Bible Study by Atheists Weekly: Ezekiel Chapters 36 - 40 plus Q&A and Patreon Teaser

[00:00:00] Welcome to Sacrilegious Discourse. For this is what the sovereign Lord says! Why do you need prophets to tell people who you are and what you want? If you can justify everything that the God of the Bible has done, then you can justify any of your behavior.

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[00:00:53] Well, on Friday we read Ezekiel Chapters 35. And in that chapter God was talking about Mount Seer. That was the Edomites who apparently they were helping destroy the Israelites. Which was God's doing. Not always! They had been against the Israelites from the very beginning.

[00:01:23] Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, I mean being animes is one thing. But in this particular time it was God bringing the Babylonians against Israel and the Edomites assisted somehow. So God was attacking them and then the Edomites helped and then God was like

[00:01:42] fuck you, Edomites. Okay but to be fair to God Jesus Christ the Cameras. It wasn't just that one act that God was punishing the Edomites for. They had throughout the Israelites history done a number of things.

[00:02:00] Like going as far back as when Moses was leading the people through the desert that 40 years and they had wanted to pass through the land of the Edomites and they said absolutely fucking not.

[00:02:13] Sure, we still hate you. No I get it. They've been mad at them for a long time. But I mean it's still God attacking Israel at the same time that the Edomites are helping this time.

[00:02:24] This is just a particular time. And then that's when they occupy their land. So I mean, it was a bit of you know convenient time to punish them I guess? Sure. If you're going to punish them, sure. Whatever. So I'm just I don't particularly,

[00:02:39] I'm not down with God's punishments on anybody because it seems very just randomly dispersed to people. Yes, I agree with you. But anyway that is what happened in a ZQ chapter 35. Yes. Which means that today we're getting into ZQ chapter 36. And before we do,

[00:02:59] I want to mention that we are still catching up from being behind. We didn't get a Patreon out this weekend but we will have one out mid week. Yes, I've been working on it. I've just I've been

[00:03:11] behind on everything. So that's my fall ofology. We will get one out shortly. So that being said, we're going to go ahead and get into a ZQ chapter 36. And are you ready, wife? Yep. All right. Let's do this. Okay, okay.

[00:03:30] All right. We are hopping into a ZQ chapter 36 or as I like to call it, ZQ. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, ready. I'm ready. Son of man. Yeah, mere human. You're fucking warm. Prophecy to the mountains of Israel and say mountains of Israel. Here are the word

[00:03:49] of the Lord. This is what the sovereign Lord says. I mean, nothing like speaking to some rocks. The enemy said of you. The ancient heights have become our possession here. Okay. So we're kind of still maybe talking about the United States here. Yeah, the beginning parts here

[00:04:06] is part of the last chapter. Okay. So yeah, it's like to be continued. Yeah. We didn't know because we thought it was the end. Sure. On Friday and then it's like, oh fuck. Yeah. But the whole chapter isn't

[00:04:22] it's just the beginning part. Okay. Yeah. They're full prophecy and say this is what the sovereign Lord says because they ravaged and crushed you from every side so that you became the possession of the rest of the nations and the object of people's malicious talk and slander.

[00:04:40] Therefore, mountains of Israel, here the word of the sovereign Lord. This is what the sovereign Lord says to the mountains and the hills, to the ravines and valleys, to the desolate ruins and

[00:04:53] the deserted towns that have been plundered and ridiculed by the rest of the nations around you. Sure. What the, what the, what the, what she said he was going to have them do. Yeah. So this was all part

[00:05:02] of the initial prophecy and now he's he's going to be mad at the people that did the thing that he said that they were going to do. God is mad at God's in the full plan. Right. Yeah. I mean,

[00:05:12] again, it doesn't, it doesn't work in my head. I'm like, you can't, you're just mad all the fucking time dude. Right. Right. Right. Whatever. Never not be mad. Right. This is what the sovereign Lord says.

[00:05:25] In my burning zeal, I have spoken against the rest of the nations and against all eat-on for with Glee and with malice in their hearts. They made my land their own possession

[00:05:37] so that they might plunder its pasture land. But you say he was going to make that land desolate and not, and not good. So how can you plunder something that's already bad? It wasn't bad, but failed.

[00:05:49] But God said he was going to do that. He said he was going to do it, but clearly he didn't eat my blood. That's why I'm pointing that because therefore prophecy concerning the land of Israel

[00:06:00] and say to the mountains and hills to the ravines and valleys this is what the sovereign Lord says. Yeah, that's the one. I speak in my jealous wrath because you have suffered the scorn of the nations.

[00:06:14] Therefore this is what the sovereign Lord says. The added before the beginning of every sentence. Yeah. I swear with uplifted hand that the nations around you will also suffer scorn. Okay. But you mountains of Israel will produce branches and fruit for my people

[00:06:38] Israel for they will soon come home. Okay. That's not some years later. Right? Yeah, no. I mean, and this goes to the part where I'm like they're talking about a new, they're they're talking

[00:06:48] about a soon-to-happened prophecy. Like this goes to that whole idea and I keep saying that this doesn't make sense to where we push this off to be Jesus at some point. Right. But whatever we're talking about near future. Yeah. You're talking about when they refer to David.

[00:07:06] Yeah, when they refer to David and when they when they make assumptions that these are things that are going to still happen. Whatever there's there's definite things that Christians, especially take from the Old Testament and they say hey this is gonna happen, you know, either when Jesus

[00:07:20] was alive or when he's coming back the second time. Right? And I'm like no, they're not this isn't how it reads guys. No, no, it doesn't read that way. No, you're trying too hard over there guys.

[00:07:33] I, God, according to a Zikil, and concerns for you and we'll look on you with favor. You will be plowed and soon and I will cause many people to live on you. Yes, all of Israel,

[00:07:48] the towns will be inhabited and the ruins rebuilt. I, you know, God, according to Zikil, will increase the number of people and animals living on you and they will be fruitful and become

[00:08:00] numerous. I will settle people on you as in the past and we'll make you prosper more than before. Then you will know that I'm the Lord. And this is, this is problematic actually today. This

[00:08:13] is, this is partly why Israel feels they have the right to create settlements on Palestinian lands. And this is why, you know, they, they feel that they have this ownership of this land is because

[00:08:24] of the Bible, right? And I don't want to disparage the right of Israel to exist where they are. But it does contribute to the fact that they are very, they're fighting against people that are

[00:08:40] already there to create this space that was allotted to them in the Bible. And that has turned into some ugly situations. Yes. All I'm saying. Yeah. So, you know, it is there's a lot of bad

[00:08:55] situations all the way around. You know, I don't want to not acknowledge that the Israelites and Jewish people have had a rough time in the world. But they're also now creating a rough time in

[00:09:05] the world. I was going to say that other people are not justifying genocide on other people. No, it does not. They, you were genocide at one time, does not afford you the right to genocide others

[00:09:17] for your land. They, you absolutely have to have in can't share right? I, one of the cop, caveat that because it's usually people will call you anti-Semitic if you say that they don't

[00:09:28] have the right to exist in their land. Whatever. It's not even the whole argument that is made by the people who are adamantly for Israel is to the point of absurdity. You don't, you're not

[00:09:42] allowing for real life and real happenings. You know, the people that accuse you of being anti-Semitic are generally the most anti-Semitic Christians who are using this situation to pretend that they're totally pro-Jewish and pros-Ion and pro everything is real. Yeah. And it's like

[00:10:02] in that convenient, all of a sudden you just love these people that you, you didn't love yet. It's not that they love them. It's a, they're part of a prophecy. They're part of the completion

[00:10:14] of their religion and therefore they must exist because of that. Right. That's all it is. But that's what I'm saying like all of a sudden because of this situation, they're like,

[00:10:23] oh no, no, we totally, if you don't like it then you're anti-Semitic and I'm like shut the fuck up because today you were anti-Semitic. Right, but it's because it's an effective, you know, it's an effective jab at you. Right. You call someone anti-Semitic, obviously based on

[00:10:40] recent history that that doesn't sound good. Right. It's not, it doesn't sit well with people of any type. So well, anti-Zion is not anti-Semitic. Correct. And anti-wanting the Palestinians to not be genocideed is not anti-Semitic. I completely agree. Wanting a peaceful situation for

[00:11:01] both parties is not anti-Semitic. Agreed. So, fuck anybody who says otherwise they clearly don't understand the history or geography of the place and or they don't give a fuck about it. Right. Let's have a rational discussion about it outside of religious practices. Right. Exactly.

[00:11:19] That's all I want. Exactly. Wouldn't that be nice? We really would. It really wouldn't. And that goes for anything anywhere ever. Yeah. Like let's just skip the religion's bit. You know, I mean, okay, you have a very historical religious place that you want to keep.

[00:11:33] I'm down with that. That's cool. You know, we can talk about that outside of religion even. You know, they said it's historical place for you. Let's talk about it. Yeah. But can we not include like genociding other people and justifying it because God said, God said I could.

[00:11:50] God said I could. So I will. Anyway, fuck this God and all his murdery bullshit. Right. Right. Who says, I will cause people. My people is real to live on you. They will possess you and

[00:12:03] you will be their inheritance. You will never again deprive them of their children. This is what the sovereign Lord says. Yeah. Yeah. Because some say to you, you devour people and deprive your nation of his children. Therefore, you will no longer devour

[00:12:18] people or make your nation childless to clare as the sovereign Lord? Who's he talking to? I don't even know the people in the mountains or the Israelites. I thought he was talking to

[00:12:29] the Israelites, but that sounded like he did just talking to. He did say it was something like he was going to make the women of Israel or Judah eat their children and stuff because they'd

[00:12:40] be starving so much in the Babylonian exile. That's true. So that maybe what he's referring to? You're not going to be. You're not going to, you're no longer going to eat your child.

[00:12:48] Yay. That's also great. Look how good of a God I am. I'm not going to make you make you eat your children anymore. We're such a great God. That sounds fun. The par is so fucking low.

[00:13:00] I know. No longer will I make you hear the tons of the nations and that is what I cared most about. He does not my salvation. I mean, that's probably why he brings him back in the first place because

[00:13:10] he's like, this sucks. They don't, that no one is crazy me. No one believes on powerful. You. And no longer will you suffer the scorn of the peoples or cause your nation to fall

[00:13:21] declares the sovereign Lord. Okay. Again, the word of the Lord came to me. Son of man. Yeah, mere human. Yeah, fucking worm. When the people of Israel were living in their own land, they defiled it by their conduct and their actions. Their conduct was like a woman's monthly

[00:13:41] unclean. It's my side. You period you, you menstruation. God dammit you menstruation. You know, he caused menstruation to happen. You fucking disgusting bleeding vagina is fucking invention. I know. According to the Bible, you know, I mean, you can't make the human and then say,

[00:14:03] ah, that's disgusting. You made that. Right. You could have made it without that. Right. Why didn't you? If you find it so fucking repulsive. Right. Oh, I can't believe you're bleeding out your vagina even though I made you do that specifically. Yeah. You're so disgusting. No, it's

[00:14:20] fuck you. The fucking like the ancient Israel, what are these ancient times? It's just a bunch of fucking insels. Yeah. So they don't even understand women at all. No, they just own them. Yep. That's it.

[00:14:34] Yep. So anyway, periods are gross. Blood, blood, blood. So I poured out my wrath on them because they had shed blood in the land and because they had to file it with their idols. Fucking a

[00:14:44] share of holes. I dispersed them among the nations and they were scattered through the countries. I judged them according to their conduct and their actions. And wherever they went among the

[00:14:56] nations, they profaneed my holy name for it was said of them. These are the Lord's people and yet they had to leave his land. What's it? So okay, so this is a bit where he's concerned about

[00:15:07] his fucking image. Yeah. He's like, he's passing it off that they're worried. Right. He's the one. Yeah. He's like, oh, these people outside are like, what's up with that God? Well,

[00:15:18] no, in this and you know that this is like the like Azikyo, right? He's a he's a fucking prophet and he's sitting there in Babylon preaching about fucking God and people in Babylon are going

[00:15:31] to do it. You just kind of fucking conquered, man. What do you think? Your God sucks, man. Yeah. What do you think? So this is just projection. This is Azikyo like, oh, this sucks. We

[00:15:42] got to figure out a way to get this fixed. Yeah. Exactly. I got according to Azikyo. Yeah. I had concern for my holy name which the people of Israel profane among the nations where they

[00:15:54] had gone. Therefore say to these realites, this is what the sovereign Lord says. Okay. It is not for your sake people of Israel that I'm going to do these things. Wait, wait. He just got to understand

[00:16:08] that they're going to be wonderful and perfect when they come back. But he's like, you're profaneing and I'm not doing them for you. I'm going to do this for me. Yeah. I'm going to bring you back.

[00:16:18] But because my name is getting trash. Part of the prophecy was that he was going to make their hearts like they were going to be the most perfect, perfect people in the whole perfect fucking world.

[00:16:28] We're not there yet though. Right. He wasn't going to bring him back until that was supposed that was supposed to happen when he brought them back. Yeah. But then they started making fun of

[00:16:36] those things. Oh God. He's couldn't handle it. I was like, no. Okay. Oh my am powerful. Watch. Watch. So he's saying, I'm going to bring you back, not for your sake. But for the

[00:16:50] sake of my holy name, would you have profane among the nations where you have gone? I will show the holiness of my great name which has been profane among the nations. The

[00:17:01] name you have profane among them. Yeah. Then the nations will know that I am the Lord. So declares this offer in Lord. First he's going to destroy people that shows that he is the Lord.

[00:17:10] And then he's going to save people and that's going to show him that he's the the show that he's the Lord. And next till I don't know what do a fucking magic trick, you know actually

[00:17:21] magic trick would probably be better. At least then there's something happening that I can see that like if it was like true magic right, I'd be able to see it. Yeah. But this is just silly

[00:17:32] politics and bullshit. Yeah. Then the nations will know that I am the Lord when I am proved holy through you before their eyes. For I will take you out of the nations. I will gather you from all the

[00:17:44] countries and bring you back into your own land. If I recall correctly, it was actually Cyrus that did that wasn't it? Yeah. I think you're right. Not God. Yep. Yep. Okay. I will sprinkle clean water on you

[00:17:56] and you will be clean. I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you. There you go. I wonder if that's where like

[00:18:07] holy water came from. Properly in the wood like the baptism of the holy water. Yeah. That good sounds not convenient. But yeah baptism. Right. Yeah I wonder. That's interesting. Well,

[00:18:19] clean water. We and then you'll be clean. Right. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you. I will remove from you your heart of stone. Okay. And give you a heart of flesh. Here it is.

[00:18:31] There you go. He's fixing the people. Yeah. He's just doing it sooner than we thought he was going to because he was like the thinking in front of me. Well, the reasoning behind why he's doing it obviously

[00:18:40] is very not good. Yeah. Like this is not a good reason to fix your people. You are fixing your people out of vanity. And if you can fix them because your disturbed at what other people think

[00:18:53] of you as a God, why couldn't you definitely could have fixed them before they got fucking murdered conquered and whatever. Right. They give it there is no actual good reason as to why you're fixing

[00:19:06] them. Right. Which means that you had no good reason for destroying them. Exactly. So like either way, you're doing this action for a bad reason and that means that you're decision to

[00:19:18] do the bad thing where you murdered a lot of them and dispersed them across all the places was bad to begin with. You you fucked up. Yeah. God fucked up. You have a mercurial temperament.

[00:19:29] You're petty and capricious. And you are unreliable. And you are your mood turns on a dime. Yeah. Don't like it. No. And I will put my spirit in you and move you to follow my

[00:19:44] decrees and be careful to keep my laws. Okay. Then you will live in the land. I gave you answers. You will be my people and I will be your God. I will save you from all your uncleanness.

[00:19:57] The uncleanness that I put there in the first place. Yeah. I will call for the grain and make it plentiful and we'll not bring famine upon you. That's nice. Yeah. Thank you for this time. Right.

[00:20:10] I mean, could you maybe wind back time so that, you know, my family didn't die? I'm not. I don't know how much we can rely on his promises though. I really don't think that he holds up

[00:20:20] his end of the bargain very often. And moreover, he comes up with excuses not to. Right. He's like whatever you guys are fucking up. I'm doing this exactly. So or, but he never, he's never,

[00:20:32] this is not, I just kind of say it one more time. He is not fixing this for the right fucking reason. He's a bad guy. There is no, this isn't holy. This isn't, this is just bullshit.

[00:20:43] Yeah. This is not any reason to justify what you did in the first place. Right. Like if you, you were playing on doing this because your, your, your, your mad at how these other

[00:20:54] nations see you. That's crazy, man. You, you just, why do you need validation from these other people? Yeah. Like why you worried about them? You're good for folks think, why are you worried about

[00:21:06] them? But bothers me why like he fixed his people because of this reason. That's what bothers me. Yeah. It's not that he, it's not that he did the action, the, the action and the first place

[00:21:17] was bad enough. Okay. But if you're gonna do something that drastic to your, your people who consider you, your, their God. Yeah. Then you should have a equal, if not better reason to bring them back

[00:21:31] and say that these are now your people and they must have learned that they should have learned to lesson. Right. But no, you're just changing their hearts. Would you could have done it at any point?

[00:21:40] Exactly. According to you, according to you, according to this Bible, that's what you could have done at any point. In canon, and that's why this story sucks. Yeah. I will increase the

[00:21:51] fruit of the trees and the crops of the field so that you will no longer suffer disgrace among the nations because of famine. I worry about you suffer, you're attitude and your reputation suffering because of the famine that you're going through. I don't worry about the famine itself.

[00:22:07] Yeah. This is all about the reputation. Yeah. Oh my God. This is so stupid. It is. Then you will remember your evil ways and wicked deeds and you will load yourselves for your sins

[00:22:19] and detestable practices. I need an ashrappel. I'm telling you, right? Right. I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake to clear the sovereign war. Be ashamed and disgraced for

[00:22:32] your conduct people of Israel. Exclamation point. Okay. This is what the sovereign Lord says. On the day I cleanse you from all your sins, I will resettle your towns and the ruins will be rebuilt.

[00:22:47] That's great. The desolate land will be cultivated instead of lying desolate in the site of all who passed through it. But it wasn't too desolate for the Eidamites to take it out. Yeah. Exactly. But we're still claiming that it was. Yeah. But he destroyed the Eidamites. Well,

[00:23:01] whatever. He's saying he's going to destroy the Eidamites for taking over that desolate land that was also fruitful at the time when the Eidamites took it over. Right. I know when you said no,

[00:23:11] you have to know. I can't track of all the fucking lies that are happening in these prophecies. Like it's just like whatever they want to say it any given. It's just like Trump. Like it's going to say any point.

[00:23:19] You just say whatever the fuck you want to say and that's the way it's supposed to be and that's what we're supposed to believe that you did. And I'm not that's not a good answer. No. It's not an acceptable answer.

[00:23:30] It's not especially in a Bible that is supposed to be the word of an infallible God, that we're supposed to worship and believe is given us afterlife and you know, making everything

[00:23:41] on this entire earth away it is. He's supposed to be good and holy. He's not good. I could do. I mean, I don't give a fuck if he's good and holy. I just want to know that he is powerful enough

[00:23:50] to at least say things in a manner that makes sense. Like he can't even say a sentence. He can't even keep his facts straight from one fucking paragraph to the next. And the Christians don't care.

[00:24:02] Then the Christians don't care. And that's weird. Yeah. I'm like y'all are weird. And then they will say there's it's all true. You're reading it wrong. I'm like the fuck I am. It's literally the same wording that he's using desolation in one place where he used fruit. Like

[00:24:20] it was I just I can't I can't. It's so you're mad that it doesn't make sense even though we went in knowing it. No, I know what that looks. I know the Bible does I've always known

[00:24:33] that there is some bullshit regarding the Bible and I obviously as we've been going through here, I've learned more and more how much bullshit is in the Bible, right? But this whole chapter right

[00:24:44] here. And and the last chapter has included things that are just bulb-faced lies with regard to how God claimed things went down. And moreover, they are in back-to-back paragraphs have the time.

[00:24:59] And it's just you can't ignore this amount of just wrong. It's so fucking wrong. It's very wrong. And the actions he's taking are morally bankrupt. It's just not it's not this is not a God that

[00:25:14] I wouldn't even want to worship if he was a God. It's not a good book. It's really not. They will say this land that was laid waste has become like the Garden of Eden, the cities that were lying in ruins, desolate and destroyed are not fortified and inhabited.

[00:25:34] It's just really mad though because you know Egypt and what was the other place they had the better trees and the the the the the the the the Syria yeah yeah yeah so like it's still it might be like the

[00:25:43] Garden of Eden guys, but you didn't get to the best place. Yeah so then the nations around you that remain will know that I the Lord have rebuilt what was destroyed and have replanted what was

[00:25:58] desolate. I the Lord have spoken and I will do it. Hmm okay. This is what the sovereign Lord says. So all right yeah once again I will heal to Israel's plea and do this for them.

[00:26:13] Well he was just saying he was the one that was pissed off than whatever. Fuck that. It's so great. Say did. I will make their people as numerous as sheep as numerous as the

[00:26:24] flux for offerings at Jerusalem during her appointed festivals. You slower it is numbers quite a bit. He was used to say sand and stars and now we're in the sea. Now just that she should. Yeah count sheep

[00:26:35] before you go to sleep he will run out no doubt. So will the ruined cities be filled with flux of people then they will know that I am the Lord. That's not what I'm that's not how I'm getting taken this

[00:26:49] exactly. Yeah nothing. Okay I don't I think I got most out most of the things out that I wanted to say in that chapter because it was pissed me off the whole way through. Yes. But this is

[00:27:03] it's just not right this this book is not right it's not correct it's not good it's not it's not a God that anybody should want to follow there's nothing here that makes any God damn

[00:27:15] sense. None. So I don't know what else to say like that with that whole chapter was just a bunch of contradictions about how he's going to act and and really bad reasoning as to why

[00:27:26] he was doing the actions that he was doing. Right. Like that was just a horrible chapter where when it comes to trying to say that this God is a powerful or good or just anything. He's not

[00:27:42] any of those things he's just dumb. He's just bad and more. Right and more over it's just as he he'll just place him this onto this God that that action is that he wants to see so. The Seeky will be

[00:27:52] cray. Yep all right well that was the Seeky ll chapter 36. Sure it's fuck was which means that we'll be back tomorrow with. The Seeky ll chapter 37. All right we'll see you then. Bye. What's been? wife. Do you remember what happened yesterday and where the hell we ought to

[00:28:15] gay? Well yesterday we read a Seeky ll chapter 36. Sure it's fuck did. And in that chapter God cited that he was really upset about how everyone was mocking him and that he just kind of looked

[00:28:31] like a pitiful piece of shit god and so he was like I'm going to now save my people but not because I like them but because I want other people to think well of me and I can't stand how people see me.

[00:28:46] It's about vanity. Yeah yeah that was a that was pretty much though he talked mountains too. He did. That was that that was in there. Yeah. So you know whatever he was talking to that

[00:28:58] was the e-demites and then they he didn't like them and he didn't like them mocking them and then he brought the people back and whatever. Yep. It's all a bunch of bullshit. You got it.

[00:29:06] Yeah so that was his e-kill chapter 36. Yes it was. Which means that today we're getting into a Zeekeel chapter 37. All right let's do this. Okay don't keep. All right we are hopping into easy Kyle chapter 37. Or you see a little

[00:29:28] Zeekeel you asshole. And I just have to say before we jump into this I have gotten away from reading out the title of the chapter. Yeah it's been awesome speed to that.

[00:29:44] Yeah because it wasn't included in the original text. Right but I really like this one and what to steal it. I think I think we have like creative license and we're allowed to cover these titles

[00:29:57] when and if we choose. So therefore I grant you permission to cover the title. You know me your permission but I'm glad you say and I'm just saying as far as you know I'm glad you're a few

[00:30:07] with those of vote in here I'm gonna all vote to go. I'm glad you're on board. Yeah okay this one is the valley of dry bones. Tell me that's not an epic title for a book. Yeah yeah my favorite

[00:30:20] the valley of dry bones. They did good with the title let's see how they did with the text. Yeah I don't know. All right the hand of the Lord was on me. Okay and he brought me out

[00:30:30] by the spirit of the Lord and set me in the middle of a valley. The hand of the Lord was on him and he brought him out by the spirit of the Lord. Okay. The hand in the spirit I just got together

[00:30:39] that's a lot of the Lord being on you and doing things with you. Yeah he turned them all around. Yep and they went to the middle of a valley it was full of bones dry bones maybe even.

[00:30:50] Maybe I don't know. Yeah he led me back and forth among them and I saw a great many bones on the floor of the valley. Bones that were very dry. There we go. There it is. Yep now now we have

[00:31:01] the high bones. He asked me son of man. Yeah mere human. You're fucking warm. Can these bones live? No they cannot. I said, sovereign Lord you alone know. I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this one.

[00:31:16] I mean that was like the smartest way to say fuck knows. Right. Then he said to me, prophecy to these bones and say to them, dry bones here the word of the Lord. Does he really say that?

[00:31:32] Yes oh my god. This is what the son of Lord says to these bones. This is such bullshit. I will make breath enter you and you will come to life. Why do you have to have a do tell them that?

[00:31:45] They're not alive yet. Jesus Christ. I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin. I will put breath in you and you will come to life. We're literally talking

[00:31:59] about like the zombie apocalypse here. This is the goddess got his bringing back to life dead people. Yeah. Okay. As you do. Okay. As you do. Okay. Then you will know that I'm the Lord.

[00:32:12] I mean if you do that just okay. I'm just going to clarify right now. If somebody told me, I'm speaking for the Lord and the Lord telling me I'm going to bring back these dry bones

[00:32:23] and they're going to come back to life with tendons and flesh and the whole thing. Right? And then it happens. I'm totally on board with the whole god thing. I will just I'm going to

[00:32:32] stipulate that right now. I don't know that I'm on god on board with a god thing but I am on board with something magical just happened and I would really like to know what the fuck it was. Yeah.

[00:32:43] Yeah. Yeah. So I profited as I was commanded. I as a keel. Okay. And to the to the dry bones. To the dry bones. Better not yet. Yeah. The vision. This is an a vision remember. Are we sure?

[00:32:56] They didn't stipulate that. Yeah. I thought it did. The hand of the Lord brought me um, set me in the middle of a valley. Oh no, you're right. Yeah. Right. No. No. I mean it sounds like

[00:33:04] it could maybe be a vision but it doesn't actually say that it's a vision because it's a lot like the time that he was transported over to um, Judah remember how he got transported to the

[00:33:15] and that was a vision. That was a vision. So like this could be interpreted as a vision and I'm sure if somebody were to like say no well this was a vision okay but he still but God saying that he can

[00:33:26] bring dead people back to life. Okay. Like a whole fucking valley of dry bones back to the tallya. Okay. All right. What valley is this? I don't know. I mean you think it's maybe

[00:33:36] a henna or something like that. Right. Yeah. So I as a keel prophecy that I was commanded and as I was prophecy in there was a noise a rattling sound. Oh my. And the bones came together.

[00:33:49] Bone to bone. I looked and tendons and flesh appeared on them and skin covered them but there was no breath in them. I'm having images of the movie The Army of Darkness. As we're reading this because it just reminds me of the skeleton army that comes against

[00:34:06] whatever the you know people that were fighting against the evil forces or whatever. So see what I was picturing was that old timey black and white Halloween cartoon with the dancing skeletons. Yeah. Yeah. Then he said to me prophecy to the breath prophecy son of man.

[00:34:26] Prophecy to the okay okay okay I'm just I'm gonna let this one ride and let this go. Prophecy to the son of man. Yeah. Near human. Yep. I'm working. Sorry.

[00:34:35] And say I'm a little I'm a little bent here as far as what's going on like this is this is pretty fucking nuts. It really is. And say to it this is what the sovereign Lord says come breath

[00:34:48] from the four winds and breathe into these slain that they might live. Okay. We literally have zombies happening. I mean yeah what it is this. I'm not sure what to even think of. I cannot on this planet

[00:35:03] if there are bones that come back to life no absolutely not. Okay I did this is a zikil right? The dude this saw the fucking angels with what was on eyeballs with eyeballs and wheels in the sky

[00:35:17] and and he laid them as goddamn side for a year. And now he's seen fucking bones come back to life. Did you know I think this guy is on lots of drugs or really fucking psychotic? Did you know

[00:35:29] the book of a zikil was so problematic and so many different ways that it almost was not included. I can see why. Yeah I think they played a game in a past. Yeah. Past skip. There's so much in here you can just be like

[00:35:43] that's no this is too these sounds like a really just out of the it's out of place. It sounds like some sort of fantasy novel sometimes. One of these things is not like the other. No yeah and I mean that

[00:35:56] could apply to a lot of things in this book but a zikil was right at the top of that list. Yeah right. So I zikil prophecy does he commanded me and breath entered them. They came to life

[00:36:10] and stood up on their feet a vast army. Okay. Oh I do not like this please. No. Then he said to me son of man. Yeah mere human. You fucking worm these bones are the people of his

[00:36:24] real. I can't there's a homebeats. What is happening right now? I mean this is this is dumb. This is dumb. Why does the Bible have zombies inside of it? I don't know. I'm I tell our

[00:36:43] listeners how scared of zombies. Oh yeah wife is is terrified of zombies. Like my irrational fear. My my sister has an irrational fear of aliens and my irrational fear is zombies. And sometimes when

[00:36:59] there's fog unlike that zombie fog there's zombies out there. Mine is is wasps and hornets. And bees. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. There's a bee story. So I was I had my window down the other day I was driving

[00:37:12] and had my hand hanging out the window you know as you do. As you do you know and in a bug it's my hand smack it and then that bug bounces into my cheek and stings me in the cheek and then

[00:37:30] and then it like is dying curled up on my shirt as I'm driving. So I just I was part of my drive to work as a country road so I was on a country road I just stopped the car in the little road.

[00:37:43] I just I had to I had to figure I grab something like a piece paper and then through this thing out that the window you littered a bug I mean I have no qualms about this. You had to be done

[00:37:58] you got to get to be out. Right yeah that was my first that was my only priority. But I got stung in the cheek as I was driving but my hand out the window that was I never happened I

[00:38:09] have I've been stung in like over 20 years. Yeah and then I just driving to work with my hand out the window that's how it happened. And that's why you keep your hands in the right at all times.

[00:38:19] Don't keep your hand out the window could grief. But I'd much rather get stung than see an army of zombie slash skeletons come to life and come to me. Yeah this is not okay you say this is like literally

[00:38:30] okay. Yeah. Son of man. You're mere human. You have fucking worm these bones are the people of Israel they say our bones are dried up and our hope is gone we are cut off. But yeah you are because

[00:38:45] you're fucking dead. And the right yeah. Therefore prophecy and say to them this is what the sovereign Lord says my people I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them. What

[00:39:01] I cannot I will bring you back to the land of Israel. What is going to are they going to I feel like this has got to be a just it's alluding to the fact if I think that people that are in

[00:39:16] their graves and the people that have the dried bones or the people that have been exile not necessarily like it has to be if we're if we're to believe that this is part of the Bible and saying something

[00:39:26] about what is going on it has to be the people that are exiled and he's referring to them as having been they were dead. The equivalent of dried up bones. They might as well have been dead to have been scattered so far.

[00:39:38] I guess and this has got like reinstalling his word, his vision, his whatever into them and that's when they're going to be able to come back right? I really don't know but I'm not happy about it. No I

[00:39:50] much prefer as we're reading it to view this from the literal standpoint of which it's being read and that's to say that there's a zombie apocalypse just happening here in a valley somewhere with as he's healing God because that's just crazy. That's that's nuts. This is disturbing me

[00:40:07] on all kinds of levels and I'm sorry for my reaction but I'm not down with zombies, guys. I cannot then you my people will know that I'm the Lord when I open your graves and bring you up from them.

[00:40:24] That's how I know. I mean that are a witch. This is better, as far as knowing that someone's the Lord this is a better trick. As I have said then another thing she's done. True. So

[00:40:39] I I God according to his e-gail. Yeah yeah we'll put my spirit in you and you will live and I will settle you in your own land then you will know that I'm the Lord and I've spoken and

[00:40:52] I've done it declares the Lord. You spoke him and he's done it. Yep. I'll drop people back from the dead. Okay please let that section be over. We're entering a new section of this chapter. Okay. He's let

[00:41:05] there be no zombies now. Okay. The word of the Lord came to me. Okay. Son of man. You're human and skeletons. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Take a stick of wood and right on it

[00:41:23] belonging to Judah and the Israelites associated with him. Okay I'm going to write that shit on this is the trailer trail marker that you put up on the path. Is that there's a real? Yeah. Okay.

[00:41:36] Or in the movie what's it called? Benops and broomsticks. It happens during World War II when they were like shipping the children out of London to avoid the bombings. Right. And so there's Nazis looking for the town of Pepper and Jai. Okay. And so the approach,

[00:42:01] the intersection and this guy is painting over the signs and they're asking him which way to Pepper and Jai and he's like, oh I don't know! And I love it. Sorry that had no relevance other than

[00:42:17] you said sign marker on the tree. Yep. Okay. So you're going to write some words on this stick. Yeah. Then take another stick of wood and write on it belonging to Joseph that is to E from

[00:42:30] and all the Israelites associated with him. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Now take those two sticks ready. Before taking those two sticks, yeah. Join them together into one stick so that they will be come one in your hand. I don't know how this is happening. Bring them back all the

[00:42:47] scribes. Is that what they say? Put them together. Okay. When your people ask you, won't you tell us what you mean by this? Your sticks. What do you deal with those sticks there? Zekil. Right. Hey Zekil. How about those sticks? Yeah. Hey Zekil. Nice sticks.

[00:43:04] When your people ask you, won't you tell us what you mean by this? Say to them, this is what Solvenile says. I'm going to take the stick of Joseph, which is an E from

[00:43:14] hand and of the Israelites tribes associated with them and join it to do to stick. I'm gonna put those. I got touch those sticks. You know what I'm gonna stick? This sticks kind of

[00:43:25] stick together. Mm-hmm. I will make them into a single stick of wood and they will become one in my hand. Okay. Hold before your, before their eyes, the sticks you have written on and say to them,

[00:43:39] this is what Solvenile says. Mm-hmm. I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. Okay. I will make them one nation in the land on the mountains of Israel.

[00:43:57] There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms. Okay. They will no longer defile themselves with their idols and

[00:44:09] vile images or with any of their offenses, but I will save them from all their sinful backslighting. And I'll cleanse them. They will be my people and I will be their god. Tala-la-la-la-la-la-la we do. That section about the zombies, the skeletons, whatever.

[00:44:30] Moving on. No, I know. But I mean, seen as we did move on so quickly from that and there's like no follow-up with it. It has to be some sort of just like a metaphor as to what it was a vision occurring

[00:44:41] right? And that's the bringing back of Israel to the, you know, land that's broken honey, right? Bones and steps and fiends. I'm assuming that I loved it. I think that's a great chapter

[00:44:57] as far as making fun of the Bible because it's just like, why the fuck? There's something in the Bible. I think it is probably a metaphor for what I don't think. I don't like that it didn't

[00:45:06] specifically spell out that it was a vision. Right. I don't either. But like I said, you took them to this valley and it's like looking at these bones standing out. Sure. Sure. But I mean,

[00:45:17] if you take the earlier one where they brought it to Judah and that was a vision, the wording is very similar. And given how many missed translations there have been and different

[00:45:26] things like that, I think we could easily say, that's probably the same. You could interpret it the same way. All right. That's all I said. And I'm not, you know, I'm not fair to the Bible where

[00:45:36] I'm fair. No. So I mean, I just, I'm trying to be a little bit fair here. That's it. My servant David, you know, the dead guy. Yeah. While we're talking about zombies.

[00:45:47] My servant David will be king over them and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrease. Okay. They will live in the land I gave to my servant

[00:46:00] Jacob, the land where your ancestors lived. They and their children and their children's children will live there forever. And David, my servant will be their prince forever. See. So this is,

[00:46:16] this is more of that Zionism. This is more of that. They are owed this land forever forever forever. And when you get into Christianity, this is where they're like, well, this is fulfilling the prophecy of what is to come. Right? And since it hasn't, these things haven't happened.

[00:46:34] Right. Not in any real meaningful sense. Right. So these are seen I think today as future prophecies of the second coming. Yes. With regard to Christianity or in Jewish tradition, it would be the first coming. Yes. Right. Yes. So I don't like this aspect of the Bible because

[00:46:53] it has so many bad connotations with regard to politics and everything today. And obviously the Palestinian Israeli war that's went on right now. So I mean there's just a lot of bad ship with because I mean surrounding this. They're like, move. This is our land die. I'm here.

[00:47:09] This is our land. Just die. No, and the very ultra right wing in Israel is very much for that type of ideology. So it's kind of scary. Yeah. Like I don't think God meant for the next

[00:47:24] 2,500 years just keep killing everybody all the time. Yeah. I mean, well, the God of this Bible did clearly. Well, it strikes me that we are a modern nation's right? Well, we would consider today modern civilizations. Right? And yet we are still having religious wars. We're still having

[00:47:45] in in Western cultures. Yeah. We are still participating in what could be deemed as a religious war. Yeah. It's so ridiculous. It really is. It makes you just want to cry. I mean, it just

[00:47:58] we should be past this. I feel like this is not okay. You guys with science, technology. No, of course we're going to say there's other reasons but when you get to the heart of it, it is still somewhat

[00:48:08] a religious religion. It's all religion, empathetics and geography and greed for oil and resources. All right. So they and their children and their children will live there forever. And David my servant will be there Prince forever. We, I will make a covenant of peace with them. Okay.

[00:48:31] They will be an everlasting covenant. That's what forever means. Also infinity. Right. And on and on. And I do find it interesting that we distinguish between the saving of his Israeli people, right? And Christianity. Even in Christian circles, right? Yeah. They don't see this as like the

[00:48:54] Christians are not the Jewish people. Right? The Jewish people are the ones that are going to be saved by God in their land. Yeah. Not the Christians, right? The Christians see that as a sign,

[00:49:06] the their thing is going to happen. Right. It's so weird and convoluted to me. It really is. Understand why any of this works in any meaningful sense. They're like, how can we help you

[00:49:18] guys hurry up and do your thing because as soon as your thing is done, then our thing happens. Right. Right. It's like Christianity automatically admits. Yes. There is this other religion that we acknowledge exists and was part of our religion and is part of our religion.

[00:49:34] And they have to fulfill their part for us to receive our part. Yeah. And yet we still don't quite like them that much, but they're, they are important. So they're over there and whatever.

[00:49:44] And we did kind of kill their Jewish guy, Jesus? Well, the Romans did. I mean, yeah, okay. It's all weird though. I mean, I guess that was kind of weird. You know, it's yeah.

[00:49:59] I don't understand any of it. I don't, I don't think the whole idea of the second coming had quite solidified as something that was dependent on Israel returning to their homeland at that point.

[00:50:10] Right. That's more of a modern idea. It's just so weird. I don't understand. Like how can you be one religion and say our religion depends upon your religion? Right. Which is different from the hours. I would be interested in finding out when that ideological change happened in

[00:50:31] Christianity though. Like when did that start becoming a thing that we, I say, we, when, when did that start becoming a thing like Christians take as part of their completion of their prophecy? Yeah. When did that become a thing to where we believe that this

[00:50:51] has to happen in order for the other thing to happen? And the whole revelation is thing and all that. So another thing I don't understand, yeah. Another thing I don't understand is how the Jewish people are God's chosen people. Right. But yet Christians are just like, we're going

[00:51:12] to have and you're going to hell. And it's like except for the Jews, right? I don't think, I, I think honestly, we're not supposed to dig into this too much. Right. It's supposed to be

[00:51:21] Christians are the correct, like if you talk to a Christian, they're the correct religion. It's just these other things over there have to happen. And you know blah blah blah whatever. And there are God's chosen people in that's their land. Right. But moving along.

[00:51:33] I don't know what that means. Like, but how does that work though? Like do they get wrapped? I always wonder, I always wonder. Like are they part of the, like, I think there are some

[00:51:44] answers for this. I've heard people give answers to it. Like they're maybe going to, because it says they're going to live there forever. I think that this is like the new on earth, Garden of Eden while the Christians get to go to heaven or something like that.

[00:51:57] Oh, so the Jews don't get to go to heaven. I don't think so. I don't think so. Oh, yeah. I don't want to be God's chosen people. Then I want to, I mean, like if you got a

[00:52:07] choice, why would you choose to live on earth rather than go to heaven? Well, you would have to admit that you believe that that is real. And generally in the Jewish circles, there's not,

[00:52:20] there is an idea of something like heaven, I guess, but not quite as solidified as what the Christians have. So therefore a paradise on earth might be more appealing. Okay. That's the world to come.

[00:52:31] Right? Is that what they call it? Yeah. Okay. All right. The whole thing is really weird. No, yeah, I agree. It's like magic in the sky or magic on earth. I mean, to be fair, I'm talking a little

[00:52:41] bit about my ass here because I don't really know exactly all the ideological, ideological, you know, words behind all this. Yeah. But I have a basic sense of what it is and what it entails,

[00:52:55] sort of. And that may be ignorant. I'm probably being ignorant here. But that's the best I can come up with for myself. So I highly suggest if you're interested in this to research it more yourself.

[00:53:05] Because it is relevant to stuff going on right now. Yeah. And therefore that's, I think we'll probably end up digging into this a little bit at some point, probably fairly soon. Because it is important and it's important to what's went on around us. And it would explain why

[00:53:19] Christians are so excited for what's happening over there in Palestine. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Definitely. All right. Let's finish this up. Yeah. Okay. Everlasting covenant, I will establish them and increase their numbers. And I will put my sanctuary among them for earth. We increase them

[00:53:40] like sheep or sand. It didn't specify. Okay. Certainly not stars. Right. Well, yeah. Yeah. Mind, dwelling place will be with them. I will be their god and they will be my people.

[00:53:52] So are they going to rebuild the temple? Yeah. And then he's going to dwell with them again. Yeah. He's so excited. Okay. Then the nations will know that either Lord make Israel holy. Okay.

[00:54:04] When my sanctuary is among them forever. Not really sure what happened to wife here. She went to sing song here. Because it's so happy. No. Okay. It's like, La La La Flowers and La Le Paul.

[00:54:15] God, God is going to be with them forever. Yeah. And it'll be so pretty with the care bear. They shouldn't worry. I mean, if God really wants to appear, he can just bring you back from

[00:54:25] the drive-on and the valley. Right. So. And that was the end. That was the end. Yeah. Okay. So zombies and they're going to get all the wonderful shit. So I'm being like care bears.

[00:54:37] Yeah. So zombie care bears there. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, that was as he killed chapter 37. Sure. It's not quite. Which was really kind of crazy. Very weird and spooky. I didn't like it. No.

[00:54:49] But I mean, I'm glad we like I can literally say there's either zombies and or skeletons in the Bible. Now we just keep adding to the list of ridiculous things that pop ups. Yeah. But no one more. Here's

[00:55:02] one of those. But no unicorns for God's sake. I think unicorns might be in there somewhere, maybe. I'm not sure. There's just list that makes the rounds on like the atheist meme circles,

[00:55:12] whatever and it has a list of all the things like pick which one is not in the Bible. Oh. And the one that's not like unicorns is I think on there is one of the things that is in

[00:55:21] the Bible. So interesting. All right. So I don't know. There's a lot of weird stuff still coming like even in the New Testament. Like with revelation and everything like that. So yeah,

[00:55:31] we get to see more of those eyeballs. Yeah. Yeah. That too. No more faced angel dudes. Right. All right. So again, that was a Zecchio chapter 37. Yes. And we will be back tomorrow with

[00:55:43] Zecchio chapter 38. All right. We'll see you then. Bye. Ben. Wave. Do you remember what happened the day before yesterday and how we got here today? Well, the last time we did an episode,

[00:56:01] which was not yesterday because we suck, but it was a Zecchio chapter 37. And in that episode, they had the God had a Zecchio prophesized to some dry bones. Yes. In a valley. The valley of

[00:56:16] dry bones. Yeah. Which sounds like a fucking excellent name for a YA novel. Right. Right. And then we had what appeared to be a zombie apocalypse happening. And I freak the fuck out. Yeah. But it turns

[00:56:28] out it probably was more like a just a symbolism for him returning Israel from Babylon to Israel. It felt like a NASA trip? Yeah. I mean, it felt like what I imagined an asset trip would be.

[00:56:42] I mean, a lot of Zecchio stuff is very weird. Yeah. Definitely. I mean, and who's to say that he didn't actually mean a zombie apocalypse, you know? Like, he's what he meant. Who could know?

[00:56:53] And you said that we miss yesterday because we suck. And we didn't suck. You got stuck at work. I did. I did. Super late. Yeah. Yeah, but I wasn't done with my description yet. Oh,

[00:57:03] I'm sorry. Yes. Zombie apocalypse. Yeah. They also rub two sticks together. Yes. They did. That was it was God bringing the two tried and back together. I was like, well wait, but wait.

[00:57:21] I had I have that all sent out. It was going to be fun. Now it's just you know. Now it's only funny because I can't even wait for the two sticks. So now it's bullshit. So anyway, that was a Zecchio chapter

[00:57:37] 37. Sure. It's fun. And today we're going to be reading. Um, Zecchio chapter 38. All right. Let's do this. Okay. Okay. All right. We are hopping into a Zecchio chapter 38 where I like to call it easy Kyle. Right.

[00:57:59] Right. And I'm going to read the first verse. Well, the first two verses. But then I'm going to have to stop. Is the second verse the same as the first? It's the same but worse. Oh, okay. All right. Yeah.

[00:58:14] Okay. Um, the word of Lord came to me. Did it? Is a heel to Zecchio? Not not to you. Son of man. Yeah. Me or human? You're fucking warm. Set your face against Gogg.

[00:58:27] Of the land of Magog. That was going to say God for a second. Oh, the land of Magog. Okay. The chief prince of Mishak and Tubal prophecy against him. Okay. Yeah. Now let's stop. You remember

[00:58:43] that whole Gogg, Magog thing? I do vaguely. Right. You know, only because they have interesting names. Right. Exactly. Not really. So I was like, hold on, hold on, hold on. Yeah. What's a

[00:58:54] Gogg, Magog? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly what I was like. So I was like, okay. Let me go look that shit up. Right. Okay. So I could have waited to cover this in a Q&A but I feel like it's

[00:59:09] pertinent to read it as we're going to read the chapter. Sure. Okay. All right. So this chapter is about Gogg of Magog. Okay. Okay. All right. So Gogg and Magog or your Yajuj and Majuj, which is what

[00:59:28] they are in Arabic. Because that's even less clear. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Gogg and Magog or Yajuj and Majuj. Right. Yeah. Uh-huh. There are a pair of names that appear in the Bible and the Quran. Okay.

[00:59:41] Variously, ascribed to individuals tribes or lands. Got it. Okay. So in this chapter, it's Gogg of Magog. Okay. But in other sources, it's Gogg and Magog. Okay. Okay. Sure. So in Azikil chapter 38,

[00:59:59] which is what we're reading today. Gogg is an individual and Magog is his land. By the time of the New Testaments Revelation, that final book. Yeah. Juj tradition had long since changed Azikil's

[01:00:15] Gogg from Magog into Gogg and Magog. Oh. Yeah. Okay. So the story changed. Githors and the Jewish tradition versus the Christian tradition. Correct. Okay. Correct. That's interesting. The Gogg prophecy, according to Jewish understanding, is meant to be fulfilled at the approach of what

[01:00:36] is called the end of days. But not necessarily the end of the world. Okay. Okay. So like not an apocalypse per se, but like in some of the real bad. Yeah. Like the world's a calm kind of thing.

[01:00:49] Okay. All right. Jewish tradition viewed Gogg and Magog as enemies to be defeated by the Messiah, not Jesus, you know. The Jewish Messiah does the Messiah to come. Right. Which would usher in the age

[01:01:05] of the Messiah. So these guys would be the two of them would be defeated by whatever this new Messiah is and that would usher in his age. Okay. Okay. Yeah. One view within Christianity is more

[01:01:19] starkly apocalyptic. Okay. Which everything seems to be. Right. Yeah. Right. Making Gogg and Magog here indicating nations rather than individuals allies of Satan against God at the end of the millennium as described in the book of Revelation. Okay. Okay. So this legend just got all kinds of

[01:01:43] twisted the fuck up. Right. And Lens more credence to the fact that the Bible is a bunch of who we in legends. Right. Right. Yeah. A legend was attached to Gogg and Magog by the time of the Roman

[01:01:57] period, which you know that's the Jesus age. Yeah. That's right. That the gates of Alexander, Alexander the Great, you know? We're erected by Alexander the Great to repel the tribe of Gogg

[01:02:12] and Magog. Okay. Okay. So you know the Jewish people remember they had if you were following along our book club, we covered Alexander the Great. We did. And how they were veer him oddly enough. Yeah.

[01:02:28] And one of the things that he is supposed to have done is to have erected these gates to hold back the words of Gogg and Magog. Okay. The tribes of. Yeah. Okay. Right. So early Jewish historians knew

[01:02:42] them as the nation descended from Magog the Jepatite as in Genesis and explained them to be the Sydiens. So I'm assuming that since we're making these stretches with regard to what's happening in the future in both Jewish and Christian traditions, that this isn't necessarily a

[01:03:02] factual tribe that exists in the day that they're referring to with regard to this. That's what I think. Okay. I am a little, I am, I'm very curious about that. Well that's why there's all these stories

[01:03:12] because they're like we don't really know what this is because you know first it's a dude from a land then it's two dudes that like fight each other or fight Satan or fight Alexander. Like what

[01:03:25] the fuck we don't even know. And then one of them has the same name as some dude that descended from some Genesis guy, you know. But to be fair it's you know, Zikil has been all over the

[01:03:41] fucking place. We just raised an army of the dead. So you know what I'm supposed to believe what this is. You know like what what should we even take from it? You know? Who could even know?

[01:03:52] Like and I haven't even started actually reading this chapter yet. If anything we should be looking for a sentence of a Zikil to get us the good drugs. Oh my god, yeah apparently we had them you know like

[01:04:03] he knew the hook up. Yeah I mean that makes me think that we should 23 and me him. Yeah for sure. So according to early Christian writers so this would be after Roman times.

[01:04:15] Sure. They became a pucklip that cords. Okay. All right. And so you know they were like Gogg, not a man but a hoard of dudes. Yeah. Mugog, not a man or a land but another tribe of dudes. Good. Of course. Yeah. Throughout the Middle Ages they were

[01:04:36] very easily identified as the Vikings, the huns, the cazars, the Mongols or other nomads, or even the 10 lost tribes of Israel. So just anybody that was like frighteningly on the Alskirt there exactly. They're like there's some Gogg and Magog up there or like things that

[01:04:56] mothers would tell their children like you better get yourself tucked in by bedtime or Gogg and Magog's going to get you right? Right. Yeah. They appear in the Korean like I said as Yajuj and Mujus,

[01:05:10] primitive and a moral tribes that were separated and buried off by do all carnage. He of the two horns. Okay. Who is mentioned in the Korean as a great righteous ruler and conqueror?

[01:05:26] Okay. Like weird, right? Yeah. So in Genesis chapter 10 remember I said that the Magog one is mentioned in Genesis. He's Magog is described as a son of J-Fath, grandson of Noah. Although there was no mentioned

[01:05:41] there of the person named Gogg. So like we don't even know and then there's this little treasure that I'm just going to drop and then we're going to go back to reading. Magog maybe code or

[01:05:54] safer for Babylon. Got it. That could make some sense. Yeah, right. Yeah. All right. So back to the chapters now. Okay. Yeah. All right. So son of man, set your face against Gogg of the land of Magog, the chief prince

[01:06:09] of Mishek and Tubal, prophecy against him and say him being Gogg of Magog. Right. And in the Christian Bible. In right. Yeah. This is what the sovereign Lord says. I am against you, Gogg, chief prince of

[01:06:28] Mishek and Tubal. I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army, your horses, your horsemen fully armed and a great hoard with large and small shields.

[01:06:43] All of them brandishing their swords. Pursa, Kush, and put will be with them all with shields and helmets. Also, Gomer with all its troops and Beth Tagarma from the far north with all its troops,

[01:07:00] the many nations with you. So he's like, Gogg is leading all these other weird hordes of troops and God don't like it. So he's like, all you boogie men are fall under the

[01:07:15] Gogg of Magog. Okay. And I don't like any of you and I won't get you because I'm God. Sure. Right. Get ready says God according to his E. G. Right. Be prepared. You and all the hordes

[01:07:28] gathered about you and take command of them. After many days, you will be called to arms. In future years, you will invade a land that has recovered from war whose people were gathered from many

[01:07:41] nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations and now all of them live in safety. You and all your troops and the many nations with you

[01:07:54] will go up and dancing like a storm. You will be like a cloud covering the land. So this is interesting. Like this is God, right? Prophecyzing through his E. G. To a tribe that he can't even talk to from what I

[01:08:08] understand because we don't even know who the fuck they are really exactly. And he's saying that you all Gogg of Magog in all your hordes are going to you're going to attack Israel. That's where

[01:08:23] that right now. Yes, that is correct. I'm just trying to clarify because it's an odd prophecy. It is. And I feel like this is gearing up to be them getting defeated at the gates of Israel

[01:08:34] probably but I don't want to step there yet because I don't know for sure. But yeah you have the right understanding of it. It's an interesting prophecy because we are now one step beyond them bringing

[01:08:43] like we're now we're just assuming they are back in Israel and now we're prophesizing about what's going to happen after that with regard to this other enemy. Yeah, this undisclosed, boogie man und identified enemy is very like out there like ethereal like we're not sure

[01:09:05] some enemy. And I don't really know what happened with regard to the Romans but like I mean obviously Israel didn't stay you know on they didn't control themselves you know for a ram. I think I

[01:09:17] got them at the Babylonian excels so there were some problems with them being conquered I guess probably by other people but we're going to assume that they didn't get conquered by anybody named Gog of Magog because we don't know that person. Right exactly, exactly. Interesting,

[01:09:30] interesting. Yeah it is very interesting and I look I know I know the biblical perspective is going to be that it's much later this is something referring to yeah to common whatever revelation

[01:09:40] end of times it signifies something else. Right, I get it but it's still interesting. Yeah yeah that's why I had to like dig in a little bit when I was doing notes I was like no no no no I'm not waiting

[01:09:52] to Saturday for this one. So this is what the sovereign Lord says on that day when you when they attack yeah thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme you will say

[01:10:06] I'll invade a land of unworld villages I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people all of them living without walls and without gates and bars I will plunder and loot and turn my hand

[01:10:19] against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations rich in livestock and goods living at the center of the land because you know that's right yeah that's what bad guys do they go

[01:10:30] I think you had to have that thought before you marched over to their city probably but I mean no whatever evil for the sake of evil tools there must actually reveals their evil plan. Yeah right

[01:10:41] Shiva and Dadan and the merchants of Tarshish and all her villages will say to you have you come to plunder have you gathered your hordes to loot to carry off silver and gold to take away livestock

[01:10:54] and goods and to seize much plunder therefore son of man you're human you're fucking warm prophecy and say to God so now God is telling a zikil according to a zikil to go talk to this

[01:11:12] God do sure god of mga and tell him this right this is what sovereign lord says okay in that day when you have this thought and you think you're gonna do this thing yeah people are like you

[01:11:23] going do it right in that day when my people Israel are living in safety will you not take notice of you will come from your place in the far north you and many nations with you all of them

[01:11:36] writing on horses a great hord a mighty army you will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land in days to come Gogg I will bring you against my land so that the nations

[01:11:51] may know me when I improved holy through you before their eyes because he's gonna stop them where not there yet I don't know he's just saying you're gonna come but you're gonna think it's

[01:12:04] you but I'm the one doing it for whatever reason right which he claims that all the thummy claims that he brought Babylon down to whatever he claims ownership of all things because if

[01:12:13] he didn't he's not really God so here's my thing this is after your people are back and their yours and they're good and everything is roses and lollipops hey god why are you bringing an army

[01:12:27] against your blame oh now you have care bears now I mean I'm sure that people would say that it's just a prove his might to prove his ability to be God like right but what if you just don't though

[01:12:39] right and moreover like you know if you if you really did like we talked about how he was going to reinstall them with all the good feelings towards God right so if he did that there should be no need

[01:12:52] for this that's what I'm saying yeah and that that's where this loses his thread oh yeah this is what Solven Lord says you are the one I spoke of in former days by my servants the

[01:13:05] prophets of Israel at that time they prophesied for years that I would bring you against them this is what will happen in that day when Gorg attacks the land of Israel my hot anger will be aroused

[01:13:21] yeah will okay declare this all for in the Lord yeah in my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great fucking earthquake in the land of Israel the fish in the sea

[01:13:37] the birds and the sky the beasts of the field every creature that moves along the earth and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence okay and my earths do you mean just that place

[01:13:50] over there in that area weren't yeah I mean because it's kind of a very localised thing we're doing the actual planet like I tend to think God that you are very localized and you don't

[01:14:02] mean that the whole fucking planet will tremble right right but I do that it's interesting the wording they're using here because it feels very Genesis like the you know how they say that furry animals is great probably you know earth or whatever yeah like there's some similar wording

[01:14:17] here that feels like it's almost kind of out of Genesis which I know it's not but it sounds like somebody was reading Genesis before they wrote this yeah so and then also like took some I don't

[01:14:27] know maybe they maybe the new testament had been written at this point and they were like let's throw some revelation in there yeah that could be that could be like I have no idea when all this

[01:14:38] right especially since we're reading the version of this that is going to be not the Jewish version of this so like there's probably definitely some revision I would imagine in this chapter I have no idea

[01:14:46] but I don't like it yeah the mountains continues God according to his Ekeel will be overturned the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground this is some earthquake yeah I will summon a sword against Gawg on all my mountains declares the sovereign Lord

[01:15:05] every man's sword will be against his brother I will execute judgment on him with plague and bloodshed I will pour down torrents of rain hail stones and burning sulfur on him and in on his troops

[01:15:20] and on the many nations with him burning sulfur yeah but did that come from I don't know the sky God gonna pour it on you was that a common occurrence like how do they know about burning sulfur

[01:15:32] right and that's that's an odd thing to throw in that mix you know we're watching too much supernatural and so I will show my greatness and my holiness we and I will make

[01:15:43] myself known inside of many nations then they will know that I'm the Lord not a lot a lot a lot the end okay that was an odd section yes because like we have nothing to really base what that is

[01:15:57] referring to on right and the the direction with which that prophecy happened was not aimed at the normal sword right like you normally you're he's he's he's he's been aiming his prophecies ad

[01:16:11] Israel or Israel's neighbors people who already done fucked up not people who we haven't even been introduced to who have not yet done anything right yeah this doesn't really track it's weird

[01:16:28] so I just I did a quick search because I was very curious about it while we were sitting here about burning sulfur but it was very common back in those times they use it for purification

[01:16:39] and they use it for special offerings and different things like that and there were some practical uses with regard to medicine and bleaching and things like that so it was a common thing that they

[01:16:48] used back then apparently okay I just wonder because I'm like how does that make the mix of rain earthquake and then burning sulfur right they weren't exactly chemists back then yeah so it bothered

[01:17:00] me just a little bit to where I needed to do a quick search so did you have anything else to add with regard to notes or thoughts this section with gag of magog will be continued tomorrow into

[01:17:14] morals episode okay so we're not done with this guy got it and I will see what else I can find about him because I'm just very intrigued yeah yeah no I agree and we should be

[01:17:29] hypothetically we should be back on track by tomorrow morning so we will be doing so we just finished zheel chapter 38 and that means we'll be back tomorrow with zheel chapter 39 all right we'll see

[01:17:43] you guys then wait do you remember what we read yesterday and where we are today well yesterday we read zheel chapter 38 and in that episode we read about gag in magog

[01:18:08] we don't know who the fuck gag of magog is but it might be gag and magog or gag of magog there's a lot of dogs in magogs here a gag there a gag everywhere a gag yeah yeah but essentially it is a god

[01:18:22] has a zekeel prophesizing to gag of magog and again we don't know who that is or where they are because no one really knows what that is and so we're just guessing that it is some sort of a

[01:18:36] prophecy towards something future that might happen in Israel with regard to the Bible and of course there's all kinds of people that have different interpretations because no one knows what this actually is so therefore you know Jesus gets involved and the the Jewish people get involved and probably

[01:18:53] even yeah it's all over the fucking place well because this gag of magog or gag and magog show up in the Bible and the Quran got it. Yeah yeah so I mean maybe the Quran gets involved.

[01:19:09] Yeah because what the fuck? Yeah it's not it's weird. It's weird. So anyway that's as much as we know about that zekeel chapter 38 which means that today we're getting in to a zekeel chapter 39 with more of gag. All right let's do this. Okay dokey.

[01:19:32] All right we are hopping into a zekeel chapter 39 or as I like to call it easy Kyle. Yes and as I said in the intro this is a continuation from yesterday's episode about gag of magog.

[01:19:49] Right. Okay. Yeah. Son of man. Yeah mere human. You're fucking worm. Prophecy against gawg and say this is what the song in the Lord says. I'm against jagag. She prints of machekin tool.

[01:20:04] Yeah. I will turn you around and drag you along. This must be after the earthquake that shook the world. Praise. I will bring you from the thorn north and send you against the mountains

[01:20:18] of Israel then I will strike your bow bow bow bow from your left hand. You bow bow. Yeah. Yeah. And make your arrows yet bow. Make your arrows drop from your right hand. Okay okay this is

[01:20:34] you remember back when Moses was fighting in Pharaoh right and not fighting but like he had doing his magic displays in front of Pharaoh and he can try to convince him to leave

[01:20:43] Egypt right and God was like Moses go do these things right and then God was also like but I'm also going to pardon Pharaoh's heart and he's not going to accept it and so you're going

[01:20:57] to fail. Right. So he's doing both those things at the same time. Right. And it's like why? Why? Why are you know if you want the what's what's the fucking point right so and he this is

[01:21:08] this is similar. This is similar because he's telling God I'm going to bring you against my people and then when you get here I'm going to fuck you up. Well it also sounds like somebody watched

[01:21:20] too much of those supersans with Goku. Because like all I can picture is somebody in that like pose where they're like they're leaping across the sky and they're going Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee for ever and they never land. Yeah I do have this classic anime whatever jumping thing you know.

[01:21:49] Okay so God is continuing to speak perseekial. Yeah two gog. Yes. Right. On the mountains of Israel you will fall you and all your troops and the nations with you. Okay I will give you as food to all kinds

[01:22:06] of carry and birds to the wild animals. Okay yeah. You will fall in the open field for I've spoken and declares the solver in the Lord. Got it yeah. I'm not just going to fuck your shit up. I'm

[01:22:18] going to feed you to the fucking voltures and shit. If God's the one bringing them though I still I'm going to stop to kind of stuck on this. Okay hold on but you said that before and I

[01:22:28] would it go. I don't think it said specifically that he's bringing them it just said y'all are going to be coming this way and that's not I'm going to stop you. No we said he's going to send

[01:22:40] them against Israel like that's what it said at the beginning of this chapter. Sending them against yeah yeah I said that specifically. I'm against you, God I will turn you around and drag you along that will bring oh yeah okay all right you're right

[01:22:54] okay yeah he's causing them to go to Israel. Specifically like somebody who was just over there might in their own whatever maybe maybe not but I mentioned them up until now. Right but it's like

[01:23:08] at the same time he's saying he's going to send them against Israel. He's also saying okay now prophecy to these people and tell them that I'm going to kill the fuck out of when they get here.

[01:23:17] Let me ask you if your Azikil, are you going up north to look for God and be like hey guess what? No bro. No is it you'll never did this? This is bullshit. Yeah you will fall in the open field

[01:23:30] for I've spoken to Claire's the sovereign Lord. And well Azikil spoke anyway. I will send fire on the gag and on those who live in safety in the coastlands and they'll know that I'm the Lord.

[01:23:42] Wait what the we were just talking about the north now we're talking about the coastlands? Sure. He's just going to kill everybody when this happens. Look everybody up. Except for the Israelites. I'm like I'm a petty little bitch. I fuck everybody up.

[01:23:54] I mean really and then that's just what he does. He's killing people indiscriminately. You have magic right? Yeah okay so you have magic your God and you have magic. Sure okay. Yeah and I am Azikil. Okay so now you tell me what you're going to do.

[01:24:11] What I tell you what I'm going to do with magic and I'm Azikil. If I'm God with magic I'm going to say. I'm Azikil talk to me. Yeah tell the people that they're going to be awesome and they're

[01:24:23] going to be alright because I'm not going to leave Malone if they need help will help them out. Oh my gosh that's awesome. Yeah. Right. The end. That's a great book. Love that story. Yeah that pretty much covers everything up to current state.

[01:24:37] Look at that chapter of our God. If I forgot that's chapter one okay this is chapter two. Okay all right. I'm Azikil still and you're still God with magic. Sure. Yeah. Hey God. So there's some people here that are dying of like leprosy or whatever.

[01:24:52] Oh I'll cure. I'm obviously sweet. Yeah. The end. Yeah the end. Okay chapter three. Sure. Yeah already. Okay hey hey. It was a great mind exercise here in line. I'm like this yeah.

[01:25:03] Yeah. He got. Yeah what what's up? There's some people to the north and they keep attacking us and we're not trying to bother them and like they're bugging us and I don't want like them to

[01:25:13] die or anything so I'm not trying to ask you. Sure you don't all totally just change their hearts and I'll make them stop doing that. Really? Oh that would be so cool of you. Is there anything

[01:25:23] I can do to help? I mean just don't be a dick you know. Okay yeah I can do that. Like feed the medium what yeah okay yeah. What what what if there's no medium God is that something we can

[01:25:34] work out? I mean I can see what I can do yeah yeah I think we could I think we could figure something out. The end okay. What a great fucking book right? Wow I love this book. Okay that was fun.

[01:25:46] Yeah yeah you see you see how it's real easy yeah I think I I think maybe I should take over his job. Yeah. And that's uh you can't do worse. No no you really can't. And I think I did a good

[01:25:57] asykeal because I was still doing an acid trip. Yeah. Because I was seeing God. Right. But I think I asked for the right things. Yeah yeah and and I think that counts for something somewhere.

[01:26:10] Sure. Yeah I actually this is something we may not may pursue in the future but we still have the information available for it in the podcast ready to go if we want to do it but like

[01:26:23] I was toying with the idea of creating a podcast called God Recreeter and just hiring the next God you know. Yeah that would be really really fun. But so but honestly I think you would do a good job.

[01:26:37] So yeah I mean I think I can do a good job. Yeah but I definitely will be what that I can do better than God yeah and the Bible. Yeah. The Bible the Bible the Bible. The Bible. The Bible.

[01:26:48] The Biblehead. Yeah. Yeah. The Biblehead. God. I says God according to his Ikeal will make my holy name known among my people Israel. If they don't fucking know their name by now then they must just not

[01:27:04] know God. I will no longer let my holy name be profane and the nations will know that I the Lord and the holy one in Israel. Didn't we solve this when he brought them back to Israel?

[01:27:18] Remember how he was fixing their hearts and all that stuff? Yeah. So I don't understand this not being profane like is he talking about people in other countries for painting him? Yeah. He's still so

[01:27:26] fucking worried about what the people that he created but that aren't his chosen ones. Yeah. What they think of him and I'm like what if you just choose to them too? Yeah I mean you are God.

[01:27:38] They made everybody hate. They basically have the ability and have used the ability according to the Bible to change other people's and not your nation's hearts. Right. So why don't you

[01:27:47] just do it to the people that are profaning you that would be so much easier wouldn't it? It would be nicer. You can snap your fingers and in six days come up with all the universe creation and everything.

[01:27:57] Certainly you can change like 6,000 people's hearts. Right. That doesn't it doesn't seem like that big of a task at that point. Right. Yeah. You already you already invented these people. You know how they

[01:28:07] work and you can obviously do that so just fucking do it. Yeah. Yeah. You can you can rest on the six that are shoving thayer or something. I mean you know whatever whatever you need man. Yeah.

[01:28:16] Yeah. We're good with that. Sure. It is coming. Yeah it is. Okay. It will surely take place to clear the sovereign Lord. Yes I come in. Yeah it's a coming. Yeah. This is the day I have spoken of.

[01:28:31] The day okay this is the day you spoken of. Yeah. This is the day that God's coming to. You know how I was talking just then? Yeah. That's what I said. Okay. I said what I said. Got it so this

[01:28:42] changed from a prophecy to current day. I don't know. All right. I'll either. Then those who live in the towns of Israel will go out and use the weapons for fuel and burn them up. The small and large shields,

[01:28:55] the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears for seven years they will use them for fuel seven years. Seven years that's a lot of fucking shields and spears. I don't think spears burn that

[01:29:08] well. That's a long fire. I guess there is a wooden shaft. Yeah. You can burn that but that is a long burning fire. It really is. It's easy to say and he's going to kill a lot of

[01:29:20] fucking people. Yeah. That's all he's saying. Yeah it's a little bit more darkly poetic than as numerous as the stars in the sky are just sand on the beach. It really depends on how many fires

[01:29:32] they have a going I think. Like if you had just one fire maybe you could keep that one for seven years if you know whatever but if everybody's got their own fire in their own place right now that my last

[01:29:42] like a few weeks maybe at most. If you had you know I don't think they had any more than they couldn't have any more than like 500,000 people but that's probably even given them too much

[01:29:52] credit right. I agree and if even if they had that many people I don't think that that wouldn't last seven years. No it's not if it was multiple fires. It was a bomb fire even that would probably be

[01:30:03] right. Yeah yeah they will not need to gather wood from the fields or cut it from the forest because they will use the weapons for fuel. Okay. Yeah. And they will plunder those who plunder them

[01:30:17] and loot those who looted them. Declares the sovereign lord because I don't recall God ever looting any of these people. This is just him sending them unless he's referring to if he's referring to this being Babylon that would make sense. Yeah and yesterday we did say that

[01:30:36] God might be a code word for Babylon. And that reference right there makes me think that maybe that's what he's talking about. Right. He's like we're gonna get you back you fucking Babylon

[01:30:47] bitches. Yeah but we can't say your name because we're scared and I'm God and I'm scared. I think one of the biggest problems with the Bible is that some of this stuff we can kind of agree

[01:30:57] that this is about that, right? Yeah. But most of it is so vague as to you can just interpret these things in the Bible anyway you want. You mean kind of like how myths are? Yeah. You mean

[01:31:08] kind of like how legends are? Right. You mean kind of like how stories of old like the Greek and Roman gods are? Yes. Interesting. Yeah. Say less. Right. On that day continues God according to

[01:31:24] Ezekiel I will give God a burial place in Israel in the valley of those who travel east of the capital letter C. Okay. East of the sea. So with the capital letter C be like the

[01:31:41] they already got rid of that isn't they? I don't know what they mean by the sea with the capital letter. I mean I would assume it means the the pool they built with the but that got just been old by Babylon

[01:31:53] so because they did call that the sea I believe. They did yes. But that doesn't make any sense. Yeah I don't know but it's the capital letter. Okay. It's the capital S. All right. Yeah.

[01:32:04] It will block the way of travelers because God and all his hordes will be buried there. So it will be called the valley of Hammond Gog. I wonder if that's a valley that still exists?

[01:32:17] I don't know. I don't even. For seven months the Israelites will be burying them in order to cleanse the land. Damn that's a lot of fucking bodies. Right. That could be Babylon. Yeah.

[01:32:31] All the people of the land will bury them and the day I display my glory will be a memorable day for them to clears the sovereign Lord. People will be continually employed in cleansing the land.

[01:32:42] They will spread out across the land and along with others they will bury any bodies that are lying on the ground. After the seven months they will carry out a more detailed search.

[01:32:54] Okay. You're looking up the... I'm looking up see if that valley exists. I'm kind of curious that we got. Still there you go. As they go through the land, anyone who sees a human bone will

[01:33:05] leave a marker beside it until the grave diggers bury it in the valley of Hammond Gog. Hammond Gog. Got it. Okay. It's H-A-M-O-N. H-A-M-O-N. Okay. Valley of Hammond Gog. Got it. Neurotown called Hamana. Oh okay. And so they will cleanse the land.

[01:33:28] Son of man? Yes. You mirror human. You're fucking worm. This is what the sovereign Lord says. Okay. Call out to every kind of bird and all the wild animals. A symbol. Vendor's a symbol. It comes together, which is what a symbol means. From all around to the

[01:33:46] sacrifice I'm preparing for you. The great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel. There you will eat flesh and drink blood. What? No! I will not serve. What the fuck? You will eat the way hold on.

[01:34:03] It just says, my name is Anamoh. Hold on. Hold on. Yeah. Yeah. Just that way I would real quick where you're holding on. The valley of Hammond Gog does not officially exist so they there's a lot

[01:34:17] of it has a lot of symbolic meaning but there is not actually a place that anyone is actually aware they say it hasn't been discovered yet which means me to believe that it doesn't exist.

[01:34:28] Right. I would think that if you buried that many fucking people in the ground it would show up. It probably would be something that somebody would remember even from that far back.

[01:34:38] And it would make stories to where people would still know where it is. Oh, also that reminds me there's this kind of geological study from the air that people do now where from

[01:34:52] the air like in airplanes that they can see different kinds of markers and how the vegetation grows or doesn't grow as the case maybe. Yeah. And so they're using that to help identify dinosaur bones and things like that right? Yeah. Just dinosaur bones but anything that is

[01:35:13] buried or underground or whatever. Right. And so you would think that a big gigantic valley of buried bones. Right. Probably show up. Yeah. Somehow like the vegetation or something would surely look different in that at the very least it would look different there. I'm not saying

[01:35:33] that it would be a giant marker that says like a body's buried here but it would be like hey there's a giant circle down there where the growth is different. Let's check that out. Right? Yeah. Okay.

[01:35:46] So I went back a little ways and no he's not saying people come eat the flesh and drink the blood. Okay. He's saying he call out to every kind of bird and all the wild animals. Oh. So

[01:35:58] he's saying say to those birds and wild animals assemble and come together from all around to the sacrifice I am preparing for you the animals. I see. So he's talking to the animals right now.

[01:36:10] Okay. The great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel there you will eat flesh and drink blood. So this is interesting because normally the animals are sacrifice and then the humans eat them. But in this case they're sacrificing the men to the animals. Right. That's interesting. Yeah.

[01:36:30] Okay. You will eat the flesh of mighty men and drink the blood of the princes of the earth as if they were rams and lambs, goats and bulls all of them fattened the animals from bishan,

[01:36:43] aug of bishan. Yeah. Yeah. Gog and aug. Yeah. That's that's interesting. But aug of bishan is I think aug. Yeah. It's definitely prior to this. So aug aug bishan is gone. Right. Right.

[01:36:58] And aug and aug are now aug. Right. At the sacrifice I'm preparing for you animals and birds, you will eat fat till you are glutted and drink blood till you are drunk. I want to see a

[01:37:15] drunk bird. Yeah. That would be funny as fuck. Yes. At my table you will eat your fill of horses and writers, mighty men and soldiers of every kind to clear the sovereign Lord. Okay. I know

[01:37:28] if animals eating them it's gross. Yes. Honestly it is. I don't want to see or even imagine that. No. I really like one of the worst images in my mind that I can conjure up is when like a bird is like

[01:37:40] picking at it. Oh, go on. And it like picks up a tendon and like you know, Jesus Christ. It's so gross. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That happens and like the stand. There's a place where that happens. Oh, and then I saw the apple these once. Shut up. I did.

[01:37:58] I was standing in the market last watching a bird do this. I'm like, oh my god. That is absolutely no. Yeah, I know. It happened in 28 days later like the bird is chewing on a piece of

[01:38:13] human flesh that's hanging up there. Just to be clear it wasn't a human that the bird was eating on the apple. We sparking on it. It was like a rabbit. Okay. So the bird in 28 days later

[01:38:23] he's chewing on this thing and the dad looks up right as a drop of the infected blood flow into his eye and then he goes on beat. But before he does, he's like telling his daughter to get away

[01:38:38] right. No, I don't remember that. Yeah. Eater. Oh, God. I cried and was terrified. Oh, that movie was so good. Yeah. I mean, yes, I'm horrified of zombies, but I'm also like morbidly at

[01:38:49] a hit thing. Yeah. Great. The best zombie movies are the ones that make me feel the most scared but have the best stories. Like 28 days later, I love that movie. That's one of my all-time

[01:39:03] favorite movies. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Sorry. No zombies here. No zombies. Just animals eating humans. Right. Yeah. Okay. I will display my glory among the nations and all the nations will see

[01:39:15] the punishment I inflict and the hand I lay on them. Yeah. They will all fear you then. Jesus. They still won't though because he's not well. I mean, he's saying that he's going to kill all these

[01:39:25] people, but really it's not going to be him. He never does. Right. So I mean, okay, let me backtrack. There have been a couple instances in the Bible where he claims to have killed lots of people.

[01:39:37] But without without without the help of humans. Right. Like he opens up the earth and shoves them into a crevice or like he zaps them. There was one back, it might have been a hammer which

[01:39:50] book it was in, but I remember him killing like 180,000 people. Yeah. Just with a wave of a hand type thing. Yeah. But these are a few and far between where he does these times. There's no more all like

[01:40:01] super, super early on. Right. Which makes them pretty questionable because it's pen to tube magic times. Yeah. Because there was a lot more they weren't even referencing like historical events at those

[01:40:13] points. They were talking about it was just a lot of symbolism and you know the creation. We were still on creation as I'm honestly. Right. So I didn't take any of those stories very

[01:40:22] literally at the time. Right. But now we're talking about history of an article of events and they don't ever, and when it's actually happening, they never describe it as God is actually just like

[01:40:34] snapping. It's always people did things. Right. At his behest. But sure. Okay. Okay. I bet that those people would beg to differ. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I know I was fighting some dude. Man,

[01:40:46] I wasn't fighting God. Yeah. My king told me to go there. So I did. Right. That's how it works. Yeah. Yo. I think we should really like if we ever come up with time machines, we should go back

[01:40:56] and interview somebody's people. Right. Oh my god. That'd be amazing. From that day forward, the people of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God. Yeah. That's when the from that day forward.

[01:41:09] He keeps saying that. It's like we never know. If he actually said that, if what he says actually stood the test of time in any sense, he would know his name was the Lord from like forever ago.

[01:41:22] Yeah. But apparently they keep not knowing it. He's like this will work and that's like no, they still don't know that your name is the Lord. Yeah. You don't have to keep saying it if it works.

[01:41:33] So when what he says it works, it works. It doesn't. It didn't. Yeah. And you have to stop saying it over and over because you're a tri-hars. You just can't believe you anymore. Yeah. I'm sorry

[01:41:44] you in so bro. And the nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin because they were unfaithful to me. Wait, wait, why are we talking about the end of the

[01:41:59] end? But why? They're back and he already fixed that and we're talking about God attacking them and how they're going to burn their shields for like seven years. It would only make sense if

[01:42:07] we're talking about God in place of Babylon. Yeah. Then he could be like, you know first, my people were such butt holes that they totally cheated on me with Egypt and Babylon and whatnot

[01:42:22] and then Babylon wiped them out because I said Babylon wiped them out. And then later on, I was like, oh, I'm lonely because nobody is sucking my big god day. So I will gather them back

[01:42:34] together and put them back in the land and then they will go get Babylon and kill them. And and then I could be like, hey, hey Israel remember when you cheated on me? Right. That would

[01:42:48] make sense if God is a representation of Babylon. But it really wouldn't though if you if you fixed your Israelites, if God fixed his Israelites, right? And their their hearts were perfect and wonderful and everything was great. Then you don't have to bring that back up because

[01:43:03] they're already good. But who are we talking about? We're talking about a jealous petty piece of shit God. Yeah. He is a small human. You can't even talk for himself. Right. Right. Exactly. The

[01:43:15] nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin because they were unfaithful to me. Yeah. So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies and they all fell

[01:43:27] by the sword. Okay. I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their fences and I hid my face from them again twice. Okay. Therefore this is what the sovereign Lord says. Yeah. I will

[01:43:39] now restore the fortunes of Jacob and we'll have compassion on all the people of Israel. And I will be zealous for my holy name. That's not that's not love. Right. I'm gonna suck my own dick.

[01:43:56] You do that but that is not proof of love. But also I thought we were talking at the beginning of chapter how he would already brought the Israelites back. Yeah. And this is saying that he's not

[01:44:06] like solidify and the deal until you know, Gog of Magogas did. Yeah. So I don't really get this but okay. It's also Lee. It is. They will forget their shame and all the unfaithfulness they showed

[01:44:19] toward me when they lived in safety in their land with no one to make them afraid. When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies,

[01:44:29] I will be proved holy through them in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord their God for though I sent them into exile among the nations. I will gather them

[01:44:42] to their own land not leaving any behind. I will no longer hide my face from them for I will pour out my spirit on the people of Israel to clear the sovereign Lord the end. But just to make

[01:44:56] sure I point this out, I believe we actually did some research to where after the exile was over there were still like upwards of like a million Jewish people still living in Egypt. Yeah. So he didn't

[01:45:09] bring them all back. No. In fact there was quite a bit that he didn't bring back. Well, that's a thing that is still yet to come. Oh, that's right. That's right. I forgot. This is the this is that whole

[01:45:21] why we're still looking for the last tribes and because it's prophecy. But yet, if there's anything that I could maybe touch on that is reasonable in this chapter, it's that the person that he's talking

[01:45:33] about which is Gog of Magog, right? It only really makes sense if it was Babylon because of some of the phrasing they used in the in this chapter specifically. Yeah. And in the last chapter actually

[01:45:45] there's there were some references that kind of allude the idea that this is Babylon that these talking about coming back after the exiles over, try to re-conquer them. Yeah. But because it's so vague and we can't really discern who they're talking about, it leaves it open to interpretation

[01:46:04] and maybe that was done on purpose. I mean, maybe that was rewritten later as something just because they're like, well, this never actually happened. We should probably rewrite this to make this something that might happen. Yeah. And that would make perfect sense. Right. But they left

[01:46:18] some of the word he meant so it makes it unclear. Right. It makes it very not. I certainly believe that this is probably still referencing near future much like the rest of the ZQ. Yes.

[01:46:30] I just can't prove that because it's the way it's written. Yeah. I don't think that it's like, you know, a hundred years from now or way far in the future because that's not how they roll.

[01:46:41] That's not what they've been doing. Right. None of the profits that we've come across this far have been anything like there's no hint that it's going to be hundreds or even thousands of years off.

[01:46:50] Most of them are like answering yes, no kind of questions. Yeah. And like this is what we should do right now. And I feel like the job of profits in biblical times was more of a advisory role

[01:47:05] advise the people. But yeah. So they were able to assess the situation on the ground and say, this is what's probably going to happen. And yes, they couched it in a way that God is saying it because

[01:47:17] you can't I believe my feeling is this. You cannot as a person under a king talked to that person as though you're an equivalent right and you have to invoke something higher than yourself in order

[01:47:30] to relay the message to that king because that's because kings thought of themselves as the highest thing in the grant in the in the land. Yeah. So you have to invoke something higher than yourself

[01:47:41] in order to have this conversation as an advisor to the king and that's why God's exist probably in a large part with with with in a relation to how these things get written down. These are

[01:47:53] probably more likely, you know how like the CIA has plans on what to do if this happens or that happens. Contendency plans for the safety of the United States right? I feel like prophecies were

[01:48:05] more like contingency plans for kings. Right. Only again they had to talk to them. Yeah. As though they were getting the information from a God because can't be smarter than the king. Right,

[01:48:16] because the king knows everything. Right. Or they pull out a Sharpie and draw on a weather map and sure. Sure. And look this is all just me hypothesizing what those things might be but it

[01:48:29] makes sense to me. That makes the most political sense. Yeah, that makes sense to me. Yeah. Like I can get behind that idea that same. So that's why I said it again. We're not scholars.

[01:48:40] We're not academics. No. But we don't know shit. It doesn't hurt to ask these kind of questions. Right. Like I mean there's no we don't nobody knows what this fucking chapter is about. I mean I basically

[01:48:50] searched it while we were in the middle of the chapter. It doesn't hurt to ask questions. It doesn't hurt to suppose what if this is the case? What if that's the case? Right. Yeah. And that's

[01:48:59] what I like doing. And I want to continue to do it. I would like to read this entire Bible story but just only with politics and no God stuff. I would like to reread this Bible with an

[01:49:11] apology, just nearby honestly. Like I feel like we might do this project again at some point. Yeah. Maybe multiple times just to do it with different tastes, with different points of view,

[01:49:22] with you know because if we sat here with an apologist at the same table as us and we were like okay what's your take on this? I would love to respond to that and send in and then sit here and question

[01:49:34] them and say okay. Not in a tacking way, just in a I don't understand how you can... Got to that conclusion. Yeah. Like can you explain that further? Right. And I feel like those

[01:49:46] would turn into some really long conversations though. So we'd have to do it very carefully and maybe I don't know how we would do that but I would find those conversations interesting. So what I

[01:49:57] you'd have to find a Christian that would be willing to be questioned. Yeah. And that would actually be open to conversation openly. Well in one that also is very versed in the Bible. Right.

[01:50:11] So like that's going to be a rare bird that we would find that we're willing to do all of those and spend time with us on top of that. Right. And be associated with an atheist podcast. Yeah.

[01:50:21] That drops F bombs. Right. So there's all that that's blocking us from doing that but we got time figure that out let's just get... Well just make... If everybody out there to shares us,

[01:50:32] shares our posts, shares our podcasts whatever. We can become like the most famous Bible study atheist Bible study out there and then you know we can like get some big names and we'll have

[01:50:43] some pool and we can do these things. So go share our shit. But only with the cool people. I'm not sure what anybody don't give a fuck who this is to it. Yeah but I mean only cool people

[01:50:54] can come on our podcast. Oh, yeah. I know... I mean the people that come on our podcast are completely up to us. Yeah. So that's our decision. We're rambling way off. Fucking you are. I am. I am.

[01:51:08] So I mean we should probably just end this because I don't know what else I'm doing. No. All right. Okay bye. No, no. That was a ZKL chapter 39. Yes. What do you mean? We'll be back tomorrow with ZKL chapter 40. All right now we can do it.

[01:51:22] Okay bye. How's Ben? Wave. Do you remember what happened yesterday and where the hell we are today? Well yesterday we read ZKL chapter 39. Sure's fucked it. And in that chapter we were still talking

[01:51:40] about Gog and Magog and Gog of Magog and all the Gog's. And it was a big Gog heavy. It was Goggy. Yeah, it was very Goggy. But that was like I'm going to bring them against you Israel and I'm

[01:51:57] gonna make them do this thing and then I'm gonna kill them all and while I'm out of them I'm also gonna kill the coastland people because that's that's my thing I like to kill people.

[01:52:06] And so he was gonna bury them all in like a really big pit. And by the numbers he was talking about, I would think that we would still be able to find this pit today probably. The dry bones

[01:52:17] felt. The dry bones valley thing. What's it? No, no, wasn't the dry bones was where the zombies the Israelites were coming back. That was just a vision that was a you know, it was a metaphor as

[01:52:26] to the, you know, people coming back from Israel. You're right. I just wanted to say that we want dry bones. Yeah, no, no, no, this was the they buried them in Haman Gogg. It was another place

[01:52:37] where they buried a bunch of fucking lot of dead people that God supposedly killed. Okay. And and by the numbers he was talking about, you would think there'd still be, you know, things

[01:52:49] the people would know about it today. You would think even thousands of years ago, the amount of people he killed, yeah. Should still have made it through the times is like, hey, you know,

[01:52:57] there's like hundreds of thousands of people dead over here in this pit. Lots of buried them. They had to excavate an entire fucking mountain side just to bury these flux. Yeah. They remember that

[01:53:07] tweaky mountain I was talking about. Yeah. So anyway, that was as he killed chapter 39. Yes. Which means that today we're getting into as a kill chapter 40. All right. Let's do this. Okay, okay. All right. We are hopping into a Zeegeel chapter 40 or as I like to call him,

[01:53:35] easy Kyle. Yes, which you stole from me because we're not the easy Kyle. You stole my saying that it was a Zeegeel. Well, yeah, because you kept correcting me and that I cannot stand for that.

[01:53:47] No, okay. That will not. So instead you correct yourself now. No, I just made it into a this is what is called or as I like to call it. Got it. Yeah, no, I just

[01:53:59] I owned it. That's all. Okay. Took it away from me. Fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah. So easy Kyle chapter 40. Which I have to go into some notes before we start here. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So this final section

[01:54:14] chapter's final section of a Zeegeel chapter's 40 through 48. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. They are referred to as the Torah of Zeegeel. Okay. And they, they compote their composed of Zeegeel's vision of a future temple. Oh, okay. And that's interesting. So part of it is he's going

[01:54:38] to be giving some measurements. Oh, Jesus Christ. I mean fucking kidding me. I'm not. Oh my God. So we're going to get there. Well, he fucking Zeegeel read whatever book that was back in the day was a what?

[01:54:52] I don't know. Leviticus or something like that where we were reading the measurements of the first temple and he was like, you know, if there's something that's missing from today's Bible, it's measurements for a temple. Here's what happened. It's thought that no model of Solomon's temple

[01:55:07] had remained and so to direct them in the dimensions, parts, order and rules of the new temple. Yeah. He was granting these instructions. So this is like God dictating the instructions for the new temple through Zeegeel since there were no previous instructions left over from Solomon.

[01:55:26] Yes, and that's one reason why Zeegeel might have been so particular in the description of of that is to try to make it like the old one. Right. It couldn't have been to solidify his place

[01:55:39] as a very important prophet that couldn't have been the case. No, not at all. I mean, God's dictating the plans to the fucking new temple to you. You obviously are very important to that person. That

[01:55:50] thing that entity. One thing that's interesting is that the original instructions included all of these like decor. Yeah. Like the palm of granites and the golden whatnot. Right. Right. Zeegeel's laxal that is inferior in magnificence on account of the poverty of the nation at the time.

[01:56:08] So it doesn't include all the pretty parts. Well, that's interesting because God's really hung up on his image and you would think regardless of their poverty or not, he'd be like,

[01:56:18] he didn't insist on having the best most awesome temple in the planet, you know? But he knew his people didn't have all that. You know that or the people just didn't have all that. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:56:30] That's, that's probably, you know, I would imagine they have it to have a hard time getting the plans past the city planner if they didn't have enough funds to cover it. Right. Right. And they

[01:56:39] were in no position having just come out of exile to, you know, go raid somebody else for the goal. So right. Not happening. Yeah. All right. So I'm going to read the first little

[01:56:52] verse here and then go back to my notes to give you a date. Okay. Okay. So easy Kyle, chapter 40 in the 25th year of our exile at the beginning of the year on the 10th of the month

[01:57:07] in the 14th year after the fall of the city on that very day, the hand of the Lord was on me and he took me there. Took you there. Where's there? I'll get there in a minute. Okay. So

[01:57:20] this date corresponds to about 8, 28, 5, 73 BCE. Okay. According to the Talmud, this date falls on the day of a tone mat, which is Yon Kapoor and marks the start of the 17th and last Jubilee year in history. Okay. Okay. Okay. He did, he did

[01:57:44] date it to where it would fall on a Jubilee year. But according to the Talmud, it was the last one. So they didn't celebrate it after this. Apparently. That's interesting because that was a very important aspect of the earlier Jewish people when they were, you know,

[01:58:00] these things that they celebrated and were important to them because that was like a renewing of their commitments and everything. Right. And yeah. So that's that's interesting. Yeah. I would have imagined that they still had some level celebrated Jubilee today, but I guess

[01:58:16] that's not correct. I guess not. I don't know. Interesting. Now where he took them is where God took a Zikil in a vision was too Israel. Okay. All right. So anyway back to reading,

[01:58:32] in visions of God, he took me to the land of Israel and set me on a very high mountain on who's south side, who were some buildings that look like a city. Okay. He took me there and I saw

[01:58:44] a man whose appearance was like bronze. He was standing in the gateway with a linen cord and a measuring rod in his hand. The man said to me, son of man, you have mere human. You have

[01:58:57] fucking worm. The man this this has gotta be God. Right. Hypothetically. A bronze dude got to be God. We're in the age of all the Lord. Well, in based on what he's saying, he's saying things that God

[01:59:07] would say to his Eqil. So right. Yeah. Look carefully and listen closely and pay attention to everything I'm going to show you. This is the bronze man speaking right. Right. Right. Right.

[01:59:16] The yellow corny to his Eqil. Yeah. Pay attention to everything I'm going to show you for that is why you have been brought here. Tell the people of Israel, everything you see. So that's what he's doing.

[01:59:26] Okay. Okay. Yeah. I saw a wall completely surrounding the temple area, the length of the measuring rod in the man's hand was six long cubits each of which was a cubit and a handbrake. It's interesting that they're using cubits here when they when we read the flood story,

[01:59:46] they were using feet and in place of cubits because they're they use cubits and other Bible translations for the measurement of the ark. So it's really interesting that they went back to cubits here. I've you're talking about the translation. It's interesting that the

[02:00:01] translation is using cubits. Yes, because in the same book that we're reading the same version right now and they're saying cubits were as when we read Noah the flood story before they said the translation said

[02:00:14] feet. Sorry you were using pronouns and so I wasn't sure what you were referring to. Got it. Yeah. No, the the flood story that we read earlier when we were doing this Bible read through

[02:00:25] they used feet to describe the translation. The translation used feet to describe the measurements of the ark which in other translations those measurements were done in cubits because that's how I knew what a cubit was. I specifically remember this and now that we're in Zeekeel we're using

[02:00:43] cubits as opposed to feet in the same book. In the same translation. In the same translation so that's interesting to me. That's all. From a translation perspective yeah you would think they'd be consistent

[02:00:54] with regard to how they they did measurements I guess. I guess that's all. I don't recall real quick. I just did um I wanted to toss in here real quick with regard to

[02:01:04] cuboli it is not something they still I did a quick search so it's not something they still celebrate as a culture right now or any more maybe in this probably may have been the last one

[02:01:14] possibly but a lot of the reasons are practical modern reasons which is kind of funny due to the practices that were in that thing in that a practice was a forgiving debt and land

[02:01:31] redistribution which those things tend not to fly when people are greedy so you know yeah we will not let you give up land so no you will not do that. Yeah no I just I feel like it's a very disingenuous reason

[02:01:45] to get rid of a practice like that you know it's it was it was actually a very good practice to probably adhere to I would imagine it's some in some regards you know but yeah it's gone now

[02:01:58] that's that that collector's one-ther-money right yeah you can't you can't get away from that now nope not a bit yeah so with regard to cubits that's the part of the elbow to the wrist

[02:02:10] yeah and I thought it was the elbow to the tip of the finger the tip of your uh middle um I believe it's to the wrist and the palm of the hand and then a hand-breath is the span

[02:02:20] of the hand through the extended middle finger okay a hand breath yeah is it called hand breath got it okay because he said it was um six cubits each of which was a cubit and a hand breath okay so

[02:02:36] actually it's the a cubit is from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger okay mine mistake just wanted to make I thought that was the case but I wasn't when you said it was okay

[02:02:46] apologize and then well the hand breath then is just almost like half of a cubit then right yeah it's probably just a smaller measurement to small to measure smaller spaces and stuff so

[02:02:58] so anyway he measured the wall it was one measuring rod thick and one rod high okay so they had measuring rods okay got it then he went to the east gate he climbed at steps

[02:03:11] and measured the threshold of the gate it was one rod deep the elbows for the guards were one rod long and one rod wide and the projecting walls between the elbows were five cubits thick

[02:03:25] and the threshold of the gate next to the portico facing the temple was one rod deep then he measured the portico of the gateway it was eight cubits deep and its jams were two cubits thick

[02:03:39] okay yeah then no this is boring I'm so sorry the portico which I do like the word portico portico and they also some translations use the word vestibule okay which I like

[02:03:53] that word as well sure the portico of the gateway faced the temple inside the east gate were three alcoves on each side the three had the same measurements and the faces of the projective walls

[02:04:05] on each side had the same measurements like I cannot picture this in any way whatsoever it's too much it's too many yeah but there are maps that you can find online if you Google right if you

[02:04:19] were curious what the fuck this all comes to yeah then he measured the width of the entrance of the gateway it was ten cubits and its length was 13 cubits in front of each alcove was a wall one

[02:04:32] cubit high and the alcoves were six cubits square okay then he measured the gateway from the top of the rear wall of one alcove to the top of the opposite one the distance was 25 cubits from one

[02:04:46] parapet opening to the opposite one got it okay just can't care yeah no it's really fucking boring that's for sure he measured along the faces of the projective walls all around the inside of the

[02:05:00] gateway sixty cubits the measure was up to the portico facing the courtyard the measurement was up to the portico facing the courtyard okay the distance from the entrance of the gateway to

[02:05:12] the far end of its portico was fifty cubits oh I see pulled up a picture I pull up something that somebody says is what it might look like I guess so yeah I don't know it's pretty yeah sure

[02:05:24] whatever the alcoves and the projective walls inside the gateway were surrounded by narrow parapet openings all around as was the portico the openings all around faced inward I am probably going to speed up just to get through the measurements because I'm like blah blah who cares who cares

[02:05:40] I'm hate that the faces of the projective walls were decorated with palm trees then he brought me into the outer court there are also rooms in a pavement that have been constructed all around

[02:05:50] the court there were thirty rooms along the pavement wow it but it decides in the gateway and was as wide as they were long this was the lower pavement okay then he measured the distance

[02:06:01] from the inside of the lower gateway to the outside of the inner court it was a hundred cubits on the east side as well as on the north okay then he measured their length and width of the

[02:06:10] north gate leading into the outer court I just can't no I mean it look I the only reason I can see that this might be something that's in the Bible is because it's showing that

[02:06:21] as he kill is prominent enough to receive the instructions to build the new right um you know the new gentleman's right but other than that with regard to leaving it then therefore modern Bible readers it really has no significance at all to anybody at this point

[02:06:41] and because it just doesn't matter it doesn't matter I mean I can see a polligess saying you know oh it does matter though it's it's giving us that detail is so rich in detail

[02:06:52] and that lens to its authenticity and to show how God was in every single detail and blah blah like I can see them being very excited about the most boring little detail yeah because

[02:07:05] if God really one of the prove his uh significance in his power he'd just snap his fingers and create a fucking temple would need I mean that's I mean there would be a lot more um believable as a

[02:07:19] power move okay yes I'm then having them build it yes but and I'm gonna push back on that a little bit because the people would not respect as much something that just appeared before them

[02:07:31] as opposed to something that they built themselves hmm right but except for the fact that they haven't actually seen specifically anything any of God's handy worked directly right no it's all it's all said through Ezekiel or Jeremiah or Isaiah or whoever right these are the people that

[02:07:53] are telling them that God's miraculously doing these things by sending armies against them and and whatever you do I totally agree with you on that I'm just saying yeah it would be cool for them to

[02:08:04] see something of God's miracles yeah that's all I'm saying okay yeah no I agree with you there it's Alcobs through any side it's projecting walls and it's Puerto Co has the same measurements as

[02:08:16] those of the first gateway it was 50 qubits long in 25 qubits wide you know maybe you could just make like a bathroom or a regular say up here and let them do the whole thing but he makes one of

[02:08:25] the bathrooms or something like snaps fingers there's the bathroom or maybe they finish doing all the work and then he pretties it up yeah yeah since you know there are plenty of things I mean just do

[02:08:35] something like it's your house dude yeah I'm building this for you like just add a little personal flare to it we just want some gold palm a grain of sugar you should have yeah just no you're God man

[02:08:46] yeah do something it's openings it's Puerto Co and it's palm tree decorations had the same measurements as those of the gate facing east seven steps led up to it with its Puerto Co opposite

[02:08:59] them there was a gate on the inner court facing the north gate just as there was on the east he measured from one gate to the opposite one it was 100 qubits then he led me to the south side

[02:09:10] and I saw the south gate he measured its jam and it's Puerto Co and they had the same measurements as the others the gateway and his Puerto Co had narrow openings all around like the openings of

[02:09:21] the others it was 50 qubits long and 25 qubits wide seven steps led up to it with its Puerto Co opposite them it had palm tree decorations on the bases of the projecting walls on each side

[02:09:34] okay yeah love me some palm tree decorations right yeah the inner court also had a gate facing south and he measured from this gate to the outer gate on the south side it was 100 qubits

[02:09:47] then he brought me under the inner court through the south gate and he measured the south gate it had the same measurements as the others it's alcoves it's projecting walls and it's Puerto Co

[02:09:56] had the same measurements as the other I'm shocked I'm shocked the gateway and his Puerto Co had openings all around it was 50 qubits long and 25 qubits wide this is a really like bad way to end

[02:10:08] as he heal like we had zombies we had the dry bone valley with hundreds of eyeballs and wheels and chariots and stuff like it's just and now we're now we're building the

[02:10:21] and the mtemple yeah this is stupid and you know what they're not like this is 25 years into the exile right so like hypothetically we're not gonna get to this for like another 40 or 50 years right so why is he why is he dictating the plans now

[02:10:35] could you wait wait till later and then give it some of this going to be around at that point you know just saying that would make more sense so I can't answer that for you yeah I'm not God no I

[02:10:47] who knows his ways they are mysterious I know I'm beginning to believe it nobody does that's mine the porticoes of the gateways around the inner court we're 25 qubits wide and five qubits deep it's Puerto Co faced the outer court palm trees decorated its jams and eight steps

[02:11:07] led up to it you know what I'm really upset about is that one of those sentences was in parentheses and I was so bored I forgot to think we're in the sea police and I can't bring myself to go back

[02:11:19] and read it because yeah it was just measurement just good just everybody just imagine that why it's just to the parentheses voice and we'll move along here I'll do a parentheses voice that's

[02:11:28] not in parentheses yeah this is not parentheses there you go now we got some parentheses voice yeah then he brought me to the inner court on the east side and he measured the gateway has the same

[02:11:40] measurements as the others no way outcodes it's projecting walls and it's Puerto Co has the same measurements as the others I'm belief the gateway and it's Puerto Co had openings all around it was 50 qubits long in 25 qubits wide it's Puerto Co faced the outer court palm trees decorated

[02:11:56] the jams on either side and eight steps led up to it the other ones had only seven no the ones on the inside or whatever there was one there was one with eight all these two okay I this would be a

[02:12:07] good time to remind everybody that you know I realized that this is like really fucking boring right yeah but if you're if you're one of the the fans and I know you're out there I know I know

[02:12:18] there's a lot of you out there mm-hmm if you're one of those that is just here to read the whole Bible with us that's what we're doing we're just we're doing we're doing we're reading everywhere

[02:12:28] we're doing the best we can't hear with what we got and what we got is a bunch of shit in this chapter so I don't know what else to say about it other than we'll get through this eventually get through

[02:12:37] this together guys keep going then he brought me to the north gate and measured it it had the same measurements as the others as did the elbows it's projecting walls and it's

[02:12:46] Puerto Co and it had openings all around it was 50 qubits long in 25 qubits wide it's Puerto Co faced the outer court palm trees decorated the jams on either side and each steps led up to it

[02:12:59] okay a room with a doorway was by the quarter Puerto Co in each of the inner gateways where the burnt offerings were washed ah that's fine got me some burnt offerings up in this bitch

[02:13:10] right in the Puerto Co of the gateway were two tables on each side on which the burn offering sin offerings and guilt offerings were slaughtered by the outside wall of the Puerto Co of the

[02:13:21] gateway near the steps at the entrance of the north gateway were two tables and on the other side of the steps were two tables so there were four tables on one side of the gateway and four on

[02:13:33] the other eight tables and all on which the sacrifices were slaughtered okay and love the word slaughter yeah there were also four tables of dressed stone for the burnt offerings each a cubit

[02:13:45] and a half long a cubit and a half wide and a cubit high it is interesting to me how they're referring this as like in the past tense there were there are there you know like those are

[02:13:57] we're talking about this in a time frame um he's he's seeing a vision though so he's like I'm describing what I saw in my vision so not that God's not only taking him too Jerusalem he's

[02:14:09] taking him forward in time even yeah he's time traveling in his vision as well as traveling distances across you know the land yeah in in his vision yeah okay yeah so I mean that's why he told

[02:14:25] God told a Zekiel tell the people what you saw and so he's saying this is what I saw I saw this and it measured that and then it measured that way so yeah it would be in past tense got it okay

[02:14:36] right it it tracks yeah no I I guess I just mostly find it interesting that God is like time traveling with his profits that's one of the least envisions yeah it totally makes sense it doesn't but okay

[02:14:49] love a time traveling profit yeah yeah it's good stuff on them we're pleased the utensils for slaughtering the burnt offerings and the other sacrifices and double pronged hooks each a hand breadth long were attached to the walls all around the tables were for the flesh of the offerings

[02:15:08] outside the inner gate within the inner court were two rooms one at the side of the North gate and facing south and another at the side of the south gate and facing north okay he said to me

[02:15:20] the room facing south is for the priest who guard the temple and the room facing north is for the priest who guard the altar these are the sons of Zedok Zedok Zedok who are the only Levi to

[02:15:31] made raw near to the Lord to minister before him then he measured the court it was square a hundred cubits long and a hundred cubits wide and the altar was in front of the temple and he brought

[02:15:45] me to the portico of the temple and measure the jams of the portico they were five cubits wide on either side the width of the entrance was 14 cubits and it's projecting walls worth three cubits

[02:15:55] wide on either side the portico was 20 cubits wide and 12 cubits from front to back it was reached my flight of stairs and there were pillars on each side of the jams the end you know do you remember

[02:16:08] that wasn't it I forget what book it was in but we talked about at some point how stairs leading up to the temples was a bad thing yeah that was at the beginning because then you see if

[02:16:21] they're dresses right and now in this new temple god is literally dictating that they make stairs to go up to the temple stairs stairs stairs does you so do you think that this means

[02:16:31] that they've invented underwear since then probably i mean i just can't think of any other reason as to why we would be why would be okay to have stairs now versus then unless maybe this

[02:16:42] temple is now only exclusively for men or something along those lines possibly but it is weird that the direction of earlier by the earlier Bible is directly conflicting with the way that they built

[02:16:57] this one with regard to the stairs that is true so forgot about that till you mentioned it but yeah I remember right now right stairs good stairs bad right yeah i just find that odd we have stairs

[02:17:09] leading up to our front porch we sure do and we have stairs leading to our back porch yes we have that as well um yeah so i i really have nothing else to add with regard to this chapter

[02:17:23] but uh so yeah let's that was a z-chill chapter 40 it it was very very anti climactic into the week and i'm i apologize for that we can't take responsibility for what's in the Bible

[02:17:38] right no definitely not yeah but we will be back tomorrow with tomorrow Saturday we'll be back with our Q&A Saturday and we still have yet to get a uh long yes so we will get that out this weekend hypothetically i'm working on as well

[02:18:00] i'm working on it guys and then i will get our weekly wrap up together and put out and then we'll be back on Monday with a z-chill chapter 41 all right we'll see you then bye

[02:18:13] husband wife do you know what today is well today is Saturday which means that we're doing r Q&A Saturday that's right and what are we Q&A in aine today we are covering a z-chill

[02:18:33] chapters 36 through 40 and we will learn about sticks and Mormons and zombies and goug wow wow gog magog go guggle go guggle go guggle go guggle go guggle go guggles sorry i just put that name

[02:18:51] my little bit name gog I don't know why that's just like it so anyway so uh we got some good questions we got some good answers we got some stuff we got some stuff all right well let's do this okay okay

[02:19:02] Alright, we are hopping into our Q&A Saturday, covering sticks and moremons and some amazing goug. Sticks in white? Moremons? Moremons? Hmm? We have a fuck to get on moremons. Oh, I'll tell you. Let me just let the intro do this. Keep right over there. Yeah, yeah.

[02:19:25] You did. Shit. I didn't know. Yep. You did. Moremons? Yeah. So do you remember in Zeekeel chapter 37 when God was like, yo yo yo, take two sticks? Yes, and rub them together. Yeah. Yeah. Rub them sticks together into one. Yeah.

[02:19:45] So okay, I'm just going to read the verses and then tell you how that relates to Mormonism. Okay. Because it's big. Okay. In the Mormon world. Okay. Yeah. So verse 16 and 17.

[02:19:57] And Son of Man, take a stick of wood and write on it, belonging to Judah and the Israelite's Associated with him. Then take another stick of wood and write on it, belonging to Joseph that is to E from and all that Israelites associated with him. Mm-hmm.

[02:20:11] Join them together into one stick so that they will become one in your hand. And we all understand that to mean that at some point in the future, the two nations will be united again. Right? Right? So okay, the Mormons.

[02:20:26] They think that parts of the Bible have the story right, but that Greeks and other translators fucked up large blocks of the Bible. Okay. And so that the Bible has a lot wrong. Sure. But... I mean, I guess, you know, I don't want to be fair to Mormons.

[02:20:53] Right. So if Christians already are like, well, we're attributing this from the Old Testament to Jesus, right? Who's just to stop the Mormons from being like, well, we're going to attribute this to whatever the fuck we want. And they do. Yeah. So...

[02:21:09] But they think that the Book of Mormon and the Bible and other extra biblical sources are all different pieces of one great document from God, God's Word. Okay. And so this particular... These particular verses right here in Ezekiel are parts that they take very seriously

[02:21:37] as proof that what they're saying about the Mormon is Mormons and the Bible. So we're talking for a little bit of literacy with regard to Mormonism here. Yes, apologies and all that. Right. So the Mormon teaching is that the sticks refer to two scrolls. Okay.

[02:22:00] They've decided that those words mean scrolls. They don't in Hebrew, but the Mormons have just decided that. Okay. And according to the convoluted interpretation of this deraise cult, Ezekiel was prophesying that one day, the Book of Mormon, which is the stick or scroll of

[02:22:22] Ephraim, would be joined to the Bible, the stick or scroll of Judah, to form the complete revelation of God. Okay. So where does... I'm curious. But I think the New Testament is sort of part of their religion too, right? I honestly have no idea.

[02:22:40] I did not want to get more into it because I know we planned to look into Mormon stuff. And their Book of Latter-day Saints, some of them. Yeah. I mean that would be fun, I think.

[02:22:51] But I guess what I'm struggling with here is that I guess, you know, at the time that this prophecy was done, the Old Testament wasn't really fully rendered yet first of all, and more over. Mormonism was not created into the 1800s. Right. There's that.

[02:23:10] Like even with regard to the Old Testament, like there's the New Testament still. And then if you're a Mormon, there's the Mormon stuff, right? You have three documents that you have to men together and you're saying that these sticks

[02:23:25] are scrolls to men to two things together where you're seeing three and you're trying to pretend it's two. Yes. I don't get the same thing. They see the Old Testament and New Testament as one text. Oh. Well, that's one text. Definitely not the Bible.

[02:23:43] That's definitely not the case. Right. So I mean, there's just so much wrong with the Mormon tradition. I can't even. Never, never, right? Yeah. I mean, it's very problematic and the founder and then we can go on.

[02:23:57] She had like just on what I do know, I can go on for probably the next hour. Yes. Yes. But they do believe that that is saying that the Bible is, validating the book of Mormon because one day the two will be joined and as he

[02:24:15] kills, proving it by saying, join these two scroll sticks together. Again, they're, they're, the word translates to sticks. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why this, you know, with regard to how this is tripping me up,

[02:24:32] it is tripping me up a little bit more than what normal Bible stuff does. But at the same time, the Bible trips itself up just fine. Sure. It doesn't need help. Right. Honestly. Yeah.

[02:24:45] So Mormons believe that in the latter days, which means towards the end, similar to what the Jewish tradition might call the world to come, the two have been joined together. The Bible and the book of Mormon will as one form the bulk of Mormon's scripture. So that's that.

[02:25:03] Got it. Okay. So there you go. There's sticks and Mormons out of the way. Okay. Yeah. So I was, there was a shambla that I'm glad to know it. Yeah. It wasn't a question but when I came upon it, I was like, hey, on what?

[02:25:16] When and if we ever dig into the Mormon side of things, you know, that'll be something worth knowing. So what's interesting is that that seems to be only a very small thing. Sure. Not even one of their main facets of their belief system.

[02:25:34] Well, I'm sure that there are many places in the Bible where they're like, well, we have to figure out a way to tie this into here and make it look like we're relevant over here. So let's use this to make it.

[02:25:45] They probably have a whole list of things to tie their religion into what Christianity is so that it makes sense to someone in so far. They consider themselves Christians. Yeah. All the Christians do not consider Mormons to be Christians. Right, right. Because of obvious reasons. Yeah.

[02:26:07] Their belief systems are just so not the same. They're two different kinds of cults. Yeah. That's where I struggle. Except for that, you know, I think the reason that Mormonism has a, a worse connotation

[02:26:22] is that they kind of act like a cult, like they basically took over a fucking state and you are not allowed to leave them. Like if you leave them, your family banishes you, you're, I mean, like it's a whole horrible situation for a lot of people. It is.

[02:26:38] For those not in the US, we're referring to the state of Utah. Yes, sorry. And Brigham Young University because Brigham Young was one of the early leaders of the movement. And again, this religion was created in the 1800s.

[02:26:54] And by 1800s I'm not saying BCE, I'm saying like the 1800s, like only a couple hundred years ago. Right, right. Like those 1800s. Yeah. Yeah. So very interesting. And oh, they also were big on polygamy.

[02:27:12] And whereas I think that, I think that they've outlawed it or banned it or something. They still do polygamy non-synchent through legal means. Mm-hmm. But they still refer to themselves as like wives and sister wives.

[02:27:33] And, you know, man gets to marry lots of women's and they have lots of babies. Yeah. Yeah. I just think that there's like there's a, I mean, there's this whole other thing where

[02:27:43] like, if he was Joseph Smith that was the founder, he had these things called like sear stones and like he literally, I think he had to put his base into them or into a into something. And he, so he couldn't write.

[02:27:55] So we had people, he was dictating these words to somebody and they were writing it down. Yeah. And these sears stones were like made of gold or something. And there were some sort of like, there's this whole thing. It's very easy. It's really crazy. It's really crazy.

[02:28:08] It's very weird. But like these golden things, the golden tablet things or whatever they, they are nowhere to be found from what I understand. Of course. So much like the arc of heaven and earth. Yeah. I mean, every cult has its flow. Yeah. All right.

[02:28:25] But let's move on to verse 24 of the same chapter. Yeah. My servant David will be king over them and they will all have one shepherd. So we were like, hang on, let it. David. Yeah. So there is controversy among Christians as to whether or not this is David.

[02:28:46] Or Jesus or some other dude named David. Yeah. Whatever. Yeah. They're like, there is no consensus. I think that you can't have consensus because that's very uncountable. But I just assumed that like most Christians kind of believe XYZ.

[02:29:06] Like I just assumed that the church, the church, whatever that means. But for this is what it is and that the majority of them believe it except for maybe a few who actually read the Bible and studied it a little bit.

[02:29:20] And we're like, hang on, hang on, hang on. Yeah. I just assumed that there was an answer. But it's just interesting. There's not most commentators believe that the many references in Ezekiel to David is really a reference to the Messiah, the Son of David fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

[02:29:37] Many of them, most of them even do believe I guess that it's Jesus. Yeah. But that would be my guess to what most people believe. But there are still several who say we can simply observe that if God did not intend David, he wouldn't have said it.

[02:29:57] So there is nothing in these texts themselves that demand that it is the Messiah and not David himself. So there are Christian apologists who actually read it and say, you know, hey, it doesn't say Jesus and it doesn't say line of David.

[02:30:16] It says David clearly more than once. Yeah. So which is I appreciate if you're going to be bringing people back to dead in some later time in the future. Wouldn't it make just as much sense to bring back David as it would to bring back Jesus? Sure.

[02:30:32] Right. I mean, how do I why does it have to be why couldn't it be both why couldn't it be him and or and what there are some who say it's going to be David and Jesus and Elijah. Sure.

[02:30:44] And I think there's another one that they've talked about but I can't remember. Right, right. Because I don't care a lot. Because I mean, come on, how many Saviors can you have in one religion? Sure. Come on.

[02:30:57] Anyway, I just thought it was interesting that whereas yes, many of them even maybe most of them do believe that it's Jesus that there is a controversy like it's not just all decided. Yeah. So that was cool to me.

[02:31:11] Well, and again, I think that you know, when you get right down to it, the reason that there are so many denominations and arguments when it comes to religion is not so much because of people like us, the atheist is because

[02:31:24] in traditionally it's because religious groups have argued over what these things mean in the Bible and for centuries and you know millennia and that's just how These different these differences of cause splits and churches for years and that's how we end up with all these different groups. Right.

[02:31:44] So it makes sense to me that there is not like people want to say that the general idea that Christians all agree on this general idea of what the story entails fine, but you all disagree on a lot of it too. Right.

[02:32:00] You might have like the Jesus was born in Bethlehem to a virgin and Joseph was his carpenterie earth daddy. Yeah. Like, okay, you guys all have that part down, but like all the other stuff, the history and the the the the non mean story. Right.

[02:32:22] And I don't know what you're talking about and I find that that that inability just to let ify on a single message is what allows for like, I think this was what allows for a lot of people in the in the world and

[02:32:36] especially in the US to call themselves just kind of blanket Christians right we don't give a fuck what denomination you're talking about. We just believe in God and Christ and whatever this generalized story because they don't really give a fuck which one is correct.

[02:32:51] They're just like, yeah, Christ sure. You know, I mean, Christ was born to a virgin he is the magical son of God. And he died and was resurrected. Right. You're supposed to believe those main tenets to be considered a Christian.

[02:33:08] Well, I think the reason that a lot of people just call themselves a Christian and don't describe to a specific philosophy is because that idea that there are all these denominations and are all these different ideas kind of takes away from the.

[02:33:22] The ability to view Christianity as correct, right, it can't be correct if all these different Christians view it differently and then and think that other ones are wrong. Yeah, you know, that that doesn't work.

[02:33:36] I, I wish that they would be like well this is what we think but only because of x y and z but it's just as plausible for the people over there who think blah blah blah blah blah.

[02:33:47] Like that would be cool if they could like acknowledge that we don't think that we necessarily have it right. Yeah, like discussions like, yeah, you should have yeah round tables where you were discussing why and how and that would be.

[02:34:05] That would be an interesting community to be a part of right if you're all like you shouldn't really I don't think you should split apart. You should you should fucking hash it out, you know, like talk about it.

[02:34:16] Like the way the Jewish tradition is to question and to write these extra not extra biblical but you know that outside like the mission I and the. I forget what the other ones are but the writings that support.

[02:34:32] And ask questions and explain and give thoughts, you know, I think that would be cool like I admire that right and just a little bit of fucking humbleness.

[02:34:43] Well, most of most of what I hear from people is that, you know, their their pastors and their churches are not open to being questioned about things that are that they if they don't know the answer they don't want to talk about it.

[02:34:55] Right, you know, like that that's pretty much how it works and you're the devil for asking right and the devil put himself in your mouth. And again, I think that takes away from the ability to believe in this religion because anybody who is that defensive over being wrong.

[02:35:11] Is probably not very solid and their belief of being right exactly. All right, so now we're going to skip to a Zeekeel chapter 38. We're going to talk more about God. Okay. Yeah. So I'm going to read a few verses two five and six.

[02:35:30] Son of man set your face against God of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Mishek and Tuba and then skip ahead to verse five.

[02:35:39] Pursa, Kush and put will be with them all with shields and helmets also gomer with all its troops and Beth Tuggarma from the north from the far north with all its troops the many nations with you.

[02:35:52] And that's why we were talking we're thinking like it sounds more like Babylon because they're talking about the north and what have you there. Right, but I'm going to take that back. Because here's something that we forgot to take into account. Sure. This is a future. Yes.

[02:36:06] This is a prophecy of things to come way far to come and the way that they phrased it was very much the words that they used in the original Hebrew was not like in the near future. It was in the very far future.

[02:36:25] And it is supposed to be after God has reunited all of Israel and Judah together as a nation and they are one.

[02:36:36] So let's some of those ideas of the reunification of Israel were depending on who you're reading and what book you're in but like even as Ezekiel and Jeremiah some of that. Those ideas of reunification were happening in the return from exile from Babylon.

[02:36:55] This is far after that though, okay because why I'm just saying that you know if we're talking about that. No, I hear what you're saying but it's not the same because at this point the northern tribe of Israel has been gone for hundreds of years at the time.

[02:37:18] Hundreds of years at this point. Okay. So they're gone. They're scattered, smothered, covered wherever swallowed up. Sure. Okay. So when they talk about the Babylonian exile ending and the people of Judah coming back to the land of Israel or wherever. Yeah.

[02:37:39] They're talking just about Judah and whatever whoever else they can find. This is different.

[02:37:48] That is after the Babylonian exile ends in the near future, but some of the wording though with regard to the Babylonian exile ending does indicate that he's going to pull his people from all the different areas to bring them all back to Israel.

[02:38:07] So I mean it does, it could. It could be read to to think of it as him bringing back all the tribes of Israel after the Babylonian exile because he's going to change their hearts and bring them back to Israel. So I mean I see what you're saying.

[02:38:23] It didn't actually happen so we have to look at it from a far off perspective basically. Right. But I feel like there is some room to interpret it as it could have been. It could have been returned from the Babylonian exile.

[02:38:35] It could accept for the word choices in the original Hebrew pointed to a far distant future. Got it. Not the near future of the end of our Babylonian exile. Okay. And I don't know Hebrew. I'm pulling this from what I read. This is what scholars are saying. Okay.

[02:39:01] I want to read you some of my notes. Okay. Magog the land not got and magog which is a different thing. This is gag of magog. Okay.

[02:39:12] So magog the land is identified by early historians as the land of the Sytheians, which I think I mentioned when we were reading this chapter. Mounting this region around the black and caspy and seas. Okay.

[02:39:26] And this position is generally accepted by most historians and scholars at this point. Okay. The data, those sparse could imply that the cities of Mishesh and Tupel refer to geographical areas or countries in eastern modern Turkey, southwest of Russia and northwest of Iran. Got it. Okay.

[02:39:47] Now unlike the Egyptians, a series in Babylonians with whom Judah had frequent contact over the centuries. Right. So the people in the distant north were shrouded in history. Okay. And by distant north, I don't mean like Babylonian north. I mean north of those guys north. Got it. Okay.

[02:40:10] So as the stories about them kind of trickled down, they became like the boogie man. Like the giants from afar kind of thing, right? Yeah. And of course, these mysterious groups that filter down spoke of wild people's brutal and barbaric.

[02:40:27] And this combination of mystery and brutality made Gog and his Confederates perfect symbols of the archetypal enemy rising against God and his people. Okay. So there was some like folklore into it. That one day we're going to be together again. Yay.

[02:40:46] And we'll have this one final battle and this final battle is supposed to be Gog leading all of these various nations. And that is supposed to occur around the end of days.

[02:40:59] So it's still interesting to me because this is a very localized version of end of days, right? They're taking this tribe that is not really that far away. It's not a tribe. Okay. I'll get there in a minute, but as several nations who all fall under Gog. Okay.

[02:41:22] So several nations are up there who are not really, they no one interacts with them. They're kind of a mythological place out there because they're not well known by the Israelites or the people in these areas, right? They're off the flat earth if you will. Right.

[02:41:40] But in the grand scheme of history, they aren't that far removed from where the Israelites are. And they're pretty near to this whole, you know, God thing that's happening down there in Israel, right? And in various other places. But Israel, right?

[02:41:57] And so this whole end of world theme is based still on this very localized area. And there's another reason for that too. There is another term that refers to, and I forget which chapter this was out of, I kind of glossed over it.

[02:42:19] But now that we're talking about it, it's relevant. Yeah. I wish I'd written it down. Don't they do this like every again? Yeah. There's a word that in one of these chapters refers to Israel as the center of the earth. We were like, um, what?

[02:42:38] You mean the center of like that little area. Right. But they refer to it as the naval of the world. Sure. And so they've turned it into, this is all we know of the planet right here. So this is the world to, oh no, no, no, no.

[02:42:58] This is not just what all we know. It's important because... Because of Israel. Because that's what we knew at first and everything else is extraneous because kind of like how earth is the most important planet in the whole universe. Right.

[02:43:19] Yeah, until we discovered more that we thought that the earth was all, we were the center of the planet. Exactly. Exactly. And this is how these people viewed their area of the world at that point.

[02:43:29] And they still kind of look at it that way though as Israel is the naval, the center from which all things flowed. Sure.

[02:43:39] But we are attributing, you know, the power, we're attributing things that this God who created all of the world, all of the universe, all of the stars were attributing things to end of days. And none of it goes outside of this small, circlish area where we're talking about.

[02:43:59] And it doesn't mean a whole lot to anybody if you actually take in the information that they're giving us, right? They're giving us the information and letting us know that this whole thing is meaningless at this point because they didn't, they couldn't see any further than this.

[02:44:17] And if God is really giving them the message, he's giving them the message and they're either not writing it down correctly, which it's still questionable or they're not getting any message. And they're just making up stories and that's more likely in the case because it just is.

[02:44:33] Like this is there, all the stories are very localized and very not, they cannot account beyond what they know exactly. And if you were talking to a God, your God would be able to tell you to write down something that would be able to account.

[02:44:47] He could prove with one or two words that he knew about the Native Americans or he could prove with one or two words that he was aware of people in Japan or, you know, like whatever. Or evolution.

[02:45:00] Yeah, any number of things, any number of things could have just like it could have been a spoiler, right? Just like a fucking little side note for somebody a thousand years later, they're like, oh dude knew what he was talking about man.

[02:45:13] Like, look right? Yeah. He could have said at some point, y'all going to need some vaccination. Get on. Get on. Like that would be cool, right? Yeah. And then the Christians would be like, oh we're supposed to get vaccinated. Okay, so we don't want measles reprisal.

[02:45:34] Cool, cool, cool. But that's why I have struggled with this being the quote unquote word of God.

[02:45:40] Sure. It's not the word of God. If it was the word of God, you'd be writing it down as he's saying it and if it was actually a God, he'd be a lot smarter than this. Yes, I totally 100% agree with you. I'm just trying to explain.

[02:45:54] No, I know. I'm going off. When they're talking about God, it is an end of days kind of and the end of days. Yes, you're right. Is centralized to Israel area? Sure. Okay. The verses may tell of a coming northern confederacy of nation.

[02:46:11] So confederacy of nations being more than one. Sure. About the black and cast be in seas with Persia and North Africa who will invade the Promised Land after Israel's restoration to it.

[02:46:23] These verses create the impression that God is an imperial power with vast military resources coming from the far north. God also had allies to the West in Persia, to the south in Ethiopia and to the east in Libya. Okay. Okay. And that's interesting.

[02:46:46] The number of this is so cool to me. The number of nations, if you like, add up all the ones, there are seven. One might say a seven nation army. Yes, I did say that. Huh. I think that might be where they actually got that. Really? Yeah. Interesting.

[02:47:07] I'd have to look that out. I was like, wait, a seven nation army, huh? Okay. Okay. Now, Gomer is one of those places that I mentioned in the verse six and most regard Gomer as a people from Capadosia in modern Turkey.

[02:47:27] And the house of Togurma is often regarded as the Armenian people to the north of Israel. So that's another thing is all of these nations are coming from every direction, not just north.

[02:47:43] God is coming from the north, but all of these other nations are coming from every direction surrounding Israel. Got it. They're just all being led by Gog who is like, sure. We have the numbers. Look at us. And we surround you.

[02:48:02] Yeah, we can totally loot you now. Got it. So that's why I think maybe when we were like, oh, yeah, they're probably talking about Babylon. That makes a sense. I think we kind of had it wrong even though none of it makes any fucking sense.

[02:48:19] Sure. I did a quick quick search because I was curious when you mentioned it. But seven nation army, it's from Jack White. When he was a child, he actually misheard the words, the salvation army and the seven. Oh my gosh. That's hilarious.

[02:48:34] I stuck with them and he just used the same title. So it was not based on this. No, but I thought that was interesting. You could have been. I put that together though. Right. Yeah. So now we are finally moving on to Ezekiel chapter 39.

[02:48:50] Okay. And this will be the last little bit. Okay. The first two verses I'm going to read. One of me on prophecy against Gogg and say, this is what the sovereign Lord says. I'm against you, Gogg. Chief Prince of Mishek and Tuba.

[02:49:03] I will turn you around and drag you along. I will bring you from the far north and send you against the mountains of Israel. Sure. And I don't know if you remember this. But when we hit chapter 39, we were like, dude, you already settled this in chapter 38.

[02:49:18] Like it was just like a rehash of everything. Right. And then we did a few additional details. Okay. Okay.

[02:49:29] I'm sure you can read the book in Hebrew literature. It was common to give an account and then to repeat it to give emphasis and then add a few additional details. Okay. Okay. I've exaggeration or whatever. Yeah.

[02:49:40] As such, the overthrow of Gogg and his forces is here, retold in different word choice and in fuller detail. And again, this is typical of Hebrew poetry and particularly in poetic or equals such as appear in the Bible.

[02:49:52] The repetition is common and the writing often reverts to previous statements and enlarges on them. Even though the result is too destroy all sense of consecutive arrangement. I mean, that pretty much describes the Bible. Yes.

[02:50:07] That's why I included that because I was like, oh, so you did it on purpose. I guess you dumb. So I thought that would be a good place to end. Yeah. No, that's good. I enjoyed a lot of that information that we went over today.

[02:50:24] So that was a good Q&A. I don't really have anything else to add. Did you have anything else to add before we get out of here?

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[02:50:45] I'm sure they're there and sure somebody can give it to me. Whatever. Anyway. So that was our Q&A for this Saturday. And we will be back tomorrow on Sunday with... Hey, drill, drill.

[02:50:58] And then I will get our weekly wrap up out and we'll be back on Monday with... A Z-K-L-Chapter 41. All right. We'll see you then. Bye. Bye. Why? Do you know what we're doing today? Well, something that is way overdue.

[02:51:17] But it is a Sunday we're doing this on the correct day. So there's that. So what are we doing? Page-y-all. Yeah, that's right. And what are we... What are we patriotic today?

[02:51:27] Well, you and I were having a conversation about curiosity and empathy and how those two kind of go together and you can't have one without the other. Yeah. One leads inevitably to the other. It was in our recent episode, I think.

[02:51:40] I can't remember exactly which one but yeah. We were talking about it on the air, I think. I don't think it was on the air, I thought it was after. Yeah, I think it could be. I get them confused. Oh no. But regardless, we were talking about this.

[02:51:52] Yeah, we were having this talk and then we started kind of talking about how atheists versus Christians have those traits or don't. Or don't. Yeah. And just thought we kind of maybe talk about that a bit more expand on it and bring it around, you know?

[02:52:13] No, I mean, not to jump too far into the conversation right off the bat, but I mean, I think that a lot of atheists know or have a sense that they are more compassionate and caring than a lot of Christians are. Oh, God damn it.

[02:52:26] Why don't you just have to turn this whole thing off? Just want to generalize, you know, overall, you know, feeling as to how people relate to one another and other and being. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. All right. So you ready to really talk about empathy and curiosity?

[02:52:40] Yes. Let's do this. Okay. All right. So we are hopping into our beach. Yeah. Yeah. And I thought we'd start off by talking about curiosity. Yeah. I like curiosity. It killed the cat. It's kind of what we do this podcast, right? We were curious about survival. True. Yeah.

[02:53:05] Curiosity is a strong desire to know, learn or understand something. Yep. No. That's definitely what curiosity is. I like to learn a lot and not what that. Yeah.

[02:53:16] I think I have a very strong desire to understand the world around me and you know better than anybody that when something comes up, I want to know more than just what the headline is. I dig into it and I want to find everything out about it.

[02:53:31] I mean, it's a twin annoying extensible times. Yes. On the same way. And it is twin annoying extent. And in school, it always got me in trouble because I would ask all the wrong questions that the teachers didn't want to answer.

[02:53:44] Because I understand now that they didn't have the answer or it was beyond the scope of the lesson and just like not what they were there to do. I'm just trying to imagine what both of us would have been like in Sunday school. Oh, my goodness.

[02:53:59] I do not envy the teacher any teacher of any subject that would have had us both to do. Right? Yeah. Yeah. And the reality is also the impetus behind exploration, innovation and learning. Yeah. All things that I care very much about. Yes.

[02:54:18] I wish that we would hurry up and do more space stuff. I agree. I feel like the reason that we started doing space stuff was for military reasons. Mm-hmm.

[02:54:27] And I wish that more of what we were curious about and explored was more centered around just pure curiosity scientific knowledge. And I think that's a great idea. Like not trying to show up, Russia or China.

[02:54:41] But like just to see what's out there and you know, wow, woo, we. Why can't we all be in awe about what surround us as a meniskeal dot in the grand scheme of the universe?

[02:54:54] Or if we have to have a reason, maybe it could be a back-of-plan for if the earth gets demolished. Sure. Does it have to be out of greed or for the self preservation? Does it have to be out of greed or showing up another country? Right.

[02:55:10] Like couldn't it just be a combined earth effort to save itself and see what's out there? The answer right now is no. Absolutely not. No. No. Curiosity feels empathy by motivating us to pay attention to others experiences and perspectives. Yeah. I agree with that.

[02:55:27] That was part of our discussion that we were having. And you know, I don't think that you are. There are a lot of things from my childhood that I didn't understand that I've that because of curiosity, I do now understand and have empathy for you know.

[02:55:42] And one of those, one of the larger things from my childhood that I didn't understand was the LGBTQIA community. I didn't understand what it was to be gay. I didn't understand what that meant. I didn't in fact, I was probably dericive towards those groups when I was younger.

[02:55:57] Not directly. I didn't have anybody directly to be dericive too. But it was socially acceptable to be dericive towards those groups when I was younger. Not just acceptable but encouraged. Like that's what your peers did so that's what you do. Right, but it was my curiosity.

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