Bible Study by Atheists Weekly: Hosea Chapters 6 - 10, Special Episode and Q&A

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Sacrilegious Discourse. For this is what the sovereign Lord says, Why do you need prophets to tell people who you are and what you want?

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_08]: If you can justify everything that the God of the Bible has done, then you can justify any of your behavior.

[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of this mentality is trickling into what is now mainstream right wing Christianity.

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_08]: I am capable of empathy greater than this God of the Bible.

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a Bible that they tell kids, This is the good Lord, This is the good book, This is He is fantasizing about murder, mass murder.

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[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Wife!

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Do you know what we're doing and where the hell we are?

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're after a dig back into things here because it's been a little bit since we've done anything.

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_02]: We do want to apologize for that. We've been doing a lot of well-precovering, I guess, would be the best word.

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_08]: My arm is broken.

[00:01:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's so...

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It's caused a little bit of a strain on our podcast in schedule because it's hard for wife to research with one hand and also I'm working a lot more.

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a couple things that are working against this right now.

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Also wife has surgery coming up soon.

[00:01:25] [SPEAKER_08]: I do. By the time you...

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Or her, she'll be part of the middle by the time you...

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_08]: By the time you're hearing this Monday morning, I will be having surgery tomorrow, which is Tuesday.

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_02]: To get metal put in your hand.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_08]: And they're putting a metal plate in my hand.

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right? That's fine.

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_08]: On my way to becoming the Bionic woman.

[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so as far as where we are in the Bible, we're still in Jose.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_08]: We are Jose.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and we just got done reading. Well, not just.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But we read last Jose chapter five.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And in that chapter, Jose will God is using Jose to...

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Basically call everybody out on their unfaithful bullshit of worshipping idols, I guess.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, like, as I recall, um...

[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Chapter five or four and five, I think.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, stepped away from his personal...

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he wasn't even as wife anymore as the main culprit.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah. He was...

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, goodness.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Just calling out Israel and Judah and saying, you back as this, you back as that.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was calling out the leaders, the priests, and the people, everybody.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, we've already been here so many times.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, and God just hates it when people worship anybody but him and the knees like,

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But if you do worship me then I'll love you and, you know, everything's cool,

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_02]: but don't worship other things because otherwise I'll kill you.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the general shittiness of God, right?

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: They mean like all through the Old Testament.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So, um, speaking of non-shittiness, so jumping away from the shittiness of God,

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_02]: we have a new patron.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_02]: What?

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So we wanted to do a shout out for Bethany R.

[00:03:13] Bethany?

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Bethany is our newest patron.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And they let me know that they were a daughter of a Baptist preacher.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, my goodness, Bethany.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_08]: My, my sincerest sadness is to you.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I hope that that works.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I don't know the whole story about it, but I know sometimes that causes

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_02]: strains on families.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So that could be a little rough sometimes.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but I was listening things giving God a be hard.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Also, I don't know if it's pasture or preacher.

[00:03:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I never know what to say for which denomination,

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I always screw that out because I'd never was part of it,

[00:03:55] [SPEAKER_02]: so I don't understand what which is which.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that I know that we had a Baptist preacher,

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_02]: we are landlord, one pastor, we are landlord, one pastor.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: We have a pastor.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe it's pastor.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_08]: I think that a lot of the Christian denominations are pastor.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Could be.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Could be.

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know for sure.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_08]: I imagine preacher is like somebody in the south.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_08]: You know what I mean?

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I know that there are distinguished, I don't know who knows.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm speaking out of my ask.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And then Padre or Father is Catholic.

[00:04:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was going to say that sounds more Catholic.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: That's where we'll go with that.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, Bethany, thank you so much.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh yeah, thank you, Bethany.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Or becoming a patron, you really help us out more than you'll ever know.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_08]: We are so grateful, Bethany.

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Thank you.

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And that being said, we like I said, we're getting, we just finished,

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_02]: who's there chapter five?

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, we did.

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Which means that today we're getting into.

[00:04:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Jose, chapter six.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do this.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, okay.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_08]: All right.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_08]: We are jumping into Jose, chapter six, or as I like to call him,

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Jose.

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_08]: And I don't know if you were called because it's been so long.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_08]: But chapter six actually began at the end of the previous chapter.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And that small little section was just like one verse at the end of chapter five.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_08]: That starts this next bit that we're going to read, which is subtitled,

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_08]: the insincereity of Israel's repentance.

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm going to start with that verse at the end of chapter five.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_08]: All right.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Then I will return to my layer until they have born their guilt and seek my face

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_08]: in their memory, they will earnestly seek me.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like when he says, layer, it sounds awful lot like a dragon.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I said that the last time.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Who refers to their place where they dwell as a layer?

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Be a wolf.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Let me be more fun.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe if everybody called their house like a layer instead of a house.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I would like to return to my layer.

[00:06:24] [SPEAKER_08]: You sent me out when you leave work and you see you.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_08]: What your coworkers, right?

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_08]: And like another time referred to it as your castle.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Another time referred to it as your dungeon.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_08]: You're whoably at.

[00:06:40] Yeah.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_08]: To see if they like react to any of those.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_08]: All right.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_08]: So now we're starting chapter six.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Yep.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_08]: All right.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Come.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Let us return to the Lord.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_08]: He has torn us to pieces.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I say when people tear me up pieces.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's return to that.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_08]: That sounds exciting.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_08]: But he will heal us.

[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_08]: He has injured us but he will bind up our wounds after two days.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_08]: He will revive us on the third day.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_08]: He will restore us with his sound like.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_02]: He sounds like Jesus doesn't it?

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Little bit that we may live in his presence.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Let us acknowledge the Lord.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Let us press on to acknowledge him.

[00:07:20] [SPEAKER_08]: As surely as the sun rises, he will appear.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Is the sun rises, huh?

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_08]: He will come to us like the winter rains, like the spring rains that water the earth.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_08]: What can I do with you, E from what can I do with you, Judah?

[00:07:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Your love is like the morning mist, like the early dew that disappears.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_08]: My due better disappear is a bad day when my due doesn't disappear.

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure what you're getting at there exactly.

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_08]: I've clogged the toilet once in my life.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_02]: That went to the sun.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_02]: That was not expecting that.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_08]: You're doing it doesn't disappear then you're in trouble.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I wasn't my mind wasn't there.

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_08]: So I mean sometimes once in a while.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I got it.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_08]: I got it.

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_08]: I thought that happened to everybody at least once.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_08]: All right.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_08]: So anyway, due disappears.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's a good thing.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Therefore I cut you in pieces with my profits.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_08]: I killed you with the words of my mouth.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Then my judgments go forth like the sun for eye desire mercy, not sacrifice and acknowledge

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_08]: my love God rather than burn offerings as at Adam they have broken the covenant.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_08]: They were unfaithful to me even there.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Gilliatte is a city of evil doers stained with the footprints of blood.

[00:08:54] [SPEAKER_08]: As marauders lie in ambush for a victim, so do bands of priests.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_08]: They murder on the road to Shesham, carrying out their wicked schemes.

[00:09:06] [SPEAKER_08]: I have seen a horrible thing in Israel.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Their ephem is given to prostitution.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Israel is defiled.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Also for you, Judah harvest is appointed whenever I would restore the fortunes of my people.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Come on.

[00:09:23] [SPEAKER_08]: And then we cut off mid sentence.

[00:09:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean to read the rest of the sentence.

[00:09:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess so because that's a weird place to cut off.

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So technically we're going to go into seven a little bit.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But we're going to cover it again.

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably when we get in the way.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh yeah, we will.

[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Also for you, Judah harvest is appointed whenever I would restore the

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_08]: fortunes of my people and here we go into the next chapter.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Whenever I would heal Israel, the sins of ephem are exposed and the crimes of

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Samaria revealed.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_08]: And I won't go any further in this chapter seven.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:10:00] All right.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, he's basically saying that they can love him, but they aren't.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_02]: They're they're loved disappears and and then he's like, and I'm going to fuck you up.

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Some more some more like, you know, we're always he got's always fucking him up.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the just of this right.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_08]: I think it kind of hard to read, but he was going back to fan even as far back as Adam.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_08]: My people been fucking up.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, which we come in all the time because like you are not a very good God that can't get your

[00:10:36] [SPEAKER_02]: people in line and more than that.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Like if you have this ability to see what's coming down the pike, right?

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Why are you surprised?

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Why are you surprised?

[00:10:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't make any sense.

[00:10:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Why are you mad?

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Why do you why do you even give a fuck if it's all meant to be if it's all predestined?

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't fucking matter.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And none of it matters unless you made it to where you predestined yourself to be pissy

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:11:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And kill people like that's that's weird, man.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: That is a weird way to handle your.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Your your your your creation.

[00:11:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it is.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_08]: So I don't care for it.

[00:11:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And I you know, I don't care.

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a group of people that are just like they want their God to be the best God and they see

[00:11:21] [SPEAKER_02]: These other people that are not as perfect at worshiping their God as them.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like dudes.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: You guys are going to get fucked up if you don't worship this God correctly.

[00:11:29] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:11:30] [SPEAKER_02]: It's all this is.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't I don't know where I'm one of this.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: There's just the same fucking thing every goddamn chapter.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_08]: It really is.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm just tired of God being like, oh my people right?

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_08]: And then the people going.

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_08]: So little tired.

[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Y'all weigh am I right?

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:11:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It's very tiring.

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_08]: And like just break up or get together.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Whatever.

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Nobody cares about your team drama.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:11:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely.

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So that was a pretty short chapter.

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_08]: It really was.

[00:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: But that was Jose chapter six.

[00:12:00] [SPEAKER_08]: It sure is.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Fuck was.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Which means that and we're going to definitely try to actually do this.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be back tomorrow with.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Who's head chapter seven.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see you then.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Why?

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Do you know where we are and how the hell we got here?

[00:12:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we just finished Jose chapter six.

[00:12:25] [SPEAKER_02]: And in that chapter God was reading.

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_02]: He was comparing Israel's love for him to the morning do which sounds, you know,

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_02]: beautiful until you realize that the due disappears.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what he meant by it is that they love him for a bit and then they're like,

[00:12:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, bye.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he.

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_08]: They're fair weather friends.

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And he doesn't like you anymore and he does horrible things to you.

[00:12:47] [SPEAKER_02]: But then he'll love you again at some point because you might go back and love

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_02]: him some more.

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm going to say, yay.

[00:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And then probably he'll kill you again later.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's the just of you know what's going on.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_02]: So that was Jose chapter six.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Which means that today we're giving him two.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Jose chapter seven.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. Let's do this.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_08]: All right. We are hopping in two.

[00:13:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Jose or Jose chapter seven.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_02]: That is correct.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_08]: But I have to go back to five a little bit.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow. That's that's the ways back.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Because that's where this little bit started.

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:13:28] [SPEAKER_08]: And then the end of chapter five.

[00:13:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_08]: And it was called the insincerity of Israel's repentance.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:13:34] [SPEAKER_08]: What God is going on and on about.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting because we cut off.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember we cut off midway through a sentence in Jose chapter six.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's where I'm going that right.

[00:13:46] [SPEAKER_02]: But considering there was such a short little piece, why didn't they just finish it in

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Chapter six doesn't make sense.

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_08]: The scroll got torn.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And it doesn't make sense.

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just dumb.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know how these things looked in Latin.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_08]: I just don't know anything about it.

[00:14:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_08]: So yeah.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_08]: You're just going to have to trust them.

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_08]: But this is what we have.

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the way it is.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's all there is to it.

[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_08]: This is what God wanted us to have.

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_08]: So praise, Jebus.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Got. Yeah.

[00:14:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_08]: So yeah.

[00:14:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Chapter seven starts in the middle of a sentence that was begun in the previous chapter, which

[00:14:30] [SPEAKER_08]: you're going to read.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_08]: So right now I'm starting at chapter six verse 11.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Also for you, Judah, a harvest is appointed whenever I would restore the fortunes of my people.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:14:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Continue to understand.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Whenever I would heal Israel, the sins of Ephraim are exposed.

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_08]: And the crimes of Samaria revealed, they practice deceit.

[00:14:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Beaves break into houses.

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Bandits rob in the streets.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_08]: But they do not realize that I remember all their evil deeds.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Hmm.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_02]: They don't realize that.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't realize it.

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_08]: You don't tell them often are loud enough.

[00:15:08] [SPEAKER_08]: He doesn't tell anybody anything.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_08]: I know.

[00:15:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And then when he does he tells like we've talked about before, he tells some random dude that you have to know that that's the right one to understand that he's telling what God is saying.

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.

[00:15:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise there's other priest out there.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: He's already talked about it.

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And this in this book also, as well as other books we've talked about where they're going on about how they should worship other God's too.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:15:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And so who are these people supposed to believe in why should they believe him over them?

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't make any sense.

[00:15:37] [SPEAKER_08]: It doesn't make any fucking sense.

[00:15:39] [SPEAKER_08]: I probably wouldn't choose any of them because they all silly.

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Their sins engulf them.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_08]: They are always before me.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_08]: They do.

[00:15:48] [SPEAKER_08]: They delight the King with their wickedness, the princes with their lies.

[00:15:53] [SPEAKER_08]: They are all adulterers burning like an oven whose fire the baker need not stir from the needing of the dough till it rises on the day of the festival of our King.

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_08]: The princes become inflamed with wine and he joins hands with the muckers.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Their hearts are like an oven.

[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_08]: They approach him with their intrigue.

[00:16:15] [SPEAKER_08]: They're passionate, smoulders all night.

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_08]: In the morning it blazes like a flaming fire.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're getting drunk and having some passion huh?

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[00:16:26] [SPEAKER_08]: They're making fire and that was all of them are hot as an oven.

[00:16:32] [SPEAKER_08]: They devour their rulers.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_08]: All their kings fall and none of them calls on me.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:16:39] [SPEAKER_08]: All right.

[00:16:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Eep from mixes with the nations.

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Eep from is a flat loaf not turned over.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, squirt describing different tribes here that don't worship Yahweh correctly.

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, as different kinds of bread.

[00:16:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_08]: For you.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_02]: With low for you.

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Right?

[00:16:57] [SPEAKER_08]: I just want to eat the bread.

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.

[00:17:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Forner sap his drink but he does not realize it.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_08]: His hair is sprinkled with gray but he does not notice his reals arrogance.

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_08]: He's testifies against him but despite all this, he does not return to the Lord his God or search for him.

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Cool.

[00:17:17] [SPEAKER_08]: What did do do?

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Eep from is like a dove easily deceived and senseless.

[00:17:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Now calling to Egypt now turning to Assyria.

[00:17:28] [SPEAKER_08]: When they go I will throw my net over them.

[00:17:30] [SPEAKER_08]: I will pull them down like birds in the sky.

[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_08]: When I hear them flocking together I'll catch them.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_08]: You can get them.

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Gotta get them all.

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Whoa to them.

[00:17:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Whoa to them.

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Whoa to them.

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Because they have strayed from me.

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Those bitches.

[00:17:49] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Destruction to them because they have rebel against me.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_08]: I long to redeem them but they speak out about me firstly.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Those bitches.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it strikes me that today even that there's a lot of people who will blame

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_02]: the things that are going wrong in our society on those who don't worship Christ.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like there is this sense that if you can blame bad things on the people that don't worship the same God you do, right?

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just such an easy scapegoat for people to be like, it's all your fault because you don't worship the right way or enough or whatever.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:18:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's always easier to be angry at people, you know?

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not as easy to look inward and I feel like that this is kind of how this thought process was going back then is like, let's be angry at these people and not of ourselves.

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Always the foreigner.

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Always.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_08]: They do not cry out to me from their hearts but whale on their beds.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_08]: They slash themselves appealing to their gods for grain and new wine.

[00:18:59] [SPEAKER_08]: But they turn away from me.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_08]: I trains them and strengthen their arms but they plot evil against me.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_08]: They do not turn to the most high.

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_08]: They are like a faulty bow, bow, not bow, bow.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Their leaders will fall by the sword because of their insulin words.

[00:19:19] [SPEAKER_08]: For this they will be ridiculed in the land of Egypt.

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Because they, okay.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But I thought they were turning to Egypt and Assyria for help or something.

[00:19:33] [SPEAKER_08]: This is so back and forth the tiny whiny.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I have a sense that we're referring to something that was happening back then.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's all these again it's political machinations that are happening.

[00:19:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's hard for us to grasp exactly what's going on and what they're referring to because obviously we're not there.

[00:19:53] [SPEAKER_02]: That's not what's happening now.

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But this is the word of God referring to these things but they're not relevant.

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And that alone takes away from this message that God has because we're not talking about anything that anybody today has any inkling about.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So it just loses a lot of the,

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, that maybe it had back then you know.

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Well hopefully I'll have some better information for Q&A.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I just did the mildest of glancing over research for this right and didn't really, I mean,

[00:20:34] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't want to say I didn't see anything but there was nothing that was just short that I could just bring to explain different things in this everything was either a relevant boring or like super like.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, in my understanding is that a lot of this stuff right now on Jose that we're reading is a collection of stuff they wrote wrote at different points and time and like you know, wasn't really there's not really any.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_08]: They're not chronological.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.

[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to be hard to follow I think throughout this yeah.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And again, the messaging is the same thing we've heard all through the OT.

[00:21:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's not new at all. It's just a different dude saying it.

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it's kind of repetitive. It's kind of disjointed and and here we are more Bible. So that was Jose chapter seven.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, what was which means that tomorrow hypothetically we have some stuff going on with your surgery and different things that are popping up but hypothetically tomorrow we'll be back with.

[00:21:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Uh, Jose chapter eight.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. We'll see you then.

[00:21:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Wait, do you know where we are and how the hell we got here and what happened?

[00:21:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we just got done reading of Jose Jesus Christ.

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Jose I was having trouble there. I like my brain went through the whole litany of like fucking profits that we've gone through and I was like we had no not that not that not that not that who's there.

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Jose and that's the one.

[00:22:07] [SPEAKER_08]: You kept trying to say Isaiah for the long time. Why I'm saying Joshua.

[00:22:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, no it's Jose chapter seven is what we just got done reading.

[00:22:15] [SPEAKER_08]: That's why you calling them hose head.

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. What is easier with the nickname? You know, because then you could either not as confusing. Well, there's still confusing but anyway I digress that was Jose chapter seven that we just finished and in that chapter we.

[00:22:30] [SPEAKER_02]: We heard more about how God thinks the Israelites suck and they were working with other people in other countries and he's like you suck and they were like man we got that we got risk to be going to do our thing and these like you suck and he's like I'm going to kill you.

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, you know if they just stopped sucking then they can be redeemed and they wouldn't suck.

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_08]: It seems like this is what happened yesterday.

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_02]: It's basically what happens every time they suck he hates them. He kills them. They might be redeemed. He doesn't hate them. The he hates them again later and they kill them again later.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_02]: He always choose to say it's just like the same fucking pattern over and over and over and over and over again and that's just really really irritating at this point.

[00:23:10] [SPEAKER_08]: I would do like can we break up.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I had at some point don't you just feel like enough is enough man.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_08]: You're not happy you keep moving the gold. Right. Right. Just fuck off for something right. Yeah.

[00:23:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Be big like go bigger. Go home. Right is what you want to tell God like right say your say and say it loud and proud and you know come out to all of us or go the fuck away and leave us alone.

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So kill in it. Yeah, I feel like they'd be better without them. You know they doesn't really seem to do much for them. No no.

[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like a large scale or anything. You know, so other than he tells them to multiply you know how to do that.

[00:23:49] [SPEAKER_02]: But just not under the trees out of the high places and that's that's that's not good and never with a girl who's menstruating right right yeah definitely not that but sometimes with the poor and shit.

[00:24:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Sometimes with your brother's wife. Yeah, but only in certain cases. Right. Yeah and everyone's in a while with your mom.

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. Anyway that was Jose chapter seven. Sure. It's fuck what? Which means that today we're giving in to Jose chapter eight. All right. Let's do this. Okay.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_08]: All right. So we are hopping into chapter eight of hose head Jose. Who's a yeah and it's a new little bit.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Okay. So it's starting fresh. This is like, oh, meaning that's not the same section that we're covering the last three episodes or whatever basically right right that you know ran on right it was the same same sub whatever heading

[00:24:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. This is this is a completely new area. Okay. All right. Put the trumpets to you. Oh, yeah. Do that because you know that's fine. Mm-hmm. Yeah and eagle is over the house of the Lord because the people have broken my covenant and rebel against my law.

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: That was a lot of things said in a row that don't make any fucking sense. Right. I'm sure they must make sense to somebody. But not me. So the eagle. Yeah is the a serians.

[00:25:22] [SPEAKER_08]: That was their sign. Okay. All right. So he's a, you know, sound that sound the clacks and bells warning.

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_08]: The what's sirens. You know, right let it be known that the serians is coming. The serians is coming. I just want to point out because a lot of people like to point out things in Jose that relate to the quote unquote Babylonians.

[00:25:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm. But here we are talking about the serians again right in Jose. Right. So these things that they talk about and in my mind refer to the a serians not the Babylonians because that was what was impending at the time was the a serians exactly right. And because the same devastation didn't happen with the a serians has happened with the Babylonians.

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. People just gloss over the fact that he mentions the a serians a whole hell of a lot. He does. He really does.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So he says one of the point that out because to me I'm like no, he's talking about the serians when we're talking about them being captured and conquered. Right. That's what he think is thinks is going to happen exactly so.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_08]: He's saying that a seria has you know is on the march to come in and the reason is because the people have broken my covenant. Of course they are about against my law as always. They, they always do that.

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_08]: So now that whole first verse makes perfect sense to you. Yeah. Okay. Israel cries out to me our God we acknowledge you.

[00:26:46] [SPEAKER_02]: They do, huh? But it doesn't sound sincere. I wouldn't imagine it would. No.

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_08]: But Israel has rejected what is good and enemy will pursue him. They set up kings without my consent. They choose princes without my approval with their silver and gold.

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_02]: They make idols for themselves to their own destruction as ever call and this was us going into like the kings, you know books like kings, one or whatever.

[00:27:13] [SPEAKER_02]: There was discussion of how God was just going to let them do their own thing and choose their own kings which he wasn't happy about.

[00:27:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. But it was like a thing right. Well yeah. Okay. I see what you're saying but I also see what he's saying. He's like, look I was not for you guys doing this and then look you did it.

[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_08]: And make it bad choices. Yeah. And then you know the second that you go running off to do your own fucking thing, you forget to keep the law.

[00:27:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't I don't like to point out though that a lot of these kings are put into power because of, you know, they're related to each other.

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. Not because they're like voted in. Right. And a lot of times it's one nation appointing a leader to another one.

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Yeah. Like the Egyptian's and the Babylonians have all had influence in these things and from sure probably the Assyrian Testament influence was a point too.

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. So that makes it interesting. Right.

[00:28:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Samaria throw out your calf idol. Yeah. Do throw it out. Sure. My anger burns against them how long will they be incapable of purity. They are from Israel.

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_08]: They they never really came back. So I'm a guessing like forever. Right. This calf, a metal worker has made it. It is not God.

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_08]: It will be broken in pieces that calf of fucking Samaria. Just curious who made the Ark.

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_02]: No, uh. No, not that Ark. Oh. The Ark of the Covenant. The worker people. Yeah. Yeah. Much like that made the calf.

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. I'm just worker people saying that people have made things for God too. So that's okay.

[00:28:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Because maybe, you know, we don't know much about this whole calf thing, right?

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. Maybe the calf is the vessel for their God, right? Much like the Ark is the throne for their God.

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. So it could. I don't know anything about the fucking calf. Right. I'm just speaking hypothetically, right?

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But on a large scale, why are we getting mad about the calf when we have the Ark? And we have the, I don't know.

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_08]: You know, crosses and we have all the shit, you know? I don't know if you noticed this or not, but believers in this particular God seem to have been filled with hypocrisy from day one.

[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_08]: She seems that way. Yeah. Yeah. They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind. I'm going to be reading that phrase again in just a moment.

[00:29:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. The stalk has no head. It will produce no flower. We're at to yield grain foreigners with swallow it up. Now I have some notes about this verse seven. Okay.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Sure. Interesting because I said so. Oh, yeah. They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind. Yeah. Okay. This is considered a proverb which states that works have rewards and actions have consequences,

[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_08]: especially that people may face negative consequences for their bad actions. Okay.

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. Got it. Several works. A fiction have the title reap the whirlwind, and I just put down some that we might be familiar with kind of.

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. So there's a star trek book called reap the whirlwind by David Mack in 2007.

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. And I'm not familiar with the book, but I am familiar with Star Trek series. Yeah.

[00:30:43] [SPEAKER_08]: There's a one called reap the whirlwind and that's a 1989 novel by CJ Cherry and Mercedes Lackey.

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_08]: It's part of the sort of knowledge. No idea. Mercedes Lackey, I'm familiar with. She's very prolific and well known fantasy writer.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. And then there is the Ronnie reap the whirlwind and that's a 2000 Doctor who audio drama.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah. So I thought I definitely need to include those because we know those things.

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, we know those fandoms. Right. Right. Yeah. So anyway, yeah.

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_08]: So the wind and reap the whirlwind. Reap what you sow. Got it. You know? Yeah. Anyway, if there were grain, we still wouldn't have it because either would not grow or if it does them the foreigners will get it.

[00:31:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. Okay. Israel has swallowed up. Now she is among the nations like something no one wants for they have gone up to a Syria like a wild donkey wandering alone.

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_08]: He from has sold herself to lovers. Although they have sold themselves among the nations, I will now gather them together. They will begin to waste a way under the oppression of the mighty king.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Though he from built many altars for sin offerings, these have become altars for sinning.

[00:32:15] [SPEAKER_08]: I wrote for them the many things of my law, but they were guarded them at something foreign. But dude, you didn't actually write them.

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. Well, somebody did. I don't think Moses wrote all the laws everywhere.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm just saying he certainly isn't the one that kept them alive in those areas. He was very, you know, he was very these these things were very regional right.

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Even though you were worshiping similar God, Yahweh, right. The idea of what that God is it's a lot like even in the US, right.

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_02]: We have our areas of the country that kind of worship, you know, this Christian God differently. The South worships a little different than the North does, right?

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_02]: The people in Boston are more Catholic, generally speaking, right? And you know, there's just different areas of the country that worships the same God different ways.

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And I can imagine in a time where communication wasn't as accessible as this today, that would be even more so that way.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. And those days, so they would seem even after some future generations, these areas that weren't even that far away would seem very foreign and how they worship their God, that is hypothetically the same God that you worship right.

[00:33:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. So it would almost be it would be heretical to them because it's branched so far away in such a short period of time.

[00:33:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And it just that that strikes me as how a lot of these problems kind of arise with them having these issues with their neighbors.

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_08]: It makes me wonder how the early Israelites would get on with the right wing people today.

[00:33:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, honestly, I don't think that they would even recognize themselves in and what it is today.

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think that either group would recognize the other as a distant relative.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it would, they're first of all, they would never, the right wing maga called would never go back to what is religion in ancient Israel, right?

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_02]: For multiple reasons and partly because it's not technically Christianity at that point. So that's part of the reason, but also the people in Israel would be probably horrified at what they have what what they embody and represent.

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just it's not, it's all about hate and beer mongering and not that that's not present in the Bible.

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's it's more for preservation of their society as opposed to division of their society.

[00:34:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. So well also to back then it was group on group.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_08]: And today there's a lot of individual on individual.

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's very true.

[00:35:01] [SPEAKER_08]: And it makes it kind of grosser. Yeah. All right. So let's finish this up. We are almost at the end. Okay.

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_08]: So God saying I wrote the things of my law, but then bitches they don't even read it whatever.

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Though they offer sacrifices as gifts to me and though they eat the meat, the Lord is not pleased with them. Now he will remember their wickedness and punish their sins.

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Boom, bitches. Okay. They will return to Egypt. Israel has forgotten their maker and built palaces.

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Judah has fortified many towns but I will send fire on their cities that will consume their fortresses. The end.

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Judah has. That's interesting.

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Because again earlier in this chapter of the same chapter we were talking about a Syria.

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And we have also read from a apologist that this whole prophecy in Joseia revolves around the Babylonian exile because that's convenient for them.

[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But and while it doesn't specifically say that these events are going to be the Assyrians doing these things, you wouldn't be talking about a Syria and the same breath as you're talking about these horrible events that are going to occur.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_02]: If you didn't mean for them to be done by the Assyrians.

[00:36:23] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean? Like there's no, it doesn't make any sense not to. It doesn't make any sense to mention them if you're not going to utilize them as that tool.

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_05]: Right.

[00:36:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So and we've talked about this too where these things that they see are what are coming down the pike. They can see it because we're talking about ancient times where things build up.

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, you see an army coming years and advance because they can't move as quickly. They got to collect lines and fortify themselves.

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_08]: They're able to see the winds of change in government.

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. Right.

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And if it doesn't come true, the nice thing about the Bible is I guess you can just attribute it to the next disaster.

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_08]: And you can always say that God changed his mind.

[00:37:08] [SPEAKER_08]: And we prayed hard enough.

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Sure.

[00:37:11] [SPEAKER_02]: We sacrificed big enough that you know when you retrofit a meeting after the fact you can make anything work. Sure. You know, like that's true about just about anything.

[00:37:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's it's ridiculous.

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_08]: It is.

[00:37:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, I should mention if you're listening to this today, we we actually recorded these episodes early. So we're actually recording this the night before wife is going in for surgery on Tuesday morning.

[00:37:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But you're going to be hearing this on Wednesday morning.

[00:37:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So it'll be the day after. So everybody should stop by our discord or patreon or one of our social media accounts and just you know wish wife.

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Good luck. Well, not good luck because it's already happened. But you know wish wife is media recovery.

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_08]: So yeah. I'm a little nervous.

[00:38:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Honestly, they're not putting me out for this. They're just going to numb my arm.

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And stick a metal plate on it.

[00:38:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. So I'm going to be like the tin woodman.

[00:38:15] [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm not sure how I feel about that.

[00:38:17] [SPEAKER_02]: That's getting a oil can.

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. Well, that was Jose chapter eight.

[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. It's book was and possibly I don't want to promise anything because again circumstances and surgeries and what nots, but possibly we will be back tomorrow with

[00:38:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Who's head chapter nine.

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. We'll see you then.

[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Hey, husband wife.

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember even a little bit where the hell we are and what the hell we're doing? Well, we just not just we recently recently read

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Jose chapter eight.

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_02]: We sure spoke that and in that chapter, I know this is going to come as a shock to everybody but Israel the Israelites were worshipping idols.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:39:11] [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy crazy right.

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_02]: God's told him like a hundred million times not to do it. And he, you know, he gets pissed.

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_02]: He was pissed off.

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_08]: He wasn't pissed.

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_08]: No way.

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah. He totally loves it when they do that right now.

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_02]: He was pissed.

[00:39:24] [SPEAKER_02]: He said he said they've sewn the wind and will reap the whirlwind. Oh, yeah.

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, you know that that whirlwind, you got to watch out for that shit and then, you know, obviously God's rejecting them and going to kill them all and then he's going to

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Reaccept them again because this is how we do things in the Bible and that was basically chapter eight.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay.

[00:39:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Which means that today. Oh, after a little bit of a hiatus because of would you like to fill in that part?

[00:39:51] [SPEAKER_08]: I had surgery on my arm. You did. You did.

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_08]: I got my cast off and I had surgery and then they put a brace on and then I got the brace off and or no, that was a splint.

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_08]: I got the splint off and I had occupational therapy and they checked my stitches and I look like Frankenstein.

[00:40:13] [SPEAKER_08]: It's really disgusting and gross.

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It is.

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Like it extends from my wrist to halfway to my elbow.

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_08]: And I did not know that and they had me sit down and lean back when they took it off because they said a lot of people when they first see their wound,

[00:40:32] [SPEAKER_08]: that they get light headed and even pass out.

[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Because it's all bruising.

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_08]: And I have no idea what it would look like.

[00:40:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_08]: But I didn't pass out.

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Good job.

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_08]: And so now I just have a brace on.

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. What you're excited about because you have fingers again?

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_08]: I have fingers, you guys.

[00:40:50] [SPEAKER_08]: And I can use them.

[00:40:52] [SPEAKER_08]: And then also I told him I'm a writer and like someone who writes not like a horse writer.

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Like a horse writer.

[00:41:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And also not like you have a published book.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_08]: No, right.

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_02]: You just do the action of writing and would like to publish something.

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes. I'm not an author.

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_08]: I am a writer.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:41:09] [SPEAKER_08]: And the therapist was like, that's awesome because that's great.

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Exercise for your wrist to heal and so I want you to rate as much as possible.

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's great.

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. I'm happy that you're back and not, you know,

[00:41:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know it was was you just slept a lot.

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_08]: I did.

[00:41:32] [SPEAKER_08]: It hurt so bad.

[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_08]: And it still hurts a lot.

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:41:36] [SPEAKER_02]: But I think that this is giving you a little bit of a mental, you know, break.

[00:41:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like different things again.

[00:41:42] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a different kind of pain too.

[00:41:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Like before it was like literally the bones broken and being reset.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:41:50] [SPEAKER_08]: And now it's a different kind of ache where it's more like a long ache.

[00:41:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Instead of like a, I just broke my fucking arm.

[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, you're working towards something positive.

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas it's going to heal.

[00:42:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_08]: And what was really nice is that I was able to see some progress already.

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Like when I first walked in, he had me hold my arms in certain positions and then showed me some exercises that we recorded so that I could do them at home.

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_08]: And then afterwards he had me hold my arms in those same positions that we started with and I was already able to do more.

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's great.

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm healing all you guys.

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm getting better.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:42:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_02]: And no we're very excited and I'm excited to have you back and I'm excited to do an episode.

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_08]: And we're going to happen that hose head chapter nine.

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what we're doing.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do this.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:42:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:42:49] Okay.

[00:42:49] Okay.

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_08]: All right.

[00:42:54] [SPEAKER_08]: We are hopping into hose head chapter nine or hose.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_08]: If you want.

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Why mean if you prefer.

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Just for logistic reasons.

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_02]: If you like for for for exactness for.

[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_08]: If you insist for the reasons, if that's what you need it to be.

[00:43:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It's I don't need it to be shit as need to you know label it.

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_02]: That's all.

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I have some bad news for you bad news.

[00:43:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Because this is the same shit that has been.

[00:43:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I probably could have guessed that based on what we've been reading.

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_08]: My God hates that is real lights and the Israelites are such fun.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:43:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean that that is pretty much how this book has tracked the whole way through.

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_08]: So I thought that on certain lines, I might just randomly break in the song.

[00:43:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Because I'm feeling very musical inclined.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, move on, rouge or married pop-ins.

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That you know?

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You okay?

[00:43:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Hamilton.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's try to.

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Not Hamilton because I can't wrap.

[00:43:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You got to watch those seeing too much because then we'll get like copyrighted things or something.

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I'm not stealing anybody's tune or words or anything.

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you are.

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_02]: If you're singing it.

[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_08]: If I'm singing it, what song am I copyrighting from?

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought you just said you're going to sing well on Rouge or something like that.

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I said I'm feeling musically inclined musical such as and then I was naming musicals.

[00:44:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So I was saying if you sing that I'm not going to be copyrighted.

[00:44:15] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not going to sing those musicals.

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_08]: I was saying, you know, musicals exist in the world.

[00:44:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Here are some.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Ah.

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Not that I was going to sing those.

[00:44:24] [SPEAKER_02]: I was confused.

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.

[00:44:27] [SPEAKER_08]: I just was trying to explain what musically inclined meant.

[00:44:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Got it.

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Not that I am talented with music, but that there are musicals.

[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Here's what I mean.

[00:44:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought you meant you were inclined to sing one of those throughout the episode.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Nope.

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Nope.

[00:44:40] [SPEAKER_02]: That's all I was saying.

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Because I'm trying to get that copyright step on me.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_08]: That makes better sense.

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_08]: We got that.

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:44:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You ready to read the fucking Bible?

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_08]: No.

[00:44:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:44:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Do not rejoice.

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_08]: It is real.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Do not be jubilant.

[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Like the other nations.

[00:45:02] [SPEAKER_08]: It's been good.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_02]: You got this so far.

[00:45:05] [SPEAKER_08]: For you've been on faithful to your God.

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Could never have guessed.

[00:45:10] [SPEAKER_04]: You love the wages of a prostitute at every thrashing floor.

[00:45:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I just, I don't know what we're doing.

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we can't hear.

[00:45:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_02]: The same shit.

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_02]: What are we talking about prostitutes for?

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_08]: We're always talking about prostitutes.

[00:45:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Why do we love the wages of the prostitute?

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Because if you're on the thrashing floor.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You fucking.

[00:45:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You're, yeah.

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_08]: No, I don't think that's what it is.

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean.

[00:45:39] [SPEAKER_08]: I think if that you love the wages of a prostitute.

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_08]: I think it's just like just another way of saying that all of your goods, you're giving

[00:45:48] [SPEAKER_08]: away to other gods.

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_08]: And that is like selling yourself.

[00:45:53] [SPEAKER_08]: But I mean, obviously I will check notes later.

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't really come across anything specific in my precursory glance.

[00:46:01] [SPEAKER_08]: But that'll definitely be a question.

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_08]: But I assume just at what we are talking about, what we've been talking about when they

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_08]: are giving up their goods to other gods.

[00:46:13] [SPEAKER_08]: That is adultery and the other nations are.

[00:46:17] [SPEAKER_08]: And the other gods are prostitutes that Israel is pain.

[00:46:23] [SPEAKER_02]: So it symbolizes the temporary pleasures and material gains associated with the sinful behaviors

[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_02]: that God's same that they're doing in all I can say.

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_08]: So it's just more of the same bullshit.

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's read some and then I'll just surprise seeing against her.

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:46:39] [SPEAKER_08]: The washing floors and wine presses will not feed the people.

[00:46:43] [SPEAKER_08]: The new wine will fail them.

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.

[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Not long.

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Because they're not able to grow their wines.

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So there's the last chapter where they were like, not going to have like,

[00:46:54] [SPEAKER_02]: There's some stuff like that because God's going to be like, no fuck you.

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_08]: God's like, fuck those grapes.

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Fuck this grape.

[00:46:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Fuck that grape.

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Fuck all of those grapes.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[00:47:01] [SPEAKER_08]: These grapes.

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_07]: Fuck.

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Yep.

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_08]: They will not remain in the Lord's land.

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Ephraim will return to Egypt and eat unclean food in a Syria.

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.

[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_08]: They will not pour out wine offerings to the Lord.

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Nor will their sacrifice as please him.

[00:47:20] [SPEAKER_07]: See?

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Such sacrifices will be to them like the bread of mourners.

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Brumbrum, brum, brum, brum, brum.

[00:47:29] [SPEAKER_08]: All who eat them will be on clean, on clean, on clean, on clean.

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I think wife is very jubilant.

[00:47:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so happy.

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_08]: You can't know.

[00:47:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I've just been like, and by such, you're getting such a special episode.

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just not even by a design.

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just happening.

[00:47:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, since my cast and then my brace came off, I've just been or splint.

[00:48:00] [SPEAKER_08]: I keep saying splint and brace wrong.

[00:48:02] [SPEAKER_08]: First of all, it was the splint.

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Now I have the brace anyway.

[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Since the cast and then the splint came off, I've just been like, clinging and unclinging

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_08]: My fist just because I can.

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, looking my fangies.

[00:48:13] [SPEAKER_08]: My fangies, they move and then do it.

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_08]: They go in.

[00:48:17] [SPEAKER_08]: This food will be for themselves.

[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_08]: It will not come into the temple of the Lord.

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't blame them.

[00:48:27] [SPEAKER_02]: If God's stop his shit from growing and you're whined from making things correct,

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I bet, yeah, I'm just keeping my fucking food dude.

[00:48:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So you can fuck right off with your 10%.

[00:48:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Do fuck right off.

[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_08]: What will you do on the day of your appointment at festivals?

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_08]: On the feast days of the Lord?

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_08]: What will you do, honey?

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Stay at home and avoid, you know, having a mingle with your neighbors and eat your food that you fucking made.

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Wait, that's what we do.

[00:48:53] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, it's 20, 24.

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Nothing has changed.

[00:48:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Even if they escape from destruction, each up will gather them and Memphis will bury them.

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_08]: I remember Memphis was a like capital city of Egypt.

[00:49:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but whenever I hear the word Memphis,

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_02]: all I can ever think of is Tennessee.

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that is where Memphis is.

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But no, it's as there's a song by a lot of it called I've been to Memphis and it's like one of my favorite songs.

[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So whenever I hear Memphis says first thing, I think of it.

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And when we went down to Memphis, I was like, hell yeah, I'm in Memphis.

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the place where that song was written about.

[00:49:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I had, um, I had, what was that stuff called?

[00:49:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Jump, jump, jump.

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no.

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, come on.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I had gumbo.

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_02]: You did.

[00:49:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I never had gumbo before it was so fucking great.

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_02]: That was some good food.

[00:49:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And now one of my places I've always wanted to visit and I'm sad that you know,

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I got hit by a hurricane like Katrina, kind of ruined New Orleans.

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's one of the places I've always always always wanted to visit.

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And no, I need to go down there still because I need to jump a lie down in Louisiana.

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Of course.

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Because that's where you eat it.

[00:50:04] [SPEAKER_02]: That's where you eat it.

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it is.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But the one I had in Memphis was, I mean, I can't home raving about it for like probably the next six months.

[00:50:12] [SPEAKER_08]: You're still raving about it.

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm still, yeah, this is years later.

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_08]: You've never saw it.

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_02]: This is like a decade later.

[00:50:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Actually.

[00:50:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I still talk about that goddamn gumbo.

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh my God.

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_08]: When I think back how long ago that was.

[00:50:24] [SPEAKER_08]: We were babies.

[00:50:25] [SPEAKER_08]: But you know what?

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_02]: The best part was that song that I like.

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been the Memphis song by that little bit.

[00:50:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Now we can say I've been the Memphis.

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_08]: You can.

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Now when you see it, I'm really interested.

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I've been the Memphis.

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:50:35] [SPEAKER_02]: So you heard it was great.

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_02]: That's all.

[00:50:37] Yep.

[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, remember we stayed in a hotel that across the street.

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_08]: The beep was staying at the hotel across the street.

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_02]: No, there was a concert for the bee that that.

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Hmm, okay.

[00:50:47] [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't a hotel.

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_08]: I was like, I'm sorry.

[00:50:51] [SPEAKER_08]: I have the details confused because I was never in the am.

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_08]: And and one of our friends was like, it's the beep because we're like, what's happening

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_08]: out there?

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_08]: It's the beep.

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_08]: The beep is here and we were like, what's a beep?

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_08]: When we kept asking everybody.

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_08]: They were like, Justin Bieber and we were like, oh yeah.

[00:51:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Because he's already new at the time.

[00:51:09] [SPEAKER_08]: He was just putting his height and neither of our kids were into him at all.

[00:51:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Like one was two old and one was two young.

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_08]: And I was uninterested.

[00:51:19] [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm like, what's a babe?

[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, we were more like, we've really placed.

[00:51:24] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the wisdom.

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Which turns out to be one of his girlfriends.

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm silly.

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_08]: That's not going.

[00:51:29] [SPEAKER_08]: So that was so much.

[00:51:32] [SPEAKER_08]: She's way too good for him.

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're also way off track.

[00:51:36] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, yeah, we are.

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_08]: But the wizards of wave really placed was like the best Nickelodeon or whatever show ever.

[00:51:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Pretty good.

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if it was Nickelodeon.

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I might have been Disney.

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea.

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably was Disney.

[00:51:48] [SPEAKER_02]: I think they were Disney.

[00:51:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I was a Disney girl.

[00:51:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Disney Princess girl could be.

[00:51:54] [SPEAKER_08]: I just call all those shows Nickelodeon.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Because that's what they are in my mind.

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Got it.

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Like remember, we back when we were kids kids incorporated.

[00:52:03] [SPEAKER_08]: That was the original after school Saturday morning show.

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Never really watched that.

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I was all Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers from the show.

[00:52:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, listen to me.

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_08]: When me and my sister came home on Saturdays and or no,

[00:52:16] [SPEAKER_08]: when we came home from school on Fridays,

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_08]: we would fight for the newspaper unless my mom had some reason

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_08]: or another mysteriously bought a TV guide.

[00:52:29] [SPEAKER_08]: So it was either the newspaper or everyone's in all the TV guide.

[00:52:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it was most of, I mean like for us too.

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It was most of all.

[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_08]: It was most of all.

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_08]: We went take markers and we would box out what we were going to watch the next day Saturday morning.

[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Same.

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_08]: And I mean, it was always like, all that you watch this if you let me watch that.

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_08]: And this is the one we agree that we both want to watch.

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_08]: So there was always one.

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:52:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Like I think ours was like, she wrote or he man.

[00:52:58] [SPEAKER_08]: I think what she was doing is brief run.

[00:53:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember.

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I definitely watched masters, you know, he man.

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't watch that.

[00:53:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But so you had a sister.

[00:53:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So sisters and I had a brother.

[00:53:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So brothers.

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And we watched shit like, you know, transformers and thundercats and

[00:53:17] [SPEAKER_02]: GI Joe and we watched the Xman cartoon.

[00:53:20] [SPEAKER_02]: The Xman show was crazy.

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_08]: That was so good.

[00:53:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I love that one.

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_08]: It was really good.

[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:53:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Very strong cartoon.

[00:53:26] [SPEAKER_08]: It's still to all audiences.

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Of course we watched things like this.

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, who was he?

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I had to watch this.

[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Did you ever watch the poppoles?

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I briefly.

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:53:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Because we actually did have one year where we got poppoles for Christmas.

[00:53:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Same.

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.

[00:53:38] [SPEAKER_02]: We must have watched the poppoles.

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:53:39] [SPEAKER_08]: That was fun.

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_08]: I know you watched the, um, the gummy bears.

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, of course.

[00:53:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Because we both sing the gum.

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You're in there and everywhere.

[00:53:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.

[00:53:48] [SPEAKER_08]: How do you watch the adventures of the on compare?

[00:53:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_08]: I love the gummy bears.

[00:53:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_08]: So yeah, we always marks down kids incorporated.

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_08]: That was our both, we both love that show got it.

[00:54:01] [SPEAKER_08]: So it was very important.

[00:54:03] [SPEAKER_08]: It was like one of those high priority shows.

[00:54:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why, but it was never something that we watched.

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So I have no idea.

[00:54:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where that was on, honestly.

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_08]: There was another show that my sister hated.

[00:54:17] [SPEAKER_08]: And so I had to give up so much if I wanted to watch this.

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_08]: It was called Kid Video.

[00:54:23] [SPEAKER_08]: And it was these people, these like teenagers are in a rock band, right?

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_08]: And these bad guys are coming to steal their music or something.

[00:54:32] [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

[00:54:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Quite how it worked.

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_08]: But they ended up getting sucked into the TV.

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh.

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_08]: It's a cartoon land.

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:54:40] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's the whole show was them being running away from the bad guy producer,

[00:54:46] [SPEAKER_08]: or whatever, in cartoon land.

[00:54:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Our childhood really loved the idea of putting real

[00:54:50] [SPEAKER_02]: people in cartoons and things.

[00:54:53] [SPEAKER_02]: That was like a thing that happened a lot.

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_02]: A Roger Rabbit comes to mind, right?

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh my god, that's such a good movie.

[00:55:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Seeing the movie as a child versus seeing the movie as an adult, it hits so different.

[00:55:05] [SPEAKER_07]: Sure.

[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_08]: We really need to watch that again as like middle age adults.

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Just to see what we missed.

[00:55:12] [SPEAKER_08]: And I don't think the kid has seen it.

[00:55:14] [SPEAKER_08]: We need to make Kid watch that.

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:55:16] [SPEAKER_02]: We get to kid that watch that one with us.

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_08]: You know what, if you are like, this is what we're doing.

[00:55:21] [SPEAKER_08]: They might, especially if we're like, you could just draw while you watch him.

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[00:55:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Then they'll get sucked in.

[00:55:26] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[00:55:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. That's how we mind control our child.

[00:55:29] [SPEAKER_07]: Sure.

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. Let's get back to this.

[00:55:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Ready?

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:55:32] [SPEAKER_08]: So you've been to Memphis and that's where they bury.

[00:55:35] [SPEAKER_08]: What are they bury?

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Even if they escape from destruction,

[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Egypt will gather them and Memphis will bury them.

[00:55:41] [SPEAKER_02]: This is kind of very young.

[00:55:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Their treasures of silver will be taken over by buyers.

[00:55:46] [SPEAKER_08]: And the ones will overrun their tents.

[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.

[00:55:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Brayers and boards.

[00:55:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. That's rough.

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_08]: That sounds like sleeping beauty.

[00:55:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Brayers and boards.

[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But they were living in tents though, huh?

[00:55:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_08]: The days of punishment are coming.

[00:56:00] [SPEAKER_08]: The days of reckoning are at hand.

[00:56:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Let is, Ray. Oh, no this.

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:56:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:56:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Because your sins are so many and your hostility is so great.

[00:56:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So many.

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_08]: So profit is considered a fool.

[00:56:15] [SPEAKER_08]: The inspired person, a maniac.

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, maniac.

[00:56:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. That's that strong words.

[00:56:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. Listen.

[00:56:21] [SPEAKER_08]: When it says because your sins are so many and your hostility is so great.

[00:56:25] [SPEAKER_08]: All I could think is like that movie, the Labyrinth or Labyrinth.

[00:56:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Which is like, you know, your king,

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_08]: your for you.

[00:56:34] [SPEAKER_08]: My power is as great and my kingdom is whatever.

[00:56:37] [SPEAKER_08]: I, I messing up the line.

[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And you know, I don't know.

[00:56:40] [SPEAKER_08]: I know. And then like, but at the end she's like, you have no power over me.

[00:56:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I actually feel like it kind of feels like it.

[00:56:48] [SPEAKER_08]: But it feels like it drew from this.

[00:56:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Your sins are so many and your hostility is so great.

[00:56:54] [SPEAKER_08]: For my kingdom is something and my power is great.

[00:56:59] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know whatever.

[00:57:00] [SPEAKER_08]: I have it wrong. Okay.

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_08]: And everybody that's listening to this right now is so mad at me because I get all of the references right.

[00:57:08] [SPEAKER_08]: And then just now I fucked up one of the best movie quotes of all time.

[00:57:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you did just have surgery. So what does blame on on that?

[00:57:16] [SPEAKER_08]: That is true.

[00:57:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[00:57:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, sympathy sympathy sympathy.

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Sorry everyone.

[00:57:23] [SPEAKER_08]: The prophet along with my god is the watchman over EPROM.

[00:57:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, now's a weight him on all his paths and hostility in the house of his

[00:57:35] [SPEAKER_08]: family.

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, do you like that?

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Hi.

[00:57:41] [SPEAKER_08]: My kids can search music for it.

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Just for the record.

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_02]: We're really just kind of doing this because this book has been the same fucking thing over

[00:57:50] [SPEAKER_02]: and over again.

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_08]: I need to shake things up.

[00:57:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I've got to have some fun.

[00:57:54] [SPEAKER_02]: It's our first time back after wife is kind of her other hand back.

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of somewhat.

[00:58:00] [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm not up for boring.

[00:58:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:58:02] [SPEAKER_02]: This wasn't a day for boring.

[00:58:03] [SPEAKER_08]: No.

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_08]: I need to have fun.

[00:58:05] [SPEAKER_08]: This is fun.

[00:58:06] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, don't I just sometimes burst in the song sometimes?

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_08]: You do?

[00:58:09] [SPEAKER_08]: No reason.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_02]: You do.

[00:58:10] [SPEAKER_02]: You yelled him earlier and song.

[00:58:12] [SPEAKER_08]: I did.

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_08]: I was like, why are the boxes stacked so high?

[00:58:17] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not tall enough to reach them.

[00:58:19] [SPEAKER_08]: You fucking asshole.

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:58:21] [SPEAKER_08]: That's how a yell it has been a lot of times.

[00:58:24] [SPEAKER_08]: It's more fun that way.

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_02]: You think so.

[00:58:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And I used to do jazz hands, but obviously you know, having been able to do that.

[00:58:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you could do jazz hand.

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:58:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[00:58:33] [SPEAKER_08]: It's not the same.

[00:58:35] [SPEAKER_08]: They have sunk deep into corruption as in the days of Gabya.

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_02]: No, those damn days.

[00:58:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Remember those days?

[00:58:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Those are rough days.

[00:58:43] [SPEAKER_02]: They were deep.

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_02]: They were not great.

[00:58:45] [SPEAKER_08]: They were so not good.

[00:58:48] [SPEAKER_02]: They have a lot of corruption.

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_08]: They did.

[00:58:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Deep.

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_08]: God will remember their wickedness and punish them for their sins.

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Of course you will.

[00:58:56] [SPEAKER_08]: I do well.

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_08]: When I found Israel, it was like finding grapes in the desert.

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_08]: When I saw your ancestors, it was like seeing the early film on the fig tree.

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_08]: But when they came to Bopiore, they consecrated themselves to that shameful idols.

[00:59:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Those damn shameful idols.

[00:59:23] [SPEAKER_08]: And became as bile as a thing that loved.

[00:59:29] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm so glad you're enjoying this.

[00:59:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what else to do.

[00:59:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I've just kind of like, wife is going to just do this.

[00:59:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So we're doing this.

[00:59:38] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm doing what I'm doing.

[00:59:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It's happening.

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the thing that's going on.

[00:59:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Look, here's the thing.

[00:59:42] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the thing.

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Here's the thing.

[00:59:44] [SPEAKER_08]: We said that we were going to read every word of the Bible.

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And we are doing it by God.

[00:59:49] [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't say I was going to do it well.

[00:59:52] [SPEAKER_08]: And I didn't say I was going to do it without song.

[00:59:55] [SPEAKER_02]: That's true.

[00:59:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And to be fair, if we go back, there was a song.

[01:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And we talked about this occasionally.

[01:00:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a myth.

[01:00:02] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a legend.

[01:00:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a thing.

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_02]: There is an episode where we're saying wrapped maybe the whole fucking thing.

[01:00:08] [SPEAKER_08]: It was so not good.

[01:00:10] [SPEAKER_08]: I should have just taken it up on myself.

[01:00:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm honestly surprised that some of our fans make it past that one.

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, who?

[01:00:17] [SPEAKER_02]: That one was rough.

[01:00:19] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm like, oh, y'all are for real.

[01:00:21] [SPEAKER_02]: When I find it at the case, like every day, everyone's well, I find it.

[01:00:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, oh, that was almost want to delete that one.

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, all right.

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_08]: God, whatever.

[01:00:32] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't mind because every single thing that we have done thus far is just a step further down the path to where we're going.

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It's like that song if you don't know me by now.

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:00:41] [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll never know that.

[01:00:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You didn't know us by then.

[01:00:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[01:00:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You were never going to know us.

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_08]: But I have to tell you, I hate that fucking song because verse two, right?

[01:00:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Verse two, um, he goes, um, don't get a little offended.

[01:00:56] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't want to bust him fight.

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_08]: You know, if I stay out of little late at night and I'm like, uh, no excuse you.

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_08]: If you see that a little late at night as my partner, whether I'm married to you or your my boyfriend or whatever as my partner.

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_08]: I reserve the right to say, hey, where you been.

[01:01:16] [SPEAKER_08]: And if you say, don't worry about it.

[01:01:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Then I'm not going to worry about it.

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to kick your ass out.

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_08]: And I don't think that me saying that is a bad thing.

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Like, I don't, I don't think that me feeling that way makes me possessive or obsessive or crazy or dramatic or needy or clingy or overly emotional because I guarantee you any boyfriend I've ever had if I stay out of little late at night.

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_08]: And he says, hey, where you been?

[01:01:46] [SPEAKER_08]: If I said, don't worry about it.

[01:01:48] [SPEAKER_08]: If I said that, yeah.

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Is he going to be like, oh, okay, yeah, sure.

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_08]: That's fine.

[01:01:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[01:01:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Help to the know.

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So in and in, it's a little of us be honest here.

[01:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, so I'm of two minds here, right?

[01:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: There well, no action.

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not because you and I, we have been together for a long time.

[01:02:06] [SPEAKER_08]: We have like 500 years.

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_02]: And if I stayed out late at night, you wouldn't really worry,

[01:02:10] [SPEAKER_02]: but also you would know what I'm doing.

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So it wouldn't really be an issue anyway, right?

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Like we communicate.

[01:02:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, here's the thing.

[01:02:17] [SPEAKER_08]: I've never once said that this is a thing you have to do.

[01:02:21] [SPEAKER_08]: And yet, every night before you leave work,

[01:02:24] [SPEAKER_08]: every night without fail, you 99% call 1% text

[01:02:30] [SPEAKER_08]: to let me know that you're on the way home.

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[01:02:32] [SPEAKER_08]: And you let me know that because you work just far enough away

[01:02:36] [SPEAKER_08]: that it gives me time to like finish up what I'm doing

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_08]: before you walk in the door or have dinner going

[01:02:44] [SPEAKER_08]: or like whatever else.

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Or do I need to stop anywhere and pick stuff up?

[01:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That's more why I call it honestly.

[01:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, and it courtesy also.

[01:02:54] [SPEAKER_08]: No, I know.

[01:02:55] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just from the beginning.

[01:02:57] [SPEAKER_08]: You just have always done that.

[01:02:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_08]: And we just, I don't need to worry about it.

[01:03:04] [SPEAKER_08]: I know where you are.

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_08]: So if you were staying out late, I would know.

[01:03:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, he's with his brother.

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_08]: He probably will stay out a little late or oh, he's with a

[01:03:14] [SPEAKER_08]: buddy that he hasn't seen in like two decades.

[01:03:17] [SPEAKER_08]: He's definitely going to stay out late.

[01:03:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Which, you know, both of those.

[01:03:20] [SPEAKER_02]: The point is that we communicate and let each other know

[01:03:22] [SPEAKER_02]: what we were doing.

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[01:03:24] [SPEAKER_08]: So if you just like stayed out late one night and like hadn't told me

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_08]: and just didn't answer.

[01:03:29] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, okay for one thing, one time you didn't answer

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_08]: your mom's call.

[01:03:33] [SPEAKER_03]: She had to call you a work.

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_08]: This is so funny.

[01:03:36] [SPEAKER_08]: She tried to call husband at work, right?

[01:03:40] [SPEAKER_08]: And I guess that husband has his mom trained so that it

[01:03:45] [SPEAKER_08]: he's always just responded within 10 minutes.

[01:03:49] [SPEAKER_08]: I didn't know that that was a fucking option.

[01:03:52] [SPEAKER_08]: So when one time he did not call her back within 10 minutes,

[01:03:56] [SPEAKER_08]: she called me in an other panic asking if she should

[01:04:00] [SPEAKER_08]: call the police and have them go to the store.

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_08]: And I was like, what?

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely not.

[01:04:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Are you insane?

[01:04:08] [SPEAKER_08]: And like it was just a misunderstanding because like I have

[01:04:13] [SPEAKER_08]: called husband thousands of times and he doesn't answer

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_08]: and he might not get back to me in 10 minutes.

[01:04:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I've worked at job.

[01:04:19] [SPEAKER_08]: I know how it is when you're dealing with the public.

[01:04:23] [SPEAKER_08]: You don't always have that opportunity.

[01:04:25] [SPEAKER_08]: So I just wasn't a big deal to me.

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_08]: So I didn't have anything to do with it.

[01:04:33] [SPEAKER_08]: But as you were dealing with,

[01:04:39] [SPEAKER_08]: I went to the hospital to do this,

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You're sitting there so...

[01:04:45] [SPEAKER_02]: The hospital in the hospital?

[01:04:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So if I can't.

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_02]: You're sure that people watch me.

[01:04:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Because she said, I bring her.

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_05]: You want her to come all the way up.

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_05]: Okay see.

[01:04:55] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like a I don't actually answer. I'm just like god, you know

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Well the time that you didn't she lost her fucking mind right? So now you have to always do that

[01:05:08] [SPEAKER_08]: But that's the thing though like if you did not come home from work

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_08]: If I had never seen the call from you I'd be like okay the place is closed right and I haven't heard from you yet

[01:05:20] [SPEAKER_08]: You've been known to stay an hour after finishing up a deal or whatever

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_08]: But if it's past that and I still haven't heard from you. I'm calling you. Well, yeah, and then

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_08]: And I would expect you to call me right and that's not because I'm being dramatic or cleaning your knees

[01:05:35] [SPEAKER_08]: That's because your expect you will lie happened is everything okay. Are you somewhere on 75 and your phone is dead?

[01:05:42] [SPEAKER_08]: And you forgot to like text me or something before you left. Yeah, so I don't know

[01:05:47] [SPEAKER_08]: I just feel like that song doesn't it doesn't it doesn't hit right it doesn't get it doesn't get it

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Right, you know I I reserve the right to always know where my partner is and for my partner to always know where I am and for us to

[01:06:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Respectfully

[01:06:01] [SPEAKER_08]: leave each other alone but also to check in yeah like there's just this balance and if you ain't got it

[01:06:08] [SPEAKER_08]: You ain't got it right right so anyway e-frames glory will fly like a bird

[01:06:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Fly like a me

[01:06:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Even don't know with his home is he from don't know where soul is I'm just like wife

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Just go where she's going with this one because I'm just don't even know okay. Well e-frames glory will fly away like a bird

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking fly like an eagle

[01:06:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's right. I thought you were going with it

[01:06:40] [SPEAKER_08]: You know she was like what right? Yeah future. Yeah, okay

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_08]: So no birth no pregnancy no conception

[01:06:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh

[01:06:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're gonna stop

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_08]: He's gonna they're gonna fuck and fuck and fuck and this is your gonna happen. This is your time

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_08]: If all you want to do is fuck but you don't want babies and you're out of the school

[01:07:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Especially a bad thing, right? Yeah, is it bad thing because they they want kids?

[01:07:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, they want kids and lots of kids it was very important to them. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so a lot of times

[01:07:11] [SPEAKER_08]: They were turning to these idols for fertility right and so God's like oh

[01:07:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, I'm not half kids. Yeah, you want it fertility

[01:07:21] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm gonna take that shit away from you

[01:07:23] [SPEAKER_08]: So not only are you not gonna be extra fertile?

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_08]: You're gonna be less than fertile. I bet they didn't work out so well

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I bet some of those people still had kids. I don't know just guessing here probably

[01:07:33] [SPEAKER_08]: You know, I mean one with they ain't right maybe there was fewer. I mean like right now like

[01:07:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Millions and younger

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_08]: They are

[01:07:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Having fewer kids than generations before them sure, but that's a different phenomenon

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Well here's the thing right during hard times people tend to not have kids as much right? Right

[01:07:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So if the world was already you know not letting the wine grow or the grapes grow

[01:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: You know for the wine and and you know things were hard or something

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_02]: People would probably stop having as many kids right?

[01:08:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Well famine and disease is gonna make people not want a fuck right yeah

[01:08:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Regardless of whether kids are on the table, you know sure. Yeah, so I don't know

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Even if they rear children, I will be revved them of every one hold on what

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Taking their kids away. Is that what I'm just killing kids now to punish the okay always with the kids

[01:08:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Really shitty thing for God to do I love it when God kills kids

[01:08:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Fucking killer God that y'all way. Yes

[01:08:37] [SPEAKER_02]: That's actually a very horrible statement right? Mm-hmm because if you have a child and and

[01:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: God forbid you lose that child, right? Yeah, if you are

[01:08:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Religious you it could be construed that God took that child away from you for something you did or

[01:08:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Just a horrible thing so let me take this this how do you take this horrible event and just and

[01:09:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Turn it on the person as it's there fall right? That's what people say God has a plan

[01:09:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Meaning it might be your fault but God's plan includes killing kids to punish the parents

[01:09:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but you're just a stupid warm human. You don't know that's that's fucked up the ineffable plan is just so big

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Your mind can't grasp it. Oh

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_02]: My grass murder pretty well. It's not cool man. I'm sorry, but it's for the greater good. You can't know

[01:09:29] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just not you can't know. It's the Charlie problem

[01:09:32] [SPEAKER_02]: No, this is a God problem

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, so let's just reverse 12 again. Yeah even if they rear children

[01:09:42] [SPEAKER_08]: I will be reave them of every one

[01:09:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Whoa to them when I turn away from them

[01:09:49] [SPEAKER_08]: When you piss me the fuck off and I turn away

[01:09:52] [SPEAKER_08]: I will kill all your children. That's what that petty fuck just did yeah speaking of dramatic

[01:09:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Clean-in-eating and overly emotional like what we were just saying that women are from that song

[01:10:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, no that God is all of those

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's absolutely

[01:10:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just messed up. I

[01:10:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Have seen even like tear planted in a pleasant place

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_08]: But Ephraim will bring out their children to the slayer

[01:10:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Give them Lord what will you give them give them wounds that miscarry and breasts that are dry

[01:10:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Jesus because of all their wickedness and Gilgle

[01:10:32] [SPEAKER_08]: I hated them there. Oh God hates people. I think this is a dude saying this. I think this is Josiah

[01:10:39] [SPEAKER_02]: What Josiah saying why is Josiah anything in this chapter? This is Joseia. That's what I said no, it's not I know

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But let's pretend that's what I said but Joseia supposed to be speaking for God though, right? Yeah, but

[01:10:54] [SPEAKER_08]: That previous like verse 12 and 13 yeah, I believe that's in psychotation marks

[01:11:00] [SPEAKER_08]: So I think that was God, but now this is hose head talking well

[01:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's very convoluted at the very least and based on the fact that he's killing people's children to get back at them

[01:11:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Him hating them would be you know

[01:11:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Believable in my mind as well, so yeah

[01:11:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Just like I can't tell because a lot of these ultimately doesn't matter cuz guys not real

[01:11:22] [SPEAKER_02]: But but you know when we're talking about reading the Bible and responding to people about how what is in the Bible?

[01:11:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah matters a little bit, but not too much when we're already talking about God killing children

[01:11:33] [SPEAKER_02]: True, you know this just semantics at that point right like you killed children dude

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah, I don't know if this is God or Jose talking like you said it doesn't matter because of all their wickedness and

[01:11:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Gilgol. I hate it them there because of their simple deeds

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_08]: I will drive them out in my house. This is God talking

[01:11:52] [SPEAKER_08]: I will no longer love them all their leaders are rebellious

[01:11:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Just hands white did jaz hand and

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_08]: From it's plighted their route is weathered they you know food even if they bear children

[01:12:10] [SPEAKER_08]: I will slay their cherished off-screen

[01:12:13] [SPEAKER_08]: There we go killing children again. I love killing children

[01:12:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Dead babies are so fun right?

[01:12:21] [SPEAKER_08]: No, no, no, no, we don't need babies

[01:12:24] [SPEAKER_08]: No, and we don't kill babies. I thought that's what atheists are right now and for

[01:12:28] [SPEAKER_08]: It almost seems like maybe the Israelites did that because they wrote about it so fucking much right?

[01:12:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, they like love talking about hey, let's kill children

[01:12:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that they just hated anybody that wasn't like them. They were very xenophobic

[01:12:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they were they did not like other cultures

[01:12:44] [SPEAKER_02]: It's they only like their own people right and even at that

[01:12:48] [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't like all their own people right right and to be perfectly honest the way that they talk through their God

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, through the Bible through these words right?

[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like they're more hateful than some of the other cultures the conquered them at some point. Yeah. Yeah, yeah

[01:13:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Like they are not good people no they were just like all of the other nasty cultures that we learn about like

[01:13:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Like some self-American cultures that like

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_08]: You know, they threw their children on the fire at the top of the

[01:13:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Fucking pyramid and I forget whatever all those fucking

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Places

[01:13:23] [SPEAKER_08]: They cultures yeah

[01:13:27] [SPEAKER_08]: They seem as bad as those right is all I'm trying to say yeah, all these I mean they didn't sacrifice children

[01:13:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But they would kill them if they turned away from God. Yeah, so I mean that's bad

[01:13:36] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's not good and apparently sometimes they did when they turned away from y'all way

[01:13:39] [SPEAKER_08]: And they turned to these other gods they did kill children

[01:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean they're saying God did it, but you know if whatever

[01:13:46] [SPEAKER_02]: They were at least okay with children dying before their god at very least absolutely yeah

[01:13:52] [SPEAKER_08]: My god will reject them because they have not obeyed him

[01:13:58] [SPEAKER_08]: They will be wanderers among the nation

[01:14:05] [SPEAKER_02]: There we go spreading them out and moving them on

[01:14:13] [SPEAKER_08]: The end oh

[01:14:15] [SPEAKER_02]: My

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Wow what that was a key that was quite the performance. That was a tree and you fucking know it

[01:14:23] [SPEAKER_08]: You know what you're welcome that's what yeah

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't you know you mentioned it earlier, but I couldn't help if think of me one

[01:14:30] [SPEAKER_02]: When you said that

[01:14:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Mewana you're welcome whenever you know that bit

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_08]: That was not doing any justice there. No, that was the best part of the whole movie right the your welcome

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_08]: That's pretty good song. I fucking laugh every time I hear it and every time I think of

[01:14:45] [SPEAKER_08]: What's his name the rock thing in it? Yeah, yeah

[01:14:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Duane the rock Johnson. Duane John. I guess you didn't even use the rock no he's just Wayne Johnson. Yeah, yeah, but I've heard he leaves

[01:14:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Right wing like okay

[01:15:00] [SPEAKER_08]: What I've heard most is that he tries to stay on political because it's the smarter business move right

[01:15:07] [SPEAKER_08]: But that when he has spoken up every once in a while that he leans right wing I see

[01:15:14] [SPEAKER_08]: And that makes sense because he's a rich book and a wrestler there's a lot of rich people that aren't you know right wing

[01:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: But it really depends on what with his right wing means

[01:15:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Physical public and you want to keep all of his riches and not let any of the poor of the money

[01:15:31] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's the lesser of the eagles at this point. So they're all I don't believe in degrees of evil quite honestly

[01:15:37] [SPEAKER_02]: I do to it just to certain extent

[01:15:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean murder to me is definitely best of course than uh okay. You know I hear you

[01:15:46] [SPEAKER_08]: But when we're talking about a fifth goal Republican they laid the path for people like Trump

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_08]: when they are so

[01:15:56] [SPEAKER_08]: in

[01:15:57] [SPEAKER_08]: They're just so like I have to keep all of me millions and I can't share them. I have to hold the wealth

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_08]: No the polls cannot have free lunch. What the fuck is art thou thinking?

[01:16:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Like I'm sorry but when you start like having to board your money that way and again

[01:16:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to distinguish the difference between people who actively took those policies and use social

[01:16:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Reasonings to

[01:16:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Implement policies

[01:16:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Through the Republican Party and change everything

[01:16:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Versus a

[01:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Who's just part of the Republican Party and votes Republican because of fiscal reasons there's a big difference between the coke brothers

[01:16:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And somebody who just votes Republican for fiscal reasons just want to barf that's all over the whole thing

[01:16:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, but if you could still call yourself

[01:16:46] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm just a public and but only a fiscal one if you can even a little bit with a straight face say that you're Republican right now

[01:16:53] [SPEAKER_08]: I just can't with you, you know

[01:16:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have a problem with it as long as you're not put in for Trump

[01:16:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I do because I don't see how you can call yourself anything that is reasonable and vote for Trump

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm sorry because you are saying that people like Liz Cheney should get a pass and I'm like

[01:17:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I we were discussing fiscal Republicans. I was not discussing social Republicans and people that have that have issues

[01:17:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And that want to implement

[01:17:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Laws that are based on Christian values into our into our government. I have series issues with that

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_02]: That's not what I'm discussing. I'm discussing the people who are

[01:17:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Mostly part of things like the Lincoln Project right now who used to be Republicans and

[01:17:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Now are not because of where the Republican Party is gone right they're not democratic

[01:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: But they are pretty democracy. I'm talking about people that are rational thinkers and don't want

[01:17:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Our country to fall apart due to a theocracy

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm talking about those are the people that I can have a rational discussion

[01:17:49] [SPEAKER_08]: I hear a hear what you're saying. I just can't hope a feel like

[01:17:53] [SPEAKER_08]: That kind of thinking where it's money first everything else later

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: The fiscal Republicans that you can have a you can have a

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Conversation with that person that is not based on emotion as much so as with social policies. I agree with you

[01:18:12] [SPEAKER_08]: But I still feel like

[01:18:14] [SPEAKER_08]: That kind of way of thinking about policies is still what helped pave the road for somebody like Trump

[01:18:23] [SPEAKER_02]: To eventually come down the pipe. Absolutely did in our current government in this current world that we live in and the way things worked out

[01:18:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That is exactly what that's why I hate

[01:18:33] [SPEAKER_02]: This school Republicans as much as any other kind of a good fiscal Republicans that caused this it was the social

[01:18:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Issues that caused this that they put into this system

[01:18:43] [SPEAKER_02]: To create the base that would vote for them to do these things. I hear you, but I disagree with you

[01:18:48] [SPEAKER_08]: And that's okay, all right, all right, because I like to sing

[01:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you do and you did and I did yeah, and I gave you a jazz hand you gave me a jazz hands that was that was very important

[01:18:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_02]: That was that was Josea chapter nine. Jose had chapter nine and did it was and

[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably I don't know when exactly this is gonna go out but we're gonna have like chapter nine

[01:19:11] [SPEAKER_02]: chapter 10 and

[01:19:14] [SPEAKER_02]: The Q&A

[01:19:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Saturday

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, it'll be on Sunday

[01:19:20] [SPEAKER_02]: But it all this will be coming out before Monday right, so and then we'll be back on track

[01:19:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Four Mondays we play on doing Josea chapter 11 on Monday. Yeah, so I just I know that's not the normal way

[01:19:34] [SPEAKER_02]: We in the episode, but we have a lot of things kind of working here

[01:19:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, between right now and the end of this weekend

[01:19:39] [SPEAKER_08]: So we're just trying to get back on track for you guys right right

[01:19:42] [SPEAKER_02]: All right well thank you everybody for being patient with us and I hope you enjoyed this musical version of

[01:19:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And we'll be back shortly with another episode all right bye

[01:19:59] [SPEAKER_08]: wife do you know where we are and how the hell we got here? I do because we just recorded Josea chapter nine

[01:20:06] [SPEAKER_02]: It was a bit of a impromptu special episode because it was you kind of saying I did just kind of saying I

[01:20:14] [SPEAKER_08]: I think a lot. I think a lot. That's a ranted a lot with a little manic. I think yeah, and we're recording the same night

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_02]: This might have some similar not I don't think we're gonna sing again, maybe probably no, because even that's just too many singing episodes and in one go

[01:20:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Right, but I am gonna say that I might rant more. I just I feel like I've been pinned up and now I'm set free

[01:20:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I can tell I can tell it's it's you've you've uh

[01:20:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Even between our episodes you were ranted at me the entire time. What is I was talking about a

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Insta yeah, and I am all kinds of other things. Yeah, so yeah, there was that

[01:20:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So we just cut done reading Josea chapter eight

[01:20:54] [SPEAKER_02]: No nine nine nine. I'm so sorry. Yeah, but Josea chapter nine and

[01:21:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Once again

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_02]: We talked about Israel's side I'd Dollar Tree and unfaithfulness and and you know

[01:21:07] [SPEAKER_02]: God's gonna give them consequences and they're gonna have like then I can be able to have kids if they with the thing

[01:21:13] [SPEAKER_02]: You know go to the fertility gods and and God's gonna give a

[01:21:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Really and kill their kids and then reject them and and kill their kids some more because that's what God does apparently is kill kids love it as punishment for

[01:21:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Worst being other gods right so

[01:21:29] [SPEAKER_08]: I love and old Israel light

[01:21:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Story about y'all way killing babies and then for Christian people today to tell me that Israelites eat babies

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like you are backwards. So I I generally bring up a

[01:21:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Summary that that I have Google right for me about what the last chapter was about just to prompt my memory

[01:21:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And I just I want to share this bit because it

[01:22:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I just want to share this bit okay, so it says about Josea chapter nine it says in one part of the summary it says

[01:22:07] [SPEAKER_02]: um

[01:22:08] [SPEAKER_02]: While the chapter portrays God's anger it also hence it has deep love and desire for as people to repent and return to him

[01:22:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't I don't really consider child murder as love and any stretch of the imagination

[01:22:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Deep or otherwise right

[01:22:24] [SPEAKER_02]: That hinted right

[01:22:27] [SPEAKER_08]: It spelled out child murder, but it did hint at God's love. I understand Google wants to walk the line with you know

[01:22:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Regarding to Christianity and how it is such a prominent force in our society

[01:22:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like child murder kind of crosses the line between love and hate and stays on the the heat side there

[01:22:47] [SPEAKER_08]: And look at lie just don't say anything

[01:22:49] [SPEAKER_02]: You know and to be fair on that account

[01:22:51] [SPEAKER_02]: It did actually not give me a summary on the first try. I had to go to one of the drafts in order to find

[01:22:58] [SPEAKER_04]: Like oh do I have to

[01:22:59] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it

[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Murder it

[01:23:02] [SPEAKER_02]: They're they're AI thing that I use just like I said just uses like a prompting sting, but it's

[01:23:09] [SPEAKER_02]: It walks a line with regard to politics and then that religion you have to be you have to word things carefully sometimes

[01:23:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But even with the word and carefully

[01:23:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I just asked for summary with the last chapter. It has some trouble with that so

[01:23:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting see how that goes in the future

[01:23:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm

[01:23:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I could find some reason out there other places. It just needs you think to type in before the podcast, you know

[01:23:30] [SPEAKER_02]: So I just it's nice to have right but I thought that was interesting

[01:23:34] [SPEAKER_02]: But the love is just not there for me. No. I don't see that was being a thing no

[01:23:38] [SPEAKER_08]: You can't justify that. I don't care you can try but I'm not gonna hear you right right because

[01:23:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Even the trying like really you want me to give you a fair listen while you attempt to justify

[01:23:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Child death to me not child death child murder. Yes. Thank you

[01:23:55] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to not listen to you and you can talk to you blue and the mother fucking face right how about that?

[01:24:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree so anyway. That was

[01:24:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Josea chapter nine. It sure is fuck what which means that today we're reading

[01:24:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Josea chapter 10 or is I like to call him who's head all right let's do this okay?

[01:24:20] [SPEAKER_08]: All right hoppin into Josea chapter 10 or is I like to call the dude hose head right cuz he sure is fuck is

[01:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Any I you know we could say it's Josea

[01:24:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's the the more legitimate reason but he is just saying the words of God according to the Bible right

[01:24:38] [SPEAKER_02]: So that would make God so yeah

[01:24:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Blimeing they're all kind of who's his yeah, so Israel was a spreading vine okay

[01:24:48] [SPEAKER_08]: He brought forth brute for himself

[01:24:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay as his food increased he built more alters as his land prospered

[01:24:57] [SPEAKER_08]: He adorned his sacred stones kind of how things go you know it's interesting that we're referring to Israel as a he instead of a she's oftentimes

[01:25:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It was they refer to it as she yeah, yeah, so and then they were talking about God marrying Israel and stuff like that

[01:25:11] [SPEAKER_08]: So their heart is deceitful and now they must bear their guilt the Lord will demolage their alters

[01:25:18] [SPEAKER_08]: There's the love and destroy their sequence stones. How loving boom crash power

[01:25:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Then they will say we have no king because we did not review the Lord

[01:25:29] [SPEAKER_08]: But even if we had a king what could he do for us? I

[01:25:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Know my

[01:25:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Making mouse just they make many promises take false oaths and make agreements

[01:25:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Therefore lawsuits bring up like poisonous weeds in a plowed field we have God talking about lawsuits

[01:25:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, God cares about court apparently and not to have any less of this so fucking weird right

[01:25:56] [SPEAKER_08]: So obvious that this is man me. Yeah

[01:26:00] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the part that I can't get over is that you know we pretend we have to pretend because people people believe that this God is like a real thing

[01:26:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, but reading through this there's so many points. There's so many things that just pop up randomly

[01:26:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I say can't you just can't you see right that is not that's not real. Yes, this isn't real guys

[01:26:20] [SPEAKER_08]: I have to say something. I was talking to a friend online who

[01:26:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Was kind of surprised when I said yeah, we've been reading the Bible blah blah blah blah blah blah

[01:26:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Because we're doing it you know for this podcast that we run and he was like oh, so

[01:26:36] [SPEAKER_08]: How long have you been doing this and I told him you know over four years and he was like

[01:26:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Well how many times have been through and I was like

[01:26:44] [SPEAKER_08]: No, we're still on our first time and we're only at Hosea and he was like

[01:26:50] [SPEAKER_08]: You have taken four years to get that far and I was like

[01:26:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Motherfucker we read at least like three to five chapters every week

[01:27:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and yes it is taking us four years because there's a lot of mother fucking chapters

[01:27:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I'm like have you read it and he's like yes multiple times and

[01:27:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Right? No, now he's not a Christian so okay. I tend to believe that he has

[01:27:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Ripped through it. Okay, but I don't know if I believe that he's read it and multiple times

[01:27:24] [SPEAKER_08]: And not taking years to do it right right yeah

[01:27:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I question that a little bit

[01:27:30] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm just like how the fuck yeah

[01:27:32] [SPEAKER_08]: How are you doing this in less than even all year? Right?

[01:27:36] [SPEAKER_02]: That's see I mean it's a monumental it's a large task to be viable regardless of like

[01:27:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I know we spend in the northern and a amount of time per chapter, right? Sure because we discuss it

[01:27:46] [SPEAKER_02]: We talk about it whatever right and I appreciate that. I like that we spend the time on those chapters

[01:27:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, talk about them right agreed but

[01:27:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Even if you were ripping through it like I don't think I would have the

[01:27:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Ability to force myself to read enough of that every night to get it through it and

[01:28:05] [SPEAKER_02]: A reasonable amount like it would take at least a year yeah

[01:28:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know like and that's ripping through and I feel like yeah, and this is a lot of shit, you know

[01:28:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Like I gave us three to five chapters per week because in an ideal week we read age after every night

[01:28:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Monday through Friday right? Yeah, but I know that some weeks we don't always get that

[01:28:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Other one or sometimes we skip a week or two so that's why I said on average

[01:28:31] [SPEAKER_08]: 85 episodes per week sounds good, you know three to five chapters per week yeah

[01:28:36] [SPEAKER_08]: So I was just like we've been plugging away at this for four years and and in this guy's mind

[01:28:42] [SPEAKER_02]: It's nothing right and I'm just like I don't I don't know how much I I don't know

[01:28:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever you can I think people like to it's like the fish tail right like it was this big

[01:28:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But no, it's this big now right so

[01:28:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You may have read the Bible you may have even read it twice

[01:29:02] [SPEAKER_02]: But I've been it took longer than you're kind of admitting right here in this conversation

[01:29:05] [SPEAKER_08]: And maybe even longer than you remember right, you know

[01:29:07] [SPEAKER_02]: I just if if you're reading the book that's riveting and it's a long big book

[01:29:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I can see blasting through it right because you you get sucked in you're reading it more than you should

[01:29:16] [SPEAKER_02]: You're like I'm gonna finish this shit, right?

[01:29:19] [SPEAKER_02]: But you pick up the Bible

[01:29:20] [SPEAKER_02]: There is nothing in there that's

[01:29:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Propelying you forward and being like oh I gotta find out what happened. No God killed people that's what happened and

[01:29:29] [SPEAKER_02]: He hates people and and then he needs them to worship him and bow to him and then he'll love you and that's basically

[01:29:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes there's rules lots of rules for many rules lots of rules yeah, and there's there's people that had other people

[01:29:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then they had other people

[01:29:44] [SPEAKER_02]: They began there. They were a lot of other people yeah

[01:29:47] [SPEAKER_08]: So yeah, I I don't know why we got off on that topic

[01:29:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Right, it is like bothered me like how dare

[01:29:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Right like we're not doing nothing here. I bet that I know I know

[01:30:00] [SPEAKER_08]: That they didn't have as much fun as we do okay. I will give you that that's a fact

[01:30:05] [SPEAKER_08]: That is a fact yeah

[01:30:07] [SPEAKER_08]: All right to carry on the people who live in Samaria fear for the calf idol of Bethavon

[01:30:14] [SPEAKER_08]: It's people will mourn over it and so will it's idolatrous priests?

[01:30:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Those who had rejoiced over it's splendor because it has taken from them into exile

[01:30:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, all right. It will be carried to a Syria as tribute for the great king

[01:30:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Even will be disgraced Israel will be ashamed of its foreign alliances

[01:30:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Samaria's king will be destroyed

[01:30:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Swept away like a twig on the surface of the waters

[01:30:44] [SPEAKER_08]: This is all like

[01:30:46] [SPEAKER_02]: They're just they're like reveling in the fact that they're they're northern

[01:30:52] [SPEAKER_02]: They're northern people neighbors are getting fucked over and that their golden calf is being taken as

[01:31:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Tribute to their king the king the conquer them in a Syria. I think so that's kind of shitty. Yeah, you know

[01:31:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Very nice right and really we we we've talked about this before the golden calf that whole thing

[01:31:11] [SPEAKER_02]: That was part of what northern Israel was worshiping was actually Yahweh

[01:31:16] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just a different method of worship right. Yeah, so I

[01:31:21] [SPEAKER_02]: While they were different tribes and they were different ways of worshiping the same god

[01:31:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And I understand the argument right like there's okay. There's arguments within the US between different sex Catholicism

[01:31:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just not a sentence right there's there's arguments all over them all over the place sorry

[01:31:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But I

[01:31:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't I don't get reveling in their downfall right? Right? You you kind of have empathy for these are these are people that you use to consider

[01:31:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Part of your own tribe, right? You guys believe in the same fucking god even if you don't worship in the same way

[01:31:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that they really like the way this is written

[01:31:59] [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like they tried to distance themselves from saying it's the same god

[01:32:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, they said they mentioned the golden calf all the time

[01:32:06] [SPEAKER_02]: They don't mention that they they worship a similar god right?

[01:32:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right so they they definitely try to distinguish and separate themselves out from this god. Yeah, so I

[01:32:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it was a large division and that's why you know

[01:32:20] [SPEAKER_02]: There no longer on speaking terms or nice to each other. That's true. That's true

[01:32:25] [SPEAKER_08]: I guess that applies more today when we're talking about Catholics and

[01:32:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Protestants and Jews and Muslims

[01:32:31] [SPEAKER_08]: You guys all literally worship the same god yeah literally

[01:32:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, they all strong yes. They're all Abrahamic religions and yet some of you are more golden calf and others of you are more like

[01:32:45] [SPEAKER_02]: mystical magical Easter eggs right but if you ask if you if you walk out on the street and ask the average Christian

[01:32:51] [SPEAKER_02]: about

[01:32:53] [SPEAKER_02]: You know Islam right

[01:32:55] [SPEAKER_02]: They're not gonna they don't

[01:32:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably know most of them

[01:32:59] [SPEAKER_02]: That that is the same god that they worship right it's it springs from the same

[01:33:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Religion springs from the same origins, right? They just believe in different

[01:33:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Prophet stories and different stories along the way that end up with you know a split narrative

[01:33:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And but they don't know they don't know this right they don't understand this and

[01:33:20] [SPEAKER_02]: They hate those people so much right that they can't you you probably couldn't even convince them of that

[01:33:27] [SPEAKER_02]: You know or if you did it would be they would well and there's

[01:33:32] [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but yeah, but it doesn't count

[01:33:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But no it's all they're all Abrahamic religions. They all sprung from the same place and you know we're fighting over

[01:33:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Details right you know details is what we're fighting

[01:33:45] [SPEAKER_08]: No, what we're really fighting over lesbianist is land and resources

[01:33:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and political structures and and you know the whole not that's all still part of it today

[01:33:57] [SPEAKER_02]: As it was back then and we talk about that very often reading through the Bible that these are more

[01:34:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Political moonup maneuvers than they are yes actual god worshiping. It's just instead of saying I want this land gimme

[01:34:09] [SPEAKER_08]: They say God wants me to have this land gimme right convenient way of not you know

[01:34:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Putting the the shitting this that you're doing yeah, it's putting a third party an unenvolved third party

[01:34:21] [SPEAKER_08]: It's kind of like the person at the cash register this as I don't know man. I just work here

[01:34:26] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not the manager. I know set the prices. Don't be mad at me. Yeah, like is that guy? Yeah

[01:34:32] [SPEAKER_08]: All right the high places of wickedness will be destroyed it is the soon of Israel

[01:34:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Thorns and this is will grow up and cover their ulters again

[01:34:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Really likes thorns and this holes. I do like thorns and this holes last time it was briars

[01:34:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Thorns and briars. Oh, okay. This time it's thorns and this holes. I got a story about

[01:34:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Thorns yeah, so I I've talked about being in scouts before you have many times. Yeah, but when I was in scouts

[01:34:57] [SPEAKER_02]: We there was this special thing that you could get voted into and it was called the order of the arrow

[01:35:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I don't think I'm really even technically supposed to talk about this

[01:35:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm going to so yeah, yeah, I'm going to so the order of the arrow is this

[01:35:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Your your tribe your your your tribe no not tribe that what do we call them? It was the troop

[01:35:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is the tribe yeah every year at summer camp we would hold a vote and you know

[01:35:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Depending on the size of your troop one or two people would get into the order of the arrow and it was more of like a leadership

[01:35:32] [SPEAKER_02]: You know

[01:35:33] [SPEAKER_02]: type

[01:35:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Program that they had four scouts okay, and

[01:35:38] [SPEAKER_02]: When you got voted into this you there was this whole ceremony where you didn't ducked and then you have to come back for a special camp

[01:35:44] [SPEAKER_02]: For this order of the arrow okay, and as part of this camp

[01:35:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You have to take a vow of silence you're not allowed to speak the entire week that you're there for this camp

[01:35:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh shit yeah, yeah, and you have they feed you very minimal food like you get like

[01:35:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Very very small meals and and you don't get a tent you sleep out into the stars in the less of course

[01:36:05] [SPEAKER_08]: It starts raining and they will move you under a shelter but this sounds like so we you religious spirit

[01:36:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there is there's that aspect to I mean order of the arrow come on it kind of yeah

[01:36:14] [SPEAKER_02]: It denotes kind of what it is they're they're angling toward a Native American aspect of

[01:36:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what they were trying to do I think some some more between a

[01:36:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Jesusy guy and a native American is very interesting how

[01:36:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Scouts kind of mixed that whole Native American and God into this one like little

[01:36:34] [SPEAKER_08]: This little pot you know

[01:36:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that is interesting but so this gives me to the part of my story where okay

[01:36:43] [SPEAKER_02]: We were working on this damn that was at this this we who the all the people that were out for this camp

[01:36:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So you were one of the arrow. I was one of the people that was there. Yeah. Oh my goodness

[01:36:55] [SPEAKER_08]: You were in order of the arrow guys. I was I

[01:36:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so

[01:37:00] [SPEAKER_02]: We were we were working on a damn and we were clearing brush away from it and decided. Oh, yeah, silently right and

[01:37:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And we were walking along the edge of the dam and there was kind of like a large drop off on the side

[01:37:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But there was a bunch of thorns like these giant thorns like they were like I about an inch to an inch and a half long

[01:37:18] [SPEAKER_02]: In this big drier bush that was like right there on the side of the the dam

[01:37:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, one of the people that was with us

[01:37:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Lost his footing and fell into that thorn that oh my gosh, yeah, and so

[01:37:35] [SPEAKER_02]: There was the the the briefest moment where the other guys that were with me we kind of looked at each other like

[01:37:42] [SPEAKER_05]: What do we do? We're not seeing anything

[01:37:46] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like and we just kind of shrugged them like and then we turn like no

[01:37:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Spirituality be damned our friend just got stabbed

[01:37:56] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know that pause right like we paused because of

[01:37:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Tradition because of uh because of the seriousness of what you were about to do right like right obviously have become

[01:38:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Very important but no, it's a great example of how a

[01:38:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Tradition or

[01:38:12] [SPEAKER_02]: ritual can cause you to do

[01:38:14] [SPEAKER_02]: The wrong thing or cause you to hesitate to do the wrong thing or hesitate to right thing

[01:38:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, that's what I meant to say. I'm sorry

[01:38:22] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it was when you said thorns it reminded me of that story and it's a funny story because

[01:38:28] [SPEAKER_02]: That everything was okay, right everybody ended up okay everything was grip. Okay. That's good to know

[01:38:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean the kid was hurt but like not mortally wounded or anything right good so

[01:38:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Didn't lose an eye no no no no, yeah, but

[01:38:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It makes you like

[01:38:43] [SPEAKER_02]: That was just for even me a lifelong lifelong non believer slash atheists right? I got caught up in ritual

[01:38:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I got caught up in tradition. Yeah, I got caught up in this thing instead of just immediately jumping to

[01:38:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Fuck this shit. Yeah, I need this kid's help so I'm gonna yell yeah

[01:38:58] [SPEAKER_02]: We turned to each other first before we started yelling for some make sure we

[01:39:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Should we should we do this yeah, you know

[01:39:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy. That's crazy

[01:39:09] [SPEAKER_02]: The immediate answer is fucking help us right you know

[01:39:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Tradition be damned ritual

[01:39:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Like it should be well, I guess I'm kicked out, but I'm okay with that because help right yeah, right? Yeah, yeah, like I get what you're saying

[01:39:23] [SPEAKER_08]: I really appreciate that you can look back on that and

[01:39:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Like understand that about yourself like look inward and be like holy shit even I was caught up in that

[01:39:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Which means that

[01:39:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Anybody can right and and I had the luxury

[01:39:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I had the luxury of not growing up with indoctrination. I wasn't not indoctrinated into religion

[01:39:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Right and many people are you know a lot of people are yeah

[01:39:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So and I'm gonna say it's a luxury because I hear the stories from people and a lot of times they're very tragic with regard to how

[01:39:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Their families will disown them or you know there there's all kinds of just sad

[01:40:01] [SPEAKER_02]: scenarios that are that revolve around this whole Christian indoctrination thing that happens in the US

[01:40:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Right or other religions. I mean we we specifically talk about Christianity because we're reading the Bible

[01:40:13] [SPEAKER_08]: All the way through the New Testament, right? Because that's what's currently impacting on our political

[01:40:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Religion and general yeah, it it applies and

[01:40:21] [SPEAKER_02]: It strikes me that no one is really immune you just don't understand in the moment

[01:40:27] [SPEAKER_02]: What you're being controlled by you have to and but that's why it's good to be a free thinker

[01:40:31] [SPEAKER_02]: That's why it's good to question yeah because even you right now

[01:40:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You don't always know what is controlling your thoughts

[01:40:38] [SPEAKER_02]: It could be the newest social media feeds it could be the TV channel you're watching it could be all kind of thing

[01:40:44] [SPEAKER_08]: It could be something as stupid as

[01:40:47] [SPEAKER_08]: When you and I went to a friend's house and

[01:40:51] [SPEAKER_08]: We were all drinking yeah, and there was a guy who was very clearly too an e-breated to drive

[01:40:58] [SPEAKER_08]: And everybody was like e dude are you okay? And he was like yeah, I'm fine

[01:41:04] [SPEAKER_08]: He was trying to leave to drive and everybody was like are you sure? And then once he like insisted

[01:41:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Everybody's just kind of let it go and I was like oh so we're just

[01:41:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Letting him go and like suddenly I was the problem and everybody was like

[01:41:18] [SPEAKER_08]: You know he said he's okay. What can we do and I'm like I don't know take his fucking keys

[01:41:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Go out take a picture of his

[01:41:27] [SPEAKER_08]: License plate. I don't know block the car door and don't let him in

[01:41:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Like there's any number of things called a cops call him again

[01:41:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I don't know but like it was like I am very likely

[01:41:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Autistic sure so it doesn't make sense to me the the social construct yeah this social pressure to fit in and the

[01:41:54] [SPEAKER_08]: The that whatever it is like I don't have that and usually that's problematic

[01:42:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Because I don't fit in no, I don't know how this is something I've had to adjust to with being ready to you because

[01:42:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I am very much guarded in my behavior with regard to the norms of society

[01:42:12] [SPEAKER_08]: You are less much less so but not because I'm like awesome or anything like it's not like

[01:42:18] [SPEAKER_02]: There's just your natural response to a shitty behavior. It's a thing happening yeah and and

[01:42:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It's taught me a lot about myself like being with you has taught me a lot about myself because I am able to

[01:42:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Judge things differently than I might have 20 years ago, you know and and I think vice versa

[01:42:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, we learn things off of each other and you know we have kind of codes to signal things for each other when we're in situations

[01:42:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Where we know that the other one lacks the ability to react to that situation properly. Yes, right and

[01:42:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And we both recognize where we have shortcomings and we are you know like it's a great back and forth

[01:42:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's I think that's part of what allows us to have great discussions about societal norms and societal things that are going on

[01:43:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Because we have two completely different takes on how to handle and react to those situations. Yes, yes

[01:43:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely and we've learned to get along

[01:43:11] [SPEAKER_02]: wonderfully you know as a couple

[01:43:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So we we have great interactions with regard to it because of that

[01:43:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Dynamic that we have between us and the and our takes on those those issues. I think it's a really great example of

[01:43:24] [SPEAKER_08]: opposites attract but they only attract if you're both willing to

[01:43:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Work on yourself and work with the opposing factor. Yeah, like it's not just opposites attract the end

[01:43:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Opposites attract and you can make it work, but you have to make it work and it is work

[01:43:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Definitely, but yeah, I'll just never forget like that was one of the earliest examples of

[01:43:51] [SPEAKER_08]: You kind of looking at me with the rest of the crowd going like you know, you need to move

[01:43:57] [SPEAKER_08]: But now I agree with you. Yeah, I've no you agreed with me at the time even but you didn't understand

[01:44:04] [SPEAKER_08]: How I could

[01:44:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Stick out from the crowd that way because in that moment it felt like a friend loser moment right like that was the the level of

[01:44:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Disdain that was happening with the urge to use standing up for that moment, right? Yeah, and I wasn't sure that you understood the level of

[01:44:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, what you were doing at the moment. Well, and also to be fair these were my friends

[01:44:31] [SPEAKER_08]: So you were already

[01:44:33] [SPEAKER_08]: Someone out of place

[01:44:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Right because you were with me at my friend's house right and

[01:44:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I was your only real connection to be to be fair here the people that were getting rid of the drive drunk

[01:44:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Correct, it was they were at the house of the friend that your friends with yeah, but even the people who's house

[01:44:53] [SPEAKER_08]: We were at she was like you know he's a grown-out man. He made his choice and I'm like, but

[01:44:59] [SPEAKER_08]: You know my thinking was I have an adult child out there on the roads that this person could run into

[01:45:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, like literally that was all like I think was but you guys are setting this bullet loose and

[01:45:13] [SPEAKER_08]: He could hit somebody that I love right and you guys are okay with that and I couldn't convey that so all I could say is you know

[01:45:20] [SPEAKER_08]: You guys are all younger than me one day. You'll have kids and you'll understand and they thought that I gave a shit about the guy

[01:45:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Right, and I was like oh no he already his life is already no one boy to me

[01:45:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and and they were like that's mean

[01:45:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Like the dude was like oh that's that's real nice of you and I was like we you already don't give a fuck that

[01:45:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Drunk right you already decided that everybody else's life on the road is going so so

[01:45:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't give a fuck if you live or die honestly at this point

[01:45:48] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know you you've decided to do something dangerous that puts people in danger that that is

[01:45:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Fuck you, you know die don't die whatever right but don't go on the road

[01:46:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and don't take other I hope you hit a brick wall and don't take anybody with you, right? You know sorry

[01:46:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Not sorry, yep so anyway that was me just being manic again

[01:46:11] [SPEAKER_02]: No, you're fine. You're fine. I

[01:46:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Signal to rainy and here. Yeah, so

[01:46:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Excited about having my hand free you are I'm sorry

[01:46:20] [SPEAKER_08]: All right, so thorns and thistles okay?

[01:46:23] [SPEAKER_08]: They're gonna grow up over those altars okay? Yeah, and poke people in the eye

[01:46:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, when they're working on dams

[01:46:30] [SPEAKER_08]: They're gonna make them break their coat of silence, right then they will say to the mountains cover us

[01:46:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Into the hills follow us really that's what they're gonna they're gonna they're talking now, huh?

[01:46:41] [SPEAKER_08]: That's what they say to the mountains and the hills the thorns okay

[01:46:46] [SPEAKER_08]: I thought it was the people

[01:46:48] [SPEAKER_08]: I thought it was the people we'll say that

[01:46:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Thorns and thistles will grow up and come in the alters and they will say to them

[01:46:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no you're right. Yeah. Yeah. We have talking thorns and thistles now

[01:46:57] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean if you're gonna have words in thistles

[01:47:00] [SPEAKER_08]: They might as well be talkative right yeah, I guess that's

[01:47:05] [SPEAKER_02]: That sounds that would be a great name for a bar thorns and thistles

[01:47:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Thorns and thistles right when in the context of they can talk to mountains and and everything else

[01:47:14] [SPEAKER_02]: You know so cool. You know there there's social thorns and thistles

[01:47:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, actually okay

[01:47:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Just saying but what about the brires? I really love the brires

[01:47:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean you could put that one like in parentheses below or something like brires

[01:47:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know

[01:47:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe that could be like a drink, you know brires

[01:47:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, maybe the bit the

[01:47:34] [SPEAKER_08]: The restroom area. Yeah, called the briar patch

[01:47:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like that yeah

[01:47:39] [SPEAKER_08]: The non-gendered bathrooms right right yeah

[01:47:43] [SPEAKER_08]: This is the briar patch. Yeah, yeah, okay. Since the days of Gabea

[01:47:48] [SPEAKER_08]: You have sinned Israel and there you ever made

[01:47:52] [SPEAKER_08]: The damper yeah, so don't give it. Okay. Yeah, well not war again overtake the evil doers and Gabea

[01:48:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably will it not possibly probably he thinks it will apparently

[01:48:08] [SPEAKER_08]: War's gonna war if he's got if this is god-tock and doesn't need no already. Oh, I what thing but okay, but I think it's hose head

[01:48:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Who would know who would know I wouldn't but god-op

[01:48:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Who's A.S. hypothetically has information from god right so

[01:48:23] [SPEAKER_08]: God and you're right he is speaking for God because it says when I please I will punish them yeah

[01:48:29] [SPEAKER_02]: See God has asking a question as to whether this is gonna happen. He apparently doesn't know what he knows

[01:48:35] [SPEAKER_08]: What do you think what do you think

[01:48:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so when I please I will punish them nations will be gathered against them to put them in bonds for their double sin

[01:48:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, he from is a trained heifer that loves to stretch

[01:48:52] [SPEAKER_08]: I just I'm fucking child

[01:48:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe because it's a golden calf, you know

[01:48:58] [SPEAKER_08]: But but sometimes when I hate somebody I call them a heifer. Oh my gosh and whether not not as a like remark on their way

[01:49:06] [SPEAKER_08]: I've called skinny people after yeah, yeah, just you know people that I don't like yeah like such a heifer

[01:49:13] [SPEAKER_08]: But your mom sometimes calls people hags

[01:49:16] [SPEAKER_03]: She does

[01:49:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Which I have never heard used before and I fucking love it. Oh, she's such a hag

[01:49:25] [SPEAKER_08]: And hagg is better than have for us already honest. Yeah, and both are better than childless cat woman

[01:49:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, yeah, or you know familiar with that one

[01:49:34] [SPEAKER_02]: I know that that's a thing in the social media, but we don't need to

[01:49:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Elon Musk okay, Elon Musk and no actually was JD Vance sorry. Okay, JD Vance said that

[01:49:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Childless cat women are the ones who are a

[01:49:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Drain on society and they're trying to make laws and even though they have no say because they're just childless cat ladies

[01:49:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Then we're supposed to be shocked that the Republicans said something so stir no, we're not I was just explaining the reference to you

[01:50:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Right now I got it and so when Taylor Swift endorsed

[01:50:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Kamala Harris yeah, she signed her endorsement

[01:50:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Childless cat lady. Yep, yeah, which I loved. Yeah, no, that's great. Yep

[01:50:16] [SPEAKER_08]: E-Fram is a trained heifer that loves to thrash

[01:50:21] [SPEAKER_08]: So I will put a yolk on her fair neck as you do

[01:50:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, I will drive E-Fram

[01:50:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Judah Musk plow and Jacob must break up the ground

[01:50:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Jacob's face as well

[01:50:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't I don't really know what does think of that statement there it sounds like

[01:50:41] [SPEAKER_08]: They're saying that I don't know okay. I God will drive E-Fram

[01:50:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so she's the fucking heifer sure right? Yeah, so I'm driving that heifer and I'm saying go heifer

[01:50:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Judah is

[01:50:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Plowing so just as the one coming behind

[01:50:58] [SPEAKER_08]: They're still they're still okay with God sort of and Jacob is breaking up the ground but Jacob is Israel is real breaking up the ground

[01:51:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I'm I'm still well that that's that's weird

[01:51:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That's definitely a Q and A yeah, okay. I that that's

[01:51:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Odd yeah, I don't really get that I like I can see the picture

[01:51:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't know what the picture was the represent Jacob would be Israel which includes the northern tribes actually if we're going

[01:51:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Historically here right so it's that's a weird

[01:51:29] [SPEAKER_02]: juxtaposition of uh it's weird

[01:51:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Having E from out there on its own and not part of Judah or Israel

[01:51:38] [SPEAKER_02]: What's not weird they're part of the northern tribes

[01:51:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Which is Judah right? I know which is Israel

[01:51:45] [SPEAKER_02]: It was Israel but that's the same and now it's just like kingdom

[01:51:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, yes, it would have been part of Israel

[01:51:50] [SPEAKER_08]: That's what I'm seeing it's weird that E from is being called out on its own

[01:51:56] [SPEAKER_08]: When we've got Israel and Judah right when E from was

[01:52:01] [SPEAKER_02]: They're justizing E from what's happening. Well, yeah, I get that but yeah, I don't understand the whole dynamic there

[01:52:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I need a better picture. Right. Okay, so Q and A

[01:52:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Saturday we'll get on that. Yes. Okay, so righteousness for yourselves reap the fruit of unfailing love and break up your unpliled ground

[01:52:19] [SPEAKER_08]: For it is time to seek the Lord until he comes and showers his breaches this on you

[01:52:26] [SPEAKER_08]: He's gonna come and he's gonna shower

[01:52:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Should have seen wife space like

[01:52:32] [SPEAKER_08]: When he comes and showers his righteousness on you all all over

[01:52:36] [SPEAKER_08]: He shower it all over you

[01:52:39] [SPEAKER_08]: But you have planted wickedness you have redeemed evil you have eaten the fruit of deception

[01:52:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they were bad

[01:52:49] [SPEAKER_08]: You bad I hate you because you have dependent on your own strength and on your many warriors the roar of battle will rise against your people

[01:52:58] [SPEAKER_08]: So that all your fortresses will be devastated. Oh, man a shaman devastated Beth our battle on the day of battle

[01:53:08] [SPEAKER_08]: When mothers would dash to the ground with their children my god remember that day?

[01:53:13] [SPEAKER_08]: No, it's sucked yeah, so will it happen to you Beth all your boots because your wickedness is fucking great

[01:53:21] [SPEAKER_02]: They just I I can't get over how much they just like revel in this like murdering murder

[01:53:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I love to marry women and the baby

[01:53:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Yep, when that day dawns the king of Israel will be completely destroyed the end

[01:53:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, everything the end

[01:53:42] [SPEAKER_02]: There's just not a lot of like positive

[01:53:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Field good anything in this goddamn Bible it's supposed to be a book of love, but it's really just not what you know

[01:53:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And and people will be like well that's the new test for not yeah, okay, okay, so I like but like you tell us you know

[01:53:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, we're in the Bible right in the Bible

[01:54:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're reading the Bible and it's taken us a long fucking time to get to the goddamn love

[01:54:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Well here's the thing like so when you're seeing the good book you're referring to the new testament

[01:54:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Does that mean we're reading the bad book?

[01:54:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Because that's what it feels like

[01:54:15] [SPEAKER_02]: It definitely does I think they should we should

[01:54:20] [SPEAKER_02]: They should definitely be renamed the bad book. Yes, yes

[01:54:23] [SPEAKER_08]: The Old Testament is the bad of you all fucking bad but here's the thing even in the good book

[01:54:28] [SPEAKER_08]: I heard that this one do get murdered

[01:54:31] [SPEAKER_02]: He does right and from what I hear yeah, I mean spoil

[01:54:34] [SPEAKER_02]: We're not there. Yeah, you know board on the street is yeah, yeah

[01:54:39] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, well that was Josea chapter 10. Yes, it was host head chapter 10 and we will be back later today

[01:54:47] [SPEAKER_02]: with our Q and a non-unsatter day right and then I will get the weekly wrap up out today too

[01:54:55] [SPEAKER_02]: So there's gonna be a fuck ton of episodes out today. Yes, and then we are going to reset and be back on

[01:55:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Monday with Josea chapter 11

[01:55:06] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, we'll see that

[01:55:13] [SPEAKER_08]: husband wife

[01:55:15] [SPEAKER_08]: What we're doing

[01:55:17] [SPEAKER_02]: We are doing our Q and a non-unsatter day right some day of the week. Yes, so today is this will be really seen on Wednesday morning

[01:55:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so we kind of got screwed up again and we do apologize. I know we've been doing that a lot

[01:55:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know what say other than wife and I have been discussing some options as to what we are going to do going forward

[01:55:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Rather than keep being behind let's just go ahead and plan for it. Right, and we'll be we'll be talking about some of those in the coming days

[01:55:50] [SPEAKER_02]: But in the meantime, we're gonna kind of slow roll this week to end it and there'll be a special episode

[01:55:56] [SPEAKER_02]: There'll be our weekly wrap-ups still coming out for this portion

[01:56:01] [SPEAKER_02]: But we'll get back to something resembling normal next week. It'll just be a slightly slower piece

[01:56:08] [SPEAKER_02]: slightly. Yeah, that's like one less episode

[01:56:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Just just to give us some buffer to work with some things and we'll explain it all on an upcoming special episode that we have coming out

[01:56:18] [SPEAKER_08]: It's just with your work schedule and my

[01:56:22] [SPEAKER_08]: injury and medication

[01:56:25] [SPEAKER_08]: We're not really

[01:56:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Jiving as far as what we can get not with our schedule. Yeah, our schedule is is definitely taking thoroughness for a loop right now

[01:56:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, we we really enjoyed doing this. We don't want to lose our our steam with regard to not at all doing our podcasts

[01:56:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So we're trying to work around ourselves

[01:56:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and in that vein

[01:56:47] [SPEAKER_02]: We are ready today to do the Q&A and you got some good questions and answers and things to go over

[01:56:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, we're gonna be covering chapters

[01:56:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Joseia hose head chapters six through ten. All right. Let's do this. Okay, don't be

[01:57:05] [SPEAKER_08]: All right, so we are covering hose head chapters six through eleven ten. That's why I said sorry

[01:57:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Six through ten like literally just said that so I don't know where the eleven came from right right

[01:57:22] [SPEAKER_08]: and

[01:57:22] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm gonna go through each chapter and say a little something something about it sounds good. Okay, so let's start with chapter six

[01:57:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, which was basically about the instant serity of Israel's repentance if you'll recall

[01:57:36] [SPEAKER_08]: It was basically like they are paying lip service to God that Israel lights are yeah

[01:57:42] [SPEAKER_08]: And they may come to him to God, but it's like have asked which seemed like pretty much every chapter we read

[01:57:50] [SPEAKER_08]: But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

[01:57:53] [SPEAKER_08]: This chapter contains prophecies including an exhortation to repentance and

[01:57:58] [SPEAKER_08]: A complaint against Israel and Judah for persisting in their wickedness still yeah

[01:58:06] [SPEAKER_08]: So the first part of that chapter continues the passage that started in the previous chapter that

[01:58:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that started in the previous chapter right like mid-sentency fans. Yeah, this this book is been bad

[01:58:18] [SPEAKER_08]: super weird yeah and that whole thing that

[01:58:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Verse that was like basically cut in half concerns the time of the Syrian

[01:58:28] [SPEAKER_08]: E for might war so the Syrians and the E and E from okay, and that was about 735 to 733 BCE is it the Syrians are us Syrians

[01:58:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Syrians okay

[01:58:42] [SPEAKER_08]: So it's talking about the war and it's after math so

[01:58:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Basically we're starting at 735 and going through about 731 okay

[01:58:53] [SPEAKER_08]: so

[01:58:55] [SPEAKER_08]: I went ahead and and

[01:58:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Put the last verse of chapter five since again, we're starting mid-sentence right and we're supposed to be covering

[01:59:06] [SPEAKER_08]: You know chapter six right. So

[01:59:10] [SPEAKER_08]: The final verse and we'll actually start it with

[01:59:14] [SPEAKER_08]: One verse back even because it captured the idea so I know I

[01:59:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Chapter five versus eight and nine

[01:59:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Sound the trumpet in Gaby the horn in Rama raised the battle cry in Beth

[01:59:28] [SPEAKER_08]: of on lead-on Benjamin

[01:59:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Epron will be weighed weighed waste on the day of reckoning

[01:59:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, yeah, so we're is in chapter five. Joseah states divine judgment on both Judah and Israel and their

[01:59:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Stryf that they're on an off-e-game wars right such that God will send sickness into death

[01:59:50] [SPEAKER_08]: On to death sickness unto death got it and that's a phrase that we use today. I am sick unto death of this

[01:59:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like I don't know any we sure meant to sick of that six to death

[02:00:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Six to death yes, but I have heard people say I am sick unto death of this right

[02:00:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But common is the sick to death right like that would be that that's what it's coming into

[02:00:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that's a common common but yeah

[02:00:15] [SPEAKER_08]: So anyway in verses one through three of chapter six God proclaims the hope of revival

[02:00:23] [SPEAKER_08]: If the people are willing to accept his exhortation to repentance which we know they do not

[02:00:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Right ever

[02:00:29] [SPEAKER_08]: So verse one says come let us return to the Lord. He is torn us to pieces by he will heal us

[02:00:37] [SPEAKER_08]: He is injured us but he will bind up our wounds and then verse two says after two days

[02:00:43] [SPEAKER_08]: He will revive us and on the third day. He will restore us that we may live in his presence

[02:00:49] [SPEAKER_08]: We talked at the time how this sounded very jesusy it does and that's because it

[02:00:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Was borrowed from or

[02:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Was what you mean the new testament borrowed from yes, yes, I'm gonna say this is this was written to all to be borrowed from

[02:01:03] [SPEAKER_02]: The new testament so no

[02:01:06] [SPEAKER_08]: the new testament in trying to backfill prophecies. Yeah, they were like

[02:01:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Ooh, that's a good end. Let's have some Jesus in that right yeah, so and that was acknowledged in some notes

[02:01:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, yeah, and then verse three let us acknowledge the Lord let us press on to acknowledge him as surely as the sun rises

[02:01:26] [SPEAKER_02]: He will appear and that that too even though it's the sun as in the

[02:01:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Sun S o and verses S u right yeah the sun in the sky versus the male child interesting in our

[02:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Terminology today. Yes, and I don't know that was relevant in the original language or anything like that

[02:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's interesting because of like it's it's similar to the same

[02:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Verbi jil cion church signs now. Yeah, you know

[02:01:51] [SPEAKER_08]: The sun shines and the Lord reigns is the one that I

[02:01:57] [SPEAKER_08]: It comes to mind there's a there's a church on some road that I used to pass just every single time

[02:02:05] [SPEAKER_08]: I would drive over to my best friends house yeah and every day it said that upfront they never changed the sign right

[02:02:14] [SPEAKER_08]: So

[02:02:16] [SPEAKER_08]: That reminds me in that

[02:02:19] [SPEAKER_08]: movie

[02:02:20] [SPEAKER_08]: I want to say what's called zeitgeist or something oh, yeah

[02:02:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Which

[02:02:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Questionable very questionable conspiracy theory

[02:02:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Kind of stuff but one of our at the time it was fun. Yeah, yeah like now it's like oh

[02:02:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Right because all of that stuff kind of lead straight into Q and non territory

[02:02:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was interesting like there was the same ideas like it had ideas about

[02:02:47] [SPEAKER_02]: There were there was conspiracy theories about like money and

[02:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: God and then like 9-11 yeah, it was just like all kind of it was all over the place and I would say that the first two thirds of the movie

[02:03:00] [SPEAKER_08]: We're actually really interesting

[02:03:03] [SPEAKER_08]: fascinating

[02:03:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Just the way Christian that Christianity borrowed from prior religions and practice and stuff

[02:03:11] [SPEAKER_02]: They're really lost us when they got to 9-11

[02:03:13] [SPEAKER_08]: But yeah, yeah the last third of it was like okay on out right

[02:03:18] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but the part this specifically reminded me of that movie is

[02:03:24] [SPEAKER_08]: The

[02:03:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Comparison of the word son S.U.N. versus S.O.N.

[02:03:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Mail child versus star in the sky

[02:03:33] [SPEAKER_08]: That was discussed heavily in that moment

[02:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember if they discussed the original language though

[02:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know because that again it was a movie that was very conspiracy theory written so yeah

[02:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't recall if that was actually a thing or not I

[02:03:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Want to say that probably they did not get into the original language which would render

[02:03:55] [SPEAKER_08]: those not homophobic

[02:03:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so

[02:03:59] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna go with no right and like I said in today's context. It's very it's it's an interesting

[02:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting to me in that context right now. I totally agree

[02:04:08] [SPEAKER_08]: All right, and then it continues he will come to us like the winter rains like the spring rains

[02:04:14] [SPEAKER_08]: That water the earth

[02:04:17] [SPEAKER_08]: now that is also

[02:04:20] [SPEAKER_08]: In a different translation it doesn't say the winter rains or the spring rains

[02:04:26] [SPEAKER_08]: It says he will come to us like the rain like the ladder and former rain

[02:04:30] [SPEAKER_08]: So two things first of all those three verses that I just read yeah

[02:04:36] [SPEAKER_08]: It has been suggested that it's a penitential prayer that may have been borrowed from an atonement ritual

[02:04:44] [SPEAKER_08]: So do you need me to reread those come let us return to the Lord he is torn us to pieces

[02:04:49] [SPEAKER_08]: But he will heal us he has injured us but he will bind up our wounds after two days

[02:04:54] [SPEAKER_08]: He will revive us and on the third day he will restore us that we may live in his presence

[02:04:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Let us acknowledge the Lord let us press on technology

[02:05:02] [SPEAKER_08]: As surely as the sun rises he will appear

[02:05:04] [SPEAKER_08]: He will come to us like the winter rains like the spring rains that water the earth

[02:05:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Sure, yeah, so that's a atonement ritual apparently

[02:05:14] [SPEAKER_08]: now with the

[02:05:16] [SPEAKER_08]: thing that I said was two different interpretations depending on what translation you're reading

[02:05:22] [SPEAKER_08]: The form the ladder and the former rain

[02:05:25] [SPEAKER_08]: In Israel the only way crops were watered was by rain of course

[02:05:29] [SPEAKER_08]: And the first or the former was in the autumn to prepare the earth for seed and the second rain or ladder rain

[02:05:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Which you know like I said the verses like the ladder and former rain

[02:05:44] [SPEAKER_08]: In spring is when the ladder one is to prepare the land for harvest

[02:05:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Start it. Okay, yeah, so this section contains some oracles about

[02:05:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Israel's political and religious corruption

[02:05:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Because Israel failed to live according to y'all

[02:06:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Is demand for steadfast love and knowledge of him?

[02:06:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to say this again and I know I hit on this a lot but

[02:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: The fact that it's even in the apologists takes that you're reading and things like that

[02:06:15] [SPEAKER_02]: the fact that they mentioned politics is part of that right yeah, and

[02:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just very

[02:06:22] [SPEAKER_02]: obvious that these these things that we talk about in the Bible are

[02:06:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely things that are political they're not

[02:06:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Because because if we're talking about all the people of Israel

[02:06:34] [SPEAKER_02]: There's no way to talk about them all. We're talking about the political and power structures that are prevalent in that society

[02:06:39] [SPEAKER_02]: At that time

[02:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Because there's nothing else that would really matter

[02:06:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, you're not talking about Joe Schmo next door

[02:06:46] [SPEAKER_02]: You're talking about the people in charge of your lives and they're the ones that are responsible for making these ideas and these these laws and rules and

[02:06:55] [SPEAKER_02]: In which people

[02:06:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't like or don't follow correctly or don't whatever right? Yeah, so we're really complaining about the power

[02:07:03] [SPEAKER_02]: We're complaining about who's in charge

[02:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Right and

[02:07:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That's partly what bothers me with regard to how the Bible is is

[02:07:13] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, word it because

[02:07:16] [SPEAKER_02]: When we're talking about a god who supposedly knows

[02:07:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Everything everybody in how it's all gonna work out right? I have a problem with him punishing the people downline

[02:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: When we're really talking about the people that are at the top right right it's like it's like in today

[02:07:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Society if we were to take the actions of the 1% and then punish everybody else for their actions right right this bullshit

[02:07:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It is bullshit and and I'm sure if God were real

[02:07:43] [SPEAKER_02]: We would all be like what the fuck man? Yeah, you know like this is some crap. Well not only that it's it's lazy

[02:07:51] [SPEAKER_08]: It's it's tend to mount to the teacher comes in one or two kids are making noise

[02:07:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Rather than a finding out who it is or b. I know who it is but I don't want to call them out

[02:08:01] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm gonna take the lazy way and make the whole class right sentences

[02:08:05] [SPEAKER_08]: So everybody across the board is punished right and I fucking hate that shit yeah, like I used to sit out in the hall

[02:08:13] [SPEAKER_08]: So much because I would argue like but I wasn't talking and I stood up front and you see me

[02:08:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's just it right. I'm like you're a god if you can't punish people individually

[02:08:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Right you're no god that's worth a damn exactly you're you're fucking worthless

[02:08:31] [SPEAKER_02]: And and therefore pointless and you know you when I know

[02:08:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Slash believe whatever that God is not real right and for all intents and purposes

[02:08:42] [SPEAKER_02]: God isn't real there is no proof there is no even like hint at proof

[02:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: God it's just the Bible. Yeah, it's just people's belief in this entity and

[02:08:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Happy feelings. Let's not forget that and the wind sedances that are framed as miracles

[02:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And toast don't get to toast. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it just it doesn't sit well with me the whole thing

[02:09:06] [SPEAKER_08]: No, it doesn't mean either so going on to verse four the second half of that verse says your love is like the morning mist like the early

[02:09:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Do that disappears

[02:09:17] [SPEAKER_08]: You remember me going ahead do do

[02:09:21] [SPEAKER_08]: God sees that the people's promise to return to him is nothing but words

[02:09:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Their hearts have not changed they have no covenant loyalty towards God, okay? Right and they have no love for him

[02:09:31] [SPEAKER_08]: And they have no desire to know him and as long as they are without these qualities

[02:09:34] [SPEAKER_08]: All their sacrifices and offerings are useless so they're just going through the motions given lip service

[02:09:41] [SPEAKER_08]: And God is so all knowing as we just discussed how all knowing he is there's me rolling my eyes

[02:09:48] [SPEAKER_08]: That's a slash sarcasm

[02:09:52] [SPEAKER_08]: He knows that they're being fake yeah, I don't know how he knows that but not the other stuff

[02:09:59] [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't no there is that that's this is this is more you know

[02:10:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Again, we're talking about people in society and we're talking about somebody who is judging their society

[02:10:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's saying

[02:10:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like my neighbors in the way they're acting so this is what I think of them

[02:10:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is what God's gonna do to them right all this is yep

[02:10:18] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean basically it's the same thing as

[02:10:22] [SPEAKER_08]: In colonial England when

[02:10:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Colonial England colonial north

[02:10:27] [SPEAKER_08]: What am I trying to say new England colonial new England yeah, um those Salem witch trial stuff

[02:10:33] [SPEAKER_08]: It's the same

[02:10:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Concept like I don't like my neighbor. I feel like they're being freaky do so I'm gonna say they're a witch

[02:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know it's it's fear it's it's you know

[02:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just it's not it you're just being a fearful busy body is what you're doing yeah, just mind your business right like you know

[02:10:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Tim wool says yeah, mind your business. Yeah, yeah

[02:10:57] [SPEAKER_08]: So moving on to verse seven is as at Adam they have broken the covenant

[02:11:02] [SPEAKER_08]: They were unfaithful to me there but they like Adam have transgressed the covenant

[02:11:08] [SPEAKER_08]: So this is making a comparison to early days yeah back in Genesis right because Adam in paradise

[02:11:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah transgressed the commandment and God cast him out of the garden sure Israel in possession of the promised land

[02:11:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Transgressed God's covenant and God has cast them out

[02:11:27] [SPEAKER_02]: It's done in captivity. I do find an interesting that he who's a

[02:11:32] [SPEAKER_02]: In these books has mentioned Adam and referred to Israel as he yeah

[02:11:37] [SPEAKER_02]: There there is a distinction here in this book in my mind with regard to how it is mentioned versus every other book

[02:11:44] [SPEAKER_02]: We've read yeah where everything is female and Eve is the problem. Yeah, you know like that that is that is a distinction to me

[02:11:51] [SPEAKER_08]: With regard to who it is true and we pointed out the

[02:11:54] [SPEAKER_08]: The calling Israel he and him yeah, we did call that out but I hadn't put that together with referring to Adam as the problem and not

[02:12:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, no that's really interesting

[02:12:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Like it's a weird place to find him

[02:12:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Bring it in some equality stuff

[02:12:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Cuz it doesn't really but it might not even be equality right like this might be Jose

[02:12:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Being like well women don't have any responsibility at all

[02:12:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Right, so they couldn't have been responsible. There's so stupid you can't blame those stupid cows

[02:12:26] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean they're just couches there just tables. I mean that's kind of how I would see him

[02:12:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I can't be there to know Jose as mine. You know, but it was less a less bring

[02:12:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's say it was Adam that did it like everybody's always blaming Eve. Let's say Adam did it

[02:12:43] [SPEAKER_08]: It was less that than it was

[02:12:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Further insult to women and it's also interesting that this book is written

[02:12:50] [SPEAKER_02]: A longer time ago than a lot of the books that were reading that is true right so the idea could have evolved over time

[02:12:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And since this is one of the older books. Yeah, maybe the original idea was that Adam was the sinful one and not you

[02:13:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Eventually the men were like fuck you make the woman the one you know the woman are

[02:13:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, she's a dumb bitch incapable of doing anything because she's so disgusting and nasty

[02:13:13] [SPEAKER_08]: But also at the same time that she's a stupid moron. She's also a maniacal conniving

[02:13:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Smartest everything and is able to work against you right you know kind of like Trump thinks of the Democrats

[02:13:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right, you know, we're we're the worst in dumbest and in incapitalist

[02:13:33] [SPEAKER_02]: People on the planet yet. We do all the evil things and we are plotting against

[02:13:37] [SPEAKER_08]: We're playing 3D chess or what that's me my ex used to accuse me of that you know at the same time that I was like a

[02:13:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Bitch I was also always plotting to ruin his life and just doing horrible things right

[02:13:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so that's pretty good. Yeah, I was like I'm both I'm

[02:13:59] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm every woman

[02:14:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Isn't that a song? Yes, by Whitney Houston okay

[02:14:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Everyone man. Yes, that's the one

[02:14:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, so moving on to verse six

[02:14:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Wait, no chapter six verse a lot. Sorry. Yeah, sorry. Yeah, sorry. I'm sorry. Uh-huh. Also for you, Judah a harvest is appointed

[02:14:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Whenever I would restore the fortunes of my people and then moving into chapter seven verse one

[02:14:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Whenever I would heal Israel the sins of Ephraim are exposed and the crimes of Samaria revealed

[02:14:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, so Judah has also transgressed so it wasn't just Israel, okay?

[02:14:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Right and

[02:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Their harvest is to distinguish between the northern tribes and we're we're distinguish between the northern tribes and Judah at this point

[02:14:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes

[02:14:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Because this is the time of kings some way yes, and so that's when we were talking about the northern kingdoms and

[02:14:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Separate yes, right. Yes, okay, so

[02:15:01] [SPEAKER_08]: He's saying you know I've been dishing Israel so much

[02:15:05] [SPEAKER_08]: But let us not forget that Judah the southern tribes, right they are also fuck faces so basically

[02:15:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Israel's fuck Judah take heed. Yeah, and they don't with the same yeah

[02:15:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Judah is being held to higher standards because they were forewarned

[02:15:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Right, which fair enough I guess what it will but yeah

[02:15:26] [SPEAKER_08]: They will be reaped down and sent into captivity

[02:15:29] [SPEAKER_08]: They will reap what they sow those who sow the flesh will reap corruption

[02:15:35] [SPEAKER_08]: So yeah, that's what that was about yeah, okay moving into chapter seven now, okay?

[02:15:40] [SPEAKER_08]: The oven the bread and the does do you remember all that Israel's a Nickwoody and the rebellion

[02:15:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Only a little bit and maybe I may be forget this a little bit

[02:15:50] [SPEAKER_02]: We were so we were so all over the place we were couple of weeks that we were have a clue

[02:15:55] [SPEAKER_08]: So this chapter is about Israel being reproved for multiple sins resulting in God's wrath against them for their

[02:16:02] [SPEAKER_08]: hypocrisy which I mean that could very easily have just been the last chapter. Right. Yeah, and all these chapters ever since we stopped talking talking about Gomer right

[02:16:11] [SPEAKER_08]: being a horror yeah

[02:16:13] [SPEAKER_08]: So verse 11

[02:16:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Wait, yeah

[02:16:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Verse 11 says also for you Judah a harvest is a pointy whenever I would restore the fortunes of my people and then continues into

[02:16:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Chapter seven verse one whenever I would heal Israel the sins of ebra morx boes and the crimes of Samaria revealed

[02:16:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, God is complaining in that second part of the sentence

[02:16:37] [SPEAKER_08]: That though he had employed every means for reforming Israel they still persisted in there in Nickwitty without

[02:16:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Faring the consequences he's like I tried to tell him but he didn't know he told you know again

[02:16:51] [SPEAKER_02]: The times over and over and over but you're talking to a few select prophets and the rest of the people that are also important in these people's lives

[02:17:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Or prophets are saying and then their they themselves are prophets according to them

[02:17:04] [SPEAKER_02]: They are saying that they are correct in these things are wrong. Yeah, so

[02:17:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Who who is who are people supposed to believe? You know it got if you're not talking to everybody

[02:17:13] [SPEAKER_08]: You can't really blame people for not getting your fucking message kind of like today there's so many different denominations of Christianity

[02:17:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Right could know could you imagine for example? Let's say that we had okay

[02:17:25] [SPEAKER_02]: We all are aware of the media landscape that's in the world, right so let's say we had

[02:17:30] [SPEAKER_02]: 25 people responsible to disseminate all the information that's coming through on the news to the rest of us

[02:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and we just had to take their word for what was happening those 25 people that's bullshit

[02:17:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly that is fucking bullshit. Yeah, and that's exactly what's happening to the Israelites and they're being punished for it

[02:17:48] [SPEAKER_02]: They're being told that they are bad and horrible and that they're gonna die

[02:17:54] [SPEAKER_02]: You know to be fair they're not being told actually it's just happening to them. Yeah, you know according to the Bible

[02:18:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Right and and that's what is bullshit because if you look at that in the context of what we have to deal with today

[02:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: It makes no fucking sense

[02:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: No, why would anybody why would any entity that is supposedly divine and and all powerful?

[02:18:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Have this system in place where you cannot let people get the correct information directly from the source

[02:18:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Right that's dumb. Oh, I totally agree there is no other avenue

[02:18:26] [SPEAKER_02]: The avenue is through the prophet yeah, they can't even fucking read most of the time

[02:18:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Right and and at that time there wasn't even a Bible so

[02:18:34] [SPEAKER_02]: What were they supposed to do? They were supposed to have known no

[02:18:39] [SPEAKER_08]: No, no, I don't think so either it's crap

[02:18:42] [SPEAKER_08]: So verse three says they delight the king with their wickedness the princes with their lies

[02:18:47] [SPEAKER_08]: We were like what this phrase probably refers to one of these successful assassination plots against the throne of Israel

[02:18:55] [SPEAKER_08]: During the ministry of Hosea since there were four kings violent violently overthrowing during his ministry

[02:19:02] [SPEAKER_08]: It's hard to know exactly which one he means got it so

[02:19:07] [SPEAKER_08]: The Israelites always please Jerobo and by coming readily into his ways and heartily joining him in his idolatry

[02:19:15] [SPEAKER_08]: And they profess to be perfectly happy in their change and to be greatly

[02:19:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Advantageed by their new gods so they were seeing that the religion of the state now was better than that of

[02:19:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Under Jehovah y'all way

[02:19:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Got it and thus they made all their rulers glad with their lies

[02:19:38] [SPEAKER_08]: So okay, that's what was happening. Yeah, okay?

[02:19:41] [SPEAKER_08]: So verse seven says all of them are hot as another and they devour their rulers all their kings fall and none of them calls on me

[02:19:50] [SPEAKER_08]: But death of Jerobo in the second yeah was followed by a series of plots remember he had four

[02:19:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Kings

[02:19:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Real during his time. Okay, so Jerobo and was one of them

[02:20:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Conspirate oh I'm sorry

[02:20:05] [SPEAKER_08]: The death of Jerobo almost followed by a series of plots conspiracies and assassinations a

[02:20:11] [SPEAKER_08]: pitiful slaughter among the idolatrous kings of Israel

[02:20:16] [SPEAKER_08]: And we read about that in second Kings four of these kings had fallen during the time of Hosea

[02:20:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Successful assassin in all of these cases who would then become the king was pleased with the treacherous needs of his fellow plotters

[02:20:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Even though he himself was not safe from the plotting of others right, so that's kind of funny

[02:20:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean this is an exclusive

[02:20:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Is real like no

[02:20:41] [SPEAKER_02]: It all one of the most famous the wait we all know the hides of March because you know Julia Caesar was

[02:20:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

[02:20:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, so I mean like the you know these types of scenarios in ancient times were pretty fucking familiar and and

[02:20:57] [SPEAKER_02]: To be fair you know even today we're still dealing with some of that we just had and I don't like the guy but like

[02:21:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Trump was there was a

[02:21:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Attempted assassination and that kind of too yeah, but so

[02:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You know that second one didn't really even get close to

[02:21:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Completing but I mean there were two assassination attempts against you know a former president which is

[02:21:20] [SPEAKER_02]: You know we still have these these this obsession with power and the

[02:21:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Need to in act change by taking that person out. I'm gonna say something real quick about it

[02:21:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, what I think really interesting unless

[02:21:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Information has come out about the second guy that I have not heard yet which is totally possible

[02:21:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Right, but the last I heard neither of these guys was like

[02:21:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Democrats trying to take out the Democrat

[02:21:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Rival I know the first one was like previous like from what I had heard and again

[02:21:56] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to speak with authority but he had previously been like kind of pro Republican

[02:22:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And then fell out of you know sorts with

[02:22:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Trump as opposed like in his and his like

[02:22:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Dealing with the world I guess

[02:22:10] [SPEAKER_08]: No, I don't believe that's correct

[02:22:13] [SPEAKER_08]: And I could be wrong but it's my understanding that he had started out as a

[02:22:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Democrat and had even paid like a $15 like move on dot org

[02:22:26] [SPEAKER_07]: To a toward them

[02:22:27] [SPEAKER_08]: But then became a Republican but

[02:22:30] [SPEAKER_08]: So it was a register Republican

[02:22:34] [SPEAKER_08]: when he did

[02:22:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Assassination attack

[02:22:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Which everybody was like what that's weird

[02:22:42] [SPEAKER_08]: so

[02:22:42] [SPEAKER_08]: But the thing is he had not although he was a registered Republican

[02:22:48] [SPEAKER_08]: He had not been

[02:22:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Activer anything and what they found on his computer or phone or whatever

[02:22:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Was that he was looking for a high profile politician

[02:23:02] [SPEAKER_08]: He was looking up all of them

[02:23:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Whoever was coming closest to him

[02:23:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Because he wanted to make a name for himself

[02:23:09] [SPEAKER_08]: So it didn't matter who

[02:23:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Was standing on that stage that day

[02:23:16] [SPEAKER_08]: He wanted he would try to kill them for his own sake

[02:23:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so that's my understanding of what happened again. I could have it wrong

[02:23:24] [SPEAKER_08]: With the second guy I think that he

[02:23:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Maybe was not right

[02:23:29] [SPEAKER_08]: He it's always a he isn't it right?

[02:23:31] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think he was registered either way. I don't know I think that his was like some kind of he hasn't been mentally stable and

[02:23:44] [SPEAKER_08]: heard that

[02:23:45] [SPEAKER_08]: If Trump becomes president that it's gonna be like the worst thing ever and the world will explode

[02:23:50] [SPEAKER_08]: So that's why he tried but it was more of a mental illness thing than a

[02:23:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Democrat running after a Republican because I don't know that he was necessarily a Democrat

[02:23:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Right, but that's the most that I know of either of those two sure and again

[02:24:06] [SPEAKER_08]: I could be misremembering

[02:24:09] [SPEAKER_08]: I could have them both wrong and also more information could have come out since

[02:24:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Whatever I just said got it. Okay. Yep

[02:24:16] [SPEAKER_08]: So I see you over there type

[02:24:18] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I've been just curious like no, I was just curious

[02:24:21] [SPEAKER_08]: While you're doing that have you come up with any information that either adds to or refutes what I said?

[02:24:27] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I was I was just looking out to see if there was anything like immediately available about his pull the second person

[02:24:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Second call of affiliation and I

[02:24:36] [SPEAKER_02]: You know off the top of my head here. I haven't found anything specifically

[02:24:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So the top of the Google said so yeah, I don't know

[02:24:46] [SPEAKER_08]: But this is what it is well that's what I find interesting though is neither of them were like you know what I'm a hardcore

[02:24:53] [SPEAKER_08]: liberal progressive

[02:24:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Lefty left

[02:24:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Democrat and I am gonna go fuck some shit up today and kill me a goddamn mega Republican right like that doesn't happen because

[02:25:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Right people who are progressive Democrat liberal left this

[02:25:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Aren't really inclined toward violence that way actually this might have been the guy I was thinking of because his

[02:25:18] [SPEAKER_02]: The second guy is

[02:25:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Social media he described himself as a Trump supporter turn Trump critic

[02:25:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that might have been who I was thinking though. Oh, I didn't really thought yep, okay

[02:25:30] [SPEAKER_08]: So that's the second guy then yeah, interesting. Hmm still not a Democrat though right

[02:25:35] [SPEAKER_08]: I would say

[02:25:36] [SPEAKER_08]: That was probably more Christian

[02:25:39] [SPEAKER_02]: For himself as a Democratic person himself as a Trump critic

[02:25:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So got it that that's I

[02:25:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I would get a lot different he apparently he was once a registered Democrat in North Carolina, but that was two decades ago

[02:25:51] [SPEAKER_02]: So then anybody anybody who has followed politics for two decades knows that that means something

[02:25:57] [SPEAKER_02]: way different and yeah, and even at that

[02:26:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Republican and North Carolina or Democrat and North Carolina I should say is not the same as a Democrat in

[02:26:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Blessed-red state yeah, you know, yeah, the

[02:26:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Redist state Democrat is still gonna be so far right of any like

[02:26:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Other Democrat on like one of your coasts right yeah, so

[02:26:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Interesting yeah, so I would say his assassination attempt was more probably

[02:26:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Christianity and ideology based well

[02:26:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So again, and this is little and I it's coming back to me a little bit as to what I did know

[02:26:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I think he had some

[02:26:42] [SPEAKER_02]: tentative plans or want or wish to go fight and you crane in

[02:26:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, I do remember that

[02:26:50] [SPEAKER_02]: He was not for the stances that you know Trump took against yeah, you know you crane so he's that was gonna just go kill him

[02:26:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I guess I guess yeah

[02:27:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Fuck what I mean Trump was gonna you know basically hand Ukraine over to Russia

[02:27:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Wood and will if you ever became president so again right

[02:27:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so that makes perfect sense. I always go out and murder people that are blowing up the world

[02:27:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Nope, right yeah

[02:27:18] [SPEAKER_08]: To go over those four kings that were each assassinated during

[02:27:26] [SPEAKER_08]: hose heads lifetime yeah, Zechariah was slain by Shalom

[02:27:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Shalom was slain by Manoham

[02:27:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Manoham was

[02:27:36] [SPEAKER_08]: assassinated by

[02:27:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Pecanaya who was slain by

[02:27:43] [SPEAKER_08]: And

[02:27:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Was slain by Hoshaya

[02:27:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Guy yeah, that was all on second Kings okay, all right and all were idolaters and all came to an

[02:27:54] [SPEAKER_08]: untimely death I mean as assassination does yeah, you know

[02:27:58] [SPEAKER_08]: So verse eight goes on to say

[02:28:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Eeper mixes with the nations even is a flat loaf not turned over

[02:28:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Eeper is a cake on turn is another

[02:28:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Translation so the idea is of a half-baked cake

[02:28:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, where that comes from is this in those days bread was often prepared as a cake

[02:28:18] [SPEAKER_08]: That was cooked on both sides something like a pancake

[02:28:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Having heated the heart they sweep one corner put the cake upon it and cover it with embers

[02:28:27] [SPEAKER_08]: In a short time they'll turn it over covered again and continue this several times in a row till they find it sufficiently bank baked

[02:28:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, and thinking they can serve the people can serve both God and the idols of other nations

[02:28:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Israel is like an unturned pancake burnt on one side uncooked on the other

[02:28:48] [SPEAKER_08]: Got it so that's what they meant by a half-baked cake or a cake on turn or a flat loaf not turned over

[02:28:55] [SPEAKER_02]: See now I feel like they would be thinking that they're like a completely turn cake

[02:28:58] [SPEAKER_02]: They're like I'm taking advice from all these gods. You know, they just turn me over a million town

[02:29:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever, oh

[02:29:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Tomorrow I got all the gods look at this. I'm so baked yeah

[02:29:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Verse nine says foreign or sap his strength but he does not realize it his hair is sprinkled with gray

[02:29:15] [SPEAKER_08]: But he does not notice remember that and we were like the fuck is this right I'm assuming it's talking about influences from like other cultures like

[02:29:25] [SPEAKER_08]: The Egyptians and the Syrians and stuff like that. Yes, I know it's that he's doing all of these bad behaviors

[02:29:33] [SPEAKER_08]: That he's getting from other neighbors, but he doesn't notice how he's acting

[02:29:39] [SPEAKER_08]: So the being Israel yes, yes, so it's being it's comparing a man who's like super old has gray hair

[02:29:48] [SPEAKER_08]: He's all grizzled right, but he's still acting like a young shot, you know like talking about those glory

[02:29:53] [SPEAKER_08]: football days right so not realizing

[02:29:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Acting away that is not

[02:30:01] [SPEAKER_08]: True to who he actually is got is what that's about got okay verse 11 says

[02:30:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Ephraim is like a dove easily deceived and senseless now calling to Egypt now turning to a Syria

[02:30:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I was saying what I said because I remember that being part of that

[02:30:19] [SPEAKER_02]: chapter was that they were talking about Egypt in the Syria and

[02:30:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And when they what was the bit before where they were saying that they were easily

[02:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Swayed or something or they were they were taking too much influence from something or other or whatever

[02:30:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Or there's sap is string yeah, four in our sap is strength so like and then they move on directly to talk about

[02:30:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Syria and Egypt

[02:30:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is why I said what I said because I feel like that was part of it too got it well

[02:30:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Another way that that is translated in other versions

[02:30:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Ephraim also was like a silly dove without heart of the am silly dove I know well

[02:30:56] [SPEAKER_08]: I found this part very interesting because here's the thing

[02:31:01] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know a lot about devs except they're supposed to be the bird of peace right and

[02:31:06] [SPEAKER_08]: That they carry in all of branch to offer that piece and that comes directly from that whole

[02:31:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Noah's arc thing right, so here's the thing a dove is a bird that has very little understanding it's

[02:31:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Easily snared and taken it's careless about its own young and it seems to live without any kind of thought

[02:31:27] [SPEAKER_08]: So it's a dumb bird I didn't know

[02:31:29] [SPEAKER_08]: It has been made by those who like it so far with heart without heart the symbol of conjugal affection

[02:31:37] [SPEAKER_08]: So all they care about is fucking not

[02:31:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Taking care of anything else much like what Israel is doing right now, right? I mean not right now today right now

[02:31:48] [SPEAKER_08]: In the Bible sorry, he's wanted to clarify

[02:31:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Nothing worse could have been chosen for the dove and its meat are continually quarreling

[02:31:59] [SPEAKER_08]: So that's just like I had no idea about

[02:32:02] [SPEAKER_08]: These birds that are just the birds of peace sure so

[02:32:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Anyway, they strive to make Egypt and Assyria their allies and friends like they keep going back and forth

[02:32:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Remember we talked about this when we were reading way back how they're just in the middle

[02:32:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Right well then that was that was actually later on

[02:32:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, this is before that. Yeah, it's constantly been a struggle

[02:32:23] [SPEAKER_02]: It's constantly been a political turmoil

[02:32:25] [SPEAKER_02]: They're in the middle of all these major powers and that's why a lot of shit happened here because they

[02:32:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Were in the middle of it all yes, yeah, that's all because they lived they lived in a good place

[02:32:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Well resource wise yes, and they lived in the middle of a bunch of other shit right

[02:32:44] [SPEAKER_08]: But I mean everybody wanted that area of the world because that area had

[02:32:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Like fertile crescent you know the whole like nice valleys and water and whatnot

[02:32:57] [SPEAKER_08]: You know can in the land of honey, right? Right like it was good land so everybody wanted it right and so they all fought over it the end that's the whole story yeah, yeah, so

[02:33:08] [SPEAKER_08]: When they're specifically going between Egypt and Assyria

[02:33:13] [SPEAKER_08]: They're kind of their allies. They're like friend of me's but this showed that like the doves

[02:33:19] [SPEAKER_08]: They were without heart and had no understanding for those two Egypt and Assyria were rival nations and

[02:33:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Israel could not attach itself to one without incurring the jealousy and displeasure of the other

[02:33:31] [SPEAKER_08]: So thus like the silly dove

[02:33:34] [SPEAKER_08]: They were constantly falling into snares sometimes of the Egyptians and at other times of the Assyrians

[02:33:40] [SPEAKER_08]: By the former they were betrayed and by the latter they were ruined

[02:33:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Got it so yeah, found that interesting. Okay moving on to chapter eight okay

[02:33:50] [SPEAKER_08]: So the wind reap the whirlwind the rebuk of it is reals a dollar tray

[02:33:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Remember that I love that so the wind reap the whirlwind I love it

[02:34:02] [SPEAKER_08]: So this chapter contains prophecies about the impending destruction of Israel and Judah for their

[02:34:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Empiety and idolatry and it's like does it because I thought we just read that

[02:34:12] [SPEAKER_08]: The chapter begins with threatening some hostile invasion in short and broken sentences full of rapidity

[02:34:23] [SPEAKER_08]: But

[02:34:24] [SPEAKER_08]: and expressive of sudden danger and alarm due to their hypocrisy and liquidy trees and an idolatry

[02:34:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Particularly the worshiping of the calves of Dan and Bethel

[02:34:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Boom, boom

[02:34:38] [SPEAKER_08]: The people of Israel claimed to know God but they have broken their covenant with him and sinned against his law

[02:34:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Did they oh no

[02:34:46] [SPEAKER_08]: I never knew that always the whole book

[02:34:48] [SPEAKER_08]: God will use the Assyrian army here symbolized by an eagle to bring his punishment upon them.

[02:34:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Their kings are not people appointed by God, but traders who murder to gain power.

[02:35:03] [SPEAKER_08]: The center of their religion is not Yahweh God, but the golden calves set up as idols in their cities.

[02:35:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is also Yahweh to them.

[02:35:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes exactly.

[02:35:12] [SPEAKER_02]: From what we did research on early when we were reading through stuff.

[02:35:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so that bears repeating.

[02:35:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[02:35:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Every time this comes up.

[02:35:18] [SPEAKER_02]: It does.

[02:35:19] [SPEAKER_08]: So verse 7 says, they sow the wind and reap the whirlwind.

[02:35:26] [SPEAKER_08]: The stock has no head.

[02:35:27] [SPEAKER_08]: It will produce no flower.

[02:35:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Where it to yield grain foreigners would swallow it up.

[02:35:33] [SPEAKER_08]: So this is considered a proverb which states that works have rewards and actions have consequences,

[02:35:40] [SPEAKER_08]: especially that people may face negative consequences for their bad actions.

[02:35:44] [SPEAKER_08]: That's true.

[02:35:44] [SPEAKER_08]: What you're motherfucking so, we all know that one.

[02:35:48] [SPEAKER_08]: So moving on to chapter 9, this is about being exiled and dried up.

[02:35:53] [SPEAKER_08]: The punishments to fit the sins, the punishment for Israel's persistent on faithfulness,

[02:35:58] [SPEAKER_08]: bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad way, no kidding.

[02:36:00] [SPEAKER_08]: It just goes on and on about it.

[02:36:02] [SPEAKER_08]: This chapter contains prophecies about the distress and captivity of Israel for her sins.

[02:36:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, her sins, no.

[02:36:09] [SPEAKER_08]: She's a girl again.

[02:36:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Especially for committing idolatry.

[02:36:13] [SPEAKER_08]: And so we're coming to a place where the end of the good life in Israel is common.

[02:36:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[02:36:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like that's always the case.

[02:36:21] [SPEAKER_08]: They're about to get it.

[02:36:22] [SPEAKER_08]: They're always about to get it.

[02:36:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[02:36:23] [SPEAKER_08]: They're like two seconds from getting it.

[02:36:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Ball warship and it's accompanying immoral rituals were aimed at increasing the produce

[02:36:31] [SPEAKER_08]: from farms and vineyards.

[02:36:34] [SPEAKER_08]: As a punishment, God will destroy the farms and vineyards and send the people into captivity.

[02:36:39] [SPEAKER_02]: That'll teach people.

[02:36:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So, we want more farm production and we're going to try to fix it by doing this.

[02:36:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And then instead the person that we're supposed to be worse than we don't know where's

[02:36:48] [SPEAKER_02]: supposed to be worse.

[02:36:49] [SPEAKER_02]: He's going to ruin all that and then we're supposed to worship him.

[02:36:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:36:53] [SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't make it.

[02:36:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Don't you always worship the ones that fuck you up?

[02:36:57] [SPEAKER_08]: No, no.

[02:36:58] [SPEAKER_08]: No.

[02:36:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Me neither.

[02:36:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Me neither.

[02:37:02] [SPEAKER_08]: They will be forced to eat food that to them is unclean when they are sent into captivity.

[02:37:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[02:37:09] [SPEAKER_08]: So, they will not be able to offer the usual food and wine offerings once they're

[02:37:16] [SPEAKER_08]: in captivity.

[02:37:17] [SPEAKER_08]: In fact, they will barely have enough to keep themselves alive.

[02:37:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So I guess they're going to be very happy that they have that unclean food from these

[02:37:27] [SPEAKER_02]: other people that have other gods and gracious that these people are helping them sustain

[02:37:32] [SPEAKER_02]: their life.

[02:37:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And yet God is the one that's letting them go over there to wither and die.

[02:37:37] [SPEAKER_08]: And then he's like, how dare you eat that food?

[02:37:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[02:37:40] [SPEAKER_08]: What?

[02:37:41] [SPEAKER_02]: What do you do?

[02:37:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[02:37:44] [SPEAKER_08]: So, then we get into the days of Israel's punishment in Egypt.

[02:37:48] [SPEAKER_08]: So meanwhile, while this is happening, the land in which they once lived will become wild

[02:37:53] [SPEAKER_08]: again through neglect.

[02:37:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

[02:37:56] [SPEAKER_08]: The people do not like Jose's denunciations and warnings obviously.

[02:38:00] [SPEAKER_02]: First, they never do.

[02:38:01] [SPEAKER_02]: No one knows when likes the naysayers.

[02:38:04] [SPEAKER_08]: No.

[02:38:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Don't know.

[02:38:05] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a thing.

[02:38:06] [SPEAKER_02]: People say, don't kill the messenger.

[02:38:08] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[02:38:08] [SPEAKER_02]: They people don't like it when you bring bad news.

[02:38:11] [SPEAKER_06]: Right.

[02:38:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[02:38:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And moreover, why the fuck would they believe you?

[02:38:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:38:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand what your standing is that makes you more authoritative than somebody else.

[02:38:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Now see, here's where a Christian or Republican or both or whatever might say, yeah, but

[02:38:30] [SPEAKER_08]: my crats are always doom and glooming and naysaying about the end of the world because

[02:38:35] [SPEAKER_08]: we're mountain-nid or it's too hot or it's going to flood.

[02:38:39] [SPEAKER_08]: What is it now?

[02:38:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, the world's on fire, climate change blah, blah, blah, then they would say, you're telling

[02:38:46] [SPEAKER_08]: us that you shouldn't believe the naysayers or don't shoot the messenger.

[02:38:52] [SPEAKER_08]: But you guys are being doomed.

[02:38:55] [SPEAKER_02]: They say, no, I'm saying this person doesn't have any facts to back him up.

[02:38:59] [SPEAKER_02]: At least we have facts to back this up.

[02:39:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of agree that we should probably be more positive with action that we're going

[02:39:07] [SPEAKER_02]: to take as opposed to always talking about the shitty things that are going to happen.

[02:39:11] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I'm not saying we don't need to address those, but our public front should

[02:39:17] [SPEAKER_02]: be, hey, just we all know this is the thing.

[02:39:21] [SPEAKER_02]: But this is what we're going to do positively to enact change.

[02:39:24] [SPEAKER_02]: We should talk more about that change and how it's going to influence jobs and do all

[02:39:29] [SPEAKER_02]: these other, like it should snowball into a fucking just branched out chart of everything

[02:39:37] [SPEAKER_02]: is going to be awesome by the time we're done.

[02:39:40] [SPEAKER_02]: That should be the message.

[02:39:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Not this sucks.

[02:39:43] [SPEAKER_02]: We need to fix it.

[02:39:44] [SPEAKER_08]: We need a new deal.

[02:39:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, we need to see what the end result will be when we're done with our plan.

[02:39:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[02:39:51] [SPEAKER_02]: And right now we're just reacting to shitty things that are happening.

[02:39:54] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, to be fair, like the world's on fire and we're running around trying to put

[02:39:59] [SPEAKER_08]: the fires out and there's not been a lot of time to like just sit down and make a plan.

[02:40:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But we need to.

[02:40:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, no, I totally agree.

[02:40:07] [SPEAKER_08]: So the people, like I said, do not like Jose as denunciations and warnings.

[02:40:11] [SPEAKER_08]: He has got some messenger to them.

[02:40:13] [SPEAKER_08]: The nations watchmen remember we talked about watchmen, but they call him a fool and a madman.

[02:40:20] [SPEAKER_08]: And they even plot to kill them.

[02:40:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[02:40:23] [SPEAKER_08]: So Israel is barren and dried up in judgment, and God is then introduced declaring his early

[02:40:30] [SPEAKER_08]: favor for his people.

[02:40:32] [SPEAKER_08]: And the delight he took in their obedience.

[02:40:34] [SPEAKER_08]: He's like, remember when I used to love you and they're like, no, not really.

[02:40:39] [SPEAKER_08]: But now the people had so deeply revolted all their glory will take wing.

[02:40:46] [SPEAKER_08]: God will forsake them and their offspring will be devoted to destruction.

[02:40:51] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, well, okay.

[02:40:53] [SPEAKER_08]: So God sends barrenness and bereavement.

[02:40:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Yay!

[02:40:57] [SPEAKER_08]: When God brought the people of Israel out of Egypt and led them through the wilderness, his

[02:41:01] [SPEAKER_08]: desire was that they enter a new era of fruitfulness.

[02:41:05] [SPEAKER_08]: But before they reached the Promised Land even, they had turned to ballism and its immorality.

[02:41:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Got it.

[02:41:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know?

[02:41:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like God was molded up his end of the bargain.

[02:41:15] [SPEAKER_02]: He never does.

[02:41:16] [SPEAKER_02]: That's you know?

[02:41:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Such un-thaitfulness has characterized the people ever since then, like from they won,

[02:41:22] [SPEAKER_08]: they've been buck ups.

[02:41:24] [SPEAKER_08]: They practice sexual rights, hoping that their families will increase.

[02:41:28] [SPEAKER_08]: So God's punishment, accordingly, will cause their families to decrease because of their

[02:41:33] [SPEAKER_08]: ball practices.

[02:41:34] [SPEAKER_08]: They will be fruitless instead of fruitful.

[02:41:37] [SPEAKER_08]: They will go into shameful captivity in a foreign land boom.

[02:41:42] [SPEAKER_08]: So, chapter 10 now, we're closing in on the end.

[02:41:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Israel has no king.

[02:41:47] [SPEAKER_08]: What?

[02:41:48] [SPEAKER_08]: The punishment for Israel's persistent, un-bathfulness continued reaping what they have

[02:41:54] [SPEAKER_08]: mother fucking son.

[02:41:56] [SPEAKER_08]: This last chapter here contains prophecies dated to the period between Shaman Nessur

[02:42:02] [SPEAKER_08]: the 5th, 1st and 2nd invasions of Israel.

[02:42:06] [SPEAKER_08]: And I was like, sorry, what's a Shaman Nessur?

[02:42:09] [SPEAKER_08]: So, this chapter contains prophecies dated to the period between Shaman Nessur the 5th

[02:42:14] [SPEAKER_08]: 1st and 2nd invasions of Israel.

[02:42:17] [SPEAKER_08]: And I was like, what the fuck is a Shaman Nessur?

[02:42:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[02:42:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[02:42:21] [SPEAKER_08]: So, here's who he was.

[02:42:23] [SPEAKER_08]: He was a king of the Neo-Assyrian Empire from the death of his father to Glath, Pilesar,

[02:42:32] [SPEAKER_08]: the 3rd in 727 BCE to his death position and death in 722 BCE.

[02:42:40] [SPEAKER_08]: So, he ruled about 5 years.

[02:42:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Shaman Nessur that this brief reign is poorly known from contemporary sources, but

[02:42:48] [SPEAKER_08]: is renowned for the conquest of Samaria and the fall of the kingdom of Israel.

[02:42:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Who knew?

[02:42:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Though the conclusion of that campaign is sometimes attributed to his successor,

[02:42:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Sargon.

[02:43:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[02:43:02] [SPEAKER_02]: That sucks.

[02:43:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Lost to spread it.

[02:43:04] [SPEAKER_08]: No, yeah, I never heard of the dude, but I've heard of Sargon.

[02:43:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Israel is reproved and threatened for its entirety and idolatry, you know, some more.

[02:43:14] [SPEAKER_08]: And exorbitant to repentance, you know, some more.

[02:43:17] [SPEAKER_08]: So, then we talk more about what this chapter deals with which is more of the same.

[02:43:22] [SPEAKER_08]: The more of the same.

[02:43:24] [SPEAKER_08]: It's the same more.

[02:43:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the same.

[02:43:29] [SPEAKER_08]: It's corrupted by too much prosperity.

[02:43:32] [SPEAKER_08]: That always happens to me.

[02:43:34] [SPEAKER_08]: And then it next reproves and threatens them for their idolatry and archie and breach of

[02:43:39] [SPEAKER_08]: covenant.

[02:43:39] [SPEAKER_08]: I feel like they keep reading the same sentences over and over.

[02:43:42] [SPEAKER_08]: They are.

[02:43:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Their idolatry is then enlarged upon and its fatal consequences declared in terms of

[02:43:48] [SPEAKER_08]: sublimity and pathos, darkness, darkness, whole of the, okay.

[02:43:54] [SPEAKER_08]: So, verse 8 says, the high places of wickedness will be destroyed.

[02:43:58] [SPEAKER_08]: It is the sin of Israel, thorns and fissiles will grow up and cover their altars.

[02:44:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Then they will say to the mountains cover us and to the hills, follow on us.

[02:44:08] [SPEAKER_08]: And we were like, what the fuck does that all mean?

[02:44:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Do you remember?

[02:44:12] [SPEAKER_08]: So, this is saying that no one can be trusted in justice like a poisonous plant is having

[02:44:17] [SPEAKER_08]: a deadly effect.

[02:44:18] [SPEAKER_08]: It is killing the nation.

[02:44:20] [SPEAKER_08]: The people do not fear God and as a result will fall under his judgment.

[02:44:24] [SPEAKER_08]: They, along with their king and the golden calf that they worship will be carried

[02:44:28] [SPEAKER_08]: off to a Syria.

[02:44:30] [SPEAKER_08]: The land will be ruined and the bow all altars will become overgrown with weeds.

[02:44:38] [SPEAKER_08]: So, then we move on and God is introduced complaining of their excessive guilt and threatening

[02:44:44] [SPEAKER_08]: them with captivity in terms that bare manifest illusion to their favorite idolatry,

[02:44:50] [SPEAKER_08]: the worshiping of the similar to of a calf or heifer.

[02:44:56] [SPEAKER_08]: And then, so we move on to verse 11, E from is a trained heifer that loves to thrash.

[02:45:04] [SPEAKER_08]: So I will put a yolk on her fair neck.

[02:45:07] [SPEAKER_08]: I will drive E from, Judah must plow and Jacob must break up the ground.

[02:45:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, definitely had a question about that.

[02:45:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:45:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Like what even is all that?

[02:45:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[02:45:16] [SPEAKER_08]: So, E from is thoroughly broken into and goes along peaceably in the yolk.

[02:45:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Is what this is all about.

[02:45:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Got it.

[02:45:24] [SPEAKER_08]: So she doesn't mind.

[02:45:25] [SPEAKER_08]: She's fine.

[02:45:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[02:45:27] [SPEAKER_08]: She is pleased and thus eats the corn.

[02:45:29] [SPEAKER_08]: But she will not only tread out the corn, she will also draw the plow and drag the

[02:45:34] [SPEAKER_08]: hero so that there may be seed for the fields.

[02:45:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Israel very frequently asked for stuff from Judah.

[02:45:41] [SPEAKER_08]: So they leaned on Judah a lot.

[02:45:44] [SPEAKER_08]: And as Israel loved to quote,

[02:45:47] [SPEAKER_08]: tread out the corn and not the plow.

[02:45:50] [SPEAKER_08]: So they like didn't mind eating what was cooked but they didn't want to do the work.

[02:45:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[02:45:56] [SPEAKER_08]: Therefore now he will be made to plow.

[02:45:58] [SPEAKER_08]: He's going to have to work.

[02:46:00] [SPEAKER_07]: Got it.

[02:46:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Which is to say he will be put under the yolk of the Assyrians.

[02:46:04] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[02:46:05] [SPEAKER_08]: So Judah and Jacob shall plow for themselves means that Judah should no long

[02:46:11] [SPEAKER_08]: or plow for Israel but for himself and Israel shall no more make requests on him or

[02:46:19] [SPEAKER_08]: demands and that you got to do your own shit.

[02:46:22] [SPEAKER_07]: Got it.

[02:46:23] [SPEAKER_08]: So that apparently is what that meant.

[02:46:26] [SPEAKER_08]: So that pretty much sums up those five chapters and answers the few questions that we had.

[02:46:34] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[02:46:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was very repetitive.

[02:46:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It was very much the same thing all the way through.

[02:46:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, that God sucks.

[02:46:42] [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know, right?

[02:46:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[02:46:44] [SPEAKER_08]: I think that he gave me a runny news and I thought so if you heard me stiffling throughout

[02:46:49] [SPEAKER_08]: I apologize we're going to try to edit some of that out so I might get through though.

[02:46:54] [SPEAKER_08]: So the apologies apologies apologies and I think that's it.

[02:46:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[02:46:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So that was our Q&A for today.

[02:47:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It's what I will be getting the weekly wrap up out here for tomorrow.

[02:47:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And then we're going to do some, we're going to do a special episode.

[02:47:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And we'll explain a little bit more about what are upcoming weeks.

[02:47:13] [SPEAKER_02]: We'll look like from there for their going forward.

[02:47:15] [SPEAKER_08]: And that will be in our live episode.

[02:47:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that will be our live episode room, which we'll be doing Wednesday night at 10 PM.

[02:47:22] [SPEAKER_08]: 10 PM Eastern.

[02:47:23] [SPEAKER_08]: 10 PM Eastern on this course.

[02:47:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[02:47:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's always link in the show notes.

[02:47:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a really fun episode for your car to get a clean price.

[02:47:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And a workstation in your nanny for service and a construction site with you.

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[02:48:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely check that out and join us there.

[02:48:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And then we'll see you guys then.

[02:48:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Yep. Bye.

[02:48:35] [SPEAKER_08]: What are we doing?

[02:48:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're actually doing a special episode.

[02:48:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Special episode. What the hell?

[02:48:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. So this one is going to be available for everybody.

[02:48:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's kind of the start of a new thing with us.

[02:48:51] [SPEAKER_05]: A thing? A thing.

[02:48:53] [SPEAKER_02]: What thing? So we have sucked at getting our podcast out lately.

[02:48:58] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's how.

[02:48:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So wife and I sat down and tried to figure out why we've sucked.

[02:49:04] [SPEAKER_08]: And how we could stop feeling like suckage.

[02:49:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And we came up with some solutions because a lot of this revol...

[02:49:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, lately some of it has revolved around wife being injured.

[02:49:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, that comes of all that.

[02:49:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But beyond that, as many of you know,

[02:49:22] [SPEAKER_02]: has started a new job and that has affected things as well.

[02:49:26] [SPEAKER_08]: You're working a million hours.

[02:49:27] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm working a million hours.

[02:49:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And so what we've decided is that we have basically one and a half days

[02:49:36] [SPEAKER_02]: where we can get ahead on our podcast.

[02:49:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And the way we were doing things was that we got ahead to a certain point

[02:49:46] [SPEAKER_02]: until we hit our live discord, which is what we're doing tonight actually.

[02:49:49] [SPEAKER_02]: We're on our live discord tonight.

[02:49:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Which you can join us every Wednesday at 10 Eastern on this course.

[02:49:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And I highly recommend it, especially after what we're about to announce.

[02:50:01] [SPEAKER_02]: So what we decided, we could only prepare so far because we wanted to stay

[02:50:05] [SPEAKER_02]: in the current with our episodes when we reached the discord.

[02:50:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And what we're going to do going forward is our discord night.

[02:50:13] [SPEAKER_02]: So Wednesday nights, when we record, will be special episodes every week.

[02:50:19] [SPEAKER_02]: And every other week will be a Patreon only special episode or discord only.

[02:50:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So you can catch them always on discord if you're live with us that night.

[02:50:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Or they will be Patreon only on the every other weeks.

[02:50:35] [SPEAKER_02]: We will do a special episode that goes out every other week for everybody as well.

[02:50:39] [SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to kind of bounce back and forth, but the only way to catch them all is to either

[02:50:43] [SPEAKER_02]: be with us on Patreon or discord or both.

[02:50:47] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that would be I'd, you know, best way for us to both worlds.

[02:50:52] [SPEAKER_05]: It's true.

[02:50:55] [SPEAKER_02]: But so that's what we're going to start doing tonight.

[02:50:57] [SPEAKER_08]: And that means that our Wednesday night lives will no longer be specifically Bible

[02:51:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Centric and that we will not necessarily be reading a chapter, which is what

[02:51:10] [SPEAKER_08]: we've been doing.

[02:51:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Our Wednesday lives will now be more current affairs, particularly maybe

[02:51:19] [SPEAKER_08]: leaning on news and politics and it because of that will be somewhat

[02:51:24] [SPEAKER_08]: American centric.

[02:51:26] [SPEAKER_08]: So apologies to our international listeners.

[02:51:29] [SPEAKER_08]: I know that that doesn't always interest you guys, but in some of the other things

[02:51:34] [SPEAKER_02]: we'll probably end up discussing what just be relevant seems to secularism and

[02:51:38] [SPEAKER_02]: yes, you know, things like that.

[02:51:40] [SPEAKER_08]: They will always have a tie to our channels,

[02:51:44] [SPEAKER_08]: purpose, which is atheism and free thought and agnosticism and humanism and all that.

[02:51:51] [SPEAKER_08]: So secularism.

[02:51:52] [SPEAKER_02]: They do, yeah.

[02:51:54] [SPEAKER_02]: So that being said, this is this month that this is for or is it, you know, the thing

[02:52:01] [SPEAKER_02]: that we're going to be discussing tonight is the month-long thingers at this week

[02:52:03] [SPEAKER_02]: or this week.

[02:52:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So there is a thing going on this week, which is kind of influencing what we're talking

[02:52:08] [SPEAKER_02]: about tonight, which is going to be.

[02:52:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Band books week.

[02:52:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[02:52:13] [SPEAKER_08]: Because what we're talking about tonight.

[02:52:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And this is one that is near and dear to our hearts and wife's hearts and heart in

[02:52:19] [SPEAKER_02]: particular because wife is quite the kind of sort of books.

[02:52:24] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, and library.

[02:52:25] [SPEAKER_08]: And like yeah, we met by working in a bookstore.

[02:52:28] [SPEAKER_02]: We did.

[02:52:29] [SPEAKER_02]: We did.

[02:52:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So actually as far as our relationship is concerned, it's actually very relevant to us.

[02:52:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think I speak for wife and I both in that we believe that there shouldn't be

[02:52:39] [SPEAKER_02]: band of books.

[02:52:40] [SPEAKER_08]: We were discussing this topic last night and the edarchist cookbook came up.

[02:52:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, okay.

[02:52:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, we did discuss that and I guess when it comes to direct harm and influencing or

[02:52:56] [SPEAKER_02]: having the ability to create harm in a book and the instructions on how to do so.

[02:53:04] [SPEAKER_02]: That that that might cross a line.

[02:53:06] [SPEAKER_08]: It's similar to the we have freedom of speech here in America, except that of course there are

[02:53:12] [SPEAKER_08]: things that we can't do, you could though we have freedom of speech.

[02:53:16] [SPEAKER_08]: We can't you know, fire and a crowded theater if there's not a fire.

[02:53:20] [SPEAKER_08]: So there's always going to be these rules that have what I would consider common sense

[02:53:28] [SPEAKER_08]: exceptions.

[02:53:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but we as we all know, sense is anything but common right.

[02:53:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And just before we jump into the main bit, I will say that like atheist and general like to joke

[02:53:39] [SPEAKER_02]: that the band book that they want would be the Bible, but to be perfectly honest with you,

[02:53:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want the Bible to be banned.

[02:53:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that we should have the Bible accessible to everybody and actually more than that,

[02:53:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I think it should be taught not to children, but it should be discussed and talked about in the sense that

[02:53:57] [SPEAKER_02]: it is a piece of literature about a mythical being from our past and human history.

[02:54:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It needs to be discussed in the way that it actually is and not how to exist in people's, you know,

[02:54:10] [SPEAKER_02]: zeitgeist for their own religion.

[02:54:12] [SPEAKER_05]: Right exactly.

[02:54:13] [SPEAKER_02]: The reason that you don't ban books like the Bible, even though they can cause harm with regard

[02:54:19] [SPEAKER_02]: to how these laws affect us, is because we still have to be able to examine those texts that are affecting

[02:54:25] [SPEAKER_02]: people regardless of whether they're banned or not and talk about them.

[02:54:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.

[02:54:30] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why it's important not to ban things.

[02:54:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Stop banning books, you guys.

[02:54:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I think we're going to get into a lot more in this episode.

[02:54:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Just wanted to make everybody aware of the change in our platform.

[02:54:45] [SPEAKER_02]: We will probably be doing kind of one less episode a week.

[02:54:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So like our, we'll be doing like four Bible study chapters per week, one special episode and a Q&A.

[02:54:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And that's going to be generally how we set up because it cuts one day off for us and gives us some time to reset and rethink and replan.

[02:55:04] [SPEAKER_08]: And let us work ahead without interfering with our lives.

[02:55:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it takes a lot of stress off of us and it allows us to move forward and still be productive with what we're doing exactly.

[02:55:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So I hope you all are on board with what we're doing and we're looking forward to this new, you know,

[02:55:21] [SPEAKER_02]: and we're going to be doing that work that we're doing. Yeah. And we hope you'll like it too. So that being said, you ready to jump into this?

[02:55:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Sure, let's do this. Okay.

[02:55:32] [SPEAKER_08]: All right, let's get into the band books week, shall we?

[02:55:38] [SPEAKER_08]: We shall. Okay.

[02:55:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Band books week. Do you know what it is?

[02:55:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Where we banned books.

[02:55:45] [SPEAKER_02]: And we ban them or banned them.

[02:55:47] [SPEAKER_08]: We banned all the books. And then we put them in a band and we, yeah, okay, that's too much.

[02:55:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I was just so bad.

[02:55:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I tried it. It went wrong. It went south.

[02:55:59] [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to go on this.

[02:56:01] [SPEAKER_02]: That didn't happen.

[02:56:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Band books week is an annual awareness campaign promoted by the American Library Association, the ALA, which I will say more about in a minute, along with Amnesty International.

[02:56:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Really? I didn't know that. Yeah.

[02:56:18] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's actually really fantastic.

[02:56:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Isn't it? Yeah, I just, I, that was the fact I did not know. And I did banned books week either last year or the year before we covered this.

[02:56:29] [SPEAKER_02]: We did.

[02:56:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Because books are near and dear to our heart. Yes. So.

[02:56:34] [SPEAKER_08]: But I don't recall that being a factoid.

[02:56:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Maybe they just started, you know, supporting it. Maybe they start jumped on, you know,

[02:56:41] [SPEAKER_08]: but it's cool. But it's, yeah, right. So the purpose of banned books week is threefold.

[02:56:48] [SPEAKER_08]: One, it celebrates the freedom to read.

[02:56:51] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, right?

[02:56:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Two, it draws attention to banned and challenged books. And there is a difference between challenged and banned.

[02:56:59] [SPEAKER_07]: Got it. Okay.

[02:57:01] [SPEAKER_08]: And number three, it highlights persecuted individuals, which I did not realize that it was about the individual is much as the book.

[02:57:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's really interesting to me. Well, like, I think someone rushed he comes to mind. Right?

[02:57:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. He is his home country just not support what he does. Right.

[02:57:20] [SPEAKER_08]: You know, and he was, he's probably a necessity to talk to him.

[02:57:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, we're not all that long ago, actually. Like, just in the last couple years, I think.

[02:57:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. He like lost an eye or something. Yeah. So I mean, in his book is not even available read in his own, his own country.

[02:57:34] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's, yeah. It's, it's things like that. Like it's there's people that risk their lives to get information to you through through their words, you know, and that that to me is admirable and worthy of respect and, you know, support.

[02:57:51] [SPEAKER_08]: And FYI, if you've never read some in Rushdie, highly recommend. Yeah. He's so good. And I, um, about poop my pants every time I watch Bridget Jones's diary.

[02:58:04] [SPEAKER_08]: He is part, he plays a small role in that movie. He plays the role of the quote unquote boring academic.

[02:58:12] [SPEAKER_07]: I did not know actually. Yeah.

[02:58:16] [SPEAKER_08]: She basically thinks that he's like overly pretentious or whatever. Right.

[02:58:21] [SPEAKER_08]: And he plays that guy got it. And that is just fucking hilarious. And every time I see him, I'm like, Oh my god, that's Sam and Rushdie.

[02:58:28] [SPEAKER_08]: I always forget he's at Bridget Jones's diary. That's very cool. Yeah. And that's a movie that I watch every new year. Okay. Anyway, whatever. So the United States campaign with regard to band books, we stresses the importance of ensuring the availability of those on orthodox or unpopular viewpoints to all who wish to read them.

[02:58:53] [SPEAKER_08]: And the requirement to keep material publicly available so that people can develop their own conclusions and opinions. Yeah.

[02:59:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Band books week is intended to encourage readers to examine challenged literary works and to promote intellectual freedom in library schools and bookstores. Yeah.

[02:59:14] [SPEAKER_08]: So we'll get into library schools libraries and schools at least in a minute here. Okay. Yeah. Ultimately, it's goal is to teach the importance of our first amendment rights and the power of literature and to draw attention to the danger that exists when restraints are imposed on the availability of information and a free society.

[02:59:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and you know this as well as I do. But I think that it's very important to read thing and you know what we're doing with this entire podcast actually is is you know emblematic of this idea and that's that

[02:59:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Read things that challenge your ideas of what is right and correct, right. And try to understand things from a different perspective so that way it all it does to me not not all it does.

[03:00:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But part of what it does for me is allows me to step outside of my own worldview and challenge my take on different ideas and then reformulate them in order to adapt to this new information that I'm getting right.

[03:00:22] [SPEAKER_08]: And to me that's important to be able to do. I have such mixed feelings on this because I like my comfort level. I like staying in my zone. I like being complacent.

[03:00:36] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm trying to be human here, right.

[03:00:39] [SPEAKER_08]: And like I don't want to go out there and re-Christian literature but here I am reading the Bible so I mean even at that I am pushing myself outside my comfort zone.

[03:00:48] [SPEAKER_08]: But like I'm not going to go shopping at a Christian bookstore and read a lot of Christian books where there's like a whole bunch of genres like I don't read Westerns you know like I don't really enjoy.

[03:01:05] [SPEAKER_08]: tedious biographies.

[03:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: But to me it would be so for example right if we continue going down this road with our podcast for a long, long time and we get done with the Bible at some point I'm probably at least in probably going to read other things and some of them will be things to challenge myself and that would be you know I definitely I've always one of the read the writings by CS Lewis with regard to religion because that's something that is brought up quite a bit.

[03:01:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know the philosophies that he had with regard to how Christianity is viable and real are important to the zeitgeist of the discussion.

[03:01:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Shite so these are things that I want to pursue in order to better formulate my ideas of what I have with regard to my beliefs and my stance on religion.

[03:01:49] [SPEAKER_08]: No I totally get that. I totally get that.

[03:01:52] [SPEAKER_08]: So and that's that's I'm just trying to be honest like honestly speaking there are some things that I don't want to try out.

[03:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Right I completely agree with you.

[03:02:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I will never read Daniel steal right so I'm just saying that one is not going to be something I will ever.

[03:02:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I'm not into romance or erotic of you like Daniel steal more power to you.

[03:02:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I just I'm not doing it.

[03:02:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah so I'm just it's not my thing and yeah so I guess the difference is that whereas I don't want to come out of my zone and try things I'm not willing to stop other people like if you like romance or erotic or whatever.

[03:02:30] [SPEAKER_08]: If you like Western that's fine.

[03:02:32] [SPEAKER_08]: It's there read it.

[03:02:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Go read all the things.

[03:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: It's not it.

[03:02:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Oddly enough one of the books that you and I connected on when we were younger was actually shrugged right I'm ready.

[03:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: We were both reading it for the reasons of understanding a different perspective on you know politics and yes, you know that was why we were reading it not because we were fans of the brand.

[03:02:57] [SPEAKER_02]: You know like we were we were trying to understand this point of view and then be able to comment about it better after having read that book right so information even opposing views.

[03:03:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah being available for everybody to read and understand have available is very very very important.

[03:03:14] [SPEAKER_08]: It was important for our marriage.

[03:03:16] [SPEAKER_08]: Well yeah I mean okay I know we told the story before but just for anybody who has never heard it.

[03:03:22] [SPEAKER_08]: We were both going to our local community college and we both ended up in the computer lab at the same time and we're sitting next to each other and we're like hey how are you because we have both.

[03:03:32] [SPEAKER_08]: We had worked together and a bookstore.

[03:03:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So which we can say the name it's not even a bookstore.

[03:03:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Oh yeah borders books of music.

[03:03:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah so we used to work there loved it and then when we bumped into each other on the community college campus.

[03:03:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Right it was just like really cool like just coming back to an old friend you know.

[03:03:56] [SPEAKER_08]: And so we started hanging out when we were sitting next to each other in the computer lab you has been open your backpack and I bow shit my pants because not only did the book.

[03:04:10] [SPEAKER_08]: I ran atleast shrugd tumble out of your backpack but I saw your bookmark you were almost exactly the same way the same portion of the way through the book that I was.

[03:04:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Right and I was like you're reading that you've got to be fucking kidding me.

[03:04:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm like I opened my bag and pulled my copy out and like we weren't taking the same classes like this does not college requirement or suggestion.

[03:04:36] [SPEAKER_08]: We didn't run in the same circles that haven't come up in conversation or anything like that.

[03:04:42] [SPEAKER_02]: You both had chose to read that book.

[03:04:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah so I mean if I believed in fate of my statement to be but this is an atheist podcast and also if you look at the history we met in the fucking bookstore.

[03:04:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Right and we were both a very liberal bookstore at that yeah at the time.

[03:04:57] [SPEAKER_02]: And you were discovering your liberalness at the time.

[03:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[03:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And we were coming into your own with regard to that and this was part of that journey for you.

[03:05:04] [SPEAKER_08]: It was yeah so it's not that unusual.

[03:05:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Right it was very political too.

[03:05:11] [SPEAKER_02]: No I shouldn't say too.

[03:05:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I was very political.

[03:05:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I was at the time campaigning for the green party.

[03:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I was doing all kinds of shit that was very you know out there with active and out there with regard to people of my age group at the time with regard to politics.

[03:05:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I read a lot of political books.

[03:05:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I read a lot of history.

[03:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I read a lot of I mean when I was in my early 20s you probably didn't want to fuck with me on politics.

[03:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: That would probably an angry fucking kid with regard to politics.

[03:05:40] [SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of who I was so.

[03:05:42] [SPEAKER_08]: I'll just never forget the day that I realized that I was not the Republican that my parents had brought me up to me.

[03:05:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Right and I emailed like all my liberal friends and was like oh my God you guys.

[03:05:54] [SPEAKER_08]: I think I think I'm a Democrat.

[03:05:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Everybody was like sending me like applause and like you know a great job and welcome and oh so glad to see you here and husband used that me welcome to the dark side.

[03:06:09] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah yeah that's so great.

[03:06:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay so anyway back to being a fan of the book not romance.

[03:06:15] [SPEAKER_02]: No hey yeah we got to we're out we're you know people shouldn't expect us to get off on never never mind what.

[03:06:22] [SPEAKER_08]: So anyway yes we do those yeah so we talked about the United States campaign with regard to band books week.

[03:06:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah in our national campaign recognizes individuals who have been persecuted because of the writings that they produce circulate or read.

[03:06:38] [SPEAKER_08]: So that's where Sam and Rush D.

[03:06:39] [SPEAKER_08]: For example would be mentioned yeah on amnesty international documents cases annually with show individuals who have been reportedly killed incarcerated.

[03:06:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Or otherwise harassed by national authorities around the world they urge people to take action to help it in partnership with its urgent action network by contacting authorities regarding human rights violations.

[03:07:04] [SPEAKER_08]: The international event held by amnesty international has been praised for reminding people about the price that some people pay for expressing controversial views.

[03:07:14] [SPEAKER_08]: Right wow you know since 2011 the American Association of School Libraries which is a branch under the ALA has designated the Wednesday of Band Books Week as Band website awareness day.

[03:07:33] [SPEAKER_08]: And we're recording this on Wednesday of Band Books Week.

[03:07:37] [SPEAKER_08]: Well that is right now if you're listening to this when it posts then it's Thursday or after so your late and you missed it sure you should have been on discord.

[03:07:48] [SPEAKER_02]: You know at 10 p.m. Eastern on Wednesdays right I bet I bet our podcast website probably ends up in some like filters because there's customers all through it so right.

[03:07:58] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a very least with that that's even before you get to the ideas that are loaded through it.

[03:08:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[03:08:03] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a guard ace the atheism and everything else so.

[03:08:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Well husband happy band website awareness day yeah yeah.

[03:08:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And you're supposed to say to you as well and to you as well I'm sorry.

[03:08:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[03:08:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I apologize.

[03:08:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't through any of the fewer celebrated right here on the air.

[03:08:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[03:08:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought you were just acknowledging that yeah that's a thing so.

[03:08:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[03:08:22] [SPEAKER_08]: The theme of this year's event is freed between the line.

[03:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's clever.

[03:08:28] [SPEAKER_02]: That's clever.

[03:08:30] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm always here for a good dad joke and our dad puns.

[03:08:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Did you like my dad joke today?

[03:08:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.

[03:08:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.

[03:08:37] [SPEAKER_08]: It was so hard.

[03:08:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Well it was really dumb.

[03:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It was really fucking dumb.

[03:08:41] [SPEAKER_08]: It was so hard.

[03:08:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So okay I'm going to start this story.

[03:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: You can finish it.

[03:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[03:08:45] [SPEAKER_02]: But there was a there okay I was at work where there was a there was a freaking red tailed

[03:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: walk in a tree at work and it was just sitting there.

[03:08:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like oh my gosh that's so beautiful.

[03:08:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I found a place where I could take a really great picture of it.

[03:08:57] [SPEAKER_02]: I took a really great picture of it.

[03:08:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to share it in this court when we're done.

[03:09:01] [SPEAKER_02]: It's beautiful.

[03:09:02] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's it's a beautiful picture.

[03:09:05] [SPEAKER_08]: And anyway.

[03:09:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Isn't it to me, kids?

[03:09:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[03:09:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And then you can tell them what I said.

[03:09:09] [SPEAKER_08]: And you said sit in an a tree in front of our place of work.

[03:09:12] [SPEAKER_08]: And then kids said did he buy a thing?

[03:09:15] [SPEAKER_08]: And then you said hello.

[03:09:17] [SPEAKER_08]: He said our prices were two Falcon high.

[03:09:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Falcon, Falcon, Falcon.

[03:09:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Falcon.

[03:09:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And I died and this is my go speak to.

[03:09:30] [SPEAKER_08]: That's all.

[03:09:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.

[03:09:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I said I was proud of that moment.

[03:09:34] [SPEAKER_02]: For about 30 seconds.

[03:09:35] [SPEAKER_08]: No I said that to my mom and your mom and they both appreciate it.

[03:09:38] [SPEAKER_08]: It was a good one.

[03:09:40] [SPEAKER_08]: My mom said that she and Dan were both cracking up.

[03:09:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[03:09:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Isn't good at two Falcon high?

[03:09:47] [SPEAKER_08]: All right.

[03:09:47] [SPEAKER_08]: So let's talk a little bit more about the American Library Association.

[03:09:51] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[03:09:52] [SPEAKER_08]: It is a nonprofit organization based in the US that promotes libraries and library education

[03:09:59] [SPEAKER_08]: internationally.

[03:10:00] [SPEAKER_08]: It is the oldest and largest library association in the world.

[03:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's cool.

[03:10:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[03:10:07] [SPEAKER_08]: And so what we do is to make sure that the library is open to any person or organization.

[03:10:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Why are we not members of the ALA?

[03:10:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Mostly poor.

[03:10:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Though it's members are mostly libraries or librarians.

[03:10:21] [SPEAKER_08]: And I am in a different life have masters and library science.

[03:10:27] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm a librarian.

[03:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to be.

[03:10:30] [SPEAKER_08]: In a different timeline.

[03:10:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[03:10:32] [SPEAKER_08]: And if I were to pursue that career choice that career field,

[03:10:36] [SPEAKER_08]: I would have to find a school that has an accredited program that is approved by the ALA.

[03:10:44] [SPEAKER_08]: So they're an important room.

[03:10:47] [SPEAKER_08]: They're very, they're for real.

[03:10:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Like you don't just go to school and be like, I'm a librarian now.

[03:10:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[03:10:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Like if the ALA says you're not, then your degree is nothing.

[03:10:57] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[03:10:57] [SPEAKER_08]: So anyway, most members of the ALA live and work in the US with international members,

[03:11:05] [SPEAKER_08]: and we're just comprising only 3.5% of total membership, which makes sense.

[03:11:10] [SPEAKER_08]: It's based in the US.

[03:11:12] [SPEAKER_08]: But that's where international, I'm going to see international comes in.

[03:11:16] [SPEAKER_07]: Got it.

[03:11:17] [SPEAKER_08]: All right.

[03:11:17] [SPEAKER_08]: But let's talk about that thing.

[03:11:19] [SPEAKER_08]: I mentioned earlier the American Association of School Libraries,

[03:11:22] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[03:11:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Which is a branch of that.

[03:11:24] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[03:11:25] [SPEAKER_08]: The ALA SL is a division of the ALA.

[03:11:29] [SPEAKER_08]: That serves primary school and secondary school librarians in the US,

[03:11:34] [SPEAKER_08]: Canada and internationally, which is why it says primary school and secondary school.

[03:11:41] [SPEAKER_08]: That's what the mission of the American Association of School librarians

[03:11:46] [SPEAKER_08]: is to empower leaders to transform teaching and learning.

[03:11:50] [SPEAKER_08]: ASL publishes standards for school libraries that provide benchmarks and insight into the indicators

[03:11:56] [SPEAKER_08]: for each standard.

[03:11:58] [SPEAKER_08]: It's various publications assistant helping school librarians establish effective library programs

[03:12:03] [SPEAKER_08]: that meet the needs of changing school library environments.

[03:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you know what?

[03:12:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to applaud the school librarians out there because a lot of them have really stepped up

[03:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: to the plate when it's come to some of these band-book things that are happening in the news.

[03:12:20] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, particularly in Florida.

[03:12:23] [SPEAKER_02]: And they really have held their ground with regard to their stance on how to treat the information

[03:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: that is in their libraries.

[03:12:32] [SPEAKER_08]: They've tried to fight it and when they couldn't fight it anymore,

[03:12:37] [SPEAKER_08]: they complained some of them retired over it or quit.

[03:12:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Some of them created secret libraries for students that, you know,

[03:12:46] [SPEAKER_08]: were really interested in one of these band-books.

[03:12:49] [SPEAKER_02]: But they've made a public statement.

[03:12:52] [SPEAKER_02]: The collectively has a group of people.

[03:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: They have been enough voices out there that it is well known that they have stood up for the rights of free speech.

[03:13:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's something that is very admirable to me on an individual basis.

[03:13:07] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, no, that is something that I've always appreciated about librarians in general.

[03:13:14] [SPEAKER_08]: To me, they are like the not the front line, but they are right there in the fight for First Amendment rights.

[03:13:22] [SPEAKER_08]: And they are just so brave and the work that they do is amazing.

[03:13:29] [SPEAKER_08]: I so admire them, they are heroes.

[03:13:32] [SPEAKER_08]: That's off to librarians everywhere.

[03:13:35] [SPEAKER_08]: So band website awareness data. Let's talk about that a little bit more.

[03:13:40] [SPEAKER_08]: It was designated by the AASL and is celebrated to raise awareness of the overly restrictive and increasingly aggressive blocking

[03:13:50] [SPEAKER_08]: of legitimate educational websites and academically useful social networking tools used by students and educators in schools at school libraries.

[03:14:02] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I read a bunch of the sites that are blocked that they wish that they would block things like Facebook even because they're like, well, no, that was my first impression.

[03:14:13] [SPEAKER_08]: But the more I read them or that they kind of convinced me like the kids are on it,

[03:14:17] [SPEAKER_08]: whether we like it or not. And blocking it means that we cannot teach them how to use it correctly, or you know when there's bullying happening off campus, the school cannot step in and assist students who are being bullied online.

[03:14:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[03:14:37] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I get it. I get it. I guess my concern is that, you know,

[03:14:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I in an ideal situation, I would want them not to be banned.

[03:14:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. And but in the the focus should be on teaching, right, a teaching moment, not banning.

[03:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. Because that's the lazy way out. Right. That's like teaching the abstinence only in sex ed. Right.

[03:15:04] [SPEAKER_08]: And then they're going to have a discussion about these things and trust our children to make choices based on what they've learned at home.

[03:15:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. And you can't teach them how to navigate something if you don't allow them to even navigate it, right?

[03:15:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. Right. And they are going the the fact is that whether their parents and the school bands it or not, those kids are still going to be on social media.

[03:15:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not, it's not even a question at this point. They will have an account through a friend's phone or something that they manage and that's just the way this world operates.

[03:15:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Did you see there there's been times when stood or when kids had their smartphones taken away from them, and they were so addicted that they found a way to use the online thing through their refrigerator.

[03:15:49] [SPEAKER_08]: They get on Twitter or something like that. It's some serious innovation. Yeah. Everybody's like these kids are still addicted and I'm like, did you all miss the part where they figured out shit that we can't figure out?

[03:16:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, compared to your level of technical expertise, they just hacked fucking NASA.

[03:16:08] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. Whatever. You're an R. Day. We made fun of our parents for not being able to program the BCR.

[03:16:15] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. And now the kids are making fun of us for not being able to get online, and we're not know that you can get online through the smart devices in our home.

[03:16:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. You know? I'm like, you're missing the thread here.

[03:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of feel bad for our kids because I was always very technical and I know how to do things.

[03:16:41] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know what, here's the difference. Right. Our kids grew up in an environment where we encouraged thought and conversation and we encouraged them to bring us ideas.

[03:16:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And I think we fostered an environment that allowed them to be online and still have a family discussion about things.

[03:17:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And it seemed to work, you know? And I think that's more importantly than anything with regard to the band website day or whatever.

[03:17:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the problem is that we're not addressing the issue that is there.

[03:17:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. And the issue that is there is that these kids are getting on things that we don't know that a lot of parents don't know what they're doing.

[03:17:26] [SPEAKER_08]: And the problem is not that the kids are addicted like no, that's a symptom of the problem.

[03:17:31] [SPEAKER_08]: The problem is that the parents are addicted and they are using the phone that they're letting the phone entertain their kids.

[03:17:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. Wow, they're in another room sitting on the couch on their phone. Yeah, and they don't care until it's too late.

[03:17:48] [SPEAKER_02]: That's that's the general ammo of the bathroom.

[03:17:51] [SPEAKER_08]: By child with Debra. That's what they always say. Sure.

[03:17:54] [SPEAKER_08]: That's like you don't even know what your child would or would have.

[03:17:59] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I think it helps to set healthy boundaries with regard to technology. And like we had things where, you know, like if you started getting in a bad mood because of technology.

[03:18:10] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it was it was off. You're done. Yeah. That's that's it. It was particularly like video game kind of things like they would get like shitty about it. Both both of them.

[03:18:20] [SPEAKER_08]: They would get shitty about like I keep losing or dying and the they would like get so angry and we're like okay. So you need a break.

[03:18:27] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. Like I understand frustration at losing, but you are like legit pissed off and that much emotion toward a game is not okay.

[03:18:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really out of listen, send younger. We checked in with them very very much with regard to their activity online.

[03:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. So I mean it was something we monitored on a regular basis. Yeah. And you know, kept track of.

[03:18:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. And you know, we helped them set up their accounts and we, you know, made it clear that we could check in on those accounts any time.

[03:19:00] [SPEAKER_08]: But we all suspect it bound to it. Sure. So there's a healthy mix, you know. You just, you have to have that conversation.

[03:19:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And not just once right like you have to keep checking in. Yeah. So you can't have the birds in the be talk and then just like let your kids go, right.

[03:19:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Like that can't be it. You have to continue to talk about that kind of stuff and and be okay with having open discussions about these things ongoing in your household.

[03:19:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Information is how you move forward and it's how you move through life and how you understand the depth.

[03:19:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, like kid asked me, what do you always or what do you keep talking about this? You know, we already talked about this before. I'm like right, but like I say I love you more than once, you know, I don't just say I love you once when you were born and then never again because what I already told you.

[03:19:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. Like no, I keep telling you so you keep knowing it.

[03:19:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. Like, you know, this stuff is just like that. It's important. I'm I'm relaying data to you and then I'm reinforcing it.

[03:20:00] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. So anyway, whatever. So the AASL, that's the school thing.

[03:20:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. It vises that filtering websites does the next generation of digital citizens, a grave disservice students must develop skills to evaluate information from all types of sources and multiple formats including the internet relying solely on filters does not teach young citizens how to be savvy searchers or how to evaluate the accuracy of information.

[03:20:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Sure. I totally appreciate that.

[03:20:32] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. I'm in. Do I want my kid floating around on a port site? No, but if you don't address it, they will end up there anyway.

[03:20:42] [SPEAKER_08]: And maybe not on purpose. Maybe yes on purpose. Like you got to talk about it.

[03:20:47] [SPEAKER_02]: But if you don't, if you are open about it, it's something that you are able to address.

[03:20:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Great. And then if they do want to go to a port site, maybe they'll do it intelligently and not download, you know, a virus to the computer or have the FBI show up, you know?

[03:21:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. I don't know. Whatever.

[03:21:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That's always not a, yeah.

[03:21:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody wants that to happen.

[03:21:12] [SPEAKER_08]: No. That reminds me one of my nephews.

[03:21:17] [SPEAKER_08]: This is what when one of my nephews was really, really young like I'm talking like third or fourth grade.

[03:21:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. Parents were checking it on his phone and found a search history that included included.

[03:21:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Scooby-Doo and Velma and Daphne.

[03:21:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Um, doing the thing.

[03:21:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[03:21:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I just, you know, that's why you checking on kids.

[03:21:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[03:21:51] [SPEAKER_08]: I just thought, oh, wow. That is so funny.

[03:21:53] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. Okay. Anyway, so history.

[03:21:57] [SPEAKER_08]: Band books week has been observed in late September to early October since 1982 when it was founded

[03:22:05] [SPEAKER_08]: by First Amendment and Library Activist Judith Krug. Krug said that the association of American

[03:22:12] [SPEAKER_08]: publishers contacted her with ideas to bring band books to the attention of the American public

[03:22:18] [SPEAKER_08]: after a quote, slew of books had been banned that year. Krug relay the information to the American Library

[03:22:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Association's intellectual freedom committee and six weeks later, they celebrated the first band books week.

[03:22:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Very cool. Let's keep in mind, 1982 that would have been like right at the beginning of satanic panic.

[03:22:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And Reagan's, you know, the substantial, you know, campaign, you know, the super social beginnings

[03:22:44] [SPEAKER_08]: of when Republicanism was getting tied to Christianity. Yeah. Hardcore.

[03:22:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. So yeah, that makes perfect sense of why the slew of books were suddenly banned everywhere.

[03:22:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. So, yeah. Unfortunately, yes. The top 10 most challenged books of 2023 are gender queer by Maya Kababi

[03:23:09] [SPEAKER_08]: and I apologize for my horrible pronunciation reasons for LGBTQIA plus content and claim to be sexually explicit.

[03:23:18] [SPEAKER_08]: All boys aren't blue, which was on the list the last time we did this episode by George M. Johnson reasons

[03:23:25] [SPEAKER_08]: LGBTQIA content claim to be sexually explicit. This book is gay by Juno Dawson for the reasons of LGBTQIA plus content, sex education

[03:23:37] [SPEAKER_08]: claim to be sexually explicit. I'm sensing that theme. Are you sensing a pattern? Yeah. The perks of being a wallflower.

[03:23:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Such a good book and movie. Yeah. By Stephen Shboski reasons claim to be sexually explicit. LGBTQIA content, rape, drugs and profanity.

[03:23:55] [SPEAKER_02]: This is crazy. That's fucking bullshit. I mean, the, the, the, the, the, the, the book.

[03:23:59] [SPEAKER_02]: But that book should be, should absolutely be available to high scores. Yeah. Absolutely.

[03:24:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely 100%. Yeah. Totally because it's not about what happened to the kid. It's about how the kid, um, don't within the aftermath.

[03:24:13] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just friends and learning. Right. And I'm speaking on this one because I know this one, but I, I'm sure that that supplies to the others as well. Sure. Sure.

[03:24:21] [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, there's no, there's no fucking reason that would be banned. No, it's such a good book. Yeah.

[03:24:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Flamer by Mike Curado reasons LGBTQIA plus content claim to be sexually explicit. Yeah. The blue is died by Tony Morrison reasons depiction of rape and says claim to be sexually explicit.

[03:24:39] [SPEAKER_08]: EDI content. Okay. Now we've got a tie for the next two tricks by Ellen Hopkins reasons claim to be sexually explicit drugs.

[03:24:48] [SPEAKER_08]: The picture of rape LGBTQIA content. Ellen Hopkins, I believe is the one who wrote speak and then shout. Oh, yeah.

[03:24:57] [SPEAKER_02]: That's where actually. Yeah. I read those. I read those.

[03:25:01] [SPEAKER_08]: I read those. I read them because kids. Yeah. No, I read that way before.

[03:25:04] [SPEAKER_08]: I was like super impressed and also just on my toes ready for discussion for speak and shout because those are very heavy material. Very well written.

[03:25:19] [SPEAKER_08]: Very good books, but heavy. Yeah. So the other one that tied with it was me and Earl in the dying girl by Jesse Andrews reasons claim to be sexually explicit and profanity.

[03:25:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, not profanity. I'm talking bullshit. Yes.

[03:25:35] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's talk about it by Erica Moen and Matthew Nolan reasons claim to be sexually explicit sex education LGBTQIA content.

[03:25:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Again, see that? No. I see the chatter. No, this is feeling I mean specifically the sexual content and the LGBTQIA content.

[03:25:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And even more so in that bad pairing, LGBTQIA is very much religiously driven. Yes. You know? Yeah.

[03:26:05] [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I don't think that I don't know. Again, I think these these themes are better. Like no matter what your views are on them, right?

[03:26:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Even if your views are against LGBTQIA, you should be willing to entertain the ideas that you can discuss it with your kid. Right?

[03:26:27] [SPEAKER_02]: If you are confident in your ideas, you should be willing to allow that information to enter and then discuss right?

[03:26:36] [SPEAKER_02]: To me, it's okay if your kid reads something that you don't agree with as long as you are willing and able to discuss that stuff with them. Right?

[03:26:46] [SPEAKER_02]: That's the important aspect of allowing for books not to be banned is the ability to teach from those moments.

[03:26:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And I think that's why we're having such an issue is because we have a bunch of people in this country who are right-leaning religious fanatics who don't like LGBTQIA because of religion only they don't really know why.

[03:27:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. You know, they don't understand their ideas of hate that they have towards these communities and therefore their answer is don't talk about it. Don't it just doesn't exist. Let's pretend it's not there.

[03:27:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And more so let's make sure our kids can't see that is there. Right. Exactly because we don't want to even talk about it. No.

[03:27:33] [SPEAKER_02]: And of way that it is dealt with now and that's just it's crap. It's not okay. Right. It's just not okay at the end of the day. It's not okay.

[03:27:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay, the last one on the list for the top 10 for last year.

[03:27:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. That's okay. Was the book sold by Patricia McCormick reasons claim to be sexually explicit and depiction of rape.

[03:27:55] [SPEAKER_08]: I am willing to bet if I recall correctly that it's also because it had to do with the slave trade.

[03:28:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. That sold is the name of the book.

[03:28:17] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. Don't you don't you talk about how I personally used to own a slave in suck.

[03:28:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. What? Yeah. Did you hear yourself, sir?

[03:28:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. I don't think that you understood what I said because you didn't honestly be your ancestor shirt like did and you shouldn't you know be concerned about that when we should talk about it.

[03:28:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. No, I that's the important part of these book is the discussions right?

[03:28:47] [SPEAKER_08]: No, no. That's Yucky. You're saying that I own a slave and that's gross and I'm like, well, it would be gross if you weren't a slave but that's not what I'm saying.

[03:28:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. Right. Yeah. People.

[03:28:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Let's see. There's a let freedom read day on September 28th of this year.

[03:29:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay. Which is that this week. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're asking everyone to get ready to vote for the freedom to read or to take at least one action to help defend books from censorship and to stand up for the library stuff educators writers publishers and booksellers who make all this available.

[03:29:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. On the 28th, if you can do something do it. Yeah.

[03:29:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. The USA today put out an article a couple of days ago with regard to band book week and we will link to this article in the show notes.

[03:29:41] [SPEAKER_08]: They said across several polls most Americans don't agree with book banning and American Library Association survey of voters and public school parents found that 71%

[03:29:54] [SPEAKER_08]: A pose removing books from public libraries including a majority of Democrats Republicans and independence.

[03:30:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Very cool. Yeah. And 2023, a USA today investigation revealed that a site called book looks.org was the resource behind hundreds of book challenges nationwide launched in 2022 the site promotes a book rating system that right wing political activist group moms for liberty also uses.

[03:30:23] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. And so like there will be times when they will challenge a book that a library doesn't even own right but they got it off this list so they're like I want to challenge this.

[03:30:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know the exact stats on this, but there was I think it was like in the state of Florida that was like one woman got like it was a large percentage of the books banned in that state.

[03:30:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Like one fucking woman. Yeah because of this website. Yeah. Great. Bitch.

[03:30:50] [SPEAKER_08]: Mom's for liberty has been a particularly powerful crusader within the parents rights movement with a major focus on sexual content.

[03:30:59] [SPEAKER_08]: They don't like that sex stuff.

[03:31:01] [SPEAKER_02]: You know what they do. It's funny they're saying sexual content but really really they lean heavily on the LGBTQIA.

[03:31:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And you know they just basically if there is that theme in in a book, they're going to call it sex content regardless whether it actually is or not exactly.

[03:31:17] [SPEAKER_08]: So I mean the fact that one of the books that always shows up on the band books list and I can't remember what it's called but it's about two gay penguins that have a baby penguin that they kind of adopted it like based on the true story kind of thing.

[03:31:30] [SPEAKER_08]: And then you probably say that it has sexual content. Yeah. And I should be banned because it's pushing an agenda. That's like yeah, you know what it fucking is. It's pushing the agenda of love is love and get the fuck over it.

[03:31:42] [SPEAKER_08]: And this is 2024 and it's okay to be queer is any capacity.

[03:31:48] [SPEAKER_02]: But it's no more pushing an agenda than if you had a husband or wife right exactly that that is the same agenda.

[03:31:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just from a different perspective exactly. So they need to the perspectives are skewed. We aren't looking this at looking at these ideas from a secular perspective or a free thinking perspective where you can adjust your views based on reality.

[03:32:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[03:32:10] [SPEAKER_02]: We're looking at them from a religious lens and that religious lens is allowing people to say that these things are evil bad and wrong. Yeah.

[03:32:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's merely their take their opinion because of their religious upbringing and their religious indoctrination.

[03:32:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And that's bullshit.

[03:32:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. Like we're essentially allowing our public schools to be monitored by a religious cult.

[03:32:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And that that is complete crap.

[03:32:38] [SPEAKER_08]: And it's terrifying that there's a large portion of the country that is for a guy who would make that happen.

[03:32:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. You're talking about Trump on the show.

[03:32:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Okay.

[03:32:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[03:32:52] [SPEAKER_08]: So going on with this article from the USA today in Florida, recent legislation dictates that titles including sexual content, even if it is not pornographic or subject to

[03:33:04] [SPEAKER_08]: removal. This means materials like the Mary and Webster dictionary, the color purple and and Frank's diary.

[03:33:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That's not forget the Bible.

[03:33:15] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm just saying that's sorry.

[03:33:18] [SPEAKER_08]: But it but that's a good book.

[03:33:20] [SPEAKER_08]: That's got the good news.

[03:33:22] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[03:33:23] [SPEAKER_08]: They have all been pulled from shelves to review.

[03:33:26] [SPEAKER_08]: Some Shakespeare titles are at risk.

[03:33:29] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[03:33:30] [SPEAKER_07]: Wow.

[03:33:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. You've got to try hard.

[03:33:32] [SPEAKER_08]: So when they see that they are up for review, that's the challenge.

[03:33:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Challenge means that we're going to talk about it and see what the complaint is and if it's valid.

[03:33:44] [SPEAKER_08]: If we actually pull it from the shelf and no longer allow it, then that means it's banned.

[03:33:50] [SPEAKER_07]: Got it.

[03:33:50] [SPEAKER_08]: So that's the difference between challenge the band.

[03:33:52] [SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[03:33:53] [SPEAKER_08]: But these books have been pulled because they've been challenged. They just haven't necessarily been banned.

[03:33:58] [SPEAKER_08]: But they might as well be because they're not on the shelf.

[03:34:02] [SPEAKER_07]: Gotcha.

[03:34:04] [SPEAKER_08]: So under Florida legislation, teachers can be charged with a felony for possessing and distributing quote unquote

[03:34:12] [SPEAKER_08]: inappropriate books.

[03:34:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I got to tell you, if I was single, didn't have a family to worry about.

[03:34:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[03:34:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was a school librarian.

[03:34:18] [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[03:34:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You better bet your ass.

[03:34:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go to fucking jail over that.

[03:34:21] [SPEAKER_07]: Oh yeah.

[03:34:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I would fucking make a point.

[03:34:23] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not suggesting that anybody do that.

[03:34:25] [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, if you are able to.

[03:34:28] [SPEAKER_08]: And you think that this is an important cause?

[03:34:30] [SPEAKER_08]: No, yeah.

[03:34:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. I haven't quite seen it.

[03:34:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm not suggesting somebody do it just to do it.

[03:34:33] [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm just saying that to me, this is an important cause and fuck you for put me in jail.

[03:34:39] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[03:34:40] [SPEAKER_02]: This fuck you.

[03:34:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That is some bullshit.

[03:34:42] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[03:34:43] [SPEAKER_08]: And I would make sure that it got functional coverage.

[03:34:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. I'm right.

[03:34:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I've already got the book and make a movie afterward.

[03:34:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that guy for Neil on the 50 yard line, a C Seattle or a fucking way.

[03:34:54] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I was a bad man.

[03:34:56] [SPEAKER_05]: I know you were saying.

[03:34:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I apologize.

[03:34:59] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I didn't want to.

[03:35:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, yeah, no, no, no, no.

[03:35:01] [SPEAKER_08]: I can't predict.

[03:35:02] [SPEAKER_02]: No, the 50 of one of that's why I said that he's your line.

[03:35:04] [SPEAKER_08]: The football coach, the high school football, the two.

[03:35:06] [SPEAKER_02]: No or care to know his name.

[03:35:08] [SPEAKER_08]: It turns out he's not even from that state.

[03:35:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I know. He lives in Florida.

[03:35:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Mother fucker.

[03:35:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But he has a movie deal, a book deal.

[03:35:19] [SPEAKER_02]: He's making the rounds.

[03:35:20] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like making the rounds of like, you know,

[03:35:22] [SPEAKER_02]: the center of use all over the fucking place.

[03:35:24] [SPEAKER_02]: This fucker's famous for kneeling on a goddamn football field.

[03:35:29] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, just in case listeners don't know what the fuck we're talking about.

[03:35:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sorry.

[03:35:33] [SPEAKER_08]: This football coach from high school.

[03:35:38] [SPEAKER_08]: He had come from out of state, I guess,

[03:35:42] [SPEAKER_08]: to be a teacher at this school and I don't remember what state the school is at.

[03:35:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[03:35:46] [SPEAKER_02]: It was, I think it was in like Washington or we're going to.

[03:35:49] [SPEAKER_02]: It was somewhere in the north west for sure.

[03:35:54] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, in any way, he was having the football players come to a prayer at the goal post or what

[03:36:01] [SPEAKER_08]: the fuck ever I don't know if you're a line 50 or like, okay, whatever.

[03:36:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't matter.

[03:36:05] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, before and after the game.

[03:36:08] [SPEAKER_08]: And so he was fired because parents complain because excuse you what the fuck that's not okay.

[03:36:13] [SPEAKER_08]: So he sued and they found that yeah, you shouldn't fired him.

[03:36:21] [SPEAKER_08]: He has the right to do that.

[03:36:24] [SPEAKER_08]: And he was rehired never even, he went back for one game and then skied, skied Addle.

[03:36:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you forgot to mention the most important part because the Supreme Court cited with this fucker.

[03:36:37] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[03:36:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, our fucking Supreme Court,

[03:36:40] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah, cited with this fucking asshole.

[03:36:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Changing, who's just whatever?

[03:36:46] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't, I can't even stomach what is happening in the Supreme Court right now.

[03:36:50] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[03:36:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And we're doing the right country, but it's.

[03:36:52] [SPEAKER_08]: I have no business knowing anything about what's happening with the Supreme Court.

[03:36:57] [SPEAKER_08]: And it pisses me the fuck off that I have to pay attention to that boring bullshit because they are just doing such a horrible job of deciphering

[03:37:10] [SPEAKER_08]: the laws that have always been on the books or not,

[03:37:17] [SPEAKER_08]: not making the laws the way they should be.

[03:37:21] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[03:37:21] [SPEAKER_08]: It just pisses me off like I should not have to pay the fuck attention to the Supreme Court and to know the names and the histories of them.

[03:37:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Old me would never have been interested in that.

[03:37:33] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm still not interested, but I'm pissed off enough.

[03:37:36] [SPEAKER_08]: And what they're doing then I do pay attention.

[03:37:38] [SPEAKER_08]: Sure.

[03:37:39] [SPEAKER_08]: It takes up a large portion of my time knowing what them and all the fucking politicians are doing as holes and hate them all.

[03:37:45] [SPEAKER_08]: Just be boring, you guys.

[03:37:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Just do your fucking job, do it correctly.

[03:37:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Stop being assholes.

[03:37:51] [SPEAKER_08]: So throughout history books promoting atheism, secularism or scientific inquiry that challenged religious orthodoxy have been targeted,

[03:38:00] [SPEAKER_08]: often for a censorship or outright banning.

[03:38:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Specific examples of atheists or humanist texts that have faced censorship or the god delusion by Richard Dawkins.

[03:38:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Letter to a Christian nation by Sam Harris, why I am not a Christian by Bertrand Russell is a him mathematician I think.

[03:38:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know the answer to that but I don't.

[03:38:25] [SPEAKER_08]: You look at it up.

[03:38:26] [SPEAKER_08]: I'm pretty sure he's a mathematician.

[03:38:27] [SPEAKER_08]: And other works by early free thinkers like Thomas Payne of Voltaire.

[03:38:32] [SPEAKER_08]: These bands attempt to suppress dissenting viewpoints and limit access to information that challenges religious dogma, which is basically what we've been talking about this whole episode.

[03:38:43] [SPEAKER_07]: Right.

[03:38:43] [SPEAKER_08]: Band books week provides an opportunity to recognize and oppose attempts to silence atheist voices and defend the freedom to access and explore a diversity of perspectives, including those that challenge religious beliefs.

[03:38:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[03:38:59] [SPEAKER_02]: He was a mathematician along with the loss for which is how I do them but yeah, so yes he's a smarty guy.

[03:39:06] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, the suppression of atheist thought within the larger theme of band books highlights the struggle for it intellectual freedom and encompasses a wide range of perspectives including those critical of religion.

[03:39:23] [SPEAKER_08]: The writings of early free thinkers like Baruch Spinoza and Dennis did a row were often suppressed or banned due to their critiques of religion and promotion of rationalism.

[03:39:34] [SPEAKER_08]: I know Spinoza was one of the early philosophers in helping compose our like forget.

[03:39:45] [SPEAKER_08]: I forget what he did but I want to say he was like either part of the enlightenment or right after that helps in the creation of what we based our constitution on or something.

[03:39:58] [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[03:39:58] [SPEAKER_08]: He was a great writer.

[03:39:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.

[03:40:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean he influenced a lot of big thinkers from what I just did a quick search because I don't know enough about I've heard the name before but I don't know enough about them and I should because he's very influential.

[03:40:12] [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, definitely would be this is the kind of stuff that I want to get into actually like you know I mean there's that the people that are on the list of people that are influenced or people that I want to read too so I mean like.

[03:40:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely want to dig down this right over.

[03:40:25] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, he was more of a political and political philosopher.

[03:40:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. So that was where he laid another would be of course Charles Darwin's on the origin of species and other scientific texts that challenge creation is news have also faced censorship attempts from our religious groups of course because science.

[03:40:46] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you know we can't have science.

[03:40:50] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean it's it's sad but Darwin has become this it's almost it's it's not we can't view it as just science because it's such a political thing as well right it's become a catch point for politics and religion.

[03:41:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because of how controversial it is to the idea of the Christian religion in the United States right or religion in general I'm not saying just the United States but the idea that we.

[03:41:21] [SPEAKER_02]: We're not just made from fucking dirt or or you know a God book or something is just it hurts you know people that are religious feelings so I and you know they can't take it so.

[03:41:36] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a scientific book right yeah why can't we just examine it on its merits and then if you want to dismiss it find the reasons to dismiss it right.

[03:41:51] [SPEAKER_08]: That's the wonderful thing about science we have no problem being wrong.

[03:41:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man, just let's be right I want wait you know what if I'm a scientist I want to be fucking wrong prove me so wrong with your right.

[03:42:03] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, because I want to know you want to be a cog in the progression towards knowledge.

[03:42:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I want to know the right yeah so if I'm wrong please make it right yeah that's that's what that knowledge that's what knowledge is all about you want to be the most right the most you want to have the most correct answer.

[03:42:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah because that's that's it to a lot of people that's very important and to me it's very important to me as well.

[03:42:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that it is very important to be as right as possible whether we're talking about science whether we're talking about social issues whether we're talking about.

[03:42:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what do you for lunch, you know like there's right answers, you know the right answer from me one day though on lunch is not going to the same as the next day so I mean.

[03:42:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I mean there's nuance like not everything is just a simple answer and actually something that I wanted to propose that we talk about next week.

[03:42:59] [SPEAKER_08]: Is an article that I read and some comments about it that kind of discussed the.

[03:43:08] [SPEAKER_08]: The difference and the misunderstandings with regard to trans people and intersex people.

[03:43:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you actually shared that with me.

[03:43:17] [SPEAKER_08]: It was so fascinating.

[03:43:20] [SPEAKER_08]: The article itself and the comments one of the people speaking about the article and saying pointing out some of its flaws was a trans person.

[03:43:31] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and it was so interesting because a bunch of LGBT QIA very firm allies like.

[03:43:40] [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, staunch allies were arguing with the trans person's interpretation and so the discussion just really a folded from there I thought that would be a great topic.

[03:43:52] [SPEAKER_08]: Great.

[03:43:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I agree I think that that you know and we're going to we would be examining that from a perspective of we are not trans ourselves obviously.

[03:44:02] [SPEAKER_02]: But we do have a kid that that identifies the trans so that is an important aspect to our lives and I think that there.

[03:44:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Our ideas with regard to that discussion fell in line with kind of how we feel about other liberal discussions out of them better out in the world and and that's that sometimes there there are.

[03:44:24] [SPEAKER_02]: There's the most right sometimes but there's also trying to get people to even recognize that there is a right.

[03:44:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right and you have to decide who you're talking to.

[03:44:36] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and my point too was that sometimes the answer is nuanced and sometimes the answer can be two nuanced for the audience that you're speaking to which is what you were just saying.

[03:44:50] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to get into it too much further because that might be that's got that that.

[03:44:53] [SPEAKER_02]: That will definitely be more of the discussion.

[03:44:55] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but I think that would be a nice follow up from this because I have reached the end of band looks week well that's great.

[03:45:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I hopefully we never have to talk about band books ever again.

[03:45:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I know maybe this podcast will change the whole fucking world.

[03:45:12] [SPEAKER_08]: Get the fuck out of the.

[03:45:15] [SPEAKER_02]: The Santa's will lose his job you know, I mean,

[03:45:18] [SPEAKER_02]: I usually just going to happen because of this this podcast will be the most phenomenal band book podcast ever and then everything else is fix itself anyway.

[03:45:28] [SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[03:45:29] [SPEAKER_08]: I usually don't like to leave you guys with a challenge or call to action or homework, but this one time I am going to assign some homework within the next few weeks if not this week.

[03:45:48] [SPEAKER_08]: See if you can come across a list of band books and challenge yourself to read one.

[03:45:55] [SPEAKER_08]: And if you're not much of a reader, there are children's books.

[03:45:59] [SPEAKER_08]: There are children's picture books.

[03:46:01] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you know that you can just look online and they're free or you can go to your local library if you're like, you know me and pressed for money.

[03:46:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but find a band book and read it.

[03:46:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and supporting libraries just for the record is always yes.

[03:46:18] [SPEAKER_02]: The right thing to do. Oh my god.

[03:46:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Whether you utilize them enough or not, make sure you do at least support them.

[03:46:25] [SPEAKER_08]: If you walked into a library and asked a librarian, I would like to read a band book.

[03:46:30] [SPEAKER_08]: Here's what I've looked at for. Can you help me?

[03:46:32] [SPEAKER_08]: There would be tickled pink.

[03:46:33] [SPEAKER_08]: And if you told them, I just listened to a podcast that talked about what heroes librarians are.

[03:46:41] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah. You would probably bring them to tears.

[03:46:44] [SPEAKER_08]: Right. So do that.

[03:46:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I really, I do think that librarians are some of the most important front line workers with regard to our first time.

[03:46:57] [SPEAKER_05]: First time right.

[03:46:59] [SPEAKER_02]: So I do appreciate their work they do.

[03:47:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And I love recognizing that fact and these, we get the opportunity at least once a year with the band book week because what do we do tend to go over this?

[03:47:11] [SPEAKER_08]: I think yearly but band book week there's also a library day that I just celebrate myself but don't really catch it.

[03:47:19] [SPEAKER_02]: We like books.

[03:47:20] [SPEAKER_02]: We like books.

[03:47:21] [SPEAKER_02]: There you go.

[03:47:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So there's, I am actually going to send another homework assignment with you.

[03:47:25] [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, damn.

[03:47:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. So if you guys get an opportunity, I would love to hear if you have the opportunity to send us an email or some other private conversation.

[03:47:38] [SPEAKER_02]: I would love to hear how you have handled a discussion with a family member about transgender.

[03:47:44] [SPEAKER_02]: If you've had that discussion.

[03:47:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I would love to hear how that went.

[03:47:49] [SPEAKER_08]: Transgender and or intersex and or any kind of gender or sexuality.

[03:47:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Just because we're going to be talking about next week.

[03:47:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, if you've got a story to share share with us.

[03:48:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if you don't know our email address right off top of your head, it's sacrilegist discourse at gmail.com or you can go to our website sacrilegistdiscourse.com

[03:48:09] [SPEAKER_02]: And there's a contact page on there.

[03:48:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Either one will work or, you know, there's various social media places you can reach as well.

[03:48:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But long form is going to be easier to email I think.

[03:48:19] [SPEAKER_08]: So and if you have a story to share and you're willing to share it, let us know that too.

[03:48:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we would love to hear from you.

[03:48:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And I don't know that we will, you know, utilize that in our podcast.

[03:48:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But we still want to hear the stories and and we may utilize it.

[03:48:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But let us know if it's okay to.

[03:48:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. Like if you if you do send us something, let us know if it's okay to share it or not.

[03:48:40] [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.

[03:48:40] [SPEAKER_02]: If it's personal, tell us we won't share any of it.

[03:48:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But you know, if you don't mind sharing it, let us know that too.

[03:48:47] [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[03:48:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So, um, do you have anything else for us before we get out of here?

[03:48:51] [SPEAKER_08]: Read a bandbook and tell us about your discussions.

[03:48:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. Those are the things.

[03:48:55] [SPEAKER_02]: All right. Thank you guys for being patient with us over the last couple of weeks.

[03:48:59] [SPEAKER_02]: We should be back on track for the most part now.

[03:49:03] [SPEAKER_05]: So hopefully.

[03:49:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. And everything will be kind of how we discussed at the beginning of the episode and going forward.

[03:49:08] [SPEAKER_02]: That's how it'll be.

[03:49:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, guys.

[03:49:11] [SPEAKER_08]: Have a nice night. Bye.