Bible Study by Atheists Weekly: Daniel Chapters 11 - 12 plus Q&A

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[00:00:29] This is the good Lord. This is the good book. This is, he is fantasizing about murder. Mass murder. Head over to SacrilegiousDiscourse.com right now to find out how to leave us a review or support us on Patreon. Ben! Wife! Do you know what we're doing today and how the hell we got here on a Monday? Well, on Friday we read Daniel chapter 10. We sure as fuck did. And in that chapter we had Daniel with a vision. Not a dream, but a dream.

[00:01:03] It's a dream this time. It's a vision. And he saw a man that was topaz, but gold topaz, sort of bronze topaz maybe. I don't know. Might have been blue topaz. Who knows? But he had a lightning face and torches for eyes. And linen. Gold belt. He had a gold belt. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yes. And then, yeah, so that was, I don't, he was by the Tigris. And the guy touched him a couple of times to give him strength and to

[00:01:33] portray, to give him a message or something. I don't really know. He's like, you're going to want to sit down for this. I'm about to tell you some shit. Yeah. Right. Right. And then Daniel was like, I can't. And then the dude was like, here, eat this mushroom. It's a power up. And so then Daniel ate it and he was like, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, or however the Mario music goes. Oh, and then, yeah. And then the guy, we found out the guy was detained for like three weeks by the Persian king. Oh, yeah. So. And evil forces.

[00:02:03] And evil forces. So this, this guy with the lightning face, he was detained by them, by Persia, apparently. The prince of Persia. Yeah, sure. That's a thing that happens. And celestial beings imprisoned by Persia. Sure. And then, and then the angel Michael maybe came in and got him out of Persia. As he does. And then they went and chatted with Daniel by the Tigris, I guess. Yeah. And it took him a few weeks. Yeah. To bust out of there.

[00:02:30] So I was really, um, but this, this was the precursor to the vision that we're going to be hearing about the rest of the book of Daniel, apparently. Which is today and tomorrow. So maybe we'll learn more about what the fuck happened and what's going on. Who could know? I don't, I sure as fuck don't know. Who could know? Yeah. So anyway, that was Daniel chapter 10. Sure as fuck was. Which means that today we're getting into. Some bullshit. I mean, Daniel chapter 11. All right, let's do this. Okie dokie.

[00:03:05] All right. We are hopping into Daniel chapter 11. But before we do that. Daniel chapter 11. Whatever. Whatever. You were just trying to power through there. I really was. Before we do that, though, I need to say that these last three chapters, 10, 11, and 12. Yeah. Are one vision and they're continuous.

[00:03:27] They were arbitrarily cut in various places that make no fucking sense.

[00:03:34] So these are all going to end on a cliffhanger.

[00:03:35] Well, same.

[00:03:37] Like, uh, chapter 10 ended in the middle of a parentheses.

[00:03:42] Right. Yeah.

[00:03:43] Like, literally, in the middle of a parentheses.

[00:03:45] Right, right.

[00:03:46] And, I mean, I'm guessing that they probably just cut these into chapters, like, at the end

[00:03:51] of a scroll or something.

[00:03:53] Sure.

[00:03:53] Like, that makes sense. Otherwise, why wouldn't they keep shit together that was supposed to

[00:03:58] be together?

[00:03:58] Right, right.

[00:03:59] Because that's just dumb.

[00:04:01] Yeah, I guess.

[00:04:02] I don't know.

[00:04:03] But given that this is supposed to be one continuous thing and that we ended in the middle of a parentheses,

[00:04:09] I'm going to go back to the end of chapter 10.

[00:04:12] Okay.

[00:04:13] And not just pick up where we left off.

[00:04:15] I'm going to pick up a few sentences back.

[00:04:17] Sure.

[00:04:17] Sounds good.

[00:04:18] So, when he, the dude, spoke to me, Daniel.

[00:04:23] Yeah.

[00:04:24] I was strengthened and said, speak, my lord, since you've given me strength.

[00:04:28] Okay.

[00:04:29] Okay.

[00:04:29] Yeah.

[00:04:29] So, he, the shiny dude, said, do you know why I have come to you?

[00:04:35] Soon, I will return to fight against the prince of Persia.

[00:04:38] And when I go, the prince of Greece will come.

[00:04:42] But first, I will tell you what is written in the book of truth.

[00:04:45] Yeah.

[00:04:46] No one supports me against them except Michael, your prince.

[00:04:50] And in the first year of Darius the Mede, I took my stand to support and protect them.

[00:04:55] Right.

[00:04:56] Okay.

[00:04:56] Yeah, this was really weird.

[00:04:57] This was, like, this whole thing is really weird.

[00:04:59] Well, my parentheses voice.

[00:05:01] Yeah.

[00:05:01] The first sentence was the end of chapter 10.

[00:05:04] We're continuing in parentheses voice.

[00:05:06] The second sentence.

[00:05:06] I just read the second sentence.

[00:05:08] Oh, okay.

[00:05:08] Yeah.

[00:05:08] I just pretended like it was one thing.

[00:05:11] Oh.

[00:05:11] And in the first year of Darius the Mede, I took my stand to support and protect them.

[00:05:15] Okay.

[00:05:16] Was the second part of that.

[00:05:17] Got it.

[00:05:17] Got it.

[00:05:17] Okay.

[00:05:18] So, now that's the end.

[00:05:19] Okay.

[00:05:20] Of that bit.

[00:05:21] Sure.

[00:05:21] Okay.

[00:05:21] So, now we're starting chapter 11.

[00:05:23] Got it.

[00:05:24] Okay.

[00:05:25] And what's really funny is that it does have that one sentence, the end of the parentheses.

[00:05:30] Yeah.

[00:05:31] By itself.

[00:05:32] Hmm.

[00:05:33] Interesting.

[00:05:34] And then, like, chapter 11 has its own, like, and now we're starting chapter 11.

[00:05:40] And I'm like.

[00:05:40] That's a really weird break.

[00:05:41] Yeah.

[00:05:41] Right?

[00:05:42] Yeah.

[00:05:42] So weird.

[00:05:43] Uh-huh.

[00:05:43] So, we're going to learn about some north and south kings.

[00:05:46] Okay.

[00:05:47] And that's what we're getting into today.

[00:05:48] Sure.

[00:05:49] Okay.

[00:05:49] Why not?

[00:05:49] We're also going to learn about Antiochus.

[00:05:52] Oh.

[00:05:52] Okay.

[00:05:53] Epiphanies.

[00:05:54] Okay.

[00:05:54] Okay.

[00:05:55] All right.

[00:05:55] Yeah.

[00:05:55] And that's going to be interesting.

[00:05:58] Right.

[00:05:59] So, it's interesting.

[00:06:00] We were just talking about Darius, but, like, we're going to jump ahead by hundreds of years,

[00:06:04] apparently, to learn about Antiochus.

[00:06:06] Um, I don't know.

[00:06:08] We're going to do a thing because this is a long chapter.

[00:06:10] I'm not sure what all is covered.

[00:06:12] Okay.

[00:06:13] I did take some notes, but I didn't pay attention a lot to, like, years and things.

[00:06:18] Right.

[00:06:18] So, we'll see what happens.

[00:06:20] Well, I mean, I get that they cover a lot of ground in the visions and dreams of Daniel,

[00:06:27] but, you know, it's just weird that in the same chapter we'd be talking about Darius and Antiochus.

[00:06:32] Well, like I said, this is a super long chapter, so maybe it won't be as weird once we get into it.

[00:06:37] Yeah, maybe not, but I doubt it.

[00:06:38] All right.

[00:06:39] So, yeah, you're right.

[00:06:42] So, now we're going to hop into it and the dude is talking, okay?

[00:06:45] Yeah, the dude.

[00:06:47] The shiny dude.

[00:06:48] The shiny dude.

[00:06:49] Yeah.

[00:06:49] Okay, got it.

[00:06:50] Now then, I tell you the truth.

[00:06:53] Three more kings will arise in Persia.

[00:06:56] Like, remember, I, the shiny dude, have been telling you about all these kings and whatever,

[00:07:01] and Daniel's been dreaming about horns and different kingdoms with, they come and go through history and stuff.

[00:07:08] And I would assume that we're not just talking about three new kings, we're talking about three new kingdoms,

[00:07:13] like the people that are going to rule Babylon or whatever.

[00:07:16] No, he says three more kings will arise in Persia.

[00:07:20] Oh.

[00:07:21] And then a fourth who will be far richer than all the others.

[00:07:25] Okay.

[00:07:26] When he has gained power by his wealth, he will stir up everyone against the kingdom of Greece.

[00:07:32] Then a mighty king will arise who will rule with great power and do as he pleases.

[00:07:39] Hmm.

[00:07:40] After he has arisen, his empire will be broken up and parceled out toward the four winds of heaven.

[00:07:47] And that was Alexander the Great.

[00:07:48] I think so.

[00:07:49] Yeah.

[00:07:49] If I go by what we learned in our Q&A and various other places.

[00:07:53] Yeah.

[00:07:54] Okay.

[00:07:54] It will not go to his descendants, nor will it have the power he exercised,

[00:07:59] because his empire will be uprooted and given to others.

[00:08:04] Okay.

[00:08:04] The king of the south will become strong, but one of his commanders will become even stronger than he

[00:08:12] and will rule his own kingdom with great power.

[00:08:15] Okay.

[00:08:16] After some years, they will become allies.

[00:08:19] The daughter of the king of the south will go to the king of the north to make an alliance,

[00:08:24] but she will not retain her power, and he and his power will not last.

[00:08:30] Okay.

[00:08:31] So these two kingdoms are at war.

[00:08:34] Syria and I forget what the other one is.

[00:08:37] Oh, shoot.

[00:08:38] What is the other kingdom?

[00:08:40] I don't know.

[00:08:42] I know.

[00:08:42] Give me a second.

[00:08:43] Let me see if I can scroll.

[00:08:44] I mean, this chapter is so fucking long that my notes are like 10 years.

[00:08:49] Well, I just I find it interesting that we're talking about this and like these things are they're writing about this and knowing that these things happened.

[00:08:58] And they're writing it as though it is a prophecy from Daniel in this time of, you know, Babylon and Persia.

[00:09:06] But the way they write it gives away the fact that they already know about it.

[00:09:09] They're writing about it with too much detail and they know way too much about what's happening.

[00:09:14] Yeah.

[00:09:15] You know?

[00:09:15] Yeah.

[00:09:15] So you found where you're trying to figure this out at?

[00:09:20] I'm trying and I just really don't.

[00:09:23] Oh, here we go.

[00:09:24] Okay.

[00:09:25] The king of the south likely refers to the dominion of the Saracens or Arabs.

[00:09:31] Okay.

[00:09:33] And the king of the north likely refers to the Ottoman Empire.

[00:09:38] Okay.

[00:09:39] So I was wrong.

[00:09:40] But at some point they talk about Syria and maybe Macedonia, Greece.

[00:09:46] I don't know.

[00:09:47] Look, there are so many fucking kingdoms.

[00:09:51] Yeah.

[00:09:51] And time periods that like I'm losing all sense because they just threw them all at us all of a sudden.

[00:09:58] Right.

[00:09:59] So I'm losing all sense of what happened.

[00:10:01] Well, we're catching up on like 400 years of history is what we're doing with the book of Daniel.

[00:10:04] Right.

[00:10:04] Right.

[00:10:04] We're covering a large swath of time.

[00:10:07] And so we're having them they're trying to push all of this into a few visions and a few chapters.

[00:10:14] But we're covering a large bit of history.

[00:10:17] Yeah.

[00:10:18] Yeah.

[00:10:18] And that's what a lot of my notes were.

[00:10:20] And also in two different sets of notes that I was reading, like summary wise, the sources that I utilized.

[00:10:29] They both said that their summaries were more going through history and telling what happened in history.

[00:10:39] Yeah.

[00:10:39] Because a lot of this stuff actually happened.

[00:10:42] Sure.

[00:10:42] What?

[00:10:42] I mean, we're recounting this after the fact.

[00:10:44] Right.

[00:10:44] And we're putting it in the words of a vision or a dream.

[00:10:48] Right.

[00:10:49] But it is just basically going through what happened.

[00:10:52] Yeah.

[00:10:52] Yeah.

[00:10:53] Totally.

[00:10:54] So in those days, she will be betrayed.

[00:10:56] So, you know, this girl's going to go from one kingdom to the other to try to ally the kingdoms by marrying in.

[00:11:03] Right.

[00:11:04] But in those days, she will be betrayed together with her royal escort and her father and the one who supported her.

[00:11:11] All right.

[00:11:12] One from her family line will arise to take her place.

[00:11:16] He will attack the forces of the kingdom of the north and enter his fortress.

[00:11:21] He will fight against them and be victorious.

[00:11:24] Great.

[00:11:25] That's awesome.

[00:11:25] He will also seize their gods, their metal images, and their valuable articles of silver and gold and carry them off to Egypt.

[00:11:33] I like how they say seize their god.

[00:11:36] Right.

[00:11:36] You know, like it goes to that whole idea.

[00:11:38] We've been talking about this, well, through some of the latter prophets, right?

[00:11:41] And how these people talk about gods in a way that they are talking.

[00:11:48] Like when they conquer an area, they are conquering a god because that god represents these localities, right?

[00:11:54] They're not just, they're not universal gods.

[00:11:57] They are local gods.

[00:11:59] So it's funny that they actually kind of admit that.

[00:12:02] Right.

[00:12:02] By saying that they conquered, beat a god type thing.

[00:12:05] Well, also, I think it's really funny.

[00:12:07] Like clearly what you mean is you're going to pick up some idols.

[00:12:10] Right.

[00:12:10] Like, oh, I'm going to pick up a pair of shoes.

[00:12:13] And, oh, I need to pick up the cat barfed.

[00:12:16] I need to pick that up.

[00:12:17] And also, I'm going to pick up a god.

[00:12:19] Right.

[00:12:20] Like, I'm sorry, what?

[00:12:21] Yeah.

[00:12:22] You know what I mean?

[00:12:23] Like, there's all these things that I need to pick up and god is on the grocery list.

[00:12:27] Right.

[00:12:27] So fucking weird.

[00:12:29] Yeah.

[00:12:29] Yeah.

[00:12:29] So he picked up the gold and the gods and he carried them off to Egypt.

[00:12:33] Okay.

[00:12:34] For some years, whoever this guy is, he will leave the king of the north alone.

[00:12:38] Got it.

[00:12:39] Then the king of the north will invade the realm of the king of the south, but will retreat to his own country.

[00:12:45] Okay.

[00:12:45] His sons will prepare for war and assemble a great army, which will sweep on like an irresistible flood and carry the battle as far as his fortress.

[00:12:55] This is a lot of vagary.

[00:12:56] Right?

[00:12:57] Yeah, it is.

[00:12:57] Like, it's so hard to follow.

[00:12:59] Like, yes, we can dig into this and assume that they mean this thing or that thing and whatever.

[00:13:05] Mm-hmm.

[00:13:05] But listening to this.

[00:13:07] I can't follow it.

[00:13:08] Yeah.

[00:13:09] What the fuck is this?

[00:13:10] Yeah.

[00:13:10] I might have to, like, this might be a long episode because I have a, like, summary of what actually happened.

[00:13:18] Okay.

[00:13:18] During this time period that will help clear this up.

[00:13:21] Got it.

[00:13:22] Then the king of the south will march out in a rage and fight against the king of the north, who will raise a large army, but it will be defeated.

[00:13:30] When the army is carried off, the king of the south will be filled with pride and will slaughter many thousands.

[00:13:36] Yet he will not remain triumphant.

[00:13:38] Okay.

[00:13:39] For the king of the north will muster another army larger than the first.

[00:13:43] And after several years, he will advance with a huge army fully equipped.

[00:13:47] Holy shit.

[00:13:48] This is so dumb.

[00:13:49] Back and forth and back and forth and back and forth.

[00:13:50] Like, this king and that king and north and south and whatever.

[00:13:53] And I'm not going to name a single one or tell you a year.

[00:13:57] In those times, many will rise against the king of the south.

[00:14:01] Okay.

[00:14:02] Those who are violent among your own people will rebel in fulfillment of the vision, but without success.

[00:14:08] Can you imagine reading this in a vacuum?

[00:14:10] Right?

[00:14:11] Like, not knowing what the fuck they're talking about.

[00:14:13] And not having Google.

[00:14:14] Right.

[00:14:15] Yeah.

[00:14:16] Exactly.

[00:14:16] To be like, I'm sorry, what?

[00:14:18] This is supposed to be the word of God, right?

[00:14:20] Yeah.

[00:14:20] You would assume that you could just skip a thousand years of history without any humans

[00:14:27] in it.

[00:14:27] And then someone should be able to pick this up later and say, that makes sense because

[00:14:31] it's the word of God.

[00:14:32] Right.

[00:14:32] Right.

[00:14:33] Yeah.

[00:14:33] But no, you have to know detailed history about the timeframe when this happened in order

[00:14:38] to understand what the fuck they're talking about.

[00:14:40] Right.

[00:14:40] It doesn't just automatically make sense.

[00:14:43] Well, here, I do know what he's talking about when he says those who are violent among

[00:14:47] your own people will rebel.

[00:14:49] He's talking about the Jews are going to get involved in one of these wars between the north

[00:14:54] and the south.

[00:14:55] Sure.

[00:14:55] And so they're going to rebel.

[00:14:57] Okay.

[00:14:57] Okay.

[00:14:57] Yeah.

[00:14:58] But that's still.

[00:14:59] No, I know.

[00:15:00] I'm just saying I know that bit.

[00:15:01] Okay.

[00:15:02] Okay.

[00:15:02] Yeah.

[00:15:03] Then the king of the north will come and build up siege ramps and will capture a fortified

[00:15:07] city.

[00:15:09] Some fortified city.

[00:15:10] The forces of the south will be powerless to resist.

[00:15:14] Even their best troops will not have the strength to stand.

[00:15:17] The invader will do as he pleases.

[00:15:19] No, I forgot if we're talking about north or south here.

[00:15:21] I have no idea.

[00:15:22] Who cares?

[00:15:23] I have no idea.

[00:15:23] No one will be able to stand against him.

[00:15:25] He will establish himself in the capital B beautiful capital L land.

[00:15:31] Oh, okay.

[00:15:31] Beautiful land.

[00:15:33] I'm assuming that's got to be Israel, right?

[00:15:34] Sure.

[00:15:35] Because we're capitalizing it maybe?

[00:15:36] Sure.

[00:15:37] He's going to establish himself in the capital beautiful capital land.

[00:15:41] Right.

[00:15:41] And will have the power to destroy it.

[00:15:45] He will determine to come with the might of his entire kingdom and will make an alliance

[00:15:50] with the king of the south.

[00:15:52] And he will give him a daughter in marriage in order to overthrow the kingdom.

[00:15:55] But his plans will not succeed or help him.

[00:15:58] This is like written by a child.

[00:16:02] Everybody fails.

[00:16:02] What the fuck?

[00:16:03] This is so bad.

[00:16:05] Yeah.

[00:16:05] And that was the first 17 verses.

[00:16:08] Wow.

[00:16:08] Right?

[00:16:09] Man.

[00:16:10] So we're only on verse 18 here.

[00:16:12] I'm...

[00:16:12] And this is...

[00:16:13] This is just really...

[00:16:14] It's painful.

[00:16:15] This is really painful.

[00:16:16] Right?

[00:16:16] Yeah.

[00:16:16] Then he will turn his attention to the coastlands and will take many of them.

[00:16:20] But a commander will put an end to his insolence.

[00:16:23] A commander.

[00:16:24] Sure.

[00:16:24] Yeah.

[00:16:25] Okay.

[00:16:25] And will turn his insolence back on him.

[00:16:27] As you do.

[00:16:28] Yeah.

[00:16:29] After this, he will turn back toward the fortresses of his own country.

[00:16:33] But guess what?

[00:16:34] Wow.

[00:16:34] He'll stumble and fall to be seen no more.

[00:16:37] Okay.

[00:16:38] Okay.

[00:16:38] Right.

[00:16:38] Yeah.

[00:16:39] His successor will send out a tax collector to maintain the royal splendor.

[00:16:44] In a few years, however, he will be destroyed, yet not in anger or in battle.

[00:16:49] He will be succeeded by a contemptible person.

[00:16:52] Oh, I know who this is.

[00:16:53] Who has not been given the honor of royalty.

[00:16:56] The contemptible person is the vile person.

[00:16:59] And that is Antiochus.

[00:17:01] Okay.

[00:17:01] Okay.

[00:17:02] All right.

[00:17:02] I know that from my notes.

[00:17:03] I'm trying to imagine what this vision looks like to Daniel, right?

[00:17:07] Yeah.

[00:17:07] He's just like...

[00:17:08] We are all over the fucking place.

[00:17:10] Ping pong ball going north, south, north, south, north, south, north, south.

[00:17:15] All right.

[00:17:16] So this dude is contemptible.

[00:17:18] And he has not been given the honor of royalty.

[00:17:20] He will invade the kingdom when its people feel secure.

[00:17:23] And he will seize it through intrigue.

[00:17:26] Through intrigue.

[00:17:27] Well, what he does is he befriends himself to everybody.

[00:17:32] Yeah.

[00:17:33] And he bribes.

[00:17:34] And he just walks in with dollar, dollar, dollar.

[00:17:36] He throws money at everybody and everything.

[00:17:38] Okay.

[00:17:38] And no, I'm not describing Trump, but I could be.

[00:17:41] And he's like, I'm your friend.

[00:17:44] And then he goes to the enemy and says, just kidding.

[00:17:47] I'm your friend.

[00:17:48] Right.

[00:17:48] And so he just like walks right in.

[00:17:50] He strolls right in and then turns around and stabs him.

[00:17:53] Got it.

[00:17:54] So that's what they mean.

[00:17:55] Intrigue.

[00:17:56] Got it.

[00:17:56] Then an overwhelming army will be swept away before him.

[00:18:00] Swept away before him.

[00:18:03] Both it and a prince of the covenant will be destroyed.

[00:18:07] After coming to an agreement with him, he will act deceitfully.

[00:18:11] With only a few people, he will rise to power.

[00:18:15] When the richest provinces feel secure, he will invade them and will achieve what neither

[00:18:21] his fathers nor his forefathers did.

[00:18:23] This is a lot of he's and they's.

[00:18:25] He pronoun abuse.

[00:18:27] I need a name.

[00:18:28] Like, I really am having you.

[00:18:29] You could not follow this unless you had notes.

[00:18:32] No, there's no way.

[00:18:33] The whole time we were reading this north and south and north and south.

[00:18:35] I was like, but I'll know when they get to Antiochus.

[00:18:39] Yeah, sure.

[00:18:40] That's the only thing.

[00:18:41] Only because you did research, though.

[00:18:43] Yeah, yeah.

[00:18:43] Exactly.

[00:18:44] If I had just read this without any context or anything, I'm not getting shit out of this.

[00:18:49] No, this is crazy.

[00:18:50] They were fighting a lot.

[00:18:52] And Israel was in the middle.

[00:18:53] But I don't like having having no context for it.

[00:18:56] I would not even know why we're doing this.

[00:18:58] Right.

[00:18:59] What is going on?

[00:19:00] I mean, OK, when they say in the north and in the south, Israel is literally in the middle

[00:19:05] of kingdoms north of them and kingdoms south of that.

[00:19:08] Sure.

[00:19:09] That are fighting each other.

[00:19:10] No, I get it.

[00:19:11] And so Israel's like, fuck me.

[00:19:13] Yeah.

[00:19:13] So they never get to be in peace.

[00:19:15] Right.

[00:19:16] He will distribute plunder, loot and wealth among his followers.

[00:19:20] He will plot the overthrow of fortresses, but only for a time.

[00:19:24] With a large army, he will stir up his strength and courage against the king of the south.

[00:19:29] The king of the south will wage war with a large and very powerful army, but he will not

[00:19:34] be able to stand because of the plots devised against him.

[00:19:38] OK.

[00:19:38] Those who eat from the king's provisions will try to destroy him, meaning the people who

[00:19:43] are in his own court.

[00:19:44] Right.

[00:19:45] I got it.

[00:19:45] His army will be swept away and many will fall in battle.

[00:19:48] The two kings with their hearts bent on evil will sit at the same table and lie to each

[00:19:54] other, but to no avail because an end will still come at the appointed time.

[00:19:59] OK.

[00:20:00] Yeah.

[00:20:00] People die.

[00:20:01] And then when they die, we get to say they died.

[00:20:03] I knew that was going to happen.

[00:20:05] Right.

[00:20:05] Yeah.

[00:20:06] The king of the north will return to his own country with great wealth, but his heart will

[00:20:11] be set against the holy covenant.

[00:20:13] He will take action against it and then return to his own country.

[00:20:16] At the appointed time, he will invade the south again, but this time the outcome will be different

[00:20:22] from what it was before.

[00:20:24] OK.

[00:20:24] Ships of the western coastlands will oppose him and he will lose heart.

[00:20:29] Then he will turn back and vent his fury against the holy covenant.

[00:20:33] He will return and show favor to those who forsake the holy covenant.

[00:20:38] I'm just I'm I'm thinking there had to be somebody that wrote this and they have like

[00:20:43] books filled with history.

[00:20:45] And they're like, I really need to fit this into like a chapter.

[00:20:49] Right.

[00:20:50] So how are we going to do this?

[00:20:52] North and south and north and south.

[00:20:54] His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily

[00:21:01] sacrifice.

[00:21:03] Remember like Antiochus did?

[00:21:04] Yeah.

[00:21:05] Yeah.

[00:21:05] Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation.

[00:21:09] That's where Antiochus comes in and sets up a bunch of idols in the temple.

[00:21:16] Right.

[00:21:16] Yeah.

[00:21:16] And they make them make them worship the idols in the temple of Jerusalem and all that.

[00:21:21] Yeah.

[00:21:22] Yeah.

[00:21:22] That's what the abomination that causes desolation is.

[00:21:26] Got it.

[00:21:26] OK.

[00:21:27] Yeah.

[00:21:27] Like that's an actual term that we should remember.

[00:21:31] Yeah.

[00:21:32] OK.

[00:21:32] I'd like to think that our podcast is the abomination that causes desolation.

[00:21:36] Right.

[00:21:37] Yeah.

[00:21:37] Oh, my God.

[00:21:37] That's my new nickname.

[00:21:39] With flattery, he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant.

[00:21:44] But the people who know their God will firmly resist him.

[00:21:49] Those who are wise will instruct many, though for a time they will fall by the sword or be

[00:21:55] burned or captured or plundered.

[00:21:57] Mm-hmm.

[00:21:58] When they fall, they will receive a little help and many who are not sincere will join

[00:22:03] them.

[00:22:04] This is so vague and stupid.

[00:22:06] Yeah.

[00:22:06] No, this is really dumb.

[00:22:08] Some of the wise will stumble so that they may be refined, purified, and made spotless

[00:22:14] until the end of time, for it will still come at the appointed time.

[00:22:18] Sure, it will.

[00:22:19] Whatever it is.

[00:22:20] Right.

[00:22:20] Yeah.

[00:22:21] The king will do as he pleases.

[00:22:23] He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard of things against

[00:22:29] the god of gods.

[00:22:30] Not unheard of things.

[00:22:31] Yeah.

[00:22:31] I told you he's vile.

[00:22:33] Yeah.

[00:22:33] He's referred to as vile.

[00:22:34] Sure.

[00:22:35] OK.

[00:22:35] And contemptible.

[00:22:36] Right.

[00:22:37] Yeah.

[00:22:37] He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined

[00:22:42] must take place.

[00:22:44] OK.

[00:22:44] He will show no regard.

[00:22:46] Wait.

[00:22:46] We're still talking about Antiochus, right?

[00:22:48] Mm-hmm.

[00:22:48] So he's going to be successful until the time of wrath takes place?

[00:22:52] Through the time of wrath.

[00:22:53] Right.

[00:22:53] So, again, I'm only stopping here because the prophecies have been meant to build out further

[00:23:03] by a lot of people, right?

[00:23:04] Mm-hmm.

[00:23:05] Like, they're supposed to go further on.

[00:23:06] Mm-hmm.

[00:23:07] But this is kind of indicating that that time of wrath is right around the corner because

[00:23:11] Antiochus isn't going to fucking live forever.

[00:23:13] So they're writing this about their own time.

[00:23:18] He is successful through the time of wrath because he will be successful until the time

[00:23:25] of wrath is completed.

[00:23:26] OK.

[00:23:27] OK.

[00:23:27] All right.

[00:23:28] So, yeah, the time of wrath is occurring while he is in charge.

[00:23:33] The time of wrath is his reign, essentially.

[00:23:35] Yes.

[00:23:35] OK.

[00:23:36] I got it.

[00:23:37] He will show no regard for the gods of his ancestors or for the one desired by women,

[00:23:42] nor will he regard any god but will exalt himself above them all.

[00:23:47] OK.

[00:23:48] As you do.

[00:23:49] Yeah, a lot of leaders do that.

[00:23:51] Yeah.

[00:23:51] Instead of them, he will honor a god of fortresses, a god known to his ancestors he will honor

[00:23:59] with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts.

[00:24:04] He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign god and will greatly honor

[00:24:10] those who acknowledge him.

[00:24:11] He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price.

[00:24:17] OK.

[00:24:18] So everything's for sale with this guy.

[00:24:20] This is really tedious.

[00:24:21] At the time of the end, the king of the south will engage him in battle and the king of the

[00:24:27] north will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships.

[00:24:33] He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a fucking flood.

[00:24:38] He will also invade the capital beautiful land.

[00:24:42] Yeah.

[00:24:43] Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from

[00:24:50] his hand.

[00:24:50] OK.

[00:24:51] He will extend his power over many countries.

[00:24:54] Egypt will not escape.

[00:24:56] He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt with

[00:25:02] the Libyans and Kushites in submission.

[00:25:05] Oh, yeah.

[00:25:06] We're naming some names.

[00:25:07] Yeah.

[00:25:07] But reports from the east and the north will alarm him and he will set out in a great rage

[00:25:13] to destroy and annihilate many.

[00:25:15] He will pitch his royal tents.

[00:25:17] Yeah, he will.

[00:25:19] Between the seas at the beautiful holy mountain.

[00:25:23] Yet he will come to his end and no one will help him.

[00:25:27] The end.

[00:25:27] OK.

[00:25:29] So I've never been more happy to be done with a chapter because that was really bad.

[00:25:33] Do you want me to read some of my notes here that summarize some of the history that we

[00:25:38] just did?

[00:25:56] Yeah.

[00:26:03] He will tell Daniel what's written in the book of truth.

[00:26:10] Sure.

[00:26:10] That was chapter 10.

[00:26:12] Yeah.

[00:26:12] And now I'm going to give a brief thing and then we're going to go into it.

[00:26:15] OK.

[00:26:15] All right.

[00:26:16] Chapter 11 is the report of the vision.

[00:26:18] So the angel continues.

[00:26:20] There's going to be four kings of Persia and the last one will make war on Greece.

[00:26:25] After him will come a great king, but that king's empire will be broken up.

[00:26:29] OK.

[00:26:29] There will be wars and marriages between the kings of the south and north.

[00:26:33] The king of the north will desecrate the temple and set up the abomination that causes

[00:26:37] desolation.

[00:26:38] Which is Antiochus, right?

[00:26:40] And which is the putting idols in the temple and making them.

[00:26:45] Right.

[00:26:46] Do prayer to that or whatever.

[00:26:49] Yeah.

[00:26:49] At the end time, there will be a war between the king of the south and the king of the

[00:26:53] north.

[00:26:53] The king of the north will meet his end between the sea and the holy mountain.

[00:26:57] OK.

[00:26:57] OK.

[00:26:58] Now, this chapter gives a more particular explanation of the events that were predicted

[00:27:03] back in chapter eight, where Daniel had foretold the partition of Alexander's

[00:27:09] kingdom into four parts.

[00:27:10] Right.

[00:27:10] Remember that?

[00:27:11] Yep.

[00:27:11] Two of these, Egypt to the north of Judea and Syria to the south of it.

[00:27:17] There it is.

[00:27:18] Yeah.

[00:27:18] OK.

[00:27:18] So we've got Egypt to the north and Syria to the south.

[00:27:21] OK.

[00:27:22] OK.

[00:27:22] That helps me a little bit.

[00:27:23] Sure.

[00:27:24] Take up Daniel's attention as his people were particularly concerned in their fate.

[00:27:30] So those are the two lands, the north and the south, the north and the south.

[00:27:34] Yeah.

[00:27:34] They're fighting and he's caught in the middle.

[00:27:38] Sure.

[00:27:38] Israel's caught in the middle, Judea.

[00:27:40] So that's why he's particularly paying attention to these two.

[00:27:43] Got it.

[00:27:44] And these were the countries in which the greatest number of the Jews were dispersed.

[00:27:48] OK.

[00:27:49] So that makes sense.

[00:27:50] I knew there was a lot of Jewish people in Egypt for sure.

[00:27:53] Right.

[00:27:53] So a lot of them went to Syria as well.

[00:27:55] Got it.

[00:27:56] OK.

[00:27:56] So the dude speaks of the conquest of Macedon, Macedonians.

[00:28:02] Yeah.

[00:28:02] And that was 168 BCE.

[00:28:05] And then he speaks of the Romans and of the church under that power.

[00:28:09] OK.

[00:28:10] Daniel then speaks of an antichrist who would spring up there and of those powers which at

[00:28:16] the latter days of the Roman monarchy were to push at it and overthrow many countries.

[00:28:22] OK.

[00:28:23] Just hang with me.

[00:28:23] OK.

[00:28:24] I'm hanging.

[00:28:25] The king of the south in verse 40 of this chapter likely refers to the dominion of the

[00:28:32] Saracens or Arabs, an exceedingly great plague to the Roman Empire in the east.

[00:28:38] OK.

[00:28:39] For 150 years.

[00:28:41] And then it says in 612 AD when Muhammad and his followers began through to 762 AD.

[00:28:51] OK.

[00:28:52] OK.

[00:28:53] That's well beyond what we're talking about, though.

[00:28:55] Yeah.

[00:28:56] OK.

[00:28:56] All right.

[00:28:57] So just letting you know that's out there.

[00:28:59] Right.

[00:28:59] OK.

[00:29:00] The king of the north in the same verse likely refers to the Ottoman Empire by which after

[00:29:06] about 150 years of almost uninterrupted hostilities, the Roman Empire in the east was completely

[00:29:13] overturned in 1453 AD.

[00:29:16] OK.

[00:29:16] So they're trying to tell us like lots of future things.

[00:29:19] Right.

[00:29:20] Yeah.

[00:29:20] The chapter concludes with a prediction of the final overthrow of the northern power

[00:29:26] and of the manner in which this great event shall be accomplished.

[00:29:30] OK.

[00:29:30] Uh-huh.

[00:29:31] Whatever.

[00:29:31] That's I don't really understand that.

[00:29:34] That's a different summary that I'm like, OK, I'm just going to have it there for us to

[00:29:38] like make fun of.

[00:29:39] Sure.

[00:29:39] Yeah.

[00:29:40] So anyway, the messenger we're starting over now, the messenger went on to describe to Daniel

[00:29:46] the conflicts involving Persia and Greece as they would affect the Jews.

[00:29:51] This account runs on unbroken through chapters 11 and 12.

[00:29:55] OK.

[00:29:56] So after the death of Cyrus, the Greek states grew steadily grew in power.

[00:30:03] Although there was no official Greek nation at that time.

[00:30:06] Yeah.

[00:30:07] I'm using the name Greece to refer to that general region.

[00:30:10] It was like Macedonia, Greece, all that.

[00:30:13] OK.

[00:30:13] OK.

[00:30:14] The most important of the Greek states was Macedonia in the north, which later became

[00:30:19] the center of the Greek empire.

[00:30:21] Got it.

[00:30:22] And that's why you'll often see those two somewhat in this section of the Bible used

[00:30:27] somewhat interchangeably or together.

[00:30:29] OK.

[00:30:30] OK.

[00:30:30] Yeah.

[00:30:31] Earlier Persian kings had some successes against these Greek states, but the Greeks eventually

[00:30:38] reestablished their independence and began to expand their power.

[00:30:42] Probably the most notable victory came in 333 BCE when the armies of Alexander the Great

[00:30:49] took control of the eastern Mediterranean region.

[00:30:52] And yeah, we know that name.

[00:30:54] We know that thing.

[00:30:54] Yeah.

[00:30:55] The Greek conquest then spread rapidly through Western Asia and Northern Africa.

[00:31:00] Then, with only a few years of establishing his power, Alexander unexpectedly died and his vast empire was divided among four of his generals.

[00:31:10] Womp womp.

[00:31:11] Mm-hmm.

[00:31:11] OK.

[00:31:12] So, we remember that.

[00:31:13] Right.

[00:31:14] OK.

[00:31:14] In the eastern areas of this divided empire, there were two main sectors, Egypt to the south and Syria to the north.

[00:31:22] OK.

[00:31:23] OK.

[00:31:23] When Syria became dominant under the leadership of a man who had previously served under the Egyptian leader, the struggle between the two increased.

[00:31:34] OK.

[00:31:35] Israel, caught between the two powers, suffered much because of these conflicts.

[00:31:39] Sure.

[00:31:39] OK.

[00:31:40] Later, an alliance was established between the south and the north when the Egyptian king gave his daughter in marriage to the Syrian king.

[00:31:49] But the marriage broke up and eventually the Syrian king was murdered.

[00:31:53] OK.

[00:31:53] OK.

[00:31:54] So, we saw some of that, but now we have countries to attach to them.

[00:31:57] Right.

[00:31:58] Right.

[00:31:58] Yeah.

[00:31:59] The woman's brother then invaded and plundered Syria, and that was about 246 BCE.

[00:32:08] OK.

[00:32:08] OK.

[00:32:09] During the next 50 years, Syria and Egypt invaded each other on several occasions, which that was that whole north and south and north and south that we went through, which they could have just summarized into this sentence.

[00:32:21] Both sides tasting victory and defeat.

[00:32:24] Sure.

[00:32:24] Right.

[00:32:25] It was a constant give and take.

[00:32:27] Like 20 verses summarized in one sentence.

[00:32:30] Sure.

[00:32:31] OK.

[00:32:31] All right.

[00:32:32] A decisive battle, as far as the people of Israel were concerned, was fought in 198 BCE.

[00:32:39] So, we are quickly approaching the zero year.

[00:32:42] Yeah.

[00:32:43] OK.

[00:32:43] Yeah.

[00:32:43] Some of the Jews joined with the Syrians against Egypt, thinking they were fulfilling a prophetic vision that would bring benefits to themselves.

[00:32:52] In the end, they only brought themselves greater trouble because Syria not only conquered Egypt, but also took firm control of Palestine.

[00:33:01] OK.

[00:33:02] Like, oh my God.

[00:33:03] The Syrian king tried to gain full control of the Egyptian throne by giving his daughter in marriage to the king of Egypt, but the scheme did not bring him the success he hoped for.

[00:33:14] Womp womp.

[00:33:14] He then attacked Greece, but was defeated and forced to flee back to Syria where he died.

[00:33:21] The new king, in order to obtain money to pay the victorious enemy, was attempting to plunder the Jewish temple treasures when he was suddenly murdered.

[00:33:32] You know, as happens.

[00:33:34] Right.

[00:33:35] All right.

[00:33:35] Then we get into Antiochus Epiphanes, colon, a vile person.

[00:33:41] Got it.

[00:33:42] Like, literally, that is how he's described.

[00:33:44] Yeah.

[00:33:44] OK.

[00:33:45] Yeah.

[00:33:46] And Antiochus Epiphanes then became king over the region controlled by Syria.

[00:33:51] OK.

[00:33:52] So he is king of Syria.

[00:33:54] OK.

[00:33:54] He was not the legal heir, but by bribery and flattery, he managed to gain the throne.

[00:33:59] He was considered a contemptible person, treacherous, cruel, greedy, and ambitious for power.

[00:34:05] He devised the most evil scheme to deceive his allies, crush his enemies, and plunder the defenseless.

[00:34:13] Within a short time, Antiochus had conquered Egypt, helped by certain traitors in the Egyptian administration who betrayed their king.

[00:34:22] OK.

[00:34:22] He tried to form a partnership with the new king that he had appointed in Egypt.

[00:34:28] He's like, hey, I just made you king.

[00:34:30] Let's make a partnership.

[00:34:31] Right.

[00:34:31] But this king was as deceitful as Antiochus was, and the partnership soon failed.

[00:34:37] I see.

[00:34:37] That's funny.

[00:34:38] Yeah.

[00:34:39] Antiochus returned to Syria, planning to carry out the chief aim of his program, which was the destruction of the Jews and their religion.

[00:34:49] OK.

[00:34:49] Yeah.

[00:34:50] He was like, fuck all y'all.

[00:34:51] Yeah.

[00:34:52] OK.

[00:34:53] Before he had a chance to launch his anti-Jewish campaign, Antiochus heard there was unrest in Egypt.

[00:34:59] So he returned south to put down the rebellion real quick.

[00:35:03] But Egypt called in the help of a foreign navy, and Antiochus was forced to flee back to Palestine.

[00:35:09] OK.

[00:35:10] On his arrival in Jerusalem, he found that fighting had broken out between rival Jewish groups.

[00:35:16] What?

[00:35:17] Yeah.

[00:35:17] One of these groups consisted of people who were loyal to their ancient religion.

[00:35:22] The other of people who were prepared to change their beliefs and practices to gain political benefits from their foreign overlords.

[00:35:31] Huh.

[00:35:31] OK.

[00:35:32] I wonder what that was about.

[00:35:33] Yeah, that's interesting.

[00:35:34] I'd like to learn more about that, actually.

[00:35:37] Already angry because, well, I wonder if that's when we have the Christians coming out and fighting.

[00:35:45] No, it would have been before the Christians.

[00:35:47] OK.

[00:35:48] Well, it would have been before the Christians, but it could have been like an early group of people not wanting to like stick with the old traditions, which allowed Christianity to come into play.

[00:36:03] Sure.

[00:36:03] I mean, I think I think that we throughout the Bible, we've run across different ideas as to how people worship Yahweh and everything.

[00:36:11] So I mean, it's just a different group.

[00:36:13] Got it.

[00:36:14] Well, and they said that they were embracing their foreign, you know, foreign ideas.

[00:36:19] So like.

[00:36:19] Right.

[00:36:20] That's true.

[00:36:20] They were probably trying to either a worship another God or incorporate their God into some sort of a foreign new new type of worship that allows for this other God.

[00:36:31] Right.

[00:36:31] As to appease somebody to help them win power or whatever the case may be.

[00:36:36] All right.

[00:36:37] Well, already angry because of his defeat in Egypt, Antiochus eagerly took the opportunity to attack the Jews.

[00:36:45] Yeah.

[00:36:45] You know, as you do, I guess.

[00:36:47] Right.

[00:36:48] The enraged Antiochus slaughtered Jews in thousands, made other slaves and prohibited all from keeping their religious laws.

[00:36:56] Worse than this, he set up a Greek idol and a Greek altar in the Jewish temple, then sacrificed animals that the Jews considered unclean.

[00:37:04] To loyal Jews, this was an abomination, an awful horror.

[00:37:09] Though some Jews joined Antiochus in order to save their lives, others stood firm no matter what it cost them.

[00:37:16] Got it.

[00:37:17] And this was the abomination that caused desolation.

[00:37:21] Right.

[00:37:22] Yeah.

[00:37:22] Jewish resistance to Antiochus was led by a courageous priest and his five sons known as.

[00:37:28] The Maccabees.

[00:37:29] The Maccabees.

[00:37:30] Yeah.

[00:37:30] Very good.

[00:37:30] Good.

[00:37:31] I'm excited to read about those guys.

[00:37:34] I am kind of as well.

[00:37:35] So.

[00:37:36] It's an interesting time period.

[00:37:37] Yeah.

[00:37:38] Yeah.

[00:37:38] They persuaded many to join them in their fight for religious freedom.

[00:37:43] Amid all the persecution, some Jews failed, but others stood firm and were martyred for their faith.

[00:37:50] The effect of the persecution among the people at large was one of a spiritual cleansing.

[00:37:57] Purified faith enabled the faithful to stand firm.

[00:38:00] With the result being that in 165 BCE, after more than three years of fighting, they regained their religious independence and rededicated their temple.

[00:38:13] Scholars think that this specific revolt directly led to the writing of the book of Daniel.

[00:38:20] Huh.

[00:38:20] Yeah.

[00:38:21] Okay.

[00:38:21] I thought you'd like that.

[00:38:22] Yeah.

[00:38:23] Yeah.

[00:38:23] Okay.

[00:38:24] So next we get to the Antichrist and the end times Antiochus epiphanies.

[00:38:31] Okay.

[00:38:31] Okay.

[00:38:32] In addition to blaspheming the God of the Jews, Antiochus dishonored the Syrian and Greek gods.

[00:38:38] So he was just like pissing on everybody's gods.

[00:38:41] Considering himself to be above every god, he replaced the existing gods with others brought from elsewhere.

[00:38:48] Huh.

[00:38:49] He's like, I'm just going to put this one here and that one there.

[00:38:52] Nanny nanny boo boo to you both.

[00:38:54] Right.

[00:38:55] Right.

[00:38:55] He rewarded those who flattered him by giving them gifts of land and promoting them to positions of power.

[00:39:02] He would also, like, he was such a weird dude.

[00:39:05] He would walk through the streets and sometimes just, like, give a large amount of money to somebody for no reason.

[00:39:11] Or, like, he would surprise them with gifts.

[00:39:13] He was just a really weird dude.

[00:39:15] Got it.

[00:39:15] Towards the end of his reign, Antiochus was attacked by Egypt.

[00:39:20] He began his successful counterattack by overrunning Palestine and once again slaughtering the unfortunate Jews.

[00:39:29] Though he did not invade neighboring states that were hostile to the Jews.

[00:39:33] He then moved down to take over Egypt along with those African states that were under Egypt's control.

[00:39:40] Okay.

[00:39:40] When he was later attacked from the northeast by the Parthians, Antiochus lost his temporary headquarters on the plains of Palestine and went out with his usual fury and confidence to meet the attack.

[00:39:53] But when returning from the battle, he suddenly and unexpectedly died.

[00:39:58] And that was the end of one section and I was like, oh, hell no.

[00:40:01] What?

[00:40:02] And so I had to go look up how the fuck did Antiochus die.

[00:40:05] Sure.

[00:40:05] Right?

[00:40:06] All right.

[00:40:06] So various religious explanations exist for Antiochus' death.

[00:40:12] Okay.

[00:40:12] Apparently, he attacked a temple of the Mesopotamian deity, Naniya, in Persia, shortly before his demise.

[00:40:20] And his death was possibly attributed to impiety and punishment by Naniya or her followers is my guess.

[00:40:29] Jewish sources.

[00:40:30] But he was able to battle the.

[00:40:33] The other gods.

[00:40:34] Yahweh's people.

[00:40:36] Yeah.

[00:40:36] And he didn't kill him.

[00:40:37] Yeah.

[00:40:38] Okay.

[00:40:38] All right.

[00:40:39] So Naniya is stronger than Yahweh.

[00:40:40] Throwing that out there.

[00:40:42] Never even heard of Naniya, but apparently she's stronger than Yahweh.

[00:40:45] Right.

[00:40:45] Yeah.

[00:40:46] Jewish sources gave credit for Antiochus' death to his earlier impiety at the Temple of Jerusalem.

[00:40:52] Oh, of course.

[00:40:53] Retroactive, you know.

[00:40:54] Yeah.

[00:40:54] Right.

[00:40:55] According to 2nd Maccabees, he died from divinely inflicted disease.

[00:41:00] So we're not there yet, but I find that laughable and cool.

[00:41:05] Yeah.

[00:41:05] According to a later rabbinical work called The Scroll of Antiochus,

[00:41:10] Uh-huh.

[00:41:11] When Antiochus heard that his army had been defeated in Judea,

[00:41:15] he boarded a ship and fled to the coastal cities.

[00:41:19] Wherever he came, the people rebelled and called him the fugitive.

[00:41:23] So he drowned himself in the sea.

[00:41:26] Oh.

[00:41:26] This story's from the 2nd century, however,

[00:41:29] and is generally considered secondary and unlikely to be accurate.

[00:41:33] Got it.

[00:41:33] And then I just have one more note about Antiochus because he's just so interesting to me.

[00:41:40] His often eccentric behavior and capricious actions during his interactions with common people,

[00:41:46] such as appearing in the public bathhouses and applying for municipal offices.

[00:41:53] And like I said, just like, yeah, he would just like do the weirdest shit.

[00:41:57] Okay.

[00:41:58] Okay?

[00:41:58] Yeah.

[00:41:59] Led some of his contemporaries to call him Epimenes instead of Epiphanes, which means the mad.

[00:42:06] So Antiochus the mad instead of Antiochus the bright.

[00:42:12] Right.

[00:42:12] So that was chapter 11.

[00:42:16] Okay.

[00:42:17] And then that was a summary of chapter 11 because what the fuck was chapter 11?

[00:42:23] I don't, I mean, again, I really have to believe that it was just somebody that was trying to take

[00:42:29] all of the 400 years of history that they had to cover to make this thing work.

[00:42:34] Yeah.

[00:42:34] And shoved it into one chapter.

[00:42:36] Yeah.

[00:42:36] It was a bunch of countries fighting each other at the end.

[00:42:39] Right.

[00:42:39] Yeah.

[00:42:40] I mean, really, really everything we just covered, it sounds so bad because it should have taken

[00:42:47] a textbook to cover all of that.

[00:42:49] Yeah.

[00:42:50] Like, I mean, there was a lot of history that we tried to just shove into one chapter.

[00:42:55] Exactly.

[00:42:55] And it doesn't work, obviously, especially when you they, them, and he the whole way through.

[00:43:02] Right.

[00:43:02] It's just, you can't pronoun your way through history.

[00:43:05] That's not how it works.

[00:43:06] What I find really interesting is that half the chapter was 400 years of history.

[00:43:11] The other half was Antiochus.

[00:43:14] Yeah.

[00:43:14] Like, what?

[00:43:15] Right.

[00:43:15] Well, it's because that's the time that they're writing them in.

[00:43:18] Yeah.

[00:43:18] That's the most relevant to them.

[00:43:20] Obviously.

[00:43:20] They shoved the rest of the history in between and then they're like, and now Antiochus.

[00:43:24] Mm-hmm.

[00:43:24] And they tried to make it sound like a vision because that's what, they're writing them

[00:43:28] with the idea that this is a vision that Daniel is having, you know, post Babylonia and whatever.

[00:43:34] Mm-hmm.

[00:43:35] So they're writing it from the perspective of someone 400 years prior, but they're writing

[00:43:40] it in the time that they're dealing with Antiochus.

[00:43:42] Yeah.

[00:43:43] So it's just-

[00:43:44] And they made it so fucking obvious.

[00:43:45] They really did.

[00:43:46] This is what we're dealing with right now because we devoted half a chapter to it.

[00:43:50] Well, I think all the way through Daniel, I've been saying this is just, all of this is

[00:43:54] absurd.

[00:43:55] Yeah.

[00:43:55] You know, like it's, I can't believe how unbelievable this is.

[00:44:00] And to have so much of this book attributed to the meaningfulness of the New Testament

[00:44:09] makes that basis absurd.

[00:44:12] Right.

[00:44:12] You know, like the whole thing is wrong.

[00:44:16] And it's just glaringly obvious to me.

[00:44:19] Um, the more that we read, the funnier and stupider it gets.

[00:44:23] And it makes me that much less inclined to feel the slightest bit spiritual or led by

[00:44:33] God or what the fuck ever.

[00:44:34] Well, yeah, it doesn't, there's nothing here that lends to a God.

[00:44:38] There's nothing here that lends to anything other than propaganda written hundreds of years

[00:44:42] after the fact.

[00:44:43] Right.

[00:44:44] And that's all it is.

[00:44:45] That's all it is.

[00:44:46] It just happens to be the papers that survived.

[00:44:48] Right.

[00:44:49] That somebody stapled together.

[00:44:51] Yeah.

[00:44:51] We attribute way too much meaning to this shit.

[00:44:54] Mm-hmm.

[00:44:55] Now, if you and I were just reading this because it's like interesting history, that would be

[00:45:00] cool.

[00:45:00] No, I, and again, I think we've said this before, but if it, if, if we were able to look at the

[00:45:05] Bible without the current context of what it means to our society and look at it strictly

[00:45:12] as a book from history, it could be interesting, right?

[00:45:17] It could be interesting because it does mention things that happened back then and how people

[00:45:22] felt about it.

[00:45:24] But when we're trying to attribute meaning to these things, that's where this whole thing

[00:45:29] breaks down and fails.

[00:45:30] Exactly.

[00:45:31] And I, I'm struggling with, you know, why this is even thought of as a book that is really

[00:45:38] important because it just doesn't, it, there's no, it doesn't make any fucking sense.

[00:45:43] It just doesn't.

[00:45:46] All right.

[00:45:47] Well, I think that's all we got.

[00:45:49] That is all we got.

[00:45:50] So that was Daniel chapter 11.

[00:45:52] Sure as fuck was.

[00:45:53] Which means that we'll be back tomorrow with Daniel chapter 12 and that will wrap up Daniel.

[00:46:01] Right.

[00:46:02] And then, and then we'll be doing some extracurricular Daniel on top after we get done with the Q

[00:46:06] and A.

[00:46:07] So that, that'll be fun too.

[00:46:08] Yep.

[00:46:09] All right.

[00:46:09] Well, we'll see you guys then.

[00:46:11] Bye.

[00:46:17] Do you know where the hell we are today?

[00:46:20] Well, yesterday we covered Daniel chapter 11.

[00:46:25] Sure as fuck did.

[00:46:25] And in that chapter, Daniel had a vision.

[00:46:32] Did he?

[00:46:33] He did.

[00:46:33] And how?

[00:46:34] And it was, it was a bit north and it was a bit south and it was a bit all over the fucking

[00:46:39] place with regard to future wars and conquerors and leaders.

[00:46:45] Antiochus.

[00:46:46] And he's and they's.

[00:46:48] And I don't even know what the fuck they were talking about.

[00:46:50] If we're to take it at the word of just the Bible.

[00:46:53] Now we did some research and found out that it was other things, which Antiochus, yes,

[00:46:57] was one of those things.

[00:46:58] I'm going to go with that one.

[00:47:00] At least if we're to take, you know, scholars point of view on this, this aspect or what

[00:47:04] have you.

[00:47:05] Now there might even be other interpretations that we are leaving out because who the fuck

[00:47:10] knows what we're talking about?

[00:47:11] Really?

[00:47:12] I do not know what the fuck we're talking about.

[00:47:14] I don't either.

[00:47:15] It was a mess.

[00:47:16] That's what it was.

[00:47:18] It really was.

[00:47:18] Yeah.

[00:47:18] Yeah.

[00:47:20] So much like the rest of Daniel, this felt very forced and very much like they had to cover

[00:47:28] certain things to promote what this guy, Daniel, who is already what we have regarded him as

[00:47:37] a fictional character.

[00:47:38] Right.

[00:47:38] Um, was able to prophecy through people that wrote this 400 years later that already saw

[00:47:45] this stuff happen.

[00:47:46] Right.

[00:47:47] Is that, is that about the gist of it?

[00:47:48] Yeah.

[00:47:49] I mean, I am trying to, I like, I don't really know what else to say about that chapter because

[00:47:55] it was, I hated it.

[00:47:56] I absolutely fucking hated it.

[00:47:58] I also hated it.

[00:47:59] It was horrible.

[00:48:00] It was bad.

[00:48:01] It was awful.

[00:48:02] Yeah.

[00:48:02] Well, then you'll like today.

[00:48:05] Oh, are you being facetious or?

[00:48:07] Well, it's short, so.

[00:48:10] Oh, okay.

[00:48:10] Okay.

[00:48:11] All right.

[00:48:11] Um, also just to, to state it since we, since today, what we're getting into is, uh, Daniel

[00:48:18] chapter 12.

[00:48:19] It's going to be officially the end of Daniel and the end of this, uh, vision that was four

[00:48:29] chapters long or whatever.

[00:48:30] Yeah.

[00:48:31] So, um, but we're not going to stop with Daniel there necessarily.

[00:48:34] Right.

[00:48:35] We are going to go on to, we're going to do a, uh, Q and a after this to cover the visions.

[00:48:42] Right.

[00:48:43] And the last week, yeah, the visions basically.

[00:48:45] Yeah.

[00:48:45] And then, um, we're going to go on to do the, the three books that were left out.

[00:48:51] The apocryphal ones.

[00:48:52] Right.

[00:48:53] Um, I don't remember what they're called and I know what I'm Susanna.

[00:48:56] Oh really?

[00:48:57] Cause I know one of them is Bella and the dragon.

[00:48:59] There you go.

[00:49:00] We got two of them.

[00:49:01] Two of the three.

[00:49:01] Three.

[00:49:01] Right.

[00:49:02] Yeah.

[00:49:02] I can't remember what the other one was called, but, um, we are going to cover those before

[00:49:05] we get out of the Daniel, uh, area, neighborhood place.

[00:49:10] The craziness.

[00:49:11] Sure.

[00:49:11] Yeah.

[00:49:11] That, um, so that being said, are you, uh, you ready to get into Daniel chapter 12?

[00:49:17] I sure as fuck am.

[00:49:18] All right.

[00:49:18] Let's do this.

[00:49:19] Okie dokie.

[00:49:25] All right.

[00:49:26] Let's finish up this bitch of a book called Daniel.

[00:49:29] Daniel.

[00:49:30] How's that sound?

[00:49:31] You didn't give your signature name.

[00:49:33] Dan I L.

[00:49:34] There you go.

[00:49:34] There you go.

[00:49:35] We can't leave it out on the last book or the last chapter.

[00:49:37] I mean, I know you're right.

[00:49:38] You're right.

[00:49:39] Well, the book of Daniel, as I have said with every chapter is two parter.

[00:49:46] And, uh, first Daniel was chapter one through six.

[00:49:51] Yeah.

[00:49:52] And those were court tales.

[00:49:53] They were history of, um, hi, my name is Daniel and I'm a kid and me and my buddies here, we're

[00:50:00] homies and we so believe in God.

[00:50:02] Yeah.

[00:50:03] Right.

[00:50:03] Right.

[00:50:04] So that was cute and fun.

[00:50:05] And then chapter seven through 12 was something else and fucking tirely.

[00:50:10] It sure was.

[00:50:11] Yeah.

[00:50:11] Sure was.

[00:50:12] It is, um, apocalyptic visions.

[00:50:15] It sure is.

[00:50:16] Yeah.

[00:50:17] Yeah.

[00:50:17] And I do not love it.

[00:50:19] Yeah.

[00:50:20] No, it's, uh, it's not great.

[00:50:21] There's, there's definitely been better stuff we've read in the Bible than this.

[00:50:25] And, and it's very, it's just so try hard.

[00:50:30] It really is.

[00:50:31] I can't get over how bad this is written and how forced these ideas are in there.

[00:50:39] They're just so ill placed in this book because they don't really.

[00:50:45] They're trying really hard to make this guy a prophet, right?

[00:50:48] Like they want to show how much, how much he's a prophet.

[00:50:51] He's listed as a prophet.

[00:50:52] I get it.

[00:50:53] I get it.

[00:50:53] But we know, we know from study, the people that have studied the Bible and, and, and told

[00:50:59] us that these were written much later, generally after these things all have happened.

[00:51:04] Right.

[00:51:05] That, so they're trying to take these things they already know and they're trying to shove

[00:51:09] them back into this fictional character of Daniel.

[00:51:11] Right.

[00:51:11] And make them work as this actual prophet that did these things.

[00:51:16] And it's the same thing that was kind of happening in the one through six, where they were overemphasizing

[00:51:23] how much God influenced like Nebuchadnezzar and, and different things that happened in those

[00:51:29] timeframes.

[00:51:29] Right.

[00:51:29] It's this, it's still all this propaganda about how great God was back then and how

[00:51:35] much prophecy he gave to this guy, Daniel, and how much, you know, influence he had over

[00:51:41] all these events that were happening back then.

[00:51:43] And it's just complete and utter bullshit.

[00:51:45] Right.

[00:51:46] That, that's all.

[00:51:47] I, sorry, I just had to go off one more time.

[00:51:48] One more time.

[00:51:49] Yeah.

[00:51:50] Last chance.

[00:51:50] Right.

[00:51:51] Yeah.

[00:51:51] All right.

[00:51:52] Let me do a quick, quick, quick recap.

[00:51:54] Chapters 10, 11, and 12 make up Daniel's final vision.

[00:51:57] Right.

[00:51:57] So that's what we're finishing up today.

[00:51:59] Okay.

[00:51:59] Describing a series of conflicts between the unnamed king of the north and king of the south

[00:52:05] leading to the quote, time of the end.

[00:52:10] Right.

[00:52:10] Right.

[00:52:10] When Israel will be vindicated and the dead raised, some to everlasting life and some to

[00:52:17] shame and everlasting contempt.

[00:52:19] Sure.

[00:52:20] Yeah.

[00:52:20] All right.

[00:52:21] Right.

[00:52:21] Okay.

[00:52:21] So there's that.

[00:52:23] All right.

[00:52:23] Let's get into chapter 12.

[00:52:25] Are you ready for this?

[00:52:26] I'm ready.

[00:52:27] Yeah.

[00:52:27] Okay.

[00:52:27] Well, I don't typically read the chapter titles anymore.

[00:52:32] Right.

[00:52:32] Because they are considered.

[00:52:34] They're not necessarily relevant.

[00:52:35] Yeah.

[00:52:35] They are part of the Bible.

[00:52:37] Right.

[00:52:37] But I got to read this one.

[00:52:39] Okay.

[00:52:39] The time of the end.

[00:52:41] Okay.

[00:52:42] At that time.

[00:52:43] The time of the end.

[00:52:45] Probably.

[00:52:45] I'm assuming.

[00:52:47] That time.

[00:52:47] Or that time that we just followed up from the last time.

[00:52:49] Yeah.

[00:52:49] That Daniel was hearing from the guy.

[00:52:53] Okay.

[00:52:54] The shiny guy who had been helped by Michael.

[00:52:56] Right.

[00:52:56] Who just recounted like 300, 400 years worth of history.

[00:53:00] Yeah.

[00:53:00] In one breath.

[00:53:01] Right.

[00:53:01] Yeah.

[00:53:02] Yeah.

[00:53:02] So at that time, Michael, the great prince who protects your people will arise.

[00:53:08] Okay.

[00:53:08] So this is still shiny dude talking.

[00:53:10] Yeah.

[00:53:10] Okay.

[00:53:10] Yeah.

[00:53:11] There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then.

[00:53:18] But what is funny is that they're still in the beginning of nations.

[00:53:22] They just don't know it.

[00:53:23] Right.

[00:53:23] Yeah.

[00:53:24] But at that time, your people, everyone whose name is found written in the book.

[00:53:31] You know, the book of truth.

[00:53:31] Is this the book of the?

[00:53:32] Well, okay.

[00:53:33] The book of truth.

[00:53:34] Sure.

[00:53:34] Are we sure that's the book?

[00:53:36] Because there's also that book where they put everybody's name and some people's name is going to be taken.

[00:53:40] Remember, it was back like during Moses's time.

[00:53:42] Well, I'm thinking as the book of truth because that's what they were just talking about in the previous chapter.

[00:53:49] Right.

[00:53:49] But they're also talking about names, which names.

[00:53:51] The only place I've heard that before was in the book of whatever.

[00:53:54] Maybe it's the same book.

[00:53:55] Is that the book of life?

[00:53:56] I don't remember what it was called before.

[00:53:58] Is the book of names, the book of truth, the book of life?

[00:54:00] The book.

[00:54:01] Who wrote the book of love?

[00:54:02] I don't.

[00:54:03] I mean, I don't think the Bible can tell us that.

[00:54:05] Absolutely not.

[00:54:06] Well, anyway, at that time, your people, all the people whose name are found written in whatever book.

[00:54:12] Sure.

[00:54:13] Those guys will be delivered.

[00:54:15] Okay.

[00:54:16] Yeah.

[00:54:16] Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake.

[00:54:20] Oh, we got zombies.

[00:54:21] Yeah, we do.

[00:54:22] What?

[00:54:22] Again.

[00:54:23] What?

[00:54:24] You know, there are so many fucking zombies in the Bible.

[00:54:27] It's ridiculous.

[00:54:28] I did not know.

[00:54:29] How many zombies are in the Bible?

[00:54:30] I did not know.

[00:54:31] No, I mean, I didn't know that.

[00:54:33] Look, I've heard the jokes about Jesus before.

[00:54:35] Yeah, because he was raised from the dead.

[00:54:37] Sure, sure.

[00:54:38] Everybody knows that zombie man, right?

[00:54:40] Everybody knows Jesus zombie.

[00:54:40] But there are a lot of actual bits about zombies in the Bible.

[00:54:44] I had no idea.

[00:54:45] And I'm just like, wow, this is a lot of...

[00:54:47] No wonder there's such a hang up about zombies in our culture.

[00:54:51] Right?

[00:54:51] I didn't know that it stemmed from the Bible, but it does.

[00:54:55] And that makes perfect sense.

[00:54:59] Every time I hear a zombie in the Bible, I think, oh, that's got to be the last one,

[00:55:03] right?

[00:55:04] Right.

[00:55:04] Yeah.

[00:55:05] And then it's not.

[00:55:05] Right.

[00:55:06] So, I mean, I know we got Jesus coming, but besides the Jesus zombie...

[00:55:10] Other than Jesus.

[00:55:11] Right.

[00:55:12] Do you think there's any more zombies?

[00:55:14] I'm going to go with at this point, yeah.

[00:55:15] Who even fucking knows?

[00:55:18] Right.

[00:55:19] Which I'm sure there's zombies in Revelation, right?

[00:55:21] There's everything else from what I understand.

[00:55:23] So, why not zombies?

[00:55:24] Yeah, I think there's like sword-handed Edward Scissorhands and a fucking dragon and stuff.

[00:55:30] Right.

[00:55:30] I don't know.

[00:55:31] Okay, so multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting

[00:55:36] life and others to shame, shame, shame, and everlasting contempt.

[00:55:42] So, either way, it's everlasting.

[00:55:44] Mm-hmm.

[00:55:44] Okay.

[00:55:45] You're going to suck forever or you're going to be awful forever.

[00:55:49] Got it.

[00:55:49] Got it.

[00:55:50] I'd rather just sleep.

[00:55:52] Thanks.

[00:55:52] Yeah.

[00:55:52] Can I just?

[00:55:53] Is this kind of...

[00:55:54] I can't remember if we've covered something like this before, but is this like a new take

[00:55:57] on afterlife here?

[00:55:59] Um, this is end of days.

[00:56:01] Right.

[00:56:01] But I'm saying like this specific take on how like either you're going to be tortured

[00:56:07] forever type thing or you're going to be raised up.

[00:56:10] Yeah.

[00:56:11] Is this specific?

[00:56:12] Because it feels...

[00:56:12] This feels closer to the heaven and hell bit, right?

[00:56:15] Yeah.

[00:56:15] Yeah.

[00:56:15] This is new.

[00:56:15] And so it does feel a little bit newer than some of the other takes on afterlife that

[00:56:21] we've covered thus far.

[00:56:22] Think about when this is written.

[00:56:23] We're getting closer to the time of Jesus.

[00:56:25] We are.

[00:56:26] We are.

[00:56:26] Yeah.

[00:56:27] Makes sense.

[00:56:27] Okay.

[00:56:27] Um, the more quote unquote civilized, the more city hubs, the more that people settle down

[00:56:34] and, and stop, um, you know, traveling with tents and animals and stuff.

[00:56:41] Right.

[00:56:41] Um, the more that cities are building up, the more that, um, people want retribution and,

[00:56:50] um, like, like there's more interaction between each of each people and their neighbor.

[00:56:57] Right.

[00:56:57] Okay.

[00:56:58] Yeah.

[00:56:58] And so they're wanting, they're going to want to, to blame like, Hey, my next door neighbor

[00:57:05] just did a fucking thing and they need to go to hell for that.

[00:57:09] They need to be punished.

[00:57:10] Well, I, and I think we see this in society today that people enjoy the idea that people

[00:57:16] that they don't like or hate are going to suffer forever.

[00:57:20] Like that's, I mean, I actually have been the target on, on social media from people who,

[00:57:26] you know, quote that hate atheists because we're not Christian.

[00:57:29] Right.

[00:57:29] Yeah.

[00:57:29] Or, or whatever.

[00:57:30] They enjoy the idea that you're going to burn in hell.

[00:57:34] Yeah.

[00:57:34] Which is just sickening to me that someone enjoys that idea, but you know, whatever.

[00:57:40] Right.

[00:57:41] That's weird.

[00:57:43] It really is.

[00:57:44] I'm like, so you're the one who would ask then what is keeping you from murdering people?

[00:57:51] If not God, like I get why you would ask that if you are standing over there enjoying the

[00:57:57] idea that I will burn in hell forever.

[00:58:00] Right.

[00:58:00] No, I've, I've, I've actually had some people tell me that they would do all the bad things

[00:58:05] if it wasn't for their God.

[00:58:07] And I'm like, I believe that is actually really disturbing.

[00:58:11] Yeah.

[00:58:11] My guy.

[00:58:12] I feel like, I feel like there should be some kind of psychological test to be allowed to

[00:58:19] human.

[00:58:20] You know what I mean?

[00:58:21] Sure.

[00:58:22] Like, I, I feel like there should be a way to be like, Hey, this guy just told me that

[00:58:29] he would kill people if it wasn't for religion.

[00:58:32] Right.

[00:58:33] That that's the only reason his fear of God or his love and fear of God is the only thing

[00:58:39] keeping him from raping people.

[00:58:42] I'm running over kittens.

[00:58:43] I think that that is a mental health cry is what it is.

[00:58:47] Yeah.

[00:58:47] You know, like that person really needs some mental health experts to examine, examine them

[00:58:53] and help them.

[00:58:54] Terrifying though.

[00:58:55] And, and, and part of this could actually stem from their religious, you know, indoctrination

[00:59:03] and, and belief systems and all that.

[00:59:05] Like, I know of people who they're the, the, the things that they believe, um, made worse

[00:59:15] things that were not mentally stable.

[00:59:18] Ah, you know what I'm saying?

[00:59:20] Yeah.

[00:59:20] Like I've, I've known people actually close to me that have had problems that caused things

[00:59:26] like that where it was not great, you know?

[00:59:29] So it was not great.

[00:59:31] No, I'm just, I don't want to, you know, I'm, I'm not going to dig into what I, what I'm saying,

[00:59:35] what I'm thinking about, but I mean, it is, I feel like it can make worse things that

[00:59:41] could already be bad.

[00:59:42] Um, one thing that's interesting is, um, and I'm talking out of my ass here, I'd have to

[00:59:47] research to find the study, but what you're talking about is religion exacerbating a mental

[00:59:55] illness or a mental health situation.

[00:59:57] Sure.

[00:59:58] Um, what I have also read is that people in mental health crisis, like with, um, borderline

[01:00:05] personality disorder or other forms of psychosis, um, not schizophrenia, cause they don't call

[01:00:11] it that anymore.

[01:00:12] I forget.

[01:00:13] Um, anyway, other types of personality disorders and mental health crises can also bring on a

[01:00:21] sudden faith in God.

[01:00:23] Hmm.

[01:00:24] Okay.

[01:00:24] Like suddenly somebody in crisis like finds God and becomes like super crazy religious.

[01:00:30] Got it.

[01:00:31] Yeah.

[01:00:31] That's, that's interesting.

[01:00:33] Yeah.

[01:00:33] I mean, I look, there's all kinds of things out there, but I, I, I still feel like even

[01:00:39] if that person had no religious upbringing and that happened to them, religion is still

[01:00:44] part of culture, part of our worldview that we have as a society.

[01:00:50] And even if you were not indoctrinated in it and not, and didn't really have much to do

[01:00:54] with religion at all to begin with, if you are having mental health issues, it could still

[01:01:00] end up being something that stems from that, that becomes a, you know, focus that you focus

[01:01:07] on, you know, just because of culture, because of the world around you.

[01:01:11] Yeah.

[01:01:12] So, you know, it's not good as you would say.

[01:01:16] Yeah.

[01:01:17] Right.

[01:01:18] I, I, it, it, there, there would be something else that would take its place if it wasn't

[01:01:22] for that.

[01:01:23] Right.

[01:01:23] So, I mean, I don't want to say that it's not good specifically because someone who has

[01:01:27] mental health issues chooses religion to focus on.

[01:01:30] There would be other things that they might choose to focus on.

[01:01:32] Couldn't you just focus on like scrapbooking?

[01:01:36] I don't know.

[01:01:38] All right.

[01:01:38] So, those who are wise of the people rising from the dead, I don't know.

[01:01:44] Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens and those who lead many to righteousness

[01:01:51] like the stars forever and ever.

[01:01:55] But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end.

[01:02:01] Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.

[01:02:05] Okay.

[01:02:06] So, he's.

[01:02:06] Oh, so he's saying.

[01:02:08] Don't tell.

[01:02:09] Store this information for future people.

[01:02:11] He's like.

[01:02:11] For future people to read.

[01:02:12] Write this down, but lock it up.

[01:02:14] Got it.

[01:02:15] Yeah.

[01:02:15] Okay.

[01:02:16] I don't know why they would.

[01:02:18] I'm writing down that I'm not writing this down.

[01:02:21] What?

[01:02:21] Well, I mean, if you, if, so if you're a person writing this 400 years later, right, you

[01:02:25] have to have a reason why it's just now coming out that this person wrote this,

[01:02:29] right?

[01:02:29] That is true.

[01:02:29] This seems like an excuse as to why it's just now coming out.

[01:02:33] Okay.

[01:02:33] I follow.

[01:02:34] Yeah.

[01:02:34] Sorry.

[01:02:35] I wasn't there.

[01:02:36] I was still trying to make sense of, but the dead.

[01:02:40] Right.

[01:02:40] Then I, Daniel, looked and there before me stood two others.

[01:02:46] One on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank.

[01:02:50] Okay.

[01:02:51] So like here, there, opposites.

[01:02:54] Right.

[01:02:54] One of them said to the man clothed in linen, my shiny guy.

[01:02:58] Yeah.

[01:02:58] Who was above the waters of the river.

[01:03:01] How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?

[01:03:04] Yeah.

[01:03:05] How long, Daniel?

[01:03:06] That is, that is a good question.

[01:03:07] I bet.

[01:03:08] I bet you might know the answer actually.

[01:03:09] Shiny guy.

[01:03:10] Do you know?

[01:03:11] Shiny guy?

[01:03:12] Yeah.

[01:03:12] Okay.

[01:03:13] Okay.

[01:03:13] Okay.

[01:03:13] How long is it going to be?

[01:03:14] The man clothed in linen who was above the waters of the river lifted his right hand

[01:03:19] and his left hand toward heaven.

[01:03:21] Okay.

[01:03:22] And I heard him swear by him who lives forever.

[01:03:25] Would that be the ancient of days?

[01:03:27] Probably.

[01:03:28] Saying it will be for a time, times, and half a time.

[01:03:33] Oh my God.

[01:03:33] Right?

[01:03:34] I can't spell it out.

[01:03:37] That would be too easy.

[01:03:40] Right.

[01:03:40] I have to be cryptic.

[01:03:43] Yes.

[01:03:43] Okay.

[01:03:44] Okay.

[01:03:44] I see you over there, shiny man.

[01:03:47] Okay.

[01:03:48] When the power of the holy people, continued shiny guy, has been finally broken, all these

[01:03:54] things will be completed.

[01:03:55] Okay.

[01:03:56] Wait, what?

[01:03:56] The power of the holy people has finally been broken?

[01:03:59] I'm sure that was something to do with one of the visions that we've talked about maybe.

[01:04:03] Okay.

[01:04:03] Because there was something to do with the, like when Antiochus or whatever.

[01:04:11] Yeah.

[01:04:11] When it was like the, he was going to break, I don't know.

[01:04:15] Shit.

[01:04:15] There's so much going on.

[01:04:16] I can't hardly keep track of it all.

[01:04:18] It's true.

[01:04:18] But I'm sure it has some tie in with some of the visions that we've talked about already

[01:04:22] or whatever.

[01:04:23] I'll try to figure it out in a Q&A tomorrow.

[01:04:25] That would be fantastic.

[01:04:26] Because I got nothing here.

[01:04:27] Yeah.

[01:04:28] I heard, but I did not understand, me, Daniel.

[01:04:32] Mm-hmm.

[01:04:32] So I asked, my lord, what will the outcome of all this be?

[01:04:37] You know, since you can't fucking answer my question as to, but when though?

[01:04:41] Yeah.

[01:04:41] Right?

[01:04:41] Right.

[01:04:42] He replied, go your way, Daniel.

[01:04:45] Because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end.

[01:04:49] Many will be purified, made spotless and refined.

[01:04:52] But the wicked will continue to be wicked.

[01:04:56] I mean, he sounds so exacerbated that I'm just not, that's not the word.

[01:05:03] Exasperated.

[01:05:04] Right.

[01:05:04] I'm so sorry.

[01:05:05] I lost my words for a minute.

[01:05:07] I'm getting worse with age, you know?

[01:05:10] I sound like fucking Trump.

[01:05:11] Ugh.

[01:05:12] Okay.

[01:05:13] Anyway, many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to

[01:05:18] be wicked.

[01:05:19] None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.

[01:05:23] Okay?

[01:05:24] Okay.

[01:05:25] He's like saying, don't worry about it.

[01:05:27] Sure.

[01:05:28] From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation

[01:05:34] is set up.

[01:05:34] That's specifically what we're talking about.

[01:05:36] Yeah.

[01:05:36] Antiochus here.

[01:05:37] Antiochus.

[01:05:37] Right.

[01:05:38] Okay.

[01:05:38] There will be 1,290 days.

[01:05:42] Okay.

[01:05:43] Oh, okay.

[01:05:44] So that's very specific.

[01:05:45] Yeah.

[01:05:46] Okay.

[01:05:46] And, okay.

[01:05:48] Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.

[01:05:56] Okay.

[01:05:57] As for you.

[01:05:58] What's the gap there?

[01:06:00] I have no fucking idea.

[01:06:01] Okay.

[01:06:01] All right.

[01:06:01] As for you, Daniel, go your way till the end.

[01:06:04] You will rest, and then at the end of the days, you will rise to receive your allotted

[01:06:11] inheritance.

[01:06:11] The end.

[01:06:12] Hmm.

[01:06:13] So it sounds like we have some somewhat specific time frames here that don't exactly line up

[01:06:23] with those 70-week, 70-year things that we get later.

[01:06:27] The sevens of seven?

[01:06:27] Because a lot of people tie in Antiochus as this person that they're talking about.

[01:06:33] And if we're talking about Antiochus and then only 1,000 or 1,300 days after the end

[01:06:38] of that, then that keeps us very much in the realm of not Jesus.

[01:06:44] I don't know.

[01:06:46] Well, I'm just, you know.

[01:06:47] I need to do more studying because I am very confused.

[01:06:53] I'm just saying that if we're basing this off of Antiochus and the life of Antiochus,

[01:06:59] right?

[01:07:00] If we go, let's just take the time that he dies, which I don't know when it was exactly,

[01:07:05] but I know that no matter what time he died, within that lifetime that he had, it couldn't

[01:07:12] have equated to enough time to get to Jesus with 1,000 or 1,300 days.

[01:07:17] Right.

[01:07:18] Unless we're making 1,300 days and 1,000 days, 1,000 years and 1,300 years, which we've

[01:07:24] done before with weeks.

[01:07:25] So, you know, just who knows?

[01:07:27] Like I said, somebody did some math that made it, like, exactly work.

[01:07:31] I'm going to try to find that because that was fun.

[01:07:33] I don't believe in it or anything.

[01:07:35] Right, right.

[01:07:36] And they really did some twisting.

[01:07:38] Right.

[01:07:38] But it was fun to make it, like, line up.

[01:07:40] But I am specifically curious about the discrepancy.

[01:07:45] Right.

[01:07:45] In those days.

[01:07:46] Like, what happened between...

[01:07:48] What's the 1290 versus the 1335?

[01:07:50] Right.

[01:07:50] Like, I don't get it.

[01:07:51] What are those...

[01:07:51] Is that 45?

[01:07:53] Yeah, 45 days.

[01:07:54] What do those 45 days entail?

[01:07:55] I have no idea.

[01:07:57] What's up with that?

[01:07:58] I need to know.

[01:07:59] Like, that needs to be in our Q&A.

[01:08:01] Yeah, no, I totally agree.

[01:08:02] I totally agree.

[01:08:04] I'm just...

[01:08:04] I'm having a hard time making all of this work, quite honestly.

[01:08:07] Yeah, no, I don't think there is any making this work for us as we read the Bible.

[01:08:12] Right.

[01:08:13] The Bible, as it reads, is stupid.

[01:08:15] No, it's just, it's making me learn a lot of history.

[01:08:18] And the history itself is interesting, but I...

[01:08:23] And I probably wouldn't have learned it any other way, so I'm glad it's being forced upon me.

[01:08:27] Sure.

[01:08:28] But also, I kind of resent that I'm having to learn so much history this way.

[01:08:32] What I resent is that by the time you get done learning about the history that scholars say that this is supposed to be, someone else is going to be like, well, that's not actually what it means.

[01:08:43] Right.

[01:08:43] You know what I mean?

[01:08:44] Like, there are different interpretations even of this.

[01:08:47] Yeah.

[01:08:47] And so, like, we can all somewhat agree that it probably points to this, but when that doesn't fulfill someone else's need in some other sect or group of religions...

[01:08:59] Right.

[01:09:00] ...they're going to be like, well, that didn't actually mean that specifically.

[01:09:04] It's possibly something that happens later.

[01:09:06] And it's like, okay, so the vagueness in the Bible allows you to make this mean whatever the fuck you want it to mean.

[01:09:13] Mm-hmm.

[01:09:13] And you don't give a shit about what was actually happening.

[01:09:17] Right.

[01:09:17] And we're just going to pretend like it means whatever you want it to mean.

[01:09:20] Right.

[01:09:21] And that's what they're actually saying.

[01:09:22] They don't want it to mean this thing.

[01:09:24] They're going to make it mean something else.

[01:09:27] And when you do that, it doesn't matter what it is.

[01:09:30] It doesn't matter what you've made it.

[01:09:31] So at that point, the conversation's over.

[01:09:34] Yeah, basically.

[01:09:35] I mean...

[01:09:35] Basically, yeah.

[01:09:36] I mean, you can't have a conversation with someone who just like rips out everything that they want and just creates something on their own.

[01:09:44] Mm-hmm.

[01:09:44] Like that...

[01:09:44] You can't...

[01:09:45] There is no conversation to be had.

[01:09:46] No, that's when you just go, oh, okay.

[01:09:49] And then you just walk away.

[01:09:51] Right.

[01:09:52] Like, all right.

[01:09:53] I get it now.

[01:09:55] Okay.

[01:09:56] Right.

[01:09:56] Yeah.

[01:09:56] You're one of those.

[01:09:57] Sure, sure.

[01:09:58] Okay.

[01:09:59] All right.

[01:10:00] Well, anyway, do you have anything else to add or was that going to be it for today?

[01:10:04] That was going to be it for today.

[01:10:05] I only took a few notes and I thought rather than try to go over this short chapter, I would just save it.

[01:10:14] Save it for the Q&A.

[01:10:14] And, yeah, we'll just go over this final vision as our Q&A.

[01:10:18] Yeah, I like that.

[01:10:19] It'll be chapters 10, 11, and 12.

[01:10:23] Yeah.

[01:10:23] I think.

[01:10:23] Right.

[01:10:24] That sounds right.

[01:10:25] Yeah.

[01:10:25] And we've had some long chapters, so we'll give everybody a break with a short chapter today.

[01:10:29] Yeah.

[01:10:29] Sounds good to me.

[01:10:30] Sounds good to me, too.

[01:10:31] All right.

[01:10:31] Well, that was Daniel chapter 12.

[01:10:34] Sure as fuck was.

[01:10:35] And officially the last canonical book of Daniel.

[01:10:39] Yes.

[01:10:39] So we have finished yet another.

[01:10:42] Book of the Bible.

[01:10:43] That's right.

[01:10:44] But we have some extracurricular involved with this book that we're going to cover here.

[01:10:48] So we will be back tomorrow with.

[01:10:52] Q&A.

[01:10:53] Not on Saturday.

[01:10:54] Right.

[01:10:55] And then we'll be back the following days with the following, the non-canonical.

[01:11:00] Yeah.

[01:11:00] The apocryphal books of Daniel.

[01:11:04] Yes.

[01:11:04] So we'll be following that up.

[01:11:05] And those apocryphal books may or may not be apocalyptic.

[01:11:10] I don't know what's in them.

[01:11:11] For those of you who have been following us in the book of Daniel, know where that stems from.

[01:11:15] Yes.

[01:11:15] So anyway.

[01:11:16] And then we'll do our regular chapter or book wrap up and.

[01:11:21] Contradictions.

[01:11:23] And you're always wrong.

[01:11:24] Yeah.

[01:11:24] Yeah.

[01:11:25] We'll do all those things when we get to the end of those.

[01:11:27] So we will see you tomorrow.

[01:11:31] Yeah.

[01:11:31] Bye.

[01:11:32] Bye.

[01:11:38] Wife.

[01:11:39] Do you know what today we're doing?

[01:11:42] Do I know what today we're doing?

[01:11:44] Do you know what we're doing today?

[01:11:46] Yes.

[01:11:47] We are.

[01:11:48] We just finished with the regular book of Daniel.

[01:11:53] But right now we're doing something that's not normally done on this day.

[01:11:56] And yet even with that, it's doing we're doing this a day late, which this week's all kinds of fucked up.

[01:12:02] We're not doing it a day late.

[01:12:03] Well, we missed yesterday.

[01:12:05] We missed yesterday.

[01:12:05] No, it would have gone out this morning.

[01:12:07] Right.

[01:12:08] Well, it's by the time people see this, it will already be the next day.

[01:12:12] Okay.

[01:12:12] Yeah.

[01:12:12] Got it.

[01:12:13] Still late.

[01:12:13] Yep.

[01:12:14] Okay.

[01:12:14] So we're doing the.

[01:12:16] We are doing a Q&A, but only over three chapters.

[01:12:21] And it's not on Saturday because it's about Daniel's final vision.

[01:12:27] Right.

[01:12:29] Yes.

[01:12:30] Yeah.

[01:12:31] Ha.

[01:12:31] Ha.

[01:12:32] Ha.

[01:12:32] So.

[01:12:33] We're covering Daniel chapters 10, 11, and 12 and answering some questions and making some sense out of that final vision, which was those three.

[01:12:45] My understanding is this is going to be a doozy.

[01:12:46] It really is because we've got some dates and historical things that happened and some answers to some of the questions we had and et cetera.

[01:12:58] Suddenly, I'm also curious about the origin of the word doozy.

[01:13:02] Me too.

[01:13:02] Me too.

[01:13:03] But like, where the fuck did that come from?

[01:13:04] I don't know.

[01:13:04] But I said it over the weekend because, oh, with regard to Project 2025.

[01:13:11] Yeah.

[01:13:12] I said, it's a doozy.

[01:13:14] And at the same time I said it, I was like, what is a doozy?

[01:13:18] Right.

[01:13:18] Yeah.

[01:13:18] No, that's just one of the.

[01:13:19] Yeah.

[01:13:20] Weird.

[01:13:21] I'm just curious.

[01:13:22] We'll have to look that up at some point.

[01:13:23] Yes, we will have to do that.

[01:13:25] Yeah.

[01:13:25] Yeah.

[01:13:25] All right.

[01:13:26] Are you ready to start the Q&A?

[01:13:28] Yeah.

[01:13:28] Let's do this.

[01:13:29] Okie dokie.

[01:13:35] All right.

[01:13:35] Let's hop into this Daniel vision.

[01:13:38] Okay.

[01:13:39] Okay.

[01:13:40] Yeah.

[01:13:40] So in chapter 10, verse 1, it says, in the third year of Cyrus, king of Persia, a revelation was given to Daniel.

[01:13:49] Okay.

[01:13:50] Yeah.

[01:13:50] Just want to let you know that by this time, the first wave of exiles had returned under the leadership of Zerubbabel.

[01:13:58] Okay.

[01:13:58] All right.

[01:13:59] And that was discussed in Ezra chapters 1 and 2.

[01:14:03] Got it.

[01:14:03] Okay.

[01:14:03] Yeah.

[01:14:04] So we already kind of knew that, but don't always put these things together.

[01:14:08] Sure.

[01:14:09] And that's what I'm trying to do a little bit of here.

[01:14:11] Okay.

[01:14:11] Okay.

[01:14:12] So verse 2 says, at that time, I, Daniel, mourned for three weeks.

[01:14:17] And we were like, why the fucking mourning?

[01:14:19] That makes no fucking sense.

[01:14:21] He may have been in mourning because so few Jews have returned with Ezra from exile.

[01:14:27] Okay.

[01:14:27] Okay.

[01:14:27] And then one of our questions was, why didn't Daniel go back?

[01:14:31] Did he?

[01:14:31] He didn't.

[01:14:32] Because he was so old at that point.

[01:14:34] Got it.

[01:14:35] Okay.

[01:14:35] He didn't go back with Ezra's group of exiles because he was like 84 years old.

[01:14:38] Right.

[01:14:39] By then.

[01:14:39] Yeah.

[01:14:40] And not only that.

[01:14:41] Also, he was kind of powerful too.

[01:14:42] Yeah.

[01:14:42] And that was the other point.

[01:14:44] He could serve better from his high position in government than he could going back to Jerusalem.

[01:14:50] Right.

[01:14:51] So he was old and in power.

[01:14:53] Sure.

[01:14:54] Okay.

[01:14:54] Now here's another reason Daniel may have been in mourning.

[01:14:57] Okay.

[01:14:57] Because Ezra faced so much opposition in rebuilding the temple.

[01:15:02] Oh.

[01:15:03] Okay.

[01:15:03] So I don't know.

[01:15:04] Those are various reasons why Dan I.L. might have been all crying.

[01:15:09] Got it.

[01:15:09] Okay.

[01:15:10] So the short answer is we don't know for sure.

[01:15:12] Right.

[01:15:13] Okay.

[01:15:13] Exactly.

[01:15:14] Yeah.

[01:15:14] But he did have a lot to cry about.

[01:15:15] So, you know.

[01:15:17] Right.

[01:15:17] Could have been any or all of those things.

[01:15:19] Right.

[01:15:19] Right.

[01:15:19] Right.

[01:15:19] All right.

[01:15:19] Verse five says, I looked up and there before me was a man dressed in linen.

[01:15:24] Okay.

[01:15:25] Okay.

[01:15:25] So here's the thing.

[01:15:26] When we were reading that, we were like, whoa, is it an angel?

[01:15:30] It's a shiny dude.

[01:15:31] What is he?

[01:15:32] And then remember I told you at the time, some people say it's Jesus, even though Jesus hasn't

[01:15:37] been born yet.

[01:15:38] It's the God Jesus.

[01:15:39] Oh, is that one of the things?

[01:15:41] Some Christians.

[01:15:42] Okay.

[01:15:43] Yeah.

[01:15:43] They claim that this is Jesus.

[01:15:46] First, because he is shiny and special and he knows things about the future.

[01:15:49] Right.

[01:15:50] That's obvious.

[01:15:51] Okay.

[01:15:52] Another thing is because of a similar description of a shiny celestial dude in the book of Revelation.

[01:15:58] Ah.

[01:15:58] Okay.

[01:15:58] But here's the thing.

[01:16:00] This guy's like, I was held back by some other celestial being.

[01:16:04] Right.

[01:16:05] Yeah.

[01:16:05] And Jesus.

[01:16:06] No, it wasn't celestial being.

[01:16:07] It was a Persian king.

[01:16:08] Prince of Persia.

[01:16:09] Yeah.

[01:16:09] Yeah.

[01:16:09] You're right.

[01:16:10] But Jesus wouldn't need the assistance of Michael, whereas our shiny guy does.

[01:16:15] Okay.

[01:16:15] Hypothetically.

[01:16:16] I don't know what makes Jesus strong.

[01:16:18] Like, because it's God.

[01:16:20] Yeah.

[01:16:20] Because Jesus is God and God can't possibly be held back by the Prince of Persia.

[01:16:25] Except that they killed Jesus.

[01:16:26] So he's not that strong.

[01:16:27] Well, Jesus hasn't been born yet.

[01:16:29] Right.

[01:16:29] But I'm saying.

[01:16:29] Also, but Jesus dying was part of God's ineffable plan.

[01:16:35] He came here to die.

[01:16:36] But him dying does not do a lot to claim that he is like, you know.

[01:16:40] Strong.

[01:16:41] Right.

[01:16:41] Right.

[01:16:41] Well, I don't know.

[01:16:43] I'm just telling you what the notes.

[01:16:44] Okay.

[01:16:44] What I found.

[01:16:45] All right.

[01:16:46] Okay.

[01:16:46] They're like, no, our shiny guy needs help.

[01:16:48] Jesus would never need help except for when he does.

[01:16:51] Okay.

[01:16:51] So, again, more confusion.

[01:16:53] Right.

[01:16:54] So.

[01:16:54] Most likely it's some unnamed angel of very high rank.

[01:16:58] But not as high as Michael.

[01:17:00] Because Michael's the one who helps them.

[01:17:02] But that can be detained by humans.

[01:17:03] Right.

[01:17:04] Okay.

[01:17:04] Okay.

[01:17:05] Yeah.

[01:17:06] Verse 13 says, but the prince of Persian kingdom, of the Persian kingdom, resisted me 21 days.

[01:17:13] Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me because I was detained there with the king of Persia.

[01:17:19] Yeah.

[01:17:20] So, this prince wasn't just an ordinary guy, given that he could stand up to the angelic messenger that God had sent to Daniel.

[01:17:28] Right.

[01:17:29] Yeah.

[01:17:29] So, if he could do that, he was not just a mere human.

[01:17:32] He clearly had some kind of magical or angelic being assisting him or was one himself.

[01:17:39] Okay.

[01:17:39] And since he was working against God's message, he was obviously some kind of evil or fallen angel.

[01:17:47] So, some people would see this as like satanic forces.

[01:17:51] Yeah.

[01:17:51] People that are, if you're studying the Bible and knowing the history of the world you're reading about, you might say that this is other gods.

[01:18:01] Yes.

[01:18:01] Right?

[01:18:02] Because that is a thing that kind of keeps popping up in the Old Testament.

[01:18:05] Right.

[01:18:06] So, whoever it was, I mean, whoever was the prince of Persia, I mean, clearly it was a human, I think.

[01:18:13] Well, yeah.

[01:18:14] Within the story, though, was being assisted by some kind of evil forces that were trying to block the answer to Daniel's three weeks of prayer.

[01:18:22] I feel like the fact that this happened, right?

[01:18:25] Mm-hmm.

[01:18:26] If they're claiming that this celestial being got detained by the prince of Persia, it kind of requires a little bit more explanation than the Bible gave it.

[01:18:35] Yeah, I agree.

[01:18:36] Right?

[01:18:36] I mean, like, that's...

[01:18:37] It's so, like, randomly stuck in there.

[01:18:40] Right.

[01:18:40] So, I mean, like, apologists are hypothesizing what the answer might be, right?

[01:18:45] Right.

[01:18:45] Because there's not a lot to go on.

[01:18:47] Right.

[01:18:47] And they don't want to make God seem weak, so they're like, well, it could be this, it could be that.

[01:18:53] Well, and everything presupposes that the Israelites are the good guys.

[01:18:58] Sure.

[01:18:59] Yeah, right.

[01:18:59] So, I mean, for all we know, the Israelites are actually the bad guys.

[01:19:04] I think sometimes they were.

[01:19:05] Oh, yeah, definitely.

[01:19:06] Yeah.

[01:19:07] And maybe this angel was the fallen one.

[01:19:11] And, like, I don't know, like, our story is just from one perspective, and maybe it's exactly the wrong perspective.

[01:19:19] Right.

[01:19:19] Like, everybody thinks they're the hero of their own story.

[01:19:21] Right, right.

[01:19:22] And to be fair, like, so, to put this in, like, current context, right?

[01:19:27] Mm-hmm.

[01:19:28] I mean, there's not...

[01:19:29] You could...

[01:19:30] We talk about the politics in the Bible all the time.

[01:19:33] Yeah.

[01:19:33] Right?

[01:19:34] Yeah.

[01:19:34] You and I do.

[01:19:35] Right.

[01:19:35] Yeah, we do.

[01:19:36] Mm-hmm.

[01:19:37] And right now, going on in Israel and Palestine, there is the, you know, the Israelites are kind of the bad guys.

[01:19:44] Yeah.

[01:19:45] I totally agree.

[01:19:45] You know, that whole scenario...

[01:19:47] Mm-hmm.

[01:19:47] I'm not saying that they started it.

[01:19:49] They didn't start it.

[01:19:50] Not this time, anyways.

[01:19:51] And they weren't the original bad guys.

[01:19:53] There was a group of people that was bad.

[01:19:55] That caused, you know, retribution to be had.

[01:19:59] But the amount has made Israel the bad guys.

[01:20:01] Yeah.

[01:20:02] Right?

[01:20:02] Yeah.

[01:20:02] And so...

[01:20:04] Yes, they have the right to defend themselves, but they don't have the right to genocide.

[01:20:10] Hello?

[01:20:11] Right.

[01:20:12] But this is more about politics than it is about the Israel...

[01:20:15] Yeah.

[01:20:15] ...the people in Israel.

[01:20:16] Yeah.

[01:20:17] Yeah.

[01:20:17] Generally, there's people in Israel that disagree with what's going on, just like there is in

[01:20:20] the United States.

[01:20:21] Mm-hmm.

[01:20:21] So it's not about the people.

[01:20:24] It's about the politics.

[01:20:25] Right.

[01:20:25] And it always is about the politics.

[01:20:28] Right.

[01:20:28] That's always what it is.

[01:20:29] Exactly.

[01:20:30] So, anyway.

[01:20:31] Moving on.

[01:20:32] Yeah.

[01:20:32] In verse 21, it says, but first I will tell you what is written in the book of truth.

[01:20:36] Right.

[01:20:37] And we were like, the fuck is a book of truth?

[01:20:39] Yeah.

[01:20:40] All right.

[01:20:40] So I did a little bit of research.

[01:20:43] You looked up the truth on the truth?

[01:20:45] I found the truth.

[01:20:46] Okay.

[01:20:47] Yeah.

[01:20:47] All right.

[01:20:47] The book of truth is understood to be a divine record or heavenly scroll that contains...

[01:20:54] So it's not actually a book.

[01:20:55] Okay.

[01:20:55] That contains God's plans, purposes, and knowledge of future events.

[01:20:59] Oh.

[01:21:00] It represents the ultimate truth and reality of what is to come.

[01:21:05] Hmm.

[01:21:05] Okay.

[01:21:05] So this angel speaking to Daniel refers to this book to emphasize that the events and prophecies

[01:21:10] he is revealing are part of a larger divine plan that has already been set down and thus

[01:21:16] will certainly come to pass.

[01:21:19] So this is...

[01:21:21] If we're to believe that this is what that is, right?

[01:21:23] Mm-hmm.

[01:21:24] That would mean that God has an anethical plan that is laid out in advance well before things

[01:21:30] happen.

[01:21:30] Mm-hmm.

[01:21:30] Right?

[01:21:31] Yeah.

[01:21:31] So that means that God literally plans all the shit that happens in the world, which also

[01:21:40] takes away your ability to have free will, right?

[01:21:43] In which people, you know, Christians will argue all day with you about how they have

[01:21:46] free will.

[01:21:47] Right.

[01:21:47] But they choose to follow Jesus, right?

[01:21:49] Yeah.

[01:21:50] And it's like, well, but if there's an ineffable plan, it doesn't really fucking matter.

[01:21:54] You didn't choose that.

[01:21:55] You didn't choose that.

[01:21:55] Yeah.

[01:21:56] Right?

[01:21:56] And look, it's semantics.

[01:21:59] I don't really fucking give a shit, honestly.

[01:22:01] But it's a bad argument is what you're saying.

[01:22:03] It's a bad argument.

[01:22:03] Yeah.

[01:22:03] Yeah.

[01:22:04] Yeah.

[01:22:04] And this, moreover, it doesn't really lend to the forgiving nature of God, right?

[01:22:12] Right.

[01:22:12] God is literally causing war and famine and death and murder and all the bad things God

[01:22:20] is causing.

[01:22:20] Yeah.

[01:22:21] Because he has it written down already in the book of truth, apparently.

[01:22:25] Yep.

[01:22:25] That's fucked up.

[01:22:26] That is pretty fucked up.

[01:22:27] Like...

[01:22:28] If we're to believe in a God, this God.

[01:22:30] That author is worse than anything that came up in Stephen King's imagination.

[01:22:35] Right.

[01:22:36] Yeah.

[01:22:36] And Stephen King's imagination is pretty out there.

[01:22:39] Right.

[01:22:39] All right.

[01:22:40] But let me continue on because I got more to say about this book of truth.

[01:22:43] Okay.

[01:22:43] All right.

[01:22:43] Okay.

[01:22:43] It's not an actual physical book, but rather a symbolic reference to God's foreknowledge

[01:22:49] and his sovereign will over history.

[01:22:51] Okay.

[01:22:52] Okay.

[01:22:52] The concept of a divine record or heavenly book is introduced earlier in the Bible, although

[01:22:58] the exact phrase book of truth is unique to Daniel 10, 21.

[01:23:03] Okay.

[01:23:04] So...

[01:23:05] One more point to this, and that's that why would God get mad at the Israelites if he had

[01:23:10] already known what they were going to do?

[01:23:11] Because it's all silly.

[01:23:13] Right.

[01:23:14] No, I'm just...

[01:23:14] No, but you're right.

[01:23:15] That is not something that would happen, right?

[01:23:18] You're like so mad that the chapter that you wrote went the way you wrote it.

[01:23:23] Right.

[01:23:24] OMG.

[01:23:25] That literally makes no sense.

[01:23:26] Right.

[01:23:26] None.

[01:23:27] Why are you mad, brah?

[01:23:28] You're the one that wrote it.

[01:23:29] Right.

[01:23:30] Stab.

[01:23:31] Even if he just knows the events, right?

[01:23:34] Right.

[01:23:35] If he knows the events, then he already knows that these things are going to happen.

[01:23:38] So why are you mad?

[01:23:39] Right.

[01:23:40] So why are you mad?

[01:23:40] Yeah.

[01:23:41] That doesn't make sense.

[01:23:42] It doesn't make sense.

[01:23:44] Okay.

[01:23:44] Right.

[01:23:44] I'm sorry.

[01:23:45] All right.

[01:23:46] So we are talking about the book of life, though.

[01:23:49] Truth?

[01:23:50] Yes.

[01:23:50] Sorry.

[01:23:51] The book of truth.

[01:23:52] Yeah.

[01:23:52] And that phrase is not specifically mentioned except for in this one place in Daniel.

[01:23:58] Right.

[01:23:58] Okay?

[01:23:59] Sure.

[01:23:59] Now, the first mention of a similar idea appears in Exodus chapter 32.

[01:24:05] After the Israelites sinned with the golden calf, Moses speaks to God about being blotted

[01:24:11] out of the book that God has written.

[01:24:14] Right.

[01:24:14] This book is generally understood to be the book of life.

[01:24:19] Right.

[01:24:19] And that's what I was referring to.

[01:24:21] I kind of brought it up when we were talking about this.

[01:24:23] And I was like, that's what I was thinking.

[01:24:24] That was so.

[01:24:25] A record of those who belong to God.

[01:24:27] Right.

[01:24:27] Yeah.

[01:24:27] Yeah.

[01:24:28] Yeah.

[01:24:28] Okay.

[01:24:28] So, yeah.

[01:24:29] And you were right.

[01:24:30] It's related or the same.

[01:24:32] So it's a book of life and it's also a book of truth that has basically all the knowledge

[01:24:39] of all the things always.

[01:24:41] It's like a really awesome planner because it's got a calendar and it's got like a list of

[01:24:46] all the holidays and celebrations.

[01:24:49] Sure.

[01:24:49] And it's got a list of all the things to come.

[01:24:52] And it also is a record of everything that already happened.

[01:24:55] Right.

[01:24:55] It's like the best book ever.

[01:24:57] Sure.

[01:24:57] I want that planner.

[01:24:58] Do you?

[01:24:59] No.

[01:24:59] Yeah.

[01:25:00] Another related concept appears in Psalm 139.

[01:25:04] Could really help with like betting odds, you know.

[01:25:06] Where the psalmist mentions that all the days of his life were written in God's book.

[01:25:12] Yeah.

[01:25:12] Before any of them came to be.

[01:25:14] Okay.

[01:25:14] This suggests a record of God's plans and purposes for individuals.

[01:25:19] While these references don't specifically mention the quote book of truth, they do introduce

[01:25:25] the idea of a divine record of sorts.

[01:25:28] Right.

[01:25:28] So there's that.

[01:25:30] Okay.

[01:25:31] Yeah.

[01:25:31] All right.

[01:25:31] So just one more interjection.

[01:25:33] I feel like this takes away from a lot of the things that people try to claim about

[01:25:38] Christianity and religion in general with regard to your choices and what God is and stands for.

[01:25:45] Agreed.

[01:25:46] That's all.

[01:25:46] No, I totally agree.

[01:25:48] Those are great points.

[01:25:49] So we're done with chapter 11.

[01:25:51] Yeah.

[01:25:52] I'm so sorry.

[01:25:53] We're done with chapter 10.

[01:25:54] Right.

[01:25:54] Right.

[01:25:54] Right.

[01:25:54] Right.

[01:25:55] And I'm moving into chapter 11.

[01:25:56] And the reason that I keep mowing over you is because there's a lot of material, particularly

[01:26:01] in chapter 11.

[01:26:02] Right.

[01:26:02] So I'm like, uh-huh.

[01:26:04] Shut up.

[01:26:05] Next.

[01:26:05] Yeah.

[01:26:05] Yes.

[01:26:05] Yeah.

[01:26:06] So I can't, I can't not interject.

[01:26:08] You interject.

[01:26:08] That is fine.

[01:26:09] And I will keep making faces at you.

[01:26:11] Right.

[01:26:11] And trying to roll on.

[01:26:13] Just for the record, wife was really annoyed with me.

[01:26:15] Oh, I was so fucking annoyed.

[01:26:16] Anyways, chapter 11.

[01:26:18] Okay.

[01:26:18] Okay.

[01:26:19] Verse two says, now then I tell you the truth.

[01:26:22] Three more kings will arise in Persia and then a fourth who will be far richer than all

[01:26:27] the others.

[01:26:28] When he has gained power by his wealth, he will stir up everyone against the kingdom of

[01:26:32] Greece.

[01:26:33] Let us not forget, chapter 11 is full of, and then this is going to happen.

[01:26:37] Right.

[01:26:37] And then this.

[01:26:38] Oh, it's so bad.

[01:26:39] Yeah.

[01:26:39] I hate it.

[01:26:39] So we're going to go through and compare this to what actually took place.

[01:26:44] And when it switched from things that have already happened to future tense.

[01:26:50] Okay.

[01:26:51] Okay.

[01:26:51] Yeah.

[01:26:51] All right.

[01:26:52] So what that meant just then was there actually were four kings from the time Daniel spoke

[01:26:57] of until Xerxes, the prophesied strong, rich, and fourth king who did actually stir everyone

[01:27:04] up against Greece.

[01:27:05] But here's the thing, though.

[01:27:08] He said there was going to be three kings and then the fourth will be big.

[01:27:11] But there were four kings.

[01:27:13] Okay.

[01:27:14] Okay.

[01:27:14] Yeah.

[01:27:14] So either the angel who's telling Daniel this thing omitted the current king, Cyrus,

[01:27:21] looking only to the future, or he ignored one of the other kings that was in that list,

[01:27:26] King Smyrdas of Persia.

[01:27:29] He was only there from 521 or 522 to 521 BCE.

[01:27:36] And because he ruled less than one year and was an imposter to the throne, maybe Daniel

[01:27:42] It sounds like they left that guy out.

[01:27:43] Yeah.

[01:27:44] Yeah.

[01:27:44] And moreover, this is being written by people that were already have seen this.

[01:27:49] And we're talking about a 400 year span of time.

[01:27:52] Right.

[01:27:52] So, I mean, I think that's...

[01:27:54] Either left out the person who was king at the time, which was Cyrus.

[01:27:59] I don't see that happening.

[01:28:00] Right.

[01:28:00] Or they left out this guy who didn't even rule for a year and was an imposter to the throne.

[01:28:06] I think that sounds most likely.

[01:28:08] Right.

[01:28:08] So that happened.

[01:28:09] Okay.

[01:28:09] So Xerxes the Great, that's the big fourth guy.

[01:28:13] Sure.

[01:28:14] Okay.

[01:28:14] Yeah.

[01:28:14] He came to power in Persia in 486 BCE.

[01:28:18] And FYI, I put a lot of time into putting years into this.

[01:28:24] Like, I found various sources that had, like, lists of, and then this happened.

[01:28:28] Sure.

[01:28:29] Which was, you know, corroborated.

[01:28:31] And this prophecy was fulfilled.

[01:28:33] But I didn't...

[01:28:34] So I had to go one by one with these prophecies and stick a year to it.

[01:28:38] Okay.

[01:28:38] Okay.

[01:28:39] Yeah.

[01:28:39] Because I wanted to understand how this lines up.

[01:28:42] Yeah, sure.

[01:28:43] So that's why there's so much material.

[01:28:46] Anyway.

[01:28:46] So Xerxes the Great came to power in Persia in 486 BCE.

[01:28:51] Okay.

[01:28:51] He succeeded his father, Darius I, Darius the Mede.

[01:28:55] Right.

[01:28:55] And ruled until his assassination in 465.

[01:28:59] So from 486 to 65 BCE.

[01:29:02] Got it.

[01:29:03] BCE.

[01:29:03] Got it.

[01:29:03] Okay.

[01:29:04] Yeah.

[01:29:05] Chapter, or verse three.

[01:29:06] Then a mighty king will arise who will rule with great power and do as he pleases.

[01:29:10] Verse four.

[01:29:11] After he has arisen, his empire will be broken up and parceled out toward the four winds of

[01:29:17] heaven.

[01:29:17] It will not go to his descendants.

[01:29:19] And this was Alexander the Great.

[01:29:20] Exactly.

[01:29:21] You remember.

[01:29:22] That's so good.

[01:29:22] Yeah.

[01:29:23] Because I didn't until I read it.

[01:29:24] And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:29:26] So this was fulfilled in...

[01:29:28] This prophecy was fulfilled in Alexander the Great, who came to power in 336 BCE.

[01:29:33] He ruled until his death in 323 BCE at the age of 32.

[01:29:39] We already read a little bit about him when we went over this chapter.

[01:29:43] We also read about him in one of our book clubs that covered Jewish fairy tales because

[01:29:51] the Jewish revere...

[01:29:53] Or I'm sorry, I shouldn't say the Jewish as though like it's a monolith.

[01:29:56] But Alexander the Great holds great reverence for many Jewish people.

[01:30:02] Sure.

[01:30:02] Is what I should say.

[01:30:03] Right, right, right.

[01:30:03] Anyway, he ruled until his death, blah, blah, blah.

[01:30:06] None of his descendants succeeded him.

[01:30:08] After his death and then the subsequent death of all his possible heirs, four generals controlled

[01:30:15] the Greek Empire because he had a son who was born after he died.

[01:30:21] A baby can't rule.

[01:30:22] Right.

[01:30:22] He had a half-brother who was not mentally fit, so couldn't rule.

[01:30:27] He had a regent.

[01:30:28] He also had an illegitimate son and he had another brother or something like that.

[01:30:34] I don't know.

[01:30:34] Got it.

[01:30:34] Okay.

[01:30:34] Anyway, but two of them were named co-kings and I think it was the baby that was born after

[01:30:41] he died as well as his dimwit brother.

[01:30:45] And that's how he was referred to in the notes.

[01:30:49] So apologies.

[01:30:50] I have mental health issues, so I'm not here to call anybody names in cruel fashion.

[01:30:56] I am repeating what I read.

[01:30:58] Sure.

[01:30:59] It stuck in my head and I shouldn't have said that, but that's what it said.

[01:31:02] You guys should have seen my face when wife said it.

[01:31:04] And I was like, whoa.

[01:31:05] Whoa.

[01:31:06] So anyway, those two were named co-kings and they had regents to help, but then there

[01:31:13] was so much infighting that everybody died.

[01:31:15] Everybody got killed.

[01:31:16] Yeah.

[01:31:16] The regents, the wannabe kings, the babies, everybody died.

[01:31:21] Got it.

[01:31:21] Okay.

[01:31:21] Yeah.

[01:31:22] So then four generals controlled the Greek Empire.

[01:31:26] Sure.

[01:31:26] Okay.

[01:31:26] Now the rest of this prophecy, the whole rest of this chapter focuses on only two of the

[01:31:32] four inheritors of Alexander's realm and the dynasties that they established.

[01:31:37] And here's why.

[01:31:38] These two fucking countries fought over the promised land, which sat right between their

[01:31:45] centers of power for centuries.

[01:31:47] Oh.

[01:31:48] Yeah.

[01:31:48] Like back and forth and back and forth.

[01:31:50] Right.

[01:31:51] Whoever was strongest at the time, they got to rule.

[01:31:54] Got it.

[01:31:55] Obviously.

[01:31:55] But it was never like for long before the other one got the upper hand.

[01:31:59] Sure.

[01:32:00] All right.

[01:32:01] So verse five, the king of the south will become strong, but one of his commanders will

[01:32:05] become even stronger than he and will rule over his own kingdom with great power.

[01:32:09] Okay.

[01:32:10] So this was fulfilled in Ptolemy, Ptolemy, the first of Egypt.

[01:32:14] I typically don't name like the first, the second, the third, because I don't much care.

[01:32:20] And it doesn't always matter.

[01:32:22] But in the purposes of this, we're going through a lot of history and there's more than one

[01:32:27] Ptolemy and there's more than one other like pharaohs.

[01:32:30] Right.

[01:32:32] Seleicus.

[01:32:34] So it's going to matter.

[01:32:36] Yeah.

[01:32:36] It's going to matter.

[01:32:37] And that's why I'm being specific here.

[01:32:38] Okay.

[01:32:39] So Ptolemy, the first of Egypt, came to power in Egypt in 323 BCE.

[01:32:46] Okay.

[01:32:46] He was initially a governor or a satrap of Egypt after Alexander's death.

[01:32:51] Okay.

[01:32:52] Yep.

[01:32:52] And then after all them guys died, the half brothers and babies and whatever.

[01:32:57] Right.

[01:32:57] He's like, guess what?

[01:32:58] I'm king.

[01:32:59] He declared himself king and founded the Ptolemaic dynasty in 305 BCE.

[01:33:05] He's like, what's up?

[01:33:06] I'm a empire now.

[01:33:08] Right.

[01:33:09] I just named myself.

[01:33:10] I mean, if you're in charge of a large empire, you might as well name yourself a dynasty.

[01:33:14] What's up?

[01:33:14] Ptolemy.

[01:33:15] Ptolemy.

[01:33:16] And apparently there's more than one Ptolemy.

[01:33:18] So it wasn't untrue.

[01:33:20] So this marked the official start of his reign as pharaoh and exerting his control over the

[01:33:27] Holy Land.

[01:33:28] He ruled Egypt until his death in 282 BCE.

[01:33:32] So from 305 to 282.

[01:33:34] Okay.

[01:33:35] Yep.

[01:33:35] And then there was a prince named Seleicus.

[01:33:40] He initially served under Alexander and then later under Ptolemy I.

[01:33:45] Okay.

[01:33:46] Okay.

[01:33:46] And he became the satrap of Babylon governor around 321 BCE.

[01:33:52] He was driven out by another successor, but regained power with the help of Ptolemy I and

[01:33:58] returned to Babylon in 312 BCE, founding the Seleucid Empire.

[01:34:05] So his name was Seleicus.

[01:34:08] Okay.

[01:34:08] So it's the Seleicus Empire.

[01:34:11] But Seleicusid.

[01:34:12] I can't say it.

[01:34:14] Got it.

[01:34:14] Anyway.

[01:34:14] Right.

[01:34:15] It's his empire.

[01:34:16] Sure.

[01:34:16] He eventually took control over Syria in 301 BCE and eventually became more powerful

[01:34:23] than Ptolemy.

[01:34:24] Huh.

[01:34:24] Yeah.

[01:34:25] So the Seleicus guys are identified as the kings of the north and the Ptolemies are the

[01:34:33] kings of the south.

[01:34:34] Okay.

[01:34:34] Okay.

[01:34:35] Yeah.

[01:34:35] So when they're talking about the north and the south kings, that's what they're talking

[01:34:39] about.

[01:34:39] Right.

[01:34:39] Sure.

[01:34:39] Okay.

[01:34:40] Yeah.

[01:34:40] And it's just funny because Seleicus originally was under Alexander and under Ptolemy I.

[01:34:47] Right.

[01:34:47] And then he's like, JK, I don't like y'all.

[01:34:49] Give me my own stuff.

[01:34:54] And they fought.

[01:34:56] Right.

[01:34:56] The dynasties of the Seleicus guys and the Ptolemies fought for some 130 years.

[01:35:02] So, okay.

[01:35:03] I said centuries.

[01:35:04] It felt like centuries as I was writing this.

[01:35:06] But I guess it was only 130 years.

[01:35:07] It was more than a century.

[01:35:09] Yeah.

[01:35:09] So there you go.

[01:35:10] The stronger of the two always held dominion over the Holy Land.

[01:35:14] So the Holy Land was just like.

[01:35:17] Right.

[01:35:18] Right.

[01:35:18] And I'm like, okay, who am I paying taxes to this week?

[01:35:22] Right.

[01:35:22] Yeah.

[01:35:22] I don't even care.

[01:35:23] So is it any wonder that these guys had like no local religion of their own that they gave

[01:35:28] a shit about?

[01:35:29] They were just like, whoever's in charge this week, that's the God I'm praying to.

[01:35:33] I don't care what you call him.

[01:35:34] I just want some rain for my fucking fields.

[01:35:37] That sounds like they were just kidding.

[01:35:38] I mean, like, so we basically lose like 400 years of history of the Israelites when we're

[01:35:42] in Daniel because they are writing this around the 200 BCE timeframe.

[01:35:49] And so we're talking about the end of the Babylonian exile being what?

[01:35:54] Like 530, 520, 530, somewhere around there.

[01:35:58] Mm hmm.

[01:35:58] And so.

[01:36:00] So, OK, maybe 300, 350, whatever, somewhere in that time range is how many years we're

[01:36:05] talking about that it happened.

[01:36:07] But from all the political upheaval and military upheaval that was going on, it just sounds

[01:36:12] like they were just mostly keeping their heads down.

[01:36:14] Yeah.

[01:36:14] And they weren't freed up to reinvigorate themselves until around the 200 BCE timeframe.

[01:36:21] Right.

[01:36:21] Exactly.

[01:36:21] And that's where this is like, they just kind of kept pushing through and living their life

[01:36:27] and doing what they do.

[01:36:28] Push a rock, push a rock, push a rock.

[01:36:29] Yeah, sure.

[01:36:31] Right, right.

[01:36:31] Yeah.

[01:36:32] All right.

[01:36:32] So verse six, after some years, they will become allies.

[01:36:36] The daughter of the king of the south will go to the king of the north to make an alliance.

[01:36:41] Oh, but she will not retain her power.

[01:36:43] And he and his power will not last.

[01:36:45] In those days, she will be betrayed together with her royal escort and her father and the

[01:36:50] one who supported her.

[01:36:52] All right.

[01:36:53] So this was fulfilled in the marriage between Antiochus II of the Selechus guys.

[01:36:59] OK.

[01:37:00] And Berenice, the daughter of Ptolemy II.

[01:37:04] Got it.

[01:37:04] In 252 BCE.

[01:37:07] Is Antiochus II?

[01:37:08] Is he the one that we learned about?

[01:37:10] No.

[01:37:10] No.

[01:37:10] OK.

[01:37:11] He's not the Antiochus Epiphanes.

[01:37:15] OK.

[01:37:15] No, that guy is the fourth.

[01:37:17] OK.

[01:37:18] We're only at the second right now.

[01:37:19] No, I wanted to clarify because, you know, it's a little bit confusing.

[01:37:23] Yeah.

[01:37:23] No, this is Antiochus II of the Selechus guys.

[01:37:28] Completely separate from the Antiochus that we were reading about before.

[01:37:31] Well, we will get to him.

[01:37:32] Right.

[01:37:32] He is going to be mentioned in this prophecy.

[01:37:35] Right.

[01:37:35] OK.

[01:37:36] So anyway, they hooked up in 252 BCE.

[01:37:40] There was peace for a time because of this marriage, but it was upset when Ptolemy II died in 246 BCE.

[01:37:49] So it was only a few years.

[01:37:50] Sure.

[01:37:50] All right.

[01:37:51] Once Ptolemy II died, Antiochus II put away Berenice and took back his former wife, Laodice.

[01:38:00] What does put away mean?

[01:38:02] He just locked her up or he was like, bitch, bye.

[01:38:05] Got it.

[01:38:06] OK.

[01:38:06] Yeah.

[01:38:06] Or, you know, bye, Felicia.

[01:38:08] Have a nice.

[01:38:09] Probably held on to her and put her in an imprisoned-type deal.

[01:38:13] Or put her in like a monastery or similar.

[01:38:16] They didn't have monasteries, but what the fuck ever.

[01:38:18] Because back then when you had, you know, when you took a wife from another kingdom, like it kind of, there's some sort of a tie-in with your claim to thrones and things like that that they would have been trying to keep alive by keeping that woman alive.

[01:38:31] Right.

[01:38:32] Yeah.

[01:38:32] So I'm sure he probably didn't kill her just to have the illusion, hey, well, I married her.

[01:38:38] So, yeah.

[01:38:39] She's still here.

[01:38:40] Yeah.

[01:38:40] She comes back into the picture.

[01:38:42] So she definitely ain't dead.

[01:38:43] Got it.

[01:38:43] He just put her somewhere.

[01:38:44] Locked her in a room or something.

[01:38:46] All right.

[01:38:46] OK.

[01:38:46] So he put her away and he took back his former wife, Laodice.

[01:38:51] Or Laodice.

[01:38:52] I'm going to say Laodice because Berenice.

[01:38:55] Sure.

[01:38:55] Anyway, Laodice did not trust her husband Antiochus II, you know, because she had been put away so he could marry fucking Berenice.

[01:39:04] Sure.

[01:39:04] Right?

[01:39:05] Yeah.

[01:39:05] So anyways, she had him poisoned that same year.

[01:39:08] She's like, fuck this.

[01:39:09] I'm out.

[01:39:10] Jesus Christ.

[01:39:11] So immediately following the murder of Antiochus II, Laodice had Berenice, Berenice's infant son, and all of her attendants killed.

[01:39:21] Holy shit.

[01:39:22] And then she set her son Solaikus II on the throne of the Syrian dominion.

[01:39:27] Damn.

[01:39:28] She's like, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.

[01:39:31] And come here, baby.

[01:39:32] Yeah, baby boy.

[01:39:33] You go sit up there.

[01:39:34] Sounds a little Game of Thrones-ish.

[01:39:36] Right?

[01:39:36] Yeah.

[01:39:37] Yeah.

[01:39:37] We don't need Game of Thrones.

[01:39:38] We have this shit in real life.

[01:39:40] Right.

[01:39:40] Okay.

[01:39:41] So, and all of this stuff is actually what happened.

[01:39:44] Sure.

[01:39:45] Okay.

[01:39:45] This is all historical, except when I'm reading the verses, they're describing.

[01:39:50] It's supposed to be that this angel is prophesizing or whatever to Daniel.

[01:39:56] But clearly this was written after the fact.

[01:39:59] Okay.

[01:40:00] Verse 7 and 8 and 9.

[01:40:04] Okay.

[01:40:04] One from her family line will arise to take her place.

[01:40:07] He will attack the forces of the king to the north and enter his fortress.

[01:40:11] He will fight against them and be victorious.

[01:40:13] He will also seize their gods, their metal images, and their valuable articles of silver and gold and carry them off to Egypt.

[01:40:20] For some years, he will leave the king of the north alone.

[01:40:23] Then the king of the north will invade the realm of the king of the south, but will retreat to his own country.

[01:40:28] Remember when we were reading this?

[01:40:29] It was like north and south and north and south.

[01:40:31] And we were like, I can't.

[01:40:32] I don't know.

[01:40:33] Well, and just to say this, the fact that, you know, it was such a badly written account of what happened over the previous hundreds of years.

[01:40:43] Yeah.

[01:40:43] Right?

[01:40:43] But it was also very, very accurate in so far as you can be accurate with he's and they's and this and that.

[01:40:54] Right?

[01:40:54] Yeah.

[01:40:54] So it was way too accurate to pretend like this is a fucking prophecy.

[01:41:01] Yeah.

[01:41:01] Right?

[01:41:02] Yeah.

[01:41:02] So that's what they were doing.

[01:41:04] The whole Daniel thing is, this is a prophet and he wrote these things and he predicted these things.

[01:41:11] Yeah.

[01:41:11] But there's never been a prophet before that was able to predict with such accuracy so many different events.

[01:41:18] And there's a reason why they have to paint this as a prophecy.

[01:41:23] Okay.

[01:41:23] Because remember, I told you we're going to get to a certain verse and then all of a sudden it's going to shift from these are things that have happened.

[01:41:32] Right.

[01:41:33] To and this is stuff that will happen.

[01:41:36] And we need you to believe the accuracy of the ones that already happened that we're trying to pretend are new so that you have a reason to believe the shit that ain't happened yet.

[01:41:47] Right.

[01:41:47] But the whole part where they're trying to get us to believe this actually happened is the part that makes me not believe that it actually happened.

[01:41:56] No, I know.

[01:41:57] I know.

[01:41:59] It's counterproductive to me.

[01:42:00] It totally is.

[01:42:01] It totally is.

[01:42:02] And I think it should be counterproductive to anybody actually reading this portion of the Bible.

[01:42:06] Like it's ridiculous.

[01:42:07] It should be.

[01:42:07] But who actually reads it straight through like we're doing?

[01:42:09] No, I know.

[01:42:10] Nobody.

[01:42:10] I know.

[01:42:10] Nobody given that we read four to six chapters per week.

[01:42:16] Yeah.

[01:42:16] And it's taken us over four years.

[01:42:18] It's true.

[01:42:19] So that is how I know Christians have not actually read the motherfucking Bible straight through.

[01:42:25] Right.

[01:42:25] Because it'll take us probably another four years.

[01:42:28] And there's no way any of the Christians that I know in my personal life have spent eight to ten years reading the Bible straight through.

[01:42:37] I think that should be like a first question that you ask Christian that says that they read the Bible.

[01:42:40] Like, oh, yeah.

[01:42:41] When did you read it?

[01:42:42] How long did it take you to read it straight through?

[01:42:44] Yeah.

[01:42:44] That's what I planned to do.

[01:42:45] And when they tell you, oh, just a couple of weeks, you'd be like.

[01:42:48] Yeah.

[01:42:49] Bullshit.

[01:42:49] Yeah.

[01:42:50] Yeah.

[01:42:50] That can't possibly be true.

[01:42:52] I don't believe you.

[01:42:53] Yeah.

[01:42:53] I mean, look, somebody could probably do it, but you would be doing nothing but that.

[01:42:58] Right.

[01:42:59] Like that would be all you're doing.

[01:43:01] And you're not taking it in.

[01:43:02] Right.

[01:43:02] If you're the general human being.

[01:43:07] Yeah.

[01:43:08] Okay.

[01:43:08] I'm sorry, but no.

[01:43:09] Because you know why else?

[01:43:10] Because most of the people that claim that are uneducated.

[01:43:13] And so they would not be able to understand what they were reading.

[01:43:19] Right.

[01:43:19] I'm not completely a dum-dum and I don't understand what's happening.

[01:43:24] I have to look it up in alternate sources to find out what the fuck is happening here.

[01:43:30] Well, when they tell you that they read it in a couple of weeks or whatever, that's right.

[01:43:33] Doesn't isn't there something about lying in the Bible?

[01:43:36] Yeah.

[01:43:36] I'm just I'm just curious, you know, or I don't think that we're speaking the same language.

[01:43:42] Like, I mean, actually straight.

[01:43:43] Right.

[01:43:44] Yeah.

[01:43:44] And there's no way you did that.

[01:43:46] Not the cliff notes.

[01:43:47] Yeah.

[01:43:48] Not a not a YouTube channel.

[01:43:49] Yeah.

[01:43:50] All right.

[01:43:50] So verse seven, one.

[01:43:52] Oh, I just read that.

[01:43:53] Sorry.

[01:43:54] Seven, eight, nine, blah, blah, blah.

[01:43:55] Okay.

[01:43:56] So remember the north and south and north and south and north and south.

[01:43:59] And we're like, what?

[01:44:00] Right.

[01:44:00] Okay.

[01:44:00] So this was fulfilled in the person of Ptolemy the third, Berenice's brother.

[01:44:06] Okay.

[01:44:06] Okay.

[01:44:07] Avenging the murder of his sister.

[01:44:09] Because remember, Laodice, whatever her name is.

[01:44:12] She had all those people murdered.

[01:44:13] Yeah.

[01:44:13] Right.

[01:44:14] And so he's like, fuck you for that.

[01:44:16] I'm going to get you.

[01:44:17] So Ptolemy the third, still in the same year, 246 BCE.

[01:44:22] Okay.

[01:44:22] Okay.

[01:44:22] Yeah.

[01:44:23] He's avenging his sister.

[01:44:24] And so Ptolemy the third invaded Syria and humbled Solaikis the second.

[01:44:29] Humbled him.

[01:44:30] Humbled him.

[01:44:30] Okay.

[01:44:31] And then Ptolemy the third ruled until his death in 222 BCE, living four years past Solaikis

[01:44:39] the second, which is important because it said that he would beat him and retreat to his

[01:44:45] own country or whatever.

[01:44:46] Got it.

[01:44:47] Okay.

[01:44:47] Yeah.

[01:44:47] I just, why would you?

[01:44:49] I don't, I don't.

[01:44:49] He humbled him means that he beat him, but didn't kill him out.

[01:44:53] Got it.

[01:44:54] Okay.

[01:44:54] So he basically pushed back his forces and caused them to be defeated.

[01:44:58] Yeah.

[01:44:59] That's what it boiled down to.

[01:45:00] And took away his power.

[01:45:01] Okay.

[01:45:02] All right.

[01:45:02] Which was just as bad as death.

[01:45:05] And that's fair.

[01:45:05] That's fair.

[01:45:06] I just, I'm trying to understand the wording that they're, they're, they're using.

[01:45:09] And it just means he was beaten in battle.

[01:45:11] And essentially Ptolemy the third, you said, is that right?

[01:45:17] Yes.

[01:45:17] Ptolemy the third was the one that was more in power at that point because he, whatever.

[01:45:21] Because he won more land, won more battles, whatever.

[01:45:24] Because he was like, I'll show you to kill my sister.

[01:45:27] Right.

[01:45:27] Fuck off.

[01:45:28] Right.

[01:45:28] Yeah.

[01:45:28] Okay.

[01:45:29] So verse 10, his sons will, I mean, this chapter is so fucking long.

[01:45:34] Right.

[01:45:35] Verse 10, his sons will prepare for war and assemble a great army, which will sweep on

[01:45:39] like an irresistible flood and carry the battle as far as his fortress.

[01:45:43] This was fulfilled in Solaikis the third, who we just talked about and Antiochus the

[01:45:49] third, the two sons of Solaikis the second.

[01:45:52] Okay.

[01:45:53] So.

[01:45:53] Who was the one that was just beaten by Ptolemy the third?

[01:45:56] No.

[01:45:57] No.

[01:45:57] That was.

[01:45:59] Um.

[01:46:00] Oh, no, you're right.

[01:46:01] I'm sorry.

[01:46:02] Okay.

[01:46:02] You're right.

[01:46:03] All right.

[01:46:03] Weird.

[01:46:04] So the next generation is going to fight back now.

[01:46:07] Okay.

[01:46:07] Yeah.

[01:46:07] Is that, is that the Solaikis regime?

[01:46:11] Yeah.

[01:46:12] Yeah.

[01:46:12] Sorry.

[01:46:13] I was, I was confused for a minute there.

[01:46:14] Well, yeah.

[01:46:15] I mean, this is confusing.

[01:46:17] Yeah.

[01:46:17] They were both successful generals, but Solaikis the third ruled only a short time from 225

[01:46:25] to 223 BCE.

[01:46:27] Okay.

[01:46:28] And he was succeeded by his younger brother, Antiochus the third, who was also called Antiochus

[01:46:33] the great.

[01:46:34] Okay.

[01:46:34] Okay.

[01:46:35] But not Alexander, you know, he's Antiochus, different people.

[01:46:38] Sure.

[01:46:38] In a furious battle, this Antiochus guy took back the Holy Land, which is modern day Israel

[01:46:44] and Palestine.

[01:46:45] Sure.

[01:46:46] From the dominion of the Ptolemies in 200 BCE.

[01:46:50] Okay.

[01:46:50] Okay.

[01:46:51] All right.

[01:46:51] Verse 11.

[01:46:52] Yeah.

[01:46:53] Then the king of the south will march out in a rage and fight against the king of the

[01:46:56] north who will raise a large army, but it will be defeated.

[01:47:00] Verse 12.

[01:47:00] When the army is carried off, the king of the south will be filled with pride and will

[01:47:06] slaughter many thousands.

[01:47:07] Yet he will not remain triumphant.

[01:47:09] Okay.

[01:47:10] This was fulfilled when Antiochus the third was defeated at the battle of Raphia in 217

[01:47:16] BCE.

[01:47:18] All right.

[01:47:18] Because of that loss, he was forced to give back dominion over the Holy Land to Ptolemy

[01:47:23] the fourth.

[01:47:24] Oh, we're on Ptolemy the fourth now.

[01:47:26] Yeah.

[01:47:26] Okay.

[01:47:26] Yeah.

[01:47:27] All right.

[01:47:27] Because the other one.

[01:47:28] Yeah.

[01:47:29] Yeah.

[01:47:29] No, I'm just, I'm trying to keep track.

[01:47:30] No, I know.

[01:47:31] I know.

[01:47:31] This is where we are.

[01:47:32] So this control remained with the Ptolemies until Antiochus the third later regained the

[01:47:39] territory again.

[01:47:40] Holy shit.

[01:47:41] 200 BCE.

[01:47:42] Okay.

[01:47:43] Yeah.

[01:47:43] Yeah.

[01:47:43] So, I mean, even knowing.

[01:47:46] So it really was back and forth and back and forth and back and forth.

[01:47:49] Even knowing the names and what the countries are.

[01:47:51] It's still confusing.

[01:47:52] It's still confusing.

[01:47:53] Yeah.

[01:47:53] Yeah.

[01:47:54] Because, like, I think, I think I can remember that the Ptolemies are Egypt.

[01:48:00] Yes, they are.

[01:48:01] And Ptolechus guys are the Syria guys.

[01:48:05] Is that?

[01:48:06] Yes.

[01:48:06] Okay.

[01:48:07] So I think I got it, but, like, I get really confused.

[01:48:11] All right.

[01:48:12] Because is Antiochus a Ptolemy or a Ptolechus?

[01:48:15] No.

[01:48:15] He's a Ptolechus guy.

[01:48:16] Okay.

[01:48:17] See, I get so confused.

[01:48:18] Especially when, like, Antiochus and Ptolechus guys are fighting each other.

[01:48:23] I'm like, what?

[01:48:25] Like, stop.

[01:48:26] Stop.

[01:48:27] Don't fight each other.

[01:48:28] Fight other people.

[01:48:29] I don't know.

[01:48:30] Whatever.

[01:48:31] All right.

[01:48:31] Verse 13.

[01:48:32] For the king of the north will muster another army larger than the first, and after several

[01:48:36] years he will advance with a huge army fully equipped.

[01:48:40] 14.

[01:48:41] In those times many will rise against the king of the south.

[01:48:44] Those who are violent among your own people will rebel in fulfillment of the vision, but

[01:48:49] without success.

[01:48:50] Okay.

[01:48:51] 15.

[01:48:51] Then the king of the north will come and build up siege rams and will capture a fortified

[01:48:56] city.

[01:48:56] The forces of the south will be powerless to resist.

[01:48:59] Even their best troops will not have the strength to stand.

[01:49:02] 16.

[01:49:03] The invader will do as he pleases.

[01:49:05] No one will be able to stand against him.

[01:49:06] He will establish himself in the beautiful land and will have the power to destroy it.

[01:49:11] Okay.

[01:49:12] Okay.

[01:49:12] Yeah.

[01:49:12] This was fulfilled when, notice how like every single one when I like get to my notes

[01:49:19] then I say this was fulfilled in.

[01:49:21] Right.

[01:49:22] Okay.

[01:49:23] Right.

[01:49:23] And Antiochus the third invaded Egypt again, gaining final control over the armies of Ptolemy

[01:49:30] the fifth and over the holy land in 200 BCE.

[01:49:35] Jews living in the holy land helped Antiochus the third defeat the king of the south.

[01:49:40] This was because the Jewish people resented the rule of the Egyptian Ptolemies.

[01:49:45] Okay.

[01:49:45] Okay.

[01:49:45] So they're like, we're going to go with them for a minute.

[01:49:48] Sure.

[01:49:49] Guess what?

[01:49:49] That was not good.

[01:49:50] Didn't last.

[01:49:51] Yeah.

[01:49:51] Nope.

[01:49:51] The Jewish people initially welcomed Antiochus the third as a liberator from Egyptian rule,

[01:49:57] but their decision to support Antiochus the third proved unwise when he turned destruction

[01:50:02] upon the holy land and his people.

[01:50:04] Womp womp.

[01:50:05] Okay.

[01:50:05] They always choose wrong.

[01:50:07] Right.

[01:50:07] Always choose wrong.

[01:50:08] Yeah.

[01:50:08] All right.

[01:50:09] 17.

[01:50:10] He will determine to come with the might of his entire kingdom and will make an alliance

[01:50:14] with the king of the south and he will give him a daughter in marriage in order to overthrow

[01:50:19] the kingdom, but his plans will not succeed or help him.

[01:50:22] So we're again, marrying somebody to try to do political power things.

[01:50:27] And okay.

[01:50:27] Yes.

[01:50:28] Got it.

[01:50:28] This was fulfilled when Antiochus the third gave his daughter Cleopatra.

[01:50:33] Cleopatra.

[01:50:33] No, not that Cleopatra.

[01:50:35] Although she is an ancestor to the Cleopatra that we know of who came like a hundred years

[01:50:41] later.

[01:50:42] Earlier.

[01:50:43] Later.

[01:50:44] Oh yeah.

[01:50:45] Okay.

[01:50:46] I thought Cleopatra was back in the book of Solomon.

[01:50:49] No, we didn't talk about Cleopatra.

[01:50:52] That was.

[01:50:52] Oh, queen of Sheba.

[01:50:53] Oh, that's right.

[01:50:55] I'm sorry.

[01:50:55] I apologize.

[01:50:56] Nope.

[01:50:57] You're fine.

[01:50:58] So, um, yeah.

[01:51:00] So Antiochus the third gave his daughter, not the famous Cleopatra to Ptolemy the fifth

[01:51:05] of Egypt in one 93 BCE.

[01:51:08] Okay.

[01:51:08] He did this hoping to gain influence and control over Egypt.

[01:51:12] The plan did not succeed because, uh, oh, that Cleopatra that ain't famous was also

[01:51:18] not faithful to her Egyptian husband.

[01:51:21] Oh, wow.

[01:51:22] So, whoopsie.

[01:51:23] Yeah.

[01:51:23] Looks like all of them Cleopatras like to fuck.

[01:51:26] I'm not here to slut shame because, you know, fucking's good.

[01:51:30] Right.

[01:51:30] You know?

[01:51:31] Sure.

[01:51:31] If you like it.

[01:51:32] Right.

[01:51:32] If you don't, it's fine too.

[01:51:33] Sure.

[01:51:34] Anyways, consent.

[01:51:36] Okay.

[01:51:36] 18.

[01:51:37] Then he will turn his attention to the coastlands and will take many of them, but a commander

[01:51:42] will put an end to his insolence and will turn his insolence back on him.

[01:51:46] 19.

[01:51:47] After this, he will turn back toward the fortress of his own country, but will stumble and fall

[01:51:52] to be seen no more.

[01:51:53] Right.

[01:51:54] Okay.

[01:51:54] So this was fulfilled when Antiochus the third turned his attention toward the areas of Asia

[01:52:00] minor and Greece around 192 BCE.

[01:52:04] All right.

[01:52:04] He was held by Hannibal.

[01:52:07] Hannibal Lecter?

[01:52:08] No.

[01:52:09] No.

[01:52:09] That other Hannibal.

[01:52:11] Okay.

[01:52:11] The famous general from Carthage.

[01:52:14] So, the historically famous Hannibal.

[01:52:17] Okay.

[01:52:17] Sure.

[01:52:18] Okay.

[01:52:18] But a Roman general, Lucius Cornelius Scipio defeated Antiochus in Greece in 290 BCE.

[01:52:28] So this is, I'm assuming, the beginning of the rise of some Roman and Greek power type

[01:52:33] things.

[01:52:34] Well, I guess.

[01:52:35] Yeah.

[01:52:35] Yeah.

[01:52:36] So.

[01:52:36] Yep.

[01:52:37] Antiochus the third had planned to humiliate Greece, but he was humiliated instead.

[01:52:43] Okay.

[01:52:44] He returned to his former regions, having lost all that he gained.

[01:52:48] After this defeat, Antiochus the third needing money badly for his treasury, resorted to pillaging

[01:52:54] a Babylonian temple and was killed by enraged local citizens in 187 BCE.

[01:53:00] Hmm.

[01:53:01] Okay.

[01:53:01] That's funny to me.

[01:53:02] I don't, I mean, I don't condone murder, but that's just funny to me.

[01:53:06] All right.

[01:53:06] 20.

[01:53:07] His successor will send out a tax collector to maintain the royal splendor.

[01:53:11] In a few years, however, he will be destroyed, yet not in anger or in battle.

[01:53:16] Okay.

[01:53:16] Okay.

[01:53:16] Yeah.

[01:53:17] This was fulfilled in the brief reign of Solaikus the fourth, Philopator, which I first

[01:53:24] read as Philociraptor, son of Antiochus the third and the elder brother of Antiochus

[01:53:30] the fourth.

[01:53:30] Okay.

[01:53:31] Okay.

[01:53:32] Solaikus the fourth ruled from 187 BCE until his assassination in 175 BCE.

[01:53:40] Okay.

[01:53:40] He sought to raise funds through heavy taxation, including the wealth of the Jerusalem temple

[01:53:45] in the Holy Land.

[01:53:47] His death is shrouded in some mystery and it's suspected that Solaikus the fourth was assassinated

[01:53:55] by his younger brother Antiochus the fourth.

[01:53:58] Oh.

[01:53:58] Mm-hmm.

[01:53:59] Damn.

[01:53:59] Yeah.

[01:53:59] So that's what it means when it says he was not killed.

[01:54:03] He wasn't killed.

[01:54:04] Hold on.

[01:54:05] What did I say?

[01:54:06] He will be destroyed yet not in anger or in battle.

[01:54:09] Well, it might have been in anger, but no.

[01:54:11] I mean, it sounds like his brother was just methodical.

[01:54:14] Could be.

[01:54:15] I'm going to be king.

[01:54:15] Right.

[01:54:16] So, bye.

[01:54:17] Right.

[01:54:17] So, okay.

[01:54:18] Okay.

[01:54:19] 21.

[01:54:19] He will be succeeded by a contemptible person.

[01:54:21] Do you know who this is?

[01:54:23] Antiochus the fourth epiphanies.

[01:54:24] Yes.

[01:54:25] Yeah.

[01:54:26] By a contemptible person who has not been given the honor of royalty.

[01:54:30] He will invade the kingdom when its people feel secure and he will seize it through intrigue.

[01:54:36] Right.

[01:54:36] And this is the guy you were saying was bribing his way to make alliances and do other things.

[01:54:41] Yep.

[01:54:41] Yep.

[01:54:41] He's vile.

[01:54:42] Yeah.

[01:54:42] This was fulfilled in the successor of Seleicus the fourth named Antiochus the fourth.

[01:54:49] He did not come to the throne legitimately being suspected of patricide or fratricide.

[01:54:54] Sorry.

[01:54:55] Right.

[01:54:55] But the only other potential heir was imprisoned in Rome.

[01:54:59] Womp womp.

[01:55:00] Apart from the murder of his older brother, Antiochus the fourth didn't use terror to gain power.

[01:55:06] Or he used flattery, smooth promises and intrigue.

[01:55:12] He's a smooth criminal.

[01:55:14] Well, I also kind of remember that he was a little bit eccentric too, right?

[01:55:17] Yes.

[01:55:17] Yeah.

[01:55:17] Yes.

[01:55:18] He flattered the Romans and sent ambassadors to court their favor and to pay them the arrears of the owed tribute.

[01:55:25] So he was throwing money left and right.

[01:55:27] He was the one that like, I told you he would pop up in bathhouses like, hey, what's up naked people?

[01:55:32] Right.

[01:55:32] And like he would try to rent like office buildings and stuff like what?

[01:55:36] I just want to office here.

[01:55:37] Sure.

[01:55:38] For no reason.

[01:55:39] Yeah.

[01:55:39] Because I'm rich.

[01:55:40] Like he was just weird.

[01:55:41] He would just like be walking down the street and he would be like, here, I bought you a present.

[01:55:45] Weird stranger.

[01:55:47] Like just he just I don't know.

[01:55:49] He's he's very weird.

[01:55:51] Yeah.

[01:55:51] OK.

[01:55:51] He flattered the Syrians and gained their concurrence.

[01:55:55] When Antiochus the fourth took the throne in 175 BCE, he also took the title Epiphanes, meaning illustrious.

[01:56:04] Others derisively called him Epiphanes, meaning madman, which.

[01:56:08] Right.

[01:56:09] Probably maybe more fitting.

[01:56:10] Yes.

[01:56:11] Yeah.

[01:56:11] Definitely more fitting.

[01:56:12] Right.

[01:56:12] All right.

[01:56:13] Verse 23.

[01:56:14] After coming to an agreement with him, he will act deceitfully and with only a few people, he will rise to power.

[01:56:21] This was fulfilled when Antiochus Epiphanes carried on the feud between the dynasties, but pretended friendship and alliance to catch them off guard.

[01:56:30] Despite massive efforts and epic battles, Antiochus Epiphanes did not stand and his army was swept away.

[01:56:38] He ruled the Seleicus Empire guys until his death in 164 BCE.

[01:56:45] Right.

[01:56:45] OK, so we're coming up on the zero.

[01:56:46] And let me just state this, too, because we didn't cover it here, but he was very bad for the Jewish population because he was very anti-Judaism.

[01:56:59] Yeah.

[01:56:59] Right.

[01:56:59] Like he was making them worship other idols.

[01:57:02] He didn't let them worship their God.

[01:57:04] You know, like.

[01:57:04] Yeah, I'm actually getting to that.

[01:57:06] Oh, I apologize.

[01:57:06] That's OK.

[01:57:07] That's OK.

[01:57:08] 28.

[01:57:09] The king of the north will return to his own country with great wealth, but his heart will be set against the holy covenant.

[01:57:14] He will take action against it and then return to his own country.

[01:57:18] Got it.

[01:57:19] OK, so like I got a little ahead of myself in the notes, but I wanted to make sure I had years.

[01:57:23] Sure.

[01:57:24] In.

[01:57:24] OK.

[01:57:24] So, yeah, we're going back to that's why you already announced his death.

[01:57:28] So.

[01:57:28] Yeah.

[01:57:28] Sorry.

[01:57:29] Sorry.

[01:57:30] So what I just read was fulfilled when Antiochus Epiphanes returned from Egypt bitter from defeat.

[01:57:36] He vented his anger against Jerusalem, which was already shaken because Antiochus sold the office of high priest.

[01:57:44] Remember that?

[01:57:45] Yeah.

[01:57:46] And he persecuted the Jewish people to conform to Greek culture, forsaking the faith and traditions of their fathers.

[01:57:53] And he was trying to Greek eyes them.

[01:57:57] Hellenistic Empire like that is where that began.

[01:58:01] OK.

[01:58:01] Yeah.

[01:58:02] So 23 or I'm sorry.

[01:58:04] No, we're skipping a few.

[01:58:05] We're moving up to verse 32.

[01:58:07] OK.

[01:58:08] OK.

[01:58:08] I had dyslexia just then for a minute.

[01:58:11] With flattery, he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant.

[01:58:14] But the people who know their God will firmly resist him.

[01:58:17] This was fulfilled when Antiochus Epiphanes turned on Jerusalem.

[01:58:22] The Jewish people were divided.

[01:58:24] Some forsook their covenant with God and embraced Greek culture.

[01:58:28] But those who knew their God made a stand for righteousness even in the face of incredible persecution.

[01:58:34] And many of them died defending their beliefs.

[01:58:39] Got it.

[01:58:39] So at verse 36, there is a subtle shift to a future fulfillment.

[01:58:46] OK.

[01:58:47] All right.

[01:58:47] And this was the quote unquote epiphany that I had the other night that I was telling you about off mic.

[01:58:56] OK.

[01:58:56] That I was like, oh, I get it now.

[01:58:59] Because I thought that they were, the prophecies were describing what happened and that it could either have been Antiochus or a future thing.

[01:59:10] But no, that is not it.

[01:59:13] That was definitely Antiochus that we were just talking about.

[01:59:16] But he is described in such detail as being such a cruel motherfucker.

[01:59:21] Yeah.

[01:59:21] Because we're supposed to understand that you think that guy was cruel.

[01:59:25] Y'all ain't seen nothing yet.

[01:59:26] Wait till the Antichrist gets there.

[01:59:28] Got it.

[01:59:28] OK.

[01:59:28] OK.

[01:59:29] So verse 36, the king will do as he pleases.

[01:59:32] He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard of things against the god of gods.

[01:59:40] He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed.

[01:59:43] For what has been determined must take place.

[01:59:46] OK.

[01:59:47] So now, now let me let me just say that I have to wonder if if Judaism accepts that as a future or if they accept it as part of the Antiochus bit.

[02:00:01] Right.

[02:00:02] Because it sounds an awful lot like they're trying to put something future in there so that it so that it can be a prophecy for things that they want to occur later.

[02:00:12] They do.

[02:00:13] From what I saw, because I was looking up, what does the Jewish tradition believe versus what does the Christian believe?

[02:00:20] And I will get into that.

[02:00:22] They was Christian when I was saying.

[02:00:23] Yeah.

[02:00:23] I will get into that some more later, but they both have very similar beliefs in that moving forward.

[02:00:29] These are future things that are yet to come.

[02:00:31] All right.

[02:00:32] Fair enough.

[02:00:33] How and who is a little bit different, but they both agree.

[02:00:36] No, this shit is yet to come.

[02:00:38] OK.

[02:00:38] And that's what that those those years that we were talking about where there's two different years.

[02:00:45] Right.

[02:00:46] Or number of days.

[02:00:47] Yeah.

[02:00:48] If each one of those days is a year.

[02:00:53] I'll get to that.

[02:00:54] But what they're saying is each one of those days is a year.

[02:00:57] And so instead of saying like one thousand two hundred and however many days, it's actually one thousand two hundred and however many years.

[02:01:06] OK.

[02:01:07] OK.

[02:01:07] And so that changes things.

[02:01:09] And that's why Christians today are like, oh, my God, is totally the end times.

[02:01:14] And well, but that doesn't I mean that a thousand years has already happened.

[02:01:18] Right.

[02:01:18] Well, well, before.

[02:01:20] No, I know.

[02:01:21] But just saying, I'll get there.

[02:01:23] All right.

[02:01:23] OK.

[02:01:23] Yeah.

[02:01:24] So here we shift from what was fulfilled in the Ptolemies and the Solaicus guys.

[02:01:30] Right.

[02:01:31] OK.

[02:01:32] To what will be fulfilled in the Antichrist, the final world dictator, which many believe is Trump.

[02:01:40] Whatever.

[02:01:40] Whatever.

[02:01:41] Many people believe it's not yet happened or is happening or might happen or whatever.

[02:01:45] Many believe it's Biden, too.

[02:01:46] So, I mean, it's just.

[02:01:47] No, it explains, though, why some Christians are very excited about what has happened.

[02:01:54] Right.

[02:01:55] And why they might vote for Trump, because they're like the end times.

[02:01:58] That's fucking epic.

[02:01:59] They're so excited because they think they're going to be raptured.

[02:02:03] Right.

[02:02:03] So it's just it's very sick and weird.

[02:02:08] But they've also referred to Biden and Obama as the Antichrist.

[02:02:12] I mean, like, it's not it's not exclusive to Trump.

[02:02:15] No.

[02:02:15] And it's not the same Christians saying these things.

[02:02:18] Right.

[02:02:19] The same Christians that would say that Obama was the Antichrist would not be the same Christians that are really excited about Trump being the Antichrist.

[02:02:29] Right.

[02:02:30] Does that make sense?

[02:02:30] Yeah.

[02:02:30] And they're not big on saying that he's the Antichrist.

[02:02:33] No.

[02:02:33] A lot of them are saying that he's anointed by God as God's chosen one.

[02:02:37] That's what I'm.

[02:02:38] The second Messiah come to.

[02:02:41] Yeah.

[02:02:41] Yeah.

[02:02:41] It just depends on which Christian you ask.

[02:02:44] I would say that's more the more prevalent idea.

[02:02:46] I would say that that's the more outspoken idea.

[02:02:49] Sure.

[02:02:49] So Daniel was told that this revelation pertained to the latter days.

[02:02:55] Yeah.

[02:02:56] OK.

[02:02:57] This verse begins to look more towards this final world dictator who is a sort of a last days Antiochus Epiphanes.

[02:03:05] Antiochus Epiphanes is important, but mostly as a historical preview of the Antichrist to come.

[02:03:13] OK.

[02:03:13] While Antiochus Epiphanes did exalt and magnify himself, and that's in quotes because that's like what the prophecy said.

[02:03:22] Yeah.

[02:03:22] He did remain loyal to the Greek religious tradition, which revered the entire Olympian pantheon.

[02:03:29] So he did not put himself above all gods.

[02:03:32] OK.

[02:03:33] Just most of them.

[02:03:34] Right.

[02:03:35] Antiochus Epiphanes put a statue of Zeus in the temple, not of himself, whereas Trump has put statues of himself everywhere.

[02:03:43] But whatever.

[02:03:44] I'm just saying.

[02:03:45] I'm just putting it out there.

[02:03:46] Playing devil's advocate, if you will.

[02:03:48] Sure.

[02:03:49] OK.

[02:03:49] This statement will be far more precisely fulfilled in the Antichrist.

[02:03:54] So whoever the Antichrist is, he's going to be bigger than God and say so and put statues of himself up everywhere.

[02:04:00] Got it.

[02:04:00] OK.

[02:04:01] That's how we will know him or whatever.

[02:04:03] All right.

[02:04:04] 39.

[02:04:05] He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign god and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him.

[02:04:11] He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price.

[02:04:16] So the Antichrist will take and hold power with military might and the shrewd use of great riches from other countries.

[02:04:26] Got it.

[02:04:27] So interesting.

[02:04:28] OK.

[02:04:29] 40.

[02:04:29] At the time of the end, the king of the south will engage him in battle and the king of the north will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships.

[02:04:40] He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood.

[02:04:44] So what that means, hypothetically, is that a confederation of kings or country leaders, presidents, whatever.

[02:04:51] Right.

[02:04:51] Come against this great leader, this Antichrist with a battle in and near the Holy Land.

[02:04:57] OK.

[02:04:59] At some point in the future, the king of the south may be Egypt or it might represent the Arab community as a whole.

[02:05:06] We don't know.

[02:05:07] Sure.

[02:05:08] The king of the north may be the Antichrist domain as in the new Antiochus Epiphanes land or it might be Russia.

[02:05:15] Who fucking knows?

[02:05:16] Right.

[02:05:16] Right.

[02:05:16] But people like my dad are very excited to say it's happening right now.

[02:05:22] Right.

[02:05:23] Because everything's.

[02:05:25] Well, Israel and the Middle East is very close.

[02:05:29] Yeah.

[02:05:29] I mean, anytime.

[02:05:31] It's always been a mess.

[02:05:31] But anytime there's up people in the Middle East, there's always talk about end times and the possibility of all this stuff happening.

[02:05:37] So.

[02:05:38] But with Russia, you know, rolling.

[02:05:41] But, I mean, Russia's been a thing since World War II.

[02:05:43] Sure.

[02:05:43] So, I mean, it's not really anything new.

[02:05:46] It's not anything new.

[02:05:46] It's just a matter of how it all pans out and when it pans out and what's going on where.

[02:05:50] Mm-hmm.

[02:05:52] And it is, I think, more of a modern idea to relate this all into an end times scenario.

[02:06:00] I don't think that that's fair because.

[02:06:03] On a popular level.

[02:06:04] I'm not saying like this.

[02:06:05] Again, I don't think that that's fair because we're doing this now that us common men can look up current events on the fucking internet.

[02:06:14] Sure.

[02:06:15] And understand world events like in two seconds flat.

[02:06:19] Right.

[02:06:19] So, you know, back during World War II, people would not have been able to understand everything that was happening around the world.

[02:06:29] Right.

[02:06:29] And tie everything together.

[02:06:30] Well, that's kind of my point.

[02:06:32] Okay.

[02:06:33] Is that we just now in the world and we, this is why it's a modern thing is because.

[02:06:40] Got it.

[02:06:41] General society is now able to see all this stuff and think, hey, this might be that.

[02:06:45] And because it's so prevalent in our society, religious leaders can use that information to then build a case for end times and scare people into religious ideas and different things like that.

[02:06:57] So.

[02:06:57] Got it.

[02:06:58] That's all I was getting at.

[02:06:59] Sure.

[02:07:00] No, that makes sense.

[02:07:01] All right.

[02:07:01] So while the kingdoms remain in question, so we don't know what the lands are.

[02:07:05] Right.

[02:07:05] The end will be marked by great conflict and will culminate in the world's armies gathering in the promised land to engage in the final battle.

[02:07:15] Okay.

[02:07:16] Yeah.

[02:07:17] All right.

[02:07:17] Moving on to chapter 12.

[02:07:20] Okay.

[02:07:20] Okay.

[02:07:21] All right.

[02:07:21] So chapter 12 verses 11 and 12 presents two specific time periods.

[02:07:29] And that was the hundred and I'm sorry, 1290 days.

[02:07:33] And then the 1335 days.

[02:07:37] Yeah.

[02:07:37] Okay.

[02:07:37] These numbers have been a subject of much interpretation and speculation among biblical scholars.

[02:07:44] They're like, we don't fucking what the fuck.

[02:07:46] Right.

[02:07:46] Okay.

[02:07:47] So there's various things.

[02:07:49] Prophetic time.

[02:07:50] It's generally accepted that these numbers represent prophetic time where one day equals one year.

[02:07:58] Okay.

[02:07:59] End times.

[02:08:00] The context of the passage suggests that these time periods are related to events leading up to the end times.

[02:08:08] Okay.

[02:08:09] Okay.

[02:08:09] Specific events.

[02:08:10] The starting point for these time periods is linked to the, quote, abomination that causes desolation.

[02:08:18] Sure.

[02:08:18] A significant event in end time prophecy.

[02:08:23] And so we don't know, but that means Antiochus, right?

[02:08:27] Well, that's what we thought when we were reading it.

[02:08:29] But if you're saying that some of the stuff that we were reading was also about this future Antiochus-like figure that is going to be the Antichrist.

[02:08:38] Right.

[02:08:39] Then not necessarily, I guess.

[02:08:41] Right.

[02:08:42] And, you know, that could refer to this future person or thing or whatever.

[02:08:47] So here's what the two, why you were like, but why two numbers though?

[02:08:51] Remember?

[02:08:52] Yeah.

[02:08:52] And here's what they mean.

[02:08:53] Okay.

[02:08:54] Yeah.

[02:08:54] The 1,290 days might represent a time of intense tribulation or persecution for God's people.

[02:09:02] So that's the trials and tribulations.

[02:09:05] Right.

[02:09:05] Right.

[02:09:05] And then the 1,335 days is a longer period.

[02:09:09] And that could signify a time of restoration and cleansing following the tribulation.

[02:09:15] Okay.

[02:09:16] So.

[02:09:17] Sure.

[02:09:17] Basically, whenever the abomination that causes desolation occurs.

[02:09:24] Yeah.

[02:09:25] Then we can start marking off 1,290 days on our calendar or what the fuck ever.

[02:09:32] Okay.

[02:09:33] Or years.

[02:09:33] So they don't stand for.

[02:09:34] Okay.

[02:09:35] I don't know.

[02:09:36] Right?

[02:09:36] Well, I mean, I just, because I wanted to clarify for myself a little bit, just to see it separate from what you're telling me.

[02:09:45] Because it sometimes helps me to see it in print as I'm hearing you say something.

[02:09:48] Right?

[02:09:48] Mm-hmm.

[02:09:49] And it's, you know, basically it's saying that there is a lot of fucking disagreement about this.

[02:09:56] Sure.

[02:09:56] And what this means.

[02:09:57] So not only is it difficult to understand, it's difficult for even scholars and people to understand as well.

[02:10:05] Right.

[02:10:05] So I don't know that there is a great interpretation for what this is.

[02:10:09] Other than, I don't know.

[02:10:11] Daniel's a fucking weirdo.

[02:10:13] I mean, to me, that's what it is.

[02:10:15] Daniel's a fucking weirdo.

[02:10:17] No, I mean, it was a really weird vision to begin with.

[02:10:19] And here we end with this chapter that's like got these weird numbers in it that don't really mean anything to us.

[02:10:25] Exactly.

[02:10:26] Unless you want to ascribe meaning to them.

[02:10:28] Right.

[02:10:29] I don't really want to.

[02:10:30] So.

[02:10:31] Right.

[02:10:31] Whatever.

[02:10:32] All right.

[02:10:33] Well, I am rolling this up now.

[02:10:35] We are headed towards the end.

[02:10:37] I've got a little bit more.

[02:10:38] Hang in there.

[02:10:39] I'm hanging.

[02:10:40] All right.

[02:10:40] So for the final time, the book of Daniel can be divided into two parts.

[02:10:46] Yeah.

[02:10:46] The first is a set of six court tales, and those were mostly written in Aramaic chapters one through six.

[02:10:54] Okay.

[02:10:55] The second one is four apocalyptic visions in chapters seven through 12, written mostly in Hebrew.

[02:11:01] Right.

[02:11:02] Chapters 10, 11, and 12 make up Daniel's final vision, describing a series of conflicts between the unnamed king of the north and king of the south, leading to the time of the end when Israel will be vindicated and the dead raised, some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

[02:11:21] I would like to maybe in our wrap up of Daniel, spend a little bit of time with regard to the idea of heaven and hell that was referred to in Daniel.

[02:11:30] Because we talked about it at the time that that's a little bit different, slightly different interpretation than we've heard before.

[02:11:37] Yeah.

[02:11:37] No, totally.

[02:11:38] I would say this.

[02:11:39] It's an evolving interpretation of what heaven and hell means in the Bible.

[02:11:44] What the afterlife is about.

[02:11:45] What the afterlife means in the Bible.

[02:11:47] I should say not heaven and hell because we really haven't got to heaven and hell.

[02:11:49] Right.

[02:11:50] No, the question would just be how does the book of Daniel change our understanding of the afterlife up to what we had thought before Daniel.

[02:12:03] Right.

[02:12:03] With all the books that preceded it.

[02:12:05] It's a worthwhile mention, I think, in our wrap up.

[02:12:08] Totally.

[02:12:09] Totally agree.

[02:12:11] Daniel 11 is particularly notable for its detailed prophecies that have been fulfilled in historical events.

[02:12:18] Blah, blah, blah.

[02:12:19] Which a lot of them were because they were written after the fact.

[02:12:23] They were written after the fact, yeah.

[02:12:23] Right.

[02:12:23] While the latter part of the chapter delves into more eschatological matters, meaning religious-y things, like...

[02:12:30] The initial verses provide a remarkable roadmap of ancient history.

[02:12:35] And it really does.

[02:12:37] Yeah.

[02:12:37] Okay.

[02:12:38] I was going to say if...

[02:12:39] Well, I...

[02:12:40] Sometimes...

[02:12:40] Yeah.

[02:12:41] All right.

[02:12:42] It's not a remarkable thing that happened with regard to the prophecy because it was not written...

[02:12:47] No, no.

[02:12:47] ...prior to these things happening, so...

[02:12:49] No, but it allows us to be like, okay, that's one more source of information verifying what we know of what happened during this time.

[02:12:57] Right.

[02:12:57] Even though they're trying to pretend that this dude foretold it, clearly that's not what happened because magic doesn't exist.

[02:13:04] But, you know, the more firsthand sources that you have verifying historical events, the better that you can rely on understanding what happened during past times.

[02:13:17] I think I just wish that a lot of Christians were able to admit the truths that scholars have uncovered about the Bible, right?

[02:13:26] Like, that's the part that frustrates me.

[02:13:28] So Daniel is pretty much accepted that it was written in this time frame that was after the prophecies that were prophesied.

[02:13:35] Sure.

[02:13:36] Right?

[02:13:36] Mm-hmm.

[02:13:36] So I would love to talk to the Christians that are like, yeah, I accept that.

[02:13:43] That's fine.

[02:13:44] That makes sense.

[02:13:45] We're going to go...

[02:13:46] We're going to accept that and still believe what we believe.

[02:13:50] But, you know, with the understanding that, yeah, that's probably the way that was done.

[02:13:54] So...

[02:13:54] Why does faith in God require faith 100% that everything in the Bible happened?

[02:14:01] Yeah.

[02:14:01] Like, that doesn't...

[02:14:02] Like, why do they have to be mutually exclusive or whatever?

[02:14:05] No, if we're already talking about faith, I mean, your faith should be secure whether or not the Bible is correct or not.

[02:14:09] Right.

[02:14:10] Right?

[02:14:10] That should not enter into the picture.

[02:14:12] But they wrap it up in the Bible, and I'm like, that's weird.

[02:14:15] Yeah.

[02:14:15] Your faith sounds not good.

[02:14:17] Right.

[02:14:18] Your faith sounds very questionable.

[02:14:19] Well, I think that's what hangs up a lot of Christians when they're discussing their religion, honestly.

[02:14:25] Is that they have this need to make the Bible correct.

[02:14:30] Yeah.

[02:14:30] Right?

[02:14:31] And what the truth is, is that if you are going to believe this religion and not get caught up in the wrongness of the Bible, because there is much wrong with the Bible...

[02:14:42] Sure.

[02:14:43] ...then you have to just have the faith that people talk about all the time.

[02:14:47] Right.

[02:14:48] Right?

[02:14:48] Christians talk about this all the time.

[02:14:50] You just have to have faith.

[02:14:51] Yeah.

[02:14:51] You just have to believe.

[02:14:53] Right?

[02:14:53] Yeah.

[02:14:54] I can get behind people that just say they believe.

[02:14:57] Sure.

[02:14:58] If they can also admit the flaws inherent in their religion.

[02:15:03] Right.

[02:15:03] Right?

[02:15:03] Like, those are the people that I enjoy talking to.

[02:15:06] Yeah.

[02:15:06] They do exist.

[02:15:07] Because they have questions, and they want to know more, too.

[02:15:10] Right.

[02:15:10] Yeah.

[02:15:11] But it doesn't have anything to do with their unshakable belief in a God.

[02:15:16] Right.

[02:15:17] And that's the kind of faith and religiosity that I actually kind of admire and find beautiful.

[02:15:26] Look, it'll never be me.

[02:15:28] No.

[02:15:28] I don't have that in me, and it's not something that I even want to aspire to.

[02:15:33] Right.

[02:15:33] I don't want that because I'm comfortable with myself.

[02:15:36] I'm comfortable with what I believe, and I'm fine where I'm at, you know?

[02:15:40] Mm-hmm.

[02:15:40] But I can accept.

[02:15:42] I can accept that somebody has faith.

[02:15:45] Mm-hmm.

[02:15:45] I cannot accept that you defend wrong.

[02:15:47] Yeah, exactly.

[02:15:49] That's the biggest catch point for me with regard to the Bible.

[02:15:53] You just summed everything up for me.

[02:15:55] Thank you.

[02:15:57] All right.

[02:15:57] But let's wrap this up, okay?

[02:15:59] Yeah.

[02:15:59] Here are some key historical events that have been linked to Daniel 11.

[02:16:04] One, the rise and fall of the ancient Greek and—I keep saying Greek—Greek and Ptolemaic empires.

[02:16:11] Sure.

[02:16:11] These two dynasties vying for control of the former Persian Empire are often seen as the king of the north and king of the south, respectively,

[02:16:19] as the conflicts and alliances written in Daniel align remarkably with the historical record.

[02:16:26] Right.

[02:16:26] So, you know, because it was written after the fact.

[02:16:28] Yeah.

[02:16:29] Two, the Antiochus Epiphanes crisis.

[02:16:32] This ancient Greek king's persecution of the Jews, including the desecration of the temple, is a striking fulfillment of prophecies in Daniel 11.

[02:16:42] It's important to note that while many scholars see these historical events as fulfilling specific prophecies in Daniel 11,

[02:16:49] there's also a strong tradition of interpreting the latter part of the chapter as pointing to future yet-to-be-fulfilled events.

[02:16:57] Right.

[02:16:57] Okay.

[02:16:58] So, who knows?

[02:17:00] All right.

[02:17:01] Here are some events in Daniel's final vision according to the Jewish versus Christian traditions.

[02:17:08] Okay.

[02:17:08] While interpretations vary, Jewish and or Christian traditions generally see the following core themes and key events unfolding in Daniel's final vision.

[02:17:18] Okay.

[02:17:19] So, they see a cosmic battle and divine intervention.

[02:17:23] They see end times and tribulation.

[02:17:27] They see restoration and redemption.

[02:17:31] And I'm going to talk a little bit about each of those.

[02:17:34] Okay.

[02:17:34] So, with cosmic battle and divine intervention, both religions see spiritual warfare and cosmic struggle.

[02:17:42] The vision starts with a dramatic portrayal of a cosmic battle between celestial beings representing a spiritual conflict between the forces of good and evil.

[02:17:52] Okay.

[02:17:53] So, Christian belief holds that this foreshadowing the spiritual warfare described in the New Testament.

[02:17:59] Okay.

[02:17:59] So, they put a little bit more spin on it.

[02:18:02] Right.

[02:18:03] Okay.

[02:18:03] Right.

[02:18:03] And then, on top of that, the Christian tradition really builds up the angelic guidance under that whole cosmic battle and divine intervention thing.

[02:18:15] Okay.

[02:18:16] Because Daniel receives guidance and revelation from an angelic messenger who unveils the divine plan for the future.

[02:18:23] And we will read more about angels in the New Testament.

[02:18:27] Okay.

[02:18:28] All right.

[02:18:28] So, I said both of them have a firm belief in end times and the tribulation.

[02:18:36] So, time of distress.

[02:18:37] Daniel receives a detailed prophetic outline of future world events including the rise and fall of empires as well as the persecution of God's people.

[02:18:45] The vision offers a glimpse into the end times and foretells a period of great tribulation for God's people characterized by severe oppression and intense suffering.

[02:18:55] So, both faiths have that understanding.

[02:18:58] Okay.

[02:18:59] Yeah.

[02:18:59] Desecration of the temple.

[02:19:01] A particularly significant event is the abomination of desolation often interpreted as a desecration of the temple in Jerusalem.

[02:19:08] While Jewish tradition attributes this to Antiochus Epiphanes, Christian tradition treats it as the eventual coming of a powerful and tyrannical world leader often identified with the Antichrist.

[02:19:20] Okay.

[02:19:21] So, this is where they differ as to future events versus current events.

[02:19:25] But.

[02:19:25] The end times.

[02:19:26] But.

[02:19:27] Yeah.

[02:19:28] It does depend on which sources you read because Jewish tradition recognizes Antiochus Epiphanes as that stuff that happened before verse 36 and everything after verse 36 as a future some kind of trial and tribulation stuff.

[02:19:47] Okay.

[02:19:48] Because that's where the time of distress they both agree on.

[02:19:52] Got it.

[02:19:52] So, again, it just depends on which Jewish tradition you're going with.

[02:19:57] And this is very generic.

[02:19:58] So, sometimes it'll be one way.

[02:20:01] Sometimes it's the other way.

[02:20:02] Sure.

[02:20:02] Okay.

[02:20:03] Okay.

[02:20:03] All right.

[02:20:03] And last point under end times and tribulation is the final judgment and God's sovereignty.

[02:20:09] Throughout the vision, God's ultimate control over history and human affairs is emphasized.

[02:20:15] This vision culminates in a divine judgment where the righteous will be rewarded and the wicked punished.

[02:20:21] This reinforces the belief in a sovereign God who has a plan for the world.

[02:20:24] And both faiths are okay with that.

[02:20:27] Okay.

[02:20:27] Okay.

[02:20:28] The next point was restoration and redemption.

[02:20:31] Both faiths have understanding of the messianic hope and national restoration.

[02:20:38] Many Jewish interpretations connect Daniel's vision to the ultimate vindication of the Jewish people,

[02:20:44] the reestablishment of their sovereignty and the restoration of their land,

[02:20:50] while many Christians see the vision as pointing forward to the coming of the Son of Man,

[02:20:56] the Messiah Jesus Christ, the ultimate deliverer of God's people.

[02:20:59] So, they both see a Messiah and hope in that and national restoration,

[02:21:04] but they see it a little bit differently from each other.

[02:21:07] Yeah.

[02:21:07] Right.

[02:21:07] Which I thought that was a neat comparison.

[02:21:09] Sure.

[02:21:10] Okay.

[02:21:10] Also, with restoration and redemption, they both see a resurrection, new age, and eternal life.

[02:21:18] Okay.

[02:21:18] Daniel's vision culminates in the resurrection of the dead, a central Christian doctrine.

[02:21:23] The concept of resurrection alludes to the dawn of a new era,

[02:21:28] celebrating God's kingdom and the establishment of divine justice.

[02:21:31] The righteous will experience eternal life, while the wicked will face judgment.

[02:21:36] The Jewish kind of have that.

[02:21:39] They're not, like, real, like, excited about it or anything, like the Christians are.

[02:21:44] Right.

[02:21:44] But it is part of their book.

[02:21:47] Right.

[02:21:47] So, they're like, yeah, that's a thing.

[02:21:49] Yeah.

[02:21:49] But the Christians are, like, super excited about it.

[02:21:52] Right.

[02:21:53] All right.

[02:21:54] Moving on.

[02:21:55] While some elements of Daniel's vision have been seen as directly related to historical events,

[02:22:01] others are understood more symbolically or allegorically.

[02:22:04] And it's crucial to remember that there are general interpretations that both Jewish and Christian scholars have offered several diverse perspectives on.

[02:22:16] Right.

[02:22:16] And the specific timing and nature of these prophecies in various traditions over the centuries have changed dramatically.

[02:22:23] So, the specific details of Daniel's vision remain open to interpretation and debate among scholars.

[02:22:31] Great.

[02:22:32] We have no idea.

[02:22:33] Right.

[02:22:34] Yeah.

[02:22:34] So, all that to say, I don't know.

[02:22:36] Yeah, exactly.

[02:22:37] Right.

[02:22:38] The book of Daniel is classified as apocalyptic literature.

[02:22:42] Literature.

[02:22:43] Okay.

[02:22:43] A genre common in the second temple period.

[02:22:48] Right?

[02:22:49] This genre is characterized by visions, symbolism, and a focus on the end times.

[02:22:56] Yeah.

[02:22:56] It was often used to offer hope and comfort to communities facing oppression.

[02:23:01] I mean, that's exactly what we were saying throughout this whole thing.

[02:23:04] Oh, when I saw that note, I was like, oh, I can't wait till I read this to husband.

[02:23:08] Right.

[02:23:09] Yeah.

[02:23:09] All right.

[02:23:10] I'm almost done.

[02:23:11] A couple more sentences.

[02:23:12] The book of Daniel reflects the concerns and anxieties of Jewish communities living under ancient Greek rule with Antiochus Epiphanes as a particularly cruel figure.

[02:23:23] Remember, we said that his rule was what very likely inspired the writing of the book of Daniel.

[02:23:31] Right.

[02:23:32] So, there it is.

[02:23:33] Right?

[02:23:33] Yeah.

[02:23:34] The visions of persecution and ultimate deliverance can be seen as a response to these historical circumstances and are interpreted by secular scholars as products of the author's imagination, influenced by contemporary beliefs and cultural traditions.

[02:23:50] Yeah.

[02:23:51] Right?

[02:23:52] I mean...

[02:23:52] Like, no lies detected.

[02:23:54] Right.

[02:23:54] No arguments for me.

[02:23:56] Yeah.

[02:23:56] While some elements of Daniel 11 can certainly be correlated with specific historical events, the overall prophetic accuracy is obviously inconsistent.

[02:24:05] In essence, the secular perspective on Daniel's final vision is that it's a complex literary work rooted in its historical context rather than a literal blueprint of future events.

[02:24:19] It's a product of imagination and religion.

[02:24:22] It's a product of imagination and religion reflecting the hopes and fears of a particular time and place.

[02:24:26] Ultimately, as with most biblical literature, the book of Daniel is merely a product of its time.

[02:24:33] The end.

[02:24:35] Yeah.

[02:24:35] Yeah.

[02:24:37] I loved wrapping that up with those final points.

[02:24:41] Yeah.

[02:24:41] Because that is everything that we have said throughout this entire stupid fucking book.

[02:24:46] Right.

[02:24:47] Right.

[02:24:47] I mean, yeah.

[02:24:48] Yeah.

[02:24:49] It's the simple version of this is that it was written by people who were just very...

[02:24:57] They wanted to get back into the swing of their religion, essentially.

[02:25:00] Like, they're here.

[02:25:01] We're back.

[02:25:02] We finally got rid of the...

[02:25:04] We're governing ourselves finally again after hundreds of years.

[02:25:07] And there's no more strife right now.

[02:25:09] Yay.

[02:25:10] Go, Jerusalem.

[02:25:12] Let's celebrate and write some fucking shit that makes us sound great.

[02:25:15] Yay.

[02:25:16] I mean, right?

[02:25:16] That's basically it.

[02:25:17] Yeah.

[02:25:18] Let's get together.

[02:25:18] Let's try to be excited for ourselves and see what we can do to move forward together.

[02:25:23] Yeah.

[02:25:24] Sure.

[02:25:24] And I accept it fully on those premises.

[02:25:27] Yeah.

[02:25:27] Sure.

[02:25:27] But it's so many other things to so many other people that...

[02:25:31] Yeah.

[02:25:31] That's where it starts becoming a problem.

[02:25:34] So problematic.

[02:25:35] Yeah.

[02:25:36] So, I think that's all we had for our Q&A today.

[02:25:39] I think that's more than enough.

[02:25:40] I think it is because we're at like an hour and 15 minutes on this episode.

[02:25:44] Jesus Christ.

[02:25:45] Yeah.

[02:25:45] So, thanks for...

[02:25:47] So, if you stuck through it, thanks for sticking through.

[02:25:50] And I hope you learned something today.

[02:25:52] I did.

[02:25:52] I think it was a good breakdown of the time frames and to understand it a little bit better because

[02:25:58] the back and forth in 11 especially was really, really rough.

[02:26:04] Yeah.

[02:26:04] It wasn't much less rough in the Q&A, but at least we have dates and names and understanding.

[02:26:09] I enjoyed knowing the names of the people and the countries that they represented.

[02:26:15] Right.

[02:26:15] Like, that helped me a little bit.

[02:26:18] It was still a lot because their names happened to be the same a lot of the time.

[02:26:22] Right.

[02:26:22] Which you might as well have just said North and South and North and South.

[02:26:25] Antichrist and Silica...

[02:26:29] Silica...

[02:26:30] Silica...

[02:26:30] Silica...

[02:26:31] Silica...

[02:26:31] Whatever.

[02:26:32] Yeah.

[02:26:34] All right.

[02:26:34] Let's get out of here.

[02:26:35] All right.

[02:26:35] Bye, guys.

[02:26:36] Bye.

[02:26:36] Bye.

[02:26:37] Bye.