Bible Study by Atheists: Ezekiel Chapters 16 - 20 plus Q&A

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[00:01:47] Do you remember what happened last week and where the hell we are today?

[00:01:55] Well, the last time we did an episode we were in Ezekiel chapter 15

[00:01:59] Sure as fuck were and in that episode God was talking about

[00:02:04] Vines and they're worthless and their worthlessness. Yeah, it was it was kind of I don't know

[00:02:10] I wasn't real happy with I mean like I like vines vines are fun fucking vines

[00:02:14] Yeah, I was thinking about it afterwards, you know, there are some good applications for vines

[00:02:18] You could like use them to weave, you know baskets or there's things you could do with them

[00:02:22] But God was apparently according to Ezekiel

[00:02:26] comparing vines to you know like the

[00:02:30] Ability for them to not have any purpose. Yeah, I don't know. I lost my thread of

[00:02:38] Yeah, they don't well

[00:02:39] No, they said they burn they burn just fine

[00:02:41] But you can't they don't you they can't make pigs out of them

[00:02:44] You can't you know use them to build buildings and stuff like that so there were they're worthless

[00:02:47] But then God's gonna like destroy

[00:02:50] The people just like the vines and in their worthlessness and they're gonna make them even more worthless

[00:02:56] Hmm, and I thought that was a really shitty way to

[00:02:59] Talk about your people that you like and stuff. So ashes are awesome. Sure. Yeah

[00:03:04] So anyway, that was Ezekiel chapter 15

[00:03:06] It was which means that today we're getting into is Ezekiel chapter 16. All right, let's do this Okie-dokie

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[00:04:56] All right, here we are hop it into Ezekiel chapter 16

[00:05:02] Okay, and this is the longest chapter of Ezekiel fun

[00:05:08] So I wanted to give some notes beforehand

[00:05:10] Okay, all right this chapter has been referred to as an Old Testament parable of the prodigal daughter

[00:05:18] Okay, as it illustrates an ungrateful Jerusalem in contrast to God's enduring love

[00:05:26] It's all sorry. I'm sorry and during that's that's he's fucked as a fucked up way to describe this because

[00:05:32] Much no

[00:05:35] Forever not at all. Yeah. No

[00:05:37] This chapter is often linked to Ezekiel 23 which we're not that yet

[00:05:42] But that chapter also deals with two daughters

[00:05:46] Symbolizing the kingdoms of Israel and Judah. Okay, yeah

[00:05:50] And as I said this is the longest chapter in Ezekiel and the story deals with Israel

[00:05:56] Sorted loathsome character so that God's infinite

[00:06:00] Abhorrence of her sin may be clearly seen he's gonna trash them

[00:06:06] Okay, yeah and more so than usual. Yes, okay, listen to this

[00:06:10] It's so bad that according to one rabbi in the Mishnah

[00:06:15] The chapter is not to be read nor translated in public. Wow. It's dirty Wow dirty AF

[00:06:23] That's that's exciting. That's why I like that. That's why I think you're probably gonna love

[00:06:29] Okay, yeah, so we're gonna talk now about how much Jerusalem is a dirty whore. Sure. Yeah, sounds great

[00:06:36] All right now that I've set the stage

[00:06:38] Hey chapter 16 the word of the Lord came to me did it again as it does. Yeah, son of man

[00:06:46] Yeah, mere human your worm

[00:06:49] Jerusalem with her detestable practices and say

[00:06:53] This is what the sovereign Lord says to Jerusalem your ancestry and birth were in the land of the Canaanites

[00:07:01] Your father was an amorite and your mother a hit tight

[00:07:06] This is this reminds me of what is your eye and your

[00:07:10] Your this reminds me of that taunting session in Monty Python. Yes, your mother smelled of elderberries or whatever the hell it

[00:07:17] You know that oh gee yo mama joke that is hilarious

[00:07:21] Yes, on the day you were born your cord was not cut nor were you washed with water to make you clean

[00:07:29] Nor were you rubbed with salt or wrapped in cloths

[00:07:34] No one looked on you with pity or had compassion enough to do any of these things for you

[00:07:39] Rather you were thrown out into the open field for on the day you were born. You were despised

[00:07:45] So wait a second God is responsible for all of humanity, right?

[00:07:50] Mm-hmm, and he's saying that the day they were born which he's I mean he's referring to Jerusalem, right as a whole kind of yeah

[00:07:57] But these are his people

[00:07:59] He's saying he's saying that from the day they were born. They were despised. Yeah, but he hasn't he has

[00:08:06] Complete contempt for this group of people. Yeah, even though they are his chosen people, right?

[00:08:12] That's just crazy. Yeah, basically what he's saying is that this ancient nation began life as a

[00:08:20] hated mix a hated people of mixed blood and mixed culture and it was like an

[00:08:26] Unwanted baby girl thrown out at birth and left to die

[00:08:30] Jesus that's but we've talked about this before too like the whole story of Moses and everything

[00:08:36] That probably never happened right like they were actually

[00:08:41] Probably just descendants of Canaanites and then Amorites and the whole nine yards, right?

[00:08:45] And this is kind of touching on that actually like yes, that is what they are

[00:08:49] They are descendants of Canaanites and Amorites and the whole nine yards. Yeah, so

[00:08:54] Like he's like you're nasty fucks, but who cares right right?

[00:09:00] Like I mean if you want them to be better teach them to be better if you you're a fucking God do do fucking God shit

[00:09:06] You know like be a God

[00:09:07] So he carries on he says then I passed by and saw you kicking about in your blood

[00:09:13] And as you lay there in your blood I said to you live

[00:09:17] I made you grow like a plant of the field you grew and developed an entered puberty

[00:09:24] Your breasts had formed and your hair had grown yet. You were stark naked

[00:09:30] Okay, later

[00:09:31] I passed by and when I looked at so he admits that he left her yeah, right

[00:09:36] Well after two left a naked chick. He wasn't there when they were born apparently

[00:09:40] He's not there later like he's not paying much fucking attention apparently walking the earth doing his god thing of ignoring everything

[00:09:46] Yeah, yeah later I passed by and when I looked at you and I saw that you were old enough for love

[00:09:51] I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your naked body

[00:09:56] I gave you my solemn oath and entered into a covenant with you declares the sovereign Lord and you became mine. I

[00:10:05] Baved you with water and washed the blood from you and put ointments on you

[00:10:10] I clothed you with an embroidered dress and put sandals of fine leather on you

[00:10:16] I dressed you in fine linen and covered you with costly garments. Okay, late to me. It's like thank you

[00:10:24] I'm not sure I asked for all that shit, but okay, right?

[00:10:27] I mean I guess

[00:10:29] He's he's saying that at some point he tried to take the reins and teach them

[00:10:33] Like I'm giving you the tools to be better or something like that, right?

[00:10:37] I waited until you were an adult to step in. I guess yeah

[00:10:40] But it to me smacks a lot of what the whole Jesus thing is like I died for your sins like dude cool

[00:10:47] I guess but I didn't ask for all that right. I'm just over here trying to live

[00:10:52] Yeah, like no no need to step in please unless it's you know for good

[00:10:57] Yeah, do some good. Let's see you do good, right? I

[00:11:01] Adorned you with jewelry

[00:11:02] I put bracelets on your arms and a necklace around your neck and I put a ring on your nose

[00:11:08] Earrings on your ears and a beautiful crown on your head

[00:11:11] So you were adorned with gold and silver, you know material things. Yeah, right?

[00:11:16] I decorated you and made you pretty in

[00:11:20] Material thing because you weren't perfect the way I made you right according to God. Yeah, right here

[00:11:25] Yeah, yeah, like you weren't ugly piece of shit. Yeah, and I had to make you pretty you just weren't good enough

[00:11:30] So yeah, I had to do had to make you better

[00:11:32] Mm-hmm. I guess I had to decorate you with fine pieces of material

[00:11:38] This is insane much for God right God is you know supposed to be able to be this perfect being that can create perfect things

[00:11:45] And so the things that he created were by his own definition not perfect, right?

[00:11:50] And he's having to you know make them better apparently and we're supposed to feel grateful for that at some level

[00:11:57] I guess thank you for putting jewelry on me, so I'm not ugly anymore. I guess right. Yeah

[00:12:01] Like I didn't feel ugly till you told me I was yeah

[00:12:06] Your clothes were a fine linen and costly fabric and embroidered cloth

[00:12:11] Your food was honey olive oil and the finest flower

[00:12:15] You became very beautiful and rose to be a queen I became very beautiful after you decorated me

[00:12:23] Yeah, yeah, thank you for that. Yeah, and your fame spread among the nations on account of your beauty

[00:12:28] Because the splendor I had given you made your beauty perfect declares the sovereign Lord

[00:12:35] Yeah, you were ugly, but then I came along and put a crown on your head. I made you pretty

[00:12:42] Fuck you you arrogant fuck

[00:12:45] But you trusted in your beauty and used your fame to become a prostitute. Oh

[00:12:51] You lavished your favors on anyone who passed by and your beauty became his

[00:12:57] I mean, this is him talking about them worshiping other idols and other gods and yada yada yada

[00:13:02] Yeah, and but again, I'm gonna go back to the things that we've constantly talked about and that's that there is

[00:13:09] No point at which he sends a reliable witness to himself, right?

[00:13:14] He refuses to speak up on his own behalf

[00:13:17] Right, he refuses to teach anyone how to operate himself

[00:13:21] he instead sends unreliable people to teach these things for him and

[00:13:27] Hope that other people take these messages in and accept them

[00:13:33] Moreover on a very

[00:13:36] Esoteric level he slut shaming. Yeah, and I'm like sorry I can worship who I want that that's free will

[00:13:43] I can fuck whom I please that's free will yeah, and yeah if you if you aren't as

[00:13:50] Powerful and as as great as you say you are then there's no reason for us to worship you in the first place

[00:13:56] Mm-hmm

[00:13:56] If you are that great then we would know to worship you I would think and if I want to fuck other people

[00:14:01] I can fuck other people definitely you're not a matter how fucking great you are yeah

[00:14:06] You took some of your garments to make gaudy high places where you carried on your prostitution

[00:14:13] You went to him and he possessed your beauty

[00:14:17] Let me rephrase that for you God

[00:14:19] I fucked and nobody possessed me right because I'm a free agent and I can do what I want and

[00:14:28] Nobody owns me right. I'm no one's possession. Yeah

[00:14:32] You also took the fine jewelry

[00:14:34] I gave you which apparently came with strings attached because you're gonna complain

[00:14:39] I see after this comma about what I did with them. Yeah, I'm sorry

[00:14:44] Did you give them or did you loan them right right the jewelry made of my golden silver?

[00:14:50] Why does God have gold and silver?

[00:14:53] Me

[00:14:54] Don't I don't know I feel like I feel like he's complained about having golden silver as you know things in the past

[00:15:00] So maybe I'm wrong

[00:15:01] But I'm sure we could find a place where he wanted people to get rid of his their golden silver because you know

[00:15:07] It's supposed to be just about him. So it's funny that there are things that he is pushing out there as

[00:15:14] Adornments that are good for his people right which is kind of funny, right

[00:15:20] You made for yourself male idols and engaged in prostitution with them

[00:15:27] Okay, it almost sounds like he's talking about using the gold and silver to make sex toys

[00:15:34] Look sometimes women just need batteries that's all I'm saying there you yeah, right

[00:15:38] And you took your embroidered clothes to put on them and you offered my oil and incense before them

[00:15:45] Why is everything yours yours yours? Yeah, I don't know

[00:15:50] Also the food I provided for you the flour olive oil and honey. I gave you to eat

[00:15:56] You offered as fragrant incense before them

[00:16:00] I yeah

[00:16:02] But again, you know, you didn't really make it clear

[00:16:05] What you were and who you worked these people and they were just worshiping whoever felt like was going to help them out

[00:16:12] So well not only that but it I think it's really silly to say that you gave them the shit that

[00:16:19] Grew in the land right like it grew in the land is why they went there

[00:16:24] Yeah, and moreover they were probably responsible for making those things themselves right grow more abundantly too

[00:16:30] So I mean I feel like that would be kind of a cut on their ability to

[00:16:36] Help themselves, you know

[00:16:38] This is what happened declares the sovereign Lord

[00:16:41] And I took your sons and daughters whom you bore to me and sacrifice them as food to the idols

[00:16:48] Was your prostitution not enough you slaughtered my children and sacrifice them to the idols

[00:16:55] Hmm, and I mean yeah, don't do right right? No. Yeah

[00:16:58] I mean that's the one thing that we have agreed on that was horrible

[00:17:01] Mm-hmm, but it wasn't horrible because it was another religion. It was horrible

[00:17:08] Regardless who was doing it right right and I

[00:17:11] Don't care what religion you are don't sacrifice your children. Yes

[00:17:16] Yeah, I think that we can all agree on that hopefully hopefully

[00:17:20] I mean I know that there are certain sex of

[00:17:24] Christian who like to think that atheists eat babies right here to tell you y'all were eating the babies way more than I ever was

[00:17:32] We don't eat babies. No. No, we don't we don't okay?

[00:17:35] I mean your own God is telling you that y'all eight babies stop it, right?

[00:17:42] You know, yeah, I never did any of that so okay. I win

[00:17:47] In all your detestable practices and your prostitution

[00:17:51] You did not remember the days of your youth when you were naked and bare kicking about in your blood

[00:17:58] Whoa, whoa to you declares the sovereign Lord in addition to all your other wickedness

[00:18:04] You built a mound a mound for yourself and made a lofty shrine in every public square

[00:18:12] I thought that said pubic square

[00:18:17] At every street corner you built your lofty shrines and degraded your beauty

[00:18:24] Spreading your legs with increasing promiscuity to anyone who passed by oh wow

[00:18:30] Yeah, stop spreading your legs. Yeah promiscuity, right? Don't don't do the sex

[00:18:35] Yeah other people only with me, right like gross

[00:18:39] You engaged in prostitution with the Egyptians your neighbors with large genitals

[00:18:46] Rouse my anger with your increasing promiscuity

[00:18:53] In large genitals that's yeah, I mean is that I'm not sure what to say about

[00:18:59] Their neighbors had had large genitals apparently. Yeah. Yeah and God's like don't go fuck people with big dicks

[00:19:06] Right, and I'm like, but I don't believe it was just this this book as he hill where God was flashing his dick to his e-heal like multiple times

[00:19:13] Mm-hmm, so I mean I feel like he's kind of you know in on the whole, you know

[00:19:19] dick thing

[00:19:22] Nothing gives

[00:19:24] Like little dick energy like talking about how other people have right. Yeah, maybe God's insecure, right?

[00:19:30] That that must be what it is. I mean he's specifically calling out

[00:19:35] Egyptians as having large genitals, right? That's weird. Yeah, sorry. That's in the Bible and that's weird. It feels

[00:19:44] it feels

[00:19:46] similar to people

[00:19:49] The day like other cultures they'll say that they have big dicks

[00:19:54] You know, I mean it feels like it's a call

[00:19:57] It's somehow a cut on those other cultures somehow mean it as an insult at the same time that it's

[00:20:04] Recognizing an actually positive trait

[00:20:08] Right, right. I'm like but it's somehow meant as an insult in some degree

[00:20:14] It's supposed to mean like if you guys are known for having big dicks

[00:20:19] Then you're probably closer to animals than humans

[00:20:22] I think is what it's supposed to be right or the sexual promiscuousness of that, you know

[00:20:27] Something along those lines, but it's boiling down to I think and I'm like

[00:20:32] No, right. They're the same as us. They people regardless of the size of their dick get driver's licenses

[00:20:39] Yes, you know can vote and you know correct

[00:20:45] Laces, right?

[00:20:47] I don't know what you're trying to say there, but it's weird. It is weird

[00:20:50] Let's just not talk about people's dicks. Maybe that would be ideal. I think

[00:20:55] Lee, I know I know that I talk about people's dicks

[00:21:00] But to be fair the Bible kind of brings it up a lot, right?

[00:21:03] Like I mean, I'm getting a lot of dick in the Bible

[00:21:06] Yeah, I'm just saying like it it is everywhere

[00:21:08] It is everywhere and now specifically

[00:21:11] Specifically yeah, they're talking about large dicks, you know the Egyptians they got those big digs

[00:21:19] Yeah, I did right. Yeah, if I was Israel that would be my response. Yeah, I did right goddamn right

[00:21:25] I did yeah, so I stretched out my hand against you, you know me God and reduced your territory

[00:21:32] I gave you over to the greed of your enemies and the daughters of the Philistines who were shocked by your lewd conduct

[00:21:39] Hmm, were they okay? I guess I mean that's what he's saying. So I guess they were shocked

[00:21:44] I don't know. I don't think they were shocked. No, no, okay. No

[00:21:48] You engaged it in prostitution. Sorry. I have the hiccups. I just

[00:21:54] You engaged in prostitution with the Assyrians too because you were insatiable

[00:22:00] Oh, yeah, she's a lusty prostitute right young and even after that you still were not satisfied

[00:22:08] Literally you just called her insatiable. Yeah, why would she be satisfied if she was insatiable? Right, right?

[00:22:16] And again, I'm gonna say I'm just gonna point this back out but God created these people. Mm-hmm

[00:22:20] These are God's people. Yeah, and he is angry at them for being who they are apparently right so he's like

[00:22:27] I hate it when my kids are lusty whores

[00:22:32] Well, that's part of what makes me so angry is that he is railing against quote-unquote his own people, right?

[00:22:39] these are these are his chosen people and

[00:22:42] He goes and yells at them all the time for being the people that they are right and he doesn't do anything except for send

[00:22:50] Really really shitty messengers to tell them otherwise according to the Bible, you know and and they're supposed to change

[00:22:58] Based on what these idiots are telling them even though there's a lot of other idiots telling them different things, right?

[00:23:04] Like it makes no fucking sense. No, no and

[00:23:08] Anyway, you don't tell somebody that you love them by telling them how much you hate them, right, right gross

[00:23:15] Yeah, then you increased your promiscuity to include Babylonia a land of merchants

[00:23:22] But even with this you were not satisfied

[00:23:25] Israel was quite the lusty whore

[00:23:27] I guess well, you know part of the reason that they ended up in Babylon and

[00:23:31] Assyria is an Egypt for that matter in large part was because God drove them away, right?

[00:23:37] According to God according to the Bible according to the you know cannon, you know like that's that that's why they ended up there

[00:23:43] And a lot of the practices that are now

[00:23:46] Part of Christianity came from those other cultures because according to the Bible God drove them there, right?

[00:23:53] It's great. I mean the whole thing's nuts like we believe things but not we not you and I right but Christians and and

[00:24:01] Judaism believes things that are

[00:24:04] Part of other cultures because and again according to the Bible God drove them there, right and made them part of those cultures

[00:24:11] Yeah, it's just

[00:24:15] Backwards. Yeah, so backwards, right?

[00:24:17] I am filled with fury against you declares the sovereign Lord when you do all these things acting like a brazen

[00:24:25] Prostitute, I mean I say better a brazen prostitute than a sneaky one, right?

[00:24:30] Yeah, for sure when you built your mounds at every street corner

[00:24:34] I made your lofty shrines in every public square

[00:24:37] You were unlike a prostitute because you scorned payment

[00:24:41] So even as a prostitute you weren't a prostitute because you fuck

[00:24:46] Yeah, like that that's even not you can't really call them a prostitute, but that's even worse

[00:24:51] He's saying you didn't know where you were prostitute, but you weren't a prostitute because you wouldn't even take payment

[00:24:57] You were fucking everybody for free in nasty. Oh

[00:25:00] That's what I say. This is just you know, this is like much. Yeah

[00:25:05] This is horrible you adulterous wife

[00:25:08] You prefer strangers to your own husband

[00:25:12] You know it would so again, we're talking about God here, right?

[00:25:15] So we're talking about someone who has not

[00:25:19] Proven that they exist to any of these people. Yeah, and and so it's it's hard to cheat on a quote-unquote husband

[00:25:26] Right that is not present. I'm sorry

[00:25:29] basically it's like

[00:25:31] Israel married a truck driver who didn't just go on the road for like a year but left for literal centuries

[00:25:38] Yeah, and so then came home and was like what's going on?

[00:25:43] You didn't wait and they're like I thought you were dead asshole, right?

[00:25:47] You didn't send a postcard. You didn't call nothing. Yeah, you were gone. Yeah, the fuck right. Yeah, I fucked

[00:25:56] I was looking for some other, you know, dude

[00:25:59] I mean technically with the amount of time that God is gone

[00:26:02] You could I think legally have him pronounced dead right in any society that actually has some form of

[00:26:07] You know sound reasonable law based on how long you wait on somebody it sounds like that's what Israel did

[00:26:14] Right. Yeah, he cleared him dead because he was missing as well. They should have right

[00:26:18] Yeah, so they were no longer married to you and we're free to fuck exactly whomever they so pleased

[00:26:23] That's how I see it

[00:26:24] And you come in home and rant and Raven and calling them names doesn't really

[00:26:28] Meekier case look good. No it does not all

[00:26:32] Prostitutes receive gifts, but you give gifts to all your lovers bribing them to come to you from everywhere for your illicit favors

[00:26:41] I just see them as generous

[00:26:45] You're making it to where it's like how dare you fuck how dare you not charge for fucking how dare you fuck and give gifts

[00:26:52] Right. Wait what I can I can make butter for somebody and I can fuck them

[00:26:58] Yeah, sure, you know right get away. Yeah, so in your prostitution you are the opposite of others

[00:27:05] No one runs after you for your favors

[00:27:08] You are the very opposite for you give payment and none is given to you

[00:27:13] Okay, so I'm like please fuck me please so you mean wait, so I'm the man hiring

[00:27:20] Right, so to what I'm hearing

[00:27:22] Okay for men to hire prostitutes, but not for women to hire prostitutes

[00:27:27] That tracks with a lot of the things in the Bible cuz that's what I'm hearing right. Yeah

[00:27:31] She was like I need sex somebody come fuck me right. Yeah and paying for sex

[00:27:38] Yeah, yeah, so that would make the other countries the prostitutes and that would make Israel the customer

[00:27:45] Right. Yeah, right sounds about right. Yeah, so I mean I guess sure

[00:27:52] I mean I this whole this whole exercise is of

[00:27:56] Discussing that this way the game. No, I know but it's it's absolutely

[00:28:00] Observe because you notice he's calling prostitute or he's calling Israel a woman, right?

[00:28:05] Right. He was calling Israel a man

[00:28:08] Then the man would be praised for all the sex that he got that is true, right? That is actually true

[00:28:14] Yeah, yeah, and he would be like damn and you got it for free fuck. Yeah, you're winning

[00:28:20] Right, right. No, he's on purpose calling her a woman and it's like you are having other people

[00:28:27] Because misogyny and the Bible and it's you know just ever ever present as part of the narrative

[00:28:33] See, that's why I'm playing the game because it's a bad fucking analogy, right?

[00:28:38] You know, no, it really is it really is

[00:28:40] Therefore you prostitute hear the word of the Lord. He's like you fucking whore listen to me bitch

[00:28:46] Right, hey, yeah, that always makes me want to sit up and listen

[00:28:50] Yeah, no like that instantly makes my eyebrows shoot all the way up to the top of my head and be like excuse you

[00:28:56] Right. Yeah, you called me what? Yeah, I'm not listening to a goddamn thing. You have to say yeah

[00:29:03] This is what the sovereign Lord says

[00:29:06] because you poured out your lust and

[00:29:09] exposed your naked body in your promiscuity with your lovers and

[00:29:14] Because of all your detestable idols and because you gave them your children's blood

[00:29:20] Therefore I am gonna gather all your lovers with whom you found pleasure those you love as well as those you hated

[00:29:29] Okay, you're gonna what give me the people I hate it. Yeah, well, that's dumb

[00:29:32] Where's he going with this?

[00:29:33] I will gather them against you from all around and will strip you in front of them and they will see you

[00:29:40] Stark naked. Okay, so this this is a reference back to like him destroying Jerusalem, right?

[00:29:46] So like essentially we're going back to that where he's going to lay them bare in front of all the neighbors because

[00:29:52] He's trying to punish them and show them as an example of what not to do etc etc etc

[00:29:57] and

[00:29:59] It's just more it this is a different way of saying the exact same thing

[00:30:04] We've been saying right throughout this whole book thus far is that Jerusalem's fucked

[00:30:09] God's gonna send people to kill them. It's gonna make them look horrible in front of their neighbors

[00:30:13] And he's gonna exile them forever and ever and ever amen whatever

[00:30:19] Slut shaming and right making fun of women's bodies and stuff

[00:30:23] Yeah, cuz why not let's just throw in an extra layer of shittiness on top of the shittiness that we already have exactly

[00:30:29] Like let's just make sure that we disparage women to the nth degree

[00:30:33] Because why not we can it's the Bible. That's what we do here, right? Exactly

[00:30:38] Yeah, because honestly you're gonna strip me down and shame me in front of people

[00:30:42] Yeah, like the only one that should be ashamed is the person that's stripping me right regardless of what I've done

[00:30:48] I don't deserve to be stripped down. Fuck you and that's I think the biggest argument that I have about

[00:30:55] This whole religious idea that is God and the Old Testament thus far is that God needs some fucking therapy

[00:31:02] Like God is not correct. God is obviously a human male in

[00:31:10] The you know the year whatever thousands of years ago

[00:31:14] Writing this bullshit because they have no concept of what it means to actually be an equitable human

[00:31:19] treats people with compassion and empathy and

[00:31:24] Like it's none of that is there because they don't have the capacity for at that point in time

[00:31:29] Of course the God that they create is going to reflect that right and

[00:31:33] That wouldn't be problematic because sure they all did that back then right?

[00:31:38] The problem is that no, but we still are having some people believe that way to this day and enact laws around it

[00:31:46] And that's where the that's why we are here railing against this because these ideas are still in that same fucking book

[00:31:52] Right and they're still being used to destroy people today

[00:31:57] They're still being used to enact judgment on other human beings today

[00:32:02] And these are ideas that are so far

[00:32:06] Removed from what should be in a progressive society that they don't even hardly deserve comment except that they still exist

[00:32:13] In the year 2024

[00:32:16] We should 100% across the board

[00:32:19] Be reading this and laughing at it at its quaintness at its oldness at its

[00:32:26] Ridiculousity right and instead you and I are reading it and

[00:32:32] Making fun of it and laughing at it and other people are just looking at us like we're the dumb-dumbs and telling us

[00:32:39] You just don't get it and your heart's not open

[00:32:42] Yeah, and God has a plan and it's justified because dot dot dot and that's the fucking problem

[00:32:49] Right because we that is exactly the problem

[00:32:52] We should all be looking at this with the ridiculousness that it deserves right read it for what it is

[00:32:57] It is exactly what it is

[00:32:59] It's fucking stupid and childish and backwards and sexist and racist right and we wonder where this stuff stems from in our society

[00:33:06] And it's right there in front of us. Yep, I

[00:33:09] Will sentence you to the punishment of women who commit adultery and who shed blood

[00:33:15] Okay, no not period

[00:33:18] Yeah, it's rough I will bring on you the blood vengeance of my wrath and jealous anger

[00:33:24] The blood vengeance. What's the blood? I don't know but it sounds bad

[00:33:28] It doesn't sound good not that anything he says is good, but you know, okay

[00:33:33] Blood vengeance draw blood or are we talking about like?

[00:33:37] Sounds like some sort of magical right or something

[00:33:39] You know cuz when he said shed blood

[00:33:41] I instantly was thinking menstruation

[00:33:43] But then he was like blood vengeance and I'm like hold on are we talking about

[00:33:48] Period cycles or are we talking about like war with swords?

[00:33:52] There's a lot of symbolism in this chapter, so I'm sure there's a little bit more to it than that but you know

[00:33:58] All right

[00:33:58] I will bring on you the blood vengeance of my wrath and jealous anger

[00:34:03] Then I will deliver you into the hands of your lovers and they will tear down your mounds and destroy your lofty shrines

[00:34:12] They will strip you of your clothes and take your fine jewelry and leave you start naked. Oh my god

[00:34:18] I thought you already stripped me naked

[00:34:22] They will bring a mob against you who will stone you and hack you to pieces with their sword

[00:34:27] Jesus Christ that sounds fun. Thank you Lord. I love I know where I know they're gonna get taken over and

[00:34:34] Conquered but like hack you to pieces right those were like literally the words hack you to pieces is in the fucking Bible

[00:34:41] Talking to his own people right allowing it to happen. Yeah. Thank you God. That's not what the fuck

[00:34:48] I praise you like I should

[00:34:52] They will burn down your houses and inflict punishment on you in the sight of many women

[00:34:58] I will put a stop to your prostitution and you will no longer pay your lovers

[00:35:03] Again, it wasn't my prostitution. I was the customer. They were the prostitute

[00:35:08] Then my wrath against you will subside and my jealous anger will turn away from you

[00:35:13] I will be calm and no longer angry. Oh, wow

[00:35:16] Just has to hack you to pieces first and yeah embarrass the fuck out of you and kill you a lot

[00:35:21] And I just have to strip you and make you do the naked booby dance in front of everybody

[00:35:25] Yeah, so I don't love you again, right?

[00:35:28] Because you did not remember the days of your youth but enraged me with all these things

[00:35:33] I will surely bring down on your head what you have done

[00:35:37] Declare as the sovereign Lord. Did you not add lewdness to all your other detestable practices?

[00:35:44] I mean honestly, the only thing that I have problems with here is the child sacrifice, right?

[00:35:50] Yeah, the rest of it is your choice man, you know, like whatever

[00:35:54] When you when you like most what we rail against that the Bible inspires people of today to do is things that inflict

[00:36:01] um

[00:36:03] Their ideas on other human beings, right harming others and thus like much of what we care about that the Israelites did

[00:36:11] That was bad that God uses bad are things that they inflicted on other people which was generally child sacrifice, right?

[00:36:18] That was that and and when they warred against other other factions

[00:36:22] Those were the only times we really had issue with the Israelites themselves, right? So

[00:36:28] Yes

[00:36:29] When that it just like

[00:36:32] I can't stand it. So it's just it is what it is. So I don't know where I was going. I lost my complete train of thought

[00:36:38] I know I'm like looking at you when you're so irate that you're like covering your eyes and you lost all your words

[00:36:44] Yeah, yeah, like everything sucks

[00:36:47] I mean basically

[00:36:48] Everyone who quotes proverbs will quote this proverb about you like mother like daughter

[00:36:56] Oh

[00:36:57] Okay, you are a true daughter of your mother who despised her husband and her children

[00:37:04] And you are a true sister of your sisters who despised their husbands and their children

[00:37:09] Your mother was a hittite and your father an amorite small of all the berries

[00:37:14] Your older sister was samaria who lived to the north of you with her daughters and your younger sister

[00:37:19] Who lived to the south of you with their daughters was sawdom

[00:37:23] You not only follow their ways and copy their detestable practices, but in all your ways you soon became more depraved than they

[00:37:32] Okay

[00:37:33] You were worse than all them people that you're related to that. I guess yeah

[00:37:37] Somehow these things just keep like I mean it's so funny to me not funny

[00:37:42] But it's

[00:37:43] It's crazy how we talk about how bad they are and then he's just like and all I gotta do is just kill you

[00:37:49] And embarrass you and then you're gonna be back to normal again. Yep

[00:37:52] Like it's such an easy fix in his mind. He's just got to kill and embarrass you. Yeah, you know kill you real bad

[00:37:57] But you know

[00:37:58] But not before I embarrass you

[00:38:00] Right embarrass you stippy first embarrass you. Yeah, and then kill you right right for a couple of you

[00:38:06] I gotta keep a couple of you around to keep making fun of right. Yeah

[00:38:10] As surely as I live declares the sovereign lord

[00:38:14] Your sister sawdom and her daughters never did what you and your daughters have done

[00:38:19] Now this was the sin of your sister sawdom

[00:38:22] She and her daughters were arrogant overfed and unconcerned. They did not help the poor and needy

[00:38:29] They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore, I did away with them if you have seen

[00:38:35] Samaria did not commit half the sins you did

[00:38:39] You have done more detestable things than they and have made your sister seem righteous by all these things you have done

[00:38:46] Damn

[00:38:47] Wow

[00:38:47] He's like I hate you. I hate you. I hate you guys are like you guys are worse than the worst apparently

[00:38:52] You're just you're awful. You're the worst. I hate you right

[00:38:57] Bear your disgrace for you have furnished some justification for your sisters

[00:39:02] Because your sins were more vile than theirs. They appear more righteous than you

[00:39:09] What is a suck contest? Yeah, I don't I right? Yeah, you suck more than they did and they sucked

[00:39:16] Right like are there degrees of like how much you hate us? I guess I guess yeah, I

[00:39:25] I don't I don't really know like

[00:39:28] I get it right like God is constantly

[00:39:31] Going off about how much he hates the Israelites like that's like the one constant in the Old Testament

[00:39:38] And it seems like every time we get into

[00:39:41] Some new book there's like a one-upping of how much he hates them this time versus the other time, right?

[00:39:47] And it just feels like this is one of those things where he's like

[00:39:50] Well, let's we gotta make him look this much worse because we've already covered some pretty bad shit already

[00:39:55] So yeah, let's make them that much worse. Well, that's how they did their

[00:40:01] their

[00:40:02] Communicating their comparisons back then they they literally did in order to make something seem big

[00:40:09] They had to they couldn't just be big. They had to be giants, right? You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah that kind of thing

[00:40:15] Yeah, sure

[00:40:15] So then be ashamed and bear your disgrace for you have made your sisters appear righteous

[00:40:21] However, I will restore the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters and of Samaria and her daughters

[00:40:27] And your fortunes along with them so that you may bear your disgrace and be ashamed of all you've done

[00:40:32] in giving them comfort

[00:40:34] And your sisters Sodom with her daughters and Samaria with her daughters

[00:40:40] Will return to what they were before and you and your daughters will return to what you were before

[00:40:46] You would not even mention your sister Sodom in the day of your pride before your wickedness was uncovered

[00:40:51] Even so you are now scorned by the daughters of Edom and all her neighbors and the daughters of the philistines

[00:40:58] All those around you who despise you. I'm so back and forth on this Jesus christ. Yeah

[00:41:05] I hate you, but I'll save you

[00:41:07] But you still suck and you suck worse than them

[00:41:10] But also you were prostituting to them or something. I don't I don't you know

[00:41:14] But they also hate you but you were giving them free sex and what yeah

[00:41:18] Like what this is just all over the fucking place. Stop going off for a minute. Can you just talk? Yeah

[00:41:23] Just talk right you will bear the consequences of your lewdness and your detestable practices declares the lord

[00:41:31] This is what the sovereign lord says

[00:41:33] I will deal with you as you deserve because you have despised my oath by breaking the covenant

[00:41:40] The covenant the covenant that was made with their grandfather. Yeah, right and great grandfather

[00:41:46] Yeah, that he hasn't really

[00:41:48] Also that he hasn't really specifically laid out to them

[00:41:51] Which even in one of the previous chapters in Ezekiel

[00:41:54] He was like I'm going to tell them all these things after like to make them better after they get destroyed

[00:42:00] I'm gonna tell them these things so that they're they're good people again. Right. And like, why didn't you do that before?

[00:42:06] Why didn't you come to them before you've had right, you know

[00:42:11] Thousands and thousands of years to discuss who you are what you want as a god to these people that are your people

[00:42:18] Why haven't you done that?

[00:42:20] You know this gets into parenting

[00:42:23] Yeah, like no definitely like do you just always tell your kid everything that they're doing wrong and how much you hate them?

[00:42:31] Obviously not if you do you're a shitty parent and you should probably stop listening right now and get yourself into some good family therapy

[00:42:38] Yeah, because you suck. Right, right

[00:42:42] You know, if you're not happy with the choices your child is making you bear some of

[00:42:50] While they're minors particularly you bear some of

[00:42:54] the responsibility

[00:42:55] for the choices that they're making and why they're making them and

[00:42:59] You should start talking to them. Yeah and telling them communication

[00:43:05] Communication is key. Right. Yeah, like you don't just wait until they're like 18 and then be like

[00:43:12] Now that you're 18, I decided I'm gonna tell you all the ways that you suck

[00:43:16] And I'm gonna embarrass you and I'm gonna cut you off and I'm gonna, you know

[00:43:21] Tell you how much you suck and blah blah blah blah. Oh, but someday there's an inheritance for you

[00:43:27] But don't talk to me between now and then

[00:43:29] Like what is happening right now? Right? That's what I feel like this god is doing

[00:43:34] Yeah, yeah, he like waited till they turned 18 and then just started screaming at them

[00:43:39] Yeah after being an absentee father

[00:43:42] Absolutely true. Yes bullshit

[00:43:44] I agree

[00:43:45] Yet I will remember the covenant I made with you in the days of your youth and I will establish an everlasting covenant with you

[00:43:54] Okay. Oh again, right? Okay all your covenants seem to come to nothing right? Yeah

[00:44:00] Then you will remember your ways

[00:44:02] And be ashamed when you receive your sisters both those who are older than you and those who are younger

[00:44:09] I will give them to you as daughters, but not on the basis of my covenant with you

[00:44:14] So I will establish my covenant with you and you will know

[00:44:18] That my name is the mother fucking lord that I am the mother fucking lord

[00:44:22] Right. Yeah. Yeah, then when I make atonement for you for all you've done

[00:44:27] You will remember and be ashamed and never again open your mouth because of your humiliation

[00:44:32] Declare the sovereign lord and so you're gonna be silent the rest of your life because you were humiliated

[00:44:39] And you're gonna be you're gonna be just wonderful people

[00:44:42] Because you you recognized your humiliation because god

[00:44:45] Showed it to you because he destroyed you and oh wait. Wait. He also hacked you to pieces, right? Yeah

[00:44:52] Good stuff good stuff. If they're going to be full of regret

[00:44:55] They're going to be full of regret that their god is so cruel not at the things that they've done, right?

[00:45:01] Yeah, I I agree

[00:45:03] I don't I don't really know how to feel about this chapter other than I don't like it

[00:45:11] I

[00:45:12] It's very like it's so like they is heavy on the symbolism, right? Yeah

[00:45:16] And obviously it's talking about the exact same things that we've been talking about up to this point

[00:45:21] God's gonna destroy the fuck out of them gonna spread them to different cultures and whatever and people are gonna laugh at them

[00:45:26] They're all gonna laugh at you

[00:45:28] They're all gonna laugh at me and uh, that's an Adam Sandler reference, right? No. Yeah for sure just for those who don't know

[00:45:35] Yeah, um and and of course we have to bring massage into the mix because why not we have to make women look like their pieces of

[00:45:41] Shit because that's how we describe bad things as in

[00:45:45] Your your you damn women you damn women, right, you know like you could almost rename the bible you damn women

[00:45:51] Right, you know so

[00:45:54] I don't know it uh

[00:45:57] I'm

[00:45:58] I was I was happier with the uh the multiple eyeballs on the wheels

[00:46:03] Can we go back to your weird decisions? We want more eyeballs on wheels, right? Yeah

[00:46:07] All right. Do we got anything else to go over today or was that the gist of it? That was not just the gist of it

[00:46:13] That was that was the whole fucking thing. Okay

[00:46:16] So that was Ezekiel chapter 16 sure as fuck was and we will be back tomorrow on our live

[00:46:23] Discord correct. I believe yes with

[00:46:27] Chapter 17 of easy Kyle. That's right. We'll see you guys then

[00:46:38] Husband wife do you remember what happened yesterday? I'm where the hell we are today

[00:46:44] Well yesterday, we read Ezekiel chapter 16 sure as fuck did and in that chapter

[00:46:50] I believe god was going off about how israel is

[00:46:56] a prostitute no horror and

[00:46:59] There is cheating on them and like damn them and they suck but really it turns out that she's not the prostitute

[00:47:06] She's paying prostitutes for sex right right. Yeah, actually makes her a customer

[00:47:12] Which would be fine if she was a man, but she's a woman so that makes her a fucking lusty obviously

[00:47:18] In the bible it is correct to be misogynistic

[00:47:21] So if you're gonna

[00:47:23] Believe the bible you have to believe in misogyny apparently. Yes, at least that's the way it seems thus far. Yes

[00:47:29] So I whatever

[00:47:31] And there might have been some redemption maybe at the end or something for possibly for them

[00:47:35] Always yeah, I think that you can almost say that without having to

[00:47:39] You can just guess that and that's going to be a correct

[00:47:41] Most of the time I mean most of the time he's like I fucking hate you

[00:47:45] You guys suck and then at the very last two verses. He's like, but I'll save a couple of you. Bye. Yeah. Yeah

[00:47:52] Um, so that was Ezekiel chapter 16 and before we get into the new episode today

[00:47:57] I do have a quick announcement that I would like to make uh with regard to a shout out

[00:48:01] It's not exactly a new patron, but it is someone who has upped their patronage

[00:48:06] What? Yeah, so Jessica are um upped their patronage by five dollars

[00:48:11] Jessica, thank you. I really want to say a big thank you because we are in a big push right now to try to

[00:48:19] Get our level up to a higher level that's going to help us do some things that we want to get done with our podcast

[00:48:25] and and there's been a lot of response to it and we definitely need a lot more but

[00:48:31] Some of it has been from our current patrons and we really

[00:48:34] Absolutely appreciate that so so much. You're the bee's knees Jessica are thank you so much. Yeah. Yeah, thank you so much

[00:48:41] um that being said

[00:48:43] Uh, we just got done reading Ezekiel chapter 16

[00:48:47] Which means that today we're getting into

[00:48:49] Ezekiel chapter 17. All right, let's do this oki-doki

[00:48:54] All right, we are jumping into easy kyle

[00:49:07] Chapter 17 the zekiel chapter 17. No, it's easy k

[00:49:11] Also, did you know that chat that the number 17 is my favorite number?

[00:49:15] I I did know that yeah, why because you're married to me and we've been married for about that length of time

[00:49:21] Yes, in fact, it's a debatable whether it's 17 or 18 years, right? Yeah

[00:49:26] So it's one of those two we we on purpose don't know kind of kind of just just for the record

[00:49:32] Anybody who's questioning that out there because you know, generally people know when they got married

[00:49:36] But no, we got married twice two years in a row. No, no, no, no, that sounds gross here

[00:49:42] What does it sound gross because it sounds like those people that like get married and then get divorced

[00:49:46] But then they realize that they love each other. So then they go get

[00:49:50] Oh, no, no like that. No, we got married

[00:49:53] um

[00:49:54] A year before our ceremony so that he could add me and the kids to his insurance

[00:50:00] And then so a year after the legal thing we actually held the ceremony with the dress and the same weekend and all that

[00:50:08] Yeah, yeah memorial day weekend. So literally we just had our anniversary and we can never remember which exact day it is

[00:50:13] So we're just like it's memorial day weekend. Whatever and it's 17 or 18 and that works for us and we like it

[00:50:18] It's fun or actually because we get a whole fucking weekend and a story to tell about it

[00:50:23] And we get to discuss every single year how many years we were married and it's one of the two

[00:50:26] And we never know we never know and then people are like the fuck and we're like it's fun

[00:50:31] And if we like one of the numbers better, we're just like, well, yeah, let's go with that one this year. Yeah

[00:50:34] So, yeah, it sounds good. Yeah, that's love when you don't give up. That's right. Yeah, I love you, babe

[00:50:39] Love you. Okay. All right. Sorry easy kyle 17 ready. Yeah, so okay

[00:50:44] We're gonna get into some parables here. Are we that sounds not cool

[00:50:49] Fy I this is gonna be a riddle and it's also called a mishall

[00:50:55] Which is a proverb and a parable both what?

[00:51:00] Okay, okay, and it's considered an enigma a dark. Is it wrapped in a

[00:51:06] Conundrum and no, but it is a dark obscure utterance. Okay. Yeah, so and it's about eagles ready?

[00:51:14] Yeah, we're gonna read about fly like the eagle

[00:51:18] Yeah, the word of the lord came to me again

[00:51:22] Son of man. Yeah mere war. Yeah. No. Yeah mere human. Yeah, worm. Yeah, yeah, son of a bitch

[00:51:28] Set forth an allegory and tell it to the israelites as a parable. Which one do you want?

[00:51:35] Kidding kidding kidding say to them this is what the sovereign lord says

[00:51:40] A great eagle with powerful wings long feathers and full plumage of varied colors came to lebanon

[00:51:49] Lebanon

[00:51:50] Let lebanon sure taking hold of the top of a cedar

[00:51:54] He broke off its topmost chute and carried it away to a land of merchants where he planted it in a city of traders

[00:52:03] Okay, he took one of the seedlings of the land and put it in fertile soil that eagle did

[00:52:09] He planted it like a willow by abundant water and it sprouted and became a low spreading vine

[00:52:16] Its branches turned toward him, but its roots remained under it

[00:52:20] So it became a vine and produced branches and put out leafy boughs. Yeah, okay

[00:52:26] I'm gonna stop myself really quick and let you know

[00:52:30] That the symbolism for israel and how they came to their land and then

[00:52:37] Put roots down and yeah the grew the vines. I'm not I'm not there yet, but yes, okay

[00:52:42] I just wanted to let you know that the great eagle refers to nebuchadnezzar the king of babelon

[00:52:48] Oh, okay

[00:52:49] Okay, I was thinking more like god because

[00:52:52] It's planting the seeds and and the whole the whole bit. Um not in this one. Sorry. Oh, okay. All right fair enough

[00:52:59] According to I guess whatever whatever the king of babelon

[00:53:03] I guess the eagle can be nebuchadnezzar if they want it to be he's fly high like an eagle who am I the judge who the eagle is

[00:53:09] But there was another great eagle with powerful wings and full plumage

[00:53:13] The vine now sent out its roots toward him from the plot where it was planted and stretched out its branches to him for water

[00:53:21] It had been planted in good soil by abundant water

[00:53:25] So that it would produce branches bear fruit and become a splendid vine

[00:53:31] Okay, so god continues say to them

[00:53:34] This is what the sovereign lord says will it thrive?

[00:53:38] Will it not be uprooted and stripped of its fruit so that it withers

[00:53:42] Why would we uproot it and make it wither? Well, how's that gonna happen all its new growth will wither

[00:53:48] It will not take a strong arm or many people to pull it up by the roots

[00:53:53] It has been planted but will it thrive will it not wither completely when the east wind strikes it

[00:53:59] Wither away and the plot where it grew. Oh, so this is more about bad planting practices apparently

[00:54:05] Okay, yes, and the comparison to

[00:54:08] The israelites I guess. Yes, okay

[00:54:11] Then the word of the lord came to me ezekiel. Yeah. Okay. Yeah

[00:54:15] Say to this

[00:54:17] rebellious people

[00:54:19] Do you not know what these things mean? So no, he's gonna explain it

[00:54:23] I mean, I just told you a parable now. I'm gonna break it down

[00:54:26] You could choose to just say it, you know, like you could just say it straight up

[00:54:30] Okay, I'm gonna and you could say it not through as ezekiel or you know

[00:54:33] Here i'm god or whoever on god

[00:54:36] And you be you be you telling me a thing prump prump prump stories and parables prump prump prump putting on a show

[00:54:43] Here I go everybody watch my movie prump prump prump. Yeah, could you just like not put on a shut up?

[00:54:52] Fear me bitch no

[00:54:57] Yes, no blood

[00:55:02] I mean is that about sum it up. I think so. I think I just summed up the whole goddamn old test right. Yeah

[00:55:07] Okay, do you not know what these things mean?

[00:55:10] Say to them the king of babelon went to jerusalem and carried off her king and her nobles

[00:55:16] Bringing them back with him to babelon, right? So that that eagle picked up the seedlings, right?

[00:55:23] And he brought them sure and he planted them but not like real good

[00:55:27] Yeah, then he took a member of the royal family and made a treaty with him putting him under oath

[00:55:33] He also carried away the leading men of the land, you know, that was the the first wave

[00:55:39] Of exiles, right so that the kingdom would be brought low unable to rise again

[00:55:44] Surviving only by keeping his treaty

[00:55:48] But the king rebelled against him the the king

[00:55:52] of the

[00:55:54] Israelite yeah, that was right. Yeah not well

[00:55:58] I'm just saying like it's suffering a little bit of pronoun abuse. Yeah, it's going he he he he and as well

[00:56:05] I don't think I don't think the which king is necessarily important to the symbolism

[00:56:10] That they're trying to convey here. It's just that israel

[00:56:14] Got uprooted and then got uprooted again

[00:56:16] Okay, but when they're saying the king plucked some people but the king rebelled

[00:56:21] Those are two different kings. No, you're that you're absolutely right. So that that's what i'm saying, right

[00:56:25] I I read in my notes

[00:56:28] Just oh by the by you might want to clarify this sure sure. So i'm clarifying it. Okay. Yeah, so the first king was

[00:56:35] Um nebuchadnezzar king of abalone

[00:56:38] Oh, oh, okay. Yes as the eagle right and now the king rebelled against him by sending his envoys

[00:56:45] that's um

[00:56:47] king

[00:56:48] um

[00:56:49] It wasn't kings at a kaias kings at a kaias was the king of or was the leader of uh the israelites

[00:56:54] So it's whoever that is in charge of

[00:56:57] Okay, but the king rebelled against him by sending his envoys to egypt to get horses and a large army

[00:57:04] Will he succeed?

[00:57:05] No, will he who does such things escape?

[00:57:09] Will he break the treaty and yet escape? No

[00:57:13] As surely as I live declares the sovereign lord. He shall die in babelon

[00:57:17] You know, do you know why I know this stuff? Why because they've already fucking covered it multiple times over

[00:57:22] Right. Yeah, he shall die in babelon in the land of the king who put him on the throne

[00:57:28] Who's oath who he despised and whose treaty he broke? Yeah

[00:57:33] Pharaoh with his mighty army and gray horde will be of no help to him and war

[00:57:38] When rams are built and siege works erected to destroy many lives

[00:57:44] Now I feel like if he would have made it further

[00:57:46] Like if he would have made it beyond like he didn't he never made it to

[00:57:49] Egypt he made it just outside of egypt

[00:57:51] That was when he was running away. Right. Yeah, but I feel like if he could have got to egypt

[00:57:55] They would have been help they would have helped him

[00:57:58] I don't know. I have a feeling egypt

[00:58:01] Um knew what was happening and was like kind of watching from the sidelines going

[00:58:06] I don't know we're gonna go out of their way, but if he made it there

[00:58:08] They're not going to let babelon into their you know place. So they're like, sure off, right?

[00:58:13] That is true, but I don't think that they would have like

[00:58:17] Fully stood up to babelon. No

[00:58:20] So I don't I don't know if that would have they were too evenly matched from what I like from what I've gathered anyway

[00:58:26] They seem like they were pretty evenly matched. So, right

[00:58:30] He despised the oath by breaking the covenant

[00:58:34] I mean you can break a promise without despising the promise

[00:58:37] Yeah, you know, right? I mean

[00:58:40] I don't I don't think that just because you break a promise means that you despised the promise that you made

[00:58:46] Not necessarily. Yeah

[00:58:48] Like um, if I promise my kid

[00:58:51] I'm taking them to king's island and then it rains and I'm like well, we're not going. I'm sorry

[00:58:57] Right, right. I don't despise the promise for those of you who don't live in southern ohio

[00:59:02] King's island is a amusement park. Sure

[00:59:05] Roller coasters and such. Yes theme park. Sorry. I knew what I meant. Yeah. No, I know

[00:59:11] I just was clarifying right. I'm just I'm just saying like just because you break a promise or covenant or whatever

[00:59:15] Whatever that doesn't automatically mean that you despise it. Yeah, so I just feel like that was like poor phrasing and

[00:59:24] Like

[00:59:25] Making something out of it that it wasn't right. He didn't break the fucking covenant because he despised it

[00:59:32] That's not what happened. Right

[00:59:35] Anyway, because he had given his hand in pledge and yet did all these things he shall not fucking escape

[00:59:43] Boom. Okay. Therefore. This is what the sovereign lord says

[00:59:47] As surely as I live I will repay him for despising my oath and breaking my covenant

[00:59:53] And he sure did

[00:59:54] It's just he's implying malice where I don't think a lot of malice exists. Right. I I think it's like

[01:00:01] I don't give a fuckness

[01:00:03] Right or I'm just trying to live this

[01:00:06] Yeah, and and I also feel like this is just like

[01:00:10] The bible to do in its own horn like hey this thing that happened. We knew it was going to happen

[01:00:15] Oh, guess what? We also knew it was going to happen over here and over there and this other time and this other time

[01:00:20] And and hey, we call it again over here too

[01:00:22] And then we signed it to so many different dudes and triplicate

[01:00:27] Yeah, and and then and then so that way we could claim like look at all these dudes who called it ahead of time

[01:00:32] We prophesied so fucking hard guys like look at how hard we prophesied. We prophesied hard

[01:00:37] It was amazing how how much we prophesied this shit, right?

[01:00:41] Like look at all the prophecies. We were hard soothed sayers. Yeah, we were

[01:00:48] I

[01:00:49] The lord yeah will spread my net for him and he will be caught in my snare

[01:00:54] I will bring him to Babylon and execute judgment on him there because he was unfaithful to me

[01:01:01] All his choice troops will follow by the sword and the survivors will be scattered smothered covered to the winds

[01:01:08] Yeah, okay like scrambled eggs at waffle house, right then you will know that's not that's not scrambled eggs

[01:01:15] No, it's hash browns. Yeah apologies, right?

[01:01:19] See I always get my scrambled eggs and my hash browns together because I like them all mixed

[01:01:27] Then you will know that I the lord have spoken

[01:01:31] Okay, not because he's announced that he's speaking a million fucking times or did something with which they can be like

[01:01:37] Damn, did you see what the lord just did?

[01:01:40] Holy moly what we can't even do that because he speaks through his fucking prophets

[01:01:46] Right, it's like it's never the lord speaking right, but we're supposed to know because

[01:01:51] He prophesies real hard

[01:01:53] That and that the lord spoke Ezekiel says it a lot so we write him. Yeah because when you repeat yourself

[01:02:00] That makes you trustworthy, but I'm like as far as I know Ezekiel never even saw this shit happen

[01:02:05] He just would have heard about it from afar

[01:02:07] So right like it was never like how would you know that it was correct even

[01:02:11] I well, I guess no they did bring the king to Babylon so

[01:02:14] He would have seen that happen. I guess maybe or at least been near it. He might have seen it but Zedekiah didn't

[01:02:22] Sick bird

[01:02:24] This is what the sovereign lord says

[01:02:27] I myself will take a shoot from the very top of a cedar and plant it

[01:02:32] I will break off a tender sprig from its topmost shoots and planted on a high and lofty mountain

[01:02:39] On the mountain heights of Israel. I will plant it

[01:02:43] I'm planted. You're gonna plant it in one of the high spaces

[01:02:47] Why?

[01:02:48] Because high spaces are fine when it's Yahweh

[01:02:51] Okay, or L or whatever the fuck we're calling him them today. We've spent a lot of time railing against high places

[01:02:57] That's all yeah, but I feel I feel like this is not correct

[01:03:01] So basically what he's saying is oh no the high places are fine

[01:03:05] But only when you fear the lord, which is me

[01:03:08] This lord right I I me I alpha omega guy. Yeah sky daddy

[01:03:14] Yeah, yeah on the mountain heights of Israel

[01:03:18] I will plant it

[01:03:19] It will produce branches and bear fruit and become a splendid cedar

[01:03:24] Birds of every kind will nest in it. They will find shelter in the shade of its branches god plants the best vines

[01:03:31] They they're so grounded and rooted that it's um, it's unbelievable how

[01:03:36] Well, he plants those those vines nice tree

[01:03:41] All the trees of the forest will know that are the lord

[01:03:44] Bring down the tall tree and make the low tree grow tall

[01:03:49] I do good treeing

[01:03:52] I'm the best look at that tree being a good tree. I'm gonna kill it

[01:03:55] Yeah, and then I'm gonna let that other tree grow because

[01:03:58] I like killing I like killing things. Um, what I'm the lord with my tinker toys. Yeah, you know

[01:04:04] I dry up the green tree and make the dry tree flourish

[01:04:08] I the lord has spoken and I will do it the end

[01:04:11] He sounds like trump. I'm awesome. I have all the big trees

[01:04:16] Believe me. I'm gonna do it. It's gonna be done. You know, and it's gonna be the biggest tree you ever saw

[01:04:22] You thought you saw a high mountain. I had

[01:04:25] Millions of people on the promenade. I knew all these things happened a million times over and I and I knew them before

[01:04:32] They knew them because I knew them so much. I knew no one has been prosecuted worse than me in all of history

[01:04:39] Yeah, I'm the best and the worst. I'm the most and the least

[01:04:43] It's just it's so like it like

[01:04:46] We've hurt I didn't whatever finish a thought I can't I can't I can't there's too many thoughts rolling around on my fucking head

[01:04:53] God's dick. God is

[01:04:55] Not real and he is

[01:04:58] They're they're saying that god knew all these things so many times that it you can't possibly fucking believe it at this point

[01:05:04] Right, like nothing you could in the first place. What was it? You say, um, doth protest too much, right?

[01:05:10] Yes, I mean me. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah

[01:05:14] It's it's there's

[01:05:15] Too many it's it's mentionitis

[01:05:19] And you you they're mentioning these things so often that it's like, yeah, we get it

[01:05:23] You're fucking new I guess but I don't really believe you because

[01:05:27] You're just making such a fucking big deal about it

[01:05:30] I have to say something what you use the word mentionitis and that's like a word that I made up

[01:05:36] Yeah, for when somebody keeps referring to something over and over and over again

[01:05:40] You made that up like no one else ever made the word mentionitis up. No, really? That's a meism

[01:05:45] I didn't I didn't realize that. Yeah, and so just now when you said it like it made my heart skip a beat

[01:05:52] I love you

[01:05:54] Because you've adopted my language to the point that you didn't even know

[01:05:58] That it came from me, right? No, I'd say mentionitis

[01:06:01] Yeah, yeah

[01:06:02] It's like when you got a crush on somebody and you keep mentioning their name fucking over and over and over and over

[01:06:06] And over again, right? Yeah. Yeah that okay. Yeah, it's mentionitis

[01:06:11] I feel like no, it's me. Okay. All right. Okay if if you um

[01:06:18] Think that you've heard it elsewhere. I would like to know that source. Well, I don't have a source

[01:06:22] I can't prove it. So I'm gonna let you have this one. Okay. So I mean there you go. You get you get mentionitis

[01:06:28] I get mentionitis

[01:06:30] I have mentionitis right

[01:06:33] I mean it's better than other things you can get so you know

[01:06:35] It's better than talking about fucking trees that you planted and yeah for sure uprooted for sure

[01:06:40] All right. Well, that was azekiel chapter 17. Oh wait, I forgot to tell you something really important

[01:06:46] Yeah, um, I think it's verse nine. Let me double check my notes. Okay. It's actually kind of cool. Got it. Yeah the entire

[01:06:54] Hebrew alphabet

[01:06:55] It appears in verse nine. Oh

[01:06:58] Isn't that cool? Yeah. Yeah

[01:07:01] Is there is there any particular reason they did that or just I don't know

[01:07:05] It's just they really like the alphabet again. They're like here. Let's throw it in here

[01:07:08] It's it's like somebody was like, oh my god

[01:07:11] The sentence says that the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog

[01:07:17] Right, you know, that's a sentence that um uses every letter in the

[01:07:21] English alphabet. I didn't know that. Oh, yeah, that's um, that's like a sentence that you employ

[01:07:28] If you're trying to see if a typewriter works real quick

[01:07:30] Oh, okay. Okay quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog. Okay, because it utilizes every single letter

[01:07:37] And the English alphabet. That's awesome. Yeah

[01:07:39] I'm it's like they they came across that in the bible and they were like every letter. Oh my god, right verse nine

[01:07:46] Yep, there it is

[01:07:49] All right, that was Ezekiel chapter 17. Sure as fuck wise which means that we will be back tomorrow with

[01:07:55] Uh, Ezekiel chapter 18. That is correct. Awesome. We'll see you guys then. Okay. Bye

[01:08:02] Hey

[01:08:07] Husband wife, do you remember what happened yesterday and where the hell we are today?

[01:08:13] Well, I think we had a parable wrapped in a proverb that was about an eagle that was planting seeds

[01:08:19] But he didn't plant them very well in the one place in the one place which was never kenezer

[01:08:24] And kenezer. Sorry. Yeah, yeah my bad

[01:08:29] But uh, so yeah, there was some planting of seeds of vines and then they grew but they weren't grown great

[01:08:34] And then god came back and planted more seeds after those were bad and he planted them in the high places

[01:08:38] Which was weird

[01:08:40] Considering that we're supposed to not like the high yeah, right? That was that was definitely weird

[01:08:44] And then those grew better apparently but then their neighbors had enlarged, you know dicks dicks

[01:08:50] Yeah, so there's that that was that was I mean, that's what I remember the neighbors. You got anything else?

[01:08:55] You're right. Yeah, so that was uh, Ezekiel chapter 17

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[01:10:04] We just finished a z heal chapter 17. And today we're getting into is z heal chapter 18

[01:10:11] All right, let's do this oki-doki

[01:10:13] All right, we are picking up with easy kyle chapter 18

[01:10:26] That we are here we go z heal chapter 18. No easy kyle. I know I i'm i'm aware

[01:10:33] That that's what we want it to be yeah, but I stated out loud so that people don't get confused as fuck when they

[01:10:39] They join us for the first time ever like who the fucks an easy kyle

[01:10:42] Well, I mean I said it correctly in the intro

[01:10:46] So hopefully they know that i'm just a dumbo that likes to say whatever I like to say

[01:10:50] But sometimes maybe people skip the intro. They're like, I don't really care about the intro

[01:10:53] I want to hear the bit you know the whole the main port fair enough here's the bit

[01:10:57] Yeah, the bit when I say easy kyle. It's because it's more fun than a z heal and I need all the

[01:11:03] Fun and joy I can bring to my life in all the little ways. I mean that's fair

[01:11:06] Yeah, okay, so the word of the lord came to me as it does. Yeah. Yeah seems to and

[01:11:14] I mean according to the bible me being a z kyle, right? Yeah

[01:11:18] What do you people mean by quoting this proverb a lot about the land of israel

[01:11:24] The parents eat sour grapes and the children's teeth are set on edge

[01:11:28] Okay, okay, that's that's about the sins of the father visited on

[01:11:33] The child or whatever. Yeah, okay, all right

[01:11:37] As surely as I live declares the sovereign lord you will no longer quote this proverb in israel

[01:11:43] That would be nice. I would like that

[01:11:46] I mean, haven't we complained about how that's some unfair bullshit? Yeah. Yeah for everyone belongs to me

[01:11:53] The parent as well as the child both alike belong to me

[01:11:57] See, I don't like the idea of bringing ownership into any relationship. Thank you

[01:12:01] I think that I think that's a that's a bad way to

[01:12:07] To view a relationship between

[01:12:09] anybody let alone let alone a god like a god should be there to

[01:12:15] Help us right or to encourage us or to you know, whatever but like this is not what it is

[01:12:20] It's it is about ownership. It is about

[01:12:23] Blind worship. It is about, you know, just

[01:12:26] bowing to this deity that

[01:12:28] Needs all the things because he can't fucking

[01:12:31] Exist without people praising him all the fucking time, right? I mean even in a parent child relationship. Yeah, you might have

[01:12:39] Jurisdiction over the child, but you don't own the child the child's a fucking person, right?

[01:12:44] Right who has their own feelings their own ideas their own thoughts when I think the idea like that idea right there

[01:12:50] That idea is where it becomes problematic because of the

[01:12:55] pseudo endorsements of slavery that are throughout the

[01:12:58] The Old Testament as well like, you know that ownership of people is definitely a concept that they don't shy away from right in this book

[01:13:05] Right and it bothers me. Women children slaves. Yeah, it's all about ownership

[01:13:11] Yeah ownership of land and resources, right the entire book is just men being greedy

[01:13:16] It really is gross. Yeah, the one who sins is the one who will die

[01:13:21] That's the Lord saying that unless you ask other parts of the bible and unless

[01:13:25] You didn't sin in his sight or something right there's been plenty of stuff that like

[01:13:32] You know people got smoked in the beginning for like picking up sticks on the wrong fucking day or whatever

[01:13:37] Right, right and now like he's like meh

[01:13:41] Well, but and people are always like why don't the the wicked get their just dues, you know

[01:13:46] Right, they don't sometimes in the bible. Yeah, and god's like they'll get it when they die or whatever

[01:13:52] So whatever it's not for years to know. Yeah

[01:13:56] Suppose there is a righteous man who does what is just and right

[01:13:59] He does not eat at the mountain shrines or look to the idols of israel

[01:14:04] He does not defile his neighbor's wife. Well, that's good. I mean, yeah, or have sexual relations with a woman during her period

[01:14:12] That's

[01:14:13] personal

[01:14:15] I mean, that's a little bit too specific, right, you know like I mean

[01:14:20] Seriously your wife while she was shedding her uterus. God damn you to hell

[01:14:25] I just I feel like they're way too preoccupied with sex with genitalia. Yeah, yeah, it's everywhere

[01:14:31] Like how about this don't worry about it

[01:14:33] And if a woman wants to fuck while she's on her period and a man is down for it or a woman for that matter

[01:14:39] Is down for it. Why is it? Why is it anybody's business? It's nobody's business, right?

[01:14:44] Let people fuck except the turks. Nobody business but the turks

[01:14:48] It is nobody's business, but the turks

[01:14:51] That's what I hear right. Yeah, because istanbul was once constantanople. Yeah. Yeah

[01:14:56] He does not oppress anyone but returns what he took in pledge for a loan. He's this good guy, you know, okay?

[01:15:02] Yeah, he does not commit robbery. Oh, I'm so glad like the bar is so fucking low

[01:15:07] Yeah, but gives his food to the hungry and provides clothing for the naked as as you should do if you have resources

[01:15:13] Give to the poor. Yeah, he does not lend to them at interest or take a profit from them

[01:15:19] He withholds his hand from doing wrong and judges fairly between two parties. So he's a right nice dude

[01:15:25] really interesting because they're actually

[01:15:28] Harkening back to some

[01:15:30] Ideas that are straight out of like leviticus and things which we haven't really heard them touch on in a while

[01:15:35] Right like the bit about the you know having sex on the period and the

[01:15:38] Um, you know lending had no interest and those things have not been talked about for quite a while

[01:15:44] Do you guys actually even have a copy of the rules anymore? Right? Well, I mean obviously somebody they do

[01:15:48] Obviously somebody does. Yeah. Yeah, he follows my decrees and faithfully keeps my laws that man is righteous

[01:15:56] He will surely live declares the sovereign lord. His path is probably pretty straight. I'm guessing it's not crooked

[01:16:02] Yeah, but he says that that dude will surely live

[01:16:05] But I mean unless he gets bit by a rattlesnake or gets cancer or dies in a car accident

[01:16:11] Like no, he doesn't surely live. He surely is a nice guy who probably attracts nice people to him and thus

[01:16:19] You know karma

[01:16:21] Helps him, you know the more good that you are the more good unto you. Well, I think what they're trying

[01:16:26] I mean like every once in a while god or you know the bible tries to say that, you know

[01:16:31] He's going to protect those who are good and then they're gonna be

[01:16:34] Given better things and they're gonna do better in life, right?

[01:16:38] And I don't think it's at because there's other points where good people have shitty things happen to them, right?

[01:16:43] So it's not true. It's just a way for them to describe

[01:16:47] Hey, if you do this, you're gonna get rewarded, right?

[01:16:50] And now when you get right down to it, they're if if somebody the good dies

[01:16:53] They're gonna be like, well, they're gonna get rewarded in the afterlife

[01:16:57] Or you know, they're gonna they're gonna make up an excuse on the spot as to why this person died

[01:17:02] And you know somebody else didn't god's ineffable plan

[01:17:06] There is no correct answer. The answer is whatever sounds good in any given chapter is what's going on here, right?

[01:17:11] So so annoying. Yeah, suppose he has a violent son who sheds money

[01:17:16] Or i'm sorry who sheds blood. He doesn't show me. I need to be friends with somebody who's shed money

[01:17:20] No, he sheds blood or does any of these things though the father has done none of them

[01:17:26] He eats at the mountain shrines. Oh, that's a man that damn son. He defiles his neighbor's wife

[01:17:32] Rating wow

[01:17:34] Sounds like he wasn't raised very well, right? I'm just saying I know plenty of good people who did not raise their children very well

[01:17:40] Yeah, you know, yeah, like just because you're a good person doesn't mean you're a good parent quite honestly

[01:17:45] He oppresses the poor and needy. He commits robbery. He does not return what he took in pledge

[01:17:51] He looks to the idols. He does detestable things. He lends that interest and takes a profit

[01:17:58] Will such a man live? I mean

[01:18:01] I don't know he will not

[01:18:03] Okay, all right

[01:18:04] Because I was I wasn't sure what the answer was gonna be because you know could have gone either way really can go either way

[01:18:09] I mean honestly the answer should be don't worry about it. That's between me and him

[01:18:13] Right, right, but no, he's like letting you know no way no way. I always reward the good

[01:18:18] I always punish the bad you should always always always be good and you'll get the rewards

[01:18:23] Right, right. That's what he's trying to say right now. Yeah other times. He's like don't worry about it

[01:18:28] They'll get their dude. They'll get theirs and you'll get yours even if you die before you see it. Yeah, right

[01:18:35] He will not because he has done all these detestable things

[01:18:38] He is to be put to death his blood will be on his own head

[01:18:42] But suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits and those though

[01:18:49] He sees them. He does not do such things. I bet

[01:18:53] Okay, okay, so you're a good kid

[01:18:55] But your parents suck. Well, I have a feeling that this is going to be okay in this chapter

[01:19:00] Maybe I could be wrong

[01:19:01] But like in previous chapters you could be punished up to like 10 generations back

[01:19:06] Yeah, I mean like and maybe even more. I don't know like it was there were some crazy like

[01:19:10] Punishment for the sins of your you know parents parents parents parents parents right and that's what god's saying not no more

[01:19:16] I'm doing okay. Yeah, it's it's individual

[01:19:20] This almost sounds like they were like people were like how can we ever dig out of this?

[01:19:25] Right, and then we're in debt of bad and then as he feels like well

[01:19:29] God's changed his mind. It's better now

[01:19:32] actually

[01:19:35] Okay, so this kid he's so good

[01:19:36] He does not eat at the mountain shrines or look at the idols of israel. He does not fuck his neighbor's wife

[01:19:42] He does not oppress anyone or require a pledge for a loan

[01:19:46] He does not commit robbery. He gives food to the hungry and provides clothing for the naked

[01:19:52] He withholds. I mean we've already read all this. Yeah, good guy, right?

[01:19:55] He's good. Yeah, he withholds his hand from mistreating the poor and takes no interest or profit from them

[01:20:01] He keeps my laws and follows my decrees

[01:20:04] He will not die for his father's sin. He will surely live that's nice

[01:20:11] I gotta wonder changing your mind. I gotta wonder when this changed though

[01:20:14] Like when when was this down? Can I is that the new covenant right?

[01:20:17] Do we believe it this year but not next year like what what is this? How long is this right?

[01:20:21] Yeah, is this just for azekio or does this go on in other books? Is this like one of those like tax?

[01:20:27] Um, what do they call it tax?

[01:20:30] Um holidays or whatever where they like, you know, right give forgive something for a while and then

[01:20:35] Whatever

[01:20:38] Yeah, no, no, but it was like every seven years. They did a thing and then oh no

[01:20:42] I was talking about like in like actual now where they get like tax holidays where you don't have to pay taxes on back taxes

[01:20:48] And stuff that's right. That's right. Okay. So like this is like one of those tax holidays where they're like

[01:20:52] You don't have to pay the the penalties for your father's sins

[01:20:55] But maybe next decade, you know, maybe we might pick it up next day again. We'll revisit this. It's still on the books

[01:21:01] We didn't erase it. We just we just uh erased it for this year. Right. Yeah

[01:21:06] But his father will die for his own sin because he practiced

[01:21:12] Extortion robbed his brother and did what was wrong among his people

[01:21:16] Yet you ask why does the son not share the guilt of his father? No, I don't ask that

[01:21:21] I think finally you saw sense and decided to yeah, it makes great sense

[01:21:28] He presented this from the beginning. Nobody would ask you at all. Right. We thought those other rules were ridiculous

[01:21:33] Yeah, and stupid which they were you were kind of dumb and right doing it wrong

[01:21:39] although although I do recall that I did uh

[01:21:42] some kind of deep dive and that um, it was early on with these smaller tribes and cultures a way of

[01:21:51] um

[01:21:52] Making them more conscientious. It was like pulling them together

[01:21:57] Yeah, and it helped them think about what they were doing before they did it knowing that

[01:22:03] The people around them would be impacted. Okay, so it was like a a way of of

[01:22:09] collective punishment

[01:22:11] collective punishment but also collective

[01:22:14] Thinking out before you do something. I got you know, sure

[01:22:17] So, I mean there was a place for it, but like now they're building cities. It's like no get that shit out of here

[01:22:22] Right, right too many people for that. Yeah, I'm not having it. I got it

[01:22:26] Since the son has done what is just him right and has been careful to keep all my decrees

[01:22:31] He will surely live okay the one who sins is the one who will die boom dead

[01:22:36] Yeah, you fucked on the wrong day asshole

[01:22:39] But I do think it's funny though that is is Ezekiel is just like rewriting the rules

[01:22:43] Yeah, like that's right here right here, you know is he seeing that god's telling him, but I'm not sure about it

[01:22:50] No

[01:22:51] What we are absolutely sure that god is not telling them. Yeah. Oh, yeah

[01:22:55] Like god is not even in question here

[01:22:56] He's fucking re they're rewriting the fucking rules because they want to because these make more sense

[01:23:02] I do wonder though because

[01:23:04] Is it isn't it that Jeremiah came after him and Jeremiah never mentioned slightly

[01:23:10] But Jeremiah never mentioned this rewriting of the rules right because they're not talking to the same god

[01:23:16] Right, they're not talking to any god. Yes

[01:23:19] They're they're talking to themselves and they're coming up like they might have shared some ideas between each other

[01:23:24] And then they went back to their respective cities and um

[01:23:28] Yeah, probably Jeremiah was like dude. What kind of shit are you on over there?

[01:23:33] You know the fucking wheels with the eyeballs and the what yeah

[01:23:36] And you're gonna lay on your side for a year and a half. What what are you doing over there?

[01:23:39] You're rewriting the rules. I'm just trying to be a fucking double agent over here

[01:23:44] And you're being fucking weird man

[01:23:50] The child will not share the guilt of the parent nor will the parent share the guilt of the child

[01:23:55] That was a long-winded say of everybody's responsible for his own fucking actions, right

[01:24:00] The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them

[01:24:08] Great

[01:24:09] Great sounds like a much better plan than they had originally when they were uh doing the

[01:24:15] Long-winded, you know multi-generational punishments. So

[01:24:19] But if a wicked person

[01:24:21] Turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right

[01:24:28] That person will surely live they will not die

[01:24:31] Okay, okay. So again long-winded way of saying everybody's responsible for their own shit, right?

[01:24:37] None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them

[01:24:42] Okay

[01:24:44] Because of the righteous things they have done they will live

[01:24:47] Wait, so they can do offenses, but they're forgiven because they did more because they turned away from the sins

[01:24:54] And then they kept all the so this is maybe like the the beginnings of like the forgiveness for sin and stuff like that

[01:25:01] Interesting. Yeah, we are literally seeing the but if you say sorry right quick before you die

[01:25:07] Then you still get to go to heaven

[01:25:08] It feels you know what the the old testament feels like a negotiation with the people that are

[01:25:13] following this god

[01:25:16] And they're like they're negotiating better ways to be right like they're like well

[01:25:20] We don't like that aspect. So can we change that? Yeah

[01:25:23] And like over time they slowly start changing some of this and it kind of that's how it morphs into what it ends up being

[01:25:30] Right, right

[01:25:31] It really feels like they are just changing things as they go along

[01:25:35] To make it fit better with what society at that given point wants, right?

[01:25:40] This this is very interesting to me

[01:25:42] I

[01:25:43] I have not seen this before right if you say sorry right quick before you die

[01:25:47] You still get to go to heaven and you're good. Yeah. Hey, yeah

[01:25:51] Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked?

[01:25:54] Declare this offer and lord. Yes. The answer is yes. No matter what he says the answer is yes

[01:25:58] Absolutely. Yes. He loves killing people right we have seen that. So yeah, I don't care what he says

[01:26:05] Right. I don't either here we go ready. Yeah, rather am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live

[01:26:12] I'm gonna say you're disappointed because one got away from you being allowed to smite him

[01:26:17] I'm gonna say that you look for reasons to fucking kill people

[01:26:21] When you're not ignoring them all together, right? He's shown joy in finding

[01:26:26] Reasons and ways to kill people it seems like I mean somebody peaked at you when they were trying to

[01:26:31] Carry carry your fucking box that you sat in and you know the box fell and they tried to catch it for you

[01:26:38] And they touched it. Yeah, we're supposed to yeah

[01:26:42] Justice for uza, you know, that's right justice for uza

[01:26:44] Then another couple people peaked inside and you got pissed and smoked them all over the fucking place

[01:26:51] Like what the hell and you're telling me you don't enjoy killing people fuck off with that

[01:26:56] I don't believe you. Yeah, if you don't enjoy killing people don't fucking kill them, right?

[01:27:01] Particularly for dumb reasons. Yeah, I agree

[01:27:05] But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin

[01:27:09] And does the same detestable things the wicked person does will they live?

[01:27:15] Okay, hold on. So there's a good person

[01:27:18] Yeah, but then they start doing bad shit. Okay, will they live? I'm gonna guess no

[01:27:25] None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered

[01:27:29] Oh, so it's a matter of the order you do them in yeah

[01:27:32] So if you're if you're good and then bad you're fucked. Yeah, if you're bad and then good

[01:27:38] We're we're cool

[01:27:39] So that's why you have to live your best life in your 20s and 30s, right?

[01:27:44] And then knuckle down and get serious in your 40s

[01:27:47] Sure, sure

[01:27:48] And I suppose if god forgets to smoke you a couple of times

[01:27:51] You could actually be bad and then good and then bad right and then good and then bad and then good

[01:27:56] But every time every time once you get done being bad, right and then you'd be good

[01:28:02] Every time you're risking bad after that. You're it's

[01:28:06] It's like a Russian roulette. Yeah, I mean you're getting older. You know, you could die any minute

[01:28:11] Right, but technically you could die any minute even when you're younger. No, I know

[01:28:15] I'm just seeing always be bad first right never not be bad

[01:28:20] before you're good

[01:28:22] Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed they'll die

[01:28:29] They will die. Okay

[01:28:31] All right, so you say god. Yeah this this time this time

[01:28:35] Yet you say the way of the lord is not just

[01:28:39] I mean sometimes I do say that. Yeah, because I don't think it is some even in Ezekiel. It's been not just

[01:28:45] Yeah, so yeah, yeah hear you is realites is my way unjust

[01:28:50] Is it not your ways that are unjust?

[01:28:54] If a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin

[01:28:57] They will die for it because of the sin they have committed they will die. Okay. Okay. Hold on

[01:29:02] This fucker is literally talking about them committing sin, right? Which could be any number of it could be fucking your wife on her period

[01:29:09] You're gonna die. Right. That's one of the you're gonna die

[01:29:11] Right, but the punishment is him murdering you. Yes. God is going to murder you

[01:29:17] I'm gonna kill you for fucking your wife on her period. I'm gonna fuck you

[01:29:20] I'm gonna fucking kill you

[01:29:22] If you are having sex with your wife on her period and they have the fucking nerve to call this

[01:29:29] Sin and morality and and what yeah, you're going to murder me for doing this thing not not correct me not

[01:29:37] Teach me

[01:29:39] But murder me but but even if you taught me

[01:29:43] Like hey, I don't like it that you're fucking your wife on her period. Right um

[01:29:48] so

[01:29:49] I didn't ask you to watch you're not involved

[01:29:52] I wasn't talking to you about it except when you asked right. Yeah, even then I was kind of like hesitant because it's like none of your

[01:29:59] Goddamn business

[01:30:01] You're the one worried about it me and my husband were fine. So why are you worried about?

[01:30:07] Why do you even need to worry about me on my period?

[01:30:10] That was one of your favorite sayings when we first got together is like

[01:30:13] Why do other people need to know what's going on in other people's pants?

[01:30:16] Yes, right like it doesn't that that has no bearing on anybody what I do with my vagina

[01:30:22] What goes in and out of it in a consensual relationship has no bearing on anybody else. Yes

[01:30:27] I don't understand. They are so concerned about people's vaginas and penises

[01:30:33] Very much so like into a very gross fashion. It really is like don't if it's consensual

[01:30:40] Don't fucking worry about it, right

[01:30:42] Oh, yeah, I mean we can have a discussion maybe about the age of consent

[01:30:48] I think that is a discussion. Yeah, you know, right. Um, I don't think that

[01:30:53] Um, a 14 year old is old enough to consent. No, I 100 percent agree a 17 year old

[01:31:00] I don't understand how suddenly their next day's their birthday and they're magically old enough to consent

[01:31:05] But I also recognize that we have to pick a line and and start somewhere. Yeah, sure

[01:31:12] So I I don't know

[01:31:14] But that's a discussion, right? We can have what is the age of consent

[01:31:18] But even that's a discussion too. Like do we really have to pick an age? Could it be more about, you know, in a futuristic society where we determine things by

[01:31:26] some sort of a

[01:31:28] genetic marker that's in different people that mature at different times or

[01:31:33] um, or a psychological marker that we have the ability to, you know, like

[01:31:38] Because we're having the discussion of age now in this period because 18 is the best

[01:31:43] Overall consensus we can come to with regard to age of consent, right? Yeah, and

[01:31:49] But that doesn't mean that that will always be the case because we might know more about

[01:31:53] Psychology or we might know more about, you know, different things in the future for that matter

[01:31:56] We know that dudes brains don't stop fucking growing until they're 25

[01:32:00] So maybe a dude can't actually consent to certain things till he's 25. There you go. How the fuck do I know?

[01:32:06] I knew you know that there are some 25 year olds

[01:32:09] I would not give my keys to because they shouldn't be driving a goddamn car

[01:32:15] You know, right? Whereas my kid has been responsible enough to be driving since they were 15

[01:32:22] 16 16. Well, they had their permanent

[01:32:26] Yeah, that's that's true. I'm just saying they took the rules and the learning very seriously and are still

[01:32:33] One of the few people that I

[01:32:36] Don't mind being a passenger in the car, right? You know, right?

[01:32:39] Like they drive very safe and we know that they do it even when we're not in the car because

[01:32:45] We've got one of those devices that like monitors. Yeah driving right on the car

[01:32:49] And it comes back 100 every week literally without us harping on it at all

[01:32:55] Yeah, mostly that thing is in the car because it calls 911 automatically if they get into an accident

[01:32:59] And that's so seriously our only major concern like not spying on the kid or anything

[01:33:05] Right, right who want them to be safe? Yeah, and they are the my point being my 19 year old is a lot more responsible and trustworthy and reliable

[01:33:16] than a lot of other people who are older or younger. So I don't know

[01:33:22] What the age of consent for many things should or shouldn't be

[01:33:27] I do know it's not the same across the board and I do know that in my goddamn

[01:33:32] 40s if I'm on my period and want to fuck my husband

[01:33:35] It's not a fucking sin and I should not be made to feel guilty for it nor should my husband

[01:33:39] Right, right should not be made to feel unclean and disgusting and horrible and gross like

[01:33:45] I would never have mentioned it had it not come up. Yeah, honestly

[01:33:49] I'd rather not right we end up having to discuss some really weird shit because of the bible

[01:33:54] I hate the bible. You know, I hate it. It's crazy. I I never thought I would be on a goddamn podcast publicly speaking about

[01:34:01] Sex on my period because of the bible because of the fucking bible

[01:34:06] And they're telling me that this guy could be good all his life

[01:34:08] But then he fucks his wife while she's on her period and nope. He's a sinner. He's dead. Yeah

[01:34:14] Yeah, that's bullshit. It is

[01:34:17] But if a wicked person turns away from the wickedness they have committed and does what is just him, right?

[01:34:22] They will save their life doesn't the fact that they have time to turn away from the wickedness

[01:34:28] kind of

[01:34:29] Take away from the idea that he's going to kill people that do wicked things

[01:34:32] Yeah, I mean you're obviously not going to take that action right away

[01:34:36] Yeah, you're going to take it whenever you what feel like it. I mean, what's

[01:34:40] What do we get it? Can we get a time frame? Like what's the deal?

[01:34:42] What do you mean by dad?

[01:34:43] Do you mean their soul's going to die because clearly their body doesn't right?

[01:34:46] Do you mean that like at some point when they die they

[01:34:50] They don't go to like whatever your after party is right like what does that mean exactly?

[01:34:56] Yeah, because that's a good point. It's not like they die right away, right?

[01:35:00] Because they consider all the offenses they have committed and turn away from them that person will surely live

[01:35:06] They will not die

[01:35:08] And see this is a reason that I can't be a christian because there are things that even if I started to believe in a god

[01:35:15] Yeah, and in an afterlife somehow let's say that those things happen

[01:35:19] Sure

[01:35:19] There are things that people would want me to feel guilty for that. I don't that right led to the person that I am

[01:35:28] Right, I mean, I think that understanding and accepting who you were

[01:35:33] Is a large part of being a healthy human being right and to

[01:35:38] despair to to shame yourself for the things in your past

[01:35:42] Is not healthy. I think that's a large part of why

[01:35:45] Excuse me

[01:35:47] Religion in general not just christianity, but religion in general is an unhealthy practice because it makes people

[01:35:55] Feel shameful about things that they have done or did or are going to do even like that don't necessarily require that much shame

[01:36:04] And maybe they did do bad things

[01:36:06] I don't know but is there a point at which like you grow from it, right?

[01:36:11] Like

[01:36:12] None of the things that I did I I think are things that are bad

[01:36:16] But the bible might right and

[01:36:19] I don't think that that's a fair discussion. You know, it's not right as far as you and I are concerned

[01:36:25] It's not it isn't a discussion right it is, you know our choices as human beings and you know

[01:36:32] We we have grown from who we were in the past and

[01:36:37] We don't and we we are happy with who we are. Yeah, you know and that's including the bits about who we were right?

[01:36:43] So

[01:36:44] I'm fine with who I was, you know, I've never had to ask you for forgiveness

[01:36:49] And nor have you had to ask me for forgiveness for

[01:36:52] Things that we did or said or were or

[01:36:56] I've always kind of been in the opinion that if you like especially even with a partner, right?

[01:37:00] If you have to apologize constantly

[01:37:02] To that partner or person in your life for things that you did in your past

[01:37:07] That's not a good relationship. No, that's not the person for you. Right?

[01:37:10] That's that's an unhealthy relationship in my opinion, right?

[01:37:13] Right, so yeah, and it feels like this is kind of the same relationship people have with God

[01:37:18] Yes, you're constantly apologizing for things in your past, you know

[01:37:21] And things in your future and things in your presently you're always a never not be apologizing

[01:37:28] Right always fear the Lord never not be apologizing. Yeah, like gosh

[01:37:33] When do you find time to sleep?

[01:37:36] And how are you not like always depressed and trying to kill yourself from the misery that this god puts on you? Right? No, it's it's

[01:37:44] It's not good. It's not healthy, right yet

[01:37:47] The israelites say the way of the Lord is not just

[01:37:51] Are my ways unjust people of israel?

[01:37:55] Is it not your ways that are unjust?

[01:37:58] You just said that they say it's unjust. This is the equivalent of i'm not ugly you are

[01:38:04] Right, right? Yeah, like no, uh

[01:38:06] Like oh good argument god good one

[01:38:10] Therefore you israelites i will judge each of you according to your own ways

[01:38:16] I feel like if you're a god you wouldn't really actually have to argue with anybody right you you

[01:38:21] Literally could just make those judgments and then make them happen, right like the way you want them to be done, right?

[01:38:26] Only that doesn't happen

[01:38:27] So we're having a hypothetical argument between israelites and the prophet who is relaying the message of god

[01:38:34] That's this it's dumb

[01:38:36] He's like y'all need to behave because god's gonna getcha right they're like is he though and he's like

[01:38:42] No, he really is and they're like

[01:38:44] I don't know about all this because there's some really stupid rules and he's like, okay, which one show me

[01:38:50] And and then they're like well, what about this one? And then you know, azik is like all right. That's fair

[01:38:55] That's fair. Let me let me go think about it. I got i mean talk to god

[01:38:58] I gotta go right and then he comes back and he's like okay. I thought about it

[01:39:02] I mean god talked to me and this is what I mean. He decided right. Yeah, like get over yourself guy

[01:39:09] right all right, so uh

[01:39:11] I will judge each of you according to your own ways declares the sovereign lord

[01:39:15] Repent turn away from all your offenses

[01:39:19] Then sin will not be your downfall if you just don't sin then you won't sin

[01:39:24] Yeah, I mean that you just stop making total sense and you're not being a sinner. It's true. My god. It's that simple

[01:39:32] Read yourselves of all the offenses you have committed and get a new heart and a new spirit

[01:39:38] Just go get one

[01:39:39] They're always on sale at walmart. You can just pick up a new heart and a new spirit

[01:39:45] I don't recommend getting them at dollar general because then you're getting a discount heart. Right. I also don't recommend

[01:39:51] Yeah, those are hard off

[01:39:55] I don't recommend ordering them from amazon because you might get a used one that somebody

[01:40:01] Um, you know sent back in a sealed box at the very least ups kicked it around some

[01:40:06] Yeah, yeah, you know, so, you know just go to the store get one get a new heart and a new spirit

[01:40:12] Yeah, will why will you die people of israel?

[01:40:16] Um, generally old age or tragedy. Yeah, generally generally. Yeah, I'm just saying

[01:40:22] For I take no pleasure in the death of everyone of anyone

[01:40:26] Sorry for I take no pleasure in the death of anyone declares the sovereign lord

[01:40:32] repent and live

[01:40:34] That's a christian statement. If I ever heard one right repent and live. Yeah

[01:40:40] Oh, they borrowed heavily from these prophets. I tell you the new testament. Yeah. Yeah, it feels like it

[01:40:46] It's gross. I mean, I've never read the new testament, but like there it feels like you hear the christians walking around saying this

[01:40:53] Shit. Yeah, no, it's definitely stuff that I am aware of that exists in christianity. Yeah. Yeah

[01:40:59] Repent and live. Yeah

[01:41:01] All right, that's the end. Oh that was the end. That's the end. Oh, okay

[01:41:05] He does not like to kill people

[01:41:08] And I don't believe that but apparently yeah, I had a thought as we were kind of wrapping this chapter up

[01:41:13] Um, and it revolved around the idea of the prophets

[01:41:18] Okay, and how you know, there's all these false prophets out there, right?

[01:41:21] Yes

[01:41:21] So this was just more of like a thought that this has nothing to do with

[01:41:24] Exactly with the chapter that we just read but it's more to do with the fact that we've been reading prophets for three books now, right?

[01:41:31] and so

[01:41:33] It feels to me like prophets are essentially what a pastor or priest would be today, right?

[01:41:38] And

[01:41:39] It strikes me that

[01:41:41] them reciting what

[01:41:43] God told them is essentially the same thing as the pastor creating his sermon

[01:41:49] Right. Just making shit up. Yeah, but but to

[01:41:52] To

[01:41:53] Lended authority. They say this is what God told me. Yes, right? Yes. I feel like that's all this is

[01:42:00] Right. This is just

[01:42:01] essentially pastors or priests

[01:42:04] Walking around getting their sermon together and saying

[01:42:07] This is what God told me but only saying that because it lends authority to what they're saying. Yes, and that's all this is

[01:42:13] Yeah, it's just a fucking sermon

[01:42:16] and

[01:42:17] Yeah, so I these are people they're

[01:42:20] Regardless of what we're talking about it's people writing this shit and a lot of it is just terrible

[01:42:25] This particularly was a bad chapter. I mean we feel like we say that all the time

[01:42:31] I mean, yeah

[01:42:32] So I don't I don't know that this one is was any worse

[01:42:35] I mean there was the chapter 14 where I fucking went off because he was talking about mass murder

[01:42:41] Multiple different ways to mass murder people. He was dreaming about like I could kill him this way

[01:42:46] I could kill him that way. Right. You don't know I could stuff marshmallows down their throats and let them choke on that

[01:42:53] You don't know for fuck's sake. I mean it's just it's crazy. Yeah

[01:42:56] All right. Well, that was ezekiel chapter 18 sure as fuck was and we will be back tomorrow with

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[01:44:18] Wife do you remember what happened yesterday and where the hell we are today?

[01:44:24] Well yesterday we read Ezekiel chapter 18. We sure as fuck did and in that chapter

[01:44:30] We actually were introduced to a new concept in the old testament that we hadn't come across before which was

[01:44:37] Personal responsibility and not being punished for other people's sins

[01:44:41] As in the sins of our fathers right? Yeah, which visited upon us. It was very jesus-y

[01:44:48] sounding like what the fuck is happening right and i'm like

[01:44:52] Okay

[01:44:53] So all of a sudden as Ezekiel gets this new message from god and is like

[01:44:58] So no more, you know 10 generational punishment things going on right and i'm like

[01:45:04] Did you just rewrite the bible zeke? Right? Yeah, what's going on? I feel like enough people complained and they're like

[01:45:11] You need to change that bit and they're like, okay

[01:45:14] Whatever whatever will meet you will be god and ski we from the idols man

[01:45:19] But it's god god's supposed to be infallible, right? Unchangeable. Yeah, and and yet this is a big one

[01:45:25] Yeah, it's huge. It is pretty huge and again

[01:45:28] Like it's it's so big that it's like the whole difference between the old testament and the new testament, right?

[01:45:34] Yeah, except for that here it isn't as Ezekiel

[01:45:36] Right, it just threw me off guard. I wasn't expecting to come across it yet

[01:45:39] I was waiting for the new testament, right? You know, yeah, but it's right there very strange crazy

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[01:47:13] We just got done reading a zikiel chapter 17. No 18. Jesus. I'm sorry

[01:47:20] 18 yes, and which means that today we're getting into a zikiel chapter 19. All right, let's do this oki-doki

[01:47:37] All right, here we are hopping into easy kyle chapter 19 whereas I like to call it zikiel chapter 19

[01:47:44] Big e here we go. All right

[01:47:47] Um, I believe we're gonna be reading a

[01:47:49] Lamentation what the what's up with this? We're doing proverbs and and uh,

[01:47:54] Psalms and parables and

[01:47:56] Lamentations and there's a lot of little weird crap going on in this chapter. It's so old testament

[01:48:04] With a new testament font. Yeah, right. Yeah, like there's all kind of this is all kind of like a zikiel is definitely

[01:48:11] One of the weirder

[01:48:13] Books, yeah read thus far because it's like what everybody accused

[01:48:18] Nickelback of being like all over the page couldn't pick a style and just stick to it right right like

[01:48:26] When I woke up one day and everybody hated nickleback. I was like why what happened?

[01:48:32] And everybody was like no, we've always hated them because they can't pick a style there. They just

[01:48:38] One song has nothing to do with the next and they can't pick a style

[01:48:42] And I was like, but that's cool

[01:48:44] And I didn't get that memo. Yeah, and I still like nickleback. So fuck off. But anyway

[01:48:51] Yeah, zikiel is just like I don't know what I'm writing. So I'm gonna just throw everything at you and

[01:48:57] Hope some spaghetti sticks to the wall right right very weird. Yeah take up a lament

[01:49:03] concerning the princes of israel

[01:49:06] And say

[01:49:07] Okay, ready. I'm ready. We got some parable shit coming up great. Yeah, I can't wait

[01:49:12] What a lioness was your mother among the lions

[01:49:16] She laid down among them and reared her cubs. I have some notes

[01:49:20] Okay, she brought up one of her cubs and he became a strong lion

[01:49:25] He learned to tear the prey and he became a man eater

[01:49:29] The nations heard about him and he was trapped in their pit

[01:49:33] They led him with hooks to the land of egypt

[01:49:36] All I could think of as that last sentence you read just completely went through my brain without processing because

[01:49:43] The only thing that was going through my brain was oh here. She comes watch out boys. She'll chew

[01:49:50] Oh here she comes. She's a man eater. She's a man eater

[01:49:54] Yeah

[01:49:55] When she saw her hope unfulfilled her expectation gone because you know, they

[01:50:01] Took him away to egypt right she took another of her cubs and made him a strong lion

[01:50:06] Okay, he prowled among the lions for he was now a strong lion

[01:50:11] He learned to tear the prey and he became a man eater. That's look out boys. Yeah, she'll chew you up

[01:50:17] Yeah, he broke down their strongholds and devastated their towns the land and all who were in it were terrified by his

[01:50:25] Riding

[01:50:27] Are we talking about this is israel we're talking about right or juda or something?

[01:50:31] So what was happening?

[01:50:32] Stop and why don't I just uh read some notes. Yeah that yeah, I'm sure okay

[01:50:38] So although the prophet realized that god's judgment on the sinful people of juda was fitting

[01:50:45] He felt sorry for those judaean kings who fell victim to foreign invaders

[01:50:51] Okay, okay juda. He's comparing juda

[01:50:55] To be like a mother lion whose young lions became kings to rollover nations

[01:51:01] Okay, okay. Yeah, however when egypt in 609 bce gained control of the region

[01:51:08] jahoa has

[01:51:10] Who succeeded his father josia as king of jerusalem for three months? Sure

[01:51:14] Okay, and remember we like josia. He was the good boy

[01:51:18] Okay, he tried to do away with all the idols in the high places right right? Yeah, but then he was replaced by jahoa has

[01:51:24] His son was deposed by ferro nico the second of egypt

[01:51:29] Right, he was captured bound and taken to egypt where he later died

[01:51:33] So that was the first lion that they were referring to okay

[01:51:36] Okay, the next quote unquote lion had all the fierce and aggressive characteristics of juda's

[01:51:43] Next king wakim

[01:51:46] Okay, okay, right

[01:51:48] So then in verse five where it says when she saw her hope

[01:51:52] Unfulfilled her expectation gone. She took another of her cubs and made him a strong lion, right?

[01:51:58] Yeah, it's like what's all these lions what but here's the thing

[01:52:02] Two of the last four kings of juda

[01:52:05] jahoa has and zedekaya

[01:52:07] Yeah, we're born of the same mother

[01:52:10] hamutel and the same father king josia

[01:52:14] Interesting like i didn't really realize that somehow no i didn't either they were like full blood brothers, right?

[01:52:19] So that's what it means like

[01:52:22] basically not just israel but the mother

[01:52:27] um

[01:52:28] Saw one of her sons get made king and then fucked up and then so she put the next one on the throne

[01:52:35] As the next lion, okay, all right and wakim

[01:52:40] died not in a foreign country, but in jerusalem his son and successor

[01:52:46] wakina

[01:52:49] Was captured and taken prisoner to babalon and although wakina

[01:52:54] Reigned only three months. He showed he had the same evil characteristics as his father

[01:52:59] Okay, okay. Yeah now

[01:53:01] In verse nine where it says with hooks they pulled him into a cage and brought him to the king of babalon

[01:53:08] They put him in prison. So his roar was heard no longer on the mountains of israel. Okay

[01:53:13] That's the fate of zedekaya the last king of juda who was appointed as a king in jerusalem in

[01:53:20] 597 bce by nebuchadnezzar the second of babalon to replace

[01:53:26] wakina

[01:53:27] But who later rebelled and was captured and brought before nebuchadnezzar and ribla where one his family was killed

[01:53:35] Like his sons were killed before yeah, and two

[01:53:38] He was made blind and then three he was taken as prisoner to babalon until his death

[01:53:43] Got it. Okay. So this is all just talking about those fucking kings. Well, I I mean that's that's all well and good

[01:53:49] I guess but like um

[01:53:51] I feel like there's not a lot of love lost between the kings and god in previous

[01:53:58] Versions of what they did. Yeah, like I mean yes, some of them did some good things according to god

[01:54:03] But they all did bad things also that pretty much except for maybe like uh, joe's

[01:54:09] Josiah was good. I think all the way tilly

[01:54:12] But like the rest of them there were some issues right like they did they weren't perfect

[01:54:16] So like what is this pining over lost kings? I don't understand it. It's not like pining

[01:54:23] Over the kings themselves. It's pining over

[01:54:27] Judah having lost their kings

[01:54:31] Having lost their way and thus lost their kings. Okay, and it's it's more about

[01:54:38] um a leaderless people

[01:54:41] And watching like we keep having these kings go up and

[01:54:46] Either, you know be killed or do evil in the sight of the lord and you know

[01:54:52] Our kings can't get their shit together and this just sucks. So it's almost like god's acknowledging that um,

[01:54:58] Israel had bad elite bad leadership

[01:55:00] But let us never forget though that in judges they chose to have their own kings

[01:55:07] Yeah, that's what the whole kings and chronicles was about sure. So god's like yeah, but you guys did this to your fucking selves

[01:55:16] So he's like you have bad leaders because

[01:55:20] your leaders are human and

[01:55:23] Look, this sounds like I am like a bible scholar like explaining the bible to you and like I

[01:55:29] Understand it because I believe it and that is exactly not the case. No, I I understand what you're saying

[01:55:35] Like I get what you're saying. I and

[01:55:38] I don't know how I feel about that because I also know that god has talked about in the bible

[01:55:43] You know that he is able to change people's hearts. He's able to make things happen

[01:55:48] You know, he he's all knowing knows everything's going to happen

[01:55:52] Whatever

[01:55:55] But he

[01:55:57] He doesn't do those things like instead he

[01:56:00] Less things happen to the point where he has to kill off most of his people right and

[01:56:05] Including like he was talking about killing children, you know, like I mean, I it's bullshit. It's bullshit. No totally totally

[01:56:11] but this is mostly um

[01:56:15] What's his name? Ezekiel talking. Okay. So all right. Well that makes a little better sense. I guess yeah

[01:56:20] I mean he's like talking about

[01:56:23] You know

[01:56:24] The kings having not been the wisest choice and not done what they were supposed to do and leaving the people

[01:56:32] Yeah a mess. Okay. So whatever sure

[01:56:35] Okay, so then the nations came against him that second lion

[01:56:38] Those from regions round about they spread their net for him and he was trapped in their pit with hooks

[01:56:44] They pulled them into a cage and brought them to the king of Babylon

[01:56:47] They put them in prison. So his roar was heard no longer on the mountains of israel

[01:56:51] So my notes got a little bit ahead. But but that

[01:56:55] Still shed light on it. Yeah, right. So now we're caught up to the notes that I had

[01:56:59] Okay

[01:57:01] So

[01:57:02] Now we're going on your mother was like a vine in your vineyard planted by the water

[01:57:07] So, I mean we're going back to the comparison to vines and yeah

[01:57:12] Trubs and branches and shit, right? It was fruitful and full of branches because of abundant water

[01:57:19] Its branches were strong fit for a ruler's scepter

[01:57:23] It towered high above the thick foliage

[01:57:26] Conspicuous for its height and for its many branches

[01:57:30] But it was uprooted infuri and thrown to the ground

[01:57:34] The east wind made it shrivel. So that would be you know invaders from the east

[01:57:39] It was stripped of its fruit its strong branches withered and consumed them

[01:57:44] Now it is planted in the desert in a dry thirsty land

[01:57:49] Fire spread from one of its main branches and consumed its fruit

[01:57:53] No strong branches left on it fit for a ruler scepter

[01:57:57] This is a lament and is to be used as a lament the end

[01:58:02] Make sure you use this as a better use this as a mother fucking lament if you don't use it as a lament

[01:58:08] It wouldn't be a lament. So right that would be tragic. I think this is not a fucking knock knock joke over here guys

[01:58:15] Don't do it

[01:58:16] Okay. Yeah, this is not what the party clown is going to recite to the kids birthday. Right. Okay. Yeah

[01:58:23] This is don't do it right. Okay. This is not a graduation speech. No, this is not a doctorate

[01:58:31] dissertation

[01:58:32] No, okay, this is not a state of the union addressed by the president right right, okay

[01:58:37] I'm telling you all the things. It's not it's not a driver's license. Nope. Yeah

[01:58:42] So these are all the things it's not but it is definitely a lament. It's a fucking lament y'all

[01:58:48] So, you know use it as a lament. Yeah, definitely. So just to um finish up where we were

[01:58:54] Um, juda is pictured also as a strong healthy vine and her kings as beautiful

[01:59:00] branches of that vine

[01:59:02] Okay, okay, and the vine then withers and has taken along with its last rightful king

[01:59:08] And that would have been wakin

[01:59:12] Not its last king. It's last rightful king. Okay. All right fair enough. I know because we were both like wait a minute

[01:59:18] There's Zedekaya, right? Yeah. Yeah into the dry and thirsty land of Babylon

[01:59:23] And then back in Jerusalem the king appointed by Babylon proved to be a fire who destroyed the little that remained of the vine

[01:59:31] That's Zedekaya

[01:59:33] Okay, though through Zedekaya both the nation and the Davidic line of kings came to an end

[01:59:39] and I still say

[01:59:42] A little bit of justice for Zedekaya. He was in a no win situation

[01:59:46] There was no way as a puppet king trying to make more than one party happy and stave off

[01:59:54] Invasions from all sides right and I think he was never gonna make

[01:59:58] A good leader. No, and I think he did attempt, you know, we're based on our reading of the bible

[02:00:03] He did attempt a couple of times to kind of kind of take the

[02:00:06] Israeli side of the the conflict between Babylon and Israel

[02:00:11] You know and and it didn't work out so well for him no matter what he did

[02:00:15] Right people either didn't like him for taking Babylon side or Babylon fought against him for taking

[02:00:20] Right, you know Judah's side, right exactly and I mean let's not forget this whole time

[02:00:26] The kings just before him had been either placed on the throne or

[02:00:32] Been killed by Egypt

[02:00:33] So the same time that he's dealing with fucking Babylon and he's got Jeremiah this goddamn

[02:00:40] Double agent running around fucking shit up. He's also

[02:00:44] Legit still dealing with Egypt, right? You know, yeah, like let's not pretend that it was only Babylon

[02:00:50] Right, right. So, you know, are you guys gonna help us? Are you guys our friends? Yes? Oh, but no. Oh, yeah

[02:00:57] Oh, but no, right. Yeah, so I mean, I just feel like he's got a bum rap here

[02:01:03] I mean, yeah, like he said it was not he it couldn't have been easy

[02:01:06] There was there was nothing he could have done. Yeah, so I

[02:01:09] I just think that is shitty to say like Zedekiah fucked that up

[02:01:13] Did he or was it just a shitty situation? Right?

[02:01:16] Like he walked into a shitty. It was a definitely a shitty situation

[02:01:19] Yeah, for sure. And also since he was placed there by Babylon. I think it's really shitty to be like

[02:01:26] Oh my god, he was totally doing what Babylon wanted. Like, yeah, no kidding

[02:01:33] Babylon put him there. What was he supposed to do? It's fucking

[02:01:38] Judah against goddamn Babylon with the Chaldeans and all the other Assyrians and shit, right, you know

[02:01:46] Fuck off. I'm sorry. I just have a lot of sympathy for him. Yeah. No, I got it. Yeah

[02:01:50] So, okay, we're done with that though. Awesome. All right. Well, so that was uh, Ezekiel chapter 19

[02:01:56] Yes, it sure as fuck was and don't forget to use it as a lament

[02:02:00] It's it's gonna be a lament guys. I just lamented but was angry. I don't know

[02:02:06] Um, you know decide for yourself if anger can be an element

[02:02:12] I I sure yeah, maybe. I mean did I do it wrong? I don't know you decide

[02:02:18] But we'll let them yeah

[02:02:21] Let us know. All right. Thank thanks for joining us tonight guys. That was Ezekiel chapter 19

[02:02:27] And we will be back tomorrow with

[02:02:30] Um, well, I have a question for you. Oh, we're the oh tomorrow is saturday. Yeah

[02:02:36] So are we gonna go ahead and do Ezekiel chapter 20?

[02:02:41] Or are we gonna do a q&a over four chapters?

[02:02:45] Or are we gonna do both? Are we gonna?

[02:02:48] Um, do the q&a on sunday instead of saturday because it's a book club

[02:02:54] I honestly don't know. Um, so we'll have to discuss that

[02:02:58] But I think maybe we only did four chapters like you said

[02:03:02] So maybe what we could do and we did you know, we kind of covered this chapter that we just did today

[02:03:07] So that only really leaves us with like three chapters to cover

[02:03:10] So what if we did like the you know

[02:03:12] Ezekiel chapter 20 with like a little bit more of a q&a at the end of it or something

[02:03:16] Okay, that might make some sense, right? Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. I mean

[02:03:21] The sunday is normally a book club

[02:03:24] Um, because we did a patreon last weekend

[02:03:26] So I don't mind if we need to skip out on the book club this week

[02:03:30] Then that might make we'll talk about it. This is this is how we plan. Yeah, we're planning right now here on the year

[02:03:36] That's the smart way to do it. So you are hearing us

[02:03:39] Figure out what the fuck I'm sure you guys love this bit where we plan what we're doing the next day

[02:03:44] And at the end of the week because we're like we literally don't know when we're sitting here planning it

[02:03:48] While you're we're wasting your drive to work

[02:03:51] Yeah, or whatever you're doing your exercise routine or you know your morning cup of coffee

[02:03:55] You're sitting here listening to us plan our fucking podcast

[02:03:57] No, what you're listening to is us admitting that we do not have our shit together and we know not what we do

[02:04:04] Right, right. Yeah

[02:04:06] Forgive us regardless

[02:04:07] We will be back tomorrow with something right that is correct. That is a fact

[02:04:12] Yeah, so that being said we'll see you guys tomorrow with something

[02:04:21] Husband wife do you remember what happened yesterday and where the hell we are today?

[02:04:27] Well, yesterday we read azekiel chapter 19. We sure as fuck did and it was a lament

[02:04:32] It was and we're gonna we're gonna make sure we tell people that it's a lament because it's a lament

[02:04:37] The last line was make sure you know that this is a lament and use it as a lament

[02:04:41] Yeah, because that's what you do when uh when there's a lamentation, right and there was there was um lions in it

[02:04:48] Lamenting lions

[02:04:51] Lions who lament yes, yes, and I think we also covered uh

[02:04:56] Vines again or something too. Yeah, there was there was vines in there. So vines lions and it was a lament

[02:05:01] Lions and vines and laments. Oh my yeah. Yeah, I it is what it was, you know, it is what it was

[02:05:10] That was azekiel chapter 19. Yes, and obviously we've decided to um do our

[02:05:16] Regular run today. We're gonna do a uh an episode but before we get into

[02:05:20] Saying which episode we're doing which i'm sure you've all guessed by now. Which one of this we're doing

[02:05:24] It's the next one. But it's the next one. Yeah, um, but before we do that

[02:05:27] I we've got a special shout out to do today

[02:05:30] And no one really knows that we're doing this

[02:05:33] So like this is just going to be a surprise and hopefully those who listen regularly, which I think a lot of these people do

[02:05:40] Um, we'll get to hear this so I

[02:05:43] As many of you know, we're in the midst of a drive on patreon to reach a 400 per month level

[02:05:49] And I wanted to take a minute to shout out some of our all time

[02:05:54] top contributors. Oh, okay, these folks have

[02:05:57] Really, I mean

[02:05:59] They're they're making this easier for you all to have a to have a

[02:06:04] Wonderful podcast that is here and doing the things that we're doing so you should give them a big

[02:06:10] Applaud, yeah, so everybody that i'm gonna list off here

[02:06:13] Over the lifetime of their membership has given over 150 to our podcast holy moly. Yes. Um, so number one on the list is natalie

[02:06:21] Aw, thank you natalie. Thank you natalie. Natalie. Um, also, we know her as witch of endor

[02:06:27] Which is so great when when she uh decided to change her name on to that

[02:06:33] It was like that was fantastic because we had just covered witch of endor and it was so great

[02:06:37] So yeah, that was that was awesome

[02:06:39] Um, the next person on the list is lindsay d

[02:06:43] Lindsay, thank you. Yep, and lindsay

[02:06:45] I remember we reached she uh reached out to me on twitter and she was doing a

[02:06:50] Bible side by side bubble bible study with another like christian bible study and she really appreciated what we were doing

[02:06:55] So I really appreciate what you've done for us. So thank you so much. Lindsay. Thank you

[02:07:00] Next on the list is conrad d

[02:07:03] Conrad

[02:07:05] place in my heart

[02:07:06] Conrad actually came down to visit us at a live event that we had

[02:07:11] He drove from michigan to ohio. Yeah, it was fantastic and we still have a picture of conrad right by our podcasting

[02:07:19] Area area. Yeah. Yes. Thank you conrad. Thank you conrad

[02:07:24] Next on the list is deon deon

[02:07:27] We love deon deon. We don't see enough of deon. No deon

[02:07:30] He was he was popping up on a discord quite a bit

[02:07:33] We'd haven't seen him around quite as much so we'd love to see around more deon

[02:07:37] Yes, thank you so much. Thank you so much for everything you've done for us. It's been fantastic

[02:07:42] Yes, and by the way, I'm listening these from um lowest amount to highest amount. So our number one contributor

[02:07:48] Um coming in at three hundred seventy five dollars so far to date is

[02:07:53] Douglas t

[02:07:54] Douglas, thank you. Yeah. Thank you so much. Um, I

[02:07:59] Douglas is on um facebook mostly what so I see them on there. They've also popped on the discord

[02:08:04] So we've had quite a few conversations over time and I have not exchanged

[02:08:08] We'll see you need commentary with Douglas. I told you you needed to get on um this court more so I do and I apologize

[02:08:15] I will do that right. I I feel like I owe you

[02:08:19] Thank you so much. Yeah, so uh those are our top contributors all time

[02:08:25] And I just wanted to take a moment to thank you guys profusely for what you have done for our podcast

[02:08:30] Thank you so much from the bottom of our hearts. Absolutely amazing. Yes, so unbelievable

[02:08:35] Yeah, that being said we just got done yesterday reading azekiel chapter 19

[02:08:40] And today we're gonna be getting into azekiel chapter 20. All right, let's do this oki-doki

[02:08:56] All right, we are hopping into azekiel or as I like to call them easy kyle chapter 20

[02:09:03] That is correct

[02:09:04] And we're gonna start off with a date hang with me. I will give you what that date is. Okay. All right

[02:09:10] in the seventh year

[02:09:12] In the fifth month on the tenth day

[02:09:16] Some of the elders of israel came to inquire of the lord and those fuckers sat down in front of me

[02:09:23] Isekiel. Yeah, okay. Me is even like they do this a lot. They do

[02:09:27] um, let's see that

[02:09:30] date is

[02:09:33] Scroll scroll scroll

[02:09:35] It is somewhere in

[02:09:38] July or august of 591 bce. Okay. All right. Yep. So just so like six years after the second round of

[02:09:47] Exiles, I could not tell you because I don't retain dates

[02:09:51] 597 was the first exile or the second exile. Okay. I will take your word for it

[02:09:57] Then the word of the lord came to me. Okay. Yeah. So while these fuckers are like

[02:10:03] Is he gonna float off to Jerusalem this time or is he gonna stay put?

[02:10:06] Um, god's gonna go off. Oh according to the notes that I see I read that should be fun

[02:10:12] Son of man. You have mere human. Yeah worm speak to the elders of israel and say to them fuckers

[02:10:19] This is what the sovereign lord says. Okay. Have you come to inquire of me?

[02:10:25] As surely as I live I will not let you inquire of me

[02:10:29] Declare as the sovereign lord

[02:10:32] Okay, why?

[02:10:34] Um, will you judge them? Will you judge them son of man?

[02:10:38] You mere human will you judge them son of man?

[02:10:41] You fucking worm. Okay, then confront them with the detestable practices of their ancestors and say to them

[02:10:48] He's like, can you even believe of the the nerve of these motherfuckers right here?

[02:10:53] Yeah

[02:10:54] Coming in asking me stupid questions

[02:10:56] Right because because y'all are you you aren't gonna confront like he's talking to them because they're other

[02:11:01] Profitie type people I guess right or something. They're just the elders and he's like you won't you won't even confront the people

[02:11:06] That have fucked up so much over the you know this long this all the time. They're fucking up all the time

[02:11:11] Yeah, he he's like are you talking to me?

[02:11:14] Really for real? Are you sure right why?

[02:11:18] So he's gonna tell his eek. He'll tell them

[02:11:22] This is what the sovereign lord says on the day I chose. Oh, he's about to give a laundry list

[02:11:27] Okay, all right. Yeah on the day I chose israel. So this is like, you know forever ago

[02:11:33] Yeah, I swore with uplifted hand to the descendants of jacob and revealed myself to them in egypt

[02:11:41] With uplifted hand. I said to them. I'm the lord your god. Hey wassup

[02:11:47] On that day I swore to them that I would bring them out of egypt into a land

[02:11:52] I had searched out for them

[02:11:55] A land flowing with milk and honey the most beautiful of all lands except for that

[02:11:58] We know now that that probably never happened. Well that and if you're god, why did you have to search?

[02:12:04] Right, right. Did you have to like invent a gps for yourself from what I've from what I've gathered though

[02:12:10] On a gps walking distance to the promised land from egypt was like a five or six day trip

[02:12:16] Right not 40 years not 40 years. So I I feel like

[02:12:19] You're wrong and you're lying right and you're bad and you wrote shit down that you're just trying to come up

[02:12:26] Like this is just a story about a quote-unquote epic journey

[02:12:29] And you guys knew about you know

[02:12:31] 500 square miles of land. So you're like, how do we make this into 40 years? Yeah, exactly

[02:12:35] So apparently you just wandered around back and forth and you know, except they didn't whatever right, right?

[02:12:40] Yeah, and I said to them

[02:12:43] I said each of you get rid of the vile images you have set your eyes on

[02:12:48] And do not defile yourselves with the idols of egypt. I'm the lord your god

[02:12:53] But you know what those fuckers did they defiled themselves with the the idols

[02:12:58] Yeah, they rebelled against me and would not listen to me

[02:13:02] They did not get rid of the vile images. They had set their eyes on

[02:13:07] Nor did they forsake the idols of egypt. I mean, can you even right?

[02:13:11] The idols of egypt were pretty cool. I can't believe those guys did not give those up though

[02:13:17] OMG listen, I mean, I've seen some of the shit like the the art of old gods that comes out of egypt

[02:13:24] And i'm like that's just pretty cool

[02:13:26] I would have probably had you know what if I had more money. I would order me some of those

[02:13:32] Um idols of egypt. Yeah, they definitely like when it when it comes out in the cool factor

[02:13:36] Egypt's got it. You know, they've got idols rock the house. Hell. Yeah, they do. Yeah

[02:13:41] So I said me god, I would pour out my wrath on them and spend my anger against them in egypt

[02:13:48] But for the sake of my name, I brought them out of egypt

[02:13:53] I was gonna kill him then but you know, but remember moses pointed out that'll make you look real bad

[02:13:59] And so, you know, I decided all right, i'll chillax

[02:14:02] But I mean like that he did kill a bunch of them at the at the mountain there when moses went up and then came back down

[02:14:07] And they were making golden idols or whatever. Yeah, he killed like 3000 people there. Yeah, so

[02:14:12] I did right after he got done. Sorry right after he got done telling them not to murder

[02:14:16] Yeah, yeah, it's fine when god does it right well. Yeah, he didn't even do it though. He had them do it

[02:14:21] Yeah, so like he literally had the people he told just then not to murder

[02:14:26] He had them murder don't murder except for those guys over there right the ones with the gold in their hands

[02:14:31] Yeah, yeah, I did it to keep my name from being profaned in the eyes of the nations among whom they lived

[02:14:38] And in whose sight I had revealed myself to the israelites

[02:14:42] He's like, I didn't want egypt to look to look at me like I was bad

[02:14:45] Or at least that message is consistent. Yeah, because that is the same message they said back then it is

[02:14:50] But it's like your god. Why the fuck you worry about these egyptians think of you

[02:14:55] Your god is worried about his fucking he's vain. He's worried about his image these big dick egyptians

[02:15:01] I

[02:15:03] Damn, I wish I'd said it right the first yeah, I know I know therefore

[02:15:07] I the vain glorious asshole that I am

[02:15:11] Led them out of egypt and brought them into the wilderness, you know the wilderness

[02:15:16] I gave them my decrees and made known to them my laws by which the person who obeys them will live

[02:15:24] If you don't obey him, I guess what you die

[02:15:26] Well, yeah, like back then he was definitely killed people that didn't obey him. Sure like there was a lot more just like instant death

[02:15:33] Laws yeah, it's a drive by smiting

[02:15:37] Also, I gave them my sabbaths as a sign between us so they would know that I the lord made them holy

[02:15:45] That's why you get a day off

[02:15:47] Okay, so that you can know that god is holy

[02:15:50] Yeah, so you can spend the the whole day not washing laundry not cooking dinner

[02:15:56] You spend the whole day fearing the lord. Yeah get on your knees the whole day. Yeah suck this dick

[02:16:04] All day

[02:16:06] Yet the people of israel rebelled against me in the wilderness. Can you even believe that shit?

[02:16:12] I mean I can actually yeah, I mean they sometimes wore some whiny fucks but but they this has been a consistent theme throughout the old test

[02:16:19] They constantly are rebelling which I I don't even argue with them on. I'm like, yeah, dude hasn't really

[02:16:25] Okay, but honestly and then god fucking pummeled them with birds

[02:16:30] That was not cool. Yeah, that wasn't cool

[02:16:33] smooth move god

[02:16:35] They did not follow my decrees, but rejected my laws by which the person who obeys them will live

[02:16:41] You know those laws that I just said the one. Yeah, and they utterly desecrated my sabbaths those bitches

[02:16:47] Yeah, they picked up sticks one time. I think yeah. Yeah, that was erin's kids or something

[02:16:51] No, that was just some random dude that died. Oh, yeah, no erin's kids were they let the wrong incense

[02:16:56] Oh, yeah, I always forget that. Yeah, so I said I would pour out my wrath on them and destroy them in the wilderness

[02:17:04] But again for the sake of my name

[02:17:06] I did what would keep it from being profaned in the eyes of the nations in whose sight

[02:17:12] I had brought them out

[02:17:13] I don't have a lot of respect for a god that is worried about his image

[02:17:16] Me neither like if that's what you're you're all about image, man

[02:17:20] Like you care what people think of you and if they don't think the right things then you kill them

[02:17:25] But you're also worried about what other people think of you who aren't your people

[02:17:29] And because of that you don't kill people

[02:17:31] Yeah, but it all comes down to killing people at some level will I or won't I kill people?

[02:17:36] And who is the one doing the thinking about me? Right? Yeah

[02:17:40] Whoever you want to impress that day apparently determines who you're gonna kill right so so uncool, right?

[02:17:47] Also fyi

[02:17:49] With uplifted hand

[02:17:50] I swore to them in the wilderness

[02:17:52] That I would not bring them into the land

[02:17:54] I had given them a land flowing with milk and honey the most beautiful of all lands

[02:18:00] Because they rejected my laws and did not follow my decrees and desecrated my mother fucking Sabbath

[02:18:05] Which is why they had to wander around for 40 years

[02:18:08] Yeah

[02:18:08] For their hearts were devoted to their idols the ones they carried in their pockets or whatever

[02:18:14] I mean

[02:18:15] He says that but like what was the killing of the 3000 people running when moses came down to the mountain?

[02:18:21] You know like that was supposedly ridding them of the unholy

[02:18:25] Idol worshiping people but we've rid these people

[02:18:28] We've been rid of these people so many times. I've lost track. It's almost like you can't kill an idea

[02:18:35] Right. I recently just heard that in like a show and um throughout literature forever

[02:18:42] well, yeah, and more over though like it's

[02:18:46] We we don't this is the god is more about fear

[02:18:52] Like this is more about they don't actually respect or worship god so much as they fear the repercussions of what

[02:18:59] Happens when god is angry, right?

[02:19:01] Right. Yeah, which is also the same fear that they have of the other gods that they worship as well

[02:19:07] They just serve different purposes in their lives, right?

[02:19:10] and so there's nothing special about yaoi to these people because

[02:19:14] They obviously never chose him to be the single one monotheistic god

[02:19:19] For you know thousands of years, right?

[02:19:22] So it it's just a it's an ongoing problem because he can't solidify his his base

[02:19:29] He can't solidify his base and he's also like always off message. Yeah, it's almost like he's like a trump that can fly

[02:19:37] Right. Yeah, seriously. Yeah

[02:19:39] Yet I looked on them with pity and did not destroy them or put an end to them in the wilderness

[02:19:46] I mean pretty much because if I killed them then who was gonna pray to me or whatever

[02:19:51] I said to their children in the wilderness

[02:19:53] Do not follow the statutes of your parents or keep their laws or defile yourselves with their idols

[02:20:00] Except that I told the children don't obey your parents, but you're supposed to obey your parents as one of the fucking commandments

[02:20:07] Yeah, that's always like gray area like ones. It okay, right? Yeah

[02:20:12] I am the lord your god follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws

[02:20:19] Keep my Sabbaths holy that they may be a sign between us

[02:20:23] Then you will know that I'm the lord your god. That's how you'll know

[02:20:27] That's how you know

[02:20:29] He loves you

[02:20:31] But the children those fuckers rebelled against me. They did not follow my decrees

[02:20:37] They were not careful to keep my laws of which I said the person who obeys them will live by them

[02:20:43] And they desecrated my fucking Sabbaths

[02:20:47] They're always desecrating your fucking Sabbaths

[02:20:50] So I said I would pour out my wrath on them and spend my anger against them in the wilderness

[02:20:57] Yes, but I withheld my hand and for the sake of my name

[02:21:00] I did what would keep it from being profaned in the eyes of the nation in whose sight I had brought them out

[02:21:08] Okay, so he's trying again. He's worried about his image and other people's

[02:21:13] Yeah views

[02:21:14] Okay, he's like I'm always scared the Egyptians are gonna think that I'm shitty and mean

[02:21:19] Right, and I don't want them to think that or more over that. He can't control his own people

[02:21:24] Right, you know like uh some god, right?

[02:21:28] You can't control your people and you're so mean and evil that you killed them all right wow

[02:21:34] You what would have happened if god would have killed all of his people? I wonder about that, right? Like

[02:21:40] He would have died out

[02:21:42] Right. Yeah, what does so like he wouldn't be there would be no people for him to have right?

[02:21:49] So just that god Yahweh would just not exist

[02:21:53] Right because what would he have to choose the new one or something right? Yeah, like

[02:21:59] It's just not it's not gonna it's not gonna happen without him having some people right

[02:22:04] So, I mean that's really why you didn't kill him right you need somebody to yell at because there was plenty of gods before

[02:22:11] Because real lights right? Yeah, so that's what they're in trouble for he didn't exist then right and he only existed

[02:22:17] Since then so something happened and then he was written into existence by man and and now you know

[02:22:24] He refuses to go away

[02:22:28] Also

[02:22:29] With uplifted hand I swore to them in the wilderness that I would disperse them among the nations

[02:22:34] And scatter smother cover them with the countries. Yeah just scatter them

[02:22:39] Right. Yeah, because they had not obeyed my laws

[02:22:42] But had rejected my decrees and desecrated my Sabbaths and their eyes lusted after their parents idols

[02:22:50] So I gave them other statues that were not good

[02:22:54] And laws which they could not live

[02:22:57] I defiled them through their gifts the sacrifice of every firstborn that I might fill them with horror

[02:23:04] So they would know that I am the lord

[02:23:06] Wait, okay

[02:23:09] He's he's seeing he gave them idols

[02:23:12] Apparently I think what that means is that he allowed them to

[02:23:17] Go about their business and be gross

[02:23:20] Okay, and he's like fine. Fuck yourselves. I don't care got it

[02:23:25] And so he's twisting like what they were already doing into he allowed it to happen. Okay, okay

[02:23:31] And it's like no, they were already you just got through complaining about how they were already

[02:23:35] Yeah, you don't get to take credit for that after well

[02:23:38] I mean, you know, they're writing him as a god who knows everything so they have to kind of make him seem like he's

[02:23:44] In charge even though he's not so so okay, but still he's like

[02:23:49] Fine be bad. You keep being bad all the time. You're always bad. You keep being bad

[02:23:54] Fine be bad. Just keep being bad. I'm letting you be bad. See how I let you be bad

[02:23:59] Right. I'm like you didn't let them you were pissed about it. They were already being bad

[02:24:05] Right. Like retro active. Um, yeah. Oh, oh, but I let that happen. Yeah, then why were you pissed?

[02:24:12] Right. Like stop you weirdo

[02:24:16] Therefore son of man. Yeah, mirror human. You fucking worm

[02:24:21] Speak to the people of israel and say to them this is what the sovereign lord says

[02:24:27] In this also your ancestors in ancestors

[02:24:33] Blasphemed me by being unfaithful to me those cheaters. Okay

[02:24:38] When I brought them into the land I had sworn to give them and they saw any high hill or any leafy tree

[02:24:45] There they offered their sacrifices made offerings that aroused my anger

[02:24:51] Presented their fragrant incense and poured out their drink offerings now in other

[02:24:56] Translations, it's not just offered their sacrifices. It's offered their children as sacrifices. Yeah, all right. So they were doing the local

[02:25:07] Child sacrifice. Yeah thing which again, I'm very not okay with right regardless of your fucking religion. You dumb dumb

[02:25:15] Yeah, don't eat the babies, right

[02:25:18] Then I said to them what's this high place you go to?

[02:25:23] It is called Bama to this day and I have a thing about that

[02:25:27] But before you get into the thing about that, I do have to say this real quick too. Yeah

[02:25:31] Child sacrifice is not like

[02:25:34] Just worshiping an idol. You're sacrificing a fucking child. Yeah, right?

[02:25:39] Like if you are sacrificing a child and again, we don't condone it in any way whatsoever

[02:25:44] Is not a good thing, but you have to believe pretty strongly that what you're doing that is a god you fear

[02:25:51] Right, you are fearing the fuck out of that god. Yeah, if you are sacrificing your child to that god

[02:25:57] Yeah, so I mean all I'm getting at is that these people

[02:26:02] obviously

[02:26:03] Didn't have as much fear of god as they did of some other gods or at least if they did have as much fear

[02:26:10] It was definitely equal fear and not like

[02:26:12] One is better or bigger than the other, you know, right?

[02:26:15] So

[02:26:17] That's that's a large step to take for something that you just kind of idly worship. Yeah, and it's this was strong beliefs

[02:26:23] Obviously, yeah, I mean you don't just like willy-nilly kill babies, right, right?

[02:26:29] So Bama, yeah, Bama. He's like it's called Bama to this day those high places. Yeah, Bama means high place

[02:26:36] Okay, all right those high places to this day. They're called high places, right?

[02:26:41] Are they okay? They're still high them high places. They are so high

[02:26:46] They are the highest of all the high places

[02:26:50] Therefore say to the israelite

[02:26:53] This is what the sovereign lord says

[02:26:55] Will you defile yourselves the way your ancestors did and lost after their vile images?

[02:27:03] I think the answer is yes. Yes, they will yes

[02:27:04] They will when you offer your gifts the sacrifice of your children in the fire

[02:27:11] You continue to defile yourselves with all your idols to this day to this day

[02:27:18] Am I to let you inquire of me you israelites? He's like you guys killed kids and prayed

[02:27:27] To these other statues and fucked around on sundays

[02:27:32] And you think you're coming to ask me a question. Are you serious right now? Well, I mean I suppose they wouldn't really have to ask

[02:27:40] Let's be honest here. They're asking a zikil like they wouldn't have to ask a zikil a question

[02:27:45] If you just fucking talk to them exactly and probably these people wouldn't be doing this shit if you just fucking talk to them

[02:27:51] Right, exactly, but he's not so they are so they are right

[02:27:56] As surely as I live declares the sovereign lord

[02:28:00] I will not let you inquire of me

[02:28:03] What are you going to sew their mouth shut like beetle juice style? Right like

[02:28:07] No, they are inquiring of you and can you imagine sitting there while some dude is just telling you

[02:28:14] You will not do this to like he's literally reiterating

[02:28:18] Talk to the hand

[02:28:19] This god wants nothing to do with you and like he's like snapping his fingers and like

[02:28:25] Wigging his head back and forth like uh, did you even right?

[02:28:28] And I'd be like dude, who the fuck do you think you are right? You better get your fucking pointy finger out of my goddamn facebook

[02:28:34] Bite it off

[02:28:36] You say we want to be like the nations like the peoples of the world who serve wood and stone

[02:28:42] But what you have in mind will never fucking happen

[02:28:47] No, except it has and it does. Yeah, it has and it did and it does right

[02:28:52] I bet there was a lot of people there was what it said a million jewish folks that lived in israel at the end of the

[02:28:58] Egypt, i'm sorry. Yeah at the end of the babelonian exile or whatever

[02:29:03] Like I bet some of those people stay the egyptian, you know, why the fuck this shit

[02:29:07] I'm staying here. Yep

[02:29:09] As surely as I live declares the sovereign lord

[02:29:12] I will reign over you with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and without poured wrath

[02:29:19] Okay, i'm gonna hate you right me hate you long time

[02:29:23] I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been

[02:29:28] Scattered with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with out poured wrath

[02:29:33] I will bring you into the wilderness of the nations and their face to face

[02:29:39] I will execute judgment upon you. Oh, i'm like face to face, huh?

[02:29:44] Well, I fucking dare you do it. He hasn't done the face-to-face thing yet

[02:29:48] But he's gonna wait until he's punishing them to do the face-to-face apparently at least according to that

[02:29:53] That's to come right. It's he's saying this is i'll do this someday

[02:29:57] Okay, someday i'm gonna see you face to face and i'm gonna kick the shit out of you

[02:30:01] Hypothetically right we're talking about the babelone exile right the last step of the babelone exile. Yeah, like that's what this prophecy is

[02:30:09] Hypothetically

[02:30:10] Yeah, he's saying i'm gonna scatter you but then he's also saying but one of these days

[02:30:14] I'm gonna scoop y'all up right yeah, and i'm gonna see you face to face

[02:30:18] But even even the saying that he's gonna see him face to face to face is not true either

[02:30:22] He's using babelon as a tool

[02:30:24] And so he's sending another army after his people there is no face-to-face. It's a fucking war right

[02:30:30] As I judged your ancestors in the wilderness of the land of egypt

[02:30:35] So I will judge you declare the sovereign lord. I will take note of you as you pass under my rod

[02:30:41] Yeah, I will

[02:30:43] And I will bring you into the bond of the covenant

[02:30:47] So we're gonna touch each other's balls and make promises right? Yeah, that's what god really works after they pass under his rod

[02:30:53] They're gonna pass under his rod and he's gonna be like while you're down there

[02:30:57] Touch my balls touch my balls fear the lord touch my balls

[02:31:00] I will purge you of those who revolt and rebel against me. Will you though?

[02:31:06] I I feel like you won't I feel like you don't either. Yeah, and you haven't right and you supposedly you could

[02:31:12] But you won't right

[02:31:13] Although I will bring them out of the land where they are living yet

[02:31:17] They will not enter the land of israel

[02:31:21] Then you will know that I am the lord

[02:31:24] Okay, okay. As for you people of israel

[02:31:28] This is what the sovereign lord says

[02:31:30] Go and serve your idols every one of you

[02:31:33] But afterward you will surely listen to me and no longer profane my holy name with your gifts and idols

[02:31:39] From my holy mountain the high mountain of israel

[02:31:43] Declare the sovereign lord there in the land of all the people of israel will serve me

[02:31:49] And there I will accept them

[02:31:52] Hmm. So so go worship your shit, but then you'll stop and then you're gonna worship him

[02:31:58] On the holy high mountain, but just the one just the one not the other high places

[02:32:03] Not the bam is just the bamma right? Yeah, right? Okay

[02:32:06] There I will require your offerings and your choice gifts along with all your holy sacrifices

[02:32:12] But not your kids right except that one time that I wanted

[02:32:16] Uh, what's his name? Jacob maybe to sacrifice israel, but then I decided or Isaac right right?

[02:32:23] But then I was like

[02:32:25] Just kidding. You don't have to kill him. It was Abraham. That's what I said. No, I know

[02:32:31] I will accept you as fragrant incense when I bring you out from the nations and gather you from the countries

[02:32:37] Where you've been scattered and I will be proved holy

[02:32:41] Through you in the sight of the nations

[02:32:44] So he's like oh, then everybody will think I'm awesome in all those other places that I shouldn't give a shit about

[02:32:50] Because they're not my people

[02:32:51] But obviously I do and I can't wait till those other places that aren't my people because it's all about image

[02:32:58] Worship me. Yeah, you aren't anything if your enemies don't think well of you. Yeah, I guess

[02:33:03] Then you will know that I am the lord

[02:33:07] When I bring you into the land of israel the land

[02:33:09] I had sworn with a lift at hand to give to your ancestors

[02:33:13] Yeah, there you will remember your conduct and all the actions by which you have to file yourselves

[02:33:19] And you will load yourselves for all the evil you have done

[02:33:24] Okay, you will know that I am the mother fucking lord when I deal with you for my name's sake and not according to your

[02:33:32] Evil ways and your corrupt practices you people of israel

[02:33:37] Declare the sovereign lord

[02:33:40] That's pretty great stuff, right? That's pretty great. All right. So now we have another five verses

[02:33:45] that according to everything that I've read

[02:33:48] Should actually belong to the next chapter. Okay, because that's what it has to do with so

[02:33:54] That is kind of like the end got it then we're like now we're moving into something else but not

[02:34:01] But it's still relevant to what we just talked about. Yeah, yeah, okay

[02:34:05] So anyways dot dot dot later. Yeah, the word of the lord came to me and I like did it right? Yeah, son of man

[02:34:14] Yeah, me you're human you fucking worm. Yeah set your face toward the south preach against the south and prophecy

[02:34:21] Against the forest of the south land

[02:34:24] Say to the southern forest hear the word of the lord. This is what the sovereign lord says

[02:34:29] I'm about to set fire to you

[02:34:33] And it will consume all your trees both green and dry

[02:34:36] The blazing flame will not be quenched and every fucking face from south to north will be scorched by it

[02:34:45] What the what is this south shit? I don't know but i'm gonna kill all of you because killing is awesome

[02:34:52] but like

[02:34:53] It's south like the uh, etomites and the um like the people that were like

[02:34:57] Um across the jordan river. Is that who the south is referencing? I'm not sure

[02:35:03] Okay, it's some other conquering people

[02:35:06] Tribes or whatever. Well, but it sounds like he's prophesying against jerusalem here or against the israelites

[02:35:11] Yeah, not like this doesn't sound like he's talking about

[02:35:14] Uh foreign land. It feels like he's talking about israelites

[02:35:18] Yeah, and he's saying people from the south are going to come get you that's not what it sounded like to me

[02:35:23] Wait hold on

[02:35:25] Set your face toward the south preach against the south and prophecy against the forest of the south land

[02:35:31] right

[02:35:32] So it sounds like he's saying because he said the force is going to catch on fire and you know

[02:35:36] Oh, because israel is south of

[02:35:40] all of the

[02:35:41] Like babelon and all right, but it's just the first time i've heard him reference it to as the south

[02:35:46] Like that's a weird way to say it. You're so south

[02:35:51] Right. Yeah, okay, but I guess the reason I ask is because it sounds like he maybe is talking about a different people

[02:35:58] Like the the people who

[02:36:01] Were part of israel. Oh, I see what you're saying

[02:36:04] But now are no longer. I can't remember all the different tribes were but you know the ones lost tribes of israel or whatever

[02:36:10] But the ones that were specifically across the jordan right like they were south of the rest of the israel there

[02:36:14] Yeah, I don't know really but I get what you're saying. Yeah

[02:36:17] Um, yeah, so whoever whatever he's saying that i'm on burn your shit

[02:36:22] Everyone will see that I the lord have kindled it. That's the important point. Okay. It will not be quenched

[02:36:29] Then I as ekeo said suffering lord. They are saying of me. Isn't he just telling parables the end?

[02:36:36] Oh, okay

[02:36:40] Oh my god

[02:36:43] Ezekiel hey dude, um, he says he's gonna kill everybody

[02:36:47] But isn't that just like uh, it's kind of like a joke, right? It's just it's kind of that's fake

[02:36:51] He's just a hyperbole. Right. Yeah. He's just he's he's stretching the truth a bit. You know maybe exaggeration

[02:36:57] Is that what's going on here like overkill like he's just mad, right?

[02:37:01] Right. Yeah, you know kind of like when I get mad. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna kill you

[02:37:06] Like I'm not really gonna kill you, right? Like I'm not actually gonna set fire to right

[02:37:12] You know your house or whatever right, right? Yeah, I don't know

[02:37:15] We'll find out I guess I guess because it probably continues on in the next chapter, right?

[02:37:20] I would think that the answer to that question

[02:37:23] Is he joking? Well one of the questions I would prefer I would like an answer to is the reference to the south

[02:37:29] Who is the south? Yeah, because I am curious about that so today and that being said that was Ezekiel chapter 20

[02:37:37] Okay, hold on. No, I'm holding on. Hold on. I thought I might have hit it in some of my notes

[02:37:42] So let me read this and see if this answers your question. Okay. All right. Yeah

[02:37:45] The last five verses ought to begin the next chapter is they are connected with the subject of that chapter

[02:37:51] Being a prophecy against Jerusalem which lay to the south of chaldea

[02:37:57] Where the prophet then was okay and which here and elsewhere

[02:38:01] Is represented under the emblem of a forest doomed to be destroyed by fire

[02:38:07] I see so he's this is a so he's talking about the south from the vantage point of being in the north because he was already

[02:38:14] Taken away to the north. Yes

[02:38:16] Got it

[02:38:17] That makes sense

[02:38:18] But it was a weird reference like it was a weird way of phrasing it that we haven't seen before

[02:38:22] Yeah, yeah, and you know we you and I talked about this. I don't know if it was on the podcast

[02:38:26] It was like just outside on our own

[02:38:29] But um, we were talking about

[02:38:31] How the writing style seems to be all over the place with Ezekiel. Yeah, I we were outside talking about this

[02:38:38] This was not on the podcast. Right. Yes. I

[02:38:41] cannot get a grip on

[02:38:44] Who actually wrote this because it seems like a different person stepped in every chapter

[02:38:49] Right and it's weird. It is really weird and I don't get I don't

[02:38:54] like

[02:38:55] Of the research that you did before we started this book

[02:38:59] It seemed like everybody is like, yeah, Ezekiel kind of maybe sort of wrote it

[02:39:03] Right, but there's not really any more like

[02:39:05] Info that we had beyond that. I was just like, yeah, probably Ezekiel wrote it

[02:39:09] But maybe not kind of sort of yeah

[02:39:12] I think it did say that there were a lot of editors that came along later and did redactions and additions

[02:39:18] But it feels pretty significant

[02:39:19] Yeah

[02:39:20] The amount of differences in this book and like they didn't even try to stick with one style

[02:39:24] That's the part that's weird. Right. Like did you even try to sound like Ezekiel?

[02:39:30] Yeah, like I believe you that he wrote the first couple chapters with all his crazy wiggie dreams

[02:39:36] Right, like that. Okay. Yeah, he probably wrote that sure and I'm not saying that that

[02:39:42] Material is what's missing from these chapters

[02:39:44] We don't need wheels with eyes in every chapter with the style of writing style of writing the voice the tone

[02:39:50] With Jeremiah, right? Like the until we got to the end of that book. There was a pretty consistent

[02:39:57] Sound, you know pretty consistent style of writing that was happening at least in chunks of the book him and his scribe

[02:40:04] Yeah, Baruch Baruch. Yeah

[02:40:06] You could tell that they

[02:40:08] Tried really hard to just stay on target. You know that felt like one or two writers, right?

[02:40:14] Yeah, but I I can't get a grasp on like

[02:40:17] What's going on from one chapter to the next and this one because it's completely different

[02:40:21] And it's not like it's not just that the tone is different like the subject matter seems different like

[02:40:26] Sometimes it's like, you know in the beginning. He's like giving his

[02:40:31] Dream of weirdness, right? Yeah, and then suddenly we're like in

[02:40:35] Fucking Deuteronomy fire and brimstone. Fuck everybody kill him die. And it's like, whoa guy

[02:40:42] Where did this shit come from and then we're talking about fucking lions and vines

[02:40:46] Right and then and then there's like an entire rewriting

[02:40:50] Yeah of the the rules

[02:40:53] Like oh, and by the way, we're not gonna do the

[02:40:56] Um sins of the father's thing right on this on the sun

[02:41:00] I was thinking about that actually there the the entire concept of what he laid forth there

[02:41:07] Almost negates the idea of having to have jesus come down and die for people's sins

[02:41:11] If you don't have to suffer for the sins of your father

[02:41:15] Yeah, like you just have to ask for forgiveness. Yeah, that's essentially the same thing that happens when jesus comes

[02:41:21] Yeah, so what's the point of killing his own his only son or whatever?

[02:41:25] Yeah to do the same thing that ezekiel said god said is already happening right exactly like it negates the whole purpose of jesus

[02:41:33] It really does which is crazy. I mean that that's just insane. Yeah

[02:41:37] So I that that's a really good insight because you're absolutely 100 right like i'm sorry why jesus again now

[02:41:45] Yeah, I mean if we're taking this at its word right? Yeah, it doesn't make any sense

[02:41:49] Yeah, so I that that really bothered me and it was something that I kind of have been

[02:41:53] Thinking about over the last couple of days. It's almost like

[02:41:57] The more

[02:41:58] That we read about judaism

[02:42:01] The more unnecessary and stupid christianity becomes right because

[02:42:07] Judaism which is like the root of it is kind of crazy enough and stupid enough on its own

[02:42:13] And has has it already set up? Well, yeah, and that's I mean what we're finding out by reading the old testament

[02:42:18] And i'm so happy we're doing this same is that

[02:42:21] The new testament

[02:42:24] What I do know of it many of the concepts are stolen directly from the old testament from what I can tell

[02:42:30] And again, we haven't I haven't ever read the new testament

[02:42:33] I don't know anything specifically about it

[02:42:35] But the the tenets of what we're covering here seem to be the same things that are in the new testament

[02:42:40] Well that and something that has been kind of coming to my mind as we've been reading this like judaism is like

[02:42:48] It feels from not the beginning of time, but like it

[02:42:53] Took all of the early stories and like kind of tied them into one right? Yeah, and so that feels super old and ancient

[02:43:00] Right, but then christianity because

[02:43:03] We know that

[02:43:05] You know

[02:43:06] Jesus dies the romans and the jews there kill him or what the fuck ever happens. I don't know

[02:43:12] um

[02:43:13] It feels like

[02:43:15] It's such a newer religion even though it's still hundreds of years ago, right?

[02:43:19] It feels very okay thousands but still it feels so new comparatively speaking right like it to me

[02:43:27] It's the same comparison on on a geographic scale when we're talking about america versus europe

[02:43:35] Like europe is ancient right so fucking old right? Yeah, and then america's like hi

[02:43:42] And i'm like you're a baby. You haven't even been here. You're still in diapers. You you can't even get your

[02:43:48] Like that's why i've always been

[02:43:51] Disinterested somewhat in american history because it's like who even cares it's so new right like wait till you've been around a couple of

[02:43:58] You know

[02:43:59] Thousand years and then let's talk sure but

[02:44:03] That comparison like it just feels like the more that we read about this ancient old religion

[02:44:10] And and learn about it and learn how much christianity stole from it

[02:44:15] Or borrowed from it or took from it or evolved from whatever the fuck words you want to use. Yeah the more

[02:44:22] worthless and silly christianity seems just on

[02:44:26] The basis of its lack of age and its lack of originality. Yeah, no i don't disagree

[02:44:33] So do you have anything else for us today? That was it sorry i had to ramble your friend

[02:44:38] I'm glad we kind of continued that conversation actually yeah, so that was ezekiel chapter 20

[02:44:43] It sure as fuck was um and this weekend is going to be a little different

[02:44:46] We're not going to end up doing a book club or anything because we kind of

[02:44:50] Last week and kind of started this off on the mess up because it was

[02:44:54] Memorial Day weekend and we took one more day off so

[02:44:58] We're going to be doing our q&a tomorrow, which will be sunday

[02:45:02] And then we will be back on monday with um ezekiel chapter 21. All right, we'll see you then bye

[02:45:15] Husband wife, do you know what we're doing right now today this very second? Well

[02:45:21] Technically it is still saturday as we're recording this it's actually sunday. Oh, yeah no sunday sorry

[02:45:27] We that's right. We pushed it back because things and so but

[02:45:31] It's it's the day. It's the correct day

[02:45:34] That we were planning on doing it this week, but not normally right and so we're still correct

[02:45:39] We're still almost correct with regard to this week's um podcast time frame

[02:45:44] Which means that today we're still doing

[02:45:47] q&a

[02:45:48] Not on saturday barely on sunday too

[02:45:52] Yeah, that that's the one we're doing our q&a. So uh, what are we queuing and aying today?

[02:45:58] We're gonna talk about salt on babies salt on babies. I always put salt on my babies before I eat them

[02:46:08] Salty babies are delicious

[02:46:10] I see I see

[02:46:12] And this would be um part of the q&a for ezekiel chapters 16 through 20 correct correct. Sorry

[02:46:18] Yeah, that's what you were actually asking. Yeah, I always get that wrong. You do you do. That's right

[02:46:22] It's all right. It's what i'm here for to correct you the whole time

[02:46:25] But not to keep the babies

[02:46:27] Fuck off. All right

[02:46:29] Um, are you ready to get into this? Oh and how all right. Let's do this oki doki

[02:46:43] All right, so do you remember this verse in chapter 16 of easy kyle ezekiel ezekiel

[02:46:51] Yeah

[02:46:52] On the day you were born your cord was not cut nor were you wished i'm sorry watched

[02:46:59] With water to make you clean nor were you rubbed with salt or wrapped in claws?

[02:47:05] I do because I and I only remember it because

[02:47:08] I thought it was odd that they said that the baby was

[02:47:11] Um rubbed in salt. Yeah, like we kind of mentioned it but like what the fuck

[02:47:15] But then there was so much else that we just kept going

[02:47:18] I almost said something about the salt at that point, but i'm just like well

[02:47:21] It must have just been some sort of older ritual thing whatever

[02:47:25] I didn't I didn't really think too much of it at the time. I guess so right

[02:47:29] But you did mention that we were talking about salt today. So that's what we're referencing

[02:47:33] This is when he god or ezekiel was comparing israel to a baby

[02:47:40] That god just found you know in an open field

[02:47:43] Right and he was like and then I took you in and I fed you and clothed you and then you grew up to

[02:47:48] Be a whore

[02:47:51] So um I was like hang on before we get to the whore and yeah talk about the salting sure sure so um

[02:47:57] I started with the apologist because that's what I always do. Yeah, and they're like salting the child

[02:48:03] Um, the skin is rubbed with salt to make it firm and clean

[02:48:07] Blah blah blah cutting the cord washing

[02:48:11] Rubbing down the baby with salt and clothing the newborn were customary traditional acts

[02:48:17] Lending legitimacy to the legal claim of parenthood over the baby and these are things that I would have assumed

[02:48:23] You know like that sounds the sounds

[02:48:25] Rub it with salt. Yeah, clean it up. I mean, I don't know again

[02:48:29] I don't know why you would you know rub your kid in salt

[02:48:33] But hey, we'll talk about it. Who am I to judge practices of 2000 years ago?

[02:48:37] That's maybe all they had to do something that needed to be done. Yeah. Yeah

[02:48:40] It was more like 2500 years whatever whatever long fucking time ago in the neglect and abandonment of the

[02:48:46] infant the parent legally relinquished all rights and

[02:48:51] Responsibilities for the child so wait if you didn't rub your baby with salt you lost your kid

[02:48:55] It wasn't just rubbing it with salt. It was and washing it and clothing it

[02:49:00] Doing all the things you're supposed to do when your baby is born

[02:49:04] So what then they just abandon like then then relinquishing claims to the kid means what like does it go up for um

[02:49:11] Ritual sacrifice at that point. Does it yes sometimes?

[02:49:15] Sometimes if a family had too many kids and couldn't afford it

[02:49:20] They would relinquish their rights to it

[02:49:22] They might either offer it up for sacrifice or they might leave it out in the woods

[02:49:27] Or if it was born with a deformity, that means the devil got into it and they're like fuck this child

[02:49:32] Got it. So yeah, they they weren't like so maybe sometimes people on purpose didn't

[02:49:37] Perform the rights because they didn't want to deform baby or something. I would imagine. Yeah, exactly

[02:49:42] Yeah, not cool. So they would you know either

[02:49:46] Give it up and not do all the things and just leave it or they would

[02:49:52] Sacrifice it or whatever. Okay. Yeah, right. Yeah, so

[02:49:56] Many societies today still practice traditional methods to protect babies from magic witchcraft or the evil eye

[02:50:04] And one of those practices is rubbing the baby down with salt

[02:50:09] Yeah, some of these traditions bring psychological relief for the family

[02:50:13] But unfortunately some may delay the treatment of a disease or even cause harm to the child

[02:50:19] Yeah, because um, if you rub the baby too hard with salt, obviously, you know, it can cause an abrasion

[02:50:28] Or if they're

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[02:51:28] Skin conditions, you might be worsening them or if there's like a rash you might be spreading it

[02:51:33] Right, you know those kinds of things also

[02:51:36] The kidneys are not fully developed enough

[02:51:39] Because sometimes they would take the salt inside the baby's mouth

[02:51:43] To you know, make sure it has clean breath and to wash all evil spirit out

[02:51:48] Right. Yeah, and if the baby gets too much salt their body can't process it and so then they die

[02:51:54] Wow

[02:51:54] Yeah

[02:51:55] So one of the traditional practices performed still today in some parts of europe and the middle east is

[02:52:02] salting of babies

[02:52:03] Along with the symbolic and life-giving nature of salt throughout history

[02:52:09] Salting has been part of traditional practices for millennia. Okay, so some of it is because salt has always been

[02:52:18] seen as

[02:52:20] This preserving thing. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it preserves meat makes it last longer

[02:52:25] That kind of thing. So it was viewed as this magical property. Well, I mean society essentially was able to

[02:52:33] Start staying in one place because they could store and preserve food

[02:52:37] So I mean like this was a big fucking deal right for society in general just like the salt alone

[02:52:44] Is amazingly important to humanity. Yes, and it was often

[02:52:51] used as some kind of

[02:52:55] Part of sealing an agreement in various

[02:52:59] Um

[02:53:01] Celebrations or like marriages like for example, we

[02:53:05] Had all of our family combined salt into one container. We did we did I actually liked that. I mean it was based on a religious

[02:53:12] Um, there was some religious connotation behind it, but

[02:53:15] Not as much as like like we agree. There was just as much religion as pagan

[02:53:21] Right, like we didn't do it because it was a christian thing

[02:53:24] We did it because we just liked the idea behind it of

[02:53:28] Combining our families, but we didn't want to do like the unity candle because that was too right right

[02:53:33] Stereotypical and christian. Yeah, but it was a matter of like with our ceremony

[02:53:38] It was a matter of mixing the salt so that we could never separate out

[02:53:42] Yes, you know, and you couldn't separate all the salt from the different groups or whatever

[02:53:46] So yeah, you're all one family in one group exactly exactly and I really I like this symbolism of that

[02:53:53] Like some of our family thought it was kind of silly, but I've still got the salt. Yeah, I see it right now

[02:53:59] I'm looking at it. It's like one of the few pieces of like sentimentality that we

[02:54:05] Grant right we're just very much like whatever. We're married. I love you. You love me the end, right?

[02:54:10] I mean to be fair it's on a uh, um, what would be considered an old dvd case hitting by the front door

[02:54:16] So yeah

[02:54:18] Inside one of those like treasure chests that you get from michael's

[02:54:22] Right, right. That um, I think my brother-in-law like painted silver or something. Yeah, so I mean

[02:54:28] It's more goofy than anything, but it means a lot to us. Yeah, so it's just fun

[02:54:33] And I think the story and the symbolism more than anything means something to us. That's all yeah, so yeah, that's true

[02:54:40] So, um homer

[02:54:42] You know not odyssey homer not homer simpson, but yeah, dude that wrote the odyssey or whatever

[02:54:47] Or not that wrote it, but was the first to record it sure, okay

[02:54:51] He said that salt was a sacred substance and play dough

[02:54:56] Described it as a dear substance of the gods. So

[02:55:00] I mentioned those just to kind of bring home the fact that

[02:55:04] It's not just that we think that it's been highly revered throughout history. It actually is recorded

[02:55:11] Historically as being revered, right? So salt thrown into the water is thought to increase its sacred properties

[02:55:20] So, um also like even still today a lot of times if people move into a new house

[02:55:26] They'll be gifted salt to throw over the threshold and that's supposed to grant them luck or something like that

[02:55:34] Luck or prosperity or to block out evil spirits or I mean even in like the show supernatural

[02:55:41] They would draw circles of salt to keep the ghosts out

[02:55:45] Yeah, you know like it's just always been a thing and I know there's an old wives tale or or whatever an old

[02:55:51] Superstition where if you spill salt you have to like throw some over your shoulder or something like that

[02:55:55] I don't know what that's all about. I wish I had thought to look that up like what is that about?

[02:55:59] But maybe we'll talk about that another time

[02:56:01] But there's a lot there's a lot with regard to salt in in our collective history of

[02:56:06] Human beings. You know like it's it's definitely a present because it is an abrasive too

[02:56:11] It um is good for cleaning like

[02:56:16] If you have um

[02:56:19] Like one of those skillets that you're not supposed to like toss in the cast iron skillet. Yeah, the cast iron skillets you can actually

[02:56:26] Wash it using salt. Yeah one that's it's suggested that you do that because like that actually preserves a lot of the

[02:56:33] You know stuff that you want to keep on the cast iron skillet

[02:56:36] So right so a lot of people in early times knew that it was a great cleaning agent

[02:56:41] So they applied that to

[02:56:44] Humans and to skin and particularly to babies who came out looking slimy and gross

[02:56:51] So it helped them

[02:56:52] You know clean the baby off real quick, but you don't want to put salt on the wound never put salt on the wound

[02:56:58] Yeah

[02:56:59] So salting is performed as part of rituals of redemption

[02:57:03] In the bible scrubbing with salt was among the practices recorded immediately after the birth of a baby

[02:57:09] Okay, which kind of what I just said. Yeah, this practice is maintained today among some Jewish communities

[02:57:15] As well as in Syria Palestine Jordan Qatar

[02:57:19] North Arabia western Iran and turkey

[02:57:22] It is spread to some parts of the Balkans and Greece through the influence of the Turks

[02:57:27] And I will mention that while I was researching this. Yeah the people who seemed to still

[02:57:34] um

[02:57:36] Yeah, ascribed to this um were either Turkish or Mexican

[02:57:41] Yeah, really? Yeah. Okay. Um like your old wives tales and stuff. Yeah, um, like that

[02:57:46] I read one story about like on reddit where

[02:57:50] This mom was saying am I the asshole for yelling at my mother-in-law?

[02:57:55] Um because we had told her we don't ascribe to such nonsense, but then the baby was

[02:58:01] um having a sick tummy and so one day when

[02:58:04] Uh

[02:58:05] The old mom was babysitting like the grandma. Yeah babysitting she rubbed the baby's belly with salt and

[02:58:12] oil olive oil

[02:58:14] and

[02:58:15] like

[02:58:16] The mom was like it's not that what she did was harmful to the baby. I'm sure you know was nothing

[02:58:22] But it was the fact that she did it without we had explicitly said don't do it

[02:58:27] Yeah, like we don't want to rub our baby with salt. Thank you sure

[02:58:31] So anyway, that's irrelevant. My point is that that this was a Mexican family and I saw lots of stories of

[02:58:38] Mexican old women doing these old wives tales as well as Turkish

[02:58:44] Families that still ascribe to these so I just thought it was interesting when you're kind of breaking down where these stories have gone

[02:58:51] Older cultures it seems like this where it kind of resides still is what it sounds like to me

[02:58:56] Yeah, the the old wives tales are still alive and well sure. Yeah

[02:59:00] immediately after birth in in these stories the baby is salted to prevent a bad smell

[02:59:06] To prevent sweating and rashes and to ensure a nice smooth puffy body

[02:59:12] Salting babies is also thought to bring abundance and blessings to the newborn as well as to ward off arrogance

[02:59:21] Don't be arrogant. So your mom should have washed you in salt

[02:59:25] Oh, I see. I see. Yeah. I like that. Yeah, right. Yeah, you need to wash up with some salt

[02:59:30] Right. Yeah, you're a little arrogant sometimes. I am I am

[02:59:35] But you know, I love you

[02:59:38] Sprinkling the newborn with salt as a ritual signifies integrity purity and dedication

[02:59:45] This is patterned after salted offerings made to god

[02:59:49] I didn't even know there were salted offerings made to god a lot of the um peace offerings and the

[02:59:55] Um, the other I forget this thing. I mean, I remember that

[02:59:58] I just don't remember them mentioning salt as part of that practice

[03:00:01] I guess so man, I just probably am not remembering correctly

[03:00:03] But I I don't specifically remember but it it goes along with the same thing. Sure. Sure

[03:00:09] So although there are cultural differences salting may be performed on the third fourth seventh 20th and 40th days after birth

[03:00:18] Okay, so

[03:00:20] Sometimes you just do a one and done but then in some cultures or even from family to family in the same culture

[03:00:26] It might differ. Yeah, you might come back on these other days

[03:00:29] To do it again to make sure it makes sure it takes. Yeah. Yeah, all right

[03:00:34] Or it may be like you only do it on the seventh day or whatever like these are all the various days

[03:00:40] Sure some only and some more than once different groups have different rituals

[03:00:45] Right and again, it's not just the different cultures. It can be different from house to house in the same culture

[03:00:51] They can't even agree on like what and where and how much yeah

[03:00:56] So

[03:00:57] This practice is performed by scrubbing the baby's whole body with salt, especially the neck

[03:01:03] armpit

[03:01:04] perineum

[03:01:05] Feet palms and inside of the mouth

[03:01:08] So, you know all the places you might stink most. Yeah, okay

[03:01:13] Not good, you know, right right it may be performed by washing the newborn baby's body with fine salt alone

[03:01:20] Or with salty water

[03:01:22] Which salty water might be a little bit better. Yeah, still let's not right and a lot of times honey and sugar may also be added

[03:01:29] To salt to be applied to certain parts of the body

[03:01:31] Interesting and I'm like, but that's so sticky though, right? Yeah, that seems to be counter productive

[03:01:36] But hey, whatever although honey is renowned for having a lot of healing qualities to it. So sure I don't know

[03:01:44] Anyway, anyway current findings indicate there is a good reason that such a procedure is not advised in practice today

[03:01:53] And medical professionals caution that parents grandparents and caregivers need to be extremely wary

[03:01:59] Of salting an infant. Hmm. I would imagine

[03:02:03] Even small amounts of salt can be dangerous for babies kidneys and organs

[03:02:07] Which are not equipped to handle more than what is found in their mother's milk, which that tracks

[03:02:12] However well intentioned salt applied to an infant's skin and in its mouth can be harmful or worse fatal

[03:02:20] Wow. Yeah

[03:02:21] After a number of babies had been admitted into jordan hospital with symptoms of hypernatremia

[03:02:28] Which is too much salt for doctors in the neonatal icu published a 2012 report called

[03:02:36] Salting newborns pickling them or killing them a practice that should be stopped

[03:02:41] Yeah, and what's really interesting is um, I read some of the report and they

[03:02:48] interviewed a bunch of moms on the maternity ward like 112 of them. Yeah, and

[03:02:54] It must have just been the area had a lot of these older cultures

[03:02:59] because a large portion of them either

[03:03:03] were into salting their babies or

[03:03:06] Had been told by their moms that they should salt the babies or

[03:03:11] um, their grandmothers had instructed them so they knew about it

[03:03:15] But weren't really one way or the other about it. But like it was prevalent

[03:03:20] The knowledge of it at least was prevalent. Sure. And then um, a lot of them

[03:03:26] The doctors since they found that it was so prevalent

[03:03:29] They started they created pamphlets to pass out to these people to explain the harms and to discourage them from doing it

[03:03:36] Yeah, but I mean it strikes me that the medical profession in general

[03:03:42] Throughout history has been put in a very

[03:03:44] interesting place in society with regard to

[03:03:47] teaching people

[03:03:49] the harm of their um,

[03:03:51] Their traditional practices

[03:03:53] Well, it is it is hard. It is a difficult position because for the longest time it was the religious

[03:03:59] community that was doing the medical care. Yeah, no, I'm saying I I

[03:04:05] Empathize with the medical practitioners because they they really are in a tough spot having to teach people

[03:04:12] essentially having a

[03:04:14] Theological discussion with people before you start treating, you know, right

[03:04:18] They're like thanks for all that you've done for centuries, but we'll take it from here

[03:04:23] Right and like the older cultures are like, I'm sorry

[03:04:27] You and typically it's a man

[03:04:29] And medical care always fell to women

[03:04:31] So a lot of time women in these older cultures are like, uh-huh. I hear you mansplaining

[03:04:37] But you don't fucking know what you're talking about. Sure. Sure

[03:04:40] Which kind of gets into like the whole witchcraft and you know as men became more into taking over the medical

[03:04:47] care

[03:04:49] They didn't like when women were still practicing and so they accused them of witchcraft when all they were doing was

[03:04:56] Trying to continue

[03:04:58] Their medical care that they were right, right? So it's just interesting the whole

[03:05:03] like you brought up the

[03:05:05] um religious versus science and how they haven't always been on the same side and sometimes they were

[03:05:13] Switched from where they are today

[03:05:15] Right, right and I guess the part that I was that that I find interesting is just the direct confrontation that is forced

[03:05:22] because of

[03:05:23] Science is budding up against tradition right here right right there in that medical

[03:05:29] treatment facility, right? Like you literally have the scientist and the

[03:05:33] The patient and the patient is saying I want to do things this way the science, you know, the doctor the scientist

[03:05:38] Is saying no, that's not correct. Like there's literally a

[03:05:42] theological divide

[03:05:45] One person to the next which you don't find that in many other

[03:05:48] Areas in society. I mean it wasn't so long ago that that nurse

[03:05:53] Um, I can't remember how long ago, but it was only a few hundred years ago

[03:05:57] um that the nurse

[03:05:59] Involved in this and I think it was like during the civil war or something was like

[03:06:03] Um, you're carrying germs sir doctor from one patient to the next

[03:06:06] I think maybe we need to wash our hands between patients

[03:06:09] Yeah, and she was like laughed out

[03:06:12] Right until like some other doctor took up her cause and was like

[03:06:16] Actually, right? Yeah. So I mean that wasn't that long ago. Yeah, so it's no it wasn't it's very interesting

[03:06:23] yeah, no, I

[03:06:24] It's I

[03:06:26] It's one of the reasons I love science because it's constantly evolving from you know practices that are archaic and

[03:06:32] And harmful even in itself

[03:06:35] Yeah harmful even in its own community, right? Yeah, definitely

[03:06:40] Um, did you have anything else for us today or was that pretty much it that was pretty much it

[03:06:44] Just wanted to talk about how we like to salt our babies. Okay. Well before we hop out of here

[03:06:48] I I have one thing that I want to say because I just I have to say it out loud to our fans because it's something that

[03:06:55] We were watching the other night and I really wanted to tell everybody about it

[03:06:59] And I I think it's a fantastic idea and if anybody has the ability to

[03:07:03] Do this

[03:07:05] I think you should so you all know that we love star trek. Mm-hmm. We do yeah, we do

[03:07:10] So um

[03:07:11] We were watching voyager and it was the end of a season going into the beginning of a new season

[03:07:17] And there was this it was going into season four. Yeah, okay. There you go

[03:07:20] There you go

[03:07:21] And the episode that we watched had the borg in it

[03:07:24] And they were being destroyed by this other race of like bug things or whatever

[03:07:30] Looked like the xenomorphs from the alien franchise. Yeah, yeah, so but

[03:07:34] There was a point where the the um, the crew was walking around on the borg ship

[03:07:39] The the the voyager crew was walking around on the borg ship

[03:07:42] And it was like a haunted house

[03:07:46] And look look look I was I was I think it's a fantastic idea and I looked it up

[03:07:51] There are no borg haunted houses out there. There needs to be a borg haunted house

[03:07:56] It'd be so fucking cool and creepy and awesome

[03:07:59] I think that is like

[03:08:01] Somebody needs to make that they'll make like it's probably gonna be in vegas, right?

[03:08:04] You got to do it in vegas because where else the fuck would you do it?

[03:08:07] Right, you know, I just can't imagine anywhere else. You would do it

[03:08:09] But like a borg haunted house. It needs to be a thing

[03:08:12] There used to be an enterprise in vegas there did and i'm very disappointed that you never took me there before

[03:08:18] It i'm very i'm very sorry because we were going to go repeat our vows there one day

[03:08:22] Somebody builds a borg haunted house for us because of what we're saying. I will fucking go to that borg haunted house wherever the fuck it is

[03:08:29] Okay

[03:08:30] But I need somebody to make it and it needs to happen

[03:08:33] You know in my lifetime and that would be amazing now see what I thought you were gonna bring up with regard to

[03:08:38] The star trek thing was the fact that in this episode we were introduced to seven of nine

[03:08:45] We were and

[03:08:47] We only recently finished watching the next generation before we started watching

[03:08:54] Deep space nine and voyager in conjunction with each other right right right right

[03:08:58] And we both swear

[03:09:00] Both from our childhoods as well as from our recent viewing that seven of nine was fucking introduced in

[03:09:07] The next generation right

[03:09:09] But it's not they were not yeah, she wasn't even on the show. Yeah, and we're like but I don't understand

[03:09:15] Right, I mean like when when you told me because we we saw that she was gonna be in this episode

[03:09:20] I was like, how does that work?

[03:09:21] Right, right. That was that was the first thing that came to my mind

[03:09:23] I'm like how does that timeline why did she get recaptured by the borg or something

[03:09:27] And like neither of us were questioning each other

[03:09:29] But then you went and looked it up and she was never in star trek next generation

[03:09:33] I'm like that can't be true that can't be true

[03:09:36] Like we're in an alternate timeline right now because here's the thing

[03:09:39] It's like the berenstein bears we both it's like the mandela effect is the mandela effect

[03:09:43] Because we both specifically remember a conversation that we had

[03:09:47] During our recent watching of next generation where I said, huh

[03:09:52] I thought she was on this a lot longer. I thought she was a regular character

[03:09:57] Right

[03:09:57] And then I was like, oh I looked it up and she does become a regular character on voyager, which I didn't know

[03:10:03] I can literally see her standing in

[03:10:06] Lieutenant yar's spot doing the security job. Like I swear that that's where she was. I don't know about that

[03:10:12] I don't remember that. I visualize that in my mind. Like I feel like that was her position

[03:10:17] And I swear I remember her standing like I I have images in my head

[03:10:22] Of seven of nine standing on the fucking bridge of this of the enterprise and here's something else neither of us really watched voyager

[03:10:30] much at all when we were kids

[03:10:32] Like I was graduated and I didn't watch my star trek at that point

[03:10:35] And I was already like in the army and out on my own by then like probably without even a tv

[03:10:41] But both you and I have a very strong impression of seven of nine

[03:10:44] Right. So where did that come from? I have no idea and that she was a regular character

[03:10:49] Right. I don't understand. Yeah. No, I I'm it blows me away blows me away

[03:10:55] I could I would have sworn that she was star trek next generation

[03:10:59] And she wasn't she was at all not even not even as a guest

[03:11:02] So why why do I remember this conversation that we just had? I don't I don't know. I don't know weird

[03:11:07] But it was a weird it was really weird and that's where I thought you were going with star trek not the borke haunted house

[03:11:13] But you're right. Yeah, seven of nine mystery. Yeah, that was definitely a weird

[03:11:17] Yeah, we we definitely still are struggling with the idea that she wasn't on star trek next generation somebody else

[03:11:23] Vindicate us. Tell us that yes, you remember the same right? Tell us this is like we're not crazy

[03:11:28] Oh, I mean we are crazy because it's wrong apparently but you know, we didn't think we were so

[03:11:32] It is what it is that you remember it the way we remember it, right? Yeah

[03:11:36] Anyway, um, there's our star trek update for the the month. Yeah, but I had to get that out because it was just like

[03:11:44] Anyway, someone build that please

[03:11:46] And also seven of nine tell us you do you agree with us or something build the borke haunted house and tell us if seven

[03:11:52] Of nine was on

[03:11:54] Um next generation in your memory. Yeah the end

[03:11:58] Right. All right. That was our q&a for today for a z heal chapters 16 through 20

[03:12:04] Indeed and I'll be getting up out the weekly wrap up here in just a few minutes after we get done with this

[03:12:10] And then we will be back tomorrow or not. Yeah tomorrow. Well by the time you get this maybe today

[03:12:16] Whatever, we'll be back as soon as this episode is over doing our um

[03:12:20] Z keel chapter 21. That's right. All right. We'll see you guys then bye

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