I mean they wouldn't have been necessarily

[01:55:36] That if Jeremiah was a secret double agent for Babylon

[01:55:42] He might have come up and talked with Ezekiel

[01:55:46] Sure. I'm not saying that their paths might have crossed. I'm sure that their paths probably did cross

[01:55:51] But I I think this guy

[01:55:54] Is just like I mean, this is some really really nutty stuff happening

[01:55:58] No, I agree

[01:55:59] And the whole the being bound for a year and a half thing like this was

[01:56:03] Truly something that would that that had happened like that's just I I can't even imagine

[01:56:09] Being a person witnessing this thing happen like what is wrong with this guy?

[01:56:14] Well remember was it Isaiah that had to walk around naked? But then they were like, but it wasn't really naked

[01:56:20] He was just in his sackcloth undies. Right, but that was out in the desert and he was alone

[01:56:25] You know like at least that's the impression I got from that one. I thought he had to walk around naked in town

[01:56:29] No, it was in the desert. Was it? Yeah. Okay. It was in the desert. I don't remember so

[01:56:34] Um, well, let me tell you about fire a little bit. Okay. Sure before we

[01:56:39] Close out. Yeah, okay

[01:56:40] So burley cakes were often baked on stones and that's coming straight from first kings chapter 19

[01:56:47] Heated with fire using a fuel of animal dung. So that's not unusual. Okay often mixed with straw

[01:56:55] Animal dung dried animal dung was used as fuel in the east and still is in some places today

[01:57:02] And it was not regarded as ritually unclean

[01:57:05] So that's why when god relented he was like, okay

[01:57:09] He's not gonna. He's not gonna make him break his laws because he's like i'm

[01:57:13] I'm godly. I don't want to break your laws. Yeah, I don't want to be ungodly to prove

[01:57:19] I guess I can appreciate that given that this is supposedly a

[01:57:23] Godly quote-unquote godly man, right? And well, and if he's um trying to

[01:57:28] Show the people you guys need to get right with god

[01:57:31] Breaking god's rule to display god's rule

[01:57:35] Doesn't exactly lend him any credibility. Like why would they listen to him? They they could easily point to that and be like, um

[01:57:44] You're not clean. Why the fuck will we listen to you?

[01:57:46] But I am gonna say this real quick because you know, there's a lot of talk about how god has like he's

[01:57:52] Unquestionably right about everything right? He is the ultimate authority. You shall not question god's judgment, right?

[01:58:00] Yeah, and yet yet

[01:58:03] He not only questioned god's judgment

[01:58:06] But god changed his mind god relented. I'm like what yeah

[01:58:10] If you know best

[01:58:12] Why would you even consider?

[01:58:14] Contemplate changing your mind right and here's here's a good reason why god could have put his foot down and said

[01:58:20] No, we are gonna do it this way and here's why

[01:58:23] Okay, yeah human waste was considered ritually unclean which we've already talked about

[01:58:28] And had to be buried outside the camp of the Israelites to prevent defilement and that's straight from deuteronomy chapter 23

[01:58:35] However during the siege

[01:58:37] To come yeah all cattle would be killed for food

[01:58:42] So only human excrement would be available at that point for fuel got it. So, you know

[01:58:48] I honestly

[01:58:50] I know it's gross and dumb and weird

[01:58:52] But to make his point that no you're acting this out. This is what's gonna be happening

[01:58:57] I honestly feel like god should have put his foot down and said no because this is the way it's gonna be being unclean and being

[01:59:05] Starvacious and cooking

[01:59:06] Shit food over human shit

[01:59:10] It's what's gonna be right right like if you're trying to make the point make the fucking point right so I I feel like that

[01:59:18] kind of

[01:59:19] Didn't do um either of them any favors right right and and more over I feel like the things

[01:59:26] Earlier on in the bible like with Moses and things like that there was some times when moses questioned god

[01:59:31] I felt like he had a better leg to stand on than this. Yes, you know, but god didn't back down then

[01:59:36] Right, so I put on this god's like meh. Okay. You're right

[01:59:40] Right, and it's like really the times that he picks to back down and the times he doesn't yeah

[01:59:45] They don't really make any sense to smite or not to smite right who could fucking know. Yeah. Yeah, I don't get it

[01:59:52] um

[01:59:53] You got anything else to add for today or no that is it for this chapter

[01:59:58] All right. Well, that was a zekiel chapter four sure as fuck was which means that we'll be back tomorrow with

[02:00:04] Zekiel chapter five just an fyi before we get on out of here

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[02:01:00] Again, that was a zekiel chapter four and we'll be back tomorrow with a zekiel chapter five

[02:01:06] That is correct and we'll see you then. Yep

[02:01:09] Bye

[02:01:14] Husband wife, do you know where the hell we are and how the hell we got here?

[02:01:19] Well, we just got done reading a zekiel chapter four

[02:01:22] We sure as fuck did and in that chapter a zekiel

[02:01:26] Was told by god to get a block of clay or something

[02:01:30] And build drusselm so we were doing like arts and crafts time and making a miniature dollhouse. Yeah

[02:01:36] Yeah, and then we had to get like a

[02:01:39] Plate or something or I don't know some wall

[02:01:42] He's he had to put up a wall between him and and this clay drusselm right

[02:01:47] And then so and then god was like and then now

[02:01:51] You're gonna lay on your side for 390 days right and stare at it and

[02:01:58] You're gonna use human, you know shit to cook your food

[02:02:02] And then you know as he killed was like I but but I don't that's against your laws and and growth

[02:02:07] I don't want to do that. And then god was like fine

[02:02:10] You can use cow dung

[02:02:12] Fine, but you're still lying there for 390 days. Yeah or more next show is more because he's gonna add on the time for

[02:02:19] um

[02:02:20] Judah on top of the time for israel or whatever so and you only get one bite of bread per day basically

[02:02:26] Yeah, and a shitty bread too. Yeah shitty bread and a bit of water

[02:02:32] All right. Anyway, that was the gist of uh, ezekiel chapter 4

[02:02:37] Yes, uh, which means that today we're getting into ezekiel chapter 5. All right, let's do this okie dokie

[02:02:53] All right, we are jumping into easy kyle chapter 5 ezekiel

[02:02:59] He's okay, babe. Hmm. Okay. So yeah god is talking is he talking talking to ezekiel

[02:03:06] This is this is uh

[02:03:08] continuation from the last chapter where he was like, you know cook your shit

[02:03:12] Yeah, cook your shit on your shit. Yeah. Yeah, and rondo on a cow shit and i'm gonna tell you some things

[02:03:19] Yeah, okay. So now we're that's where we are now. Sure. Yeah

[02:03:22] Now

[02:03:24] Son of man you mere human. Yes, son of a bitch

[02:03:28] Yeah

[02:03:28] Take a sharp sword and use it as a barber's razor to shave your head and your beard

[02:03:37] I mean wow

[02:03:39] so um

[02:03:42] Not only is he lying on the side for a year and a half and cooking his food over cow dung

[02:03:48] And staring at a clay model of drusselm through a pan or something

[02:03:55] And now he has to shave with a sword with the sword. Okay. Yep. All right now

[02:03:59] We know what shaving represents, right the baldness

[02:04:03] Um, it was a sign of mourning mourning or of great, um, disgrace. Yeah. Yeah, and shaving like that was forbidden to a priest like

[02:04:13] Ezekiel

[02:04:14] Because it was ordinarily

[02:04:16] It meant the loss of priestly status and position. Oh, okay, you know

[02:04:22] He's really given him

[02:04:25] What for you know or or he's gone off the complete deep end. Yeah, you know, I mean something something's up

[02:04:30] Yeah, so he's telling him shave all your shit. Okay. Yeah, then he says with a sword with a sword with a sword

[02:04:36] Then take a set of scales and divide up the hair

[02:04:42] Listen

[02:04:45] Listen, i'm gonna tell you what he's gonna do with the the divisions

[02:04:49] Does he get to make a pillow out of one of them? Because that would be that would be nice almost. Okay, almost actually

[02:04:54] Kind of but not really kind of but not really. All right. Okay. You be the judge. Okay

[02:04:59] When the days of your siege come to an end

[02:05:03] Burn a third of the hair inside the city

[02:05:07] Okay, take a third and strike it with the sword all around the city and scatter a third to the wind

[02:05:14] For I will pursue them with a drawn sword

[02:05:17] So each third represents some of the people some of them are gonna die in the city

[02:05:22] Got it by fire and famine and whatever sure some are gonna get killed with a sword

[02:05:26] And some are just gonna be scattered to the winds every which way. Okay. Yeah, okay

[02:05:30] Here's where we get to maybe a pillow. Sure

[02:05:33] but

[02:05:34] Take a few hairs and tuck them away in the folds of your garment

[02:05:39] Again take a few of these and throw them into the fire and burn them up

[02:05:43] What okay fire will spread from there to all israel

[02:05:48] I see so he does get to sew a couple

[02:05:51] Into his little um coat thing his little

[02:05:55] Whatever he's wearing

[02:05:56] But then he just takes it he but so he's gonna take

[02:05:59] A couple and that's the remnant. I guess. Yes, exactly. Good job. Okay. All right

[02:06:03] But then he's also going to take a couple and throw on the fire and that's going to spread to the rest of this stuff

[02:06:07] Yeah, okay. Like he's basically all his hair is

[02:06:13] Representative of the people and what's going to happen to them got it. Okay. Yeah, so

[02:06:18] um, so something else though that's interesting is

[02:06:23] Um, I just I have to read this note because this is like kind of wowed me a little bit

[02:06:27] Just in a like literary sense. Can you imagine the smell that must have?

[02:06:31] Yes, actually I can because I did

[02:06:35] Burn my hair accidentally once does not smell good. It smells

[02:06:39] horrendous

[02:06:40] So me and this friend of mine we were sitting in this restaurant, right? And um, it was

[02:06:47] Like so quiet that when we talked to each other like it sounded loud

[02:06:52] Right, so we were both leaned across the table to each other. She and I to try to keep it a little quieter

[02:06:57] Yeah, so, you know, we could kind of be like, you know keeping it between us and not like the staff

[02:07:03] Right. Yeah, you know restaurant. Yeah, and we smelled this horrendous smell and we were like, what the fuck is that?

[02:07:11] It was my fucking hair in the candle

[02:07:14] In the fucking candle on the table

[02:07:17] And I will never forget how horrible that smell. I mean it was rotten. Yeah, why why does it smell like that?

[02:07:25] I don't know just because I mean maybe it's maybe it's meant to smell like that

[02:07:30] So that way, you know when you're on fire, right?

[02:07:33] Stop drop and roll babes

[02:07:35] Yeah

[02:07:36] I wasn't on fire, but my hair was burning right and it was not good. Yeah, so

[02:07:43] Um, I had to go get a trim the next day to even my hair out. Yeah. Yeah, not good. Don't do it

[02:07:50] No, okay. Nope. Okay. So listen to this

[02:07:53] Isaiah prophesied over a century before this time. Okay that

[02:07:58] Judah would be shaved by the razor of Assyria

[02:08:02] That was in Isaiah chapter seven. Okay, so just from the literary

[02:08:08] Um circular way that that's written. I I appreciate that if this was a book

[02:08:14] I would be like, oh nice. Okay, right like nice callback. Yeah, um, obviously this is not

[02:08:21] High literature. So right it's annoying. Right. Yeah, and and you know again

[02:08:26] I'll wait to hear the final word on when this was all written but

[02:08:31] Much of the the prophecy shit seems to have been written

[02:08:34] After the stuff has already happened. Yeah, so I don't really I don't really take a lot of stock in it

[02:08:39] But no, I I totally agree with you. I just I I wanted to read that because it's like, oh, okay

[02:08:45] Okay, I see what you did there. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so all right. So that fire is going to spread blah, blah, blah

[02:08:50] Okay, this is what the sovereign lord says

[02:08:54] Ready. I'm ready. Okay. This is Jerusalem

[02:08:57] Which I have set in the center of the nations with countries all around her

[02:09:03] Yet in her wickedness she has rebelled against my laws and decrees

[02:09:07] More than the nations and countries around her. Hmm. She has rejected my law

[02:09:13] Bullshit on that because the countries around her quote unquote were sacrificing babies

[02:09:19] Okay, but here's the thing and I'm not

[02:09:23] Even a little bit trying to defend the sacrificing of babies. Yeah

[02:09:27] What god has peeved about is not what they were up to or what they weren't up to

[02:09:33] They were worshiping their god as they were supposed to right his people

[02:09:38] Rejected him. That's what he's angry about

[02:09:43] Not the sacrificing of babies again

[02:09:46] I feel like if he would have just spoke up a couple of times here and there

[02:09:49] Other than sending his message through really unreliable fucking prophets

[02:09:54] Then it might have worked out a lot better for them, you know deciding that god was real

[02:09:58] Right. So I I don't have a lot of empathy for god's plate here with regard to how he feels about the israelites

[02:10:04] No, I totally agree with you. Um, this kind of relates to the story of the prodigal son

[02:10:11] Are you familiar with that story? Yeah

[02:10:13] So it's the whole but the good one was being good all the time. Why are you

[02:10:17] So happy that, you know, the one that was bad came home. This is kind of like the inverse of that in a way

[02:10:22] Sure, but the people over there they were doing what they were supposed to be doing

[02:10:26] He wasn't mad at them. Those aren't his people. He doesn't give a fuck what they're doing

[02:10:31] They didn't know. Yeah, so

[02:10:33] Why why would he care what other people are doing?

[02:10:36] Murdering babies. That's fine. Whatever do that. I I mean, I I guess that's fair ish

[02:10:41] But in canon not in actual practice, but like we're talking about a god who who hypothetically

[02:10:49] Created all of the universe all of the earth all the people on it all the things that live on it

[02:10:55] everything right and

[02:10:57] I still cannot wrap my head around why he only cares about this small group of people

[02:11:02] I cannot it makes literally no sense to me. No, I

[02:11:06] And it takes a lot of the

[02:11:09] The the believability out of the story like this doesn't this doesn't track man

[02:11:14] It doesn't make sense. Right like just on a on a on a meta syrup

[02:11:19] On a you know macro scale, right? It does not make sense, right this all powerful god

[02:11:27] Is caring about

[02:11:29] You know

[02:11:30] 100,000 people right why why does why why does he care about them more than

[02:11:36] The rest of everybody else right like that. Yeah, I don't get it either

[02:11:40] So that that bothers me as well. It should yeah

[02:11:43] What bothers me is that god literally is pissed about his ego

[02:11:50] More than he's pissed about any babies anywhere being sacrificed to any god ever

[02:11:55] Right. He doesn't give a fuck about those babies. Yeah

[02:11:58] He's pissed because his little pride his weiner got stepped on

[02:12:03] Yeah, because his people aren't worshiping him hard enough or whatever or at all or at all. Yeah

[02:12:09] He's he's sad. He's in his feels. Fuck him. Yeah, I agree. I agree

[02:12:14] So he's talking about his precious people

[02:12:18] Um, she his nation has rejected my laws and has not followed my decrees

[02:12:26] Therefore this is what the sovereign lord says

[02:12:29] You have been more unruly than the nations around you and have not followed my decrees or kept my laws

[02:12:36] You have not even conformed to the standards of the nations around you

[02:12:40] Okay, that's that's actually kind of a cool argument

[02:12:43] Right because he's like it not only aren't you worshiping me which is bad enough

[02:12:48] But all these other little religions that you adopted. You're not even doing them right you stupid

[02:12:52] Well, it sounds I mean like the way we've taken it is that they're kind of just like a mix match over all the little

[02:12:58] Localish gods and they're just like whichever one, you know, I don't care as long as it does the trick, you know

[02:13:04] Yeah

[02:13:05] This is fine. They're right in them like like they've said even in this chapter

[02:13:08] Like they're right in the middle of all these different cultures, right?

[02:13:11] So obviously they're going to be influenced by these other people

[02:13:15] You know, it's just it's natural to be influenced by surrounding cultures, you know

[02:13:20] Well, yeah, and it's kind of good like it opens you up to learning about other ways

[02:13:28] Right and other lifestyles and other

[02:13:32] virtues and makes you you know question what you stand for and

[02:13:38] You know

[02:13:39] Reaffirm maybe what you stand for or adopt a broader view. Yeah

[02:13:44] So and god doesn't want that he wants you to remain only static

[02:13:49] Right

[02:13:51] Well, that could be part of the problem with regard to getting conquered and war things that are happening because you know

[02:13:56] There there's a faction of the Israelites that that wants them to be very

[02:14:01] Closed down right that wants them to be very

[02:14:05] Nationalistic and just within themselves kind of like the republicans today

[02:14:09] Right and so maybe them not opening up to the other cultures

[02:14:13] Was part of the problem as to why they were having all these warring issues. Yeah

[02:14:16] So, I mean, I don't know like you could look at that from that perspective and say maybe they you know

[02:14:23] Maybe they didn't

[02:14:25] Reach out to these other cultures enough

[02:14:27] Right, you know instead of

[02:14:29] Focusing on god. Maybe they should have focused on these other people. Yeah, so who knows? Yeah, who knows

[02:14:35] Therefore this is what the sovereign lord says

[02:14:39] I myself am against you jerusalem. You have fuckers

[02:14:42] And I will inflict punishment on you in the sight of the nations

[02:14:47] Right, so he's like not only am I gonna stab you my own people because I'm pissed at you

[02:14:52] I'm gonna do it in such a way as that

[02:14:56] It's on the stage right and they were going to see you and laugh at you and point at you

[02:15:00] Yeah, so you're gonna die but also be shamed right because as you're dying

[02:15:05] Shame is really what you're gonna be worried about while you're

[02:15:08] Starving to death and boiling your baby. No, this is why this is why god's asshole because this is really just him

[02:15:14] Enjoying what he's doing. Yeah, like it again in canon

[02:15:18] This god is enjoying the misery and pain

[02:15:22] He's bringing to quote unquote his people

[02:15:25] I mean that tracks because the

[02:15:28] Christian republican party today like the thing that we say most about them is

[02:15:33] Um, the cruelty is the point

[02:15:36] Right, you know, yeah, and that that tracks their god is

[02:15:40] Where they get this from the cruelty is the point and even today

[02:15:44] I think that a lot of the the christian culture

[02:15:47] Is based on on on a large amount of self self loathing

[02:15:51] Like they they are brought to god through self loathing. They are

[02:15:55] They are driven to these ideas through through self loathing and that was very prominent in the old testament

[02:16:01] Like that's I mean these people are told you're a sinner. You suck before you were ever born

[02:16:06] You were already trash and garbage right like you've been told from the day that you're born

[02:16:12] That you are trash. It's a very abusive

[02:16:15] Um relationship that they have with this god with their religion and and what do people who have been abused do

[02:16:21] They abuse other people. You know, they hurt other people

[02:16:25] So, I mean the fact that we are dealing with what we deal with in

[02:16:29] In the now

[02:16:30] Yeah, is not really that surprising in my opinion. Right. That's why I said it right right. Yeah. Yeah. No, I totally with you

[02:16:38] Yeah

[02:16:39] Because of all of your detestable idols

[02:16:42] I will do to you what I have never done before and will never do again

[02:16:47] I would do it. Do you believe that? No because it's happening right fucking now. So bullshit

[02:16:52] Well, he kind of said the same thing after the fucking flood where he killed everybody. Yeah, I'm never gonna

[02:16:57] That's what the rainbow was about right? Well, no, he didn't say he would never kill in large quantities

[02:17:03] He just said he would never do it via flood. I know

[02:17:06] I'm just saying like it's such a loophole

[02:17:09] You could have read it in the if you wanted to be, you know, if you wanted to believe in a gracious god

[02:17:14] You could have read it to say that he's never going to do it again

[02:17:17] He would never kill his people. I could have interpreted it that way if I wanted to right

[02:17:21] But you but obviously he does kill people in large quantities again

[02:17:25] So you can't read it that way if you want to believe right, but it's just it's just

[02:17:32] He's like I'll never flood you again

[02:17:35] But I'll do other stuff and then he's like, okay. Okay. Okay. I'll never flood you and I'll never um

[02:17:42] Make you like starve to death in your own city and boil your own children ever again

[02:17:48] How many different scenarios do we have to come across before we're done with all the fucking killing you're gonna do to us, right?

[02:17:55] You're a dick

[02:17:56] God, you're a dick. You don't exist

[02:17:59] But in this book, you're a dick and therefore your followers are dicks. Yeah, so thanks for that

[02:18:06] Right

[02:18:06] Therefore in your midst parents will eat their children and children will eat their parents

[02:18:12] Oh, okay. I'm for that if I'm being honest

[02:18:15] I mean

[02:18:16] If it were up to me

[02:18:18] Whether we get eaten or we eat our children. I'd rather they eat us. Yeah, you know, yeah

[02:18:23] A good parent. I don't think it's good. It's not good any way around

[02:18:26] No, but a decent parent will hope that their child survives them. Yeah, because I just be like knock me out first man

[02:18:32] Yeah, like yeah, I don't want to be a I don't want to go away for that shit

[02:18:36] Right, you know kill me kill me quick or how about like, okay

[02:18:40] One of us is gonna have to die to feed the other like turn around. I will off myself

[02:18:45] You don't have to be part of it

[02:18:47] But I want you to be able to survive another day so that maybe help can come right, you know

[02:18:53] Yeah, like your your kids obviously have a lot more future ahead of them than yeah, the parents do so

[02:18:59] It makes more sense

[02:19:00] You're supposed to want your children to have a better longer healthier happier life than you did

[02:19:05] Right like each generation should want better for the next generation

[02:19:10] But again, they worship a god that is okay with letting them eat their children and vice versa. Yeah

[02:19:18] so

[02:19:19] I mean the values of these people and the values of that god. I just can't right, you know, yeah, whatever

[02:19:26] I will inflict punishment punishment on you says god and will scatter all your survivors to the winds

[02:19:34] So, you know just like the hairs. Yeah

[02:19:37] Therefore as surely as I live declares the sovereign lord

[02:19:42] Because you have defiled my sanctuary with all your vile images and detestable practices

[02:19:49] I myself will shave you I will not look on you with pity or spare you

[02:19:55] A third of your people will die of the plague or perish by famine inside you

[02:20:02] A third will fall by the sword outside your walls and a third I will scatter to the winds and pursue with drawn sword

[02:20:11] Okay, then though then yeah, then then is gonna get nice again

[02:20:15] Yeah, my anger will cease and my wrath against them will subside. Yay, and I will be avenged

[02:20:20] Okay. Yeah after I kill

[02:20:23] You know the majority of you I'll be happy then

[02:20:26] Can you imagine if if it was okay to be like you don't worship me enough? So I'm just gonna kill you. Yeah

[02:20:32] That's so that's not okay. No, right. No, no, we don't do that

[02:20:36] Right, that's not oh, that's not good murder isn't great guys. Let's not no. Yeah

[02:20:42] And when I have spent my wrath on them, Jesus Christ this language

[02:20:47] Yeah, we they will know that I the lord have spoken in my zeal

[02:20:54] Hmm. Okay. Okay. I'm I'm so this is making me so

[02:20:59] Angry and just like what the fuck is wrong with you people that you believe this and you pray to this

[02:21:04] Oh, yeah

[02:21:06] I will make you a ruin and a reproach among the nations around you in the sight of all who pass by

[02:21:14] You will be a reproach and a taunt

[02:21:17] A warning and an object of horror to the nations around you

[02:21:22] When I inflict punishment on you in anger and in wrath and with stinging rebuke

[02:21:29] Are the lord have spoken

[02:21:31] That that little bit right there sounds a little bit more like the Jeremiah stuff that we were reading. Yeah, like it's just

[02:21:36] There's there's a very

[02:21:39] Normal amigetia. Yeah. Yeah, well, I'm not just Jeremiah, but isa and whatever like it's the amigetia of it. Yeah, right

[02:21:45] Yeah

[02:21:47] When I shoot at you with my deadly and destructive arrows of famine

[02:21:52] I will shoot to destroy you

[02:21:56] I love how we had to describe

[02:21:58] Just how deadly and destructive the arrows were because arrows wasn't enough, right? But you know, yeah

[02:22:04] It was not just arrows, but deadly ones and destructive ones. Right. Yeah

[02:22:09] Yeah, I will bring more and more famine upon you and cut off your supply of food

[02:22:16] I will send famine and wild beasts against you and they will leave you childless

[02:22:22] You know what this reminds me of when we were watching

[02:22:26] the Benedict Cumberbatch version of Sherlock and

[02:22:30] Moriarty looks at him and says I'll burn you. I'll burn the heart out of you. Right, right?

[02:22:37] That's that's what God like God is that evil character. Yeah, right? Yeah, like I'm picturing Moriarty saying this

[02:22:45] Yeah, there's a problem with that. No, and there's in my mind. I'm like eventually we get to Jesus, right?

[02:22:52] And and I'm I'm really really like

[02:22:56] Based on my rudimentary understanding of what Jesus stands for

[02:23:00] I'm really struggling with how we get there from here. Yeah, you know, like this this is not

[02:23:06] Like how does Jesus not look at all of this and goes I want nothing to do with that?

[02:23:12] Nope, I'm out. Right. Yeah, like why did he not run away and be like, oh, no, I'm not that I'm not son of that guy

[02:23:19] Right that guy's a dick. Yeah. Yeah

[02:23:23] Plague and bloodshed will sweep through you and I will bring the sword against you

[02:23:29] Either Lord have spoke in the end has he now he spoke. Okay. He spoke

[02:23:33] Um, I don't generally like it when he speaks. No because he's a dick. He is very much dick and he's mean

[02:23:41] Yes, he's murdery and mean. Yeah

[02:23:46] The the imagery that that

[02:23:48] He said like the the imagery that goes on when he is speaking

[02:23:52] Is so dark and and just overwhelming with regard to how

[02:23:57] Awful it is, you know, like I was watching youtube

[02:24:02] reaction channel things and this girl was

[02:24:06] reacting to tick tocks of people with crazy X's

[02:24:11] Yeah, right and the crazy X's were saying some of this shit like I hate you. I'm gonna kill you

[02:24:17] I'm gonna get you. You know what I mean, right?

[02:24:19] And I'm like you sound like a crazy person god

[02:24:24] well

[02:24:25] I think that this is honestly like

[02:24:27] This is the the cause of a lot of the the problems that we have in our society

[02:24:33] This behavior is something that is just ingrained in one of the largest

[02:24:39] Social structures we have, you know, which is religion

[02:24:43] And so it's it's been made to be accepted as as a way of operating that especially when men are given the

[02:24:53] They're they're next to god, right? Like the men are in charge of the women

[02:24:57] That's that's the way it's laid out through the bible through through religion

[02:25:01] You know, like that's not what progressives or we think or anything like that, right?

[02:25:05] But that's through the bible and especially the more repressed bible groups

[02:25:10] The man is definitely in charge of the woman, right? So these behaviors

[02:25:15] Are very much in line with how the ot god

[02:25:19] Operates it's it's it's all fire and brimstone. It's all you know, awful shit. I hate you

[02:25:25] I'm gonna get back at you so hard

[02:25:28] You're gonna die forever

[02:25:30] And ever and then us as as people who worship this god or whatever are supposed to just come back and be

[02:25:36] Okay with it much like the wife who gets abused right from their husband that is treating their wife the same way

[02:25:42] Or the children or whatever. Yeah, and and it's been societally

[02:25:46] Accepted that that's an okay way to act for men

[02:25:49] because

[02:25:51] Of this right because of this and this is one of the biggest reasons why I feel

[02:25:56] We have to say these things we have to read this book

[02:26:00] Because we have to know what the fuck we're talking about when we say

[02:26:05] The bible is influencing our culture and our laws in america

[02:26:11] And it's fucking problematic. Yeah, and this is why

[02:26:14] Atheists are pissed

[02:26:16] Christians you keep asking why we're so mad and why we're so up in the bible all the time

[02:26:22] This this is why right it stands for some really just god awful shit

[02:26:29] And it's not okay, right

[02:26:31] You can just decide that you're just

[02:26:34] Spiritual or whatever like that that's that's fine

[02:26:37] And I'll probably accept you out on your level and be okay with who you are

[02:26:41] Because you accept people and you're not a complete asshole and I'm fine with that to an extent

[02:26:47] But it's still

[02:26:48] Based on this same religion that is based on a fucking shitty ass god, right?

[02:26:54] I I was reading in um reddit

[02:26:58] People there's like this subreddit about why do

[02:27:02] atheists read the bible and why can't atheists

[02:27:06] Um be converted blah blah blah and like all of the answers were

[02:27:11] Along the same line as you know

[02:27:14] Well, if your heart is hardened then of course the bible looks horrible and full of gibberish

[02:27:19] You can't get the message and they're like talking about how you know

[02:27:24] You have to understand it from the whole perspective blah blah blah and you know, they're not able to and I'm like

[02:27:30] You are justifying all of this

[02:27:33] Well, and I call bullshit on that because we have we have people that we know that listen to our podcast

[02:27:38] I know of people that I've listened to in interviews

[02:27:42] They were very very enveloped in religion and and and feeling the god feels and and all the things

[02:27:49] And they they fully believed and even came down on atheists, you know in their previous life

[02:27:56] Before they converted over to an atheist

[02:27:59] By reading the bible by you know

[02:28:02] Something caught them up, you know something something stopped them and made them do a little bit more research

[02:28:08] And that's how they became an atheist right, but they were in the same camp

[02:28:13] They were in that same

[02:28:14] You know boat that a lot of people who are shitty towards us

[02:28:19] Are right now, right and you you can't tell them that they didn't they don't know what that's like

[02:28:25] They do I've talked to them. I know them right and you know, you and I we don't know what it's like

[02:28:31] We were never there. We were never fully

[02:28:33] immersed in religion, right? Yeah, it was never a thing that we'd had but

[02:28:38] We know people that for sure were and

[02:28:43] They they know exactly what you what it is to to feel god's presence

[02:28:47] And they know exactly what it is to be touched by god and all these things

[02:28:51] It's just that they stopped believing because they got tripped up because there's a lot to get tripped up on

[02:28:57] because rape and slavery and vengeance and murder and

[02:29:03] rape and

[02:29:04] Yeah cutting people up dancing in their blood

[02:29:07] And if you let somebody stop telling you what to believe about the bible and you try to learn it for yourself

[02:29:12] You might actually end up closer to where we are right than where you are now

[02:29:16] On top of feeling betrayed because you were tricked and lied to sure and I'm not even saying that you'll you'll become an atheist

[02:29:23] I we also know people that are very much not atheist but have

[02:29:28] softened their view

[02:29:30] because they have chosen to

[02:29:33] Research and learn about the bible and christianity and judaism and all that. Yeah, so

[02:29:39] You you have to be willing to

[02:29:42] Not take someone's word

[02:29:44] That this is what this belief is right and do the research yourself to get out of the cycle of shittiness

[02:29:50] Right and that's the only thing that's gonna

[02:29:53] Stop a lot of these behaviors that happen

[02:29:56] because of

[02:29:58] Christianity mostly is christianity at this point. Yeah, judaism is a lot better with regard to

[02:30:04] Understanding their flaws and doing research for the most part for the most part and they're a lot more progressive for the most part

[02:30:10] For the most part. Yeah, so um, yeah, it's the right leaning christian group that is in the united states

[02:30:17] That is that that is the biggest problem. Yeah

[02:30:19] Anyway, do you have anything else to add today or I couldn't possibly

[02:30:24] Sorry, I know I went off on a little bit of a tangent there. I think we both did yeah, I just I

[02:30:29] This this angry god makes me angry. Yeah, I don't know how to say it because it's not it's not justified

[02:30:36] and people justify it and

[02:30:39] That's part of the problem. It's not just that this god

[02:30:43] feels like his anger is justifiable and that his um

[02:30:48] actions based on that anger are justifiable it's that people today justify it and use that same

[02:30:55] argument against other people and it's not okay 100%

[02:31:00] Um, so anyway, that was today. It was uh, azekiel chapter five sure as fuck was and today's friday

[02:31:06] So that means that tomorrow we will be back with qna

[02:31:10] Saturday and then I think we're well overdue for a patreon episode

[02:31:16] So probably be getting into that

[02:31:19] Um, and then I'll get the weekly wrap up out and then we'll be back on monday with azekiel chapter six

[02:31:26] All right. We'll see you guys then

[02:31:31] And wave guess what today is well, it's a little late in the day

[02:31:39] But today is saturday which means that we are doing our qna

[02:31:45] Saturday that's right and uh, what do you got for us on the qna today? Well, we didn't have any like

[02:31:52] specific specific questions

[02:31:54] But we were kind of curious about around what time period was the book of azekiel written

[02:31:59] Yes, I am definitely curious about that. Um, then we were also curious about golems

[02:32:05] Which we have discussed before we have but I think it was a patreon

[02:32:09] It was a patreon episode. So we're gonna get into that a little bit today

[02:32:13] All right, and then also I had

[02:32:16] Come across some interesting things about

[02:32:19] The four faces of god

[02:32:21] Okay, and I feel like that will be interesting

[02:32:26] Does this relate to the four headed angel thing? Yes. Okay. Yes it does. All right

[02:32:31] So are you ready to go to get on into this then? I am all right. Let's do it. Okey-dokey

[02:32:36] All right, let's get into this qna

[02:32:49] Saturday and talk about some shit about azekiel sounds good to me. Are you excited? I am excited

[02:32:55] I can tell

[02:32:58] So we had a question about when the fuck this book was actually written

[02:33:02] Yes, I am very interested in that because it matters as to how this all relates to everything that we're talking about

[02:33:07] So yeah, I am very curious about this. So the book itself indicates that the prophecies of azekiel occurred from about

[02:33:16] 593 to 571 bce

[02:33:20] Right, which sounds like bullshit to me, right?

[02:33:23] Now there are a minority of scholars who have argued that the book was written during

[02:33:29] Widely divergent periods

[02:33:32] Such as in the seventh century and even as late as the second century bce

[02:33:38] Okay, so okay. So bits of it were written

[02:33:42] Well, they were all

[02:33:43] Okay, so the bits of it were written in the right possible time frame

[02:33:46] But much of it was probably written in the the latter years added added to it, right? Right

[02:33:51] But most scholars

[02:33:53] Except that the main body of the book came from the sixth century bce

[02:33:59] Which would have been the exact right time period. Okay with the inclusion of some later

[02:34:05] additions and subtractions by redactors who remained loyal to the theological traditions of their master teacher

[02:34:13] Okay, so I'm it concerns me that well

[02:34:18] Look, I don't believe in prophecy, right? Me neither. I would like to I mean

[02:34:24] I don't know. I I have to believe that the the exactness of the prophecies came at a later date, right?

[02:34:30] Because it just is too

[02:34:33] Is too correct to to sit correct to sit well with me

[02:34:37] Like what I think is that he probably wrote about things that were happening as they happened

[02:34:42] and then passed it on to his students followers, whatever at the lights and they

[02:34:49] added to it through the years

[02:34:53] and went back and

[02:34:55] Made it seem more prophetic than it actually was at the time. Yeah, I honestly think that dude had some sort of fever dream

[02:35:02] And that's where like he wrote that down, you know, like the fucking angel foreheaded angel with wheels in the sky

[02:35:07] yeah, and and all that crap and then

[02:35:11] His followers probably were like well, we could turn like it probably happened soon enough before the

[02:35:16] Fall of Jerusalem that they were like well, we could turn this into a prophecy

[02:35:20] Right because it's so weird why not make it a magical who we think sure sure

[02:35:26] And there may there may have even been some things like brewing with regard to shit happening too, which might have like

[02:35:33] Made him say some things that were like somewhat prophetic

[02:35:35] That's what I mean like I think that he probably wrote some of it as it was happening or was able to

[02:35:41] see some of the politics unfolding just like Jeremiah did

[02:35:45] And be able to kind of see the writing on the wall in some of the stuff

[02:35:50] But like as far as the exactness I'm positive that had to have been written later because much like you I do not believe in prophecy

[02:35:58] Right, so I'm sure you did a lot of research into this and you couldn't find any like solid information about when things were exactly written

[02:36:04] Everything that I just told you is what I found

[02:36:08] Got it. That's a little disappointing. Yeah, but I'm gonna go with my gut here and say prophecies aren't real

[02:36:12] Oh same

[02:36:14] I mean, I like the minority

[02:36:17] Of the scholars say that

[02:36:19] Not it was started early on during his when he lived and then it was you know added to and finished up

[02:36:27] As late as the second century bce got it like that makes the most sense to me

[02:36:31] It really does. Yeah, so I'm gonna go with that

[02:36:33] And say that the majority of the scholars who say no it was written during that that time period

[02:36:39] I'm gonna be like no no you guys must

[02:36:42] Secretly something was written during that time period and then it got added on to yeah, so I'm like I guess most scholars are

[02:36:49] Believers in magic then and that's not to me weird. You do a lot of your research with

[02:36:54] Apologists, I mean not always but like sometimes so I do my research to include

[02:37:01] Apologists perspectives to know what to look for sure when I'm looking for facts because I don't

[02:37:08] Know what I'm refuting until I see what they're saying and that's how I build my questions. Got it. So it's not that I'm using them

[02:37:17] For research and reference

[02:37:19] I'm using them as a starting point of what I'm gonna bounce ideas off of okay, if that makes sense

[02:37:25] Yeah, yeah, no, I just I knew they were in the mix there somewhere

[02:37:27] They are sure but no where I got this from was the fact-based stuff that I researched

[02:37:33] Okay, so that was not Apologists so we just don't we simply don't know the exact answer

[02:37:37] We simply don't know um that minority and majority of scholars

[02:37:42] That is

[02:37:44] What's out there? That's the information available to us at this time got it got it. Okay, so the next topic was golems

[02:37:51] Now we did a patreon episode over this and uh that came out on september 10th

[02:37:59] The teaser is available in our regular feed if you wanted to go back and

[02:38:04] You know just listen to that to get a feel for it

[02:38:06] Yeah, of course the full episode is still available on our patreon too. So yep

[02:38:10] So if you wanted to get the full dive of that, um, it was a really good episode

[02:38:15] Yeah, I do remember enjoying it very much so

[02:38:19] Boy, I think when we did it we had just recently watched a a movie or something about a golem

[02:38:24] Yes, yes, that's right. And that's why my thoughts went to golem because in that that show there was something about a scroll in their mouth

[02:38:31] Yeah, so like that's that's where my thoughts went to because of that

[02:38:36] Yeah, so um highly recommend that if you're on patreon to go listen to that episode

[02:38:40] If you haven't already or if you don't remember and if you're not on patreon

[02:38:44] Maybe consider doing the trial. Yeah, and yeah, there's a free trial

[02:38:49] You know binge a bunch of our patreon episodes including the one on golems

[02:38:53] Yeah, okay. So this won't be as in depth. I'm just kind of going over a little bit like glossing it

[02:39:00] Okay, so a golem is an animated anthropomorphic being

[02:39:06] In jewish folklore, which is created entirely from inanimate matter

[02:39:11] Usually clay or mud right? Okay

[02:39:14] Um, typically the word connotes the unfinished human being before god's eyes

[02:39:21] So unfinished. Um, it can also be my light form

[02:39:26] raw material

[02:39:28] embryonic or incomplete substance

[02:39:31] Okay

[02:39:32] unsophisticated

[02:39:34] And in modern hebu the word golem is used to mean dumb helpless or pupa meaning unfinished

[02:39:41] Got it. Um someone who is lethargic or in a stupor

[02:39:46] And similarly it is often used today as a metaphor for a mindless

[02:39:51] Lunk, which I just I need to call people that yeah, you're a mindless lunk. You damn golem

[02:39:56] Yeah, or other entity that serves a man under controlled conditions

[02:40:01] But is hostile to him in other circumstances. Okay, we talked a little bit more about that

[02:40:07] um in the patreon episode got it, um where

[02:40:12] Um, there's there's a little bit of a milia bedelia stupidity

[02:40:17] Compliance

[02:40:19] Careful what you wish for and that kind of thing sure that happens with with golems. You know you have to

[02:40:26] Word it very carefully etc. Etc. Understood. Yeah, and the epigies of jewish folklore were brought to life

[02:40:32] By means of a charm or of a combination of letters forming a sacred word

[02:40:38] Or one of the names of god

[02:40:40] The letters written on paper were either placed in the golem's mouth

[02:40:44] Or fixed to its head and there you go. Yeah, and that's why that's why I thought golem when zikil fucking ate god's words

[02:40:52] Yeah, yeah on a scroll and then the letters removal deanimates the golem

[02:40:57] Right, so all we had to do was find zikil and take the word back out of his mouth

[02:41:03] And then that would be the end of that. Yeah

[02:41:06] So I I don't know that that ever happened. Unfortunately. I just got I mean I have to wonder if that's some sort of a reference to

[02:41:14] you know part like

[02:41:15] That that's very much part of jewish lore

[02:41:19] So like that is a weird way to phrase something with regard to taking a

[02:41:25] Um an order from god if you're not choosing to invoke that symbol that symbolism. Yeah, right, you know

[02:41:31] So it's just I mean

[02:41:33] We're gonna come across this whole

[02:41:36] Um eating the word of god and the four faced angel

[02:41:41] Beings with many eyes things

[02:41:44] Again in the book of revelation. So sure

[02:41:47] Just so you know

[02:41:49] This is a thing that we'll see again, right and we'll be just as curious at that point

[02:41:54] If not more so because it never gets cleared up

[02:41:57] Right. Well, I mean at that point you've got you know christianity

[02:42:01] Kind of counter to the whole ideal ideology of judaism

[02:42:05] So, you know, they're not necessarily gonna believe that the eating of the words means the same thing that the jewish people think right

[02:42:12] so it's

[02:42:13] And that's what's making our research at this point. I should say my research at this point a little more difficult because

[02:42:22] We've reached the part of the bible the we we've reached the part of the old testament

[02:42:27] That has been borrowed from stolen and usurped

[02:42:31] By the christian side the the new testament heavily yeah, so I have to dig further to get past

[02:42:39] What the christians are saying about this stuff? Yeah, and i'm like that's cute that you're saying that but that's not

[02:42:47] What we're here to talk about

[02:42:49] And we are and we aren't right, I mean, you know in some ways. Yes because that's why we're reading the bible

[02:42:55] But in other ways, but we're not there at that part of the story

[02:42:58] Right. We still want to understand the origins of this belief from the perspective of the people that believed it at the time

[02:43:05] Right and it's hard to do that through the filter of christianity. Yeah, like I'm trying to learn about judaism right now

[02:43:11] Thank you. Can you we'll get to you christians christians just step off for a minute

[02:43:15] Yeah, and it makes research very frustrating

[02:43:19] Like i'm trying to learn about what the jewish people thought of this stuff not you

[02:43:24] right so

[02:43:26] So let's talk about some examples of

[02:43:31] Golems throughout history because

[02:43:33] The jewish people were not the only ones like they didn't have

[02:43:37] The end all be all of the goal in life. Okay, okay

[02:43:41] So the creation of life from clay is a birth theme that appears throughout the world

[02:43:46] Throughout world religions and mythologies

[02:43:49] It can also be seen as one of the gods who craft humans out of early materials

[02:43:55] So the word golem occurs only once in the bible

[02:43:59] In psalm 139 verse 16 your eyes saw my

[02:44:04] Unformed body all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be

[02:44:11] Okay, okay, and then

[02:44:14] If you read genesis

[02:44:16] Chapter two verse seven

[02:44:18] Yeah, then the lord formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils

[02:44:23] The breath of life and the man became a living being sure that's like the sole definition of a golem

[02:44:28] So there it is. Yep now the karan states

[02:44:32] We did create from a quintessence of

[02:44:36] Man we did create from a quintessence of clay

[02:44:39] Okay, so very similar. Well, yeah, I mean the the karan is based off

[02:44:44] It's yes. It's all the same guy. They all come from the same place. Right. Yeah

[02:44:48] So the epic of gilgamesh, which you know the bible steals from

[02:44:54] A lot. Yeah, um states that the goddess our

[02:45:00] Created humans out of clay. Okay, so that's interesting the samaritan myth of anki and ninma

[02:45:08] States that humans were fashioned from clay to serve the gods

[02:45:11] Okay, the Babylonian epic of atrosis

[02:45:16] States that humans were created by nin too

[02:45:20] From mixing clay with the blood of a sacrificed god

[02:45:24] I would love to get some blood of a sacrificed god up in here. Yeah, that would be epic. Yeah

[02:45:31] Okay, the Egyptian god

[02:45:32] Knum is said to create human children from clay before placing them into their mother's womb

[02:45:39] Isn't that cute? That's cute in greek mythology

[02:45:43] Prometheus, he's the guy that stole fire from the gods and gave it to humans because he liked us for some reason, right?

[02:45:48] He molded men out of water and earth

[02:45:52] Okay, and then also in greek mythology prometheus molds a clay statue of athena

[02:45:58] The goddess of wisdom

[02:46:01] And then pandora one more time from greek mythology was fashioned from clay. Got it

[02:46:07] Yeah

[02:46:08] In zero astrian mythology, which was that one that we learned about just recently that that was Babylonian area

[02:46:16] Mesopotamia stuff. Yeah

[02:46:18] um first the primordial ox

[02:46:22] gava

[02:46:23] Vedada

[02:46:24] And subsequently the primordial human

[02:46:28] Gaia mort

[02:46:29] Are created from mud by the supreme deity ahora mazda. Okay. Okay. Yeah

[02:46:36] We have a mazda. We do have a mazda

[02:46:38] Yeah, we do it's a good little car. It is it is

[02:46:42] Okay, so now we're gonna get into some asian stuff. Okay. Yeah according to chinese mythology

[02:46:47] Nu wa molded figures from the yellow earth giving them life and the ability to bear children

[02:46:54] Okay in the korean sangh gu t narrative humans are created from red clay

[02:46:59] Okay in vietnamese mythology the ngaak

[02:47:03] Hong and the 12 ba

[02:47:07] my

[02:47:08] Created people from clay. Okay

[02:47:10] I'm sure I fuck all of these up

[02:47:13] I'm doing my darnedest though. I have a good heart. I mean well

[02:47:18] central agent

[02:47:19] Central asian mythology including altheic and mongolian have stories about how the god olgen created the first man

[02:47:27] Erlich from clay floating on the surface of water

[02:47:32] Ah, okay. So not just like clay but like scum and clay right you pun scum

[02:47:38] Now according to hindu mythology parvati the mother of ganesh

[02:47:43] Created her son from clay and turned the clay into flesh and blood. Okay cute

[02:47:49] Several african cultures hold that the human race was free created from clay

[02:47:54] Some stories include clay and skin or clay and wood

[02:47:58] But they're all clay got it and then in the hawaiian tradition

[02:48:02] The first man was composed of muddy water. Okay, but not the scum

[02:48:09] The maori people believe that tanae

[02:48:13] Mahura god of the forest created the first woman out of clay and breathed life into her

[02:48:19] according to north's north legend

[02:48:22] The god thore, you know god of thunder. Yeah, not the hot guy in the mcu

[02:48:29] But I mean, you know, you know, right that guy encounters a giant who was made from clay

[02:48:34] Okay, so that's cool

[02:48:36] Yeah

[02:48:36] and according to the beliefs of some indigenous americans the earth maker

[02:48:41] formed the figure of many men and women which he dried in the sun and into which he breathed life

[02:48:48] I see so

[02:48:50] Every culture on the planet pretty much has a creation story for man that involves them being made out of

[02:48:57] The earth early primitive humans are like, look I can mold stuff with this. Oh, I bet that's how god did it

[02:49:03] Yeah, yeah, cool. I mean call me shocked right exactly

[02:49:08] So we have some modern day

[02:49:11] Artifices that are often referred to as

[02:49:16] Golems in a different sense. Okay, like artificial intelligence or robots or you know anything like that. Sure

[02:49:25] Similarly

[02:49:27] Pinocchio sure and

[02:49:29] zombies, okay, all right and

[02:49:33] Of course frankenstein's monster

[02:49:36] The subtitle to that book is or the modern prometheus. Oh, you know, okay, so right there we go direct reference. Yeah

[02:49:44] Yeah, so that is all I had to say about golems. Okay, okay

[02:49:49] Like I said for a more in-depth look at them visit that patreon episode right

[02:49:54] But i'm just happy that you know they eat scrolls and i'm like yeah, that happened

[02:49:59] They do look how it happened in the the things. Yeah, and i'm like that's cool

[02:50:03] Yep, and it's gonna happen again

[02:50:05] But I literally I asked every question I could think of I could not find

[02:50:10] Any reference to a zekiel being referred to as a golem. So once again, you heard it here first

[02:50:17] Yeah, we came up

[02:50:18] I say we but really it was husband came up with this nifty idea that

[02:50:23] Nobody else apparently has talked about on the webs. Well, I mean it doesn't necessarily make it true

[02:50:29] It's just I mean it's an interesting notion though

[02:50:31] I don't think there's any way to tell what is

[02:50:34] Actually true about what they were writing about because it was written so long ago and interpreted

[02:50:39] So many different ways that the original meaning has probably been lost, you know millennia ago. Oh sure. So I mean

[02:50:46] I I feel like if I thought it it's a worthwhile thing to think maybe yeah, sure at least to pursue slightly

[02:50:52] Yeah, i'm not saying that you know what you said is true or not true

[02:50:56] I'm just saying it's interesting that I can't find anybody else having thought the same thing

[02:51:00] Sure, sure

[02:51:01] That's the interesting thing to me because what you said is like so obvious and retrospect

[02:51:07] Right. Yeah, I'm you know, I'm like why didn't I think of that?

[02:51:12] So let's talk about the four faces of god, okay

[02:51:15] Okay, and the reason that I'm referring to it that way rather than as

[02:51:20] The angels who had four different faces or whatever those winged beings were that azekiel

[02:51:28] claims to have seen right. Yeah

[02:51:30] um is because

[02:51:32] Later on in the book of revelation

[02:51:35] Um, we're gonna come back to this same vision that somebody else has I think some guy named john maybe sure

[02:51:42] But again, this is completely separate from this is old testament versus new testament. Yes, so

[02:51:49] um

[02:51:51] But they're referred to as the four faces of god sure also because in

[02:51:56] uh genesis and the early

[02:51:58] And I should have uh cited this and I didn't because it just occurred to me in the early chapters of genesis

[02:52:05] God is referred to as having two faces. I don't know if you're yeah, I remember that. Yeah, so that's why

[02:52:11] Everybody just calls it the four faces of god. Okay. All right, so

[02:52:15] um specifically what we're referring to is azekiel

[02:52:19] chapter one verse 10

[02:52:21] Okay

[02:52:22] Their faces looked like this

[02:52:24] Each of the four had the face of a human being and on the right side

[02:52:28] Each had the face of a lion and on the left side the face of an ox

[02:52:33] Each also had the face of an eagle

[02:52:36] Okay, okay

[02:52:37] So according to the book of numbers

[02:52:39] The encampment of israel were divided into four divisions

[02:52:43] Under their banner around the tabernacle. Okay. Do you remember that's when um,

[02:52:48] Moses was like telling everybody to line up and get in their different little camps or whatever

[02:52:53] Yeah, the divisions likely refer to an insignia perhaps comparable to a family crest

[02:53:00] unique to each tribe

[02:53:02] Since moses characterizes each tribe in a particular fashion

[02:53:07] In deuteronomy chapter 33

[02:53:09] It is likely that certain symbols were associated with each individual group. Okay

[02:53:15] As the israelites were commanded to encamp each by his own standard with the ensign of their father's house

[02:53:23] Like do you remember all of that like he's telling them line up by your father? Yeah, right?

[02:53:27] The direction has been considered as implying that they'd

[02:53:30] Uh possessed three varieties

[02:53:32] So three different flags like kind of like how here in america will have

[02:53:37] At the top of the flagpole is always the american flag

[02:53:40] Next might come the state flag and then would come like a college flag or whatever the fuck ever or whatever crazy conspiracy theory

[02:53:46] Right like whatever interesting thing, but you always have the american flag and the state flag sure and then all the other things

[02:53:53] Yep, yep

[02:53:54] So that's that's what i'm referring to here when it's they had they possessed three varieties. Okay

[02:54:00] It would number one be the great tribal standards

[02:54:03] Which served as rallying points for the 12 large clans of the people

[02:54:08] And then number two would be the standards of the subdivided portions

[02:54:13] And then three would be those of families or houses got it. Okay, so they had those similar to ours today. Yeah

[02:54:20] Now interestingly enough the four divisions and their totemic symbols are the following

[02:54:28] ruben was standing to the south and

[02:54:32] um

[02:54:33] his flag

[02:54:35] Or according to uh genesis chapter 29 verse 32

[02:54:40] Leah became pregnant and gave birth to a son. She named him ruben and the name ruben literally means behold a son

[02:54:48] Got it. So

[02:54:49] um, he was on the south and that would line up with uh, the the face

[02:54:56] Facing you of the foreface thing

[02:54:59] Was man. Okay. All right, so

[02:55:02] juda was on the east and um

[02:55:07] in genesis 49

[02:55:09] Verse nine jacob says you are a lions cub juda

[02:55:14] You return from the pray my son like a lion. He crouches and lies down like a lioness who dares to rouse him

[02:55:21] and

[02:55:22] So that would put um

[02:55:24] Him on the east which lines up with the lion on the the angel thing. Okay, and then

[02:55:31] Um for ephraim we've got genesis 33 chapter. I'm sorry chapter 33 verse 17

[02:55:38] Moses says about joseph

[02:55:40] In majesty. He is like a firstborn bull his horns are

[02:55:45] The horns of a wild ox with them

[02:55:47] He will gore the nations even those at the ends of the earth

[02:55:51] Such are the 10 thousands of ephraim such are the thousands of manassah. Hmm. Okay, so that's interesting

[02:55:58] We've got those right this one's a bit of a stretch and I I couldn't really

[02:56:03] Make it work make

[02:56:05] Yes, and no. Okay. Yeah, so dan on the north. Okay. Yeah, we've got genesis chapter 49 verse 17

[02:56:15] Jacob says dan will be a snake by the roadside a viper along the path

[02:56:21] That bites the heel the horses heel so that its rider tumbles backward now. That's a snake

[02:56:27] What we're missing is the eagle

[02:56:30] Now the flying eagle holding a serpent was their

[02:56:36] Flag and then later on

[02:56:38] Um tradition Jewish tradition says that the emblem of dan was changed from a snake to a flying eagle

[02:56:46] Which that matters because

[02:56:49] Um, it's referred to that way in

[02:56:53] The book of revelation got it vision. Okay, so

[02:56:57] Is it doesn't match does it not match? Hypothetically

[02:57:01] These four faces are to line up with the israelite the four main house protectors basically

[02:57:07] The way they were facing for protection and all that. Yeah, and the four main houses of israel

[02:57:11] Yeah, so the concept of the encampment of israel around the tabernacle parallels the four living creatures around the throne

[02:57:20] So now this is interesting to me a little bit because um at the time

[02:57:26] Hypothetically of this being written

[02:57:28] You know the other tribes of israel were not necessarily still present right in the same form that they were right, you know like maybe

[02:57:37] I don't I don't know how they felt about them, but definitely jude had been the one that was taking over so

[02:57:44] Yeah, I don't know again. This this is all just interesting stuff. I found like, huh

[02:57:49] That's neat. I'm not saying that any of this is actually true or that that's what they were thinking

[02:57:55] I just thought it was an interesting theory out there that I couldn't not mention

[02:58:01] Since somebody had gone to the trouble of finding these verses and lining them up for sure

[02:58:05] And and I did check to make sure that the verses

[02:58:08] Actually were what they were and not just like somebody telling you that because I I don't know the verses well enough to

[02:58:16] You know, just take them at the word. Yeah, so we have not memorized the bible

[02:58:20] No, no, so I did actually look them up fyi. Okay

[02:58:24] So I went ahead and brought in

[02:58:28] Just for future reference so that we can be on the look out

[02:58:32] The verse referred to

[02:58:36] In the book of revelation. Okay, that also has this same vision. Okay. Yeah, it's revelation

[02:58:42] Chapter four verses six b through seven. Okay. Okay. So the second half of verse six

[02:58:48] Okay, in the center around the throne were four living creatures and they were covered with eyes in front and in back

[02:58:55] The first living creature was like a lion. The second was like an ox

[02:59:00] The third had a face like a man. The fourth was like a flying eagle. Okay, so sure

[02:59:07] There it is. Yeah, okay

[02:59:09] So this like I said, we'll come back but not because he had the same visions probably so much as that

[02:59:17] The entire book was like, let's see what we can steal from all of those prophets that were you know,

[02:59:22] Yeah, the important Jewish people, right, right? Yeah

[02:59:26] So that's all I have for today's q&a. Okay. I did you did mention something to me here earlier today that

[02:59:34] Um, we're looking to do a patreon episode tomorrow. Mm-hmm. So um, you mentioned what what are we thinking about doing a patreon on?

[02:59:41] Um, I think we're going to talk about angels. Okay, because that was going to be part of my q&a

[02:59:47] Like what the fuck are these angelic things and you know, cherubim seraphim? What the fuck? Yeah

[02:59:53] But it's too big of a subject to just be part of the q&a. Sure. It's a it's a whole episode

[03:00:01] It's a whole episode

[03:00:01] So if you were thinking about signing up for that trial membership of uh, you know of our patreon

[03:00:06] Maybe wait till tomorrow. Well, you know, that'll still be good tomorrow. Yeah, so you started today

[03:00:10] Yeah, and then you can get the the golem episode and hear what we have to say about angels. Yeah. Yeah, I get the whole thing

[03:00:17] So all right. Well, that sounds great. Um, I'm looking forward to hearing about angels tomorrow and uh

[03:00:24] After we get that done I'll get the weekly wrap up out and then we'll be back on monday with

[03:00:29] Ezekiel or easy kyla as I like to say chapter six. All right. We'll see you then

[03:00:35] Bye

[03:00:41] Husband wife, do you know what today is today is sunday which means that we are doing our

[03:00:50] That's right. And what are we doing our patreon episode on today?

[03:00:55] Well, we're gonna start out talking about angels

[03:00:58] But then in a section i'm calling fuck angels though

[03:01:03] We're gonna talk about lemasu

[03:01:06] Okay, I don't i'm not familiar with that. No, you're not. I wasn't either. It's fun. You're gonna be very happy

[03:01:13] Okay, well, um because fuck angels

[03:01:15] Oh got it. Yeah

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[03:01:53] But it does let you listen to other stuff that you know, yeah my night heroes were for sure. Yeah

[03:01:59] Um and with that being said, are you ready to get into this episode? Yes because fuck angels. Let's do this

[03:02:17] All right, so

[03:02:18] This is our patreon episode

[03:02:20] And we are gonna talk about angels and then we're gonna say fuck angels though. Fuck angels

[03:02:25] But before we can fuck the angels

[03:02:28] I don't think we're gonna be fucking the angels. We gotta say saying we fuck angels

[03:02:32] We gotta talk about what they are. Okay before we can fuck them

[03:02:36] Okay, okay, sure say fuck them right or fuck them whatever, you know, whichever

[03:02:40] Okay, so in the Abrahamic religious traditions, which are Judaism Christianity and Islam, right an angel is a heavenly

[03:02:49] supernatural or spiritual being usually under service of a supreme deity

[03:02:56] Aka god, right? Okay. That's your very generic. What's an angel sure? Okay?

[03:03:00] Yep

[03:03:01] The idea is the idea of angels in early Hebrew scripture as supernatural agents

[03:03:08] Is absent

[03:03:10] Okay, is it?

[03:03:12] Yeah, really not really there a lot

[03:03:14] Well, I mean like I only say is it because like in

[03:03:17] Balem's case when the angel of god came down to

[03:03:20] Block his path and things like that

[03:03:22] It feels like there might be some reference to angels and cherubim

[03:03:25] And they left the cherubim outside the garden of Eden too

[03:03:29] Right, right. So it feels like it's there but maybe not in as much

[03:03:32] Much not as much as in like the New Testament maybe that and

[03:03:37] What they're talking about I believe is more the history stuff. Okay

[03:03:44] You know the kings and chronicles and things like that. Sure. We don't see a lot of angel activity

[03:03:50] It's more like humans suck. They suck so hard. They are doing all the bad

[03:03:54] It's true. Oh, well also one of my favorite stories was when the

[03:03:57] The angels came down and fucked the giants and then created the nephilim

[03:04:02] Or whatever. No, no wait, they didn't fuck the giants. They fucked humans

[03:04:04] But then that created the nephilim which were the giants. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, those are the best

[03:04:11] Instead what we typically saw was the Hebrew deity intervene in human affairs

[03:04:17] Mostly by means of punishment

[03:04:19] Right, which we've commented on how much everything was like

[03:04:22] I will let you see me only to the extent that i'm here to kill all of you. Right, right

[03:04:29] But only later in post-exilic and prophetic writings is the biblical deity conceptualized as distant and more merciful

[03:04:39] His interventions were placed by the idea of angels

[03:04:43] Got it. Got it. So like some of the angel-y stuff that we see

[03:04:49] Yeah, what's went back and added and like

[03:04:52] Built up a little bit more. Okay. Okay. Yeah

[03:04:54] So even so such angels still carry out the gruesome attributes of god and can be both benevolent

[03:05:02] Im malevolent

[03:05:03] So good and bad, you know, sure because just like god right like willy-nilly

[03:05:08] You say god leans more towards the bad side. Sure. Sure. Sure. I really agree

[03:05:12] As do the angels that I've seen thus far

[03:05:15] It's not their fault. They're created by god. They are just an extension of him, right? Basically

[03:05:21] Okay

[03:05:21] So they got to do god's will okay because they basically are just pieces little glittery pieces of him floating around

[03:05:28] Sure. Okay. Okay in Judaism angels are understood as supernatural beings who stand by god in heaven

[03:05:36] Okay, all right. They are strictly to be distinguished from god and are subordinate to him. Got it that kind of goes against what I

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