Bible Study by Atheists Weekly: Hosea Chapters 11 - 14, Special Episode and Q&A

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[00:01:18] Do you remember where we are and how the hell we got here?

[00:01:23] Well, the last time we were on an actual chapter before we broke for the weekend, we were on chapter 10.

[00:01:29] Sure as fuck were.

[00:01:30] And in that episode, we were reading about idolatry and consequences and, you know, basically how God hates the fact that they worship idols and what he's going to do to them and all that kind of wonderful shit.

[00:01:43] And that's within the book of Hosea.

[00:01:45] In Hosea, yeah. Did I not say that?

[00:01:47] You said we were on chapter 10, but you didn't say...

[00:01:50] Oh, I didn't say what book.

[00:01:51] Yeah.

[00:01:51] Hosea.

[00:01:52] Hosea, as I like to call it.

[00:01:54] Now, there was something that got mentioned and I got curious to look it up.

[00:01:57] So they referenced at least once, if not a couple of times, the things that happened in Gebeah.

[00:02:05] And so I looked it up because I couldn't remember what that was referencing.

[00:02:08] Okay.

[00:02:09] And it is in regard to...

[00:02:12] Do you remember when the Levite and his concubine went to this guy's house and then everybody came to the door and wanted to, like, rape them, basically?

[00:02:22] Yeah.

[00:02:23] You remember that, right?

[00:02:23] I remember I cried about that.

[00:02:25] Yeah.

[00:02:25] Yeah.

[00:02:26] Because they kicked the girl out and let the guy stay.

[00:02:31] And then...

[00:02:31] And then...

[00:02:32] Yeah.

[00:02:33] He chopped her into a billion pieces.

[00:02:34] Well, he chopped her into 12 pieces to send to the other tribes.

[00:02:37] Yeah.

[00:02:37] Yeah.

[00:02:38] That's what that was referencing.

[00:02:39] Yeah.

[00:02:40] And that was, I think, it was originally in Judges 19 through 21.

[00:02:44] Okay.

[00:02:45] Okay.

[00:02:45] So if you want to go back and reference that as to what that actually was, that's what it was.

[00:02:50] Because we would rather rape and kill a woman than have homosexuality.

[00:02:54] Right.

[00:02:55] Yeah.

[00:02:55] That was terrible.

[00:02:56] Yeah.

[00:02:57] That was terrible.

[00:02:59] Yeah.

[00:02:59] Anyway, I just, I didn't know what they were referencing when we were reading it because

[00:03:02] I couldn't remember what that was about.

[00:03:04] Got it.

[00:03:05] But now I do.

[00:03:06] And I'm not sure I wanted to.

[00:03:08] Right.

[00:03:09] It is what it is.

[00:03:10] Thanks, Obama.

[00:03:11] Yeah.

[00:03:11] Right.

[00:03:12] So that was Hosea Chapter 10.

[00:03:15] Sure as fuck was.

[00:03:15] Which means that today we're getting into Hosea Chapter 11 or Hose Head as I like to call

[00:03:22] them.

[00:03:22] All right.

[00:03:23] Let's do this.

[00:03:24] Okie dokie.

[00:03:29] All right.

[00:03:30] We are hopping into Hosea Chapter 11.

[00:03:34] All right.

[00:03:34] Or Hose Head as I like to call them.

[00:03:37] Because this whole chapter is a hose head.

[00:03:40] I don't know.

[00:03:40] We decided, I think, one of the previous chapters that God was the hose head.

[00:03:44] God's always the hose head regardless of what book we're reading.

[00:03:47] That's a fact.

[00:03:49] All right.

[00:03:50] Ready for this?

[00:03:50] I'm ready.

[00:03:51] When is.

[00:03:52] Oh, this is God talking.

[00:03:53] Okay.

[00:03:54] Or this is Hosea talking for God talking.

[00:03:58] Got it.

[00:03:58] Yeah.

[00:03:59] Does that make sense?

[00:04:00] Sure.

[00:04:00] Okay.

[00:04:01] When Israel was a child, not the dude, but, you know, the.

[00:04:05] The land.

[00:04:06] The people.

[00:04:07] The whatever.

[00:04:07] The country thereof.

[00:04:08] Yeah, sure.

[00:04:08] The nation.

[00:04:09] Okay.

[00:04:09] I loved him.

[00:04:10] Aw.

[00:04:11] And out of Egypt I called my son.

[00:04:13] You know, I didn't.

[00:04:14] I don't know that he loved him so.

[00:04:15] Do you remember what happened on that trip?

[00:04:17] He called him.

[00:04:18] Yeah.

[00:04:19] But do you remember what happened on that trip?

[00:04:21] The 40 year trip.

[00:04:22] He made them take like 40 years because they kept complaining about being tired and hungry

[00:04:26] and hot.

[00:04:27] And then he threw birds at them.

[00:04:29] Yeah.

[00:04:30] He killed a lot of people along.

[00:04:31] He didn't love them that much.

[00:04:33] No.

[00:04:34] He only loved them a little.

[00:04:35] Like, just the.

[00:04:36] I don't know.

[00:04:37] It wasn't great.

[00:04:38] That's all I'm saying.

[00:04:39] Yeah.

[00:04:39] I would like to not be loved by that guy.

[00:04:42] He was not nice.

[00:04:44] No.

[00:04:44] But like, I like how we have this like after the fact reminiscence of how things were.

[00:04:49] Remember back in the good old days, the 1950s, you know, when we didn't have AC or or vaccinations

[00:04:56] or women's rights.

[00:04:58] And yeah.

[00:04:58] Yeah.

[00:04:59] Yeah.

[00:05:00] And or civil rights.

[00:05:01] And God threw birds at people.

[00:05:03] Yeah.

[00:05:04] Right.

[00:05:04] Yeah.

[00:05:05] I really don't like the reminiscing about the good old times because they weren't good.

[00:05:12] No.

[00:05:12] They were shitty.

[00:05:13] There are good times in every era that does not make it the good old days.

[00:05:19] Right.

[00:05:19] That just means, oh, that's when you were a kid or a teenager.

[00:05:23] Got it.

[00:05:24] OK.

[00:05:24] And it's from your particular perspective if it was good or bad.

[00:05:27] Right.

[00:05:27] Some people didn't have a good time.

[00:05:29] No.

[00:05:30] I mean, I don't know.

[00:05:31] My mom talks about the good old days of her childhood, but then she also in the same breath

[00:05:35] will tell me how there was a pool in her neighborhood that they cemented over rather than allow

[00:05:41] integration.

[00:05:43] Right.

[00:05:44] Yeah.

[00:05:44] They would not want.

[00:05:45] That does not seem good to me, especially to a certain segment of people.

[00:05:49] I'm glad that she had good days back then.

[00:05:52] Right.

[00:05:52] Imagine if she, you know, maybe was a person of color.

[00:05:55] I doubt that she would call that the good old days.

[00:05:58] No, probably not.

[00:06:00] Probably not.

[00:06:01] But the more they were called, you know, me God calling them.

[00:06:05] Yeah.

[00:06:06] Right.

[00:06:06] The more they went away from me.

[00:06:08] Oh, those bastards wandering the fucking desert.

[00:06:12] Yeah.

[00:06:13] They sacrificed to the balls and they burned incense to images right away.

[00:06:19] Yeah.

[00:06:19] Right away.

[00:06:20] Just happened right off the bat.

[00:06:21] Yeah.

[00:06:21] I mean, they walked out of Egypt and were like, boom, ball.

[00:06:24] Right.

[00:06:25] It was I who taught Ephraim to walk.

[00:06:29] And I just looked it up and he is using Ephraim synonymously with Israel, with Jacob.

[00:06:38] I kind of figured.

[00:06:39] I thought so, but I just wanted to confirm that he is using those three interchangeably.

[00:06:45] Okay.

[00:06:45] So I think Ephraim is actually like a city of, but.

[00:06:50] Got it.

[00:06:51] It's a representation of the rest of the northern Israel.

[00:06:54] Yes.

[00:06:54] States, whatever they were back then.

[00:06:56] Indeed.

[00:06:57] Yeah.

[00:06:57] Okay.

[00:06:57] So it was I who taught Ephraim to walk.

[00:07:01] You know, God who taught those people.

[00:07:04] Sure.

[00:07:04] Taking them by the arms.

[00:07:06] But they did not realize it was I who healed them.

[00:07:10] I mean.

[00:07:11] You would think he could have let them know that, though.

[00:07:14] Well.

[00:07:14] Like, if he's healing them, if he's doing these wonderful things, you would think he could

[00:07:18] make it known that he is the one doing that.

[00:07:21] Well, he told Moses and Moses was telling everybody.

[00:07:23] And Moses is who gathered the people and was like, let's get.

[00:07:26] Yeah, but Aaron was making a fucking golden calf while he was up on the mountain talking to

[00:07:30] God.

[00:07:30] That was that was several years later after they'd been wandering the desert for a bit.

[00:07:35] Still.

[00:07:35] When they were leaving, though, remember, there was like all those plagues.

[00:07:40] Yeah.

[00:07:41] And stuff.

[00:07:41] Right.

[00:07:42] They knew they knew the deal.

[00:07:43] They were like, oh, this God's scary.

[00:07:45] I don't know that they did because even Pharaoh was like, I don't know, man.

[00:07:49] And he had he had magicians or whatever the fuck they were doing similar things.

[00:07:53] Like he was like they were having a contest of who could do the worst shit or the crazy frogs

[00:07:57] are bigger than your frogs.

[00:07:59] And Pharaoh kept being like, nah, man, I don't I don't believe in your God.

[00:08:03] OK, but they did believe the people of Israel did believe because that was where Passover

[00:08:10] started, because they, you know, put the mark or whatever so that the firstborn child, every

[00:08:17] firstborn child, male child, whether it was like an animal or a person would die and the

[00:08:26] angel of death would know to pass over them.

[00:08:29] Right.

[00:08:29] And so they did that.

[00:08:30] Cool story, bro.

[00:08:32] But like that may have never happened or it didn't happen.

[00:08:36] Like, oh, OK, well, if we're going to talk like that, I'm just saying, like, there's a

[00:08:41] lot of historical evidence saying basically that the Israelites never.

[00:08:46] No, I know.

[00:08:46] Did an exodus out of Egypt.

[00:08:48] Right.

[00:08:48] It was never a thing.

[00:08:49] They've always kind of been where they were.

[00:08:51] And that's why there's so much cultural mixing between like the Canaanites and the Israelites,

[00:08:57] because they were essentially the same culture at one point.

[00:09:00] But whatever, man.

[00:09:01] Whatever, man.

[00:09:02] Well, I wasn't going down that part of the story.

[00:09:05] I was just chasing down the the biblical story.

[00:09:08] Well, the did they know about God?

[00:09:11] And I'm I'm saying, yes, they did.

[00:09:14] According to the Bible, according to Moses, who wrote that shit down, which is according

[00:09:20] to the Bible also.

[00:09:21] Yes.

[00:09:21] I mean, we're basing a lot of shit off of a text that we barely understand.

[00:09:25] Right.

[00:09:25] No, that's true.

[00:09:26] And it's not even the first draft, you know, because the draft, like when he climbed up

[00:09:31] the mountain to do the Ten Commandments, that draft broke.

[00:09:34] I want to.

[00:09:35] Yeah.

[00:09:35] I'd be curious if that was a different draft, you know, if there were different rules.

[00:09:37] And how many?

[00:09:39] Yeah.

[00:09:39] Like maybe there were only like eight the first time.

[00:09:42] And then when I broke, God was like, hang on, hang on.

[00:09:44] I'm glad that happened anyway.

[00:09:45] Right.

[00:09:46] I had something else to tell you.

[00:09:47] Yeah, I had some stuff in there.

[00:09:48] All right.

[00:09:49] So anyway, they did not realize it was I who healed them.

[00:09:52] I led them with cords of human kindness, with ties of love.

[00:09:58] I did see this in the notes.

[00:10:01] What he's talking about basically is like a child leash.

[00:10:04] Oh, like, you know, when they're either learning to walk,

[00:10:07] or when you're walking through a crowded area and you don't want to lose your kid.

[00:10:11] Yeah.

[00:10:11] So I led them with cords of human kindness, with ties of love.

[00:10:15] Like I was pulling them like puppet string kind of things, you know, I was pulling them along

[00:10:19] and they didn't know that it was me.

[00:10:22] I don't believe like that doesn't even ring true with the stories that we read.

[00:10:27] No.

[00:10:27] But you did not.

[00:10:29] God.

[00:10:29] Whatever.

[00:10:30] Hosea, you telling stories on God now.

[00:10:32] I think Hosea doesn't really know the story.

[00:10:35] You know, like I, I wonder because there was a lot of talk.

[00:10:38] We talked about this where there was a certain, I can't remember which prophet it was, but

[00:10:42] there was a certain, it was either a king or a prophet that brought back the book of

[00:10:47] Moses.

[00:10:47] Yeah.

[00:10:48] Because it apparently had been lost for a long time.

[00:10:50] And we were like, what do you mean brought back?

[00:10:52] Right.

[00:10:53] Right.

[00:10:53] Has it been gone all this time?

[00:10:54] Which makes me wonder that if it was just like rewritten at some point.

[00:10:57] Right.

[00:10:57] And if that's the case, then fuck all this.

[00:11:00] Yeah.

[00:11:00] All bets are off.

[00:11:00] Like it's all stupid.

[00:11:01] Yeah.

[00:11:02] But whatever.

[00:11:03] Yeah.

[00:11:03] So Hosea is like making this shit up based on like, but that's what my dad said.

[00:11:08] Right.

[00:11:08] Yeah.

[00:11:09] No, it's all hearsay.

[00:11:10] It's all passed down through generations.

[00:11:12] That's all this is really.

[00:11:14] To them, I was like one who lifts a little child to the cheek and I bent down to feed them.

[00:11:21] Will they not return to Egypt and will not Assyria rule over them because they refuse

[00:11:27] to repent those fuckers?

[00:11:30] Well, I mean, they're fleeing war.

[00:11:32] Yeah.

[00:11:33] Not you.

[00:11:34] Not other gods.

[00:11:35] Not their foot.

[00:11:36] They're fucking fleeing war.

[00:11:37] Yeah.

[00:11:38] So I whatever, man, if you're if you're God, don't have war happen.

[00:11:42] Well, the reason that they have war, they brought it on themselves.

[00:11:45] They weren't doing the right worship stuff.

[00:11:49] Yeah.

[00:11:49] Okay.

[00:11:50] You know, God would take care of him if only he's God.

[00:11:53] Yeah.

[00:11:53] He could do whatever the fuck he wants.

[00:11:54] Yeah.

[00:11:55] So you made them that way.

[00:11:56] Yeah.

[00:11:56] So fuck off.

[00:11:58] A sword will flash in their cities.

[00:12:00] It will devour their false prophets and put an end to their plans.

[00:12:05] Keep saying that.

[00:12:05] Mm hmm.

[00:12:06] My people are determined to turn from me.

[00:12:10] Not not just that they're doing it, but they are determined to do it.

[00:12:14] They're like that God, that God sucks, man.

[00:12:17] I am turning away from him so hard.

[00:12:19] It's like a married couple where one of the spouses is cheating and the other one's like,

[00:12:24] my spouse is just determined to be a harlot.

[00:12:28] I don't know how to fix this.

[00:12:30] They're just determined to fuck around.

[00:12:33] I can't.

[00:12:34] Yeah.

[00:12:35] Right.

[00:12:36] Determined.

[00:12:37] Right.

[00:12:38] Yeah.

[00:12:38] My people are determined to turn from me, even though they call me God most high.

[00:12:44] I will by no means exalt them.

[00:12:47] So they call me God most high.

[00:12:50] But then they'd be, you know, worshiping them bottles and shit.

[00:12:54] They call other gods the most high.

[00:12:56] What I did.

[00:12:56] Look, we've talked about this before.

[00:12:58] Like they worship other gods.

[00:12:59] They worship multiple gods.

[00:13:00] It's kind of like when you're a kid and you accidentally call your teacher mom.

[00:13:05] Right.

[00:13:05] Right.

[00:13:05] Yeah.

[00:13:06] Or you accidentally tell one of your friends as you're hanging up the phone, love you.

[00:13:11] Because that's what you always say when you hang up the phone with your mom.

[00:13:13] And you're like, God damn it.

[00:13:15] And then you're like, no, I don't.

[00:13:17] I mean, you're probably fine, but that's not the words I would have chosen just then.

[00:13:23] Right.

[00:13:24] Let's pretend this never happened.

[00:13:26] Yeah.

[00:13:26] Yeah.

[00:13:27] How can I give you up, Ephraim?

[00:13:29] I just can't get over you.

[00:13:30] No, wait.

[00:13:31] What is it?

[00:13:31] I just can't quit you.

[00:13:32] Yeah.

[00:13:33] How can I give you up, Ephraim?

[00:13:35] How can I hand you over, Israel?

[00:13:37] How can I treat you like Adma?

[00:13:40] How can I make you like Zeboiim?

[00:13:42] Okay.

[00:13:42] Who the fuck are these people?

[00:13:43] No, those are cities.

[00:13:45] Oh, okay.

[00:13:45] And I have some notes about them, which I will access here in my notey note file.

[00:13:52] In your note note place.

[00:13:53] My note note place.

[00:13:54] Your note note place.

[00:13:55] Some people have a note note note touch there, and I have a note note.

[00:13:59] Yeah.

[00:14:00] Okay.

[00:14:01] All right.

[00:14:01] The problem is that we prepped for four episodes, so you've got to scroll through a lot more notes.

[00:14:04] Yeah.

[00:14:05] I just had to scroll through all four episodes.

[00:14:08] Yeah.

[00:14:08] Okay.

[00:14:09] So now I'm like, where's that city?

[00:14:11] Where did it go?

[00:14:13] Okay.

[00:14:14] Okay.

[00:14:14] Adma and Zeboiim were cities in the same plain as Sodom and Gomorrah, each with a king.

[00:14:21] And although they are not specifically mentioned by name in the narrative in Genesis, they were destroyed together with Sodom and Gomorrah.

[00:14:30] Oh.

[00:14:30] As recorded in the general term, those cities and all the plain, which was in Genesis chapter 19.

[00:14:37] I see.

[00:14:38] Or they did get reference later in detail, quote, that the whole land thereof is brimstone and salt and burning, like the overthrow of Sodom and Gomorrah, Adma and Zeboiim, which the Lord overthrew in his anger and his wrath.

[00:14:54] And that was in Deuteronomy chapter 29.

[00:14:56] Right.

[00:14:57] So scholars typically link Sodom and Gomorrah with the Yahwistic tradition and Adma and Zeboiim with the Elohistic tradition.

[00:15:08] Hmm.

[00:15:08] Hmm.

[00:15:08] So.

[00:15:09] Interesting.

[00:15:09] They might be separate cities.

[00:15:11] They might be Sodom and Gomorrah.

[00:15:14] Who knows?

[00:15:14] Right.

[00:15:15] But it's interesting that, you know, because this is an older book, we're referencing the other cities in this book.

[00:15:22] So that, again, there's been some interesting references in this prophet because it's older.

[00:15:29] Hosea has been referencing a bunch of older stuff that we haven't touched on in a while.

[00:15:34] And the other books that we've been reading, they've been referencing everything in Kings and Chronicles.

[00:15:43] Right.

[00:15:43] And so that's been, like, really weird to wrap my head around.

[00:15:46] This is even weirder because this is going back to the Torah days.

[00:15:51] Sure.

[00:15:51] And to be fair, it was written during Kings and Chronicles.

[00:15:54] Right.

[00:15:55] But he is referencing stuff that is further back.

[00:15:57] Yeah.

[00:15:58] Yeah.

[00:15:58] So I'm just, I'm having a really hard time with the placement of this.

[00:16:02] Yeah.

[00:16:02] It feels like it should have been placed further back in the Bible.

[00:16:06] Right.

[00:16:06] Like, I swear to God, I'm going through and I'm tearing this shit up and putting it in the right order when I'm done.

[00:16:12] Because apparently God doesn't know how to edit.

[00:16:15] Right.

[00:16:15] Well, obviously.

[00:16:16] Yeah.

[00:16:16] Yeah.

[00:16:17] So how can I give you up?

[00:16:18] How can I hand you over?

[00:16:19] How can I treat you like Adma?

[00:16:21] How can I make you like Zeboiim?

[00:16:23] My heart is changed within me.

[00:16:26] All my compassion is aroused.

[00:16:28] Yeah, it is.

[00:16:30] I will not carry out my fierce anger, nor will I devastate Ephraim again.

[00:16:36] He's like, oh, fuck me.

[00:16:37] I don't want to destroy you guys.

[00:16:39] Stop being bastards.

[00:16:41] Right.

[00:16:41] For I am God and not a man.

[00:16:46] Right.

[00:16:46] The Holy One among you.

[00:16:48] I will not come against their cities.

[00:16:50] They will follow the Lord.

[00:16:52] He will roar like a lion when he roars.

[00:16:55] Oh, so we just went from like he over there.

[00:16:58] Yeah.

[00:16:59] Third person to now or from first person to now we're talking about God over there.

[00:17:04] Third person.

[00:17:05] Hmm.

[00:17:05] So I'm God.

[00:17:07] I think sometimes God sometimes talks about himself in third person.

[00:17:10] Yeah.

[00:17:10] So it's really hard to follow.

[00:17:11] It is because there was like no quotation mark endings.

[00:17:14] And I don't know if it's just a shit translation I'm reading or if this is like really how it be.

[00:17:19] I mean, Trump does the same thing.

[00:17:20] Yeah, but.

[00:17:21] Talks about himself in third person.

[00:17:22] He does.

[00:17:22] He does.

[00:17:23] And then when he fucks up, he just pretends like that's what he meant to say the whole time.

[00:17:26] And I'm like, dude, I don't know who's buying it, but only the stupids.

[00:17:31] Right.

[00:17:31] Because that's dumb.

[00:17:34] Everybody farts.

[00:17:35] Right.

[00:17:35] It's okay to admit it.

[00:17:36] Yep.

[00:17:37] They will follow the Lord.

[00:17:39] He will roar like a lion.

[00:17:43] When he roars.

[00:17:44] Like, remember at the beginning of those MGM movies?

[00:17:47] Yes, I do.

[00:17:48] Yeah.

[00:17:49] I do.

[00:17:52] With the lion roar in the beginning, did you ever like make the roar, roar as the lion did it?

[00:17:58] Probably, but I don't recall specifically.

[00:17:59] My whole family did.

[00:18:00] Oh.

[00:18:00] It was like a thing.

[00:18:01] It was never something like that.

[00:18:02] But yeah.

[00:18:03] Like when we all saw the lion roar, we would all do the roar, roar.

[00:18:07] And you know, like he moves his head and we did it with him.

[00:18:11] Right.

[00:18:11] And then when they started having the static lion where he didn't move at all.

[00:18:15] Yeah.

[00:18:15] That was the saddest.

[00:18:16] We're like, oh.

[00:18:17] Yeah.

[00:18:18] There's no, he's not, they'd still play the roar, but it's just a picture of the lion.

[00:18:23] Right.

[00:18:23] That's not the same.

[00:18:25] I don't know that there is even, I don't, I haven't heard the roar in a long time on

[00:18:28] a newer movie.

[00:18:29] I don't think there's an MGM studio anymore.

[00:18:31] Is there?

[00:18:32] I don't know.

[00:18:32] I'd have to look into it.

[00:18:33] I don't know.

[00:18:34] I'm an A24 girl.

[00:18:37] Anyway, he gonna roar like a lion.

[00:18:39] All right.

[00:18:39] Yeah.

[00:18:39] Yeah.

[00:18:40] When he roars, his children will come trembling from the West.

[00:18:44] Will they though?

[00:18:45] Probably not.

[00:18:46] They will come from Egypt, trembling like sparrows, from Assyria, fluttering like doves.

[00:18:52] I will settle them in their homes, declares the Lord.

[00:18:55] That's nice.

[00:18:56] Ephraim has surrounded me with lies, Israel with deceit, and Judah, oof, is unruly against

[00:19:03] God, even against the faithful Holy One.

[00:19:05] The end.

[00:19:07] Okay.

[00:19:07] All right.

[00:19:08] So, they're, again, more dissing the Northern tribes and saying, Judah, you better watch

[00:19:15] yourself.

[00:19:15] You're getting bad, just like them.

[00:19:17] You know how-

[00:19:18] I'm gonna have to punish you soon.

[00:19:20] Don't make me punish you.

[00:19:21] Don't make me do this, man.

[00:19:22] Wait.

[00:19:23] I don't wanna kill you, but I will.

[00:19:25] I don't, don't make me murder you.

[00:19:27] Right.

[00:19:28] You have it coming.

[00:19:29] But, but I don't wanna.

[00:19:31] I can't help you.

[00:19:31] If you, if you, if you do this, it's because you did it, not because I did it.

[00:19:35] You brought this on yourself.

[00:19:37] Even though I'll do it.

[00:19:38] But I'm, I'm not the one doing it.

[00:19:39] You're doing it.

[00:19:40] Not me.

[00:19:41] This'll hurt me more than the dead you.

[00:19:44] What?

[00:19:46] All right.

[00:19:47] That was Hosea chapter 11.

[00:19:49] Sure as fuck was.

[00:19:50] Which means that we will be back tomorrow with-

[00:19:54] Hosea chapter 12, or hose head.

[00:19:57] All right.

[00:19:58] We'll see you then.

[00:19:58] Bye.

[00:20:03] Ben.

[00:20:04] Wife.

[00:20:04] Do you know what chapter we're on?

[00:20:07] Well, we just got done reading Hosea chapter 11.

[00:20:11] Sure as fuck did.

[00:20:12] Which means that today we're getting into-

[00:20:14] Hosea chapter 12, or as I like to call him, hose head.

[00:20:18] Right.

[00:20:19] And in the last chapter, Hosea chapter 11, we read about God.

[00:20:26] He was, he was trying to tell us how wonderful he was and that, you know, he wasn't going to like,

[00:20:30] you know, leave them in Egypt and he brought them out.

[00:20:33] He was such a great standup guy.

[00:20:35] So magnanimous.

[00:20:36] And he really hates to have to be forced to kill them and do horrible things to them.

[00:20:41] So please don't make him do that.

[00:20:42] But if he does have to do it, he's going to do it anyway.

[00:20:44] Kind of like an abusive spouse who says, I didn't want to hit her.

[00:20:49] She had it coming.

[00:20:50] Right.

[00:20:50] Right.

[00:20:50] Yeah.

[00:20:51] She deserved what she got.

[00:20:52] Yeah.

[00:20:52] So, so yeah, that was, that was Hosea chapter 11.

[00:20:56] He also referred to himself as a lion or something.

[00:20:59] Oh yeah.

[00:21:00] We talked about that.

[00:21:01] Yeah.

[00:21:01] And so I just wanted to mention that I did look it up really quickly.

[00:21:05] So if you're like curious.

[00:21:06] Because we were talking about MGM Studios.

[00:21:08] Yeah.

[00:21:09] I was getting there.

[00:21:10] Sorry.

[00:21:10] So I did look it up briefly.

[00:21:12] And if you're interested in it, you should like look it up way more.

[00:21:17] But yeah, MGM is still around.

[00:21:20] And MGM Studios had the first lion that they used.

[00:21:25] The first live lion that they used was named Leo.

[00:21:27] And they used several lions after that for the, you know, the roar.

[00:21:33] And every time they used a different lion, they always called him Leo.

[00:21:38] Even though the first one was the only actual Leo.

[00:21:41] Now back in like, I think it was like 2011 or some shit like that.

[00:21:46] Amazon bought it.

[00:21:47] Amazon Prime bought MGM.

[00:21:49] Oh.

[00:21:49] Yeah.

[00:21:49] Okay.

[00:21:50] So when they put movies out in theater, it's marketed through MGM.

[00:21:55] When it's on Prime, it goes through.

[00:21:57] Or when it's streaming, it goes through Prime.

[00:21:59] Right.

[00:22:00] Right.

[00:22:00] So the two are inextricably linked.

[00:22:04] And the lion is still around?

[00:22:06] It is an animated lion now that still uses the roar.

[00:22:10] I see.

[00:22:11] Yeah.

[00:22:11] I see.

[00:22:11] So it's an animated Leo.

[00:22:13] Mm-hmm.

[00:22:13] Okay.

[00:22:14] And that kind of makes me sad.

[00:22:16] Honestly.

[00:22:16] Yeah.

[00:22:17] Yeah.

[00:22:17] No, I agree.

[00:22:18] I'm an A24 girl.

[00:22:20] So.

[00:22:20] Which, just for those who don't know, A24 is a movie studio that produces movies.

[00:22:26] It produces very well made.

[00:22:28] It was an independent, like, artistically geared, like, independent theater kind of thing.

[00:22:37] Right.

[00:22:38] So now it's become much more mainstream.

[00:22:40] Sure.

[00:22:40] Yep.

[00:22:41] So anyway.

[00:22:42] Anyway.

[00:22:42] We just got done reading chapter 11.

[00:22:45] Yes.

[00:22:45] And today we're getting into?

[00:22:47] Hosea chapter 12.

[00:22:48] All right.

[00:22:49] Let's do this.

[00:22:49] Okie dokie.

[00:22:56] All right.

[00:22:56] We're hopping into Hosea chapter 12.

[00:22:59] All right.

[00:23:00] Hose head.

[00:23:01] How you doing, hose head?

[00:23:03] Um, even feeds on the wind.

[00:23:05] Whoa.

[00:23:06] Okay.

[00:23:06] Okay.

[00:23:07] Yeah.

[00:23:07] That's, uh, I wish I could feed on the wind.

[00:23:08] I love eating wind.

[00:23:09] That would be, mm-hmm.

[00:23:11] Be a lot cheaper.

[00:23:12] I imagine that it tastes like cotton candy.

[00:23:14] Yeah.

[00:23:14] Just because it's fun sugar.

[00:23:15] Cotton candy wind.

[00:23:16] Yeah.

[00:23:16] Mm.

[00:23:17] Yeah.

[00:23:17] Or, or like, uh, blue Gatorade.

[00:23:20] Mm.

[00:23:21] You know?

[00:23:21] Yeah.

[00:23:21] Like, I don't know.

[00:23:22] There's just something.

[00:23:23] Yum, yum, yum, yum, yum.

[00:23:24] Sure.

[00:23:24] I ate that wind.

[00:23:25] Right.

[00:23:26] He pursues the east wind all day and multiplies lies and violence.

[00:23:31] Mm-hmm.

[00:23:32] That motherfucker.

[00:23:32] Yeah.

[00:23:33] And so what he means by that is like eating the wind is like just eating nothing.

[00:23:38] Got it.

[00:23:38] You know, you're depending on nothing.

[00:23:40] You're saying nothing.

[00:23:42] Got it.

[00:23:42] Like it's not really something that's there.

[00:23:44] Or it's not something you can rely on.

[00:23:47] It's all just dust in the wind, man.

[00:23:48] It's all just dust in the wind.

[00:23:50] Yeah.

[00:23:50] Mm-hmm.

[00:23:51] He makes a treaty with Assyria and sends fucking olive oil to Egypt.

[00:23:56] Man.

[00:23:57] Like he's just a little backstabbing son of a bitch.

[00:24:00] Right?

[00:24:00] Yeah.

[00:24:00] He's working all the sides.

[00:24:02] Yeah.

[00:24:03] Which I mean, you know, if you're in the middle of two giant fucking nations, wouldn't you?

[00:24:07] Try to placate both?

[00:24:08] Yeah.

[00:24:08] Yeah.

[00:24:08] I don't want to be attacked by either of those fuckers.

[00:24:10] No kidding.

[00:24:10] Right?

[00:24:10] I'm just saying.

[00:24:11] Yeah.

[00:24:12] The Lord has charged to bring against Judah.

[00:24:17] Jacob according to his ways and repay him according to his deeds.

[00:24:21] So he's not going to be nice anymore?

[00:24:22] We're punishing them now?

[00:24:24] Well, here's the thing.

[00:24:25] He's talking about Judah, but then he talks about Jacob.

[00:24:28] Jacob is Israel.

[00:24:29] Right.

[00:24:30] Not Judah.

[00:24:30] No, it's very confusing what he's...

[00:24:31] Yeah.

[00:24:31] This whole bit is very confusing.

[00:24:34] And he's about to talk about Jacob, the person, not the nation.

[00:24:39] Okay.

[00:24:39] Okay?

[00:24:40] So I don't know.

[00:24:41] He is?

[00:24:42] Yeah.

[00:24:42] I'm telling you that he's about to.

[00:24:44] Okay.

[00:24:45] So we're going to have to pay really close attention and we may have to revisit this even.

[00:24:49] Okay?

[00:24:49] Got it.

[00:24:49] So the Lord has a charge to bring against Judah.

[00:24:53] I don't know why I just said that because now I'm going to talk about Jacob.

[00:24:56] Okay.

[00:24:57] He will punish Jacob according to his ways and repay him according to his deeds.

[00:25:02] In the womb, he grasped his brother's heel.

[00:25:05] As a man, he struggled with God.

[00:25:09] He struggled...

[00:25:10] Like, remember, he's always fighting against God and whatever.

[00:25:13] Right.

[00:25:14] He struggled with the angel and overcame him.

[00:25:16] Like, remember, he was the one that wrestled with the angel of the Lord or whatever.

[00:25:20] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:25:21] And I got to wonder here because, you know, Jacob is kind of used as the description of

[00:25:27] what Israel is, right?

[00:25:28] Like, that's the name of Israel, essentially.

[00:25:30] So I wonder if because Ephraim and all the northern tribes and all that has gone away,

[00:25:37] if Judah is Jacob now in lore as opposed to the whole group.

[00:25:43] But this is pre all of that.

[00:25:46] Well, the tribes have separated, though, already.

[00:25:49] Like, there's still the northern...

[00:25:50] Like, the northern tribes have already broken away.

[00:25:53] They're worshiping the golden calf.

[00:25:55] Right.

[00:25:55] But they haven't been completely swallowed up yet.

[00:25:59] Sure.

[00:25:59] But the good tribe, Judah, is maybe being used as the comparison to Jacob here.

[00:26:05] Possibly.

[00:26:06] Just in my estimation, maybe that's what's going on.

[00:26:09] Sure.

[00:26:09] So I don't know for sure, but that's how it feels.

[00:26:11] That's fine.

[00:26:12] I don't have any clue, so that makes as much sense as anything else.

[00:26:16] Right.

[00:26:16] Right.

[00:26:16] So anyway, he struggled with the angel and overcame him.

[00:26:19] Yeah.

[00:26:19] Jacob did.

[00:26:20] Sure.

[00:26:20] Yeah.

[00:26:21] He wept and begged for his favor.

[00:26:23] He found him at Bethel and talked with him there.

[00:26:26] The Lord God Almighty.

[00:26:27] The Lord is his name.

[00:26:29] Remember that?

[00:26:30] Remember?

[00:26:30] The Lord is his name.

[00:26:31] Yeah.

[00:26:32] Yeah.

[00:26:32] But you must return to your God, maintain love and justice and wait for your God always.

[00:26:37] Okay.

[00:26:38] Okay.

[00:26:39] Do that.

[00:26:39] No.

[00:26:40] Okay.

[00:26:41] The merchant uses dishonest scales, dishonest scales and loves to defraud.

[00:26:47] You know, he's always trying to cheat the customer.

[00:26:51] Right.

[00:26:52] E from both.

[00:26:53] I'm very rich.

[00:26:54] I have become wealthy with all my wealth.

[00:26:56] They will not find in me any iniquity or sin.

[00:27:00] Hmm.

[00:27:01] Okay.

[00:27:01] Wait.

[00:27:02] Hold on.

[00:27:02] I think so they're saying they can buy away.

[00:27:04] Yeah.

[00:27:05] I can.

[00:27:05] I'm Trump.

[00:27:06] I can buy anything.

[00:27:08] I'll never serve a day in jail for all the shit I've done.

[00:27:10] I admit that I've done it, but can't catch me.

[00:27:13] I'm the gingerbread man.

[00:27:14] Sure.

[00:27:14] Because I have money.

[00:27:15] Right.

[00:27:16] Right.

[00:27:16] But I'm not saying that it's the money that saves me.

[00:27:20] I'm saying I'm so rich that my sins are not considered sins.

[00:27:25] Right.

[00:27:26] Like, that's not how that works, bro.

[00:27:28] No.

[00:27:29] But also it could be just, and I don't know what the dynamic is here, but like Ephraim

[00:27:35] and the northern tribes could have been richer than Judah because they were trading with the

[00:27:39] other groups and they were doing things that they didn't find ethically correct.

[00:27:43] Right.

[00:27:44] So therefore they're disparaging them for the wealth that they are bringing in because of

[00:27:48] those situations.

[00:27:49] It's like blood money or whatever.

[00:27:51] It could just be jealousy.

[00:27:52] It could.

[00:27:52] And I don't know.

[00:27:53] I mean, I don't want to like speak for what's going on, but it feels like there's a disparity

[00:27:58] between who is getting what from whom.

[00:28:02] So.

[00:28:03] I have been the Lord your God ever since you came out of Egypt.

[00:28:08] Ever since you came out of Egypt.

[00:28:10] But not before.

[00:28:10] Not a day before.

[00:28:11] Right.

[00:28:12] I will make you live in tents again, motherfuckers.

[00:28:15] Oh, not tents.

[00:28:16] As in the days of your appointed festivals.

[00:28:19] Can you even?

[00:28:20] Right.

[00:28:21] Like the, what was that one called?

[00:28:22] The shelter, like the.

[00:28:24] The festival of shelters.

[00:28:25] Festival of shelters or something like that.

[00:28:26] Yeah.

[00:28:26] Yeah.

[00:28:27] Okay.

[00:28:27] All right.

[00:28:27] I spoke to the prophets, gave them many visions and told parables through them.

[00:28:33] You know what?

[00:28:34] God might've done you better if you just spoke straight.

[00:28:38] Yeah.

[00:28:38] To everybody.

[00:28:39] You just don't have to do parables.

[00:28:41] You can actually just fucking explain yourself simply to everybody across the board.

[00:28:46] You also don't have to.

[00:28:46] Yeah.

[00:28:46] You don't have to use prophets.

[00:28:48] That's really dumb.

[00:28:49] Imagine.

[00:28:50] Yeah.

[00:28:50] Like you seem so limited, God.

[00:28:52] Right.

[00:28:54] Is Gilead wicked?

[00:28:56] Yeah.

[00:28:57] Yeah.

[00:28:57] It's people are worthless!

[00:28:58] Exclamation point.

[00:28:59] Whoa, I guess they are.

[00:29:01] Do they sacrifice bulls in Gilgal?

[00:29:04] Do they?

[00:29:05] Do they?

[00:29:05] Their altars will be like piles of stones on a plowed field.

[00:29:09] Hmm.

[00:29:09] I guess they do.

[00:29:10] I guess probably.

[00:29:11] Yeah.

[00:29:12] Jacob fled into the country of Aram.

[00:29:15] Israel served to get a wife and to pay for her.

[00:29:17] To pay for her, he tended sheep.

[00:29:21] Okay.

[00:29:22] The Lord used a prophet to bring Israel up from Egypt by a prophet he cared for him.

[00:29:27] We're talking about Moses, right?

[00:29:29] Because the one who brought him up from Egypt, I guess?

[00:29:34] I don't know.

[00:29:35] That's the only thing I can think of.

[00:29:37] Okay.

[00:29:37] I'm kind of confused here.

[00:29:39] I am.

[00:29:39] I'm a little confused myself.

[00:29:40] But Ephraim has aroused his bitter anger.

[00:29:43] His Lord will leave on him the guilt of his bloodshed and will repay him for his contempt.

[00:29:49] The end.

[00:29:50] Okay.

[00:29:51] So God hates you.

[00:29:52] He gonna get you.

[00:29:53] The end.

[00:29:53] Got it.

[00:29:54] Yeah.

[00:29:54] I feel like this chapter is going to require a little bit more work on our Q&A because I

[00:30:00] didn't understand fully all the dynamics of what was going on here.

[00:30:05] Same.

[00:30:06] Yeah.

[00:30:06] There was a lot of references that are older references, so I'm not quite getting them.

[00:30:11] I'm like, A, I don't really understand that.

[00:30:13] And B, I don't fucking remember all that.

[00:30:15] Right.

[00:30:16] Dude, we've been reading this thing for like four years.

[00:30:18] Yeah.

[00:30:19] I cannot remember everything.

[00:30:21] Yeah.

[00:30:21] The whole Jacob bit was probably like two and a half, three years ago at this point.

[00:30:26] Honestly, get the fuck over yourself, Bible.

[00:30:29] I mean, I'm doing the best I can, okay?

[00:30:31] We are.

[00:30:32] We are.

[00:30:33] And let's see.

[00:30:34] Today is Tuesday.

[00:30:36] Just wanted to reiterate that tomorrow we will be doing our live Discord, which we talked

[00:30:42] about this last week, but we are in the midst of changing our schedule a little bit.

[00:30:46] We're going to be doing four biblical chapters every week.

[00:30:50] We're going to be doing one special episode.

[00:30:54] And every other week it'll be for everybody.

[00:30:56] And the other week will be Patreon only.

[00:30:58] But it'll always be available on our Discord for anybody who joins our Discord and joins us

[00:31:02] on the lives at 10 p.m.

[00:31:04] Eastern on Wednesdays.

[00:31:06] Yes.

[00:31:06] So I just wanted to say that now so that if you haven't joined us over there, go do that

[00:31:10] or join us on Patreon and help us out that way too.

[00:31:13] Yeah.

[00:31:13] You can join there and get those episodes for as little as $2 a month, just so you're aware.

[00:31:17] Yeah.

[00:31:17] And anything else to add for before we get out of here today?

[00:31:23] So this will be a Patreon episode this week then on Wednesday.

[00:31:26] It will be a Patreon episode this week, yes.

[00:31:28] And I highly recommend hitting either the live on Wednesday or becoming a Patreon member because

[00:31:36] this one's going to be really good.

[00:31:38] We're going to talk about trans people versus intersex people and just the whole discussion

[00:31:47] around what constitutes an easy introduction to that conversation given that part of that is social,

[00:31:59] part of it is personal, and part of it is science and hormones and chromosomes and stuff.

[00:32:03] I'm not going to get too deep into it because I don't know the science.

[00:32:07] But I think it's going to be really interesting because I've had some kind of cool conversations

[00:32:13] that I just wanted to bring to the table.

[00:32:15] Yeah, definitely.

[00:32:16] I'm looking forward to that discussion and we hope to see you either on the live or on

[00:32:21] Patreon for that.

[00:32:22] Yeah.

[00:32:22] So that was Hosea chapter 12.

[00:32:26] Sure as fuck was.

[00:32:27] Which means that we will be back tomorrow with...

[00:32:29] Hosea chapter 13!

[00:32:31] We'll see you then.

[00:32:32] Bye!

[00:32:33] Then!

[00:32:37] Wave!

[00:32:38] Do you remember where we are?

[00:32:40] Well, we just got done reading Hosea chapter 12.

[00:32:44] Sure as fuck did.

[00:32:45] And it was kind of a short chapter actually.

[00:32:47] Short and weird.

[00:32:48] Yeah.

[00:32:49] But it was more of the, you know, Israel sucks because they worship idols and they're doing

[00:32:53] other things with other, you know, countries and...

[00:32:55] Ba'al, ba'al, ba'al.

[00:32:57] Trading with the wrong people and whatever.

[00:32:59] I don't really give a fuck.

[00:33:00] Yeah.

[00:33:00] And then God's going to, you know, punish them by probably killing them or sending people

[00:33:04] to kill them or something along those lines.

[00:33:07] Yeah.

[00:33:07] And then we started talking about Jacob a little bit and how, you know, he grabbed his brother's

[00:33:11] leg on the way out of the womb and stuff.

[00:33:13] Yeah.

[00:33:14] But it's something we brought up yesterday that it bothered me that I didn't remember

[00:33:19] to say it in the moment.

[00:33:21] And that's that when we were reading about Jacob initially, I don't know that we realized

[00:33:26] that we were actually talking about tribes and not people.

[00:33:29] Right.

[00:33:29] So even though we were talking about people back when we were talking about Jacob, it was

[00:33:34] meant as a metaphor for...

[00:33:40] The tribe.

[00:33:40] You know, the tribe.

[00:33:41] Yeah.

[00:33:41] So, and we didn't understand that necessarily right when we were reading those chapters

[00:33:45] way back when, right?

[00:33:47] Mm-hmm.

[00:33:47] But ultimately the Old Testament back then was talking about people but meant tribes.

[00:33:55] Right.

[00:33:55] So...

[00:33:56] Groups of people.

[00:33:57] Yeah.

[00:33:57] Even though we were talking about a person, we were talking about multiple people.

[00:34:00] Right.

[00:34:00] And so it all fits kind of, but in a roundabout way.

[00:34:05] And it felt really weird in this last chapter...

[00:34:07] Yeah.

[00:34:08] ...to go back to, oh no, but we're talking about dude again.

[00:34:11] Right.

[00:34:11] Like, what?

[00:34:11] I didn't like them bringing back up the way it was phrased back then because it's very

[00:34:17] confusing.

[00:34:18] It's very confusing to the reader to switch between talking about actual events versus

[00:34:25] metaphorical events.

[00:34:26] Like, are we talking about dude Jacob or are we talking about Israel Jacob?

[00:34:30] Right.

[00:34:30] Like, the fuck?

[00:34:31] And honestly, I don't know for sure because I can't be in Hosea's mind...

[00:34:35] Right.

[00:34:35] ...or whoever the writer was that was writing this because maybe they didn't understand

[00:34:40] what was going on with their stories.

[00:34:42] And then sometimes they were like, oh no, but this time we're saying Ephraim just for

[00:34:46] shits and giggles.

[00:34:47] Sure.

[00:34:47] What?

[00:34:47] What?

[00:34:48] Yeah, it was very confusing.

[00:34:49] Pick one.

[00:34:49] Who are we...

[00:34:50] What are we talking about here, guys?

[00:34:52] Right.

[00:34:52] What's going on?

[00:34:53] Anyway, God loves his people but wants to kill them because they suck.

[00:34:57] Uh-huh.

[00:34:58] And that's pretty much the theme of all of Hosea so far other than...

[00:35:01] That's the Old Testament.

[00:35:02] Yeah, the Old Testament thus far.

[00:35:05] But that was Hosea chapter 11.

[00:35:07] No, I'm sorry.

[00:35:08] Hosea chapter 12.

[00:35:10] Yes.

[00:35:10] Sorry.

[00:35:11] Yes.

[00:35:11] Which means that today we're getting into...

[00:35:13] Hosea chapter 13.

[00:35:15] All right.

[00:35:16] Let's do this.

[00:35:16] Okie dokie.

[00:35:23] All right.

[00:35:24] We are hopping into the Hosehead chapter 13.

[00:35:27] Hosea.

[00:35:28] Whatever you say, bro.

[00:35:30] Oh, you know what?

[00:35:31] I have to say something completely off topic before we jump into this.

[00:35:34] Not off topic.

[00:35:35] No way.

[00:35:35] I'm super excited about this.

[00:35:37] Okay.

[00:35:38] For those who have been following my medical saga, I got my...

[00:35:41] Quite a saga.

[00:35:42] It is.

[00:35:43] Yeah.

[00:35:43] But I got my stitches out today.

[00:35:45] Yeah.

[00:35:45] And also...

[00:35:46] Congratulations.

[00:35:47] Thank you.

[00:35:49] Also, I was at occupational therapy and the girl was like, hey, I can feel that one of

[00:35:55] your tendons is stuck so I can pop it for you.

[00:35:57] It'll hurt like a son of a bitch or I could not do it and it'll be kind of stuck like that

[00:36:04] and you won't have as much mobility.

[00:36:05] And if you want to fix it like several weeks from now, you change your mind, you'll have

[00:36:09] to have surgery again to fix it.

[00:36:11] Right.

[00:36:11] So you were like...

[00:36:12] I was like, let's just do it now.

[00:36:14] Duh.

[00:36:15] Right.

[00:36:15] And so she popped it and I came up out of my seat and screamed.

[00:36:18] Yeah.

[00:36:19] But...

[00:36:19] But now my thumb is working good and I didn't even know.

[00:36:23] Yeah.

[00:36:24] Yeah.

[00:36:24] So, yeah, I was in a lot of pain and it was great.

[00:36:28] And my stitches are out.

[00:36:30] Good pain.

[00:36:30] Good pain.

[00:36:31] Yeah.

[00:36:31] Well, the way I described it to her because she was like, you know, what do you mean

[00:36:37] good pain?

[00:36:37] And I was like, okay, like when you go exercise, right?

[00:36:40] And then you're done exercising and all your muscles are burning and you hurt.

[00:36:44] Yeah.

[00:36:44] But it's a good pain.

[00:36:46] But you know it was for a good cause.

[00:36:47] It hurts good.

[00:36:48] For a good reason.

[00:36:48] Yeah.

[00:36:49] Yeah.

[00:36:49] But it feels good too though.

[00:36:50] Sure.

[00:36:51] Like, yes, it hurts, but it's in the good way.

[00:36:54] Right.

[00:36:54] Because you feel loose and you feel good.

[00:36:58] Yeah.

[00:36:58] Even though it hurts.

[00:36:59] Yeah.

[00:37:00] That's the way it works.

[00:37:01] The good pain.

[00:37:01] Yeah.

[00:37:02] The good pain.

[00:37:02] I got it.

[00:37:03] Yeah.

[00:37:03] Okay.

[00:37:04] Anyway, when Ephraim spoke.

[00:37:05] When Ephraim spoke.

[00:37:06] Okay.

[00:37:06] Yeah.

[00:37:07] People trembled.

[00:37:09] Wait, wait, wait.

[00:37:09] When Ephraim spoke?

[00:37:11] Yeah.

[00:37:11] Not God.

[00:37:12] Ephraim.

[00:37:13] Okay.

[00:37:13] Why did people tremble when Ephraim spoke?

[00:37:17] That's the rest of the sentence.

[00:37:18] Okay.

[00:37:18] He was exalted in Israel.

[00:37:19] That's why.

[00:37:21] Wait, wait a second.

[00:37:24] Is Ephraim God?

[00:37:26] I don't fucking know.

[00:37:27] No.

[00:37:28] But he became guilty of Baal worship and died.

[00:37:31] Oh, so Ephraim is a person.

[00:37:34] Maybe.

[00:37:35] What?

[00:37:35] What?

[00:37:36] What?

[00:37:37] I'm very confused now.

[00:37:38] Hold on.

[00:37:38] Hold on.

[00:37:39] No.

[00:37:40] Okay.

[00:37:41] I'm going to read this notes.

[00:37:43] Yeah.

[00:37:43] Okay.

[00:37:44] Because I'm really confused right now.

[00:37:45] Yeah.

[00:37:45] I don't know.

[00:37:45] Here's my notes.

[00:37:47] And this covers verses one through three.

[00:37:49] Sure.

[00:37:49] Okay.

[00:37:50] Okay.

[00:37:50] Ephraim prided itself that it was the leading tribe in Israel and that the other tribe

[00:37:57] did as Ephraim told them.

[00:38:00] Ah.

[00:38:01] Okay.

[00:38:02] Okay.

[00:38:02] Okay.

[00:38:02] So they saw themselves as the leader.

[00:38:04] And that was something I meant to clarify that I kept wondering.

[00:38:08] I think you referred to Ephraim as a city or something, but it's actually a tribe.

[00:38:12] Oh, okay.

[00:38:12] And that was in an earlier chapter that we read.

[00:38:15] Last chapter.

[00:38:15] It was the last chapter.

[00:38:16] Yeah.

[00:38:16] I remember they were part of the Ephraim, Manassas, and whatever.

[00:38:19] Oh, you're right.

[00:38:19] Okay.

[00:38:20] Yeah.

[00:38:20] I forgot about that.

[00:38:21] But it occurred to me like a day or two ago.

[00:38:24] And then I forgot to, you know, clarify that.

[00:38:27] My bad.

[00:38:27] My bad.

[00:38:27] No, you're good.

[00:38:28] You're good.

[00:38:28] I wish you would have corrected me because that would have helped me just then.

[00:38:32] Now.

[00:38:32] Oh, I got you.

[00:38:33] Just then now.

[00:38:33] Well, now I'm clarifying.

[00:38:35] So.

[00:38:35] Yeah.

[00:38:36] So Ephraim is a tribe and they're like, we're in charge and you should listen to us because

[00:38:41] we're the bestest.

[00:38:42] Yeah.

[00:38:43] And we rule Israel.

[00:38:45] I see.

[00:38:45] And then we died.

[00:38:46] They died.

[00:38:47] Yeah.

[00:38:48] I don't even know what the fuck that means.

[00:38:50] I guess they got conquered.

[00:38:50] They got swallowed up.

[00:38:51] Sure.

[00:38:51] Yeah.

[00:38:52] Okay.

[00:38:52] Okay.

[00:38:53] So, but he became guilty of Baal worship and died.

[00:38:56] Okay.

[00:38:56] He, the tribe.

[00:38:58] He, the tribe.

[00:38:59] Yeah.

[00:38:59] Okay.

[00:39:00] Now they sin more and more.

[00:39:02] Well, wait, they died though.

[00:39:03] They're not dead.

[00:39:04] How do you sin more and more if you died?

[00:39:06] Maybe they died in spirit.

[00:39:08] Oh.

[00:39:08] They died because they lost God.

[00:39:11] Or like God's like, you're dead to me.

[00:39:13] Yes.

[00:39:13] No, I think that's what it is.

[00:39:15] Like, I'm turning my back on you kind of thing.

[00:39:18] Okay.

[00:39:18] All right.

[00:39:18] Like, they're dead as far as God is concerned.

[00:39:21] Sure.

[00:39:21] You know?

[00:39:22] All right.

[00:39:22] Now they sin more and more.

[00:39:24] They make idols for themselves from their silver, cleverly fashioned images.

[00:39:29] All of them, the work of craftsmen.

[00:39:31] It is said of these people, they offer human sacrifices.

[00:39:36] They kiss calf idols.

[00:39:38] The fuck?

[00:39:40] Those motherfuckers.

[00:39:42] Can you even?

[00:39:43] Mm.

[00:39:43] That's what they said.

[00:39:44] Is that what they said?

[00:39:45] Yeah.

[00:39:46] End quote.

[00:39:47] Therefore, they will be like the morning mist.

[00:39:51] Again, like the early dew that disappears.

[00:39:54] Okay.

[00:39:54] Lots of people are like the dew.

[00:39:56] Yeah.

[00:39:56] Like chaff swirling from a threshing floor.

[00:40:00] Like smoke escaping through a window.

[00:40:03] Are you catching what I'm...

[00:40:04] Because one comparison is not enough.

[00:40:05] We have to do multiple here.

[00:40:07] Are you picking up what I'm laying down?

[00:40:09] I think I'm getting it.

[00:40:10] Yeah.

[00:40:10] Yeah.

[00:40:10] Yeah.

[00:40:11] But, quote, I have been the Lord your God ever since you came out of Egypt.

[00:40:18] You shall acknowledge no God but me.

[00:40:21] No Savior but me.

[00:40:23] Okay.

[00:40:24] Okay?

[00:40:24] I mean, he says that a lot.

[00:40:26] I'm the best.

[00:40:26] I'm the best.

[00:40:27] I don't know about that.

[00:40:28] Hey, motherfuckers.

[00:40:29] I'm still God.

[00:40:32] The problem, though, is that...

[00:40:33] Did you know I'm God?

[00:40:34] He doesn't actually say that to anybody other than maybe the prophets according to the Bible.

[00:40:39] He's like, bro, bro, bro.

[00:40:41] Tell them I'm God.

[00:40:42] Right quick.

[00:40:43] Go over there and tell them I'm God.

[00:40:45] Oh, tell them I told them they suck, too.

[00:40:47] Yeah.

[00:40:47] Oh, wait.

[00:40:48] No.

[00:40:48] Tell them I love them, though.

[00:40:50] Yeah, but tell them I'm going to kill them, though.

[00:40:51] Hey, bro.

[00:40:52] Bro.

[00:40:53] Bro.

[00:40:55] Like, could you imagine?

[00:40:56] Like, okay, like when you're laying on the couch, right?

[00:40:59] And your cat comes up to you and it does that thing where it, like, taps at you.

[00:41:02] And it's like, hey, hey.

[00:41:04] Right.

[00:41:05] And you're like, do you want up here on the couch?

[00:41:07] Jump.

[00:41:08] Right.

[00:41:08] Get on the couch.

[00:41:09] Do something, man.

[00:41:10] Stop poking at me.

[00:41:11] But then you, like, try to accommodate them.

[00:41:12] And then the cat is like, the fuck are you?

[00:41:14] I didn't want you.

[00:41:15] Right.

[00:41:15] And it walks, like, just out of arm's reach and then sits down with its back.

[00:41:19] With its back to you.

[00:41:20] And its tail is not moving except for the very end twitches.

[00:41:24] Right.

[00:41:24] Which is its middle finger saying, oh, fuck you.

[00:41:26] Yeah.

[00:41:27] Yeah.

[00:41:27] Yeah.

[00:41:28] Yeah.

[00:41:28] That's what God is like.

[00:41:29] I made you get up to let me up and then I decided I didn't want it after all.

[00:41:32] Yeah.

[00:41:32] So.

[00:41:32] Because I'm God.

[00:41:33] Right.

[00:41:34] And you're a son of a bitch.

[00:41:35] I think cats are the closest thing to gods.

[00:41:37] Right?

[00:41:37] Because cats are sons of bitches.

[00:41:39] Yeah.

[00:41:40] But we do love them.

[00:41:40] If there was a living God, it would be a cat.

[00:41:42] It would.

[00:41:44] Yeah.

[00:41:44] I think the Egyptians had it right.

[00:41:45] You know?

[00:41:46] Right?

[00:41:47] I never put that together.

[00:41:48] But I think you might be on to something.

[00:41:50] They knew.

[00:41:50] They knew.

[00:41:51] They were like, these sons of bitches right here with their fucking adorable ears and whiskers.

[00:41:56] Oh, God.

[00:41:56] I love you.

[00:41:57] You son of a bitch.

[00:41:58] I hate you.

[00:41:59] I love you.

[00:41:59] They certainly embody the characteristics of the Christian God anyway.

[00:42:03] Yeah.

[00:42:04] Love, hate.

[00:42:04] Love, hate.

[00:42:04] The Jewish God.

[00:42:05] Hate, love.

[00:42:05] Hate, love.

[00:42:06] Yeah.

[00:42:07] Scoop my litter box, asshole.

[00:42:08] Mm-hmm.

[00:42:08] Mm-hmm.

[00:42:09] Yeah.

[00:42:10] Yeah.

[00:42:10] Oh, don't touch me there all of a sudden.

[00:42:12] You've been petting me there for 10 minutes, but I don't like it.

[00:42:14] Bye.

[00:42:15] Right.

[00:42:15] Yeah.

[00:42:16] And then they like.

[00:42:17] They do.

[00:42:18] They go out of the blue.

[00:42:18] Just decide to like, you know, scratch you up and destroy you.

[00:42:21] Yeah.

[00:42:21] For no reason.

[00:42:22] Right.

[00:42:22] Like, I was just purring on you so loud you could hear it across the room, but I.

[00:42:26] That's it.

[00:42:27] Cats are gods.

[00:42:29] Cats are Yahweh.

[00:42:32] Yahweh is a cat.

[00:42:34] Yeah.

[00:42:35] It's a fact.

[00:42:36] You heard it here first.

[00:42:36] Yeah.

[00:42:37] No, that's what it is.

[00:42:37] Well, no.

[00:42:38] The Egyptians heard it first.

[00:42:39] Well.

[00:42:39] But you heard it here second.

[00:42:40] Yeah.

[00:42:41] We're cat prophets.

[00:42:42] We are.

[00:42:44] We're cat whisperers.

[00:42:46] That's something.

[00:42:46] No, we're not.

[00:42:47] We have a cat.

[00:42:48] We have a cat.

[00:42:48] We love our cat.

[00:42:49] We do.

[00:42:49] It's not a god.

[00:42:50] Dagny is the best.

[00:42:51] I'm sorry.

[00:42:52] I'm sorry, Dagny.

[00:42:53] Yeah.

[00:42:53] You're not Yahweh.

[00:42:55] You're not a god.

[00:42:55] Because.

[00:42:56] You're as close to god as any animal can be.

[00:43:01] Because.

[00:43:01] You're as close to being a god as any animal can be.

[00:43:04] Because you're not quite asshole enough to be that kind of god, right?

[00:43:08] Yeah.

[00:43:08] I think that's an insult to cats.

[00:43:10] She is just a little bit too cute.

[00:43:11] I just talked myself right out of the thing I had talked myself into.

[00:43:15] Cats are not gods.

[00:43:15] Cats are not gods.

[00:43:16] No.

[00:43:17] No.

[00:43:17] Okay.

[00:43:17] Start over.

[00:43:18] Okay.

[00:43:18] I cared for you in the wilderness.

[00:43:20] Continued God.

[00:43:21] I remember how I'm always bragging about how awesome I am and how much you suck.

[00:43:25] Right.

[00:43:26] In the land.

[00:43:26] The caring for them in the wilderness thing, though, again, it's questionable.

[00:43:30] He did throw birds at them.

[00:43:31] We have very nice rose-tended glasses at this point.

[00:43:34] Don't we?

[00:43:34] With regard to how we see that whole trip through the quote-unquote wilderness.

[00:43:38] In the land of burning heat.

[00:43:40] It says that.

[00:43:41] Okay.

[00:43:42] Remember that time when I fried you all to hell?

[00:43:44] I cared.

[00:43:46] When I fed them, they were satisfied.

[00:43:49] Not that one time.

[00:43:50] Oh, I like how it goes from, I cared for you.

[00:43:53] And then it's like he's turning to somebody else and he's like, man, when I fed them.

[00:43:57] Right.

[00:43:58] You know what I mean?

[00:43:58] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:43:58] It's like he's talking to you, but then he turns to his buddy and he's like, man, those

[00:44:03] guys over there?

[00:44:04] Like, what?

[00:44:05] It's not great.

[00:44:07] It's not good writing.

[00:44:08] It's very confusing.

[00:44:08] But then again, we talked about cats and went straight back to God.

[00:44:11] So, I mean.

[00:44:12] But we're mere humans.

[00:44:13] That's true.

[00:44:14] We're expected to be fuck faces.

[00:44:16] Yes.

[00:44:17] I guess that is true.

[00:44:18] When I fed them, not you, them, they were satisfied.

[00:44:23] When they were satisfied, they became proud and then they forgot me because they're fuckers.

[00:44:28] They never knew you.

[00:44:30] I mean, seriously.

[00:44:31] I did throw birds at them.

[00:44:33] There's not been a one single time in this Bible thus far where I have ever known God

[00:44:38] to say, yeah, everything's good.

[00:44:40] They're pretty cool.

[00:44:41] They're on the right track right now.

[00:44:42] Yeah.

[00:44:43] Everything's going perfect.

[00:44:44] They only.

[00:44:45] Oh, you know what?

[00:44:46] It's like when it's like when you keep a diary, you only write in your diary when things

[00:44:51] are shitty.

[00:44:52] And that's why I don't keep a diary, because one time I was like a teenager when I had

[00:44:58] this realization.

[00:44:59] One time I was flipping through.

[00:45:01] I used to keep a diary when I was in high school.

[00:45:03] Sure.

[00:45:03] And then I was reading back through it and I realized if somebody found this, they would

[00:45:07] not know any of the good things because I don't write things down when I'm happy.

[00:45:11] I use this to like pour out my broken heart or my anger.

[00:45:16] Yeah.

[00:45:16] And they would be like, what a miserable bitch.

[00:45:19] Right.

[00:45:20] Man, no wonder she's dead.

[00:45:22] Good thing.

[00:45:23] Cool.

[00:45:24] Like seriously, like I write some dark shit.

[00:45:27] So I never kept a diary ever after that realization.

[00:45:30] I think that's that's that's good thinking.

[00:45:32] That's smart.

[00:45:33] I mean, because even when you're going back, you're you're only remembering the things that

[00:45:38] were crappy.

[00:45:38] Right.

[00:45:38] So all I could think is like at the time, like if my mom and dad found this and read

[00:45:42] this, that's how they would remember me as this terrible person with these terrible

[00:45:47] thoughts and feelings.

[00:45:48] And that is not who I am on a general basis.

[00:45:51] It's a lot like so, you know how people tend to and you and I try to rectify this, but

[00:45:56] it's a lot like when people only leave reviews for companies when they run into a shitty

[00:46:01] situation.

[00:46:02] Right.

[00:46:03] They only leave bad reviews.

[00:46:05] They only do one stars.

[00:46:06] Right.

[00:46:06] Yeah.

[00:46:07] But they never leave the five star review for the person that went out of their way for

[00:46:10] them.

[00:46:11] They never asked to speak to the manager to talk about how good they were treated by an

[00:46:15] employee.

[00:46:16] But we do.

[00:46:17] We do.

[00:46:18] Now, sometimes we forget and we get angry at ourselves for forgetting.

[00:46:21] Right.

[00:46:22] But but we try to recognize good behavior more than, you know, admonish bad behavior.

[00:46:28] Exactly.

[00:46:29] And I feel like that's an important thing to promote, because if you acknowledge someone's

[00:46:35] good behavior, you're promoting good behavior.

[00:46:38] Exactly.

[00:46:38] If you admonish someone for bad behavior, you're really just pissing them off more, you

[00:46:44] know, and it doesn't it doesn't reinforce anything.

[00:46:46] It just gets somebody mad at you or fired or whatever.

[00:46:51] So I am.

[00:46:52] I am going to say, though, one time there was a girl at Taco Bell and it was the one in

[00:47:00] Miamisburg, if you have to know.

[00:47:01] And I'm just saying I don't go leaving a bunch of bad reviews for them.

[00:47:05] No, no, no, no.

[00:47:06] Because this was like 15 years ago.

[00:47:08] And so staff has changed.

[00:47:10] Since you said a specific location.

[00:47:12] No, I know.

[00:47:13] This is before debit cards were used.

[00:47:16] OK.

[00:47:16] OK.

[00:47:16] So we're talking like owners probably changed at this point, much less management and staff.

[00:47:21] You're talking about the one in West Carroll that doesn't even exist anymore.

[00:47:25] Um, because no, Miamisburg.

[00:47:28] You don't know what I'm talking about.

[00:47:29] They don't take credit cards.

[00:47:31] But that's not the story I'm telling.

[00:47:32] Oh, yeah.

[00:47:33] OK.

[00:47:34] Yeah.

[00:47:34] All right.

[00:47:49] Sure.

[00:47:50] So I was not that if you wear blue lipstick, you're a freak.

[00:47:53] I just felt like being fun and colorful that day.

[00:47:56] Got it.

[00:47:57] So anyway, I was with my mom and my sister and I was like being goofy as I am and just

[00:48:03] being fun and silly and blah, blah, blah.

[00:48:05] And the cashier girl kept looking at me like you're an idiot.

[00:48:10] And then so finally I like called her out.

[00:48:13] I was like, are you OK?

[00:48:15] And she goes, she goes, what are you for?

[00:48:19] Oh, my God.

[00:48:20] Yeah.

[00:48:20] Because I was being silly.

[00:48:22] Right.

[00:48:22] And because I.

[00:48:22] Yeah.

[00:48:23] And I said, excuse you.

[00:48:25] And she was like, you're just like really immature.

[00:48:29] And I was like, let me show you how immature I am.

[00:48:32] Let's go outside.

[00:48:33] And she was like, I know.

[00:48:35] And she was like, I'm at work.

[00:48:37] And I was like, that's very much of you.

[00:48:40] I can't wait to grow up and be just like you and work at Taco Bell.

[00:48:46] And anyway, so then my mom was like, stop.

[00:48:50] I'm like, stop.

[00:48:52] You mean stop.

[00:48:54] And I was like, I'm not going to let no bitch talk to me like that.

[00:48:56] I'm sorry.

[00:48:58] No, I'm out just living my best life and having fun.

[00:49:01] Right.

[00:49:02] And this woman, teenager girl.

[00:49:05] Right.

[00:49:05] Teenager.

[00:49:06] It was either like late teens, early 20s kind of thing.

[00:49:09] And I was in my like mid to late 20s.

[00:49:12] Got it.

[00:49:12] So I'm like, fuck you.

[00:49:14] Like, fuck you all the way to Mars and back.

[00:49:17] Don't on purpose pee on my fun.

[00:49:21] That's just rude.

[00:49:22] Right.

[00:49:22] Right.

[00:49:22] So anyway, so then later on, after we had, you know, got our order and whatever, and

[00:49:27] then I was outside.

[00:49:28] Yeah.

[00:49:28] She came outside to like smoke or whatever.

[00:49:31] And so then I was like, I see her outside.

[00:49:33] You ready to have that chat?

[00:49:37] Like what?

[00:49:38] I was going to fight her.

[00:49:39] I don't know.

[00:49:39] But my mouth was like.

[00:49:41] Oh, my gosh.

[00:49:41] Because all I could think was, how dare.

[00:49:43] Right.

[00:49:44] Like, you are a minimum wage worker, ma'am.

[00:49:46] You have no business.

[00:49:48] Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[00:49:49] I work minimum wage jobs.

[00:49:51] I have no problem with that.

[00:49:53] I was just making sure we were clear.

[00:49:55] Yeah.

[00:49:56] No, but I'm just like, you're not better than me.

[00:49:58] Right.

[00:49:59] Is where I was going with that.

[00:50:01] Okay.

[00:50:01] You know, you're not better than I am.

[00:50:04] Not that even if you were a doctor, you're better than I am.

[00:50:06] Right.

[00:50:07] But if you're going to act like you're better than I am, don't be a minimum wage worker

[00:50:11] at Taco Bell acting like you're better than me.

[00:50:13] Okay.

[00:50:14] Because I too have been a minimum wage worker at a fast food place.

[00:50:17] Nice.

[00:50:18] You're not better than me.

[00:50:19] Okay?

[00:50:20] Okay.

[00:50:21] Okay.

[00:50:22] Like, you keep giving me looks like, are you sure that this is what you want to say?

[00:50:27] I just.

[00:50:28] Okay.

[00:50:29] White wife is a little ramped up tonight a little bit.

[00:50:32] I took my admiral a little late in the evening.

[00:50:35] So she's, she's, she's got a lot of.

[00:50:37] Angst.

[00:50:38] Built up energy.

[00:50:40] Yeah.

[00:50:40] Yeah.

[00:50:40] Yeah.

[00:50:41] Also, I didn't see you like all day.

[00:50:43] Yeah.

[00:50:43] Because I stayed at my parents' house last night so that they could take me to the doctor

[00:50:46] this morning to get my stitches out.

[00:50:48] Right.

[00:50:48] So that happened.

[00:50:49] Yes.

[00:50:49] Okay.

[00:50:50] So anyway, I did not get into a fight.

[00:50:52] That's good.

[00:50:53] With the Taco Bell.

[00:50:54] I'm glad to hear that.

[00:50:55] I'm glad to hear that.

[00:50:56] Yeah.

[00:50:56] I was just like, you know what?

[00:50:58] You have a nice fucking day because you need one.

[00:51:01] Right.

[00:51:02] And then we left.

[00:51:03] And my sister was like, you were rude.

[00:51:06] And I was like, she would, she ain't darned it.

[00:51:11] Well, she did.

[00:51:12] But anyways.

[00:51:13] Okay.

[00:51:13] So I will be like a lion to them.

[00:51:15] See?

[00:51:16] God gets it.

[00:51:17] I don't even know where we are at this point.

[00:51:19] Ephraim was a son of a bitch.

[00:51:20] Okay.

[00:51:20] Loved him, hated him.

[00:51:22] You know?

[00:51:22] Got it.

[00:51:22] Yeah, yeah.

[00:51:23] And then they forgot me.

[00:51:24] They got proud and then they forgot me.

[00:51:25] Uh-huh.

[00:51:26] So I will be like a lion to those assholes.

[00:51:28] Like a leopard, I will lark by the path.

[00:51:32] Okay.

[00:51:33] I'm a lurking leopard like a lion.

[00:51:38] Like a light in the, okay.

[00:51:42] Like a bear robbed of her cubs, I will attack them and rip them open.

[00:51:47] Oh, damn.

[00:51:48] Geez, that escalated quickly.

[00:51:49] Yeah, not good.

[00:51:50] Like a lion again, I will devour them.

[00:51:53] A wild animal will tear them apart.

[00:51:56] So, yeah.

[00:51:57] Not good.

[00:51:57] Wow.

[00:51:58] Not good.

[00:51:58] I am going to eviscerate those sons of bitches.

[00:52:01] Like, okay.

[00:52:02] Yeah.

[00:52:02] That is way more than I was going to give that cashier, just so we're clear.

[00:52:07] Right, right.

[00:52:07] I was not going to eviscerate her.

[00:52:10] Right.

[00:52:10] You are destroyed, Israel, because you are against me, against your helper.

[00:52:15] Where is your king that he may save you?

[00:52:18] Remember how y'all had to have kings?

[00:52:20] Where you're king now, bitch?

[00:52:22] That's what he's saying.

[00:52:23] Yeah.

[00:52:23] He's getting, God is uppity in this chapter.

[00:52:26] Well, somebody is.

[00:52:28] He's feeling it.

[00:52:28] I'm thinking the writer, Hosea maybe, whoever.

[00:52:31] Right.

[00:52:32] Is a little bit that way.

[00:52:33] They're like, where's your king now?

[00:52:34] Yeah.

[00:52:35] Where are your rulers in all your towns of whom you said, give me a king and princess?

[00:52:41] Hmm?

[00:52:42] Did they die?

[00:52:43] Did something happen to them?

[00:52:44] I don't know.

[00:52:44] They're not helping you.

[00:52:46] Like, remember during Hosea, they kept dying.

[00:52:48] Yeah.

[00:52:48] They kept getting assassinated.

[00:52:49] Right, right, right.

[00:52:50] And so he's like, where are they at?

[00:52:52] Okay.

[00:52:52] What's up?

[00:52:53] You guys wanted.

[00:52:53] So this is hypothetically probably during that same time period?

[00:52:55] Yeah.

[00:52:56] Yeah.

[00:52:56] Okay.

[00:52:56] That this was during Hosea's reign.

[00:52:59] Right.

[00:53:00] Not reign.

[00:53:01] Time period.

[00:53:02] Prophecy.

[00:53:02] Prophecy life.

[00:53:03] Seasons.

[00:53:04] Times.

[00:53:04] Times.

[00:53:04] Things.

[00:53:06] His lifetime.

[00:53:07] Yeah.

[00:53:07] Yeah.

[00:53:08] So in my anger, meet God, I gave you a fucking king.

[00:53:12] You wanted a king?

[00:53:13] I gave you a king.

[00:53:14] And in my wrath, I took him away.

[00:53:17] Four times.

[00:53:18] Yeah.

[00:53:19] The guilt of Ephraim is stored up.

[00:53:21] His sins are kept on record.

[00:53:23] I wrote that shit down.

[00:53:25] Is it down that book of life thing or whatever?

[00:53:26] Yeah.

[00:53:26] Yeah.

[00:53:27] He's like, I wrote that shit down.

[00:53:28] I got receipts.

[00:53:29] Got it.

[00:53:29] Boom.

[00:53:30] Yeah.

[00:53:31] Pains as of a woman in childbirth.

[00:53:34] Here we go again.

[00:53:35] They did that a lot.

[00:53:36] Remember?

[00:53:37] Oh, yeah.

[00:53:37] In the early parts of the Bible?

[00:53:39] Yeah.

[00:53:39] The only pain that we can imagine is women in childbirth.

[00:53:43] Right.

[00:53:43] And we're going to use it.

[00:53:45] It's the only pain we know.

[00:53:46] They've used it pretty consistently throughout the Bible so far.

[00:53:48] So far.

[00:53:48] I hate it.

[00:53:49] Yeah.

[00:53:49] I hate it.

[00:53:50] Like, you don't know.

[00:53:51] Right.

[00:53:51] And-

[00:53:52] Yeah, especially since there's men writing it.

[00:53:53] That's what I'm saying.

[00:53:54] You don't know and you shun women.

[00:53:57] So fuck the fuck off with that comparison, honestly.

[00:54:00] Don't act like you know what that is.

[00:54:03] Right.

[00:54:03] You know?

[00:54:04] This thing that I imagine hurts a lot, that's what it's like.

[00:54:07] Mm-hmm.

[00:54:08] Is it?

[00:54:09] But he is a child without wisdom.

[00:54:11] Womp womp.

[00:54:12] When the time arrives, he doesn't have the sense to come out of the womb.

[00:54:17] That baby be stuck in there.

[00:54:19] It just stays there.

[00:54:21] I don't think that's how that works exactly.

[00:54:23] My mom swears that she was pregnant with me for 11 months.

[00:54:27] Hmm.

[00:54:28] And like most of my life, I was like, that has to be such bullshit.

[00:54:31] But then I thought about it.

[00:54:32] A woman is pregnant.

[00:54:33] We say nine months, but then we also say 40 weeks.

[00:54:39] Right?

[00:54:39] Okay.

[00:54:39] 40 weeks is actually closer to 10 months than nine months.

[00:54:43] Really?

[00:54:44] So, yeah.

[00:54:44] Huh.

[00:54:45] So that would mean really that she was just like maybe three to four weeks overdue.

[00:54:51] And it's not until like six weeks overdue that it starts being like a toxic fucking problem.

[00:54:56] Really?

[00:54:57] Yeah.

[00:54:57] I didn't know that.

[00:54:58] Yeah.

[00:54:58] So I was like, I only realized this.

[00:55:00] Like I only sat down to do the math, like to really figure this shit.

[00:55:04] Could my mom really have carried me for fucking 11 months?

[00:55:07] Right.

[00:55:07] Right.

[00:55:08] Bullshit.

[00:55:08] Right?

[00:55:09] I was like, I got to prove her wrong.

[00:55:11] That cannot possibly be true.

[00:55:13] But no, it could kind of almost be true.

[00:55:16] The way the math works, it could actually have happened because 40 weeks is not nine months.

[00:55:21] Got it.

[00:55:22] Okay.

[00:55:22] Yeah.

[00:55:23] So that's the way that goes.

[00:55:24] Interesting.

[00:55:24] Yeah.

[00:55:25] And that's why when you ask a woman, how far along are you?

[00:55:29] That's why she tells you in weeks.

[00:55:31] Got it.

[00:55:32] Yeah.

[00:55:32] And then you got to do the fucking, I don't know what, what do you mean?

[00:55:35] Five weeks.

[00:55:36] What the fuck does that mean?

[00:55:37] 13 weeks.

[00:55:38] What is math?

[00:55:39] Fuck math.

[00:55:40] Right.

[00:55:41] Anyways.

[00:55:42] I thought we liked math.

[00:55:43] I mean, but when it's in my head and I got to figure out how far along you are in your

[00:55:50] pregnancy or, or like when you ask a mother, how old is your baby?

[00:55:55] And they're like 15 months.

[00:55:57] What does that even mean?

[00:55:58] 15 months.

[00:55:59] That's over a year.

[00:56:01] A year is 12.

[00:56:02] Just say a little bit over.

[00:56:04] We don't really care to the exact degree of month hood.

[00:56:07] Just say a bit over a year.

[00:56:09] I have two kids.

[00:56:10] I love kids.

[00:56:11] I have lots of nieces and nephews.

[00:56:13] I love babies.

[00:56:14] Yeah.

[00:56:14] But I'm saying this on behalf of people who either haven't had children, don't want children

[00:56:21] or have never been around children.

[00:56:23] Nobody gives a fuck how far many months exactly to the date when they say how far along or how

[00:56:32] old is your child?

[00:56:33] Honestly.

[00:56:34] Right.

[00:56:35] They just sum it up.

[00:56:36] Give me the roundabout.

[00:56:38] Like, I'm about halfway there.

[00:56:40] You know, I'm half cooked.

[00:56:41] Sure.

[00:56:42] Baby's coming along nicely.

[00:56:43] Oh, good, good, good.

[00:56:44] That's what we really want to know.

[00:56:45] How are you?

[00:56:46] I'm fine.

[00:56:47] Thank you.

[00:56:47] How are you?

[00:56:48] Like, we don't really want to know how, how you are.

[00:56:50] Right.

[00:56:51] Like, don't tell me how you're doing.

[00:56:52] Sure.

[00:56:52] I don't really want to fucking know.

[00:56:54] Yeah.

[00:56:54] Hey, these are generic questions.

[00:56:56] Give me the generic answer.

[00:56:57] Right.

[00:56:58] This is why I don't do small talk, too, though.

[00:57:00] I, God, will deliver this people from the power of the grave.

[00:57:05] Damn.

[00:57:06] I will redeem them from death.

[00:57:08] Oh.

[00:57:09] The long death.

[00:57:10] The ever after death.

[00:57:12] The Ephraim people.

[00:57:13] Yeah.

[00:57:14] The spiritual death.

[00:57:16] You know what I mean?

[00:57:16] So he's going to kill them, but then he's going to save them?

[00:57:19] Yeah.

[00:57:20] Okay.

[00:57:20] Yeah.

[00:57:21] He's going to save their souls.

[00:57:22] Who will save your soul?

[00:57:24] Why?

[00:57:25] I don't understand.

[00:57:26] There is fucking people and he loves, hates them.

[00:57:28] Okay.

[00:57:29] He hates to love them.

[00:57:30] He loves to hate them.

[00:57:31] I don't, I don't, I don't get it.

[00:57:32] Okay.

[00:57:33] Where, oh, death are your plagues?

[00:57:35] Where, oh, grave is your destruction?

[00:57:39] I will have no compassion.

[00:57:41] What?

[00:57:42] What?

[00:57:42] You were just going to save them.

[00:57:44] Now you hate them.

[00:57:45] Oh, my God.

[00:57:46] Within the same two sentences.

[00:57:47] Yeah.

[00:57:48] Even though he thrives among his brothers, an east wind from the Lord will come.

[00:57:54] Okay.

[00:57:54] Blowing in from the desert.

[00:57:55] Right.

[00:57:56] His spring will fail and his well dry up.

[00:58:00] Okay.

[00:58:01] His storehouse will be plundered of all its treasures.

[00:58:03] I see.

[00:58:04] The people of Samaria must bear their guilt because they have rebelled against their God.

[00:58:09] They were not good Samaritans.

[00:58:11] They were.

[00:58:14] That was so good.

[00:58:17] Oh, my gosh.

[00:58:18] That reminds me of, we were watching Deep Space Nine.

[00:58:23] And Worf is married to, what's her name?

[00:58:27] Oh, yeah.

[00:58:27] Jed Zia Dax.

[00:58:28] Yeah, yeah.

[00:58:28] And then, like, I don't know.

[00:58:31] He had to save his wife from something, whatever, blah, blah, blah.

[00:58:33] Who cares?

[00:58:34] Right, right.

[00:58:34] And then his friend was asking him, like, why did you go do that?

[00:58:38] You know, that wasn't your duty and you had other things to do.

[00:58:42] And he goes, I'm a married man.

[00:58:44] And it just reminded me of that one episode back in, you know, the next generation.

[00:58:52] When he goes, I am not a married man.

[00:58:54] I am not a married man.

[00:58:56] That's what I said.

[00:58:56] I'm not a married man.

[00:58:57] Married man.

[00:58:58] I'm not a married man.

[00:58:59] Right.

[00:58:59] And so, like, when he, you know, told his friend, I am a married man, I turned to you and I said, but he's not a married man.

[00:59:06] Right.

[00:59:06] And then you laughed and it was great.

[00:59:07] I did.

[00:59:08] Yeah.

[00:59:08] Okay.

[00:59:09] Anyway, so Samaritan.

[00:59:11] Yes.

[00:59:11] Samaria.

[00:59:12] Samaria.

[00:59:12] The people of Samaria must bear their guilt, those fuckers, because they have rebelled against their God.

[00:59:18] They will fall by the sword.

[00:59:20] Their little ones will be dashed to the ground.

[00:59:23] Jesus.

[00:59:23] Their pregnant women ripped open the end.

[00:59:26] Oh, my God.

[00:59:27] I needed a trigger warning for that.

[00:59:30] Thank you, God.

[00:59:31] What?

[00:59:31] Appreciate ya.

[00:59:32] Wait a f-

[00:59:32] Wow.

[00:59:33] That's the end of that chapter.

[00:59:35] Yeah.

[00:59:36] Aren't you glad I told a lot of fun stuff before we got there?

[00:59:39] Honestly.

[00:59:40] Honestly.

[00:59:42] Like, I didn't know that's how it was going to end, but I'm actually really glad that I entertained along the way because that did not end well.

[00:59:49] Did not.

[00:59:49] Nope.

[00:59:50] No.

[00:59:50] I, again, I just had somebody today on Twitter tell me how I just don't understand how loving this God is.

[01:00:00] I don't understand how loving this God is when I read shit like this.

[01:00:04] Right.

[01:00:04] And, oh, oh, it was, it was more than that.

[01:00:07] It's that I can't understand how loving this God is, and I won't understand unless I love this God.

[01:00:13] That was essentially the message.

[01:00:14] You gotta love him.

[01:00:15] I have to love the God in order to understand how much love he has.

[01:00:19] Yeah.

[01:00:19] And I'm like, but did you, have you read, what, the word, there's words, the words are bad.

[01:00:25] Yeah.

[01:00:25] He fucking kills babies and rips open pregnant women.

[01:00:29] So he's like, die, bitch.

[01:00:31] Right.

[01:00:32] Like, not okay.

[01:00:32] And they're like New Testament, and I'm like, fuck you.

[01:00:35] I'm not there yet.

[01:00:36] It doesn't, I don't care if I'm there yet or not.

[01:00:39] Yeah.

[01:00:39] It's the same God.

[01:00:41] Fuck you.

[01:00:41] It's the same God.

[01:00:42] Like, this is some bullshit.

[01:00:43] Yeah.

[01:00:43] This is not okay.

[01:00:45] It's not okay.

[01:00:45] We teach our kids, don't eviscerate people.

[01:00:49] You know?

[01:00:49] It's fine for God, but not for three-year-olds.

[01:00:53] Right?

[01:00:54] Like, no, you cannot play with a fork and stab your brother with them.

[01:00:59] But God did it, Mom.

[01:01:00] I know, but you are not a God.

[01:01:02] Yeah.

[01:01:04] That was actually really funny.

[01:01:05] Yeah, yeah.

[01:01:06] You are not a God.

[01:01:08] God.

[01:01:09] Oh.

[01:01:09] That's from Young Guns, FYI.

[01:01:12] Okay.

[01:01:12] And then the response is.

[01:01:14] But you have to say you are a God because of Ghostbusters, though.

[01:01:17] I know.

[01:01:18] Yeah.

[01:01:18] But then he turns and he says, why don't you pull the trigger and find out?

[01:01:22] Right.

[01:01:22] That is a good line.

[01:01:23] That was the best line in the whole fucking movie.

[01:01:25] It is a good line.

[01:01:25] And then it goes into a Bon Jovi song.

[01:01:27] Yeah.

[01:01:28] Oh, man.

[01:01:29] That was epic.

[01:01:30] That was.

[01:01:31] I mean, as far as lines go and song, you know, just the whole thing.

[01:01:35] Yeah.

[01:01:36] Yeah.

[01:01:36] Good stuff.

[01:01:37] All right.

[01:01:37] I think we have gone on.

[01:01:39] We have.

[01:01:40] With this.

[01:01:41] We have.

[01:01:41] So this was Hosea chapter 13.

[01:01:45] Sure as fuck was.

[01:01:46] And actually tomorrow we will be back with.

[01:01:50] It's actually going to be a Patreon only.

[01:01:52] Yeah.

[01:01:53] So tomorrow we'll be doing our.

[01:01:55] Our live.

[01:01:56] Our Patreon.

[01:01:57] Which will also be a live.

[01:01:59] Yeah.

[01:01:59] So if.

[01:02:01] I say tomorrow.

[01:02:02] But actually when you guys get this.

[01:02:04] If you're listening to this in the morning when it comes out.

[01:02:07] It will be tonight.

[01:02:08] So basically it's Wednesday fuckers.

[01:02:10] Yeah.

[01:02:10] Wednesday.

[01:02:11] 10 p.m.

[01:02:12] Eastern.

[01:02:12] Yeah.

[01:02:12] Get on discord and come listen to us.

[01:02:15] Yes.

[01:02:16] And chat with us and be with us.

[01:02:17] Right.

[01:02:19] And.

[01:02:20] Well.

[01:02:21] It's the only.

[01:02:21] If you're not a patron.

[01:02:22] Which you can be a patron.

[01:02:24] Mm-hmm.

[01:02:24] And that helps us out tremendously.

[01:02:25] Mm-hmm.

[01:02:26] So two bucks a month.

[01:02:27] Gets you unlimited access to all of our episodes.

[01:02:30] Mm-hmm.

[01:02:30] Early and ad free.

[01:02:32] Mm-hmm.

[01:02:32] And you get our special episodes.

[01:02:33] Yep.

[01:02:34] Right.

[01:02:34] Yep.

[01:02:34] So you can do that.

[01:02:35] Or if you don't want to pay us shit.

[01:02:37] We get it.

[01:02:38] But you can come to our discord.

[01:02:40] Yeah.

[01:02:40] And chat and hang out.

[01:02:41] Yeah.

[01:02:41] And we love that as much.

[01:02:43] Mm-hmm.

[01:02:43] Mm-hmm.

[01:02:43] You could do both.

[01:02:45] Yeah.

[01:02:45] You could do all of the above.

[01:02:47] And some people do.

[01:02:48] And you could do none of the above.

[01:02:50] Right.

[01:02:50] But we don't like that one as much.

[01:02:51] So you should do all of the above.

[01:02:54] And at least half the above.

[01:02:56] Because we care about you.

[01:02:58] Yeah.

[01:02:59] And we want you to be happy.

[01:03:00] No.

[01:03:01] I just want to chat with more people.

[01:03:02] I know.

[01:03:02] I like them.

[01:03:03] It's fun.

[01:03:03] Our fans are good people.

[01:03:04] They're so fun.

[01:03:06] Yeah.

[01:03:06] And.

[01:03:07] We have a blast on the discord.

[01:03:08] And we make fun of each other.

[01:03:10] And that's the best.

[01:03:11] Yeah.

[01:03:12] Honestly.

[01:03:12] It's good times.

[01:03:13] It's like.

[01:03:13] It's like how me and husband talk to each other.

[01:03:15] When we're like teasing each other.

[01:03:17] Or when like.

[01:03:18] I'm being an idiot.

[01:03:19] And husband is like.

[01:03:19] You need to stop.

[01:03:21] Which was most of this episode.

[01:03:22] Yes.

[01:03:23] But it's like that.

[01:03:24] The whole time.

[01:03:25] Right.

[01:03:26] And it's awesome.

[01:03:27] It is awesome.

[01:03:28] You should come do it.

[01:03:29] And you should really come experience it.

[01:03:30] Because it's fun.

[01:03:30] Otherwise you can just wait.

[01:03:32] Yeah.

[01:03:33] It's out on Patreon.

[01:03:34] And pay for it.

[01:03:36] Or.

[01:03:36] Or you could not pay for it.

[01:03:37] And not hear it.

[01:03:38] Right.

[01:03:38] Those are your options.

[01:03:42] Anyway.

[01:03:43] This was Hosea chapter 13.

[01:03:45] Uh huh.

[01:03:45] We'll be back tomorrow.

[01:03:46] With the Patreon episode.

[01:03:47] And then we'll be back.

[01:03:47] On Friday.

[01:03:50] With the.

[01:03:51] Um.

[01:03:52] With what?

[01:03:53] Hosea chapter 14.

[01:03:55] Which is.

[01:03:56] The last chapter of Hosea bitches.

[01:03:58] There you go.

[01:03:59] All right.

[01:04:00] Well we'll see you guys then.

[01:04:01] Bye.

[01:04:02] Bye.

[01:04:07] All right.

[01:04:07] So we are in our special Patreon.

[01:04:10] That's right.

[01:04:10] Yeah.

[01:04:11] And we are doing.

[01:04:13] I don't know what you're going to call this one.

[01:04:15] I wasn't sure either.

[01:04:15] I just put a kind of a placeholder name.

[01:04:17] So.

[01:04:18] So here's the title that I have in my document that I'm referencing.

[01:04:21] Oh okay.

[01:04:21] All right.

[01:04:22] Intersex.

[01:04:22] Trans.

[01:04:23] Are they the same?

[01:04:24] Different?

[01:04:24] Why it matters.

[01:04:25] And it really depends whom you ask.

[01:04:27] Jesus.

[01:04:27] That is a long fucking title.

[01:04:28] I know.

[01:04:29] I know.

[01:04:30] I know.

[01:04:30] That is not SEO friendly.

[01:04:31] That is not friendly.

[01:04:32] It is not.

[01:04:33] Like that wasn't even fit like in a social media post.

[01:04:36] No.

[01:04:36] Like that's too many characters.

[01:04:37] But it fit on my document.

[01:04:39] And it made me happy.

[01:04:40] Yeah.

[01:04:41] Yeah.

[01:04:41] As long as it makes you happy.

[01:04:42] Everything.

[01:04:43] That's all that really matters.

[01:04:44] At this point in my life I only do things that make me happy.

[01:04:47] Well.

[01:04:47] I mean that's debatable based on the last couple of weeks.

[01:04:50] Okay.

[01:04:51] Yes.

[01:04:52] But that happened to me.

[01:04:54] Did I do it?

[01:04:55] Oh yeah.

[01:04:55] It happened to me.

[01:04:56] All right.

[01:04:56] Okay.

[01:04:56] Okay.

[01:04:57] So here's the story.

[01:04:58] Okay.

[01:04:59] So your mom.

[01:05:00] That's how it starts.

[01:05:01] Your mother.

[01:05:01] My mom.

[01:05:02] Yeah.

[01:05:02] Your mom whom I love and adore actually.

[01:05:07] She sends me.

[01:05:08] I don't know what they're called on Facebook.

[01:05:11] Like on YouTube they're called shorts.

[01:05:13] Oh sure.

[01:05:14] Just call them shorts.

[01:05:15] Shorts.

[01:05:16] Whatever they're called.

[01:05:18] Short form video.

[01:05:19] Yeah.

[01:05:19] Short form video.

[01:05:20] Is the.

[01:05:21] Right.

[01:05:21] But these are the ones specifically from Facebook.

[01:05:24] Sure.

[01:05:24] Okay.

[01:05:25] Yeah.

[01:05:25] And I have been grounded by you with my permission from Facebook.

[01:05:30] Yeah.

[01:05:30] For literal years now.

[01:05:32] Oh yeah.

[01:05:33] Because I have a problem.

[01:05:35] It's a fucking train wreck watching you.

[01:05:36] I cannot.

[01:05:38] Do Facebook.

[01:05:38] No.

[01:05:39] It's not because I'm incapable.

[01:05:41] Like I'm not.

[01:05:41] No.

[01:05:42] Yeah.

[01:05:42] No.

[01:05:42] It's not.

[01:05:42] I'm not social media impaired.

[01:05:44] I have an emotional problem where I cannot disengage or disallow myself from becoming overly intensely involved.

[01:05:55] Yeah.

[01:05:56] And it impacts my life.

[01:05:59] My mental health.

[01:05:59] My life.

[01:06:01] I stay up all night.

[01:06:02] Yeah.

[01:06:03] I engage in arguments.

[01:06:05] I post rants.

[01:06:06] And then it starts to.

[01:06:07] You stay angry throughout the rest of the day.

[01:06:09] Yes.

[01:06:09] I stay constantly angry.

[01:06:10] Like it started affecting our relationship at one point.

[01:06:13] Yeah.

[01:06:13] Years ago.

[01:06:13] No.

[01:06:14] Years ago.

[01:06:14] Years ago.

[01:06:14] Yeah.

[01:06:15] Yeah.

[01:06:15] But like it had to end.

[01:06:17] Yeah.

[01:06:17] Like you had to stop.

[01:06:18] Right.

[01:06:19] So I always describe it as an alcoholic walking into a bar.

[01:06:26] Yeah.

[01:06:26] And being expected not to drink.

[01:06:29] No.

[01:06:29] That's exactly what it was with you.

[01:06:31] Yeah.

[01:06:31] And so.

[01:06:32] You couldn't stop.

[01:06:33] I try.

[01:06:33] I have tried very hard to stay off of Facebook.

[01:06:36] Yeah.

[01:06:36] And I was really appreciative when Facebook brought the messenger app where you could talk to people.

[01:06:43] You could chat with them through a separate app.

[01:06:45] You don't have to chat with them.

[01:06:47] Right.

[01:06:47] Specifically in Facebook now.

[01:06:49] To be fair.

[01:06:49] I don't think it's just Facebook.

[01:06:50] I think it's social media in general.

[01:06:52] It is because I got that way with Twitter briefly.

[01:06:55] And then he sold it to Elon.

[01:06:56] And I was like oh thank God it sucks now.

[01:06:59] And so I was able to wean myself off of that fairly easily.

[01:07:03] Right.

[01:07:03] But during the Black Lives Matter marches and the stuff in Portland, Oregon.

[01:07:08] I was like up all night following that on Twitter.

[01:07:12] Yeah.

[01:07:13] Like I just have a social media problem.

[01:07:15] Like I cannot separate myself from what's happening in the world.

[01:07:18] Right.

[01:07:19] Whether it's people I know or a problem.

[01:07:21] You are a very empathetic person.

[01:07:23] Yeah.

[01:07:23] And when you see an injustice or you see something happening you get emotionally involved in it.

[01:07:30] Yes.

[01:07:30] Right then and there.

[01:07:31] Yes.

[01:07:31] And then you continue down that path until it resolves.

[01:07:36] Which unfortunately for you.

[01:07:38] Right.

[01:07:38] They never resolve.

[01:07:39] Well and also part of the autism thing that I have come to realize very much defines me.

[01:07:50] Yeah.

[01:07:50] As an adult is having a quote unquote special interest that you really focus on.

[01:07:57] And so when I am engaged emotionally in a particular social media event, problem, person, whatever.

[01:08:07] Yeah.

[01:08:08] That becomes my sole focus.

[01:08:11] My special interest is that thing.

[01:08:14] Right.

[01:08:15] And I have to be drawn away from it.

[01:08:17] Yeah.

[01:08:18] So all of that to say I don't mean to go to Facebook but your mom sends me these shorts.

[01:08:25] Yeah.

[01:08:26] Via text that then open up Facebook.

[01:08:30] Right.

[01:08:31] So and they're usually like really cute shorts whatever.

[01:08:35] Sure.

[01:08:35] But every once in a while now because my Facebook is open I'll just scroll through my feed and just catch up.

[01:08:41] And usually I only check to see what my best friend is doing.

[01:08:46] See pictures of her little family and maybe a couple other people.

[01:08:50] Right.

[01:08:50] Well on this particular occasion I tripped over a curb so to speak.

[01:08:56] Bum bum bum.

[01:08:57] Yeah.

[01:08:58] Yeah.

[01:08:58] A writerly friend of mine whom I know from a different incident that I was involved in.

[01:09:04] Which I will only say.

[01:09:06] That should be a story at some other point.

[01:09:08] Yeah.

[01:09:08] That was an interesting story actually.

[01:09:09] I'm still known to this day by some convention route people as chainmail girl.

[01:09:16] Yeah.

[01:09:17] So.

[01:09:17] Yeah.

[01:09:18] Wife shut down a convention.

[01:09:20] I won't say I shut it.

[01:09:21] It was already on its way down.

[01:09:23] Definitely.

[01:09:23] I was the nail in the coffin.

[01:09:25] Yeah.

[01:09:25] Yeah.

[01:09:26] Chainmail girl.

[01:09:26] Hold that in your head for a later episode.

[01:09:29] Yeah.

[01:09:29] Yeah.

[01:09:29] Yeah.

[01:09:30] But anyway.

[01:09:31] So this guy he's really awesome.

[01:09:35] He's an ally to every group that is oppressed and needs representation.

[01:09:41] He's a voice for feminists.

[01:09:44] He's a voice for Black Lives Matter.

[01:09:46] He's a voice for the LGBTQ community.

[01:09:48] Like I totally adore him.

[01:09:49] Yeah.

[01:09:50] How I met him was that he stood up for me during the chainmail girl incident.

[01:09:54] Yeah.

[01:09:55] And just he's a wonderful human being.

[01:09:57] Never met him in person.

[01:09:59] Right.

[01:09:59] And I know exactly who you're talking about.

[01:10:01] Yeah.

[01:10:02] And there was a lot of like at the time you were running a and I was helping you run that.

[01:10:08] But it was our last.

[01:10:10] It was our first venture into social media.

[01:10:13] Yeah.

[01:10:13] I was running a blog.

[01:10:14] I was running a blog.

[01:10:15] Yeah.

[01:10:15] And you caught a lot of positive and also a lot of flack for something you wrote.

[01:10:22] Yeah.

[01:10:23] Which was just a story about what happened at this convention.

[01:10:26] That I didn't even know was a story.

[01:10:27] And this guy was fantastic.

[01:10:28] Yes.

[01:10:29] And anyway.

[01:10:30] We'll leave it at that for now.

[01:10:32] Yeah.

[01:10:32] That's all I'm trying to say.

[01:10:33] Right.

[01:10:33] Yeah.

[01:10:34] Yeah.

[01:10:34] So he was having a conversation on Facebook that I had no right to see.

[01:10:40] But it's your mom's fault that I saw it, husband.

[01:10:42] Right.

[01:10:43] With a trans person.

[01:10:45] Yeah.

[01:10:45] And it just opened this whole interesting conversation that I just really wanted to talk about.

[01:10:52] Yeah.

[01:10:53] But in order to do that, I have to explain the situation some.

[01:10:57] Sure.

[01:10:57] And the best way to do that really is to just read you part of it.

[01:11:01] Okay.

[01:11:01] So here's what he posted on Facebook.

[01:11:05] Okay.

[01:11:05] Read the text.

[01:11:06] High school biology was the simplified version.

[01:11:09] Okay.

[01:11:09] And then that's what he wrote and then follows is a post about biological sex written by a

[01:11:18] person who is a biologist and an assistant professor at the University of North Carolina

[01:11:26] in Asheville.

[01:11:27] Sure.

[01:11:27] Okay.

[01:11:28] So here's what she.

[01:11:29] Just for the record, our thoughts go out to those in Asheville right now.

[01:11:32] Oh, yeah.

[01:11:32] I'm so sorry.

[01:11:33] Yeah.

[01:11:33] I didn't even.

[01:11:34] Yeah.

[01:11:34] Just since we mentioned the city.

[01:11:36] Yeah.

[01:11:36] I know there's a lot of.

[01:11:38] Hurricane.

[01:11:39] Yeah.

[01:11:39] Stuff happening down there.

[01:11:41] Yeah.

[01:11:41] Not great.

[01:11:41] Yeah.

[01:11:42] Definitely.

[01:11:42] Hope everybody's doing okay down there.

[01:11:44] Yeah.

[01:11:46] So she.

[01:11:47] What he had posted was an article that she had written.

[01:11:51] Okay.

[01:11:51] Yeah.

[01:11:52] And now I'm going to read her article.

[01:11:53] Okay.

[01:11:54] And feel free to chime in throughout if you need to.

[01:11:57] Okay.

[01:11:57] Okay.

[01:11:57] She wrote friendly neighborhood biologist here.

[01:12:01] I see a lot of people are talking about biological sexes and gender right now.

[01:12:05] I was thinking right now.

[01:12:07] You mean what?

[01:12:07] For the last 10, 15 years.

[01:12:09] Right.

[01:12:09] Loud and proud.

[01:12:11] Or like right now today.

[01:12:13] Like what do you mean right now?

[01:12:13] But anyway.

[01:12:14] This is a good article.

[01:12:15] I don't know why.

[01:12:16] Anyway.

[01:12:18] Lots of folks make biological sex seem really simple.

[01:12:22] Well since it's so simple let's find the biological roots shall we?

[01:12:26] Let's talk about sex.

[01:12:27] A thread.

[01:12:28] Right.

[01:12:29] If you know a bit about biology you will probably say that biological sex is caused by chromosomes.

[01:12:35] XX and you're a female.

[01:12:36] XY and you're a male.

[01:12:37] Boom.

[01:12:38] This is chromosomal sex.

[01:12:40] But is it biological sex?

[01:12:42] Well.

[01:12:43] Turns out there is only one gene on the Y chromosome that really matters to sex.

[01:12:49] It's called the SRY gene.

[01:12:51] During human embryonic development the SRI protein turns on male associated genes.

[01:12:58] Having an SR gene makes you quote unquote genetically male.

[01:13:03] But is this biological sex?

[01:13:05] Sometimes that SRI gene pops off the Y chromosome and lands over on the X chromosome.

[01:13:13] Surprise.

[01:13:14] So now you've got an X with an SRY and a Y without an SRY.

[01:13:19] What does that mean?

[01:13:20] A Y without SRY means physically you're female.

[01:13:24] Chromosomally you're male because XY.

[01:13:26] And genetically you're female because no SRY.

[01:13:30] And X with an SRY means you're physically male, chromosomally female because XX.

[01:13:36] And genetically male because SRY.

[01:13:39] But biological sex is simple.

[01:13:42] Right?

[01:13:43] Like that's what people would say, right?

[01:13:44] I mean if you pay attention to that.

[01:13:47] There must be another answer.

[01:13:49] She goes on to say.

[01:13:50] Okay.

[01:13:50] Sex related genes ultimately turn on hormones in specific areas on the body and reception of those hormones by cells throughout the body.

[01:13:58] Is this, the hormones, the root of biological sex?

[01:14:02] Yes.

[01:14:03] Hormonal male means you produce normal, quote unquote normal, levels of male associated hormones.

[01:14:09] Except dot dot dot.

[01:14:11] Some percentage of females will have higher levels of male, quote unquote hormones than some percentage of males even.

[01:14:19] Okay.

[01:14:19] Ditto, ditto for female hormones.

[01:14:21] Which, segue outside of this for a second.

[01:14:24] Sure.

[01:14:25] We literally just saw this during the Olympics when a superior strong female boxer was accused by everybody on the right of being a trans male that was, quote unquote, beating up other females.

[01:14:39] And they were like, but she clearly is a boy.

[01:14:43] And they're like, so, but she was born female and she's fighting in a female fight.

[01:14:50] And that's like exactly following the rules that you Christians have presented.

[01:14:54] But that just points directly to their, you know.

[01:14:57] Hypocrisy, ignorance.

[01:14:59] And it's more about their take on what they view.

[01:15:02] But you look like a boy.

[01:15:03] Womanism is.

[01:15:04] Yeah.

[01:15:04] Womanism.

[01:15:04] Womanism.

[01:15:05] What a woman is.

[01:15:06] Yeah.

[01:15:07] So, basically, if you look girly and we don't know and you don't tell us what's between your legs, then we will allow you to pass.

[01:15:15] But we just don't ever want to know.

[01:15:17] Right.

[01:15:17] Because you look girly.

[01:15:19] Yeah.

[01:15:19] And if you look like a real Chad man of a man man, then that's fine, too.

[01:15:24] You're a man.

[01:15:25] Right.

[01:15:26] But if you're a girl who looks boy or a boy who looks girl and you want to go either way, we don't like that.

[01:15:31] Right.

[01:15:31] We don't like going against how we want to see.

[01:15:34] And by all of these terms, when I say looks like, acts like, whatever, I am using that term very stereotypically.

[01:15:42] Sure.

[01:15:43] I don't really think that there is any one way that a quote unquote female should act or look or think.

[01:15:49] Well, and I think.

[01:15:49] And the same for males.

[01:15:50] I honestly think that there's not really a good distinguishing mark for a lot of people that you can say this person is definitely male or this person is definitely female.

[01:15:59] Right.

[01:15:59] Right.

[01:15:59] Like it's it.

[01:16:01] But there is a group that is hard to distinguish visually.

[01:16:07] Right.

[01:16:08] Yeah.

[01:16:08] And we'll get into that more, too.

[01:16:09] Whether it's male or female or whether they go this way or that way sexually, it doesn't really matter.

[01:16:14] It doesn't.

[01:16:14] But that person can never win with the right.

[01:16:17] No.

[01:16:18] Because the right is always going to be, you know, angry at them for not conforming to the.

[01:16:23] Your appearance is wrong.

[01:16:24] You probably should just die.

[01:16:26] I mean.

[01:16:26] Is what they're.

[01:16:27] I mean, that's how they act.

[01:16:29] Because, you know, if you follow their rule out loud right now, which is, you know, if you were born with a vagina, I don't care who you are, what you look like and what you say.

[01:16:38] You're a girl.

[01:16:39] That's what they say.

[01:16:39] That's what they say.

[01:16:40] But then this female boxer proves that that's not true.

[01:16:43] Because she was born a female, always fought females, was defeated several times by other females.

[01:16:51] Right.

[01:16:51] So, like, I don't know what you want, but she doesn't look girly.

[01:16:55] The thing is, they don't know what they want.

[01:16:56] They don't know what they want either.

[01:16:58] They don't understand what they want.

[01:16:59] Right.

[01:17:00] Right.

[01:17:00] So anyway, to continue with this article, hormonal male, quote unquote, means you produce normal, quote unquote, levels of male associated hormones.

[01:17:09] Except some percentage of females, like the boxer I was referencing, will have higher levels of, quote unquote, male hormones than some percentage of males.

[01:17:19] I'm going to call this episode, quote unquote.

[01:17:21] Quote unquote.

[01:17:22] Okay.

[01:17:23] Ditto, ditto, quote unquote, female hormones.

[01:17:27] And dot, dot, dot.

[01:17:28] If you're developing, your body may not produce enough hormones for your genetic sex.

[01:17:33] Ah.

[01:17:34] And that's where we get into genetics, leading you to be genetically male or female, chromosomally male or female, hormonally non-binary, and physically non-binary.

[01:17:46] Okay.

[01:17:47] Well, that's not all, because except some cells have something to say about this too.

[01:17:53] Okay.

[01:17:53] You're doing the math here?

[01:17:54] I mean, I'm struggling a little bit to keep up, but to me, it ultimately doesn't matter.

[01:18:00] Right.

[01:18:00] I accept people for who they are.

[01:18:02] Right.

[01:18:03] Right.

[01:18:03] Exactly.

[01:18:03] You don't have to qualify who you are by me.

[01:18:05] And that's where this article is going.

[01:18:06] Who you are by me.

[01:18:07] That's where this article is going.

[01:18:09] Sure.

[01:18:09] Okay.

[01:18:09] And we're going to talk more about less the article and more a trans person's opinion on it and the conversation that ensued.

[01:18:19] Right.

[01:18:19] Okay.

[01:18:20] Yeah.

[01:18:20] So this biologist goes on to say maybe cells are the answer to biological sex.

[01:18:27] Right?

[01:18:27] Mm-hmm.

[01:18:28] Cells have receptors that, quote, unquote, hear the signal from sex hormones, but sometimes those receptors don't work.

[01:18:36] Like a mobile phone that's on do not disturb.

[01:18:39] Call and call, but they will not answer.

[01:18:41] Right.

[01:18:41] Right?

[01:18:41] What does that mean?

[01:18:43] It means that you may be chromosomally male or female, genetically male or female, hormonally male, female, or non-binary, with cells that may or may not hear the male, female, non-binary call.

[01:18:58] And all this leading to a body that can be male, non-binary, or female.

[01:19:03] Try out some combinations for yourself.

[01:19:06] Notice how confusing it gets?

[01:19:07] Can you point to what the absolute cause of biological sex is?

[01:19:12] She asks in her article.

[01:19:14] Right.

[01:19:15] Is it fair to judge people by it?

[01:19:16] And this is like the best part of the article here that we're getting to, okay?

[01:19:20] Okay.

[01:19:20] Of course, you could try appealing to the numbers, but most people are either male or female, you say.

[01:19:26] Except that as a biological professor, I will tell you.

[01:19:30] The reason I don't have my students look at their own chromosome in class is because people could learn that their chromosomal sex doesn't match their physical sex.

[01:19:42] And learning that in the middle of a 10-point assignment is just not the time.

[01:19:46] Right.

[01:19:47] Biological sex is complicated.

[01:19:49] Before you discriminate against someone on the basis of quote-unquote biological sex and identity, ask yourself, have you seen your chromosomes?

[01:19:58] Do you know the genes of the people you love?

[01:20:01] The hormones of the people you work with?

[01:20:04] The state of their cells?

[01:20:05] Since the answer will obviously be no, please be kind, respect people's right to tell you who they are, and remember that you don't have all the answers.

[01:20:13] Again, biology is complicated.

[01:20:16] Kindness and respect don't have to be.

[01:20:18] Right.

[01:20:18] Note, biological classifications exist.

[01:20:22] XXXY, XXY, XXYY, and all manner of variation, which is why sex isn't classified as binary.

[01:20:30] You can't have a binary classification system with more than two configurations, even if two of those configurations are more common than others.

[01:20:40] Biology is a shit show.

[01:20:41] Be kind to people.

[01:20:42] That's the TLDR.

[01:20:43] I think you could have just skipped to that, right?

[01:20:46] Skip to those last sentences.

[01:20:48] Biology is a shit show.

[01:20:49] Well, or just be kind to people.

[01:20:50] Yeah.

[01:20:51] Yeah.

[01:20:51] I'm just saying.

[01:20:52] Honestly, be kind to people.

[01:20:53] That's kind of my operating standard.

[01:20:55] You know?

[01:20:55] Yeah.

[01:20:56] And that's where we've come.

[01:20:58] That's where we have arrived.

[01:21:00] Right.

[01:21:00] We both have taken a circuitous route to get there, and we were not always the most informed or the most kind.

[01:21:10] We were always kind to people, but then we would maybe ask each other questions in privacy.

[01:21:15] Sure.

[01:21:16] And the questions that we asked were not always sensitive.

[01:21:21] I think we were learning our way.

[01:21:22] We were learning.

[01:21:23] I'm just, I'm trying to be transparent here and say, like, I wasn't born a fucking liberal who just came out being the nice person that I like to think I am.

[01:21:30] We grew up in a world that was not tolerant of that.

[01:21:33] And that didn't know the vocabulary.

[01:21:34] Right.

[01:21:35] Right.

[01:21:35] Yeah.

[01:21:36] And not at all.

[01:21:37] Right.

[01:21:37] I mean, LGBTQIA rights were not even something that was discussed when we were younger.

[01:21:43] Yeah.

[01:21:43] I mean.

[01:21:44] And we ain't that old.

[01:21:45] We're not that old.

[01:21:46] We're only in our late 40s, you know?

[01:21:47] We ain't that old.

[01:21:48] At mid.

[01:21:49] Shut up, dude.

[01:21:51] Husband is laughing because I'm 10 years older than he is.

[01:21:57] So the point of the matter is I do have forgiveness for people who are not there yet but who are asking the right questions and who want to be better.

[01:22:06] Like, I think we are further along than your mom is, but your mom cares so fucking much.

[01:22:11] Yeah, and you know what?

[01:22:12] That's one of the most important aspects is caring.

[01:22:15] Yes.

[01:22:15] You have to give a shit.

[01:22:17] Have enough empathy and compassion to care about changing your outlook.

[01:22:24] Yeah.

[01:22:24] Or at the very least for someone you love.

[01:22:27] Right.

[01:22:27] You know?

[01:22:28] Exactly.

[01:22:29] Exactly.

[01:22:29] At the very least.

[01:22:30] And your mom is an example of somebody who gets it wrong more often than we do.

[01:22:36] And we get it wrong.

[01:22:37] Sure.

[01:22:37] I'm not going to say we always get it right.

[01:22:38] Right.

[01:22:38] We get it wrong.

[01:22:39] We fuck up.

[01:22:40] Yeah.

[01:22:40] And she gets it wrong more often than we do.

[01:22:41] And like us, she gives a shit and wants to be better and is trying to be better.

[01:22:47] Ask the questions and cares.

[01:22:48] And wants to be called out.

[01:22:49] Yes.

[01:22:49] To learn.

[01:22:50] You know?

[01:22:50] Yeah.

[01:23:00] So, this is a trans person.

[01:23:03] I will not say her name because I did not ask her permission to repeat this conversation.

[01:23:09] And again, the conversation was intelligent and ended with us as all as friends.

[01:23:16] Yeah.

[01:23:16] But I don't want anybody thinking that she's an asshole or anything.

[01:23:21] But she had opinions that I did not agree with.

[01:23:24] And I'm going to caveat this right up front.

[01:23:27] I think that they were valid opinions.

[01:23:29] Yes.

[01:23:30] And I think everybody had valid opinions.

[01:23:31] Yeah.

[01:23:32] Yeah.

[01:23:32] And that was the hardest part.

[01:23:34] That was the hardest part is that she had very valid opinions for who she was.

[01:23:38] And where she was in her walk in life.

[01:23:40] Right.

[01:23:41] But, well, let me just get into it.

[01:23:43] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[01:23:43] Okay.

[01:23:43] So, she wrote to him, the important thing that people keep missing is, quote, biological sex isn't gender.

[01:23:51] This explanation is great for educating about intersex people who do have real problems with visibility and public understanding.

[01:24:00] But I keep seeing it passed around as transgender education and it isn't.

[01:24:06] Which, she's right.

[01:24:07] Okay.

[01:24:08] Gender is even harder to define because it's partly sociological.

[01:24:14] Sociological?

[01:24:15] Sorry.

[01:24:15] I can't read.

[01:24:17] Anyway, it's partly sociological and partly innate personal feeling.

[01:24:22] Cis people often deny the innate part exists because they've never felt a mismatch between theirs and their social upbringing.

[01:24:29] And that's why they keep confusing it with physical sex.

[01:24:33] Right.

[01:24:33] And again, she's right.

[01:24:34] She's not wrong.

[01:24:36] Okay?

[01:24:36] Sure.

[01:24:37] But kind of misses some of the point of this, which my friend that originally posted all this gets into.

[01:24:44] Sure.

[01:24:44] Okay.

[01:24:44] He responded, so I look at posts like this as the first step in explicitly decoupling the false idea of gender being tied not only to biology, but a wrong idea of biology.

[01:24:58] Breaking the seal, but then again, I'm also in the, but all of this is only of academic interest.

[01:25:06] My friend wants to be called, you know, fill in the blank.

[01:25:09] Yeah.

[01:25:09] And that's all there is to it.

[01:25:11] Camp.

[01:25:11] Camp.

[01:25:12] Camp.

[01:25:12] So that could also be why it's hitting me differently.

[01:25:15] And I have to make a comment here because while I don't understand everything about intersex or anything like that, I do understand that it is there.

[01:25:24] And I understand.

[01:25:25] And I've used it.

[01:25:26] Right.

[01:25:26] I've used it in conversations.

[01:25:28] I actually had a.

[01:25:29] I'm going to have you present this.

[01:25:31] Yeah.

[01:25:31] So I had a boss and a friend of mine who I worked with.

[01:25:35] And I present very much as a good old boy, white, you know, small town.

[01:25:41] You look Republican, Christian, small town, corn fed boy.

[01:25:44] If you didn't know me better, that's who you would think I would be just on first glance.

[01:25:47] You would probably assume that my dude is like in your little Trump camp with a pickup truck.

[01:25:56] Right.

[01:25:56] Right.

[01:25:56] And he wants the pickup truck, but I have one.

[01:25:59] And I want to pick up junk on the side of the road.

[01:26:02] Yeah.

[01:26:02] Yeah.

[01:26:02] Yeah.

[01:26:03] Yeah.

[01:26:03] You don't want you don't want the truck nuts hanging off the back or the gun rack.

[01:26:07] No, no.

[01:26:07] If I get a truck again, I'm going to make sure it has a bunch of liberal stickers on the back of it.

[01:26:11] Yeah.

[01:26:12] That's that's the only way I'm doing it.

[01:26:13] Yeah.

[01:26:14] But anyway, there's there's people out there that don't even understand that intersex is a thing that exists.

[01:26:22] Right.

[01:26:22] They don't they don't they don't understand.

[01:26:24] And they don't know what the I stands for in LGBTQIA.

[01:26:27] They think that the whole thing is just a choice that somebody makes.

[01:26:31] They decide that they want to like to be that they want to be a different gender.

[01:26:36] Yeah.

[01:26:37] They think the same thing about LGBTQIA across the board.

[01:26:41] Yeah.

[01:26:41] If they don't like men and they're supposed to like men, then they're obviously gay by choice.

[01:26:46] If they if they're supposed to like women and they don't like women, then they're obviously gay by choice.

[01:26:49] Right.

[01:26:50] These are the ideas that permeate the simpler cultures of, you know, small town America, small town America.

[01:26:58] Right.

[01:26:59] And the easiest way to break into that conversation is to use things like intersex to say, look, you say that this is the case.

[01:27:08] But like here's an example can prove you're absolutely wrong right off the bat.

[01:27:12] Just Google it.

[01:27:13] Yeah.

[01:27:13] Right.

[01:27:14] I can I can jump right into a conversation with someone and use that as an example to make them stop and think.

[01:27:20] Yeah.

[01:27:20] And that's the point of presenting just a little bit of science.

[01:27:23] Right.

[01:27:23] And it works.

[01:27:25] It worked.

[01:27:26] It worked on your friend that you had a conversation with because he was completely unaware.

[01:27:31] Right.

[01:27:31] And was like, I had no idea.

[01:27:33] Yeah.

[01:27:34] And look, I know that that's not going to always be the case.

[01:27:37] And also finding that person that's open to hearing that.

[01:27:41] Yeah.

[01:27:41] On top of it not being the case that that's yeah, that's a special situation.

[01:27:46] Right.

[01:27:46] And it was.

[01:27:47] And and I have a unique position being able to be part of that group while not being part of that group where I can I can build a rapport with people and then use that rapport to kind of edge my ideas in to their worldview.

[01:28:04] I think that's the appeal with Tim Walls as Kamala Harris's VP pick, honestly, because he is another good old boy.

[01:28:13] He likes, you know, going hunting.

[01:28:15] He's got guns.

[01:28:16] He was a football coach in small town high school, you know.

[01:28:20] Yeah.

[01:28:20] And you aren't those things, but you would relate to him.

[01:28:24] I used to go fishing all the time.

[01:28:25] Right.

[01:28:26] Boy Scout.

[01:28:27] You know, I grew up in a small town and.

[01:28:30] And so when you are.

[01:28:31] Yeah, I was in Scouts.

[01:28:31] You know, there's lots of that.

[01:28:32] When you are this small town white guy and you have a voice to be to hold your peers and neighbors and friends accountable and be able to say, you know, hey, actually, I know that you think that I'm racist with you.

[01:28:49] But actually, let me tell you a thing.

[01:28:50] Right.

[01:28:51] Or I know that you think that, you know, it's funny to make rape jokes about women.

[01:28:55] But let me tell you a thing.

[01:28:57] Right.

[01:28:57] Right.

[01:28:57] You know, I know that you think that trans people are yucky or what the fuck ever.

[01:29:01] But let me tell you a thing.

[01:29:02] It's an unfortunate state of our society where those conversations have to be had at all.

[01:29:07] But the only way to move somebody from this perspective to another is to first earn their trust on the thought that you have a valid opinion.

[01:29:19] Right.

[01:29:20] And that's hard to do in this society.

[01:29:22] Yeah.

[01:29:22] It's hard to have someone believe that you have a valid opinion that's maybe worth listening to more than what they already know.

[01:29:28] Right.

[01:29:29] That's a hard place to find.

[01:29:31] That's a hard place to get a hold on someone.

[01:29:34] Right.

[01:29:34] You know, in this day and age.

[01:29:36] Right.

[01:29:36] So if you are that guy and the guy's guy and they look to you as their peer, that puts you in the really awesome, scary, unique position of having a voice that you can use.

[01:29:51] Right.

[01:29:52] To represent other people.

[01:29:54] And I try to do that.

[01:29:56] Yeah.

[01:29:56] I mean, you do.

[01:29:57] To your credit, you absolutely 100% do.

[01:30:00] Yeah.

[01:30:00] And you're nice about it.

[01:30:02] Like, I'm an asshole.

[01:30:03] You are very patient.

[01:30:04] I am.

[01:30:05] And I think that is wonderful.

[01:30:08] Yeah.

[01:30:09] That's one of my favorite things about you, by the way, as a human and as my partner.

[01:30:13] I think the other thing that wins me points is I'm willing to listen.

[01:30:15] Right.

[01:30:16] They want to say their piece.

[01:30:17] Yeah.

[01:30:17] I'm always willing to listen to it.

[01:30:19] And then I respond.

[01:30:20] Yeah.

[01:30:20] I say, OK, well, what do you think about that?

[01:30:22] And then they tell me and I say, OK, well, let's let's let's work this through.

[01:30:26] Yeah.

[01:30:27] I take the time to nicely take apart their conversation.

[01:30:31] You don't actually.

[01:30:33] Right.

[01:30:34] No.

[01:30:34] Yeah.

[01:30:35] No.

[01:30:35] Which is what I would do, because, again, I'm an asshole.

[01:30:38] So anyway, he's like saying to this girl, you know, hey, so I use this as an example of just one thing, like to just break the seal.

[01:30:51] Right.

[01:30:52] Yeah.

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[01:31:32] Do you know where we are and how the hell we got here?

[01:31:37] Well, we just got done reading Hosea chapter 13.

[01:31:41] Sure as fuck did.

[01:31:41] And in that chapter, God did not like the Israelites for worshiping idols again.

[01:31:47] Go figure.

[01:31:48] I mean, that's the story of the whole fucking Bible.

[01:31:51] Right, right.

[01:31:52] And, you know, he was like, hey, I brought you out of fucking Egypt.

[01:31:55] What more do you want?

[01:31:57] Like, strings attached.

[01:31:58] Remember?

[01:31:59] Remember?

[01:32:00] Remember?

[01:32:00] You totally owe me.

[01:32:02] Yeah.

[01:32:02] And they're like, but do I, though?

[01:32:04] Yeah.

[01:32:04] And then when they were like, but do I, though?

[01:32:07] He was like, well, I'm going to, you know, cut your pregnant women open and bash your babies against rocks.

[01:32:13] And they're like, Jesus Christ, that escalated quickly.

[01:32:16] It did.

[01:32:17] Right?

[01:32:17] It did.

[01:32:18] Yeah.

[01:32:18] That was a just horrible fucking ending to that chapter.

[01:32:22] Yeah.

[01:32:22] And one of many, many reasons why even if this God were real, I'd be like, fuck you, dude.

[01:32:28] Yeah.

[01:32:29] Because what the fuck?

[01:32:31] Who even says something like that?

[01:32:34] Who threatens something like that?

[01:32:35] Right.

[01:32:36] Much less than actually follows through with it.

[01:32:38] No, it's just messed up.

[01:32:40] Right.

[01:32:40] And if you think that this God is loving, I beg to differ.

[01:32:45] Yeah.

[01:32:45] I just don't see it.

[01:32:47] I don't agree.

[01:32:48] And you can throw the New Testament out there all you want.

[01:32:51] But it's the same God.

[01:32:54] I'm just saying.

[01:32:55] I harmonized with you.

[01:32:56] Yeah, I appreciate that.

[01:32:57] That was good.

[01:32:58] So that was the gist of Hosea chapter 13.

[01:33:03] Yes.

[01:33:04] Which means that today we're getting into.

[01:33:06] Hosea chapter 14.

[01:33:09] Hosea is coming to an end.

[01:33:10] Yeah, this is the last chapter.

[01:33:12] Yes, it is.

[01:33:13] All right.

[01:33:13] Let's do this.

[01:33:13] Okie dokie.

[01:33:20] All right.

[01:33:21] We are hopping in here.

[01:33:22] Chapter 14 to see what Hosea is up to in Hosea.

[01:33:26] Yeah, that's the one.

[01:33:27] All right.

[01:33:27] All right, Hosea.

[01:33:28] What you got for us?

[01:33:29] Finish up strong.

[01:33:31] Return, Israel, to the Lord your God.

[01:33:34] Nah.

[01:33:35] Go back.

[01:33:36] Go back.

[01:33:37] Your sins have been your downfall.

[01:33:40] You keep saying that.

[01:33:41] I would say that God has been their downfall.

[01:33:43] Right?

[01:33:44] Honestly.

[01:33:44] I mean, from the very beginning when he was throwing fucking birds at them in the desert.

[01:33:48] I'm sorry.

[01:33:49] You can say they're sins.

[01:33:51] Like, that is blaming the person for their action.

[01:33:54] But the person that took the action against them for their action that caused the downfall

[01:33:59] is their fucking God.

[01:34:01] Yeah.

[01:34:01] Yeah.

[01:34:02] And that's bullshit.

[01:34:03] That's what I complain about.

[01:34:04] Like, okay.

[01:34:06] I get it.

[01:34:06] And idolatry apparently is just like the worst fucking thing you can do on the planet.

[01:34:11] Right?

[01:34:11] Mm-hmm.

[01:34:12] So bad that you will kill children over it.

[01:34:15] Yeah.

[01:34:16] I just...

[01:34:16] Sounds totally legit.

[01:34:18] Look, I get it.

[01:34:19] I already covered this in the intro.

[01:34:20] We covered it in the last chapter.

[01:34:21] We've covered it in other chapters where he's killed fucking children before.

[01:34:25] Yeah.

[01:34:26] But what...

[01:34:27] I just...

[01:34:28] I can't fathom.

[01:34:30] Right.

[01:34:30] People who worship a God who kills children to get revenge against people who worship other

[01:34:37] statues.

[01:34:38] Yeah.

[01:34:38] Fuck you.

[01:34:39] Yeah.

[01:34:40] Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.

[01:34:41] All the way to Mars and back, baby.

[01:34:42] Anyway, sorry.

[01:34:43] I know I'm on a little bit of a high horse here.

[01:34:45] So I'll let you continue.

[01:34:47] Take words with you and return to the Lord.

[01:34:51] Take words?

[01:34:52] That's weird, crazy.

[01:34:53] How do you do?

[01:34:54] Okay.

[01:34:54] How do you always be taking words, you know?

[01:34:56] I guess.

[01:34:56] I don't...

[01:34:57] I'm kind of...

[01:34:57] That's a Q&A thing.

[01:34:58] Yeah.

[01:34:58] Right.

[01:34:59] Say to him, forgive all our sins and receive us graciously that we may offer the fruit of

[01:35:06] our lips.

[01:35:07] Assyria cannot save us.

[01:35:09] We will not mount war horses.

[01:35:11] We will never again say, our gods, to what our own hands have made.

[01:35:17] For in you, the fatherless, find compassion.

[01:35:20] Mm-hmm.

[01:35:21] Okay.

[01:35:21] I will heal their waywardness.

[01:35:24] That's a word.

[01:35:25] Wow.

[01:35:26] Waywardness.

[01:35:27] That's like a scrabble double point word or something.

[01:35:31] Waywardness.

[01:35:32] That's got a lot of points in there.

[01:35:33] I will heal their two W's and a Y waywardness and love them freely, for my anger has turned

[01:35:43] away from them.

[01:35:45] Oh, how nice.

[01:35:45] That's so nice.

[01:35:46] Don't you like me?

[01:35:47] I will be like the dew to Israel.

[01:35:51] He will blossom like a lily.

[01:35:53] Wait.

[01:35:53] He's going to be like the dew to Israel?

[01:35:55] He was just complaining that the Israelites were like dew to him.

[01:35:58] I know.

[01:35:59] He's like...

[01:35:59] What the fuck is that?

[01:36:00] To me, all that says is that he's going to wane quickly.

[01:36:03] Yeah.

[01:36:03] And I'm like, oh, so you're saying you're the same thing you were complaining about to whatever,

[01:36:08] dude.

[01:36:08] Yep.

[01:36:08] That's what it sounds like to me.

[01:36:09] Yeah.

[01:36:10] He will blossom like a lily.

[01:36:11] And again, we're talking about Israel as a dude and instead of a girl.

[01:36:17] Like a cedar of Lebanon, he will send down his roots.

[01:36:21] His young shoots will grow.

[01:36:24] We're talking about God here, right?

[01:36:26] Or the Israelites?

[01:36:27] God is talking about the Israelites.

[01:36:29] Okay.

[01:36:30] I think.

[01:36:31] No, no, no.

[01:36:33] Hosehead is talking about God or God is talking about himself.

[01:36:36] I don't know.

[01:36:36] Right, right.

[01:36:37] You're right.

[01:36:37] Yeah.

[01:36:37] His splendor will be like an olive tree, his fragrance like a cedar of Lebanon.

[01:36:43] People will dwell again in his shade.

[01:36:46] They will flourish like the grain.

[01:36:49] They will blossom like the vine.

[01:36:51] Israel's fame will be like the wine of Lebanon.

[01:36:56] Ephraim, what more have I to do with idols?

[01:37:00] I will answer him and care for him.

[01:37:02] I'm like a flourishing juniper.

[01:37:04] Your fruitlessness comes from me.

[01:37:08] Okay.

[01:37:08] That's an end quote.

[01:37:09] Yeah.

[01:37:10] I don't know who was talking just then.

[01:37:12] I mean, that sounds like God was talking.

[01:37:14] Sure.

[01:37:15] I think.

[01:37:16] Most of the time through Hosea, I think it's been God talking.

[01:37:19] Hosea has been kind of whatever.

[01:37:21] It doesn't really matter for the whole thing.

[01:37:24] Well, I think this is now Hosea speaking.

[01:37:26] Okay.

[01:37:27] Who is wise?

[01:37:28] Let them realize these things.

[01:37:30] Who is discerning?

[01:37:32] Let them understand.

[01:37:33] The ways of the Lord are right.

[01:37:35] The righteous walk in them, but the rebellious stumble in them.

[01:37:40] The end.

[01:37:42] Hmm.

[01:37:43] Okay.

[01:37:44] I mean that.

[01:37:45] So that was how Hosea ends.

[01:37:46] Good people follow the ways of God and rebellious people stumble.

[01:37:51] The end.

[01:37:52] I like how they follow up the dashing children against rocks chapter with God's going to grow his roots and protect all his people and do all the wonderful things.

[01:38:02] As long as you're good.

[01:38:03] Yeah.

[01:38:03] You know, but like it was a they still caveat at that at the end.

[01:38:06] They're like, yeah, but you better be good.

[01:38:09] Don't stumble.

[01:38:10] Right.

[01:38:10] Don't stumble.

[01:38:11] Don't go waywardness.

[01:38:13] Yeah.

[01:38:13] Waywardness.

[01:38:14] That would be bad.

[01:38:15] Yeah.

[01:38:15] Yeah.

[01:38:16] But I just I can't this this whole book has been nothing but you suck for idolatry.

[01:38:24] I'm going to kill you and maybe you could be redeemed, but we'll see.

[01:38:30] Yeah.

[01:38:30] And I don't I haven't liked this book.

[01:38:33] This book has been kind of trash.

[01:38:36] Opinions say opinions being mine.

[01:38:39] Yeah.

[01:38:40] This was a negative two out of five stars.

[01:38:44] Yeah, I agree.

[01:38:46] OK, I agree.

[01:38:47] I not my favorite.

[01:38:49] Right.

[01:38:50] This was the first of the minor profits.

[01:38:53] Yeah.

[01:38:54] It's not not a good start to them.

[01:38:56] No.

[01:38:56] In my opinion.

[01:38:58] No, not at all.

[01:38:59] But like them next time we'll be starting Joel.

[01:39:02] OK.

[01:39:03] All right.

[01:39:03] I didn't even know that was a book.

[01:39:04] How about I didn't either.

[01:39:05] I was like, oh, next comes Joel chapter one, according to my little list here.

[01:39:11] And I literally wrote down a list in my planner of all the books of the Bible just so that

[01:39:17] I would always have a copy with me to reference.

[01:39:19] And I still did not remember that one of them was called Joel.

[01:39:22] Right.

[01:39:23] Yeah.

[01:39:23] So silly.

[01:39:24] Like by the time you get to the minor profits, you're like, whatever.

[01:39:27] I can't with all this.

[01:39:29] You lost me after Joshua, Judges, Ruth, King.

[01:39:33] I mean, that's right.

[01:39:34] Kings and Chronicles.

[01:39:36] People know the big ones, right?

[01:39:37] Yeah.

[01:39:37] Oh, Samuel, Kings and Chronicles.

[01:39:39] Right.

[01:39:40] Yeah.

[01:39:40] All right.

[01:39:41] Well, that was Hosea chapter 14 and the end of Hosea, which means that tomorrow, which

[01:39:48] this you may get this on Saturday, but we're going to release another episode at some point

[01:39:53] today.

[01:39:53] So later we're going to release our next episode, which is Q&A Saturday.

[01:40:00] Maybe on Saturday, maybe not.

[01:40:03] Who knows?

[01:40:04] Possibly evening.

[01:40:05] Yeah.

[01:40:06] Whatever.

[01:40:06] Sometime in there.

[01:40:07] And then I will get the weekly wrap up out here after that on Sunday.

[01:40:13] And then on Monday we'll be starting.

[01:40:15] No, because we have to do the book wrap up and then we have to do the you're always wrong

[01:40:23] contradictions.

[01:40:25] That's right.

[01:40:25] That's right.

[01:40:25] That's right.

[01:40:25] I forgot about that.

[01:40:26] So yeah, we'll be doing the special episode starting next week.

[01:40:28] And then our special episode will start on Wednesday or live discord at 10 Eastern.

[01:40:36] If you're on discord with us.

[01:40:37] Yeah.

[01:40:38] Yeah.

[01:40:38] Right.

[01:40:38] And so then on Thursday we will start Joel.

[01:40:44] Okay.

[01:40:44] Sounds good.

[01:40:45] Got it all straight now?

[01:40:47] No, not at all.

[01:40:48] No.

[01:40:48] Yeah.

[01:40:48] No.

[01:40:49] Okay.

[01:40:49] But it's okay.

[01:40:50] Yep.

[01:40:50] All right.

[01:40:51] See you guys.

[01:40:51] Bye.

[01:40:52] Ben.

[01:40:57] Wife.

[01:40:58] Do you know what we're doing today?

[01:41:00] Well, we're a little late, but we are getting into our Q&A, I think.

[01:41:07] So we're doing our Q&A.

[01:41:09] Not on Saturday.

[01:41:10] Right.

[01:41:11] Coming out Sunday night.

[01:41:12] But it's for a good reason.

[01:41:14] We actually got sprung on us some pretty amazing.

[01:41:18] It was a very unexpected event that we got to attend.

[01:41:21] Yes.

[01:41:22] Last night.

[01:41:23] Well, yeah.

[01:41:24] Last night.

[01:41:25] Yeah.

[01:41:25] So you want to tell them all about it?

[01:41:27] Yeah.

[01:41:27] So a friend of yours called and was like, dude, my girl can't make it.

[01:41:33] And I have these extra tickets.

[01:41:35] And can you be there?

[01:41:38] You'd have to come get these tickets and watch the show in two hours.

[01:41:43] Yeah.

[01:41:43] And you looked at me and were like, want to go to Hamilton in two hours?

[01:41:47] And I was like, fuck yeah.

[01:41:49] Right?

[01:41:50] Yeah.

[01:41:51] Yeah.

[01:41:51] So we went to go see Hamilton.

[01:41:53] Yeah.

[01:41:53] And we've seen it on TV, Disney a billion times and loved the show, but had never been fortunate enough to see it live.

[01:42:01] Our kid knows the songs by heart.

[01:42:03] All of them.

[01:42:03] Yeah.

[01:42:04] The entirety of it.

[01:42:05] Right.

[01:42:06] Yeah.

[01:42:06] I know much of it by at least sort of heart.

[01:42:10] I mean, Aaron Burr.

[01:42:12] Sure.

[01:42:13] Yeah.

[01:42:13] Yeah.

[01:42:14] But yeah, so I had to put on a dress and I haven't done that in several years.

[01:42:20] And I haven't, I had to put on makeup, which I haven't done in several months.

[01:42:24] Right.

[01:42:24] Right.

[01:42:25] And we had, we had a really good time.

[01:42:27] It was so nice.

[01:42:29] And there were two ladies sitting right next to us.

[01:42:32] And one of them had seen the show recently in New York.

[01:42:37] Right.

[01:42:37] And so we were oohing and on about how cool that would have been.

[01:42:40] And she leans over at intermission and goes, you guys, this show is way better than the one I saw in New York.

[01:42:48] Which was like, wow.

[01:42:49] Because, you know, we're in Dayton, Ohio.

[01:42:51] We have no business having a better performance here than in New York of all places.

[01:42:56] Right.

[01:42:57] Right.

[01:42:57] Right.

[01:42:57] Yeah.

[01:42:57] It was, it was fantastic.

[01:42:59] Right.

[01:42:59] So that's our reason for being late with the show.

[01:43:02] And we apologize for being late.

[01:43:03] I mean, I'm not sorry because that's so I'm sorry to our fans.

[01:43:08] I'm sorry that I'm not sorry.

[01:43:10] I went, but I'm sorry.

[01:43:12] I'm not sorry.

[01:43:12] I went.

[01:43:13] Yeah.

[01:43:13] But I am sorry that we got it out really this release late.

[01:43:16] But I mean, I think that people who listen to us are the same people that would be like, obviously, you had to go to Hamilton.

[01:43:23] Well, yeah, that's been the response so far from right.

[01:43:25] We've communicated to on Patreon and stuff like that.

[01:43:27] Like, broken arm one time and another time is, but we got tickets to Hamilton.

[01:43:33] Right.

[01:43:33] I mean, our life is just full of ups and downs.

[01:43:36] Sure.

[01:43:36] You know?

[01:43:37] Yeah.

[01:43:37] Like, nothing in the middle.

[01:43:38] Nothing in between.

[01:43:39] Right.

[01:43:40] I feel like that might have been a reward for.

[01:43:42] Well, that's what my mom said.

[01:43:43] My mom said, you two have had a real tough couple of months here and you deserve this.

[01:43:50] Not that I believe in fate or, you know, destiny or anything like that.

[01:43:54] But it was it was a nice treat after having suffered the last couple of months.

[01:43:59] It certainly was.

[01:44:00] It certainly was.

[01:44:01] So anyway, that was the reason we're running late.

[01:44:04] And then are you ready to get in?

[01:44:06] Do you have some good questions and answers and stuff like that for us today?

[01:44:09] Yeah.

[01:44:09] We're covering Hosea chapters 11 through 14.

[01:44:13] And I do have some good info.

[01:44:15] Awesome.

[01:44:16] Let's do this.

[01:44:16] Okie dokie.

[01:44:24] All right.

[01:44:25] We are hopping into the final few chapters of Hosea.

[01:44:29] Hosea chapters 11 through 14.

[01:44:32] I mean, we're doing the Q&A for them.

[01:44:33] We're not hopping into the chapters.

[01:44:35] Well, yeah.

[01:44:35] Okay.

[01:44:36] We're doing the Q&A.

[01:44:36] The way you said it, it sounded like we were starting a new, you know, whatever section

[01:44:40] of the chapter.

[01:44:40] We're going to read them all over again.

[01:44:41] This is a Q&A.

[01:44:42] This is a Q&A.

[01:44:43] It's a Q&A.

[01:44:43] You're right.

[01:44:44] All right.

[01:44:44] All right.

[01:44:44] Let's start with chapter 11.

[01:44:46] We had some confusing things.

[01:44:50] Sure.

[01:44:50] I don't know the words I'm trying to say right now.

[01:44:52] Right.

[01:44:53] We were befuddled.

[01:44:54] Befuddled.

[01:44:55] Well, chapter 12, I mean, when we get to chapter 12, I wrote a giant note that just said this

[01:44:59] whole chapter was confusing.

[01:45:01] Yeah.

[01:45:01] So that's the one where...

[01:45:03] You didn't just write WTF?

[01:45:04] WTF?

[01:45:04] Like, what the fuck?

[01:45:05] No, I actually spelled the words out and just was like, nope.

[01:45:09] Got it.

[01:45:10] Got it.

[01:45:10] But let's start with chapter 11.

[01:45:12] Sure.

[01:45:12] Okay.

[01:45:12] Yeah.

[01:45:12] So this chapter contains prophecies about God's former benefits and Israel's ingratitude of those.

[01:45:20] Hmm.

[01:45:21] Resulting in punishment.

[01:45:22] But...

[01:45:23] The former...

[01:45:23] Was this where he was like getting them out of Egypt and stuff?

[01:45:25] Yeah.

[01:45:26] Yeah.

[01:45:26] He's like, I used to treat you so good.

[01:45:29] Remember?

[01:45:30] Centuries ago.

[01:45:31] And the people are like, no, I wasn't there.

[01:45:33] Yeah.

[01:45:34] What the fuck are you even talking about?

[01:45:35] They weren't there.

[01:45:35] And also, he didn't treat them good.

[01:45:37] Right.

[01:45:37] Exactly.

[01:45:38] So there's both of those things.

[01:45:39] And if you did, you didn't tell me there were fucking strings attached, asshole.

[01:45:43] Some people just love each other and do nice things for each other without keeping score.

[01:45:47] Right.

[01:45:48] Right.

[01:45:48] You know?

[01:45:48] Yeah.

[01:45:48] Like, that's what I do.

[01:45:51] I don't...

[01:45:51] And also, I feel like the level of punishment that's being dispersed here or talked about

[01:45:55] being dispersed here...

[01:45:56] Yeah.

[01:45:56] ...is way beyond anything reasonable.

[01:45:59] But I was good to you.

[01:46:00] But I got you out of slavery.

[01:46:02] Like...

[01:46:03] Mm-hmm.

[01:46:03] Okay.

[01:46:04] Let's just see what you just said.

[01:46:05] I got you out of slavery.

[01:46:07] Yes.

[01:46:08] As well, you should, motherfucker.

[01:46:11] Right.

[01:46:12] Maybe...

[01:46:13] We...

[01:46:14] Okay.

[01:46:14] We won't even go into the fact that you're a god and you allowed your chosen people to

[01:46:19] be in slavery.

[01:46:20] Right.

[01:46:20] Let's not even talk about magic.

[01:46:22] Okay.

[01:46:22] And that's funny.

[01:46:23] That's something that never really gets discussed, right?

[01:46:25] We skip from, like, basically Genesis with a bunch of names in between...

[01:46:30] Right.

[01:46:30] ...to Exodus.

[01:46:32] Exodus.

[01:46:32] All of a sudden, they're just...

[01:46:34] Where was the middle thousands of years?

[01:46:36] Mm-hmm.

[01:46:37] Exactly.

[01:46:37] I mean, just people would...

[01:46:38] You know, were born and died.

[01:46:40] That's it.

[01:46:40] Pretty much.

[01:46:41] Yeah.

[01:46:41] And then when we rejoin the story, they're in slavery in Egypt.

[01:46:45] Yeah.

[01:46:45] Which isn't even fucking true based on, like, scholars' accounts.

[01:46:49] Yeah.

[01:46:49] So, I...

[01:46:50] What?

[01:46:50] Yeah.

[01:46:51] And that's the beginning of, like, the history part of stuff.

[01:46:56] Like, we just kind of skip...

[01:46:57] Everything.

[01:46:58] Like, the beginnings of, you know, life on Earth or whatever.

[01:47:03] It began over here.

[01:47:03] And look, they popped up cities.

[01:47:05] And then cities.

[01:47:05] And there was, like, lots of people.

[01:47:07] Yep.

[01:47:07] And then people lived for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years.

[01:47:10] And then they stopped living for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years.

[01:47:12] And then...

[01:47:13] Because flood.

[01:47:13] And then somebody fought God in the desert.

[01:47:15] And then we're in Egypt.

[01:47:17] Yay!

[01:47:18] Yeah.

[01:47:18] Well, the fighting God in the desert came after leaving Egypt.

[01:47:23] Whatever.

[01:47:23] Anyway.

[01:47:24] No, I didn't.

[01:47:25] No.

[01:47:25] Yeah, I did.

[01:47:26] It was part of their exodus.

[01:47:28] No.

[01:47:28] But I'm going to reference it in this chapter.

[01:47:30] That was part of Jacob and all that.

[01:47:32] Yeah.

[01:47:33] I'm going to reference it.

[01:47:34] Okay.

[01:47:35] I promise you.

[01:47:36] Yes, it was Jacob.

[01:47:37] But it was while they were...

[01:47:39] He was, like...

[01:47:41] Jacob's the dude that married the two daughters.

[01:47:45] Yeah.

[01:47:46] Yeah?

[01:47:46] Right.

[01:47:46] So, they're just, like, wandering around.

[01:47:50] I think you might be wrong here.

[01:47:52] Okay.

[01:47:52] I will do some due diligence here.

[01:47:54] But I'm pretty certain you're wrong.

[01:47:57] All right.

[01:47:57] So, yeah.

[01:47:58] Go ahead and talk about what you want to talk about.

[01:48:00] Okay.

[01:48:01] So, anyway.

[01:48:02] God's like, I'm awesome and I did great things for you.

[01:48:06] But I still love you.

[01:48:07] And he promises their eventual restoration.

[01:48:09] So, the first few verses of this chapter talk about how, as a father loves a son, so God loved Israel and saved his people from slavery in Egypt.

[01:48:22] They turned from God to serve idols, but God still loved them and cared for them.

[01:48:28] Got it.

[01:48:29] Okay.

[01:48:29] And also, you were wrong.

[01:48:31] Oh, okay.

[01:48:32] Sorry.

[01:48:33] Just for the record, Jacob was before Exodus.

[01:48:36] Okay.

[01:48:36] My bad.

[01:48:36] It's all right.

[01:48:38] It's all a blur to me.

[01:48:39] I just wanted to make sure that was a big one.

[01:48:40] So, I want to make sure we clarified.

[01:48:41] No, you're right.

[01:48:42] Good on you.

[01:48:43] All right.

[01:48:43] Sorry.

[01:48:44] That's right.

[01:48:44] Sorry.

[01:48:44] Sorry.

[01:48:45] It's all kind of just like, I don't know.

[01:48:48] Maybe I'd have to care more.

[01:48:50] Which, I know that sounds bad.

[01:48:53] Like, I'm reading a whole podcast to, like, try to, you know, care more and learn more.

[01:49:00] Yeah.

[01:49:00] But, I don't know.

[01:49:01] That's just one of those, like, slip through the cracks for me.

[01:49:04] Got it.

[01:49:05] Sorry.

[01:49:06] That's right.

[01:49:06] If you can hear husband rolling his eyes and glaring at me, like, gold star for you.

[01:49:12] Yeah.

[01:49:12] Yeah.

[01:49:14] Anyway, moving on.

[01:49:15] The people of Israel have refused to return to God.

[01:49:19] Right?

[01:49:19] Okay.

[01:49:20] Like, throughout this whole fucking book, right?

[01:49:21] Yeah.

[01:49:22] Right.

[01:49:22] And now they are about to go into slavery again.

[01:49:25] This time by Assyria.

[01:49:27] Right.

[01:49:27] And that's why we're talking about Egypt.

[01:49:29] He's like, I took you out of Egypt.

[01:49:31] Now, I'm going to let you go into Assyria and let you bow down and suck my toes.

[01:49:37] So, God's going to overpower the enemies of Israel, release his people from captivity,

[01:49:41] and bring them back to their homeland.

[01:49:44] Okay.

[01:49:44] Okay.

[01:49:45] Supposedly, that's going to happen.

[01:49:47] Okay.

[01:49:47] Except for that he doesn't do it for anybody but Judah, basically.

[01:49:50] Right.

[01:49:51] Because the tribes still end up split.

[01:49:53] Mm-hmm.

[01:49:54] And they never come back together.

[01:49:56] Yeah.

[01:49:56] That we're aware of.

[01:49:57] Right.

[01:49:57] Not officially.

[01:49:58] Yeah.

[01:49:59] The band never got back together.

[01:50:00] Exactly.

[01:50:01] Right.

[01:50:01] The band never got back together.

[01:50:02] Yeah.

[01:50:03] So, verse 5 and 6 read as follows.

[01:50:07] Will they not return to Egypt?

[01:50:09] And will not Assyria rule over them because they refuse to repent?

[01:50:13] A sword will flash in their cities.

[01:50:16] It will devour their false prophets and put an end to their plans.

[01:50:20] And again, we keep saying that.

[01:50:21] God keeps saying he's going to destroy all the idols.

[01:50:24] He's going to kill all the people that are bad and they keep being there time and time

[01:50:31] and time and time again.

[01:50:32] Yeah.

[01:50:32] And then they refer to the survivors as a remnant, a mere remnant.

[01:50:36] Yeah.

[01:50:37] And I'm like, mm-hmm.

[01:50:37] But you can't, if you're talking about this being the word of God, right, you cannot say

[01:50:42] over and over again, I'm going to decimate, wipe away, all are going to be gone.

[01:50:48] Erase you.

[01:50:49] I'm going to cancel you from the chat.

[01:50:51] And then start talking about it again.

[01:50:53] Right.

[01:50:53] That's not how that, you're either, you're either an all-powerful God who follows through

[01:50:58] with his word and did the thing that he said he's going to do, or you lied.

[01:51:02] Right.

[01:51:02] Exactly.

[01:51:03] That's the only two options, I think.

[01:51:05] Yep.

[01:51:05] I agree.

[01:51:05] Or, well, no, there is a third, and that's that you don't exist, which is the one that

[01:51:09] is actually the one that we go by.

[01:51:11] Men are stupid.

[01:51:12] Right.

[01:51:12] Yeah.

[01:51:13] And that is the likelihood of it.

[01:51:15] Yeah.

[01:51:15] Well, men like to brag, right?

[01:51:17] Men like to talk in, you always talk about the fish.

[01:51:19] Hyperbole.

[01:51:20] Right.

[01:51:20] The fish story.

[01:51:21] It's a famous thing, right?

[01:51:22] Yeah.

[01:51:22] It was, I caught a fish this big, right?

[01:51:24] And then in reality, it wasn't.

[01:51:26] Yeah.

[01:51:26] So that, you know.

[01:51:28] Israel was agitated with internal unrest and external wars from the time of Jeroboam II.

[01:51:35] Okay?

[01:51:36] Okay.

[01:51:36] So this is all going back to that time period, okay?

[01:51:40] Right.

[01:51:40] And all this is happening.

[01:51:42] Sure.

[01:51:43] Let's see.

[01:51:44] Jeroboam's son, Zechariah, reigned 12 years, yet it was in continual troubles, and he was

[01:51:49] at last slain by the rebel Shalom, who, having reigned just one month, was slain by Manahem.

[01:51:57] Pechahiah succeeded his father Manahem and reigned two years and was killed by Pechah, son of Remaliah.

[01:52:05] Now, Pechah joined Rezin, king of Syria, and made an incursion into the land of Judah.

[01:52:13] Oh.

[01:52:14] But with Ahaz having obtained succor from the king of Assyria, Tiglath-Polassar, remember

[01:52:20] that guy?

[01:52:21] Pechah was defeated.

[01:52:23] Got it.

[01:52:23] Okay?

[01:52:24] Here's the rest of the sentence.

[01:52:25] Okay.

[01:52:26] And the tribes of Reuben, Gad, Naphtali, and the half-tribe of Manasseh were carried away

[01:52:33] captives by the Assyrian king.

[01:52:35] Hmm.

[01:52:36] Okay.

[01:52:36] Okay.

[01:52:37] That's what happened.

[01:52:38] Yeah.

[01:52:38] Okay?

[01:52:39] Yep.

[01:52:39] Never came back.

[01:52:40] Right.

[01:52:40] Never quite could recover from that hurricane.

[01:52:44] Yeah.

[01:52:45] No, we've talked about, well, we've moved on from this time frame.

[01:52:49] Yeah.

[01:52:50] Where we are in the Bible.

[01:52:51] Now we're going back to it, but we don't really talk about those other tribes anymore

[01:52:54] so much.

[01:52:55] They are referenced as in a distant, that happened over there type thing.

[01:53:01] Yeah.

[01:53:01] But they're no longer part of the Israelites, you know, when they're talking about them.

[01:53:05] Yeah.

[01:53:06] Well, and that's what's so confusing to me still, even to this day.

[01:53:09] Like when we talk about the Middle East and the, you know, the crisis that's happening

[01:53:13] right now, like do we, or don't we support Israel?

[01:53:16] We're talking about Israel, not Judah.

[01:53:19] And it's just very confusing to me that it's like, no, but Israel got swallowed up and it's

[01:53:26] the Judah tribes that didn't.

[01:53:28] Well, we're talking about a state that's called Israel.

[01:53:31] I know, but that's confusing to me.

[01:53:34] Got it.

[01:53:34] Because like, sometimes the Israelites refers to all of them altogether, but sometimes it

[01:53:42] only refers to Israel that got swallowed.

[01:53:46] I think you have to put a distinguishing line between ancient Israelites and the discussion

[01:53:51] therein versus modern.

[01:53:52] Well, that's what we call the Israelis.

[01:53:54] They're not Israelites.

[01:53:56] They're Israelis.

[01:53:57] Right.

[01:53:57] Right.

[01:53:57] And that's, that's what the distinguishing line is.

[01:54:00] But just for somebody who's very ignorant, obviously, I mean, I made a mistake right

[01:54:04] at the opening of the geography and the times and all that.

[01:54:09] It's just very confusing to have learned, you know, oh no, actually the Israelites that,

[01:54:15] that whole tribe of them got, got.

[01:54:18] Right.

[01:54:18] Right.

[01:54:19] So verse 10 reads, they will follow the Lord.

[01:54:22] He will roar like a lion.

[01:54:24] When he roars, his children will come trembling from the West.

[01:54:28] And scholars believe this verse is probably a later edition.

[01:54:32] Okay.

[01:54:33] Okay.

[01:54:33] All right.

[01:54:34] Yeah.

[01:54:34] So that one was probably not there when we stapled this all together.

[01:54:38] Got it.

[01:54:39] Okay.

[01:54:39] Yeah.

[01:54:39] So moving on to the last couple verses of this chapter, Israel's political agreements

[01:54:45] with foreign nations, whether concerning trade or defense are unlawful in God's eyes.

[01:54:51] Oh.

[01:54:52] Yeah.

[01:54:52] Okay.

[01:54:52] Because we care about law when it comes to God.

[01:54:56] Yes.

[01:54:56] Right.

[01:54:57] Sometimes.

[01:54:57] Never.

[01:54:58] Sometimes.

[01:54:59] Verse 12, which is the last verse of this chapter reads, Ephraim has surrounded me with

[01:55:05] lies, Israel with deceit, and Judah is unruly against God, even against the faithful Holy

[01:55:12] One.

[01:55:12] Hmm.

[01:55:13] This verse actually does not well unite with the previous ones, which dealt with the topic

[01:55:19] of God's love for his people.

[01:55:22] Like he was like, but I took you out and I just love you so hard.

[01:55:25] Right.

[01:55:26] This one is like, all y'all suck, you fucking liar motherfuckers.

[01:55:30] Yeah.

[01:55:31] So it actually belongs to the following chapter and that's how it is in the Hebrew.

[01:55:36] Oh.

[01:55:36] Yeah.

[01:55:36] Okay.

[01:55:37] So.

[01:55:37] Well, that makes a lot more sense.

[01:55:38] It does, right?

[01:55:39] Right.

[01:55:39] Yeah.

[01:55:40] Because we talk like from here on out, there is some redemption, but it's usually at the

[01:55:44] end of the chapters and it's like a, well, if you do this, I'll forgive you sort of kind

[01:55:49] of.

[01:55:49] Exactly.

[01:55:50] Roundabout way.

[01:55:51] And this kind of went backwards.

[01:55:52] Yeah.

[01:55:52] You motherfuckers.

[01:55:53] Right.

[01:55:54] So moving on to chapter 12.

[01:55:56] Again, I titled this one.

[01:55:58] This entire chapter is confusing with three exclamation points and all caps.

[01:56:05] Got it.

[01:56:05] Okay.

[01:56:05] Yeah.

[01:56:06] Because I remember we needed to make a note of that.

[01:56:09] And we didn't have a specific question.

[01:56:11] We just had, what even did I just read?

[01:56:13] Right.

[01:56:14] Okay.

[01:56:14] Right.

[01:56:14] So this is going to take up the bulk of this FYI.

[01:56:18] Okay.

[01:56:18] As I kind of break it down for us.

[01:56:19] Yeah.

[01:56:20] So the rest of the prophecy belongs both to Judah and Israel, even though Israel gets

[01:56:27] got.

[01:56:28] Okay.

[01:56:28] Okay.

[01:56:29] He reproaches both with their ingratitude and threatens them with God's anger in order

[01:56:35] to make their infidelity the more hateful and their malice the more sensible.

[01:56:40] He opposes, he proposes, one more time.

[01:56:45] He talks to them about their righteousness, obedience, and piety of their father, Jacob.

[01:56:51] Okay.

[01:56:51] So he's like comparing them.

[01:56:53] He's like, Jacob was kind of good, but he also, man, y'all are just like him.

[01:56:58] You assholes.

[01:57:00] Nothing's changed in thousands of years.

[01:57:02] Yeah.

[01:57:02] And yet I'm still, as a God, going to continue to be angry at you, even though I made you

[01:57:07] and know everything that's going to happen.

[01:57:10] And I know your heart and it keeps happening, but I'm still going to keep killing you because

[01:57:14] why not?

[01:57:15] I'm God.

[01:57:15] Yep.

[01:57:16] Because I can.

[01:57:16] All right.

[01:57:17] He recalls to their minds the benefits they had received since they returned from Egypt.

[01:57:22] He speaks afterwards of their kings and how in their ingratitude, they refused to have

[01:57:28] him for their monarch.

[01:57:29] Because remember they chose what's his butt?

[01:57:32] The kings.

[01:57:33] The kings.

[01:57:33] Right.

[01:57:33] Yeah.

[01:57:34] Yeah.

[01:57:34] This chapter was Saul the first one.

[01:57:36] I can't remember at this point, honestly.

[01:57:38] Yeah, me neither.

[01:57:38] Wish I did.

[01:57:39] Me too, but whatever.

[01:57:40] This chapter contains prophecies delivered about the time when the kingdom of Israel, often

[01:57:48] referred to as Ephraim in this chapter, sought the aid of the Egyptian king in violation

[01:57:54] of her covenant with Assyria.

[01:57:56] Okay.

[01:57:57] So remember we talked about how she was caught in the middle.

[01:58:01] Right.

[01:58:01] Yeah.

[01:58:01] You know, two major powerful forces on either side and this little nation in the middle is

[01:58:09] just trying to not get squashed.

[01:58:11] Right.

[01:58:11] And so they're making deals with both and pleasing neither and getting squashed by both.

[01:58:16] Sure.

[01:58:16] Yeah.

[01:58:17] So Hosea, the prophet whose book that we're reading.

[01:58:20] Yeah.

[01:58:21] Exhorts the country's leaders to follow their father Jacob's persevering prayerfulness.

[01:58:26] Okay.

[01:58:27] Prayerfulness there.

[01:58:28] So that's the general gist of what that chapter is.

[01:58:32] But now let's get into the verses.

[01:58:35] Okay.

[01:58:35] So Israel's political agreements with foreign nations, whether concerning trade or defense

[01:58:41] are unlawful in God's eyes, which we said they are based on lies and dishonesty, displaying

[01:58:47] the deeply rooted deceit of Israel.

[01:58:50] Hosea describes the unprofitableness and destruction attending vicious.

[01:58:59] Circles of business and all of that.

[01:59:01] He's just like, y'all suck.

[01:59:03] Particularly such as Ephraim pursued who forsook God and courted the alliance of idolatrous princes.

[01:59:10] Okay.

[01:59:11] Okay.

[01:59:11] Yeah.

[01:59:12] The idols and foreign alliances that Israel trusts in are useless.

[01:59:17] They are like trying to, quote, feed on the wind.

[01:59:21] Okay.

[01:59:22] Right.

[01:59:22] And that gets us.

[01:59:23] I recall that.

[01:59:23] Yeah.

[01:59:24] That gets us into the first verse.

[01:59:26] Sure.

[01:59:26] Okay.

[01:59:27] Yeah.

[01:59:27] Ephraim feeds on the wind.

[01:59:29] He pursues the east wind all day and multiplies lies and violence.

[01:59:34] He makes a treaty with Assyria and sends olive oil to Egypt.

[01:59:39] Okay.

[01:59:39] So the east wind is coming from Arabia and the far east, indicating that Ephraim forms and

[01:59:45] follows empty, unstable, and dangerous councils.

[01:59:49] The east wind was and still is a parching, wasting, injurious wind with the force of the

[01:59:56] whirlwind.

[01:59:57] Oh.

[01:59:57] Blowing over a large sandy area, scorching and destructive to vegetation.

[02:00:02] Got it.

[02:00:03] Okay.

[02:00:03] Yeah.

[02:00:03] Speaking of whirlwinds, our heart is with the people of Florida who are-

[02:00:09] About to endure another freaking hurricane.

[02:00:11] Recovering from Helene and about to get pummeled by-

[02:00:15] Hashtag climate change is real.

[02:00:16] Yeah.

[02:00:17] Yeah.

[02:00:17] Milton is the new guy.

[02:00:19] I can't remember.

[02:00:20] Yeah.

[02:00:20] And he's coming from inside the Gulf of Mexico instead of-

[02:00:23] Yeah.

[02:00:24] I guess from what I read, like the last time that happened was in 2003.

[02:00:28] Wow.

[02:00:29] Yeah.

[02:00:29] So that's interesting.

[02:00:30] I saw that and I was like, what?

[02:00:32] That's backwards.

[02:00:33] That doesn't make sense.

[02:00:34] And so then I had to find several more pictures to confirm that that is, yes, indeed, what

[02:00:38] is happening.

[02:00:38] Huh.

[02:00:39] So-

[02:00:40] Weird.

[02:00:41] Yeah.

[02:00:41] Yeah.

[02:00:41] And everybody, like all the weather people are like, dude, what the fuck?

[02:00:46] And yeah, us sitting here, dum-dums in pajamas at our table are like, climate change, stupid.

[02:00:52] Right.

[02:00:52] So-

[02:00:52] Yeah.

[02:00:53] Yeah.

[02:00:54] Anyway, when that final line in that verse says they make a treaty with Assyria and they

[02:01:00] send all of oil to Egypt.

[02:01:02] Right.

[02:01:03] The oil is carried to Egypt refers to the rich and precious oils for which Palestine was

[02:01:09] famed being used to procure Egypt's friendship.

[02:01:13] Sure.

[02:01:13] So again, they're making treaties with one and they're offering gifts to the other and

[02:01:18] could very well be the opposite way the following week.

[02:01:21] All right.

[02:01:21] Verse three reads, in the womb, he grasped his brother's heel as a man.

[02:01:26] He struggled with God.

[02:01:28] And that's Jacob.

[02:01:28] We're referring to Jacob.

[02:01:29] Yeah.

[02:01:30] Who I had mixed up.

[02:01:31] Which is also a reference for Israel.

[02:01:32] Yeah.

[02:01:33] Right.

[02:01:33] Yeah.

[02:01:33] Here, God looks back at the patriarch Jacob and how Israel in Hosea's day is just like

[02:01:39] their forefather Jacob in the days of Genesis.

[02:01:42] Genesis, those motherfuckers.

[02:01:44] In ancient Israel, a heel catcher.

[02:01:47] That was like an actual phrase.

[02:01:49] Yeah.

[02:01:50] Was known as a double dealer.

[02:01:52] Someone who achieved their goals through crafty and dishonest means.

[02:01:56] That's interesting because Jacob literally became the name for the Israelites.

[02:02:03] Right.

[02:02:03] Right.

[02:02:03] And so the fact that he did just that in the Bible, right?

[02:02:09] Yeah.

[02:02:09] Means that God sees them by namesake.

[02:02:13] Yes.

[02:02:13] As a crafty and manipulative people.

[02:02:15] Mm-hmm.

[02:02:15] So he knows that that's what they are.

[02:02:17] Right.

[02:02:17] Right.

[02:02:18] It's built into their name.

[02:02:20] Their own Bible.

[02:02:20] Their own Bible calls them that.

[02:02:22] That's kind of a revelation and crazy.

[02:02:24] Yeah.

[02:02:25] Isn't it?

[02:02:25] Because that's all we talk about.

[02:02:26] Right.

[02:02:27] Yeah.

[02:02:27] We talk about them constantly not doing their part.

[02:02:31] Right.

[02:02:31] Yeah.

[02:02:31] And they're always doing things the wrong way and bad and whatever.

[02:02:35] And that's because they literally were made that way.

[02:02:38] Yeah.

[02:02:39] They came out of the womb that way.

[02:02:41] If we're to believe the Bible, right?

[02:02:42] Uh-huh.

[02:02:43] Like God has built in this shittiness of the Israelites.

[02:02:46] Yes.

[02:02:46] And then punishes them for what he built into the system.

[02:02:50] Yes.

[02:02:50] And named them after.

[02:02:51] Yeah.

[02:02:52] Like, wow.

[02:02:53] Right.

[02:02:53] Jesus Christ, man.

[02:02:56] That's so gross.

[02:02:57] He's so gross and dumb and mean.

[02:02:59] Yeah.

[02:03:00] And bad.

[02:03:00] I agree.

[02:03:01] Yeah.

[02:03:01] I agree.

[02:03:02] So through Hosea, God said, that was Jacob then and it is Israel now.

[02:03:08] Y'all motherfuckers.

[02:03:10] And it's not a good thing.

[02:03:11] Right.

[02:03:11] Even though we like Jacob.

[02:03:12] Yes.

[02:03:13] Right?

[02:03:13] Yes.

[02:03:14] Like we like Jacob.

[02:03:15] Yeah.

[02:03:15] But he did cheat to get the birthright to come out first.

[02:03:20] Right.

[02:03:21] I'm just.

[02:03:22] Yeah.

[02:03:22] I don't know.

[02:03:24] There's so much, right?

[02:03:25] There's so much in this Bible that it needs more, you know, in depth.

[02:03:31] And somebody out there is doing it.

[02:03:32] Yeah.

[02:03:33] Not us necessarily.

[02:03:35] We're witnessing that these things need more research.

[02:03:38] Yeah.

[02:03:39] And someday, maybe when we get done with all this.

[02:03:41] Yeah.

[02:03:41] We'll go back and catch some of these finer points or talk to people that have caught these

[02:03:44] finer points.

[02:03:45] Right.

[02:03:45] But it's interesting to just stumble across these things and be like, holy shit.

[02:03:51] Well, let us not forget that Israel, Jacob, also tricked his father into giving him the

[02:03:58] birthright by being like, look, I'm Harry Esau.

[02:04:01] Right.

[02:04:02] It didn't end with the birth.

[02:04:03] It just kept happening.

[02:04:04] Yeah.

[02:04:05] Right.

[02:04:05] And this is what we named Israelites after.

[02:04:08] Yeah.

[02:04:08] They are Jacob.

[02:04:10] Right.

[02:04:10] Yes.

[02:04:10] And it, wow.

[02:04:11] Right.

[02:04:12] Like, as I was reading these notes, I was like, oh my God.

[02:04:16] Yeah.

[02:04:16] Like, that is so, I don't even know what the word is, but it's like, how can you be mad

[02:04:22] at this people that are named after the guy who you called a cheaty cheater?

[02:04:28] Prior to even being born.

[02:04:30] Yeah.

[02:04:30] Prior to even being born.

[02:04:31] In the womb.

[02:04:32] Right.

[02:04:33] Israel was a cheaty cheater.

[02:04:34] Yeah.

[02:04:35] So we recognize, like, this seems more like a commentary on human nature.

[02:04:40] Yes.

[02:04:40] Right.

[02:04:41] Human nature is that we fuck up.

[02:04:42] Yeah.

[02:04:43] And we don't do things the right way.

[02:04:44] And there's always something wrong with our actions and whatever.

[02:04:47] Right.

[02:04:47] Yes.

[02:04:47] And so human nature says we are going to continue to do that.

[02:04:52] And part of this is kind of beautiful that the Bible is able to recognize that humans

[02:04:57] are able to fuck up.

[02:04:58] Right.

[02:04:58] And that they're going to continue to fuck up.

[02:05:00] Yeah.

[02:05:00] And it's a recognizable fact in society that we're going to continue and do and still and

[02:05:05] will fuck up.

[02:05:06] Right.

[02:05:06] Right.

[02:05:06] That part is kind of cool.

[02:05:08] It's a neat metaphor.

[02:05:09] The part that's not cool is then creating the God that is supposed to punish you ongoing.

[02:05:15] Right.

[02:05:16] Through history.

[02:05:17] Yeah.

[02:05:17] On and on and on and on.

[02:05:19] Mm-hmm.

[02:05:19] For these admitted flaws.

[02:05:22] Right.

[02:05:22] Inhuman.

[02:05:23] Right.

[02:05:23] Right.

[02:05:24] And I mean, the Jesus story is like the whole thing again.

[02:05:28] Like, oh, well, you'll never be good.

[02:05:30] You suck from birth.

[02:05:32] But at least Jesus will take that away from you.

[02:05:35] He'll wash your sins away.

[02:05:36] He'll clean.

[02:05:37] You've been cleaned in the blood of Christ.

[02:05:39] Sure.

[02:05:39] Right?

[02:05:40] Yeah.

[02:05:40] It's part of the same, like, re-up.

[02:05:42] The recognition that we're always going to be shitty.

[02:05:45] Yep.

[02:05:45] But the only thing that's changed between Christianity and Judaism is that they have

[02:05:50] stopped letting God kill everybody.

[02:05:52] Right.

[02:05:53] That's it.

[02:05:53] Only because history caught up and was like...

[02:05:56] Maybe not, guys.

[02:05:57] Yeah.

[02:05:58] Actually, magic isn't quite real, is it?

[02:06:01] I guess.

[02:06:02] Right.

[02:06:02] Like, hmm.

[02:06:03] There's not this overpowerful guy throwing birds at us.

[02:06:08] Yeah.

[02:06:08] Right.

[02:06:09] And I think that's obvious, right?

[02:06:11] Yeah.

[02:06:11] Just in the everyday course of your life, there is no obvious God.

[02:06:17] Right.

[02:06:18] Right.

[02:06:18] And even Christians know this.

[02:06:21] Right.

[02:06:21] They'll say they talk to God.

[02:06:22] They'll say that they do these things.

[02:06:24] But it's more of a being caught up in your own emotions and your own thoughts than it is

[02:06:30] an actual witnessing of an action by a God.

[02:06:34] No.

[02:06:34] They're never punished by God.

[02:06:36] When a bad thing happens, it's either the devil did it or it's in God's plan, but it's

[02:06:40] not a punishment.

[02:06:41] Right.

[02:06:41] God never punishes us anymore.

[02:06:43] Right.

[02:06:44] Ever.

[02:06:44] Yeah.

[02:06:45] We never get punished.

[02:06:46] Unless he does.

[02:06:47] Right.

[02:06:47] Unless, you know, it depends on which prophet-y preacher that you ask, because some might say

[02:06:54] that because we took prayer out of school and, you know, we're fighting for the gay agenda,

[02:07:00] that that's why we got Hurricane Katrina.

[02:07:02] I was going to say, God never punishes Christians anymore.

[02:07:05] Right.

[02:07:05] But God often punishes the non-Christian, right?

[02:07:08] Yeah.

[02:07:09] According to Christians.

[02:07:10] According to hardcore.

[02:07:12] Right.

[02:07:12] Radical Christians.

[02:07:14] Because I still remember, and this was awful, but that nightclub shooting that happened years

[02:07:19] ago, right?

[02:07:20] In Florida, wasn't it?

[02:07:21] Yeah, it was in Florida.

[02:07:22] Yeah.

[02:07:23] And it was a gay and lesbian nightclub, I think, or it was LGBTQ friendly at the very least,

[02:07:28] whatever the case was.

[02:07:31] And there was a lot of people that died that night.

[02:07:33] Yeah.

[02:07:33] And there was a lot of Christians that came out and said, well, they deserved it.

[02:07:38] Yeah.

[02:07:38] They had it coming.

[02:07:39] God punished them for their sins.

[02:07:40] Yeah.

[02:07:41] Like, wow.

[02:07:42] Right.

[02:07:43] Fuck you.

[02:07:43] Fuck you all the way to Mars and back.

[02:07:45] Yeah.

[02:07:46] No, that was like, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.

[02:07:48] Right.

[02:07:49] Like, that is not okay.

[02:07:50] No, it's not okay.

[02:07:54] I just can't imagine being in a place in my life where I feel like I have the right

[02:07:58] to pass judgment on people for having died.

[02:08:01] And all they did was go out dancing that night.

[02:08:03] Right?

[02:08:03] I just can't imagine that place.

[02:08:05] Right?

[02:08:06] I can't imagine what brings someone to that place and then they feel compelled to share

[02:08:14] that.

[02:08:21] Yay!

[02:08:22] People died.

[02:08:23] Awesome.

[02:08:23] I'm so excited.

[02:08:24] Yeah.

[02:08:25] You're not even the crazy one in the room.

[02:08:26] You're just one of many Christians saying right wing Christians.

[02:08:30] Radical Christians.

[02:08:32] You're one of many of them that are saying the same message.

[02:08:35] And it's just, it's sickening to me.

[02:08:37] Yeah.

[02:08:37] And part of why I want to read this Bible to find out where are they giving this shit?

[02:08:43] Well, you heard it here first.

[02:08:44] I know, I know, I know.

[02:08:45] But the same people will tell you that, well, God has forgiven us because Christ died for

[02:08:50] our sins.

[02:08:51] Yeah.

[02:08:51] The same people.

[02:08:52] And I think the hypocrisy is what gets a lot of people out of religion.

[02:08:57] Yes.

[02:08:57] They're like, wait, wait.

[02:08:59] You told me that this is a loving God now.

[02:09:02] Mm-hmm.

[02:09:02] And, and, but you're telling me that you also judge people and hate people.

[02:09:05] Right.

[02:09:05] That, that doesn't, that doesn't jive, man.

[02:09:08] Right.

[02:09:08] Like, uh, I'm going to, I'm going to examine this a little bit.

[02:09:11] Right.

[02:09:11] And the second they start asking questions is when they, you know, get either pushed out

[02:09:15] or they start not liking the answers.

[02:09:18] Yeah.

[02:09:18] And that's just it.

[02:09:19] Sometimes it's not even their own doing.

[02:09:20] People push them out for them.

[02:09:22] Yeah.

[02:09:22] They're like, oh, you weren't allowed to ask questions.

[02:09:24] And then they're like, what?

[02:09:25] Right.

[02:09:25] What do you mean I'm not allowed to ask questions?

[02:09:27] Hang on.

[02:09:28] Hang on.

[02:09:29] Who said that wasn't a rule?

[02:09:30] I thought.

[02:09:31] What?

[02:09:32] I, I read the 10 commandments.

[02:09:34] I read the devotionals that you sent me home with.

[02:09:38] Yeah.

[02:09:38] I read all the rules and don't ask questions was not in there.

[02:09:43] But damn it.

[02:09:43] We told you not to read about the talking donkey.

[02:09:45] Yeah.

[02:09:46] I mean, you went ahead and read about the talking donkey and now you got questions and fuck

[02:09:50] you for that.

[02:09:51] And you should just, uh, you're, you're a heathen.

[02:09:53] Sorry.

[02:09:54] Yep.

[02:09:54] All, all of your entire life means nothing now.

[02:09:57] Bye.

[02:09:58] No.

[02:09:59] It's, uh, we hear that story so often, not, not that story that we just told, but like

[02:10:04] similar, similar thoughts, similar cases, you know?

[02:10:07] So, so to grasp the heel was another phrase.

[02:10:10] And that also meant to go behind one's back in order to deceive or trick him.

[02:10:16] And this became the dominant characteristic of that man.

[02:10:19] Like once you got known as that.

[02:10:20] Yeah.

[02:10:20] A cheaty cheater.

[02:10:21] I see.

[02:10:22] Yeah.

[02:10:23] Yeah.

[02:10:23] You were that guy.

[02:10:24] So this is all to say ancient Jacob is an example of Israel's present deceit in this

[02:10:30] story.

[02:10:31] Interesting.

[02:10:32] Yeah.

[02:10:32] Such deceit has been a characteristic of Israel from the time of the nation's forefather,

[02:10:37] Jacob, the original Israel from birth.

[02:10:40] Jacob showed a desire to get his own way.

[02:10:43] Okay.

[02:10:44] Okay.

[02:10:45] Okay.

[02:10:45] As an adult, he struggled even with God only when he was forced finally to give in.

[02:10:50] Did he win the blessing?

[02:10:51] He's so eagerly desired.

[02:10:53] Hmm.

[02:10:53] He is reminded of the extraordinary favor of God to his father, Jacob and giving him the

[02:10:59] birthright.

[02:10:59] Right.

[02:11:00] Then the prophet recalls the struggle between Jacob and the man in Genesis chapter 32.

[02:11:06] That's when he fought in the desert.

[02:11:08] Jacob refused to submit to God.

[02:11:11] So God demanded submission from him in a literal wrestling match.

[02:11:15] And it depends who you ask.

[02:11:17] I know we covered this at the time.

[02:11:19] Was that God personified in human?

[02:11:22] Some people say yes, but then other people are like, no, he can't do that.

[02:11:28] It was an angel of the Lord.

[02:11:28] It was an angel of the Lord as they referred to it in the Bible.

[02:11:32] Right.

[02:11:33] And then others are like, it didn't really happen.

[02:11:36] It's a metaphor.

[02:11:37] Right.

[02:11:39] Something that's occurring to me right now.

[02:11:41] And that's that this had to have been like the theme we've been discussing, right?

[02:11:46] This whole how humans are constantly fucking up and this whole bit about Jacob and everything

[02:11:51] like that.

[02:11:51] Prior to Christianity, this had to have been the major focus of what Israelites, Jewish

[02:11:58] people understood their religion to be.

[02:12:00] Right.

[02:12:01] The continual not correctness of their own people, which translates into Christianity

[02:12:07] somewhat because, you know, we recognize that same thing.

[02:12:11] Right.

[02:12:11] We only are redeemed by, you know, worshiping Christ or whatever.

[02:12:17] Right.

[02:12:17] So there is the same thing.

[02:12:20] Theme is present from the beginning to the end of the Bible, which minus all of the other

[02:12:26] shitty stuff that happens in there.

[02:12:28] It's kind of cool.

[02:12:29] Right.

[02:12:30] It's kind of cool.

[02:12:31] It is.

[02:12:31] They stuck to a theme.

[02:12:32] I was going to say the unifying theme that threads its way through from beginning to

[02:12:36] end is humanity has sucked from inception, from the womb, from the time it first landed

[02:12:43] on the planet.

[02:12:44] And I can attest to the fact that we suck.

[02:12:46] Sure.

[02:12:46] You know, I so I right.

[02:12:48] And I think any any anything that's going to persist in society that's a religion or

[02:12:55] an idea has to have some semblance of truth.

[02:12:58] Right.

[02:12:58] I feel like this is that semblance of truth that exists in this religion.

[02:13:02] Sure.

[02:13:02] That that humans suck.

[02:13:04] Sure.

[02:13:04] Right.

[02:13:05] We can all we can all agree on that.

[02:13:07] It's just a matter of which one of us sucks.

[02:13:09] Right.

[02:13:10] And this this the religion gives us the ability to blame whoever we want.

[02:13:13] Right.

[02:13:13] But not me personally, humanity as a whole.

[02:13:16] But I mean, obviously, I'm godly.

[02:13:19] Yeah.

[02:13:19] That person over there.

[02:13:20] Don't know.

[02:13:21] But I don't know about my neighbor because they wore their shirt backwards.

[02:13:25] And you know how that be.

[02:13:26] Yeah.

[02:13:27] You know.

[02:13:28] Yeah.

[02:13:29] They wore white shoes after Labor Day.

[02:13:31] Holy fuck.

[02:13:33] Those pants.

[02:13:34] No shoes.

[02:13:35] Well, actually, I think it's white in general.

[02:13:37] Like you wear white after Labor Day.

[02:13:39] Right.

[02:13:39] But a lot of times it has to do with like the shoes that you wear with your dress.

[02:13:44] Yeah.

[02:13:44] You know, your Easter Bonadie shit.

[02:13:46] You know, it has to do with like it's a class thing.

[02:13:49] Right.

[02:13:49] Yeah.

[02:13:49] So.

[02:13:50] OK.

[02:13:50] Yeah.

[02:13:50] All right.

[02:13:50] Of course.

[02:13:51] Everything is.

[02:13:52] Spell it out for the class here.

[02:13:54] But the the people that would wear white would be your white collar workers.

[02:13:59] And so the after Labor Day not wearing white was to show who were the white collar workers.

[02:14:05] Yeah.

[02:14:06] Like obviously they are not part of Labor Day.

[02:14:08] They are not laborers.

[02:14:10] So.

[02:14:10] Yeah.

[02:14:11] That's all.

[02:14:11] Yeah.

[02:14:12] I was pointing that out.

[02:14:13] Yeah.

[02:14:14] They're the poor.

[02:14:15] No, they're the rich.

[02:14:16] No.

[02:14:16] I mean, you know what I'm saying.

[02:14:18] Right.

[02:14:19] I had it backwards.

[02:14:20] I'm saying it backwards.

[02:14:21] Labor Day was for the laborers.

[02:14:24] Right.

[02:14:24] So they were.

[02:14:26] No one liked the rich.

[02:14:27] Right.

[02:14:28] We still don't like the rich.

[02:14:29] Like we like to see their downfall.

[02:14:32] That's a that's a thing.

[02:14:33] Right.

[02:14:34] Right.

[02:14:34] So it was always a thing to point out.

[02:14:37] Oh, there goes the rich motherfucker over there.

[02:14:39] OK.

[02:14:39] I had it backwards.

[02:14:40] Sorry.

[02:14:41] That's all.

[02:14:41] That's twice.

[02:14:42] You don't wear white after Labor Day.

[02:14:44] Got it.

[02:14:45] OK.

[02:14:45] My bad.

[02:14:46] Whatever.

[02:14:48] Anyway.

[02:14:49] Yeah.

[02:14:50] All right.

[02:14:50] So the last half of this chapter is about though Israel is confident in its wealth.

[02:14:57] God will bring them low.

[02:14:58] OK.

[02:14:59] So they're like, we're doing fine and we don't really need to like bend back on what we're

[02:15:06] doing because we're rich and stuff.

[02:15:07] God's like, well, hold my beer.

[02:15:10] Right.

[02:15:10] Yeah.

[02:15:10] Yeah.

[02:15:11] Ephraim is accused of pursuing practices that are deceitful while pretending to be honest.

[02:15:17] He kept a, quote, weight and a weight.

[02:15:21] OK.

[02:15:22] A weight and a weight.

[02:15:23] That is a heavy one to buy with and a light one to sell by.

[02:15:28] OK.

[02:15:29] So that way he's always getting the best.

[02:15:31] We're talking about the scales.

[02:15:33] Yes.

[02:15:33] The scales are heavy and light.

[02:15:35] Yes.

[02:15:35] Yeah.

[02:15:35] The weights for the scales.

[02:15:36] Yeah.

[02:15:36] He's always getting the best deal, whether he's on the purchasing or seller's end.

[02:15:41] Got it.

[02:15:41] OK.

[02:15:41] Yeah.

[02:15:42] And they're doing that to each other.

[02:15:43] So like nobody's getting a good deal.

[02:15:46] Sure.

[02:15:46] But they're all pretending to be like fair and honest, even as they're doing this shit.

[02:15:51] Right.

[02:15:51] So Hosea prophecy during a time of great prosperity, as I said, but spiritual and moral decadence in Israel.

[02:16:00] When things are good financially, it's hard for people to believe that their society is in trouble.

[02:16:05] And that's where that's when your book banning start.

[02:16:10] JK.

[02:16:12] So, yeah.

[02:16:13] Anyway, merchants have become wealthy by cheating and oppressing the poor.

[02:16:18] But now they are to receive a fitting justice.

[02:16:22] They have used their wealth to bribe judges and administrators, but they cannot use it to bribe God because, you know, God knows.

[02:16:31] Their prosperous cities and luxurious houses will be destroyed.

[02:16:36] And the people of Israel will be forced to live in tents as they did on their journey from Egypt to Canaan.

[02:16:42] Not that.

[02:16:42] Oh, that's that's where I got it mixed up.

[02:16:45] OK, that makes better sense.

[02:16:46] I was like, I knew that I was going to be talking about the exodus in here somewhere.

[02:16:52] I just put it all together as one.

[02:16:54] Got it.

[02:16:55] Got it.

[02:16:55] This was an experience that Israelites were called each year, the living in tents and all that.

[02:17:00] Yeah.

[02:17:01] When they lived in a small temporary shelters during the Feast of Tabernacles.

[02:17:06] OK.

[02:17:07] Remember that?

[02:17:07] Yeah, I thought it was something.

[02:17:08] Yeah, we were trying to remember it last time.

[02:17:10] I thought it was a festival of shelters or something like that.

[02:17:11] But I think that might have been called something different when we were reading through it.

[02:17:15] It might have been that as well.

[02:17:16] Yeah.

[02:17:16] I don't remember.

[02:17:17] There were some that had more than one name.

[02:17:19] That might have been one of them.

[02:17:20] Sure.

[02:17:20] So God had used prophets to speak to his people in many ways.

[02:17:25] Sure, he did.

[02:17:26] Right.

[02:17:27] You know, according to them.

[02:17:28] Yeah.

[02:17:28] According to those prophets.

[02:17:29] Yeah.

[02:17:29] But we've talked about this before.

[02:17:31] Like, but there were people making claims of all sorts.

[02:17:34] Yeah.

[02:17:34] And you had no way of knowing which one was actually speaking for God or the word of God or the book of God or what.

[02:17:41] Right.

[02:17:41] Other than their word.

[02:17:42] Yeah.

[02:17:42] Their word.

[02:17:43] Not God's word.

[02:17:44] Yeah.

[02:17:44] Their word.

[02:17:45] You just had to know.

[02:17:46] Right.

[02:17:47] Yep.

[02:17:47] But the people repeatedly ignored the messages and are now to suffer the consequences.

[02:17:53] Heathen altars that have been built high and stately to add dignity to the pagan gods will now be destroyed.

[02:18:01] Again.

[02:18:01] And left like heaps of stone in a field.

[02:18:04] Yes.

[02:18:05] Again.

[02:18:06] Yeah.

[02:18:07] Yeah.

[02:18:07] God then threatens to deprive his people of their possessions as they have rejected every means of reformation and given themselves up to gross impieties.

[02:18:19] Yeah.

[02:18:20] Verse nine reads, I have been the Lord your God ever since you came out of Egypt.

[02:18:25] I will make you live in tents again as in the days of your appointed festivals.

[02:18:30] Okay.

[02:18:31] Yeah.

[02:18:31] So as in another translation reads, as in the days of the solemn feast.

[02:18:38] Okay.

[02:18:39] Which both of these allude to the feast of tabernacles, which commemorates the Israelites dwelling in tents in the wilderness.

[02:18:46] And that was described in Leviticus chapter 23.

[02:18:49] Got it.

[02:18:49] The materials to make the tabernacles are willow trees of the brook, palm trees, olive trees, and myrtle trees.

[02:18:56] Okay.

[02:18:57] Just so you know.

[02:18:58] Sure.

[02:18:58] Sounds great.

[02:18:59] You know all those trees?

[02:19:00] You're going to be making tents out of that shit if you don't get straight.

[02:19:04] Okay.

[02:19:05] And they're like, whatever.

[02:19:06] Yeah.

[02:19:07] So reproach will return upon Ephraim.

[02:19:11] Okay.

[02:19:11] That's what's going to happen as we're approaching the end of this chapter.

[02:19:15] Got it.

[02:19:16] The previous passage brought up the impending exile of Israel.

[02:19:19] And now Hosea makes a connection between the coming exile of Israel and Jacob's exile when he fled from Esau to his uncle Laban in Syria.

[02:19:31] Okay.

[02:19:31] Yeah.

[02:19:32] Jacob was a shepherd who looked after sheep.

[02:19:34] But Moses was a shepherd who looked after people.

[02:19:38] He was a prophet who led God's people, Israel.

[02:19:42] But just as the people of Israel rebelled against Moses, so they have rebelled against all the prophets after him.

[02:19:49] Right.

[02:19:49] Their rebellion against God's messengers is really a rebellion against God himself.

[02:19:55] But again, I don't see how you can say that when they don't know that God is speaking at all.

[02:20:01] No, I agree.

[02:20:02] I agree.

[02:20:03] They have made God angry with them.

[02:20:06] God is big mad.

[02:20:09] Yeah.

[02:20:09] And thereby have made their own punishment certain.

[02:20:13] And as an aggravation of their guilt, they are reminded from what humble beginnings they had been raised.

[02:20:19] I just want to point out that if there was a prophet in town for Baal, right?

[02:20:24] And this person was like, hey, and saying basically the same things, right?

[02:20:29] That Baal is angry because, you know, you're not, you're worshiping this other God over there.

[02:20:34] And he's going to punish you.

[02:20:36] But you could say the exact same fucking thing.

[02:20:39] Just fill in the blank.

[02:20:40] We don't know that they weren't.

[02:20:41] Right.

[02:20:42] And so how is anybody supposed to distinguish between those two gods?

[02:20:47] That's just two gods.

[02:20:48] There was multiple gods.

[02:20:49] Right.

[02:20:49] Right.

[02:20:50] Like, I don't know how you're supposed to figure out which one's correct.

[02:20:53] And I think that most of the people probably were like, I don't really give a fuck, guys.

[02:20:58] Like, which one do you want us to worship today for what's the reason?

[02:21:01] Okay.

[02:21:02] Oh, we're having a festival today?

[02:21:03] Awesome.

[02:21:04] Okay, cool.

[02:21:06] What's next week?

[02:21:07] Okay.

[02:21:07] All right.

[02:21:08] Got it.

[02:21:08] Yeah.

[02:21:09] No, I totally agree.

[02:21:10] It doesn't make any fucking sense.

[02:21:11] Right.

[02:21:12] You can't just say this one dude had all the answers and the rest of them suck.

[02:21:16] Well, okay.

[02:21:16] So one might say the same thing about Jesus today, right?

[02:21:20] Like when we ask, but what about the people who aren't like English speaking, you know,

[02:21:26] countries and they live in like forests somewhere, like the force of Africa, for example, or whatever.

[02:21:32] Sure.

[02:21:32] Okay.

[02:21:32] And they've never heard of a Jesus.

[02:21:34] Right.

[02:21:35] Like, what about them?

[02:21:36] So they're just doomed to hell, right?

[02:21:37] Because they didn't take Jesus as their savior.

[02:21:39] Right.

[02:21:39] And then I swear on all that is not holy that I have heard people actually answer this with

[02:21:47] a straight face that Jesus visits them and lets them know.

[02:21:51] Yeah.

[02:21:52] And I'm like.

[02:21:53] I've heard that too.

[02:21:54] So hold on.

[02:21:55] If you had never fucking told me about it in the first place with your goddamn missionaries,

[02:22:00] I would be fine.

[02:22:02] Yeah.

[02:22:03] Like I wouldn't have to make the choice.

[02:22:05] Right.

[02:22:05] But because a missionary came and visited me now, now I'm fucked.

[02:22:10] Right.

[02:22:10] Like, thanks missionary.

[02:22:11] Yeah.

[02:22:11] Last generation, they were fine.

[02:22:12] But since you showed up this, this decade, they're fucked.

[02:22:15] I didn't even know about hell.

[02:22:17] Right.

[02:22:17] Like now there's a hell.

[02:22:20] Yeah.

[02:22:20] Thanks.

[02:22:20] Thanks for coming, man.

[02:22:21] Right.

[02:22:22] Right.

[02:22:22] Ruined my day.

[02:22:23] Right.

[02:22:23] So I imagine that that's what the answer would be from religious people.

[02:22:29] Well, they would just know a different way.

[02:22:31] When you ask, which one were they supposed to believe?

[02:22:35] But we're not even talking about prophets spreading the word now.

[02:22:37] Right.

[02:22:38] We're just talking about people.

[02:22:40] Right.

[02:22:40] Yeah.

[02:22:40] But that's what I'm saying, though.

[02:22:42] The answer to your question is, how did they know which person to believe?

[02:22:47] Right.

[02:22:48] And so the answer to that question is because God would have told them.

[02:22:52] Hmm.

[02:22:53] It's circular logic.

[02:22:54] It's God is telling them what the prophet.

[02:22:56] Yeah.

[02:22:57] But which one should they believe?

[02:22:58] Well, they should know because the prophet is telling them.

[02:23:00] But how do they know which prophet?

[02:23:02] Well, they should know which one the prophet is right.

[02:23:05] But how they just do.

[02:23:07] Right.

[02:23:07] Is the answer.

[02:23:08] Yeah.

[02:23:08] Like what?

[02:23:10] Do you even hear yourself?

[02:23:11] No, it makes absolutely no sense.

[02:23:13] No, it doesn't.

[02:23:14] The divine judgments about to fall upon Israel are declared to be the result of great provocation.

[02:23:20] Like I said, God big man.

[02:23:22] Yeah.

[02:23:22] Yeah.

[02:23:23] So verse 12 reads, Jacob fled to the country of Aram.

[02:23:28] Israel served to get a wife and to pay for her.

[02:23:31] He tended sheep.

[02:23:33] Okay.

[02:23:33] That is like a really weird verse.

[02:23:36] But he's talking about back when, you know, Jacob fled to this other country and then he served Laban.

[02:23:45] Yeah.

[02:23:45] To get first one wife and then another seven years for the other wife that he had actually wanted in the first goddamn place.

[02:23:51] Right.

[02:23:52] Right.

[02:23:52] So Paddan means field in Arabic and Aram is Syria.

[02:23:58] So remember when we first read through that part of the Bible and I was always saying Paddan Aram is Bananarama.

[02:24:07] Yeah.

[02:24:07] Yeah.

[02:24:08] So what they're basically saying really is the Syrian fields or the fields of Syria.

[02:24:13] Okay.

[02:24:14] Okay.

[02:24:14] So Jacob fled to Syria.

[02:24:16] Got it.

[02:24:17] Okay.

[02:24:17] Yeah.

[02:24:18] And that's the place where Jacob ran away from his brother Esau back in Genesis.

[02:24:23] Okay.

[02:24:24] He served for a wife and for a wife he kept sheep.

[02:24:27] He served for a wife refers to the period which Jacob spent as a shepherd working for Laban, his uncle, to marry his two wives, Leah and Rachel, Laban's daughters.

[02:24:36] I like how they just skip over the part.

[02:24:37] Laban was a motherfucker who tricked him and made him marry his ugly daughter and then kindly allowed him to work another seven years for the pretty one that he had wanted.

[02:24:48] Like Laban's a son of a bitch.

[02:24:50] Let's just say it.

[02:24:51] Yeah.

[02:24:51] You know?

[02:24:52] Yeah.

[02:24:52] He served for seven years for each wife.

[02:24:55] And again, that's from Genesis.

[02:24:57] So verse 13 reads, the Lord used a prophet to bring Israel up from Egypt by a prophet he cared for him.

[02:25:05] And we were like, I don't, that's too many.

[02:25:07] Prophets.

[02:25:08] Yeah.

[02:25:08] That's words and comparisons and I don't.

[02:25:11] Okay.

[02:25:12] So there's another translation that reads, and by a prophet the Lord brought Israel out of Egypt and by a prophet was he preserved rather than he cared for him.

[02:25:24] Okay.

[02:25:24] Okay.

[02:25:25] By a prophet denotes Moses.

[02:25:27] Okay.

[02:25:27] The Lord used a prophet to bring Israel up from Egypt and by a prophet the Lord brought Israel out of Egypt.

[02:25:34] Both of those, regardless of the translation, are talking about Moses.

[02:25:38] Okay.

[02:25:38] Yeah.

[02:25:39] So the second half of that is either by a prophet he cared for him or by a prophet was he preserved.

[02:25:45] And whether it's cared for him or preserved, that's making an allusion to the same Hebrew word meaning kept sheep.

[02:25:54] Okay.

[02:25:55] But Israel was kept by God as his flock even as Jacob kept sheep.

[02:25:59] Got it.

[02:26:00] Okay.

[02:26:00] So that's what that meant.

[02:26:01] All right.

[02:26:01] Okay.

[02:26:02] So that was chapter 12.

[02:26:03] Do you feel more enlightened now?

[02:26:04] Do you feel a little bit better?

[02:26:05] I mean, I've had some, I actually have had some, you know, eye-opening.

[02:26:10] Yeah.

[02:26:10] Yeah.

[02:26:10] So I'm happy for what we've learned so far.

[02:26:13] It's still, there's a lot about the Bible and how God interacts with his people or whatever the fuck he does that makes, it's never going to make sense because it just doesn't make sense.

[02:26:25] For me, there's too many layers of metaphor on top of actual people doing things on top of history on top of, but now we're making more metaphors.

[02:26:35] Right.

[02:26:35] There's too many layers for me to follow and that pisses me off because I'm not a stupid person, but I'm not like an overly bright one either.

[02:26:42] And I just feel like God should really be trying harder with me.

[02:26:46] You know?

[02:26:47] No.

[02:26:47] I think that, yeah, God likes to punish in generalizations and praise in generalizations, right?

[02:26:54] He praises swaths of people.

[02:26:56] Right.

[02:26:56] And he punishes swaths of people.

[02:26:58] Yeah.

[02:26:58] And neither one of those methods is correct or good.

[02:27:02] No.

[02:27:03] You know?

[02:27:03] No.

[02:27:04] And, and it's lazy.

[02:27:05] It's lazy.

[02:27:06] And, and I don't feel like it's a, uh, a good representation of a God who supposedly knows everyone's heart.

[02:27:14] Yeah.

[02:27:15] You know, like that, that does not track with me and in regard to how a God that knows everything should operate.

[02:27:23] I've compared it before to the teacher who walks into a room, a classroom and two kids are making all the noise.

[02:27:30] You know who it is.

[02:27:30] Everybody knows who it is.

[02:27:32] But the teacher makes the whole class write sentences.

[02:27:35] Right.

[02:27:35] Because it's just easier.

[02:27:36] Yeah.

[02:27:37] Than calling out the two bad ones because you already called them out too many times.

[02:27:41] Right.

[02:27:41] Yeah.

[02:27:42] Yeah.

[02:27:42] Like, just everybody take out your pencils.

[02:27:45] Class was loud.

[02:27:46] Write sentences.

[02:27:46] And then the one, you know, usually me that's like, but I wasn't talking.

[02:27:50] You see me with my book.

[02:27:51] Then you get extra in trouble.

[02:27:52] Yeah.

[02:27:53] Right.

[02:27:53] Yeah.

[02:27:54] Like, I swore when I was a child that if I ever had children, that if my kids came to me and said,

[02:28:01] I was punished for other people's bad behavior, that I would march into the school and be like,

[02:28:07] absolutely fucking not.

[02:28:09] Like, another example is a kid is late to school.

[02:28:13] Now, we're talking elementary school.

[02:28:15] Right.

[02:28:15] Or even middle school.

[02:28:16] Before age 16, when they're reliant on parents or buses or friends, they are not able to drive

[02:28:25] themselves.

[02:28:25] Right.

[02:28:26] They're reliant on somebody else to get to school.

[02:28:28] But if they're late, they get detention.

[02:28:31] What the ever loving fuck is that?

[02:28:34] Right.

[02:28:35] Why is the child in trouble?

[02:28:37] Why are not you fining the parent?

[02:28:40] Right.

[02:28:40] Right.

[02:28:41] Like, you want my kid at school?

[02:28:43] Don't punish my kid.

[02:28:44] Here, come to this place where you get in trouble for somebody else's crimes all the fucking time.

[02:28:49] Like, what is more Christian than that?

[02:28:54] And they say there's not Christian education in school.

[02:28:57] Exactly.

[02:28:58] Yeah.

[02:28:58] All right.

[02:28:58] Moving on to chapter 13.

[02:29:00] The destruction of Israel.

[02:29:02] Okay?

[02:29:03] Yeah.

[02:29:04] Yeah.

[02:29:05] You're enthusiastic.

[02:29:07] No, it's just like, here we go again.

[02:29:10] Right.

[02:29:10] Destroy fucking Israel.

[02:29:12] Yeah.

[02:29:13] Scholars suggest that chapters 13 and 14, the final two chapters of the book of Hosea, probably

[02:29:19] belong to the troubled times that followed Pekah's murder by Hosea.

[02:29:25] Pekah was the 18th and penultimate, meaning second to last, king of Israel.

[02:29:30] Got it.

[02:29:31] Hosea succeeded him in or around 732 BCE.

[02:29:36] Okay.

[02:29:36] Deuteronomistic history records the event in 2 Kings chapter 15.

[02:29:41] Okay?

[02:29:42] Yeah.

[02:29:42] So that's when this whole thing takes place.

[02:29:44] Okay.

[02:29:45] Okay.

[02:29:45] The subject of this chapter and the following one, so 13 and 14, is the idolatry of the kingdom

[02:29:51] of Israel, referred to as Ephraim or Samaria, just that one time in verse 16.

[02:29:57] Right.

[02:29:57] Not withstanding God's past benefits destined to be the country's ruined.

[02:30:03] Ruin.

[02:30:04] Okay.

[02:30:04] All right.

[02:30:05] So verses 1 through 8 are about two pictures of judgment.

[02:30:09] This chapter begins with observing that the fear of God leads to prosperity, but sin leads

[02:30:16] to ruin.

[02:30:17] So you're supposed to never not be afraid.

[02:30:19] Always fear God.

[02:30:20] Right.

[02:30:20] And then you'll be fine.

[02:30:21] Yeah.

[02:30:21] You'll get lots of prizes if you're just always walking around looking over your shoulder

[02:30:25] and trembling.

[02:30:25] Well, you know, I do want to say that fear sells.

[02:30:29] Yeah.

[02:30:29] You know?

[02:30:30] It sure as fuck does.

[02:30:30] Fear is a very good motivator for people.

[02:30:34] It's how the NRA stays afloat.

[02:30:37] Fear.

[02:30:38] The NRA?

[02:30:38] Yeah.

[02:30:39] Fear.

[02:30:40] They're like pushing the-

[02:30:41] Oh, the national-

[02:30:42] Sorry.

[02:30:42] I was thinking like CIA.

[02:30:44] I wasn't the National Rifle Association.

[02:30:46] Yeah.

[02:30:46] The NRA.

[02:30:47] They're like, you need a gun for self-protection because everybody is two seconds from raping you.

[02:30:52] Right.

[02:30:52] It's how Fox makes-

[02:30:53] Yeah.

[02:30:54] How they get viewers because they constantly keep their viewers in fear of everything that's

[02:30:59] happening.

[02:30:59] That's what I'm saying.

[02:31:00] Yep.

[02:31:01] So this chapter begins with, oh, yeah.

[02:31:04] God leads to prosperity and sin leads to ruin.

[02:31:07] Okay.

[02:31:07] Yeah.

[02:31:08] A truth most visibly exemplified in the sin and punishment of Ephraim.

[02:31:14] As an aggravation of their guilt, God reminds them of his former favors, which they had shamefully

[02:31:22] abused, and which now exposed them to dreadful punishments.

[02:31:26] Okay?

[02:31:27] Yeah.

[02:31:27] So Ephraim prided itself that it was the leading tribe in Israel and that the other tribes did as Ephraim told them.

[02:31:35] So there was like one verse that was like, when they spoke, the people trembled.

[02:31:39] Yeah.

[02:31:39] It sounded like they were talking about God.

[02:31:41] Right.

[02:31:42] But they're not.

[02:31:43] The way they were referring to Ephraim.

[02:31:44] Yeah.

[02:31:44] Yeah.

[02:31:44] They're talking about Ephraim.

[02:31:45] And basically, any time the king in Ephraim told his subjects to do a thing, they jumped.

[02:31:51] They were more afraid of their human leader than of God.

[02:31:54] Right.

[02:31:55] Ephraim must therefore bear the responsibility for the development of Baal worship in Israel.

[02:32:01] As the morning dew quickly vanishes with the rising of the sun, so Ephraim and all the other

[02:32:08] tribes with it will soon disappear.

[02:32:10] Which is funny because later God-

[02:32:12] And we're going to talk about that.

[02:32:12] That was our big question was, hold on.

[02:32:15] God later is like, the dew is great.

[02:32:17] And we're like, no, but here in the first beginning of the chapter, you said it's bad.

[02:32:21] Yeah.

[02:32:21] Yeah.

[02:32:21] We'll get into that.

[02:32:22] Okay.

[02:32:23] All right.

[02:32:23] All right.

[02:32:24] So God saved the Israelites from slavery, he says.

[02:32:27] Sure.

[02:32:28] Right.

[02:32:29] Looked after them in the wilderness, threw birds at them, and gave them a land.

[02:32:33] Actually threw snakes at them too.

[02:32:35] Yeah.

[02:32:36] Yeah.

[02:32:36] You remember that?

[02:32:36] Yeah.

[02:32:37] Yeah.

[02:32:37] And gave them a land that was already filled with people that they failed to subdue.

[02:32:41] Yeah.

[02:32:41] But in their prosperity, they forgot them.

[02:32:44] So God will now destroy them.

[02:32:46] There will be no escape.

[02:32:48] God tempers these awful threats with gracious promises and on their repentance promises to

[02:32:55] save them when no other could protect them.

[02:32:58] He's like, stop trusting your neighbors.

[02:33:00] I got you.

[02:33:01] Right.

[02:33:02] Alas, instead of repenting, Ephraim is full of sin and iniquity.

[02:33:07] Those fuckers.

[02:33:09] Notwithstanding this, God promises to put forth his almighty power on behalf of his people.

[02:33:14] Mm-hmm.

[02:33:14] And as it were, raise them from the dead.

[02:33:18] Right.

[02:33:18] Like we were like, whoa, are you talking about zombies?

[02:33:20] Hold on, what?

[02:33:21] Although in the meantime, they must be visited with great national calamities.

[02:33:26] Got it.

[02:33:27] Before he gets around to like saving them.

[02:33:29] Now what he was talking about was Sheol and the fear of like burning in an afterlife.

[02:33:36] So he wasn't like raising them from the dead, like from their grave.

[02:33:40] He was-

[02:33:41] From making sure they didn't go to hell, the Jewish hell.

[02:33:45] Yeah.

[02:33:45] It's the beginning of a heavenly afterlife.

[02:33:50] Got it.

[02:33:50] Okay.

[02:33:51] Is what he-

[02:33:51] He's not quite saying you're going to go to the heaven.

[02:33:54] He's-

[02:33:54] But he is saying, but you're not going to go to hell though.

[02:33:57] Got it.

[02:33:57] Okay.

[02:33:58] Okay.

[02:33:58] So we will save you from that, but you have to, you know, accept God and do good.

[02:34:04] And stop being a cheater or whatever.

[02:34:06] Okay.

[02:34:07] Israel's original desire for a king was a rejection of God.

[02:34:11] Remember when they were like, we want a king.

[02:34:13] We need a leader.

[02:34:15] The people will now find that the king will not give them the security they hoped for.

[02:34:20] And that's because the kings were all greedy, greedy fucks and did bad.

[02:34:24] Right.

[02:34:24] Generally speaking.

[02:34:25] Yeah.

[02:34:25] The monarchy as well as the nation is doomed.

[02:34:28] So it's not just the commoners.

[02:34:30] It's all the way up to the king.

[02:34:32] Okay.

[02:34:32] Uh-huh.

[02:34:32] They're all going to-

[02:34:33] They're all going to die.

[02:34:35] Right.

[02:34:36] Israel has been piling up sin for years.

[02:34:39] God has just been letting them pile up them sin after sin after sin.

[02:34:42] He's like, I'm going to give you a rope.

[02:34:44] Sure.

[02:34:44] Here's the rope.

[02:34:44] Hang yourself.

[02:34:45] Right.

[02:34:45] And the punishment for that sin is now to fall upon it in the form of national destruction.

[02:34:52] There is hope of salvation and new life if the nation responds to God, but it stubbornly refuses to.

[02:34:59] Of course they do.

[02:35:00] Yeah.

[02:35:01] It is like an unborn child.

[02:35:03] Do you remember me going off about this?

[02:35:05] Yep.

[02:35:05] It is like an unborn child which, when the time for birth has come, refuses to come out of its mother's womb and so dies.

[02:35:14] Right.

[02:35:15] Yeah.

[02:35:15] I was like, you cannot.

[02:35:18] No.

[02:35:19] You need to just never talk about birth and labor and the pains of labor and pregnancy and menstruation.

[02:35:26] You just need to never talk about a woman's body and whatever happens to it.

[02:35:30] Right.

[02:35:31] You dumb men.

[02:35:32] Just stop.

[02:35:33] Right.

[02:35:33] There can be no more mercy now.

[02:35:36] Okay.

[02:35:37] Death is certain.

[02:35:38] Oh.

[02:35:38] It's like, fuck all y'all.

[02:35:39] You didn't repent.

[02:35:40] Therefore, you're all going to die.

[02:35:41] Right.

[02:35:42] As a hot wind from the desert can destroy the countryside, so the Assyrian army will destroy Israel.

[02:35:50] It will show no mercy.

[02:35:53] Sweep the leg.

[02:35:56] Karate Kid reference.

[02:35:58] Yes.

[02:35:58] Yes.

[02:35:58] I was wondering if you actually knew that one.

[02:36:01] I did.

[02:36:01] I did.

[02:36:01] Sweep the leg.

[02:36:02] Yeah.

[02:36:02] That's what happened at the end of Karate Kid.

[02:36:05] It is.

[02:36:05] Yeah.

[02:36:06] Yeah.

[02:36:06] All right.

[02:36:07] Final chapter of Hosea.

[02:36:09] Are you ready for this?

[02:36:10] I'm ready.

[02:36:10] Chapter 14.

[02:36:11] Yep.

[02:36:11] Okay.

[02:36:12] Real wisdom turns Israel back to the Lord, and Israel is entreated to return.

[02:36:18] Okay.

[02:36:19] All right.

[02:36:19] This chapter concludes the prophecies attributed to the prophet Hosea with an exhortation to

[02:36:25] repentance, a promise of God's blessing, and a concluding verse resembling the wisdom tradition.

[02:36:32] Remember we talked about books that were like part of the wisdom tradition.

[02:36:38] These were just like, kind of like Proverbs.

[02:36:41] Okay.

[02:36:41] You know, writings.

[02:36:43] It was a little different.

[02:36:44] Yeah.

[02:36:45] They're not a real actual story per se.

[02:36:49] Sure.

[02:36:50] Just like wise allegories or wise suggestions kind of things.

[02:36:56] Okay.

[02:36:57] So, here's how the chapter opens.

[02:36:59] Israel's repentance and God's response.

[02:37:01] By the terrible denunciation of vengeance, which concludes the preceding chapter, the prophet

[02:37:07] Hosea is led to exhort Israel to repentance.

[02:37:10] He's like, please, please stop being bad boys.

[02:37:13] Right.

[02:37:14] Furnishing them with a beautiful form of prayer, very suitable to the occasion.

[02:37:18] So, I kind of forgot about this until I was rereading it.

[02:37:22] He does give them like, this is the prayer you have, like it's a specific, this is the

[02:37:27] prayer that you will read.

[02:37:28] This is what you say and that is how you repent.

[02:37:31] Okay.

[02:37:32] Okay.

[02:37:32] Right.

[02:37:32] And it's very similar to the Lord's prayer.

[02:37:35] You know, our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name.

[02:37:37] Right.

[02:37:37] That thing.

[02:37:37] Yeah.

[02:37:38] Like, do you know the rest of it?

[02:37:40] We've said it before on the air.

[02:37:41] Okay.

[02:37:42] But yes, I know the rest of it.

[02:37:43] Okay.

[02:37:43] All right.

[02:37:44] Upon which God, ever ready to pardon the penitent, is introduced making large promises

[02:37:50] of blessings in allusion to those copious dues which refresh the green herbs and which frequently

[02:37:59] denote not only temporal salvation, but also the rich and refreshing comforts of the gospel.

[02:38:06] The gospel, you know, that's the New Testament.

[02:38:09] This is from, this is, this is from the, yes.

[02:38:13] Yeah.

[02:38:13] That's the word I was looking for.

[02:38:14] I couldn't think of the word.

[02:38:15] Thank you.

[02:38:15] I'm like, what?

[02:38:16] Okay.

[02:38:16] Yeah.

[02:38:17] That's the apologist is like, this is speaking of, you know, Christ to come because that's

[02:38:23] what they had in mind when they wrote that way back when.

[02:38:26] Yeah.

[02:38:26] Sure.

[02:38:27] Okay.

[02:38:28] So God loves Israel in spite of its sin and rebellion.

[02:38:31] He's like, I love you motherfuckers.

[02:38:33] You gross, disgusting worms.

[02:38:36] You mountain.

[02:38:36] Right.

[02:38:37] You worm.

[02:38:38] And he still desires the people's repentance rather than their destruction, which he shows

[02:38:43] all the time by always destroying them.

[02:38:46] He even gives them the words of confession to use in asking his forgiveness.

[02:38:52] So he's like, just see these magic words.

[02:38:54] It's like a spell.

[02:38:55] And then everything will be good.

[02:38:57] I don't feel like that's very heartfelt, though.

[02:38:58] No.

[02:38:59] Just memorize this and just say it.

[02:39:01] Okay.

[02:39:01] Just say it.

[02:39:02] Right.

[02:39:02] Okay.

[02:39:03] In this prayer, they acknowledge their sin.

[02:39:05] I'm such a piece of shit and promise that they will no longer look to foreign nations

[02:39:09] for help.

[02:39:10] I promise not to call Assyria and Egypt for help anymore.

[02:39:14] And I'm still a piece of shit.

[02:39:16] And they're pieces of shit, too.

[02:39:17] We're all pieces of shit.

[02:39:19] But I promise no more Assyria and no more Egypt, even though they're probably going to

[02:39:24] kill me.

[02:39:25] Right.

[02:39:25] Because that's what they do.

[02:39:27] And we're just this little nation in between.

[02:39:29] Yeah.

[02:39:29] But okay.

[02:39:30] Okay, God.

[02:39:31] I'm going to trust you because that's what you want me to do.

[02:39:34] Of course, I don't speak for the rest of my neighbors or the king or whatever.

[02:39:38] I'm just a little person in my fucking house.

[02:39:40] Right.

[02:39:40] But okay, God, I'm giving it to you.

[02:39:43] Yeah.

[02:39:43] Okay.

[02:39:43] Yeah.

[02:39:44] They will not worship man-made gods.

[02:39:46] Okay.

[02:39:46] I got rid of all my fucking Assyria poles and my altars and my pagan who's ease and what's

[02:39:52] it, but we'll trust entirely in God and his mercy.

[02:39:55] Because a prophet told us to.

[02:39:58] You know, not those man-made gods.

[02:40:00] Yeah.

[02:40:00] But the God that that guy down the street told me about.

[02:40:03] I chose that one.

[02:40:04] That's the one.

[02:40:05] Yes.

[02:40:05] That's the one I chose.

[02:40:06] He's not man-made.

[02:40:07] No.

[02:40:07] That guy's totally with God.

[02:40:09] He's perfect and beautiful.

[02:40:10] He's got to be.

[02:40:10] Because listen to him.

[02:40:11] He's speaking for God.

[02:40:12] He has the biggest dick.

[02:40:13] I mean, he's got to be godly.

[02:40:15] His shirt is the shiniest.

[02:40:17] Probably.

[02:40:18] His teeth are the whitest.

[02:40:19] Maybe.

[02:40:20] He didn't stink any worse than the others.

[02:40:23] Probably.

[02:40:23] His, I could really read his sandwich board sign.

[02:40:26] Yeah.

[02:40:27] Yeah.

[02:40:27] That he had a good end.

[02:40:28] That's what it was.

[02:40:29] That's what it was.

[02:40:29] The bell he rang, it was a good bell.

[02:40:31] Had a nice tone to it.

[02:40:33] Yeah.

[02:40:33] I fucked him in the back room and he's the first guy ever orgasmed with.

[02:40:38] That's why I picked him.

[02:40:39] Okay.

[02:40:39] Okay.

[02:40:39] All right.

[02:40:40] So yeah, I'm going to believe him and I got rid of all my shit.

[02:40:44] I said I sucked and I promised never to call Israel or Egypt for help ever again.

[02:40:49] That's great.

[02:40:50] I still died.

[02:40:51] Right.

[02:40:52] I don't understand.

[02:40:52] Oh, that's right.

[02:40:53] Because just because I do these things doesn't mean I'll be rewarded.

[02:40:58] No.

[02:40:58] I'm supposed to just do it and whether I get rewarded or not is beside the point.

[02:41:04] Right.

[02:41:04] Because he'll rise you up from seal or whatever.

[02:41:07] Let me just get this straight.

[02:41:09] Either way, I'm going to die.

[02:41:11] Yeah.

[02:41:12] But.

[02:41:12] But one way, hypothetically, according to God, sort of, kind of, maybe, you might burn for

[02:41:18] eternity.

[02:41:19] Right.

[02:41:19] Possibly.

[02:41:20] But since I don't know about that.

[02:41:22] Yeah.

[02:41:23] I don't know that for sure.

[02:41:24] You know what?

[02:41:25] I think I am going to call Egypt and Assyria for help.

[02:41:29] And I am going to get my Asherah poles back out.

[02:41:32] Yeah.

[02:41:32] Because they really haven't defined heaven and hell yet.

[02:41:34] Right.

[02:41:34] Right.

[02:41:34] So, you know, there's not a lot of assurances of, like, what's going to happen, whether.

[02:41:39] And if he's going to kill people regardless, based on what the, you know, group of people

[02:41:45] that you're in is doing, it doesn't really matter what you do anyway.

[02:41:48] Right.

[02:41:48] There's not really an incentive for the individual to appease God.

[02:41:52] Yeah.

[02:41:52] This is not like an every voice counts thing.

[02:41:54] This is not like vote and every vote counts.

[02:41:58] This is.

[02:41:58] No.

[02:41:59] If your king tells you to jump, you jump.

[02:42:00] Right.

[02:42:00] And if you jump the wrong way, apparently God kills you.

[02:42:02] Right.

[02:42:02] Right.

[02:42:03] If your king doesn't, your God does.

[02:42:05] Right.

[02:42:05] Yeah.

[02:42:05] Yeah.

[02:42:06] So, you know, I'm just, I'm a peon.

[02:42:08] I'm going to go along to get along.

[02:42:10] Right.

[02:42:10] Yeah.

[02:42:11] That's what I'm doing.

[02:42:11] I'm just trying to grow my crop here.

[02:42:13] Yeah.

[02:42:13] Or no, I'm a girl.

[02:42:14] I'm just trying to lay down and not piss my husband off and hope he doesn't sell me and

[02:42:20] that he likes my pussy long enough to let me not die in pain.

[02:42:24] Right.

[02:42:24] You know, that's what I, as a woman, I'm doing.

[02:42:26] Okay.

[02:42:27] Okay.

[02:42:27] All right.

[02:42:27] Yeah.

[02:42:28] So anyway, God promises to restore a repentant Israel bullshit.

[02:42:32] Verse five and six read, I will be like the dew to Israel.

[02:42:38] He will blossom like a lily, like a cedar of Lebanon.

[02:42:41] He will send down his roots.

[02:42:43] His young shoots will grow.

[02:42:45] His splendor will be like an olive tree.

[02:42:48] His fragrance like a cedar of Lebanon.

[02:42:50] And it very much pissed me off because he said that the Israelites were bad for being like

[02:42:55] dew just one chapter ago.

[02:42:57] Yeah.

[02:42:57] Because the dew is something that comes and goes.

[02:43:00] Yeah.

[02:43:01] Right.

[02:43:01] Yeah.

[02:43:01] It's not here to stay.

[02:43:03] Right.

[02:43:03] And so it's bad.

[02:43:04] Yeah.

[02:43:05] Okay.

[02:43:05] Turns out that's like a comparison metaphor.

[02:43:08] Okay.

[02:43:08] Okay.

[02:43:09] So consider the nature of the climate and the necessity of dew in such hot temperatures

[02:43:14] to preserve life.

[02:43:15] Sure.

[02:43:16] Then also think about the beauty of the flowers, the aroma of the Lebanon cedars.

[02:43:21] Like remember, Lebanon was known for those trees.

[02:43:23] Yeah.

[02:43:24] The beauty of the olive tree groves, the comfortable coolness of the shade in those trees.

[02:43:29] Right.

[02:43:29] Sure.

[02:43:29] Hold on.

[02:43:30] Hold on.

[02:43:30] When the people are as dew, it is a negative comparison because it's fleeting.

[02:43:35] But when God is as dew, it's the most positive comparison.

[02:43:41] That makes literally no sense.

[02:43:43] You're supposed to know the difference.

[02:43:44] That literally makes no sense.

[02:43:46] People bad.

[02:43:47] Therefore, people do bad.

[02:43:49] God good.

[02:43:50] Therefore, God do bad.

[02:43:52] Good.

[02:43:53] Right.

[02:43:53] God do good.

[02:43:54] Okay.

[02:43:54] Okay.

[02:43:55] Bullshit.

[02:43:56] Bullshit is what it is.

[02:43:57] It's a...

[02:43:58] You used something two different ways and expected us to take two different meanings from it.

[02:44:03] Well, they may have understood it better than we do back in the day.

[02:44:07] I don't know.

[02:44:07] Do they though?

[02:44:08] I don't know.

[02:44:10] I do not know.

[02:44:14] From the doo-doo.

[02:44:15] Yeah.

[02:44:15] Okay.

[02:44:15] God in his love will give them a spirit of faithfulness to replace their present unfaithfulness.

[02:44:21] He will bless them with refreshment like dew, beauty and strength and help them develop

[02:44:27] fruitful lives for him.

[02:44:29] That's great.

[02:44:30] Fruitful lives for him.

[02:44:32] That's good stuff, man.

[02:44:33] Not fruitful lives.

[02:44:34] Fruitful lives for him.

[02:44:35] Sure.

[02:44:36] Yeah.

[02:44:36] All right.

[02:44:37] Moving along.

[02:44:37] We're getting toward the end now.

[02:44:39] Okay.

[02:44:39] Yeah.

[02:44:40] Their reformation from idolatry is foretold and their subsequent prosperity under the

[02:44:46] emblem of a green flourishing fir tree.

[02:44:49] But these promises are confined only to those who may bring forth the fruits of righteousness

[02:44:54] and the wicked are declared to have no share in them.

[02:44:57] Bad.

[02:44:58] Don't be bad.

[02:44:59] You don't get prizes when you're bad.

[02:45:00] Right.

[02:45:01] Okay.

[02:45:01] God assures his people that he will give them blessings far greater than those they

[02:45:05] looked for, but never received from their worship of Baal and their pursuit of prosperity.

[02:45:11] I'm going to give you secret prizes if you choose door number one.

[02:45:17] Don't choose door number two.

[02:45:19] Right.

[02:45:19] It's probably gross back there because I don't like them.

[02:45:23] Yeah.

[02:45:23] Okay.

[02:45:24] Right.

[02:45:24] This epilogue sums up the whole previous teaching of the whole book.

[02:45:30] Okay.

[02:45:30] Okay.

[02:45:31] Most scholars agree though that it is a later addition in the style of the wisdom literature

[02:45:36] as here Hosea uses the character, the Hebrew character that was a rare term in his day

[02:45:42] for the word righteous.

[02:45:44] Okay.

[02:45:45] Okay.

[02:45:45] So that makes sense.

[02:45:47] So it was misplaced in the book.

[02:45:47] I mean, it's out of context because they wanted to sum up something, some message they

[02:45:54] wanted it to.

[02:45:55] They were like, we need this to sound more Christy and more Deuteronomy.

[02:46:00] Sure.

[02:46:00] And mix those together.

[02:46:02] Put it through AI and see what chat spits out.

[02:46:04] And this is what we got.

[02:46:06] Right.

[02:46:06] Okay.

[02:46:06] The prophet closes his book with a reminder to his readers that if they heed his message,

[02:46:12] they will find blessing.

[02:46:13] But if they ignore it, they will meet disaster.

[02:46:17] We do know from history that the people did not respond to God's appeal.

[02:46:22] Yeah.

[02:46:23] We sure do.

[02:46:23] The nation Israel, the northern kingdom was conquered by Assyria in 722 BCE.

[02:46:30] Its cities destroyed and its people taken into foreign captivity as described in 2 Kings chapter 17.

[02:46:38] The end.

[02:46:39] Yep.

[02:46:40] That's what happened.

[02:46:42] Sure as fuck is.

[02:46:43] Yeah.

[02:46:43] Yep.

[02:46:44] And that was Hosea.

[02:46:47] There wasn't much profity about that.

[02:46:49] No.

[02:46:50] Whole book.

[02:46:50] I didn't understand why they kept calling.

[02:46:52] The prophet says this and he prophesies that.

[02:46:54] It's like anybody can stand back and say, if you don't do good, bad things will happen.

[02:47:01] Right.

[02:47:01] If you do good, good things will happen.

[02:47:03] And that is so fucking generic that every bad thing now is, you know, prescribed to that.

[02:47:09] And every good thing, too.

[02:47:10] The one thing he's prophesying is the Assyrians coming in and destroying the north, right?

[02:47:15] But he mentions it more than once, which means that they knew.

[02:47:18] Right.

[02:47:19] Yeah.

[02:47:19] They saw it coming.

[02:47:20] It was already in progress, right?

[02:47:21] Yeah.

[02:47:21] Like, even if it hadn't fully happened when he had written those things, it was something

[02:47:26] that was bound to happen based on events.

[02:47:29] Yeah.

[02:47:30] Because we're talking, he's, Hosea is talking.

[02:47:33] He's talking politics, man.

[02:47:35] Yeah.

[02:47:35] As we said before.

[02:47:36] Yeah.

[02:47:37] It's always politics.

[02:47:37] Yep.

[02:47:38] He was part of leadership, clearly, because he knew what was happening with the other nations

[02:47:44] in the world and who they had been asking for help and where they were shipping the oil,

[02:47:50] where they got the trees from.

[02:47:52] Like, he knew.

[02:47:53] Right.

[02:47:54] Everything that their government was doing.

[02:47:56] Yeah.

[02:47:56] Not because he was a prophet.

[02:47:58] He was a prophet because he worked in a government office.

[02:48:00] I'm just going to call prophets basically politicians.

[02:48:03] Yeah.

[02:48:03] Because that's what they were.

[02:48:04] Yeah.

[02:48:04] Old school politicians.

[02:48:06] Yeah.

[02:48:06] With sandwich boards and bells.

[02:48:08] Sure.

[02:48:08] You know?

[02:48:09] Well, that's how you influence people, right?

[02:48:10] You say, my God is going to make, that's how you get them to come to your side.

[02:48:15] You pick your God that's going to cause the most fear and you make people fear that God.

[02:48:21] Yeah.

[02:48:22] So they'd be like, oh, we better fear that God.

[02:48:25] Yeah.

[02:48:25] And do those things.

[02:48:26] Right?

[02:48:26] Yep.

[02:48:26] It's a way to keep people in line.

[02:48:28] That's all God is.

[02:48:30] Mm-hmm.

[02:48:31] Anyway.

[02:48:33] You're so annoyed.

[02:48:34] Yeah.

[02:48:35] Well, I mean, it is the Bible, right?

[02:48:37] Yeah.

[02:48:37] So next up is going to be our book wrap up of Hosea, which shouldn't be too long because it.

[02:48:46] Well, no, I got my weekly wrap up.

[02:48:47] I got to put out first, which will be coming out.

[02:48:50] And then.

[02:48:50] And then the special episodes that we do when we finish a book, which includes the entire book wrap up and the you're always wrong contradictions.

[02:49:02] Yes.

[02:49:02] That's the one.

[02:49:03] Right.

[02:49:04] Yeah.

[02:49:04] And then we'll have our special Patreon, not Patreon, sometimes Patreon, sometimes public episode.

[02:49:13] Still haven't decided what subject we're doing.

[02:49:16] Right.

[02:49:16] And we'll get back to you on that.

[02:49:18] But that will be available live on Wednesday on our Discord at 10 p.m. Eastern.

[02:49:27] And this one will be public.

[02:49:28] And it will be public.

[02:49:29] Yes.

[02:49:30] So if you miss it, you can still catch it in our stream.

[02:49:33] Yeah.

[02:49:33] And that is fine.

[02:49:34] Yeah.

[02:49:34] Okay.

[02:49:35] And then after that, I think we will start the next book, which I what did I say it was?

[02:49:42] Joe.

[02:49:45] No, not Jose.

[02:49:48] What did we say?

[02:49:49] It was like Jeff.

[02:49:50] Jeff.

[02:49:56] I was thinking Judah and I was like, that's wrong, but it does start with a J.

[02:50:00] Right.

[02:50:01] Yeah.

[02:50:02] It's the book of Jeff.

[02:50:03] It's the book of Jeff.

[02:50:04] We're reading the book of Jeff.

[02:50:06] Yep.

[02:50:06] We will start.

[02:50:07] Nope.

[02:50:08] Jeff.

[02:50:08] All right, guys, that was our Q&A for today.

[02:50:11] Thanks for joining us.

[02:50:12] And we'll have the weekly wrap up here shortly and back with the things we just mentioned.

[02:50:17] So we'll see you guys then.

[02:50:18] Bye.

[02:50:19] Bye.

[02:50:19] Bye.