Bible Study by Atheists Weekly: Amos Chapters 1 - 5 plus Q&A and special episode

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[00:00:29] This is the good Lord. This is the good book. This is, he is fantasizing about murder. Mass murder. Head over to SacrilegiousDiscourse.com right now to find out how to leave us a review or support us on Patreon. Wife! It's been a minute. Do you know where we are? Well, we just, not just, we kind of slacked. So it's been like a week, I think. But we finished Joel. We did. We finished George and Jeff.

[00:01:03] Jeff and Jeff. Or Joel. But Joel. Jojo Bean. It's just Joel. But anyway, so what are we, what are we getting into today? A mouse. No, no. Nope, that's not correct either. Amos. Amos. Amos. Yeah. Okay. So this will be the 30th book of the Bible that we're reading. I'm glad you're counting. I mean, you know, it's, I'm good at that. At least up to 30 anyway. I don't know. When we get to 31,

[00:01:33] it might be, you know, off. I don't know. We'll see. So what, what do we, what are we jumping, what are we hopping into? Like, what is this, what is this Amos crap? Aimless.

[00:01:44] I don't think you said aimless. No, Amos crap. Amos crap. Yeah. He's a guy and we're going to talk about him and intro the book and then we're going to read chapter one. All right. You ready to do this? I suppose I am. Let's do it. Okie dokie.

[00:02:07] Wife. Do you remember what happened yesterday? Well, we read the first chapter of Amos. We did. Yeah. And in that chapter, God was a murderous dickhead. That tracks? Yeah. Sounds about right. And he was mad at a lot of people like the Philistines and the, and lots of people, whatever. Tires. Tires.

[00:02:29] Tires. Tires. Ammonites. Yeah. And, and it was mostly for doing shit that God's done in the past in the Bible. Yeah. So, um,

[00:02:38] I found it quite hypocritical. As usual. And overly, uh, mean. Yes. That was my takeaway. Well,

[00:02:46] I mean, it said in the intro. Yeah. When I was telling you what this book is about,

[00:02:50] that this is one of the more violent and vitriolic heated books of the Bible. Yeah. And it lived up to

[00:02:58] its, uh, its, its end of the bargain there. It's only nine chapters. Right? Yeah. I mean,

[00:03:03] well, Joel was only three chapters. Right. So, you know. Yeah. But this one's like,

[00:03:07] he's a mean son of a bitch. Right. Don't like. No, I, I don't either. So, uh, that was Amos chapter one.

[00:03:14] Sure as fuck was. Which means that today we're getting into Amos chapter two. Let's do this.

[00:03:20] Okie dokie. Alrighty doodle. We are going to hop into this second chapter of Amos. All right.

[00:03:33] This is what Sovereign Lord says. Is it now? For three sins of Moab, even for four,

[00:03:41] I'll not relent. Even for four. Even for four. Not even for that fourth one. Yeah. And five is right

[00:03:47] out. Because he burned to ashes the bones of Edom's king, I will send fire on Moab. Fuck those guys

[00:03:57] that will consume the fortresses of Kerioth. Huh. Moab will go down in great tumult amid war cries and the

[00:04:07] blast of the trumpet. Oh, okay. So it's going to be a war. Mm-hmm. There's going to be a war.

[00:04:13] I'm going to get you. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I will destroy her ruler and kill all her officials with him,

[00:04:21] says the Lord. Yeah, the God, the, this God, the God that's, you know, the God. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:04:28] This is what the Lord says. Yeah. For three sins of Judah. Even for four. Even for four. Yeah. I will

[00:04:37] not relent because they have rejected the law of the Lord and not kept his, you know, my decrees. Yeah.

[00:04:45] Because they have been led astray by false gods, those fuckers, the gods, their ancestors followed.

[00:04:53] I will send fire on Judah that will consume the fortresses of Jerusalem. Wait, weren't we just

[00:05:00] destroying Moab and some, like, enemies and now we're destroying Judah? Yeah. Each chapter,

[00:05:06] do you remember in the intro? Yeah, no, I... Each chapter is getting closer to home. I got it. I got it.

[00:05:10] Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So here we come. It's about to get on Israel now. Okay. Okay. This is what

[00:05:18] the sovereign Lord says. Yeah. For three sins of Israel. Even for... Even for four. Yeah. I will not

[00:05:25] relent. He's not going to relent. He won't. This guy is not going to stop. He's going to keep going. This guy

[00:05:30] is relentless. He is going to kill these people really, really hardcore. Yeah. Because that's what God

[00:05:35] does. One time my sister and I went to see this movie and the train would not stop. It was like the train,

[00:05:45] it was one of those, like, speed. Like, remember the movie Speed? The one that was on a train,

[00:05:51] though? Yeah. It was that one. Okay. That train didn't stop. No. And they kept talking about the

[00:05:57] train. And so finally, like, I think she and I and like maybe two other people were the only ones in

[00:06:03] the theater. And I go, the train, the train, the motherfucking train, the train won't stop.

[00:06:10] Stop. Because that fucking train would not stop. It was relentless. Yeah. Just like this fucker.

[00:06:18] Yeah. It wouldn't have mattered if there was, like, three, even four roadblocks in its way.

[00:06:24] No. Yeah. No. It would have just kept going. Yeah. Uh-huh. They sell the innocent for silver

[00:06:30] and the needy for a pair of sandals. Damn. Those fuckers. They're like, um, would you take this kid?

[00:06:39] I gotta get some more shoes. I mean, I need some fucking sandals. If I throw in a change of clothes

[00:06:47] for the kid, could I get my nails did too? Right. Right. Right. Yeah.

[00:06:51] They trample on the heads of the poor as on the dust of the ground and deny justice to the oppressed.

[00:06:59] Father and son use the same girl. Ew! And so profane my holy name, they use the same girl.

[00:07:08] Yeah. I got it. But there was a lot of that, though, in the Bible where they were, you know.

[00:07:13] But the way they phrase it, like, you know, I took some milk out of the fridge and poured myself,

[00:07:20] like, I used a glass for the milk. I used a girl for the fucking. I used a cow for the getting the

[00:07:27] milk. Right. I used the stove for the cooking. And then I used the girl again for the fucking.

[00:07:33] It was rather callous and shallow. Right. You know, they use the same girl, you know,

[00:07:37] the way you do. Right. Yeah. You would think if you were railing against this as a god,

[00:07:42] because it was wrong, you would phrase that differently. Right. In a different manner.

[00:07:47] Okay. So look. So look. Okay. We're going to play act here. I'm God for a minute. Okay. Ready?

[00:07:52] Ready? So I'm God. And I'm not really mad that they use the same girl. I'm just mad that they did

[00:08:00] it in a different God's name. I mean, my people use the same girl all the time, but they know it's

[00:08:10] about the Yahweh. Right. Right. Yeah. And they, they don't do the Asherah polls except for in the

[00:08:16] next chapter when I yell at them for doing the Asherah polls. Right. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That I

[00:08:22] don't know if was I supposed to contribute or you just were monologuing as God there. Um,

[00:08:26] did you have anything to offer? I didn't really have anything to offer. Honestly, like that's what he

[00:08:30] sounds like to me. Sure. Yeah. Like, honestly. No, it's, it's really bad. Like the,

[00:08:35] the things that we are, the, the problem is that we are talking about things that happen under his

[00:08:42] watch and that he condones oftentimes depending on the situation. Right. Right. Or, or at least

[00:08:48] overlooks. And, and it just really depends on what is happening and what needs to happen according

[00:08:53] to this God and, and whatever. So like if you were writing a book, um, these things that only

[00:09:01] happened to move the plot forward, like they would never fly. An editor would never let that pass.

[00:09:08] Right. Unless you were writing 50 shades of gray or something drivel like that, which I shouldn't say

[00:09:15] that because I mean, the author completed the novel and published it. Well, this is, this is the Bible,

[00:09:21] right? It's been around for thousands of years and it's got so many followers, right? Like there's so

[00:09:25] many people that follow this thing, but like you take a star Trek fan and they're going to care way

[00:09:31] more about like correctness and, and holding to the same themes. Yes. Like what the Bible, like

[00:09:39] we're star Trek fans and we're like, that's out of character. Why Cisco acting like that? Like,

[00:09:44] cause we're watching deep space line right now, like working our way through it. And we're like,

[00:09:49] why, why they write them like that this episode? That's not how that goes. Right. Or like,

[00:09:54] like, Oh, Dex is dead. What the fuck? I didn't know that was coming. Cause you know, we never

[00:09:59] watched. Sure. Yeah. So I'm talking about more like, so like there's that again, I'm going to,

[00:10:05] this is a deep cut on star Trek, but like there's the, they covered this a while back where they're

[00:10:11] only allowed to go like four or five or something like that because it's going to destroy the fabric

[00:10:15] of the universe or something. Yeah. That was in next generation. Sure. And they brought it up.

[00:10:24] Again, right. Not ever. Yeah. And I'm like, wait, wait, you guys can't do that. You can't go that fast

[00:10:32] because that's going to, you're going to ruin the universe. You have to only save that for emergencies.

[00:10:37] Right. If you do it at all, it should be like the lead in the pipes, you know, illegal. Right. Right.

[00:10:44] Yeah. Like, have you been hearing the reports that they're like, we should really make it illegal

[00:10:49] and make people replace the pipes in their houses. Right. And then the rest of America is like, wait,

[00:10:58] wait, wait, I thought we already made that law. And they're like, they're like, oh, I mean,

[00:11:05] we did it for like buildings, but not like houses, like Michigan. Right. Right. And then we're like,

[00:11:11] what? So we're just living with all this. Like there's literally no safe amount of lead. Right.

[00:11:19] Like not even, it's not like, well, if you just have a little bit, if you only go to warp four,

[00:11:26] it should be okay. No, no lead, no warp. Right. Okay. Yeah. No. Anyways.

[00:11:33] So I'm just saying though, that Star Trek, you know, fans are much more, they, they hold their,

[00:11:39] the, the storyline to its word. Like they, they get mad when things don't, you know, hold to what

[00:11:45] they say. Right. And as do any fandom. Right. Any fandom holds its characters and plot lines

[00:11:52] accountable and says, writers, you failed us. Right. Or, or they might say, oh, that happened

[00:12:00] during the writer's strike. So that tracks that that was a bad season. Sometimes things happen

[00:12:06] in a series where they're like, no, we're going to disregard that because it doesn't fit with the

[00:12:09] rest of the overarching story. Right. So some things that happen fall outside of canon. Sure. But

[00:12:16] it's still known that they fall outside of canon. Right. You know, whereas in the Bible,

[00:12:20] canon is 2000 years worth of the same fucking literature. Yeah. And, and it doesn't,

[00:12:26] they don't care and the fans don't care. The fans don't care.

[00:12:29] And I'm like, why, why, why do I care more about your fandom than you do? Right. That makes no

[00:12:36] fucking sense. It's problematic. Y'all are the passionate ones, right? The passion, you know,

[00:12:42] of the, of the Christ. Right. Right. Like, like y'all are the ones that are trying to convince me how

[00:12:48] awesome this is. Well, I'm, I'm just reading it and I'm like, okay, tell me, tell me when we get to

[00:12:55] the good bit where it all comes together. And then, you know, we're getting to the end of the

[00:13:00] Old Testament and it is not coming together. No. It's falling even further apart. I think it's the,

[00:13:06] the, the holes in the plot, you know, like the, the things that don't mesh up for me. And it's

[00:13:11] consistently all the way through. Cause we've had, we, every episode, every, every chapter,

[00:13:15] we've had something to say. Yeah. It's consistently inconsistent. Yeah. And it's consistently

[00:13:22] hypocritical. Right. And it's consistently grotesque. Yes. And that is not any religion

[00:13:31] I want to be part of. Right. So, all right. I'm so sorry. Let's continue with chapter two. Yeah. So

[00:13:37] those fucks use the same girl. And so profane my holy name. Got it. Okay. They lie down beside

[00:13:45] every altar on garments taken in pledge. Oh, so when somebody's like bringing in like a sacrifice,

[00:13:53] right? Yeah. They're like, Oh, this is, this is nice threads. So let's lay down and fuck on it.

[00:14:01] Is that what they, that's what they do? Yeah. That's, I mean, they lie down beside every altar

[00:14:05] on garments taken in pledge. Got it. Yeah. Okay. In the house of their God, they drink wine taken as

[00:14:11] fines. See that, that's what I'm saying. Like all this stuff that is coming in for a reason,

[00:14:18] they're like, and that is mine. And that is mine. Right. Which is exactly what we were saying was

[00:14:23] happening from the get go because why that that's what was happening. Like, Oh, are you mad that the

[00:14:28] grifty fucks are grifting? You're telling, I, I, I can't accept the fact that these people would take

[00:14:33] things from people as a, um, sacrifice quote unquote, and then just let it rot. Yeah. You

[00:14:40] know, like, no. Okay. So the first time that, um, okay. So my sister and my mom and I like briefly

[00:14:49] attended this, I want to say it was like a Methodist church in San Antonio. And like they did

[00:14:55] communion. I didn't cause I have never like been into that. Like, sure. Just creepy and weird to me.

[00:15:02] Yeah. Like I couldn't, why would you want to eat the blood and, you know, and drink the blood and

[00:15:07] eat the body of, of a dead person. I didn't want to pretend I was right. Yeah. Like I just, I

[00:15:14] couldn't grasp what it was and I was in high school. So I wasn't like just, you know, this little kid

[00:15:19] that's like, I don't get it. Right. No, you're like, what are we doing? Yeah. No, I'm good, man.

[00:15:24] Yeah. So like, I don't know what this is, but it seems real cultish. Yeah. I just watched from

[00:15:29] afar. Right. And so, um, but my mom was friends with the pastor who was a lady, which was a big

[00:15:37] deal because not all religion, not all Christianity allows women to be leaders. Sure. So this is a big

[00:15:44] deal. So after the service is done, she's got like these leftover loaves of bread and it was so

[00:15:54] like disconcerting, like a half hour ago, it was the body of Christ, but now it's just like, Hey,

[00:16:02] do you want to take this home? Otherwise I got to throw it away. You know what I mean? Like,

[00:16:07] it was the body of Christ, but now is just Panera at the end of the night. You know what I'm saying?

[00:16:15] I'm like, what? That is a little, that's funny. Yeah. I couldn't, I was like, what are we going to do

[00:16:24] with this leftover Christ Jesus? I hate it when we have all this Jesus laying around. We always have

[00:16:30] too much Christ. I'm like, buy less like better that you run out of body. Yeah. Right. I guess not.

[00:16:39] You got to have too much body. I just, I can't do communists. That's a whole different ball of

[00:16:46] weird. Right. Yeah. All right. So anyways, he's like grifty grifters are grifting and that pisses

[00:16:53] me off because I'm God and only my people get to grift, but not really, but only sometimes on some

[00:17:00] Thursdays. Yeah. Yet I destroyed the Amorites before them though. They were tall as fuck. They were tall

[00:17:08] as the cedars and strong as the oaks. The giants. Remember the Amorites? Was that what they were?

[00:17:14] Yeah. Yeah. The Amorites and the Amalekites. I can't remember exactly which ones were the giants,

[00:17:20] but the Amorites sounds right. Yeah. Yeah. But there was another one that started with A2 and I want to

[00:17:25] say it was the Amalekites. I don't remember at this point. I could have it totally confused. Sure.

[00:17:29] I'm known to do that. Started with an A. Okay. Yeah. So these fucks were tall and I just, I God

[00:17:37] destroyed them, but y'all still grifting and I'm pissed. I destroyed their fruit above and their roots

[00:17:45] below. I burned up that plant. I brought you up out of fucking Egypt and led you 40 years in the

[00:17:53] wilderness to give you the land of the Amorites. I know he like strings attached forever. Right?

[00:18:01] Like. We can never forget about Egypt. Dude, it's been centuries at this point. Right. Like hundreds

[00:18:07] of fucking years and you're still bringing that up. And moreover, we discovered it never fucking

[00:18:12] happened, man. I know. I mean, most likely it never happened. Right? I mean, based on all of

[00:18:17] archaeological evidence, it never fucking happened. Okay. But like, let's say you're like living in

[00:18:23] the, what, what is this? Like the, the negative 700s, right? Like the 700 and some odd BCEs. Right.

[00:18:30] Right. So, um, I know it's not negative, but like, like I'm seeing it on a timeline. And so the BCEs

[00:18:39] are the negative numbers. Right. So, okay. You're walking around and fucking negative 700 and some BCE. Right.

[00:18:46] Sure. And you're like talking to God. Right. And God's like, I brought you guys out of Egypt.

[00:18:54] And, and he's like, that was so long. Like we're negative 700, but that was like negative 5,000.

[00:19:02] Like, or whatever. Yeah. You know, like God. That would be like, that would be like if Thomas

[00:19:07] Jefferson were our God. And he was like, I brought you out of Appalachia. Like what? And I'm like,

[00:19:12] what? Thanks for the Louisiana purchase, man. But fuck off. Right. I mean, like Lewis and Clark,

[00:19:20] right? Like what even? Yeah. Weren't Lewis and Clark the guys? They were the, they were the

[00:19:25] surveyors, right? Yes. Okay. I was just making sure. I think it was Sacagawea. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:19:30] Went with them. And, and, and they raped her a lot. That was my understanding. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:19:36] Not good. No, but she's got a coin now. So, I mean, I guess, I guess that evened up. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Okay.

[00:19:42] Um, yeah. So it would be like, if those surveyors were like, we surveyed the land,

[00:19:48] we led you across the rest of the United States of the Americas. Right. And like you said, right.

[00:19:57] I just, I really wanted to like tie it together. Like, wait, that was those guys. Right. Yes. Okay.

[00:20:04] So yeah. And we would be like, yes. And thank you for that centuries ago, sir.

[00:20:11] Um, you raped people though. So it's not even fucking relevant. 200 and 300 years later.

[00:20:17] Right. Much less, much less hundreds and thousands of years later. Like, yeah.

[00:20:22] Get over yourself, my guy. Right. You know what? God needs to go fucking a share a pole.

[00:20:28] That's what, yeah. Yeah. He is just salty because his wife done left him.

[00:20:34] They wrote her out of the picture. Right. I also raised up the prophets from among your children

[00:20:41] and Nazarites from among your youths. Is this not true people of Israel?

[00:20:47] Well, to be fair, when he was writing this, the Nazarites, they were a thing that was early on in

[00:20:52] the Bible. We never heard about them after that ever again. Right. So it's funny that he says that

[00:20:57] because it's like, yeah, I guess according to the early Bible, that's true, but it kind

[00:21:02] of got left to the side. But then we start hearing about the Nazarites again because.

[00:21:07] Because of the prophets though. No. Yeah. But what I'm saying is in the new Testament,

[00:21:10] we're going to hear about the Nazarites because Jesus is of Nazareth, you know, Jesus of Nazareth.

[00:21:16] Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So we'll hear about them. Okay. So it's still something they,

[00:21:20] they probably talked about back then, but it lost favor for a while or something. I guess.

[00:21:24] I don't know. I mean, who knows? We didn't talk about the Nazarites for a long time in the Bible.

[00:21:31] Yeah. And they were, they were kind of important at one point. So. I mean, not as important as the

[00:21:36] Levites, I guess, but. But even they kind of disappeared. They did. They did. And, and it's

[00:21:42] like, it was a birthright and then it was just a club. Right. Like, well. That's what I'm saying.

[00:21:48] There's no consistency. None, none, but you continues the God he's declaring all this shit.

[00:21:54] Yeah. But you made the Nazarites drink wine. Oh, remember that? And commanded the prophets not to

[00:22:01] prophecy. Hmm. But that was God tempting them. Remember? No, they didn't. That was,

[00:22:08] that was another group. That was not the Nazarites. Not the Nazarites? No, no, no, no, no. That was some

[00:22:12] tribe that lived out in the, I can't remember the name of the tribe, but it was not the Nazarites. No? Okay.

[00:22:17] Okay. Well, I really wanted it to be them because they were the non-drinkers. And besides,

[00:22:21] it wasn't God tempting them. It was, um, I think that was Isaiah that was bringing them in and having

[00:22:27] them put it on a show for the other people to show how well they held their, you know. He's like,

[00:22:32] watch, they're not even going to fucking drink. Watch, watch. Yeah. Hey, want a beer? Right. Hey,

[00:22:37] hey, I got some good wine over here. No? Are you sure? I won't tell. But no, that was not the

[00:22:44] Nazarites. All right. Well, it could have been though. It couldn't have been because it wasn't.

[00:22:48] No, but I mean, no, I mean, it might as well have been though for all I care. Oh, okay. Is what I

[00:22:54] mean. I see. Yeah. Now then, continues God. Yeah. I will crush you as a fucking cart crushes when loaded

[00:23:03] with grain. Hmm. You know, when you put too much shit in your car and it weighs down and the axle

[00:23:09] falls off the back, that's what I'm going to do to you, said God. Okay. Really? Well, that's,

[00:23:15] that's oddly specific. It really is. It's very strange and weird. Yeah. Like, can I? So you're

[00:23:25] like, what, load rocks up on me or what's, what's happening? What's in the trunk? I don't,

[00:23:29] I don't understand exactly what he's planning on doing here. Fool on you because I'm riding on a

[00:23:35] moped. Boom. The swift will not escape. The strong will not muster their strength and the warrior will

[00:23:44] not save his life. Okay. Except for if he's Worf. Worf is a warrior, but he is not a merry man,

[00:23:53] but he will always be a warrior and save somebody's life. Yes. I, okay. I'm looking at

[00:24:01] wife very questioningly right now because I'm like, what? Yeah. Mark your bingo board if you

[00:24:05] just heard him roll his eyes at me. What the fuck is going on here? Because, okay, look, it says,

[00:24:09] the warrior will not save his life. And all I could imagine is like Worf going, the hell you say. Okay.

[00:24:15] You know? Yeah. Well, no, I just, I guess I was kind of, we talk about Star Trek sometimes. I know.

[00:24:20] And we did already in this episode. Yeah. But that was like to, to assume that everybody knows the,

[00:24:26] how to relate Worf to the Bible is separate. Okay. I know that we're, I know that we're almost done.

[00:24:31] There's like two sentences left. Yeah. But I got to say something, um, Star Trek related actually,

[00:24:36] totally off topic. Oh, okay. Okay. So we are on the last episode or I'm sorry, the last season

[00:24:44] of Deep Space Nine. I believe. Yeah. Yeah. So we did not know that Jadzia dies. No, we did not.

[00:24:52] And so we've spoiler post spoiler alert. I mean, honestly, like a show that old, can it be spoiled?

[00:25:00] I mean, it could, maybe there's people like, you know, watching it right now and they've never,

[00:25:05] much like us, never saw the end of Deep Space Nine. Well, um, so spoiled it for somebody.

[00:25:11] Okay. Bruce Willis was a ghost the whole time. So anyway, um, I just, I like, we didn't pause it

[00:25:21] and like, talk about it. Right. But it was, it was very shocking because we just assumed,

[00:25:26] oh, this is Star Trek. They'll bring her back. Whatever. Yeah. They kind of did, but not really.

[00:25:30] They, oh yeah. Like they brought the Dax. Yeah.

[00:25:34] Symbiont back in a different individual, but Jadzia is gone. Yes. And that was just like, what?

[00:25:41] What? How dare? Like, I want to read the trivia and find out why, like what happened? Right.

[00:25:48] Did she like get a deal somewhere else? Did she just be like, I'm out. Was there sexual harassment

[00:25:54] involved? Were they like, bitch, we don't like you anymore. You're a diva and write her off.

[00:26:00] Like, I have no idea what happened. Nor do I. Huh. Okay. All right. Let's wrap this chapter up.

[00:26:05] Two sentences. Ready? Yeah. The archer, remember I just said the warrior won't be strong and the

[00:26:11] fasty guy won't be fast. Right. Yeah. The archer will not stand his ground. The fleet footed soldier

[00:26:19] will not get away and the horseman will not save his life. I see. Even the bravest warriors will flee

[00:26:27] naked on that day. He declares the Lord. The end. That was shocking. Why are they going to be naked?

[00:26:34] Because they're, they don't even have time. They're like, okay. So like you're supposed to

[00:26:40] have a bug out bag. Right. Okay. So like you grab it on the go. If there's an emergency,

[00:26:46] right, you have all your documents and you know, change of underwear and toothbrush and you grab

[00:26:52] it and you go, right? Your bug out bag. Right. These guys didn't even have a chance to like put on

[00:26:57] their undies. But what does it matter whether they were fleeing or not? Cause he's going to kill

[00:27:01] them all anyway. Like he said, the swift won't survive. Okay. Because let me ask you this,

[00:27:06] survive, even though we don't believe in an afterlife. Right. Okay. But let me ask you this,

[00:27:11] your legacy. Okay. Would you rat you're about to be murdered? Okay. Would you rather be murdered

[00:27:19] while you're wearing clothes or while you're naked while I'm wearing clothes? Right. So that's,

[00:27:25] so this is just a humiliation. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, I'm going to murder you,

[00:27:30] but first I'm going to watch you run around naked. Got it. In front of each other. Yeah. And,

[00:27:35] and I'm going to laugh at all your flopping willies. Literally like the kid that was

[00:27:39] frying ants. Yeah. You know? Yeah. He's just like, I'm going to torture and kill you all.

[00:27:44] And, and I'm going to point and laugh. Right. Cause I'm God. Hear me roar. Yeah.

[00:27:49] Unless you beg for mercy and say you love me a lot. And I might not hear you. It just depends,

[00:27:54] depends on my fucking mood and which way I'm looking. And if there's a,

[00:27:58] a tall tower on a different part of the planet, whatever. Right. Fuck that guy. All right.

[00:28:05] Well, you got anything else for today? Today? No. Fuck this chapter. Fuck this book. Fuck this Bible.

[00:28:10] That was Amos chapter two. Sure as fuck was. And, uh, we will actually be back tomorrow with,

[00:28:16] uh, it's going to be a day off for most of you, but it'll be a special Patreon episode for those on

[00:28:21] Patreon. You'll get to hear a teaser on our regular feed. And obviously we would love it if you joined

[00:28:27] us on Patreon and helped us out. Um, it's, you can get memberships as low as $1 a month and it really

[00:28:33] does make a difference to us. It really does. And, uh, so just, if you can head over to patreon.com

[00:28:39] forward slash sac religious discourse and join us over there so you can catch the new Patreon episode

[00:28:45] that will be releasing tomorrow. Yes. And then after that, we'll be back with Amos chapter three.

[00:28:51] All right. We'll see you then. Bye.

[00:28:54] Ben. Wife. Do you know what we're reading today?

[00:29:03] Well, yesterday, well, no, not yesterday. We did our special episode yesterday for the patrons.

[00:29:08] Yeah. The election one. You should go listen to it. It was good.

[00:29:11] It had keys inside of it. Yeah. But two days ago, we read Amos chapter two.

[00:29:16] Sure as fuck did. And in that chapter, God was kind of pissed. He was big mad. He was big mad.

[00:29:23] Yeah. He was mad. I think mostly at like everybody. Mostly.

[00:29:30] But it started off with him like, you know, yelling at Moab, uh, the King of Edom and some

[00:29:36] different people. Yeah. And then it trans did it, it moved into Judah and Israel. Yeah. And he's like,

[00:29:41] I'm going to kill y'all. Yeah. I'm going to, you're all, you're all sucking and you're,

[00:29:47] you're not doing good things and it's not going to be good for you. It's not going to be pretty.

[00:29:51] This whole book of this, this whole Bible has been that. Well, yeah. You just described every

[00:29:56] fucking chapter. Yeah. No, I get a little sick of saying it, honestly. It's just that God hates

[00:30:01] what people are doing and then, you know, murders people. Yep. Pretty much. That's,

[00:30:05] that's how it goes. Yep. Yep. So, yeah. So that was, uh, basically the gist of Amos chapter two.

[00:30:11] Okay. Which means that today we're getting into Amos chapter three and even tomorrow it'll be four.

[00:30:21] All right, let's do this. Okie dokie.

[00:30:29] Alrighty, let's get into this Amos chapter three. Amos. Why? Because I wanted to. But you didn't

[00:30:36] correct me last time. I know, I know. And you didn't give me hell after the podcast. Gave you hell?

[00:30:40] You mentioned it. You're like, you didn't even correct me. And I was like, well, I guess I got

[00:30:43] to correct you now. Okay, that is not how I said it and that is not giving you hell. Even if it was

[00:30:48] how I said it. Um, you responded that Amos is close enough to Amos that you were not going to

[00:30:56] worry about it. It's true. And so I just assumed that you weren't going to worry about it. And then

[00:31:02] just now you did. So I'm like a little taken aback. I'm sorry. So I'll try not to correct you

[00:31:07] as much this book as other books. Okay. Because it is pretty close. It is, right? Yeah. And anyway,

[00:31:13] you keep calling him Amos. Amos? No, you weren't saying Amos. You're saying Amos. Oh, okay.

[00:31:21] So I say it wrong too. You say it wrong because you're dumb. I wonder, you know, somebody,

[00:31:27] it would be an impossible task. How many things we've said wrong in this podcast? Oh gosh.

[00:31:31] Like mispronunciations, you know, that would, that would be embarrassing. It'd be a monumental

[00:31:37] task for someone to undertake. Yeah. And it would be an embarrassing amount. It really would.

[00:31:42] I mean, I know it's an embarrassing. I can't even apologize enough for how many times I have

[00:31:48] fucked up knowing that I fucked up. Me too. And that's not even people's names and places. That's

[00:31:54] just like English vocabulary. Like even before I get into. So I got, I got to, I got to go off on a

[00:32:00] little sidetrack here. So wife knows English really, really well. Hold on, hold on. Okay.

[00:32:06] Hold on. Okay. Knows English really, really well, but knows the written word much, much, much, much

[00:32:14] better than the spoken word. No, that is true because I'm a reader first and then a writer. Yeah. And

[00:32:20] a speaker very last. So wife often understands and knows and, you know, can utilize a, a, a word and a

[00:32:29] sentence very easily, but has never actually heard it out loud. Yes. And therefore does not know how to

[00:32:36] pronounce it. Right. And oftentimes during our podcast, I'll look over at her and I'll be like,

[00:32:40] what the fuck did you just say? And literally your face says that to me because I can read it.

[00:32:48] Right. Right. It's kind of funny, but you know, one of the reasons we need to eventually go into like a

[00:32:53] video podcast, I think someday. And so that people can hear you roll your eyes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:33:00] I think, I think our physical interactions during the podcast would be entertaining to some. To some.

[00:33:05] Yeah, for sure. For, I don't know, maybe four people. Four people? Yeah. Four people. That might

[00:33:10] be generous, but yeah. I can name them. I know the four people. Right. All right. I'm going to read this

[00:33:18] book now. Okay. Let's do that. And I'll probably say some words wrong. Yeah. Could be. I'm okay

[00:33:24] with that. I've made my peace. Hear this word, people of Israel. Okay. The word the Lord has spoken

[00:33:32] against you. As I do. Against the whole family I brought up out of Egypt. You know. The whole

[00:33:39] family. I read in the notes, he's referring to the entirety of his people. Jacob, Israel, whatever.

[00:33:48] Yeah. All of them together. Yeah. Yeah. And it's strings attached, you know. Obviously. Yeah. It's

[00:33:53] been strings attached. Centuries. The whole fucking time. Yeah. Yeah. You, you only have I chosen

[00:33:59] of all the families of the earth. I mean, that's not entirely true, actually, because there has been

[00:34:06] speak in the Bible in the later books that we've been reading where they're trying to, like, I think

[00:34:11] it was, uh, who was the crazy, um, prophet that was on drugs? Oh, it started with an N, right?

[00:34:18] Or no, I don't know. Was it Ezekiel? Ezekiel. Yeah. It was Ezekiel. Yeah. Ezekiel. I remember

[00:34:24] specifically, they were talking about bringing in other, you know, groups of people, like not just

[00:34:30] the Israelites. They were trying to like reach out to other cultures and things like that. Yeah. I kind

[00:34:35] of remember that. I don't remember which dude it was, but I'm pretty sure Ezekiel is one of them.

[00:34:40] It might've been in a couple of the prophets books, right? Right. And so this is wrong.

[00:34:44] Like it's, it's wrong insofar as it is countered in other parts of the Bible.

[00:34:50] But this happened before those. I understand, but God is out of order, but God, it's out of order.

[00:34:57] Yes. So, but God is also supposedly all knowing, all seeing, all whatever. I'm going to push back on

[00:35:03] this one because if I told you yesterday, we don't have any butter. Yeah. And then today we have butter

[00:35:11] because you went to the store that doesn't contradict what I said yesterday. Okay. So, so, you know,

[00:35:20] a couple of centuries ago, he's like, I've only chosen y'all and y'all keep fucking up. And then

[00:35:26] several centuries later with whoever it was, he's like, Hey, you know what? Let's bring in some new

[00:35:31] blood. It's not a contradiction. It's an adaptation. I hear you. I guess my, my, my problem with the

[00:35:39] whole scenario is that nothing really changed. Right. Like at least when you got the new butter,

[00:35:45] you went to go get the new butter. Sure. But his fucking people are still worshiping the sheriff

[00:35:49] holes like the whole goddamn time for centuries. So like what, why, why are we bringing new people

[00:35:54] into the fold now versus then? That is why, why is it, why is it the now any different than the,

[00:35:58] the way back? You know, it doesn't make any sense. Um, maybe he got sick of it. Just like when you

[00:36:04] can't find stuff in the fridge and I get sick of it. I'm going to try to find something new. So I'm

[00:36:08] going to reach out to these people, see if they like me and worship me correctly. Cause y'all can't

[00:36:12] find the fucking butter. I mean, how many times have you like been in the kitchen and I'm sitting on the

[00:36:18] couch doing something in the living room and you're like, where's the butter? And I'm like, seriously,

[00:36:23] it's in the fridge and you're like, I don't see it. And then I'm like, but you have to look and

[00:36:28] you're like, I did. I am. We just covered this in the last, I know. I'm still upset about it. I'm

[00:36:34] still really upset about it because then like, you're literally arguing with me that you can't see it.

[00:36:40] And somehow I should care. And then I'm like, you might have to move things around. You have to

[00:36:46] use better eyes and you have to try a little bit. You have to try. And you're like, I did move.

[00:36:53] I don't see it. And then like, it's, I'm just going to take the L here and, uh, and, and say,

[00:37:00] yeah, you're right. I suck. Well, here's the thing. It's that drop it though. No, no, no, no, no.

[00:37:08] It's that, what is that call where it's on purpose and competence? Uh, I, I'm sure I know what

[00:37:15] you're getting at, but I can't think of it on the spot. Yeah. I can't think of what it is either,

[00:37:19] but it's, it's something incompetence. It's basically where like, and you don't necessarily

[00:37:26] have to know ignorance. No, not ignorance. Incompetence. It's a willful incompetence.

[00:37:32] That's what I said. That's what I said, but I don't, I don't think that's quite the right term,

[00:37:36] but it's basically like, and you may not be conscious that you're doing it. So you might

[00:37:42] not be doing it on purpose, but basically, you know, that if you are just bad at something or

[00:37:48] stupid about something long enough, then eventually your partner will come in and clean up your mess

[00:37:57] or do the work for you or whatever. It is a phenomenon. No, I got it. I got it. I just,

[00:38:05] I didn't expect to be like completely chastised here at the beginning. No, well, okay. You

[00:38:10] chastised me a little bit, um, during our Patreon episode. So I do not want to hear that was based

[00:38:15] on what we were reading and talking about. Okay. But anyways, this is about finding shit in the

[00:38:21] fridge. Yeah, I know. Okay. Nothing to do with anything. No, it does. It does because look,

[00:38:27] God is incompetent. Yeah. Right. And there it is. Okay. He's willfully incompetent. So you're,

[00:38:34] you're saying I am on the same level as a God. Oh my God. That is not what I'm saying. That is

[00:38:39] not what I'm saying at all. That's what I would take away from it. Okay. You do that. That helps

[00:38:43] you sleep better at night. Anyways, you only have, I took this such a bad phrasing. You only have,

[00:38:52] I chosen of all the families of the earth. Therefore I'll punish you for all your sins.

[00:38:58] Okay. Um, sure. I chose you. So you guys are going to get it worse than anybody. Right. And

[00:39:05] it's like, could you please not choose me? Yeah. I don't. We, how many times have we said

[00:39:09] that throughout this book? We're like, I don't, I don't want to be chosen. Can I, can I, can I opt

[00:39:13] out? I would love to opt out. I didn't sign anything here. So I'm just going to like go over

[00:39:17] there. I would very much like to be removed from the chat. Do two walk together unless they

[00:39:27] I mean, yeah, all the time. Yeah. If they're walking the same direction. Have you not been

[00:39:32] to New York? Right. I mean, come on. Yeah. Um, it's not that they, well, I guess there is an

[00:39:39] unspoken agreement. Like we're both going this way. I guess they both had to choose to go in that

[00:39:44] direction. Yeah. But are they walking together or are they just walking near each other? See,

[00:39:49] that's a really good question. The phrasing is a little not specific there. Yeah. I guess

[00:39:55] just walking the same direction next to each other is not actually walking together. Right. And so

[00:40:01] they, yeah, they would have to have agreed. Sure. To be together. Although, although sometimes

[00:40:10] like if you and I go out, right, like let's say we go to the movies or something. Yeah. Um,

[00:40:15] we have not said we're going to walk from the car to the theater together and hold hands across the

[00:40:21] parking lot. Like we never agreed. But it's an unspoken agreement still. It is an unspoken

[00:40:26] agreement, but it does that count as an agreement? I don't know. Did we, did we agree we're walking

[00:40:34] together because we have agreed to do so? I don't know. I'm probably being nitpicky. Yeah, we're

[00:40:39] nitpicking here. I don't, I just, I don't like the phrasing. Right. Anyway. I gotcha. Do two walk

[00:40:44] together unless they have agreed to do so? Does a lion roar in the thicket when it has no prey?

[00:40:49] Does it growl in its den when it has caught nothing? Does a bird swoop down to a trap on the

[00:40:56] ground when no bait is there? Does a trap spring up from the ground if it has not caught anything?

[00:41:02] How about how much is the wind blowing? When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble?

[00:41:08] Wait, what? Why would the people tremble with a trumpet? Because the trumpets were used for war?

[00:41:13] It's an alarm. It's like, you know, the locusts are coming, the winds are coming, the army is coming.

[00:41:22] Right. It would be like our sirens that we have now.

[00:41:23] Yes. The claxons.

[00:41:25] Yeah.

[00:41:26] Yeah. So trumpet sounds, do not people tremble? When disaster comes to a city, has not the Lord caused it?

[00:41:35] Uh, no, he has not. No, he, he has always caused the disaster. Well, in the Bible. Yeah. In the Bible. But I'm saying no, he, he does not cause disaster. Right. But in canon, every single disaster was his fucking fault. Right. Every single one. Sure. I blame him for everything in this fucking book. Well, he owns up to most of it. Yeah. All of it, actually. He's proud of it. He's on purpose killing people. He's, he's basically who Trump, um, like modeled himself after. Right. Like, yeah, I did it. And I'm proud of it.

[00:42:04] And you're stupid if you don't. Right. Now kiss my fucking boot. And they do. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, same people usually. Interesting. Hmm. Surely the sovereign Lord does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants, the prophets. The lion has roared. Who will not fear? The sovereign Lord has spoken. Who can but prophecy?

[00:42:28] Again, he's saying that he's telling the prophets, right? Like that's what they're saying again here. And there is so much relying on what other people tell other people. Right. About what God says. Okay. But see, here's the Christians coming in to correct you. Excuse ya. They were led by God.

[00:42:52] They were led by God. They were led by God. God led their hand to write down the words. What is my, what is my. Years as not to know. But. Oh my God. There, there, there, there's the, I don't accept that. You're the devil. Okay. That's fine. The devil can quote scripture too. That's great. That's great. That's great. So, so, I mean, you know, anybody that has taught scripture can, can quote scripture. That that's pretty much a.

[00:43:21] I'm the devil. I'm the devil. I'm the devil as well. And my cat. Proclaim to the fortresses of Ashdod and to the fortresses of Egypt, assemble yourselves on the mountains of Samaria. See the great unrest within her and the oppression among her people.

[00:43:39] They do not know how to do right, declares the Lord, who store up in their fortresses what they have plundered and looted.

[00:43:47] Okay.

[00:43:48] Yeah, they're supposed to.

[00:43:49] They're supposed to what?

[00:43:51] Spend it real quick or melt it down. I don't know.

[00:43:53] Oh, sacrifice it maybe?

[00:43:54] Give it, give it away.

[00:43:55] Oh, I think it was sacrifice it.

[00:43:58] Okay.

[00:43:58] I really do. I think.

[00:43:59] So give it to the priests though.

[00:44:01] Right.

[00:44:01] Is that what you're saying?

[00:44:02] Yes.

[00:44:03] Yeah.

[00:44:03] But not keep it for themselves.

[00:44:04] Okay.

[00:44:05] Yeah.

[00:44:06] All right.

[00:44:06] Therefore, this is what the sovereign Lord says.

[00:44:09] Okay.

[00:44:10] An enemy will overrun your land, pull down your pants.

[00:44:14] No, wait, pull down your strongholds and plunder your fortresses.

[00:44:18] Okay.

[00:44:19] This is what the sovereign Lord says.

[00:44:21] As a shepherd rescues from the lion's mouth only two leg bones or a piece of an ear, so will the Israelites living in Samaria be rescued with only the head of a bed and a piece of fabric from a couch.

[00:44:36] It's very specific.

[00:44:38] It's very specific.

[00:44:40] It's only the left side cushion.

[00:44:43] Right.

[00:44:43] Not the right or center cushion.

[00:44:45] Right, right.

[00:44:45] And not the ones in the back.

[00:44:47] I'm talking about the one you sit on, just that one.

[00:44:49] With regard to the lion, it's either two bones or a piece of an ear.

[00:44:53] Yeah.

[00:44:53] Yeah.

[00:44:54] I mean, it's not both.

[00:44:56] Right.

[00:44:56] You can't get both.

[00:44:57] No.

[00:44:57] But you can get one of those or the other.

[00:44:59] No tongues.

[00:45:00] Yeah, definitely no tongues.

[00:45:01] The lion likes that too much, apparently.

[00:45:03] Yeah.

[00:45:03] And he swallowed all the buttons on your shirt.

[00:45:06] Hear this and testify against the descendants of Jacob, declares the Lord.

[00:45:10] The Lord God Almighty.

[00:45:12] Mm.

[00:45:13] Okay.

[00:45:13] Lordy, lordy, lordy, God Almighty.

[00:45:15] We're going to testify against the descendants of Jacob now.

[00:45:17] Yes.

[00:45:17] Who's testifying against them?

[00:45:19] Is this the prophets that are testifying against them or the godly people that they're preaching to?

[00:45:24] Or, like, how do we determine who is godly and who is not?

[00:45:27] Is it, again, apparently we're taking the word of this prophet, right?

[00:45:32] Mm-hmm.

[00:45:32] And if we're taking the word of the prophet, then the aspects of the northern tribes where they're still worshiping what they believe to be Yahweh, only in a different form, is...

[00:45:45] If God was with them, they would have won out.

[00:45:46] And also probably has prophets there as well, if I had to guess.

[00:45:49] If God was with them, they would have won out.

[00:45:51] They did not win out, therefore God was not with them.

[00:45:54] Boom.

[00:45:54] Question answered.

[00:45:55] Problem solved.

[00:45:56] But you could argue that none of the Jewish folk has won out over time.

[00:46:02] Like, there's been a lot...

[00:46:03] They're still here.

[00:46:03] God has been with them over the years.

[00:46:04] They are still here, but there's a lot of people that are still here, as far as, you know, groups of people.

[00:46:09] But we're not worried about them, guys.

[00:46:11] We're talking about the Jewish people.

[00:46:13] I know.

[00:46:14] I know.

[00:46:15] But it just, it doesn't...

[00:46:16] No.

[00:46:17] It just doesn't sit well.

[00:46:19] That's all I'm saying.

[00:46:20] Okay.

[00:46:21] I don't agree.

[00:46:22] I mean, you don't have to.

[00:46:24] You're of the devil.

[00:46:26] Oh, okay.

[00:46:27] Remember?

[00:46:28] Wife is feeling a bit ornery tonight, I think.

[00:46:31] Ornery.

[00:46:32] Ornery?

[00:46:33] Ornery.

[00:46:33] I love that you say ornery.

[00:46:35] It's a Midwest thing.

[00:46:36] It's such a Midwest thing.

[00:46:37] Yeah.

[00:46:37] Oh my gosh.

[00:46:38] There's this podcast that I listen to.

[00:46:40] This girl that I really like her advice about writing.

[00:46:45] Like, she offers a lot of very good references.

[00:46:47] Yeah.

[00:46:48] But you could tell she's from the Midwest because she cannot differentiate between her pins and pens.

[00:46:58] So, like, every word that has an I or an E, she says it the opposite way.

[00:47:02] Yeah, I do too.

[00:47:04] Not as much.

[00:47:05] But I do.

[00:47:06] Not as much as this girl.

[00:47:08] Got it.

[00:47:08] This girl does it hard.

[00:47:10] Okay.

[00:47:10] So, I have a light Midwest accent and she has a hardcore Midwest accent.

[00:47:15] Hardcore.

[00:47:15] Yeah.

[00:47:15] Okay.

[00:47:16] And I feel like it's almost, it almost takes me out of being able to listen to her.

[00:47:24] Got it.

[00:47:24] Because it annoys me.

[00:47:25] And I feel like that is classist of me.

[00:47:29] I took a sociology class when I was in college.

[00:47:32] Well, you look at me like I'm weird.

[00:47:33] So, I'm trying to explain to you.

[00:47:35] When I was in college, I took the sociology class.

[00:47:37] And I went into it with the understanding that, no, there's a proper way to speak.

[00:47:41] And there's, you know, everything else is not proper.

[00:47:44] Okay.

[00:47:45] Then, by the time the end of the semester, I understood that, oh, no, that is a very classist point of view.

[00:47:55] And who, much like, you know, who gets to decide which God is right?

[00:48:00] Who gets to decide which form of language is correct?

[00:48:04] Correct.

[00:48:04] Usually, it's the people in power with the money.

[00:48:06] And they speak a certain way to differentiate themselves.

[00:48:10] And then they make fun of the poor.

[00:48:11] And also, you know, they bar them from education and then laugh at them for not having education.

[00:48:16] Like, it's a very just oppressive cycle.

[00:48:22] It's a class signaling.

[00:48:24] Yes.

[00:48:24] That's what it is.

[00:48:25] Yes.

[00:48:26] When you speak in a certain way, you're signaling your class along with, you know, many other things that people can tell right off the bat about you.

[00:48:33] Yeah.

[00:48:34] And I'm sure that on our podcast, people judge us for the way we speak about things.

[00:48:38] Oh, sure.

[00:48:38] Obviously, the cussing takes us down a notch, which we do on purpose.

[00:48:43] Yes.

[00:48:43] Because the thing is, fuck you if you judge me for cussing.

[00:48:49] Fuck you if you judge me for the things that, like, if you choose to judge me because of how I'm conveying an idea versus what the idea is, fuck you.

[00:49:02] And I mean that in the nicest way to all of our listeners.

[00:49:05] Affectionately.

[00:49:05] Yes.

[00:49:06] Affectionately fuck you.

[00:49:07] But you are being judgmental.

[00:49:08] You are not allowing for the idea to parse into your, you know, brain.

[00:49:14] Well, I think the problem is that there are some very, very, very elite and arrogant atheists out there.

[00:49:20] Yeah, guys, I'm talking to you.

[00:49:22] Or not.

[00:49:23] I mean, no, the ones I'm talking to.

[00:49:26] Oh, the ones you're talking to, you're talking to.

[00:49:27] I'm talking to you.

[00:49:28] Okay.

[00:49:28] All right.

[00:49:28] Yeah.

[00:49:28] Yeah.

[00:49:30] They feel like this language takes away from the scholar that they are, the academic that they are.

[00:49:38] They are learned.

[00:49:39] They do not F-bomb.

[00:49:40] They are learned.

[00:49:41] And they are men of science.

[00:49:43] They are medical and technology.

[00:49:45] And they are smarty smarts.

[00:49:47] But we talked about this when we first started this project, right?

[00:49:50] And the way that people talk about the Bible in general is with too much reverence.

[00:49:55] Is with too much reverence, right?

[00:49:57] And it doesn't allow people to hear it in a way that is disarming, right?

[00:50:04] Like we allow people to see through the guise of the reverence of the Bible because we don't allow that reverence to come into it.

[00:50:14] Well, that and we're not scholars or academics, which we state all the fucking time.

[00:50:18] So why would I not use F-bombs?

[00:50:20] But beyond that, even without being scholars or academics, we could still read this with reverence.

[00:50:24] We could still read it with the idea that we're genuinely trying to, you know, read it with every effort to make it sound beautiful and wonderful and all these things.

[00:50:35] And then comment, you know, on the side from there.

[00:50:38] But no, the fact is that this book is used for wrong today, right now.

[00:50:46] Yeah.

[00:50:46] In our culture, as we're speaking, right?

[00:50:51] Yeah.

[00:50:51] And it's time to drop this veil of...

[00:50:56] Pretending that this book has more importance and weight than it should have.

[00:51:01] Yeah.

[00:51:01] No, this book is a fucking piece of shit, just like any of the other religious texts.

[00:51:06] And I'm not going to pretend that it's not.

[00:51:08] And I am going to cuss if I want to, because fuck you.

[00:51:11] Now, that being said, we will call out ideas that are good, right?

[00:51:15] Yeah.

[00:51:16] We do not want...

[00:51:17] We don't want to sit here and completely just Bible bash.

[00:51:21] That's not the point of the podcast.

[00:51:22] I mean, sometimes I get a little carried away, I'll admit.

[00:51:24] We do.

[00:51:25] We do.

[00:51:26] But we do also, when we come across an idea that is better than other things we read, we make a point to say so.

[00:51:33] Yes.

[00:51:33] And I think that's the important aspect of what we're doing, is that we're reading it and allowing people to see through the reverence of this book.

[00:51:41] Right.

[00:51:42] And then still admit, yes, there is some beauty.

[00:51:45] Yes, there is some poetry.

[00:51:47] It's been far and few between, but yeah.

[00:51:49] It is.

[00:51:50] But we're probably going to have to admit that more when we get to the New Testament than we have in the Old Testament, right?

[00:51:56] Sure.

[00:51:56] So I imagine that we're going to have to change our cadence a little bit when we get to the New Testament eventually.

[00:52:03] Yeah.

[00:52:03] I'm a little nervous about it, honestly.

[00:52:05] I think we'll be all right.

[00:52:06] No, I know.

[00:52:07] It's just like, I'm okay.

[00:52:11] Like, I've been okay trashing the idea and notion of God.

[00:52:14] Sure.

[00:52:14] Because God is so generic, right?

[00:52:16] Like, whatever.

[00:52:17] But then, you know, we're going to be dissing the Jesus.

[00:52:21] And like, it's so personal to so many people.

[00:52:24] But that should be less intimidating, right?

[00:52:26] Because Jesus forgives.

[00:52:28] God kills.

[00:52:29] Well, I don't know.

[00:52:30] I've been told that, you know, Jesus is too woke.

[00:52:33] Well, that's a whole other thing.

[00:52:36] Right.

[00:52:36] But, you know, whatever.

[00:52:37] I'm just saying, like, I have not yet shook off that timidness with regard to just being outright insulting.

[00:52:54] To Jesus?

[00:52:55] To Jesus.

[00:52:55] Yes.

[00:52:56] Really?

[00:52:56] Yes.

[00:52:56] You haven't?

[00:52:57] I haven't.

[00:52:59] Huh.

[00:52:59] Most of my, like...

[00:53:01] I would not have guessed that, actually.

[00:53:02] You look a little flabbergasted.

[00:53:04] Well, I...

[00:53:05] I don't...

[00:53:06] I've never believed in the Jesus part of the whole God story.

[00:53:09] Right.

[00:53:09] But, like, what...

[00:53:10] And I'm not trying to judge you here.

[00:53:13] No, I'm...

[00:53:13] But what about it makes you timid?

[00:53:16] Um, it...

[00:53:18] I'm trying to...

[00:53:20] I'm thinking on the fly here, okay?

[00:53:21] Okay.

[00:53:21] So forgive me.

[00:53:22] Yeah, no, that's...

[00:53:23] But I'm...

[00:53:23] I'm aware...

[00:53:24] You kind of threw me for a loop here.

[00:53:25] No, I'm aware of it, but I don't necessarily like it about myself.

[00:53:30] Okay.

[00:53:30] You know what I mean?

[00:53:31] Like, I'm like, why is Jesus different from God?

[00:53:34] That's why I'm curious.

[00:53:35] Yeah.

[00:53:35] Right?

[00:53:35] I don't know.

[00:53:37] I don't know.

[00:53:38] Is it because it was just such a cultural reference that it has permeated into your brain

[00:53:45] that you view Jesus as this higher-than-life type figure that stands for certain things,

[00:53:54] and if we cut him down, then we're going too far?

[00:53:58] Um, I think it has more to do with...

[00:54:04] Okay.

[00:54:05] Stay with me here for a minute.

[00:54:07] I mean...

[00:54:07] I'm trying.

[00:54:07] I'm going to speak slowly and haltingly because I'm trying to get thoughts out as I'm processing them.

[00:54:13] Okay.

[00:54:14] Okay?

[00:54:14] Yeah.

[00:54:14] I think that when we're talking about God in general or God of the Bible, the Old Testament

[00:54:21] in particular, it feels very generic and not any one particular religion.

[00:54:29] Yes, in this...

[00:54:31] Right.

[00:54:31] And yes, we are speaking about the Jewish people, right?

[00:54:36] Sure.

[00:54:37] And we know that the whole time, but I still don't, like, feel it.

[00:54:41] Like, I don't...

[00:54:43] Mm-hmm.

[00:54:43] It doesn't matter to me.

[00:54:45] Not because Jewish people don't matter.

[00:54:47] I don't mean to intimate that.

[00:54:50] But, um, I just don't have a reference point for it.

[00:54:55] It doesn't...

[00:54:56] It doesn't strike me.

[00:54:57] Well, the Old Testament God, when...

[00:54:59] Doesn't get talked about a lot.

[00:55:01] Right.

[00:55:01] Right?

[00:55:01] Like, it's not something that's in the normal...

[00:55:04] Um, if you go to a church, it's not in that normal, you know, service.

[00:55:07] Right.

[00:55:08] Generally speaking, they're talking about the New Testament.

[00:55:09] Right.

[00:55:10] Most of the time.

[00:55:11] So, that's...

[00:55:11] And that's what I'm saying.

[00:55:12] Like, I don't have that...

[00:55:14] There's nothing in it that feels even the slightest bit personal.

[00:55:18] Okay.

[00:55:18] It's just very generic.

[00:55:19] Yeah.

[00:55:20] With the Jesus thing, that's like a step past higher power, whatever.

[00:55:27] Right?

[00:55:28] Like, like, Christians, I feel like they're so fucking weird.

[00:55:33] Because they, like, took this idea of a higher power and then added to it.

[00:55:41] Yeah.

[00:55:41] And that is alive today.

[00:55:46] That...

[00:55:46] That...

[00:55:47] There are people, you know, like our neighbors, you know?

[00:55:50] Yeah.

[00:55:51] That, you know, I have a personal relationship with Jesus.

[00:55:54] And have you found Jesus?

[00:55:56] And are you saved by the blood of Jesus?

[00:55:58] And washed in his blood and shit?

[00:56:01] Right.

[00:56:01] Right.

[00:56:02] Like, I don't know.

[00:56:03] It just feels...

[00:56:04] It feels different.

[00:56:06] And I can't fully explain why.

[00:56:08] Okay.

[00:56:09] But it...

[00:56:09] It's not gonna stop me from saying his bullshit.

[00:56:12] Do you believe in...

[00:56:12] Do you have any sense that you believe in this?

[00:56:14] Oh, no.

[00:56:15] Not at all.

[00:56:15] Okay.

[00:56:16] Not a...

[00:56:16] No, this is not a respect for a being, a magical being.

[00:56:22] Okay.

[00:56:22] Okay.

[00:56:22] It's not.

[00:56:23] It's not reverence and it's not a belief or anything.

[00:56:26] Well, that's what I'm trying to get at.

[00:56:26] Like, what is it that's...

[00:56:28] Is it just, like, the idea that you're taking something that is so sacred to so many people

[00:56:34] and disparaging it?

[00:56:37] Yeah.

[00:56:37] And then I'm wondering why it would bug me on a Christian's behalf but not a Jewish

[00:56:43] person's behalf.

[00:56:44] I'm curious myself.

[00:56:45] I'm curious and I'm just trying to understand myself as I'm saying this.

[00:56:50] I wonder if there is some kind of, like, maybe accidentally ingrained anti-Semitism that

[00:56:57] I don't know about.

[00:56:59] Like, why would I not be offended on a Jewish person's behalf but I would be on a Christian

[00:57:03] person's behalf?

[00:57:04] I wouldn't view it that way, I don't think.

[00:57:06] I think that you've been exposed to more Christians in your life than you have Jewish

[00:57:10] folks.

[00:57:11] Sure.

[00:57:11] Right?

[00:57:12] Sure.

[00:57:12] So I think that maybe it's more about, you know, you see this religion through the eyes

[00:57:19] of people that you have known throughout your life.

[00:57:21] And some of my family and friends.

[00:57:23] Yeah.

[00:57:23] And the part that rings through that part...

[00:57:27] The idea that rings through is Jesus.

[00:57:31] Yeah.

[00:57:31] Not the Old Testament God.

[00:57:33] Right.

[00:57:34] Right.

[00:57:34] Right.

[00:57:34] So the thing that you're railing against will be railing against this God, Jesus, that they

[00:57:40] take so seriously and love so much.

[00:57:43] Right?

[00:57:43] Yeah.

[00:57:44] Is that kind of what you're thinking?

[00:57:48] I'm going to...

[00:57:49] Because I don't know.

[00:57:50] No, I don't know either.

[00:57:51] And I mean, I'm going to read it and I'm still going to be like, oh, that's stupid.

[00:57:55] Right.

[00:57:56] Or I'll say, oh, that was kind of pretty though, honestly.

[00:57:59] Like, I'm going to be the same way with it.

[00:58:02] Right.

[00:58:02] But I do have a little bit of timidity and reserve, like anxiety, mild anxiety over it.

[00:58:10] Yeah.

[00:58:10] Like, oh, shit's going to get real when we hit the New Testament.

[00:58:13] I think I've gone way beyond any timid behavior with regard to calling out God and Jesus because

[00:58:19] I don't have any respect for what is happening in our country that kind of goes along with

[00:58:28] this religious thought.

[00:58:29] Right?

[00:58:29] Now, I appreciate the allies.

[00:58:31] I appreciate the people who believe in the woke Jesus, you know, in the Jesus that accepts

[00:58:38] people, that is loving, that is whatever.

[00:58:40] Yeah.

[00:58:40] I, I've got no problem with people that view their religious, their, their religion in general,

[00:58:48] regardless of whatever that religion is, as long as you accept people and, and aren't

[00:58:52] trying to infringe on my rights.

[00:58:53] Yeah.

[00:58:54] Right.

[00:58:54] Yeah.

[00:58:54] I'm fine with you.

[00:58:55] You, you, you do, you, you believe whatever the, whatever you want, you know, I'm, I'm,

[00:58:59] I'm good.

[00:59:00] Sure.

[00:59:00] But when it becomes a, um, a, a vessel for hate, that's when I no longer give a fuck and

[00:59:11] I'm going to rail against that thing.

[00:59:12] And that thing has become evangelical Christianity, you know, right wing Christianity, um, Christian

[00:59:19] nationalist, Christian stuff.

[00:59:21] Yeah.

[00:59:22] Nazism.

[00:59:23] And that, that's generally what I rail against.

[00:59:24] It's not the people who are, who are just spiritual and love their God.

[00:59:29] Right.

[00:59:29] Like we have people in our discord that we talk to on a regular basis that are Christian and

[00:59:36] it has no, like we, we're really great friends with them and they make some really great conversation.

[00:59:44] Right.

[00:59:45] Because they ask questions and, um, we ask questions and it's just a fun dialogue and very thoughtful.

[00:59:53] And Chloe, we're talking about you, sweetheart.

[00:59:56] Yeah.

[00:59:57] Yeah.

[00:59:58] We, we have some very interesting and deep conversations, which is kind of similar to what got me and

[01:00:05] you started in the first place was these conversations.

[01:00:09] Yes.

[01:00:09] And it's, it's neat to have that with somebody else.

[01:00:13] Yeah.

[01:00:13] But I think maybe what I'm feeling is, I think you're right.

[01:00:18] I think it has to do with proximity to people of different faiths.

[01:00:22] And I am less exposed to people of Jewish faith than Christian faith.

[01:00:27] Um, and I, I don't like, even though like I bark, I'm all bark and very little bite because

[01:00:36] I cannot stand confrontation, even though I am very dramatic and I make the confrontation.

[01:00:41] Right.

[01:00:42] I can't stand it.

[01:00:44] And I feel like I'm setting myself up for a confrontation with somebody, anybody.

[01:00:54] Well, if you had been managing the social media, like I have been, you would have known that

[01:00:58] we already are being very confrontational with people.

[01:01:02] I'm sure.

[01:01:03] That's part of why I avoid social media.

[01:01:07] Like I do.

[01:01:08] Yeah.

[01:01:08] Because I don't want to on like, here's the thing.

[01:01:11] I don't mind them having a negative opinion of me.

[01:01:15] Right.

[01:01:16] Like, I don't care.

[01:01:16] I'm, I'm happy in my own skin.

[01:01:18] I'm fine with who I am and what I believe.

[01:01:20] Right.

[01:01:20] That does not mean I want to be exposed to a constant barrage of how much they hate me,

[01:01:27] how, how, you know, big my forehead is or whatever.

[01:01:30] Well, let me ask you this.

[01:01:32] As we've gone through the Bible, the Old Testament, obviously, have you regretted anything that

[01:01:38] you've said about the God of the Bible?

[01:01:40] No, no.

[01:01:41] No, um, only the times when I've got it wrong or, um, you know, misremembered the wrong person.

[01:01:49] But I mean, the sentiment.

[01:01:50] Have you regretted any of the sentiment toward the God of the Bible?

[01:01:53] Not that I can recall.

[01:01:54] No.

[01:01:55] Okay.

[01:01:55] So I feel like you're going to handle the Jesus side of this much the same way.

[01:02:01] But I haven't had to defend myself either.

[01:02:04] I get it.

[01:02:05] I understand.

[01:02:06] Um, and that's generally my job is I do the defending, but, um,

[01:02:12] it's still you, when you are pushed, you, you have very good responses to why you feel the way you do.

[01:02:19] And I think you could handle yourself just fine.

[01:02:22] It wouldn't be the same way I do it.

[01:02:25] I tend to be more of the picking apart, um, type of arguer than, than you.

[01:02:31] You formulate your ideas in a very emotional and, um, just how you feel and why you feel the way you feel.

[01:02:39] Yes.

[01:02:39] Type, type of a sentiment.

[01:02:41] Right.

[01:02:41] And, and I think that is actually a lot of times more effective than the way I handle it because it's coming from a personal side of it as opposed to a logical side of it.

[01:02:52] I handle the logic.

[01:02:53] You handle the emotion.

[01:02:54] And that's why this kind of meshes really well sometimes because we, we come at this from two different sides of the coin.

[01:03:02] I think, I think you're right because when I have had the few odd conversations with my parents about, um, religion, which we all try to avoid.

[01:03:14] God help us all.

[01:03:16] So to speak.

[01:03:17] Um, and usually it's just me and my mom, not my dad.

[01:03:22] Yeah.

[01:03:22] Um, when me and my mom get into these conversations, um, she does respond really well.

[01:03:28] When I'm able to say, I feel like use my, I feel like, you know, therapy tells you to do, you know, and like, you know, I, I hear what you're saying and I understand what you're saying.

[01:03:39] But that doesn't strike me and I feel this way instead.

[01:03:44] And, you know, providing an example or, you know, ultimately, I think for a lot of people out there that religion, because they're not really well versed in what it actually is on an intellectual and, and, um, you know, they, they haven't studied the Bible thoroughly.

[01:04:02] Right.

[01:04:02] They don't know everything about it.

[01:04:04] They're not educated on the Bible.

[01:04:06] Exactly.

[01:04:06] They know enough to be dangerous and that's about it.

[01:04:08] Right.

[01:04:09] So I feel like for most people who are Christian, the, the sentiment that they're going to convey generally is going to be a feeling about how they feel about their God, how they feel about their religion, how they feel about these things that, that come through this whole process of being religious.

[01:04:28] Right.

[01:04:28] Right.

[01:04:28] And when I come at them with logic, that doesn't, that doesn't sit the same way with them.

[01:04:37] Right.

[01:04:37] As with somebody who's speaking from an emotional side and saying, I don't understand this because I feel like, you know, this blah, blah, blah, blah.

[01:04:44] Right.

[01:04:44] Or I can't reconcile that.

[01:04:46] I can be very righteous and, and, and, and.

[01:04:49] Indignant even.

[01:04:51] Yeah.

[01:04:51] I, so, and I don't try to be that way, but when someone, when I do and I don't.

[01:04:57] You carry an authority about you that I completely lack.

[01:05:01] I, right.

[01:05:03] And part of that is being a man.

[01:05:05] But part of it is something I have had to learn since we've started this podcast, especially on social media, is pulling my ego back from a conversation.

[01:05:15] Because I have a very large ego when it comes to, when I feel like I'm right about something, my ego is right there.

[01:05:21] Yeah.

[01:05:22] But I have had to learn to pull it back from conversations because my goal is not to, to attack people.

[01:05:29] I'm not trying to attack people.

[01:05:30] Right.

[01:05:31] I, from my perspective and my way of dealing with this whole question of God and this whole question of religion is to ask questions.

[01:05:40] I want to know why.

[01:05:42] I want to know how.

[01:05:44] Yeah.

[01:05:44] I want to know the answer.

[01:05:46] Right.

[01:05:46] And, and when they can't provide it, I used to get, I still do get upset a little bit depending on how the conversation is going.

[01:05:54] Right.

[01:05:54] Right.

[01:05:54] But I'm trying really hard to keep my distance from that ego that gets involved in those conversations.

[01:06:01] Because a lot of the best conversations I have, I respond respectfully and with questions.

[01:06:09] Because you're, you're not going to convince anybody.

[01:06:12] And if you know that going in, why get mad about it?

[01:06:15] Why get pissed off?

[01:06:16] Right.

[01:06:16] It's just, it's going to be what it is.

[01:06:18] Because the only people that I get pissed off at now really are the ones that are just there to be trolls and, and just on purpose antagonize.

[01:06:26] Yeah.

[01:06:26] Yeah.

[01:06:27] Those are the ones that, that I do still.

[01:06:29] They send you a thousand links and.

[01:06:31] Right.

[01:06:31] Yeah.

[01:06:32] Yeah.

[01:06:32] Or they tell you a bunch of bullshittery that takes up like three full tweets.

[01:06:38] Yeah.

[01:06:38] Wall of text.

[01:06:39] If you're the unfortunate soul who decided to attack me that day and I was in a bad mood, then I probably sent, you know, 25 responses to your initial tweet that I was blasting you on.

[01:06:50] So I apologize for that if that was you and you're listening to rebut me, but you know, whatever, you know, if you want to come at me with, with facts and, and things that you're going to prove.

[01:07:02] Then do it.

[01:07:04] Yeah.

[01:07:04] Don't come at me and, and give me sentiment and give me, um, you know, hopeful thought.

[01:07:12] I, that doesn't do anything for me.

[01:07:13] Right.

[01:07:14] I don't, I don't operate under wishes and hopes.

[01:07:18] I, I operate under facts and logic.

[01:07:20] You know, it strikes me like people's faith in Jesus when I'm around them, it strikes me the same way as when I'm around people that like are super into crystals and, um, astrology and tarot card reading and that kind of stuff.

[01:07:38] Like they all very much believe what they believe.

[01:07:43] And it's always like this personal thing that, you know, either if you know, you know, and if you don't, you can't.

[01:07:51] But again, it doesn't bother me unless they say you need to do this also.

[01:07:55] Right.

[01:07:55] That's, that's when it starts bothering me.

[01:07:57] Right.

[01:07:57] I don't know.

[01:07:58] I don't need to do that.

[01:07:59] I don't need to believe what you believe.

[01:08:01] Right.

[01:08:01] You, you can fuck right off with that.

[01:08:03] Right.

[01:08:04] No, I totally agree.

[01:08:05] I'm just, I'm, I'm still trying to parse out like what my feelings are about the whole Jesus thing.

[01:08:10] Sure.

[01:08:11] And I'm sure we'll get into that even more when we get into the new Testament.

[01:08:13] I'm sure we will.

[01:08:14] Yeah.

[01:08:15] So, okay.

[01:08:15] Let me finish this.

[01:08:16] Yeah.

[01:08:17] We were almost done, but yeah, we got off on a, on a, on a sidebar there for quite a while.

[01:08:21] Yeah.

[01:08:21] There's three sentences left.

[01:08:24] I'm sorry.

[01:08:25] That was me.

[01:08:27] I think starting it.

[01:08:28] And then I flabbered your gaster.

[01:08:31] Yeah.

[01:08:31] Yeah.

[01:08:32] And you were like, hold on record scratch.

[01:08:35] Right.

[01:08:35] So, I would rather go down, you know, these rabbit holes than not, because I think we

[01:08:40] have some of our best conversations doing that.

[01:08:42] No, absolutely.

[01:08:43] Just hashing out what we believe in, why we believe it, you know?

[01:08:46] I mean, these are our back patio talks.

[01:08:48] Yeah, exactly.

[01:08:49] This is why we started this podcast.

[01:08:51] Exactly.

[01:08:51] Yeah.

[01:08:52] By the way, I love you.

[01:08:53] I love you too.

[01:08:55] Hear this and testify against the descendants of Jacob declares the Lord, the Lord God almighty.

[01:09:01] On the day I punish Israel for her sins, I will destroy the altars of Bethel.

[01:09:07] The horns of the altar will be cut off and fall to the ground.

[01:09:11] Wow.

[01:09:12] Blah.

[01:09:12] Okay.

[01:09:13] I will tear down the winter house along with the summer house.

[01:09:16] Okay.

[01:09:17] I think he's talking about like the storerooms.

[01:09:19] Sure.

[01:09:20] Okay.

[01:09:20] You know, when it's hot, we stay over here.

[01:09:23] He's going to do the bad.

[01:09:23] He's going to tear things down.

[01:09:25] Yeah.

[01:09:25] Okay.

[01:09:25] Yeah.

[01:09:25] All right.

[01:09:26] The houses adorned with ivy will be destroyed.

[01:09:28] But if you don't have ivy, you're good.

[01:09:30] And the mansions will be demolished.

[01:09:33] Fucking mansions.

[01:09:34] Declares the Lord the end.

[01:09:38] I wonder, I wonder, because there is some, like, especially in the older books, there

[01:09:43] is some love for the downtrodden and poor.

[01:09:47] Yeah.

[01:09:47] Right?

[01:09:48] Earlier on.

[01:09:48] So I wonder if ivy is an indicator of a higher status.

[01:09:53] Possibly.

[01:09:53] I'm not saying that it is for sure, but if you took the time to decorate your house

[01:09:57] and make it look fancy, like, maybe ivy was a way to indicate you took time to curate

[01:10:03] your house in a certain way back then.

[01:10:05] You're saying it's like a class sign?

[01:10:08] Well, otherwise, why would they indicate that he's going to tear down the houses with ivy

[01:10:12] as opposed to just the houses?

[01:10:13] Oh, I said ivy, but it's actually ivory.

[01:10:16] Oh.

[01:10:17] The houses adorned with ivory will be destroyed.

[01:10:20] Then it is a classist thing.

[01:10:21] Yeah.

[01:10:22] Okay.

[01:10:22] So he is railing against the rich and the powerful.

[01:10:26] Yeah.

[01:10:26] Okay.

[01:10:27] All right.

[01:10:28] Yeah, that makes sense.

[01:10:29] That makes way more sense.

[01:10:30] Yeah.

[01:10:31] Okay.

[01:10:31] I'm glad we revisited that.

[01:10:33] Yeah.

[01:10:33] Sorry.

[01:10:34] That's my apologies.

[01:10:35] Yeah.

[01:10:36] They took the tusks right off of those elephants.

[01:10:39] Yeah.

[01:10:40] Okay.

[01:10:40] That makes me sad.

[01:10:42] Yeah.

[01:10:43] Yeah.

[01:10:43] We watched an episode of Torchwood with Kid last night and there was a monster that was

[01:10:50] from like another dimension, time rift kind of thing.

[01:10:54] And it kept regrowing parts and these butchers kept cutting off pieces of it to sell like for

[01:11:02] hamburgers or whatever.

[01:11:03] Yeah.

[01:11:03] Yeah.

[01:11:04] And you could hear the creature like crying in pain every time they did it.

[01:11:09] Yeah.

[01:11:09] It was kind of tragic.

[01:11:10] I was like, I don't even remember.

[01:11:13] Like we already watched that show like years ago.

[01:11:17] Yeah.

[01:11:17] But now Kid is old enough that they're wanting to watch it.

[01:11:20] Because it's an offshoot from like Doctor Who.

[01:11:22] Yeah.

[01:11:23] Yeah.

[01:11:23] And we're all caught up on the Doctor Who.

[01:11:25] So we had to watch Torchwood.

[01:11:26] Speaking of which, I have to say this real quick.

[01:11:28] Okay.

[01:11:28] The new Disney Doctor Who, the first two episodes sucked complete fucking ass.

[01:11:33] Yeah.

[01:11:33] Okay.

[01:11:33] Like, I mean, I can understand if you stopped watching it after the first or second episode.

[01:11:38] Yeah.

[01:11:38] Like for sure.

[01:11:39] Like it's totally understandable and I don't even blame you a little bit.

[01:11:42] No.

[01:11:42] It was complete trash and awful.

[01:11:45] Yeah.

[01:11:45] I don't know what they were thinking.

[01:11:47] Well, they Disney-fied it.

[01:11:48] They fucked it up.

[01:11:49] Bad.

[01:11:50] Yeah.

[01:11:50] They did.

[01:11:50] But if you did stop watching on episode one or two, it does get better.

[01:11:54] I think so.

[01:11:55] There's a lot of people that don't think so, but I have to wonder if they're like only

[01:12:02] speaking of the first two.

[01:12:03] Those first two episodes leave a really fucking bad taste in your mouth.

[01:12:06] Right.

[01:12:06] I mean, they really do.

[01:12:07] But by the end of that season.

[01:12:09] They've turned it around.

[01:12:10] I was like, whoa.

[01:12:12] Like there's some good stuff happening.

[01:12:13] Yeah.

[01:12:14] The first two episodes, it was like Disney did their fucking Disney princess with goddamn

[01:12:17] Doctor Who.

[01:12:18] And I'm like, fuck you, Disney.

[01:12:20] Yeah.

[01:12:20] The hell were you thinking?

[01:12:21] Yeah.

[01:12:22] And they basically ruined it.

[01:12:24] They did.

[01:12:24] But then they brought the old writer back and he kind of fixed it.

[01:12:30] Yeah.

[01:12:31] I think he kind of fixed it.

[01:12:33] God bless the Moffat.

[01:12:34] No.

[01:12:34] No.

[01:12:35] No.

[01:12:36] No.

[01:12:38] I just have to say it every once in a while because it's funny.

[01:12:41] Oh, okay.

[01:12:41] Because, you know, we're an atheist podcast.

[01:12:42] Yeah.

[01:12:43] No, I got it.

[01:12:44] Okay.

[01:12:46] Logic bless the Moffat.

[01:12:48] Yeah.

[01:12:49] Void.

[01:12:49] I've heard people say.

[01:12:50] Math.

[01:12:51] Math.

[01:12:52] Math.

[01:12:52] Math.

[01:12:52] And butterflies.

[01:12:54] Right.

[01:12:54] Sure.

[01:12:56] Okay.

[01:12:56] So we're going to get out of here.

[01:12:59] Okie dokie.

[01:13:00] That was Amos chapter three.

[01:13:01] Sure as fuck was.

[01:13:02] And tomorrow even we're going to be back with Amos chapter four.

[01:13:06] Yes.

[01:13:06] That is correct.

[01:13:07] We will.

[01:13:07] Yeah.

[01:13:08] All right.

[01:13:08] Bye.

[01:13:09] Bye.

[01:13:16] Ben.

[01:13:16] Wife.

[01:13:17] Do you know where we are?

[01:13:18] It's been a few days.

[01:13:20] Well, we read Amos chapter three last time.

[01:13:24] Last time.

[01:13:24] Yes.

[01:13:25] They were the time that we read a chapter before.

[01:13:27] Whenever that was.

[01:13:28] Sure.

[01:13:28] Sure.

[01:13:29] Yeah.

[01:13:29] And God reminded the Israelites that he chose them.

[01:13:34] And we commented that we kind of wish that he just, you know, could we not be chosen?

[01:13:39] Could we?

[01:13:40] Could you not pick us?

[01:13:41] We don't want to be part of this.

[01:13:44] And because, because God's MO, so to speak, in the Old Testament is you don't worship me enough and I'm going to kill you.

[01:13:55] Pretty much like consistently.

[01:13:57] Perpetual and consistent.

[01:13:58] Yeah.

[01:13:58] Yeah.

[01:13:59] And even like if you do maybe repent, he still maybe will kill you.

[01:14:05] Because you're part of a crowd.

[01:14:06] You know, like you can't overcome the crowd effect because he just punishes willy nilly across the board.

[01:14:12] Or because you belong to a kingdom and your king sucks.

[01:14:15] Yeah.

[01:14:16] Yeah.

[01:14:16] Yeah.

[01:14:16] You can't win.

[01:14:17] No.

[01:14:18] God sucks.

[01:14:19] God's going to kill you.

[01:14:20] And you can't do anything about it.

[01:14:22] And it's just going to happen over and over and over and over again.

[01:14:24] But you're an object that belongs to him.

[01:14:26] He made you and you should ever be grateful and never think that you deserve a day of life.

[01:14:32] You should always be grateful that he allows you to live and expect that any second you might die.

[01:14:38] That seems to track so far.

[01:14:40] Yeah.

[01:14:40] Yeah.

[01:14:41] I mean, he has reasons.

[01:14:43] You don't worship him enough.

[01:14:45] It really all comes down to that, I think.

[01:14:47] Yeah.

[01:14:48] If you don't worship him enough, he's going to kill you.

[01:14:51] Because he's.

[01:14:51] And nobody apparently ever worships him enough.

[01:14:53] Capricious little prick.

[01:14:55] He really is.

[01:14:56] All right.

[01:14:56] So that was Amos chapter three.

[01:14:58] Sure as fuck was.

[01:14:59] Which means that today we're getting into.

[01:15:01] Amos chapter four.

[01:15:03] Before we get into it, I do want to say that we are still doing a weekly wrap up that'll

[01:15:07] be coming out on.

[01:15:09] Well, after we finish Amos chapter five in the Q&A.

[01:15:12] Yeah.

[01:15:12] We kind of fell behind.

[01:15:13] So this is a little weird this week.

[01:15:15] But there will be a weekly wrap up that encompasses everything.

[01:15:19] It's going to be more like a two week wrap up.

[01:15:21] But it's a week's worth of material.

[01:15:23] Right.

[01:15:24] Yeah.

[01:15:24] So it's a week's worth of material wrap up.

[01:15:28] But we have been really, really busy lately.

[01:15:30] And tired.

[01:15:31] And tired.

[01:15:33] Our schedules are just still in flux.

[01:15:35] And it makes it really hard.

[01:15:37] But we are not giving up on this project.

[01:15:39] And it is very important to us.

[01:15:41] And that's why we keep coming back just to do whatever we can in any minute that we can.

[01:15:45] Yeah.

[01:15:45] And I've kind of jumped off the asking for help train a little bit lately.

[01:15:50] But I am going to say this.

[01:15:51] That we really would love nothing more than to do this project full time.

[01:15:55] Mm-hmm.

[01:15:55] Mm-hmm.

[01:15:55] And there's only one way we're going to get there.

[01:15:58] And that's with your help.

[01:15:59] Right.

[01:15:59] So if you have the ability to give us $12 a year.

[01:16:03] Yeah.

[01:16:04] That's a dollar a month.

[01:16:06] Right?

[01:16:06] Yeah.

[01:16:07] There are levels at our Patreon as low as that.

[01:16:11] Every little bit helps.

[01:16:13] Don't think that $1 is too little.

[01:16:15] So head over to SacrilegiousDiscourse.com forward slash Patreon.

[01:16:19] And, you know, you can start helping us move toward what we're trying to do here.

[01:16:24] Right.

[01:16:25] And we do really, really appreciate that, guys.

[01:16:27] We do.

[01:16:27] So just to be clear.

[01:16:29] Thank you to our Patreons already.

[01:16:31] Yes.

[01:16:31] The people who support us now, you guys are absolutely incredible.

[01:16:34] So, all right.

[01:16:35] Are you ready to jump into Amos Chapter 4?

[01:16:38] Sure as fuck am.

[01:16:39] Let's do this.

[01:16:39] Okie dokie.

[01:16:47] All right.

[01:16:47] We're about to jump into Chapter 4.

[01:16:49] And it's a continuation from the last chapter.

[01:16:52] Okay.

[01:16:52] Yeah.

[01:16:53] And here's how it starts.

[01:16:54] I love this.

[01:16:55] Ready?

[01:16:56] Yeah.

[01:16:57] Hear this word, you cows of Bashan on Mount Samaria.

[01:17:03] You fucking cow.

[01:17:04] I would love to collect all the points where God, like, calls his people names.

[01:17:09] You pieces of shit.

[01:17:09] I'm like, Jesus Christ, this guy's an asshole.

[01:17:11] You utter trash.

[01:17:13] Right.

[01:17:13] You garbage.

[01:17:14] You're human.

[01:17:15] You worm.

[01:17:16] Just to bring it back out.

[01:17:18] My God.

[01:17:19] Oh, yeah.

[01:17:19] Hear this word, you cows of Bashan on Mount Samaria.

[01:17:23] You women who oppress the poor and crush the needy and say to your husbands, bring us some drinks.

[01:17:29] You women.

[01:17:30] Like, how are the women oppressing the poor and crushing the needy?

[01:17:34] They don't have any fucking rights hardly back then.

[01:17:38] Like, they don't hardly even acknowledge them as human beings.

[01:17:41] I don't know.

[01:17:42] I'm going to look into that.

[01:17:43] But I think it's less about the women and more like the men are doing wrong.

[01:17:48] The women are doing wrong.

[01:17:50] Everybody's doing wrong.

[01:17:51] We've talked about the priest before.

[01:17:52] Right.

[01:17:53] But like, okay, look, the women come across as like a convenient scapegoat, like 99% of the time in the Bible.

[01:17:59] Right.

[01:18:00] And moreover, like the men are the one making most of the decisions from what I can gather based on what we have read of the Bible.

[01:18:06] Yeah.

[01:18:06] Except for Esther when they had to come for her for help.

[01:18:08] Look, I'm not saying there are actually a lot of accounts that say that they're early, early, early on in biblical times that women were more prominent and it kind of diminished over time.

[01:18:17] But from what we've read in the Bible and from what we understand about the times that we're reading about, the women aren't necessarily big decision makers.

[01:18:26] Right.

[01:18:27] Right.

[01:18:27] And but yet they get thrown under the bus the majority of the time as opposed to the men.

[01:18:32] Because they are items.

[01:18:34] Right.

[01:18:35] Yeah.

[01:18:35] And they're a convenient scapegoat, because if you're talking to a bunch of men, you don't want to call them out directly.

[01:18:41] Right.

[01:18:41] You don't want to you don't want to piss them off.

[01:18:43] Right.

[01:18:43] So just throw the women under the bus.

[01:18:45] It's all right.

[01:18:45] Yeah.

[01:18:46] You know, nobody gets offended if you trash their wife.

[01:18:48] Yeah.

[01:18:49] Yeah.

[01:18:49] Of course, she's a whore.

[01:18:50] Whatever.

[01:18:50] It's obviously not my fault.

[01:18:52] Yeah.

[01:18:52] Yeah.

[01:18:52] Right.

[01:18:53] The sovereign Lord has sworn by his holiness.

[01:18:56] I swear on myself.

[01:18:58] That's literally what that said.

[01:19:01] He swears on himself and himself.

[01:19:04] He believes himself.

[01:19:05] Yeah.

[01:19:06] I swear to myself.

[01:19:07] Jeez.

[01:19:08] I swear on my own soul to my soul.

[01:19:11] Yeah.

[01:19:11] Okay.

[01:19:12] The time will surely come, he says, when you will be taken away with hooks.

[01:19:17] The last of you with fish hooks.

[01:19:20] You will each go straight out through breaches in the wall and you will be cast out toward Harmon, declares the Lord.

[01:19:28] Okay.

[01:19:28] That's very specific.

[01:19:29] Right?

[01:19:30] Yeah.

[01:19:30] I don't know.

[01:19:31] I'll have to look up what Harmon is.

[01:19:32] I thought.

[01:19:33] I don't know.

[01:19:33] I don't want to speak out of hand here.

[01:19:35] But yeah.

[01:19:36] I thought it was a fishing place.

[01:19:39] Like a fishing, you know, whatever.

[01:19:41] Like they did a lot of fishing there.

[01:19:42] I feel like it came up for some point.

[01:19:44] Yeah.

[01:19:44] I feel like I've heard the word before, but I don't know.

[01:19:47] Right.

[01:19:48] I'm not going to say I know that without, with the fanativeness there.

[01:19:51] We will address it in our Q&A.

[01:19:53] Sure.

[01:19:53] What the fuck is Harmon?

[01:19:54] Right.

[01:19:55] And what's up with these fish hooks?

[01:19:55] And why are they going there with fish hooks through a wall?

[01:19:58] Yeah.

[01:19:58] Yeah.

[01:19:59] All right.

[01:19:59] So now we're moving on.

[01:20:01] That continuation from the last chapter is over.

[01:20:03] Okay.

[01:20:04] Yeah.

[01:20:04] Now we're onto our own thing.

[01:20:06] Go to Bethel and sin.

[01:20:08] Go to Gilgal and sin yet more.

[01:20:10] Bring your sacrifices every morning.

[01:20:12] Your tithes every three years.

[01:20:14] He's being very sarcastic here.

[01:20:16] I gathered.

[01:20:16] Yeah.

[01:20:16] Like, I'm trying to convey that with my tone.

[01:20:18] Uh-huh.

[01:20:19] But he's like, sure, go ahead.

[01:20:20] Do what the fuck ever.

[01:20:21] Why don't you even do worse?

[01:20:23] Go ahead.

[01:20:23] Okay.

[01:20:24] Burn leavened bread as a thank you offering and brag about your free will offerings.

[01:20:28] Boast about them, you Israelites, for this is what you love to do, declares the sovereign Lord.

[01:20:34] Wow.

[01:20:35] I gave you empty stomachs in every city and lack of bread in every town, yet you have not returned to me.

[01:20:40] I punched you in the fucking eye and you don't want me.

[01:20:43] I don't understand it.

[01:20:45] I don't think, you know, for being a god, he distinctly lacks an understanding of human nature.

[01:20:53] Of human psychology.

[01:20:55] Yeah.

[01:20:55] Like, that's not how, you don't hurt people and then expect them to love you.

[01:21:00] He's the abusive boyfriend who's pissed off that his girlfriend left him and he goes after her with a bat and is bashing her in with the bat, screaming at her,

[01:21:11] Why won't you come back to me?

[01:21:14] But he also doesn't even do it directly.

[01:21:15] He does it through a fucking prophet.

[01:21:17] Yeah.

[01:21:17] Like, the prophets are the ones telling them that he's killing them.

[01:21:19] Yeah.

[01:21:19] And then they're like, well, fuck him.

[01:21:22] Right?

[01:21:22] Yeah.

[01:21:22] And I mean, I kind of would be too.

[01:21:24] Like, I don't, who are you to tell me that this guy is an asshole to me because I'm not doing it quite right?

[01:21:31] What the fuck, man?

[01:21:32] Yeah.

[01:21:33] I don't like the condoning of abuse here.

[01:21:37] No.

[01:21:37] Yeah.

[01:21:37] This book is very victim blamey.

[01:21:40] Yeah.

[01:21:41] No, it is.

[01:21:41] Does not like.

[01:21:43] Right.

[01:21:43] All right.

[01:21:44] So I fucked you up and yet you still have not returned to me, declares the Lord.

[01:21:48] I also withheld rain from you when the harvest was still three months away.

[01:21:52] I mean, I tried to kill you.

[01:21:54] Listen to all these things I did to torture and punish you.

[01:21:56] Right.

[01:21:56] And you still don't love me.

[01:21:58] Jesus.

[01:21:58] I don't understand.

[01:21:58] What the fuck's wrong with you?

[01:22:00] Right?

[01:22:00] Yeah.

[01:22:01] I sent rain on one town but withheld it from another.

[01:22:04] I'm a cruel piece of shit.

[01:22:05] Why won't you love me?

[01:22:07] But what did that one town do?

[01:22:08] Did they, I mean, were they good?

[01:22:10] One field had rain, another had none and dried up.

[01:22:13] People staggered from town to town for water but did not get enough to drink.

[01:22:17] Yet you have not returned to me, declares the Lord.

[01:22:19] I, okay, again.

[01:22:21] What about this the wrong way, man?

[01:22:23] Correct.

[01:22:23] Yeah.

[01:22:23] That is correct.

[01:22:24] Mm-hmm.

[01:22:25] Mm-hmm.

[01:22:25] Sounds to me like they made the right choice, personally.

[01:22:27] You know?

[01:22:28] If shit's gonna happen to them either way, thanks, I'll strike out on my own.

[01:22:33] Right.

[01:22:33] Yeah.

[01:22:34] Many times I struck your gardens and vineyards, destroying them with blight and mildew.

[01:22:40] Locusts devoured your fig and olive trees, yet you have not returned to me, declares

[01:22:44] the Lord.

[01:22:44] I sent plagues among you as I did to Egypt.

[01:22:47] I killed your young men with the sword, along with your captured horses.

[01:22:52] I filled your nostrils with the stench of your camps, yet you have not returned to me,

[01:22:57] to close the Lord.

[01:22:57] How many times do you have to kill, torture, maim, starve?

[01:23:01] Drown.

[01:23:02] Drought.

[01:23:02] Yeah.

[01:23:03] I mean, how many times do you have to do that and then have them not return before you

[01:23:06] start questioning your own actions?

[01:23:08] Well, God can't do anything wrong.

[01:23:10] No, but I'm asking.

[01:23:12] Yeah.

[01:23:12] You know, like, it's a legitimate question.

[01:23:14] If you have created something in your own image and they're not listening to you, or rather,

[01:23:19] you're not talking to them, whatever the case is, when do you examine yourself in that?

[01:23:26] And this God is not perfect, let's be honest.

[01:23:28] Yeah.

[01:23:28] Right?

[01:23:29] Like, this God is definitely flawed.

[01:23:31] There are, there are, he does not, whatever.

[01:23:35] It's just, it's not, he's not good.

[01:23:37] He's not good and he's, he needs to not, I don't know.

[01:23:43] It's just, it's terrible.

[01:23:45] Like, the things that he claims to take credit for in the name of fixing his people is horrible.

[01:23:52] Like, he can justify mass murder to fix his people.

[01:23:57] Yeah.

[01:23:58] And that's just supposed to be okay to us.

[01:24:00] It's sure, it's fine.

[01:24:01] Yeah.

[01:24:02] Whatever.

[01:24:02] Okay.

[01:24:03] I overthrew some of you as I overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

[01:24:07] And by overthrew, I mean, you know, turned over and killed.

[01:24:10] Yeah, like Sodom and Gomorrah got fucking demolished.

[01:24:13] Yeah.

[01:24:13] That's not just overturned.

[01:24:15] Yeah.

[01:24:15] Right?

[01:24:15] Okay.

[01:24:16] You were like a burning stick snatched from the fire, yet you have not returned to me, declares the Lord.

[01:24:23] Therefore, this is what I will do to you, Israel.

[01:24:25] Oh, okay.

[01:24:26] It's going to be worse.

[01:24:27] More punishment, yes.

[01:24:28] Get ready for this.

[01:24:29] Yeah.

[01:24:30] And because I will do this to you, Israel, prepare to meet your God.

[01:24:35] Oh, damn.

[01:24:36] That's, I mean.

[01:24:37] Okay.

[01:24:38] That's not over the top.

[01:24:39] I guess you're going to show yourself after you, you know, torture, punish, kill, maim.

[01:24:43] Right.

[01:24:43] Starve.

[01:24:44] Drown in drought.

[01:24:45] Right, yeah.

[01:24:46] He who forms the mountains, who creates the wind, and who reveals his thoughts to mankind,

[01:24:52] who turns dawn to darkness and treads on the heights of the earth, the Lord God Almighty is his name.

[01:24:58] The end.

[01:25:00] Okay.

[01:25:01] Okay.

[01:25:02] I'm going to get you.

[01:25:03] He turns dawn to darkness.

[01:25:04] That's not just science.

[01:25:06] No.

[01:25:06] The sun didn't go down.

[01:25:07] Right.

[01:25:07] As it always does.

[01:25:08] Right, yeah.

[01:25:09] Yeah, and he treads on the highest mountains.

[01:25:10] Maybe that's why you're not supposed to have, like, altars up there on the high places.

[01:25:14] That's his, like, stomping ground.

[01:25:17] He's like, stay the fuck away from me.

[01:25:19] I'm trying to skip along.

[01:25:21] Yeah.

[01:25:21] I'm trying to do leapfrog.

[01:25:23] God damn it.

[01:25:27] This is a lot of punishment that he just, he constantly tells them how shitty they are.

[01:25:35] Yeah.

[01:25:36] Calls them names.

[01:25:37] Yeah.

[01:25:37] And punishes them in, like, the absolute worst ways and then says, why don't you love me?

[01:25:44] I would think that a God who knows everything, omniscient, you know?

[01:25:49] Yeah, right.

[01:25:50] Would understand psychology and would understand basic human decency.

[01:25:54] And we've talked about that before, right?

[01:25:56] Like, and this is the phrase is, these are the things I've heard from people who are, you know, Christian or whatever.

[01:26:04] They're like, well, different errors require different handling with regard to, that's why God changed.

[01:26:10] And he couldn't, you know.

[01:26:12] And he couldn't teach them better.

[01:26:14] Right.

[01:26:14] He allowed them to be the way.

[01:26:16] But I don't, I don't think that human nature has really changed dramatically even in two, three thousand years.

[01:26:22] Like, the essential way that a human operates and responds to pain and suffering and things like that.

[01:26:28] I was going to say, torture is torture regardless what century.

[01:26:30] Right, right.

[01:26:30] Yeah, you peel my skin off.

[01:26:32] I don't care if it's the medieval times.

[01:26:34] I don't care if it's the BC times.

[01:26:36] That shit gonna hurt.

[01:26:37] Right, yeah.

[01:26:39] Granted, we know a lot more than people three thousand years ago, two thousand years ago, one thousand years ago.

[01:26:43] You know, but we respond to punishment the same, essentially the same way.

[01:26:50] Yeah.

[01:26:50] You know, and so I just.

[01:26:52] You know what?

[01:26:53] Psychology has not changed.

[01:26:55] Right.

[01:26:55] The culture maybe has changed.

[01:26:57] Definitely.

[01:26:58] But psychology has not changed.

[01:26:59] Their willingness to accept punishment as a.

[01:27:03] That may have changed, but it didn't have to.

[01:27:05] Right.

[01:27:05] God could have told them that it was okay to be healthier mentally.

[01:27:11] Right.

[01:27:11] Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[01:27:12] He could have been like, hey, I really want to punish you, but that's on me.

[01:27:17] So why don't I like get one of my horn and speakers?

[01:27:21] Right.

[01:27:21] And microphone.

[01:27:23] And let's sit down and hash this out.

[01:27:25] Right.

[01:27:25] Like, I feel like I've been a really shitty parent.

[01:27:28] And what let's let's like group share this like group thought, you know, what are some ideas?

[01:27:33] Sure.

[01:27:34] What are some ways we can do this better?

[01:27:35] Yeah.

[01:27:36] To where you give me what I need, which is, you know, pure adulation and fear at all times.

[01:27:42] And I give you what you need, which is to be allowed to live without being in constant fear.

[01:27:48] I mean, to be fair to God, they didn't have self-help sections back then.

[01:27:52] But God did.

[01:27:54] Well, but I mean, no, God, God had his own thoughts right now.

[01:27:58] He's omniscient.

[01:27:59] He had access to the self-help sections that would be because I've been told he's omni-temporal as well.

[01:28:07] Sure.

[01:28:08] Sure.

[01:28:08] I guess if we were going to take that as the way of things.

[01:28:12] I'm just playing the game that I was given.

[01:28:13] The game I was given is that he knows all and is outside of time.

[01:28:18] Therefore, he has access to every self-help section that has ever existed and will ever exist.

[01:28:24] Right.

[01:28:24] So he knows psychology and he's choosing not to do it.

[01:28:28] Therefore, he's a piece of shit.

[01:28:30] Yeah.

[01:28:31] Sorry.

[01:28:32] That's the way that goes.

[01:28:33] And if he doesn't know psychology, he's kind of a shit God.

[01:28:35] If he doesn't know psychology, then he's not omni-temporal and you misspelled the rules of the game.

[01:28:42] Right.

[01:28:42] Right.

[01:28:42] Like, I'm just trying to play by your rules, guys.

[01:28:45] Yeah.

[01:28:46] So anyway, that was a bunch of shit.

[01:28:48] It sure was.

[01:28:49] This God sucks, as usual.

[01:28:50] He does.

[01:28:51] He does.

[01:28:51] All right.

[01:28:52] Well, that was Amos chapter four.

[01:28:54] Sure as fuck was.

[01:28:55] And we will be back tomorrow, for sure, with...

[01:29:00] Amos chapter five.

[01:29:01] All right.

[01:29:02] We'll see you then.

[01:29:03] Bye.

[01:29:09] Wife.

[01:29:10] Do you know where we are?

[01:29:12] Because we just recorded an episode.

[01:29:15] We just got done reading Amos chapter four.

[01:29:18] We sure as fuck did.

[01:29:18] And in that episode, there was more of the same, basically.

[01:29:23] Let's see.

[01:29:24] God is pissed off at the Israelites and he's going to kill them real bad because they are

[01:29:29] worshiping badly and they don't do what he wants them to do.

[01:29:32] So he's going to bring blight, drought, famine, death, you know, all the things.

[01:29:38] And he called the women cows.

[01:29:39] And he was skipping across the top of mountains.

[01:29:41] Yes.

[01:29:42] So there was that.

[01:29:43] Tra-la-la.

[01:29:44] Tra-la-la.

[01:29:46] But yeah, it's just more of the same.

[01:29:49] It is.

[01:29:49] It's more...

[01:29:50] God is...

[01:29:52] Loves, apparently, to kill people.

[01:29:54] Like, that is just his thing.

[01:29:56] Still.

[01:29:56] Still.

[01:29:57] And always.

[01:29:58] So that was Amos chapter four.

[01:30:01] Mm-hmm.

[01:30:01] Which means that today we're getting into...

[01:30:03] Amos chapter five.

[01:30:13] All righty, let's jump into Amos chapter five.

[01:30:16] All right.

[01:30:17] Hear this word, Israel.

[01:30:19] I'm going to...

[01:30:19] I guess I got to hear it.

[01:30:21] This lament I take up concerning you.

[01:30:23] A lament, huh?

[01:30:24] Ya fuckers.

[01:30:25] Okay.

[01:30:26] He's about to cry at how much they suck.

[01:30:29] Yeah.

[01:30:29] Okay.

[01:30:31] Fallen is virgin Israel, never to rise again, deserted in her own land with no one to lift

[01:30:38] her up.

[01:30:40] So God's not going to lift him up?

[01:30:41] This is what the Sovereign Lord says to Israel.

[01:30:43] Okay.

[01:30:45] Your city that marches out a thousand strong will have only a hundred left.

[01:30:51] Your town that marches out a hundred strong will have only ten left.

[01:30:55] So basically everybody but like one-tenth of whoever it is is going to die?

[01:31:00] Yeah.

[01:31:00] Okay.

[01:31:01] That's math.

[01:31:01] Got it.

[01:31:01] That's good solid math.

[01:31:02] Okay.

[01:31:03] Mm-hmm.

[01:31:04] This is what the Sovereign Lord says to Israel.

[01:31:06] Okay.

[01:31:07] Seek me and live.

[01:31:08] Do not seek Bethel.

[01:31:10] Do not go to Gilgal.

[01:31:11] Do not journey to Beersheba.

[01:31:13] Because they worship the wrong Yahweh.

[01:31:16] And you should know this because that guy down the street is telling you so.

[01:31:19] Yeah.

[01:31:20] Don't listen to the other five prophets.

[01:31:21] Just this one.

[01:31:23] For Gilgal will surely go into exile and Bethel will be reduced to nothing.

[01:31:31] Seek the Lord and live or he will sweep through the tribes of Joseph like a fucking fire.

[01:31:38] Wow.

[01:31:39] Yeah.

[01:31:40] Worship me or die.

[01:31:41] Why aren't you choosing me?

[01:31:42] That's pretty much the ultimatum he always gives.

[01:31:45] Yeah.

[01:31:45] It will devour them and Bethel will have no one to quench it.

[01:31:49] There are those who turn justice into bitterness and cast righteousness to the ground.

[01:31:55] He who made the Pleiades and Orion, who turns midnight into dawn and darkens day into night,

[01:32:02] who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out over the face of the land.

[01:32:08] The Lord is his name.

[01:32:09] I wonder.

[01:32:11] And I have to ask because they're mentioned here.

[01:32:13] But where did the names like Orion and Pleiades come from?

[01:32:17] Because I thought those were more like Greek and Roman type things.

[01:32:20] Well, I mean, the Bible was translated into a Greek Vulcan.

[01:32:25] No, I get it.

[01:32:26] I get it.

[01:32:26] But that's an interesting like injection into the Bible there.

[01:32:29] Right?

[01:32:30] Yeah.

[01:32:30] Like that would almost indicate that God is referencing God because this is the word of God.

[01:32:35] Yeah.

[01:32:35] Is referencing other gods.

[01:32:37] Maybe.

[01:32:38] Yeah.

[01:32:38] In a weird roundabout way.

[01:32:40] In a weird roundabout way.

[01:32:41] But that was an interesting little.

[01:32:42] I thought that too.

[01:32:43] I just, I, that's something I would want to know more about.

[01:32:47] Okay.

[01:32:48] So I'm curious about that.

[01:32:50] I'm curious what it says in other translations.

[01:32:52] And I'm curious about the origins of the names of the constellations too.

[01:32:56] Because I, you know, just sitting here as we're reading through the Bible,

[01:32:59] I didn't come prepared to know about the constellations.

[01:33:02] So I'm definitely interested.

[01:33:04] Sure.

[01:33:04] Okay.

[01:33:05] All right.

[01:33:06] I said Greek Vulgate, but I think that's wrong.

[01:33:10] What's the Latin?

[01:33:11] It's Latin Vulgate.

[01:33:12] Yeah.

[01:33:12] Yeah.

[01:33:12] It's the Greek Septuagint.

[01:33:14] Septuagint.

[01:33:14] There you go.

[01:33:15] Okay.

[01:33:15] I just wanted to correct myself because I said the wrong thing.

[01:33:18] Yeah.

[01:33:19] Didn't want to be misleading.

[01:33:20] Right.

[01:33:21] With a blinding flash, he destroys the stronghold and brings the fortified city to ruin.

[01:33:28] There are those who hate the ones, the one who upholds justice in court and detest the

[01:33:33] one who tells the truth.

[01:33:35] There are those who hate me.

[01:33:36] Okay.

[01:33:37] Yeah.

[01:33:37] I mean, but he's not actually telling them.

[01:33:39] He's telling somebody else who's then telling them that thing that sort of.

[01:33:43] Also, I think we have different understandings of the word justice, my friend.

[01:33:47] Right.

[01:33:47] Yeah.

[01:33:47] You levy a straw tax on the poor and impose a tax on their grain.

[01:33:53] Therefore, though you have built stone mansions, you will not live in them.

[01:33:56] Though you have planted lush vineyards, you will not drink their wine.

[01:34:00] For I know how many are your offenses and how great are your sins.

[01:34:06] There are those who oppress the innocent and take bribes and deprive the poor of justice

[01:34:11] in the courts.

[01:34:12] Therefore, the prudent keep quiet in such times for the times are evil.

[01:34:19] It's, you know, in society, the poor and the oppressed tend to rise up every now and

[01:34:27] again.

[01:34:27] They get tired of getting stepped on.

[01:34:29] Right.

[01:34:29] Right.

[01:34:29] So this feels a little bit like because we had discussed this earlier at some point when

[01:34:36] we were talking about the older Old Testament, like when we were in Deuteronomy and Leviticus

[01:34:41] and all this kind of stuff, they defended the poor quite a bit back then.

[01:34:45] Right.

[01:34:46] And it ended like that.

[01:34:48] That thing ended in place of, you know, the the priests who take all the things from them

[01:34:53] and all whatever.

[01:34:53] And it feels like because this is an older book of the Bible.

[01:34:57] Right.

[01:34:58] Like it feels like this is that struggle between we're supposed to take care of the poor versus

[01:35:03] the priestly types are taking too much.

[01:35:07] And right.

[01:35:08] And yes, that was always part of that that tension that was there.

[01:35:12] But also there was the converse of that, which is, well, if you're poor, you must have done

[01:35:19] something to deserve it.

[01:35:20] And people that are have the money surely deserve it.

[01:35:24] Well, and yeah, like that there's the what's the I forget what it called the greed.

[01:35:30] Like some of the Christians ascribe to the fact that God makes them rich.

[01:35:35] Right.

[01:35:35] And I forget what they call it.

[01:35:37] There's a whole name for it.

[01:35:38] But I can't remember what it's called at the moment.

[01:35:40] And there's a lot of talk in the older Bible where that does not mesh up at all.

[01:35:46] You know, and it just it's interesting to me how people interpret what they want out of

[01:35:52] this text to mean whatever the fuck they want it to mean.

[01:35:55] Yeah.

[01:35:55] So that's all.

[01:35:57] Not good.

[01:35:57] No.

[01:35:58] Yeah.

[01:35:59] Speaking of which, seek good, not evil, that you may live.

[01:36:04] Okay.

[01:36:04] Then the Lord God Almighty will be with you just as you say he is.

[01:36:08] Good and evil is kind of subjective terminology there.

[01:36:11] It's also very black and white, lacking in any nuance.

[01:36:14] Right.

[01:36:14] But I'm saying like the ideas of what good and evil embody.

[01:36:18] Those ideas are very subjective while they're referring to it in a very black and white manner.

[01:36:22] Right.

[01:36:23] Like let's talk about an 11 year old child who is raped, being forced to carry the rapist's

[01:36:31] child because the 11 year old child gets pregnant from it.

[01:36:34] Right.

[01:36:35] And everybody thinks that the abortion in that case would still be evil.

[01:36:39] Not everybody.

[01:36:40] But yes, the people that.

[01:36:41] The Christians.

[01:36:42] Right.

[01:36:42] Yeah.

[01:36:43] Or, you know, the Christians that meaner ones.

[01:36:46] Right.

[01:36:46] Right.

[01:36:46] And, you know, that makes me think of that example because there's a prime example of

[01:36:54] not agreeing on the meaning of good and evil.

[01:36:58] Yeah.

[01:36:59] Among many other.

[01:37:00] Sure.

[01:37:00] Versions.

[01:37:01] And very, you know, like the problem with a lot of Christians is that these ideas of good

[01:37:07] and evil are nuanced and you have to take them.

[01:37:10] Case by case.

[01:37:11] Case by case.

[01:37:12] Yeah.

[01:37:12] Right.

[01:37:13] It's not a matter of good versus evil.

[01:37:15] That is not a thing that exists.

[01:37:16] Right.

[01:37:17] So I just really hate that idea.

[01:37:20] I will say that I don't mind if we have a discussion about arguing over good for the individual

[01:37:29] versus good for the society, you know.

[01:37:32] Right.

[01:37:32] But even that is going to require more nuance.

[01:37:36] I think the truth is that most conversations require nuance and they require digging into it

[01:37:41] to find out what the actual circumstances are.

[01:37:44] And everybody, not everybody, a lot of people in this world now and then want easy answers.

[01:37:51] They don't want to have to think about these things.

[01:37:53] Right.

[01:37:54] And God gives them every reason not to have to think about these things.

[01:37:57] Right.

[01:37:58] God in the Bible gives these very black and white, you know, just across the board answers

[01:38:02] for everything.

[01:38:03] And it also allows you to escape from possibly making the wrong decision.

[01:38:08] Yeah.

[01:38:09] Because, well, I didn't make that wrong decision.

[01:38:11] I'm just following God's word and it's not mine to understand.

[01:38:14] Right.

[01:38:15] So I'm sure it's part of God's plan.

[01:38:17] Must be.

[01:38:18] Yeah.

[01:38:18] I mean, whatever.

[01:38:19] Not my fault.

[01:38:20] Right.

[01:38:20] Okay, bitch.

[01:38:23] Hate evil, love good.

[01:38:25] Maintain justice in the courts.

[01:38:27] Perhaps the Lord God Almighty will have mercy on the remnant of Joseph.

[01:38:32] Perhaps.

[01:38:32] Perhaps.

[01:38:33] But, you know, maybe not, though.

[01:38:34] Right.

[01:38:35] Therefore, this is what the Lord, the Lord God Almighty says.

[01:38:39] The Lord, the Lord God Almighty says.

[01:38:41] Laughty, laughty, laughty.

[01:38:42] Yeah.

[01:38:43] There will be wailing in all the streets and cries of anguish in every public square.

[01:38:48] The farmers will be summoned to weep and the mourners to wail.

[01:38:54] Wail.

[01:38:55] There will be wailing in all the vineyards, for I will pass through your midst, says the

[01:39:00] Lord.

[01:39:01] Yeah.

[01:39:01] Yeah.

[01:39:02] Whoa!

[01:39:03] To you who long for the day of the Lord.

[01:39:06] Oh, yeah.

[01:39:06] Okay.

[01:39:07] Why do you long for the day of the Lord?

[01:39:10] I, what is, did we decide what the day of the Lord is?

[01:39:14] Isn't that like the time when he's gonna like bring judgment against all of humanity or something

[01:39:18] like that?

[01:39:18] Yeah.

[01:39:18] So these are like the people today that are looking forward to the rapture, right?

[01:39:23] Yeah.

[01:39:23] But he's like, but why though?

[01:39:25] Right.

[01:39:25] That day, he says, will be a darkness, not light.

[01:39:29] It will be as though a man fled from a lion only to meet a bear, as though he entered his

[01:39:36] house and rested his hand on the wall only to have a snake bite him.

[01:39:41] Hmm.

[01:39:41] Will not the day of the Lord be darkness, not light, pitch dark without a ray of brightness?

[01:39:49] I don't know.

[01:39:49] Will it?

[01:39:50] I hate, I despise your religious festivals.

[01:39:54] Your assemblies are a stench to me.

[01:39:57] Huh.

[01:39:57] Even though you bring me burnt offerings and grain offerings, I will not accept them.

[01:40:02] Oh, okay.

[01:40:03] Because they're-

[01:40:03] Well, I thought that he was the one that was in charge of making all these ceremonies and

[01:40:06] festivals happen.

[01:40:07] But he's saying that you're doing them-

[01:40:09] Wrong.

[01:40:10] You're going through the motions instead of with feeling.

[01:40:13] Okay.

[01:40:14] All right.

[01:40:14] Like, you're letting the actions describe you as a person, but your thoughts and your

[01:40:22] other actions, not on Sundays, your Monday through Saturday actions-

[01:40:27] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:40:27] Prove that you are not correct.

[01:40:30] Got it.

[01:40:31] Though you bring choice fellowship offerings, I will have no regard for them.

[01:40:36] I will have no pumpkins for them.

[01:40:40] Anyway, away with the noise of your songs.

[01:40:43] I will not listen to the music of your harps.

[01:40:46] Fuck those harps.

[01:40:47] Isn't it questionable whether or not God likes music in the first place?

[01:40:51] I hate music, except for when I love it, says God.

[01:40:54] I'm just saying.

[01:40:55] Yeah, I don't know.

[01:40:56] I thought we had discussed that before, where it's like, does God allow for song?

[01:40:59] Does God-

[01:41:00] Sometimes.

[01:41:00] You know.

[01:41:01] Sometimes.

[01:41:01] Just depends.

[01:41:02] Right.

[01:41:03] But let justice roll on like a river.

[01:41:06] Righteousness like a never failing stream.

[01:41:08] Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings 40 years in the wilderness, people of Israel?

[01:41:14] You have lifted up the shrine of your king, the pedestal of your stars, or I'm sorry, the

[01:41:20] pedestal of your idols, the star of your God, which you made for yourselves.

[01:41:26] Oh, that's an interesting question.

[01:41:29] He says, did you bring me sacrifices and offerings 40 years in the wilderness?

[01:41:33] He's like, you didn't have to then because you were following me.

[01:41:38] Right.

[01:41:39] And even though I was mad at you, I wasn't like, I was still there with you.

[01:41:43] Right.

[01:41:44] You know, like I didn't require this of you.

[01:41:46] But now you're here with an easy life in the city, whatever, you know, you're not traveling.

[01:41:53] Yeah.

[01:41:53] And you have like, now I'm asking you to do something else instead, instead of traveling

[01:41:57] with me, I am asking you to make the sacrifices and you're not doing it right.

[01:42:05] Right.

[01:42:05] Right.

[01:42:06] Yeah.

[01:42:07] Yeah.

[01:42:08] It's just interesting.

[01:42:09] Yeah.

[01:42:09] I don't know.

[01:42:10] I'm trying to think that through as we're sitting here talking, but he wasn't real happy

[01:42:15] with them while they were in the wilderness.

[01:42:17] No, no.

[01:42:17] And that's partly why they were there for 40 years.

[01:42:19] Right.

[01:42:20] But he seems even less enthralled with them now that they're like going through these motions

[01:42:26] in the city, even though they are doing what they have been asked to do, I guess.

[01:42:30] Right.

[01:42:31] Just not with meaning.

[01:42:32] But I don't know that they had meaning back when they were following Moses.

[01:42:35] They were, I mean, he went up to the mountain to talk to God and they came in Moses came down

[01:42:40] and they were worshiping the fucking golden calf.

[01:42:42] Right.

[01:42:43] Right.

[01:42:43] That was the thing.

[01:42:43] Right.

[01:42:44] So, I mean, it was happening all along.

[01:42:46] Like there was never a point where they weren't worshiping wrong.

[01:42:49] Yeah.

[01:42:50] That's true.

[01:42:51] That is true.

[01:42:52] It's just interesting.

[01:42:53] Yeah.

[01:42:53] You know, and I think it's a convenient way to keep people in check.

[01:42:57] Right.

[01:42:57] It's not, it's not about whether they were worshiping right or wrong, doing, doing right

[01:43:02] or wrong.

[01:43:02] It's just, if you keep people in constant fear of something, then you have some sort

[01:43:07] of a motivating factor to keep them in line with regard to society, with regard to laws,

[01:43:13] with regard to what you want them.

[01:43:15] Like you can control them at that point.

[01:43:17] Never not be afraid.

[01:43:19] Right.

[01:43:19] I mean, well, yeah.

[01:43:20] But I think that's the general mantra of people in charge.

[01:43:24] Never not have your people not be afraid.

[01:43:27] Yeah.

[01:43:27] Right.

[01:43:27] Like they always need to be scared of something because then you can control their actions.

[01:43:32] Yeah.

[01:43:33] And, and remind them how much they suck all the time so that they never feel like going

[01:43:39] elsewhere because they, they suck.

[01:43:41] And that very much applies even still today.

[01:43:43] Yeah.

[01:43:43] Yeah.

[01:43:45] Therefore, I will send you into exile beyond Damascus, says the Lord, whose name is God

[01:43:50] Almighty.

[01:43:51] The end.

[01:43:51] Is it God Almighty?

[01:43:52] Okay.

[01:43:53] Yeah.

[01:43:53] And there's more exile and, and, and wonderful shit.

[01:43:57] Yeah.

[01:43:57] I guess.

[01:43:58] Yay.

[01:43:58] Love it.

[01:44:00] He's so awesome in no way whatsoever.

[01:44:03] Right.

[01:44:04] Right.

[01:44:04] Right.

[01:44:06] I, uh, I don't, I don't like this book because it's just like, it's all God punishing people.

[01:44:14] Yeah.

[01:44:14] It's all.

[01:44:15] But really, it's not even all God punishing people is God talking about punishing people.

[01:44:19] Yeah.

[01:44:20] Right.

[01:44:20] Nothing is happening.

[01:44:22] He's just like, I hate you.

[01:44:23] I hate you.

[01:44:24] I'm going to punch you in the eye.

[01:44:25] I hate you.

[01:44:26] Right.

[01:44:27] Yeah.

[01:44:27] It's, it's not great.

[01:44:29] I mean, it, and it is more of the same, but it's all just kind of like one after another

[01:44:34] after another, right?

[01:44:35] Exactly.

[01:44:36] Yeah.

[01:44:36] Like this is just like punishment, punishment, punishment, punishment, punishment.

[01:44:39] And you should probably lick my boots too.

[01:44:41] Right.

[01:44:42] You know, I thought you were going to say lick my balls.

[01:44:47] Sorry, go on.

[01:44:48] No, that was all I really had.

[01:44:49] It was just, I, I, I don't like this.

[01:44:52] I, this whole aspect of what the God of the Bible is, is just kind of wrong and disturbing

[01:44:58] in my mind.

[01:44:58] Yeah.

[01:44:59] So.

[01:44:59] Does not like it.

[01:45:00] I don't appreciate it.

[01:45:01] Me neither.

[01:45:02] Anyway, that was Amos chapter five.

[01:45:05] Sure as fuck was.

[01:45:06] Which means that I will be getting out the, oh, no, we have to do the Q and a, right?

[01:45:11] So we're going to be doing, it won't be on a Saturday.

[01:45:14] So it's a Q and a, not on Saturday.

[01:45:17] And then after we get that finished up, I will be doing a weekly wrap up, but somewhere in

[01:45:25] there, we'll also have a special episode because we do our weekly discord on Wednesdays

[01:45:30] at 10, 8, 10 PM Eastern time.

[01:45:33] And if you haven't joined us on discord yet, you should do it now.

[01:45:36] Click on the link down on the show notes and head over there to join us for the live at

[01:45:40] 10 PM Eastern on discord.

[01:45:42] Yes.

[01:45:43] And that being said, we will see you next time.

[01:45:45] Bye.

[01:45:52] Wife.

[01:45:53] We're back.

[01:45:54] We are.

[01:45:55] We are.

[01:45:56] This is, this is long overdue.

[01:45:58] It is.

[01:45:58] We're doing a Q and a, not on Saturday, sometime in the middle of the week.

[01:46:03] Not even in the right fucking week.

[01:46:04] No, it's later.

[01:46:06] Yeah.

[01:46:07] So we, we, well, no, we don't suck.

[01:46:10] American voters suck.

[01:46:12] And we had to do some warning and some sadness and some commiserating.

[01:46:17] Yes.

[01:46:17] And also, I mean, we suck a little bit because our schedules, what threw it off in the first

[01:46:21] place.

[01:46:22] Yes, it is.

[01:46:22] It is.

[01:46:23] So, but we are getting it done and we're, we're doing it now.

[01:46:27] Yeah.

[01:46:27] So it's, it's here that it may, we made it.

[01:46:30] Amos Q and a for chapters one through five.

[01:46:33] All right, let's do this.

[01:46:34] Okie dokie.

[01:46:42] All right.

[01:46:42] Let's cover us some questions.

[01:46:45] Okay.

[01:46:45] From Amos chapters one through five.

[01:46:48] Sounds like a plan.

[01:46:49] Is it?

[01:46:49] I mean, it seems to be.

[01:46:51] Yeah.

[01:46:52] All right.

[01:46:52] So guess what?

[01:46:53] What?

[01:46:54] Amos means in Hebrew, a burden.

[01:46:57] He's a fucking burden.

[01:46:58] Either that or the information he has is a burden.

[01:47:03] Yeah.

[01:47:03] Or it means absolutely nothing.

[01:47:05] And that's just, you know.

[01:47:06] Right.

[01:47:06] Who knows?

[01:47:07] Maybe his parents were just assholes and named him a burden.

[01:47:09] Could be.

[01:47:10] Yeah.

[01:47:10] What a burden.

[01:47:12] Yeah.

[01:47:13] Yeah.

[01:47:13] All right.

[01:47:14] So let us start with verse one of chapter one.

[01:47:19] Okay.

[01:47:19] Yeah.

[01:47:19] The words of Amos, one of the shepherds of Tekoa.

[01:47:22] Tekoa, the vision he saw concerning Israel two years before the earthquake when Uzariah

[01:47:27] was king of Judah and Jeroboam, son of Jehoash, was king of Israel.

[01:47:34] Okay.

[01:47:34] Remember?

[01:47:35] We were like, the fuck.

[01:47:35] I remember the intro to the intro.

[01:47:37] Yeah.

[01:47:37] Right?

[01:47:38] Yeah.

[01:47:38] So, okay.

[01:47:39] Dude was a shepherd, a sheep raiser of Tekoa.

[01:47:43] Okay.

[01:47:43] Which is a small town of Judah, six miles southeast from Bethlehem.

[01:47:47] Okay.

[01:47:47] Okay.

[01:47:48] Twelve miles from Jerusalem on the borders of the great desert.

[01:47:54] Got it.

[01:47:55] Sure.

[01:47:55] It was a region more fit for pastoral than for agricultural purposes.

[01:48:00] Okay.

[01:48:01] So he owned and tended flocks and he collected sycamore figs.

[01:48:05] Oh, that's why he was a sycamore whatever thing he was, a dresser.

[01:48:09] Yeah.

[01:48:10] Yeah.

[01:48:10] Okay.

[01:48:11] So that's what he did.

[01:48:11] All right.

[01:48:12] Okay.

[01:48:13] Amos dates his prophecy according to a local earthquake that was well known to his original

[01:48:19] readers, but is not mentioned in the biblical record.

[01:48:23] Oh.

[01:48:23] Okay.

[01:48:24] So, you know, because he says in the days, in two years before the earthquake.

[01:48:29] Yeah.

[01:48:30] That was part of the verse I just read.

[01:48:32] That's why I read it.

[01:48:33] Yeah.

[01:48:33] Yeah.

[01:48:34] So, yeah.

[01:48:36] We're like, the fuck?

[01:48:36] What are you talking about?

[01:48:37] What earthquake?

[01:48:38] Right.

[01:48:38] So, in 2005, seismologist Nicholas M. Brazes reviewed the literature on historical earthquakes

[01:48:47] in Jerusalem, specifically the Amos earthquake.

[01:48:50] Okay.

[01:48:51] And he states that modern writers date the earthquake to 759 BCE and assign it to a magnitude of 8.2.

[01:49:00] Oh, damn.

[01:49:01] With an intensity in Jerusalem between 8 and 9.

[01:49:07] Wow.

[01:49:07] Yeah.

[01:49:07] That was a really strong earthquake.

[01:49:09] He believes that such an earthquake should have raised Jerusalem to the ground and states

[01:49:14] yet that there is no physical or textual evidence of this.

[01:49:18] Hmm.

[01:49:18] So, he's like, this is what they described, so this is what it should have been, and we

[01:49:22] are not seeing that.

[01:49:24] Okay.

[01:49:24] But be that as it may, some earthquake did occur.

[01:49:28] Obviously not as great as they thought it was, but scary enough that they described

[01:49:31] it much stronger than it was.

[01:49:33] Got it.

[01:49:33] And we know this because other literature of that time.

[01:49:37] Yeah.

[01:49:38] And other parts of the Bible from that time were like, as great as the earthquake.

[01:49:42] Oh.

[01:49:43] Wow.

[01:49:43] And this was such a scary thing that happened that you could even say it was an earthquake.

[01:49:49] Got it.

[01:49:49] Like, lots of literature, you know, evoked that.

[01:49:52] Yeah.

[01:49:53] Like, as scary as an earthquake.

[01:49:55] Sure.

[01:49:55] You know?

[01:49:55] Sure.

[01:49:56] Like, they just stuck it in there just to make sure to drive it home that you know that,

[01:50:00] whoa!

[01:50:01] Right.

[01:50:01] This must be for real if it's as strong as an earthquake.

[01:50:04] Right.

[01:50:05] Remember that one earthquake?

[01:50:06] Yeah.

[01:50:07] Yeah.

[01:50:07] That's what they're talking about there.

[01:50:09] Okay?

[01:50:09] Uh-huh.

[01:50:09] So, let's move on to verse three now.

[01:50:11] Okay.

[01:50:12] Okay.

[01:50:13] This is what the Lord says, for three sins of Damascus, even for four, I will not relent.

[01:50:19] I have a question before we move on to this one.

[01:50:20] Okay, because this is really interesting.

[01:50:21] No, I got it.

[01:50:22] I got it.

[01:50:22] Okay, go.

[01:50:22] But did you look up, and are we going to describe what a sycamore dresser is?

[01:50:26] No.

[01:50:27] Okay, because I got the information.

[01:50:28] Okay.

[01:50:28] Do you want me to cover it real quick?

[01:50:29] Yes, I forgot that that was a question.

[01:50:30] Okay, all right.

[01:50:31] Tell me about dressing a sycamore.

[01:50:33] So, sycamore, the sycamore tree in the Bible is actually a type of fig tree.

[01:50:37] Mm-hmm.

[01:50:38] And it's native to the Middle East, and they needed a little help in the ripening process.

[01:50:43] So, a sycamore dresser was someone who would, like, make little cuts to help the figs grow.

[01:50:49] Oh, okay.

[01:50:50] So, just for the record.

[01:50:51] He didn't just collect the figs.

[01:50:53] He also helped them ripen.

[01:50:55] With the ripening process, yeah.

[01:50:56] Wow, okay.

[01:50:57] Cool, cool.

[01:50:58] So, that was, I just.

[01:50:59] Good to know.

[01:50:59] We had the question.

[01:51:00] I wanted to make sure we talked about it.

[01:51:02] We did.

[01:51:02] And I forgot about that.

[01:51:03] Yeah, and I was going to go ahead and move along.

[01:51:05] Sorry.

[01:51:05] Yeah, to the.

[01:51:06] I just wanted to make sure that was covered.

[01:51:08] The three sins, even for four?

[01:51:10] Yes.

[01:51:10] That was a big question.

[01:51:11] Yeah.

[01:51:12] All right.

[01:51:13] One thing I have to comment on there, too.

[01:51:15] Yes.

[01:51:15] It was only, like, the first couple, two or three chapters that they.

[01:51:19] It's only, like, the first two chapters, I think, that they did that three of four thing.

[01:51:23] And then it changed for that.

[01:51:24] I never heard of it again after that.

[01:51:26] Yeah.

[01:51:27] That's because some of this was maybe written by a different author.

[01:51:30] Right.

[01:51:31] That's kind of what I.

[01:51:31] I just thought I'd throw that out there as food for thought.

[01:51:34] Sure.

[01:51:35] Yeah.

[01:51:35] Sure.

[01:51:36] This didn't mean that Damascus only committed three sins and then God thought of a fourth sin, obviously.

[01:51:41] Okay.

[01:51:42] Right?

[01:51:42] Yeah.

[01:51:42] Like, just in case anybody thought that, that's not what it was.

[01:51:46] Right.

[01:51:46] It simply has the idea of sin upon sin upon sin and shows that the nation has done this again and again and again and can no longer escape punishment.

[01:51:53] Okay.

[01:51:54] That's the Bible explanation.

[01:51:55] Okay.

[01:51:56] Sure.

[01:51:56] Okay.

[01:51:57] Yeah.

[01:51:57] The repetitive expression of three and four means repetition, abundance, and excess, a literary style that was used among ancient Greek and Latin poets.

[01:52:08] And so I copied down some examples, which I thought were so fucking fascinating because, you know, I'm a literature geek, right?

[01:52:16] Sure.

[01:52:16] Yeah.

[01:52:16] Okay.

[01:52:17] So from Ulysses, we have thrice happy Greeks and four times who were slain in Atreus's cause upon the Trojan plain.

[01:52:26] Huh.

[01:52:27] Okay.

[01:52:28] Then we've got Virgil's Aeneid.

[01:52:31] I can never say it right.

[01:52:33] Damn it.

[01:52:34] I even looked it up to see how to pronounce it, but that was like three days ago.

[01:52:37] Right.

[01:52:37] Yeah.

[01:52:37] Yeah.

[01:52:38] Who can keep track of three days ago?

[01:52:39] I can't.

[01:52:40] Yeah.

[01:52:40] So struck with unusual fright, the Trojan chief with lifted hands and eyes invokes relief and thrice and four times happy those he cried that under lions walls before their parents died.

[01:52:54] So this would indicate to me, possibly, that the first couple of chapters were not written by Amos or in that time frame.

[01:53:02] They were written by a Greek author at some other point.

[01:53:04] Or at least reinterpreted and rewritten at some point.

[01:53:07] It was Greek and Latin poets.

[01:53:10] Okay.

[01:53:10] Who wrote in this style.

[01:53:12] So it was either a Greek or Latin poet, or it was somebody who appreciated Greek and Latin poetry.

[01:53:20] Right.

[01:53:20] But I'm betting that this Amos guy, if he was actually real, who was a herdsman and a sycamore dresser, was not a Greek and Latin poet also.

[01:53:29] Right.

[01:53:29] No, you're right.

[01:53:30] That's true.

[01:53:31] My guess.

[01:53:32] True.

[01:53:32] But, you know.

[01:53:33] That tracks.

[01:53:34] Yeah.

[01:53:34] I have one more example.

[01:53:35] Okay.

[01:53:36] Sure.

[01:53:36] Yeah.

[01:53:37] Seneca's Hippolytus.

[01:53:39] Oh, thrice and four times happy were the men whom hate devoured and fraud, hard pressing on, gave us a prey, gave us as a prey to death.

[01:53:50] Under the...

[01:53:50] Oh, yeah.

[01:53:51] That's it.

[01:53:51] That was it.

[01:53:52] Sorry.

[01:53:53] I was like, wait, what?

[01:53:54] That's not part of the poem.

[01:53:55] Got it.

[01:53:55] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:53:56] Yeah.

[01:53:56] So I just thought those were neat.

[01:53:58] Yeah.

[01:53:58] Yeah.

[01:53:59] So that answers that question.

[01:54:01] Sure.

[01:54:01] Like, what the fuck is this three and four?

[01:54:03] It's a poetry thing.

[01:54:04] It's a poetry thing.

[01:54:05] Yeah.

[01:54:05] Yeah.

[01:54:06] So under the kings Hezael and Ben-Hadad, Syria, whose capital was Damascus, tortured and butchered its victims by the most brutal of methods.

[01:54:16] So Syria is condemned to destruction and captivity due to its unrestrained cruelty.

[01:54:22] Got it.

[01:54:22] Remember, that's what these first chapters were about, is God yelling at all of these different nations.

[01:54:27] Right, right, right, right.

[01:54:28] Right?

[01:54:28] Yeah.

[01:54:29] So verse six reads, this is what the Lord says.

[01:54:33] For three sins of Gaza, even for four, I will not relent.

[01:54:37] Okay.

[01:54:38] So remember, we're traveling through all of these different nations.

[01:54:42] Right, right.

[01:54:42] And that's why he's using this particular style of phrase as he's yelling at all these different nations.

[01:54:48] Okay.

[01:54:49] So in punishment, Philistia's own chief cities, Gaza, Ashdod, Ashklon, and Ekron will be destroyed.

[01:54:58] The condemnation here is not against slavery in and of itself, it should be noted, just as the previous oracle was not actually against war in and of itself.

[01:55:08] Okay.

[01:55:09] The crime is not that soldiers were enslaved after being taken in battle, which was the standard practice, but that the Philistines used their temporary supremacy to enslave whole populations, soldiers and civilians, men and women, adults and children, young and old, for commercial profit.

[01:55:28] So if they just take it on the slavery, that's fine.

[01:55:32] But they sold the slaves and that's the problem.

[01:55:36] Got it.

[01:55:36] Okay.

[01:55:37] So Gaza, I mean, oh my God, they did not even need the slaves.

[01:55:41] Wait, wasn't there a point?

[01:55:42] Didn't we read something somewhere where God told the Israelites to take people and sell them for profit?

[01:55:47] Oh, that's fine.

[01:55:48] Maybe it was even in this.

[01:55:50] Whatever.

[01:55:50] Yeah.

[01:55:51] That's fine.

[01:55:52] Whatever.

[01:55:52] Okay.

[01:55:53] I don't know why you would ever criticize anything God did.

[01:55:56] Well, that's kind of the whole point.

[01:55:58] This isn't it.

[01:55:59] His butthole does not stink.

[01:56:00] Doesn't it?

[01:56:01] No.

[01:56:01] We should ask Moses because Moses was like, he showed him his backside.

[01:56:04] Mm hmm.

[01:56:05] Yeah.

[01:56:06] Anyway, Gaza did not even need the slaves, but they were like, whatever.

[01:56:11] We like slavery and it's awesome.

[01:56:14] She merely sold them to eat them for more money.

[01:56:16] Oh, okay.

[01:56:18] So that bitch, that bitch, that Gaza bitch.

[01:56:20] Got it.

[01:56:21] Taking all those slaves and then selling them on top of it.

[01:56:23] Ugh.

[01:56:24] Right?

[01:56:24] Like that was the real problem.

[01:56:26] Yeah.

[01:56:27] Oh, I just can't.

[01:56:28] Right.

[01:56:29] Anyway, tear, tire, tear.

[01:56:32] We can never remember which one it is.

[01:56:34] Right.

[01:56:34] Of Lebanon, a Phoenician city to the north of Israel and the leading commercial center of

[01:56:40] the region would also be conquered and burnt to the ground.

[01:56:45] It deceived its treaty partners and bought and sold slaves as it would any other merchandise.

[01:56:51] Okay.

[01:56:51] So they were horrible as well.

[01:56:53] Now, the people of Edom descended from Esau, the brother of Jacob, later named Israel.

[01:56:59] So in this way, the Lord could speak of the people of Edom as brother to the God of people.

[01:57:05] I'm sorry, to the brother, to the people of God.

[01:57:08] Got it.

[01:57:08] In that they shared common ancestors in Abraham and Isaac.

[01:57:12] Right.

[01:57:13] Right.

[01:57:13] So Edom is condemned for savagery, attacking Israel without any thought for the blood relation

[01:57:20] between the two nations.

[01:57:22] So it's not that Edom attacked them.

[01:57:25] It's that it attacked them even though they were brothers.

[01:57:28] If it had just been some random nation that attacked them, well, that's obviously fine.

[01:57:32] Just for the record, it is tire.

[01:57:34] Tire.

[01:57:35] Tiresome.

[01:57:35] Yeah.

[01:57:36] Tired of me pronouncing it wrong.

[01:57:38] Swing tire.

[01:57:39] Wife is doing a mental trick on the air.

[01:57:42] Tire.

[01:57:42] Yes.

[01:57:43] I'm like, tire.

[01:57:44] It's tire, you dumbo.

[01:57:46] Tire.

[01:57:47] It probably, I might remember.

[01:57:49] It could help.

[01:57:50] Right.

[01:57:50] We'll see.

[01:57:52] So anyway, yeah, Edom sucked more because they were related than because they attacked.

[01:57:58] I mean, I kind of get that, I guess, a little bit.

[01:58:01] I mean, like you and your brother used to fight when you were kids, right?

[01:58:04] And one of you like threw a knife at the other or some shit like that?

[01:58:08] It was a compass, but yeah, sure.

[01:58:09] Okay.

[01:58:10] Right.

[01:58:10] Right.

[01:58:10] And so like that would have been worse than if just some random kid did it.

[01:58:14] Right.

[01:58:15] Like if it would have landed in your eyes.

[01:58:17] Yeah, yeah.

[01:58:18] For sure.

[01:58:19] Yeah.

[01:58:19] Definitely.

[01:58:20] Yeah.

[01:58:20] So, okay.

[01:58:21] I guess I'll allow that.

[01:58:22] But the area of Gilead belonged to Israel and suffered attacks not only from Syria, but also from their neighbor to the west, Ammon, whose capital was Rabah.

[01:58:33] So Ammon also is going to suffer this devastating judgment because it mercilessly killed whole populations, including defenseless women, children, and babies and animals and stuff merely just to expand its territory.

[01:58:50] And we know that it's horrible to kill people just to gain territory.

[01:58:56] We know that God does not like it when people do that.

[01:58:59] Except that he's.

[01:59:00] Except he does that.

[01:59:01] When he wants them to do that.

[01:59:02] Yes.

[01:59:03] Yes.

[01:59:03] So.

[01:59:04] Yeah.

[01:59:04] That's why I was using that.

[01:59:05] Right.

[01:59:05] No, I got it.

[01:59:06] That's exactly right.

[01:59:36] I got it.

[01:59:37] Especially back in the ancient times here.

[01:59:39] When it comes to punishing women and children for what is happening in the violence and the wars and everything else, that's terrible no matter what.

[01:59:46] Yeah.

[01:59:47] I don't care which side you're on.

[01:59:48] Yeah.

[01:59:48] Because they weren't part of the fucking war.

[01:59:50] Exactly.

[01:59:51] Whatever.

[01:59:52] I got to be honest with you as that was it for chapter one.

[01:59:56] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:59:56] But I got to be honest with you.

[01:59:57] It's going to be really, really hard for me to keep my anger, ire, and disdain out of the rest of the readings for the rest of this book.

[02:00:08] Yeah.

[02:00:08] After the American election went the way it did.

[02:00:11] Right.

[02:00:12] So why is going to get angrier as we go through the Bible?

[02:00:15] I'm so fucking, like I did my morning and I laid in bed for two days crying and I watched Hallmark Christmas movies from 2017.

[02:00:26] And I ate nothing but like Doritos and Twizzlers and I was sad and I just was so disappointed and disgusted.

[02:00:36] And today, like I just woke up so mad.

[02:00:39] I'm so fucking angry that I'm like, this book can just eat my whole entire ass.

[02:00:47] Like literally.

[02:00:49] So, yeah.

[02:00:50] Every time like I would normally in the past have been like, oh, that's gross.

[02:00:54] Oh, that sucks.

[02:00:55] I'm probably going to be going off.

[02:00:57] So apologies if you're just joining us now and think that I'm over the top.

[02:01:02] It was not always this way.

[02:01:04] Well, you mellowed out as we've been reading it somewhat because we've run across so much awful that it's kind of numbed us to the repetitive nature of these things that are happening in the Bible.

[02:01:15] That is true.

[02:01:16] But now I'm just all awash in anger all over again.

[02:01:20] Right.

[02:01:21] Right.

[02:01:21] It's kind of like us being numbed to the message in the Bible is kind of like people being numbed to the in a bit like being numb to Trump.

[02:01:32] Right.

[02:01:32] Like forgetting that Trump was so terrible.

[02:01:34] Apparently, I don't know what the fuck happened.

[02:01:36] But yeah, I don't either.

[02:01:37] Well, I can tell you exactly what happened.

[02:01:40] Right.

[02:01:40] It was the problem with the Biden administration going weak on the war in Gaza.

[02:01:47] And everybody decided that that was the issue, that they could not possibly vote for Kamala over Trump.

[02:01:54] And so they either sat it out or voted for Trump.

[02:01:57] And I'm like, I agree with you 100 percent that they're wrong.

[02:02:02] But do you think Trump's going to make it better?

[02:02:04] Because he's not.

[02:02:06] I think also the fact that she was a woman was part of it.

[02:02:09] Oh, yeah, definitely.

[02:02:10] A large part.

[02:02:10] Yeah.

[02:02:10] Yeah.

[02:02:11] And a person of color.

[02:02:13] Right.

[02:02:13] Let's not forget that.

[02:02:14] Yes, I know we voted for Obama.

[02:02:17] I'm saying that to the three people that are shouting.

[02:02:20] But what about Obama?

[02:02:22] Like, OK, fuck off.

[02:02:24] You can you can vote for one black president in the entirety of American history and be like, but we voted for a black person that one time.

[02:02:34] Like, OK, really get over yourself.

[02:02:37] Right.

[02:02:38] OK.

[02:02:38] See, I told you, I'm just all kinds of pissed.

[02:02:40] So, OK, back to chapter two now.

[02:02:42] Yeah.

[02:02:43] OK.

[02:02:43] Yeah.

[02:02:43] Amos, chapter two.

[02:02:45] There we go.

[02:02:45] This is about judgment on God's people.

[02:02:47] OK.

[02:02:48] You know, Israel, not just their neighbors and shit.

[02:02:51] Sure.

[02:02:51] OK.

[02:02:51] This chapter contains Amos's prophecies regarding God's judgment against Moab, Judah and Israel following a pattern established in chapter one.

[02:03:01] OK.

[02:03:02] OK.

[02:03:02] You know, with the these people sucked.

[02:03:04] And here's why.

[02:03:05] Right.

[02:03:05] Moab was a southern neighbor to Judah that bordered Ammon to the south.

[02:03:09] They were related to Lot and therefore to Abraham and his descendants.

[02:03:14] Right.

[02:03:15] The crime of Moab probably is more about sacrilege with the mention of bones and the trumpet.

[02:03:22] Oh, so.

[02:03:23] Yeah.

[02:03:23] So let's read verse one or at least like the second half of it was because he burned to ashes the bones of Edom's king.

[02:03:32] Another translation of that is he burned the bones of the king to Edom into lime.

[02:03:37] OK.

[02:03:37] OK.

[02:03:38] This profane treatment of the corpse by the Moabite people is not mentioned in any historical documents.

[02:03:45] So some historical commentators think that Amos wants to show that, quote, the sympathy of God extends beyond the covenant of people and that he of his people and that he punishes wrongs inflicted even on the heathen nations.

[02:04:02] Oh.

[02:04:02] So he's like, you didn't just hurt my people.

[02:04:06] You did something mean to these people that I actually hate, but they're related to my people.

[02:04:11] So I'm going to be mad on their behalf for just a minute.

[02:04:13] OK.

[02:04:13] Just a minute.

[02:04:14] Sure.

[02:04:14] OK.

[02:04:15] Yeah.

[02:04:15] So that's what that's what people are trying to say is why God's like, I can't even believe you did that to Moab.

[02:04:23] Oh, got it.

[02:04:24] OK.

[02:04:24] Yeah.

[02:04:25] So the six nations previously mentioned did not have God's law.

[02:04:29] So they're not condemned by that law.

[02:04:32] They are condemned for ignoring the knowledge of right and wrong.

[02:04:35] So they're not in trouble for not being God's people.

[02:04:39] They're in trouble for, like I said, you know, doing the slavery and the selling of the slaves.

[02:04:43] The bad shit.

[02:04:44] Yeah.

[02:04:44] Yeah.

[02:04:44] That's deemed by the Bible and God.

[02:04:46] Sure.

[02:04:47] Right.

[02:04:47] Their inhumanity and cruelty are inexcusable.

[02:04:51] OK.

[02:04:52] So I had to write that because that's what it said.

[02:04:55] But I'm like, are they?

[02:04:56] I don't know.

[02:04:57] You guys seem pretty fucking inexcusable yourself.

[02:05:00] So can I really say that what they did back to you was inexcusable?

[02:05:05] Like, right.

[02:05:06] You know, I think all of you are fucking inexcusable if I'm being honest.

[02:05:10] Sure.

[02:05:10] You know.

[02:05:11] Yeah.

[02:05:11] Yeah.

[02:05:11] I mean, there's there's a lot of things that are as retribution said that they have done

[02:05:16] that the Israelites have done to other people that are pretty inexcusable in my eyes.

[02:05:21] Yeah.

[02:05:21] That's what I'm saying.

[02:05:22] Like, oh, were they mean to you back?

[02:05:25] Right.

[02:05:25] Yeah.

[02:05:25] Yeah.

[02:05:26] Oh, sucks to suck, doesn't it?

[02:05:28] But see, here's the problem.

[02:05:30] Judah did have God's law.

[02:05:32] Womp womp.

[02:05:33] Yeah.

[02:05:34] It is condemned for disobeying that law and going its own way.

[02:05:38] Some historians suggest that this oracle may have been a later addition to the text.

[02:05:43] Mm.

[02:05:44] OK.

[02:05:44] So there we go.

[02:05:45] Yeah.

[02:05:45] OK.

[02:05:45] So verse seven, the second half reads, father and son use the same girl and so profane my

[02:05:52] holy name.

[02:05:53] They fucked the same whore.

[02:05:55] You got it.

[02:05:56] Yeah.

[02:05:56] This probably speaks of father and son using the same ritual idolatrous prostitute.

[02:06:03] OK.

[02:06:04] So they didn't go there apparently at the same time.

[02:06:07] They both went there at separate times doing their, like, ritual things.

[02:06:13] OK.

[02:06:13] And the same whore may or may not have serviced them.

[02:06:16] Got it.

[02:06:17] Because she was a temple prostitute.

[02:06:19] Sure.

[02:06:19] I got it.

[02:06:20] In their idol feasts where young women prostituted themselves publicly in honor of Astarte or,

[02:06:27] you know, Asherah, that same chick.

[02:06:30] All right.

[02:06:30] Yeah.

[02:06:30] The father and son entered into impure connections with the same female.

[02:06:35] OK.

[02:06:36] Impure connections.

[02:06:37] Yeah.

[02:06:37] They fucked the same whore.

[02:06:39] Like, say what it is.

[02:06:40] That's a really pretty way of saying that.

[02:06:42] Impure connections.

[02:06:43] Both of their penises did enter the same vaginal hole.

[02:06:47] Some say that Trump had impure connections with Stormy Daniels.

[02:06:51] So I'm just saying.

[02:06:52] Stormy Daniels says that he did.

[02:06:54] Yeah.

[02:06:54] And I believe her.

[02:06:56] Because let's be honest.

[02:06:57] Like, who's going to on purpose claim.

[02:07:00] Yeah, I fucked that twat.

[02:07:02] Ew.

[02:07:03] He's so gross.

[02:07:04] I would never.

[02:07:05] Right.

[02:07:05] Like, I would not on purpose see that unless it was absolutely true.

[02:07:09] And I had to.

[02:07:10] Right.

[02:07:10] You know.

[02:07:11] You were talking about Stormy Daniels saying that she.

[02:07:14] Like, why would she lie?

[02:07:15] Right.

[02:07:15] It's not like she was happy about it.

[02:07:18] Right.

[02:07:18] Like, he's gross.

[02:07:19] Right.

[02:07:20] And E.

[02:07:20] Jean Carroll, like, yeah, I'm so excited to say that I got raped.

[02:07:25] And I'm really super excited that the rapist was him.

[02:07:29] Right.

[02:07:29] Like, I cannot wait to bring him down in this fashion.

[02:07:31] And, you know, to have everybody look at me this way.

[02:07:35] Like, fuck off.

[02:07:36] Believe women, you assholes.

[02:07:38] Right.

[02:07:38] Okay, sorry.

[02:07:40] Judges and officials favor those who bribe them.

[02:07:43] And the result is that the poor and the innocent receive unjust treatment.

[02:07:48] The rich lend to the poor, then take them as slaves when they cannot repay their debts,

[02:07:54] even though the debt may be as little as the price of a pair of sandals.

[02:07:58] Oh, wow.

[02:07:58] Yeah.

[02:07:59] So they're taking advantage of poor people.

[02:08:02] Right.

[02:08:02] You know.

[02:08:02] Which, I mean, that seems to have been the case throughout history.

[02:08:06] I was going to say, are we talking about 2024?

[02:08:08] The poor, shout out to the, you know, current day.

[02:08:11] Yeah.

[02:08:12] The wealthy seize the clothes of the poor as guarantees for the repayment of the debts that

[02:08:18] the poor cannot pay, even though the law of Moses prohibited the seizure of clothes and

[02:08:23] other essential items as guarantees.

[02:08:26] I see.

[02:08:26] So, you know, clearly they weren't reading the Torah.

[02:08:29] Right.

[02:08:29] But since the wealthy have no desire to wear the clothes of the poor because, ew, right?

[02:08:35] Poor clothes, right?

[02:08:36] Poor clothes.

[02:08:37] Ugh.

[02:08:37] They find an alternate use for them.

[02:08:40] And this is where I was telling you, I bet I know what they did with it.

[02:08:43] Okay.

[02:08:44] Yes.

[02:08:44] They spread them out beside the Baal altars to make beds where they would engage in sexual

[02:08:49] rights with the religious prostitutes.

[02:08:52] And then the poor people are like, I don't even want that shit back, man.

[02:08:55] Right?

[02:08:56] Like, it smells like fuck.

[02:08:59] Like, please, no.

[02:09:00] The religious feasts became drinking parties.

[02:09:04] But again, the wine comes from people who have been exploited.

[02:09:08] Okay.

[02:09:09] Corrupt officials place unjust fines on poor people such as farmers.

[02:09:13] And of course, then when the farmers are unable to pay their fines, the officials seize their

[02:09:18] wine as payment to use at these fuck fest parties.

[02:09:21] Huh.

[02:09:22] Whee!

[02:09:22] Isn't that fun?

[02:09:25] Right.

[02:09:25] Right.

[02:09:26] He eventually blessed the people of Israel, bringing them out of slavery, destroying the

[02:09:30] former inhabitants of Canaan and giving them a prosperous land to dwell in.

[02:09:35] And he wants you to remember it for eternity with all strings attached.

[02:09:39] Right.

[02:09:39] Right.

[02:09:39] He gave them prophets and Nazarites for their spiritual upbuilding.

[02:09:44] But the people rejected both.

[02:09:46] Yeah.

[02:09:47] You know, thousands of years later.

[02:09:49] Sure.

[02:09:50] Well, I mean, they rejected the ideas pretty much all the way through so far.

[02:09:55] Yeah.

[02:09:55] But again, we've questioned the delivery method, too.

[02:09:59] Sure.

[02:10:00] Because we're like, I don't think that this was real clear to people.

[02:10:03] It wasn't.

[02:10:03] God was a very bad distribution person.

[02:10:07] Yeah.

[02:10:07] Because he wasn't actually doing it.

[02:10:10] And he's still being very bad at it.

[02:10:13] Right.

[02:10:13] And quite honestly, I've seen the people that are shouting and spouting his words.

[02:10:18] And if this is the best he can do, I'm vastly disappointed.

[02:10:22] But let's be honest, there ain't no such thing as God.

[02:10:25] Right.

[02:10:26] No, it's God is merely a tool to produce a message that you want to produce and put people in fear

[02:10:34] of not obeying that message.

[02:10:35] Right.

[02:10:36] That's all it's been.

[02:10:37] That's all it was.

[02:10:38] It's all it ever will be.

[02:10:39] And it's all it is today.

[02:10:41] Yeah.

[02:10:42] That's fun.

[02:10:42] That's what that's the whole purpose.

[02:10:44] And we were talking about on our special for the, you know, when about Trump getting

[02:10:48] elected about how, you know, the messaging of even politics with regard to the MAGA, you

[02:10:54] know, movement especially is very much, you know, it's it's equivalent to the messaging

[02:11:00] from the Bible and Christianity.

[02:11:02] Yeah.

[02:11:03] It's a fear based message that gets people to toe the line because they're scared of

[02:11:08] some hypothetical consequence in the afterlife or in life or whatever.

[02:11:13] And it's just ridiculous.

[02:11:15] Yeah, I agree.

[02:11:16] The vow of the Nazarite is described in Numbers chapter six and was used to express a special

[02:11:23] desire to draw close to God and to separate from the comforts and pleasures of this world.

[02:11:28] Under the Nazarite vow, a man would eat or drink nothing from the grapevine.

[02:11:33] So no alcohol.

[02:11:35] Right.

[02:11:35] No wine.

[02:11:36] He would not cut his hair and he would not go anywhere near dead carcass.

[02:11:40] Right.

[02:11:41] And there was a lot of rules around that.

[02:11:42] I remember, too.

[02:11:43] There are some exceptions, sort of, sometimes, occasionally.

[02:11:47] But you have to then go.

[02:11:49] Only for like family members.

[02:11:49] But then you have to like.

[02:11:50] You have to go cleanse yourself.

[02:11:52] And it's like a whole process.

[02:11:54] Yeah.

[02:11:54] So better be worth it.

[02:11:55] Right.

[02:11:56] All right.

[02:11:56] So let's read verse 10.

[02:11:58] I brought your ass up out of Egypt and led you 40 years in the fucking wilderness to give

[02:12:04] you the land of the Amorites.

[02:12:06] Except that history shows that that probably didn't actually happen.

[02:12:10] Well, it wasn't the 40 years so much as the exodus itself.

[02:12:14] Right.

[02:12:14] No, that's what I'm saying.

[02:12:14] Yeah.

[02:12:15] It never had.

[02:12:16] Didn't happen.

[02:12:16] Right.

[02:12:17] Yeah.

[02:12:18] It didn't.

[02:12:19] Anyway.

[02:12:20] Yeah.

[02:12:21] Amos here when he was talking about the land of the Amorites.

[02:12:25] Yes.

[02:12:25] Yeah.

[02:12:25] He's talking about the whole land of Canaan as the Amorites were the principal nation

[02:12:29] of Canaan.

[02:12:31] Sure.

[02:12:31] So that's what that was.

[02:12:32] And then, you know, the Israelites were like, we want that land.

[02:12:34] And then God told them that they could have it.

[02:12:37] So they did.

[02:12:38] Sure.

[02:12:39] I guess.

[02:12:39] Sort of.

[02:12:40] Right.

[02:12:40] They kind of conquered it.

[02:12:42] Not really ever.

[02:12:43] It was a long process of not quite conquering it.

[02:12:45] Ever.

[02:12:46] Yeah.

[02:12:46] So then let's move on to verse 13.

[02:12:49] Now then, I will crush you as a cart crushes when loaded with grain.

[02:12:53] Yeah.

[02:12:54] So basically what's happening here is God will therefore crush his people as an ox cart

[02:13:00] loaded with grain crushes whatever is beneath it.

[02:13:02] That's such a nice guy.

[02:13:04] So he's crushing shit.

[02:13:04] Yeah.

[02:13:05] But I like this interpretation that I read.

[02:13:08] Okay.

[02:13:08] I will bring over you the wheel of destruction and it shall grind your place, your city and

[02:13:15] temple as the wheel of a cart laden with sheaves presses down the ground, gravel and

[02:13:21] stones over which it rolls.

[02:13:23] That's a much more poetic way of saying that.

[02:13:26] The wheel of destruction.

[02:13:27] I was like, yeah, damn.

[02:13:29] Yeah.

[02:13:30] Like somebody got some AI up in here to make it pretty.

[02:13:34] All right.

[02:13:34] Let's move on to chapter three.

[02:13:35] All right.

[02:13:36] Okay.

[02:13:36] So this chapter is about the logic of God's judgment.

[02:13:41] Logic.

[02:13:41] The logic of it.

[02:13:42] Okay.

[02:13:42] Yeah.

[02:13:42] Because you know, it's very logical to punish people.

[02:13:45] Sure.

[02:13:46] No.

[02:13:46] Right.

[02:13:47] Okay.

[02:13:48] Following the oracles in chapters one and two against Israel and Judah and the country

[02:13:53] surrounding them.

[02:13:55] Amos then addresses Judah and Israel together.

[02:13:58] Right.

[02:13:58] So verse one reads, hear this word, people of Israel, the word the Lord has spoken against

[02:14:04] you against the whole family.

[02:14:06] I brought up out of Egypt.

[02:14:08] Right.

[02:14:08] And I remember you were kind of like family the fuck.

[02:14:11] And I kind of told you at the time, he just means all of the people related, but I was

[02:14:17] only partly right.

[02:14:18] Okay.

[02:14:19] Okay.

[02:14:19] The children or people of Israel is not just the 10 tribes, but the whole family brought

[02:14:25] up from Egypt, which means all the descendants of Jacob, including Judah and Benjamin.

[02:14:31] So all 12 tribes.

[02:14:34] Yes.

[02:14:35] All 12 tribes.

[02:14:36] Yes.

[02:14:37] Many Israelites thought that because they were God's people, they could do as they liked

[02:14:42] without fear of punishment.

[02:14:43] I don't think that's it.

[02:14:44] I don't think that's true at all.

[02:14:46] As we've been reading through this whole thing, there's never been a point where I believed

[02:14:50] because of what the Bible says and specifically actually because of what the Bible says,

[02:14:55] I have never believed that the Israelites fully bought into the fact that God is the one

[02:15:01] true God.

[02:15:02] Yeah.

[02:15:02] God is the only answer.

[02:15:04] They were never on board.

[02:15:05] They weren't specifically like, I'm going to go behind God's back and be seen.

[02:15:09] No, there were multiple gods and different preachers and priests or whatever the hell

[02:15:13] they were back then.

[02:15:14] Prophet dudes.

[02:15:15] The prophets.

[02:15:16] Yeah.

[02:15:16] They worshipped different entities and they wanted you to fall in line with their message

[02:15:20] versus someone else's message.

[02:15:21] And the king of the day.

[02:15:23] Right.

[02:15:23] And the king of the day.

[02:15:24] But the people, they never stopped worshipping these other gods.

[02:15:29] Right.

[02:15:29] You know, it was always a prevalent thing in their life.

[02:15:33] Yeah.

[02:15:34] So I just, I don't.

[02:15:35] It bears repeating because they keep trying to tell us that, oh, they thought that they

[02:15:40] could get away with it.

[02:15:41] And it's like, no, they just wanted it to, you know, not rain or do rain on the right

[02:15:47] day.

[02:15:47] And so they tried to pick whichever God worked best.

[02:15:50] And we're hearing this from the words of the prophets that were the ones that believed

[02:15:53] that this one God was the one God.

[02:15:55] Right.

[02:15:56] Right.

[02:15:56] But that doesn't account for the ideas of the rest of their society.

[02:15:59] Right.

[02:16:00] At all.

[02:16:00] Which clearly, like, they never took.

[02:16:03] Because you keep, you, you prophety guys that wrote this down, you keep talking about

[02:16:08] how, ugh, these people, am I right?

[02:16:11] And it's like, yeah.

[02:16:12] These people, am I right?

[02:16:14] That never, ever believed you ever throughout all?

[02:16:16] I'm not going to say it never took.

[02:16:18] Because obviously we have Judaism and we have Christianity.

[02:16:21] Sure.

[02:16:21] So I think it did start becoming more and more prevalent.

[02:16:24] But I, you know, this is an older book.

[02:16:26] We can tell by the way it's written, what they're writing about, who they're talking to, because

[02:16:30] they're talking to the other tribes of Israel still.

[02:16:32] Right.

[02:16:33] So back in those days, for sure, there was not a consensus as to which gods were the

[02:16:38] correct gods to worship based on what we have read.

[02:16:41] There was a lot of gods from, in every book of the Bible that we've read, there's been

[02:16:46] multiple gods that these people are bouncing between because they don't know which one

[02:16:51] is the correct god.

[02:16:52] Right.

[02:16:52] And they don't know which human being to believe is telling them this is the correct god.

[02:16:58] Yeah.

[02:16:58] Right?

[02:16:59] Because there's so many different people pitching different gods that it's hard to tell.

[02:17:02] Their fucking temples had worship centers for multiple gods.

[02:17:07] Right.

[02:17:07] Right?

[02:17:07] Like, it wasn't something that the general populace was able to discern right from right from right

[02:17:14] from right from wrong.

[02:17:15] And I think it's unfair to say you should know better because they don't know better.

[02:17:20] Why should they know better?

[02:17:21] Right.

[02:17:21] Yeah.

[02:17:21] You're saying they should know better because you think you know better.

[02:17:25] Right.

[02:17:26] That's the only reasoning you have.

[02:17:28] Mm-hmm.

[02:17:28] It just, it makes me angry because it's a lot of the same reasons that you get from a

[02:17:33] Christian apologist today.

[02:17:34] Like, you should know God because I know God.

[02:17:36] I'm like, well, fuck off.

[02:17:37] Right.

[02:17:37] I don't, that doesn't mean shit to me, man.

[02:17:39] Like, I don't even like you.

[02:17:40] Why?

[02:17:41] Why am I going to believe you?

[02:17:42] I don't even, you're stupid.

[02:17:46] Honestly, God should get a better messenger.

[02:17:49] Yeah.

[02:17:49] Seriously.

[02:17:50] For sure.

[02:17:50] If God wants me to believe, God will get down here and make me believe.

[02:17:54] Okay?

[02:17:54] That's, yeah.

[02:17:55] Why doesn't God come down and tell me his fucking self?

[02:17:58] Yep.

[02:17:58] Because.

[02:17:58] That's my, like, if he is that powerful.

[02:18:01] Yeah.

[02:18:02] Just do it, man.

[02:18:02] And, and that's not a challenge.

[02:18:04] That's just a, you're not explaining it good enough.

[02:18:07] Right.

[02:18:08] Because I don't like you and you're dumb.

[02:18:10] Yeah.

[02:18:10] So, sorry.

[02:18:11] Yeah.

[02:18:11] And you didn't, you didn't like put a mark on this guy that's like, lets me know that

[02:18:15] you were sending the message directly to him.

[02:18:17] Right.

[02:18:17] So, I don't know what you're supposed to, I don't know why I'm supposed to believe him.

[02:18:21] Right?

[02:18:22] Like, just as human.

[02:18:24] Yeah.

[02:18:24] You know, as far as I'm concerned, every human sharts and this guy's a sharter.

[02:18:28] Yeah.

[02:18:29] You know?

[02:18:29] Definitely.

[02:18:30] Sorry.

[02:18:30] It's true.

[02:18:31] I can't help you.

[02:18:32] Like, send me somebody who ain't a sharter, I guess.

[02:18:35] Make a donkey talk to me.

[02:18:37] Right.

[02:18:37] Yeah.

[02:18:38] I mean, if a donkey talked, I might listen to the donkey.

[02:18:41] Probably not.

[02:18:42] But I would be very impressed.

[02:18:43] But more so than just a random human.

[02:18:44] Right.

[02:18:44] You know?

[02:18:45] I would still be like, the fuck do you know, donkey?

[02:18:49] But I would be impressed that he spoke.

[02:18:51] I just wouldn't necessarily believe a thing he said.

[02:18:54] Okay.

[02:18:55] Right?

[02:18:55] I would be more inclined to believe the donkey.

[02:18:58] If a donkey is speaking and chose to speak about a god, I would be like, oh, that's a

[02:19:03] pretty compelling sign right there.

[02:19:07] You know?

[02:19:08] I'm just, I'm not.

[02:19:08] I'm interested.

[02:19:09] As far as signs go.

[02:19:11] I'm interested.

[02:19:12] The talking ass, that's a good one.

[02:19:13] I'm not going to say it's a sign.

[02:19:14] I'm saying I'm interested.

[02:19:16] Go on.

[02:19:16] Yeah.

[02:19:17] No.

[02:19:17] Why isn't the prophet a talking ass?

[02:19:19] That would make a whole lot more sense.

[02:19:20] Right.

[02:19:21] I totally agree with you.

[02:19:22] Really, they are talking asses.

[02:19:23] But you know, that's a whole other story.

[02:19:24] Yeah.

[02:19:25] Exactly.

[02:19:26] Many Israelites thought that because they were God's people, we just read this, they could

[02:19:30] do as they like without fear of punishment.

[02:19:32] But on the contrary, says Amos, God's choice of them to be his people is all the more reason

[02:19:38] why he will punish them if they are disobedient.

[02:19:40] Of course, because he loves to punish his own people.

[02:19:43] Well, yeah.

[02:19:43] He's already said.

[02:19:44] Yeah.

[02:19:45] No, I know.

[02:19:45] I know.

[02:19:45] He's best.

[02:19:46] Right.

[02:19:46] Because it means more that you should know better according to God.

[02:19:51] Yeah.

[02:19:52] Yeah.

[02:19:53] And also because never not be afraid.

[02:19:55] Right.

[02:19:55] Of course.

[02:19:56] All right.

[02:19:56] Verse two reads, you only have I chosen of all the families of the earth.

[02:20:02] Therefore, I will punish you for all your fucking sins.

[02:20:05] Yeah.

[02:20:05] Yeah.

[02:20:06] This is where we were like, please don't choose us.

[02:20:08] Right.

[02:20:08] Yeah.

[02:20:09] Okay.

[02:20:09] I have to read something now.

[02:20:10] So I don't know if you've heard this.

[02:20:13] Okay.

[02:20:14] This happened before the election at a rally for Donald Trump last week in Duluth, Georgia,

[02:20:23] disgraced former Fox News host Tucker Carlson had some really fucking creepy things to say

[02:20:28] about punishment that I thought fit right here.

[02:20:31] Okay.

[02:20:31] Okay.

[02:20:31] Because we're talking about punish you for your sins.

[02:20:34] Sure.

[02:20:34] So, okay.

[02:20:35] Well, the fact that you're not like, oh, yeah, I know what you're talking about means

[02:20:39] that you haven't heard this.

[02:20:40] No, I haven't heard this.

[02:20:40] You're going to love it.

[02:20:41] Am I?

[02:20:42] Yeah.

[02:20:42] I'm going to love it, huh?

[02:20:43] Yeah.

[02:20:43] Oh, yeah.

[02:20:44] You can tell by my tone.

[02:20:46] I don't like that fucker.

[02:20:48] No.

[02:20:48] Okay.

[02:20:49] All right.

[02:20:49] All right.

[02:20:49] So I'm being Tucker now.

[02:20:51] I'm, I'm quoting what he said.

[02:20:54] Okay.

[02:20:55] All right.

[02:20:55] Verbatim.

[02:20:55] Yeah.

[02:20:56] This is not me summarizing.

[02:20:57] I got it.

[02:20:58] Okay.

[02:20:58] Yeah.

[02:20:58] If you allow a baby to smear poop on the walls or a 14 year old to light a joint at the

[02:21:05] breakfast table, or if you allow your hormone addled 15 year old daughter to slam the door

[02:21:11] of her bedroom and give you the finger, you're going to get more of it.

[02:21:15] There has to be a point at which dad comes home.

[02:21:18] Dad comes home and he's pissed.

[02:21:20] He's not vengeful.

[02:21:22] He loves his children.

[02:21:24] Disobedient as they may be.

[02:21:26] He loves them because they're his children.

[02:21:29] They live in his house, but he's very disappointed in their behavior and he's going to let them

[02:21:35] know.

[02:21:36] And when dad gets home, you know what he says?

[02:21:39] What does he say?

[02:21:40] You've been a bad girl.

[02:21:42] You've been a bad little girl.

[02:21:45] Wait, what?

[02:21:45] And now you're getting a vigorous spanking right now.

[02:21:49] And no, it's not going to hurt me more than it hurts you.

[02:21:53] This is Tucker Carlson saying this to a crowd.

[02:21:56] Okay.

[02:21:56] Okay.

[02:21:57] No, it's not.

[02:21:58] I'm not going to lie.

[02:21:59] It's going to hurt you a lot more than it hurts me.

[02:22:03] And you earned this.

[02:22:05] You're getting a vigorous spanking because you've been a bad girl and it has to be this

[02:22:11] way.

[02:22:11] The crowd went wild.

[02:22:14] Then Donald Trump came to the stage and his followers greeted him with the rapturous

[02:22:18] cries of daddy's home.

[02:22:20] Oh my God.

[02:22:22] Because we are living in the worst, most disgusting timeline.

[02:22:24] And then over half of America voted for him to be their president.

[02:22:28] Fuck.

[02:22:29] That's literally what.

[02:22:31] Yeah.

[02:22:31] I got it.

[02:22:31] I got it.

[02:22:32] Yeah.

[02:22:33] So.

[02:22:34] I thought that was an appropriate place to stick that.

[02:22:38] Sure.

[02:22:39] Yeah.

[02:22:39] Punishment.

[02:22:40] I don't really know what to say about that because there's so many things wrong with that

[02:22:45] statement that I don't even hardly know where to begin.

[02:22:47] It was creepy as fuck.

[02:22:49] Highly recommend all of you look it up because I'm not making it up.

[02:22:52] I didn't paraphrase.

[02:22:54] Right.

[02:22:54] It's really fucking creepy.

[02:22:56] creepy.

[02:22:57] He's obviously giving very sexual innuendo tones.

[02:23:03] Right.

[02:23:03] Like not even trying to hide it.

[02:23:05] Well, I take it.

[02:23:06] The crowd loved it.

[02:23:07] And I take.

[02:23:08] Well, yeah, they're all whatever.

[02:23:10] Yeah.

[02:23:10] They're all fucking freaks.

[02:23:11] But I take issue even with something as simple as like, this is my house.

[02:23:15] Like what?

[02:23:16] Right.

[02:23:16] Fuck you.

[02:23:17] It's our house.

[02:23:18] No, it's his house.

[02:23:19] No, I'm just saying.

[02:23:20] Daddy's home.

[02:23:20] Like that's and he's that alone is a wrong idea.

[02:23:24] Yeah.

[02:23:25] Right.

[02:23:25] Yeah.

[02:23:25] You don't own your family as a father figure or as any parental figure.

[02:23:30] But if you are a Christian, apparently you do.

[02:23:34] And if you are a Christian, this is your country.

[02:23:38] This is why we're doing this fucking podcast.

[02:23:40] Exactly.

[02:23:41] Jesus Christ.

[02:23:41] That is some fucked up bullshit religious rhetoric coming from Tucker.

[02:23:47] Mother fucking Carlson.

[02:23:48] Apparently this is just mainstream ideas.

[02:23:51] Yeah.

[02:23:51] In the right.

[02:23:53] Yeah.

[02:23:53] In the in the in the Republican right.

[02:23:55] Mm hmm.

[02:23:56] Like, wow.

[02:23:57] Yeah.

[02:23:58] What the fuck?

[02:23:59] Yeah.

[02:23:59] So I was telling husband tonight, actually, I keep seeing this these things on Facebook

[02:24:05] that are like, but we still have to be nice.

[02:24:07] And I'm like, absolutely fucking not.

[02:24:09] Absolutely fucking not.

[02:24:11] I was off of Facebook for about two years because my mental health would make me go down rabbit

[02:24:16] holes and I just couldn't.

[02:24:17] I couldn't deal.

[02:24:18] Yeah.

[02:24:19] But don't after this shit, after the shit that is coming down the pipe, tell me.

[02:24:25] But we still have to be fucking not hug a Nazi.

[02:24:29] Try to find common ground with the people that are trying to kill you and your loved ones.

[02:24:34] And let's all still find a way to be nice.

[02:24:37] Don't speak out loud because that makes you the problem.

[02:24:40] When you make waves, you're the problem, not the person that's being the racist or the

[02:24:46] bully.

[02:24:47] You're the problem because you spoke against it.

[02:24:50] Right.

[02:24:50] I'm like, no, absolutely not.

[02:24:52] Right.

[02:24:54] Tucker fucking Carlson delivered that speech.

[02:24:57] The people cheered and went and voted for goddamn Trump.

[02:25:02] Fuck off.

[02:25:03] The gloves are off.

[02:25:05] I will not be nice.

[02:25:06] I'm not hugging no goddamn Nazis.

[02:25:08] And I don't give a shit if we all like the same flavor ice cream.

[02:25:12] Okay.

[02:25:13] I'm going to caveat that.

[02:25:15] I think that there is some important dialogue that needs to happen over the next four years

[02:25:18] with people that are reachable.

[02:25:20] Sure.

[02:25:21] But I'm not the person to deliver that.

[02:25:23] I understand.

[02:25:24] Because I don't have that.

[02:25:25] I'm not built for that.

[02:25:27] As I have said multiple times.

[02:25:28] No, I'm just doing my part to counterbalance.

[02:25:32] I'm also not advocating violence.

[02:25:34] I'm just not going to get on there and be like, yes, let us all sing Kumbaya and hug one

[02:25:39] another.

[02:25:40] If we just hug it out, the Nazis will not Nazi.

[02:25:43] Right.

[02:25:44] I don't believe that, obviously.

[02:25:46] Right.

[02:25:46] No, I know.

[02:25:47] But that's what the people, they don't want to hear the mean things.

[02:25:52] Stop being mad.

[02:25:53] Oh, there's so much mad.

[02:25:54] I just don't want to hear the mad.

[02:25:55] Why does everybody post things that are mad?

[02:25:58] Right.

[02:25:59] No mad is happening in my little white life.

[02:26:01] No.

[02:26:02] Yeah, definitely.

[02:26:03] That is the sentiment amongst a lot of people.

[02:26:06] So, and, and, yeah, I don't know.

[02:26:11] I'm sorry, but if you are not mad, you are privileged.

[02:26:14] The end.

[02:26:15] Yeah.

[02:26:15] That's all there is to it.

[02:26:16] If you're not mad, you're a white guy and you're privileged.

[02:26:19] And fuck off.

[02:26:20] Honestly.

[02:26:21] Generally speaking, sure.

[02:26:22] Of course, generally speaking.

[02:26:23] But that's all I speak is in generalities.

[02:26:25] I know.

[02:26:26] Anyways, to carry on.

[02:26:28] Yeah.

[02:26:28] To prevent the people from thinking that he is making idle threats.

[02:26:34] Amos points out that he has a good reason for speaking with such boldness.

[02:26:38] Oh, okay.

[02:26:38] He gives a list of illustrations to show that there is a reason for everything.

[02:26:42] So he's like.

[02:26:43] Got it.

[02:26:43] Remember when he was like, you know, don't you two, if you're walking the same way, arm

[02:26:48] in arm, don't you agree and shit like that?

[02:26:51] Right.

[02:26:51] Right.

[02:26:51] Right.

[02:26:51] Okay.

[02:26:52] So that's, that's a whole list that he gives.

[02:26:54] And that's the only one I can remember.

[02:26:56] Sure.

[02:26:56] Because fuck that guy.

[02:26:57] Yeah.

[02:26:57] Verse eight reads, the lion has roared.

[02:27:00] Who will not fear?

[02:27:02] The sovereign Lord has spoken, but who can prophecy?

[02:27:05] So Amos is basically saying, don't fucking blame me.

[02:27:08] I'm just a messenger.

[02:27:09] Right.

[02:27:09] That's what he's saying there.

[02:27:11] Then he tries to shame the people of Israel, whose capital is a reminder of Samaria, by

[02:27:17] inviting their enemies represented here by Philistia and Egypt to come and see how bad

[02:27:23] the nation is.

[02:27:24] He's like, hey guys, why don't you come over here and look at how much we suck with all

[02:27:28] it's oppression, lawlessness and violence and greed.

[02:27:31] I just want to say back to the, you were, you were saying how he was saying that don't,

[02:27:36] don't shoot the messenger because I'm just relaying the message.

[02:27:39] I think there's a lot of nefarious things and messages that get put out into the world

[02:27:46] under the guise of, it's just God's message.

[02:27:50] It's just God.

[02:27:50] I'm not, I'm not, you know, I'm not saying that I think this is the best method, but God

[02:27:55] says it is.

[02:27:56] So we've got to listen to God.

[02:27:57] Right.

[02:27:58] But like, it relieves the, the burden of like, you don't have to answer for what you're saying

[02:28:04] is that thing.

[02:28:06] Whoa, it's been my fault.

[02:28:07] If God said it.

[02:28:08] Yeah.

[02:28:08] You're just relaying a message for God.

[02:28:10] Exactly.

[02:28:11] Right.

[02:28:11] You're not actually yourself promoting that idea.

[02:28:14] Right.

[02:28:14] Because if you were, you might sound like a fucking misogynistic asshole or, you know,

[02:28:18] whatever racist asshole, whatever the fuck you would be with by saying what you're saying.

[02:28:22] Yeah.

[02:28:22] But when you say God said it, it allows people to be like, well, God said it.

[02:28:26] Yeah.

[02:28:26] It wasn't my pastor.

[02:28:27] It wasn't my priest.

[02:28:28] It wasn't whatever.

[02:28:29] He's just quoting the Bible.

[02:28:30] Why?

[02:28:30] Yeah.

[02:28:31] I hate it.

[02:28:32] It just, you, you, that's why Christianity, that's why religion is, is nefarious.

[02:28:38] Right.

[02:28:39] Because it allows people to.

[02:28:41] Scapegoat.

[02:28:42] Well, scapegoat.

[02:28:43] And it allows them to pitch messages that they, that are too radical in the, in the wrong

[02:28:50] way for them to actually promote themselves.

[02:28:53] Yeah.

[02:28:53] They, they, they push off that burden onto a God.

[02:28:56] Yeah.

[02:28:56] And then say that this is what this God is saying.

[02:28:58] And that's how they push these agendas of, of, you know, bad, of, of wrong.

[02:29:03] Like a lot of the, a lot of the, uh, racist, um, Christians are like, what if we

[02:29:12] reinstated slavery?

[02:29:13] What?

[02:29:13] I'm just saying this isn't in the Bible.

[02:29:16] What?

[02:29:16] God wants it.

[02:29:17] What?

[02:29:18] I'm not racist.

[02:29:19] No.

[02:29:19] And that's, that's exactly what I'm saying.

[02:29:22] Like if we allow people to use God for whatever purposes they want, they will use God for whatever

[02:29:29] purposes they want.

[02:29:30] Of course.

[02:29:31] And that's, that's why this is, it's an important thing at the very least, whether you're still

[02:29:37] a Christian by the time you're done listening to this podcast or not, it's important to point

[02:29:42] out the wrong and the fallacies and the, the contradictions in this Bible and, and say them

[02:29:49] with, you know, emphasize those, those wrong, those wrong things.

[02:29:54] Because if we don't, someone is going to use them against us.

[02:29:58] Someone is going to use them for evil.

[02:30:01] Someone is going to use them to influence people in a way that there may be no coming

[02:30:05] back from for hundreds, thousands of years.

[02:30:08] Right.

[02:30:08] Right.

[02:30:09] These are important things to understand and, and, and grasp as humans, that this is not a

[02:30:17] God saying these things, whether you believe in God or not, you cannot, if you are a decent

[02:30:23] human being believe that slavery is okay because the Bible said so.

[02:30:27] Right.

[02:30:27] Right.

[02:30:27] Like that is not okay.

[02:30:28] Yeah.

[02:30:29] And they're, they're just, there's so many things that are, that could be pitched as okay

[02:30:34] through the Bible's messaging that are not okay.

[02:30:38] And it just has to be said, it has to be understood.

[02:30:41] You have to at least stop there.

[02:30:44] Right.

[02:30:44] Like we're, we're going into a period in our political history here that things might get

[02:30:49] really shitty.

[02:30:51] We have to stop this somewhere.

[02:30:53] Right.

[02:30:53] Right.

[02:30:54] Somewhere.

[02:30:55] Mm-hmm.

[02:30:55] And, and part of that is understanding where these messages are coming from.

[02:30:59] Yeah.

[02:31:00] They're coming from your fucking dumb book that you haven't fucking read.

[02:31:04] They're coming from the dumb book, but they're really coming from people who want to make

[02:31:07] these things happen and using this book.

[02:31:10] Dumb book.

[02:31:10] To make them happen.

[02:31:12] Sure.

[02:31:12] Sure.

[02:31:12] That's, it has nothing, you could make this book say whatever the fuck you want it to

[02:31:16] say.

[02:31:16] But I noticed that people only use it to push bad plans.

[02:31:20] Yeah.

[02:31:21] I'm not, if we're talking about the alt-right and, you know, right-wing Christians and all

[02:31:25] that kind of stuff, then yes, you're, in my opinion, you are correct.

[02:31:29] There are allies that are Christian.

[02:31:31] So I'm not going to say that everybody uses the book for bad.

[02:31:34] Some people believe in hope and some people believe in the good that Christ does and all

[02:31:41] these wonderful things.

[02:31:43] Those messages don't seem to gain much traction, though.

[02:31:46] It seems that way.

[02:31:48] And, and I will say that the, the ugly side of Christianity is much more vocal.

[02:31:54] Well, considering that Trump didn't just win the electoral college, but actually won the

[02:31:59] goddamn popular vote.

[02:32:00] No, I know.

[02:32:01] I'm going to say majority of Americans at least seem to be really taken with the idea

[02:32:09] of what the Bible is pushing.

[02:32:12] Sure.

[02:32:13] So.

[02:32:13] No, I, I hear you.

[02:32:15] I do.

[02:32:15] Sorry.

[02:32:16] I might be a little bit still pissed and cynical and angry.

[02:32:19] Let's move on to verse 12.

[02:32:21] Yes, let's do that.

[02:32:21] Okay.

[02:32:22] This is what the Lord says as a shepherd rescues from the lion's mouth, only two leg bones

[02:32:29] or a piece of an ear.

[02:32:30] Yeah.

[02:32:31] So will the Israelites living in Samaria be rescued with only the head of a bed and a

[02:32:36] piece of fabric from a couch and a recliner.

[02:32:38] Remember we were like, what random fucking body parts?

[02:32:42] Yeah.

[02:32:42] Right.

[02:32:42] Yeah.

[02:32:43] So this verse is Amos's first reference to the idea of a remnant.

[02:32:48] Okay.

[02:32:48] Okay.

[02:32:49] And Exodus, the book of Exodus chapter 22 verses 10 through 13 say that if an animal

[02:32:57] dies in the care of another man, such as a shepherd, the shepherd must make restitution

[02:33:03] to the owner of the animal unless he could bring remains that proved the animal was attacked

[02:33:09] by a predator.

[02:33:11] Oh, okay.

[02:33:11] So that's what this is hearkening back to.

[02:33:14] Okay.

[02:33:15] Okay.

[02:33:15] So when Amos makes this comparison, he is actually making the sarcastic point that when invasion

[02:33:21] strikes, Israel's devastation will be so complete that all that will be rescued is proof of death

[02:33:28] in the form of scraps of furniture.

[02:33:30] Got it.

[02:33:31] Okay.

[02:33:31] Okay.

[02:33:31] So I just, we had a question.

[02:33:34] It wasn't that it was a question so much as I remember us commenting like, what an odd

[02:33:39] statement.

[02:33:40] Yeah.

[02:33:40] But it actually did have a place that it was pulling from.

[02:33:44] Got it.

[02:33:44] Okay.

[02:33:44] That makes it make a little bit more sense.

[02:33:47] Okay.

[02:33:47] Verse 15 reads, I will tear down the winter house along with the summer house.

[02:33:53] The houses adorned with ivory will be destroyed and the mansions will be demolished, declares

[02:34:00] the Lord.

[02:34:01] And we were like, whoa, rich houses, I guess.

[02:34:03] What?

[02:34:04] Right.

[02:34:04] So I will not only destroy the poor habitations and villages in the country, but I will destroy

[02:34:10] those of the nobility and gentry as well as the lofty palaces in the fortified cities

[02:34:16] in which they dwell in the winter season, as well as those light and elegant seats in

[02:34:23] which they spend the summer season.

[02:34:25] Okay.

[02:34:26] That's what he's basically saying.

[02:34:27] All right.

[02:34:28] So this is, this wasn't a comment about rich versus poor.

[02:34:30] It was.

[02:34:31] Oh, was it?

[02:34:32] It was.

[02:34:32] Okay.

[02:34:33] All right.

[02:34:33] The ivory houses, remarkable for their magnificence and their ornaments were not built of ivory,

[02:34:40] but had walls in which ivory vessels, ornaments, and inlaying abounded.

[02:34:46] So yeah, but they were, they were talking about the lofty places, the rich houses, the mansions,

[02:34:53] all that shit.

[02:34:54] Right.

[02:34:55] I'm judging it all.

[02:34:56] Right.

[02:34:57] But that's what I'm saying.

[02:34:57] Like everyone's going to be treated equal, poor, rich, whatever.

[02:35:00] He's saying, I'm not only just going to destroy the poor ones.

[02:35:03] I'm going to get the rich ones too.

[02:35:04] The reason I'm saying that is because I think when we read it, I thought that maybe he was

[02:35:08] just focusing on the rich.

[02:35:10] Got it.

[02:35:11] So I think I misinterpreted that at the time.

[02:35:13] Okay.

[02:35:13] So that's all.

[02:35:14] Got it.

[02:35:15] Yeah.

[02:35:15] He's taking everybody down.

[02:35:16] Got it.

[02:35:17] Okay.

[02:35:17] Yeah.

[02:35:18] Okay.

[02:35:18] So let's move on to chapter four.

[02:35:19] Sure.

[02:35:20] Okay.

[02:35:20] This chapter contains the denunciation of Israel's nobles as Israel is reproved for oppression,

[02:35:28] for idolatry, and for their incorrigibleness.

[02:35:31] Okay.

[02:35:32] You're incorrigible.

[02:35:33] Yeah.

[02:35:34] Okay.

[02:35:34] So verse one reads, hear this word, you cows of Bashan on Mount Samaria.

[02:35:40] Yeah.

[02:35:41] Women who oppress the poor and crush the needy and say to your husbands, bring us some

[02:35:47] margaritas.

[02:35:48] Yeah.

[02:35:48] Okay.

[02:35:49] Bring us some drinks is what it says.

[02:35:51] Right.

[02:35:51] I changed drinks to margaritas because that's what I would be shouting.

[02:35:55] Sure.

[02:35:55] As a matter of fact, when we have Mexican food, that is what I shout every time.

[02:35:59] 100%.

[02:36:00] When we go out for Mexican food, I always say I'm having a margarita.

[02:36:04] Right.

[02:36:05] Because you do.

[02:36:06] Because that tracks.

[02:36:07] That's what you have to do.

[02:36:08] Yeah, you gotta.

[02:36:09] And I love margaritas.

[02:36:10] Oh my God.

[02:36:12] All right.

[02:36:13] So the area of Bashan in the northern part of Israel, the modern day Golan Heights, was

[02:36:19] known for producing fat and healthy livestock, flocks, and herds.

[02:36:24] It was also famous for the fertility of its soil.

[02:36:28] So the sarcastic epithet, cows of Bashan, seems to refer both to the luxury that the wealthy

[02:36:36] women enjoyed and to a certain voluptuousness and sensuality which their extravagant lifestyle

[02:36:43] afforded them.

[02:36:45] Got it.

[02:36:45] Okay.

[02:36:45] Okay.

[02:36:46] The prophet presents the idea that the iniquitous, opulent, idle, lazy drones, whether men or women,

[02:36:54] are just like fatted bullocks, which were shortly to be led out to the slaughter.

[02:36:59] So not only are they lazy fat cows, all of them, but they're lazy fat cows that are also

[02:37:08] about to be killed for food.

[02:37:11] Got it.

[02:37:11] Okay.

[02:37:11] Yeah.

[02:37:12] It's like a double whammy.

[02:37:14] Sure.

[02:37:14] So the wealthy women here who have urged their husbands on to violence and fraud and to exploit

[02:37:20] the poor to increase their own extravagance are likened to this lot of fat cows.

[02:37:26] Got it.

[02:37:27] When the enemy conquers Samaria, these women will be taken captive and led out like cows

[02:37:32] through the gaps in the broken city wall.

[02:37:35] Again, I made a comment at the time, but I think it's really convenient that they focus

[02:37:41] on the women's issues here as opposed to the men because the men are also living large.

[02:37:48] The men are also enjoying their wealth.

[02:37:50] But it never fails in the Bible that they tend to call out the problems with the women

[02:37:55] as opposed to the men.

[02:37:57] Well, not a hundred percent of the time, but the majority of the time.

[02:38:00] That's because when men are bad, they were usually led there by the women.

[02:38:03] That's the way they pitch it.

[02:38:04] Yeah.

[02:38:05] Women are temptresses.

[02:38:07] It's honey-lipped vixens.

[02:38:08] Right.

[02:38:09] Yeah.

[02:38:09] Yeah.

[02:38:09] That harkens back to early episodes in case you were wondering.

[02:38:12] Earlier episodes.

[02:38:13] Yeah.

[02:38:13] Yeah.

[02:38:13] I guess not early, early.

[02:38:15] It was recent-ish.

[02:38:17] The last five books, at least.

[02:38:19] Ten books.

[02:38:20] Five books.

[02:38:21] Ten books.

[02:38:21] Whatever.

[02:38:23] Not the beginning.

[02:38:24] Not the beginning.

[02:38:25] I'll give you that.

[02:38:26] Yeah.

[02:38:26] All right.

[02:38:27] So verse two reads, the sovereign Lord has sworn by his holiness.

[02:38:32] The time will surely come when you will be taken away with hooks, the last of you with

[02:38:37] fish hooks.

[02:38:38] Remember, we had a question about what the fuck does that mean?

[02:38:41] Yeah.

[02:38:41] Okay.

[02:38:42] So when the Assyrians massacred and exiled a conquered community, they led the captives

[02:38:48] away on journeys of hundreds of miles with the captives naked and attached together with

[02:38:54] the system of strings and fish hooks pierced through their lower lip.

[02:38:59] Oh, that's horrible.

[02:39:01] So this is saying that God will make sure that they were led in this humiliating manner through

[02:39:07] the broken walls of their conquered cities.

[02:39:10] Oh.

[02:39:10] Yeah.

[02:39:11] Oh, yeah.

[02:39:12] That's awful.

[02:39:13] Right?

[02:39:13] Like that mental image will live rent free in my head forever now.

[02:39:17] Thanks, Bible.

[02:39:18] I bet fish hooks weren't anything like they are today.

[02:39:19] Not that it would be fun today, but you know.

[02:39:21] I bet they were a lot uglier back then.

[02:39:23] And rusty as fuck.

[02:39:24] Right?

[02:39:25] Yeah.

[02:39:25] Oof.

[02:39:26] Yeah.

[02:39:27] Like, God, people are so nasty.

[02:39:28] It's not a happy thought.

[02:39:29] Like, okay, so you're walking around in the apocalypse.

[02:39:33] Does it even occur to you when you pick up a sharp object?

[02:39:37] Hey, I think I'll pierce this through somebody's fucking lip.

[02:39:40] Well, apparently it did.

[02:39:41] But that's what I'm saying.

[02:39:42] Like, I cannot imagine.

[02:39:45] That is just so grotesque.

[02:39:49] Yeah.

[02:39:49] No, I agree.

[02:39:50] I don't understand it.

[02:39:51] I'm like, ew, I don't want that in my lip.

[02:39:53] I couldn't imagine putting it in somebody else's lip.

[02:39:56] Right.

[02:39:56] Ew.

[02:39:57] Cool.

[02:39:58] Yeah.

[02:39:58] All right.

[02:39:59] Verse three reads, you will each go straight out through breaches in the wall and you will

[02:40:04] be cast out toward Harmon, declares the Lord.

[02:40:07] So continuing with the fish hook metaphor.

[02:40:11] Metaphor.

[02:40:12] Was it a metaphor?

[02:40:13] I don't think so.

[02:40:14] It doesn't sound like it.

[02:40:15] You will be caught by the hooks or by the nets.

[02:40:18] And though you may make breaches in the nets by your flouncing when caught, you'll be taken

[02:40:24] out at these very breaches and cast not back into the palace, but into a reservoir to be

[02:40:30] kept a while and afterwards be taken out to be destroyed.

[02:40:35] So it was also talking about how this whole fishing village thing.

[02:40:41] Yeah.

[02:40:42] You know what I mean?

[02:40:42] So it was, I guess, kind of a metaphor, like a double entendre kind of thing.

[02:40:46] Sure.

[02:40:47] So Samaria here itself is the net.

[02:40:50] Your adversaries shall besiege it and make breaches in its walls.

[02:40:55] At those breaches, you will endeavor to make your escape, but you'll be caught and led into

[02:41:00] captivity where most of you will be destroyed.

[02:41:04] Got it.

[02:41:04] Okay.

[02:41:05] Okay.

[02:41:05] So.

[02:41:06] Just a, I did a quick bit of research because I know we had a question about Harmon and I

[02:41:11] was curious about the, like, if that related to like a fishing village, because they were

[02:41:16] talking about hooks and everything.

[02:41:17] Yeah.

[02:41:18] Which obviously we've already covered why there was fishing hooks.

[02:41:20] So that wasn't it.

[02:41:22] No, that's okay.

[02:41:22] But the, for what I came up with here is that it is possibly, there's a couple of different

[02:41:29] things.

[02:41:30] There are a few different things.

[02:41:31] It's possibly symbolic.

[02:41:32] And it might be symbolic of a far off land where, or a land of destruction.

[02:41:36] Okay.

[02:41:36] Um, it also could be just corrupted text.

[02:41:39] So like, it could be somebody just misinterpreted the name, but it's not like no one can relate

[02:41:45] this to an actual place apparently, but it could also be an actual place that just has

[02:41:49] been lost to time.

[02:41:50] Got it.

[02:41:51] So those just throwing that out there because I did have an act, a question about that

[02:41:55] when we were going through.

[02:41:57] So that's all.

[02:41:57] Yeah.

[02:41:58] Well, in words of cutting irony, Amos calls the people to the places of worship, encouraging

[02:42:04] them to continue their zealous, but unspiritual religious exercises.

[02:42:09] You remember he was being like so sarcastic, like, go ahead, bring them, you know, do your

[02:42:15] thing.

[02:42:16] Do it three times.

[02:42:16] I don't care.

[02:42:17] Yeah.

[02:42:18] Cool.

[02:42:18] Go.

[02:42:19] So the more that they do so, the more they will increase their sin.

[02:42:23] They are corrupt, immoral, ungodly, greedy, lawless, and violent.

[02:42:27] Yet they love to make a show of their religious zeal.

[02:42:31] Yeah.

[02:42:31] Sounds familiar.

[02:42:32] Yeah.

[02:42:33] Right.

[02:42:33] Yeah.

[02:42:33] Amos mocks them by urging them to offer their sacrifices daily.

[02:42:38] Normally, private citizens did this yearly.

[02:42:41] To offer their tithes every three days instead of every three years.

[02:42:45] Mm.

[02:42:46] To present their sacrifices with leaven, which was, of course, forbidden.

[02:42:50] Right.

[02:42:50] And to advertise their free will offerings instead of offering them privately.

[02:42:55] I see.

[02:42:56] So that was all that sarcastic stuff.

[02:42:58] He's like, yeah, go ahead.

[02:43:00] Yeah.

[02:43:00] Why don't you just, you know, go all out, fuckers?

[02:43:03] All right.

[02:43:04] So moving on to chapter five.

[02:43:06] Okay.

[02:43:07] Yep.

[02:43:07] This was about a call to repentance.

[02:43:10] This chapter contains a lamentation for Israel in the style of a funeral song.

[02:43:16] Yeah.

[02:43:20] And exhortation to repentance and God's rejection of their hypocritical service.

[02:43:26] Got it.

[02:43:26] Because they're, you know, lip service.

[02:43:28] They're faking.

[02:43:29] Sure.

[02:43:29] They're only saying the words, not the actions.

[02:43:32] Yeah.

[02:43:32] Right.

[02:43:32] So verse two reads, fallen is virgin Israel, never to rise again, deserted in her own land

[02:43:40] with no one to lift her up.

[02:43:42] Remember, we had questions like virgin the fuck?

[02:43:45] Right.

[02:43:45] Weird.

[02:43:45] Yeah.

[02:43:45] Yeah.

[02:43:46] So Amos saw Israel as a tragic young woman, fallen and forsaken with no one coming to

[02:43:53] her aid, carried off by death before she has experienced married life.

[02:43:58] In her rebellion against God, Israel was as helpless as a young woman among violent men.

[02:44:05] Hmm.

[02:44:06] Okay.

[02:44:06] Okay.

[02:44:06] So that's what that was about.

[02:44:08] Yeah.

[02:44:09] So then what God wants is not an increase in religious ceremonies, but a turning in heart

[02:44:15] and life toward him.

[02:44:17] Right.

[02:44:17] He does not want processions to religious holy places, which in any case are about to be destroyed.

[02:44:24] Sure.

[02:44:24] But the administration of civil justice that is fair to all.

[02:44:29] That sounds pretty.

[02:44:30] It's funny.

[02:44:30] So the early Bible, the first five books, right?

[02:44:36] Mm-hmm.

[02:44:37] The Pentateuch.

[02:44:38] Oh, yeah.

[02:44:39] They focused a lot on law and ceremony.

[02:44:43] That's why it's called the law.

[02:44:44] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[02:44:44] No, I get it.

[02:44:45] Right.

[02:44:45] So like back in those days, we were spelling out the law.

[02:44:50] We were delivering the rules and how to do these things.

[02:44:55] Right.

[02:44:56] Mm-hmm.

[02:44:56] But ever since that time in the Bible, it's been about how you feel about doing these things,

[02:45:05] how you do them in your heart and how it makes more emotional sense to you as opposed

[02:45:11] to the actual rules of it.

[02:45:15] I just find it interesting that you can literally see.

[02:45:18] And then the rest of the Bible is, and here's how they didn't follow them.

[02:45:21] Yeah, exactly.

[02:45:23] Exactly.

[02:45:23] Exactly.

[02:45:24] It's just that that's kind of how it's laid out.

[02:45:26] And I feel like, you know, with any set of rules, people are going to bend the rules

[02:45:33] and break the rules because why wouldn't you if there's no real, you know, punishment for

[02:45:39] it?

[02:45:39] Right.

[02:45:39] You know, like other than public chastisement, you know, that that would be the only thing

[02:45:44] that you maybe suffered would be if someone ridiculed you for doing something that they

[02:45:49] deemed wrong, which is still how it operates today.

[02:45:52] Right.

[02:45:52] So I don't know.

[02:45:53] I just it's funny how it all breaks down.

[02:45:55] Oh, that's really interesting because that actually reminds me of another thing that I

[02:46:00] read today online, which was a woman took a picture of this was like right before the

[02:46:09] election, like a day or two before the election.

[02:46:11] OK, this woman took a picture of a postal worker that was wearing a MAGA hat.

[02:46:15] And as soon as she whipped out her camera to take a picture of him, he whipped the hat

[02:46:20] off his head because, you know, hatch act.

[02:46:23] Right.

[02:46:23] And so she even said, you know, hatch act much.

[02:46:25] And so and the hatch act is where you can't advertise like that as a government employee.

[02:46:32] Yeah.

[02:46:33] Yeah.

[02:46:33] Yeah.

[02:46:33] Like stop being grotesque and breaking rules just because you have clearly gotten away with

[02:46:39] it as a white man all your life.

[02:46:41] Can you just not?

[02:46:42] Maybe.

[02:46:42] Sure.

[02:46:42] And so then, you know, she's like hatch act much.

[02:46:46] And then he's like, get a life lady.

[02:46:48] Because, you know, clearly she's the problem.

[02:46:50] Like, oh, my God, I can't believe you're being so pissy over such a small thing.

[02:46:55] And it's like, well, that's the mentality.

[02:46:57] If it was so small, sir, why didn't you just keep your head on loud and proud and not worry

[02:47:01] about it?

[02:47:02] Right.

[02:47:02] Was it small?

[02:47:03] Yeah.

[02:47:03] Was it small?

[02:47:04] I don't know.

[02:47:05] You're carrying fucking ballots that are being mailed in.

[02:47:07] Was it small?

[02:47:08] Right.

[02:47:08] You're representing the goddamn government.

[02:47:10] And we are hoping that you can at least we get that you're human.

[02:47:14] So you're not going to be fair.

[02:47:16] What we're hoping is that you can pretend to be fair, put on the show of being fair.

[02:47:21] And maybe some of you will even sometimes act fair.

[02:47:25] Sure.

[02:47:26] We know that you can't possibly be fair all the time.

[02:47:30] The hatch act means that we agree that we're going to pretend to, though.

[02:47:34] We're going to put on the show of being fair.

[02:47:37] Right.

[02:47:37] Right.

[02:47:37] But then when she posts this, like 99% of the comments were like, maybe you do need

[02:47:44] to get a life.

[02:47:45] Of course they were.

[02:47:46] Yeah.

[02:47:47] And can you guess which side these were all on?

[02:47:49] Trump's.

[02:47:50] Yeah.

[02:47:50] Except for some of the liberals that love to shoot people in the foot.

[02:47:54] Oh, God.

[02:47:54] They were like, well, I mean, to be fair.

[02:47:58] Right.

[02:47:58] And I'm like, can you fuck right the fuck off?

[02:48:01] Like, OK, I love being a liberal.

[02:48:04] I cannot stand a goddamn liberal who's going to shoot another liberal in the foot over

[02:48:10] something like that that actually fucking matters.

[02:48:14] Like, fuck off.

[02:48:15] OK?

[02:48:16] Sure.

[02:48:16] Fuck off.

[02:48:17] It matters.

[02:48:18] OK?

[02:48:19] This lady doesn't need to get a life.

[02:48:21] That guy was wrong.

[02:48:23] Yeah.

[02:48:23] So fuck off.

[02:48:26] Maybe maybe next week it won't be against the law anymore.

[02:48:29] OK?

[02:48:30] Probably not.

[02:48:30] But right now, today, it's still against the law to do that.

[02:48:34] And it fucking matters because you are supposed to pretend to be fair and you are not pretending

[02:48:41] to be fair.

[02:48:42] So fuck off.

[02:48:43] Right.

[02:48:44] Anyway, verse eight, moving on.

[02:48:47] Yeah.

[02:48:47] Reads, he who made the Pleiades and Orion, who turns midnight into dawn and darkens day

[02:48:53] into night, who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out over the face of the

[02:48:58] land.

[02:48:59] The Lord is his name.

[02:49:01] Yeah.

[02:49:01] Did you look up about the constellations?

[02:49:05] Yeah.

[02:49:05] I did.

[02:49:06] And apparently those folks named it all a long time ago.

[02:49:12] They knew about that shit.

[02:49:14] Oh, OK.

[02:49:14] OK.

[02:49:14] Yeah.

[02:49:15] So I'm going to read you a little bit of background about this.

[02:49:17] OK?

[02:49:18] Yeah.

[02:49:18] Yeah.

[02:49:18] So the Pleiades is an open star cluster, also known as the Seven Sisters, located in

[02:49:23] the northwest of the constellation Taurus.

[02:49:26] The name Pleiades comes from ancient Greek.

[02:49:29] As I thought.

[02:49:30] Yeah.

[02:49:30] It probably derives from the route to sail because of the cluster's importance in marking

[02:49:36] the sailing season in the Mediterranean Sea.

[02:49:39] OK.

[02:49:40] OK.

[02:49:40] In classical Greek mythology, the name was used for seven divine sisters called the Pleiades.

[02:49:47] In time, the name was said to be derived from that of a mythical mother, Plione, effectively

[02:49:52] meaning daughters of Plione.

[02:49:54] And that constellation is still affectionately known as the Seven Sisters.

[02:49:58] Yeah.

[02:49:59] Yeah.

[02:49:59] Yeah.

[02:49:59] So, but those, that was known way back.

[02:50:04] Like, the ancient Greeks were the ones who put this word, this wording, this belief system

[02:50:11] out there.

[02:50:11] So it's no surprise that it shows up in the Bible.

[02:50:14] The earliest known depiction of the Pleiades is likely a northern German Bronze Age artifact

[02:50:20] known as the Nebraska Sky Disc dated to approximately 1600 BCE.

[02:50:27] Hmm.

[02:50:28] OK.

[02:50:29] Cool.

[02:50:29] Yeah.

[02:50:29] The Babylonian star catalogs named the Pleiades Mul, capital M-U-L.

[02:50:37] OK.

[02:50:37] Which means stars or literally star star.

[02:50:41] And they had, they had the list of stars along the ecliptic, reflecting the fact that they

[02:50:48] were close to the point of the vernal equinox around the 23rd century BCE.

[02:50:54] Hmm.

[02:50:54] The ancient Egyptians may have used the names Followers and Aeneid in the prognosis texts

[02:51:01] of the Calendar of Lucky and Unlucky Days.

[02:51:05] OK.

[02:51:06] Apparently that's a document that exists or whatever you call their papyrus things.

[02:51:12] Right.

[02:51:13] So some Greek astronomers consider them to be a distinct constellation, and they are mentioned

[02:51:19] by Hesiod's Works and Days, Homer's Iliad and Odyssey, and the Geoponica.

[02:51:27] Geoponica.

[02:51:28] Sorry.

[02:51:28] OK.

[02:51:29] The Pleiades was the most well-known quote-unquote star among pre-Islamic Arabs, and so is often

[02:51:37] referred to simply as the star.

[02:51:40] OK.

[02:51:41] Pleiades and Orion are mentioned in the Book of Job even, which I don't know why we overlooked

[02:51:46] that because we've already read the Book of Job, but in verses 31 and 32, it reads,

[02:51:52] Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades?

[02:51:54] Can you loosen Orion's belt?

[02:51:56] Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons or lead out the bear with its cubs?

[02:52:02] Only a few stars and constellations are named individually in the Hebrew Bible, and their

[02:52:07] identification is not certain.

[02:52:09] The clearest references include Orion as a giant angel, the Pleiades, Aldebaran, Arcturus, or

[02:52:20] Sirius, the Hyades, which are the Pleiades's sisters, like it's a sister constellation.

[02:52:27] So the Hyades, Arcturus, or even the evening star, which is Venus when seen at dusk, or

[02:52:34] Ursa Major and Ursa Minor.

[02:52:36] So just to throw this out there too, so apparently the Greek names for those constellations were

[02:52:43] not actually used in the Bible.

[02:52:44] They were Hebrew names.

[02:52:46] Orion was called Kessel, and Pleiades is called Kema.

[02:52:51] OK.

[02:52:51] So I just thought I'd throw that in there real quick because part of my curiosity was...

[02:52:56] The actual word choice.

[02:52:57] Yeah, because it was Greek wording for the, you know, like in the Bible, which, you know,

[02:53:02] Greek origins anyway.

[02:53:03] So when you said the Kessel, is that?

[02:53:06] Kessel.

[02:53:07] Kessel.

[02:53:08] I think I read also that that was where Charon also had a similar base word from that or

[02:53:17] something that they were related.

[02:53:18] OK.

[02:53:19] I thought I read that.

[02:53:20] It could be right.

[02:53:20] Yeah.

[02:53:21] So aside from Earth, only two planets are named in the Hebrew Bible, and that would be

[02:53:26] Saturn and Venus.

[02:53:27] Interesting.

[02:53:28] Right?

[02:53:28] Yeah.

[02:53:28] All right.

[02:53:30] So when corrupt people are accused by the poor of being dishonest, they respond with

[02:53:35] increased hatred and cruelty.

[02:53:37] Of course they do.

[02:53:38] Moving on now.

[02:53:38] Yeah, yeah.

[02:53:39] They use their power to force the poor into greater hardship.

[02:53:43] Then with the money they have dishonestly gained, they build bigger and more luxurious houses

[02:53:49] and gardens.

[02:53:50] Yeah.

[02:53:51] They are able to do all this without fear of opposition because they bribe government officials

[02:53:56] and no one dares to speak out against them.

[02:53:58] Sounds so relevant, doesn't it?

[02:54:00] It really does.

[02:54:00] Yeah.

[02:54:01] Because I read that part of, not Project 2025, what was President Duda's, like his Project

[02:54:11] 45 or whatever that he called it after himself?

[02:54:14] Yeah, yeah.

[02:54:15] Part of his plan specifically is that he's going to illegalize homelessness across the country.

[02:54:25] Oh, my God.

[02:54:26] And he's going to say you have a choice between incarceration or these tent cities that they're

[02:54:34] going to set up on federal lands.

[02:54:37] Yeah.

[02:54:38] What?

[02:54:38] Yeah.

[02:54:38] And in these tent cities, you will receive, I forget what all it was, but you'll receive

[02:54:47] basically some kind of reprogram, like retraining program and perhaps sterilization and stuff.