Bible Study BY Atheists: Lamentations Chapters 1 - 5 plus Q&A/Wrap Up and Contradictions

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[00:01:53] We are starting a new book of the Bible.

[00:01:55] We sure as fuck are.

[00:01:57] Which book are we starting again?

[00:01:58] We are starting Lamentations.

[00:02:01] Okay, is there a lot of lamenting going on in this?

[00:02:04] Actually, there is.

[00:02:05] Oh, okay.

[00:02:05] Yeah, they're using the word correctly.

[00:02:07] Oh, yeah.

[00:02:08] Alright.

[00:02:09] And I have a little bit of an intro to talk about what the fuck it is.

[00:02:13] Sure, sure.

[00:02:14] And then we'll read chapter one.

[00:02:16] Alright, sounds good.

[00:02:17] So what's the what's the intro?

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[00:02:20] In the main section.

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[00:04:14] Okay, so we are starting the book of Lamentations.

[00:04:17] Okay.

[00:04:18] Let's talk about it a little bit before we hop into the chapter.

[00:04:21] Sure.

[00:04:21] Okay.

[00:04:22] So the book of Lamentations, it's only five chapters.

[00:04:25] Oh man, we're going to finish another book quickly.

[00:04:27] We are.

[00:04:28] Wow.

[00:04:28] And that's exciting.

[00:04:29] That's exciting, yeah.

[00:04:30] Um, this is totally off topic, but um, I

[00:04:35] am a huge fan of Goodreads and um, listening to audio books, right?

[00:04:42] How can we incorporate Goodreads and audio books into Lamentations?

[00:04:45] Here we go.

[00:04:46] Yes.

[00:04:46] All right.

[00:04:46] Yes.

[00:04:46] Ready?

[00:04:47] Okay.

[00:04:47] Okay.

[00:04:48] So every year, Goodreads allows you to set a challenge for how many books you

[00:04:54] think you'll read or would like to read over the course of the year.

[00:04:57] Question.

[00:04:58] Do you get to count the books of the Bible?

[00:05:01] I mean, you could count the Bible as one.

[00:05:04] I think you'd really be pressing it to.

[00:05:06] I mean, you know, I'm just trying to think of a way to pad your numbers here.

[00:05:09] That's all.

[00:05:09] Okay.

[00:05:10] I have not actually been including the Bible and now I'm like thinking back and

[00:05:15] I'm kind of curious and I'm like, wait, but maybe I should be counting each book.

[00:05:19] I don't know.

[00:05:20] That's not what I was getting at.

[00:05:21] Sorry, sorry.

[00:05:22] So what I was getting at how this is related is that I start the beginning of the year

[00:05:28] with looking at how many hours each book on my challenge list is.

[00:05:33] Yeah.

[00:05:34] How long is each book?

[00:05:35] And I start the year with the shortest ones so that by summer, I've pretty much,

[00:05:42] if not halfway, sometimes fully reached my challenge number.

[00:05:48] Okay.

[00:05:48] And so every time I have one that's like under six hours long, I'm really excited

[00:05:54] about it because I get to like quote unquote pad my numbers, which is, you know,

[00:05:59] cool because let me tell you this is only five chapters.

[00:06:02] It's nothing, but we get credit for it.

[00:06:04] Sure.

[00:06:04] You know what I mean?

[00:06:05] Yeah.

[00:06:06] So that's how I tied those two together.

[00:06:08] Okay.

[00:06:09] You know, sometimes like when there's nothing to it and it's short, it just makes all the

[00:06:14] difference.

[00:06:15] Just so you guys know, wife is a super user of Goodreads, like super fucking user.

[00:06:21] When you say super user of Goodreads, I think what you mean is a super user of the Libby app.

[00:06:27] Okay.

[00:06:28] Which used, I used to use the Overdrive app, but the Overdrive app is going away.

[00:06:33] And that's where I listen to my audio books, which is online library.

[00:06:37] Okay.

[00:06:38] So don't you leave you leave reviews on Goodreads a lot, right?

[00:06:41] I don't leave reviews a lot.

[00:06:43] I have started writing reviews.

[00:06:46] I always mark my what I read when I started, when I finished and what I read it.

[00:06:52] Got it.

[00:06:52] So I don't always write reviews.

[00:06:55] I'm trying to start doing that more now because I'm trying to get more books off of

[00:06:59] Netgalley, which are ARCs, advanced reader copies.

[00:07:04] Wow, this is all Greek to me.

[00:07:05] I know it's it's I love the book thing.

[00:07:09] Yeah.

[00:07:09] Okay.

[00:07:10] Just that that's what that was.

[00:07:11] Right.

[00:07:12] Okay.

[00:07:12] Let's get back to the Bible.

[00:07:13] Yeah.

[00:07:14] So anyway.

[00:07:15] Okay.

[00:07:15] So Lamentations.

[00:07:17] It's a collection of poetic laments for the destruction of Jerusalem in 586 BCE.

[00:07:24] Huh.

[00:07:25] So just what we got done reading basically.

[00:07:27] Yeah.

[00:07:27] These are the poesy of it.

[00:07:29] Exactly.

[00:07:30] Exactly.

[00:07:32] And in the whole time, like it's supposed to be Jeremiah, like weeping.

[00:07:37] That's where we get the weeping profit.

[00:07:39] We were done within the Bible was like, Ha Ha.

[00:07:42] Yeah.

[00:07:43] Psych.

[00:07:43] Yeah.

[00:07:44] For as far back as tradition reaches, Lamentations has been read on Tisha Ba'av.

[00:07:51] Remember that, not celebration, commemoration, when you observation.

[00:08:00] Yeah.

[00:08:00] Observation.

[00:08:01] Yes.

[00:08:01] I couldn't think of the word.

[00:08:02] Okay.

[00:08:04] Every year that's the day that they memorialized the fact that they were they went into exile

[00:08:13] and Jerusalem was sacked and smashed.

[00:08:15] Got it.

[00:08:16] And then later on their second temple got smashed.

[00:08:19] Apparently we're not there yet.

[00:08:20] Spoilers.

[00:08:20] Sure.

[00:08:21] No, I just I didn't I didn't remember either, but I was just I was watching you try to come

[00:08:25] up with the words.

[00:08:25] And I'm like, what is it?

[00:08:27] I know you were like watching me and I was like, my God, we just talked about this.

[00:08:31] I understand that I can't think of the word because I often can't think of a word.

[00:08:37] But you were really hoping I had the answer.

[00:08:39] I assumed you had the answer because you always know the word I'm trying to say.

[00:08:44] But instead of looking at me like yes or I'm withholding because I like this.

[00:08:50] No, instead you were looking at me like you fool.

[00:08:53] What are you doing?

[00:08:55] You're ruining our podcast.

[00:08:58] Okay.

[00:08:59] So anyway, yeah, they read these lamentations every year during this observation because

[00:09:06] it memorializes their their trauma, their cultural trauma and their historical

[00:09:13] eight for what was.

[00:09:15] Got it.

[00:09:15] Okay.

[00:09:16] And it's not unreasonable to assume that that was actually its intended purpose when they wrote it.

[00:09:23] Okay.

[00:09:24] So the way it's written kind of lens toward reading it out loud.

[00:09:28] Memorializing.

[00:09:29] Yes, yes.

[00:09:30] The prophet Jeremiah is its traditional author.

[00:09:34] Traditional author.

[00:09:35] That is as far as I got because we're going to do a wrap up afterwards and I'll have more

[00:09:41] information then.

[00:09:42] Got it.

[00:09:42] I have to be really careful with these intros that I don't learn too much before we dive in.

[00:09:46] Right.

[00:09:47] You know?

[00:09:47] Sure.

[00:09:47] So I don't want to give myself spoilers.

[00:09:49] So I'm sure if they're saying up front that he's the traditional author that that means he wasn't.

[00:09:55] Right.

[00:09:56] So I'm sure it was the Deuteronomist.

[00:09:57] They wouldn't specify otherwise.

[00:09:59] Right, right.

[00:10:00] Now the original text was written in Hebrew.

[00:10:03] Okay.

[00:10:03] Okay.

[00:10:04] However, in the Septuagint the following words are found as part of the text and

[00:10:10] there's multiple different translations of the Septuagint which is the Greek one.

[00:10:15] Yeah, right.

[00:10:16] But even of that there is more than one Septuagint translation like there's the

[00:10:21] Alexandrian and then there's I forget what the other one is.

[00:10:25] Got it.

[00:10:25] But at any rate in all of the Greek copies these words are found as part of the text

[00:10:32] but they're not in the Hebrew.

[00:10:35] Got it.

[00:10:35] Okay.

[00:10:36] And it came to pass after Israel had been carried away captive and Jerusalem was become

[00:10:42] desolate that Jeremiah sat weeping and he lamented with this lamentation over Jerusalem

[00:10:50] and he said.

[00:10:52] And then the book begins.

[00:10:53] And this goes back to them calling him the weeping prophet too.

[00:10:56] Yes, exactly.

[00:10:59] So the first four of the five poems are written as across tits.

[00:11:05] Do you remember what those are?

[00:11:06] Not off the top of my head.

[00:11:07] Okay, so we've run into this is the term but I don't remember what it is.

[00:11:11] Yeah, no problem.

[00:11:12] I'll explain again.

[00:11:13] This is the fifth of several poem, poemy writings that had across tits in them.

[00:11:23] And what they are is the beginning letter of each line starts with the next letter

[00:11:30] of the alphabet.

[00:11:31] Got it.

[00:11:31] Yeah.

[00:11:32] Okay.

[00:11:33] It took strategy to make the the poetry, if you will.

[00:11:37] Sure.

[00:11:38] Okay.

[00:11:39] They are used in succession to begin the lines and sections of those songs.

[00:11:44] Some people claim that that's to show the beginning and the end and that they lamented

[00:11:51] the full way through the entire alphabet blah blah blah but I'm like no because they did it

[00:11:56] in other places too and it was a literary device that they used back then.

[00:12:00] Right.

[00:12:01] They put a lot of, I mean there's a lot of sections that we've covered where they use this

[00:12:06] tool, this type of prose.

[00:12:08] This was the fifth one of that.

[00:12:10] Yeah, so I mean it, they must lend a lot of like, they like their alphabet.

[00:12:16] They like their language.

[00:12:18] They like their bookends.

[00:12:20] Right.

[00:12:20] You know what I mean?

[00:12:21] They like their beginning and end and everything in the middle.

[00:12:25] They like things tied up neat and tidy.

[00:12:27] Sure.

[00:12:27] And that's, you know, that's the same way where they try to compare Jeremiah and his 40 years

[00:12:33] with Moses' 40 years and how it started and ended at the same place with the same number.

[00:12:39] Like they very much like their bookends.

[00:12:42] Right.

[00:12:42] So this just lends to that.

[00:12:45] Yeah.

[00:12:45] Yeah.

[00:12:46] All right, so we are going to start lamentations.

[00:12:48] Are you ready?

[00:12:49] I am ready.

[00:12:50] All right, chapter one.

[00:12:52] How deserted lies the city once so full of people.

[00:12:57] How like a widow is she who once was great among the nations.

[00:13:02] She who was queen among the provinces has now become a slave.

[00:13:07] Bitterly, she weeps at night.

[00:13:09] Tears are on her cheeks.

[00:13:12] Among all her lovers there is no one to comfort her.

[00:13:16] All her friends have betrayed her.

[00:13:18] They have become her enemies.

[00:13:20] And this is of course the personification of the city itself.

[00:13:23] Right, no.

[00:13:24] And it's, this is.

[00:13:25] It's pretty neat.

[00:13:26] Yeah, I actually like it.

[00:13:29] After affliction and harsh labor, Judah has gone into exile.

[00:13:34] She dwells among the nations.

[00:13:36] She finds no resting place.

[00:13:39] All who pursue her have overtaken her in the midst of her distress.

[00:13:44] The roads to Zion mourn for no one comes to her appointed festivals.

[00:13:50] All her gateways are desolate.

[00:13:52] Her priests groan.

[00:13:54] Her young women grieve.

[00:13:56] And she is in bitter anguish.

[00:13:59] Yeah, this is pretty good stuff.

[00:14:00] I mean it's very.

[00:14:01] It is.

[00:14:02] I approve of this actually.

[00:14:03] It touches my heart actually.

[00:14:04] Right, this is meaningful and very.

[00:14:07] I could see myself sitting with people at one of these observation memorializing

[00:14:14] and having this read aloud and I could see myself crying.

[00:14:17] Yeah, it's very somber and very, it holds a lot of meaning.

[00:14:20] Like it's very nice.

[00:14:22] Yeah.

[00:14:23] When I say I like it, I don't mean that I like the tragedy that caused it.

[00:14:27] No, no, of course not.

[00:14:28] But this is beautiful.

[00:14:29] But the poise and it is very strong and I appreciate it.

[00:14:34] Her foes have become her masters.

[00:14:37] Her enemies are at ease.

[00:14:39] The Lord has brought her grief because of her many sins.

[00:14:43] Her children have gone into exile captive before the foe.

[00:14:48] All the splendor has departed from the daughter Zion.

[00:14:52] Her princes are like deer that find no pasture.

[00:14:56] In weakness they have fled before the pursuer.

[00:14:59] In the days of her affliction and wandering, Jerusalem remembers all the treasures that

[00:15:05] were hers in days of old.

[00:15:07] When her people fell into enemy hands, there was no one to help her.

[00:15:12] Her enemies looked at her and laughed at her destruction.

[00:15:16] Jerusalem has sinned greatly and so has become unclean.

[00:15:21] Now explain a little bit what that means later.

[00:15:23] Got it.

[00:15:24] All who honored her despise her for they have all seen her naked.

[00:15:29] She herself groans and turns away.

[00:15:32] Her filthiness clung to her skirts.

[00:15:35] She did not consider her future.

[00:15:37] Her fall was astounding.

[00:15:40] There was none to comfort her.

[00:15:42] It's funny even, sorry, sorry, I have to interrupt here just for a second.

[00:15:44] But even in this somber poem that they're reading, right?

[00:15:48] They're still saying how shitty these people are.

[00:15:54] It started off really strong and really good, but now it's like and you guys still,

[00:15:58] this is why it happened, you guys sucked.

[00:16:00] Yeah, and that's what these lamentations are.

[00:16:04] They're sad for what happened, but they're also blaming themselves.

[00:16:08] So it's not just him pointing the finger at the people.

[00:16:12] This is basically the people pointing the fingers at the people.

[00:16:17] Sure.

[00:16:17] So we're supposed to believe that he spoke for the people.

[00:16:21] Got it.

[00:16:22] Does that make sense?

[00:16:23] Yeah.

[00:16:23] Like he's not being accusatory.

[00:16:28] He's whoever the author is, which I'm pretty sure was the Deuteronomus.

[00:16:35] So they all together collectively agreed we ache for what we've done.

[00:16:41] Got it.

[00:16:42] Okay.

[00:16:42] Okay.

[00:16:43] So, okay.

[00:16:44] Sorry.

[00:16:44] Captain before the foe, princes, she's yucky and they laughed.

[00:16:49] Okay.

[00:16:50] Jerusalem has sinned greatly and so has become unclean.

[00:16:54] Oh, I already read that.

[00:16:56] Sorry.

[00:16:57] The enemy.

[00:16:57] Oh wait no.

[00:16:58] Okay, hold on.

[00:16:59] We're getting there.

[00:17:00] Well, I'm sorry.

[00:17:01] No, I interrupted you.

[00:17:02] You did.

[00:17:02] You did.

[00:17:03] Her filthiness clung to her skirts.

[00:17:06] She did not consider her future.

[00:17:08] Her fall was astounding.

[00:17:10] There was none to comfort her.

[00:17:12] Look, Lord, on my affliction for the enemy has triumphed.

[00:17:17] That's in quotes her speaking.

[00:17:19] Yeah, sure.

[00:17:20] The enemy laid hands on all her treasures.

[00:17:24] She saw pagan nations enter her sanctuary.

[00:17:28] Those you had forbidden to enter your assembly.

[00:17:32] All her people groan as they search for bread.

[00:17:35] They barter their treasures for food to keep themselves alive.

[00:17:39] Look, Lord, and consider for I am despised.

[00:17:43] Okay.

[00:17:45] We're about halfway through but I just want to run back a minute

[00:17:48] just to point out some things.

[00:17:49] Okay.

[00:17:50] So it starts out saying that she's basically like a widow

[00:17:55] and that has more than one connotation to it.

[00:18:00] Like we can see on the surface what that means is, yeah.

[00:18:04] I mean.

[00:18:04] Right, but also God considered Jerusalem his bride at some

[00:18:08] point so it means that it's without God I would imagine also.

[00:18:11] Yes, exactly.

[00:18:13] And also a widow she would have been living with her husband and his family.

[00:18:19] Right?

[00:18:20] Well, when he when the husband died the husband's family

[00:18:25] usually despised the widow and kicked her out.

[00:18:28] Got it.

[00:18:29] Because she was just like another mouth to feed.

[00:18:31] Wow.

[00:18:32] Yeah.

[00:18:32] So there's that aspect of it too.

[00:18:36] That's the deeper one that she is despised even by those who should be

[00:18:41] loving her and caring for her.

[00:18:42] Got it, got it.

[00:18:43] Okay.

[00:18:44] Then we go into the fact that they say that she's filthy and that

[00:18:51] her grossness sticks to her skirt or whatever.

[00:18:56] That's an illusion to menstrual blood.

[00:19:00] Okay.

[00:19:01] Got it.

[00:19:01] So.

[00:19:02] Sure.

[00:19:02] She's in her most horrible and atrocious and embarrassing state.

[00:19:10] She's nude, just a mess.

[00:19:13] Right, yeah.

[00:19:14] So that's what we're supposed to gather from this.

[00:19:17] Sure.

[00:19:17] And then also when it talks about how she had them coming inside her so to speak I

[00:19:30] know the way I said that.

[00:19:31] Yeah, right, yeah.

[00:19:32] Like the nations entered her.

[00:19:34] Yeah, no it sounded very sexual.

[00:19:35] And it is supposed to be.

[00:19:37] Like she was a whore, she opened her legs to these other nations and they just used

[00:19:43] her and then threw her away.

[00:19:44] Wow.

[00:19:45] So yes.

[00:19:47] There's a lot, it's actually very symbolic and very intelligently written.

[00:19:53] Like you don't have to look far for it.

[00:19:55] Sure.

[00:19:55] And once you know it's there you cannot unsee it.

[00:19:58] I almost commented on that but I wasn't sure 100%.

[00:20:01] So I was reserving judgment on that.

[00:20:04] But.

[00:20:05] Yep, no that's exactly what it is.

[00:20:07] Yeah.

[00:20:07] You would have had it right.

[00:20:08] All right let me find my place because I once again.

[00:20:11] Lost it.

[00:20:12] Lost it.

[00:20:13] Okay so yeah that's why she's sad because she's like I'm disgusting and I hate myself.

[00:20:20] Sure.

[00:20:20] If I hate myself how could God not hate me?

[00:20:23] Right, right, yeah.

[00:20:25] So now we're switching back to her speaking again.

[00:20:30] Okay, all right.

[00:20:31] Her being the city.

[00:20:32] Sure.

[00:20:32] Just to put it out there again this is the personification of the city.

[00:20:38] Right.

[00:20:38] Okay.

[00:20:39] Is it nothing to you all you who pass by look around and see is any suffering like my

[00:20:47] suffering that was inflicted on me that the Lord brought on me in the day of his fierce anger?

[00:20:53] From on high he sent fire sent it down into my bones.

[00:20:58] He spread a net for my feet and turned me back.

[00:21:02] He made me desolate faint all the day long.

[00:21:06] My sins have been bound into a yoke by his hands they were woven together.

[00:21:12] They have been hung on my neck and the Lord has sapped my strength.

[00:21:16] He has given me into the hands of those I cannot withstand.

[00:21:21] So the slavery that they're enduring is their own fault due to their sense?

[00:21:27] Yes.

[00:21:28] There's also that callback to remember early on when Jeremiah in one of the earlier chapters

[00:21:34] he wore a yoke.

[00:21:36] Right, right.

[00:21:37] And so now, yeah, you know they're kind of literally doing that.

[00:21:41] So that was a callback to that.

[00:21:43] Got it.

[00:21:44] Okay.

[00:21:44] The Lord has rejected all the warriors in my midst.

[00:21:48] He has summoned an army against me to crush my young men.

[00:21:53] In his wine press the Lord has trampled Virgin daughter Judah.

[00:21:58] This, okay I think now we are back to Jeremiah but I could be wrong because it doesn't specifically say.

[00:22:05] Okay.

[00:22:06] But the following line leads me to believe that this is Jeremiah speaking now.

[00:22:10] Okay.

[00:22:11] This is why I weep and my eyes overflow with tears.

[00:22:15] No one is near to comfort me.

[00:22:17] No one to restore my spirit.

[00:22:20] No, I guess it is.

[00:22:20] Could still be the city.

[00:22:21] It is still the city because then the next line within the same quote is my children are destitute

[00:22:27] because the enemy has prevailed and of course he doesn't have children so it had to be the city.

[00:22:32] Right, yeah, sure.

[00:22:33] Zion stretches out her hands but there was no one to comfort her.

[00:22:37] The Lord has decreed for Jacob that his neighbors become his foes.

[00:22:42] Jerusalem has become an unclean thing among them.

[00:22:47] And again those are menstrual rags.

[00:22:49] Right, right.

[00:22:50] The Lord is righteous yet I rebelled against his command.

[00:22:54] Listen all you peoples, look on my suffering.

[00:22:57] My young men and young women have gone into exile.

[00:23:01] I called to my allies but they betrayed me.

[00:23:05] My priests and my elders perished in the city while they searched for food to keep themselves alive.

[00:23:12] See Lord how distressed I am.

[00:23:14] I am in torment within and in my heart I am disturbed

[00:23:18] for I have been most rebellious.

[00:23:21] Outside the sword bereaves.

[00:23:24] Inside there is only death.

[00:23:27] People have heard my groaning but there is no one to comfort me.

[00:23:31] All my enemies have heard of my distress.

[00:23:34] They rejoice at what you have done.

[00:23:36] May you bring the day you have announced so they may become like me.

[00:23:41] So this is them asking for retribution on their enemies?

[00:23:44] Yeah, of course.

[00:23:45] Essentially.

[00:23:46] No good prayer without a little bit of vengeance thrown in for good measure.

[00:23:50] Let all their wickedness come before you.

[00:23:54] Deal with them as you have dealt with me because of all my sins.

[00:23:57] My groans are many and my heart is faint.

[00:24:01] The end.

[00:24:02] I really liked that chapter.

[00:24:06] Yeah.

[00:24:06] I mean, and so far as chapters go in the Bible it was very beautiful.

[00:24:11] It was well written.

[00:24:13] Particularly the first third I think.

[00:24:16] Yeah, for sure.

[00:24:16] It was very, very heart.

[00:24:19] It did touch my heart.

[00:24:20] And it encompasses a lot of what happened to them with regard to the Babylonian exile.

[00:24:25] So I mean I can appreciate what that is in regard to that.

[00:24:28] Yes.

[00:24:30] The message is still the same message we've been getting throughout the Bible.

[00:24:34] God's a dick.

[00:24:35] He killed him.

[00:24:35] He made them suffer.

[00:24:38] They're going to be slaves and you know.

[00:24:40] He's blaming them for him having disappeared on him for a bit.

[00:24:43] Right, right.

[00:24:43] So I mean it's the same exact message.

[00:24:45] It's just.

[00:24:46] The phrasing makes the difference.

[00:24:48] Right.

[00:24:49] Well because in the previous chapters too we've been reading about the history and the dates

[00:24:55] and the names and you know what happened where.

[00:24:59] And this truly is a lament.

[00:25:01] This is from a broken people.

[00:25:04] Right, right.

[00:25:05] And that you can't help but feel the pity and the sorrow.

[00:25:09] Sure.

[00:25:09] Yeah.

[00:25:10] No, I agree.

[00:25:11] I mean it's like if a tragedy happened in the United States right and somebody wrote a really

[00:25:16] heartfelt song about it after the fact.

[00:25:18] Right.

[00:25:19] And we all kind of rallied behind that song.

[00:25:21] This is kind of how that feels.

[00:25:23] Right, right.

[00:25:23] Like it's a very sentimental value with regard to what this is so that people can have the

[00:25:31] feels you know like get behind it and be like yeah we miss our Jerusalem and we love it and

[00:25:36] we want to get back and this is what should happen.

[00:25:38] Here's the same message but we're going to take the time to make this very beautiful so

[00:25:42] that everybody can appreciate it and appreciate what we had and lost and what we need to get back.

[00:25:46] Right, exactly.

[00:25:47] Exactly.

[00:25:48] It's not a rallying cry.

[00:25:52] It is a gathering cry though.

[00:25:55] Sure.

[00:25:56] Like let us gather together and mourn as a community.

[00:26:00] Yeah.

[00:26:01] Which you've got to mourn before you can move to anger.

[00:26:04] Right.

[00:26:05] And you know get back on your feet.

[00:26:06] I don't know they moved to anger pretty quickly there at the you know.

[00:26:09] Right, yes I see what you're saying but I just meant like it's saying let's mourn together

[00:26:16] let's you know get our feet under us and figure out where we go from here.

[00:26:20] Yeah.

[00:26:21] And then you know get the guns and kill everybody.

[00:26:23] Sure.

[00:26:24] I feel like I'm going to be doing a lot less talking than these five chapters because

[00:26:28] it's just I want to hear what the words say.

[00:26:31] Yeah and I try to wait for correct stopping point before I interjected what little notes there were.

[00:26:40] Well and occasionally I want to stop just because I have an idea but I mean it's very

[00:26:44] beautifully written so I will give it that.

[00:26:46] I want everybody listening to hear us say that we are appreciating a piece of the Bible

[00:26:53] because we have been accused of like you know coming in with an agenda and not being

[00:26:59] able to understand any or appreciate any of the beauty of it and so.

[00:27:05] We have pointed out parts that we have really liked and this was a good chapter.

[00:27:10] Yeah I agree.

[00:27:13] All right well that's all there is.

[00:27:14] All right so that was Lamentations Chapter One.

[00:27:16] Sure as fuck was.

[00:27:17] And we will be back tomorrow with.

[00:27:20] Lamentations Chapter Two.

[00:27:22] All right we'll see you then.

[00:27:24] Bye.

[00:27:28] Husband.

[00:27:30] Wife.

[00:27:31] What chapter are we on and how did we get here and where were we yesterday.

[00:27:36] Well we just read Lamentations Chapter One.

[00:27:39] Sure as fuck did.

[00:27:40] And in that chapter it was actually kind of a cool poetry reading type thing for

[00:27:49] the destruction of Jerusalem.

[00:27:50] Right I mean it was a collective mourning of the people's loss.

[00:27:58] Right right yeah and it was it was well done.

[00:28:00] I mean for the Bible thus far I will give it credit.

[00:28:04] It did not suck completely.

[00:28:06] Right it was especially the first third of the chapter I thought.

[00:28:10] Yeah for sure.

[00:28:11] Just was a really nice imagery nice just really good poetry.

[00:28:16] Yeah and of course we had to fall into the same you know Jerusalem sucks for

[00:28:21] sinning and then God's destroying them and then they're gonna have vengeance on their enemies

[00:28:25] but I mean that's to be expected in the Bible so I mean you know without a side.

[00:28:29] Sure.

[00:28:30] It was it was all good you know so that was Lamentations Chapter One.

[00:28:34] Yes it was.

[00:28:35] Which means that today we're getting into.

[00:28:37] Lamentations Chapter Two.

[00:28:39] All right let's do this.

[00:28:40] Okie dokie.

[00:28:50] All right so we are getting into Chapter Two of Lamentations.

[00:28:54] Okay.

[00:28:56] How the Lord has covered daughter Zion with the cloud of his anger.

[00:29:02] Yes he has he's done that.

[00:29:04] Mm-hmm he has hurled down the splendor of Israel from heaven to earth.

[00:29:10] He has not remembered his footstool in the day of his anger.

[00:29:15] Oh interesting he's referring to them as let me like he's referred to them as his footstool before

[00:29:20] but that's an interesting reference there.

[00:29:22] Yeah I like that.

[00:29:23] Well and the cloud is also an interesting reference.

[00:29:27] Right.

[00:29:28] When he's saying that the city is covered with a cloud of his anger.

[00:29:34] Right right.

[00:29:35] When early on you know he they saw him as a cloud.

[00:29:38] He was a cloud right yeah.

[00:29:40] Without pity the Lord has swallowed up all the dwellings of Jacob.

[00:29:45] In his wrath he has torn down the strongholds of daughter Judah.

[00:29:50] He has brought her kingdom and its princes down to the ground in dishonor.

[00:29:56] In fierce anger he has cut off every horn of Israel.

[00:30:01] I wonder if that's a reference to the horn like you remember there was those horns back in

[00:30:07] like it was Joshua we were talking about the horns I think and I wonder if that's a

[00:30:11] reference to those horns.

[00:30:13] See I was concentrating on the fact that we're always asking in our contradiction episodes

[00:30:19] where you're always wrong.

[00:30:21] Right.

[00:30:22] If God gets angry.

[00:30:24] Yeah.

[00:30:24] You know one of the answers is always no he would never and I'm like I'm sorry.

[00:30:29] Fierce anger.

[00:30:30] In fierce anger he has cut off every horn of Israel.

[00:30:35] Right yeah.

[00:30:35] He has withdrawn his right hand at the approach of the enemy.

[00:30:41] Oh that's his fighting hand.

[00:30:44] Yeah he has burned in Jacob like a flamin fire that consumes everything around it

[00:30:51] like an enemy he has strung his bow his right hand is ready.

[00:30:57] Wow they're literally saying God's fighting against Israel sort of here or Judah you know.

[00:31:02] You know what this reminds me of remember that one time way back when like there was

[00:31:07] an angel of the Lord or some guy that was like wrestling.

[00:31:11] Esau.

[00:31:12] Esau like forever and ever and ever.

[00:31:14] Yeah in the desert or whatever yeah.

[00:31:15] Yeah.

[00:31:15] Right.

[00:31:16] And it's like was that God was that an angel of the Lord like what the fuck

[00:31:21] and he had armor but we didn't know who he was this reminds me of that guy.

[00:31:25] Okay.

[00:31:26] Like is it the same like or like if you read stuff that like

[00:31:36] the show Supernatural would draw from it you know where they say the angel Michael is you know

[00:31:41] his sword man or whatever right like is this Michael or some shit.

[00:31:46] Who knows.

[00:31:47] I don't know angels so right you know I'm just I don't think I get real heavy

[00:31:51] into angels in the the Old Testament that I mean there are angels in there right not a lot.

[00:31:56] No they get into that more a little bit I think in the NT.

[00:32:00] I think so it could be wrong about that but yeah.

[00:32:02] I mean there is an angel that whispers in Mary's ear your pregoid yeah and it's gonna be goddess.

[00:32:10] Yep yep like a foe he has slain all who were pleasing to the eye all the pretty

[00:32:17] maidens in a row he knocked them down he has poured out his wrath like fire on the tent of

[00:32:24] daughter's eye on man he burn that shit to the ground.

[00:32:27] Yeah.

[00:32:28] The Lord is like an enemy.

[00:32:30] Oh I would say he's more he's not like an enemy he is a fucking enemy.

[00:32:34] Yeah learn if you just read the entire Old Testament to this point he is a fucking enemy.

[00:32:39] Yeah learn the difference between like metaphor and simile because

[00:32:43] he used the wrong one right he has swallowed up Israel like a goddamn shark yeah he has swallowed

[00:32:51] up all her palaces and destroyed her strongholds he has multiplied mourning and lamentation

[00:32:59] for daughter Judah.

[00:33:00] Yeah he did they even got a namesake for the the chat the book that we're in there.

[00:33:05] He has laid waste his dwelling like a garden he yeah wait like a garden he

[00:33:12] fucked that shit up like a garden wait what that's not that's not good imagery my idea of

[00:33:19] a garden is very different from the Bible's idea of a garden I guess.

[00:33:24] So he laid waste his dwelling like a garden he has destroyed his place of meeting the Lord

[00:33:31] has made Zion forget her appointed festivals and her Sabbaths we talked about that in chapter one.

[00:33:38] In his fierce anger he has spurned both king and priest damn fuck all the leaders.

[00:33:46] The Lord has rejected his altar and abandoned his sanctuary.

[00:33:53] Okay does that mean he ain't in the ark no more?

[00:33:57] Well I don't we haven't really heard where the fuck the ark is in a long time but

[00:34:01] the temple was there and that was technically his sanctuary I think that they're referring to.

[00:34:06] And then they were talking about the footstool yeah which sometimes the footstool is the whole

[00:34:10] planet earth and sometimes it's just the tabernacle or the temple right right but you can't have a very

[00:34:16] strong god if he's not like they're saying he abandoned his place of dwelling or whatever

[00:34:24] right because if he was there he'd be able to defend it right yes and the temple the temple

[00:34:29] got torn down yeah right so that he had to have abandoned them otherwise he would have been

[00:34:33] able to stop them yes that's that's what happened right it's the only logical explanation left

[00:34:39] and for people who believe in a fucking guy that's an asshole right exactly yeah so silly

[00:34:45] he has given the walls of her palaces into the hands of the enemy they have raised a shout

[00:34:51] in the house of the Lord as on the day of an appointed festival the Lord determined to tear

[00:34:58] down the wall around daughter Zion mm okay he stretched out a major measuring line and did not

[00:35:06] withhold his hand from destroying so he's like go ahead take him down right he made ramparts and

[00:35:14] walls lament oh that kind of line back together they wasted away ramparts and walls lament yeah I

[00:35:24] actually like that phrasing even though it's silly right I like it yeah I'll allow it sure her gates

[00:35:31] have sunk into the ground their bars he has broken and destroyed her king and her princes are exiled

[00:35:39] among the nations the law is no more and her prophets no longer find visions from the Lord

[00:35:47] okay what what so Jeremiah done huh I guess I mean what

[00:35:57] that's crazy no more profit yeah the elders of daughter that would like lean towards the fact

[00:36:03] that he didn't write this shit because he dead right is what I'm thinking yeah I mean yeah whatever

[00:36:09] if he's a prophet he's doing profiting things right one would think but you know also well

[00:36:16] there's a there's a definitely radio silence at the end of Jeremiah once you hit the

[00:36:21] Babylonian exile he's an ex-profit right yeah but the current prop whatever I get how can you be

[00:36:27] maybe there are no profits because you can't have a prophet that's not prophesizing right

[00:36:30] right if you're not prophesizing you're not a fucking prophet exactly I mean I'm just saying

[00:36:34] yeah kind of negates the whole name of the the job yeah yeah he got fired yeah oh poor guy

[00:36:42] the daughters of daughter no wait what I read that wrong the elders of daughter Zion

[00:36:49] sit on the ground in silence they have sprinkled dust on their heads and put on sack cloth

[00:36:54] they're in time out they are in time out but they are also in their morning clothes yes yes

[00:37:00] the young women of Jerusalem have bowed their heads to the ground my eyes fail from weeping

[00:37:06] I am in torment within my heart is poured out on the ground because my people are destroyed

[00:37:13] because children and infants faint in the streets of the city that probably has to do with well they

[00:37:19] were talking about how they were hungry yeah they saw even find bread and stuff before in the last

[00:37:23] chapter so that's why they're fainting yeah yeah they say to their mothers where is bread and wine

[00:37:29] there it is yeah as children do they are always asking for wine as they faint like the wounded

[00:37:34] in the streets of the city as their lives ebb away in their mother's arms wow that's that's

[00:37:42] creeptastic yeah mother where is bread and wine I mean they're just saying that they're starving

[00:37:49] to death so yeah what can I say for you with what can I compare you daughter Jerusalem

[00:37:56] to what can I liken you that I may comfort you virgin daughter Zion your wound is as deep

[00:38:04] as the sea who can heal you who can make a sunrise the candy man can yeah the visions of your profits

[00:38:16] were false and worthless they did not expose your sin to ward off your captivity the prophecies

[00:38:22] they gave you were false and misleading those fuckers except for Jeremiah right except for him

[00:38:29] he's the only one yeah all who pass your way clapped their hands at you everybody just clap your hands

[00:38:37] they scoff and shake their heads at daughter Jerusalem is this the city that was called the

[00:38:44] perfection of beauty the joy of the whole earth rashi that's them laughing yeah I got it I got

[00:38:53] all your enemies open their mouths wide against you they scoff and gnash their teeth and say

[00:39:02] we have swallowed her up this is the day we have waited for we have lived to see it

[00:39:13] wife is really enjoying this I love me some I'm just like kind of watching in all right now

[00:39:20] the theater is so fun it's fun I mean they're like they were scoffing how can I not scoff

[00:39:26] I gotta do a scoffing monopoly voice you know scoffing monopoly voice you know the the monopoly man

[00:39:33] I do know the monopoly man he's got the monocle and he's got the top hat and he's like prom prom

[00:39:38] prom yeah yeah yeah I can see him coming up and going yeah see the lord has done what he planned

[00:39:46] he has fulfilled his word which he decreed long ago remember that time which one are we talking about

[00:39:52] exactly be quiet he has overthrown you without pity he has let the enemy gloat over you he has

[00:40:02] exalted the horn of your foes he has fucked you royally yeah right oh guys guys you could pick

[00:40:11] any god right pick a different one yeah the hearts of the people cry out to the lord you

[00:40:17] walls of daughters ion let your tears flow like a river day and night give yourself no relief

[00:40:25] your eyes no rest arise cry out in the night as the watches of the night begin pour out your

[00:40:34] heart like water in the presence of the lord lift up your hands to him for the lives of your

[00:40:40] children who faint from hunger at every street corner but why though he said he ain't looking at

[00:40:47] you no more right he pissed yeah why why are you gonna cry to him he's like nah i'm done with you

[00:40:53] because i mean i think there's still that idea that they can be redeemed right so they're

[00:40:57] they're gonna try real hard okay you know if you try hard enough and long enough maybe eventually

[00:41:02] they'll stop hating on you and letting your kids die in your arms starving to death

[00:41:06] i just died in your arms tonight it must have been some shit i ate

[00:41:15] look lord and consider whom have you ever treated like this sounds like trump right nobody's ever

[00:41:22] been treated like this yeah should women who no this is not okay oh i don't want to read this

[00:41:30] this should women eat their offspring the children they have cared for oh jeez should

[00:41:37] priest and prophet be killed in the sanctuary of the lord i mean no the answer is no i'm

[00:41:43] to either one of those just stuck on that like they had mentioned before like the kids but that

[00:41:50] was like generic like right like that's gonna happen and now oh that that is happening

[00:41:57] the baby's like mommy where's the bread and wine and the mom's like right here i got some for you

[00:42:05] okay i had to kind of make it funny because i don't want to cry and i feel like crying when i picture

[00:42:11] like that's just a horrible image it is it and i resent that being put into my head

[00:42:18] so instead i'm gonna picture it as a humorous scene because that's how i don't cry okay all

[00:42:24] right okay should priest and prophet blah blah blah young and old lie together in the dust of the

[00:42:32] streets my young men and young women have fallen by the sword you have slain them in the day of your

[00:42:38] anger you have slaughtered them without pity as you summon to a feast day so you summoned against

[00:42:46] me terrors on every side in the day of the lord's anger no one escaped or survived those i cared

[00:42:53] for and reared my enemy has destroyed the end okay fuck that fucking chapter yeah i was having fun

[00:43:01] with it and then they're like and then they're eating each other right like yeah i didn't want

[00:43:08] baby zombies in there that's just that doesn't sound like you mentioned in the last chapter

[00:43:14] that they read these things at the the festival to remember the Babylonian exile and stuff

[00:43:20] like that i just i can't imagine reading some of this stuff in front of like a family gathering

[00:43:25] type situation yeah well there's like kids in the crowd right like careful because if we get

[00:43:30] hungry enough your mommy's gonna eat you like it's it's kind of disturbing imagery you know like

[00:43:36] the slaughtering and the the starving and the the cannibalism and just like all that like crazy

[00:43:43] yeah i don't want to and i was having fun with this chapter you know yeah right up until that point

[00:43:50] yeah and then i'm like oh okay thank you for draining all joy from me appreciate you i will say we do

[00:43:56] know that this is hypothetically written by Jeremiah right but like i right i know i know

[00:44:02] but there's a distinct lack of a mention of his name throughout these chapters which

[00:44:11] is not how the stuff that Jeremiah was written writing wrote those chapters yeah this is all like

[00:44:16] third person like the city this and the city that and god these and god those right people

[00:44:23] the chapters i feel like Jeremiah did write in Jeremiah or written more from a first person

[00:44:29] type perspective with mentioning that he's speaking for god on these moments yeah yeah

[00:44:34] and there is none of that it's specifically it's poems and songs someone speaking for Judah or for

[00:44:40] God yeah without the mention of their speaking for that person yeah which i guess you could also

[00:44:46] say okay this is a poem that maybe Jeremiah wrote i guess you could say that if you want to

[00:44:53] but it just doesn't feel like it's Jeremiah yeah and i totally agree and i know we kind of already

[00:45:00] covered that but i just wanted to say it again because it just doesn't feel like it to me no i

[00:45:05] i agree like it doesn't feel like he was walking around town during the day with a sign around his

[00:45:10] neck like facing off with the the town leadership ringing his the end is nigh bell right and then

[00:45:18] going home and curling up in his bed with his little diary and his glitter pen yeah his glitter

[00:45:23] gel pen going dear you know tomorrow sure i hate it when i think about these sad images they make me

[00:45:31] weep and i'm hate that i'm gonna be known as the weeping guy well and moreover like based on what

[00:45:37] we know the history of Jeremiah like there is no point where we are aware that he was ever in

[00:45:44] you know exile like it is most likely he died in Egypt in Egypt so right right it just doesn't

[00:45:52] make sense yeah well that that whole aspect of it doesn't make sense doesn't make sense but anyway

[00:45:58] that's another chapter of lamentations she was just said done with chapter two right of lamentations

[00:46:05] and that means that tomorrow we will be back with lamentations chapter three and just for

[00:46:12] the record i think we might be releasing a little later in the day tomorrow just because of things

[00:46:16] that are going on and what have you so yeah we have family going out of town and us doing cat

[00:46:23] sitting and house watching and transportation back and forth it's a busy week yeah it's a whole thing

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[00:47:29] husband wife do you remember what happened in the last episode and where the hell we are today

[00:47:35] well we're in lamentation so it is poetry i like your poet dot dot dot two yeah but i mean last this

[00:47:45] last episode was all about the destruction of Jerusalem and and shittiness and and and you know

[00:47:53] whatever they god god killed a lot of people in Jerusalem and sent them out of their their

[00:47:58] city and destroyed the city and and stuff like that so yeah that was uh lamentations chapter two

[00:48:05] and he it was poetry he left his footstool yeah you're not a footstool anymore guys but man it was poetic

[00:48:14] that's a fact so that means that today we're getting into well that was lamentations chapter two

[00:48:19] so today we're getting into lamentations chapter three all right let's do this oki doki

[00:48:25] all right so now we are jumping into lamentations chapter three okay here we go all right i am the man

[00:48:41] i'm the man you are the man damn the man damn the man yeah i am the man who has seen affliction by

[00:48:48] the rod of the lord's wrath man why is he always gonna be afflicting you with his rod i hate the

[00:48:54] lord's rod it's it's not a good i mean that doesn't that just say it all for the bible though yeah

[00:49:01] like the male right right but like the the the male oriented way that the bible portrays itself

[00:49:10] and just the way they speak about things is is so

[00:49:13] male yeah and and you know just men and dicks and penises and phallic symbols i'm just like

[00:49:22] come on guys rods and staffs grow up it's true y'all fucking monkeys he has driven me away

[00:49:29] and made me walk in darkness rather than light indeed he has turned his hand against me again

[00:49:36] and again all day long sorry i'm so sore all day long he was giving me that rod

[00:49:45] he has made my skin and my flesh grow old and has broken my bones

[00:49:53] damm sorry we're having a rough time we're getting out here maybe we need to grow up

[00:50:01] he has besieged me and surrounded me with bitterness and hardship he has made me dwell

[00:50:08] in darkness like those long dead he has walled me in so i cannot escape he has weighed me down with

[00:50:16] chains man he has made it to where i hate everything he's made me so fucking sad so bleak he's made

[00:50:25] sad sad sad hate hate dark dark sad right yeah okay yeah it's a lot of bad mm-hmm even when i

[00:50:33] call out or cry for help that bitch shuts down my prayer damn it doesn't say that oh yeah well i didn't

[00:50:40] figure it said it didn't say that yeah but he shut down my prayer he shuts it down yeah yeah he has

[00:50:46] barred my way with blocks of stone he's made my paths crooked mm god damn it you got to stay on

[00:50:53] those straight paths you know but i can't because god made him crooked yeah he made him crooked

[00:50:57] you think you could cut through and still stay on straight you know like could you cut across

[00:51:01] the grass you gotta stay on the road they have signs that say stay off the grass is that what the

[00:51:05] problem is probably okay like a bear lying in weight like a lion in hiding he dragged me from the path

[00:51:13] and mangled me and left me without help i mean it's it's uh it's a thing but what a dick yeah i mean

[00:51:21] this he sounds mean he does he sounds like a really mean guy he's giving you the the he came

[00:51:27] only let you say a prayer and then he's dragging you and mangling you from the path and right turn

[00:51:32] your shit up and things are dark and he's got his rod so i mean you know he drew his bow and made me

[00:51:39] the target for his arrows wow i mean get a new god i'm imagining i'm imagining them shooting

[00:51:46] an air you know the apple off their heads right yeah yeah he pierced my heart with arrows from

[00:51:52] his quiver i became the laughing stock of all my people they mock me and song all day long

[00:52:00] of course we're talking about druslem is it druslem or is this Jeremiah he's like no i think we're

[00:52:05] talking about druslem boo everybody's making fun of me now it's too generic to be about a specific

[00:52:10] person i think this is juda slash druslem all right all right i'll take your word for it you are

[00:52:16] the man after all i am the man damn the man he has filled me with bitter herbs and given me gall

[00:52:22] to drink he has broken my teeth with gravel he has trampled me in the dust this is so depressing

[00:52:30] it is like why would you ever even consider worshiping this god again like of all like the

[00:52:37] things that this god is doing to let's just assume that they're talking about the city

[00:52:43] but like to put it in these words you're you're you're seeing the destruction as this bad right

[00:52:48] like this is how bad it is yeah and yet you're gonna say in the end you're gonna say we worship

[00:52:55] this god yep so i just i question that amount of loyalty to someone who treats you like absolute

[00:53:03] shit right he fucks up my shit i love him so right yeah i have been deprived of peace

[00:53:10] i have forgotten what prosperity is so i say my splendor is gone and all that i had hoped from the

[00:53:17] lord i remember my affliction and my wandering the bitterness and the gall i remember them and my

[00:53:24] soul is downcast within me sigh okay yeah yet this i call to mind and therefore i have hope

[00:53:34] here we go i wait they're calling to mind all the shittiness that happened or the thing

[00:53:38] that's about they're about to say there's a colon so i'm assuming he's like but there's this thought

[00:53:42] i'm about to share with you all right that gives me hope right nonetheless yeah even even in the

[00:53:47] midst of getting beat the fuck down right because of the lord's great love we are not consumed for

[00:53:54] his compassion's never fail wait this is the same god that is mangling you right beating you with

[00:54:02] i mean like what the fuck he doesn't hear my prayer but he has great love and then his

[00:54:09] compassion's never fail except for like when they just did right right like how do you hold these two

[00:54:15] ideas in your head at the same time look i can hold opposing views in my head at the same time

[00:54:20] because i'm a complex person sure but these opposing views do not work right they don't

[00:54:27] he's a hateful violent vengeful petty jealous god and i love him so that doesn't work yeah yeah so

[00:54:36] it sounds like you're as much the problem as he is right you know not to victim blame but i am

[00:54:41] gonna victim blame a little bit because you're trying to drag other people in with you right

[00:54:45] and change our laws accordingly maybe we should just like we should set up like a

[00:54:49] practice for um people to come see us too so we can help them get over abusive gods you

[00:54:54] know right i mean i'm just saying yeah like this is what's happening here right i want you to spell

[00:54:59] all of this out he's done these shitty things to me right but i love him so i want you to just

[00:55:05] say that out loud like if this was a human we would you know be urging you to get out of

[00:55:11] that toxic relationship oh hundred percent like i i'm just imagining all these things that

[00:55:16] they're talking about with regard to how god treats them throughout the whole old testament

[00:55:21] and and you know specifically just now like in this chapter yeah but i'm imagining this being a

[00:55:27] conversation about a um a romantic partner that you have or whatever or father yeah and the

[00:55:35] i i know without a doubt the therapist is going to want you to break away from that toxic relationship

[00:55:41] yeah you know or help you um have the tools to figure out how to um come to that conclusion

[00:55:48] sure sure but it's not even a question when it comes to human and human like human interaction

[00:55:53] right yeah the only time we question that idea is when it comes to the fucking god that no one can

[00:55:58] prove that doesn't seem to talk to anybody right like this is the only exception is this this god

[00:56:05] that just beats us the fuck down and then we still love it for whatever fucking reason yeah

[00:56:13] doesn't work for me i don't get it i don't either i don't fucking get it i don't either they are new

[00:56:18] every morning great as your faithfulness i say to myself the lord is my portion therefore

[00:56:24] i will wait for him i don't really know what that means but it sounds stupid i mean it sounds like

[00:56:30] you're gonna cower in darkness take the wrong path while getting mangled and waiting on god

[00:56:35] to decide that he's not going to do that to you anymore please love me again sir please

[00:56:39] please don't beat me please sir i'm sorry sir please please love me right the lord is good to those

[00:56:47] whose hope is in him no it's not he's not he's not good to you right to the one who seeks him

[00:56:54] no he's not it is good to wait quietly for the salvation of the lord

[00:56:59] you don't want to raise a ruckus or ask any questions just hush right it is good for

[00:57:05] a man to bear the yoke while he is young is it is it though okay let him sit alone in silence for

[00:57:12] the lord has lighted on him light on me lord i mean this this seems like a good um like

[00:57:21] way that they would allow for corporal punishment and you know things like that yeah because it's

[00:57:27] they're like you need to be you know beaten down in order to appreciate the love that you're

[00:57:33] getting from this god right so yeah let him bury his face in the dust there may yet be hope

[00:57:40] there may that's the that's why i'm not but there may let him bury his face in the dust

[00:57:45] there may yet be hope right what like that doesn't no no i'm hating this let him offer his cheek

[00:57:54] to one who would strike him and let him be filled with disgrace okay you you i'm gonna pass

[00:58:01] i'm gonna pass on that you first for no one is cast off by the lord forever no that's not exactly true

[00:58:08] though just for several generations but right yeah i mean if we're saying no one is in like the entire

[00:58:17] realm of history maybe he did love a couple of people over time according to the bible right

[00:58:22] but generally he has fucked over a lot of people too yeah yes so though he brings grief he will

[00:58:28] show compassion so great is his unfailing love if you say so right for he does not willingly bring

[00:58:35] affliction or grief to anyone i call bullshit on that he on purpose does it all the fucking time

[00:58:41] willingly get the fuck out of here in fact i think that we've read parts where he actually enjoys

[00:58:46] it yeah yeah to crush underfoot all prisoners in the land to deny people their rights before the

[00:58:53] most high to provide to deprive them of justice would not the lord see such things i mean i would

[00:59:01] assume if he is a god that a god would see such things but chooses still not to do anything about

[00:59:10] them for whatever fucked up stupid reason that he has this chapter is why not only don't i believe

[00:59:16] in god but why actually i cannot believe right yeah no this is bullshit i hate this chapter

[00:59:22] fyi i think you didn't know no i mean you know why i feel like we say this sorry guys i feel like

[00:59:28] we say this every time but like this book started off with a lot of promise did it and it's going

[00:59:35] down fucking hill who can speak and have it happen if the lord has not decreed it it is not

[00:59:43] from the mouth of the most high i'm sorry let me start over is it not from the mouth of the

[00:59:48] most high that both calamities and good things come that's what they would have us believe yes good

[00:59:55] and bad things do happen right but not because of a fucking god right why should the living complain

[01:00:01] when punished for their sins um because i get to be the judge of that motherfucker not to you right

[01:00:08] let us examine our ways and test them and let us return to the lord no thanks let us lift up

[01:00:14] our hearts and our hands to god in heaven and say okay ready i'm ready what we're supposed to say

[01:00:19] okay yeah this is the prayer we should pray oh okay we have sinned and rebelled and you have not

[01:00:26] forgiven you have covered yourself with anger and pursued us you have slain without pity you

[01:00:32] have covered yourself with a cloud so that no prayer can get through you have made a scum

[01:00:37] and refuse among the nations all our enemies have opened their mouths wide against us we have

[01:00:44] suffered terror and pitfalls ruin and destruction streams of tears flow from my eyes because my

[01:00:51] people are destroyed my oh we're done quoting the things that's what we're supposed to say to god

[01:00:56] yeah we're supposed to say we like hey you're being a dick yeah that's basically all those things

[01:01:01] yeah okay yeah okay now now we're back to whoever is saying this shit yeah supposedly germaya or

[01:01:07] terrestrial streams of tears flow from my eyes because my people are destroyed my eyes will flow

[01:01:14] unceasingly without relief until the lord looks down from heaven and sees what i see brings grief to

[01:01:22] my soul because of all the women in my city those who were my enemies without cause hunted me like a

[01:01:28] bird they tried to end my life in a pit and threw stones at me now you know what this does sound like

[01:01:35] this was written by germaya because this is actually referencing things that happened to him yeah he's

[01:01:40] like this is socks this is bullshit right i hate this the people people were mad at me and this sounds

[01:01:46] much more like germaya yeah the water is closed over my head and i thought i was about to perish

[01:01:51] i called on your name lord from the depths of the pit you heard my plea do not close your ears to

[01:01:58] my cry for relief you came near when i called you and you said do not fear you lord took up my case

[01:02:05] you redeemed my life lord you have seen the wrong done to me uphold my cause you have seen the depth

[01:02:12] of their vengeance all their plots against me lord you have heard their insults all their

[01:02:18] plots against me what my enemies whisper and mutter against me all day long look at them

[01:02:24] sitting or standing they mock me in their songs pay them back what they deserve lord for what

[01:02:31] their hands have done this is definitely written by germaya yeah because he's like this is total

[01:02:35] this is exactly what was happening this is exactly what were being used early on by germaya yes

[01:02:41] yes put a veil over their hearts and make your curse beyond them pursue them in anger and

[01:02:47] destroy them from under the heavens of the lord the and wow it's it we commented on this throughout

[01:02:54] germaya but like it must be nice to have a god that you can use as a personal vengeance tool right

[01:02:59] you know not that like i don't blame him i mean like i might make such a prayer from the pit

[01:03:05] sure you know if i'm if i'm about to die in a fucking system type thing yeah yeah like oh you

[01:03:10] gon get it right if i have if i get out of here you all better run right yeah i might make similar

[01:03:17] but i i don't know about that whole asking god get him god right yeah like that's a little bit

[01:03:24] different and he's writing this from the perspective of he's in a pit ready to die

[01:03:29] and you know he's talking about all this shittiness that's happening

[01:03:34] and of course you're you almost died because people didn't like you man yeah so whatever

[01:03:39] but also let's look at why right yeah you were a double agent and you were talking shit

[01:03:44] right and you were all you were called out on that double agent ship more than once yeah

[01:03:49] they did tell you stop and then you kept going and they were like oh okay we're gonna put you

[01:03:54] in a pit now well you remember that yeah they called him out in a then but they also called

[01:03:59] him out on it after the fall of Jerusalem too yeah like there was multiple times multiple

[01:04:04] times he was called out on that stuff i mean early on they put them in that stockade that was

[01:04:08] like a torture device but even before that they were like you need to shut the fuck up yeah and he

[01:04:14] was like nah right so i mean yes were were the people like mean to him yes um did he deserve

[01:04:24] like the amount of pain and angst that that came against him questionable like probably not

[01:04:31] right but is it you know expected absolutely i feel like this was a little bit out of place

[01:04:38] well lamentations is only five chapters so i don't want to say it's out of place but it feels

[01:04:43] not in the same um vein as the first chapter and the first chapter for sure was like this is sadness

[01:04:51] and you know we as a as a people are mourning the loss of our city right and the loss of our

[01:04:56] birthright well i just assumed when we started this chapter that we were reading this from the

[01:05:00] perspective of um jerusalem but it was Jeremiah it was Jeremiah so yeah that's interesting all right

[01:05:08] well that was lamentations chapter three sure as fuck was which means that we'll be back tomorrow with

[01:05:14] lamentations chapter four all right we'll see you then bye husband wife do you know where the hell

[01:05:26] we are and how the hell we got here well we just finished up with lamentations chapter three we

[01:05:31] sure as fuck did and in that chapter we uh read about a really shitty dickhead of a god who was

[01:05:40] you know causing despair and wrong paths and all kinds of shit and i thought early on that we

[01:05:47] were hearing from the city of jerusalem as like you know a poetry type lament type deal

[01:05:53] but no it was Jeremiah yeah it was more of Jeremiah's belly aching about not being liked

[01:05:59] by the people in Jerusalem and how he wants god to kill them all because you know because retribution

[01:06:05] right and that's what we use gods for as personal revenge stories if it's not vengeance it's not love

[01:06:14] anyway that was uh lamentations chapter three sure as fuck was which means that today we're

[01:06:20] getting into lamentations chapter four all right let's do this okay all right lamentations

[01:06:36] chapter four okay you ready for this i'm ready how the gold has lost its luster the fine gold become

[01:06:45] dull you should polish it you should do something with it you know don't don't just let us sit there

[01:06:49] and not get you know polished makes me think of my how the turns have tabled the bloom is off the

[01:06:58] mother fucking rose right the sacred gems are scattered at every street corner man i need to

[01:07:06] find this city well i need to find this place i don't think it's good i think it's it's bad

[01:07:11] gathered because it's you know knocked over in sacked right how the precious children of Zion

[01:07:17] once worth their weight in gold are now considered as pots of clay the work of a potter's hands

[01:07:25] even jackals offer their breasticles to nurse their young their breastesses

[01:07:32] breasts okay i like breasticles but my people have become heartless like ostriches in the desert

[01:07:39] are ostriches heartless are they in the desert i mean maybe i don't know much about ostriches

[01:07:44] i don't either all i know is that whole they stick their head in the ground which you know wouldn't

[01:07:48] be easier if they're sand i suppose you know yeah that makes sense that is true yeah right but are they

[01:07:54] heartless i don't think so i think why would they be heartless they have a cardiovascular

[01:07:59] what's wrong with ostriches i mean do they nurse their young well i mean jackals do it says even

[01:08:05] jackals offer their breasts to nurse their young but my people have become heartless

[01:08:10] like ostriches in the desert maybe ostriches don't nurse their young and that's what makes

[01:08:14] them heartless maybe i don't know i wonder about that comparison though yeah i hope that

[01:08:20] i hope that when we do our end of the entire five chapter book q&a wrap up into ostriches i'm hoping

[01:08:28] that we get some cleared up right because of thirst the infant's tongue sticks to the

[01:08:35] roof of its mouth the child this is gross i hate it yeah the children beg for bread but no one gives it

[01:08:42] to them those who once ate delicacies are destitute in the streets oh man those brought up in royal

[01:08:51] purple now lie on ash heaps remember wasn't it purple that was like the it was a harder color

[01:08:56] to come by or something like that didn't we do something like some research on that at one

[01:08:59] point yeah and it's also like the color of royalty and stuff right because it's harder to

[01:09:03] come by yeah so wearing it displayed how riches and you know prominence yeah yeah so they had purple

[01:09:11] but now they're just dead right and they might still be in purple but they're still dead yeah yeah the

[01:09:17] punishment of my people is greater than that of sodom which was overthrown in a moment without

[01:09:23] a hand turned to helper how is that worse then i don't know the other fucking city well i mean

[01:09:29] this is like a slow death right so like they're talking about starving and i see you know okay

[01:09:34] thirst and all this stuff that's that makes sense yeah okay yeah that would be worse right okay i'm

[01:09:39] with you their princes were brighter than snow and whiter than milk their bodies more ruddy than

[01:09:46] rubies their appearance like lapis lazuli but now they are blacker than soot they are not recognized

[01:09:54] in the streets their skin has shriveled on their bones it has become as dry as a stick

[01:10:01] those killed by the sword are better off than those who die of famine

[01:10:05] wracked with hunger they waste away for lack of food from the field with their own hands

[01:10:11] compassionate women have cooked their own children who became their food when my people were

[01:10:19] destroyed can we not can we just not please well i just i don't like the part that i don't

[01:10:24] that this whole bit right here right is he god is telling us that he's okay with literal torture

[01:10:33] of his people and his children and yeah yeah like babies and children babies are dying because of him

[01:10:40] and not just dying but dying at their mother's hands because they're starving to death that much

[01:10:47] that that kind of thing happens and that is absolutely horrendous that's unforgivable

[01:10:55] yeah i cannot truck with this no this is not any god that is worth worshiping this is a

[01:11:01] god that is worth you know i don't care what the fuck these people did children and babies

[01:11:06] do not deserve to die like this right so i don't care that they disrespected him i don't care

[01:11:12] right i i literally don't care like right i cannot say that enough yeah you know fuck you get over it

[01:11:20] i agree the lord has given full vent to his wrath yeah he has he has poured out his fierce anger

[01:11:28] yeah he did yeah he kindled a fire in zion that consumed her foundations the kings of the earth

[01:11:36] did not believe nor did any of the peoples of the world that enemies and foes could enter

[01:11:41] the gates of jerusalem i okay i'm sorry i'm still like back a few lines and just like that was not

[01:11:51] what i wanted to read right really sorry yeah but it happened because of the sins of her prophets

[01:11:58] and the iniquities of her priests who shed within her the blood of the righteousness

[01:12:05] okay now they groped through the street like i can't even get into this like i can't even

[01:12:12] like i can't think about what is trying to tell me well because there's not any there's no

[01:12:18] there's no reason for this there's no justification for this there is no

[01:12:26] that no god should have ever done anything like this to anybody no matter what and i mean like

[01:12:31] this is an entire group of people right that they're saying that god is okay doing this too

[01:12:37] and this is the worst of the worst of what you could imagine for humanity

[01:12:43] and that's just not acceptable like this whole chapter to me is like whatever the rest of it says

[01:12:50] i'm like blah blah blah whatever because i don't care because why should i you know honestly like

[01:12:57] i'm sorry i know this is not like our normal how we do this i'm just like i'm really disturbed

[01:13:03] and this is my initial reaction and this is pissing me off that like why why is this here

[01:13:11] why is this something that is part of a book that we revere why is this something why is this

[01:13:20] okay to be in libraries but other books aren't right you know why why is this book

[01:13:28] revered i don't understand when there's shit like this happening you know like i want to go to every

[01:13:34] school board meeting every library board meeting where the fucking town hall is up in arms and

[01:13:41] i just want to read the worst bits of this fucking book and be like now tell me that this

[01:13:47] book should be banned well it's the bible did you fucking know that did you read your own goddamn book

[01:13:53] but the the part that that is to me like you know we're having all this trouble in our country

[01:13:59] right now with regard to christian nationalism and and this whole revitalization of christianity

[01:14:06] as a whole in our country and it taking forms in our government and our laws and all this

[01:14:11] other kind of shit right and it's not a surprise to me that these people are the shittiest of the

[01:14:18] shitty after reading some of this stuff like i mean if you can believe that your god is good

[01:14:23] and your god did this then there is no redeeming quality about because if you're okay with this

[01:14:29] having been done then you're going to be okay with any number of people having harm upon them

[01:14:37] because if you can justify this you can justify any of your shitty behavior right and you're essentially

[01:14:43] like i don't give a fuck about the new testament right i don't know this is this is still your god

[01:14:48] if you're a christian this is still your god your god did this yeah your god allowed these

[01:14:53] things to happen to his people because he was pissed off that they didn't worship him correctly

[01:14:58] or enough or enough that that is what happened here so he said fuck you die eat your babies

[01:15:06] right honestly like what do you hear yourself do you literally hear yourself saying that it is okay

[01:15:14] that god said you did me wrong you didn't pray enough so eat your babies right what the fuck

[01:15:22] is wrong with you and we're still supposed to come back and and you know bow before you and love

[01:15:28] you as a god after knowing that you allowed for things like this to happen this whole chapter

[01:15:34] can just go fuck itself and this book can follow the rest of it all right i'm gonna try to get myself

[01:15:41] under control i'm very sorry i just like if i didn't stop and and do that little rant for a minute

[01:15:49] then the whole rest of the chapter i was just going to be blah blah blah blah blah blah

[01:15:53] blah blah and nothing was going into my head because i just couldn't i couldn't get passed

[01:15:58] yeah all right i'm gonna try to pay attention now got it okay now they grope through the streets as if

[01:16:06] they were blind they are so defiled with blood that no one dares to touch their garments go away

[01:16:13] you are unclean people cry to them away away don't touch us when they flee and wander about people

[01:16:20] among the nation say they can stay here no longer no i think people among the the nations

[01:16:27] are in their own nation and i think that they are not worried about people in other nations am i wrong

[01:16:33] but these people are now in an exile right like they're they're being exiled to other countries okay

[01:16:39] or these are the remnants of that country leaving their country trying to find refuge in another

[01:16:46] neighboring land or whatever and these people are like no no no stay away from us

[01:16:50] i just okay i don't know i mean i i don't honestly know exactly what's happening but i

[01:16:55] mean it sounds like they're in other lands not their own at this point okay i and they're the worst of

[01:17:01] the worst and they're not seen as good and they're starving and dying so got it and their god has

[01:17:07] forsaken them so you know right whatever yeah the lord himself has scattered them yeah because he's a

[01:17:13] dick he no longer watches over them i mean that says it all he got mad and so he said

[01:17:21] fuck you yeah like what kind of god does that a petty piece of shit one is what yeah the priests

[01:17:28] are shown no honor the elders no favor moreover our eyes failed looking in vain for help from our

[01:17:37] towers we watched for a nation that could save that could not save us people stalked us at every

[01:17:44] step so we could not walk in our streets our end was near our days were numbered for our end had come

[01:17:52] our pursuers were swifter than eagles in the sky they chased us over the mountains and lay and wait

[01:17:59] for us in the desert i mean i'm very sorry that these people got attacked and that their city

[01:18:05] got sacked by babelon and you know that that they're dying like that sucks yeah i hate that for

[01:18:11] them for sure and i i hate everything that has happened to them right but i don't understand why

[01:18:19] they're still like following this god then i don't either i mean like that's that's my biggest hang

[01:18:26] up about all this i'm like make it make sense you're literally writing down this is how we felt

[01:18:32] this is what happened to us and our god was so mad at us that he was a petty little bitch

[01:18:39] and they're all over us their belief is so strong apparently or or their self-hate is so strong i'm not

[01:18:46] sure which that they are willing to endure multi-generational trauma in order to continue to

[01:18:55] have this identity under this god and think that it will at some point save them or something so

[01:19:02] i i don't understand it i don't agree with it i think that even if gods did exist which i don't

[01:19:10] which they don't right um even if gods did exist and they allowed this to happen i don't think

[01:19:17] that they deserve any respect or or any of my time or energy you know like that's just

[01:19:25] this is beyond bad i'm i'm just at the point where like okay gods don't exist right given okay yeah but

[01:19:36] these people believe that gods do exist and they are still choosing after their god has left them

[01:19:43] and they're like god hates us now and they're like but we're gonna love them anyway like why

[01:19:49] well let me ask you this you know give let's let's take our current state right of

[01:19:53] of republican bullshitery that's going on right okay and let's let's look at how the republicans

[01:20:01] generally treat um they're they're lower class people and they're in their constituents they're

[01:20:08] not doing things to help those groups they're doing things to actually harm those groups right

[01:20:13] and yet those people still love them because they're pitching this greater story of um redemption and

[01:20:23] and um i don't know that it's the whole american dream arc right yeah i see what you're saying

[01:20:29] totally but the thing is this book is this people's history they're like god hates us and is mean

[01:20:38] it is making us do this but we still love them like that's not what the republican constituents

[01:20:44] are saying they're not saying they're being mean to us those republicans in power but we still love

[01:20:50] them they're not saying that they literally believe that the republicans are somehow gonna

[01:20:57] save them and that the democrats are eating their babies right no i i i agree but what i'm

[01:21:04] getting at i think is that the um ability to narrate a story so that other people believe that

[01:21:11] end result is the one that they want to work toward is not as difficult as one might think

[01:21:17] like it's it's if you have the the the the microphone if you have the the the the

[01:21:24] attention of the crowd you can sway those ideas in that crowd in ways that you you wouldn't

[01:21:29] really think you could because it's more if you if you pitch a message enough and we just talked

[01:21:35] about this tonight something i saw saw is that you know if you there was something that kgb did

[01:21:41] back in like the 60s i think don't quote me on this or anything like that but they they spent

[01:21:45] time inundating people with um to basically bad news or making people think that this was the

[01:21:54] way things were and after a time people just start to believe it and they take it as as fact

[01:22:01] so if you pitch a message hard enough long enough and strong enough you can make people believe

[01:22:07] whatever you want to in a large group i'm not saying everybody right there's always going

[01:22:11] to be detractors there's always going to be people that stand out but i mean you can sway

[01:22:17] the general public and their point of view as to what they should and do believe

[01:22:23] that speaks so ill of humanity as a whole that we're so easily misled and you know be guiled

[01:22:33] well but on a grander sense does it not behoove us to not all be individualistic right like we

[01:22:42] we need people that are going to work towards a collective idea of what society is right yeah

[01:22:47] and i'm not i'm not excusing them i'm just saying that i think even just the way we are built is meant

[01:22:55] to follow and not lead much of the time so it's the um bad faith parties that do the misleading

[01:23:06] that are the problem for sure this is why we can't have nice things the lords anointed our

[01:23:13] very life breath was caught in their traps we thought that under his shadow we would live

[01:23:19] among the nations rejoice and be glad daughter edam you who live in the land of us but to you

[01:23:27] also the couple will be passed you will be drunk and stripped naked your punishment will end

[01:23:33] daughter zion he will not prolong your exile but he will punish your sin daughter edam

[01:23:40] and expose your wickedness the end okay that was a really really depressing chapter

[01:23:48] it was the worst yeah yeah i will see yeah we'll probably have bad dreams tonight so thanks for

[01:23:55] that bible right yeah um i don't really have much else to add i think i covered most of what

[01:24:01] i wanted to say throughout there do you have anything else you wanted to talk about before

[01:24:05] we get out of here god's a dick and fuck republicans yeah that's yeah i think that about sums it up

[01:24:11] all right so that was lamentations chapter four sure as fuck was um and i think that we're

[01:24:18] gonna be doing another chapter today like this will release at six in the morning uh eastern

[01:24:24] and then i think uh wife and i are going to be doing another chapter today yet because we want

[01:24:29] to try to wrap up lamentations over the weekend over the weekend yeah so like we're we're making

[01:24:34] this a one week and done type deal yeah so that we can move on into the next book after that so

[01:24:39] be on the lookout um for a for a chapter later today and then we'll this weekend will be filled

[01:24:46] with all the you know the extra bonuses and then monday hopefully if we're on track we'll

[01:24:53] start a zekiel yeah all right sounds good well we will see you guys then all right bye

[01:24:59] husband wife um do you remember where the hell we are and how the hell we got here uh yeah we

[01:25:11] just got done reading lamentations chapter four sure as fuck did and in that chapter it was

[01:25:17] pretty horrific it was like disturbing they were talking about the famine and eating children

[01:25:23] and just all kinds of horrible shit the imagery was real yeah no it was not good

[01:25:29] and uh we got to the end of it and it seems like they were like yeah you eat amites or laugh and that

[01:25:34] is but you're gonna get yours and so that was that was basically lamentations chapter four

[01:25:40] which means that today we're getting into lamentations chapter five which ends lamentations

[01:25:46] it does and that'll be another book done you guys i mean how wow like this is it's crazy we come

[01:25:53] across these short books where we're just like we're done in like no time and we get to mark it

[01:25:57] off yeah like oh the whole entire book it counts right yeah all right you ready to do this yes i am

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[01:27:14] first month that's better help h e l p all right here we are jumping into the last chapter of

[01:27:23] Lamentations chapter 5 yeah are you ready i'm ready remember remembering lord what has happened to us

[01:27:33] look and see our disgrace okay lord yeah i mean he's the one that caused it does he really have to look

[01:27:38] hey look lord i'm ugly we sound like that's what they're saying i guess lord remember how we suck

[01:27:47] and you and you when you did all these bad things to us remember remember yeah yeah our inheritance

[01:27:53] has been turned over to strangers our homes to foreigners i thought their homes were burnt

[01:27:59] up and crushed i mean it depends on which point they're talking about so yeah that's true

[01:28:04] we have become fatherless our mothers are widows we must buy the water we drink our wood

[01:28:11] can be had only at a price no we always buy the water we drink i know i was just thinking that

[01:28:15] like that's interesting to think that like they used to just um get their water yeah um it reminds me

[01:28:23] when my dad was in the military we were stationed overseas in southern italy and when we lived off

[01:28:29] base there was a fountain down at the end of the street and we would just take our giant

[01:28:36] like receptacles like giant tub things and we would go get water go get water i mean we had

[01:28:42] to boil it yeah like when we got she didn't have running water no we had running water but to drink it

[01:28:48] like for drinking and cooking water oh we would go get it from this giant fountain i see yeah

[01:28:54] interesting it was like a uh it had a faucet like it wasn't really a fountain it was a

[01:29:00] giant freshwater fountain got it that had a faucet okay but i remember one winter um this one guy

[01:29:11] that i went to school with his name was louis he turned the faucet to spray up and then he turned it on

[01:29:18] and so it did freeze like the water coming out of it frozen in the arch oh wow yeah and we all hated

[01:29:25] him a little bit yeah that day right but he was always doing shit like that that was fun okay

[01:29:31] anyway yeah so they have to pay for water now yeah okay just like we do right they have to buy

[01:29:37] wood just like we do yeah yeah we must buy the water we drink our wood can be had only at a price

[01:29:45] those who pursue us are at our heels we are weary and find no rest we submitted to egypt

[01:29:52] and assyria to get enough bread yeah i mean when you get to take it over i guess and you're running

[01:29:58] away that's what you gotta do you gotta do that yeah you you go get what you can get

[01:30:02] from where you can get it right yeah our ancestors sinned and are no more and we bear their punishment

[01:30:10] i mean you were punished for their sins but also for yours like you did the ashera poles too come on

[01:30:18] i sure i guess i mean if we're going with the you're being punished by god right you did bad too

[01:30:25] come on don't be blaming grandpa right slaves rule over us and there is no one to free us from their hands

[01:30:33] we get our bread at the risk of our lives because of the sword in the desert the sword in the desert

[01:30:40] that's really good yeah i like that imagery yeah our skin is as hot as an oven feverish from hunger

[01:30:48] women have been violated in zion and virgins in the towns of juda that tracks men are gross yeah

[01:30:56] princes have been hung up by their hands elders are shown no respect i mean lack of respect is not

[01:31:03] the same as hung by your hands versus raped right yeah i've they had the no respect thing it has

[01:31:10] kind of low on the list yeah yeah we're they mean to you right yeah oh well as usual you know men are

[01:31:18] like could be worse but i'm the victim yeah young men toil at the millstones but you weren't hung by

[01:31:26] your hands are raped right why look like none of this is good none of this is good but like when

[01:31:32] you're telling me the worst of the worst then i'm like oh you got to live in work you can't

[01:31:37] you can't compare those things right you can't put them in the same paragraph is doesn't this all suck

[01:31:42] right i mean some tortures are worse than others sorry yes boys stagger under loads of wood

[01:31:49] the elders are gone from the city gate the young men have stopped their music they stop playing

[01:31:55] their music yeah i'm sorry at them yeah joy has gone from our hearts our dancing has turned to

[01:32:02] mourning the crown has fallen from our head woe to us for we have sinned how about woe to you for

[01:32:11] either god turned against you or yep you got conquered yeah you got conquered by another people

[01:32:18] and it sucks i hate that for you correctly and they're being assholes at you and yeah it yeah it

[01:32:23] sucks for you but it has nothing to do with god if your god did have something to do with this

[01:32:28] then you should have an issue with your god saying woe to us for we have sinned like what kind of

[01:32:34] self-hatred do you have that you would blame yourself right instead of your god or the people

[01:32:40] that conquered you yeah like no no no amount of sin deserves that sorry right because of this our

[01:32:49] hearts are faint because of these things our eyes grow dim for mount zion which lies desolate

[01:32:57] with jackals prowling over it you lord reign forever your throne endures from generation to

[01:33:03] generation why do you always forget us i pick me i have the answer i know right why do you always

[01:33:11] forget us why do you forsake us so long restore us to yourself lord that we may return renew our

[01:33:18] days as of old unless you have utterly rejected us and are angry with us beyond measure the end

[01:33:26] got it well i i think the only thing i really have to add to this is that i feel like the constant

[01:33:34] attributing of all this to their god ya way is that it's a way to hold their

[01:33:41] um identity together as a people right like i mean i you're you're in other lands you've

[01:33:47] been scattered to the winds right and this is the only way that you can hold on to some

[01:33:52] semblance of your of what you used to be is this god that you know is obviously not doing

[01:33:59] right by you at the moment um but it's still your god and those people that are around you

[01:34:04] that's their god too right yeah so it's their way to coalesce around an idea that is that embodies

[01:34:11] what israel and juda is you know so i could understand um like let's all gather around and

[01:34:20] you know collectively remember our god i can't understand we suck so fucking hard we fucked up

[01:34:27] and that we did this to ourselves like that i can't understand but that seems to be a constant

[01:34:33] theme throughout the old testament right i mean we're not this isn't the first time that we've

[01:34:37] run into that there's constantly when when people are not having things go their way they're

[01:34:42] constantly blaming themselves or or higher higher ups in the priesthood or whatever the

[01:34:48] fuck the case is right but they're constantly blaming the people for those bad things so it's

[01:34:53] it's it's taking self responsibility all wrong yeah you know what i mean like be responsible

[01:35:01] for your actions yes and you know mourn that you fucked up and long to do better but not like

[01:35:11] is so generic right you know this oh we sinned we're horrible people we did rotten like no

[01:35:19] that's not what self responsibility means you're doing it wrong right i do have to say one more

[01:35:25] thing and that's that um my take on the book of lamentations is that it's crap oh i agree with

[01:35:33] you on that the first chapter started nice i i liked that poetry yeah it was dark it was well

[01:35:38] written um but it's just a lot of self hate like we just got done talking about like this is the whole

[01:35:43] book is just nothing but like they're angry that they didn't live up to their god standards but

[01:35:49] their gods answer to that was to destroy them completely right and utterly you know like it

[01:35:56] was just it was an awful series of chapters like this was an awful book yeah i don't know what

[01:36:03] else to say about it but i mean we do have our wrap up coming up um probably tomorrow and then we're

[01:36:10] going to be doing our i guess contradictions right if there are any if there are any yeah um so we

[01:36:16] still got a little a little bit of talking left to do about this we didn't do as much uh

[01:36:20] research in the middle of this book this time because there was only five chapters right right

[01:36:24] so we'll get into that over the weekend do you have anything else you wanted to add um i didn't

[01:36:30] love it that's all right that's yeah yeah i think that's that i think that's consensus at least here

[01:36:35] so all right well that was lamentations chapter five and that was lamentations as a whole

[01:36:41] and we will be back tomorrow with the wrap up yeah you're trying to turn into a song

[01:36:50] all right we'll see you guys then bye

[01:36:52] do you know where the hell we are well we just finished with lamentations we did and so that

[01:37:06] means that today we're probably getting into the wrap up yeah so we're gonna be going over

[01:37:13] the entire book of lamentations the whole five chapters and we're kind of wrapping together

[01:37:19] in our wrap up the q and a and the the wrap up because obviously it's only five chapters so

[01:37:25] i also have a pop quiz for you oh okay how many questions are in this pop 11 that makes me happier

[01:37:32] i would i would prefer 10 or less but 11 is definitely closer to that number so yes all right

[01:37:39] you ready to get into this sure as fuck am all right let's do this okay

[01:37:52] all right let's do lamentations let's do them

[01:37:57] lament i'm lamenting i mean that's lamentations yeah there was there was some sad shit to lament

[01:38:04] actually so there was yeah so the book of lamentations is a collection of poetic laments

[01:38:10] that express the humiliation suffering and despair of jerusalem and her people it left out the

[01:38:17] bitching by jeremiah yeah about his state of affairs and how he wanted to use god for retribution

[01:38:23] though right also that yeah um for jerusalem and her people following the destruction of the city

[01:38:29] by the babeloneans in 587 to 586 bce sure okay yep now most critics place the composition meaning

[01:38:39] the writing there of of the book before the return of the jews from exile in 537 to 536 bce

[01:38:49] okay the whole book or is there some like that one chapter felt like it was maybe written by

[01:38:54] Jeremiah well we'll get there in a second here certain passages appear to be word pictures by an

[01:39:01] eyewitness and that's what have been written shortly after the destruction of jerusalem

[01:39:07] okay so all right like during and then like you know right right there sure okay the prophet

[01:39:14] Jeremiah as we know is the traditional author because he's a weepy little bitch however lamentations

[01:39:21] was more likely written for public rituals commemorating the destruction of the city of

[01:39:27] jerusalem and its temple and that tracks that makes some sense especially the first chapter yeah

[01:39:33] for sure well it's unlikely that the his writing style was very um spontaneous and natural yeah

[01:39:40] kind of grumbly right you know right and um putting that with you know his earlier word choice

[01:39:48] early on putting that match to the poetic form it's complicated and artificial yeah and um that

[01:39:57] is just not very likely right yeah like his chapters in the book that he's supposed to have written

[01:40:05] with you know him and baruch and whoever else his little scribes were after yeah um it was not

[01:40:12] a diary per se but it was written well enough but the book of lamentations was not the same no as we

[01:40:23] pointed out while we were reading it right so it was definitely um not him but it was i mean they did

[01:40:31] if it was written completely by somebody other than Jeremiah and baruch then there was that it

[01:40:36] was chapter three or four i can't remember which one it was but they were talking about how he

[01:40:41] wanted the retribution on that was reminiscent that was very reminiscent of Jeremiah yeah i believe

[01:40:47] that was chapter four i felt like that was either written by Jeremiah or baruch or somebody that was

[01:40:54] really versed in Jeremiah's teachings would have written that but it's it felt personal so i feel

[01:41:00] like maybe they threw one little bone in there that might be by Jeremiah possibly maybe he

[01:41:06] contributed via some scraps that other people picked up and were like we should really since we're

[01:41:13] going to attribute this to him we should throw something in by him yeah give him a bone right

[01:41:17] it's probable that the laments were the product of more than one poet so not just um writers

[01:41:25] scribes but actual poets and that makes sense too because it didn't really feel the same all the

[01:41:31] way through either it felt different from Jeremiah but it didn't feel the same it felt different in

[01:41:35] and of itself right even from chapter to chapter yep so as far back as tradition reaches lamentations

[01:41:42] has been read on tisha bahav which we have talked about sure and that's uh where they commemorate

[01:41:49] and observe the um end of jerusalem having you know been sacked as well as the um

[01:41:58] smashing of the second temple later right which apparently happened on the same day got it yeah

[01:42:03] yeah it's known as like one of the worst days in jewish history or something like that yeah yeah

[01:42:08] so it's not unreasonable to assume that this was intended for this purpose from the first

[01:42:14] which we have kind of discussed that they the poets wrote that attributed it to

[01:42:21] Jeremiah but wrote it specifically with the intent that it would be

[01:42:26] read sure before crowds yeah um toward that end the first four of the five poems speaking of it

[01:42:33] being two um nuanced and complex for him to have put together yeah given his writing style

[01:42:40] right the first four of the five poems are written as a cross stitch which we had talked about

[01:42:45] that the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet are used in succession to begin the lines and sections of

[01:42:51] those songs yeah and then the fifth chapter is not however it does have 22 lines which is um how

[01:43:00] many letters are in the Hebrew alphabet interesting yeah maybe they they have that's interesting

[01:43:07] they they didn't write it that way because it was um the last chapter was different from

[01:43:14] the other chapters yeah and was more about the finality okay so all right um it was done on purpose

[01:43:20] is it's believed okay all right yep um the formal structure served as a mnemonic device and was likely

[01:43:27] meant to convey Israel's total grief its penitence and ultimately its hope got it so I didn't find a

[01:43:35] whole lot of hope in this but I didn't either but it was mostly lamenting there was a little bit

[01:43:42] at the end of one of the chapters that was like you know and hopefully you gotta love us again I felt

[01:43:48] like the most hopeful chapter was probably chapter one actually yeah like that one that one had some

[01:43:53] beauty in it and some you know it was okay yeah I didn't mind chapter one yeah but whatever that

[01:44:00] that was my favorite one but um I'm gonna yeah same I'm gonna reread this little bit we read this

[01:44:06] in the beginning but I think it bears repeating just because um we're talking about how they

[01:44:11] attributed it to Jeremiah sure and that's because um the original text was written in Hebrew but in

[01:44:18] the Greek all the various translations thereof like the Septuagint and its others yeah um they have

[01:44:25] this extra little intro bit and it came to pass after Israel had been carried away captive

[01:44:32] and Jerusalem has was become desolate that Jeremiah sat weeping and he lamented with

[01:44:39] this lamentation over Jerusalem and he said and then it goes into the first just to give it a preface

[01:44:46] like it's yeah Jeremiah did this yes exactly exactly so um now I have a few notes from a

[01:44:54] couple of the chapters just as part of our Q&A okay so that was kind of the wrap up this is a

[01:45:00] little bit of Q&A for you yeah okay so in chapter one it talks about his footstool right and how

[01:45:06] Jerusalem was no longer his footstool and that has been something that he has alluded to before

[01:45:13] he's mentioned the earth is his footstool he's mentioned that his people are his footstool yeah

[01:45:18] and so um there's a question about what specifically he means it can be one of two things specifically

[01:45:26] okay okay um God is either referring to the house of the sanctuary which would be

[01:45:33] the temple itself which contained to the Ark of the Covenant as mentioned in First Chronicles and

[01:45:39] one of the Psalms right or it could have been the Ark of the Covenant as mentioned in one of

[01:45:46] the Psalms with the mercy seat on which sat the Shekhinah or Divine Majesty that's where he

[01:45:54] set his feet when sitting between the cherubim that were on top of the ark and that was in

[01:46:00] First Chronicles and I'm going to tell you what a Sheneca is or a Shekhinah I'm not sure how it's

[01:46:05] pronounced okay that refers to a dwelling or setting settling in a special sense a dwelling

[01:46:13] or settling of the Divine presence to the effect that while in proximity to the Shekhinah

[01:46:21] the connection to God is more readily perceivable so we're almost talking about an idol here

[01:46:29] because it's an object it's like another word for that because it's saying that

[01:46:34] this thing that we're not calling an idol has a special place for the presence of God to be felt

[01:46:42] and and we kind of talked about the Ark being an idol at one point yes like I mean just

[01:46:46] between you and me that they carried their God with them yeah yeah and it was yeah so that yeah

[01:46:52] that makes sense so to me that word is just another word for idol right but also

[01:46:56] but it's more holy right it has more meaning because it's you know somehow a Hebrew word so that

[01:47:04] that means it's better and I'm like right so it's an idol that got it but also by the time that we

[01:47:10] got to Jeremiah the Ark had been um let's see not mentioned for quite some time right so I

[01:47:18] I don't know that I believe that the Ark was still around at this point yeah I'm not sure

[01:47:21] I believe that either they can say that all they want but I would wager a bet that it was not

[01:47:28] at the temple so do you think the footstool then is referring to the temple and not the Ark inside

[01:47:35] the temple it could very well refer to the temple definitely I don't think it's referring to the

[01:47:40] Ark inside the temple because there's no mention of it in in years right like it's been years yeah

[01:47:46] and like I think was what Solomon I think that's the last time we actually even heard of the Ark

[01:47:51] well we did hear something um when Hezekiah either him or one of them guys found a piece of the Torah

[01:48:02] in the library and we're like whoa dude and that's when Josiah yeah started all his reforms

[01:48:12] they okay but did they specifically say the Ark though I don't know I thought it was in the temple

[01:48:17] well I know that um no it was in his library sure that they found the book okay but my thing is

[01:48:26] so then the Torah was not in the Ark then and so we don't know if the Ark was actually present

[01:48:36] on ground or not I don't think like when that was I remember that being said I remember that bit

[01:48:41] and I don't think that that it to me it was not enough information to say the Ark is still around

[01:48:47] if the Ark had still been around the Torah would have been inside it if the Ark had still been around

[01:48:51] it would have been a much bigger deal than what it it's literally nothing at this point right

[01:48:56] it means nothing at this point right and that's part of why these people are going after the

[01:49:02] idols of other kingdoms they don't have their shiny special golden box yeah so I mean if they

[01:49:10] did they would have been gathering around that because it was special golden and shiny and they

[01:49:13] could have been like this guys this was the thing that Moses and peeps carried for 40 years this yeah

[01:49:22] and it would have had more cultural relevance in the moment right and it just it wasn't there

[01:49:28] right clearly yeah so then later on in chapter two two initial letters are transposed in a couple

[01:49:35] of the verses okay and this is found in three instances throughout lamentations okay and it's been

[01:49:42] suggested that the reason for the inversion of two of the Hebrew letters is that the Chaldeans

[01:49:49] just like the Arabians used a different order than that of the Hebrews okay so it was similar

[01:49:55] but not the same exactly right so in chapter one um this is the suggestion in chapter one

[01:50:03] Jeremiah speaks as a Hebrew and that's why things read the way they're supposed to yeah

[01:50:09] and then in the following chapters it's suggested he speaks as one subject to the Chaldeans

[01:50:15] and that's why you find the three different transposed transposed letters right um not all

[01:50:23] scholars accept that explanation it also could have just been a goof sure the fact that it's

[01:50:29] the same goof in three different places I don't know what that tells us right right at least it was

[01:50:36] consistent yeah like when I misspell a word I usually misspell it the same way in all instances

[01:50:44] but not always right sometimes I can spell the same word like five different times in the same

[01:50:50] like three paragraphs right so who fucking knows yeah so later on in chapter four

[01:50:57] we talked about um ostriches yeah right yeah so verse three reads um they were heartless well yeah

[01:51:07] verse three reads even jackals offer their breasts to nurse their young but my people have become

[01:51:12] heartless like ostriches in the desert yeah okay so here's the thing jackals themselves may also be

[01:51:20] rendered as sea monsters whales dragons or serpents depending on the translation oh but here's why

[01:51:29] the word jackal in Hebrew is tanum or no is tan but then the plural is tannin okay which is very

[01:51:39] similar to the word tan them which is dragons and sea monsters interesting right so that's why

[01:51:49] a lot of times you'll see jackals or dragons where it actually probably more likely means

[01:51:55] jackals right now even at that we don't know if they mean jackals coyotes wolves sure just some kind

[01:52:03] of wild dog or wild beast right even okay and I just wanted to get that out there before we

[01:52:09] talk about the ostriches okay okay and I just I thought that was like really interesting because

[01:52:14] that gets into like you know what's a hot dog and what are people gonna think like a hundred years from

[01:52:19] now or 500 or a thousand years for now right you know they might not understand what a hot dog is

[01:52:26] because it's not a dog that's hot right so yeah right okay now ostriches or owls were thought to

[01:52:34] lack internal instincts and thus be cruel to their young like kick them around and stuff

[01:52:40] or they would desert their eggs okay now notice I said ostriches or owls yeah okay so I don't know

[01:52:47] if you remember but back in Job we also came across owls and other birds that were like evil and

[01:52:56] it could also be construed as even demons okay do you remember that kind of so it's not really

[01:53:04] known what bird they're referring to but it and it's kind of beside the point almost like they're

[01:53:10] not talking about this bird did this thing right if the bird was the point of the sentence it would

[01:53:17] matter but what they're saying is there's a beast some kind of fucking bird who is cruel to its

[01:53:23] its offspring offspring and you know deserts them in the desert the point of this is saying

[01:53:31] even that son of a bitch bird is able to feed its children whereas these monstrous mothers are

[01:53:39] eating their babies right that's the point of that sentence okay so and same with like the jackals

[01:53:45] they're saying these are wild fucking dogs or dragons you know however the translation goes

[01:53:51] these are wild beasts but even they are able to suckle their young whereas these babies

[01:53:58] their mouths are dry because they're so dehydrated and dying of thirst that their tongues are stuck to

[01:54:05] the roof of their mouth and the mothers are not able to produce milk right right so that's what that

[01:54:10] section was about got it so basically once again it's a translation issue okay all right yeah

[01:54:16] finally chapter five and that was the weird chapter yeah you remember like that was kind of

[01:54:23] separate from the other four and it was just it was different sure you know yeah um it's basically a

[01:54:31] conclusion to the preceding four chapters which yeah because it fell at the conclusion therefore it

[01:54:37] concluded right literally it's a conclusion and as mentioned the acrostic form is no longer

[01:54:43] observed right okay the final poem of lamentations was apparently written in jude sometime after

[01:54:50] the fall of jerusalem okay only the people of no use to babelon were left behind in the land right

[01:54:58] and this poem reflects on the hardships that those dudes faced got it okay yeah and it's less

[01:55:04] a dirge like the previous chapters were like laments right yeah this chapter was not really

[01:55:10] like that instead it was the nation's prayer to god for compassion sure so you know supposedly

[01:55:17] jeremiah wrote this and so in the first four chapters he's like wow we suck god left us everything's

[01:55:25] horrible and we hate it and ha ha idam you're gonna get this too but then in the last one he's like

[01:55:32] well we suck but we brought this on ourselves and everybody turned to god and hopefully

[01:55:36] you know god hear us right right and several old testament prophecies including lamentations

[01:55:44] conclude on a negative or inauspicious note and chapter five is no exception right okay

[01:55:51] so consequently in synagogue readings it has become customary to conclude the recitation

[01:55:58] with a repetition of the preceding verse oh so if they've read this out loud they would read

[01:56:05] verse 21 and then they would read verse 22 which is the final but then they would go back

[01:56:10] and read verse 21 again so let me read you how that would go yeah okay yeah 21 restore us to yourself

[01:56:19] lord that we may return renew our days as of old 22 unless you have utterly rejected us and are

[01:56:26] angry with us beyond measure i can see why they would then go 21 restore us to yourself lord that

[01:56:33] we may return renew our days as of old i'm surprised i don't just leave that last one off

[01:56:38] and right you know i mean unless you're mad it's fine then we just suck forever yeah one of right

[01:56:44] and this practice allows the reading in the synagogue to close with words of comfort got it so

[01:56:50] yeah even though that's a lie that's a lie it's a nice lie but it's so lie yeah like hi the book

[01:56:57] doesn't say that how are you right nice to meet you yeah yeah so um there's this book that

[01:57:05] i read this is a little bit off topic except that i came across it um while i was looking stuff up

[01:57:12] and hold on let me get into here and it's called the bible doesn't say that 40 biblical mistranslations

[01:57:22] misconceptions and other misunderstandings by joel m hoffman okay okay and he supplied some of the

[01:57:32] notes that i read or some of the information that i was reading about the mistranslations of the

[01:57:38] the dragon the tan versus tan versus tanum right and um i just want to add that to our list of

[01:57:46] books to get to someday sure because it just sounds like right up our alley yeah and i wanted to

[01:57:52] credit him with that information i got that from him yeah okay so that is our wrap up are you sir

[01:58:02] ready to get into a quiz i guess okay now you have big shoes to fill because i only missed one

[01:58:12] oh wow okay all right so i did really well i'll try to be on my best uh best lamentations

[01:58:18] knowledgeable you know see footing here all right according to lamentations this is number one

[01:58:24] according to lamentations who ruled over them okay multiple choice okay mighty men slaves strangers

[01:58:34] profits slaves correct i mean right i'll tell you when we're done but that's the right answer

[01:58:41] okay number two what did the soul of the writer of lamentations say the lord is

[01:58:48] a redeemer a portion a provider or a keeper um a provider that is incorrect okay i'll tell you

[01:58:57] what it is when we're done got it number three according to lamentations what should one wait

[01:59:03] quietly for wars an answer from the lord salvation of the lord or whatever will happen

[01:59:12] um salvation from the lord i think that's what i picked and i think that's wrong i think that's

[01:59:19] one i missed then maybe i don't i don't remember okay number four who wrote the book of lamentations

[01:59:25] Jeremiah yeah that's uh right supposedly the other choices were ester david or jona who we

[01:59:31] haven't even got to yet number five what did the writer of lamentations ask the people to do for

[01:59:38] the lives of their children cry lift up their hands pour out their hearts like water or all of the above

[01:59:46] all of the above yeah actually i think that's the one i missed okay and i think all of the

[01:59:51] above is the correct answer got it okay so i don't remember what the answer was to that other one

[01:59:56] okay number six when is it good for a man to bear the yoke in his childhood when he is old

[02:00:03] in times of need or in his youth in his youth correct which i don't understand what the difference

[02:00:10] is between in his childhood versus in his youth i'm you i'm assuming youth means young man like

[02:00:16] like teens and 20s yeah okay like childhood as a kid right under 18 in america well i would

[02:00:22] imagine that young adults or youth in in those times would have been probably 12 or you know

[02:00:30] 13 you know somewhere i don't know but definitely not as old as we would put a young adult right

[02:00:35] so not as old as we would put a young adult number seven according to lamentations what were the

[02:00:41] young man young men compelled to do and under what did boys stagger respectively dig wells

[02:00:50] and loads of iron pass through fire and heavy weight grind at the mill and loads of wood

[02:00:58] or melt iron and bricks mill and wood yep that's the right one and actually i have a note about

[02:01:06] that if you're interested okay um one of the commentaries mentioned that wow they were forced

[02:01:13] to do women's work oh is that what it was yeah oh and that's why that stuck in my head that's why

[02:01:18] i got the right one interesting yeah i was like oh did they have to do women did they have to do their

[02:01:24] own laundry and cook dinner poor boys like fuck off right okay okay i'm not saying grinding at the

[02:01:33] mill is rough work and so is having to carry loads of wood right can't it just be rough work yeah

[02:01:39] why you gotta call it women's work what you can't do that right that's hard yeah no these people

[02:01:45] were fucking suffering they were doing hard ass labor not just quote unquote women you right

[02:01:52] like fuck off number eight how did the writer of lamentations say they get their bread at the

[02:02:00] peril of their lives under pressure with great joy or with sacrifices at the peril of their lives

[02:02:07] correct number nine in lamentations chapter two what did the writer call to mind and made him

[02:02:16] to have hope steadfast love of the lord god's covenant temple of jerusalem or the lord has great

[02:02:25] might hmm can you repeat those answers again steadfast love of the lord god's covenant temple

[02:02:33] of Jerusalem the lord has great might with steadfast love of the lord okay i don't remember i know i

[02:02:39] got it right but i don't remember all right number 10 according to lamentations who did they say sinned

[02:02:46] and they bear the person's inequities their prophets their kings their fathers or all of the above

[02:02:55] all of the above i don't think that's right no i think it's their fathers but i could be wrong

[02:03:00] okay number 11 according to lamentations what did the hands of compassionate women do

[02:03:08] fought for their own children boiled their own children acquired weapons cultivated fields

[02:03:16] boiled their own children yes that is grossly correct yeah all right checking results all right

[02:03:23] okay according to lamentations who ruled over them yes slaves you got that right yeah number two

[02:03:29] you got this one wrong what did the soul of the writer of lamentations say the lord is you picked

[02:03:36] provider but the answer was portion the lord is your portion got it and i came across that several

[02:03:42] times in my notes that's how i was able to get it right sure so sorry no sorry you got this one

[02:03:48] right number three according to lamentations what should one wait quietly for salvation of the

[02:03:53] lord you got it right okay number four you got this one right as well who wrote the book of

[02:03:58] lamentations jeremiah yep number five you got this one right what did the writer of lamentations

[02:04:05] asked the people to do for the lives of their children the answer you got right is all of the

[02:04:10] above cry lift up their hands and pour out their hearts like water okay number six when is it good

[02:04:17] for a man to bear the yoke in his youth you got that right yeah number seven according to

[02:04:23] lamentations what were the young men compelled to do grind at the mill and what did boys stagger

[02:04:29] under loads of wood you got it right number eight how did the writer of lamentations say they get

[02:04:35] their bread at the peril of their lives yeah yeah got it right number nine in lamentations chapter

[02:04:42] two what did the writer hope to call to mine and made him to have hope steadfast love of the lord

[02:04:48] you got it right good on right number ten you got this one wrong which i i told you yeah yeah according

[02:04:55] to lamentations who did they say sinned and they bear the person's iniquities the fathers the fathers

[02:05:02] you picked all of the above which would have included their prophets and their kings right right

[02:05:06] but i remember specifically i did say their fathers because you're like that's fucked up yeah okay

[02:05:12] and last one number 11 according to lamentations what did the hands of compassionate women do

[02:05:18] you got this one right they boiled their own children which is disgusting yes and you got

[02:05:24] nine right out of 11 it's not bad i did better than you though yeah you did so i'm the winner you

[02:05:30] do the you do the research i do the research and i come across stuff that i don't always even

[02:05:35] mention right that i don't know is going to be on the the quiz so i'm better prepared i didn't i

[02:05:41] didn't prep for this other than just reading through yep with you so so you did good though you got an

[02:05:46] 81 percent and um the success rate from all players on this is 54 percent oh yeah so me and you both

[02:05:55] did good because yeah since i only missed one i got a 90 something right so yeah we both did amazing

[02:06:01] all right so you got anything else for us today or we're about done with lamentations

[02:06:06] yeah we gotta try to find some you're always wrong contradictions yeah yeah um and then uh

[02:06:14] i think we're gonna try to do a patreon this week or what are we doing this week as far as

[02:06:18] are we doing a special this week um i know we've been kind of off our game with trying

[02:06:22] to get stuff out lately so i was not sure that we were gonna do that i think that the um

[02:06:30] the contradictions was probably going to come out on sunday and then we were gonna start the next

[02:06:35] chapter one of whatever the fuck that one is we'll see how things go i mean we're definitely

[02:06:41] i think that's right yeah and we are falling behind on some of the extra stuff that we normally do so

[02:06:47] we'll talk about it and then we'll we'll figure it out so maybe we'll do both who knows

[02:06:54] i mean we've been known to put out two episodes in the same day like you know yesterday we put

[02:06:59] episodes like last week yeah yeah all right well that was uh lamentations wrap up and we will

[02:07:06] definitely be back tomorrow with um you're always wrong or contradictions so we'll see you guys then

[02:07:19] husband wife do you know what we're doing today well uh we are doing our last episode of

[02:07:27] lamentations and that means that today we're doing our you're always wrong or contradictions episode

[02:07:36] as i like to call it um so yes you have some contradictions for us today yeah i wasn't

[02:07:42] expecting to find any since lamentations was only five chapters right and they were poetry or

[02:07:48] whatever yeah so uh i was surprised that yes i did find four contradictions okay well let's get into this

[02:08:06] all right so now we are jumping into your always wrong contradictions for lamentations

[02:08:14] yes you ready for this i'm ready are you ready to be always wrong

[02:08:20] let's let's do it yeah that was um the sound of husband rolling his eyes for those keeping score at home

[02:08:29] okay number one husband yes wife how should we treat our enemies kindly or cruelly i'm gonna go with

[02:08:38] i would vote for kindly personally you're right you're right at proverb says if thine enemy be hungry

[02:08:45] give him bread to eat if he be thirsty give him water to drink right even though i hate him

[02:08:52] he's my enemy or whatever yeah i'm not gonna let him fucking starve to death right yeah i'm not

[02:08:57] gonna give him the biggest steak right but i'm not gonna not give him any steak yeah right

[02:09:03] you know okay okay but guess what what you're always wrong of course i am because several places

[02:09:12] several places god says that you should definitely treat your enemy cruelly i see in psalms it says

[02:09:19] let their way be dark and slippery and let the angel of the lord persecute them let destruction

[02:09:25] come upon him at unawares and then later in psalms it says break their teeth oh god in their

[02:09:31] mouth that's rough let them be as cut in pieces damn cut my foe into pieces

[02:09:40] okay and then again in psalms and psalms are supposed to be lovely right this is my god's

[02:09:45] retort yes yes good one good one um further in psalms it says thy foot may be dipped in the

[02:09:53] blood of thine enemies and the tongue of thy dogs in the same damn yeah that's rough and then

[02:09:59] and then of course lamentations yeah it says give them sorrow of heart thy curse unto them

[02:10:06] persecute and destroy them in anger from under the heavens of the lord

[02:10:12] fuck those enemies kill them hard let them die let them starve soak up their blood and

[02:10:19] and just cackle wildly you know so i have to interject here because uh this is one of my

[02:10:26] things that i really hate about our current culture and how we relate to um islamic terrorism

[02:10:34] and the people that are responsible for it right like we we have no remorse we have no

[02:10:40] empathy for their situation now i'm not saying that we should excuse or condone what they do

[02:10:47] that is that is by far not the case but like we talk about destroying them with literally

[02:10:54] no compassion right like they're not people they're subhuman so it's fine right that's that's the way

[02:11:01] to me that's just a disgusting way to operate i don't i don't approve of it i don't like it

[02:11:06] it's it's kind of the whole problem with the discussion around what's going on in um gaza

[02:11:11] right now and and israel and all that um we don't treat these people as though they are human

[02:11:17] beings and i can't stand that way of thinking i mean a lot of our media um tends toward that like

[02:11:26] as much as i love the john wick movies yeah somebody killed his dog that his wife gave him right so he

[02:11:33] goes on a killing spree right like ultimately that's what it's about kill and so i'm gonna kill you

[02:11:40] back harder sure again i love the john wick movies but let us not forget that that's the kind of thing

[02:11:48] we're talking about here and those those are our entertainment it you know you killed me first

[02:11:55] i'm gonna kill you back harder and and it's justified right it's fine killing is fine but

[02:12:02] it's just to me it's such a basic way of thinking right it's childish and not that it can't be fun

[02:12:06] in certain you know john wick right like you just brought up that that i like that movie it's a fun

[02:12:11] movie it's a fun you know whatever the franchise is is just awesome it's very well my puppy i'm gonna

[02:12:16] get you back you know like that whatever i that's that's the basic way of looking at it but like

[02:12:22] it's it's a fun concept i understand that there's more to it than that but at the end of it like

[02:12:28] it's justifying retribution in the name of murder right we're allowed to in john wick we're

[02:12:35] allowed to look at those people as evil because they are portrayed as evil right and but that's the

[02:12:40] same way that media does things today is they portray our enemies as evil when exactly it's a lot more

[02:12:45] nuanced than that and there needs to be a lot more discussion behind it when we're talking about

[02:12:48] killing actual human beings right who are not all guilty of you know whatever it just it

[02:12:56] bothers me that's all it's not it it's not very um christian in the christian idea that i had

[02:13:05] earlier on of what christianity was supposed to be right now i've been told since then you know i've

[02:13:12] been dissu dissuade from the foolish notion that christianity is supposed to be one of peace and

[02:13:18] love i've been told that um jesus was too woke and too soft right so perhaps the flaw is mine

[02:13:27] and you know christianity is just shitty right could be mine there's a there's a i can't remember

[02:13:35] what who sings it exactly it seems like it should be like i don't i don't want to say a name because i

[02:13:39] might be wrong um but there's a like we shove a nuke up their ass or something like that oh it's

[02:13:45] that one um country singer wasn't it that one country singer yeah isn't it like toby keith or

[02:13:51] some shit i mean like i want to say something like that but i like again i don't want to be

[02:13:55] wrong about it so um yeah i don't know for sure who that was so but yeah that's that's the type of

[02:14:06] christianity that yeah a lot of um the like hardcore southern baptist goes for that you know

[02:14:13] right right that that vengeance yeah the get them right right okay sorry to go off on a rant there

[02:14:20] but i just i had to say something because to me society should have moved beyond this idea that

[02:14:26] god portrays with regard to how we treat other human beings and other cultures and yet we still

[02:14:33] haven't but we know we should right you know like that they teach our kids better right but then

[02:14:38] they grow up and and get told no that's too woke we're supposed to hate right yeah yeah okay

[02:14:46] so okay number two can god be found yes or no uh no sure no sure you're right you're right um

[02:14:56] proverbs says then shall they call upon me but i will not answer they shall seek me early but

[02:15:03] shall not find me and then in lamentations it says also when i cry and shout he shut

[02:15:09] us out my prayer and then it says again in lamentations thou hast covered thyself with a cloud

[02:15:17] that our prayers should not pass through yeah no prayer for you but no prayer for you but guess what

[02:15:22] what you're always wrong okay because in proverbs it says those that seek me early shall find me

[02:15:30] i see yeah and it says it in lots of other places too that's just the one i'm glad

[02:15:35] but of course you can find god okay don't you know yeah i guess all right okay number three

[02:15:41] is god the creator of evil yes or no i mean if we are going with the assumption that god created

[02:15:47] everything and that there is a god in the first place then the answer has to be yes in my opinion

[02:15:53] i agree with you i agree with you um first king says behold i will bring evil upon the house

[02:15:59] of jaroboam and will cut off from jaroboam him that pisseth against the wall

[02:16:06] and then um in second kings it goes on to say behold this evil is of the lord

[02:16:12] and then in jeremiah it says i will bring evil from the north

[02:16:16] and then in lamentations it says out of the mouth of the most high proceeded not evil and good

[02:16:24] so yeah you know they have it but guess what what you're always wrong because in psalms it says

[02:16:32] for thou art not a god that hath pleasure and wickedness neither shall evil dwell with thee

[02:16:39] you know that's that's wrong no that is wrong he has specifically said that he takes pleasure

[02:16:43] i'm bringing the bad yeah right yeah i'm bringing the bad and i'm gonna like it yeah

[02:16:48] hey last one ready yep number four husband yes wife god merciful fuck no the fucking dick

[02:16:57] yeah there's plenty of examples of that let me just read you the ones that i

[02:17:00] plucked out randomly all right in exodus we have the lord god visiting the iniquity of the fathers

[02:17:06] upon the children and upon the children's children unto the third and to the fourth generation

[02:17:12] that's not very merciful that's not very merciful no no and then in deuteronomy

[02:17:16] and thou shall consume all the people which the lord thy god shall deliver thee thine

[02:17:21] eyes shall have no pity upon them that's not very merciful that's not merciful either no and

[02:17:26] then in first samuel yeah we got now go and smite amalek and utterly destroy all that they have

[02:17:33] and spare them not but slay both man and woman infant and suckling i don't i don't think that

[02:17:39] there's any context in which you could call that merciful right no that is never merciful yeah

[02:17:45] and then in jeremiah which you know we just read before lamentation yeah i will not pity nor spare

[02:17:52] nor have mercy but destroy i see and that is definitely not merciful okay all right then

[02:17:58] we've got two examples in lamentations okay okay yeah the lord has swallowed up all the

[02:18:04] habitations of jacob and hath not pitied he has not literally says he's not merciful yeah

[02:18:10] he hath not pitied right yeah and that is true yeah and then again it says the lord has done

[02:18:16] that which he had devised he has thrown down and hath not pitied he's doing a lot of hath

[02:18:23] not pitying yeah he's got no fucking mercy yeah but guess what what you're always wrong i think

[02:18:31] i'm just gonna stop you right here but in this instance i'm not fucking wrong well okay the

[02:18:35] bible the bible says you're wrong all right the bible says you're wrong i can only go with what

[02:18:40] the bible says you know okay and in deuteronomy it says for the lord thy god is a merciful god

[02:18:47] he is merciful okay and then and then in jeremiah you know yeah we recently read yeah also also

[02:18:53] jeremiah wrote lamentations says i will not cause mine anger to fall upon you for i am merciful

[02:19:01] say at the lord and i will not keep anger forever now i don't know if um we can take it if somebody

[02:19:10] declares themselves merciful does that make it so i don't trust people's opinions of themselves

[02:19:18] because it's a it's an unfair um you're you're you're it's a very biased point of view right right

[02:19:24] so not only that it's a biased point of view from something that doesn't exist that's written by

[02:19:28] somebody else that's a human that we're not even sure which human wrote it so yeah yeah but you

[02:19:33] know so the answer to me is no i can't trust that but then i've got one last one for the book

[02:19:38] of lamentations yeah which you know that's what we're pulling these sure and it says for he

[02:19:45] does not afflict willingly nor grieve the children of man but literally in lamentations it said twice

[02:19:52] that he has no pity yeah for the the destruction and things and the killing of babies right yeah

[02:19:57] so so fuck off with that yeah so um i'm gonna say hey bible you're always wrong yeah and that

[02:20:06] me and husband were always right right i i think or at least we're 90 percent right sure i'll leave

[02:20:13] some room for error but i i try to look at this well i mean i try to answer the best way i can see

[02:20:19] the answer because sometimes it feels like i should answer from what god has said sometimes it feels

[02:20:23] like i should answer from how i feel about the situation right because there's just so much back

[02:20:28] and forth on the issue in the bible right and i think that i have a very clear idea as to what

[02:20:34] my morals are versus what we discussed in these chapters but it feels like the bible doesn't

[02:20:40] have any idea what their morals are with regards to these issues in the bible not only don't they pick

[02:20:45] a stance they go back and forth and choose whatever stance is good in the moment yeah and then pretend

[02:20:53] that that's always been the stance right so we're supposed to walk away from this even though um god

[02:21:00] has specifically said he has no pity he's urged his people to go murder on on killing sprees of

[02:21:07] children and babies and to enjoy it even though he's done all this we're supposed to walk away from

[02:21:12] the bible going man what a merciful god he is so nice and sweet and i just can't he's told us who he is

[02:21:19] yeah you know he's he's he's said it multiple times and we just choose to look at the only times that

[02:21:25] he says the others things right you know and so that to me is just very disingenuous and not

[02:21:29] not correct yeah like we need he's telling us he doesn't take pity he's telling us

[02:21:34] he's not merciful he's telling us he's a dickhead yeah you know so let's just believe him yeah god

[02:21:39] is a dick let's believe him and and more over when you have this many contradictions we've gone how

[02:21:45] many episodes of contradictions have we done now like it's it's for every single book of the bible

[02:21:49] well we didn't do them earlier on so we haven't done all of them but we did um i will push back

[02:21:54] on that because we've touched every single book of the bible with since we have um started

[02:22:02] doing these that's true even the books that we didn't do it from that perspective right they have shown

[02:22:08] up on the other end that is true so every single book of the bible thus far even a five chapter

[02:22:15] lamentations right has contradictions i think we did have trouble with joe joe there was no real

[02:22:21] contradictions because it was a story form or something like that there was like one

[02:22:25] contradiction or something like that i think i'd have to go back and check honestly there was

[02:22:28] one that we did have a light version of it might have been the book of ruth could have been that too

[02:22:33] yeah i don't remember exactly or ester one of them chicks regardless i don't see how you can

[02:22:39] have this many contradictions and still say that this god is even real yeah much less have a positive

[02:22:47] attribute to him right i mean it's it's all the time we talk about this at the end of every

[02:22:52] book so it just blows me away that's all accepting that he's not real he's also not good if we're

[02:23:00] yeah in canon right yeah for sure all right well that was uh lamentations contradictions

[02:23:06] sure as fuck was which means that we are now done with lamentations we sure as fuck completely

[02:23:13] yeah like we finished it yep and just a quick note and we might i don't know we might do

[02:23:19] something about this but i will see we just had our thousandth episode yesterday one thousand episodes

[02:23:26] that's crazy i didn't realize it in the moment but like we have done one thousand now one thousand and

[02:23:32] one episodes for sacrilegious discourse or 10 d1 right when our 10 d first episode right yeah

[02:23:41] that's insane that's a lot of fucking podcasting yeah it doesn't even hardly seem possible but

[02:23:46] we have and what it'll be what four years this august it will it will crazy yeah yeah we're coming

[02:23:53] up on our fourth year anniversary so we're doing it we're reading the bible yeah we're doing it

[02:23:57] we sure are and you guys you're doing it too you guys have been i mean honestly the reason

[02:24:03] that we're still doing this as much as we are is because of our listeners and you guys are absolutely

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[02:24:14] thousandth episode mark seriously and here's to one thousand more yes indeed right all right

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