Bible Study by Atheists Weekly: Daniel Apocrypha, Wrap up, Contradictions and Book Club

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Sacrilegious Discourse. For this is what the sovereign Lord says!

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Why do you need prophets to tell people who you are and what you want?

[00:00:07] [SPEAKER_02]: If you can justify everything that the God of the Bible has done,

[00:00:12] [SPEAKER_05]: then you can justify any of your behavior. A lot of this mentality is trickling into

[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_02]: what is now mainstream right wing Christianity. I am capable of empathy greater than this God of the Bible.

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_05]: This is a Bible that they tell kids this is the good Lord. This is the good book.

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_05]: This is he is band deciding about murder, mass murder!

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_04]: And over to Sacramentodiscourse.com right now I got how to leave a sort of you or some woody son patreon.

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Can't you do that? Do you know why you have a son in the middle?

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_00]: You have seen a son in the middle of a beautiful church in the sky and said,

[00:00:56] [SPEAKER_00]: well, a flick, a panic, a puzzle disc, a day. With their powerful forms,

[00:01:02] [SPEAKER_00]: both have the hardest-to-doflac, for deep and clean water.

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Just one thing that is the dream of being in the dream and the rest, that is what a machine does.

[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Because you always have your best, try the best discs from a puzzle.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_00]: And you will be able to find out who you are.

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Husband! Wife! Do you know what the hell we're doing today?

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we are in the midst of well going over Symmapakrafa.

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because we're dumb at the book of Daniel, but are we?

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_05]: But apparently not.

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Because there's three stories that were kind of left out,

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: but some bibles have them.

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Right. Well, at least as an extra added and sometimes some actually have them.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So we're talking about some consider them canon and some don't.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Right. Right. So it's a little muddled here.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. There are to what's in the Bible and what's not in the Bible.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly. And we decided to just go ahead and cover them this time.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Because one of them has a dragon and I was like, nope.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_02]: We got to read about the dragon.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_05]: And we're already here. We're in Daniel. Why not?

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Exactly.

[00:02:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I do want to address we've been gone for a few days.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_05]: We have. So did you want to tell the story as to why we're gone for a few days?

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm. Okay. So about a month ago, one of my teeth broke.

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. And then about a week ago, it started kind of hurting.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And then a couple days ago, I was like, oh fuck me.

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I heard so bad that it was like swelled in face and down my neck.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Not good. Not good. So we went to the ER.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: We went to the ER.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, just to just to preface this, we're in between insurance is why we didn't get this taken care of immediately in the first place.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Like I don't just sit around the house with a no gun to just for the fun of it.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Just wonderful US health care is what this is all.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Yeah. I was hoping that I could wait until husband's new insurance from his new job kicked in.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. To go get this taken care of.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_05]: But then he and you know, all the other things kicked in and said, nope. Sorry.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. So I've got antibiotics and steroids and vikin' in and shit.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. I've got a lot of stuff.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So much for that.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_05]: We just shared with everybody what we're doing.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I got an antibacterial mouthwash.

[00:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Like I got all kinds of good shit.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So now I'm going to an emergency dentist on Monday.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: We're recording this on a Sunday.

[00:03:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Right. Right.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah.

[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's where we were.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_05]: So we just finished up with Daniel.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_02]: We did.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_05]: And now today we're going to be reading.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Special Daniel.

[00:03:42] [SPEAKER_05]: What which is what?

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, today we're reading Susanna and the elders.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay. All right. You ready to do this?

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I sure. Fuck him.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's do it.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Okey-dokie.

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright. So we are hopping into an apocryphal tail of Daniel called Susanna and the elders.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Before you get into that, let me just preface this with saying that there are a lot of

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_02]: things.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_02]: There are three chapters not found in the Hebrew or aeromatic text of Daniel.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_02]: The text of these chapters is found in the septoagent, which is the Greek translation of the Bible.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And the three chapters are called Susanna and the elders, which is the one we're reading today

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_02]: and I'll tell you a little bit more about that in a second.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: The second one is the prayer of Azariah and the song of the three holy children.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_02]: That takes place when their kids are in the furnace.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the last one is Bell and the Dragon.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Excited about that one.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Is there any particular order or test to how these fall into this whole thing?

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I read them in order I did.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So Susanna and the elders takes place before Daniel chapter 1 verse 1.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a prologue in early Greek manuscripts.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And this episode along with Bell and the Dragon is one of the two earliest examples of a

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_02]: detective story.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Really?

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But don't get excited.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And ain't that good a mystery.

[00:05:12] Yeah.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_02]: The narrative is included in the book of Daniel by the Catholic Church, okay.

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_02]: The Oriental Orthodox Churches and the Eastern Orthodox Churches but it is placed in the

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Apocryph of by Protestants.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_09]: Got it.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Now some Protestant Bibles do include them at the end in their appendix.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Some include them as an appendix to the book of Psalms.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_02]: For whatever reason.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: The primary reason for the exclusion of Susanna and the elders from Protestant canon is the Protestant

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Reformation.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: The reformers rejected the Apocryphus part of their canon considering it as additions to the Hebrew

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Scriptures that lacked the same authority.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_02]: They were later additions.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So they were originally in Hebrew therefore they can't possibly be counted.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_09]: Got it.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Basically any time there was a reformation, they went with whatever was what they considered

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_02]: the authoritative version at that time.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it was the Greek.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it was the Latin.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It just depends on the time period.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Got it.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: But regardless this wasn't either so they were like fuck that all the way to Mars.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Got it.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_05]: And I believe the version that you found is out of the NRSV Bible, which is the new revised

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_05]: standard edition.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Is that correct?

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Just in case anybody's following along for.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_05]: We're not sure.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So the Annabaptist Lutheran's English and Methodist recorded as non canonical but useful for purposes of

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: edification.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're like this isn't part of the Bible, but we are not offended at its inclusion

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_02]: or in studying it as extra, like extra regular material because it does teach lessons

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_02]: that do not counter anything in the Bible.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So they don't find it offensive.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Got it.

[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_02]: The text is not included in the Jewish to knock and is not mentioned in early Jewish literature.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_02]: There is no historical evidence to confirm the existence of Susanna as a real person.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I know you'll be shocked to find that.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And not really know.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: The story is likely a fictional narrative designed to convey moral and theological messages.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Of course.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And the story is often interpreted as an allegory of innocence falsely accused and ultimately

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_02]: vindicated with divine intervention as a central theme.

[00:07:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to give that a little intro to each story like I've just done for Susanna.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So but now we're going to get into Susanna.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Got it.

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm about to read it.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_05]: No way.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to leave the story now.

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_05]: We are reading the story now.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_05]: It is just starting now.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Now comes the story.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Here goes some Susanna.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes it's called the full length of the story is called Susanna and the elders,

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: but often it's just shortened to Susanna.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what I've referred to as in my notes because it's just easier.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So Susanna, here we go.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Starting now.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: There was a man.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_05]: There's yeah.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes there is man.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a man.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_02]: There was a man.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Not like how the story starts.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It's about Susanna.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But no.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Let us talk about a man.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Living in Babylon whose name was Joaquimu.

[00:08:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_02]: He married the daughter of Hokaya named Susanna.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_02]: A very beautiful woman and one who feared the Lord.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Her parents were righteous and had trained their daughter according to the law of Moses.

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Joaquimu was very rich and had a fine garden at joining his house.

[00:09:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Is this not the Joaquimu?

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not a king.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a prince.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a guy.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_05]: What is it sounds like it was a nice name of one of the kings I thought was.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_05]: It was.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's not.

[00:09:12] [SPEAKER_02]: This is not the king.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Just clarifying.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: This is just a guy.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_05]: He was a guy.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_05]: A rich guy.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_05]: There was a man.

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a rich guy and he's got a fine garden and a beautiful wife.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_05]: That'll love those fine gardens.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_02]: The Jews used to come to him because he was the most honored of them all.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So I would imagine that means that they came to him for advice and probably for loans

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_02]: and shit like that because they said he was rich and had a nice garden.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they said they came to him.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That year, two elders from the people were appointed as judges.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Concerning them the Lord had said wickedness came forth from Babylon, from elders who were

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_02]: judges who were supposed to govern the people.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Mm-hmm.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_02]: These men were frequently at Wackeem's house and all who had a case to be tried came to

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_02]: them there.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:10:04] [SPEAKER_05]: So they went together sort of.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And they held court at this house.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Because he's got an ice card in the course.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I hate these guys.

[00:10:12] [SPEAKER_02]: They're so gross.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I hate them.

[00:10:14] [SPEAKER_02]: When the people left it noon, Susie and I would go into her husband's garden to walk.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Every day, the two elders used to see her going in and walking about and they began

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_02]: to lust for her, you know, as men do.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_02]: You see where this is going?

[00:10:31] Sure.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_02]: They suppressed their consciences and turned away their eyes from looking to heaven or remembering

[00:10:37] [SPEAKER_02]: their duty to administer justice.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: They forgot to keep their dicks tight.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: They forgot to zip their pants and keep their hands to them.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_02]: They forgot not to be lusty.

[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_02]: They forgot not to be turned on by a beautiful woman.

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_02]: They forgot.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_09]: They forgot.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_02]: They couldn't remember that just because you see a pretty girl doesn't mean you

[00:10:57] [SPEAKER_02]: have to rape her.

[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_02]: They forgot.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_05]: That's it.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Tarja remember.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes I guess according to the Bible.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just a dumb girl.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: What's I know.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that your dude does that seem to be true for you?

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You've never forgotten.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I've never forgotten.

[00:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_02]: You must be like the strength of God or something.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Apparently, because only the strength of atheists.

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So right.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_02]: These guys are supposed to be godly but they forgot.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Both were overwhelmed with passion for her but they did not tell each other of their

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_02]: distress.

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_02]: For they were ashamed as well they should be to disclose their disgusting

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_02]: lustful desire to seduce her.

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And where they say seduce, I read rape.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You say seduce, I say rape.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Seduce, rape, seduce, rape.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Day after day they watched eagerly to see her.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they did.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_02]: One day they said to each other, let us go home for it is time for lunch.

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_02]: But, so they both laughed and parted from each other.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But turning back, they met again.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And when each press the other for the reason, they confessed their lust.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_02]: This beautiful bitch over here, I just can't take my eyes off dead bodies though.

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I know right, look at that ass, dead ass.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I gotta hit that ass.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I would tap that.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I would hold what if we both did.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's the best.

[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I love me a good circle jerk where we take turns rape and a train on her.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_05]: He's just Christ.

[00:12:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Then together they arranged for a time when they could find her alone.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my God.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Because here we go.

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Once while they were watching for an opportune day, she went in as

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_02]: before with only two maids and wished to bathe in the garden for it was a hot day.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_02]: No one was there except the two elders who had hidden themselves and were watching her.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Because they're disgusting, huge, letches.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_02]: They're gross.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_02]: She said to her maids, bring me olive oil and ointments and shut the garden doors so that

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I can bathe.

[00:12:58] [SPEAKER_02]: They did as she told them.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_02]: They shut the doors of the garden and went out by the side doors to bring what they had

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: been commanded.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_02]: They did not see the elders because they were hiding.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_02]: When the maids had gone out, the two elders got up and ran to her.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh my God.

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_02]: They said, look, the garden doors are shut and no one can see us.

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_02]: We are burning with desire for you.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So give your consent and lie with us.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Let us rape you.

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Please let us rape you.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Can we please rape you?

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Say yes.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't fight us.

[00:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Let us rape you.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_02]: If you refuse, we will testify against you that a young man was with you and this

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_02]: was why you sent your maids away.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Let us rape you or we'll say that you fucked.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

[00:13:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Either way, you're fucked.

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Susanne agrowned and said, I'm completely trapped for if I do this, it will mean death

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_02]: for me.

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_02]: If I do not, I cannot escape your hands.

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I choose not to do it.

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I will fall into your hands rather than sin in the side of the Lord.

[00:13:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So she's like, no, if you're going to rape me, you're going to fucking rape me.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not giving my consent.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_02]: You're fox.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Then Susanne agrowned with a loud voice and the two elders shouted against her.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And one of them ran and opened the garden doors.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: When the people in the house heard the shouting in the garden, they rushed in at the

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_02]: side door to see what had happened to her.

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And when the elders told their story, the servants felt very much ashamed for nothing

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: like this had ever been said about Susanne.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_02]: But of course, who do you think they believed?

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_02]: They believe the men because men.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Because penis rage.

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_02]: We all know that men are disgusting and letgerous.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_02]: We talk about it.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a fucking joke.

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the Bible.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Why would you believe it?

[00:14:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Like the doors were locked.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_05]: They were outside.

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_05]: They came running as soon as she screamed and the only people in there were the elders.

[00:14:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Come on.

[00:14:49] [SPEAKER_05]: This is whatever.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, like I said, we've known throughout time that men are apparently disgusting

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_02]: and can't keep their hands to themselves.

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a joke that we talk about all the time how gross men are.

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_02]: But no, by all means, let us believe that.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_05]: The speaks way more to the misogyny of the time than it does to anything else.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:15:09] [SPEAKER_05]: The fact that the doors are locked, they're the only other two in there and they're

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_05]: going to believe them over her.

[00:15:16] [SPEAKER_05]: It speaks to how, I mean, look, we still have problems with this today.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, even more so back in those days.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Not only that, we, I think it's even worse today sometimes because

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_02]: we'll say, oh my God, they only raped you and you're going to ruin this young man's

[00:15:34] [SPEAKER_02]: life over over you being raped.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Just why would you ruin this man's life?

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_02]: He's got a scholarship that he's going to lose because of you being raped and calling

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: them out on it.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, it's so gross.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I hate it so much.

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_02]: The next day when the people gathered at the house of her husband, Joaquim, the two elders

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_02]: came full of their wicked plot to have Susanna put to death.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_02]: In the presence of the people, they said, seven for who's Susanna, daughter of Hilkaya,

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_02]: the wife of Joaquim, so they sent for her and she came with her parents or children

[00:16:08] [SPEAKER_02]: and all her relatives.

[00:16:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, Susanna was a woman of great refinement and beautiful and appearance as she was

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_02]: bailed.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_02]: The scoundrels ordered her to be unveiled so that they might feast their eyes on her

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_02]: beauty.

[00:16:20] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so that they can look at her one more time before they kill her.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[00:16:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Those who were with her and all who saw her were weeping, then the two elders stood up

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_02]: before the people and laid their hands on her head through her tears.

[00:16:34] [SPEAKER_02]: She looked up toward heaven for her heart trusted the Lord.

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: The elders said, well, we were walking in the garden alone.

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_02]: This woman came in with two maids shut the garden doors and dismissed the maids.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Then a young man who was hiding there came to her and lay with her.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_02]: We were in a corner of the garden and we saw this wickedness.

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_02]: We ran to them, although we saw them embracing, we could not hold the man because

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_02]: he was stronger than we are.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And he opened the door and got away.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_07]: Wow.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_02]: We did, however, seize this woman and ask who the young man was, but she would not tell

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_02]: us these things we testify.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you disgusting nasty dudes.

[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Your penises are gross and I hope they shrivel off.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Because they were elders of the people and judges,

[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_02]: they assembly believed them and you know, condemned her to death as you do.

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Then Suzanne, a cried out with a loud voice and said, Oh, internal God,

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_02]: you know what is secret and are aware of all things before they come to be.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_02]: You know that these men have given false evidence against me.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And now I am to die.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Though I have done none of the wicked things that they have charged against me.

[00:17:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I am curious.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_05]: What is God going to do here?

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Like if you don't stop it, you're your bad.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Wrong.

[00:17:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_05]: This is wrong.

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So the Lord heard her cry.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, okay.

[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Just as she was being let off to execution.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, he later have a heart attack first.

[00:18:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_02]: God stirred up the Holy Spirit of a young lad named Daniel.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, good old Daniel.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: We love Daniel.

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Young lad.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Young lad and he shouted with a loud voice, I want no part in shedding this woman's blood.

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Why would a young lad have any part in shedding?

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_05]: It was just because he was in the odd house.

[00:18:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so we're going to put it to death.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: We all the people turned him and asked, what the fuck are you saying?

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Taking his stand among them, he said, are you such bulls?

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Israelites as to condemn a daughter of Israel without examination and without learning

[00:18:35] [SPEAKER_02]: the facts, return the court for these fucking dudes have given false evidence against her.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So all the people who are he back.

[00:18:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And the rest of the elders said to him, come sit among us and inform us for God has given you the standing of an elder.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Mm.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Daniels why would they why would they why?

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_05]: He's he's not an out of the age of what they would consider a prophet at that point because

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_05]: prophets were like 30 plus I think usually something like that.

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_05]: And so he's a young kid.

[00:19:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And but maybe at this point he has been deemed in on the path.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, or something.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know like maybe he I mean, he already was a wise person and very godly.

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess like that's part of why he got kidnapped up to Babylon.

[00:19:21] [SPEAKER_05]: It just always bothers me that it feels like back in these times like a lot of justice

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_05]: quote unquote was done by somebody yelling out and you know, and then the crowd is easily

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_02]: swayed.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, set them free.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, burn the wedge.

[00:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're innocent.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, kill them.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Whatever's the most popular thing to do.

[00:19:40] [SPEAKER_02]: In that moment, that's what they owe.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Daniel said to them separate them far from each other and I will examine them.

[00:19:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's actually going to you know, ask some questions.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, okay.

[00:19:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody else thought of this.

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the first detective story.

[00:19:57] [SPEAKER_02]: The men separate questioning rooms.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Appreciate this.

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:20:01] [SPEAKER_02]: When they were separated from each other, he summoned one of them and said to him,

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_02]: you old relic of wicked days, your sins have now come home, which you have committed in the past,

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_02]: pronouncing unjust judgments condemning the innocent and equating the guilty.

[00:20:17] [SPEAKER_02]: The Lord said, you shall not put an innocent and righteous person to death.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Now then if you really saw this woman tell me this under what tree did you see them being

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_02]: intimate with each other?

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Mm-hmm.

[00:20:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Dude answered, under a mastick tree and Daniel said very well, this lie has cost you your

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_02]: head for the angel of God has received the sentence from God.

[00:20:42] [SPEAKER_02]: The angel of God, though the angel of God has received the sentence from God and will immediately

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_02]: cut you into.

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Then putting him to one side, he ordered them to bring the other and he said to him,

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_02]: you offspring of canin and not of Judah, beauty has been gilded you and lust has perverted

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_02]: your heart.

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_02]: This is how you've been treating the daughters of Israel and they were intimate with

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_02]: you through fear, but a daughter of Judah would not tolerate your wickedness.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Now then tell me under what tree did you catch them being intimate with each other?

[00:21:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Dude answered, under an evergreen oak.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, we got conflict in it now.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Daniel said to him, very well, this lie has cost you also your head for the angel of God

[00:21:28] [SPEAKER_02]: is waiting with his sword to split you into, so as to destroy you both.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Mm-hmm.

[00:21:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Then the whole assembly raised a great shout and blessed God who saves those who

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_02]: hope in him and they took action against the two elders because out of their own mouths,

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Daniel had convicted them of bearing false witness.

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_02]: They did to them as they have wickedly planned to do to their neighbor.

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Wow.

[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Acting in accordance with the law of Moses, they put them to death.

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Thus, innocent blood was spared that day.

[00:21:59] [SPEAKER_02]: He'll kaya and his wife praise God for their daughters, Susanna, and so did her husband

[00:22:04] [SPEAKER_02]: walk in and all her relatives because she was found innocent of a shameful deed.

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And from that day onwards, Daniel had a great reputation among the people.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_05]: E and that's awesome, I guess.

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_05]: But like, I feel like that was just like the bare minimum of due diligence, right?

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And you asked questions.

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Good job.

[00:22:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Right, but I feel like that wasn't done a lot back then.

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_05]: It just in general.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_02]: They make it seem like it wasn't.

[00:22:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Like women got a real raw deal when it came to a shed because they didn't really get

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_05]: much of a say and men pretty much got to tell whatever they wanted to tell and that's

[00:22:42] [SPEAKER_05]: the way it was.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Yep.

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Based on based on a lot of what I've heard throughout the Bible even, you know?

[00:22:46] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like the men get to change decide what happened.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

[00:22:51] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I appreciate that they did that, but I don't it's not like it happened a lot.

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, women got fucked over a lot.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And like the the bad part of that story is not just that justice prevailed.

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the bad part is that they were like, we're going to rape you or we're going

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_02]: to turn you in if you don't let us rape you for being a sexed up freak.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Like what those are my options?

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Fuck off.

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Like those were literally her options and if nobody had stood up because, you know, God ain't

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_02]: a thing.

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So if not one person had stood up, she was just going to die.

[00:23:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Because why?

[00:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Because she wouldn't fuck to nasty old dudes.

[00:23:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's basically what was going to happen there.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And I just I can't with that story.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_05]: The other thing I got to say here is that this Daniel character that they're talking

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_05]: about.

[00:23:53] [SPEAKER_05]: This is prior to, you know, prior to all the other things that were heard.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, the first thing that we heard in Daniel was him going into the service to become

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_05]: this, you know, important person as a child.

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:24:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Like we're talking about like 10 to 12 years old or something.

[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:24:11] [SPEAKER_05]: And so this had to happen before that, which means that this kid was pretty young when

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_05]: this happened according to the story, according to the whole, you know, canon of the characters.

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_05]: And so it's interesting that he was even given a place to stand and do this.

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_05]: But even if he was on a path to do these things, I find it a little questionable as

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_05]: to the legitimacy of this story and how it proceeded.

[00:24:36] [SPEAKER_05]: But again, I appreciate that they were able to not kill the woman who got, you know,

[00:24:42] [SPEAKER_05]: accused of rape and that's good.

[00:24:45] [SPEAKER_05]: That's, I mean, as stories go in the Bible, this one is not too horrible but it does

[00:24:50] [SPEAKER_05]: point out some problematic things that are recurring in those timeframes that we have seen

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_05]: throughout the Bible as well.

[00:24:59] [SPEAKER_05]: That did happen quite often.

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And that are still prevalent today in small town.

[00:25:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, definitely.

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, not just small town.

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, in America, in the world, in America, in the social societies.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because men are gross.

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Right, indeed.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_05]: So anyway, that was Susanna, Susanna.

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_05]: That was Susanna.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_05]: This is a pacrofuffer doing it.

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_02]: That was a pacrofuff, Susanna.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this was a pro- that thing that wife said.

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Susanna.

[00:25:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I would like to say this before we get out of here.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_05]: We are, and this is more for people who will listen to us on our patron channel because

[00:25:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I am going to be putting up a thing that at the beginning of our podcast, we'll tell

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_05]: that we're doing this.

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_05]: But we are going to be at the Kentucky Free Thought Convention coming up on September

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_05]: 7th.

[00:25:43] [SPEAKER_05]: We have a link on our main page right at the top of the page.

[00:25:47] [SPEAKER_05]: So we'd love for you to join us there.

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I think ticket started at $45.

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Seth Andrews will be there.

[00:25:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Liz Kavelle will be there.

[00:25:54] [SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of them on the ticket.

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll be there.

[00:25:56] [SPEAKER_05]: There's going to be a lot of people at that convention and we'd love to see you there.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Definitely if you get a chance to tell them why you're coming, telling them that we

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_05]: sent you.

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_05]: It looks good on us and stuff, so they won't win.

[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, I think is all we got for today?

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_05]: That's all we got for today.

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_05]: We're going back tomorrow with the prayer of Az'araya.

[00:26:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Alright, we'll see you guys then.

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah.

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_03]: That's been wife.

[00:26:28] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know what we're doing today?

[00:26:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Well yes.

[00:26:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Today we did Susanna, which was an apetcrop shuttle book of the Bible.

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_05]: for some bibles, not all, because apparently some bibles actually do have that in there.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_05]: And we're still kind of in this realm of Daniel where we're going over the sort of

[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_05]: apocryphal books of said book.

[00:26:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, yes.

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, is that about the just of it?

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of, yeah.

[00:26:58] [SPEAKER_05]: And last time we were early on in Daniel's life and he saved someone his life by making

[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_05]: sure that the people that tried to rape her got accused of the correct thing and then

[00:27:09] [SPEAKER_02]: the she didn't get accused of sleep in with a guy.

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, that she didn't sleep with just because she wouldn't consent to being raped by these two

[00:27:17] [SPEAKER_02]: ledges.

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Right, right.

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_05]: So that was Susanna and the elders and the elders, which means that today we're going

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_05]: into a new chapter, which would be what?

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_02]: The prayer of Azaria and song of the three holy children.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_05]: That is a mouthful.

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:27:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Most people just call it the prayer of Azaria.

[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_05]: The prayer of Azaria, okay?

[00:27:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Are you ready to get into this?

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, fuck am.

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_05]: All right, let's do it.

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, well like you said in the intro, we are still kind of in the book of Daniel.

[00:27:57] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[00:27:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And we are reading three chapters that were left out of most of the Bibles.

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_02]: They were not found in the Hebrew or Arameic texts of the book of Daniel.

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_02]: But they were in the set to a gent, which is the Greek translation.

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And the three chapters are Susanna in the elders, which we read yesterday and the prayer

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_02]: of Azaria and song of the three holy children, which we're reading today.

[00:28:27] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:28:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And Bell and the Dragon, which we will be covering tomorrow.

[00:28:31] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: This particular one, the prayer of Azaria and the song of the three holy children would

[00:28:39] [SPEAKER_02]: be found in Daniel chapter three.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And it would be verses 24, yeah, 24 through 90 in the Greek Septuagint.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_02]: They were removed from Protestant canon within the, it, it, it, it falls within the fiery

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_02]: furnace episode with the three buddies of Daniel are tossed into the fire.

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_02]: In some Greek Bibles, the prayer and the song do appear in an appendix to the

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_02]: book of the songs.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:29:13] [SPEAKER_02]: The prayer and accompanying song are not found in the Hebrew and Arameic text,

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_02]: which I already said, nor are they cited in any extent early Jewish writings.

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Got it.

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:29:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It is accepted as canonical by Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christians, but rejected

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_02]: by most Protestants as being non-cononical.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[00:29:36] [SPEAKER_02]: The origins of this particular story, Arb Schirer, most modern scholars conclude that

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_02]: there was probably an original Semitic edition of this story somewhere.

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_06]: Got it.

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_02]: They just don't know the where and why for.

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_02]: The date of composition of this particular story is also uncertain, although most

[00:29:58] [SPEAKER_02]: scholars favor a date either in the second or first century BCE.

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So let us get over to that story now.

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_02]: As a raya and well, this particular translation that I'm reading is called as a raya

[00:30:19] [SPEAKER_02]: and the three Jews.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, okay.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: But it is the same story.

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Got it.

[00:30:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_02]: They walked around to them in the midst of the flames, singing hymns to God and blessing

[00:30:32] [SPEAKER_02]: the Lord.

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Then as a raya stood still in the fire and prayed aloud.

[00:30:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are you, a Lord, God of our ancestors and worthy of praise and glorious is your name

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_02]: forever.

[00:30:45] [SPEAKER_02]: For you are just an all you have done.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_02]: All your works are true and your ways right and all your judgments are true.

[00:30:53] [SPEAKER_05]: So they're just partying it up in the fire there.

[00:30:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's what's going on here.

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you were called why they ended up in the fire in the first place.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, they were the people were complaining that they were not.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I kind of forget I guess.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I was there was a statue.

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And everybody was supposed to worship the statue and pray to the statue and bow to

[00:31:19] [SPEAKER_02]: the statue.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And these guys were like, no, but no.

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And they were like, well, fuck you then get into that fire.

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:31:27] [SPEAKER_05]: That's right.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_05]: And I knew what something would do with them not following directions of the Babylonians

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_05]: or whatever.

[00:31:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And therefore got thrown into the fire.

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And so they were like we believe in God and our God and that.

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And he may not save us, but we know he can if he so chooses.

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And so they went in willingly because they were like it's in his hands, not ours.

[00:31:51] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And so that happened.

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're in there singing it up now.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You have executed true judgments and all you have brought upon us in a ponderous alum,

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_02]: the holy city of our ancestors by a true judgment.

[00:32:06] [SPEAKER_02]: You have brought all this upon us because of our sins for we have sinned and

[00:32:11] [SPEAKER_02]: broken your law and turning away from you.

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Womp, womp, I hate it when we sinned.

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_02]: We're singing in the fire.

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_02]: La la la.

[00:32:19] [SPEAKER_05]: But they've been saved by like they're they're installing how their people have turned

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_05]: away from God and yet God is in the midst of saving them currently.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:32:31] [SPEAKER_02]: In all matters we have sinned grievously.

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Hated it.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_02]: We have not obeyed your commands.

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: We have not kept them or done what you have commanded us for our own good.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_02]: La la la I love the fire.

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard.

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_02]: La la la.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So all that you have brought upon us and all that you have done to us,

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_02]: you have done by a true judgment.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You have handed us over to our enemies,

[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_02]: lawless and hateful rebels into an unjust king,

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_02]: the most wicked in all the world.

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_02]: That's funny because we know a wicked or king comes later.

[00:33:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and also like they did a lot to make this king

[00:33:09] [SPEAKER_05]: uh, nebicnesor seem like seem like he was like, oh, this got as great.

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_05]: You know, they kind of set some nice things about them.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Because he found God later.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:33:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, in this book and yeah, right.

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_02]: In this book,

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_05]: yeah.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_02]: That they are singing.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.

[00:33:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And now we cannot open our mouths, you know,

[00:33:28] [SPEAKER_02]: because we're in the fucking fire.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_02]: La la la.

[00:33:30] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_02]: We are servants who worship you have become a shame

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_02]: and a reproach for your name, sake.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Do not give us up forever and do not

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: ennol your covenant.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Do not withdraw your mercy from us for the sake of Abraham,

[00:33:44] [SPEAKER_02]: your beloved and for the sake of your servant Isaac

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_02]: and Israel, your holy one to whom you promise to multiply their descendants

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_02]: like the stars of heaven and like the sand on the shore of the sea.

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, indeed, he did promise those things.

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_02]: The sand's in the stars.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:34:02] [SPEAKER_02]: For we, or Lord, have become fewer than any other nation.

[00:34:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, they did.

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's cut down.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And our brought low this day in all the world because of our sins

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_02]: and we're still dancing in the fire while we sing all the time.

[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, I mean, have they even been saved yet?

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Because the guys that brought the through the mind of the fire died

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_05]: as they were throwing them into the fire.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Because it was so hard.

[00:34:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Seems like a long way of you should be quicker about this.

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Because you might be dead already.

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_02]: They're just like La la la.

[00:34:31] [SPEAKER_02]: We're still dancing in the fire.

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Right, yeah.

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_02]: People die because it's so fucking hot, but not us singing.

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_02]: In our day we have no ruler or prophet or leader,

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_02]: no burnt offering or sacrifice or oblation or in sense.

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_02]: No place to make an offering before you and to find mercy.

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yet with a contrite heart and a humble spirit

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_02]: me, we be accepted as though it were with burnt offerings

[00:34:56] [SPEAKER_02]: of rams and bulls or with tens of thousands of fat lambs.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Such may our sacrifice be in your sight today

[00:35:04] [SPEAKER_02]: and may we unreservently follow you for no shame will come to those who trust in you.

[00:35:10] [SPEAKER_02]: La la la la la dancing in the fire.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Right, they also mentioned like this time frame is supposed to be around

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_05]: the beginning of the Babylonian exile, right?

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Ish that they're abouts, right?

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_01]: The story.

[00:35:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, which is also in the same time frame as Ezekiel.

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_05]: So, but they're saying that there's no prophets,

[00:35:29] [SPEAKER_05]: but there seems to be prophets same time frame.

[00:35:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Which you know, that does not match.

[00:35:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, Ezekiel.

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, but the prophets that they wouldn't know these prophets

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_02]: that were in Jerusalem as their in Babylon.

[00:35:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Right, but Ezekiel was in Babylon also.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he was.

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry.

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_05]: So that's right.

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like this doesn't make sense.

[00:35:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're right.

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You're right.

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And now with all our heart we follow you.

[00:35:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, God.

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_02]: We fear you and seek your presence.

[00:36:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Do not put us to shame but deal with us in your patience

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_02]: and then your abundant mercy.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Deliver us in a cord with your marvelous works

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_02]: and bring glory to your name, a Lord.

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_02]: La la la dancing in the fire.

[00:36:14] [SPEAKER_05]: That's that's a good prayer.

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_05]: That's what he really cares about bringing glory to his name.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Like your name is also my fucking love your name.

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty.

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Could you please save me?

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Let all who do harm to your servants be put to shame.

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Let them be disgraced and deprived of all power

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and let their strength be broken.

[00:36:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Let them know that you alone are the Lord God,

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_02]: glorious over the whole world.

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Now the King servant who threw them in

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_02]: kept stoking the furnace with not the pitch toe and brush wood.

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, but they just they'd said in the other chapter

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_05]: anybody they got near the flame died.

[00:36:55] Yep.

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_05]: So how is he doing that?

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. Okay.

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_02]: From afar.

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Got it.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_02]: They're throwing.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Throw anything like a hammer.

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Really nearly.

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Hell Mary.

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Catapult or something.

[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they got long pole sticks.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Catapults.

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_05]: There you go.

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And the flames poured out above the furnace.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_02]: 49 qubits.

[00:37:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Damn.

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Spread out and burn those chowdiens who were

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_02]: caught near the furnace.

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_02]: See?

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But the angel of the Lord came down into the furnace

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_02]: to be with Azariah and his companions

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_02]: and drove the fiery flame out of the furnace

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_02]: and made the inside of the furnace as though a moist wind

[00:37:31] [SPEAKER_02]: were whistling through it.

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, so maybe the reason that the people outside got burned was

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_05]: because of this angel.

[00:37:38] [SPEAKER_02]: They put the fire on the outside.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Remember later the king was like,

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_02]: what?

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought you only put three kids in there.

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And they were like, yeah.

[00:37:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, but I see four people.

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_02]: One of those shiny what?

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's the same.

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Joel Guy.

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_05]: That was a long prayer to get to the point

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_05]: where they got saved by the angel.

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You know?

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_02]: The fire did not touch them at all

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_02]: and caused them no pain or distress.

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_02]: La la la la la, dancing in the fire.

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Then the three with one voice praised and glorified

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_02]: and blessed God in the furnace.

[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are you, a Lord God of our ancestors

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_02]: and to be praised and highly exalted forever.

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And blessed is your glorious holy name

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_02]: and to be highly praised and highly exalted for ever.

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[00:38:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are you in the temple of your holy glory

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and to be extolled and highly glorified forever.

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Highly glorified.

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Highly, highly, highly.

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It's so fucking hot.

[00:38:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Highly la la la.

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Scott is like the best God of all the gods and the best.

[00:38:44] [SPEAKER_04]: He's the best God of God.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_04]: God there is.

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So, God of God, God God.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are you who look into the depths

[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_02]: from your throne on the charibum

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_02]: and to be praised and highly exalted forever.

[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are you on the throne of your kingdom

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_02]: and to be extolled and highly exalted forever.

[00:39:01] [SPEAKER_04]: Holy shit, this is a lot of fucking praise.

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are you in the firmament of heaven

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and to be sung and glorified forever.

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Good God.

[00:39:09] [SPEAKER_02]: La la la la la, dancing in the fire.

[00:39:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you like my little addition?

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Great, great.

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I keep adding between each verse.

[00:39:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are the Lord, all the works,

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_02]: all you works of the Lord,

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_02]: sing praise to him and highly exalt him forever.

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are the Lord, you heavens,

[00:39:26] [SPEAKER_02]: sing praise to him and highly exalt him forever.

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh my God.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: All the forever, forever, ever.

[00:39:32] [SPEAKER_05]: This is insane.

[00:39:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are the Lord,

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_02]: yet angels are the Lord,

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_02]: sing praise to him and highly exalt him forever.

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are the Lord, all you waters above the heavens,

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_02]: sing praise to him and highly exalt him forever.

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are the Lord, all you powers of the Lord,

[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_02]: sing praise to him and highly exalt him forever.

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_04]: All you powers of the Lord?

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Lord, exalt the Lord because the Lord is the Lord

[00:39:57] [SPEAKER_02]: and Lord, Lord, Lord, Lord.

[00:40:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I God.

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Dancing in the fire, la la la la la la.

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, yeah.

[00:40:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are the Lord,

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_02]: son of moons,

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_02]: sing praise to him and highly exalt him forever.

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are the Lord, stars of heaven,

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_02]: sing praise to him and highly exalt him forever.

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are the Lord, all rain and dew,

[00:40:19] [SPEAKER_02]: sing praise to him and highly exalt him forever.

[00:40:22] [SPEAKER_07]: Forever.

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are the Lord, all you winds sing praise to him

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_02]: and highly exalt him forever.

[00:40:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed are the Lord, fire and heat.

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Sing praise to him and highly exalt him forever.

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed the Lord, winter cold and summer heat,

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_02]: sing praise to him and highly exalt him.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_05]: And not forever.

[00:40:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Forever.

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed the Lord, do's and falling snow.

[00:40:47] [SPEAKER_05]: You say, do's before they said this would do.

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And she said,

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_02]: when to cold and summer heat.

[00:40:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Now we've got do's and falling snow.

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Sing praise to him and highly exalt him.

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Forever.

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed the Lord, night's and days.

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Sing praise to him and highly exalt him.

[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Forever.

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed the Lord, night and darkness

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_02]: sing praise to him and highly exalt him.

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed the Lord, I sang cold.

[00:41:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Sing praise to him and highly exalt him.

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Forever.

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed the Lord, cross and snow.

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_05]: This is just fucking boring.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Sing praise to him and highly exalt him.

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Blessed the Lord, light things and clouds.

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Sing praise to him and highly exalt him.

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Forever.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Let the earth.

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Bless the Lord.

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what is he praised him and highly exult him?

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Forever.

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Bless the Lord.

[00:41:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Mountain's and Hills.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_02]: He praised him and highly exult him.

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_05]: But make sure you don't do it from a high place as but forever.

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Bless the Lord.

[00:41:48] [SPEAKER_02]: All that grows in the ground.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And the green grass grows all around all of that.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_04]: It does.

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Sing praise to him and highly exult him.

[00:41:54] [SPEAKER_04]: Forever.

[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Bless the Lord.

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Sees and rivers.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Sing praise to him and highly exult him.

[00:42:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Forever.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Bless the Lord.

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You springs.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Sing praise to him and highly exult him.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Forever.

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Bless the Lord.

[00:42:08] [SPEAKER_02]: You're way else and all that swim in the waters.

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Sing praise to him and highly exult him.

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Forever.

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Bless the Lord.

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_02]: All birds of the air.

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Sing praise to him and highly exult him.

[00:42:19] [SPEAKER_05]: This fucking thing goes on forever.

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Bless the Lord.

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_02]: All wild animals and cattle.

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Sing praise to him and highly exult him.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_05]: So a lot of forever.

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I know.

[00:42:32] [SPEAKER_05]: The forever's are going on forever.

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[00:42:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Look, when I was scrolling through this, I was like, oh, they seem long at all.

[00:42:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But boy, I didn't even know did I?

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know.

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it goes.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:42:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Here we go, right off.

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_06]: I'm ready.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Bless the Lord.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_02]: All people on earth.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Sing praise to him and highly exult him.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Bless the Lord.

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Is real?

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Sing praise to him and highly exult him.

[00:42:55] [SPEAKER_07]: Forever.

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Bless the Lord.

[00:42:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You're priests of the Lord.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Sing praise to him and highly exult him.

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Forever.

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Bless the Lord.

[00:43:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You're servants of the Lord.

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Sing praise to him and highly exult him.

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Bless the Lord.

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Spirits and souls of the righteous.

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Sing praise to him and highly exult him.

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Or fucking ever.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Bless the Lord.

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You who are holy and humble in the heart.

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Sing praise to him and highly exult him.

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we're on the last bed.

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, fuck.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Great.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Bless the Lord.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Hannah and Ia Azariah and Michelle.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Sing praise to him and highly exult him.

[00:43:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Forever.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_02]: That's us.

[00:43:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm singing to us.

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_02]: We're dancing in the fire.

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_02]: La la la la.

[00:43:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Us.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Praise them.

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Us.

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_02]: For he has rescued us from.

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Hades and saved us from the power of death.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Wait, Hades.

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_02]: That's some Greek shit right there.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Wait, let the fuck.

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Seed us from the power of death and delivered us from the midst of the burning fiery furnace.

[00:43:55] [SPEAKER_02]: From the midst of the fire, he has delivered us.

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Give thanks to the Lord for he is good for his mercy and jurors forever.

[00:44:04] [SPEAKER_02]: All who worship the Lord bless the God of God's.

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Sing praise to him and give thanks to him for his mercy and jurors.

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Or fucking ever.

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And holy shit.

[00:44:16] [SPEAKER_05]: That was just I see why it was maybe going in the end of like,

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, you said songs or something like that as where it was placed in some places.

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's okay.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess it's kind of like poetic ish because of the forever over and over again.

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_05]: And the highly exalted and the whatever.

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_05]: But man, we've talked about this with the books Damien before, but there is a lot of extra praise.

[00:44:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Pointed at this God of theirs.

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_01]: God God, he's sweet.

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_05]: It's almost seconding the amount of like,

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_05]: they're trying to produce for him, right?

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And given the timeframe because this is like about it's in the 200 BCE time frames,

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_05]: which they were rebuilding Jerusalem in like 165 after they got rid of what's his face and

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_05]: in.

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, a piffinies and a tycoon's piffinies, right?

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_05]: So I feel like this was them like, yay, we better praise our God more because we got

[00:45:15] [SPEAKER_05]: our place back and we're going to keep him forever.

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_05]: And there's just all this like extra praise happening to like make sure they solidify

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_05]: their God's place, right?

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's really, really hard to stomach.

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_05]: It really is.

[00:45:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Like guys have you read your own book because your God's kind of a dick.

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_02]: He's very much a dick.

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Really, he kind of sent you to where you were anyway.

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And then you had to figure out a way to get your your place back.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know that he deserves this much praise, but you know, whatever.

[00:45:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Glad you didn't burn up in the fire.

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this passage, if you break it down like story wise,

[00:45:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It normally has three main components is how they break it down when they're doing like literary

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_02]: analysis of it.

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:46:05] [SPEAKER_02]: The first part is the penitential prayer of Daniel's friend as a raya while the three youths were in the fiery furnace.

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's like, hey, help.

[00:46:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And the second component is like the two sentences a brief account of a radiant figure

[00:46:21] [SPEAKER_02]: who met them in the furnace yet who was unburned.

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was so brief.

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_02]: The third component is that long ass ending the him of praise that they sing when they realize

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_02]: their deliverance got it.

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_02]: The him includes the free frame, praise and exult him above all forever, repeated many, many times.

[00:46:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Each naming a feature of the world.

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_07]: And I recall, you just read it.

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_07]: And yeah.

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like why some of the faiths include this as extracurricular activity that they approve of and why even some do consider it canonical because it is so not just it's not just not in disagreement with the rest.

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:47:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It actually is more hand in hand with what they would like you to be.

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Now I do, there is some questions I would have with regard to the, you know, the right image because they brought up Hades.

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that was my first question.

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_05]: And and yes, there is talk in the Bible of God creating all the heavens and the earth and all this kind of stuff but the specific thing like having the stars and the do and the all the natural sun and the moon give thanks as you know.

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_05]: And that's the things that exist to this God.

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we haven't done that in a while.

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Those things feel a little bit more pagan and idea than some of the other ideas that we've read about in the little somewhat now I think earlier on they were more.

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_05]: They were closer to that but like this was in the later books that we've read.

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_05]: This is as close as we've gotten to it and those in this timeframe.

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It kind of you can see why it's accepted by some but you can also see why others are like, oh absolutely not right get that stuff out of here this is not okay.

[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So that means it could have interesting where you can see both sides.

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure definitely.

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_05]: But so that was what was this one called again as a raya and the prey song.

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_05]: The prey song thing.

[00:48:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Wow, that was very specific.

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_02]: The prayer of a raya and song of the three holy children.

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Or as it's called in the translation that I read.

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:48:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me scroll back up to the top.

[00:48:42] [SPEAKER_05]: That's the prayer of a raya and the three Jews.

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_02]: As a raya and the three Jews.

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, as a raya and the three Jews.

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Got it.

[00:48:48] [SPEAKER_05]: So that's the end of this one and then we'll be back tomorrow with.

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Bell and the dragon.

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Awesome.

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_05]: And then that will finish us up with the apocryphal books of Daniel Craig.

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it will.

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Once we finish tomorrow's.

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we will see you guys then.

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Bye.

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Have been wife.

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know what we're doing today?

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, yesterday we read the prayer of a raya which was one of the apocryphal books

[00:49:17] [SPEAKER_05]: of Daniel for some.

[00:49:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Bibles for some reading.

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_05]: So it and that being that's not in all Bible.

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_05]: So we didn't necessarily need to read this as part of our Bible.

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_05]: But we figured since it is in some we wanted to go ahead and do that.

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And in that book or that chapter, they went on forever.

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_05]: And they praise God a lot and all the things that earth the do the snow.

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's in chapter three when.

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Do homeboys were tossed into the front.

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, they were in the fire.

[00:49:55] [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, they were dancing around and then they were like, hey, we suck.

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_05]: God forgive us for sucking.

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_05]: And then they went on to extol all the things and all the things that the grass even

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_05]: praise God.

[00:50:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, and the son and the moon and the spring.

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was a lot of it was very repetitive and very.

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_05]: So that was the prayer of a raya which means that today we're going to be finishing up our book of Daniel.

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_05]: And then moving into our regular schedule to you know, end of book of Daniel stuff with.

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Bell and the dragon.

[00:50:33] [SPEAKER_04]: All right, let's do this.

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, okay.

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, as you stated in the intro, we are reading three apocryphal chapters of Daniel.

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_02]: We are which apocryphal means that they are not included.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes sometimes.

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Depending on which Bible we're talking about.

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, they are not included in Jewish or Protestant Bibles, but they are accepted as canon by some Catholic

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Bibles.

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And even when they're not accepted as canon, sometimes the stories do still appear in an appendix

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_02]: of the Bible.

[00:51:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Some Protestant Bibles have an apocryphal appendix.

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_02]: See, see that these stories appear in.

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because they aren't exactly radical.

[00:51:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_05]: They're just not accepted as the you know, the story that they want to tell in the Bible.

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So which is weird considering the things that they did decide get to stick around.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But these were later additions to Daniel.

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_05]: And they weren't exactly.

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_05]: They didn't fit them old for what these certain groups wanted to put.

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Like they had to have certain criteria that fit.

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, that's the one end of their Bible.

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they did.

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Which whatever.

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_02]: That's I don't care.

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So these three chapters are not found in the Hebrew or Aramaic texts of Daniel and the text

[00:52:01] [SPEAKER_02]: of these chapters is found in the Septuagint which is the Greek translation.

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_02]: The first one we read was Susanna and the elders.

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the one that we read yesterday was the prayer of Azaria and song of the three

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_02]: children.

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And the one we're reading today is Bell and the dragon.

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And Bell, it's funny.

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_02]: We're asking me how to spell it.

[00:52:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And you thought it was like a girl's name like B.E. L.L.E.

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_02]: There's something like that.

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's more like the God Bell.

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So think L.B.E.L.

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not like a girl in a dragon which is like the picture that I had in my mind when I was thinking of Bell and the dragon.

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You know like a maiden and distress right?

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_02]: A damsel but no it's not.

[00:52:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So this one falls after Daniel chapter 12 verse 13 in the Septuagint and is an epilogue.

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:52:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So Bell and the dragon is believed to have been written between the third and first centuries

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_02]: B.C.E.

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Likely around the time that Daniel was being translated from Hebrew to Greek.

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_09]: Got it.

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_02]: The Greek version dates back to 100 B.C.E but the Hebrew version may be even older than that.

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_02]: However this chapter was unknown to early rabbinic Judaism.

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So we're as usual not quite sure what came from where.

[00:53:28] [SPEAKER_02]: While it is considered non-canonical by most Protestants, it is canonical to Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Christians.

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a Greek apocryphal story that parodies Babylonian gods and aims to discredit them.

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Interesting.

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was interesting.

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_02]: This version of the story that we're about to read has been cited as an ancestor of the locked room mystery.

[00:53:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Remember I told you that this one and the first one that we read Susanna were considered two of the earliest mysteries?

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:54:05] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the other one.

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And are you familiar with a locked room mystery?

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Not specifically.

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It's you're in a room you're murdered but the room is locked.

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_02]: How did it happen?

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, okay.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_02]: If you know the doors were not jammed and the windows aren't broken.

[00:54:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[00:54:22] [SPEAKER_02]: How did the murderer occur?

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So we are going to go read this now and then I'll have some more notes after.

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So Belle and the dragon.

[00:54:34] [SPEAKER_06]: Got it.

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_02]: When King Astygia Gs.

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Sure, that guy.

[00:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Was laid to rest with his ancestors.

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Cyprus the Persian succeeded to this kingdom.

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[00:54:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Daniel was a companion of the King and was the most honored of all his friends.

[00:54:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Now the Babylonians had an idol called Belle, B.E.L.

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And every day they provided for it 12 bushels of choice, flower and 40 sheep and six

[00:55:02] [SPEAKER_02]: measures of wine.

[00:55:04] [SPEAKER_02]: The King revered it and went every day to worship it.

[00:55:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But Daniel worshiped his own God.

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So the King said to him, why do you not worship Belle?

[00:55:13] [SPEAKER_02]: He answered, uh, because I do not revere idols made with hands but the living God who created

[00:55:20] [SPEAKER_02]: heaven and earth and has dominion over all living creatures.

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, duh.

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Your dude is a statue stupid.

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, they did put a lot of emphasis on the the ark of the covenant and so I don't

[00:55:34] [SPEAKER_02]: want to hear your shit Daniel.

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just saying there has been some things that were built in their gods.

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you know, you all did some idol in two Daniels.

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So don't be so up.

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:55:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:55:45] [SPEAKER_02]: The King said to him, uh, do you not think that Belle is a living God?

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you not see how much he eats and drinks every day?

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Hello.

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And Daniel laughed and said, do not be deceived.

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_02]: O King for this thing is only clay inside and bronze outside and it never ate or

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_05]: drink anything much like the sacrifices you give to your living God.

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Daniel is so funny, isn't it?

[00:56:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm like, yes, I agree with you.

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It is just the statue.

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So what do y'all do with with with what what the fuck is your your sacrifice is no one's

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_05]: he and that shitty though.

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And that priest exactly.

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Then the King was angry and called the priests of Belle and said to them, if you do

[00:56:26] [SPEAKER_02]: not tell me who is eating these provisions, you shall die.

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But if you prove that Belle is eating them, Daniel shall die because he has spoken

[00:56:35] [SPEAKER_02]: blasphemy against Belle.

[00:56:38] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, okay.

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And you'll said to the King, let it be done as you've said, what of you?

[00:56:42] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_02]: You like do what you got to do?

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[00:56:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Now there were 70 priests of Belle besides their wives and children.

[00:56:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So the King went with Daniel into the temple of Belle.

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_02]: The priest of Belle said, see we are now going outside.

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You yourself, O King, set out the food and prepare the wine and shut the door and seal

[00:57:03] [SPEAKER_02]: it with your signet.

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_02]: When you return in the morning, if you do not find that Belle has eaten it all, we will

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_02]: die.

[00:57:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise, Daniel, who is telling lies about us.

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[00:57:15] [SPEAKER_02]: They were unconcerned for beneath the table, they had made a hidden entrance.

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Oh, of course they did.

[00:57:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Through which they used to go in regularly and consume the provisions.

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.

[00:57:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Not just them but their whole family.

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:57:27] [SPEAKER_02]: After they had gone out, the King set out the food for Belle.

[00:57:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Then Daniel ordered his servants to bring ashes and they scattered them through the whole

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_02]: temple and the presence of the King alone.

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:57:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Only the King knew about the ashes.

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:57:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Then they went out, shut the door and sealed it with the King's signet and departed.

[00:57:48] [SPEAKER_02]: During the night, the priest came as usual with their wives and children and they drank

[00:57:52] [SPEAKER_02]: everything.

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Early in the morning, the King rose and came and Daniel with him.

[00:57:57] [SPEAKER_02]: The King said, are the seals unbroken, Daniel?

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_02]: He answered, they are unbroken, O King.

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_02]: As soon as the doors were open, the King looked at the table and shouted in a loud voice,

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_02]: you were great, O Belle.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you there is no to see to it all.

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I love God.

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_02]: But Daniel laughed and restrained the King from going in.

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Look at the floor stupid.

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_02]: He said he didn't call him stupid.

[00:58:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I called him stupid.

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And notice whose footprints these are.

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_02]: The King said, I see the footprints of men and women and children.

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you didn't look and see the fucking ashes on the floor until I told you

[00:58:39] [SPEAKER_02]: to though, huh?

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_02]: You're still there.

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Even though we did this for a reason.

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_05]: In your presence.

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[00:58:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Boy, you King, nothing.

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_02]: No flies on you.

[00:58:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Then the King was in rage and he arrested the priests and their wives and children.

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_02]: They showed him the secret doors to which they used to enter to consume what was on

[00:59:00] [SPEAKER_02]: table.

[00:59:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Therefore, the King put them to death and gave Bell over to Daniel who destroyed it

[00:59:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and the temple.

[00:59:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Now in that place there was a great dragon which the Babylonians revered.

[00:59:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I know, right?

[00:59:13] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure there was.

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Just there in the temple.

[00:59:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, by the way, we had this statue.

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_02]: We thought it was a God just kidding.

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not.

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and by the way, by the way, there's a dragon.

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:59:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:59:27] [SPEAKER_02]: The King said to Daniel, you cannot deny that this is a living God.

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So worship him.

[00:59:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So he first he showed him a statue and Daniel was like, no, I have a living God.

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So then the King is like, well, wait, this is a...

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_05]: We have an actual dragon.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a living God.

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:59:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's living.

[00:59:47] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a fucking dragon.

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Daniel said, hmm, I worship the Lord my God for He is the living God but give me permission

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_02]: and no king and I will kill the dragon without sword or club.

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: The King said, give you permission.

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, okay.

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Like yeah, kill the dragon whatever.

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_09]: Right.

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Then Daniel took pitch, fat and hair and boiled them together and made cakes which he fed

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_02]: to the dragon.

[01:00:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:00:15] [SPEAKER_02]: The dragon ate them and burst open.

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Then Daniel said, see what you've been worshiping when the Babylonians heard

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_05]: He fed the thing something it couldn't eat and it blew up like a birdwood.

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but it...

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:00:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not a God, it's just an animal.

[01:00:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Right, it's a man you killed a fucking mythical...

[01:00:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we would consider mythical feature.

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_05]: So yay.

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes?

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm gonna guess it was probably like a crock of Gator.

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You know?

[01:00:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna guess it didn't exist at all.

[01:00:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Daniel is fucking mythical himself.

[01:00:51] [SPEAKER_02]: That is true.

[01:00:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But be that as it may they have discussed like quote unquote sea creatures and monsters

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: and stuff that turned out to be fucking alligators and crocodiles.

[01:01:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what I'm going with.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_02]: If anything similar to the story ever happened, that's what it was.

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Sure.

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_02]: When the Babylonians heard about it, they were very indignant and conspired against the

[01:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: King saying the King has become a Jew.

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_02]: He has destroyed Bell and killed the dragon and slaughtered the priests.

[01:01:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Going to the King, they said,

[01:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: hey Daniel over to us or else we will kill you and your household.

[01:01:27] [SPEAKER_09]: Mm-hmm.

[01:01:28] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the old.

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I'm sorry.

[01:01:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you speak back, say what?

[01:01:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm looking around and I'm the King.

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[01:01:35] [SPEAKER_07]: So yeah.

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Eat my whole entire ass, yo.

[01:01:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: The King saw that they were present him hard and under compulsion he handed Daniel

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_02]: over to them because that's very kingly.

[01:01:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_08]: No.

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That's not that would go.

[01:01:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That's not how a King does.

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_02]: He would be like, hmm, I did put the priest to death but I seem to still have my

[01:01:57] [SPEAKER_02]: guards.

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Fuck these dudes right here.

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: They threw Daniel into the lion's den.

[01:02:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember.

[01:02:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And he was there for six days this time.

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Six days.

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Got it.

[01:02:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Well you knew the good hiding spot already.

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[01:02:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:02:12] [SPEAKER_02]: There were seven lions in the den and every day they had been given two human bodies

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_02]: and two sheep.

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But now they were given nothing so that they would devour Daniel.

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Sure.

[01:02:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Now the prophet Habakkuk, which that's a name that is Book of the Bible that we

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_02]: will be reading at some point.

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[01:02:33] [SPEAKER_05]: So this Habakkuk guy is an actual like prophet of the Lord type person.

[01:02:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:02:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember if he's one of the minor prophets that we're about to be reading or

[01:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: if he's one of the apocryphal guys that we will be reading at some point.

[01:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: He's in there somewhere.

[01:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: He is a guy.

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, and he's a prophet.

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: He was in Judea.

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: He had made a stew and had broken bread into a bowl and was going into the field to

[01:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: take it to the reapers.

[01:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: But the angel of the Lord, you know the angel.

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_02]: He's walking around when he's not being held up by fucking demons or whatever.

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:03:12] [SPEAKER_02]: He said to Habakkuk, take the food that you have to Babylon to Daniel in the

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: lion's den.

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Habakkuk said, Sir, I have never seen Babylon and I know nothing about the den.

[01:03:25] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: The fuck.

[01:03:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Then the angel of the Lord took him by the crown of his head, which he fucking pulled

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_02]: him, pulled his hair and was like, come here stupid.

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And carried him by his hair with the speed of the way.

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he went down and Babylon right over the den.

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Here, no, do you see it?

[01:03:47] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a very uncomfortable way to travel.

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, can you not?

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:03:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't trying to be rude.

[01:03:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I just, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry GPS didn't be invented yet.

[01:03:58] [SPEAKER_05]: Did you have to carry a fucking hair?

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[01:04:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, here's my hand.

[01:04:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Or magic me.

[01:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, or crux much.

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Then have a cook shouted Daniel Daniel.

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Take the food that God has sent you.

[01:04:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Wait, how does he even know Daniels there?

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess God told him or the angel of the Lord or whatever told him?

[01:04:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he said, take the food that you have to Babylon to Daniel to the Lion's den

[01:04:24] [SPEAKER_02]: and have a cook like, Sir, what the fuck you talking about?

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[01:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: What's the den?

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_05]: What's the Lion's den?

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_05]: What's the Babylon?

[01:04:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So the angel picked him up by his hair, carried him over there and was like, here's stupid.

[01:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And so then he's like, what Daniel?

[01:04:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Here's some shit.

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Daniel said, you will remember me, oh God and have not forsaken those who

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: love you.

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So Daniel got up in eight and the angel of God immediately returned to have a cook

[01:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: to his own place.

[01:04:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if he pulled him by his hair again.

[01:04:56] [SPEAKER_02]: On the seventh day, the king came to mourn for Daniel when he came to the

[01:04:59] [SPEAKER_02]: denny looked in and there's that Daniel?

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_02]: What up?

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[01:05:03] [SPEAKER_02]: The king shouted what the loud voice, you are great.

[01:05:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh Lord, the God of Daniel.

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_02]: There is no other beside you.

[01:05:10] [SPEAKER_05]: As he said, well, no way, no that was a never-canner to this.

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this is Cyrus.

[01:05:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Then he pulled Daniel out and threw into the den those who had attempted his destruction.

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Why didn't he just do that in the first place?

[01:05:21] [SPEAKER_05]: He was already impressed with Daniel's God.

[01:05:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Why instead of like bowing to what they wanted, why didn't he just do that if he had

[01:05:29] [SPEAKER_05]: the power to do that?

[01:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: He's clearly a weak piece of shit.

[01:05:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Apparently.

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, he threw into the den those who had attempted his destruction and they

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_02]: were instantly eaten before his eyes.

[01:05:40] [SPEAKER_02]: The end.

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:05:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So this version has been cited as an ancestor of the locked room mystery, which I

[01:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: said.

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometime after the temple's condemnation, the Babylonians worshiped the dragon.

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay?

[01:05:55] [SPEAKER_02]: The king says that unlike Bell, the dragon is a clear example of a live animal.

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Daniel promises to slay the dragon without the aid of a sword and does so by baking

[01:06:05] [SPEAKER_02]: a picture that in here to make cakes that caused the dragon to burst open upon consumption.

[01:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: The reason I'm repeating that is because in other variants, other ingredients serve this

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: purpose.

[01:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So there's more than one, there's different kinds of blood to the story.

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_02]: In a form known to the mid-rash, straw was fed in which nails were hidden or skins

[01:06:29] [SPEAKER_02]: of camel were filled with hot coals.

[01:06:32] [SPEAKER_04]: I see.

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[01:06:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And a similar story occurs in Persian poetry where Alexander the Grey or Iskander,

[01:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: as he's known, kills a dragon by feeding it cow's hide stuffed with poison and tar.

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I see.

[01:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So the end.

[01:06:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Got it.

[01:06:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:06:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not really sure what to say about that.

[01:06:58] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like why do we have two lying then stories about Daniel?

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_05]: That's really overkill.

[01:07:04] [SPEAKER_02]: They clearly picked one and were like, no, this is overkill.

[01:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: You get one lying's done story.

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I mean, yeah, there's definitely too many lying's done.

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:07:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's two too many but we'll allow one.

[01:07:18] [SPEAKER_05]: But again, I mean, the story much like the other stories in Daniel is again trying to get

[01:07:24] [SPEAKER_05]: these these leaders that had conquered them to admit the wonderfulness and

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_05]: and viability of their God, right?

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:07:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Not just is our God great but yours is fake and dumb.

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It's two separate things they're trying for here.

[01:07:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And we talked about this all the way through Daniel about how they try too hard

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_05]: to do this.

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Like they are just not that it's not a realistic take on how this would go.

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_02]: No, because they're like, look at how we convinced the people who kidnapped us, how awesome

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_02]: our God is.

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: They totally fell in love with our God.

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: After they kidnapped us.

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_02]: That totally happened.

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:08:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Like no dudes it didn't.

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, in the fact that these are written hundreds of years after these events supposedly

[01:08:10] [SPEAKER_05]: took place doesn't lend to the credibility.

[01:08:13] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's not at all.

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_05]: It lends to the stupidity.

[01:08:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, yeah, the propaganda aspect of it.

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:08:21] [SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know.

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_05]: That it's what it is but it ingrate as what it is.

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_05]: That's true for sure.

[01:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:08:28] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that was Bell and the dragon.

[01:08:31] [SPEAKER_05]: It sure is fuck was which brings us to the end of Daniel.

[01:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And all it's a pucker full nonsense.

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_05]: So after today we're going to be getting into our Daniel wrap up.

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Daniel wrap up and then we'll have your always wrong.

[01:08:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes or the contradictions episode.

[01:08:54] [SPEAKER_05]: And then that will finish us up with Daniel.

[01:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And we'll be done and that will be another book in the bank.

[01:09:01] [SPEAKER_05]: That's right.

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And we'll be on to the next one.

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_05]: You know what the next book is?

[01:09:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you know.

[01:09:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I want to see macabees but I can wait macabees isn't even in the regular Bible.

[01:09:10] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, if you want another pucker full thing or what are we doing?

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[01:09:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I honestly I did not even have that pulled up.

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we're doing another book after this regardless which will be the 28th book

[01:09:19] [SPEAKER_05]: that we do.

[01:09:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So look at you knowing how many books were written every day when we.

[01:09:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that is true.

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_02]: That is true.

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You do that.

[01:09:27] [SPEAKER_02]: That is true.

[01:09:28] [SPEAKER_05]: But regardless, we will be doing a new book of the Bible.

[01:09:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Ozea.

[01:09:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Ozea.

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Ozea.

[01:09:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Ozea.

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Ozea.

[01:09:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Ozea.

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Hooray.

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Hooray.

[01:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking Moana.

[01:09:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Got it.

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll probably start the new book on Monday.

[01:09:48] [SPEAKER_05]: So whatever time frame we're kind of recording some of this stuff a little bit

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_05]: earlier than normal.

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Whatever time frame we have left.

[01:09:53] [SPEAKER_05]: We may be doing like a Patreon or book club or maybe both.

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not really sure at this point.

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_02]: That's weekend and that's so far away from today.

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_05]: It is so far away from today right now.

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_05]: But we will do something probably.

[01:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, we'll do something definitely.

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_02]: We just don't know what that is.

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_05]: And then we'll be back on Monday with the beginning of Ozea.

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Not macabees.

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Not macabees.

[01:10:16] [SPEAKER_05]: So we will see you guys then.

[01:10:24] Finn.

[01:10:24] [SPEAKER_03]: Wife.

[01:10:25] [SPEAKER_03]: Do you know what we're doing today?

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, we just got done reading the Apocryphal books of Daniel and that.

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And the Apocryl-Optic ones too.

[01:10:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Well yeah, those two.

[01:10:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And prior to that.

[01:10:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And we have finished all of the books of Daniel which generally means that today we'd

[01:10:43] [SPEAKER_05]: be doing.

[01:10:44] [SPEAKER_02]: A wrap up.

[01:10:46] [SPEAKER_02]: The fuck.

[01:10:47] [SPEAKER_02]: There's no jingle for wrap ups.

[01:10:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:10:50] [SPEAKER_05]: But you could have said it with a little bit more energy.

[01:10:52] [SPEAKER_05]: You're like a wrap up.

[01:10:56] [SPEAKER_05]: You like the wrap up.

[01:10:57] [SPEAKER_05]: We're doing the wrap up for the book of Daniel.

[01:11:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Daniel.

[01:11:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Daniel, whatever.

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And so we're going to go over what we are reading and also.

[01:11:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And also.

[01:11:09] [SPEAKER_05]: We're doing this on a Wednesday night and we're doing it on our live discord.

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_01]: We are.

[01:11:14] [SPEAKER_05]: So if you guys haven't joined us on Discord, now's the time to do it.

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Eli.

[01:11:21] [SPEAKER_05]: And get your asses in here and join us on Discord.

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_05]: No particular reason that we call out Eli.

[01:11:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Just, you know, Eli needs to get in here.

[01:11:29] [SPEAKER_01]: You know who you are.

[01:11:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know who you are.

[01:11:32] [SPEAKER_05]: So stop what you're doing.

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_05]: You joined us on Discord.

[01:11:35] [SPEAKER_05]: And the rest of you too.

[01:11:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Everybody else also.

[01:11:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:11:39] [SPEAKER_05]: But specifically Eli.

[01:11:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.

[01:11:42] Ha ha ha.

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[01:11:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Do you have anything you want to say before we get into this or we just hop it in?

[01:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Not fuck it.

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go.

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[01:11:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's do this.

[01:11:56] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:11:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So let's talk about Dan I L.

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's do it.

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_02]: OK.

[01:12:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about the guy, Daniel.

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:12:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's talk about the guy who doesn't exist who's fixed.

[01:12:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:12:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Who was written 400 years after the fact?

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_05]: That guy.

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_05]: That's the one.

[01:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And then let's talk about authorship.

[01:12:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Did it with not by Daniel?

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And then let's talk about the makeup of the book.

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Not by God.

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And then let's talk about audience theme and purpose of the book.

[01:12:23] [SPEAKER_05]: None.

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, sorry.

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just being.

[01:12:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, no.

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And then a little bit of history because I found a little bit more interesting stuff

[01:12:29] [SPEAKER_02]: that you like.

[01:12:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I was born with the purpose portion of that as to the right.

[01:12:33] [SPEAKER_02]: No, there was a purpose for it.

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[01:12:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just being dumb here.

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm having fun with it.

[01:12:38] [SPEAKER_02]: That's ridiculous.

[01:12:39] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:12:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So the guy.

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Daniel, the guy.

[01:12:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So the book of Daniel is a second century BCE apocalypse from Judea with a six

[01:12:50] [SPEAKER_02]: century BCE setting.

[01:12:52] [SPEAKER_05]: And he spent two separate times in the lion's den.

[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Two.

[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, who knew?

[01:12:57] [SPEAKER_02]: One that's in the Bible and one that's extra curricular.

[01:13:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that's the second time.

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_05]: That's the second time.

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_05]: The second Bible is maybe.

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the first time was only one night and the second time was for a fucking

[01:13:06] [SPEAKER_02]: week.

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Crazy.

[01:13:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that's a real week or like Bible every day is a year.

[01:13:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Because a year.

[01:13:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[01:13:17] [SPEAKER_02]: So Daniel was and is real like captive in Babylon during the six century

[01:13:22] [SPEAKER_02]: BCE according to the stories.

[01:13:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, Judea, the southern kingdom had fallen to the greatest empire at the time.

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Babylon.

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[01:13:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And was taken into captivity in three waves.

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:13:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Daniel was in the first group.

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_02]: The prophet Daniel was taken captive and was raised up there in Babylon.

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Which I just want to point out was the same way that a Zecule was taken.

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm.

[01:13:48] [SPEAKER_05]: So a Zecule was hypothetically in the mix there.

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_05]: So Babylon at the same time, Daniel was.

[01:13:54] [SPEAKER_05]: But there is no like intermingling.

[01:13:56] [SPEAKER_05]: They never talked about each other.

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that never happened.

[01:13:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So even though they're both at the same time,

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_05]: the little suspicious in my mind.

[01:14:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Daniel, the character.

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:14:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's not even pretend.

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:14:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Had lived through the rain and fall of the Babylonian empire and the start of the

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: so Persian empire when Babylon was invaded in chapter five.

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's all I'm going to say about the dude because there's nothing to say

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: about a dude that doesn't exist.

[01:14:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's hard to give a bio about a fictional character who was only in so many books

[01:14:33] [SPEAKER_05]: of a Bible that basically he was in a lot of lion's dans and, you know, and his friends

[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_02]: weren't a furnace.

[01:14:38] [SPEAKER_05]: And he really loved God.

[01:14:40] [SPEAKER_05]: He loved him.

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So hard that he made never could nether love him sometimes.

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[01:14:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_02]: More than once.

[01:14:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And also we've already talked about Daniel in past few hasn't stuff.

[01:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So let's talk about the authorship a little bit.

[01:14:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Most theologians, so we can also call them Bible apologists.

[01:15:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:15:03] [SPEAKER_02]: They agree that Daniel wrote at least the first six chapters of the book of Daniel.

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:15:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:15:09] [SPEAKER_02]: If not the entire book, most Christians believe the entire book was written by this person

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_02]: who doesn't even exist.

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, look I don't know how you could possibly read these books and think that someone

[01:15:20] [SPEAKER_05]: named Daniel wrote these books.

[01:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:15:24] [SPEAKER_05]: It's just there.

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just that's not fair because I'm the one doing the outside research and bringing

[01:15:30] [SPEAKER_02]: you information.

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_05]: You're right.

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_05]: You're right.

[01:15:32] [SPEAKER_05]: But at the same time it's not written like it's written by a person in the moment.

[01:15:38] [SPEAKER_05]: It's written like it's by someone who is trying to make this person the most perfect

[01:15:44] [SPEAKER_05]: being for that time in that place.

[01:15:48] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not written.

[01:15:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Like if it was that person writing it for themselves, they would be writing themselves

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_05]: as a hero and who writes themselves as a hero unless you're just like the biggest

[01:15:58] [SPEAKER_05]: fucking narcissist.

[01:15:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Was it an adazee?

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_02]: On the planet.

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Did that wrote himself as a hero?

[01:16:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Did he?

[01:16:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Or was that Nehemiah?

[01:16:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I get him all confused now.

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't remember.

[01:16:07] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought, well, I mean, Solomon was pretty heroically.

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was.

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_02]: But his mom or step mom or something was the editor.

[01:16:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_05]: No, there was reasons behind that.

[01:16:17] [SPEAKER_05]: But he also was very, you know, he thought a lot of himself.

[01:16:21] [SPEAKER_01]: He did.

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_05]: So there's that.

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_05]: But this was different than that.

[01:16:24] [SPEAKER_05]: This wasn't.

[01:16:25] [SPEAKER_05]: This was there was so much installing of God in these episodes that it was absurd.

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_05]: It was absolutely absurd.

[01:16:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Clearly, like one of those little black and white reals at the beginning of movies in theaters

[01:16:42] [SPEAKER_02]: from way back in like the what 40s and 50s when they would put those little news

[01:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: reals to try to like get Americans excited about going to war propaganda.

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_05]: It was a propaganda for those real lights.

[01:16:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Like whenever I watch the movie, oh shit, never mind.

[01:17:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember what it's called.

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the one, it's the one that's based on a Heinlein novel and it's the one where

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_02]: they go to war against the bugs.

[01:17:13] [SPEAKER_05]: War against the, oh, oh, Starship Troopers.

[01:17:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, starships at the first.

[01:17:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thank you.

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Holy shit, I got a movie and you didn't.

[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: What is happening?

[01:17:21] [SPEAKER_05]: What was up side down today?

[01:17:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to say battle start galactic on.

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And I knew that was absolutely not correct.

[01:17:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so yes, that movie.

[01:17:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Starship Troopers based on a book by Robert A.

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And line and at the very beginning and at the very end, they show propaganda films.

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Kids like squishing bugs.

[01:17:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody do your part.

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Those are fantastic.

[01:17:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Right?

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I love them.

[01:17:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so that's what it reminds me of.

[01:17:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's totally what the book of Daniel is.

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.

[01:17:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Is that a number?

[01:17:52] [SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely.

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:17:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So scholars outside the Christian faith, you know, people who go to college and learn

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: about this stuff without maybe all the baggage or they have the baggage, but they understand

[01:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: that the baggage and the actual history.

[01:18:11] [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, are separate.

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And they can somehow separate those things, which there are people like that who might

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_02]: admire and respect.

[01:18:18] [SPEAKER_05]: So definitely scholars.

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:18:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Regardless of whether they have to be a lot of scholars who started out theologians

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_05]: and ended up scholars.

[01:18:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, right.

[01:18:29] [SPEAKER_05]: There's because there's there's questions.

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, we're going through the Bible, right?

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_05]: And if you're reading it with a questioning mind and you want to learn as much as you can about

[01:18:37] [SPEAKER_05]: it, you're going to end up down some paths that are a little bit, uh, they're going

[01:18:41] [SPEAKER_02]: to make you wonder.

[01:18:42] [SPEAKER_05]: They're either going to make you wonder.

[01:18:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So scholars outside the Christian faith, they believe the final six chapters were written by

[01:18:52] [SPEAKER_02]: a Jew during the time when Antioch is the fourth epiphanies.

[01:18:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Yep.

[01:18:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Descent, that's the created the Jewish temple during his whole abomination of desolation.

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:19:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's like a time period, like capital abomination, capital desolation,

[01:19:09] [SPEAKER_02]: in quotation marks, like it is a thing to which we have referred multiple times as

[01:19:14] [SPEAKER_02]: a specific event.

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:19:15] [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that that is it's important to point out that the detail of the prophecies

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_05]: in Daniel are such that they couldn't look, you either have to believe fully that

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_05]: this guy wrote it and had the prophecies and detailed out prophecies from 400 years

[01:19:32] [SPEAKER_05]: later.

[01:19:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Or it was written 400 years fucking later, right?

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, and then those are the two options.

[01:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: There's some other things that I'll get into when I touch on the history.

[01:19:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That will agree with that.

[01:19:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:19:46] [SPEAKER_02]: The last chapters as we pointed out when we were reading them seven through 12

[01:19:51] [SPEAKER_02]: experience, a shift in the language used, the tone, the style, all of that,

[01:19:57] [SPEAKER_02]: which helps contribute to this debate of who wrote it and when and where their

[01:20:02] [SPEAKER_02]: redactors did he start it and then other people came along later or did this whole group

[01:20:08] [SPEAKER_02]: sit down and write it or did some people write part of it and other people came along

[01:20:12] [SPEAKER_02]: later and I'm like, well, there's a difference.

[01:20:14] [SPEAKER_05]: The first six were written in air may it, right?

[01:20:17] [SPEAKER_05]: And the last ones were written in Greek or something.

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't think that's correct.

[01:20:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to share with Greek.

[01:20:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I got it right here.

[01:20:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, the first chapters, one through six were written in air mayic and chapter 7 through 12

[01:20:31] [SPEAKER_02]: were written in Hebrew.

[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, okay.

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:20:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I apologize.

[01:20:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was Greek for some reason.

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So.

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what you should.

[01:20:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I did.

[01:20:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry.

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You should.

[01:20:40] Yeah.

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So that gets into the the next part of what we were going to talk about here.

[01:20:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there was a shift, which was obvious in the language and the language used,

[01:20:53] [SPEAKER_02]: not just the word choice.

[01:20:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So the book of Daniel Falls in the third and final section of the Hebrew Bible.

[01:21:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So like the first section would be the Torah.

[01:21:04] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the instruction or the law.

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:21:06] [SPEAKER_02]: The second part would be the Neviim, which is the prophets and the third.

[01:21:10] [SPEAKER_02]: The third part is the Ketuvo, and that's the writings and things like Job and Psalms

[01:21:16] [SPEAKER_02]: and all that stuff.

[01:21:18] [SPEAKER_02]: We're fall under that section along with the book of Daniel because it's writings,

[01:21:23] [SPEAKER_02]: not a prophet.

[01:21:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Christian biblical cannons group the work with the major prophets, which we know

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_02]: because that's how we're reading.

[01:21:32] [SPEAKER_02]: The book of Daniel is divided into two parts, which we just talked about.

[01:21:36] [SPEAKER_02]: The first six chapters are court tales.

[01:21:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:21:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Those just talk about how he was brought in and how prisoners were treated, if they were

[01:21:48] [SPEAKER_02]: children during that first wave, especially they were brought in and raised to try to be

[01:21:57] [SPEAKER_05]: part of the Babylonians.

[01:21:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_02]: To kind of not brainwashing necessarily, but not brainwash either.

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:22:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Just kind of coerced into the entire part of your standing in the society and

[01:22:12] [SPEAKER_05]: a church.

[01:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the last six chapters, seven through 12, those were four apocalyptic

[01:22:20] [SPEAKER_02]: visions and it's entirely different.

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not stories anymore.

[01:22:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it isn't it isn't but yeah.

[01:22:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there are visions of his future, supposedly, or the future for

[01:22:35] [SPEAKER_02]: the Israelites, supposedly.

[01:22:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So the Greek text of Daniel is considerably longer than the Hebrew text due to

[01:22:44] [SPEAKER_02]: the three additional stories that we talked about, which remain in Catholic and Orthodox

[01:22:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Christian Bibles, but were rejected by the Christian Protestant movement in the 16th

[01:22:56] [SPEAKER_02]: century on the basis that they were absent from the Hebrew Bible.

[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And these are the tales that we read after we finished the official quote unquote book of

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Daniel, we went ahead and read these prayer of Azariah and the song of the three holy

[01:23:15] [SPEAKER_02]: children.

[01:23:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And that one falls during the time when Daniel's three friends go into the furnace

[01:23:21] [SPEAKER_07]: right.

[01:23:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Susana and the elders.

[01:23:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And that one is more of a profess to the entire book of Daniel where this girl is

[01:23:31] [SPEAKER_02]: basically either let us rape you or we're going to accuse you of fucking somebody because

[01:23:37] [SPEAKER_02]: you're such a beautiful bitch that we're mad at you for not letting us rape you.

[01:23:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And she decides to like not be raped and to, you know, stand up for what she, for what's

[01:23:48] [SPEAKER_05]: right.

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:23:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And she makes the quote unquote right choice, which in that case there is no right

[01:23:53] [SPEAKER_02]: choice because you're either going to be raped or killed.

[01:23:56] [SPEAKER_05]: And let's be honest, that scenario would not have played out like it didn't have been

[01:24:00] [SPEAKER_05]: you all.

[01:24:00] [SPEAKER_05]: There's no fucking way she would have been killed.

[01:24:04] [SPEAKER_05]: That's all there is to it.

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.

[01:24:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the last one was Bell and the dragon.

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was a locked room mystery kind of thing where first there was the statue is a

[01:24:19] [SPEAKER_02]: god and is eating all the stuff.

[01:24:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And Daniel's like, yeah, no, that's not true.

[01:24:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So he proves it by putting ashes down and catching their footprints.

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought that was very interesting because it kind of speaks to the same thing that

[01:24:34] [SPEAKER_05]: happens with the Israelites, right?

[01:24:36] [SPEAKER_05]: We talked about it all through the early books of the Bible when they were doing their

[01:24:41] [SPEAKER_05]: sacrifices and everything and how the priest were the ones that handled all this stuff.

[01:24:45] [SPEAKER_05]: And we're like, this is just getting eaten by the fucking priest.

[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't go to these aren't offerings to God.

[01:24:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:24:50] [SPEAKER_05]: These aren't getting eaten by God.

[01:24:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and then not how this works.

[01:24:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You pointed that out when we were reading that you were like, that's ironic that Daniel's

[01:24:59] [SPEAKER_02]: like saying the shit, but it's about a statue instead of like our quote unquote living

[01:25:05] [SPEAKER_02]: God.

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:25:06] [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't understand how like I would have to assume.

[01:25:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I know more than have to assume.

[01:25:12] [SPEAKER_05]: I know that a fucking king of Babylon would know that this is how it's going down.

[01:25:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Like there's no fucking way.

[01:25:21] [SPEAKER_05]: You definitely know this, right?

[01:25:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't know they had the door that they snuck in through to eat all stuff and

[01:25:27] [SPEAKER_02]: they never once peaked.

[01:25:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Whatever.

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know.

[01:25:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And so then I'm.

[01:25:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I can't publish it on that.

[01:25:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So then when Daniel proved them wrong, you know, it was like, no, it's not a statue eating

[01:25:37] [SPEAKER_02]: it.

[01:25:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It's your people, your priest and whatever.

[01:25:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Then the king was like, all right, fine.

[01:25:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Here's a living God and it's like a dragon, which we know is probably like a crocodile

[01:25:47] [SPEAKER_02]: or an alligator or whatever.

[01:25:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And so Daniel makes him some kind of food that has flour or noodly stuff in it or whatever.

[01:25:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever.

[01:25:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that makes his stomach split.

[01:25:58] [SPEAKER_05]: So he kills the one who's funny that we go from looking at like, did it not occur to it?

[01:26:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, are we in the same building?

[01:26:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Is that kind of how that's described?

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:26:07] [SPEAKER_05]: There's the feast where they pre-state all the food that with the dust on the ground.

[01:26:11] [SPEAKER_05]: And then, oh, but over here, look, there's a dragon too.

[01:26:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know because I think that the quote unquote living God, the monster, the dragon

[01:26:20] [SPEAKER_02]: was out in the gardens is my understanding.

[01:26:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh.

[01:26:24] [SPEAKER_02]: If I remember correctly.

[01:26:25] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[01:26:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Because I was thinking maybe the dragon could eat in the food.

[01:26:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that would be funny.

[01:26:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Except I said, the wrong footprint.

[01:26:30] [SPEAKER_05]: It would have been the wrong foot.

[01:26:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[01:26:31] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah.

[01:26:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, you know, if you got, if you have a living God and you're fucking tempo along

[01:26:36] [SPEAKER_05]: with the food that you're sending there to be eaten, I mean, maybe he ate it.

[01:26:41] [SPEAKER_05]: You know?

[01:26:42] [SPEAKER_02]: This God ate that God's.

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:26:43] [SPEAKER_02]: That's hilarious.

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:26:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So we read those three and those are a pocket full because they're not included

[01:26:51] [SPEAKER_02]: in standard quote unquote, Bibles.

[01:26:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And the production of Apocalypse's in literature, FYI, occurred commonly from 300 BC

[01:27:07] [SPEAKER_02]: all the way through 100 AD.

[01:27:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So there's in the Bible you're saying no in literature.

[01:27:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, okay.

[01:27:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Apocalyptic literature.

[01:27:16] [SPEAKER_05]: What could I mean, we still have a pocket literature.

[01:27:18] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[01:27:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I know that but it was extremely common in literature for that 400 year.

[01:27:24] [SPEAKER_05]: I just trying to clarify.

[01:27:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:27:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Not only among Jews and Christians, but also among Greeks, Romans, Persians and Egyptians.

[01:27:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So the book of Daniel was like not strange for this.

[01:27:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It was like just following.

[01:27:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Was there anything in particular going on?

[01:27:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I sound like there might have been, you know, based on what we've been reading and what

[01:27:44] [SPEAKER_05]: we know at the time, it seemed like there was a lot of war.

[01:27:46] [SPEAKER_05]: There was a lot of things happening in the world.

[01:27:48] [SPEAKER_05]: So maybe that's why they felt like that.

[01:27:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe that's why Apocalypse, the Apocalyptic stories were really popular, maybe?

[01:27:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Could be, I would tend to think too that it probably had something to do with the popularity

[01:28:05] [SPEAKER_02]: of priestly writings as more and more people were able to write and record things.

[01:28:14] [SPEAKER_02]: They're recording what they see, which is the world always on fire and falling apart around

[01:28:18] [SPEAKER_02]: them.

[01:28:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[01:28:19] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

[01:28:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:28:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And before that, people might not have been as aware of what was going on in the world

[01:28:28] [SPEAKER_02]: around them.

[01:28:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Then that's fair.

[01:28:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And they on top of that might not have known enough to write and record it.

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_05]: You could even argue that in today's day, age with the advent of the internet that

[01:28:41] [SPEAKER_05]: people are more, they think more in Apocalypse a few points because we are exposed to much

[01:28:47] [SPEAKER_05]: more than we ever were before.

[01:28:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:28:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Same mentality, same idea.

[01:28:52] [SPEAKER_05]: These people were trading more and more and traveling further and further and so they were

[01:28:56] [SPEAKER_05]: exposed to more and more ideas.

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And at the same time, cities were growing.

[01:29:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So humanity was becoming a more and more quote unquote stable, civilized, settled down.

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_02]: So they were able to be exposed to more even as they were sitting still to take that in.

[01:29:14] [SPEAKER_05]: That makes sense to me.

[01:29:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You mentioned, you know?

[01:29:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Compared to today and there is a lot of research out there that shows that Gen Z in particular

[01:29:27] [SPEAKER_02]: is prone to depression and fears about the end of the world because they are online.

[01:29:37] [SPEAKER_02]: They grew up online.

[01:29:39] [SPEAKER_02]: They've never known not being online.

[01:29:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:29:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Unlike I would say millennials kind of, they grew up very similar but they

[01:29:49] [SPEAKER_02]: may still remember as kids not having a phone in their pocket.

[01:29:53] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.

[01:29:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Gen X were like the generation that is the both, where the both side generation

[01:29:59] [SPEAKER_02]: because we did literally see a time when nobody had cell phones all the way through

[01:30:05] [SPEAKER_02]: to now boomers have them and use them and shouldn't.

[01:30:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:30:08] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:30:09] [SPEAKER_02]: But Gen Z is the first one, the first generation that they were born with cell phones.

[01:30:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:30:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And they know everything that's happening in the world right now as it's happening

[01:30:22] [SPEAKER_02]: and they are like so struck by fear, like why even bother like why pursue anything

[01:30:33] [SPEAKER_02]: higher degree or hard work wise because you know, the world may not be here.

[01:30:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's a lot of research that shows that Gen Z is very stunted that way.

[01:30:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I mean what they're seeing stuff about you know the climate change and yeah.

[01:30:50] [SPEAKER_05]: And all the people, you know, there's a lot of things that are going on that are that's

[01:30:54] [SPEAKER_02]: what I'm saying.

[01:30:55] [SPEAKER_02]: They see the world on fire because it is sure.

[01:30:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not trying to denigrate Gen Z.

[01:31:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I have a Gen Z child.

[01:31:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:31:03] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just saying I understand why they, why a puckalptic literature can influence

[01:31:11] [SPEAKER_02]: a generation.

[01:31:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[01:31:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Now I get it.

[01:31:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Not to mention that Gen Z also had to deal with the whole COVID lockdown.

[01:31:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So there's that.

[01:31:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[01:31:19] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:31:19] [SPEAKER_02]: The moving on Daniel learned the wisdom of the Babylonian magicians and then he

[01:31:26] [SPEAKER_02]: surpassed them because he is God chosen whatever.

[01:31:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:31:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:31:34] [SPEAKER_02]: He is one of the wise ones, the masculine is what the wise ones are called.

[01:31:39] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[01:31:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Who have the task of teaching righteousness and whose number maybe considered to include

[01:31:45] [SPEAKER_02]: the authors of the book itself, you know, the ones who chose what stays and what goes

[01:31:51] [SPEAKER_02]: the masculine.

[01:31:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Got it.

[01:31:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:31:53] [SPEAKER_02]: The wise wise wisdom, he wise guys.

[01:31:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:31:56] [SPEAKER_02]: The, the guys with the beards.

[01:31:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You know.

[01:32:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's how I picture them.

[01:32:02] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.

[01:32:03] [SPEAKER_02]: They're all men and they all have beards.

[01:32:06] [SPEAKER_07]: You think?

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[01:32:07] [SPEAKER_07]: All right.

[01:32:08] [SPEAKER_02]: If you don't have a beard, you can't sit at this table.

[01:32:11] [SPEAKER_06]: You know?

[01:32:11] [SPEAKER_06]: That is.

[01:32:12] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:32:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about audience theme and purpose.

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:32:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I lumped that all together in one little section.

[01:32:19] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[01:32:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So the first section chapters one through six are known as the Babylonian narratives.

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Those are the stories.

[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:32:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And they show four Jewish men living very, woolly lives in a very pagan land.

[01:32:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:32:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean that's how it's portrayed for yeah.

[01:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And those dudes work hard and they excel in Babylonian society without compromising their

[01:32:44] [SPEAKER_02]: integrity or their faith.

[01:32:46] [SPEAKER_05]: So again, what they said.

[01:32:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:32:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a really big deal.

[01:32:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And so that was geared toward an audience to show that you can still prevail.

[01:32:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You can still stick to your virtues.

[01:33:01] [SPEAKER_05]: They kind of skipped the character development though.

[01:33:03] [SPEAKER_05]: They just said, hey, these people have positions of power.

[01:33:06] [SPEAKER_05]: They didn't really explain how they got there.

[01:33:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, well, they were specifically kidnapped because they were beautiful and smart

[01:33:12] [SPEAKER_02]: and neppo babies.

[01:33:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[01:33:14] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why.

[01:33:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:33:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So we're not all beautiful.

[01:33:18] [SPEAKER_02]: We're not all smart.

[01:33:19] [SPEAKER_02]: We're not all neppo babies.

[01:33:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So fuck the rest of us, I guess, right?

[01:33:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:33:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So the second section, Daniel chapters 7 through 12 shows the abomination of

[01:33:29] [SPEAKER_02]: desolation, which again is a specific event under Antiochist IV the Piffinies, while

[01:33:36] [SPEAKER_02]: according to some theologians simultaneously hinting at the Antichrist to come at

[01:33:43] [SPEAKER_02]: the end of time.

[01:33:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:33:44] [SPEAKER_05]: We talked about that when we read it and I see.

[01:33:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we talked about it in the vision.

[01:33:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, wrap up too.

[01:33:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:33:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:33:55] [SPEAKER_05]: I can't remember exactly what we talked about, but I do remember I don't really

[01:33:59] [SPEAKER_05]: see it the same way.

[01:34:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, it didn't really.

[01:34:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't see how people get that from that exactly.

[01:34:05] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I see both sides, I guess.

[01:34:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, if you're looking at it specifically from the point of view, like, if you are a

[01:34:11] [SPEAKER_05]: person who wholeheartedly believes that this represents the resurrection of Jesus Christ

[01:34:19] [SPEAKER_05]: in the new testament, right?

[01:34:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:34:22] [SPEAKER_05]: I see how you can make it fit.

[01:34:24] [SPEAKER_05]: But the problem is that you kind of have to make it fit.

[01:34:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[01:34:27] [SPEAKER_05]: There is no just natural slide in there with regard to how that fits.

[01:34:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the problem is that it's describing events that happen under Antiochist, but

[01:34:37] [SPEAKER_02]: it's also, there are people saying there are two different groups of people.

[01:34:42] [SPEAKER_02]: One group of Christians is saying that Antiochist period, that abomination,

[01:34:50] [SPEAKER_02]: desolation, thingy, my bober.

[01:34:52] [SPEAKER_02]: That was just a trailer for the movie to come.

[01:34:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the other Christian group is saying, no, that didn't describe

[01:35:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Antiochist.

[01:35:02] [SPEAKER_02]: That's just the coincidence, it's specifically describing the antichrist to come.

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And so you've got two groups that are talking about the same thing.

[01:35:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And even they don't agree on what it is.

[01:35:15] [SPEAKER_05]: So the rest of us came across some things that said that people can't agree.

[01:35:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[01:35:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, as we were went through Daniel, specifically in the apocalyptic chapters,

[01:35:28] [SPEAKER_05]: there was a couple of places where you were looking at the apologists and the, like,

[01:35:32] [SPEAKER_05]: they apologize can't even agree on what this means.

[01:35:35] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I just said.

[01:35:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:35:36] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I'm, I was just sorry.

[01:35:38] [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, it's, it's so muddled that you have to, if you want to make this work for

[01:35:45] [SPEAKER_05]: you with regard to your faith in the whole resurrection and Jesus Christ and all that,

[01:35:52] [SPEAKER_05]: you probably can make it work.

[01:35:54] [SPEAKER_05]: But you do have to make it work.

[01:35:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And you have to pick, like, it's like when somebody says I am Christian,

[01:35:59] [SPEAKER_02]: and then I'm over here on the outside having read a lot of this going, okay,

[01:36:03] [SPEAKER_02]: but which kind are you the kind that believes this or this?

[01:36:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you the kind that believes that or that?

[01:36:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's talk about Daniel.

[01:36:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you the Christian that is this was an entire key, an entire kiss of Piffinies or are

[01:36:15] [SPEAKER_02]: you this was Antichrist or are you part of the both camp?

[01:36:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It was and will be like which Christian are you?

[01:36:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Like seeing I'm Christian kind of fucking tells me nothing, honestly.

[01:36:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, the part I love is when you're talking to someone like that, they refuse to nail

[01:36:31] [SPEAKER_05]: it down to what type of Christian they are.

[01:36:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I generally think it's because they don't actually know what they are.

[01:36:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:36:38] [SPEAKER_05]: But they then are like well, I don't have a specific denomination.

[01:36:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just a Christian.

[01:36:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:36:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, oh, you're a social Christian.

[01:36:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:36:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You kind of believe in God maybe can't describe it, but it's probably your daddy in

[01:36:53] [SPEAKER_02]: the sky.

[01:36:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You kind of believe that Jesus was raised from the dead, but you're iffy on the details.

[01:37:00] [SPEAKER_02]: You know that Jesus is the son of God, depending on what part of the country you live

[01:37:06] [SPEAKER_02]: in, you may even understand that he's not a white American.

[01:37:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:37:09] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you may understand that Jesus is a Jew?

[01:37:11] [SPEAKER_05]: But sometimes these are the most angry people that I run into.

[01:37:14] [SPEAKER_05]: Right there are so adamant that you are wrong about they're not being that God.

[01:37:19] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's because I think it's the insecurity of them not actually knowing the answer

[01:37:24] [SPEAKER_05]: and they get very bent out of shape when you say there's not a God.

[01:37:27] [SPEAKER_05]: And then when you ask them to defend their point of view, they just throw out like generalizations

[01:37:32] [SPEAKER_05]: and stuff like that.

[01:37:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to have it.

[01:37:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to see my dead parents in heaven.

[01:37:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so excited.

[01:37:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And we've talked about that like, wow, that's like the fucking arrogance.

[01:37:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel bad for them a little bit because I feel like there's guilt wrapped into that.

[01:37:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Not knowing.

[01:37:46] [SPEAKER_05]: That not knowing thing, right?

[01:37:47] [SPEAKER_05]: And where they're defending it with the zeal that they do because they don't

[01:37:53] [SPEAKER_05]: know and they feel guilty for not knowing.

[01:37:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And like if they were just a real decent normal human, they could be like, oh my gosh,

[01:38:00] [SPEAKER_02]: that's a really interesting question.

[01:38:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I never really thought about what you know what?

[01:38:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I'll just go read the Bible now and try to figure shit out.

[01:38:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Wouldn't it just be a better world of people could admit when they don't know?

[01:38:10] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that would make the whole world better.

[01:38:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm this is so off topic, but it's why we love our family doctor.

[01:38:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Because he does not try to bullshit us with non-sensical answers.

[01:38:21] [SPEAKER_02]: If he doesn't know the fucking answer, he says, huh, I'm not sure.

[01:38:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get a specialist to find out.

[01:38:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Or, hey, since I last saw you, I've done research and got in touch with specialists.

[01:38:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And here's what I have found out.

[01:38:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I love a person who is humble enough to know what they don't know and constable enough

[01:38:42] [SPEAKER_02]: with that humbleness to be able to admit it and have no problem because they're more

[01:38:47] [SPEAKER_02]: interested in getting the right information and sharing it.

[01:38:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's where I am.

[01:38:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I just want the right information and then that excites me and I want to share that.

[01:38:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't need to be right for the sake of right.

[01:39:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I need to be right because I want the correct information.

[01:39:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's not a pride thing.

[01:39:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like Christians kind of get lost in their pride.

[01:39:13] [SPEAKER_07]: No, I definitely.

[01:39:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, you need to call me your tits.

[01:39:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly.

[01:39:19] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's move on.

[01:39:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And so the audience for the visions that Daniel saw are those who were living at the time of

[01:39:27] [SPEAKER_02]: the restructuring as well as those who will be living at the end of time.

[01:39:32] [SPEAKER_08]: So, okay.

[01:39:33] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, depending on which side of the fence you're on or the middle of the fence.

[01:39:38] [SPEAKER_05]: It considering that basically Christians at any given generation think it's the end of time.

[01:39:42] [SPEAKER_05]: I guess that that audience is always the audience.

[01:39:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, right.

[01:39:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Daniel is always going to be the favorite.

[01:39:48] [SPEAKER_05]: We're so well.

[01:39:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:39:49] [SPEAKER_02]: The audience for the entire book would have likely been Jews who were under an

[01:39:53] [SPEAKER_02]: oppressive ruler, which that makes sense.

[01:39:55] [SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about that.

[01:39:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was supposed to be kind of giving them a sense of country pride and culture pride

[01:40:02] [SPEAKER_02]: and getting them back together and excited to become one people again.

[01:40:07] [SPEAKER_07]: Got it.

[01:40:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[01:40:08] [SPEAKER_02]: After having lived under oppression and had been scattered some other covered to the winds.

[01:40:13] [SPEAKER_02]: The audience for the book also would have likely, oh, I just said that, who Jews who were under

[01:40:18] [SPEAKER_02]: oppressive ruler.

[01:40:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So, however, even the Jews later living under strict Hellenistic or Roman rule would have found

[01:40:28] [SPEAKER_02]: inspiration and comfort from the examples of Daniel on his three friends, which that's because

[01:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: that falls in the same period when they would have wanted that pride in country that they were not

[01:40:40] [SPEAKER_02]: able to live at that moment.

[01:40:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:40:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So the main theme of both sections of the book as a whole is perseverance during a time of

[01:40:50] [SPEAKER_02]: mass persecution and cultural genocide.

[01:40:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:40:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And when we say cultural genocide, what we mean is that these people were forced to give up their

[01:40:59] [SPEAKER_02]: cultural identity and how they eat, how they learn, how they worship and how they pray.

[01:41:05] [SPEAKER_02]: That's different obviously from a out-and-out straight-up genocide.

[01:41:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:41:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of what Americans did to the Native American, on top of the attempted out-and-out

[01:41:19] [SPEAKER_02]: genocide, they did a very strong cultural genocide and trying to adopt them into a very white

[01:41:28] [SPEAKER_02]: nation.

[01:41:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And we're still trying to recover from that grotesque history.

[01:41:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Those who resisted these problems of having all of their culture stripped away,

[01:41:47] [SPEAKER_02]: those who resisted that, they would face pain or even execution.

[01:41:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So they didn't have a lot of choice and anybody who was reading these stories and found that

[01:41:57] [SPEAKER_02]: cultural pride would have benefited from it spiritually just on that level alone.

[01:42:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, kind of like when you're feeling sad about the state of America but then you read a poem

[01:42:12] [SPEAKER_02]: by Amanda Gorman.

[01:42:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And she feels your heart with pride and you're like, there's my America.

[01:42:19] [SPEAKER_05]: No, yeah.

[01:42:20] [SPEAKER_05]: There it is.

[01:42:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:42:21] [SPEAKER_05]: I love having things.

[01:42:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that sounded like I'm comparing our how we are today with the plight of the Israelites

[01:42:31] [SPEAKER_02]: or the Jewish people and I do not mean to indicate that at all, like at all just to be clear,

[01:42:38] [SPEAKER_02]: like I'm not trying to downplay the suffering of other cultures in the past.

[01:42:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Right, right.

[01:42:43] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I didn't think we're, but you know what I'm going to do?

[01:42:46] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I panicked for a minute thinking like my god, I probably just sounded like

[01:42:50] [SPEAKER_02]: what was me white person and I did not mean to indicate that at all.

[01:42:54] [SPEAKER_05]: No, but you mentioned Amanda Gorman and I always appreciate,

[01:42:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I love her work and more than that though, not just her.

[01:43:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I appreciate someone reframing an idea to, to rekindle an idea that I once held or,

[01:43:08] [SPEAKER_05]: at least to make me re-examine it.

[01:43:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:43:13] [SPEAKER_05]: And I love, I love it when someone makes you think through their words or through their art

[01:43:17] [SPEAKER_05]: in a way that makes you examine how you've changed and what you, what you are now versus

[01:43:23] [SPEAKER_05]: what you thought before.

[01:43:25] [SPEAKER_05]: And those are, that's to me what art is.

[01:43:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Is it makes you examine those ideas in your, in your right?

[01:43:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:43:31] [SPEAKER_05]: So I really appreciate people like that that are able to draw that out of us.

[01:43:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:43:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's, that she's amazing.

[01:43:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:43:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I meant, not that we as Americans today can relate to that.

[01:43:46] [SPEAKER_02]: What the Israelites or later the Jews in the Holocaust went through.

[01:43:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, no comparison.

[01:43:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I meant the cultural rekindling of pride in a nation where that pride has been stripped or removed somehow.

[01:44:03] [SPEAKER_02]: That, that feeling could be similar.

[01:44:06] [SPEAKER_07]: Sure.

[01:44:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Not, not as detrimental but similar feelings.

[01:44:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So sorry for the back pedaling.

[01:44:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I just, I want to very clear that I am not trying to step on anybody's clothes.

[01:44:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to get a story race, the pain of history.

[01:44:22] [SPEAKER_02]: That is not mine.

[01:44:23] [SPEAKER_05]: You and I get off on tangent sometimes in a city to get lost and what we're, you know, just talking about.

[01:44:29] [SPEAKER_05]: And kind of, we sometimes misstep so it's a better to clarify than to not sure.

[01:44:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I interrupted you.

[01:44:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So apologies for cutting you off.

[01:44:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like I panicked for a minute.

[01:44:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You're fine.

[01:44:40] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:44:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's move on and run away, run away.

[01:44:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk a little bit more history.

[01:44:45] [SPEAKER_02]: This is just a little bit more to add to what we already covered in that history that we did over Daniel's final visions.

[01:44:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:44:55] [SPEAKER_02]: That was an intense episode.

[01:44:56] [SPEAKER_05]: We're not going to do two hours.

[01:44:58] [SPEAKER_05]: We're not doing that.

[01:44:59] [SPEAKER_05]: No, all right.

[01:44:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Great.

[01:45:00] [SPEAKER_02]: This is just a little bit more interesting stuff that I found that I was like,

[01:45:02] [SPEAKER_02]: oh, add that in.

[01:45:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:45:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So the visions of chapter 7 through 12 reflect the crisis which took place in Judea in 167 to 164 BCE

[01:45:13] [SPEAKER_02]: when Antiochist the fourth of Piffinese, the Greek king of the St. Louis' empire threatened to destroy

[01:45:21] [SPEAKER_02]: traditional Jewish worship in Jerusalem.

[01:45:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And when it ended.

[01:45:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, not just threatened but actively was doing that.

[01:45:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.

[01:45:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:45:30] [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't just threaten that he did do that.

[01:45:33] [SPEAKER_02]: When Antiochist came to the throne in 175 BCE, the Jews were largely pro-Solaceid.

[01:45:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Remember they they chose him at first.

[01:45:41] [SPEAKER_02]: They were like, let's throw our weight with this guy.

[01:45:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:45:45] [SPEAKER_05]: We see was briving people and he was trying to make the right to get into power.

[01:45:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:45:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:45:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Because he was the the vile guy that they nobody could stand later once they knew him for what he was.

[01:45:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:45:58] [SPEAKER_02]: The Salaeus-Solaceid empire was founded in 312 BCE by the Macedonian generals,

[01:46:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Salaeus-Kis the first.

[01:46:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Remember how we did that whole history and how it mattered because there were several

[01:46:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Salaeus-Kis' all the way down to the fourth.

[01:46:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I do vaguely, if you're asking me to recount.

[01:46:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no.

[01:46:17] [SPEAKER_05]: That actually a history that we want over then.

[01:46:19] [SPEAKER_02]: No, that was too much.

[01:46:20] [SPEAKER_05]: That's good, we're gonna be here for a while because I'll have to go back and you know,

[01:46:23] [SPEAKER_05]: re-listened.

[01:46:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, that was too many names.

[01:46:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying remember that there was a Salaeus-Kis and that's what the Salaeus-Sod empire is.

[01:46:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Following the division of the Macedonian empire that was founded by Alexander the Great.

[01:46:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:46:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So remember there was Alexander the Great and then suddenly he died and then

[01:46:43] [SPEAKER_05]: split into four sections.

[01:46:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

[01:46:49] [SPEAKER_02]: the North King of the South, John Snow.

[01:46:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, there you go.

[01:46:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[01:46:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Now we did it.

[01:46:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So the high-preasely family was split by rivalry and one member Jason offered the king a large

[01:47:02] [SPEAKER_02]: of money to be made high-preased.

[01:47:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And remember we heard that Antiochists sold the priesthood, but we never heard about the

[01:47:14] [SPEAKER_02]: other side of it, the person who bought the priesthood.

[01:47:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:47:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Remember we heard Antiochist was like, yeah, he was like vile and he was like,

[01:47:24] [SPEAKER_02]: honey and up to people and then like he was weird because he would like pop up in

[01:47:29] [SPEAKER_02]: the bathroom and bathhouses and he was trying to like rent office space and just he was

[01:47:34] [SPEAKER_02]: weird.

[01:47:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Throwing money at people like surprise.

[01:47:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know you, here's a present.

[01:47:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So one of the horrible things he did was sell the priesthood, the high-preased

[01:47:44] [SPEAKER_02]: office.

[01:47:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And so this guy, Jason was like, yo, I would totally like to buy that.

[01:47:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:47:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:47:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So Jason also asked or more accurately he paid to be allowed to make Jerusalem

[01:47:58] [SPEAKER_02]: a polis, which is a Greek city.

[01:48:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's like, hey, so I want to be the total head priest.

[01:48:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Does that sound good?

[01:48:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Here's like five million dollars or whatever the going rate is.

[01:48:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And then also on top of that could Jerusalem be like, I don't know, a Greek city that I get to be in

[01:48:15] [SPEAKER_02]: charge of when that be cool.

[01:48:17] [SPEAKER_05]: So he's basically paying to be in charge of a city that he wants to make Greeks.

[01:48:20] [SPEAKER_05]: So he's going to convert them all and force them to be Greek.

[01:48:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:48:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Is that that basically just of it?

[01:48:24] [SPEAKER_02]: That is the just of it.

[01:48:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So this meant among other things that city government would be in the hands of the citizens.

[01:48:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's what a Greek city was at the time, which actually sound good.

[01:48:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Work out very well for him though with the convert in them to Greek culture.

[01:48:44] [SPEAKER_05]: So that's the problem.

[01:48:46] [SPEAKER_02]: This would have also meant in turn that citizenship would be a valuable commodity

[01:48:51] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I see.

[01:48:52] [SPEAKER_02]: That you would have to purchase from Jason.

[01:48:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I see.

[01:48:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:48:56] [SPEAKER_02]: So he was like combining like Greek democracy with like Roman capitalism and being like this is awesome.

[01:49:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I love this plan.

[01:49:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Let us do this.

[01:49:08] [SPEAKER_05]: One of you have to buy your citizenship.

[01:49:10] [SPEAKER_05]: He can choose who wants to be citizens to.

[01:49:12] [SPEAKER_05]: It's a club.

[01:49:12] [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah.

[01:49:13] [SPEAKER_02]: This is not a city.

[01:49:14] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a gated community.

[01:49:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Right?

[01:49:16] [SPEAKER_05]: So be fair.

[01:49:17] [SPEAKER_05]: We kind of do that.

[01:49:17] [SPEAKER_05]: You don't automatically get to be a citizen just by because you're in the United States.

[01:49:21] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's true.

[01:49:22] [SPEAKER_05]: You have paid taxes and you have to have at least a birthright.

[01:49:27] [SPEAKER_05]: And you know, things like that.

[01:49:28] [SPEAKER_05]: So this is not an automatic club just by living here.

[01:49:31] [SPEAKER_02]: No, have you heard about those poor kids who they were homeschooled?

[01:49:38] [SPEAKER_02]: They were birthed at home.

[01:49:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Never their birth was never recorded.

[01:49:43] [SPEAKER_02]: They were homeschooled.

[01:49:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So they never had shot records or anything.

[01:49:46] [SPEAKER_02]: No school records.

[01:49:48] [SPEAKER_02]: They quote unquote graduated but they don't have

[01:49:51] [SPEAKER_02]: any records that they have.

[01:49:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So they have no social security numbers.

[01:49:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And now they are like having to jump through hoops.

[01:49:59] [SPEAKER_02]: There's like a whole generation of kids now out there.

[01:50:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Basically millennials, the majority of them who are online, they're in reddit, asking for help.

[01:50:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Does anybody know how to do I contact?

[01:50:13] [SPEAKER_02]: How do I contact?

[01:50:14] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[01:50:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And like I can so relate to that because I wasn't born.

[01:50:21] [SPEAKER_05]: In the United States?

[01:50:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah.

[01:50:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I was born on American soil overseas.

[01:50:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:50:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of.

[01:50:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:50:28] [SPEAKER_02]: A hospital that no longer exists.

[01:50:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And I had a report, a consulate report of birth of an American abroad.

[01:50:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Because my dad was Air Force but my mom had to go

[01:50:44] [SPEAKER_02]: to a hospital in Germany to have me even though my dad was stationed in Italy.

[01:50:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I had a birth certificate that was sent later after the announcement of the birth abroad.

[01:50:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And because I moved to the wall and I fucking misplaced both of those documents,

[01:51:04] [SPEAKER_02]: which I hated myself.

[01:51:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I have since found them.

[01:51:08] [SPEAKER_02]: But during this time period, my driver's license had expired.

[01:51:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And I hadn't driven for like a few years before.

[01:51:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Debacle.

[01:51:15] [SPEAKER_02]: This was a debacle.

[01:51:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I hadn't driven for three or four months.

[01:51:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So I didn't realize because I had also misplaced my driver's license.

[01:51:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize that it expired while it was misplaced.

[01:51:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So in order to get my driver's license,

[01:51:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I needed my birth certificate but to get my birth certificate,

[01:51:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I needed ID like for example a driver's license.

[01:51:38] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

[01:51:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And moreover, I had been married and divorced in Hawaii where

[01:51:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I was stationed in the army and I needed that because it had proof of a last name change.

[01:51:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And I couldn't get that without either.

[01:51:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So I had to have my mom contact the Hawaii consulate to ask for that on my behalf.

[01:52:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I had to contact the American consulate in Washington, DC,

[01:52:10] [SPEAKER_02]: to have them reissue my announcement of birth abroad.

[01:52:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we had to get our congressperson involved.

[01:52:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I contacted my congressperson.

[01:52:20] [SPEAKER_02]: They're the ones that set me up with the consulate in DC.

[01:52:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was a whole fucking mess.

[01:52:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's me with military background through my dad and through myself.

[01:52:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:52:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Finger printed because I had a security clearance while I was in the military.

[01:52:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Why do Americans like I had every privilege in the world?

[01:52:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I have family I could ask for help and it was still a goat screw.

[01:52:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it was.

[01:52:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So I cannot imagine what these poor kids are going through.

[01:52:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So way off topic.

[01:52:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Just wanted to put that out there.

[01:52:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.

[01:52:57] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[01:52:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So none of this stuff threatened with Jason asking, hey can I make my own gay to community and be in charge of it?

[01:53:06] [SPEAKER_02]: None of this threatened the Jewish religion and the reforms were widely welcomed because the

[01:53:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Jewish people were like, yeah, that's fine with us.

[01:53:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Hope that works out.

[01:53:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[01:53:17] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll pay for membership into this club.

[01:53:19] Sure.

[01:53:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Especially among the Jerusalem aristocracy and the leading priests.

[01:53:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[01:53:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So they were for it.

[01:53:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But three years later, Jason was deposed when another priest, Manalayas,

[01:53:31] [SPEAKER_02]: offered in Taya, because he didn't even larger some for the post of high priests.

[01:53:34] [SPEAKER_05]: That's problem with bot posts.

[01:53:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's the problem with bot in you.

[01:53:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:53:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You buy anything and somebody can always pay more.

[01:53:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[01:53:43] [SPEAKER_02]: If you're for sale, the question is not what did you buy and how much the question is, how much

[01:53:50] [SPEAKER_02]: somebody else will in to pay?

[01:53:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[01:53:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And Taya cause invaded Egypt twice in 169 BCE with success.

[01:53:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But then on the second incursion in late 168 BC, he was forced to withdraw by the Romans.

[01:54:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Got it.

[01:54:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Jason remember, he's the one that just had got out bot.

[01:54:12] [SPEAKER_02]: He heard a rumor that Entaikus was dead.

[01:54:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's like, yeah, so he went over an attack Manalayas,

[01:54:19] [SPEAKER_02]: because he's like, I'm on get my high priesthood back.

[01:54:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I like that neighborhood.

[01:54:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:54:24] [SPEAKER_02]: My gated community.

[01:54:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Oopsie, guess who wasn't dead.

[01:54:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Entaikus.

[01:54:28] [SPEAKER_02]: That's not wrong.

[01:54:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So Entaikus drove Jason out of Jerusalem plunder the temple and introduced

[01:54:35] [SPEAKER_02]: measures to pacify his Egyptian border by imposing complete

[01:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Hellenization.

[01:54:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So he turned it all Greek.

[01:54:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:54:43] [SPEAKER_02]: The Jewish Book of the Law, meaning the Torah, the instruction was prohibited and on

[01:54:50] [SPEAKER_02]: very specific date 15 December 167 BCE, this is historical not

[01:54:59] [SPEAKER_02]: supposition.

[01:55:00] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay, yeah.

[01:55:01] [SPEAKER_02]: The abomination of desolation probably a Greek altar was introduced into the temple.

[01:55:08] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[01:55:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So this actually happened under Entaikus and this is why it happened.

[01:55:13] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the story behind that story.

[01:55:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[01:55:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was so interesting.

[01:55:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So the Jewish religion is now clearly under threat at this point.

[01:55:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[01:55:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[01:55:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So a resistance movement spring up led by the Maccabee brothers.

[01:55:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:55:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's we want to read Maccabees.

[01:55:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Those are not in the Bible that we're rating so we're going to have to like get a hold of

[01:55:34] [SPEAKER_02]: a different Bible version or something because I got to read about these Maccabee.

[01:55:38] [SPEAKER_05]: It must not take in very long because you said this was 167 BCE and the

[01:55:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Maccabee Revolution had started in like 165 BCE, didn't it?

[01:55:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I honestly don't know.

[01:55:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm almost certain that's right.

[01:55:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Have new ideas because I do not do numbers.

[01:55:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Got it.

[01:55:52] [SPEAKER_02]: So over the next three years, the Maccabees and their whole resistance movement.

[01:55:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, one sufficient victories over Entaikus to take back and purify the temple.

[01:56:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So they want so spoilers.

[01:56:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:56:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[01:56:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Whenever we get to that now we know how it ends.

[01:56:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Um, the daily offering which used to take place twice a day at morning and evening stopped.

[01:56:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So that was one of the things Entaikus did to like strip them of their

[01:56:21] [SPEAKER_02]: culture.

[01:56:22] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[01:56:22] [SPEAKER_02]: The phrase evenings and mornings recurs throughout the chapters of Daniel as a reminder of the

[01:56:30] [SPEAKER_02]: missed sacrifices.

[01:56:32] [SPEAKER_05]: And our week we actually got into an argument one of the episodes about, you know, they were

[01:56:35] [SPEAKER_05]: they were saying the morning and the evening at sacrifices and 1000 or 1000 or 1000

[01:56:40] [SPEAKER_05]: whatever.

[01:56:41] [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, that was yeah.

[01:56:43] [SPEAKER_05]: It was brought up quite a bit.

[01:56:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:56:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's why.

[01:56:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:56:46] [SPEAKER_02]: So that specific event caused the specific word choice in the book of Daniel.

[01:56:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:56:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting, right?

[01:56:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So where is the events leading up to the sacking of the temple in 167 BCE and the

[01:57:01] [SPEAKER_02]: immediate after math are remarkably accurate.

[01:57:05] [SPEAKER_02]: The predicted war between the Syrians and the Egyptians.

[01:57:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Oopsie never took place.

[01:57:11] [SPEAKER_02]: That's in happens.

[01:57:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So you know, what else?

[01:57:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that prophecy that Entaikus would die in Palestine.

[01:57:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't happen.

[01:57:19] [SPEAKER_02]: He died in Persia.

[01:57:20] [SPEAKER_05]: It's funny.

[01:57:21] [SPEAKER_05]: So I think we kind of touched on this when we were going through it that the

[01:57:27] [SPEAKER_05]: prophecies that that happened to the things that they wrote before the time here at

[01:57:31] [SPEAKER_05]: really wrote it were like specifically correct.

[01:57:34] [SPEAKER_05]: But then you could kind of tell one they transitioned into these like

[01:57:37] [SPEAKER_05]: future prophecies where they're going to.

[01:57:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Some came to like this is going to happen over here.

[01:57:41] [SPEAKER_05]: And you're like okay.

[01:57:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:57:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, is it though?

[01:57:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the most probable conclusion is that the account must have been completed near

[01:57:52] [SPEAKER_02]: near the end of the reign of Entaikus.

[01:57:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why we talked about that too.

[01:57:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Like the Mac will be revolution happened in like 165 I think is what I recall.

[01:58:02] [SPEAKER_05]: And so if that's true, it sounds to me like that's probably about the time frame that this was

[01:58:06] [SPEAKER_02]: all cooking.

[01:58:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, sure.

[01:58:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:58:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So it would have been completed near the end of his reign.

[01:58:14] [SPEAKER_02]: But before Entaikus is death in December 164 BCE.

[01:58:19] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[01:58:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:58:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Or at least before the news of it reached Jerusalem.

[01:58:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Got it.

[01:58:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:58:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And the consensus of modern scholarship is accordingly that the book dates to the period 167 to 163 BCE.

[01:58:34] [SPEAKER_09]: There you go.

[01:58:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[01:58:36] [SPEAKER_02]: The end of Daniel except for the year always.

[01:58:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:58:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we got to have our contradictions episode still and then that will finish us up with

[01:58:47] [SPEAKER_05]: the whole book of Daniel.

[01:58:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:58:49] [SPEAKER_05]: And then you said we're getting into Hosea.

[01:58:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Hosea.

[01:58:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Hosea.

[01:58:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Hosea.

[01:58:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Hosea.

[01:58:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Hosea.

[01:58:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Hosea.

[01:58:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Probably Hosea.

[01:58:57] [SPEAKER_05]: So.

[01:58:57] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[01:58:58] [SPEAKER_05]: So we'll have that out.

[01:59:00] [SPEAKER_05]: What did today's Wednesday?

[01:59:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Today's Wednesday.

[01:59:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is a mountain Thursday.

[01:59:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[01:59:04] [SPEAKER_05]: And then Friday will be our contradictions episode.

[01:59:07] [SPEAKER_05]: And then.

[01:59:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So I think Sunday we will probably do a book club.

[01:59:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:59:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And then on Monday we'll start Hosea.

[01:59:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:59:16] [SPEAKER_05]: That sounds good.

[01:59:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:59:18] [SPEAKER_05]: From my take a day off on Saturday.

[01:59:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:59:20] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[01:59:20] [SPEAKER_02]: That sounds very, I mean my mouth is still jacked.

[01:59:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I think we deserve a day off.

[01:59:24] [SPEAKER_05]: You know that's good.

[01:59:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm all for it.

[01:59:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Good.

[01:59:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I say we do it.

[01:59:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[01:59:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do it.

[01:59:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I like this plan.

[01:59:29] [SPEAKER_05]: But only if you like it's on discord.

[01:59:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I hope you like it's on discord.

[01:59:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I like to break it down on you.

[01:59:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[01:59:35] [SPEAKER_05]: On discord.

[01:59:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean we won't know until next Wednesday.

[01:59:39] [SPEAKER_05]: I know, right?

[01:59:40] [SPEAKER_05]: So why don't we get on discord in between?

[01:59:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Well that's true.

[01:59:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought you were talking about the live.

[01:59:44] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[01:59:45] [SPEAKER_05]: But no, you let that index that gets his ass on the on discord.

[01:59:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Get your ass on this and the rest of you too.

[01:59:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[01:59:50] [SPEAKER_05]: The lives are so such fun.

[01:59:52] [SPEAKER_05]: So get over here and maybe we'll mention somebody else.

[01:59:56] [SPEAKER_05]: You know next time.

[01:59:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[01:59:57] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll tell it.

[01:59:57] [SPEAKER_05]: We're just going to call out people individually

[01:59:59] [SPEAKER_05]: until everybody's on there.

[02:00:01] [SPEAKER_05]: And that's how this is going to work.

[02:00:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:00:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So if we don't call you out, you should be sad.

[02:00:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly.

[02:00:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[02:00:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Because we call out people who's namely know.

[02:00:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we actually, you know, there's two people here tonight

[02:00:11] [SPEAKER_05]: that we called up to get them in here.

[02:00:14] [SPEAKER_02]: So because we are those assholes.

[02:00:18] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[02:00:19] [SPEAKER_05]: So that was the wrap up for the book of Daniel.

[02:00:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure, fuck was.

[02:00:23] [SPEAKER_05]: And we'll be back tomorrow with our contradictions episode.

[02:00:26] [SPEAKER_05]: You're always wrong.

[02:00:27] [SPEAKER_05]: That's the one.

[02:00:28] [SPEAKER_05]: So we will see you then.

[02:00:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Bye!

[02:00:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Wife.

[02:00:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what we're doing today?

[02:00:40] [SPEAKER_05]: We are officially wrapping up the book of Daniel.

[02:00:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we already wrapped it up to day what we were doing.

[02:00:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You're always wrong.

[02:00:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Sorry, I was wrong.

[02:00:51] [SPEAKER_02]: You were wrong.

[02:00:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Because I used the wrong words.

[02:00:53] [SPEAKER_05]: And I said wrap it up.

[02:00:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Which you meant what you said.

[02:00:56] [SPEAKER_05]: You said we already did that we did.

[02:00:58] [SPEAKER_02]: What you meant was we're doing our final Daniel episode.

[02:01:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And then we're moving the fuck on.

[02:01:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Technically, I do still have the weekly recap.

[02:01:06] [SPEAKER_05]: So of course.

[02:01:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Kind of the last one, but yes.

[02:01:09] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[02:01:10] [SPEAKER_05]: The last recorded episode is today.

[02:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:01:14] [SPEAKER_05]: So this is it for Daniel.

[02:01:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, fuck Daniel.

[02:01:16] [SPEAKER_05]: So you, so I'm going to be right today, right?

[02:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Nope.

[02:01:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Fuck.

[02:01:20] [SPEAKER_02]: You're always wrong.

[02:01:20] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[02:01:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Are you ready to get into the contradictions?

[02:01:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I sure is.

[02:01:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm all right.

[02:01:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's do this.

[02:01:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, don't be.

[02:01:33] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, honey.

[02:01:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Are you ready to get into this?

[02:01:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You're always wrong.

[02:01:38] [SPEAKER_05]: I honey.

[02:01:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:01:40] [SPEAKER_05]: You've literally, um, I,

[02:01:42] [SPEAKER_05]: you don't call me that normally.

[02:01:44] [SPEAKER_05]: If you're true.

[02:01:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:01:45] [SPEAKER_05]: And then not often, not often.

[02:01:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think you've ever called me that on the air.

[02:01:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I've never called you that on the air.

[02:01:52] [SPEAKER_05]: But I'm calling you out on it because I'm like, what?

[02:01:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I know you looked at me like the fuck.

[02:01:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I do call you that in real life sometimes.

[02:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Not sometimes.

[02:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Normally I call you babe.

[02:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:02:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Or boyfriend.

[02:02:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, so no, it was, it was, it was not completely unheard of in real life.

[02:02:09] [SPEAKER_05]: But it was definitely out of character if it was real life.

[02:02:12] [SPEAKER_05]: It was completely unheard of on the podcast.

[02:02:14] [SPEAKER_05]: This is a first.

[02:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[02:02:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.

[02:02:17] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I just, I was, I was like, what?

[02:02:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you were just looking at me like the fuck.

[02:02:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, because I'm like, what are you, what are you doing?

[02:02:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Honey, happen there.

[02:02:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Honey, honey, are you ready to do your,

[02:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: always wrong?

[02:02:29] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[02:02:29] [SPEAKER_02]: See, I started if you off.

[02:02:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[02:02:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[02:02:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Now you're just combobbing me.

[02:02:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Why was arguing with my wife so I was definitely wrong right there.

[02:02:36] [SPEAKER_05]: That was, that was bad start.

[02:02:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, no, I guess if I'm always wrong, that's a good start.

[02:02:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm just, I'm wrong.

[02:02:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You're just combobbulating it and flustered.

[02:02:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure.

[02:02:45] [SPEAKER_05]: You're just setting off with the right tone.

[02:02:47] [SPEAKER_05]: That's all.

[02:02:47] [SPEAKER_05]: That's exactly.

[02:02:48] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[02:02:48] [SPEAKER_05]: Fair enough.

[02:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, number one.

[02:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is a short one.

[02:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: We only have three questions here because you know Daniel's kind of like

[02:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: story form.

[02:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, doesn't matter.

[02:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That's it.

[02:02:56] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So these are all kind of like,

[02:02:59] [SPEAKER_02]: and we're just going to have fun with it.

[02:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Number one, is it okay to drink alcohol?

[02:03:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes or no, those are your choices.

[02:03:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to go with,

[02:03:11] [SPEAKER_05]: no, based on the people that came into town

[02:03:15] [SPEAKER_05]: when who was there was Jeremiah and he was,

[02:03:19] [SPEAKER_05]: he was praising the people I came with the name of the tribe was,

[02:03:23] [SPEAKER_05]: but they didn't drink and they, they were saying.

[02:03:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think it was specific.

[02:03:27] [SPEAKER_05]: I think, look, I think that I know people drink that

[02:03:31] [SPEAKER_05]: work oddly.

[02:03:32] [SPEAKER_05]: So obviously people did it, but I feel like maybe it's not right.

[02:03:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.

[02:03:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, in numbers, the nasorates like in numbers

[02:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: chapter six, the nasorates were not supposed to drink.

[02:03:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And then in Isaiah chapter 28, the priests and prophets were not supposed to drink.

[02:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And then in Daniel, you know, who has got one of God's favorite people, right?

[02:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:03:56] [SPEAKER_02]: In chapter one, he's like, no, thank you.

[02:03:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not supposed to drink.

[02:04:01] [SPEAKER_05]: So it's just certain people then.

[02:04:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And then Proverbs warns us all about drinking alcohol in chapter 20 and chapter 23.

[02:04:09] [SPEAKER_02]: They're like, don't.

[02:04:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[02:04:11] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[02:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that was more don't drink it to excess, but

[02:04:16] [SPEAKER_05]: that's the words that get tossed around mostly.

[02:04:19] [SPEAKER_05]: But they definitely, there is a stigma associated with drinking.

[02:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, when, me and you were getting married,

[02:04:26] [SPEAKER_02]: there was a minute when my parents were thinking about not coming to our reception

[02:04:31] [SPEAKER_02]: because there would be alcohol there.

[02:04:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And we were like, what?

[02:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[02:04:37] [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, there are Christians who think that the Bible says don't drink.

[02:04:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:04:41] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I don't.

[02:04:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Whatever.

[02:04:44] [SPEAKER_05]: And then you can think that if you want to.

[02:04:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You might even say that, but like, but then we're also going to show that they are also

[02:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: always wrong.

[02:04:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:04:52] [SPEAKER_02]: In addition to Proverbs mentioning, don't do it.

[02:04:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Isaiah also warns us about drinking alcohol in chapters 5 and 28.

[02:05:01] [SPEAKER_05]: God, why doesn't the Bible warn us about heroin?

[02:05:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It hadn't been invented yet.

[02:05:06] [SPEAKER_05]: But it's God.

[02:05:07] [SPEAKER_05]: God should know that.

[02:05:09] [SPEAKER_02]: God didn't talk to people about things that they would know nothing about.

[02:05:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[02:05:14] [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't impact his people.

[02:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So he knew he just kept it to himself.

[02:05:19] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[02:05:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe a so magic mushroom is just grow wild.

[02:05:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Is it where those okay?

[02:05:25] [SPEAKER_05]: I did that.

[02:05:26] [SPEAKER_05]: Did God have to prove those?

[02:05:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Is that what?

[02:05:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Do they grow as a dog when he went, I doubt it.

[02:05:30] [SPEAKER_05]: I know they're out west.

[02:05:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I honestly have no idea.

[02:05:33] [SPEAKER_05]: But they existed on the planet and God made the planet.

[02:05:35] [SPEAKER_05]: So they existed in that time.

[02:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But much like heroin, if it didn't grow where his chosen people were, it didn't impact them.

[02:05:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And that is the reason God doesn't mention things.

[02:05:49] [SPEAKER_02]: The people.

[02:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the apologists perspective.

[02:05:52] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[02:05:52] [SPEAKER_02]: The reason that God doesn't talk to his people about things

[02:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: that he should know about is not that he didn't know about them.

[02:06:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It's that he didn't, he didn't drown his people in information

[02:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: that they didn't need to know.

[02:06:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Got it.

[02:06:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Got it.

[02:06:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So he also didn't talk to them about Netflix and chill or Facebook.

[02:06:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:06:15] [SPEAKER_02]: How rumors should stay off of it and stuff like that.

[02:06:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I got it.

[02:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, but guess what, dear?

[02:06:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, dear.

[02:06:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Dear.

[02:06:22] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, yeah, what?

[02:06:24] [SPEAKER_02]: You're always wrong.

[02:06:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Because guess what?

[02:06:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course you can drink alcohol.

[02:06:29] [SPEAKER_02]: It's fine.

[02:06:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:06:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I was hate quoting Proverbs because that's just like a collection of poems or whatever.

[02:06:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you just like kind of like the fake Bible.

[02:06:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It is.

[02:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: In my opinion.

[02:06:42] [SPEAKER_05]: It's like here's a bunch of collections of shit.

[02:06:44] [SPEAKER_05]: We didn't know where else to put on.

[02:06:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Either history nor story.

[02:06:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why in Jewish books they call it, it falls in the writings.

[02:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's what it is.

[02:06:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's stuff.

[02:06:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the poetry section of the Bible.

[02:07:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, people describe a lot of meaning to those especially Christianity.

[02:07:04] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how.

[02:07:05] [SPEAKER_05]: How much meaning is described to them in Judaism because I don't really like you don't

[02:07:11] [SPEAKER_05]: ever hear about those from the Jewish person.

[02:07:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Only hear about the Tnak.

[02:07:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And then history.

[02:07:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Right, right.

[02:07:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And really hear about the writings and you don't hear a lot about the prophets honestly.

[02:07:21] [SPEAKER_05]: That would be an interesting discussion.

[02:07:23] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like.

[02:07:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Like it is not talking about the things that are in the Jewish text and how their

[02:07:30] [SPEAKER_05]: take on them differ from Christian version.

[02:07:34] [SPEAKER_05]: You know?

[02:07:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Like we know that there are different things that you guys have a lot of the same stuff.

[02:07:38] [SPEAKER_02]: But there's a few things that you have that they don't advice for stuff.

[02:07:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[02:07:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But that is even a different matter than, but how do you feel about those things?

[02:07:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of like when you start a new job, right?

[02:07:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And you get the company handbook.

[02:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So you know going in with all the rules are.

[02:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But you don't know the actual practice and feeling of this.

[02:08:03] [SPEAKER_05]: That's why you asked the next person next to you.

[02:08:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, what really matters here?

[02:08:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.

[02:08:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I know that this says that we wear pink on Wednesdays.

[02:08:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But like how strict is that?

[02:08:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[02:08:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Or like sometimes you'll go to a place and they're like, you absolutely have to wear black

[02:08:20] [SPEAKER_02]: pants.

[02:08:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And they stress that at the fucking interview.

[02:08:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So you go in thinking, oh my god, I need to go get black pants.

[02:08:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And so then you go shopping and you buy like three or four pair of black pants.

[02:08:29] [SPEAKER_05]: You walk in, you the only fucking person wearing black pants.

[02:08:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, oh, we don't take that seriously.

[02:08:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, then what the fuck?

[02:08:37] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[02:08:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So there's knowing the rules and there's knowing what's in the Bible, but then there's

[02:08:42] [SPEAKER_02]: the, but how do you feel about that?

[02:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And how are these rules actually practice?

[02:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of like don't murder and don't run a red light.

[02:08:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Those are both rules.

[02:08:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But we take don't murder a lot more seriously.

[02:09:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Like you get punished a lot more hardcore than the don't run a red light.

[02:09:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[02:09:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you get in trouble.

[02:09:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, you don't.

[02:09:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, to be fair, I've run a red light in downtown Dayton.

[02:09:12] [SPEAKER_05]: You did accidentally.

[02:09:13] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't drive cities very well.

[02:09:15] [SPEAKER_05]: No, you don't.

[02:09:16] [SPEAKER_05]: There's too many fucking lights.

[02:09:18] [SPEAKER_05]: Like you look ahead of you.

[02:09:19] [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm looking at like two lights ahead of you.

[02:09:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I missed the one that's like right there and also you have turned down the one

[02:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: wake when the wrong way more than once.

[02:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: More than once.

[02:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what me and the car.

[02:09:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So I only, I shuttered to think how bad you are.

[02:09:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But not in the car.

[02:09:36] [SPEAKER_05]: But am I, or am I not generally other other than cities downtowns?

[02:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Other than downtowns, you are the by far safest driver.

[02:09:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I know besides kid.

[02:09:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:09:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Either one of you, I feel perfectly safe and comfortable being the passenger.

[02:09:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm a nervous passenger.

[02:09:53] [SPEAKER_05]: I just don't navigate downtowns very well.

[02:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't.

[02:09:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't.

[02:09:58] [SPEAKER_05]: It's too much input.

[02:09:59] [SPEAKER_05]: It's too much.

[02:10:01] [SPEAKER_05]: It's overload.

[02:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it hurts your ADHD.

[02:10:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably.

[02:10:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, obviously.

[02:10:05] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[02:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But let's talk about how yeah, drinking is fine and Proverbs says that wine is a gift

[02:10:12] [SPEAKER_02]: from God in chapter nine of Proverbs.

[02:10:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And then God actually likes to have a little dranky poo too.

[02:10:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Does he?

[02:10:20] [SPEAKER_02]: According to Exodus chapter 29, numbers chapter 15 and judges chapter nine.

[02:10:26] [SPEAKER_06]: Huh.

[02:10:27] [SPEAKER_02]: He likes to get his drink on.

[02:10:29] [SPEAKER_06]: All right.

[02:10:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And then the Bible tells us to drink abundantly with our four skins uncovered in

[02:10:36] [SPEAKER_02]: some of soul man chapter five, which I forgot.

[02:10:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Four skins uncovered.

[02:10:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Cox out, rock out with your cock out.

[02:10:45] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[02:10:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Haven't you ever heard that?

[02:10:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no, I have.

[02:10:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I have a Bible.

[02:10:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Look out with your cock out in the Bible.

[02:10:51] [SPEAKER_05]: No, the original was yeah.

[02:10:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[02:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It's in song of soul man.

[02:10:54] [SPEAKER_02]: What everybody knows that.

[02:10:56] God.

[02:10:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, this is this.

[02:10:58] [SPEAKER_05]: This Bible is so old.

[02:10:59] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm fucking weird.

[02:11:01] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it just really is.

[02:11:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Hang onto that thought because since we only have three questions for today, I saw something

[02:11:09] [SPEAKER_02]: that took me down a rabbit hole like you know, you follow the link and then you read

[02:11:12] [SPEAKER_02]: a thing and it made me laugh.

[02:11:14] [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[02:11:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Hold on to that thought.

[02:11:16] [SPEAKER_06]: All right.

[02:11:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:11:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Rock out with your cock out and four skins uncovered as you drink.

[02:11:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Got it.

[02:11:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[02:11:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:11:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Number two.

[02:11:26] [SPEAKER_02]: What kind of animals may we eat?

[02:11:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Here's your choices.

[02:11:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Ready?

[02:11:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[02:11:30] [SPEAKER_05]: Your choices.

[02:11:31] [SPEAKER_02]: None.

[02:11:32] [SPEAKER_02]: It depends or any.

[02:11:35] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to go, wow, there's three choices, huh?

[02:11:37] [SPEAKER_05]: This is a weird.

[02:11:39] [SPEAKER_05]: So there must be three.

[02:11:41] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[02:11:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to go with it depends.

[02:11:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:11:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Because you know, there was definitely the clothing hoof stuff and not that.

[02:11:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm about to say, yeah, according to Deuteronomy and Leviticus, don't

[02:11:51] [SPEAKER_02]: eat animals that chew the cudd or divide the hoof.

[02:11:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:11:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, obviously you're right.

[02:11:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But guess what?

[02:11:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm, you okay.

[02:11:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You're always wrong.

[02:12:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So now what's your answer?

[02:12:04] [SPEAKER_02]: What kind of animals may we eat?

[02:12:06] [SPEAKER_02]: None or any.

[02:12:08] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to go with any, I guess, because like why would we not be able to eat animals?

[02:12:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, God agrees, because like after the flood in Genesis, vegan days were done

[02:12:19] [SPEAKER_02]: and over.

[02:12:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:12:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:12:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Eat what you like.

[02:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And then in Deuteronomy chapter 12, God gives permission to eat all the animals.

[02:12:27] [SPEAKER_05]: They literally keep like, you know, animals to eat and flock.

[02:12:32] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, they have them all over the place.

[02:12:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:12:34] [SPEAKER_05]: They slaughter them for their God.

[02:12:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:12:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It's fine.

[02:12:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:12:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But guess what?

[02:12:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You're still always wrong.

[02:12:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I call bullshit on that because guess what kind of animals we may eat.

[02:12:46] [SPEAKER_05]: I have what kind.

[02:12:47] [SPEAKER_02]: None.

[02:12:48] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't understand.

[02:12:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't remember this.

[02:12:49] [SPEAKER_02]: According to Genesis Proverbs and the book of Daniel, the fuck.

[02:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You should only eat no animals.

[02:12:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I, you're going to have to go over this with me because I missed this.

[02:13:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't understand what this is.

[02:13:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, in Genesis, before the flood, it was like, you know, everything grows in the planet

[02:13:09] [SPEAKER_02]: for you.

[02:13:10] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't need to, sure.

[02:13:12] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't need to kill to eat.

[02:13:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Was this it was this because they were taking on animals that they can't eat onto the ark?

[02:13:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably.

[02:13:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[02:13:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[02:13:21] [SPEAKER_05]: But I feel like that was like circumstantial.

[02:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I all know is that prior to the flood, he was like, don't eat animals.

[02:13:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:13:29] [SPEAKER_02]: After the flood, he was like, you could eat some animals.

[02:13:33] [SPEAKER_05]: But that could have been circumstantial because there's only two of you every animal.

[02:13:36] [SPEAKER_05]: So you don't want to eat the fucking meat.

[02:13:37] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to eat any of them.

[02:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:13:38] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[02:13:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But after the flood, when they all got off the ark, he was like, fine.

[02:13:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Eat the fucking animals.

[02:13:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Which, you would think would still be problematic.

[02:13:48] [SPEAKER_02]: It would be more problematic.

[02:13:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Because when they were like, just, you know, living in town or like hurting their animals

[02:13:56] [SPEAKER_02]: or even prior to that garden of eating or whatever, they were vegetarian.

[02:14:02] [SPEAKER_05]: They remember how quickly cane populated the world.

[02:14:05] [SPEAKER_05]: So I mean, it should apparently happen so quick, you know?

[02:14:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I have to wonder like if it wasn't nine months of pregnancy.

[02:14:14] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it went from him and his mom to like cities and no one was left.

[02:14:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:14:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So gross.

[02:14:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway.

[02:14:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And so then, Proverbs again, I hate to quote as it's just there.

[02:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: But it does.

[02:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It says be vegan.

[02:14:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, not, it doesn't use the word vegan, but it says don't eat meat bitch.

[02:14:32] [SPEAKER_05]: What does it say?

[02:14:33] [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.

[02:14:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Don't eat meat bitch.

[02:14:35] [SPEAKER_05]: It does not say don't eat meat.

[02:14:36] [SPEAKER_05]: But you're wrong this time.

[02:14:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I did not copy down the exact phrase because you have told me in the past that I put too many quotes

[02:14:46] [SPEAKER_02]: in these episodes.

[02:14:47] [SPEAKER_05]: I see, but that was curious.

[02:14:49] [SPEAKER_05]: I want to know about the which, which passage did I do?

[02:14:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even write them in the passage.

[02:14:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Not on this one because.

[02:14:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Shit.

[02:14:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Because there were three different answers.

[02:14:57] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[02:14:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And so for I wasn't going to write them in the comments.

[02:15:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I just figured this is really had three questions you can give me.

[02:15:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, listen.

[02:15:04] [SPEAKER_02]: You give me instructions and I follow them.

[02:15:07] [SPEAKER_02]: You make complaints and I change the format to make you happy.

[02:15:12] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[02:15:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm sorry.

[02:15:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I am always wrong.

[02:15:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And then in Daniel it's not that it tells us don't eat meat.

[02:15:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[02:15:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just that Daniel is like, oh no.

[02:15:24] [SPEAKER_02]: We can't eat meat.

[02:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Now I don't necessarily think that's the best example.

[02:15:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that Daniel was turning down.

[02:15:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Nebuchadnezzar's meat.

[02:15:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:15:36] [SPEAKER_05]: That was again circumstantial.

[02:15:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It had been sacrificed or blessed to another God.

[02:15:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:15:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Now we don't know that.

[02:15:44] [SPEAKER_02]: That was something that was suggested in one of our Q&A episodes as to why he would have turned down

[02:15:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Nebuchadnezzar's food from his table.

[02:15:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[02:15:56] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[02:15:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And the answer was because it had probably already been blessed to his to Nebuchadnezzar's God.

[02:16:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But it doesn't say that though.

[02:16:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:16:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Daniel was like, no, no, we don't eat meat.

[02:16:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.

[02:16:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And like told the guard, can we just let do veg?

[02:16:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Just let us do it for a week.

[02:16:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:16:16] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I remember that.

[02:16:17] [SPEAKER_05]: But again, but again, that was certainly the best.

[02:16:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:16:20] [SPEAKER_05]: And I just did a, I was a song to the proverb.

[02:16:24] [SPEAKER_05]: You said the other one was in songs.

[02:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm sorry, proverb.

[02:16:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Proverbs.

[02:16:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I just did a search for both.

[02:16:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Just to see if I could come up with the passage because I am curious.

[02:16:35] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[02:16:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I found it.

[02:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:16:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It is Proverbs chapter 23 verse 20 and it says, be not among why wine bibbers.

[02:16:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I guess people that drink a lot of wine is sure.

[02:16:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure.

[02:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Among riotous eaters of flesh.

[02:16:51] [SPEAKER_05]: But wouldn't okay.

[02:16:52] [SPEAKER_05]: So riotous eaters of flesh though.

[02:16:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Don't be eating that flesh.

[02:16:55] [SPEAKER_05]: Ramp of riotous seems to indicate that you shouldn't overindulge.

[02:16:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Not necessarily not eat at all.

[02:17:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I guess it depends on does the adjective riotous belong to the eaters of flesh

[02:17:10] [SPEAKER_02]: or does it belong to the eaters who are happening to eat flesh.

[02:17:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?

[02:17:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Is it riotous eaters, you know, a flesh?

[02:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Or is it riotous eaters of flesh?

[02:17:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Got it.

[02:17:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know.

[02:17:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't know.

[02:17:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't feel like this.

[02:17:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[02:17:29] [SPEAKER_05]: I still feel like this is a questionable.

[02:17:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm always wrong.

[02:17:34] [SPEAKER_05]: That's all.

[02:17:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you're right.

[02:17:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, oh.

[02:17:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.

[02:17:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Fair enough.

[02:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[02:17:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Change the name of this episode.

[02:17:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I was a little happy to write.

[02:17:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't go that far.

[02:17:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[02:17:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, there were several different answers to what kind of meat you can eat.

[02:17:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And mostly you should either not or be very discretionary about what kind of meat you eat.

[02:18:04] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[02:18:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And don't do it in large quantity.

[02:18:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Of course, according to the Bible, not according to the Bible.

[02:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah.

[02:18:09] [SPEAKER_02]: No, sorry.

[02:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't be riotous.

[02:18:12] [SPEAKER_05]: You will get that turkey leg at the ren fair.

[02:18:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I did too.

[02:18:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I like that was the whole reason I wanted to go to the ren fest.

[02:18:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I needed to walk around with a giant turkey leg.

[02:18:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you know what's socked.

[02:18:24] [SPEAKER_05]: Or so.

[02:18:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It didn't even taste that good.

[02:18:26] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought it tasted like ham.

[02:18:28] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:18:28] [SPEAKER_05]: I was I was I was I thought it was good, but I you know,

[02:18:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I was not expecting to bite into a leg of ham.

[02:18:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it tasted like ham and it didn't taste like it was fully cooked to me.

[02:18:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I wanted some kind of things giving turkey leg.

[02:18:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[02:18:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[02:18:46] [SPEAKER_05]: That's what I was expecting to bite into turkey.

[02:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:18:49] [SPEAKER_05]: It was not that.

[02:18:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it was turkey.

[02:18:51] [SPEAKER_05]: It almost felt like a mixture of meat.

[02:18:55] [SPEAKER_05]: It was really weird.

[02:18:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean it was a big leg of something.

[02:18:58] [SPEAKER_05]: It definitely was.

[02:18:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But it did not taste like turkey.

[02:19:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[02:19:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was very distraught because that's like all I wanted.

[02:19:07] [SPEAKER_02]: We went the year that they had a tardis.

[02:19:09] [SPEAKER_04]: They did.

[02:19:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And we got pictures of kid and their cousin.

[02:19:13] [SPEAKER_02]: My sisters and guest with with one of the doctors.

[02:19:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, that was just a random person.

[02:19:19] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it was the doctor and I don't want to hear your bullshit.

[02:19:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And it was the real tardis.

[02:19:23] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, okay.

[02:19:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[02:19:25] [SPEAKER_02]: That happened.

[02:19:25] [SPEAKER_05]: That's what that's what happened there.

[02:19:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[02:19:27] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[02:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to hear your bullshit.

[02:19:30] [SPEAKER_02]: The actual doctor with the actual tardis.

[02:19:32] [SPEAKER_05]: We're literally here criticizing the Bible.

[02:19:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but I'm aware that I'm pretending.

[02:19:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[02:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, when pressed, I'm admitting it.

[02:19:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But this is my world and in my world.

[02:19:46] [SPEAKER_02]: That sound that the tardis makes is wondrous.

[02:19:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you ever hear that story of the girl who was like a sleep in her car in a parking garage?

[02:19:55] [SPEAKER_02]: She was like between meetings or something.

[02:19:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And she was just like resting our eyes and napping.

[02:20:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And her windows were down and all of a sudden.

[02:20:04] [SPEAKER_02]: She heard the sound of the tardis.

[02:20:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And she woke up and like leaped out of her car and screamed,

[02:20:10] [SPEAKER_02]: wait, I'm here, I'm ready.

[02:20:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was just somebody's ringtone.

[02:20:17] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what to do.

[02:20:17] [SPEAKER_05]: What is this for real?

[02:20:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it's hilarious.

[02:20:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what to do.

[02:20:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[02:20:23] [SPEAKER_02]: The internet.

[02:20:25] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[02:20:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It was something that was going around on Facebook for a while.

[02:20:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I like it.

[02:20:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I think was, but I understand that.

[02:20:31] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like that was put on.

[02:20:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like that was like a set of pyrrish.

[02:20:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know because I could totally, I could totally see me doing that.

[02:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm coming out of a sleep and okay,

[02:20:43] [SPEAKER_02]: the other night, right?

[02:20:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I had this nightmare that this giant spider was on me.

[02:20:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Like the size of like a kitten.

[02:20:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And to the point that like I can still imagine how it's claw felt through my through the blanket and through my shirt.

[02:21:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And so in my sleep, I was calling for a kid to come help me to get this thing off of me.

[02:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, very proud of myself because I was like not panicking.

[02:21:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I was being very still because I did not want this son of a bitch spider to like kill me.

[02:21:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And the only problem is that I have a sleep paralysis where sometimes as I'm coming awake my mind wakes before my body.

[02:21:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Even though my mind is still in a dream state.

[02:21:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:21:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So my mind was trying to force my mouth to move.

[02:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, my mouth wouldn't move because my body was frozen in sleep state.

[02:21:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I've done this often enough that I was aware, oh, I'm dreaming.

[02:21:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So instead of continuing to try to force my mouth to move,

[02:21:54] [SPEAKER_02]: I rolled quickly off of the bed and through the blanket across the room so that when I did wake up,

[02:22:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like on the floor kind of dazed like,

[02:22:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, was there a spider?

[02:22:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And like logically I knew there's no fucking spider that big and leisure in Australia.

[02:22:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So I was shaking out the blanket but my point to that very long, irrelevant stupid story is that when I'm coming out of a sleep and I have just dreamt something that feels real or that feels like something that I want to be true.

[02:22:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[02:22:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It can feel real so I could see that happening.

[02:22:36] [SPEAKER_05]: Got it.

[02:22:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, to your story, I actually had something laying on me tonight and a land of my fucking forehead.

[02:22:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh.

[02:22:45] [SPEAKER_05]: And it was a stink bug.

[02:22:46] [SPEAKER_05]: When I didn't know that before I squished it, I'm fucking forehead.

[02:22:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that was terrible.

[02:22:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so sorry that happened to you.

[02:22:54] [SPEAKER_05]: It was terrible.

[02:22:55] [SPEAKER_02]: That's sad.

[02:22:56] [SPEAKER_05]: It's stunk.

[02:22:57] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, because of the stink bug.

[02:22:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:22:59] [SPEAKER_05]: But why did that?

[02:23:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Why did this stink bug have to land on my forehead?

[02:23:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[02:23:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not fair.

[02:23:04] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not fair.

[02:23:05] [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, yesterday I tripped walking up concrete stuff.

[02:23:09] [SPEAKER_05]: That's very either.

[02:23:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And not only did I trip when up concrete steps, the thing that I was going like kid was taking me out for Boba T.

[02:23:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And when I finally got my legs under me, it turns out that the place we were going was closed for.

[02:23:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember this word.

[02:23:28] [SPEAKER_02]: It was close.

[02:23:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Renovation.

[02:23:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Renovation.

[02:23:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I keep wanting to see reconstruction.

[02:23:33] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it was close for renovation.

[02:23:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So like, I broke my legs for nothing.

[02:23:37] [SPEAKER_05]: But you did end up getting Boba T.

[02:23:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, because mean kid went somewhere else.

[02:23:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm just saying, yeah, I feel he was not fair.

[02:23:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[02:23:44] [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't get anything for squishing a stink bug on my forehead.

[02:23:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Will you clean your face and got the stink bug off of him?

[02:23:50] [SPEAKER_05]: There is that.

[02:23:50] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that was, yeah.

[02:23:52] [SPEAKER_05]: I still don't feel like that's a fair trade off.

[02:23:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But you weren't going somewhere in the first place.

[02:23:56] [SPEAKER_05]: No, I wasn't.

[02:23:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You were just standing there.

[02:23:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, that's not the same.

[02:24:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[02:24:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:24:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That's not the same at all.

[02:24:03] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[02:24:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But I got Boba because that's what I was going for.

[02:24:06] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[02:24:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright.

[02:24:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So number three.

[02:24:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Is death final?

[02:24:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Ooh.

[02:24:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a hard one.

[02:24:15] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[02:24:16] [SPEAKER_05]: Your choices are yes or no.

[02:24:17] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no, I know.

[02:24:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to go with my perspective and that that.

[02:24:21] [SPEAKER_05]: It is absolutely final.

[02:24:22] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[02:24:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, of course you're right because in Joshua chapter 23, they mentioned that the dead

[02:24:29] [SPEAKER_02]: are going the way of all the earth.

[02:24:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And then in Isaiah chapter 26, it says they are dead.

[02:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: They shall not live.

[02:24:36] [SPEAKER_02]: They are deceased.

[02:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: They shall not rise.

[02:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I mean, we got this in Psalms and Job and Ecclesiastes.

[02:24:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Those writings is like I lumped them all into one little group where they mentioned

[02:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: that is dead bitches.

[02:24:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[02:24:49] [SPEAKER_05]: But then I also know your.

[02:24:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Your always wrong.

[02:24:53] [SPEAKER_05]: We're talking about fucking zombie.

[02:24:55] [SPEAKER_05]: We get zombie.

[02:24:56] [SPEAKER_05]: And then you got the empty.

[02:24:57] [SPEAKER_05]: And it's by.

[02:24:57] [SPEAKER_02]: We have zombies up in here.

[02:24:59] [SPEAKER_05]: Zombies for days.

[02:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Remember how I said just now that in Isaiah chapter 26, it says they are dead.

[02:25:05] [SPEAKER_02]: They shall not live.

[02:25:06] [SPEAKER_02]: They have deceased.

[02:25:07] [SPEAKER_02]: They shall not rise.

[02:25:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:25:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Guess what?

[02:25:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Just kidding.

[02:25:09] [SPEAKER_02]: In that same fucking verse.

[02:25:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:25:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Or I'm sorry.

[02:25:12] [SPEAKER_02]: That same fucking chapter.

[02:25:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Not verse.

[02:25:13] [SPEAKER_02]: The same chapter.

[02:25:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It says.

[02:25:15] [SPEAKER_02]: The dead men shall live together with my dead body.

[02:25:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Shall they rise?

[02:25:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Fucking zombies.

[02:25:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And then in Ezekiel chapter 37, it says, I will open your graves and cause you to come up out of your graves and bring you into the land of Israel.

[02:25:33] [SPEAKER_09]: Got it.

[02:25:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Fucking zombies.

[02:25:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And then in Daniel, which is the whole point of this.

[02:25:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Chapter 12, it says, and many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake.

[02:25:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

[02:25:48] [SPEAKER_05]: And then we at the time we talked about how that was kind of a weird, um,

[02:25:52] [SPEAKER_05]: that it was a newer way of talking about the future.

[02:25:56] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, relating to afterlife and essentially like it was a, it's a more

[02:26:01] [SPEAKER_05]: modern, with regard to the Bible, some more modern take on the Christian view.

[02:26:07] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:26:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Which makes sense because it's closer to Christian times.

[02:26:11] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[02:26:11] [SPEAKER_05]: But we still talking about zombies though.

[02:26:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[02:26:14] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like whatever.

[02:26:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Fucking dead people walking around.

[02:26:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I can do it.

[02:26:18] [SPEAKER_02]: How about that?

[02:26:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:26:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.

[02:26:20] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. So that's all the questions that I have, but I promised a joke.

[02:26:24] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[02:26:25] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. So one of the links that I read, um,

[02:26:28] [SPEAKER_02]: led me to another link to another link to another link.

[02:26:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[02:26:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And I came across something that said, what does Jesus have written on his testicles?

[02:26:36] [SPEAKER_09]: Oh.

[02:26:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, I'm sorry. What?

[02:26:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. Here's the thing.

[02:26:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I know we're not here yet, but just something to hold on to.

[02:26:44] [SPEAKER_02]: In the book of Revelation, which is the final book of the New Testament.

[02:26:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[02:26:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So the last book of the entire Bible.

[02:26:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:26:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Again, we're not there yet.

[02:26:52] [SPEAKER_05]: Not even close.

[02:26:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. But there's a verse in there that says,

[02:26:55] [SPEAKER_02]: and he has on his vester and on his thigh,

[02:27:00] [SPEAKER_02]: a name written king of kings and lord of lords.

[02:27:04] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, no, what a thigh is in the Bible.

[02:27:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:27:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So okay. So this is a whole conversation and this guy says,

[02:27:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. I'm not so sure about this.

[02:27:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Jesus might not have anything written on his testicles,

[02:27:17] [SPEAKER_02]: but he doesn't have something written on his thigh,

[02:27:19] [SPEAKER_02]: at least if you believe the book of Revelation.

[02:27:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:27:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he says, but since thigh is a biblical euphemism

[02:27:25] [SPEAKER_02]: for testicle, it may literally be that Jesus has king of kings

[02:27:30] [SPEAKER_02]: and lord of lords.

[02:27:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Tattered on his testicles or, you know, his scrotomer, whatever.

[02:27:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Wouldn't that be so cool?

[02:27:38] [SPEAKER_02]: All bet he has king of kings on one side and lord of lords

[02:27:42] [SPEAKER_02]: on the other.

[02:27:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I see.

[02:27:43] [SPEAKER_02]: He's the type.

[02:27:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And then okay.

[02:27:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So then somebody, or I'm sorry, he went on to say,

[02:27:52] [SPEAKER_02]: and it would go well with the rest of his outfit.

[02:27:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he describes more Jesusy stuff,

[02:27:57] [SPEAKER_02]: which I'm not going to be sure.

[02:27:58] [SPEAKER_02]: We should get him. We're not there yet.

[02:27:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Right. Right.

[02:28:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But then somebody commented on that, wow, that's scary.

[02:28:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So on judgment day, you'll know it's Jesus.

[02:28:05] [SPEAKER_02]: If some scary fella, T-bags you and he's writing on his sack,

[02:28:10] [SPEAKER_02]: got it.

[02:28:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And then somebody said, one if the Magdalene has a tramp stamp too.

[02:28:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-uh.

[02:28:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:28:18] [SPEAKER_05]: No, we should make it a thing.

[02:28:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Like, you know, like if enough people will leave that Jesus had

[02:28:23] [SPEAKER_05]: these things tattooed on his balls, maybe Christians

[02:28:25] [SPEAKER_05]: are going to start getting their balls tattooed, right?

[02:28:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you should have seen all of the Christians

[02:28:31] [SPEAKER_02]: commenting how horrible this was.

[02:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, dude, I'm just reading the fucking Bible.

[02:28:36] [SPEAKER_07]: Right. Yeah.

[02:28:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Literally it says this.

[02:28:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And we all know that Thym and then Christians were like,

[02:28:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Where does it say that Thym means?

[02:28:44] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, I was about to say, the Christians don't know a goddamn thing

[02:28:47] [SPEAKER_05]: about what Thym Bible says.

[02:28:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.

[02:28:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is it doesn't say that Thym actually means

[02:28:55] [SPEAKER_02]: testic, you would have to actually study outside of the Bible

[02:28:59] [SPEAKER_02]: and they frown on that.

[02:29:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, study outside the Bible and understand the translations

[02:29:04] [SPEAKER_05]: as they come down through time and everything like that.

[02:29:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.

[02:29:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And what they would say instead of you're fucking not sack.

[02:29:12] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[02:29:13] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:29:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Somebody else said could this tattoo be what Catholic priest

[02:29:17] [SPEAKER_02]: is elously look for when hiring a new altar boy?

[02:29:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, Jesus.

[02:29:23] [SPEAKER_05]: That's horrible.

[02:29:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that is horrible.

[02:29:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Jesus.

[02:29:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:29:27] [SPEAKER_02]: You can edit that out if you want them.

[02:29:29] [SPEAKER_02]: That might be a step too far.

[02:29:30] [SPEAKER_05]: This is where I'll leave it in, but damn.

[02:29:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah.

[02:29:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So those were those were the jokes that I found that I had to share

[02:29:39] [SPEAKER_02]: just because I had Dick on the brain.

[02:29:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah.

[02:29:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we'll because earlier because it said, you know,

[02:29:48] [SPEAKER_02]: the whole rock out with your cock out thing.

[02:29:49] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, sure.

[02:29:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:29:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And four skins.

[02:29:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[02:29:53] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[02:29:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So, as your drink in your alcohol, you got to drink it surrounded by

[02:29:57] [SPEAKER_02]: four skins.

[02:29:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:29:58] [SPEAKER_05]: You didn't want to be around the bush.

[02:30:00] [SPEAKER_05]: You just kind of stopped Dick and around him and you don't pull

[02:30:02] [SPEAKER_05]: up the jokes.

[02:30:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:30:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:30:03] [SPEAKER_05]: I got it.

[02:30:05] [SPEAKER_02]: You cracked it open.

[02:30:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, enough enough that.

[02:30:11] [SPEAKER_05]: So do you have anything else forced there?

[02:30:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely not that was the way too far.

[02:30:16] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[02:30:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Way too many.

[02:30:18] [SPEAKER_05]: So that was our contradictions episode.

[02:30:20] [SPEAKER_05]: Sure.

[02:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So that was the first book was.

[02:30:21] [SPEAKER_05]: And that means we are done with Daniel.

[02:30:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Fuck Daniel all the way to Mars and back.

[02:30:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And hopefully Josiah is better.

[02:30:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Josiah, Jose.

[02:30:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Jose.

[02:30:33] [SPEAKER_05]: One of them dudes.

[02:30:34] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[02:30:34] [SPEAKER_05]: You were like mixing like Jeremiah with whatever.

[02:30:37] [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what you're doing either.

[02:30:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Isaiah and Jeremiah.

[02:30:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Josiah.

[02:30:41] [SPEAKER_05]: It was like a.

[02:30:42] [SPEAKER_05]: It was like a.

[02:30:43] [SPEAKER_05]: Might be more from power Rangers.

[02:30:45] [SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to get together.

[02:30:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Whatever.

[02:30:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we all know that my brain can't hold too many things at once.

[02:30:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:30:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm still I'm still stuck on four skins.

[02:30:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't I can't be expected to get the name.

[02:30:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Jose is straight when I'm thinking about Dicks.

[02:31:01] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's that's fair.

[02:31:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate that.

[02:31:05] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[02:31:06] [SPEAKER_05]: I think that's all we got today guys.

[02:31:09] [SPEAKER_02]: You sure fuck is.

[02:31:10] [SPEAKER_05]: We'll be back at Walght the weekly wrap up out here.

[02:31:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, because on we saw that we're going to do a book club.

[02:31:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Right, right.

[02:31:21] [SPEAKER_05]: So book club on Sunday and then we get wrap up out.

[02:31:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And then on Monday we'll be back with our skins chapter one.

[02:31:30] [SPEAKER_05]: No Jose chapter one wife literally gave a blank stare for a minute.

[02:31:35] [SPEAKER_05]: Even after we just said the book of the Bible has had to point that out.

[02:31:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Well.

[02:31:40] [SPEAKER_05]: All right guys have a good day.

[02:31:42] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, bye.

[02:31:43] [SPEAKER_03]: That by.

[02:31:50] husband.

[02:31:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Why do you know what we're doing today?

[02:31:53] [SPEAKER_05]: Something we haven't done in quite a while, actually.

[02:31:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I know it was weird like I don't even know where all my notes were.

[02:32:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I had to find everything.

[02:32:03] [SPEAKER_05]: This is this is the one thing that we kind of slough off whenever we don't have our weekend put together correctly.

[02:32:08] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[02:32:09] [SPEAKER_05]: We apologize to those of you following this.

[02:32:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this has been least favorite.

[02:32:13] [SPEAKER_05]: Well, there's there's that.

[02:32:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Suck my leg is blue club in your bag.

[02:32:17] [SPEAKER_05]: It's not.

[02:32:18] [SPEAKER_02]: No, but I know.

[02:32:19] [SPEAKER_05]: Some people do like this.

[02:32:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Like in there they they they ask for it.

[02:32:24] [SPEAKER_05]: So and we so what are we.

[02:32:26] [SPEAKER_05]: What are we sac religious the book clubbing today?

[02:32:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we are reading.

[02:32:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Tails and legends a treasury of Jewish folklore.

[02:32:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And we're in part four chapter six, which is animal tales on page 621.

[02:32:45] [SPEAKER_05]: All right.

[02:32:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Let's do this.

[02:32:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:32:52] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[02:32:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So we are talking about some Jewish animal tales today.

[02:32:58] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[02:32:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're all really short and a lot of them are about foxes.

[02:33:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So I was like, I wonder if fantastic Mr. Fox was influenced by like a Jewish tale.

[02:33:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I looked it up, but it's not.

[02:33:11] [SPEAKER_05]: That was that was anti climactic.

[02:33:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was perfectly climactic because you know,

[02:33:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted a thing to be true and it wasn't.

[02:33:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was disappointed.

[02:33:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And unfortunately, that's the way it be.

[02:33:26] [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, yeah.

[02:33:26] [SPEAKER_02]: But it has that feel to it got it.

[02:33:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not though.

[02:33:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:33:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So animal tales.

[02:33:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about it.

[02:33:34] [SPEAKER_08]: What?

[02:33:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But the invention of fables like making up moral stories and stuff.

[02:33:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Mark a significant moment in teaching people morals and wisdom.

[02:33:46] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[02:33:47] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:33:47] [SPEAKER_02]: It was a big deal because they're like not just we can use stories to describe how this is supposed

[02:33:52] [SPEAKER_05]: to work.

[02:33:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.

[02:33:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they're not just imparting like account of the corn or weaponry or making shit up.

[02:34:04] [SPEAKER_06]: Sure.

[02:34:04] [SPEAKER_02]: That's cool.

[02:34:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Fables used animals, birds and plants with human personalities to tell stories about life

[02:34:11] [SPEAKER_02]: and its lessons, which yeah.

[02:34:14] [SPEAKER_02]: By using indirect storytelling and short clever phrases, I think that that word clever,

[02:34:21] [SPEAKER_02]: there is doing some heavy lifting from what I could read.

[02:34:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Fables were able to teach people important things in a very simple way.

[02:34:30] [SPEAKER_02]: They were very popular among ordinary people.

[02:34:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, I would say that that's probably because they were easily repeatable as oral

[02:34:38] [SPEAKER_02]: stories.

[02:34:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[02:34:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:34:40] [SPEAKER_05]: And they're fun.

[02:34:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's incredibly speaking.

[02:34:43] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like the best of them are dad jokes.

[02:34:46] [SPEAKER_02]: The worst of them aren't like horrible brain.

[02:34:49] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, rather like listen to some Jewish animal tales and fables then say sit

[02:34:57] [SPEAKER_02]: through a UN summit.

[02:35:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there you go.

[02:35:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[02:35:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, the Jewish people did not invent or significantly develop fables.

[02:35:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:35:09] [SPEAKER_02]: In general, like they were not the first people to do animal fable things.

[02:35:15] [SPEAKER_02]: They were good at translating and adapting fables from India and Greece in particular.

[02:35:21] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[02:35:21] [SPEAKER_02]: When you compare Jewish fables to those of other people, you can see that they mostly copied

[02:35:26] [SPEAKER_02]: from Hindu and Greek sources.

[02:35:29] [SPEAKER_05]: That's very interesting.

[02:35:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I found it interesting as well.

[02:35:32] [SPEAKER_05]: The Hindu influence really kind of surprises me a little bit.

[02:35:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But they're Eastern teaching.

[02:35:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[02:35:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah.

[02:35:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Rabbi Meyer, a very famous Jewish teacher from the second century and being well read in Greek

[02:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: and Latin literature used fables to educate people.

[02:35:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:35:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So a lot of people today still admire him.

[02:35:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And as a matter of fact, like I read a thing that said that some traditional Jewish

[02:36:02] [SPEAKER_02]: fables actually have a donation box attached to their wall in their living room or whatever,

[02:36:10] [SPEAKER_02]: where sometimes the old wives like the older women will like toss coins to commemorate

[02:36:17] [SPEAKER_02]: him still today.

[02:36:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So this dude again was from the second century.

[02:36:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:36:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, through though the tell mood records that he collected 300 fables, so

[02:36:31] [SPEAKER_02]: he like collected not necessarily wrote them all.

[02:36:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But he collected 300 of them at least and only about 30 survived through time.

[02:36:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he adapted these into these stories from different cultures to fit the needs of Jewish life.

[02:36:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Like because people, the fate of the wicked, which is the first one we're going to read.

[02:36:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:36:54] [SPEAKER_02]: His storytelling skills made him a legendary figure and several anecdotes in the agada portray him as a

[02:37:01] [SPEAKER_02]: skilled teacher of ethics and a great man.

[02:37:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's so much admired and revered to this day.

[02:37:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, then there's this other dude been a Dictus Le punctur.

[02:37:11] [SPEAKER_05]: That sounds like a pope name almost.

[02:37:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[02:37:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It does, right?

[02:37:15] [SPEAKER_02]: He's a Jewish grimmerian from the Middle Ages.

[02:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And he's believed to have contributed to medieval fable literature.

[02:37:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And while a large number of the stories in this particular, oh, I'm sorry, in his collection

[02:37:28] [SPEAKER_02]: of Fox Fables, which that's why I was thinking, Mr. Fox.

[02:37:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Many of those are Asops.

[02:37:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Others are of origin of Indian origin and quite a few are original Jewish fables that he like made up himself.

[02:37:44] [SPEAKER_06]: Got it.

[02:37:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And this been a Dictus Le punctur.

[02:37:48] [SPEAKER_02]: His boxes are very clever and argumentative like Jewish scholars.

[02:37:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And their laughter and irony have the traditional Jewish ingredients of Jewish tales.

[02:38:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Even though he, this dude's from the Middle Ages, he's not like from early Jewish days.

[02:38:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:38:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And it is very possible that England's first introduction to Asop, like Asops tales,

[02:38:15] [SPEAKER_02]: was through a Latin translation of Benedictus's fables.

[02:38:20] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[02:38:21] [SPEAKER_02]: So I just thought all that was some interesting shit.

[02:38:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:38:25] [SPEAKER_02]: So that was the introduction to this section.

[02:38:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And now we are going to get into some stories and they're all super short.

[02:38:33] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[02:38:34] [SPEAKER_02]: The first one, I didn't love that much.

[02:38:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I've called the Fate of the Wicked, as I said, I'm only reading it because it was specifically mentioned in the intro.

[02:38:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And because he was so revered.

[02:38:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[02:38:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So the Fate of the Wicked on page 622.

[02:38:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Once a fox said to a wolf, if you want to enjoy a good meal, take my advice and to the courtyard of any Jew on Friday and help them in his preparations for the Sabbath.

[02:38:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Rest assured that he will reward you for this by asking you to partake of the Sabbath feast.

[02:39:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I would do that right?

[02:39:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But basically like if you go and volunteer to help set up, you get to stay in eat.

[02:39:12] [SPEAKER_09]: Got it.

[02:39:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So the wolf was enchanted with the seeded by some of the fox and decided to follow it.

[02:39:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But we all know foxes.

[02:39:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're fly.

[02:39:21] [SPEAKER_05]: They're they're crafty.

[02:39:22] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a fly fox.

[02:39:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they specifically refer to them as Sly Fox.

[02:39:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And it makes me laugh because that's exactly what Judy officer Judy hops in Zutopia calls Nick Wilde.

[02:39:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:39:36] [SPEAKER_02]: She says.

[02:39:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Sly Fox and he says smart bunny.

[02:39:40] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[02:39:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And he says.

[02:39:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But no sooner did the wolf show his base in the courtyard of a Jew than the entire household

[02:39:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Bellapon him was sticks and trounced him so soundly that he barely managed to escape with his life.

[02:39:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, no.

[02:39:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:39:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Full of wrath.

[02:39:57] [SPEAKER_02]: The wolf went in search of the fox and when he found him, he wanted to tear him limb from

[02:40:01] [SPEAKER_02]: limb.

[02:40:02] [SPEAKER_09]: Sure.

[02:40:02] [SPEAKER_02]: The fox tried to modify him.

[02:40:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't carry on.

[02:40:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So he said, I'm not to blame because they beat you.

[02:40:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not to blame your father instead.

[02:40:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Pay attention to what I'm going to tell you now.

[02:40:13] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, your father.

[02:40:15] [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.

[02:40:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Like your dad, your mother.

[02:40:17] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, joke like that?

[02:40:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:40:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:40:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So the fox is telling a story now to wolf about the wolf's dad.

[02:40:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:40:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Once a Jew asked your father to help him in his preparations for the Sabbath and for that he promised

[02:40:30] [SPEAKER_02]: to invite him to the feast.

[02:40:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But your father had no patience and devoured all the delicious courses and did not leave the

[02:40:39] [SPEAKER_02]: food.

[02:40:39] [SPEAKER_02]: You even want little chicken bone.

[02:40:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Now can you understand why the Jew beat you?

[02:40:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But don't lose heart.

[02:40:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Leave it to me.

[02:40:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I'll lead you to a house where both of us can have our fill of a delicious feast.

[02:40:50] [SPEAKER_02]: The wolf gratefully agreed.

[02:40:53] [SPEAKER_02]: The fox then lent the wolf to a well over which hung two buckets suspended from ropes.

[02:40:59] [SPEAKER_02]: This like you could see where this is going right.

[02:41:02] [SPEAKER_02]: When one bucket went down, the other came up.

[02:41:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I still see where this is going.

[02:41:06] [SPEAKER_02]: The fox climbed into one bucket and quickly descended to the bottom of the well.

[02:41:11] [SPEAKER_02]: What did you do when down there?

[02:41:12] [SPEAKER_02]: As the curious wolf from above, my huge never seen anything like it.

[02:41:17] [SPEAKER_02]: The fox cried out with rapture.

[02:41:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I found here me and cheese and other good things to eat.

[02:41:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Just look down.

[02:41:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't you see what a great big cheese is down here?

[02:41:29] [SPEAKER_02]: The wolf looked down and sure enough saw the reflection of the moon mirrored in the water.

[02:41:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But he believed that it was a cheese as the fox had told him because apparently wolves are stupid.

[02:41:38] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[02:41:38] [SPEAKER_02]: His appetite wedded.

[02:41:40] [SPEAKER_02]: The wolf could hardly control himself any longer.

[02:41:42] [SPEAKER_02]: How can I get down?

[02:41:43] [SPEAKER_02]: He called to the fox.

[02:41:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Like didn't you just watch him do it?

[02:41:47] [SPEAKER_05]: What happened?

[02:41:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Very simply said the fox get into the other bucket and join me.

[02:41:52] [SPEAKER_02]: The wolf climbed into the bucket with a lacquerity, but no sooner was he in.

[02:41:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Then the weight of his body pulled him down to the bottom of the well.

[02:41:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And at the same time pulled up the other bucket carrying the fox who jumped nimbly out.

[02:42:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[02:42:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Tebris sees the wolf when he saw what had happened.

[02:42:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I get up again.

[02:42:09] [SPEAKER_02]: He cried to the wolf.

[02:42:11] [SPEAKER_02]: The fox merely answered him with the saying from the book of Proverbs.

[02:42:16] [SPEAKER_02]: The righteous is delivered out of trouble and the wicked come at them instead.

[02:42:21] [SPEAKER_09]: What did the wolf do that was wicked though?

[02:42:24] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[02:42:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[02:42:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't make it work in my head because I was like wait.

[02:42:33] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean just because he's a wolf, I guess.

[02:42:36] [SPEAKER_05]: I said is that the whole thing?

[02:42:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm like it seems to me that the fox was the.

[02:42:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:42:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:42:40] [SPEAKER_05]: No.

[02:42:41] [SPEAKER_05]: I agree.

[02:42:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So the righteous is delivered out of trouble and the wicked come at his head.

[02:42:47] [SPEAKER_05]: The fox tricked him.

[02:42:49] [SPEAKER_05]: That's his moon.

[02:42:50] [SPEAKER_02]: What I'm seeing is maybe the wolf is going to get out of trouble.

[02:42:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But the wicked, the fox comes in instead.

[02:42:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm right behind you.

[02:43:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Troubles always follow in you.

[02:43:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't know how you're going to get out.

[02:43:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you will.

[02:43:05] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[02:43:06] [SPEAKER_05]: But.

[02:43:06] [SPEAKER_05]: So I see that whatever.

[02:43:08] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[02:43:09] [SPEAKER_05]: I feel like this is just to play on the wolf as evil and the fox is the righteous when apparently.

[02:43:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And also like that story which wolf do you feed the good wolf for the best?

[02:43:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[02:43:18] [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I don't really appreciate the the message because the fox is kind of an asshole.

[02:43:23] [SPEAKER_02]: He's always an asshole in these stories of why I.

[02:43:27] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[02:43:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So we're about to read another fox tale.

[02:43:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:43:29] [SPEAKER_02]: This one picks up on the very next page 623 and it's called the advantage of being a scholar.

[02:43:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm sorry.

[02:43:38] [SPEAKER_02]: The feet of the wicked was by that one.

[02:43:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Cool rabbi.

[02:43:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And also it's adapted from the agatta of the tomood.

[02:43:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:43:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:43:47] [SPEAKER_02]: What's this one?

[02:43:48] [SPEAKER_02]: This one is not particularly listed anywhere.

[02:43:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's just a story.

[02:43:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[02:43:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:43:53] [SPEAKER_02]: The advantage of being a scholar, a fox looked up into a tree and saw crow sitting on the top

[02:43:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Most branch.

[02:44:00] [SPEAKER_02]: The crow looked mighty good to him for he was hungry.

[02:44:04] [SPEAKER_02]: He tried every while to get him down but the wise old crow only leared contentuously down

[02:44:10] [SPEAKER_02]: at him.

[02:44:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Foolish crow.

[02:44:12] [SPEAKER_02]: The fox said, Benteringly, believe me.

[02:44:15] [SPEAKER_02]: You have no reason to be afraid of me.

[02:44:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't you know that the birds in the beast will never have to fight again?

[02:44:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Haven't you heard the Messiah is coming?

[02:44:23] [SPEAKER_02]: If you were a Talmud scholar like me, you surely know that the prophet Isaiah has said that

[02:44:29] [SPEAKER_02]: when the Messiah comes, the lion shall lie down with the lamb and the fox it with the crow.

[02:44:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And there shall be peace forever more.

[02:44:35] [SPEAKER_05]: But my question would be why are you trying so hard to get me down from this tree?

[02:44:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[02:44:39] [SPEAKER_05]: Like I don't have to come down.

[02:44:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:44:41] [SPEAKER_05]: Even if we do get along.

[02:44:42] [SPEAKER_02]: We are the best of friends.

[02:44:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I like you so much way far away over there.

[02:44:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:44:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And as he stood the speaking sweetly, the bang of the hounds was heard.

[02:44:52] [SPEAKER_02]: The fox began to tremble with fright and started running for his life.

[02:44:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you know what happens when the dogs come right?

[02:44:58] [SPEAKER_09]: They take kill a fox.

[02:45:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Foolish fox croaked the crow pleasantly from the tree.

[02:45:04] [SPEAKER_02]: You have no reason to be afraid.

[02:45:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Since you're a Talmud scholar and know what the prophet Isaiah has said.

[02:45:09] [SPEAKER_06]: Right?

[02:45:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh true.

[02:45:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I know what the prophet Isaiah said.

[02:45:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure if he could get the foxes.

[02:45:15] [SPEAKER_02]: He's slung into the bushes.

[02:45:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But you see, the trouble is the dogs don't.

[02:45:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of liked that one.

[02:45:23] [SPEAKER_02]: That would make me smile and I was like, I will read it to the people.

[02:45:28] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[02:45:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Now we skip a few pages page 628.

[02:45:33] [SPEAKER_02]: The wise bird and the foolish man.

[02:45:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And I really like this one.

[02:45:38] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[02:45:40] [SPEAKER_02]: A bird catcher once caught a bird.

[02:45:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, as bird catcher.

[02:45:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:45:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But it was an extraordinary creature that understood all the 70 languages of mankind.

[02:45:51] [SPEAKER_02]: 70.

[02:45:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Precisely 70.

[02:45:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Not 71 and not 68.

[02:45:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas it's minder standing that there are hundreds and hundreds of languages today.

[02:46:00] [SPEAKER_05]: I would imagine, yeah.

[02:46:02] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[02:46:02] [SPEAKER_05]: I'll look it up.

[02:46:03] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[02:46:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, she understood whatever 70 languages existed back then.

[02:46:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:46:09] [SPEAKER_02]: She therefore pleaded with her captor in his own tongue.

[02:46:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And I said, let me free and I will impart to you three useful teachings.

[02:46:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Tell them to me first.

[02:46:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Then I will release you said the bird catcher.

[02:46:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.

[02:46:21] [SPEAKER_02]: First give me your solemn oath that you will keep your word answer the bird.

[02:46:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I swear to such a free reply to the man.

[02:46:28] [SPEAKER_02]: The bird then spoke pay heed then.

[02:46:30] [SPEAKER_02]: This is very important.

[02:46:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[02:46:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[02:46:33] [SPEAKER_02]: The first teaching is never regret what has already happened.

[02:46:37] [SPEAKER_02]: The second teaching is don't believe the incredible.

[02:46:40] [SPEAKER_02]: The third teaching is never tried to achieve the unattainable.

[02:46:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Having taught the man her wisdom, the bird pleaded set me free now as you promised and the bird catcher agreed and set her free.

[02:46:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.

[02:46:55] [SPEAKER_02]: At that, the birds spread her wings and flew to the top of a high trainer by and from there she mocked at the man below.

[02:47:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Fool that you are, you let me out of your grasp not knowing that I carry in my body a priceless pearl through

[02:47:09] [SPEAKER_02]: magic power.

[02:47:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I've become wise when the bird catcher heard this he regretted the folly that had led him to release the bird.

[02:47:17] [SPEAKER_02]: To retrieve his loss he began to climb the tree upon which the bird was perched but barely had he reached halfway

[02:47:23] [SPEAKER_02]: when he lost his hold and fell to the ground.

[02:47:26] [SPEAKER_02]: There he lay with broken bones, moaning and pain.

[02:47:30] [SPEAKER_02]: The bird looked down upon him and laughed.

[02:47:32] [SPEAKER_02]: He is stupid fool she chided him.

[02:47:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But a few moments have passed since I imparted to you my wisdom and already you have forgotten it.

[02:47:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I told you never to regret anything that has happened and almost immediately you were granted giving me my freedom.

[02:47:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I taught you not to believe the incredible and nevertheless you accepted as truth, my fairy tale that I carry in my body a wonder working pearl.

[02:47:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Know that I am nothing but a common bird who has to forge for her nourishment from hour to hour.

[02:48:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Lastly, I cautioned you against trying to achieve the unattainable and nonetheless you undertook to capture a bird on the wing with your bare hands.

[02:48:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you did not heed me you now I broken and bleeding about such as you is the proverb a proof enter it more into a wise man than a hundred stripes unto a fool.

[02:48:25] [SPEAKER_02]: There are unfortunately many symboltons like you among men.

[02:48:30] [SPEAKER_05]: That's a true rhythm.

[02:48:32] [SPEAKER_05]: Just real quick, there are currently in the world today 7151 languages.

[02:48:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I said several hundred.

[02:48:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, I just thought I threw that out there.

[02:48:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate knowing that considering that they were just trying to say 70 fucking languages.

[02:48:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Because God knows everything.

[02:48:49] [SPEAKER_05]: Somebody will be like, well that was thousands of years ago.

[02:48:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever.

[02:48:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't with you.

[02:48:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that is bullshittery.

[02:48:57] [SPEAKER_02]: It's finest.

[02:48:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's disingenuous.

[02:48:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not even trying.

[02:49:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So the answer the correct response is that man created God and that man did not know that there were other people's on other continents that they didn't even know existed.

[02:49:15] [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't know the continents existed much less the people.

[02:49:18] [SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.

[02:49:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So of course they didn't know how many languages there were so their God couldn't either.

[02:49:23] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[02:49:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So what's not, you know, play around here.

[02:49:27] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[02:49:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So how did you like the wise bird and the foolish man?

[02:49:31] [SPEAKER_05]: That was a good message actually.

[02:49:34] [SPEAKER_05]: I thought so too.

[02:49:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And I like that she immediately tested him.

[02:49:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Like she was like, here's the info pop quiz but didn't tell him it was a pop quiz.

[02:49:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And she's like literally you're an idiot.