Bible Study by Atheists Weekly: Daniel Chapters 1 - 5 plus Q&A and Patreon Teaser

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[00:00:43] on. Husband, Wife, do you know what the hell we're doing today? Well, this is kind of a special day we're starting a new book of the Bible. Something like that. So what are we starting today?

[00:01:04] We're starting Daniel. The book of Dan Yolk. Okay, all right, not the tribe of Dan. I like the tribe of Dan. That was one of my favorite things in the early bit. Dan the man. Yeah, but now we're starting the book of Dan Yolk. Daniel. Daniel.

[00:01:20] Not Dan Yolk. Dan, no, no, it was I was trying something cute and it didn't work. So Danny Boy. So what do you want to say anything about the book before we get into this or

[00:01:32] we have with? I have some shit to talk about when we get into it. Okay, all right. So Daniel, here we go. Yeah, let's do it. Okay. All right, let's hop into the book of Dan Yolk. Okay. Before we do though, I thought I would read a little

[00:01:52] bit about who is Daniel? What's this book? What's happening? I never heard of this guy. Except I guess I did because I was right when I said that I thought there was something

[00:02:01] some story about Daniel and some lions or some... Ray Ray. And yeah, that's going to happen. Okay, I think there's a lot of... I've heard a lot of stories that go over the years about people

[00:02:13] putting the lion thing to the test maybe. I don't know what that means. Well, I could be wrong but I think if it's the lion story I'm thinking of, you'll not receive any harm by being an

[00:02:25] lion to dinner or something like that and then some pastures over the years have decided to test that theory and it doesn't always go swimmingly for them. I was going to say I bet that

[00:02:36] again I don't know if this is the reference but like just it if it is then this has gotten some people dead. So, I'm just saying... Guys let's not. Yeah, don't don't quite a lion then

[00:02:49] that's not this much smart. So the book of Daniel was authored sometime during the second century BCE. Okay. The consensus of modern scholarship is that the book dates to the period of 167 to 163 BCE. So this is significantly after the Babylonian exile. Okay. Now that's when it was

[00:03:10] written but it takes place prior to that. Really? Yes. Okay. It is set during the sixth century BCE. Okay. Yeah, so this year is so confusing. I am a bit confused because I feel like this

[00:03:26] makes the whole book retrofitted to what they want it to be. Yes, but and also... Right. Okay. Because it's referenced heavily in the New Testament so it's not only retrofitted but another religion entirely retrofits their religion too Daniel. Which is retrofitted.

[00:03:48] You know what I'm saying? That's fun. Yeah. Yeah. So this is more like we kind of got on this idea in Ezekiel where some of the ideas were starting to change and this is kind of like furthering

[00:04:01] some of those ideas maybe. I don't know about that. We're getting back into story lands. The first few chapters but let me just continue. We'll talk about that. Sure. Okay. It's generally accepted that the book of Daniel originated as a collection of aeromacic quart tales. That's particularly

[00:04:20] true of I think the first six chapters are just stories. God. I may extories. Okay. They were later expanded by the Hebrew revelations. Okay. So they were aeromacic stories and then the Hebrew people who are Hebrew speak Hebrew do Hebrew. They they staple it together and we're like

[00:04:41] your mind now. Got it. Okay. The quart tales may have originally circulated independently so they weren't like you know staple together. Six stories here you go. So some of these ideas might

[00:04:54] have come from early arom they just weren't put together and show later is that okay. All right. I'm just trying to make sure I understood. Yep. They circulated independently but the edited collection was probably composed in the third or early second century BC. Okay. So we've got this

[00:05:10] whole wide swath of like 400 years between when it takes place versus all the way 400 years later when it was actually written. Got it. Yeah. Okay. The author and or editor was probably an educated Jewish person knowledgeable in Greek learning and of high standing in his own community.

[00:05:30] So not Daniel. Not Daniel. Okay. All right. And the reason that I emphasized knowledgeable in Greek learning is because there were several Greek translations of these stories as well and they don't all

[00:05:44] match up exactly the same. Okay. So we've got aromake, Hebrew and Greek versions of these stories running around. Got it. Okay. Yeah. But somebody again picked up the aromake one's Rotem and Hebrew

[00:05:58] staple them together and said let's call it done. Sure. Okay. So it's possible that the name oh wait. Yeah. It's possible that the name of Daniel was chosen for the hero of the book because

[00:06:10] of his reputation as a wise seer in Hebrew tradition. Okay. So that's something that's one of those old things that kind of got handed down or whatever and this they're just okay. So it

[00:06:22] made sense to make this name person whatever represent this book. Yes. Essentially. Yes. But it's not necessarily these stories are not necessarily all quote unquote Daniel. Um, necessarily. I'm just saying because like you said that it would they picked the name. Mm-hmm. Daniel so it doesn't

[00:06:42] sound like it's necessarily written about a guy named Daniel. Correct. But a character named Daniel does um play the major part in the book. Sure. In the book. Right. Because that name or that

[00:06:56] person permeated Jewish culture. Sure. Or something. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. I wasn't quite following. So I just want to make sure. Got it. So we've got a person Daniel versus a character Daniel. And

[00:07:07] I'm just saying as opposed to like a Zee Heal Road as he Heal right? Or I say a road Isaiah. Got it. You know, like not necessarily because those those were also with by the people in edited by other

[00:07:17] people or something too. But essentially those those books were based on a character that actually did something all right. There's there's not a Daniel a Daniel a Daniel. Yeah Daniel sorry. I'm having

[00:07:31] a hard time with this name. There's not a Daniel who sat down and wrote some stories. Got it. So this book is not written by Daniel. And the actions weren't necessarily taken by a person named

[00:07:43] Daniel. Correct. Daniel ends up representing the person that is taking the action. Correct. Got it. Think we're all clear now. Okay. Sorry. It's one of the clarifies it. Yep. You're good. Um Daniel is one of a large number of Jewish apocalypse stories. Mm-hmm. Okay. And all of these

[00:08:00] kind of apocalypse story. Well all of these kinds of stories are soon not, good grief. Su down the miss. Okay. Anonymous. Yeah. Su down him. Yeah. Su down on the miss. Yeah. I thought that's what it was.

[00:08:15] Okay. I don't know. I'm really sorry. I'm just having so many problems. I should probably not be doing this right now. But I'm gonna just you know go ahead. Yeah. Just trick on the story. Yeah. Yeah. So um the apocalypse stories are not like

[00:08:33] and then a nuclear bomb went off in this story was about how mankind survived afterwards. Okay. Um the apocalypse stories are about the end of time because God comes and smights everything. Oh. You know what I mean? Like end of days apocalypse. Well, okay.

[00:08:52] Does that make sense? I'm confused. Okay. So this, hmm. I'm struggling here because you said that this is set at like 600 BCE. Yes. But in those stories where it takes place they for tell

[00:09:06] some things that are to come. Okay. So people 400 years later are taking some random stories from this time frame and they're saying look at these prophecies that are from, let's call them Daniel. And they're going, there's some bad shit that's gonna happen at

[00:09:25] some point in the future based on these writings. Even though when they were written, they were written at the same time as the other Babylonian exile prophets that were that were predicting the demise of Israel because of Babylon. But now that is past that we

[00:09:41] have to like make it mean something else probably. So since we're 400 years later we can make this sound really smart and about something else. Sure. That's how it sounds to me. That's what

[00:09:50] is not your love for us. You know, it sounds like that's what's your telling me. You're not for us. Okay. So the first several chapters like one through six remember I told you are like stories. Yeah.

[00:10:03] They are about this guy named Daniel who was a noble exiled at Babylon. And he was exiled there when he was a child and it's about how he and his buddies were brought up in the Babylon court.

[00:10:18] Okay. Okay. Yeah. And that's the first six chapters. The ones after that are something different. Okay. And I'll get into that in a minute. Okay. Christian interpreters have always viewed the stories recorded in Daniel as predicting events in the New Testament. Okay.

[00:10:35] Because we've got this son of God is mentioned and the son of man and Christ in the anti-Christ, that kind of thing. We've got this stuff happening. Really? Well, keep in mind, Christ is not in

[00:10:46] the name. No, I know. It's a title. Correct. So you know it's actually supposed to be like Jesus the Christ. Not Christ. Yeah. No, I got it. So when they say Christ and the anti-Christ, they're not like talking about Jesus. It's about Jesus. It's about the future

[00:11:03] the Savior of what they say. And they talk about a Messiah. Sure. Like even Zikil talked about a Messiah. Sure. So but not the Christ or not specifically Jesus Christ. This like some Messiah guy. And so this is like

[00:11:17] I know right, like some Messiah guy. Like he's totally a Christ totally. Right. Like whatever that means. You know? Yeah. And the books intended audience though, we have to keep in mind is the Jews of the

[00:11:32] second century BCE. Sure. Not Christians. Right. So I really appreciated that note because it serves as a solid reminder that this was not written to a piece of Christian audience to retrofit their

[00:11:46] shit. No, Christianity took this and ran with it. You served it. Yes. And they're religion fit around all of these puzzle pieces. Sure. Which you know, very clever, very well done. Yeah. But

[00:11:58] stop. I mean if you want to create a new religion or a new group or a new sect in a religion is definitely helps to take the old stuff and and use it to base your new ideas off of. And that

[00:12:09] way you can get people to believe it, right? So if you want to break away, they hate this is what's happened. And now we're going to be separate over here because those people got it wrong. Yeah.

[00:12:20] So I don't know whatever. Sure. I'm sorry. I'm curious about this book. This this this book. Sorry. Yeah. I wanted to say chapter. I wanted to say all of this before we get into it because

[00:12:33] it to me and matters. Yeah. You know what I mean? The book can be divided into two parts. Like I said, the first six chapters are a set of six quart tales. Okay. Which is what I said.

[00:12:44] Yeah. And they were mostly written in Aramaic. Okay. Yeah. Which kind of what I said. The next chapters 7 through 12 are four apocalyptic visions mostly written in Hebrew. Okay. So there's that. Now having said that, the Deutero canonical books contain three

[00:13:09] additional sections. Okay. And I'm going to try to get my hands on these. The Deutero canonical. What does that mean exactly? It just means that there were three stories running around back then that sometimes we're in versions and sometimes we're not got it. So for whatever reason,

[00:13:27] these were left out of the final product. Okay. But they were present at the same time. All right. They say there's stories over there. There's still in the Jewish version of whatever

[00:13:39] if this is something that's in there or what I don't even know if Daniel's in there for sure, but I would assume it is. I'd have to look. I think so. Yeah. I don't fucking know. All right. Oh no.

[00:13:48] I do know. I did see this. It is listed as one of the writings instead of one of the profits. Okay. So because of the time period that they were putting all this together,

[00:14:04] this one was a late comer. Right. And so they stuck it in the writings. Also because it's stories instead of. And I would also imagine that this holds a lot more weight for Christians and therefore during the split between Christianity and Judaism probably gave this less weight

[00:14:23] with the Jewish community than it did. You know what I mean? Like they might have tried to distance themselves from this a bit. Right. Yeah. No doubt that makes total sense. So the three stories

[00:14:34] that are left out that again, I'm really going to try to get my hands on are the prayer of Azariah and Song of the three holy children. That's one. All right. The next one is Susanna. Yeah. Oh,

[00:14:49] and that third one. This is the one I really want. Belle and the dragon. Right. Yeah. We've heard reference to that before. We have. I don't know where, but somewhere in our readings. Sure. But yeah.

[00:15:04] I want these. Right. I want to read them. And I think if we are able to find copies or translations online or something, when we get to the end of what is this Daniel? Right. I'd like to read those three

[00:15:20] as though they are part of because they I think should be, you know, they were running around at the same time. Yeah for sure. Okay. This book is filled with monsters, angels and numerology,

[00:15:33] drawn from a wide range of various sources. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, we've got the, you know, aromig and there's some Persian stuff. So. Right. Right. Just like very exciting. Yeah. The book of Daniel

[00:15:48] is a composite text of dubious historicity. Meaning it's not telling you shit that actually happened or it's recording events that may or may not be exactly how they went down. Right. And these are from various genres. And Daniel himself is a legendary figure. God. He's not a real

[00:16:08] person. So this is just, it's a fiction. That's why it's in the right. Yeah. Okay. So let me tell you a little bit more. Oh, you know what? No, that was the end of the intro. Okay. Then it's into my notes.

[00:16:21] Sounds good. Monotes. So are we ready to start this chapter for me? I'm ready. Yeah. Let's talk about Daniel Daniel. Daniel chapter one in the third year of the reign of Wakkekim King of Judah.

[00:16:37] So we're back there. Okay. Nebuchadnezzar King of Babylon came to Jerusalem and besieged it. Sounds familiar. Yeah. Yeah. And the Lord delivered, lucky King of Judah into his hand along with some of the articles from the Temple of God, which we recall this. Right. These he carried

[00:16:57] off to the Temple of his God in Babylonia and put the treasure house and put it in the treasure house of his God. Then the King ordered Ash Penaz, chief of his court officials, to bring into the King

[00:17:10] service some of the Israelites from the royal family and the nobility. Yeah. Okay. That's when as he killed when. Young men without any physical defect, handsome, showing aptitude for every kind of learning well informed quick to understand and qualified to serve in the King's palace. Okay. So

[00:17:30] here's the thing he wanted them like super handsome so that they looked great. So no ugly people. Yeah. Right. And he wanted them to be really smart so we could train him up because the child

[00:17:40] day ends were the main people at this point of the Babylonians. Oh. And remember they were the smart astrology guys. Yeah. So a lot of the Babylonian people were of Chaldean, either like that's what they were or they were of Chaldean descent. Got it. And that came straight

[00:18:00] from my notes. I'm not just pulling that out of my ass. I saw the look on your face. But that's why he wanted smart kids that were handsome. Got it. Okay. He was to teach them the language and literature

[00:18:13] of the Babylonians. The King assigned them a daily amount of food and wine from the King's table. They were to be trained for three years. And after that they were to enter the King's service.

[00:18:26] Okay. So he's basically like taking kids from somewhere else and he's like, you're my servant now and you will learn our ways. Got it. Which is interesting to me. It makes anything of in game of

[00:18:40] thrones. Theon. Theon. Like he was the one that was not related to John Snow and the family, but they took him in and he was actually from a different family. Right. But they always treated him as

[00:18:58] though he was part of the family. Yeah. So it makes me feel like it's kind of that kind of thing. You know, among those who were chosen were some from Judah. Daniel, Hannah and I am a

[00:19:09] shale and Azariah. The chief official gave them new names to Daniel the name, Beltesis's are to Hannah and Ia, Shadrak, to Michelle, Michelle and to Azariah Abanego. Okay. So they did have their

[00:19:30] Jewish names but now they have Babylonian names because they're Babylonian now. Right. Make peace with that. But Daniel resolved not to defile himself with the royal food and wine. And he asked the chief

[00:19:42] official for permission not to defile himself this way. Now God had caused the official to show favor and compassion to Daniel, but the official told Daniel, I am afraid of my Lord the King who is

[00:19:55] assigned your food and drink. Why should he see you looking worse than the other young man your age? The King would then have my head because of you. And like I can only do so much. My God. Right.

[00:20:05] Yeah. Daniel then said to the guard whom the chief official had appointed over Daniel, Hannah and Ia, Michelle and Azariah please test your servants for 10 days. Give us nothing but vegetables to eat and water to drink. Then compare our appearance with that of the young man who

[00:20:23] eat the royal food and treat your servants in accordance with what you see. So he's like just try it. Sure. So the due to greed to this and tested them for 10 days. At the end of the 10 days,

[00:20:37] they looked healthier and better nourished than any of the young men who ate the royal food. I'm sure this was God's time. Oh it was. It was yeah we're going to

[00:20:47] God's going to play a big part in this. Yeah, I can already tell that this is going to be a sickening amount of like God did this for them and God did it. It reminds me of like

[00:20:59] Moses and the Pharaoh. Right. When Moses was like, I'm totally want to do this and the Pharaoh was like no and he was like just try me. And then you know of course God had Moses's back right?

[00:21:13] Yeah. So anyway so the guard took away their choice food and the wine they were to drink and gave them vegetables instead. So I'm like all right, on the general look like shit. Right. I'm

[00:21:22] fine with that. What else? Yeah. To these four young men God gave knowledge and understanding of all kinds of literature and learning and Daniel could understand visions and dreams of all kinds

[00:21:35] because of course he could. He could also Joseph. Right. Now I'll say it sounds very similar to Joseph. Yes. Yes. At the end of the time set by the king to bring them into his service,

[00:21:46] the chief official presented them to Nebuchadnezzar. The king talked with them and he found none equal to Daniel, Hannah and I am a shale and Azaria. So they entered the king's service. Okay. So they are in. Yeah. In every matter of wisdom and understanding about which the

[00:22:04] king questioned them, he found them ten times better than all the magicians and enchantsers and his whole kingdom. Wow. And Daniel remained there until the first year of King Cyrus. The end Oh. Okay. That's the first chapter. Got it. So that's our introduction to Daniel.

[00:22:23] Which apparently the first chapter was written a lot later and as an intro. Okay. I do have a little note about that. We can just jump right in. We got to we got to give a

[00:22:35] little bit of backstory here. Yeah. Chapter one was apparently added as an introduction to the tales when they were collected around the end of the third century BCE. Okay. And this chapter talks about the three guys and Daniel. Daniel on his three guys.

[00:22:49] I can actually appreciate that because we have actually been talking all through the Bible how there's a very much a lack of character development. Yeah. Right. And now we finally have some character development. Right. Which is just nice change, actually. It is. It's like,

[00:23:06] hey, remember back when this warship was happening and remember when that King was stealing people, remember? Remember? And I'm like, oh yeah. Do you remember that? Thank you. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:23:19] I find it very helpful. I will say that knowing that this is about this is written so far after these events hypothetically took place does take away from the magic that maybe some people

[00:23:33] that read this to think that this is a real thing might feel. Yeah. So it's not that I would feel the magic either way because I don't believe in God, but it does strike more of a this is like

[00:23:49] fanfic of a little bit of writing or something. Yeah. I think in the time. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. But that being said, I might be able to enjoy this book with you might be able to enjoy the first six chapters which are story. Let us not forget that

[00:24:08] what comes after is something different. Right. No, I got it. Yeah. But this type of writing is because of somewhat... It's palatable. It's palatable. Yeah. And that's all I'm going to say for now

[00:24:20] because I don't really know much about Daniel and I don't know much about the chapters. After the first six chapters or really any of them. But I mean, so far so good. So far so good. Right.

[00:24:31] We have a story going. I'm really intrigued. I want to see what happens next. I'm in. Yeah. I mean we're reading it. We got to read it anyway. Sure. I would like to be enthusiastic rather than God damn

[00:24:42] I hate this fucking book. Definitely. So I'm in. Definitely definitely. All right. Well that was the first chapter of Daniel. Sure. It's a book. And we will be back tomorrow with Daniel chapter two. All right. We'll see you then. Bye. Wait. Do you know where we are today

[00:25:06] and how the hell we got here? Well, we are in Daniel the book of Daniel. Yeah. The book of Daniel. And we just finished with Daniel chapter one. Yeah. And in that chapter we're kind of getting the

[00:25:20] backstory on Daniel. They said how it comes across. Yeah. It's like an intro. Right. Right. Right. And we're back in the Babylonian exile. Right. And Daniel was one of the people that was

[00:25:32] taken in that first round of exile in where they took the best and the brightest and the youngest and the prettiest and the most beautiful and whatever. And so they took them to Babylon.

[00:25:43] And these were that Daniel and some other kids that they mentioned. His buddies. His buddies. Yeah. His bros. His homies. We're young and godly apparently. And they were told that they had to eat

[00:25:57] certain things but they were like nom and they went and talked to the guard and they're like, can you help us out here man? Like we're and he's like, I don't know you guys might not look as

[00:26:07] good as other people when you don't meet the right things and it just gives a chance and then they did and everything worked out because God I guess whatever. And then and then they became the

[00:26:16] best in the brightest and that's where we are. That is an amazing recap. Yes, that's what happened what they're about. I mean it was a sort of very storyline driven so like to tell the

[00:26:32] synopsis of what happened. I kind of have to tell the story. That's true. And so to shorten the story I have to make it sound stupid. Yes. And so that's what I did. You succeeded. You succeeded. Good job.

[00:26:45] Thanks. Thanks. I appreciate that. I was really going for like the best synopsis of Daniel chapter one ever and I think I fell a little short. No, I think no, I won. Okay. All right. Right. Yeah.

[00:26:57] So that was Daniel chapter one. Sure. That was. Which means that today we're getting into Daniel chapter two. All right. Let's do this. Okay. Okay. We are happening in two. The second chapter. Yeah. Yes. A big D. That's this. This is the new.

[00:27:20] Okay. That's his name instead of easy cow now we're in big D. Sure. Fuck. All right. All right. So Daniel. Daniel. Yeah. Just as a reminder, this book is divided into two parts and we are still in the first part

[00:27:34] right. Which is chapters one through six. Is it's a shorter book? Yeah. There's only 12 chapters. Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay. And I felt like it might be but I wasn't sure. So yeah. The first six are a set of quart tales. Okay. And they're basically about like Daniel and

[00:27:52] his buddies and how they are like challenged to do godly things and then God helps them and they succeed. Yeah. How wonderful. And then seven through 12 are about four apocalyptic visions. Of course.

[00:28:07] And then there's three stories that are left out of our Bible that were in some of the earlier renditions that we're also going to read later. Okay. Sounds good. So all right. Let's get over here

[00:28:19] into chapter two. Okay. Okay. Yeah. In the second year of his reign, Nebuchadnezzar had dreams. You know, as you do. Yeah. His mind was troubled and he could not sleep. He got trouble right here

[00:28:34] in his brain hole. Yeah. So the king summoned the magicians and chanters, sorcerers and astrologers to tell him what he had dreamed. Okay. When they came in and stood before the king, he said to them,

[00:28:47] I have had a dream that troubles me. And I want to know what it means. This sounds very much like the story of Joseph and yeah. It does. I mean like this is it's a story but later. Yeah. It's the

[00:28:59] same story. Yeah. Because they're not very imaginative back then. Right. Well, I feel as we're getting into some of these later books, they steal heavily from order stories in the Bible. Yeah. There's

[00:29:08] only like 10 major stories and they just recycle them in the whole world. Yeah. And it's not entirely untrue. It's not entirely untrue. As far as like the themes behind the stories and things like that.

[00:29:24] Right. Right. Then the astrologers answered the king, may the king live forever? Dude, tell your servants the dream and we'll totally interpret it. Okay. Okay. Yeah. But the king replied to the

[00:29:36] astrologers, this is what I have firmly decided. If you do not tell me what my dream was and interpret it. So you better even just... You have to know what the dream was before we've given

[00:29:50] to this. Yeah. Yeah. And you have to have it interpreted. Yeah. Okay. So tell me what a dream. You can then tell me what it means. He's a little like I was the far as a little high. Yeah. But

[00:30:00] I mean, it's a good way to test out your profits because if you can't do that, I will have you cut into fucking pieces and your house is turned into piles of fucking rubble. I would like to resign.

[00:30:14] I am not an astrologer. I am a cook. Yeah. I know longer want this job. I am the palace gardener. Thanks, Benny. But if you tell me the dream and explain it, you will receive from me gifts and rewards

[00:30:29] and great honor. That's just what I wanted. How well can you guess? So tell me the dream and interpret it for me. Once more, they replied, uh... Let the King tell us servants the dream and

[00:30:45] we will interpret it. Then the King answered, I am certain that you are trying to gain time because you realize that this is what I have firmly decided. If you do not tell me the dream, there's only

[00:31:00] one penalty for you. You have conspired to tell me misleading and wicked things, hoping this situation will change. So then tell me the fucking dream and I will know that you can interpret it for me.

[00:31:14] I think these guys got into something they weren't like this is this is symbol. This is actually not what I signed up for. Right? That is not in my contract. Yeah, I win. You win. You win.

[00:31:28] Workers raised forever, not a thing back then. Not high on the praying list. The astrologers answered the King. There is no one on earth who can do what this King asks. No King, however,

[00:31:40] great and mighty has ever asked such a thing. Are there any magician or enchantment or astrologer? I feel like Daniel is going to get these fuckers chopped into bits. I feel like they're going to

[00:31:49] get themselves chopped into bits. What the King asks is too difficult. I mean, they're whiny but they're right. No one can reveal it to the King except the gods and they do not live among humans. Oh,

[00:32:04] they're wrong. This made the King so angry and furious that he ordered the execution of all the wise men of Babylon. That'll learn them. Wow. That's really quickly. He was nice. I see what God hired this guy. Yeah, he's fucking bananas. So the decree was issued to put

[00:32:26] the wise men to death and men were sent to look for Daniel on his friends to put them to death because they're part of his team, right? Oh, okay. Okay. All right. They're about to get it.

[00:32:36] So like, wait, he's about to kill everybody. Everybody. Everybody. This is okay. Everybody in the court gets chopped up. No, I would do kind of shitty. Like if I was one of these Babylonians or one of

[00:32:47] these Israelites that got brought over because I was smart and beautiful and whatever and like you're one of the smart people who's also a prophet. Whatever, you're that person. You're wise.

[00:32:59] You're good at that thing. You got a good job. You're raising up and sighted. And because you can't tell me what my dream was, I'm going to kill you now. Yep. That's how it be. It's fucked. When

[00:33:08] Ariak, the commander of the King's guard, had gone out to put to death, the wise men of Babylon, Daniel spoke to him with wisdom and tact. He asked the King's officer,

[00:33:21] what did the King issue such a harsh decree? What's the mark? Ariak then explained the matter to Daniel at this Daniel went into the King and asked for time so that he might interpret the dream for him.

[00:33:34] I have a problem with this scenario. I do too. Because if you got sent out by your King, who is very fickle and petty, obviously. Do you allow, do you entertain this kid who is going to

[00:33:50] rectify things for you? Yeah. Hey, hey, hey. Okay. Look, I'm going to play the guard. Right. And you play the kid. Got it. Yeah. Hey, kid. Yeah. I have to kill you. Why? I mean, here's the way the story

[00:34:04] should go. Don't fucking worry about it. You're dead. Boom. Done. That's right. That should go. Yeah. That's the way it would have gone. But okay. God. Yeah. So instead of hey, kid. Yeah. What?

[00:34:17] What's up? I have to kill you. I'm not going to do it until we play 20 questions though. Go. So what are you killing me for? Is it blue? No. You're guessing that's right. Okay.

[00:34:30] So I said do it again. Do it again. What are you killing me for? I am killing you for the King. Why is the King kill me? Um, because he's a wacko dude. I don't know. You know the King. How

[00:34:41] he be? But like what is his reason for doing this? He's been about a fucking dream or something. I don't know what? I'm going to not kill you yet. I want you going in Ask them because I didn't

[00:34:51] really understand what was happening because I'm not a fucking wise man at the right. Yeah. All right. So then Daniel returned to his house and then he just went, you know, right on in and was like,

[00:35:02] hey King, what up? Yeah. That's that's odd. Like you're going from there to the King. You're going from being executed by the King to just walking in and talking. He's like, hang on, hang on, hang on.

[00:35:13] Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. I got to run this by the King right quick. Hey, this kid that you conquered his land and killed his people. He's got a really great idea they want to run by you, I think.

[00:35:23] Yeah. He would like to confront your ass. How about are you okay with that King? Right. Yeah. No. No, that's not how that works. This would not happen in any any world. It's unrealistic. So stupid.

[00:35:34] It is. All right. Sorry. Go ahead, Daniel. This is so obviously written by people who just really want to make a great story of God. Yeah. It's not a very great story now because it's not believable.

[00:35:43] I know. They should ask somebody like me to write it. I could do a better job. Yeah. Then Daniel returned to his house because they asked for time. I thought that's what the other

[00:35:52] dudes asked for. Yeah. This guy asked for time and in the King's like sure. But if you can then interpret dreams and no dreams, why does he need time? He's got a pre-first. But so God's on a

[00:36:04] time frame like God's gonna know Daniel's like, hey, can I have some time? I have to go pray to ask God to tell me what your dream was. Okay. All right. Like I don't just know it. But he had no patience

[00:36:15] with the other ones. I guess what I'm saying. Like why did Daniel get faith in it? And they're probably already chopped in the bits of the water. You know like they're like alligator food.

[00:36:23] It ain't fair. No. Then Daniel returned to his house and explained them out of two his friends, Hannah and I, Michelle and Azariah. Okay. He urged them to plead for mercy from the God of heaven

[00:36:35] concerning this mystery so that he and his friends might not be executed with the rest of the wise men of Babylon. Oh, I guess they hadn't executed yet. Okay. All right. Well, at least at least

[00:36:46] not all of them anyway. But I bet those ones are there. He probably just had them, you know, beheaded right there. Yeah. He's like you're done so. Yeah. Yep. If I had to guess and if I had heard

[00:36:57] that news and I wasn't living in the court, I would have my rake and my gardener hat and I would be like, no wise men here. Right. Right. If I were Daniel, if I were anybody, there was in this scenario

[00:37:10] and I didn't have a media answer. I'd be asking for time and to be able to go to my house and then fucking getting lost. Pack and leave or don't even pack. You don't need clean underwear.

[00:37:21] Right. Just get the fuck out of the door. I don't mind my underwear being dirty and a week old. I hear China's good this time. Because you know what? Living is better than not living.

[00:37:30] Right. Yeah. So whatever during the night, the mystery was revealed to Daniel in a visual. Of course it was because God, you know. Then Daniel praised the God of heaven and said,

[00:37:44] praise be to his name of God forever and ever. Wisdom and power are his. He changes times in seasons. He deposes kings and raises up others. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the

[00:37:58] discerning. He reveals deep and hidden things. He knows what lies in darkness and light dwells with him. I think in praise you God of my ancestors, you have given me wisdom and power. You have made

[00:38:10] known to me what we asked of you. You have made known to us the dream of the King. Okay. All right. Well, I don't, I don't believe this. No, not even a little. Yeah. I mean do you know what I dream

[00:38:24] last night? No. I don't know what you dreamed either. Right. Because and if you said that you're going to chop me in a bit because I couldn't come up with it. I'd probably just leave or call the FBI.

[00:38:37] They tried to recreate today. Somebody did. Yeah. I don't know if it was the FBI, but they said that I work on like you clearly have not met me because I'm not the right body type and be

[00:38:49] I cannot keep my fucking mouth shut. I would be a terrible spy. I can't keep fucking secret. No, they're not all spies. Some of them were invested just investigators instead. I can't investigate shit. Yeah, whatever you you investigate the Bible.

[00:39:04] Maybe that's what they're going to be. That's what they're based on. I'm going to like this this this this bitch over here. You want to just investigate and that Bible. Right good.

[00:39:12] I'm just a good bitch. She comes across as dumber than every man. That's so smart. We need this one. Yeah. We also have to share this. Yeah. I don't know if this is real or not. So I did send them

[00:39:28] an email back because I'm curious because I was sent that email seemed very legitimate. I I it's probably it's gotta be a scam. It's a scam. It's gotta be a scam. I would not even

[00:39:37] even at the time of day. I probably shouldn't have but I did. But they're offering us like $25,000 for a voice. Sure. Sure. That was just like that amazing for our podcast. Sure. I don't know.

[00:39:49] But it was it was from like I looked up the companies. Not is not completely illegitimate? It's not your man and it didn't come from like a spammy email address. So like you're right.

[00:39:58] I don't know is it real? No doubt it. It's not real. $25,000. No but email my given us $25,000. That's that's that's crazy. Yeah. That's crazy. No waste given us that. Our podcast hasn't made $25,000

[00:40:10] over the entire time. He just hit the 40 years. That's awesome. I don't think we've even made like the first thing you do. $1,000. Right. Yeah. We've made probably that much. And total yeah. Okay. At least. Yeah. $1,000. We're under the $5,000 mark. Oh for sure. Yeah. Honestly I'm impressed if we

[00:40:30] made over $1,000. Right. Yeah. All right. So then Daniel went to Erriak the guard guy whom the king had appointed to execute the wiseman of Babylon failed it as fucking duty. I will just put that

[00:40:44] out there and said to him hey wait. Who? Who? Do not execute the wiseman of Babylon. He's no no no no no take me to the king and I will interpret his dream for him. Wait this one

[00:40:55] kid's gonna save the rest of them. I thought they were just trying to save themselves. And why would this king save the rest of the wiseman if wouldn't they all have to be able to do it like why is

[00:41:04] it just why is it just depends on anybody any one person that's weird? Like one could tell me so therefore I'll kill none or how about I'll kill all of them except for this one. I mean I'm all four not killing

[00:41:16] you. I can see why Daniel's like wait wait wait don't kill everybody but I can't see why the king would listen. Right he's already a man. Very petty. Yeah. Yeah. Erriak took Daniel to the king

[00:41:29] at once and said I have found a man among the exiles from Judah who could tell the king what is fucking dream mean. A man because the last I heard he was like 10. Well now he's a man he must

[00:41:40] be 12. Okay. You know the way it be. Yeah. Okay. The king asked Daniel also called Vultagesar. But he doesn't go by that because he refused to. Yeah. He got renamed and he was like

[00:41:52] no thanks. Sure. So the king asked are you able to tell me what I saw in my dream and interpret it? Daniel replied no wiseman and chanter magician or diviner can explain to the king the mystery

[00:42:04] he has asked about. But there is a god in heaven who reveals mysteries. He has shown king nebicanessor what will happen in days to come. Your dream and the visions that passed through your

[00:42:17] mind as you were lying in bed are these. As you're mad just he was lying there your mind turned to things to come and the revealer of mysteries showed you what is going to happen. As for me

[00:42:30] this mystery has been revealed to me not because I have greater wisdom than anyone else alive. But so that your majesty may know the interpretation and that you may understand what went through

[00:42:42] your mind. Uh huh. Right. So what is it? Fucking get there. Yeah. Because it sounds like a fucking palm reading. He's like the answer to your question which I'm about to give you. Is the answer?

[00:42:54] Is the answer? And it's not the answer you expected but it's the answer you deserve. Right. And the question is a really good question to which an answer is absolutely necessary. Like you went on for 10 fucking minutes. What is the fucking answer? Also you'll meet someone

[00:43:13] dark handsome and whatever. Yeah. What's the what's the normal thing that happened? Can't someone whatever. You know you'll have good fortune all your days. You're right. Yeah. Rich and famous or whatever. The cookie. The fortune cookies. The fortune cookies. Yeah. Although they aren't

[00:43:28] really fortunate. No now they say oxygen is air. Like thank you for that information I will call the press. I feel like they must have got sued. They must have. Like what what what happened to fortune cookies?

[00:43:39] They're not fortunes or facts. Yeah. They're they're dumb. Their facts are observation. Do not like fortune cookies. No they piss me off every time. I don't want them anymore. No. I'm like don't put

[00:43:50] that shit in my Chinese food to go thing because it's when I see it I'm going to be angry. Yeah. They used to always suck. They suck. You know what there's always one in the bunch that fucking has

[00:44:02] to complain and this is why we can't have nice things. All right ready? Okay so Daniel's talking about this dream and not answering it but promising he's about to. Okay okay. Your majesty looked and there before you stood a large statue and enormous dazzling statue awesome in appearance.

[00:44:26] Sounds like he's describing it though. Sounds like he's actually no in the dream. He is here. The head of the statue was made of pure gold. It's chest and arms of silver. It's belly and thighs of bronze.

[00:44:40] It's legs of iron. It's feet, partly of iron and partly of baked clay. This statue sounds very confused. That's what it wants to be. This statue is trying out different things. Yeah. Don't judge.

[00:44:56] I'm not judging. I'm not saying it's just it doesn't know. Maybe it's all things that once. I guess why does it have to decide? I feel like the person that made it would have a really tough time

[00:45:08] making all these things work together. Well that would be God check with him. Okay all right. While you were out watching, you know this is Daniel still talking. While you were watching a rock

[00:45:19] was cut out but not by human hands it struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. A hand-in-win thing's land on my peggies. Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver

[00:45:34] and the gold were all broken to pieces and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. I don't think gold and silver and iron for that matter is shattering to pieces. This is a dream

[00:45:49] of rock off. I don't know. The winds swept them away without leaving a trace continues Daniel. Okay. Continue to die no strong wind. Yeah but the rock in the dream. The strong wind in the

[00:46:03] dream. I know. Okay okay. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the hole earth. This was the dream and now we will interpret it to the king. Oh I mean you're

[00:46:16] like, yeah, yeah, yeah, me too. Your majesty, you are the king of kings. The God of heaven has given you dominion and power and might and glory. In your hands he has placed all mankind and the

[00:46:32] beasts of the field and the birds in the sky wherever they live, he has made you ruler over them all. You are that head of gold. After you another kingdom will rise in fear ear to yours. Next

[00:46:48] a third kingdom one of bronze will rule over the whole earth. Finally there will be a fourth kingdom strong as iron for iron breaks and smashes everything and as iron breaks things to pieces.

[00:47:04] So it will crush and break all the others. Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron. So this will be a divided kingdom. Yet it will have some of

[00:47:19] the strength of iron in it even as you saw iron mixed with clay. As the toe I'm so not following this just so I know I mean I'm trying. Yeah. I'm trying. I feel like this, I'm not sure that this

[00:47:33] is the best message to give to this guy. He's like, you totally fucking suck and someday you'll die and well no. The kingdoms will come after you so get over yourself. He's definitely promoting Nebuchadnezzar. He's the same, you're awesome but once you're done you're going to belong.

[00:47:54] And I feel like the description of the iron and the clay is kind of a reference to the southern tribes and the northern tribes of Israel. Possibly. Possibly. I don't think so. Well, but that's he's talking about bringing those things together. Right? And so there's this whole

[00:48:13] idea in the Old Testament that we've been going over thus far where they've been talking about bringing these tribes back together. In fact, in Ezekiel they were stacking them you know

[00:48:22] in a seven-layer salad type deal. Right? And so I feel like this is them trying to come back together because we even commented in an Ezekiel where many of these tribes don't exist anymore or at least

[00:48:35] in any Ezekiel-neighbreech-neighbreech form. Right? So the fact that they're trying to bring them back together is more of a mental exercise than a realistic exercise, right? And so a lot of these things

[00:48:46] are portrayed through visions and this is one of those things where the clay to me kind of represents the the idols and the iron represents that I don't know why they're using iron because God early

[00:49:02] on didn't like iron, but then later there were some references where iron was used to represent God too as a strong binding. Unbreakable. Right? So I I feel like this is a representation of God mixed

[00:49:16] with idols and that the rebuild bigger than ever and the idols will get broken down. Well, that's actually get broken down in the iron will stay. Yeah. Right? But that's how I'm feeling

[00:49:27] about this. I'm not really sure what all the gold and bronze and all that shit is but I'm assuming it's other other kingdom. Other kingdoms are going to fight for this area that eventually

[00:49:38] we'll just get ground down to God's kingdom. Right? So as the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. And just as you saw the iron mixed with

[00:49:54] baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united any more than iron mixes with clay. Okay. In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never

[00:50:09] be destroyed. Nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. This is the meaning of the vision of the rock

[00:50:24] cut out of the mountain, but not by human hands, a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces. The great God has shown the king what will take place

[00:50:38] in the future. The dream is true and its interpretation is trustworthy because I said so. Right. But again, even though maybe he's getting this dream correct, I guess according to this story, right? The dream is still very vague and you know the interpretation of it here,

[00:50:59] he's not really giving any specific access to what it means. Yeah. I think he's just relying on the like this still sounds very much like a palm reading where you're like, you're going to have

[00:51:10] awesome things happen to you. And then eventually someday when you're old, you're going to die. I'm supposed to turn that bad stuff at the end. Well sometimes they're like, who Wednesday's going to be a very unlucky day for you. Stay home because you might

[00:51:25] run into trouble like maybe you'll get a parking ticket or maybe you'll fall off a cliff. Yeah. Nobody knows. A meteor might land on your house. And then if you do what Wednesday, yeah. And you trip over a crack. Then you're like, God damn it! They were like,

[00:51:40] I think the state home on Wednesday, God damn it. Yeah. You're like, I have a hang nail, fucking Wednesday. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is this is, it's a dream and moreover it's a weird dream and there's lots of fucking metals in a statue.

[00:51:59] And okay, I guess God told you what it means. Like this makes no sense because really never like they're they're just taking too many ideas and trying to make it all work together. Yeah.

[00:52:09] Because never can as or yes was supposedly the tool of God. But now now we're getting this like side of him where he literally is talking to prophets of God about what his dreams mean. And then I guess he's probably going to accept this interpretation. I don't know.

[00:52:28] Well, there's more Daniels. So I'm assuming it's a good idea. At least he doesn't kill him. So I don't know. I'm whatever it is what it is. Then yeah. Sorry. King Nebuchadnezzar fell

[00:52:42] prostrate before Daniel and paid him honor and ordered that an offering and incense be presented to him. That's a fuck sake. That side that you gave. Yeah. It was the heaviest sign in the world.

[00:52:56] You're so disappointed. This guy was rid of the chat them all into bits. And now we're pulling prostrate in front of them. What come on? Yep. You can get fucking break. The King then

[00:53:06] said to Daniel, surely your God is the God of God. And the Lord of Kings and the revealer of mysteries for you were able to reveal this mystery. Then the King placed Daniel in a high position

[00:53:21] and lavished many gifts on him, you know, instead of killing them. Yeah. He made him ruler over the entire province of Babylon and placed him in charge of all its wise men, kind of like

[00:53:32] Pharaoh did with Joseph. Yeah. No, it's the exact same fucking story. Right? Yeah. Only this is more God's centric. Yes. Right? Yeah. The whole Joseph story, there was God in there but not the same way.

[00:53:46] Yeah. Joseph had the power to interpret dreams, but he didn't talk to God about it. Well, we don't know that for sure. I mean, that wasn't in the story at any rate. Whereas

[00:54:01] Daniel's like, hang on. Let me go talk to you. Well, we're being told to believe more over that this Nebuchadnezzar King guy is like impressed with this God. Yeah. When he's God is

[00:54:11] own fucking God's. Yeah. Not only that, but he's just conquered so many fucking lands. Right. He probably thinks he's God. Yeah. I don't probably believe that he's actually, you know, falling over backwards over this goddamn person who's quoting his God to him. I don't believe that. No,

[00:54:28] I don't mean there. Moreover, at Daniel's request, the King appointed Shadrach Mishaish and Abidnego, you know, his three friends, his homies, right? He, the King appointed them administrators over the province of Babylon while Daniel himself remained at the royal court being an okay.

[00:54:51] Man, this is all working out just swimmingly for that man. Man. Thank goodness. Yeah, I can't imagine if he hadn't got this, I mean, if he hadn't got this right, shit, they would all just

[00:55:02] died. Hell, if he hadn't spoke up in that guard hadn't, you know, pushed his message over to the King. Mm-hmm. They'd all died. Yeah. But no, God, God apparently had their back. We, we got a belief

[00:55:13] because they're writing them out this like 400 years later that this actually happens. So likely you got it. You got a belief, man. Yeah. That's, that's what this is all about. If you don't, if you can't believe that somebody wrote that's 400 years later and got it exactly right,

[00:55:26] how it happened, then what the fuck are you doing here? I don't know. This is the Bible, man. This is the word of God even if it's 400 years later. And that's right. That's what we're supposed to

[00:55:35] get from this. I guess, I don't know. It just sounds like some really well written bullshit as what it sounds like to me. It sounds like some poorly written bullshit. That's right. But yeah,

[00:55:46] it's better than some of the other stuff. It is, it is. Yeah. You're right. I don't want to give it too much hell. But I'm right. I just, I can't, it's just too over the top though. This is too

[00:55:58] over the top. Like you said, they're trying to do too much and stuff too many things into it. Right. Yeah. So it makes it very unbelievable and knowing when this was written also does not

[00:56:09] help me with that either. Right. It's like, oh, you're so silly. Right. Yeah. All right. Well, I think is that all we got for today? That's all we got for today. All right. Well, that was Daniel chapter two.

[00:56:20] Sure, spoke was. Which means that we'll be back tomorrow with big, dude chapter three. All right. We'll see then. Bye. Why? Do you remember what happened yesterday and where the hell we are today? Well,

[00:56:38] yesterday we read Daniel chapter two. We did. And in that chapter, we are, we're reading about Nebuchadnezzar's dream and how he was like getting people that he needed to interpret it

[00:56:53] and then when he, no, not just interpret it, he was like, what did I dream? Yeah. You tell me what I dream? They weren't, yeah. They had to know what he dreamt and how to interpret it.

[00:57:03] And the ones that he talked to first couldn't. So he's like, I'm going to chop you in a bit. I'm going to kill you and then I'm going to kill all the fucking people that are real smart because

[00:57:12] you don't know what I dreamt. That's what I'm going to kill you. Yeah. And then Daniel got someone to go get killed and Daniel's like, yo, yo, hey, can I talk to the king? And then the guy was like,

[00:57:27] sure. Of course. Why wouldn't you be able to talk to the king? Yeah. Everybody could talk to the king. Yeah, that's how that works. That's normal. You just get to go and talk to the king

[00:57:34] as a 10-year-old little boy. I don't, that's... I don't think it was 10 but sure. Whatever. He was young. Yeah. Anyway. So he went to go talk to the king. Of course he did. And then he was like, yo, king.

[00:57:45] And the king is like, what? And then he was like, I need some more time. Which I think is funny because wasn't that literally what like the original guy said asked, yeah, he asked for more time.

[00:57:56] And he's like, no, I'm going to chop you. I'm going to chop profit in due pieces. I don't know that song. This is my last property. Prophecy. I think you really must that.

[00:58:08] I really did. I actually had it. I was thinking about how to make that into that song earlier to the end of my way to work. And I had it down then. But when... Then I forgot that I was wanting

[00:58:18] to do that as a bit. And then I was like, but I kind of get it in there. So I just fucked it up and did it anyway. And then it turned into like really something stupid. So yeah, sure did. That's

[00:58:28] what just happened. And that's why husband doesn't sing. Right. Exactly. So anyway, anyway, so he slept on it. Daniel Daniel got to leave. Go to his house. Hang out and pray and talk to God

[00:58:42] apparently. He asked his buddies to pray with him. Yeah. Yeah. And God apparently showed them exactly what the dream was and then how to interpret it. And he came back and told him he was like, cool.

[00:58:53] That's cool. That was a lot of fun. And then he, I mean, never, never, never can answer. Sorry. Never can answer. Procedure to themselves before Daniel. And which is really weird. It is.

[00:59:07] It is. There was way too much... There was way too much just trying... It was trying too hard. It was giving too much credit to God for this guy, Nebuchadnezzar who worships other gods

[00:59:23] and is a king who does do his destroying other lands and taking them over. He didn't give a fuck about this God. He just destroyed all this God's people and been quite possibly if you were

[00:59:35] to interpret what he had done, he destroyed that God. Yeah. Essentially. Yeah. So it just don't... It wasn't believable. No. The way that the reaction happened. No. All right. Well anyway, that was

[00:59:47] it. That was the gest of it. That was the gest. I feel like I have to do longer introductions now because of the way these stories go. But it's kind of fun. Sure. And occasionally I get to try to

[00:59:56] sing a song which is really crappy. Don't do it. I'm not going to do it. I might do it but I'm going to do it badly. How much did that? So anyway, that was Daniel chapter two. Sure stuff was.

[01:00:07] Which means that today we're getting into. Daniel chapter three. All right. Let's do this. Okay. All right. We are jumping into Big D chapter three. Oh okay. That's Daniel. It is. The Daniel chapters. Yeah. Book a Daniel. But I want to call him Big D. I know. That's

[01:00:31] so much more fun. Or Danny Boy is somebody in our discord server pointed out. Which we're doing today. Yeah, live. We're doing live. And you should join us every Tuesday at 10 PM each. Yeah,

[01:00:43] my change Wednesday soon. It might mean August I believe we're going to be shooting the days up. You should join us every week on whatever day it happens at that week that you want to do it. Yes.

[01:00:57] Yeah. So we are entering chapter three of Daniel and just want to preface this with a note before we start actually reading that this book is divided into two parts. Chapter one through six are a set of six quart tales. So that's where we are right now. Right.

[01:01:14] And then chapter seven through 12 are for apocalyptic visions. Yeah. And then there's like three extra stories that we're going to read at that point as well. Yeah. That were in some of the early

[01:01:29] translations that didn't quite make it into the stable collection. Yeah. So they call it the apocrophas or apocrophas because they're a apocalypse story. Sure. Or whatever. I guess. So something in particular about this chapter that we're reading is Daniel's absence. Oh.

[01:01:48] It's the only one in this book in the book of Daniel that he's not in but his friends are. That's really odd because we just ended with him doing something pretty significant. Right.

[01:02:00] So it's odd that this is the chapter where he'd be missing. Well, these stories aren't necessarily consecutive. Right. Like the first chapter was the intro explaining how he got there and what

[01:02:11] happened and that was thought to be added later. Yeah. Right. So the one that we just read was actually just the first story. So this is just another story. Okay. And it happens to be about his friends.

[01:02:22] So it's like the the Scooby gang or something of the Bible? Yeah. I would say yeah. I read it that. I agree to those terms. Got it. The fact that Daniel is absent from this one does suggest that

[01:02:36] this story may have been independent from the others. As I remember, they were all kind of floating around at the same time. Right. And some of them came together and they were like, look at these

[01:02:46] two or three stories. I'm going to staple them together because they're all about this dude. Sure. Sure. It's called this dude Daniel. Yeah. That's cool. And then this other one came in and

[01:02:54] they were like, whoa. What's that? This doesn't taste the same but it doesn't have dude in it. I don't know what to do with it. But it's really good apparently. So they were like,

[01:03:04] just change the name of the friends to match the Daniel's friends and then just staple it in there somewhere. Got it. So that's my rendition of history. Okay. All right. Yeah. All right.

[01:03:14] I guess is good as any. Sure. One of our did knowing how the Bible was done and put together and and you know, thought out. I should be a history teacher. Totally. Yeah. Don't you think

[01:03:24] biblical history even? Okay. I guess technically we kind of are. Don't you think away? For fuck's sake. Don't you think if I was a teacher that the way I described stories that would that would I would entertain students and they would probably be more inclined to remember

[01:03:43] stories better from history? Possibly. I think so because I try to like make it funny. You do. Yeah. I think I would learn better if you've seen I showed you the multiple times but they have these

[01:03:57] versions of history where they they teach it by doing like social media replies or text messages though. I think those are fantastic. Like you know there's like the one that's like the

[01:04:10] US is entered the chat for World War Two. Yeah. You know like it's just there's the way they make it all flow through those chats is fantastic. Yeah. Those are really funny. You haven't seen

[01:04:20] like the text message thread history things. You should do a search and try to find them. Well, you should find one and link it. I should. Yeah. I will try to remember to do that so and we'll

[01:04:31] try to link that in the show notes because I that's one of my favorite things. What I like is the drunk history. Drunk history is fun. Yes. I really fun. I used so speaking of history. You

[01:04:45] you know I am a history buff. I do know this. Like when I was younger, well even in my mid 20s and probably early 30s I spent a lot of time falling asleep to like history shows like that was just how I

[01:05:00] spent my life. Although when we got together you were falling asleep to Boston League. Boston League was a little bit of a fairer show. I made you turn that music off though.

[01:05:13] Boston League was so familiar with you. I know but you would fall asleep and the DVD would just go to the like the screen. The back then I needed noise and now I don't. I've learned to live without it

[01:05:28] but I didn't. I back then I did. I didn't learn to live without your noise. But it's not even what you're singing. It's from jar of hearts. Only you're a jar of noise.

[01:05:40] I don't know what jar of hearts is. Okay. I'm not singing that one. That's too pretty. I refuse to ruin it. Which is my poison. But like who sings it? What's her name?

[01:05:49] I don't know. Okay. She's really pretty and it's a good song and book off because I can't remember her name on the spot. Okay. Yeah. What decade was it? I don't know. Was it like the last 10

[01:06:01] or 15 years? She also sang a song only human I think? Okay. Or something like that? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. The jar of hearts is fantastic. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:06:14] I was looking for an answer. Not a. I know. Go in through. Do not engage in the chat. Goddamn it. All right. So are we going to read this? Yeah. Yeah. The Daniel list. Did I stop you or something?

[01:06:28] No. I stopped me. Okay. Let's get into this Daniel Sand's Daniel. Did we not even start the chat? No, we shouldn't. No. He did not. Interesting. King Nebuchadnezzar made an image of gold. Oh, because remember he was like,

[01:06:47] just a little bit of my jeans. I'm going to make a fucking statue. Yeah, because that's what I do when people interpret my James. I made gold statues. Exactly. So he made an image of

[01:06:57] gold. 60 quits high and six quits wide. That sounds like a giant. It's definitely not humanoid. Right. I can hate that. Yeah. And then he set it up on the plane of Jura in the province of Babylon,

[01:07:15] you know, because that's where they were. Yeah. He then summoned the Satrups prefix governors advisors, treasurers judges, magistrates and all the other provincial officials to come to the dedication of the MHEET setup. Yeah. So the Satrups prefix governors, advisors, treasurers,

[01:07:33] judges, and magistrates and all the other provincial officials. Maybe it was a nephlum dildo assembled for the dedication of the image that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up and they stood before it.

[01:07:43] I'm ignoring that because no it wasn't. 60 feet. I was just trying to think of the size of this thing. Not feet, quits. What do you have? Okay. A foot and a half. Whatever the fuck a cubit is.

[01:07:56] You're going to call it a cubit. A cubit. A cubit. It was a good game. Cobi, cobi, do you do? But like where are you? That's a big fucking golden dildo. That's what it is for a nephlum. That's what I'm thinking. That's what it's got to be.

[01:08:08] Or maybe they're God. Maybe they're God neither the dildo. I don't know. But as a giant god golden dildo. There are suggestions that perhaps it was merely a pillar or that it was an animal or white might have been. At 60 foot, fucking six white, six foot,

[01:08:23] white, animal? I don't know. I'm just telling you the notes that I read about it. It might have been a pillar with animals and gods carved into it all around. That would make better sense.

[01:08:33] So decorative dildo. Right. Part of it might have not been all dedicated to the statue. Part of it might have been the platform that it was upon. Okay. Because they're like, that's ridiculous. The difference in the height versus the width. I mean, that's what I'm saying.

[01:08:50] So there are quite a few things. It seems very fally and symbolism. It's very tall and tall and not wide. So it's a thin dick motherfucker. Yeah. Okay. But long, really long. The same. Oh my god. Then then the Harold loudly proclaimed nations and peoples of

[01:09:13] every language. Because you know, he's loud. Yeah. Because that's what Harold's do. They hark. Hark. This is what you are commanded to do. Okay. As soon as you hear the sound of the horn,

[01:09:24] flew zithered leader, Lair, harp, pipe and all kinds of music. So as soon as you're on that ship, you must fall down and worship the image of gold that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up.

[01:09:35] Oh, I say problem right? Yeah. Because we shouldn't worship gold according to the other gods. It's an idol. He wants them to pray to an idol. Right. Yeah. Whoever does not fall down and

[01:09:46] worship, this is still the Harold yelling. Yeah. We'll immediately be thrown into a blazing furnace. That'd be so. So immediate hell then. This is the way. Yeah. What is that? Therefore, as soon as they heard the sound of the horn, flew zither, Lair, harp and all kinds

[01:10:04] of music. All the nations and peoples of every language fell down and worship the image of gold that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up. All of them? I'm gonna bet no. Let me meet Dave Conquer,

[01:10:15] a lot of land. So I'm playing quite a few. I bet there's a few that did it. Like you just like maybe they never conquered them. How about the main characters of the story? Right. Right. Oh

[01:10:26] yeah. They're godly and they yeah. They just literally interpreted a dream or whatever. Yeah. So I'm gonna guess that they did not. Right. At this time, some astrologers, so chowdians came forward and denounced the Jews. They were like, look at them three

[01:10:45] turdlets over there. They said the King Nebuchadnezzar, me, the King Leforever. Right. You're majesty has issued a decree that everyone who hears the sound of the horn, flew zither, Lair, harp, pipe, band all kinds of music. Must fall down and worship the image of gold and that

[01:11:01] whoever does not fall down and worship will be thrown into a blazing furnace, but guess what? There are some Jews whom you have set over the affairs of the province, a Babylon.

[01:11:13] Okay. Do you know who they are? They're the four kids that took over the duties that they remember Daniels not in the story. Okay, the three kids that are not Daniel that took over the

[01:11:23] duties of whatever once they said duty. Shadrak, me, Shash and a beded no, nice set that wrong, who pay no attention to you, your majesty. I mean what tattletails? What little bitches? Right.

[01:11:38] Why are you gonna guess other people in trouble? Oh, because they neither serve your god nor worship the image of gold that you have set up. Okay. How about mind your bees wax? Well, I mean a lot

[01:11:53] of people do those things to get ahead. I know if you want to get that this is how it would make them look bad. So the rassels? Sure. Like, I wouldn't rat, would you rat somebody out?

[01:12:03] I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I just over there doing the on thing. I generally know, I don't think so. I wouldn't. But I can't. I can't speak for what's going on in this situation exactly. Right. I, you know. Okay. Well furious with rage. Never can neither summon Shadrak Mishash and

[01:12:21] Abidnego. So these men, men, not boys, brought before the king and Abidkinesis said to them, is it true Shadrak Mishash and Abidnego that you do not serve my gods or worship the image of

[01:12:36] gold that I have set up? I'm like, you know the answer. Right. You literally just got an answer about your fucking dream from their god. Yeah. And you talked about how awesome their god is.

[01:12:47] Right. So you fell down and prostrate because you saw if we're taking this in in chronological order. You already very much know about their god. Yeah. And even hypothetically respected. So if I were those boys or dudes, I'd be like, why are you clowning king? Right?

[01:13:07] Don't clown on me, bro. You know you know right now when you hear the sound of the horn continued the king. The horn flew zither, liar, heart, pipe and all other kinds of music. If

[01:13:19] you are ready to fall down and worship the image I made very good. But if you do not worship it, you motherfuckers will be thrown immediately into a god damn blazing furnace. Do you hear me? Yeah.

[01:13:29] Yeah. Then what God will be able to rescue you from my hand. I don't know. I bet we find out though. I bet that it's y'all way dude. Yeah. And something he's going to do something

[01:13:43] with this. Yeah. I'm just like, why are you trying God? Really? That's what you want to do when you were just showed. Oh, you're talking about Nebuchadnezzar. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Why are you challenging him? Well, I question the validity of that thing happening in the first place because

[01:14:00] it didn't seem correct or right. No, which apparently it was not correct. Right. Exactly. This wouldn't be happening after it was. Exactly. Shadrach, me, shush and Abidnego, replied to him. You know, all three of you in a Senate once. Once you go. Yeah. King,

[01:14:15] Abid kidnapped her. We do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. Yeah. They all spoke this simultaneously. If we are thrown into the blazing service, I mean furnace,

[01:14:25] the God we service able to deliver us from it. And he will deliver us from your majesty's hand. I'm reading as though I'm AI. Oh, okay. Because that's the only way all three could be talking

[01:14:35] at the same time without a fucking script. But even if he does not, we want you to know your majesty that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold. You have set up.

[01:14:47] Okay. So they're like basically saying, we're not going to worship your God. We're going to pray to our God. Our God may may or may not answer us, but that's not the important part. Sure. We may

[01:14:56] die and that's fine. We're fine with that. That's our God's bidding and we'll gladly do that as opposed to bend our knee to you and your golden deldo. Because unlike Nikki Haley, we will not

[01:15:07] bend the ring. We will stand by our values. Kiss the ring? Did I say bend the ring? I meant bend the knee or kiss the ring. Right. But I combine them because that's how it is.

[01:15:20] I'm like that. Okay. So anyways, then Nevekadnezer was furious with Chadrag Mishaosh and Abid to make it. And his attitude toward them changed. He ordered the furnace heated seven times hotter than usual.

[01:15:36] Seven times? Seven times? We like that seven number in the Bible. Okay. And commanded some of the strongest soldiers in his army to tie up Chadrag Mishaosh and Abidnego and throw them into the blazing

[01:15:49] furnace. And we should quit saying their names over and over again so that I have to keep repeating how bad I say them. Yeah. It's really embarrassing, honestly. So these men wearing the robe's trousers,

[01:16:01] turbines and other clothes were bound and thrown into the blazing furnace. Oh man. They don't fire. Apparently these boys all run fire. The King's command was so urgent and the furnace so hot that the flames of the fire killed the soldiers who took up Chadrag Mishaosh and Abnego.

[01:16:21] Whoa. And these three men firmly tied fell into the blazing furnace. Okay. Then King Abidkadnezer leap to his feet and amazement and asked his advisors what their three men that we tied up and

[01:16:35] do you want to do the fire? Didn't you just okay okay? Were you not watching my guy? Yeah, I think if there was people being thrown into a fire near me I would probably notice that happening.

[01:16:47] Yeah. And I wouldn't need to ask other people. Whoa did those guys just fall into the fire where you actually threw them? Right. They replied certainly, you majesty. He said wait, but look,

[01:16:57] I see four men walking around in the fire. What? So they threw in three but do is looking in and he sees four. Okay. Unbound and unharmed and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.

[01:17:14] Okay. Did you hear it? I sing it so that you would feel the same work. Yeah. So like the gods. This is going oh, girl god. Okay. And son of. Right. Yeah. But so also could be in

[01:17:30] interpretive of this Jesus probably. That is what happens. Yes. Okay. That is what gets done by Christians who have to steal other people's religion. But also interesting as you said that it is plural. But

[01:17:43] see, Nebuchadnezzar is not saying that their god doesn't exist. He's merely saying but this is the one I do. Got it. And I want you to do it too. Yeah. You do my god with me. Right. And they're like,

[01:17:55] now we'll do our god and he's like fuck your god, do my god and they're like still know though. Got it. He's like getting the fire witcher. Okay. Nebuchadnezzar then approached the opening of the

[01:18:06] blazing furnace which I doubt because his servants died just standing near it because it was so fucking hot. So do you really think the king walked up to it? I don't. Anyway, he opened it and shouted

[01:18:20] Shadragg, me Shashin, Abnego, servants of the most high god. Oh, do you come out? Come here. So Shadragg, me Shashin, Abnego came out of the fire and the setchaps prefix governors and royal advisors crowded around them. They saw that the fire had not harmed their fucking bodies.

[01:18:43] Nor was a hair of their heads sinched. Their robes were not scorched and there was no smell of fire on them. Interesting. This is a true or false ongoing with false. Yeah, definitely. Right? False.

[01:18:55] Okay. I mean, I'm assuming it's true or false. No, this is this is in line with what we've been listening to so far with this book, O'Daniel. And they, they keep the legends. Right. They're

[01:19:07] trying very hard to make God seem very powerful and important. And it's like they're trying to work extra hard to make this God be working towards something in the future. Like it's a very

[01:19:27] forward thinking God that they're talking about now, that's got plans for these people that's got great ambition to make things happen the way he wants them to happen. Right. And that can't be stopped by silly little things like death and and and other gods, another powerful people,

[01:19:48] whatever. But they go they go to great lengths to make never canes or end up ultimately bowing before this God over and over again so far. Right. Right. So it's just it's really weird

[01:20:03] and unnecessary in my opinion, because it's it's too much after what we read thus far in the Bible. Right. Yeah. Because never canes are doesn't end up respecting God. Why would that fucking happen?

[01:20:15] That doesn't make any sense. Right. Right. So then never canes are said, praise be to the God of Shadra, Mishaash and Abid Neko who has sent his angel and rescued his servants. They trust

[01:20:30] it in him and defied the King's command and were willing to give up their lives rather than serve or worship any God except their own capital G God. Hmm. Since you they I'm going to ask

[01:20:44] since he doesn't need this other God as much because this is the best God now. Right. Can I have some of that gold deal though? Right. I mean, I was just saying it's a little chunk. Oh, there

[01:20:54] were also suggestions that perhaps it was merely gold plated. Really. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Okay. So um because because having a bill like if it was solid gold that would have been more gold given the measurements that would have been more gold than the entire

[01:21:13] nation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That one would not have been able to go with that. But even back with gold plating back then it wasn't going to be something that was like really thin. So it

[01:21:29] would be something that would still have a lot of worth to it. So if you asked me, I'm going to still take a lot of the uh I'm I'm still going to chip off the piece because it's still got

[01:21:42] enough to make you rich. I would imagine. I would imagine as well. Yeah. I mean, I'll take even the little of it. Right. Right. Therefore, continue dude. Okay. I decree that the people of any

[01:21:55] nation or language who say anything against the capital G God of Shadrakh, Mishaash and Abid Neko, be caught in two pieces. This is their last resort. There it is. And their houses be turned

[01:22:10] into piles of fucking rubble for no other God can save in this way. Wow. This is this. You just built a I mean let's just call a 60 feet because it's a fucking huge. Fuck you it's what I mean.

[01:22:25] But let's just call it 60 feet. You just built a 60 foot tall six foot wide golden broad essentially. Sure. And you're all you just instantly are now all on board with this

[01:22:40] other God and telling everybody that this is the best God. Well, I mean this was like right before his eyes. He's so in canon according to the story. Yeah. This was right before his eyes.

[01:22:52] Like everything else could be like, and maybe God did. Maybe my God didn't. I don't fucking know but this is the kind of shit though that people like that I talked to online they're like

[01:23:02] see how God proved his his might in his worth. I'm like this is a stupid silly story. Well, here's the thing. People that use the Bible to prove the Bible are the same people

[01:23:16] that would use the root word of the word they're looking up in the dictionary and the definition. So like you would say what is sadness? Look it up in the dictionary and they look up sadness

[01:23:29] and they say, oh it's when a person is sad and it's like false. Like you can't use the word in the definition of the word you're looking up. Right. That is such as an ambushedery. Right.

[01:23:44] So no, you can't use the Bible to prove the Bible. I already don't believe in it. Therefore your proof is not proof. Right. Okay. But it works for them because they they believe wholeheartedly

[01:23:57] that this is actually the word of God until you then prove that that is not correct by showing how many fucking contradictions are and they're like, well, you can't take it literally and

[01:24:08] accept it and they're like, holy fucking hell. Except then they're like, no, I take it all literally and it's like only sometimes only when it's convenient. There's literally no one even argument with

[01:24:19] somebody who is held in on on the okay to be fair there's no one in argument with me about God existing either. Well, the thing is so I mean, I'm not I'm not trying to say that

[01:24:30] they have something different from what I have but they they are the ones with the burden of proof because they're claiming something does exist. Right. So it's just and it's not about others me. It's not about winning an argument versus losing an argument. Right. Like, I'm not trying

[01:24:46] to win. So you're right. There is no winning an argument with them but I don't want to win the argument what I want is for us to reach a point of agreement on something anything that I want you

[01:25:00] to stop changing the fucking rules halfway through the game. Yeah, don't move the goddamn goal post. Yeah, I don't the can we have just like a reasonable discussion about this and try to come to

[01:25:11] some sort of a consensus on what we agree on in disagree on instead of just constantly moving this argument around to different different topics that have no relation to each other to try to just keep not having to deal with the last conversation. But honestly, if you're starting

[01:25:31] from a place where you actually believe in talking donkeys, get the fuck out of here like I can't. I don't have the patience for it. I agree but there's not if you say that right. If there's

[01:25:42] somebody that's arguing with me online about God and they're the existence of God, they are not going to, if I say well what about talking nonkeys they're not going to well here

[01:25:53] right or they're going to say they're going to pick one of the other and then when we get into it on that and then they can't go any further with it. They just drop it move to the next argument

[01:26:03] and I'm like okay, I can't keep following you around like we could do this for the next year, man. Like the book is bit the the Bible is a big fucking book. It's a form of sea lining though and that's

[01:26:16] where they toss like 100 different arguments at you and your busy chasing down each one to prove them wrong and you'll never get there. No, I told somebody out on it actually just today because they

[01:26:30] they sent a like it's like a 20 chapter book as a link to something that they wanted me to comment on and I'm like you what I'm not reading that. It was he was trying to tell me that I was wrong about

[01:26:47] the Dead Sea Scrolls Times. Can I I looked it up? I said well it was somewhere between like 200 BC and and this time frame because I was talking about how there are places in the Old Testament

[01:26:59] that have been added to written you know out of time. So like you know the book we're in now with Daniel was written about 400 years past when the Bible any next I'll actually happen which is what

[01:27:11] we're talking about right and he's like you're wrong you're absolutely wrong in the Dead Sea Scrolls prove this and I'm like okay but the things I'm talking about we're all done prior to this

[01:27:22] right I'm not talking about the New Testament which also that doesn't work for that either because of when the New Testament was written. Right so either way you go with this yes it's a nice

[01:27:31] basis for people to understand an early text of the Bible but you can't use that as proof that nothing was ever altered in the Bible either. It's just it's one of those things like they they they pick

[01:27:45] these little points and they're like this is the reason all of this is correct and I'm like no that's not correct. The printing press really caused problems because it made it like solid

[01:27:57] in written in stone it'll never be changed ever and it's like you're cute I don't think you know how things work like I don't know how things work but I at least acknowledge that and I

[01:28:09] think I know more how things work than you do. Right right. So okay we're almost there with this chapter. Sorry I know I went off on our note that is okay that is okay um yeah so no other God can

[01:28:20] save in this way. Right yeah okay then the king promoted Shadra and Abadnego in the province of Babylon. So the men to power which I thought they already were but whatever. Yeah they were until somebody

[01:28:35] else was like deer assholes and they like yeah deer assholes and then he saw a miracle happen. He's like they're not assholes. Right okay whatever whatever man. Yep so that's the end. That was Daniel chapter three. Sure as fuck was. Which means that we'll be back tomorrow with

[01:28:57] Big D chapter four. Daniel chapter four we'll see you then. Bye. Husband. Hey hello. Hi we're we're back. Hi welcome back. Yeah we had a bit of a meltdown on our computer.

[01:29:14] It took a crap and then we had to order parts and it took forever and now we're back. A week later and you know what we're gonna do. We're gonna continue where we left off.

[01:29:22] Well yes but we're gonna pretend that um episodes um well I don't know the episode number but Daniel chapters one two and three. Yeah that those just now were Monday to the right.

[01:29:37] We're just starting to just piggyback right up. Yep right so like this is Thursday last week. Yep instead of Thursday this week. No those were this week. Oh okay. We never took a week off.

[01:29:47] So since we just read Daniel chapter yesterday. Yeah yeah remember what happened and where the hell we are? Well I remember there was a golden dildo giant golden dildo. I don't recall that. Yeah there was there was a giant statue the the Nermikaiser made the giant gold statue.

[01:30:03] Yeah and they wouldn't bow to it. Yeah okay. Okay and then the uh the three three guys uh the shat rat me sat shat shat and a bed nigo. Why can't we just say um Daniel's homies?

[01:30:21] Yeah those guys they uh they got thrown into a fire by Nermikaiser and they lived because god no because when Nermikaiser looked into the furnace door window or something. A he didn't get burned up even though with guards did. Right. And B um he saw the like shadowy

[01:30:41] golden image of a fourth guy with his god question mark. Sure or you know angel lord whatever they want to call it and but then you know because we just we just got done reading and

[01:30:55] before prior to that how Nermikaiser was like saying how this god was all powerful because Daniel was able to interpret his dream and no his dream. So that happened the chapter prior to this last one.

[01:31:07] And then this one he's throwing people in the fire because they worship this other god and then because they wouldn't bow to him. Because they wouldn't bow to his god. Right. He was precious little dildo's dad. Right right and so when that happened and he saw that they

[01:31:21] lived and some god or angel or whatever saved them yeah. He then said that this god was the most powerful god again. Again he relearned his life. Yeah so he's like oh yeah I forgot.

[01:31:36] The amount of time that he's learned that this god is the most powerful god kind of detracts from the idea that he's learned that this god is the most powerful god. Right. But that's just my opinion.

[01:31:45] I mean he is Babylonian you know about those Babylonians. He certainly was no chaldean. He comes from his long side and I'm wondering how horrible. Yeah yeah yeah. So that was the that was the just of Daniel chapter three. That sure spoke one.

[01:32:01] And we're really happy to be back on our regular schedule that never never didn't never deviated. Right yeah let's go with that. Yep. And so today we're going to be reading. Daniel, check her floor. All right let's do this. Okay.

[01:32:14] Okay. All right we are hopping into big D or Danny boy or Daniel. Yes. Chapter four. Yes. And before we start I wanted to say a couple things. First I remind her since I know he just read this yesterday but you know just a refresher

[01:32:41] right. Book is divided into two parts we are in the first part which is a comprising chapters one through six and that is a set of six court tales so it's like Daniel's time at

[01:32:55] court except for chapter three where he didn't show up at all. Right. And then the second part is chapter seven through twelve which are four apocalyptic visions. Right. And speaking of a apocalyptic that gets me into I need to clarify something because I use the word a

[01:33:16] apocryphal and apocalyptic in confusing ways and I don't think I totally knew what the fuck I was talking about in the last episode. In one of the previous episodes. Right. Yeah. So an apocryphal story is one that is considered like secret or missing or it's one that's

[01:33:38] been kept out of the Bible. Right. Yeah out of the canon specifically or that would be in general but with regard to the Bible it's been left out of the Bible. Right. Right. So there are some

[01:33:52] stories that belong in the book of Daniel that are apocryphal in that they're left out. Right. Okay. Now having said that the book of Daniel is considered an apocalyptic tale because it has those apocalyptic visions. Right. So um and there are other books of the

[01:34:15] Bible like the book of Revelation is one that we happen to know as an apocalyptic story. I mean just kind of gleaned that from you know. Right. But we know of the book of Revelation.

[01:34:29] Yeah. So um the story of Daniel, the book of Daniel is an apocalyptic vision. There are tales that were left out of this apocalyptic vision therefore they are apocryphal. So one might say that those three stories that were left out are both apocryphal and apocalyptic.

[01:34:52] Okay. Okay. Well are they the other like some of those stories are apocalyptic or they're a part of the apocalyptic book. I don't know if those stories and enough themselves are apocalyptic visions. Okay. That is a good point. I don't know whether they fall into the

[01:35:10] court tales or the visions. Right. And that's what I was just curious about because I don't know anything about those. No, you need their manuals. So I don't even know if Daniel's in them. Right. Right. So um just wanted to clarify that there is a difference between

[01:35:26] apocryphal and apocalyptic and that I may or may not have used them interchangeably and um never listened to me. So there's that. All right. So. But no, listen to us all the time.

[01:35:40] Right. Every day all the time. No. We can't even take a week off. We don't. And didn't. So haven't. When I say don't listen to me, I just mean don't trust me. Always listen to our podcast.

[01:35:52] Never trust a goddamn thing we say. I mean. I mean. I know. I think I think look we endeavor to find the right information and we always try to come back with the correct information.

[01:36:03] And I think that because we're going through this for our first time and we're trying to figure this out kind of on the fly, right? We're not we're not doing a lot of research out front,

[01:36:14] right? I do very mild research and I don't always catch the full meaning or sure impact of certain words. And this is this has been from the very get go meant to be a very

[01:36:29] first take glance at the Bible from the perspective of us who are it's our first time reading it. Right. And we're atheists, right? And we ain't got no college between us. Just kidding.

[01:36:40] That's not entirely true. But I'm just kidding. We do have some college. I'm just saying we're like the every man. Sure. That's all. Okay. So this chapter, Daniel chapter four, gets into Nebuchadnezzar's

[01:36:56] madness. Okay. And I have sent you a picture that is creepy AF that y'all should go take a look at this picture. Husband is going to put it in different places. I don't know where he can try.

[01:37:11] I can't really do it in the show notes. I don't think you can post it in the show. I'm not really sure where I'm putting it yet. Okay. Well, I will talk about it again at the end of

[01:37:20] this and like you know what it's called and everything so that you can try to go find it. Okay. It's not hard actually if you... Please use your to put a final link to it and then I'll

[01:37:30] try to put a link to it. I think you can be easiest way to do it. I think if you go to Wikipedia and just type in Daniel 4, it's Daniel chapter four is what that is and it comes up in that.

[01:37:44] Because it's a rendition of what Nebuchadnezzar might have looked like. So it's a solid picture that's really creepy and weird. Yes, isn't it though? Why would he look like that?

[01:37:59] I don't know let's find out. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I saw that when I was doing my notes and I was like why is he? He's human right? Yeah. I mean he's just a guy. Yeah, it's very weird. Who build 60 foot

[01:38:12] Delos? Right. Yeah. Golden ones. Yeah. I mean this picture is not cool. It doesn't... He does not look okay in that image. No, he doesn't. All right so let's read this. Okay. King Nebuchadnezzar

[01:38:27] to the nations and peoples of every language who live in all the earth. Uh-huh. And this is a letter Oh, okay. I forgot to say that. Oh, Nebuchadnezzar or what's the use of the letter from? What this chapter is

[01:38:38] presented in the form of a letter from King Nebuchadnezzar. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot to mention that. Sorry. May you prosper greatly. It is my pleasure to tell you about the miraculous signs and wonders

[01:38:52] that the most high God has performed for me. So something has happened to Nebuchadnezzar and he's like y'all hang on. Hang on. Wait. I'm not sure what song you're thinking of by the monkeys.

[01:39:20] Hey, I'm a monkey. Yeah, no that's right. I don't know. Hey, we monkey around. No. I don't either. Okay. Anyways, how great are his signs? How mighty his wonders? His kingdom is an eternal

[01:39:35] kingdom. His dominion and jurors from generation to generation. So he is like... Then he's all in. Yeah. He's like he's committed. He's like y'all just wait till I tell you. The dream thing,

[01:39:47] you know, it was, but the living through the fire. Yeah. The walk in the fire. Yeah. He's right in a letter. He's right in a letter to all his buddies. Yeah. And I mean, who does a King hang out with

[01:39:59] but other kings and high officials? Right. And you would think that if he thought this, that he would maybe let them, the Israelites go, you would think. If he really thought this

[01:40:09] this guy was like best, this badass. I didn't know. Here, you can go to the shipyard. I don't want that guy. I'm not going to fuck with you. Right? Ooh. I, Netticonezzer was at home in my palace,

[01:40:22] contented and prosperous. You know, I was just hanging around as I do like whatever all in a sitting King. I had a dream that made me afraid as I was lying in bed, the images and visions

[01:40:33] that passed through my mind terrified me. So I commanded that all the wise men of Babylon be brought before me to interpret the dream for me. So he's recapping my head. Yeah. Okay. When

[01:40:44] the magicians and chanters, astrologers and diviners came, I told them the dream but they could not interpret it for me. And that is not what happened. Right. He told them they had to know what the

[01:40:53] dream was. Yeah. He did not tell them his dream. He told him he had a dream. Right. Tell me what my dream is and tell me what the fuck it means. Yeah. So already it's not correct. It's not correct.

[01:41:05] You know, wrote that ship wrong. Finally, Daniel came into my presence, you know, because I made him. Yeah. And I told him the dream. That's not in Tallahuree either. He, when Daniel came into his

[01:41:17] presence it was because Daniel requested to see. Oh yeah, yeah. Well, listen to this. I told him the dream. No, but you didn't though. Right. Oh my god. Unless this is a different dream.

[01:41:27] But I can't imagine right. Wait, does it make any sense? He is called beltashes are, you know, because we're so busy. So he's admitting that this God is the all powerful all seen knowing

[01:41:38] God, right? And yet he's not referring to Daniel by his, um, his, his given name from his neighbor. Yeah. Yeah. He's referring to them by the name that he gave him. Yeah. Which sounds like he doesn't

[01:41:53] really respect this God in that statement. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Listen to this. Okay. He is called beltashes are after the name of my god and the spirit of the holy

[01:42:04] gods is in him. So he's basically like this is his way of showing respect even though it is disrespectful. Right. So does he disrespect? I don't know. Got it. Got it. Okay. I said, I said,

[01:42:20] beltashes are big D. Yeah. Keep of the magicians. I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in you and no mystery is too difficult for you. Hmm. Here is my dream, interpret it for me. Okay.

[01:42:35] These are the visions I saw while lying in bed. I'll look and they're before me stood a tree in the middle of the land. It's height was enormous. You know, as a tree does, the tree grew large

[01:42:47] and strong and it's top, touched the sky as trees do. You wouldn't, wouldn't, it could constitute touching the sky. Wouldn't anything off of the ground kind of be the sky to, it's a matter of

[01:42:58] perspective, right? Mm-hmm. If you're an ant, the sky is just right there like at our ankle. But if you're, you know, human obviously it's a little bit higher. It's kind of a... Where does sky end and space begin? Right. Yeah. It's all about how you perceive it.

[01:43:15] So like, and if you live in the mountains or you in the sky, no, you're still on earth. But I don't know, I feel like you might have to. I mean, I heighten the mountains once and there was a

[01:43:24] place up there. I was above the clouds. So I mean, I guess maybe I touched the sky. Okay, and what about an airplane? If it's hovering, it's not on the ground, but it's hovering above

[01:43:35] the ground. Is it in the sky? It's not on earth? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, right? That's one of those questions that keep you up in night kind of things. Not me. No, but it's like shower thoughts.

[01:43:46] All right, the Loss of Rappder, you know, Loss of Rappder. Right, right. Okay. On any way, the tree touched the sky or whatever. It was visible to the ends of the earth.

[01:43:57] Its leaves were beautiful. It's fruit abundant and on it was food for all. Under it was the while oh, I messed that up. Let me try reading that again. Yeah. Right. Under it, the wild animals

[01:44:08] found shelter and the birds lived in its branches from it every creature was fed. What is this? Same dream. Because I remember like a statue that was made of a bunch of different trees.

[01:44:17] It was a different dream. I guess. So, okay, maybe he did tell him is dream. Sure. I just, this whole book so far has been very disjointed with regard to the story, stories and how they kind

[01:44:30] of don't connect. Right, yeah. They're like chapter one, one story in and of itself. They're kind of well-tled stories, but they're not, they're not together. Right. They don't have transitions and an editor would send it back and say, you need to write transitional scenes. Even the fact,

[01:44:49] like it's not so much that it doesn't have transitions. It doesn't have any continuity. Like there's no, like this story doesn't relate to the other dream story that we'll learn about, which I would

[01:45:00] assume do a bit about. Yeah. The last story doesn't acknowledge the fact that he already acknowledged that God is the most God of high. And here he's writing the letter about God being the most

[01:45:10] biggest God best God, but it's not about the why and the time either of the other times. But he acknowledged that. It's an entirely different like it's dream. This is all kind of

[01:45:18] job. Like as far as this is really weird. Yeah, I don't know. It is interesting. Yeah. In the visions I saw while lying in bed, I looked and there before me was a holy one,

[01:45:30] a messenger coming down from heaven. He called an allowed voice cut down the tree and trim off its branches. Strip off its leaves and scatter its fruit, let the animals flee from under it

[01:45:44] and the birds from its branches, but let the stump and its roots bound with iron and bronze remain in the ground in the grass of the field. Mm. Okay. Let him be drenched with the doofeven.

[01:45:58] This is still the guy talking. Okay. Yeah. And let him live with the animals among the plants of the earth. Let his mind, I gotta tell you. I gotta interrupt myself here. If this happened in my dream,

[01:46:09] I could not wake up and tell you this whole speech blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. I'd be like, I don't know. He says something like, could that shagans? Yeah. And I don't know if he

[01:46:18] the animals would ever do? I'm not going to say this. I have had a friend that I remember from high school that was able to like in detail recount his dreams that he had like from the previous

[01:46:31] night. Okay. And he would tell us the whole thing. Oh no, no, I don't have a problem with him remembering everything that happened. Okay. I'm having a problem with the whole and then he said

[01:46:41] a speech and I'm going to recount for you the speech that he said. Right. And it's like a word for word thing. Got it. Like that's what I mean. I would not be able to deliver that speech to you.

[01:46:52] Got it. I would have to summarize it. But why did I get special way? I think we're supposed to assume that this is, you know, imprinted from God, right? Seared into his breath. Yeah. All right.

[01:47:02] In gold sparkling letters. All right. Let him live with the animals among the plants of the earth. Let his mind be changed from that of a man and let him be given the mind of an animal

[01:47:17] till seven times pass by for him. Seven. Seven. Yeah. Oh, it's seven. Right. That would be why he looks weird as fuck in that picture. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. The decision is announced by

[01:47:28] messengers. The holy ones declare the verdict so that the living may know that the most high is sovereign over all kingdoms on earth and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them.

[01:47:41] The lolliest of people. Okay. This is the dream that I, King Nibbicadnezzar had. Now beltages are telling me what it means for none of the wise men in my kingdom can interpret it for me.

[01:47:54] But you can because the spirit of the holy gods is in you. I got that in me. All right. I did. Again, they had their own gods in Babylon and this none of this tracks. This

[01:48:08] is not sit well with me as something that could have even like remotely happened. I'm going to push back on that just a little bit in that they might like many of them might have looked

[01:48:22] on the gods as personal and so like our god, my god is different from y'all's god and your personal god. So they recognize that each of them had different gods. You know what I mean? Yeah. I guess.

[01:48:39] Wasn't until like what are they called the Hebrews took over and we're like, no there's only one though. And then later on, you know? And then the Christians were like, yeah totally there's only

[01:48:51] fucking one. There's only one god damn it ever. They're never was any other. Sure. So they be prior to that. They recognize that we have our god over here in this corner of the world

[01:49:03] y'all have y'all's. And then you know you might pass somebody on the road and but I'm not I'm not even getting with that. I'm saying that the acclaim that he is giving to this god

[01:49:14] when he's got his own god that they worship seems excessive. It's it seems too much. It seems that he's giving too much credit to this god when he was this this is a this is a guy who they

[01:49:27] are claiming was building you know 60 foot statues for his god right and doing sacrifices and doing all these different things right and and all of a sudden we're supposed to believe that he is this

[01:49:39] like he's just prostrating himself and he's you know writing letters because he is so enamored with this other god that has proved itself to him. It just don't buy it that's all right. He literally

[01:49:52] just conquered these people and this just sounds like some propaganda bullshit is what it sounds like. True, true I mean especially because it's so disjointed. The the winners did write the book after all. Yeah right. All right so then Daniel also called built-as-as-r was greatly

[01:50:11] perplexed for a time and his thoughts terrified him so the king said built-as-as-r do not let the dream or its meaning alarm you okay I mean if you were Daniel wouldn't you be like the hell

[01:50:23] you say you don't know what it is. Right you don't get to be like don't be afraid. Right yeah you wouldn't be asking for my interpretation if you knew it a month. Yeah with the fuck band. Yeah

[01:50:35] my lord if only the dream applied to your enemies and its meaning to your adversaries the tree you saw which grew large and strong with its top touching the sky visible to the whole earth

[01:50:48] with beautiful you know that one yeah that one with beautiful leaves I'm gonna read read a scribe and yeah okay with beautiful leaves and abundant fruit providing food for all giving shelter to the wild animals and having nesting places in its branches for the birds you

[01:51:01] know that one yes okay your majesty your majesty your majesty that's I was having a hard time with majesty and tree right because he says your majesty you are that tree got it so I would call him

[01:51:19] your majesty yeah because that's just fun right. Okay sorry you have become great and strong your greatness has shown no has grown until it reaches the sky and your dominion extends to

[01:51:33] distant parts of the earth okay I don't think he touches the sky. What I mean they're just saying he's great right? You're so great yeah you're a fucking tree guy. Yeah we're talking about a

[01:51:43] fucking dream here so whatever. Look how you be so tree. Yeah you're majesty saw a holy one a messenger coming down from heaven and saying and I'm gonna tell you again what he said I'm gonna describe

[01:51:57] your dream back to you. Yeah okay. Cut down the tree and destroy it but leave the storm bound with iron and bronze in the grass of the field while its roots remain in the ground. Hold on

[01:52:08] what iron and bronze yeah that was part of the original dream that we heard back in that earlier chapter remember because they they left the bits at the bottom that were um will know ceramic

[01:52:19] or it was like clay and steel it was clans steel or no iron. Yeah because we talked about how we used to heat iron and then it started representing the other things later on but anyway it sounds

[01:52:31] like maybe it's like a this is like an offshoot of the same story yeah this is some other branch of it. I mean keep in mind too that these stories were picked up from various sources. Yeah no like they

[01:52:43] were not just like lying around already so that's that's what I'm trying to draw attention to is that this is probably essentially the same story just different versions of it that were out there.

[01:52:55] Right that's true see what they should have done is like combine them so that it was one story you know yeah like dude totally would have meant and then so this is what we did.

[01:53:07] I do find it really interesting that even in this modern age that there are so many blatant contradictions that are left in the Bible that they just don't correct because it's always been there. Right like

[01:53:21] we we know people scholars know that these things are not you know they draw attention to the legitimacy or illegitimate of the Bible right and so why would we leave them in there? It doesn't it doesn't

[01:53:37] make a lot of sense to me. Because these are words that were exchanged thousands of years ago. There's stories that somebody created thousands of years ago is what it is and they wrote them down

[01:53:53] and then we're supposed to the part that bothers me is that essentially a lot of this stuff is said to be the word of God or the directions from God or whatever but when we're talking about

[01:54:06] two different things that are kind of the same thing but not matching in anyway whatsoever that really really detracts from that message. So that's all. No I agree you're right.

[01:54:17] Okay so I'm still describing to you what happened in your dream. Right cut down the tree and destroy it but leave the stump bound with iron and bronze in the grass of the field while its roots remain

[01:54:29] in the ground. Let him be drenched with the dew of heaven do do. Let him live with the wild animals until seven times pass by for him. Seven. Seven. Yep. Yep. This is the interpretation your

[01:54:42] majesty, majesty if you will and this is the decree the most high has issued against my Lord the King. You will be driven away from people and we'll live with the wild animal. No not that.

[01:54:57] You will eat grass like the ox and be drenched with the dew of heaven. Please let me hit me. Okay. Seven times will pass by for you until you acknowledge that the most

[01:55:09] high is sovereign over all kingdoms on earth and gives them to anyone he wishes. I just want to I want to make one small note here because we we say things about it all the time but we don't

[01:55:20] talk about it a lot anymore but the number seven has popped up so many times throughout the Bible. As well as 40 and there's a couple of like there's some numbers that just like 12 is another one.

[01:55:31] They just have like there's certain numbers that just always pop into. That's why people test people love patterns and specific numbers made it easier to remember the stories verbally and they these were originally oral stories a lot of them. Yeah. So

[01:55:48] there's that end now coming at it from the other end where we are today people love patterns. So they look at those numbers and try to ascribe meaning to it. Right. Right. And that's where you

[01:56:01] get your numerologists and your angel numbers and shit like that. Yeah I just didn't want to keep making fun of it without saying something about it. Yeah it's it's seven for me dog. The command

[01:56:13] to leave the stump of the tree with its roots okay still Daniel telling. Yeah. The king that you know he's going to go matter whenever. Sure. Means that your kingdom will be restored to you when you acknowledge that heaven rules and rules man. Hansi's ready Miss letters. Yeah.

[01:56:31] Therefore your majesty be pleased to accept my advice. We now choose sins by doing what is right in your wickedness by being kind to the oppressed it may be that then your prosperity will continue. Okay all this happened to King Nebuchadnezzar you know me the letterwriter. Right.

[01:56:50] Me I'm writing this. Okay 12 months later as the king me was walking on the roof of the royal powers of Babylon he I the king said is not this the great Babylon I have built as the royal

[01:57:06] residents by my mighty power and for the glory of my majesty look at my shit my shit is so big did you see how my dick was just hanging there so huge okay I'm not really I'm not

[01:57:21] understand what's going on here exactly he's being boastful yeah but like that's not good with God. Yeah he's gonna get in trouble. Okay okay all right. I mean even as the words were on his lips

[01:57:31] a voice came from heaven you're a fool you're so fucking stupid I specifically told you don't say right this is what is decreed for you King Nebuchadnezzar this is the voice from heaven.

[01:57:46] Yeah right your his letter yeah it's letter your royal authority boom has been taken from you it doesn't say boom but I thought it would be a nice touch yeah you King Nebuchadnezzar will be

[01:57:59] driven away from the people and will live with the wild animals you will eat grass like the ox okay seven times will pass by for you until you acknowledge that the most highest sovereign overall

[01:58:13] kingdom's on earth and gives them to anyone he wishes we've talked about this before too this story sounds very similar to the whole Moses and Pharaoh story yeah like they're the seven

[01:58:25] of the things and the you know like I think we talked about this during his first dream because there was some correlation between the Exodus story and this story and it feels like these

[01:58:37] writings that are being done which they were written as I recall like we talked about in the first chapter they're written in like the second century BCE I think you know I'm shitty with numbers

[01:58:49] whatever they were written later than a lot of the other books written that we've read so far and I believe it was like around 200 BCE so I'm just gonna go somewhere along those lines

[01:59:01] but it feels like there was this group of people and I think we even talked about the group of people but like they're they're they're writing these books based on their studies of the Bible

[01:59:10] to create new stories like hey hey let's just see issue this one yeah with new binding right yeah that was a great idea for sure let's just use that shit you know what people

[01:59:22] love people who collect books what they love is when you get a book and it has multiple different covers people love that by which I mean readers fucking hate that shit don't do it don't do it

[01:59:36] or like the movie tie in cover no they want the original cover okay so that's what they're doing here they're just putting it in a new cover but this is a whole new book though they're writing

[01:59:49] they're writing okay it's a new story but whatever you know new phone who this right kind of thing but it's the same person at the other end of the line sure okay immediately what had been said

[02:00:02] about never can as are wasp a filled oh we got to listen to it one more time they're gonna tell us what they told us what they said all right he was driven away from people and eight grass like the

[02:00:11] arms his body was drenched with the doof heaven until his hair grew like the feathers of an eagle and his nails like the claws of a bird and that picture yeah that we saw perfectly in come this is

[02:00:25] that all in two in the shows yes at the end of that time I never can as are raised my eyes toward heaven and my sanity was restored okay at that time I understand didn't didn't you do a seven

[02:00:41] you had to a seven before you looked at me we're just gonna assume that that happening seven times you know what's that are we assuming this is a week and not like seven years I'm assuming that this whole

[02:00:52] story is bullshit I mean okay yes obviously it's bullshit but like in canon right what is I have no they didn't really make that clear so I don't I really don't know it had only be a week

[02:01:03] it couldn't be seven years sure I mean in canon I guess in the king couldn't have disappeared for seven years but also this this book of Daniel so far has been very poistrous with regard to how

[02:01:15] it is you know pushing up God yeah it's it's very it's definitely inflating God's ego with all this it's crazy this this whole this whole thing is is just crazy talk god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god

[02:01:33] right then I praise the most high yeah I didn't okay I honored and glorified him who lives forever his dominion is an eternal dominion his kingdom and jerse from generation to generation

[02:01:48] although he does ignore his people a lot so all the peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing they're not even worms now damn they're not even worms he does as he pleases with the power of heaven

[02:02:03] and the peoples of the earth you know because he's a dick right I recognize that your God is a dick yes I recognize that as well no one can hold back his hand or say to him what have you done

[02:02:15] I can oh yeah and then we're doing that yeah what have you done my goodness you suck right at the same time that my sanity was restored my honor and splendor were returned to me

[02:02:29] for the glory of my kingdom okay my advisors and noble sought me out and I was restored to my throne and became even greater than before do you think he brushed his teeth first I don't know

[02:02:40] calm this hair I don't know I think this whole changed is on the some I mean he was just like crawling around in the grass right like a madman yeah like do you think he cleaned up

[02:02:50] I have no idea now I never could never praise and exult and glorify I got out my thosaurus and did a bunch of good positive things the king of heaven because everything he does is right and all his ways are just and those who walk in pride

[02:03:10] he is able to humble the end I want to know where they got their source material from because this was written 400 years after the Babylonian exile right so never because it's been dead for 400 years when they wrote this probably something like that yeah I'm almost certain that that's

[02:03:26] correct okay so anyway they they wrote this let's just say three to 400 years after Nebuchadnezzar is dead right and what the fuck do we know about people 300 and 400 year what do we know about

[02:03:40] people with the you know like are founding fathers we don't even know our great grandparents usually we know enough to tell some like fun stories about them right but that's because we have a lot of

[02:03:52] written history on them and they're still vague characters to us that we don't really know that well yeah and here we are in ancient times reading about Nebuchadnezzar and what he felt like with

[02:04:03] regard to this god yeah how some three of my videos yeah what like where did you get your information I want to know where you got this from right because it doesn't make this this makes no

[02:04:13] fucking shit unless it was filed in the historical fiction aisle I mean what just saying historical fiction is a thing it's where you take a person or event that actually happened from

[02:04:29] history which Nebuchadnezzar was a king and then you write a story around it and you apply words and thoughts and feelings to him and then you you can't call it historical obviously because it's

[02:04:41] fiction but it has so much history in it that did happen so you call it a historical fiction and that is what they did with us I believe this whole story about Nebuchadnezzar and Babylon and God and Daniel and all

[02:04:54] his friends I feel like this is a three to 400 years later feel good insert into the biblical text so that everybody can feel better about their their whole um getting conquered thing that happened

[02:05:11] a while back you know it's just this feels like propaganda like I said earlier it's not it's not it doesn't um jive with all like there none of these books none of these chapters mesh well

[02:05:24] with each other right and it just feels like straight up propaganda well things that's how I feel needed to create these stories to resurrect a national pride yeah no I mean what is more what is

[02:05:42] going to be more exciting than um a king who oppressed you um not just like dying but like before he died he actually turned around and praised our god right that's the that exactly is that's the

[02:05:57] conversation I'd like to be having about the Bible right what does this actually mean to these people why did they do these things in the context of history what was going on at the time why

[02:06:08] do they write these obviously false stories about this this this king and there there are reasons like you just said probably that that revolve around you know pride of their their people and you know trying to bring back their um their nationality and and given everybody excited about

[02:06:27] their god again right but we don't talk about it that way we talk about it as a true word of god type thing that happened right you want to be able to have like a literary analysis that also

[02:06:38] takes history and geography into account and the politics at the time and all of that I think that's how we should be talking about any 2000 year old mythological being no I agree totally that has no

[02:06:50] proof of existence well that's what we're trying to do here but we have to read it in order to be able to have that conversation and I'm like I'm further away like I was already really far away

[02:07:03] from believing in God when we before we ever started this Bible right yeah but you were more just like man whatever I was angry at what people did with the Bible and the words and the Bible and

[02:07:15] because it was very it was affecting our culture a lot and and now even more so right but I didn't know to what extent it was just a bunch of crap you know like I didn't understand

[02:07:29] that I I thought maybe like I was ready to see how it like came together and made sense right and and there there are arguments to be made that you can take messages throughout the Bible

[02:07:43] and create this this standard message right and especially if you bring the New Testament into the and all these different things right but so far where we are and where we've come from

[02:07:57] the messages are just not working for me at all they changed so much from the beginning to now yeah and so many times over that I can understand how every single belief system thinks it's the right one

[02:08:12] sure because there's a place in the Bible that validates that yeah yeah no and people joke about all the time but you know the cherry picked Bible or whatever and it's very true like there

[02:08:25] there if I've seen one thing as we've been reading through this whole thing is that there the Bible is that there are you could you could take things to mean any number of things you could

[02:08:36] you could you could take this Bible that we've read and you could turn it into whatever type of idea you wanted to make it into there there is no set interpretation there are accepted interpretations by certain groups that have become the main stream interpretations but

[02:08:55] you and I have read through this and taken something completely different than somebody who was religious would take from it obviously because we don't have the background to give us preconceived notions but generally they don't either well I see which saying you're we're atheists

[02:09:08] we haven't grown up in the religion we're not just we grew up without religion right right I have to clarify that because there are people who did grow up with religion and then

[02:09:20] who became Christian or became atheists right and I wanted to clarify that we do not have that back honestly with regard to people who care a lot about being atheists that seems to be the majority of

[02:09:32] people out there the reason we claim the title of atheists is more because of the political bullshit surrounding Christianity and the United States then it is about our anger or

[02:09:49] like I don't want to say it's just anger with regard to the atheists that are out there but it's because it's not but there is definitely some aspect of wanting to disassociate themselves from

[02:10:02] the God of the Bible specifically because it was such a traumatic event that that whole portion of the life was so traumatic with regard to how they were brought up how they felt about this

[02:10:17] imaginary God and what happened to them when they decided to not believe in them anymore right there's a lot of I we've heard a lot of really horrible stories from people and generally I think

[02:10:30] most people are happy to have figured this out but it still leaves chunks of hurt and pain yes so it's just it's different ways of approaching the same thing and I just never expected to see

[02:10:45] this much difference and what we're reading versus what the idea of the message is that's out in the world yeah that's that's been an interesting thing too I think I totally agree with you like

[02:10:57] there we know basic stories you know the Noah's Ark and that kind of thing and you know Adam and Eve but we did not know all the other ins and outs of various stories yeah and that's been interesting

[02:11:12] Christians give you the elevator pitch right right it's not you you get the quick quick version of what they believe Christianity is yeah and it's always something beautiful and wonderful and and you just need to believe and you gotta have faith right that's that's general message that

[02:11:26] you get and and most of those people probably know way less about the Bible than we do um I actually want to say something about that because we were talking to somebody who had de-converted from Christianity

[02:11:38] and they said something that I meant to comment on at the time because it was so profound but it did stick in the back of my mind so um with regard to Christians always claiming that they

[02:11:50] 've read the Bible like you and I always say that what they have read has been pieces from various pages and various books and various chapters that are you know daily devotionals that kind of thing

[02:12:04] or whatever their pastor tells them to read they're not a cohesive like reading it all in order right and then I have said um you know I completely believe that they may have read the entire Bible

[02:12:17] but not straight through and that makes all the fucking difference yeah like they may have touched every word at one time right you know throughout their life yeah but it doesn't matter because they're not reading the whole thing so they don't know what the fuck they've read but

[02:12:34] the conversation when we were having this with some of our friends in the discord group that meets Tuesday nights at 10 Eastern probably Wednesdays this month oh I forgot about that yeah the word should schedule change yeah keep keep following us for updates on that but

[02:12:50] but at any rate we were having a discussion about this in our discord group and one of the people that had decomverted from Christianity said we were brainwashed into believing that we had read the entire Bible so yeah I remember that comment yeah and and um she said

[02:13:14] when she left the church and started you know actually trying to read the Bible for herself and then listening to our podcast and listening to us talk about it um was when she realized that

[02:13:28] she hadn't read nearly as much as she thought she had right and I found that fascinating I didn't know that that was um a facet of the church that they do let people believe that they've read

[02:13:42] the whole Bible yeah well I think it's a lot like how you know when you're in an elementary school through high school if you if you never go past that point with your education or choose to

[02:13:54] learn more on your own your idea of what um history is is varied uh generic and and filled with holes right and it's only when you decide to learn more that it it fills in some of those gaps and you

[02:14:10] start giving a little up all about what you know humanity's history is and you know but you it takes giving beyond that surface level understanding of what it is and and generally unless you are

[02:14:25] scholarly about anything that you you want to be in the church to then you're never going to get past that generic state of that text right you're always going to get that fluffy wonderful version of it

[02:14:41] right and you have to want to know more you have to want to know more and a lot of times people are just content to just lie with what they've gotten and and they're done they don't need more I think that's

[02:14:53] I think that's a great response to any question that you're fighting with I'm sad that you don't want to know more yeah you know I mean that's that's the absolute truth and that can be true of not just

[02:15:03] the Bible but people that are like I can't be expected to you know remember people's pronouns and blah blah blah really because you could memorize all the pieces of a recipe and you know learn

[02:15:16] new vegetables that you never heard of before right and that's not a problem for you but respecting people like I'm really sad that you're done taking in new information yeah well the respect

[02:15:25] them as long as that something that they deem is correct and right because they have no problem with names which is still an identified character of a human being and how they want to be identified

[02:15:35] unless those names are not your Jennifer Stacy David Chris right yeah no they would not accept a name that is that somebody tells them is their name if they deem that that person is not of

[02:15:46] that gender that's not white that's that's how they right like if it's if it's something that is like not considered like white American then they're like oh I can't possibly have to figure

[02:15:58] out these letters what is this alphabet soup yeah or you're right um a name that is specifically gender one way or the other if the person is identifying as a gender other than what their name

[02:16:11] would indicate yeah they're not gonna respect that so yeah they're just done and that's the lots of hypocrisy there is hypocrisy but it's also just they feel like they know everything

[02:16:23] there is to know and their church has told them that and so they have allowed that to it's almost like they can sit back in their lazy boys and sigh and go ah think goodness I don't have to

[02:16:35] try anymore with life or learn new stuff not only do I get to like enjoy you know just sit back in it and not try anymore like I get to be lazy but I also get to be prideful and boastful about

[02:16:49] it I think judgmental is something that people really enjoy doing too if they be vigilant like if you see yourself as higher or better than another human being that makes you feel good about yourself

[02:16:59] right somehow yeah so the more you can be judgmental and and and and degrade other people some to some people that makes them lift themselves like that that replaces their self worth well their their mental it helps them it helps them feel more powerful more

[02:17:24] in control there's a lot of things there's a lot of psychology yeah there's a lot of psychology behind it yeah that's what I mean I don't I don't I don't want to go I don't know all the ends now it's

[02:17:33] and I'm kind of talking out of my ass here as we do I know that that is part of it yeah so yeah I think we've talked this to death we have gone far afield my best so that was Daniel chapter 4

[02:17:45] sure it's fuck was which means that finally tomorrow will be that today will be reading Daniel chapter 5 that's right all right we will see you guys then bye husband wife do you know where we are and how the hell we got here well yesterday we read a

[02:18:08] Daniel chapter 4 and in that chapter never because as it was writing a letter he was writing a letter yeah and it was about a dream and I would have assumed that it was about the last dream that we

[02:18:21] heard about but it didn't quite sound the same yeah so that made me question a lot of things about like what the fuck is happening what's going on what what was this shit very confusing it was it was

[02:18:35] but ultimately he was going to be a tree in an eagle and he's going to get lost in the you know wilderness for seven years and there's like all kinds of stuff going on in the dream

[02:18:47] gonna eat grass right yeah it's gonna be grass yeah something like that anyway he's going to find his way back and then you know bow before god and I was going to be good and then he gets to

[02:18:57] be king again or something and then that happened and he was like you you you guys right like share the good news but I'm I'm a little skeptical about the validity of this account so

[02:19:10] for sure for sure you know just just a bit just a bit not only that it didn't happen because obviously right but the fact that he even a little bit felt this way yeah this kind of stuff

[02:19:23] no this whole book so far has been all about like making nebicon as a bow before their god yaway right and I'm like why this doesn't make any fucking sense to me yeah but okay I I feel like this is just

[02:19:35] like people in the future after the Babylonian ex-Auguin yeah he totally fucking loved god you see see how much he loved god he loved my lot and he came around at the end yeah you should too guys

[02:19:49] so anyway that was the just of Daniel chapter four it was which means that today we're getting into Daniel chapter five but something that's really funny that I have to say before you stop the

[02:20:01] recording there is my notes all say Ziki oh so I've been trying so fucking hard to say Ziannual yeah yeah that's the one that's the one that's the one that's the one that's the one

[02:20:16] that Daniel chapter four I saw it says Ziki oh my notes and I was like oh shit okay yes yes yes Daniel chapter five let's do it all right

[02:20:34] all right we are getting into Daniel big D chapter five yes we are okay yeah and before we start that I need to say as I do yeah that this book is divided into two parts we are in the first part which is

[02:20:51] chapters one through six and they are a set of six court tales okay talk about what is like to be at court right what's kind of like the introduction to the Daniel and crew right Daniel on his home

[02:21:04] yeah yeah and then the second part is chapter seven through 12 which are four apocalyptic visions okay good time so we are still in the court tales before we get into the apocalyptic vision

[02:21:18] and also that's far the continuity of these stories has been piss poor I'm so actually glad that you said that because I was about to say one more note before I move on chapter five is out of place

[02:21:33] course it is I don't think there's been a single one in place no um actually though this one is noted as being out of place wow those specifically this one's worse than the others yes yes

[02:21:45] it should come in after the seventh and eighth chapters so okay um this makes some of the chronology of the story hard to follow and like who's father and who's son and stuff like that so

[02:21:58] just wanted to kind of put that out there before we get into this but if we waited till seven and eight then we're into the apocalyptic vision stuff right okay all right I just wanted to put that kind

[02:22:09] of in there just to see it so all right so we'll see what happens yeah okay yeah um this is Daniel chapter five got it King Belchazar who'd fuck day right gave a great banquet for a thousand

[02:22:24] of his nobles and drink wine with them okay while Belchazar was drinking his wine he gave orders to bring in the gold and silver goblets that Nebuchadnezzar his father had taken from the temple in

[02:22:38] Jerusalem so that the King and his nobles his wives and his concubines might drink from them okay so we're a generation on here hmm might be in a couple generations because from what I was reading

[02:22:51] Nebuchadnezzar is not his actual father it's one of his forefathers like uh like his grandfather or even great grandfather got it so but wait we're still supposed to still assume that the Daniels alive here

[02:23:04] or what's I honestly don't know okay but let us keep in mind that these kings did not like stay on the throne for like decades and decades a decade that decades before they died right so it is possible

[02:23:19] that Daniel did outlive many kings and also we don't know yet but this is also supposed to be a mackeleptic visions so this might be set in a time that you know as ahead hmm so yeah I just wanted

[02:23:32] to put that it's not his daddy got it yeah it's just like remember that time when one of the grandfather's Nebuchadnezzar like he took those gold and silver goblets I'm gonna drink out of that

[02:23:43] you want to drink with me all you thousand people right yeah so he's about to you know do some shit make sure okay yeah um and he's gonna have his wives and his concubines drink from them as well

[02:23:56] got it so they brought in the gold goblets that had been taken from the temple of God in Jerusalem and the king and his nobles his wives and his concubines drink from them as they drink the wine

[02:24:09] they praised the gods of gold and silver of bronze iron wood and stone so apparently Nebuchadnezzar taking you know chain that the yaw way is the god of all gods and the most you know

[02:24:23] high and the feeling didn't get passed down apparently yeah but I mean it didn't even get passed down along the juice right so no I know you know like you really expect that the Babylonians gave

[02:24:34] a fuck but this is like I think that aspect of of the accounts in the Bible right of yaw way of God whatever that's partly what makes it so not believable right like if there was a god

[02:24:49] that truly felt like it was God these people would recognize that fact right and they try to write these things to where it feels like people are recognizing it but it never actually happens

[02:25:02] right so that's what bothers me about the whole you know a cat the whole recounting of these stories where they're talking about yaw way in God and how people react to him right so

[02:25:15] all right so they're all drinking out of those goblets and they're praising the gods of golden silver and all that what right okay suddenly the fingers of a human hand appeared and wrote

[02:25:29] on the plaster of the wall near the lampstand in the royal palace the king watched the hand as it wrote you would have a fucking hand appeared and started writing on plaster this is actually a very

[02:25:43] famous chapter for some of the things that we're going to learn in this okay all right yeah his face bell shazar yeah his face turned pale and he was so frightened that his legs became weak and his knees

[02:25:56] were knocking the king summoned the enchanters astrologers and diviners then he said to these wise men of Babylon whoever reads this writing and tells me what it means will be clothed in purple

[02:26:09] and have a gold chain placed around his neck and he will be made the third highest ruler in the kingdom just to stay to that loud purple was a very sought after coveted color in those times

[02:26:20] it was very hard to make it was hard to get a hold of which meant that if you had it that you were a rich mother fucker right right yeah I just one of them makes sure I said that out loud no that

[02:26:29] it that is good to point out yes then all the kings wise men came in and all the kings horses but they could not read the writing or tell the king what it meant so king belsha's are became

[02:26:42] even more terrified and his face grew more pale his nobles were baffled the queen hearing the voices of the king and his nobles came into the banquet hall made the king live forever she said

[02:26:56] don't be a long stone looks so pale there is a man in your kingdom who has the spirit of the holy gods in him who who am I assuming we're talking about Daniel again which okay I'm just going

[02:27:08] to throw this out there but he's already done some pretty apparently amazing things regard to one of his ancestors be it his father or grandfather or whatever right you would think

[02:27:19] that this guy would be pretty well Daniel will be pretty well known in the kingdom as far as the ability to divine things about weird circumstances this is at least a generation later yeah and um nebicadness or didn't necessarily pass these stories down his children

[02:27:43] there's that the queen who's like hang on hang on like let's call this one dude um she was very likely one of the um either brides or concupines of the previous kings before belsha's are okay

[02:27:58] so she would maybe even remember Daniel herself okay from the time of um nebicadnesser got it and then one more note is that it's suspected maybe that the time of this story Daniel was supposed to be like

[02:28:16] 80 years old oh okay so he's no longer a kid so this is like lots like a like a like time later later yeah and that's why the conology of this story is very difficult for we just got through

[02:28:29] with nebicadnesser like in his prime doing his thing and now all of a sudden like oh we're like several generations down right there is a man in your kingdom who has the spirit of the holy

[02:28:41] gods in him in the time of your father or grandfather or for father or whatever the fuck we're calling him today yeah he was found to have insight and intelligence and wisdom like that of the gods

[02:28:54] your father or for father grandfather or whatever king nebicadnesser appointed him chief of the magicians and chanters astrologers and diviners he did this because Daniel who the king called beltsha's are just to make sure that we all remember that you know he was a Hebrew renamed with

[02:29:16] right was found to have a keen mind and knowledge and understanding and also the ability to interpret dreams explain riddles and solve difficult problems call for Daniel and he will tell

[02:29:29] you what the writing means okay the writing on the wall if you will yes which is where that phrase or which is where yeah yeah so Daniel was brought before the king and the king said to him

[02:29:44] hey are you Daniel one of the late exiles my father the king brought from Judah uh yeah yeah I have heard that the spirit of the gods is in you and like that you have insider whatever intelligence outstanding wisdom that kind of thing right true yeah yeah false

[02:30:01] fiction true okay yeah I guess no kidding to this yeah the wise men and enchanters were brought before me to read this writing and tell me what it means but they were idiots they could not explain

[02:30:14] it they're one pump you know I do I do have a question though like we're talking about maybe like he's on his 80s or 70s or 80s right uh the exile only lasted like 70 or 80 years

[02:30:27] so we're like right at the end of like the court according to this we're right near the end of the exiles 15 when he came on board right so I mean at the very least we only got like maybe

[02:30:38] another 15 or 20 years something so exactly well let me I'm just I'm just trying to place this and let me finish this chapter and then your your answers will be no your questions will be answered

[02:30:50] okay answers will be questioned okay now I have heard that you Daniel are able to give interpretations and to like solve difficult problems or whatever if you can read this writing

[02:31:03] and tell me what it means you'll be clothed in purple you have a gold chain placed around your neck and you'll be made the third highest ruler in the kingdom I love as it came to repeat my

[02:31:13] fucking self right word for word you know it's it's the coolest yeah it's my favorite thing then Daniel answered the king you may keep your gifts for yourself and give your rewards to

[02:31:25] someone else who gives a shit it doesn't say who gives a shit it just says someone else yeah nevertheless I will read the writing for the king and tell him what it means so he's gonna read

[02:31:36] the writing on the wall he's gonna read the writing on the wall okay your majesty the most high god gave your father never could nether sovereignty and greatness and glory and splendor because of the high position he gave him all the nations and peoples of every language dreaded

[02:31:53] and feared him those the king wanted to put to death he put to death those he wanted to spare he spared those he wanted to promote he promoted and those he wanted to humble he humbled that is right

[02:32:06] it's almost like your magic and you're a prophet you could tell what was written without it seen it yeah but when his heart became arrogant and hardened with pride he was deposed from his royal throne

[02:32:19] and stripped of his glory he was made to eat you know grass yeah right he was driven away from people and given the mind of an animal he lived with the wild donkey's and ate grass like an ox

[02:32:32] I mean that's what the Bible says I don't I don't believe this but okay and his body was drenched with the dew of heaven the dew to heaven until he acknowledged that the most high god is sovereign

[02:32:45] over all kingdom's on earth and sets over them anyone he wishes but you belchazar his son grandson what the hell ever yeah have not humbled yourself though you knew all of this yeah dumb shit okay are

[02:33:00] you are you ready to hear what I'm about to lay down sir I suppose he probably you're a king but I'm gonna tell you some shit right okay yeah instead you have set yourself up against the Lord of heaven

[02:33:12] you had the goblets from his temple brought to you like you did this on purpose you knew what you were doing fuck-based right okay yeah and you and your nobles your wives and your concubines drink

[02:33:25] wine from them oh can you even you praised the gods of silver and gold of bronze iron wood and stone which cannot see or hear or understand but you did not honor the god who holds in his hand your

[02:33:39] life and all your ways therefore he sent the hand that wrote the inscription this is the inscription that was written okay many many tickle person I'm sorry why many many tickle person this is what

[02:33:56] actually says okay all right similar to any many many many mo okay yeah many many tickle person he's gonna translate yeah okay here is what these words mean ready yeah I'm ready

[02:34:11] and apologies if I miss pronounced them let's go ahead and assume I did yeah right many god has numbered the days of your reign and brought it to an end tickle you have been weighed on the scales

[02:34:24] and been found wanting cool parries your kingdom is divided and given to the needs and Persians then a neutral source command you know yeah the king guy right um Daniel was clothed in purple

[02:34:41] gold chain was placed around his neck and he was proclaimed okay the third high schooler in the kingdom no no no let me finish let me just finish all right I got one sentence left yeah yeah that very

[02:34:52] night guess what happened I I have no idea those are king of the Babylonians was mother fucking slain and there is the meat took over the kingdom at the age of 60 to the end

[02:35:03] say yeah not the peas and the Persians they got there they're having a dinner and then see gets murdered and then the meats take over what what um that was the downfall of the Babylonian

[02:35:14] kingdom that was not how the kingdoms in you was the kingdom oh my god the meats and the Persians I'm yeah I'm sure they didn't just walk in right the whole war there's what I'm saying

[02:35:25] but they're saying that that night is is it was for told before dude went to bed more over I am not I'm not the the fact okay if Daniel walked in and told him your kingdom sucks in his

[02:35:39] ending soon right he's not gonna make him the third highest in the land in fact he lied enough in prison or dead yeah or chopped into pieces or get the fuck back in that furnace I don't

[02:35:51] know why my forefather let you out right yeah although he wasn't one of the ones in the furnace so true but yeah that just seems very unrealistic yeah and complete no not not just like a little bit

[02:36:03] but like a lot there are so many times though and we've said this before throughout Daniel's especially yeah when people just walk right up to the king and they're like yo king let me tell you

[02:36:13] to your face some shit you right for this and I'm like a no you did not get in the king space right you didn't you just didn't right and b that is not what the fuck you said yeah

[02:36:25] see if you did you did not live to tell this motherfucking story right right so three ways that I a dumbass call shit on you well and this is why you know the fact that this ridden written

[02:36:39] hundreds of years after the Babylonian exile it's just people like wishfully thinking this is what happened with regard to their god in this moment right and I get it it's a great pure good story for your people right like you have these heroes doing these things

[02:36:55] to these kings that they have hord right but it's not real it's not even remotely realistic it's just a story that you would tell as a fun you know our god is awesome and this is what had you

[02:37:08] know this is how it went down totally you know but it's not true and it doesn't even it doesn't ring true it doesn't there's no there's no believability about it there are some um quote unquote scholars who have questions about what language the words were written in

[02:37:27] I guess I don't know if those words are Hebrew or Latin I suspect Latin would be more likely but who the fuck knows sure I mean somebody knows but it's not me right right

[02:37:40] and I can't remember what all I read about it but anyway there was a question about why he had all his fucking wise men and whatever in the room with him and not one of them could read the words

[02:37:51] yeah and the answer to that actually does kind of make sense if it was something that only Daniel could read it was something that it was likely that only Jewish could read okay

[02:38:02] and it was not favorable to be familiar or to claim familiarity with that language so even if any of them did know how to to read those words they would not have wanted to come forward it said hey

[02:38:18] I can read that that says your days are fucking numbered got it yeah okay so I I thought that was an interesting little tidbit right I mean sure in a very convoluted stupid story right

[02:38:31] yeah I'm trying I'm trying to pull interesting factoids like that's where we get the writing is on the wall okay and you can read the writing on the wall like okay when we say the writing

[02:38:42] is on the wall what we mean is you know it's very clear what's going to happen when you say you can read the writing on the wall you're saying we all know exactly what's going to happen

[02:38:54] right so okay yeah well it's interesting that to know some of the origins behind that same at the very least you need learn to get your word right yeah yeah yeah you know I'm a sucker for words

[02:39:06] all right well that was Daniel chapter five sure spoke was I have a in clean I have an idea that the next one is kind of a famous chapter but we're going to wait till next week to find out

[02:39:19] what that is yeah so that'll be a Monday but in between now and then so we got tomorrow we're going to be doing our Q&A Saturday right and then on Sunday we're going to be doing our patreon

[02:39:35] and then I will get the weekly wrap up together and then on Monday we'll be back with Daniel chapter six all right we'll see you then bye! husband wait almost forgot what to say do you know where we are

[02:39:51] what we're doing and what today is and all that stuff well it is still Saturday so that means that today we're getting into our Q&A Saturday on a Saturday that's right and what are we

[02:40:05] Q&A and A in today we are in the book of Dan I L Daniel yes and we're covering chapters one through five and I have a bunch of notes I bet this was this has been an odd set of chapters in the Bible

[02:40:23] and not very it doesn't it doesn't like go together real well well that in some of it is taking place during events that we already read and then some of it is taking place after yeah and it's very weird

[02:40:40] and a lot of it does not mesh up very well right it's not cohesive so I am interested in this Q&A okay I'm I think there's a lot we need to cover there's a lot we need to cover

[02:40:50] haha I'll try to talk fast and keep a raise but yeah well um I do want to apologize this didn't go out this morning but we are getting that out on the right day and uh so let's get into this

[02:41:00] okay don't keep it all right let us get into the book of Dan I L did the book of Daniel yes and first we're gonna just talk more about the book itself okay okay because I did not

[02:41:20] go over all of my notes for that and also there's stuff that it it's not a horrible thing if I repeat myself sure I mean you never know when someone's joined us and what they haven't heard and what they have

[02:41:32] heard but you know when we're talking about stuff that is ancient and we need to go over it like you said we it doesn't hurt to cover it a couple of times and well not only that but sometimes it makes better

[02:41:43] sense when it's in a little bit more context yes no I will thank you um let's talk again about uh the books author ship because we mentioned that more than once and I think we had some of our dates we

[02:41:54] questioned so um the book of Daniel was authored during the second century BCE likely around 167 to 163 BCE okay but it is set during the sixth century BCE so the 500's the negative 500's

[02:42:11] yeah so about 400 years difference yeah it's generally accepted that the book of Daniel originated as a collection of era-make quart tales which were later expanded by the Hebrew revelations and um let us

[02:42:25] not forget that uh I think it was chapter three was the one that Daniel wasn't in that correct it was two or three I can't remember exactly myself yeah so that one um was almost definitely by itself

[02:42:39] while these stories were circulating okay so some of the other ones might have like kind of been together or circulating at the same time sure um but that one was along okay yeah um the author or editor was

[02:42:51] probably an educated Jewish person knowledgeable in Greek learning and of high standing in his own community so we've said all that but now that we've read some it's like oh okay that makes some sense right

[02:43:03] um the prophet Daniel lived in the sixth century during this approximate period I'm gonna name some other things that were happening around the time that Daniel was supposed to have lived

[02:43:15] I have a question here is it like do scholars tend to agree that Daniel is a real in actual character or- character not a character okay that's kind of how it feels so I wouldn't attribute

[02:43:28] a lot of like actual things to this person based on what we've read because it does seem very fictional right like more so than some of the other characters yeah yeah he's um and a

[02:43:40] malgamation of several different legends and um his name was chosen because it means like of god or high high view by god or some shit like that so it's the generally we can just accept that this is a

[02:43:54] beyond the fiction of the Bible itself this specifically is actual fiction in the Bible but it's based on ideas that they wanted to portray correct now um if you were having this conversation

[02:44:08] with um a Christian right they would argue with you about it because they take this as actual things that happened and they would have to take it as actual things that happened because of some

[02:44:20] of the um a Christian takes on what happened in the Christian takes and the prophecies right so they're like no no no he's giving prophecies here some of we haven't got to all of them

[02:44:32] yeah okay yeah so i mean the book gets crazier as we go and Christians are like absolutely this happened absolutely this dude was real and absolutely he said these things I just don't even

[02:44:44] on the small amount of knowledge that we have on the Bible I don't see how you can read these chapters and come to that conclusion right like it doesn't make any sense to me how

[02:44:53] Christians are like this is real and this is this has happened in blah blah blah they're not reading the things that um we're reading and they're not like they're not getting the extra notes

[02:45:03] right and they're not getting the the whole story because they're not reading it straight through no i get it but somebody that put together their religion did right you know there there are people

[02:45:13] in their religion that have read these and do know these things sure and yet they still say that they're real but the people that do that are the ones that are in power why would they change the

[02:45:24] system much like centrist democrat no i i can't stand as cool as awesome i completely agree with what you with it with what you're saying it's just that i can't I can't see how and unless you're

[02:45:37] in this for an hilarious reasons and want to you know you have a a reason to share bad information it just doesn't make sense to me why someone would you know and i and i get there's money behind

[02:45:50] i think that you're coming at it of course from your atheist perspective that's true somebody who is coming at it already believing that this stuff happened as it as one book

[02:46:08] for tells another it has a self validating coin it yeah if you if you choose to look at what you know what you're looking if you only look at what you're looking for you're going to see

[02:46:21] what you're looking for what that and there's a place where okay i'm not even there yet but there's a place where in in the thing where Daniel and company his friends get locked in the furnace

[02:46:35] because they wouldn't bow to the statue right um there is a place in izea that talks about it's a prophecy um you will walk through the fire and not be burned oh and if you are a Christian

[02:46:49] how can you not be like whoa dude right but see that i the way i take that is i look at when this was written it was written in the the 200 BCE time frame 167 or whatever and i'm i'm looking at

[02:47:03] it and i'm saying to myself i'm saying oh so they knew about this prophecy they took these ideas and they made them work by taking this this fictional character and making it fit these gaps

[02:47:15] that they needed to fill okay but you're coming at it with me telling you this dude is a fictional character i get it these people don't know that right no i understand so they're like

[02:47:26] whoa this real person i zea prophecy that this real person Daniel would and his friends would go through these things and of course because fire is used both times and the situation is similar

[02:47:41] it must be that this is what i zea was talking about period the end it's it's so fulfilling no i and i get it i get it it just it it fills that whole cherry picking aspect of the Bible to me like

[02:47:56] that's exactly what i'm talking about when i say that the Christians cherry pick the Bible is that they make narratives fit what they want to see absolutely and that's why you can't argue with them

[02:48:06] because you're trying to tell them that the thing that they believe that they know as true because the proof is in the circular logic right you're trying to take that away from them without taking

[02:48:19] the circle away well and i would even argue that the new testament is largely cherry picking things from the old testament to make a new religion i haven't read it yet so i don't know for sure

[02:48:30] but i get the sense that you're not wrong okay so i was going over a list of things that were happening during the time that quote unquote the prophet Daniel was living over in Babylon okay

[02:48:43] okay so we're gonna pretend he's real in canon for all intents and purposes this is what was going on sure okay yeah so construction began on the acropolis and Athens okay the myensive listation was flourishing in Mexico okay a stop wrote his fables right um Confucius and Buddha

[02:49:05] lived during this time okay Greek art began to truly excel and the Greeks introduced the olive tree to Italy okay uh the Phoenicians made the first known sea journey around Africa so all of that was

[02:49:21] going on the world was like awakening to the realization that it was larger than they thought yeah no that's that's really interesting context because it's uh it puts in perspective a lot of the

[02:49:35] thing like when we're reading the Bible and we're in these stories it's very narrowly focused and it's hard to see what that other stuff is and it's neat to see what tells us how to

[02:49:44] when i when i fed that i got goosebumps not because any of that is particularly earth-shattering but because it it put the world together in context for me and that's the thing that was always

[02:49:59] missing for me in history classes in school and why I hated history I couldn't understand how it'll fit together right and it makes you understand I think if you're if you're Christian right

[02:50:11] and you're you're listening to us for some odd reason I don't you know hey and I encourage that actually but if you are a Christian and listening to this you know it takes you out of that bubble of everything

[02:50:21] is centered around Israel and Yahweh and this little bubble in the Middle East yeah that will take you out and says hey this is what history is happening right now when this is happening there's whole other civilization there's a whole fucking world out there yeah that's happening outside

[02:50:37] of what you're dealing with nothing to do with your little l right yeah yeah okay so that one's first attack on Jerusalem came in 605 BC each sure during the reign of the jadean king

[02:50:50] wakim who's name i always miss pronounced and he was placed on the throne of course by the Pharaoh of Egypt so he was a puppet king right yeah and we've gone over this material before

[02:51:02] in other chapters right but not in daily right sure so nebicadnezzar came against Jerusalem because the Pharaoh of Egypt invaded Babylon in response nebicadnezzar defeated the Egyptians at carcimesh and then pursued their fleeing army all the way down to the Sinai along the way or

[02:51:23] on the way back one or the other yeah he subdued Jerusalem which had been loyal to the Pharaoh of Egypt so we had been hearing about this from the other side you know from now we're learning about things

[02:51:37] from the Babylonian position and that makes a lot of sense that that's kind of what we came to the conclusion of as we were reading through but it wasn't it was definitely focused on it from a

[02:51:49] different perspective we were hearing very much the Babylonian side of it as opposed like no we were hearing that not the not the Babylonian side well we were hearing from Jeremiah and

[02:52:03] Sam or whoever but they know Jeremiah who was like a traitor okay yeah i see what you're saying yeah and so he was speaking to like let's bow to Babylon when right the other people around him

[02:52:16] we're still wanting to work with Egypt and then they were getting in trouble with quote unquote god right for working with Egypt so we saw that they were working with Egypt but the winds were

[02:52:26] blowing towards Babylon through that profit at the time right but they were in Jerusalem so we were seeing the war even though we were seeing it through the eyes of a Babylonian double agent right

[02:52:40] we were in Jerusalem yeah okay yeah so now we're in Babylon looking at it the other way so that's what i meant it's just different seeing the same events from different standing points so my swimming

[02:52:53] Daniel was hypothetically this fictional character was probably part of the first um accident he was okay yeah all right so much like a zikyo okay yeah this campaign of nebicanizer was interrupted suddenly when he heard of his father's death and ran back to Babylon to secure his succession

[02:53:09] to the throne so that's why nebicanizer dropped everything in and got off okay because you know times were rough back then if you weren't there to call dives on the phone or on the throne yeah

[02:53:23] somebody else gone taking it right so he had a runback home and you know secure that she yeah he traveled about 500 miles in two weeks which was remarkable speed for travel in that time

[02:53:36] he was booking it yeah okay in keeping with the usual practice among conquerors in ancient times the Babylonian king nebicanizer plunder the temple of the conquered people carried off its sacred objects and placed them in his own temple which we know right in this way nebicanizer demonstrated

[02:53:55] his belief that Babylonian gods were superior to the god of the jiuze so it wasn't just about looting it was also about destroying the god yeah showing the power that he had because every king

[02:54:10] believed himself to be the entire ruler of the whole world and therefore godlike sure so they could not have which is why i was calling bullshit on a lot of a stories in Daniel so

[02:54:21] for him because it just doesn't track in my mind no it doesn't it doesn't so this was a really low time for jiuda and for god's people in general it seemed that the god of Israel lost out to

[02:54:32] the gods of a Syria egypt and Babylon the book of Daniel shows god vindicating himself at a time when the conquest of Israel might have brought god's reputation into disgrace so the reason yeah

[02:54:45] the reason that i i wanted to read that particular sentence to get there was because we were talking about reasons why Daniel was written and we agreed that it was to reunite the people and

[02:54:59] excite them but it was also to show that god is not done right you know yeah and and to try to the rallying cry for god not just the people yeah they had they had to portray strength from their

[02:55:13] god in the moment when he was weakest somehow and this fictional character of Daniel fills that gap level which interesting is that by making it seem in their minds like god made them lose on purpose

[02:55:29] that did make them come together and that did be the the making a good reason for them getting beat and defeated gave them the impetus to come back together and to keep the story going so that

[02:55:46] we are still talking about it today right so that is pretty fucking amazing sure i'm not saying it's a good thing we're bad thing it's just amazing well and i think that if you talk like these are

[02:55:57] stories that they're they're really well written they are very feel good right like if you if you love your god that is yaw way right and somebody tells you these stories from Daniel if these are

[02:56:10] they're very feel good stories right and if you don't have the larger context if you don't study it in depth as to when this was written why it was written how it was written etc it doesn't

[02:56:21] really matter it's just that like rallying point for your god right like you don't need to know oh these were actually um error may exist these were fables right and all we did was change the name

[02:56:34] yeah of the dude right yeah so we've talked before about how this book can be divided into two parts and we're still in the first part right um which is a set of six quart tales and that is

[02:56:46] chapters one through six so on Monday we will finish up that first part yeah okay yeah with a bit of a roar from what i understand yeah um these were mostly written in aromac so just put that out there

[02:57:03] the second bit is for apocalyptic visions which are chapter seven through 12 and they're written mostly in Hebrew okay now the doodero canonical books contain three additional sections right which we have talked about and we're very excited to eventually read yeah which we I think we

[02:57:23] discussed doing them at the end of this book right possibly yes okay squeeze them on in there and pretend they're in our body yeah um it's the prayer of azoraya and song of the three holy children

[02:57:35] number two is Susanna and number three is bell and the dragon okay now this book as we've seen a little bit but it's gonna get worse this book is filled with monsters angels and numerology drawn from

[02:57:49] a wide range of sources it's gonna be so fun yeah yeah because we've already seen just the fact that these stories are based on aromac fables yeah we already know that these first ones are stories

[02:58:07] you know what I mean so we aren't when it says numerous sources it's like well we know one what i think the the the the the first six chapters are written an aromac and the last chapters are

[02:58:18] written in Hebrew right it kind of detracts from the whole continuity of the story too yes right when you're studying it when you're looking at it from an outside perspective from a scholarly

[02:58:29] yeah because why would that be the case right it's the case because these are these are this is a fiction that has been written and put together right exactly so it's it's obvious to me but

[02:58:41] same same we have to we have to pretend like this is like this part of final Christianity so and that's why i said you know for all intents and purposes within canon this is the way this story goes

[02:58:53] you know what i mean yeah like i'm not trying to present this as this is what happened right no and i feel like if i was to sit down with someone who was a biblical scholar or someone

[02:59:04] who is Christian who had read these bits i'd have to be like can we just agree that these are fables these are stories right because that's even in the next verse and if we're having a discussion

[02:59:14] about you know the Bible and Christianity in general i i want you to be able to defend your faith on reasonable assumptions about things right and you have to reasonably assume based on the information that we do have about this book that there's something kind of

[02:59:30] fucked up about it i i get the sense and i'm talking completely out of my ass here i get the sense that um jewish readers of the old testament would probably agree with you right but Christians are

[02:59:45] the problem because it's become a very important aspect in there they're new testament yeah so yeah i get it so really it just depends who you're talking to right but let's get into the chapters

[02:59:56] sure sorry i know i've been talking a lot that's fine i mean you asking questions and adding your opinions is what these are all about so in chapter one i called that intro to Daniel and co

[03:00:10] who won't eat okay yeah okay so chapter one i think we said at the time and now we know for sure was apparently added as an introduction to the tales when they were collected around the end

[03:00:22] of the third century bc yeah it was very ill placed yeah it was not it was just like oh okay yeah there they are yeah chapter one is just like it's an intro right okay yeah um the education

[03:00:33] of Daniel and his friends um we're gonna talk about that a little bit okay this chapter tells how Daniel and his three companions were among captives taken by nebicaneseer from Jerusalem to

[03:00:44] Babylon to be trained in Babylonian wisdom right okay so we do know that um and and we do know that this chapter was clearly added on later right okay nebicaneseer demonstrated that he was a

[03:00:58] wise administrator and a shrewd tactician and i hadn't thought of this perspective taking these young man men as hostages reminded the people back at Jerusalem that they should not revolt against the recently imposed Babylonian rule because they have hostages essential yeah they're like

[03:01:18] we have your's brightest kids right your best and brightest are up here with us yeah so you'll probably want to fucking relax sure and i just i haven't thought of it from that perspective well

[03:01:28] not only that but once you have the best and brightest if you can bring them to your side right you have some you have some manipulation tactics that you can implement and that's the part

[03:01:37] that we were introduced to was the indoctrination that they were receiving sure and so we saw the whole conversion process part but i hadn't thought of it that it wasn't the only reason that

[03:01:50] they're also hostages yes yes so i don't i i like finding different reasons and different thought processes i just think it's really cool so you know they were each renamed right Daniel's name originally meant god is my judge his name was changed to belchazar which is

[03:02:10] belz prints okay um Hannah Nio was originally beloved by the lord and his name was changed to shadrack which means a lumened by sun god okay Michelle meant who is as god was changed to

[03:02:28] mishash who is like shash a bobbologian goddess corresponding to ishtar or venus so these names are all based on like babbologian gods which is very interesting because it's almost like setting up this fight between babbologian gods and in yaw ways essentially right that's kind of cool imagery

[03:02:49] and i applaud them for using that i guess that that's that's actually pretty cool it's a neat and easy symbolism right yeah and then the last guy as a raya his name meant the lord is my help

[03:03:02] and it was changed to a bednego which means servant of nego who over the hell that guy is which is gotta be something to do with babbologian gods right i mean i'm sure i would imagine

[03:03:13] so okay so these guys were told um hey you got to come up here and eat now what we didn't realize or overlooked i don't remember if it was actually in print or not right these guys weren't

[03:03:27] just given food they were given the same food that the king was eating so they were getting all the choices um meat and bread and everything like they were given high class food okay and that

[03:03:42] was to help um ease the transition and make them softer and make them more pliable to the indoctrination part of the manipulation process yeah yes so in not eating the food offered by the king

[03:03:56] um this signal this this was a big deal right and something else that was pointed out by one of the apologists significantly the root of singles back to eating for bit in food

[03:04:09] and these guys were like i'm not gonna eat the forbidden food okay so i just i was like okay i got to say that yeah sure so because this book christians pointed this as these boys were so

[03:04:23] perfect in the way they're supposed to behave right we should all use them as our role model sure you know always um stand firm against temptation as opposed to what eve that horrible bitch there

[03:04:36] right so the purpose of the food names and education was not just an effort at total indoctrination it was also a method to tempt them into actively letting go of their old ways and actively embracing

[03:04:49] the ways of that Babylon right okay then on his friends considered the king's food defiled for at least three reasons and we wondered like what the fuck's a big deal just fucking eat it i don't

[03:04:59] understand right well here's why they were like actually but no right um first of all probably wasn't kosher and it was probably sacrifice to idols so okay it was not spiritually clean food sure also eating the king's food implied fellowship with Babylon's cultural system

[03:05:22] which you know was a heathen king and his idols right because back then like food and meals it very intertwined yeah well it meant um community right so they were like no offense but i deny

[03:05:36] your offer of friendship and community so it was a polite snub so um what the did though instead of saying no thanks bitch and go on a hunger strike um what they did was they talked to their guard

[03:05:48] and was like hey i'm not trying to get you in trouble or anything because guards like dude just eat your shell i get fired over you and then dudes were like okay but we just actually only want to

[03:05:58] vegetables and the nuts and greens and shit if you could do that and guard was like absolutely not then we're like please and he was like you're gonna starve and be gone and skinny and then my answer

[03:06:09] is getting fired so fuck you know and they were like okay okay just give us a week to eat this to show you know me so do it yeah and so that's what happened okay and the vegetables um was

[03:06:21] what they said in the story but it actually refer to all kinds of greens and plants not strictly vegetables okay and basically what they were requesting was a vegetarian diet and you know that makes

[03:06:33] sense um Daniel had a long successful career in the worst of circumstances and was still a person of importance even after the Babylonian Empire had fallen in this fictional taste. In this fictional taste yes sorry all right so that's the end of chapter one like I said

[03:06:51] all I got to say about chapter one that it's some notes that I thought were interesting okay so let's go on to chapter two the king statue dream yeah this was interesting hmm hmm

[03:07:02] chapter two is the first mention of the child hands as a class of suit sairs to the king okay um I had to look up the child hands and I'm glad I did because I had a misunderstanding of them okay

[03:07:15] my understanding was that they were a tribe of smarty smarty astrology astronomers who got swallowed up by the Babylonian. That was kind of my understanding as well and it's exactly the opposite

[03:07:29] of that so I'm gonna read what I learned about them okay um which fascinating for no reason other than fascinating sure okay they were a semitic speaking people who lived in southern Babylonia which is modern day southern i-rack they were originally a nomadic tribe who migrated into southern

[03:07:50] Mesopotamia around the tenth or ninth century BCE okay they eventually established themselves as a powerful force in the region the child hands gained prominence when they established the neo Babylonian empire so they established Babylon okay ruling Babylonia from around

[03:08:10] 626 BCE to 539 interesting yeah it's interesting so it's almost like they were fighting over what they would be referred to as whether it be child hands or Babylonians yeah well not so much

[03:08:26] because they were nomadic they were like where the child hands we sleep in tents and travel a lot and then they were like this land is great i don't give a fuck that there's already people here let's

[03:08:36] settle right i don't want to sleep in tents anymore over it and so then like the people that already lived there were like okay we're Babylonian and they were like that's what you think

[03:08:45] and the Babylonians were like well i mean but we are though yeah and the child hands were like whatever you can call yourselves that and since there were more of the Babylonians they just were

[03:08:55] like well i mean you guys are kind of cool but we're still Babylonian so it's like the compromise was will let you be in charge of us and live here but we're still fucking calling ourselves Babylonians

[03:09:06] and the child hands were like sweet that's an easy deal fine we're all fucking Babylonians right okay yeah so the child hands made significant contributions to astronomy mathematics and law

[03:09:18] and i was like tell me moa right what do you mean yeah okay so um it's important to note that the term child dayin is sometimes used interchangeably with Babylonian which you know was what i

[03:09:31] was just talking about especially in the context of the Bible however while all child dayins were Babylonians not all Babylonians were child hands interesting so that's how you know okay the child dayins were Babylonians specifically a powerful group who eventually ruled the region

[03:09:50] it's more accurate to say that the child dayins rose to power in Babylonia and established the neo Babylonian empire they were a dynamic and ambitious people who managed to overtake the existing Babylonian ruling class okay because they were smart right right they made remarkable

[03:10:09] advancements in astronomy and mathematics laying the foundation for much of our modern understanding of astronomy okay yeah they were okay with regard to astronomy they were meticulous observers of the celestial bodies recording their movements and positions with great accuracy like

[03:10:28] very good accuracy using their detailed observations they developed sophisticated methods to predict eclipses the movements of planets and other astronomical phenomena so they were fucking smart yeah they divided the day into 24 hours the hour into 60 minutes and the minute

[03:10:49] into 60 seconds oh shit a system we still use today wow that's cool actually i'm like okay child dayins yeah yeah i would rule live under your rule you know your smart and good yeah i just something

[03:11:03] because i was kind of curious while we're sitting here talking about it but i think part of the reason that we have them intermixed in the Bible is because the one of the first famous

[03:11:12] child days to rule Babylon was never considered the second so like it's just part of kind of the story that were we're learning about you right and i didn't even realize that right wow i thought

[03:11:24] that was interesting so that that's probably why there's this confusion they were coming to power at the same time they were like they were part of this community that is Babylon but this

[03:11:33] group of child days is coming to power right so like that's where the confusion probably settled in a little bit with it's like who is who yes right yeah yeah exact all right so they divided

[03:11:45] the sky and stick constellations forming the basic for the zodiac today cool they developed a base 60 number system which influenced our modern system of measuring angles time and geographic coordinates you know i feel a little bit jealous right now because we're spending all this time talking

[03:12:04] about god yaway in the this relates but i'd really like to talk about the child dayins yeah that's why i was like i'm gonna take a minute right yeah so that's what we're doing here for this little section yeah

[03:12:16] no there's so much cooler they're so cool right like we're supposed to be talking about chapter two and i'm like i'll get there i need to talk about the child dance they're so fucking smart right um their mathematicians made significant progress in arithmetic and geometry essential for their

[03:12:32] astronomical calculations and architectural endeavors okay when the child dance admitted that they could neither reveal nor interpret the king's dream of furious nubbicanizer senestol his wise man to death yeah i do remember they were going to have them into pieces he yeah that's what it was

[03:12:50] gonna do he gave a command to destroy all the wise men so all the wise men were child ants right right and but Daniel wasn't called as one of them well that's he so he was gonna be murdered with

[03:13:02] them like that was part of the murder like god went to go into the court like like nebicon as her goes um hey all you wise men get up in here and tell me a what did i dream again now

[03:13:14] and what the fuck did it mean and they all came running because as you do when your king calls you run for sure except Daniel didn't right and so then he's like

[03:13:23] fuck all of you you're all dead and so then he like sent his guards out and you know the guard found Daniel was like oh okay you're supposed to be dead though so that wasn't cool now i found this

[03:13:36] little tidbit interesting okay as a new king nebicon desert perhaps use the situation to test the suitability of his father's old advisors the dream provided him with a good reason to clean house

[03:13:52] uh which i was like damn okay that that that makes that is political intrigue that i am here for now that that's we're assuming that this actually happened right but it's hard to like this is

[03:14:05] part of a story that was written 400 years later and maybe something like that happened but maybe it didn't also really not the same way here's the thing it's really hard to separate the two yeah

[03:14:16] because some of the shit actually did happen some of these people actually did exist nebicon desert so it's kind of like when we talk about um solomon yeah do you remember solomon like

[03:14:30] we had all these stories in the song of solomon it's like you're giving all of these stories to a person who actually existed and some of the stories might have a kernel of truth in them right

[03:14:42] and that's what's happening here sure and i think it was important for them to write a kernel of truth because part of this whole endeavor to write Daniel by these people that were writing this

[03:14:52] 400 years later or bringing these together for one of yours later whatever the case was it was to to instill some sense of pride in the um Israeli community and the Hebrew community you know

[03:15:03] like that's what their whole point of this was it feels like right so they had to have some believable parts yeah in order for the people to be like yeah that tracks with what i know

[03:15:14] it happened 400 years ago or whatever i mean that's how you do propaganda right yeah yeah yeah the best lie has the the yeah definitely so with regard to the interpretation of the dream okay yeah the childaian empire represented by the head of gold the metopurgin

[03:15:36] then the Macedonian or Greeceian and then the Roman okay from top to bottom sure okay the Roman which should break every other kingdom into pieces but which in its last stage should be divided into 10 kingdoms represented or represented by the 10 toes of the image okay

[03:15:54] so here's the problem with that um that didn't happen right so the Babylonian Empire stood for 66 years the metopurgin empire and by metopurgin pronouncing that incorrectly it's the meads okay the Persians and the meads combined okay so the metopurgin empire stood for 200 and

[03:16:15] eight years the Greeceian Empire stood for 185 years the Roman Empire stood for more than 500 years liberal commentators do not believe that the fourth kingdom is Rome they say it's Greece because they separate the meads and the Persians so they would say the top the head is the childaians

[03:16:39] the next one is the meads the next one is the Persians and the next one instead of being a Macedonia or Greek it would just be Rome okay okay so they're like no is Rome

[03:16:51] uh not Rome it's Greece okay and that the second and the third kingdoms are media and Persia respectively instead of the metopurgin empire as a whole so I got those all mixed up but what the

[03:17:03] fuck up sure the point is um we interpreted one way and Christians interpreted another way and either way it didn't happen so it really doesn't fucking matter okay um they interpreted this way because they believe it was impossible liberals like me and you um interpreted this way

[03:17:24] because they believe it was impossible for Daniel to predict the rise of these empires right which it was impossible for him to predict the rise of these empires doesn't even exist

[03:17:35] right yeah exactly exactly right so whatever dude all right so i'm gonna read a verse it's um chapter two verse 44 okay in the time of those kings the god of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never

[03:17:49] be destroyed nor will it be left to another people it will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end but it itself will endure forever okay okay now given that Roman history

[03:18:03] provides no fulfillment of this Federation of kings yeah this prophecy must still be in the future got it okay yeah since the fall of the Roman Empire there is never been a world dominating

[03:18:14] empire equal to Rome Christians believe that the Roman Empire and some form or another will be revived under the leadership of the final fallen dictator the anti-Christ which is why the United States

[03:18:27] kids kind of thrown into this mix a lot right right here yeah this is the reason okay okay which because we we often get this attributed to our rise and power of our place in this we are clearly

[03:18:40] the force that is combining the world into one we are that horrible nation we're not Roman but we also do get compared to the Roman Empire yeah quite often usually in a negative light

[03:18:54] right and for good reason yeah yeah and um i would say i don't believe in any of this but if anybody's the fucking anti-Christ is definitely Trump i mean look the way the way the way

[03:19:09] the way i view this is that in in modern history and in in in the now in the right here and now right this plays very well into the hands of people who are the apocalyptic people in Christianity

[03:19:26] right like they they they love they love the doom and gloom they love the end of times they love the fact that you know the the figure heads in our politicians can be related to biblical things

[03:19:38] and so they love to compare and contrast these two things that they have learned about the Bible right and it just makes it that much more relevant to people today and that much more scary so like

[03:19:49] when you can scare people into believing that these things in the Bible were written about today's politicians in our country and specifically you are able to that much more effectively scare your parishioners exactly and that's why we hear that a lot i feel yep

[03:20:08] you are not wrong all right chapter three is the furnace yes okay there is an obvious link between nebicanessor's dream in Daniel chapter two and the giant structure he made in chapter three

[03:20:21] okay it seems that nebicanessor deliberately made an entire statue of gold as if to say that the day of his reign and authority would never end so um in the dream the only the head was of gold

[03:20:34] right and god was like that's because you don't get it you're strong and good and pretty but you're not lasting forever baby yeah he's like I'll show you i'll make a whole fucking statue of gold

[03:20:44] yeah exactly okay um contrary to god's declared plan as revealed in history yeah okay sure within nebicanessor's kingdom were people of many races languages and religions in a plan to create greater unity among these people nebicanessor made a huge image as a national religious symbol

[03:21:04] and demanded that all citizens great and small about before it he set up the image in open plane country where it could be seen from afar so that's why it was so big right um he wanted

[03:21:14] it to be seen by all his people sure okay the image was more like a stylized obelisk rather than a normal statue being 90 feet high and 90 wide totally a phallic right being so large it was

[03:21:30] likely not made a solid gold but probably would overlayed with gold which was a common method of construction at that time and i think i even said that while we were reading it and i'm just

[03:21:41] gonna point this out one more time here we are talking about something that people wrote about 400 years after the fact we don't actually know probably that this thing actually existed right other than the account in Daniel right exactly so it's not this is that's not necessarily true they

[03:21:58] have found some large giant structures that they possibly could be that statue because it's like made of i want to say like petrified wood or some shit clearly i wouldn't have the gold covering on it anymore but there there have been things found that i'm like

[03:22:21] maybe this is it so i don't know do what that would you will um so nebic can as are called all the officials right so i'm gonna read a verse chapter three verse two he then summoned the satraps

[03:22:36] prefects governors advisors treasurers judges magistrates and all the other provincial officials to come to the dedication of the image he had set up and i remember when we were reading that

[03:22:46] we were like the book is a satrapp whatever i guess it's an official of some sort got it because all the other guys were officials right right so a satrapp was a governor of a province in the ancient

[03:22:57] Persian and median empires and in some of their successor empires the term satrapp is a Greek transliteration of an old iraimean word which means protector of the kingdom or keeper of the providence

[03:23:12] it refers to a specific category of public officials okay so yeah i would we were right it is an official but it just was another um another word for it and borrowed from you know the language

[03:23:29] that came before it right i gotcha i'm gonna read another verse here before you do that real quick i did want to point out i did do a quick search about the the statue from nebic an aser

[03:23:40] and there's not any historical account of it outside of the bible um it's not said it there couldn't have been something similar but there is no historical record written down anywhere else

[03:23:52] right about it and it is often thought that it was just uses a symbolic or literary device so that makes sense but that that's just quick search just curious because i guess i was curious it was

[03:24:04] i will get into some stuff that we actually have found that is in museums today okay that is not that right so sure um which i i always find interesting when people and things do

[03:24:15] exist yeah so that's neat yeah okay so chapter three verse five reads as soon as you hear the sound of the horn flu zither liar heart pipe and all kinds of music you must fall down and

[03:24:27] worship the image of gold that king nebicadneza has set up right okay so the use of the aromantic words for liar, solterie and symphony which um those words are not in our translation

[03:24:40] liar is but solterie and symphony are not okay um but in the earlier book they actually are those words okay so they suggest that the book of Daniel was written hundreds of years after the time of Daniel as these particular words are borrowed from Greek words and Daniel

[03:24:57] did normally have these words that is disposal in the 6th century BCE and they did not come into the Hebrew vocabulary until the 3rd century BCE so this is part of our ability to place

[03:25:09] the the count how a thing is written part of it used later at a later date um that's interesting okay because when they when they know a thing that they shouldn't know right that doesn't mean

[03:25:20] that they're um brilliant and it means that they're post-dating yeah that dating right yeah all right so let's read a couple more verses here chapter three verses 23 and 24 and these three men finally tied fell into the blazing furnace then king nebicadneza leap to his feet in amazement

[03:25:40] and asked his advisors hey were there three men that we tied up and threw into the fire they were applied certainly certainly your majesty can be saw four right so the septoagent and that's the Greek translation right says in Daniel chapter three verse 24 that nebicadneza's attention

[03:25:58] was caught when he heard the men singing praises within the furnace so he heard them singing wow yeah so i just thought that was an interesting tidbit and answer any questions but you know neither did

[03:26:12] the tidbit about the child hands sure just like to insert interesting things when I find them yeah okay and here we're gonna get into the the thing that I read or that I discussed about

[03:26:23] the fire from the fire being mentioned in izea yeah okay so izea chapter 43 verses one and two but now this is what the Lord says he who created you Jacob he who formed you Israel do not fear

[03:26:38] for i have redeemed you i have summoned you by name you are mine when you pass through the waters i will be with you and when you pass through the rivers they will not sweep over you

[03:26:49] when you walk through the fire you will not be burned the flames will not set you ablaze for i am the Lord your god the holy one of Israel your savior okay so that is supposed to

[03:27:02] be foretelling like oh my god and then again chewing Daniel what and i'm waiting through about the water part right so anyway whatever that concludes chapter three let's move into chapter four

[03:27:15] sure yeah so that one is the king's madness okay so chapter four verse five reads i had a dream that made me afraid as i was lying in bed the images and visions that passed through my mind terrified

[03:27:29] me there is a note that this is not the same dream as from Daniel chapter two right remember we had a question about and we were like this but he didn't tell him oh wait no it's a different dream

[03:27:41] for sure it's not the same dream okay yeah so okay verse eight reads finally Daniel came into my presence and i told him the dream he is called bell tages are after the name of my god

[03:27:54] and the spirit of the holy gods is in him i'm i'm gonna just stop here for just a moment because the fact that it is not the same dream uh kind of calls into question the validity of a lot of

[03:28:05] stories because we're we're talking about multiple accounts of things where nebuchadnezzar literally like starts same that this god yaway is the most powerful the most right the most correct god a plan that right he keeps getting like taught right god is great god is good how many times

[03:28:23] does it take him to learn the same fucking thing over and over yet i do have an answer to that okay i'm not there yet though is he is he hardening nebuchadnezzar's hard to like ferro or no no it's not

[03:28:34] that okay i will get to it okay so before Daniel interpreted nebuchadnezzar's dream the king could've said the Babylonian deity bell his god sure okay by referring to his god when he

[03:28:47] named dude and by saying you know um he is called bell lages are after the name of my god and the spirit of the holy gods is in him so by referring to his god he is indicating that what

[03:29:00] he saw previously with Daniel and the three Hebrew young men it was enough to impress him but not enough to convert him so he's like i recognize that your god is great he is a great god indeed

[03:29:14] and i do celebrate him and i do recognize that you guys get a free pass and no way is going to fuck with you because i recognize your god he's not my god though i call bullshit here though a

[03:29:29] little bit like it doesn't feel like this is like a congruent tale like this is not like coming together for no it's not but i think that that is a fair argument i will accept that as an explanation

[03:29:41] within the confines of this whole bullshit story all right like it that tracks you know what i mean because you can you can see like it's like criticizing a company that you don't work for right

[03:29:55] or singing the praises of your companies uh archnosis like if i work for coke right and i'm like well i work for coke and this is the best but i do recognize that pepsy makes some decent products

[03:30:08] i really like their cherry pepsy drink sure right you recognize that they're contributing some great stuff you still work for coke though right so that that's the analogy that i made in

[03:30:19] my mind okay he's not converted he's not like your drink is so fucking great i'm gonna quit my job at coke and i'm gonna go move over to work for pepsy all right okay so i don't know it it

[03:30:31] felt okay to me sure okay so remember how the king goes totally nuts and things is an animal yeah okay that's an actual thing that can happen right yeah i had to look this shit up

[03:30:43] okay so so and so anthropie is a monomania in which a person believes himself changed into an animal and acts like one now um that is now called clinical like can like can't through pee

[03:31:01] okay you know where what comes from the shirt where he is a rare psychiatric syndrome that involves a delusion that the effective person can transform into has transformed into or is a non-human

[03:31:15] animal okay it's name is associated with the mythical condition of like can't through pee a supernatural of friction in which humans are said to physically shape shift into wear gloves okay so that's where

[03:31:27] the term like and throat comes from is this element where people believe that they are animals right okay the term is used by researchers mostly in the broader sense of transformation into animals in general that strictly speaking is described by terms um therianthropy or zohanthropy

[03:31:48] god okay yeah so but then there's the specific thing that he thought he was um a psychological disorder in which the human believes themselves to be a bovine which is bo and therapy interesting right

[03:32:01] the fact that there are words for these things is also interesting and more over would you like some modern day examples sure I did all right so now i'm going to read a couple of news reports okay

[03:32:17] because fuck me this is interesting okay on august 15th 2016 so 2016 Martin County Florida Sheriff's Office deputies found a 19 year old male on top of a bloodied 59 year old male knowing on his face eating pieces of flesh and making growling sounds oh shit

[03:32:41] officers tased repeatedly kicked and ultimately required a police dogs assistance in subduing the 19 year old damn inside the garage of the home on southeast cokamo lane just north of the home beach county line deputies found a 53 year old woman beaten bloodied and unresponsive

[03:33:01] ultimately both the 59 year old man and the 53 year old woman would die from their injuries this dude was eating them live right in the weeks ahead of this incident the 19 year old had told family

[03:33:14] members he believed he was either half man half horse or half man half dog um clinical psychologist doctor Philip Resnick later assessed the 19 year old as having clinical like can't therapy this was

[03:33:28] 2016 wow yeah all right here's another one right a 20 year old man was admitted to a mental hospital due to his increasingly agitated and erratic behaviors during his initial evaluation he was guarded and preoccupied he had no previous psychiatric history over the next few days he displayed

[03:33:48] increasingly psychotic animal like behaviors these behaviors included howling loudly running abruptly and walking on all fours which is known as quadrobat quadrobex and true quadrobex he appeared to be internally stimulated when asked about these behaviors

[03:34:08] he was initially evasive but eventually admitted that he believed he was aware of and would periodically transform into a wolf he started believing this after having visions of the devil years before and reported hearing random voices the patient was started on zip rassidon and his symptoms

[03:34:28] gradually responded and his animal like behaviors eventually ceased altogether all right one more and then were done okay a 25 year old man was sent for treatment during a period of excessive handwashing

[03:34:43] irritable behavior decreased sleep and act in like a buffalo as you do the patient I mean okay you're laughing at a medical condition no I'm actually laughing because it reminded me of

[03:34:57] media man on a buffalo yes what has to link that right so there's this whole series sorry I have to go into this for just a second there's a whole series of two stupid

[03:35:09] videos on YouTube and if you look up man on a buffalo there's like a whole series of them and you can you can write me a hate mail letter later but it you'll watch them all I promise

[03:35:21] yes and you'll get that earworm stuck in your head for the rest of your life right on a buffalo right all right so this dude thought he was not a man on a buffalo but an actual

[03:35:32] got it okay the patient reported that he had engaged in sexual activity with his buffalo and believed that buffalo cells had entered his body and were transforming him into a buffalo oh my gosh he began obsessively washing his hands and genitals in order to avoid the transition

[03:35:52] he saw himself as having buffalo body parts and became preoccupied with it about his appearance okay he then began to act as a buffalo by nodding his head walking on all fours and seeking out

[03:36:04] hey and grass to eat wow I mean he was all in he really thought he was a fucking buffalo right he was ultimately diagnosed with obsessive compulsive disorder and body dismoorfect disorder with delusional beliefs he was treated with flu ex-sitin and respiratory don't and after six months

[03:36:24] firm for macotherapy and macotherapy his body dismoorfect and hand washing were both reduced got it doesn't say it went away just that it was reduced sure so this madness that he had

[03:36:42] it's actually a thing that exists right so there might be a ring of truth to that because also during the time that this story says that this is supposed to have happened yeah there is no record

[03:36:55] anywhere of this seven year time period that he was supposed to have undergone this madness interesting yeah okay so kind of like I get the christie has like a missing year that like

[03:37:09] everything's like what up and during that year where were you as your has a missing seven years yes and speaking of which it was seven years interesting yeah but again we're ready about this 400 years later sure sure sure that probably started becoming lore of some type

[03:37:25] or and it could have been based on some sort of fact or event but you know let's think this out though dude starts acting like an animal right um he was like maybe there was some guy not

[03:37:40] Daniel but maybe some guy that they you know liked a lot and kind of put some character value on him and like wrote him as Daniel some time sure right and let's see that this guy's like

[03:37:53] how can we make it to where this king is not um crazy right or like the craziness has a reason sure for him walking on all fours and eating grass right so maybe it started during that time

[03:38:10] like they wrote down like god me this happened and then like later 400 years later they like further embellished yeah okay so I just I don't know I thought it was so cool this the shit actually

[03:38:24] is a mental condition right chapter five this is the handwriting on the wall when we come to Daniel chapter five nebicadnesser is no longer the king of Babylon right block yeah nebicadnesser died after a 43 year reign okay so how did it go from him

[03:38:42] to uh bilsha's are like the fuck right all right here's a little quick list of who it all went through his son of a valmerodok described in second kings chapter 25 and Jeremiah chapter 52 this dude

[03:38:59] ruled for only two years when he was assassinated by his brother-in-law naryglissar because his rule was arbitrary and licentious so naryglissar who had just you know killed his brother like me he has mentioned in Jeremiah chapter 39 he ruled for four years until he died a natural death

[03:39:20] okay and his son labora surshad only a child and of diminished mental capacity maybe he was mentally impaired much like his grandfather sure right maybe it ran in the fucking family as mental illnesses often do okay so this weirdo kid he ruled for only nine months

[03:39:44] when he was beaten to death by a gang of conspirators holy shit right yeah the conspirators appointed nebicadness one of their gang to be a lot of fucking people to go through that's how jr uh what's his name what's dude's name Daniel that's how Daniel was still alive

[03:40:01] got it cuz he came to like boom boom one after the other yeah okay so the conspirators appointed nebicadness one of their gang to be king he ruled until Cyrus the Persian conquered Babylon

[03:40:13] okay during the last part of his reign however nebicadness lived in Arabia and he lived left the conduct of the kingdom of Babylon to his oldest son belchazar okay okay okay then nebicadness cylinder these are things that actually exist was discovered in 1854 and is now displayed in the

[03:40:35] British Museum in London yeah very cool highly recommend y'all check it out um it tells some interesting things and just i love historical artifacts okay according to Babylonian records belchazar became co-region in the third year of nebicadness's reign in 553 BCE okay and this is actual things

[03:40:58] that happened right yeah he continued in that capacity till the fall of Babylon in 539 BCE okay it is most likely that at that time of Daniel chapter five nebicadness had gone out to fight the

[03:41:12] meadow Persian army and had been already captured those armies now surrounded Babylon and we're looking for a way into the strongly defended city okay belchazar was not afraid of the siege surrounding the city he was confident because of Babylon's impressive defenses okay remember this was

[03:41:32] in this last chapter we read their party and it up right yeah so he was confident because of Babylon's impressive defenses a system of inner and outer walls and motes that made the city

[03:41:43] very secure and he had vast supplies so he's like whatever we're good he was safe inside his palace party in it up while a hostile army surrounded the city okay so chapter five verse seven

[03:41:54] reads that king summoned the enchangers astrologers and divine diviners then he said to those wise men of Babylon whoever reads this writing and tells me what it means will be cloaked in purple

[03:42:04] and have a gold chain placed around his neck and he will be made the third highest ruler in the kingdom remember we were like third that's random the fuck really was second because they were

[03:42:14] for him to the second in charge but this other king is over there's an iridia yep yep that's exactly what belchazar offered the interpreter of the during the third place in the kingdom

[03:42:24] because the real king was nabadine net nabadnitis that's the one and a sudden belchazar ruled as the second in the kingdom belchazar couldn't give away the second place in the kingdom

[03:42:35] because he was the second so the best he had to offer was their place and now we're like oh that makes sense okay in october of five thirty nine bc e the Persian king Cyrus advanced into lower

[03:42:47] Mesopotamia and leaving Babylon to last conquered and occupied the surrounding territory seeing which way the win was blowing nabadnitis of Babylon was like a mouthpiece bb he deserted his city leaving it in the charge of his son belchazar which that's what we talked about

[03:43:05] so he's yeah these do's are coming I have meeting in Arabia I have to go yeah okay Cyrus conquered Babylon by diverting the flow of the you were you frayties into a nearby swan remember hearing about that from a previous book that we were yeah yeah

[03:43:19] might have been kings or whatever one of them yeah one of them I don't know which one either but yeah we did read about this yeah this lowered the level of the river so his troops marched

[03:43:28] through the water and under the river gates the bronze gates of the inner walls had been left inexplicably unlocked and everybody gasp and says god did it sure the taking of Babylon was as

[03:43:42] bloodless an effortless as a Daniel chapter five implies okay yeah questions believe this was exactly what God predicted in Isaiah chapter forty five and Jeremiah chapter fifty one that this even

[03:43:56] was put in writing two hundred years before it happened so let's read what it says and be like okay okay so Isaiah chapter forty five versus one two three and four okay yep this is what the Lord says

[03:44:08] to his anointed to Cyrus who's right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut I will go before

[03:44:21] you and we'll level the mountains I will break down gates of bronze and cut through bars of iron I will give you hidden treasures riches stored in secret places so that you may know

[03:44:32] that I am the Lord the God of Israel who summons you by name for the sake of Jacob my servant of Israel my chosen I summon you by name and bestow on you a title of honor though you do not acknowledge

[03:44:44] me again I'm reaching reaching right and in the fact that this was written so much later you know there I feel like more and more as we get further into the Bible and further into time

[03:44:57] with regard to the religions of you know Judaism and and then following that Christianity that we're taking these instances to where we're writing things to make things happen right let me make them sound like they're coming true like where exactly did we stop having

[03:45:19] things happen and we're exactly did we start filling back back filling right you know and that that's the that's ultimately the question right is how much this is just making this work for you

[03:45:30] right yeah so there's no way I could ever believe any of this but let's read what happened in Jeremiah chapter 51 okay verses 56 57 and 58 a destroyer will come against Babylon her warriors will be captured and their bows will be broken for the Lord is a God of Retribution

[03:45:48] he will repay and fool I will make her officials and wise men drunk her governors officers and warriors as well they will sleep forever and not awaken to clears the king whose name is the Lord Almighty

[03:46:03] this is what the Lord Almighty says Babylon's thick wall will be levelled and her high gates set on fire the people's exhaust themselves for nothing the nation's labor is only fuel for the flames

[03:46:17] got it yeah well and again if I recall correctly some of the things in Isaiah and Jeremiah might have been written later as well right it's not so like there's there's questions about a lot

[03:46:30] of that too and not only that but it feels again I'm just gonna say one more time that we feel it feels very much like they're filling space to make these things more plausible

[03:46:45] and more realistic right like that's what this fiction is ultimately about is making this more real finding old prophecies stapling it together and then writing them having come true right yeah that that's what the Bible is to me yeah yeah that's how it feels so

[03:47:05] do we have anything else to cover today with regard to the Q&A that is fucking it well that is a long episode we're over an hour just in the regular so so sorry but it just stuck around to the whole thing

[03:47:19] thank you I'm so interested in all of it I wasn't too much it was it was very good information I appreciate it all the I appreciate it all it was good to learn those things and I I think it

[03:47:32] helps kind of fill in a lot of the gaps and makes it a little bit more clear as to what's going on so yeah that was that was a good episode I felt like I feel like I think I hope well

[03:47:42] I hope everybody likes it and poop on the ones that don't just kidding I don't poop on anybody no no no I might poop on Trump I mean I'm just saying you know if I I had to choose somebody to poop on

[03:47:54] I don't want him I'm supposed to my ass it's a good point I would throw poop at him though I would throw poop out maybe you know I would have a bag over my hands and then I would pick up

[03:48:03] like I'm just imagining that like a carnival with his head through one of those things where you I'm for it anyway anyway all right so that was our Q&A for this Saturday Q&A

[03:48:19] Saturday and we will be back tomorrow with Patreon and then I will get the weekly wrap up together and out and then we'll be back on Monday with Danielle chapter six Daniel chapter six we'll see

[03:48:35] it then bye husband wife guess what we're doing today well it is still Sunday so we're going to be getting out today are Patreon that's right and what are we going over today in our Patreon episode

[03:48:51] we are gonna hit project 2025 oh okay because that's the thing to hit these days with all that bullshit that's in the thing it is a doozy from what I understand there's a lot to

[03:49:01] understand about it I bet that sounds pretty nefarious from what I do know I spent all day there's a lot I can attest this wife did spend all day researching this

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[03:50:02] hopes is to every two weeks. Right. Sometimes shit there's false to the correct we do our best. We do our best. So that being said are you ready to talk about project 2025? I mean do I feel

[03:50:14] super prepared? No but am I ready? Yes. All right that being said let's do this. Okay don't be all right let's get into this what the fuck is project 2025? A bunch of assholes being

[03:50:34] assholes. Basically yeah when I was researching for this which again I spent all day doing yeah the first thing that I came across was all capital letters not to be confused with a

[03:50:46] agenda 47 and so then I was like the fuck is agenda 47 right so that's what happened today I had to keep looking shit up when it referred to things that I did not understand okay

[03:51:00] I did not want to speak out of my ass more than I usually do. I feel like I remember like just hearing like little tidbits about agenda 47 you would have no exactly what it is. You would have because

[03:51:12] it is the manifesto of Donald Trump so it's not put out by a foundation or anything like that it's his thing okay yeah and it details policies that would be implemented upon his election as

[03:51:26] the 47th president of the United States. I see. That's why it's agenda 47. It's a collection of formal policy plans many of which would rely on executive orders and would significantly expand executive power. My understanding is that Trump has tried to distance himself somewhat from the

[03:51:47] project 2025 mess. He has but he can't. Right because he's still going to use it. Well and because the people that are on the board and created it are like Steve What's his name with the

[03:52:01] rotten nose is a banner? Oh, Steve Bannon. Yeah, Steve Bannon. Yeah. And and shit like that. Right well it's done by the Heritage Foundation it's back by the Koch brothers I mean there's a lot of big time interests involved in the project 2025 25. Right and although it's a collection

[03:52:24] of policies that are specifically put together by him agenda 47 that is many of the policies do align with. Right so he can say all he wants I have no idea what project 2025 is. Kind of rebranded

[03:52:39] it to not sound like it's part of 2020 project 2025. Well it's not that he's rebranding this was already his thing. Should we put together? Okay and they merely mirror each other because they all want the same thing. Right so in 2023 so last year Trump campaign officials acknowledged

[03:52:59] the project 2025 aligned well with agenda 47. So that's why they they were separate but they have a lot of the same thing. The separate but equally might say. The separate but equally yeah. So since they share many themes and policies let's talk about that a little bit

[03:53:18] including expanding presidential powers such as through reissuing schedule F and I had to look that up so I'll get back to that in a minute. Yeah, cuts to the Department of Education, mass deportations of illegal immigrants, death penalty for drug dealers and yeah.

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