Bible Study BY Atheists Weekly: Jeremiah Chapters 26 - 30 plus Q&A and Book Club

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[00:01:50] Husband wife. Do you remember what happened on Friday and where the hell we are today?

[00:01:55] I believe we just got done reading Jeremiah chapter 25. We did. Which means that

[00:02:01] today we're getting into Isaiah chapter 26. Not Isaiah. Shit. Hold on let's let's

[00:02:06] yeah so we're doing Jeremiah. Yeah sorry I don't know how I got back to Isaiah again.

[00:02:12] Again. That was crap. But I even said it wrong so like now I have to go back in

[00:02:18] Jeremiah chapter 25. Yeah they were passing around a cup of poison

[00:02:24] wrath juice or something like that. Oh my God. Wrath juice and

[00:02:31] like he was saying that you know everybody's gonna die except for these

[00:02:34] group of people that listen to him and go get captured and enslaved for like

[00:02:38] 70 years and then they might be okay and they can come back and live eventually

[00:02:42] and then they'll all be wonderful and good. Yes. Is that about right? That sounds

[00:02:46] about right. Because they wouldn't have drank the wrath juice. I'm still stuck on

[00:02:50] wrath juice. What kind of animal is the wrath? I don't know. You must squeeze

[00:02:59] the wrath and get the juice of the wrath and drink the wrath. Why does it gotta be an

[00:03:05] animal? It could be a fruit. It is a fruit. That makes better sense. Right yeah. Wrath fruit

[00:03:10] you know. What if you steeped it made it into tea, wrath tea? There you go. You

[00:03:16] catch from wrath tea. That's how I probably would prefer it with a bit of honey. Right

[00:03:20] yeah. Maybe I like creamer in my tea actually. That's gross. You know that's good

[00:03:26] stuff. I do not want cream in my wrath tea. Oh man it's really good. No. Anyway that

[00:03:30] was Jeremiah. Jeremiah chapter 25. It sure is black wise. Which means that today

[00:03:35] we're getting into. Not Isaiah. Jeremiah chapter 26. All right let's do this. Oh gido

[00:03:40] cookie. All right hop in into Jeremiah chapter 26. Okay. Not Isaiah. Not Isaiah. Yeah.

[00:03:57] Definitely not Isaiah. In the beginning. Wait wait we've gone through so much. We're not

[00:04:03] starting over again. Fuck this shit of the reign of walking the son of Josiah. Okay okay

[00:04:09] not the very beginning. I was going to say that that was disturbing for just a second.

[00:04:13] Yeah I know. That's why stop where it is. Yeah okay. Yeah. King of Judah you know Josiah

[00:04:18] the well came the son of Josiah king of Judah. This word that I'm about to say. Yeah

[00:04:24] came from the Lord. Say ready? Yeah. Thus says the Lord. Okay. Okay. So this sounds like

[00:04:31] more than one word. It's like the word is the message. Oh yeah. It's not the bird. The

[00:04:37] bird is not the word. Got it. Okay. Stand in the court of the Lord's house and speak to all

[00:04:43] the cities of Judah which come to worship in the Lord's house. All the words that I command you

[00:04:48] to speak to them do not diminish a word. Perhaps everyone will listen and turn from his evil way

[00:04:56] that I may relent concerning the calamity which I purpose to bring on them because of the

[00:05:02] evil of their doings is. So he's basically saying and the timeframes are still screwed up right?

[00:05:09] Yes. There's a point where we had already reached that he was like no there is no repenting.

[00:05:14] There is no going back y'all are fucked. Yes I'm glad that you said that because

[00:05:19] two things that I probably should have prefaced this chapter with but I instead just jump right

[00:05:24] in. Sure. I'm all discombobulated. Right it was probably because I said Isaiah in the intro.

[00:05:28] You fucked me all up. Yeah. So first of all in the Septuagint you know the Greek copy of this

[00:05:37] this chapter is numbered as Jeremiah 33 not 26 really yeah so it's out of order even even a 33

[00:05:46] that's even worse right because the events of this chapter take place at the beginning of the

[00:05:53] reign of Joaquim the son of Josiah King of Judah whereas the events of the previous chapter take

[00:05:58] place in the fourth year of Joaquim the son of Josiah Joaquim reigned from 609 to 598 BCE.

[00:06:07] This prophecy apparently came before that invasion when many of the leaders of Judah felt

[00:06:13] that they could still avoid the Babylonian conquest. Why does the Bible feel the need to put these

[00:06:18] things in such an order that they're I mean just they're so confusing as to not even hardly make

[00:06:24] sense because you keep bouncing back and forth between ideas that don't relate in any type of

[00:06:29] timeline or sequence you know. This is the order they were stapled together. No I get it.

[00:06:34] Keep saying that. I get it I get it. It's like have you ever been carrying a bunch of papers

[00:06:39] and then you accidentally drop them and you pick them up real quick and shuffle them

[00:06:43] and then you're not paying attention and then you forget that they got out of order and then

[00:06:48] you staple them and then you read through them later and you're like oh shit but it's too late

[00:06:52] you've got to get to the meeting or whatever. And then you pass you pass them out to everybody at

[00:06:57] the meeting and you're like by the way I'm really sorry but pages six and seven are backwards

[00:07:04] from each other just know when you get there. Sure. And so you like verbally convey yeah sorry

[00:07:09] I got this out of order but y'all are smart you could be this out and I'm telling you so you know.

[00:07:14] Right but you you would think that after thousands of years we could be like okay look guys look

[00:07:17] I know I know it's in this order but like it's wrong so we could put it in actual order.

[00:07:21] We could fix this you know yeah but that would be like that would be like making an amendment

[00:07:27] to the constitution you don't just do it right. But they used to do it all the time way back when

[00:07:33] right you know but now now we don't do it thoroughly at all. Things got stuck and then if you

[00:07:38] change it now it's like what the fuck we don't change things I guess they're stuck forever this way

[00:07:44] I guess we'll never change the constitution of the United States ever again and we'll never change

[00:07:50] the order of the Bible ever again some things are just glued the way they are because tradition

[00:07:55] or what the fuck ever if you say so I'm not I'm not saying I like it that way I'm just reporting

[00:08:02] the news to you sir that's the way it be I got it. So Jeremiah's message here in this chapter

[00:08:09] seems to be the same one he already preached in Jeremiah chapter seven right so we're reading

[00:08:13] the same message but here the emphasis is on the hostile response to his sermon at the temple

[00:08:21] so before it was more about like his perspective what was happening and like he's telling us

[00:08:29] stuff or whatever yeah and here we're going to be seeing how they responded to that but we already

[00:08:34] talked about how much he doesn't they don't like him. Yeah they don't they really don't but

[00:08:41] there's gonna be more reaction so just hang tight okay so I'm gonna get going

[00:08:50] perhaps everyone will listen and turn from his evil way that I may relent concerning the calamity

[00:08:57] which I purpose to bring on them because of the evil of their doings okay and then he tells Jeremiah

[00:09:02] and you shall say to them thus says the Lord if you will not listen to me to walk in my law which

[00:09:08] I have said before you to heed the words of my servants the prophet sizzes plural yeah yeah the

[00:09:15] prophets is whom I sent to you both rising up early and sending them but you have not heeded

[00:09:23] that's what you have not he did right yeah that's in parentheses that I will make this house like

[00:09:27] Shiloh and we'll make this city a curse to all the nations of the earth so what the fuck is Shiloh

[00:09:33] right sure okay so Shiloh the city of Shiloh was the place conquered and destroyed by the Philistines

[00:09:41] okay and we actually read about that in first Samuel and also in Psalm 78 I mean the name sound

[00:09:48] familiar but I didn't specifically remember the context I did not remember the name or the context

[00:09:53] got it I'm like I've never heard of it and that often happens to me well I mean there's we've

[00:09:58] covered a lot there's too many geographies here there there are the Philistines killed the priests

[00:10:05] and captured the ark of the covenant and Israel felt as if God's glory had departed oh okay all right

[00:10:11] I got you yeah and Shiloh was destroyed about 1050 BC by the Philistine incursion into the land

[00:10:18] blah blah blah and there is actually archaeological evidence to support this apparently

[00:10:23] sure okay Shiloh was not far from Jerusalem and the people could actually see the evidence of its

[00:10:29] construction I see I see where they were okay so that's they were using something that they

[00:10:35] could actually yeah it was exactly in their line of sight essentially yeah it was it was in

[00:10:41] their every day zeitgeist yeah right okay so yeah so he's gonna make this shit like Shiloh okay yeah

[00:10:49] so the priests and the prophets and all the people heard Jeremiah speaking these words in the house

[00:10:53] of the Lord now it happened when Jeremiah had made an end of speaking all that the Lord had commanded

[00:11:00] him to speak to all the people that the priests and the prophets and all the people seized him oh yeah

[00:11:08] that's what I'm saying wait are these the problem but he in the speech he was saying that God sent

[00:11:12] prophets plural uh-huh are those same prophets the ones seizing Jeremiah Jeremiah or not the prophets the

[00:11:21] the priests and well okay yeah some of the false prophets not the good ones okay all right there's

[00:11:27] some false prophets and priests and then just regular people in the crowd they're like get them okay

[00:11:33] we don't like you and so they were like seizing him and they said you will surely die okay that's

[00:11:40] what they're telling them yeah why have you prophesied in the name of the Lord saying this house shall

[00:11:46] be like Shiloh in this city shall be desolate without an inhabitant and all the people were gathered

[00:11:51] against Jeremiah in the house of the Lord now hold on a second Jeremiah actually prophecies towards them

[00:11:59] telling them that they surely will die if they keep going against God's word right uh-huh

[00:12:04] there he's essentially threatening them as well yeah from their standpoint they see God's message

[00:12:10] is something else right and they're saying he will surely die yeah so I don't see how this is

[00:12:15] everybody's gonna die right right right it's just different perspectives is all that's happened here

[00:12:19] and they adamantly don't like his message yeah so yeah I don't I don't understand the like

[00:12:25] it's the same thing right just to say the same thing you're supposed to be on team Jeremiah and

[00:12:32] be like oh that poor guy no I know what team I'm supposed to be on but I don't understand how

[00:12:36] these people are supposed to know which team they're supposed to be on other than Jeremiah is telling

[00:12:41] them it's my side but there's other people saying no that's incorrect it's my side right so you you

[00:12:46] can't there's no way for a general population to say which one is correct but I would wager that if

[00:12:53] the ones telling them they're gonna live and the other ones telling they're gonna die they're gonna

[00:12:56] opt for the one that says they're gonna live true and then everything's gonna be rosy and wonderful

[00:13:00] you know that sounds a lot better to me true but you know we've talked about this before though

[00:13:06] and it's a lot like um the republicans denying climate change and um in this particular case

[00:13:16] you're not on the side of choosing what's nicer rosier easier and better you're on the side of

[00:13:23] no actually calamity is coming right so you can see how I can see how that would happen yes

[00:13:30] and I can see how it plays out but again if you are on and just to take the example of today

[00:13:36] if you are on the side where you are being propagandized to to believe that climate change

[00:13:42] isn't a real thing that and and world calamity because of it is not coming that's a lot more

[00:13:47] peaceful idea than it is coming sure and it's a lot nicer to think that our actions are not

[00:13:52] causing these things I obviously I'm not saying that those are correct but again when you have

[00:13:58] two sides of any story how is the one side that's getting their information from one of those

[00:14:03] sides supposed to know that that information is incorrect and ours is correct so you're having

[00:14:09] sympathy for the people of the city and um you're having sympathy for the republicans that were

[00:14:16] just brought up that way I do have sympathy a lot of them don't choose to dig in any deeper than

[00:14:22] just what they hear right I don't have sympathy once someone decides to do the research from

[00:14:28] themselves and then decide they're still correct right I don't have sympathy for the people who

[00:14:33] are spreading the news saying that these things are not correct because they're obviously lying right

[00:14:38] I do the the people that don't know better right you know they often don't dig any deeper into it

[00:14:44] to find out that they are incorrect right and yes I do have sympathy for those okay then I was just

[00:14:50] trying to spell that out have that spelled out sure okay sure so when the princes princes

[00:14:58] princes of Judah not princesses princes got it yeah of Judah with the ding dong's the ones with the

[00:15:04] ding dong yeah when they heard these things they came up from the king's house to the house of the

[00:15:10] lord and sat down in the entry of the new gate of the lord's house and the priests and the prophets

[00:15:17] which I'm assuming they mean false prophets sure spoke to the princes and all the people saying so there's

[00:15:23] that not court here okay yeah thank this man deserves to die for he has prophesied against the city

[00:15:31] as you have heard with your ears not with your buttholes with your ears this is what you heard right with

[00:15:38] your nose yeah no no not your nose no no your ears yeah then Jeremiah spoke to all the princes and all

[00:15:45] the people saying look that's not what he said I just put that in there because it's fun to say that

[00:15:52] the lord sent me to prophecy against this house and against this city with all the words

[00:15:59] that you have heard now therefore amend your ways and your doings is and obey the voice of the

[00:16:06] lord your god then the lord will relent concerning the doom that he's pronounced against you so

[00:16:11] they're still talking about putting him to death yes they're they're holding court and asking like

[00:16:16] hey we should kill this dude and he's like no you're still all wrong yeah and you could still

[00:16:20] save yourselves he's still yes pronouncing the same things yes even at sword point which is supposed

[00:16:27] to make us feel like man this guy really fucking believe right he's brave he's brave but he was

[00:16:33] whiny about it earlier too yeah and he was complaining how he was you know always being threatened

[00:16:38] he wanted god to get after him yeah get him so yeah yeah he's a wishy washi character that I am not

[00:16:45] I still don't like him I feel like they put this in here to make him feel to sound a little stronger

[00:16:50] than he has come across the yes I agree with you yeah as for me says Jeremiah yeah here I

[00:16:57] am in your hand do with me as seems good and proper to you but know for certain that if you put

[00:17:03] me to death you will surely bring innocent blood on yourselves on this city and on its inhabitants

[00:17:10] for truly the lord has sent me to you to speak all these words in your hearing okay so he's like do

[00:17:15] what you feel is right but that doesn't change the facts and my life is in your hands yeah this

[00:17:21] is not the same Jeremiah no that we've been reading about no he was a whiny little fuck this is

[00:17:26] definitely a this is an add-on I feel like it feels that way they added they put a sticky note but

[00:17:31] they put on the wrong page right that's what happened so the princes and all the people said to the

[00:17:37] priests on the prophets oh that was so moving did you know that was that what they said no because

[00:17:43] listen okay listen I didn't realize that that was such a moving speech listen to what they're about

[00:17:47] to say ready listen oh this man does not deserve to die for he has spoken to us in the name of

[00:17:52] the Lord our God wait what he said that all throughout the speech but not a sword point okay this

[00:18:00] is this is bullshit this is utter crap what's the matter you don't like it no this is not how

[00:18:07] this conversation went I can tell this this is not how these things happen no this is not correct

[00:18:12] this is a lifetime movie yeah where you're speaking before a crowd and suddenly the crowd is swayed

[00:18:17] by your magical words right right because the pen is minor than the sword and shit like that well

[00:18:23] again they're making him seem so much braver than he has come across up till now right this just

[00:18:28] doesn't none of this messes up with me no mean either then certain of the elders in the land

[00:18:35] of the land not in the land of the land rose up and spoke to all the assembly of the people saying

[00:18:40] you know mica of more shathed prophesied in the days of hezekiah king of juda and spoke to all

[00:18:47] the people of juda saying thus says the lord of hosts Zion shall be plowed like a field Jerusalem

[00:18:52] shall become heaps of ruins and the mountain of the temple like the bare hills of the forest

[00:18:57] and did hezekiah king of judah and all judah ever put him to death did he not fear the Lord and

[00:19:03] seek the Lord's favor and the Lord was lented concerning the doom which he had pronounced against them

[00:19:09] but we are doing great evil against ourselves now let's let's just stop it right there because

[00:19:13] I was going to stop right there anyway okay but there is uh there is something that says

[00:19:18] that if you do false prophecy you should be put to death and that's one of God's laws yeah right

[00:19:23] yeah so again there were probably people in that time that were quote unquote giving false prophecies

[00:19:29] uh-huh that did get put to death and and how are you supposed I still don't understand how

[00:19:34] you're supposed to determine which one is correct which one's not because prophecies are

[00:19:38] something that happened in the future right so the way that you're supposed to know the difference

[00:19:44] is that any of them that follow the Torah the law that's the true ones so you're supposed to

[00:19:51] deem it deem the truth by their actions that they follow in life like if they follow the the letter

[00:19:57] of the law and the Torah uh-huh that person is obviously speaking truth because they are

[00:20:02] walking with God yes okay yes to an extent I can I can sort of understand that message but

[00:20:13] there's a lot of people that would I still don't see how you can judge it because of there's

[00:20:17] even if someone's not they can claim that they are right so like there's no you you don't have

[00:20:21] somebody spying on these people full-time to understand that this person is following in the way

[00:20:26] this person is not etc so there is still no real legitimate way to understand who is true and who

[00:20:32] is not and that's even after we account for the fact that God isn't real and we're just basing

[00:20:37] this off of some bullshit to begin with so another way though is that God has definitely spoken out

[00:20:44] against false idols right and against pagan actions and christmas trees right but you're talking

[00:20:49] to a bunch of people who don't have the ability to read and they're basing their opinions on what

[00:20:54] somebody else that can read is telling them so to say that yes God has said that that's great

[00:21:00] but where has God said that to them other than through these prophets other than through these people

[00:21:05] who are talking to them about this shit how do they know these things right like if they're going

[00:21:10] to church every Sunday and their priest is like not don't believe those prophets as a bunch of

[00:21:15] bullshit it doesn't say that in there right yeah that's true that there's still no way for them to

[00:21:20] know right especially in a very literate world which is what you know BCE would be very

[00:21:27] not literate you know there's there's a lot of people that are not going to be able to read

[00:21:31] that's a very high status place to be in life is someone who can read and understand so I call

[00:21:39] bullshit I also am calling bullshit was that the was at the end no that was not the end okay okay

[00:21:44] I'm telling you a thing but I was waiting for you to calm down sorry I apologize you were very

[00:21:49] for being so adamant about that yeah you were kind of worked up I was a little bit so the

[00:21:53] prophecy of mica is one that we're going to read about okay the whole book called mica okay yeah

[00:21:59] and that's coming up got it but so they cross reference to another they cross reference wow

[00:22:04] we just talked about that you literally just mentioned that yeah yeah yeah so this whole conversation

[00:22:11] and mica's deal that they're talking about yeah we're going to read about that interesting right

[00:22:17] all right I appreciate that yeah me too let's see prophecy against the city okay blah blah blah and

[00:22:25] um try to find my place sorry oh here we go so we're doing great evil against ourselves yeah now

[00:22:32] there was also a man who prophesied in the name of the Lord your raya the son of Shamaya

[00:22:39] of kershoth jiram who prophesied against this city and against this land according to all the words

[00:22:46] of jiramaya so there's another prophet we're going to talk about okay okay yeah and when

[00:22:51] waqim the king and all his mighty men and all the princes heard his words the king sought to put him

[00:22:58] to death but when your raya heard it he was afraid and fled and went to Egypt so this other

[00:23:04] prophet he was like oh they are coming to get me I'm leaving by yeh okay okay so this other

[00:23:09] prophet that they're using as an example that guy was he was also saying some similar shit and we

[00:23:16] chased him out right down he went to Egypt yeah but waqim the king sent men to Egypt

[00:23:25] and el nathan the son of akbore and other men who went with him to Egypt they brought your raya from

[00:23:34] Egypt and brought him to waqim the king who killed him with the sword and cast his dead body

[00:23:40] into the graves of the common people oh damn so he got killed and also I read in notes that it was

[00:23:47] part of the treaty that they had with Egypt that there were extradition laws oh okay so that's

[00:23:54] how they were able to bring him back out of Egypt gotcha and so they brought him home and were like

[00:24:00] you're not going to talk this shit right they killed him wow so these messages were not very

[00:24:05] popular they were not and Jeremiah knows this and so he's saying it anyway yeah so again we're

[00:24:11] supposed to find him very brave i think to some extent that could maybe be said to be true but he

[00:24:16] also in other chapters they've kind of referred to him as being sequestered away from other people

[00:24:22] sending messages via messengers and yeah and and talking to the Lord is though he's scared so it

[00:24:29] doesn't mess up exactly the way but that chapter portrays it i think that's another thing though is

[00:24:35] that um he started out delivering messages and you know not like like you said sequestered from

[00:24:43] the people but now the Lord is like okay now's the next step you need to actually go talk to

[00:24:48] the people except that this was prior to like this is we're going backward in time though

[00:24:54] it's true so the time lines don't mash up mash up with the way i don't know what order all of it

[00:24:59] happened sure so i'm trying to place this in the order that all of this happened sure he might have

[00:25:05] been whiny and been saying but i don't want to go talk to the people right and then you know then he

[00:25:11] does go and he's like okay i'm going to talk to the people sure he's like fuck me my life is in

[00:25:17] your hands and whatever i guess yeah so i don't know anyway this your your eye whatever guy

[00:25:24] yeah that was like a hundred years ago before this but they still remember that shit got it okay yeah

[00:25:29] so nevertheless the hand of a he come at i can't say these names i apologize i'm really

[00:25:36] fucking them up the son of chiffon was with Jeremiah so this i he come guy yeah he's like one

[00:25:44] of his advocates okay so he had some persuasion he had some influence that's the way i was looking

[00:25:54] for thank you and he was with Jeremiah so that they should not give him into the hand of the people

[00:26:01] to put him to death got it the end okay so they're gonna they're gonna make it another day

[00:26:08] got it okay well i yeah i guess they're still going to die but now

[00:26:12] Jeremiah sounds a lot more powerful and and brave that he ever did yeah i like how these people the

[00:26:19] characters in this book they they change depending on what we need them to be it's true sometimes

[00:26:25] they're frayedy cats and we're like yeah i don't fucking blame him right and then other times they're

[00:26:30] brave and we're supposed to be like oh that's so brave i'm just gonna forget about all that other

[00:26:35] shit from before right until we need them to be like us again and then we're like right right

[00:26:40] from playing that is scary it's true yep well that was Jeremiah chapter 26 sure as fuck was

[00:26:47] which means that tomorrow we'll be back with Jeremiah chapter 27 all right we'll see you then

[00:26:53] bye

[00:26:59] husband wife do you remember what happened yesterday and where the hell we are today

[00:27:03] well we just got done reading Jeremiah chapter 26 that is correct and in that chapter they made

[00:27:10] Jeremiah sound really fucking brave when i thought he was just kind of fucking whiny in the past

[00:27:15] mm-hmm because he got up in front of a bunch of people and he was like you're all going to burn

[00:27:20] and god's gonna kill you unless you repent and then they were like fuck you dude and they like

[00:27:25] pull them down and they're like uh we're gonna like not take that and you're in trouble and you might

[00:27:30] die and then they talked over and they were like well but god so i guess you're okay and then

[00:27:37] it wasn't just people that he was talking no it was like priests and and you know like the leaders

[00:27:42] of the you know Bruce Williams whatever the fuck it is yeah but yeah they all decided that I guess

[00:27:47] he's okay and they started i mean okay being they aren't gonna kill him i guess right but they made

[00:27:53] Jeremiah sound really fucking brave doing this my life is in your hands but that changes nothing right

[00:27:59] and this is not the Jeremiah i know uh-uh me neither right sure i don't know whatever but it is

[00:28:05] the people that i know because they are very timid at following through with um going up against god

[00:28:15] you know what i mean sure like yeah they don't like why they worship like five million gods are like

[00:28:19] yeah well we'll just head our bets over here right and then they were like remember

[00:28:24] mica and remember you're you're whatever that other guy you're in yeah and they were like maybe

[00:28:32] i don't know let's just err on the side of caution and let them go right right yeah so that was

[00:28:37] basically Jeremiah 26 it was which means that today we're getting into Jeremiah chapter 27 all right

[00:28:44] let's do this okie dokie all right we are jumping into Jeremiah chapter 27 are you ready for

[00:29:00] this chef i am ready okay in the beginning not like every fucking chapter we're gonna do in the

[00:29:07] beginning of the reign of walk him uh okay the son of Josiah king of Judah this word came to

[00:29:15] Jeremiah from the Lord saying okay i'm ready okay i'm God talking to Jeremiah right now

[00:29:21] according to Jeremiah right yeah thus says the Lord to me make for yourselves bonds and yokes

[00:29:29] and put them on on your neck and send them to the king of Edom the king of Moab the king of the

[00:29:35] Ammonites the king of tier and the king of side on by the hand of the messengers who come to

[00:29:41] Jerusalem to Zedekaya king of Judah here go and slave yourselves it's fun exactly exactly so do

[00:29:49] you know what bonds and yokes are i yeah yokes are the things that you put over your head aren't they

[00:29:56] like they look like i don't know like you put um two boards and leather straps that hold the

[00:30:02] boards together sure over um like an oxen's right that's what i was in the middle of it yeah yeah right

[00:30:09] and so the boards are the yoke or the whole device together as the yoke and then the bands are

[00:30:15] the bonds got it okay so yeah he's like maybe know the exact terminology about which pieces were

[00:30:21] which but yes i was imagining the thing that goes over the animals heads for you know yeah he's

[00:30:27] he's doing that thing yeah yeah or it's also the same thing you see in like old movies where they're

[00:30:32] like slave driving people on a lion of chains and yokes basically like you know the same like

[00:30:37] you've got those things over their head that's true yeah so um i i found a few things about that

[00:30:44] if if you would like or we can wait till saturday whichever you prefer um sure go ahead okay so

[00:30:50] um forcing another to wear the yoke says i am the boss you work for me i regard you as a burst

[00:30:57] of a beast of burden obviously a burst of beaten yes and um there are notes that say that Jeremiah

[00:31:06] Jeremiah likely spoke to a gathering of messengers from the kings surrounding the kingdom so like

[00:31:13] when he called out eedon moab emanates here inside on talking specifically to the kings

[00:31:19] to the messengers from yes got it okay and they had probably come to meet with kings at a kaya of

[00:31:27] juda to plot a revolt against nebuchadnezzar's rule over them and Jeremiah probably spoke before

[00:31:34] them actually wearing the bonds and yokes giving them a vivid message to take back to their kings

[00:31:42] and um the reason that they were there trying to you know come up with some plot to work against

[00:31:49] nebuchadnezzar was because attacks from elam and a revolt in syria made these troubled times for

[00:31:57] nebuchadnezzar and small states in the west thought they saw an opportunity to revolt and throw off

[00:32:04] quote the yoke of babelon got it got it yeah so i thought that was interesting right right like

[00:32:11] they're they're thinking hey let's you know plan with the king here and see if we can come up with a

[00:32:16] i'm imagining Jeremiah though as like the crazy person outside of the king's gates just going like

[00:32:21] no you're all going to go to hell and you're gonna get enslaved and and see what's going to happen

[00:32:28] to you unless you were pints they're like just looking at each other like is this how it be here

[00:32:33] the pendulons are nigh and then yeah and then zeta kaya comes out he's like no no just ignore them

[00:32:39] right yeah whatever sorry sorry i can't do anything his parents are rich i don't know man just

[00:32:44] just go on by him so did you know i was not aware but on sunday well i did know that sunday night

[00:32:51] was the Oscars yeah and did you know that they ran about five to ten minutes late because of protesters

[00:32:58] that were saying while you're watching this show of opulence and ridiculousness um bombs are being

[00:33:06] dropped in um palestine in palestine right yeah and so they were they're um trying to stop

[00:33:15] basically the Oscars or at least make it difficult to get into right in order to make a point

[00:33:23] and to make you know yeah the way they do right and um so a bunch of celebrities and their gowns and

[00:33:31] fancy suits and whatever yeah had to walk around to a different side door whatever to get into the

[00:33:37] actual red carpet area so it did actually slow down yeah yeah and um there were people

[00:33:45] in the ceremony itself wearing giant uh red pins red dot pins that were um supposed to indicate

[00:33:54] ceasefire now so i thought that was really cool yeah but the relevance here you're looking at me like

[00:34:00] i'm a nutball wise yeah i'm trying to i don't know what the relevance is people standing outside of a place

[00:34:07] protesting in the case of the Oscars it was for a good cause in the case of Jeremiah i don't even know

[00:34:15] what to say about that dude got it i just i didn't know where you're going with that i just

[00:34:19] protesters no i get it now i get it now yeah protest i didn't understand at the time what you were

[00:34:24] getting at i know it's just your face was like because i was confused i was confused i was confusing

[00:34:29] they're all protesting their protesters are protesting yeah okay so anyway and command them

[00:34:36] god's still talking okay yeah after all of that shit that i just said right is still talking okay

[00:34:42] blah blah um put on these yokes and take them back to your kingsist right and command them to say

[00:34:47] to their masters thus says the lord of hosts the god of Israel thus you shall say to your masters

[00:34:55] i have made the earth the man and the beast that are on the ground by my great power and by my

[00:35:01] outstretched arm and have given it to whom it seemed proper to me but let me ask you this okay yeah so

[00:35:10] somebody from another country comes to you and then this guy is like yelling in their face like

[00:35:17] my god made you my god made man i'm gonna think the dude's crazy right like um okay that's not like

[00:35:24] what we believe what thank you right and i went there to talk to a fucking king not a

[00:35:28] i'm not gonna come back and be like oh and by the way there was this guy talking about god

[00:35:32] right not our god but some god some various gods outside of the gates of the local king pray

[00:35:38] so yeah if you want to take his warning he said that god his god said this so there you go

[00:35:44] exactly i it probably didn't even warrant a mention you know to the people that if it did

[00:35:50] from the messengers if it did it was surely with derision sure yeah you know okay and now

[00:35:57] god continues i have given all these lands into the hand of nebuchadnezzar the king of bablon

[00:36:03] my servant hmm okay i mean i would be like if i'm from another place right and Jeremiah tells me

[00:36:10] this i'd be like wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute um nebuchadnezzar is the servant of your

[00:36:17] god right i don't understand what's happening against this guy yeah i don't want anything to do

[00:36:22] with if your god is siding with nebuchadnezzar and that's what we're saying here then then

[00:36:27] fuck off right your god can fuck off wait what what are you saying i don't understand you right and

[00:36:33] he doesn't have us yet that's why we're here meeting trying to figure out how to not be exactly exactly

[00:36:39] okay god continues talking yeah and the beast of the field i have also given to him to serve

[00:36:45] so all nations shall serve him and his son and his son son until the time of his land comes

[00:36:52] and then many nations and great kings shall make him serve them and it shall be that the nation

[00:36:57] and kingdom which will not serve nebuchadnezzar the king of bablon and which will not put its neck

[00:37:03] under the yoke of the king of bablon that nation i will punish says the lord hold on hey but we've

[00:37:12] had another part in this book where it said that it was going to be seventy years and he just got

[00:37:16] done so god let us not forget these chapters are out of order but regardless right so he's saying

[00:37:22] that nebuchadnezzar's son and then his son and then his son son are gonna rule before he punishes

[00:37:30] the next whatever right so we're talking about three and a half generations let's just assume

[00:37:36] nebuchadnezzar's halfway through his reign right yeah three and a half fucking generations of people

[00:37:40] let's assume they all reign for 20 years right you're you i mean i guess okay if they each

[00:37:46] reign for 20 years and he's halfway through his reign maybe maybe that is right at 70 i guess

[00:37:51] that could work out but it just doesn't seem quite right yeah we're talking about three and a half

[00:37:56] generations of people and he's gonna make that 70 years when some people reign for like 40 years

[00:38:02] and you know like and then there's the ones that only do three months but right so i guess

[00:38:07] but you're assuming that they each have sons so we have to grow up old enough to rule at some point

[00:38:12] and i don't know one of the dudes started ruling at the age of like 12 or whatever okay okay okay

[00:38:17] i mean who are you to criticize no you're right i don't i don't know how to all pan out and you

[00:38:21] know whatever it just doesn't it doesn't sound right doesn't sound right that's right you know

[00:38:26] having said that the chapters are out of order yeah or yeah the chapters um i should have actually

[00:38:32] started with it's okay if i'm out of the order the bible's out of order right right um i should

[00:38:37] have actually started with the material found in Jeremiah 27 is actually Jeremiah 34 in the septuogen

[00:38:45] oh Jesus is yeah which is the Greek version i can't i know i know like i don't understand what

[00:38:52] you're telling me right yeah and it is the septuogen the correct and which case let's say you know

[00:38:57] this book that's out of order yeah it's even more fucked up in other places yeah okay

[00:39:02] great thank you for that information i don't know what to do with it also it has been suggested

[00:39:08] that chapters 27 28 and 29 uh-huh are a special collection of Jeremiah's prophecies dealing with

[00:39:15] false prophets and that certain stylistic peculiarities in the Hebrew make it likely that these

[00:39:23] three chapters once existed as an independent work oh yeah interesting so that is that is kind

[00:39:31] of correct okay so apologies i should have led with that but the bible gets to be out of sorts

[00:39:37] so why can't i if god can't get it straight right certainly cannot expect how can we expect

[00:39:43] to be better than the god pagan season to get it straight right okay so okay therefore do not

[00:39:50] listen to okay wait with this oh um he says um blah blah blah under the yoke of the king of Babylon

[00:39:59] that nation i will punish and then he continues with the sword the famine and the pestilence

[00:40:06] until i have consumed them by his hand okay okay therefore his hand being god's hand or

[00:40:12] either god or Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar whatever all right doesn't matter i'm having there's a lot of

[00:40:17] pronouns here i'm having trouble following it is pronoun abuse yeah it is yeah it's either i think

[00:40:23] it's god but even if it's not specifically god it'll be nebuchadnezzar but still god okay right

[00:40:32] maybe maybe therefore do not listen to your prophets your diviners your dreamers your

[00:40:38] susairs your sorcerers who speak to you saying you shall not serve the king of Babylon for they

[00:40:43] prophecy i lied to you to remove you far from your land and i will drive you out and you will

[00:40:50] fucking perish says yet another prophet to them i know right i'm just saying so i have a note about all

[00:40:57] those people that he mentioned okay diviners were people who um gave prognostications and they guessed

[00:41:07] at future stuff happening by certain signs in the animate or inanimate things around them okay

[00:41:15] so like the tea leaves or homes or what the fuck ever they would just like look around and be like

[00:41:21] it's a sign so they were diviners dreamers were dream interpreters okay so they would take up

[00:41:29] the broken bits and pieces of dreams to try to put together a meaning yeah of their own interpretation

[00:41:36] and to be fair all these things have kind of been used throughout the bible as ways to

[00:41:41] prophesize for things that god is saying yes so i mean i don't want to discount as far as the bible

[00:41:47] is concerned yeah i wouldn't want to discount their legitimacy in canon in canon right versus some

[00:41:55] other prophet because similar it's fine it has been used it's fine when it's y'all ways people

[00:42:00] right yeah whatever a suit sayer is a cloud monger okay okay they study the flight color density

[00:42:09] rarity and shape of clouds that's what a suit sayer does got it i thought a suit sayer was a truth

[00:42:15] teller but i guess it's a truth teller but based on the clouds i see i didn't know that

[00:42:22] and a sorcerer and all of this is from they get the pure magic fireballs right i wish right they are

[00:42:30] the discoverers the finders out of hidden things stolen goods etc they are people who use

[00:42:38] incantations and either by spells or drugs pretend to find out mysteries or produce supernatural

[00:42:47] effects hmm yeah i'm yeah okay okay it's like it's like they're saying these magical people aren't

[00:42:58] magical i mean sometimes they do magic things but the magic that they do is not to be trusted

[00:43:04] and usually it's fake anyway you know that would be a really good way to say that you are a sorcerer

[00:43:08] is to drug your your crowd if you drug your crowd yeah then he did some crazy shit they'd be like

[00:43:14] damn man yeah he's really doing some crazy stuff yeah he must be a sorcerer you're so diviner

[00:43:23] what no yeah okay so but the nations that bring their next under the yoke of the king of Babylon and

[00:43:31] serve him i will let them remain in their own land says the lord and they shall till it and dwell in

[00:43:37] it so he's again like last time he was telling the people just wave your white flag and yeah you know

[00:43:44] bow down and give up and you'll get to survive right but he's even saying that they can stay in

[00:43:49] their own land well he's saying this to the leaders now right tell your kings if y'all just

[00:43:56] give in to Babylon i'll let you live but and and stay in your own land which you'll be a slave on

[00:44:02] your own land okay okay all right all right but you still get to live there okay got it you don't

[00:44:08] get to live in the castle of your own land anymore right you'll be out there more and working

[00:44:13] working stuff and yeah doing things yeah okay i also i think we are back at Jeremiah speaking

[00:44:20] okay because there was a bunch of end quote marks um quotes within quotes within quotes like

[00:44:25] there's three sets of close quotes that's not at all confusing at all yeah okay so i think we're

[00:44:32] back to Jeremiah speaking okay i also spoke to Zedekaya king of Judah according to all these words

[00:44:40] saying bring your next under the yoke of the king of Babylon and serve him and his people and live

[00:44:46] why will you die you and your people by the sword by the famine and by the pestilence as the lord

[00:44:52] has spoken against the nation that will not serve the king of Babylon therefore do not listen to

[00:44:58] the words of the prophets who speak to you saying you shall not serve the king of Babylon for they

[00:45:04] prophecy a lie to you for i have sent them says the lord yet they prophecy a lie in my name oh so

[00:45:13] he did send them so those are his no i'm so sorry i misread that okay i apologize and i'm glad

[00:45:18] you caught that it says for i have not sent them okay i was like what okay i apologize no that would

[00:45:24] make them outright liars yeah no i was like damn that's uh no you're right you're right i apologize

[00:45:29] now that one's on me that was on me oh no for i have not sent them says the lord okay yet they

[00:45:36] prophecy a lie in my name that i may drive you out and that you may perish you and the prophets

[00:45:42] who prophecy to you again i want to point out that Jeremiah is the one saying this yeah

[00:45:47] god is saying this to apparently only Jeremiah and a few other prophets around and about sure

[00:45:53] sure but it's a select group of people that he's saying yeah you still have to distinct you still

[00:46:00] to determine that you want to believe this group versus that group yes so i just want i want that

[00:46:04] to be something that just keeps being stated because which prophet do you believe don't

[00:46:10] be like it's that easy to distinguish who's telling the truth because they're all ridiculous

[00:46:15] statements of gods or things are causing these things to happen with it's not ridiculous to begin with

[00:46:23] and it's not like they could just google it right yeah and you know and they can't talk to god directly

[00:46:28] right so i mean like that that whole bit's out you can't do that and they couldn't watch documentaries

[00:46:33] on Netflix i mean these people they couldn't even fucking read most of them so like how the fuck are

[00:46:39] they supposed to know what's going on and and they're like either way i got a moment long right

[00:46:44] yeah so the fuck it matters who's in charge yeah yeah like i just keep coming back to that like do

[00:46:49] you really think that the average person gave any fucks who was in charge well i mean obviously

[00:46:55] i would say that most people would want their lives to not be an upheaval well yeah but as long as

[00:47:02] they were able to take care of each other and eat and have clothes on their back the evil you don't

[00:47:10] know is always worse than the evil you do know right yeah like and somebody promising you things will

[00:47:16] be better if you just do this right right that's not always a good sell right yeah yeah also he goes on

[00:47:25] okay i spoke to the priest and to all these people saying thus says the lord do not listen to the words

[00:47:31] of your prophets who prophecy to you saying behold the vessels of the lord's house will now shortly be

[00:47:37] brought back from Babylon for they prophecy a lie to you do not listen to them serve the king of

[00:47:44] Babylon and live why should this city be laid waste cool i mean i don't know why should this city be

[00:47:52] laid waste god yeah god why i mean it's true you you have like infinite power right and yet you're

[00:48:00] you're literally telling your people to just go be enslaved yeah i don't get this i don't even understand

[00:48:07] it is punishment but we have had so much punishment throughout the bible that it feels like he punishes

[00:48:13] more than he praises yeah like he does not give a fuck he's just like y'all are y'all suck

[00:48:18] i feel like killing somebody today yeah who wants to die yeah okay i mean they say i've heard

[00:48:25] you know people talk about the angry old testament god but i had no idea yeah that it was this bad

[00:48:30] like just always and constantly he is such a pissy little brunt again in can i'm assuming god

[00:48:36] right assuming god right yeah like it's just a shitty run of behavior from this dude

[00:48:42] and how he treats his people like it's unbelievable but if they are prophets and if the word of the

[00:48:48] lord is with them let them now make intercession to the lord of hosts that the vessels which are left

[00:48:55] in the house of the lord and the house of the king of juda and at Jerusalem do not go to Babylon

[00:49:01] so he's basically like let's test your gods then like when nebuchadnezzar came before and took

[00:49:08] the majority of the things yeah but he left some right um like he's like remember all that remember

[00:49:15] how there's only a few things left yeah so okay pretty your gods that they don't get picked up

[00:49:20] and stolen and taken off like test your god i kind of feel like this group of prophets that is

[00:49:26] right now being embodied by Jeremiah mm-hmm might have been in cahoots with nebuchadnezzar right

[00:49:33] like you know like he's he's definitely propagandizing sure you know just capitulating to the

[00:49:39] captains right he's like just give in just yeah yeah and do what he says and it'll be easy if you

[00:49:45] were a king wanting to conquer a land wouldn't it behoove you to have an inside group of people

[00:49:51] that were pitching this point of view sure cahoots people to be easier to easier to conquer yeah yeah

[00:49:58] yeah like i would much rather just walk in and lay chains on them then lose my own people in fighting

[00:50:07] a bloody war right especially when think about this too these are choice lands right like i don't

[00:50:14] want to ruin all those buildings and all the the you know farmland or whatever the agriculture like

[00:50:20] there this is some decent land that's why these people settled here right so it would be so much

[00:50:27] nicer if they would just you know lay down and let me enslave them and look at it this way too if

[00:50:31] you are Jeremiah right and you can understand that the outcome of this scenario is probably going to be

[00:50:38] nebuchadnezzar is going to do these things and he knows because he's in cahoots right yeah so if he

[00:50:43] knows these things he can be a prophet easier which then secures his place in history and the religion

[00:50:49] and all these things yeah because he is able to actually prophesize the correct information

[00:50:54] which then makes him eventually right it's true like there's so much here that could be

[00:51:01] I think no i'm just i'm just making wild assumptions here about like what could have possibly been

[00:51:08] i think that should be a movie though would that not be an amazing movie yeah nebuchadnezzar

[00:51:15] putting people like Jeremiah in place to push an agenda onto the people of Jerusalem

[00:51:23] to lay down their arms but we're talking you know when we're talking about a much simpler time right yeah

[00:51:27] it would have been so easy to have if you had any brains about you as a person that was going to

[00:51:32] invade this would be such an easy right way to manipulate that group of people that you're trying to

[00:51:38] attack sure and and i i don't see it as far fetched i don't even consider now i'm just

[00:51:44] the astic Jeremiah right right and that's the only reason it comes to mind really is because the way

[00:51:48] he's talking about how easily he wants to just hand his own people over to be slaves to nebuchadnezzar

[00:51:56] what the fuck man fight fight always fight and land fight to the end fight whatever yeah i mean i just

[00:52:05] that makes more sense to me than god no that's all that that makes way more sense to me than you know

[00:52:10] politics always makes more sense than religion honestly yeah like political intrigue

[00:52:15] well and we've talked about this in the past and other things but the person who wins the

[00:52:20] person who ends up being correct gets to write the history right so if Jeremiah is correct he gets

[00:52:24] to write the history that is believed yeah so he gets to write this from his point of view yeah or

[00:52:29] or or whatever the people that supported him get to write this from his point of view yeah and therefore

[00:52:33] we only get the Jeremiah side of this we don't get to see how everything else panned out because

[00:52:39] they don't no one that didn't make it through that didn't that didn't come through so we get to

[00:52:44] hear this very one side of the fair of what is Jeremiah's take on yeah and that group of people's take

[00:52:50] on this over this this invasion from Babylon not only that but here's another thing um he might not

[00:52:57] even have been hired by or chosen by nebuchadnezzar he might have just been trying to ingratiate him

[00:53:04] knowing that nebuchadnezzar was coming like let me get in good graces with this guy that's coming

[00:53:09] definitely i'm gonna be uh profit for him yeah so who knows right maybe he was just like

[00:53:17] fuck these people yeah it might not even been like a co-opting thing it could have been just him

[00:53:22] yeah wanting to push himself forward in this new thing that he thinks is going to happen

[00:53:26] i mean a piece is the inevitable how many times have we seen like movies about people that will sell

[00:53:34] their entire culture or their entire civilization their entire country like they get a better

[00:53:40] slightly better position in the the world to come exactly exactly yeah yeah i mean every alien movie

[00:53:48] every like i can't even say like every um political movie where the country one country is

[00:53:56] taken over another there's always a traitor yeah yeah who sells out his own people and this is what

[00:54:01] i'd be more inclined to think about Jeremiah than than the whole god shit thing that we're going

[00:54:05] through here yeah it's true but and sorry i just had to get that point of view in because that's

[00:54:10] it's been nagging at me for multiple chapters now and i get so caught up in reading it and trying

[00:54:17] to make it make sense and i get mad because it's all got got got got got that i forget to like

[00:54:22] think of alternate perspectives so i'm really glad that you said that because i wouldn't have thought of

[00:54:26] it and that makes so much more sense right right yeah i want to read again i don't want to stay

[00:54:31] excited like i'm not basing that on any anything other than my own hypotheses about how this sounds

[00:54:37] to me right i want to read that story i want to see that Netflix mini series i want to watch that movie

[00:54:44] do you think how much biblical fiction you could write if you took all these stories and like

[00:54:48] there's a lot of good like if you if you turned it into like let's just take it away from the bible

[00:54:52] but turn it into a story of just politics and geography yeah yeah you could make some really

[00:54:58] interesting stuff you could yeah for thus says the lord of hosts concerning the pillars concerning

[00:55:05] the sea you know the capital s c the bathroom yeah yeah concerning the carts concerning the remainder

[00:55:11] of the vessels that remain in this city which nebukhidnezzar king of Babylon did not take when he carried

[00:55:17] away captive jacqueniah the son of hwakim king of juda from Jerusalem to Babylon and all the nobles

[00:55:25] of juda and Jerusalem when he took all that shit yeah and all those guys right yes thus says the lord

[00:55:32] of hosts the god of Israel concerning the vessels that remain in the house of the lord and in the house

[00:55:38] of the king of juda and Jerusalem they shall be carried to Babylon and there shall be

[00:55:46] a there they shall be until the day that i visit them says the lord then i will bring them up

[00:55:52] and restore them to this place so he's like here's a test if you believe your gods so much about how

[00:56:00] no no nebukhidnezzar is not going to get us then have your gods stop these last few vessels from

[00:56:06] getting stolen right and see how that goes for you right but it feels again it feels very inevitable

[00:56:14] that these things are going to happen well yeah they were meeting they were getting together as multiple

[00:56:20] countries multiple groups of people to try to figure out a way to fight against nebukhidnezzar which

[00:56:24] means he was definitely knocking at the door oh yeah for sure for sure regardless of whether what

[00:56:31] Jeremiah's intentions were i don't feel like any of this is hard to actually predict that it would

[00:56:36] know no no no it seems like it's just something that's definitely going to happen and would happen

[00:56:42] regardless of the scenario that actually goes on so definitely anyway anyway um that the end

[00:56:48] of the chapter that is the end of the chapter all right so that was Jeremiah chapter 27 sure

[00:56:54] as fuck was which means that we'll be back tomorrow with Jeremiah chapter 28 all right we'll see

[00:57:00] you then bye

[00:57:07] husband wife do you remember where the hell we are and how the hell we got here well we just got

[00:57:13] done reading Jeremiah chapter 27 we did and what i recall from that is that Jeremiah was standing out

[00:57:21] in front of the castle maybe and he was he was talking to the messengers of other kings and being like

[00:57:27] hey y'all might want to change your ways or gods gonna you know send getcha Babylon's gonna get

[00:57:33] ya hey fuckers somebody's gonna get ya since this message back go go come in yeah still right some

[00:57:41] more and and the chapters are out of order they were so out of order yeah like we we were I don't

[00:57:47] even know what the fuck's going on anymore because we were back before when they still had a chance to

[00:57:52] redeem themselves apparently yeah and then we had already read up it where they're like nope

[00:57:57] is done yeah it's over 70 years that's all you're cooked yeah so I don't know what fuck's going on

[00:58:02] there's there is no rhyme or reason to what we're reading about right now nope so that was Jeremiah

[00:58:07] chapter 27 sure is fuck was and today we're getting into Jeremiah chapter 28 all right let's do this

[00:58:15] okay

[00:58:25] all right here we are on our live discord that is sad that if you're listening to this in the

[00:58:32] recording you probably missed our live discord on Tuesdays at 10 and you should be there because

[00:58:38] so much fun and right now we are hopping into Jeremiah chapter 28 yeah you should totally join us

[00:58:45] they'll be a link in the show nudge for the discord channel yeah and everybody teases me and calls

[00:58:50] me trashy it makes fun of me yeah it's good time yeah okay and it happened in the same year

[00:58:59] the same year the same year that very same year okay at the beginning of the reign of Zedekaya

[00:59:05] king of Judah back and forth and back and forth what year are we in now I think we were talking

[00:59:10] about Zedekaya in the last one somehow I don't remember because the beginning right yeah yeah

[00:59:15] or the middle I don't know you remember anyway whatever year that was at the beginning yeah

[00:59:22] in the fourth year and in the fifth month that Hannah Naya or Hannah Montana no Hannah

[00:59:28] Naya yeah the son of azir the prophet you know that guy no I don't who is from Ghibin you know

[00:59:35] that place I don't he spoke to me in the house of the Lord I guess me as Jeremiah right so at least

[00:59:41] we know one guy this is the Jeremiah book so right okay so this dude had what I call him headed

[00:59:48] I had Hanna Naya Hannah Naya spoke to me Jeremiah in the house of the Lord in the presence of the

[00:59:54] priest and of all the people okay so we had some shit to say Hannah Naya I'm curious what

[00:59:59] they were talking about saying okay here we go yeah this is what Hannah Naya said to me Jeremiah okay

[01:00:05] thus speaks the Lord of hosts the God of Israel saying I'm with Hannah Naya is telling Jeremiah

[01:00:11] what the Lord of hosts is saying yeah okay all right yeah okay he's saying that the Lord

[01:00:17] of hosts the God of Israel talked to Hannah Hannah Naya yeah and so Hannah Naya's like guess what

[01:00:23] God told me oh so this is like a little I don't know if Hannah Naya is a good guy or a bad guy

[01:00:29] we're not there yet they're comparing God God knows yeah God knows yeah okay so this is what

[01:00:34] Hannah Naya says that God said I have broken the yoke of the king of Babylon within did you really

[01:00:41] within two full years I will bring back to this place all the vessels of the Lord's house that

[01:00:46] Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon took away from this place and carried a Babylon oh so this is one of the

[01:00:52] quote unquote false prophets yeah it's gotta be right it's gotta be because he's like this isn't the way

[01:00:58] the prophet he's been going so obviously this is right he's like guess what God told me right yeah

[01:01:04] now how I wonder how Jeremiah is gonna respond me too okay but Hannah Naya is still talking yeah

[01:01:09] and I will bring back to this place jekinaya the son of walkim king of Judah with all the captive

[01:01:16] of the captives of Judah who went to Babylon says the Lord according to Hannah Naya got it for I will

[01:01:23] break the yoke of the king of Babylon then the prophet Jeremiah spoke to the prophet Hannah Naya

[01:01:30] in the presence of the priests and in the presence of all the people who stood in the house of the

[01:01:34] Lord and I bet that they were watching with like that tennis ball eyes that go back and forth with

[01:01:40] their their mouths a gate yeah and the prophet Jeremiah said amen the Lord do so the Lord perform

[01:01:48] your words which you have prophesied to bring back the vessels of the Lord's house and all who were

[01:01:53] carried away captive from Babylon to this place nevertheless here now this word that I speak in

[01:02:00] your hearing and in the hearing of all the people the prophets who have been before me and before you

[01:02:06] of old prophesied against many countries and great kingdoms of war and disaster and pestilence

[01:02:15] and zebra cakes what okay random that yeah definitely not I was just thinking of zebra cakes because

[01:02:23] the kid was asking for some and I forgot to get him the first time but then the second time that

[01:02:27] I want to the grocery store I got him that great yeah so war disaster pestilence and zebra cakes okay yeah

[01:02:36] as for the prophet who prophecies of peace when the word of the prophet comes to pass the prophet will

[01:02:42] be known as one whom the Lord has truly sent so he's setting himself up to be the correct one is

[01:02:48] he's like we'll just see how this pans out that's what Jeremiah says yeah okay yeah he's like if you

[01:02:54] say so yeah as my guess that that's my summary this was sounds like right we say so guy yeah

[01:03:01] then Hannah and I are the prophet took the yoke off the prophet Jeremiah's neck and broke it oh

[01:03:09] so there was a Jeremiah this was like a stage show I told you he was wearing that he it was very

[01:03:15] likely remember I read the notes that was very likely that he was just yesterday okay I told you

[01:03:21] it was very likely that he was wearing it himself when he was speaking to these other people

[01:03:27] got it messengers as like a display as like a show okay I don't recall that but I believe that you

[01:03:33] did say it so I did totally 100% say it got it okay okay so he was definitely wearing it then not

[01:03:41] maybe wearing it right right and so this Hannah and I guy was like give me that and he took it off

[01:03:47] of them broke it and Hannah and I have spoken the presence of all the people saying thus says the Lord

[01:03:53] even so I will break the yoke of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon from the neck of all nations

[01:03:59] within the space of two full years hmm well we heard 70 but okay well you're from Jeremiah right this is

[01:04:06] again yeah that's what I'm saying like wrong prophecy okay guy if you say so but I heard 70 from

[01:04:11] the other guy right so we'll see and the prophet Jeremiah went his way now the word of the Lord

[01:04:18] came to Jeremiah after Hannah and I of the prophet had broken the yoke from the neck of the prophet

[01:04:23] Jeremiah saying go and tell Hannah and I are saying thus says the mother fucking Lord for thus says oh

[01:04:35] wait no I lost my place you have broken the yokes of wood but you have made in their place yokes of iron

[01:04:45] so you are going from the frying pan into the fire got it that's what God wants Jeremiah to tell

[01:04:53] Hannah and I that God said got it okay are you following all this yeah well this is this is

[01:05:01] apparently even before like because he didn't Jeremiah literally literally wasn't arguing the

[01:05:06] prophecy apparently until he walked away and God told him the new prophecy so like this is

[01:05:11] prior to I don't I don't Jeremiah actually having the prophecy that they're not

[01:05:16] being correct with these or something I'm not following I'm a little confused but okay yeah

[01:05:21] okay yeah okay so for thus says the Lord of hosts the god of Israel I've put a yoke of iron on

[01:05:28] the neck of all these nations that they may serve never could nether king of Babylon and they shall

[01:05:33] serve him and I have given him the beast of the field also we okay right then the prophet Jeremiah

[01:05:41] said to Hannah and I of the prophet yeah here now Hannah and I the Lord has not sent you but you

[01:05:47] make this people trust in the lie oh he called him a liar straight to his face wow that was kind of

[01:05:53] brave and so yeah I mean it actually happened if you did that that's kind of brave right like I have

[01:06:01] all bark and very little bite I don't know like I walk up to somebody and in front of a whole crowd be

[01:06:07] like um that's cool but you're lying you're a liar I don't have a good sense as to what everyone's

[01:06:15] status is though like I don't really know how high up Hannah and I is I don't know how high up

[01:06:21] honestly Jeremiah is other than he had influential parents at some level rich parents or whatever

[01:06:27] but I don't really but also he's descended from a family that housed the ark at one point right

[01:06:32] right but I don't I don't quite understand the entire hierarchy of how everything breaks down with

[01:06:38] regard to who's the most important and who's you know that's something that's missing in my

[01:06:44] understanding of what we're reading right now with regard to these two people talking right okay

[01:06:49] that's all I'm saying so would it help you determine whether or not it was a brave act for him to

[01:06:56] call Hannah and I a liar straight to his face in front of everybody if you understood

[01:07:02] Hannah and I as role well yes because it would if I understood his role with regard to what

[01:07:09] Jeremiah's role is it would help me understand how detrimental it could be or isn't to his

[01:07:16] livelihood if he did this that that's why okay so it would be interesting to me if we have the

[01:07:22] ability to cover that in the Q&A okay that we might if we can look into that that would be

[01:07:26] something that would interest me at least so I will see what I can find on Hannah and I I'm not sure

[01:07:31] there's a lot of well not necessarily Hannah and I that just the general hierarchy of how

[01:07:35] prophets versus priests versus kings etc all kind of breaks down with regard to society at that time

[01:07:42] okay well these are both quote-unquote prophets so they would have been somewhat equal but there

[01:07:48] might be in the eyes of the people there might be elders there might be juniors there might be you

[01:07:52] know I don't I don't you know I don't know I don't again I don't know how it all breaks down

[01:07:55] I would be curious and finding that curious to find out okay got it see what I can find for you yeah

[01:08:01] I mean it may not result in any information but I don't expect it'll be easy to find what you're

[01:08:06] looking for probably not because I do not have the droids you see yeah therefore that says the Lord

[01:08:13] behold I will cast you from the face of the earth he's gonna fling mother fuck around to space

[01:08:20] damn this year you shall die boom because you have taught rebellion against the Lord just let

[01:08:26] I tell you wow hey but just a minute ago Jeremiah walked away agreeing with him well he was like

[01:08:32] we'll see yeah right he wasn't agreeing with him he was like but he wasn't like yelling at him if you

[01:08:37] say so right but then God was like go tell that motherfucker that he's a liar and so Jeremiah was

[01:08:43] like God says you're a liar yeah and then Hannah and I is like and then um so God's like oh go tell

[01:08:53] that motherfucker I'm not killing mama this guy goes up tell somebody else they hate so and so

[01:08:57] it was gonna be waiting for you in the whatever after school so he's going to wait for you on the playground

[01:09:03] yeah yeah that's exactly what it is right Jeremiah's like Jesus Christ okay so this year

[01:09:12] you shall die because you have taught rebellion against the Lord okay Jeremiah delivered that message

[01:09:17] to Hannah and I yeah yeah so Hannah and I the prophet died the same year and the seventh month the end

[01:09:21] well that's just convenient they got that prophecy correct

[01:09:25] that they that God told Jeremiah to tell him this thing and then it happened and then now we can

[01:09:30] just totally believe everything in the Bible because that was correct according to the Bible

[01:09:34] written by Jeremiah thousands of years ago through multiple translations like basically Jeremiah's

[01:09:40] like sitting around with like his friends when he's old he's like so guess what you remember that

[01:09:46] fuck face uh Hannah and I have way back when yeah yeah I know he was only around for like a couple

[01:09:50] years like yeah you probably you young as wouldn't know him and this that was before your time right

[01:09:56] yeah so anyway hey but you were there hey so do you remember that time when he got up in my face and

[01:10:03] I was like God says you're a liar well nobody else knows this but like I totally told him God said

[01:10:09] you're gonna die this year and then he did what do you think of that right right and then all the

[01:10:14] oldsters are like this could it depending on the time frames of when this this happened uh

[01:10:21] this could explain why you remember when he lay it was I think it was last chapter right where they

[01:10:25] was up no no might have been two chapters ago where he was up in front of everybody and telling them

[01:10:31] um you know doom and gloom everything's gonna be bad and then they took him captive right yeah

[01:10:37] and then they sat down talk they talked about it they had a little quorum and discuss things and

[01:10:42] they decided to let him go because he's pitching God's word or whatever right well if he had

[01:10:47] done this prior and this guy died prior to that happening somebody might have been like hey you know

[01:10:53] that one guy he died that had a naya did die like the scene we don't want to fuck with them too

[01:11:00] much cuz maybe yeah I don't know but like just decide on the air of caution I don't want to die

[01:11:06] so like maybe we just let him go you say decide on the air of caution you pulled at me

[01:11:11] it's air on the side of caution oh you did a total um where you flip words yeah yeah yeah

[01:11:18] that thing you've never done that do you have the Alzheimer's now oh my god you've never done that before

[01:11:26] I'm freaked out right now you guys I'm freaked out oh my god okay sorry go on I'm listening

[01:11:31] I don't remember where I was going no but you're right because they they would have been like

[01:11:36] okay so we were totally mad at you Jeremiah but then we just remembered that there is precedent for

[01:11:42] this with Micah and then also remember a couple of years ago he totally was like Hannah naya you

[01:11:48] are gonna die fucker and then he did oh yeah let's just let him go right right yeah that could make

[01:11:53] some sense I mean you know in regard to an actual story that might make sense I guess yeah

[01:11:59] so whatever maybe he killed Hannah naya I mean I made the prophecy come true I wouldn't put that

[01:12:07] you know out of the Roman possibilities right he's like you gonna die he seems very intent on being

[01:12:12] a prophet and then in the back of his mind he's like I'm gonna make sure that his prophecy comes true

[01:12:20] yeah oh I want to I want to read this book oh my gosh there's so many things you could do with it

[01:12:25] just depending on how you create Jeremiah as that character that could be a nefarious character yeah

[01:12:31] you know I want I want to read the book where Jeremiah is this power hungry ladder climbing mother

[01:12:38] fucker see I was thinking more like a Dexter but Bible like a sociopathic biblical prophet yes

[01:12:47] yes like that that sounds better to me yes I think that would be the way to go with it but without

[01:12:52] the incest and without like the whole well actually it is Bible so I take that back yeah

[01:13:02] there's really nothing you couldn't do with regard to the Bible yeah I started to say I don't know

[01:13:06] Dexter's too far but no your right is Dexter further than the Bible absolutely not right yeah

[01:13:12] yeah exactly I mean that's a statement right there the Bible is not worse than Dexter no wait the Bible

[01:13:19] is worse than Dexter yeah yeah that's sad yeah that ain't right okay all right well that was

[01:13:27] Jeremiah chapter 28 sure fuck was which means that we'll be back tomorrow with Jeremiah chapter 29

[01:13:34] all right we'll see you then oki doki

[01:13:42] husband wife do you remember what happened yesterday and where the hell we are today

[01:13:47] well yesterday we read Jeremiah chapter 28 we did and in that chapter Jeremiah was confronted by

[01:13:56] Hannah Naya in a like a prophet face off you know right battle of the prophets I don't know

[01:14:03] whatever you want to call it right and Hannah Naya was like everything's going to be fine I'm

[01:14:07] going to bring all the prophets back or all the all the kings and people and things back and

[01:14:12] that's all right yeah it's all going to be cool and Jeremiah is like we'll see he was like

[01:14:18] that's just like your opinion man right right and then Jeremiah kind of slept on it or went away

[01:14:24] and came back and then God talked Jeremiah of course you know because God does that apparently

[01:14:28] and Jeremiah comes back and basically tells him that God says hey Hannah Naya you're gonna die

[01:14:35] in a year and fuck fuck off for being a false prophet within the year within the year he died too

[01:14:42] months later yeah right so that happened I guess I mean according to Jeremiah within canon

[01:14:50] all right yeah yeah yeah yeah so that was Jeremiah chapter 28 sure it's fuck was which means

[01:14:56] that today we're getting into Jeremiah chapter 29 all right let's do this okie ok so we are

[01:15:12] getting into Jeremiah chapter 29 which is a bit of an odd one an odd one yeah as opposed to the

[01:15:18] rest of the Bible that is very normal and reasonable and equitable with regard to how they treat people

[01:15:25] ok it's an odd one with regard to Jeremiah okay okay sure because are you familiar with the term

[01:15:33] epistles or epithelatory or I think I've heard that before is it epistles not apostles right

[01:15:40] correct it's epistles okay just making sure there is a word of process but that's a different thing

[01:15:46] I always get confused when I hear them said because I don't know what the difference is exactly

[01:15:50] sometimes an apostle makes an epistle oh man that's a pisser so the apostles were followers of

[01:16:00] Jesus or what the fuck yeah yeah I kind of use that bit and I've heard a pistol before but I don't

[01:16:05] know the pistols are letters oh we did we talked about this yeah yeah yeah they're like the

[01:16:13] I remind me because I am struggling I do just letters it's just letters so there are some

[01:16:18] novels that are referred to as epistle novels or epistleatory because the the whole novel is

[01:16:26] nothing but letters between the characters got it okay so when we get to the New Testament a lot

[01:16:33] of those chapters are gonna just be epistles got just be letters from the apostles to the church

[01:16:39] or from the apostles to the people oh not letters is in like the letter of the alphabet but letters

[01:16:45] is in a letter to a person yes okay yes like male got it like snail male right right yeah you got male

[01:16:55] have you though have you so that's the first thing okay we're this chapter has two letters in it

[01:17:04] okay one is from Jeremiah to um uh the people in Babylon that were exiled there he's oh

[01:17:15] okay I thought you were gonna tell me who's communicating with Nebuchadnezzar and then I was like yeah

[01:17:18] that's right he's communicated with him because he's gonna bring you know he's trying to make peace

[01:17:22] with him I mean who knows maybe he sent two letters we just don't know it sure I don't know

[01:17:27] the other one is from Jeremiah to um the people that are left behind in um Judah okay

[01:17:36] and it refers to a letter that was written to one of the governors got it okay okay so that's

[01:17:43] the first note okay the second note is this book is numbered as Jeremiah 36 were in 29 but this

[01:17:52] is numbered as Jeremiah 36 in the Septuagint a Greek book okay the Greek translation so again out of order

[01:17:59] yes as far as some books are concerned and now I I would have a question about that is so the

[01:18:05] Septuagint um does it have the same amount of chapters or are there more chapters or like what's

[01:18:11] the deal with that I'd have to look more into the Septuagint itself okay I know what it is

[01:18:17] it's the Greek translation of the Bible sure um from early days I guess I'm mostly what I'm

[01:18:23] getting as I'm curious what causes that offset of where the chapters fall it because it seems like

[01:18:29] it could be because there's something else thrown in there or or something like I said I have no

[01:18:34] idea I would have to look that up okay um at some point probably when we finish at least the old

[01:18:41] testament if not the new testament as well yeah I would think that would be a topic that we would

[01:18:46] cover like what is up with the Volgate which is the um is that the Roman or no the Latin the Volgate

[01:18:54] is the Latin translation got it which I refer to in my notes less often sure um but then there's

[01:19:02] you know the Septuagint as the Greek translation so we've got all of these super early translations

[01:19:07] running around right and then you know since then all of these other modern day ones got it

[01:19:13] and they don't always match up with the old old thers right no I get that and you know some of this

[01:19:19] stuff like the intricacies of how everything breaks down um with regard to translations and everything

[01:19:25] else is definitely something I want to dig into at a later point after we get done reading the Bible

[01:19:30] yeah and there's so much intriguing stuff there that I know is there because I've kind of dug into it

[01:19:35] a little bit already yeah but it's something like we're gonna be talking about biblical shed for

[01:19:42] a long time yes I mean we had we had dreams thoughts ideas early on of maybe jumping into some other

[01:19:52] biblical books right like and so or some sorry some other religious texts yes right and I'm not saying

[01:19:57] that that's completely out of the picture but I think that we didn't really understand what we

[01:20:03] were getting into when we were thinking we were gonna move on to other things yeah I I think

[01:20:08] that like you said we didn't realize how much was missing from the Bible that we are reading right

[01:20:14] and that is the standard Bible like we didn't know that there's books left out in other branches

[01:20:21] of Christianity or Judaism we didn't know that there were so many topics that refer to other topics

[01:20:27] within what we're reading right and I think because we're taking this project to the full extent

[01:20:32] right we're reading every chapter every every page everything mm-hmm I think that we owe it to

[01:20:38] ourselves and to our listeners mm-hmm to dive as deep as we can into this after we're done with

[01:20:44] it yeah like I think that is definitely something that we need to do yeah before we move on to any

[01:20:48] other religious texts yeah yeah because I know like reading the Kram or something high on our

[01:20:52] list that we want to do at some point I mean but that is so far eventually at this point that I

[01:20:58] don't know that we might die before we get to it I agree I agree and then you know something you

[01:21:03] and I have discussed this but like with regard to why we're doing the Bible specifically and first

[01:21:08] and and and so much mm-hmm it is what is relevant to us you know in that selfish right but

[01:21:16] it's also relevant to our country that we live in American politics that's what yeah that's what

[01:21:22] shaping American politics and um it's what politicians today are saying shape their country

[01:21:29] and Western culture at large it's not just the US it's you know you're up and you know other

[01:21:33] countries too it's not just the US but it definitely affects us here where we live where we reside

[01:21:40] much more than other religions and that's not to say that they don't deserve ridicule and

[01:21:45] and um you know some tearing apart with regard to how they phrase things they definitely do

[01:21:51] when I know that as well but it's so hard like this we have to cover this we have to cover these

[01:21:57] things because this is what we started with and we have to finish it so I always like this way off

[01:22:02] topic yeah I always like when I'm down a little unravel hole here I know I always like when people

[01:22:08] on like Twitter of old would say stuff like cover the Korean or else you're a coward all the time

[01:22:13] and I'm like what how am I a coward for I'm not there yet it's usually a Christian

[01:22:19] and they're like why aren't you they're called they want to call you names that's what it was

[01:22:24] yes they they they know why you're covering it they know why it's important to us they just want

[01:22:29] you to admit they want they want to call you names they want to call you a coward and they want

[01:22:34] to say you wouldn't do this to any other religion they want to feel they want to feel that they

[01:22:38] are being picked on yes you know that they are being targeted and I'm like oh sweetheart you are

[01:22:45] you and every other religion yes yes we are picking all of you when you really think about it though

[01:22:51] how many atheists are there with regard to how many Christians there are and how much bullshit do

[01:22:57] we deal with coming at us from Christianity versus how much they actually deal with that's not

[01:23:03] self-inflicted but it's not self-inflicted coming from atheists towards them right they don't really

[01:23:08] have to deal with atheist coming at them in the real world right they have to deal with podcasts

[01:23:13] like ours and social media but they they seek us out yes they seek out that that criticism

[01:23:20] because they want to feel like they're being criticized and that's what's going on is we don't

[01:23:25] go knocking on their fucking doors right we don't go yelling in the streets we don't wear

[01:23:29] fucking atheist gear out and about general I'm not saying we do don't we do but not nearly as much

[01:23:35] as Christians do right and we are advocating for various atheistic principles that need to be

[01:23:46] recited in schools right you know like there is no God we must say it every day with our hands on

[01:23:52] our hearts before flag there is no God everybody say it you pray right we're not doing that other than

[01:23:59] we don't want God as part of our government right we aren't pushing any atheistic ideas onto people

[01:24:04] that's what that was my point right I'm like no I know I'm like if you're gonna do that if you're

[01:24:09] gonna put prayer in school I would like to demand that we also add there is no God right in school

[01:24:16] yeah sure I mean if that's what we're doing if we're making children have to be brainwashed

[01:24:23] one direction let's go ahead and there is no God there is a God gods an elephant God is this God

[01:24:30] is that what yeah I mean they should have the right to I mean if you're gonna do prayer in school

[01:24:34] somebody should have the right to draw a satanic circle and name you know light some candles and

[01:24:38] worship Satan you know I mean I'm just saying like if you're gonna do it you gotta go all in

[01:24:44] you know I wish I could go back in time and just like screen bills above bills above bills above

[01:24:50] through every single prayer that I ever had to sit through that was in a public arena right

[01:24:55] that was you know it was basically forced upon me well and that you know as as I've gotten older

[01:25:01] in my life I never I don't think I really in I didn't understand how much it was just present

[01:25:09] in even my school like I had teachers that would read I remember looking back that I had teachers

[01:25:15] that would read some religiously oriented things in school and things like you know this is

[01:25:19] we're talking a long time ago but still not that long ago historically speaking right right

[01:25:25] right but it was so normal that it didn't even occur to you that that's probably not a thing that

[01:25:29] should happen well then I you know I've talked about this before I grew up in a small town

[01:25:34] and you know religion was very prevalent in our town so it wasn't abnormal to talk about religion

[01:25:40] in general I mean you had like 20 streets and there's five churches on every well 20 I guess we

[01:25:45] probably have 20 yeah like the whole spread out yeah not like in the quote unquote downtown area

[01:25:51] like your whole town as a whole has like 20 streets on it and there's like five churches

[01:25:57] right within those 20 streets yeah fuck off yeah no it's it's insane well that and I can remember

[01:26:04] when we first got together yeah um I got my associates degree in 2006 and you were there at the

[01:26:14] graduation ceremony yeah and we talked about this later how before the graduation ceremony and

[01:26:20] this is a public community college yeah and they did a prayer and I remember saying at the time

[01:26:28] that made me so uncomfortable and we hadn't really we were just getting together so we hadn't really

[01:26:33] talked about religion and stuff and you were like and didn't bother me because it was still so

[01:26:40] like yep that's what we do and I'm like but do we though which is really funny because you were way

[01:26:45] more hardcore atheist at that time yeah you were so used to this is just what we do it just didn't

[01:26:54] occur to you that you know you don't have to actually do the prayer or respect it or whatever

[01:27:01] like you could actually sit down during it if you want to or whatever right right so I don't

[01:27:07] anyway we're getting way off here okay so I've gone over my first couple notes here um

[01:27:15] they're letters yeah okay yeah um I wanted to make one more note before we start which is with

[01:27:23] regard to them having removed all of the like leaders and skilled people and stuff yeah

[01:27:29] and leaving the drugs of society behind right that that was a super common method of

[01:27:38] keeping like quelling the the violence in a community sure um they did that they learned that

[01:27:46] skill from the Assyrians to reduce the possibility of a rebellion I mean it still holds true to

[01:27:52] they a lot of societies when they are taking over a country or fighting them they will try to

[01:27:56] take out the elites first because well yeah now they just kill them back back then what they were

[01:28:02] doing was taking them right yeah so all right so back to the actual chapter which we are now going

[01:28:11] to read Jeremiah chapter 29 okay okay so now these are the words of the letter that Jeremiah the

[01:28:19] prophet sent from Jerusalem to the remainder of the elders who were carried away captive okay to the

[01:28:27] priest the prophets and all the people whom Nebuchadnezzar had carried away captive from Jerusalem to

[01:28:32] Babylon okay I guess I didn't really need to make that a note since it says that in the first

[01:28:36] sure but I didn't read it I didn't know ahead of time right whatever yeah okay this happened oh

[01:28:43] I'm so sorry parentheses voice this happened after Jack and I are the king the queen mother the

[01:28:49] unix the princes of Judah and Jerusalem the craftsman and the smiths had departed from Jerusalem okay

[01:28:56] and of parentheses voice yeah yeah okay so that's just a note about when they shit happen

[01:29:02] mm-hmm and um yeah so then it goes on the letter was sent by the hand of Alassa the son of

[01:29:12] Shafan and Gamaraya the son of Hylkaya whom Zedakaya king of Judah sent to Babylon to Nebuchadnezzar

[01:29:23] king of Babylon saying dot dot dot I feel like it's unnecessary to mention the whole line of names when

[01:29:29] you're just sending a fucking letter yeah you sent a letter who sent it okay great awesome to be fair

[01:29:35] like they're trying to include letterhead yeah which you know since this is an audio format I guess

[01:29:41] is helpful or whatever because if you were just reading it to yourself you would just buzz over

[01:29:46] it you wouldn't even look at it right right yeah but we're trying to read every word and anyway so I did

[01:29:53] want to point out where it says um the son of Shafan uh-huh do you remember that one guy that stood up for

[01:30:03] um um Jeremiah I keep forgetting our guy's name like who's the main character again I do kind of

[01:30:09] vaguely remember that yeah we were like oh he's a um advocate and he's yeah respected in his

[01:30:16] community or whatever has a man of influence right um so the letter was sent by the hand of Alassa the

[01:30:22] son of Shafan Alassa was his brother because um the son of Shafan was also that dude okay all right

[01:30:31] so yeah I mean small beings like who really cares but it does put a little bit of context that okay

[01:30:37] so basically a friend was delivering this letter right yeah um to these people in Babylon yes okay

[01:30:47] thus says the lord of hosts the god of Israel to all who were carried away captive who may have

[01:30:53] caused to be carried away from Jerusalem to Babylon he says says he says says says says says eat

[01:31:00] he says right quotes with in quotes right okay so this is Jeremiah telling the people in Babylon that

[01:31:07] God says build houses and dwell in them plant gardens and eat their fruit take wives and be get sons

[01:31:15] and daughters and take wives for your sons and give your daughters to husbands so that they may

[01:31:21] bear sons and daughters that you may be increased there and not diminished and seek the peace of

[01:31:28] the city where I have caused you to be carried away captive and pray to the lord for it for in it

[01:31:34] for in its peace you will have peace so okay the point of this is he's telling his people y'all need

[01:31:42] to settle in for the long haul you're not coming back tomorrow right don't not get married or whatever

[01:31:48] populate and get stronger and you know just make the best of what you can yes so you know don't

[01:31:55] be expecting that I'm bringing you home really in it for the long haul yeah for thus says the lord

[01:32:02] of hosts the god of Israel do not let your prophets and your diviners who are in your midst deceive you

[01:32:08] nor listen to your dreams which you cause to be dreamed so that indicates that there were some false

[01:32:14] prophets that got taken away with them right which is interesting and we're also maybe they were

[01:32:20] sending letters saying the exact opposite to them yeah that's what I'm saying yeah he's saying I

[01:32:26] know that there are some false prophets there with you guys oh you're saying and you're probably

[01:32:30] hearing letters from false prophets okay gotcha I wasn't following you right so don't believe them

[01:32:37] right okay for they prophecy falsely to you in my name I have not sent them says the lord

[01:32:44] I just didn't occur to me that they would still be receiving news from false prophets again how are

[01:32:51] they supposed to know their false prophets right and ultimately if you are a false prophet right yeah

[01:32:58] how are you supposed to know your your your false prophet yourself if you if you believe

[01:33:02] you're getting the message from God yeah then you believe you're getting the message from God

[01:33:06] wait I don't know what to fucking tell you I'm hearing a fucking voice or I'm having these

[01:33:10] fucking dreams much the same question I have as to what exactly is being touched by God or what

[01:33:15] is what is called being called and all this crap like what does that even fucking mean right I

[01:33:20] could interpret it in a way that would make sense to me if I wanted to like if I wanted to be

[01:33:24] religious right I could make something make sense I could make it make sense to me right I could say

[01:33:31] I could take beautiful things that happen or things that are weird that happen you know and say

[01:33:39] that's God right right but I don't believe that I don't think that that's true so

[01:33:45] if they believe it and then they feel like they're getting the message that they should send

[01:33:50] then who's to say they don't actually believe they're telling the word of God you know here's

[01:33:54] here's maybe a good analogy I think that they feel like and believers today for that matter

[01:34:03] feel like it's a physical thing that if you experience it you'll know it right sure like

[01:34:11] it would be like trying to describe an orgasm for example to somebody right and then that somebody

[01:34:17] experiences something and they're not quite sure and they're like was that an orgasm right

[01:34:23] right and like the person who knows what an orgasm feels like multiple times over is like oh honey

[01:34:29] if you have one you'll fucking know you will know and you won't be asking was that but also with

[01:34:35] regard to the Bible though I mean the social pressures that are there with being religious right

[01:34:43] and I know this from personal experience it's immense you know like there's an immense amount of

[01:34:49] pressure on people to feel these things and to know these things right and so when you are

[01:34:55] looked at as odd or not falling in line with these ideas you you start saying okay how can I

[01:35:03] how can I make myself feel this because obviously I'm the weird one here you know what you're not

[01:35:10] but but you're made to feel that way yeah and so you know and I think a lot of people get caught up

[01:35:18] in the whole social structure which then can sometimes cause these experiences that are

[01:35:24] godly experiences or messages or different things like that they they cause it through

[01:35:31] just I don't know I don't really I don't really know but there's words for those things

[01:35:35] they just can't come up with them right now I don't know what they are so I don't know either

[01:35:40] I mean I know what I'm thinking I'm just saying you know like it's people are people come up

[01:35:46] with the idea that they have felt the touch of God because they are indoctrinated to believe

[01:35:52] that that shouldn't happen to them right and so they then in turn experience that which they

[01:36:00] thought that they should experience because they're like psychosimtomatic kind of thing yeah

[01:36:04] yeah yeah like exactly placebo effect if you think your if you if you tell yourself all day that

[01:36:10] you feel sick when you're not actually sick a lot of times by the end of the day you actually

[01:36:15] will feel sick you know you can you can will yourself into different states of being just by wanting to

[01:36:23] be that way right you know it doesn't make it true it doesn't make it right but there are things

[01:36:28] that you can do that can make you feel different ways about things sure sure all right to continue

[01:36:36] yeah sorry we're getting waste I track today we had a lot to say you know what I think it was

[01:36:40] too we didn't see each other a lot today and so we didn't get to like yak right and so we're kind

[01:36:45] of like oh thank you listeners you're you're letting us be married at each other and have those

[01:36:51] discussions that we have yeah yeah yeah so this is appreciate you guys yeah yeah all right for

[01:36:56] thus says the Lord okay okay after 70 years are completed at Babylon I will visit you and perform my

[01:37:03] good word and that you you'll probably be dead right but you know people that are still there that

[01:37:08] you made so and cause you to return to this place right yeah this this place right here yeah Judah

[01:37:15] whatever Judah yeah for I know the thoughts that I think toward you says the Lord I would hope he does

[01:37:22] I know my thoughts that I think toward God do you know your thoughts that you think do you know

[01:37:27] my thoughts that I think toward God I think I know yeah I think I know your thoughts as well

[01:37:31] I think you probably do okay thoughts of peace and not of evil to give you a future and a hope

[01:37:37] fuck off with that because you are not trying to give them peace you could easily give them peace God

[01:37:43] yeah you know you are not thinking of peace towards your people right right then you will call upon me

[01:37:51] and go and pray to me and I will listen to you at that point I will listen to you he says but not

[01:37:56] now you got no chance now no 70 years from now then we'll talk just have lots of sex and babies

[01:38:01] and then we'll talk in seven years okay and you will seek me and find me when you search for me

[01:38:06] with all your heart I will be found by you says the Lord and I will bring you back from your captivity

[01:38:13] are gone and I will gather you from all the nations and from all the places where I have driven you

[01:38:20] shattered smothered smothered covered right says the Lord and I will bring you to the place from

[01:38:26] which I caused you to be carried away captive okay because you have said the Lord has raised

[01:38:33] up prophets for us in Babylon therefore thus says the Lord concerning the king who sits on the throne

[01:38:40] of David concerning all the people who dwell in this city and concerning your brethren who have not

[01:38:45] gone out with you into captivity so now he's talking about the people left at home

[01:38:51] thus says the Lord of hosts behold I will send on them the sword the famine and the pestilence

[01:38:58] and we'll make them like rotten figs remember the figs yeah that cannot be eaten they are so bad

[01:39:04] got it so he's like don't go thinking that y'all got kidnapped because you're rotten

[01:39:09] the people that got left behind are the rotten ones right right and I will pursue them with the

[01:39:15] sword with famine and with pestilence and I will deliver them to travel right here in River City

[01:39:21] among all the kingdoms of the earth this is look God is literally talking to them telling them hey you

[01:39:27] know your people over there that you you know are they're your people I'm gonna kill them all yeah

[01:39:32] but you guys still have a chance so yeah chillax it's fun it's fun don't worry about them yeah

[01:39:37] you guys they're garbage you know how your sister got kidnapped but you didn't or no vice versa you

[01:39:44] know how you got kidnapped but your sister's still at home because she's a piece of shit yeah like

[01:39:49] that's the way that goes sorry this also feels a little classist it is these are the like people

[01:39:54] the people they got kidnapped you know we're taking away oh there's the poor they're just the

[01:39:58] home right yeah they're just the drugs is society they suck whatever right yeah to be a curse and

[01:40:05] astonishment a hissing and a reproach among all the nations where I've driven them because they

[01:40:11] have not heated my words says the Lord which I sent to them by my servants the prophets rising up

[01:40:18] early and sending them neither when you heat says the Lord that's why you got kidnapped fuckers right

[01:40:24] yeah but they get treated better though because they're rich you know yeah and skilled right and

[01:40:30] skilled some of them are Smith some whatnot some of them are art is on convenient though isn't it

[01:40:34] right it is therefore here the word of the Lord all you of the captivity whom I have sent from

[01:40:42] Jerusalem to Babylon this is like the longest letter ever the says the Lord of hosts the God of

[01:40:49] Israel concerning oh okay I read notes about these guys concerning a hab the son of Kaliah and

[01:40:57] Zedakaya the son of Me Isaiah who prophecy a lie to you in my name so he's calling out two false

[01:41:04] prophets in particular okay and both of them were named after evil kings one was an evil king

[01:41:09] of Judah one was an evil king of Israel got it yeah a hab and Zedakaya okay he's like these fuckers

[01:41:18] listen yeah they are lying behold I will deliver them into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon

[01:41:25] and he shall slay them before your eyes hmm and because of them a curse shall be taken up by all

[01:41:31] the captivity of Judah who are in Babylon saying the lower make you like Zedakaya and a hab whom the

[01:41:39] king of Babylon roasted in the fire so he's like their their names are going to be turned into a curse

[01:41:46] you watch sure okay yeah because they have done this graceful things and I in Israel have committed

[01:41:53] adultery with their neighbors wives they fuck those fuckers and have spoken lying words in my name

[01:42:00] which I have not commanded them indeed I know and am a witness says the Lord

[01:42:05] oh he knows he and he's a witness okay yeah according to Jeremiah okay Jeremiah is a peeping Tom

[01:42:12] that's what it why I think God was saying he knows and he is a witness yeah according to Jeremiah right

[01:42:17] right this isn't a letter that Jeremiah is right yeah okay okay that's what I'm saying God knows

[01:42:22] what you did hmm you shall also speak to Shemaah oh okay so Shemaah is a guy that wrote to like the

[01:42:32] governor or city councilor what the fuck ever sure in Jerusalem or Judah okay Judah and so Shemaah

[01:42:41] was like this fuck over here can't you do something about Jeremiah he's so fucking annoying right okay

[01:42:47] and so God is telling Jeremiah which Jeremiah is writing down in this letter yeah you shall also

[01:42:53] speak to Shemaah the knee hellamite knee ne'elamite sorry whatever okay saying bus speaks the Lord

[01:43:01] of hosts the god of Israel saying you have sent letters in your name to all the people who are

[01:43:07] at Jerusalem to Zephaniah the son of me Isaiah the priest and to all the priests saying the Lord has

[01:43:15] made you priest instead of johoy to the priest so that there should be officers in the house of

[01:43:20] the Lord over every man who is demented and considers himself a fucking prophet that you should put

[01:43:26] him in prison and in the stocks he's like this sounds like a lot of fucking politics that I don't

[01:43:32] feel like much politics I don't feel like God would be getting involved in specific political things no

[01:43:37] he wouldn't this is all Jeremiah yeah Jeremiah's like this guy called me crazy and I'm about to do

[01:43:43] something about that yeah yeah this is the danger this is the danger of religion though right yes like

[01:43:49] to take this ultimate word of this Almighty God and say this is what he said yeah I said these

[01:43:57] this is this is what God said to me and this is the way it's going to be because God yeah and you

[01:44:01] can't question God so therefore it is right what like it's like I don't know what to tell you but

[01:44:06] that's that's the danger like it's very authoritarian it's very you called me crazy I jotted that

[01:44:12] down in my little notebook and now I'm getting vengeance remember early on when he called for

[01:44:17] vengeance yeah yeah apparently dude has picked up a following and his feeling is oats and is like

[01:44:22] apparently and you and you and you and and and and quite possibly as things get worse and worse

[01:44:28] for the Israelites more people will be followers of Jeremiah because they're like well

[01:44:33] apparently he's right yeah oopsy right okay so anyway he's like that dude called

[01:44:41] people demented and said any old crazy person now can consider himself a prophet you should

[01:44:46] put that dude in prison and the stocks sounds like today now therefore why have you not

[01:44:54] approved Jeremiah of Anathoth who makes himself a fucking prophet to you why have you not done that

[01:45:01] right yeah for he has sent to us in Babylon saying this captivity is long build houses and dwell in

[01:45:08] them and plant gardens and eat their fruit now Zephaniah the priest read this letter in the hearing

[01:45:14] of Jeremiah the prophet so Jeremiah got to read that letter okay that dude all wrote disclosure huh

[01:45:20] this is like case evidence disclosure yeah he's like I read that letter that you sent

[01:45:26] then the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah right then a mayor about that letter oh oh yeah of course

[01:45:33] it did uh-huh saying thus as the Lord concerning Shemaah the Neal lemon the lemonhead the Neal

[01:45:42] might yeah because Shemaah has prophecy to you and I have not sent him and he has caused you to trust

[01:45:49] in a lie therefore says the Lord behold I will punish Shemaah and his family hmm okay yeah I've

[01:45:58] read that nasty letter that you wrote and guess what God gon getcha I mean yeah I got to say

[01:46:04] Jeremiah is feeling his oats here like that's what I'm saying you know yeah and that's something

[01:46:10] okay Shemaah shall not have anyone to dwell among his people nor shall he see the good that I

[01:46:16] will do for my people says the Lord because he has taught rebellion against the Lord I don't think

[01:46:22] it's the end I don't think any of them are gonna see it it's been seven years later when he's

[01:46:26] gonna do good well and according to according to God and God should know everything right so God's

[01:46:32] gonna punish all these false prophets and all these people that are doing bad you don't need to

[01:46:36] state it just do it like it show us through action don't just like you don't have that that's what

[01:46:40] tells me that is not God and that it's man because Jeremiah is like I'm I read that letter I heard

[01:46:47] that letter that you fucking wrote about me right and now I'm gonna talk about God calling you out by

[01:46:53] name right personally yeah and I'm gonna tell you what God's gonna do to you well it strikes me

[01:47:00] right that you have all these false prophets right that are speaking lies in God's name right

[01:47:05] and apparently according to Jeremiah God is aware of this right so he went when when Hananiah

[01:47:12] confronted him in the last chapter God smights kills gets rid of Hananiah within two months right yeah

[01:47:20] why doesn't God get rid of these false prophets before they ever become false prophets yeah he's

[01:47:27] God yeah he should be able to handle that that should be within his realm of capabilities what I find

[01:47:33] interesting is that only the ones that personally insult Jeremiah and get in his face are the ones

[01:47:40] that are dying again this is all politics yeah it's it's all ancient politics where people killed

[01:47:47] their enemies and or poison their enemies and or had other people do things to them or maybe they

[01:47:54] just knew that they were frail and probably we're gonna die anyway or like in the first season of

[01:47:58] House of Cars when that guy that fucking guy that is running he's gonna be running for president he

[01:48:05] pushed that girl in front of the train yeah that was crazy we did not see that coming right yeah he pushed

[01:48:11] that fucking girl in front of the train yeah yeah he's totally Jeremiah right right mm-hmm well I don't

[01:48:19] really have much else to say do you I don't know either a couple letters I'm the tone that the book

[01:48:26] is taking has changed for sure yeah yeah for sure I feel differently now about Jeremiah than I did

[01:48:32] just a few chapters ago mm-hmm so we'll see where this ends up going I'll tell you this he ain't no

[01:48:38] weeping prophet now no no no no crying now no he's of addictive son of a bitch yeah yeah yeah but uh

[01:48:46] yeah well I guess we'll have to tune in and see what happens next time so that was Jeremiah chapter

[01:48:52] 29 sure it's fuck was which means that we'll be back tomorrow with Jeremiah chapter 30 all right we'll

[01:48:58] see you then bye

[01:49:05] husband wife do you remember what happened yesterday and where the hell we are today well yesterday

[01:49:10] we just got done reading Jeremiah chapter 29 that is correct and in that one um Jeremiah was sending

[01:49:18] letters he was he's he's reached out to the postman we had some pistols up in there yeah we had

[01:49:22] some pistols not apostles pistols right yeah and he sent messages to the people that were already

[01:49:29] an exile mm-hmm and he's like yeah yeah you ain't coming back so get comfy mm-hmm you know have kids

[01:49:35] get married you know all that shit buckle down for the long haul multiplying right just be just

[01:49:41] get comfy over there your home now yeah and then then he wrote a letter to the people that

[01:49:45] didn't get over there and he's like y'all fucked and also I heard what you done said about me

[01:49:51] right and I told God to get you and he gonna get you right right yeah so that was basically

[01:49:56] Jeremiah chapter 29 yes um which means that today we're getting into Jeremiah chapter 30 all right let's

[01:50:03] do this okie dokie all right here we are hopping into Jeremiah chapter 30 okay and guess what oh

[01:50:20] what this book or this chapter is numbered as Jeremiah 37 in the Septuagint Septuagint which is the

[01:50:30] Greek version yes but we don't know whether or not that's just because there's extra shit in that one

[01:50:36] or if it's because it's in the wrong order yeah we don't really know why that's the case yeah I

[01:50:41] haven't really looked too hard into that so right but when we keep bringing it up though we should

[01:50:45] probably look into it probably because I am a little bit curious since you keep mentioning it

[01:50:50] I know like did y'all just staple this shit in the wrong order not like overly curious but somewhat

[01:50:56] curious it's just that somewhere between like the original Hebrew and then the Latin and the Arabic

[01:51:04] and the Greek versions all the versions like I'm just kind of like over it and I'm like yeah so basically

[01:51:13] everybody who translated it into a different language they kind of messed it up a little bit

[01:51:19] and then it traveled down through history from there right right so yes there might be a different

[01:51:26] reason and we should look into that but I'm guessing that that's all we're gonna find right but I

[01:51:31] only mentioned it because you keep mentioning it I keep mentioning it because I figure it's an

[01:51:35] interesting note just FYI okay that's basically what it is like just as an FYI here's some information

[01:51:44] in case you find it important I don't somebody might okay all right that is the first note that I

[01:51:51] have the second note that I have do you like how suddenly like all the way up to Jeremiah I didn't

[01:51:57] really start with notes right then with Jeremiah comes along and I'm starting to like have to

[01:52:03] each chapter comes with its own prefaces right right yeah okay so second note I mean it jumps

[01:52:09] all over the fucking place it really does um chapters 30 through 33 so starting today yeah have

[01:52:16] been referred to as the book of consolation ah okay all right I guess it's supposed to mean that like

[01:52:24] good shit is coming to the remnant sure you know yeah and I don't know if that's what we call them

[01:52:30] anymore like is that what we I don't know what you know who I'm talking about the good grapes the

[01:52:35] good figs right the one that when I head and when I'm to exile that it's not going to kill yeah yeah

[01:52:39] the high class skilled artisans and whatnot yeah yeah them guys I guess I'm good's gonna come to

[01:52:46] them you know he likes to say that he takes care of the poor but he's like he's not doing that here

[01:52:51] I know he's like except for the ones I left behind which is all of them right yeah yeah all right the

[01:52:56] word is not the bird no bird is not the word right the word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord saying

[01:53:04] thus speaks the Lord God of Israel saying right in a book for yourself all the words that I have spoken to

[01:53:13] that caught you unaware we're sitting here reading the book of Jeremiah and like oh now we're

[01:53:19] referencing the fact that he's gonna write a book yeah write it down write it down yeah for behold

[01:53:25] the days are coming says the Lord that I will bring back from captivity my people Israel and Judah

[01:53:32] says the Lord he says he says but let me let me ask this because all the words I've heard God tell

[01:53:38] Jeremiah have all been like y'all fucked like there's no like he's not talking about how to live

[01:53:46] how to operate in the world he's just like y'all better repent or you're all fucked hate you hate you

[01:53:52] hate you right you're okay I guess there's really nothing of substance for when they come back if

[01:53:58] you made it back then you're all good and and don't fuck up again I guess but don't there's no

[01:54:05] laws to follow in what Jeremiah said it's all that previous shit so really there's not much to

[01:54:10] write down you know what I just realized like we could totally do without this entire book because

[01:54:14] it adds nothing it's so far yeah with regard to like how to live how to be a follower of God this

[01:54:21] is just some dude like really happy that God is talking to him about correct prophecies apparently

[01:54:27] and he gets to be vengeful in God's name right and that's that's always exciting I mean it is questionable

[01:54:33] whether he's whether or not he's making these things happen the way you know I mean like

[01:54:37] that he might be a possibility he might be a possibility yeah the more that I thought about it after

[01:54:42] you brought that up last night was it last night or the night before I don't know it was recently

[01:54:45] very recent I was like my guy is totally in on this right yeah I'm I'm a believer now that is what I

[01:54:54] believe I'm a believer okay so the Lord continues and I will cause them to return to the land that

[01:55:01] I gave to their fathers and they shall possess it okay right keep saying that you got anything

[01:55:06] new this chapter now these okay so that was the end of his quote now these coming up are the words

[01:55:13] that the Lord spoke concerning Israel and Judah okay so now God's talking sure and Jeremiah is

[01:55:19] writing the shit this future Israel and Judah are current we'll find out I guess for thus says

[01:55:26] the Lord we have heard a voice of trembling of fear and not of peace well yeah because God's like

[01:55:33] war war war war war war kill killed the word of God right that we're reading right here he's

[01:55:38] literally the one causing it why is he this you know why I know why because it's not actually God

[01:55:44] but like this is so ridiculous yeah it's like oh they were so cute back then before they could

[01:55:49] think things through logically right like this isn't how God would talk about himself no about what

[01:55:54] he's doing not at all ask now and see whether a man is ever in labor with a child here we go men

[01:56:03] you surfing women's pain during childbirth I guess but but being the simple answer there is no

[01:56:08] no that doesn't really happen I mean they have found way I think there is a way that they can actually

[01:56:14] a man can carry a child but cannot get first but that is discounting the trans experience and I do

[01:56:24] want to say that there can be trans women or no trans men who can become pregnant obviously because

[01:56:35] their bodies are still I was not I didn't know if they could go the full I wasn't aware of that

[01:56:40] actually I guess no I think you're thinking that I'm talking about oh oh oh I'm sorry a person

[01:56:47] yes yes yes I was born I wasn't following correctly yeah I know you were you were backwards yeah

[01:56:52] I was exactly yeah understood well I mean I started out backwards so I had to like think it through

[01:56:57] right I apologize I am still we still learning we're still learning and we have a kid that

[01:57:03] identifies his trans so yeah I mean that's what we want to learn we want to learn and I think that

[01:57:08] that is the you know we talk about this all the time there's there's people in our lives that

[01:57:14] that make an effort not not the best efforts but they make an effort they care they care and

[01:57:20] they ask questions and they they read a lot and that means enough you know like that's that's

[01:57:27] right because they care and because they want to care and because they end up boomers so I mean that

[01:57:32] means a lot more right when a boomer makes that kind of effort I'm sorry it does mean something

[01:57:37] because boomers can't try a lot when it comes to like me learning new concepts I am I'm gonna say

[01:57:43] I have to try myself but right but it I do care it is harder for that's not even a question you know

[01:57:49] like it is harder for a boomer than a Gen X right and it's harder for a Gen X than it is for a

[01:57:54] millennial yeah and it's hardly difficult at all for a millennial much less a Gen Z right so I

[01:58:01] mean I'm just saying credit to the boomers out there who are trying because we recognize that

[01:58:09] y'all were born without color TV and so you didn't have the internet like it's harder for you

[01:58:17] right you know right we at least kind of had it introduced to us as children as Gen X not

[01:58:25] not like totally immersed in it or anything like we are now I was gonna say I didn't really know

[01:58:32] anything about even LGBTQIA until AIDS that would be called it AIDS back to HIV hit back in I mean

[01:58:41] like 80s that's my first exposure was in the 80s yeah but that's what I mean like you and I were

[01:58:46] children in the 80s so we were exposed earlier than boomers were to okay I just phenomenon of

[01:58:55] the LGBTQ experience on the slightest level right yeah on a grand scale they were not right and so

[01:59:04] we're way off topic here but we just want to put out there that the trans experience counts

[01:59:10] and that you know whatever your experience may be yes sorry okay ask now and see whether a man

[01:59:17] is ever in labor with a child so why do I see every man with his hands on his loins like a woman

[01:59:23] in laborer in all faces term pale I don't I don't know what because they scared and crying oh okay

[01:59:31] you know gods are coming Babylon's a coming I don't I don't feel like that's what happened I don't

[01:59:35] I really don't no matter how much the prophets say it the reactions that they tell me that the

[01:59:44] people are doing to the things that they're saying they're unrealistic well they don't they don't

[01:59:48] match up right yeah like I mean there's not they don't act scared of Yahweh right they they do act

[01:59:55] scared of like you know people coming to kill them yeah but that's not indicative of God commanding

[02:00:02] it right it's just the reality that is in front of them so I don't it doesn't match up they they claim

[02:00:10] that this is what's happening but I've not actually seen that in practice when they talk about

[02:00:14] the people right so in general right no I'm with you yeah okay so here is what God says that the

[02:00:22] people are saying a last for that day is great so that none is like it and it is the time of Jacob's

[02:00:30] trouble but right here in River City but he shall be saved out of it for it shall come to pass

[02:00:36] in that day says the Lord of hosts that I will break his yoke from your neck and will burst your

[02:00:44] bonds probably also your bubbles foreigners shall no more enslave them oh I missed an opportunity I

[02:00:51] could have said and also your cherries burst cherries okay I guess you pop cherries okay I take it back

[02:00:59] rewind take it back okay anyway burst your bonds and your bubbles foreigners shall no more enslave

[02:01:07] them but they shall serve the Lord their God and David their King whom I will raise up for them

[02:01:13] zombie David yeah that's an odd statement actually right I mean it's always been like the line of

[02:01:19] David but like these literally same David David gonna walk that's weird I mean I guess it makes sense

[02:01:25] if you're saying that you stopped the line right he's got a he's got to bring him back somehow I

[02:01:30] guess right I guess zombie David is going to be a thing huh yeah right he's gonna resurrect David

[02:01:35] as Jesus zombie David or is zombie David a Messiah still yet to come right right okay okay so

[02:01:47] I've always said that I'm scared of zombies and we have read about zombies more than once now in

[02:01:53] the Bible yeah that is a little it's got me a little bit unnerved speaking of fanfic you know like

[02:02:02] wow wow zombie David you know yeah that would be that would be a good one that would be a good one

[02:02:08] oh I wish I was a stronger storyteller that I could take all these great ideas and spin them into

[02:02:17] the novels they deserve right and that some producer would pick them up there's like a whole

[02:02:22] franchise waiting to have there really is there really is yeah we've got some good stuff here y'all you

[02:02:27] I mean you could go off on the Bible yeah yeah go ham so speak right that was rude that was rude I

[02:02:36] acknowledge that that's on me all right so zombie David coming okay yeah therefore do not fear

[02:02:42] oh my servant Jacob says the Lord nor be dismayed oh Israel for behold I will save you from a far

[02:02:50] and your seed from the land of their captivity Jacob shall return have rest and be quiet

[02:02:58] and no one shall make him afraid except for God right because you gotta always fear God

[02:03:03] you gotta be a fear to God never not be afraid yes for I am with you says the Lord to save you

[02:03:10] though I make a full end of all nations where I have scattered you yet I will not make a complete

[02:03:17] end of you I'm gonna I'm gonna blow y'all away in a tornado let your land where you land and then

[02:03:26] eventually in a few hundred years or whatever right because that's how I am yeah then I'll draw

[02:03:33] you back home yeah so don't be scared when when I'm kicking your ass and beating you up and

[02:03:40] making you go places I personally think that the fucking reset button for his people is way too close

[02:03:46] to his hand uh-huh because he hits in all the goddamn times he's got the code to the nukes and it

[02:03:53] is not okay right yeah he doesn't need like a secondary rare occasion or anything he's just oh no right

[02:03:58] like sitting there smashing that fucking button like we all recognize that this is a power that

[02:04:04] no man should have so we make it to where you both have to have like keys that you turn at the same time

[02:04:11] right right you have to have another person who verifies with a separate code word that you don't

[02:04:17] have access to like there's always at least two people that have to set these things off right but not

[02:04:24] God no he's like die-die boom and really based on his personality he really should have some sort of

[02:04:29] like a he needs fail safe like back up way of not having to hit the button all the time you know

[02:04:34] what he needs a cabinet he needs yeah first of all he needs to put his fucking bomb away into a cabinet

[02:04:40] yes but that's not the cabinet I was referring to he needs a cabinet of people a team that he has to

[02:04:47] answer to or ask his ideas by yeah yeah right and not just you know be able to just like hit no

[02:04:56] amy no amy no amy stop right you know what I mean like he needs to stop yes okay yet I will not

[02:05:03] make a complete end of you but I will correct you injustice and will not let you go all together

[02:05:09] unpunished I'm gonna bring you home but I am gonna kick your ass for a few hundred years sure

[02:05:14] don't worry you'll be okay but I feel like he's gonna have the same problems though because they've

[02:05:19] been away in a foreign land for a long time which means they're gonna pick up habits that you

[02:05:23] don't like you thought that they were doing bad god shit then right yeah it's only gonna get worse

[02:05:28] my friend yeah like God we need to have a talk I don't I don't think you're smart good I think

[02:05:35] this you're doing this correctly mm-hmm for thus says the Lord okay ready your affliction is

[02:05:42] incurable your wound is severe that means you're gonna die right I mean it sounds that way yeah

[02:05:48] you're bleeding out right there's no one to plead your cause that you may be bound up

[02:05:53] you have no healing medicines all your lovers have forgotten you that would be damn that would be

[02:06:00] the the nations close to like the outlying nation that you have to talk to the best and a allegorical

[02:06:08] way yeah they do not seek you for I have wounded you with the wound of an enemy with the

[02:06:15] chastisement of a cruel one for the multitude of your iniquities because your sins have increased

[02:06:22] why do you cry about your fucking affliction your sorrow is incurable he's like I only stabbed

[02:06:29] you a hundred times why are you crying also clean up that fucking mess yeah like I hate that guy oh

[02:06:36] yeah yeah no I mean that that's we've discussed this we even if God were real like the God and the

[02:06:41] Bible real yeah he's a dick he's a narcissist in the clinical sense right right because of the

[02:06:48] multitude of your iniquities because your sins have increased I've done these things to you

[02:06:54] you know I'm a dick I can why not right yeah therefore all those who devour you shall be devoured

[02:07:01] so I mean you suck but they suck at you obviously they'll kill them yeah I mean I'll kill

[02:07:05] them eventually but I'm gonna let him rough you up a bit I mean I made them do this thing where

[02:07:09] they took you but I told him way back when I was going to kill him when I was done so now I gotta

[02:07:15] kill him I really I could stop them but I really really like the idea of them taking your wives and

[02:07:23] raping them and that kind of thing I really like that idea you know and I like the idea of you going

[02:07:30] into slavery and losing your identity I do I'm God and that is what I like right like why why

[02:07:40] because I can because I God can yeah I was actually gonna say the exact same thing because he can

[02:07:45] right right no that's that's why we climb mountains because we can right we don't kill people just

[02:07:52] because we can but but again none of the essentially that none of this is true because it was just

[02:07:59] things were different back then right you know there was a lot of conquering happen there was a lot

[02:08:04] of fighting over lands and there was a lot of like culture wars and like literal culture wars you know

[02:08:11] and these things were much more horrific back then because it was hand-to-hand combat it was

[02:08:19] personal it was right in your face you know you didn't get to drop bombs on people and shit like

[02:08:24] that right right so this was just a reality of the time and these people are trying to explain

[02:08:30] in the way with a God that has a reason for it and there is no fucking reason for it mm-hmm

[02:08:35] just sucks it's stupid it's all dumb I hate it this bible pissing me off only because it's trying

[02:08:42] to come up with reasons it's trying to it's trying to give religious reasons to politics yes and I

[02:08:50] hate that right politics is shitty and Christianity wasn't a thing if religion in general wasn't as big

[02:08:56] of a thing I wouldn't really give a shit and there's some nice little nuggets in here you could

[02:09:01] glean about history sometimes don't murder each other that's no I didn't even mean that I meant

[02:09:06] historically okay you could learn about what happened in those days got it based on some of the

[02:09:11] information in the bible it is a it is to some extent a bit of a historical document sure you

[02:09:18] know not not in the way that we write them today right but you definitely could learn some things

[02:09:24] from it historically the way you look at the different things that we dig up in archaeology on

[02:09:30] any other culture yeah yeah yeah okay and all your adversaries every one of them shall go into

[02:09:36] captivity so the ones that took them captive captive are now going to eventually themselves yeah

[02:09:44] sometime after the 70 years who's capturing them exactly I don't know each other those who plunder

[02:09:50] you shall become plunder and all who pray upon you I will make a pray for I will restore health to

[02:09:58] you and heal you of your wounds says the Lord because they called you an outcast saying this is

[02:10:05] I on no one seeks her thus says the Lord behold I will bring back the captivity of Jacob's tents

[02:10:14] I love when Jacob pitches a tent the captivity of Jacob's tents okay all right and have mercy on his

[02:10:22] dwelling places the city shall be built upon its own mound and the palace shall remain according to

[02:10:29] its own plan okay then out of them shall proceed Thanksgiving and the voice of those who make Mary

[02:10:39] that's me make a Mary they're going to come back me like all right God finally gave us

[02:10:44] back our town do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do

[02:10:51] listen until the next time he takes away you don't you hum Tetris when you're making Mary totally

[02:10:56] yeah that's exactly what you do I will multiply them and they shall not diminish they go

[02:11:01] fuck they're gonna fuck so hard they gonna make babies right okay yeah I will also glorify them

[02:11:08] and they shall not be small okay I'm just gonna interrupt myself real quick here that if we run

[02:11:14] into some audio problems it's because there is a serious mother fucking storm brewing outside

[02:11:19] yeah and there are trees beating against our window so if we lose power I'm just letting you know

[02:11:25] in advance that that is a thing that could happen it is it is okay all right and you know maybe God

[02:11:32] strikes us well we do a fucking podcast every day oh no you know you know you waited three years

[02:11:38] right like it's not it's more than that it's almost four years you waited four years like what

[02:11:43] what was the thing that finally was one one thing too far right yeah did I say you're a dick one too

[02:11:49] many times change their children shall also wait and mess that up their children also shall be as

[02:11:57] before and their congregation shall be established before me and I will punish all who will press them

[02:12:04] oh your children will be free and stuff like that sure okay their nobles shall be from among them

[02:12:11] and their governor shall come from their midst and I will cause him to draw near and he shall

[02:12:17] approach me for who is this who pledged his heart to approach me says the Lord you shall be my people

[02:12:25] and I will be your God I forced you to agree to that remember and that's that's what we're agreeing to

[02:12:30] we're talking about the future when he releases the amount of captivity right and we're just assuming

[02:12:35] that they're going to come back and be like yay God and like take him back and like worship him

[02:12:41] and everything is going to be just wonderful right I just want to like right now right this second

[02:12:47] I want to jump into where they come back and hear that story yeah because it never fucking works

[02:12:52] out that way like how that work out for you God with your with your power of foresight right did

[02:12:57] you see it common it's never perfect there's I guarantee whenever they came back

[02:13:02] mm-hmm they were shitty again yeah there's something else that happened the people sucked the

[02:13:08] neighbors sucked the religion sucked God sucked right you know what collectively they all suck yeah I bet

[02:13:14] they still have their fucking share of pulls and shit right up all on into Babylon right and then

[02:13:21] brought him back home yeah behold the whirlwind of the Lord goes forth with fury it does right in my

[02:13:29] backyard yeah right now I feel like they really like that word whirlwind and uh in this book

[02:13:34] tumble it's been it's been used a lot uh-huh it has a continuing whirlwind it will fall violently on

[02:13:41] the head of the wicked mhm yay okay all right the fierce anger of the Lord will not return until he

[02:13:48] has done it and until he has performed the intense of his heart in the latter days you will consider it

[02:13:55] the end in the latter days L-A-T-T-E-R not like climb a ladder I got that I'm just trying to figure out

[02:14:04] what we're discussing like he's discussing when they come back right and he's like you're gonna see

[02:14:09] and we also kind of discussed a zombie David yeah and we discussed that they're all gonna love God

[02:14:14] mm-hmm and so it almost feels like this is um prophesizing the the it's almost like a Jesus

[02:14:22] prophecy only without Jesus involved that's exactly what the Christians say it was except with

[02:14:30] Jesus yeah but like it can't be right okay okay well in my opinion it cannot be right because

[02:14:38] what the prophecy is thus far with Jeremiah is that they are gonna be captive with Babylon for 70

[02:14:43] years right and the timeframe works out to where that does not mean Jesus in any way whatsoever

[02:14:48] right right and here we are talking about the return of them mm-hmm and since we're still in Jeremiah

[02:14:55] we're obviously in my opinion talking about the return from Babylon when God is gonna punish

[02:15:02] the people that took them captive and everything like that we're not talking about Jesus but it

[02:15:06] sounds very very much like the Jesus story yeah and and I see I know you're saying in your head yep

[02:15:15] that's what they they take this as the Jesus story mm-hmm but it doesn't you're saying but they

[02:15:21] shouldn't though they shouldn't there's no reason to take this as the Jesus story because

[02:15:25] they're talking about zombie David they're talking about 70 years down the line they're talking about

[02:15:29] Babylon they're talking about Israel there's nothing here that indicates that it was gonna happen

[02:15:34] 500 plus years later right at the turn of the millennia um when Jesus is around that that says

[02:15:41] nothing about that and okay we could interpret David returning right the David line could be

[02:15:49] interpreted there but I even if we even if we went that far with it right I can't get past the

[02:15:55] fact that this whole time all through Jeremiah we've been talking about a 70 year timeframe

[02:16:02] that they go into captivity and then come back and that's still what we were talking about in my mind

[02:16:06] mm-hmm until that last little bit there where I was like oh but this is like the every this is

[02:16:12] the promised land this is where everything's gonna be wonderful and the the prophet the king the

[02:16:18] the Jesus he guy yeah the David zombie are coming back and we're gonna make everything perfect

[02:16:22] well I told you when we were reading Isaiah oh that's some lightning I told you when we were

[02:16:30] reading Isaiah this is where it's starting to feel like we're getting close to the New Testament

[02:16:36] sure because this is what the Christians draw on starting with Isaiah and moving forward all of

[02:16:43] the prophets henceforth are gonna somewhat read like this and we're gonna be reading it with

[02:16:50] the lens unfortunately of knowing about about the Jesus story in so far as a very simplified version

[02:16:58] because we don't really know it we haven't read it so with the lens of knowing a bit of the Jesus

[02:17:04] story and knowing that this is what Christians are taking from it so right yeah um and and I think

[02:17:13] you know how like today we read um well what Christians will tell you to read is the New Testament

[02:17:18] they only care about the New Testament for the most part yeah that's that's the big the big book

[02:17:23] the New Testament all that stuff there that's the good stuff but they also throw in a few of the

[02:17:29] prophets and you know obviously Genesis has got to be in there and you know some other shed they skip

[02:17:34] all the middle parts though right yeah but I feel like when you know during Jesus' time because

[02:17:41] the prophets like Jeremiah and Isaiah were newer written material I feel like that was much like

[02:17:48] their New Testament yes so they drew on these writings more so than they drew on previous writings

[02:17:54] and and maybe even at the time they considered those previous writings a little bit too archaic

[02:17:59] yeah and not relevant but these newer writings were relevant and they used them to almost

[02:18:04] steal their ideas into the New Testament yeah and again we haven't read the New Testament yet so I

[02:18:09] don't know that to be 100% but it tracks but it makes some sense to me at least yeah based on some

[02:18:15] of the things we're reading then what I do know about the New Testament right so right I don't know

[02:18:21] I I cannot accept that that's about Jesus though no I don't I don't either personally I don't think

[02:18:28] it's about Jesus I'm not here to say this is about Jesus I'm here to say this is what the Christian

[02:18:34] draw on to support right saying that they prophesized Jesus sure no yeah I shouldn't even say I don't

[02:18:40] think that's about Jesus I know for a fact it's not about Jesus because I was written before Jesus

[02:18:44] was around and this fucker didn't prophesize Jesus he barely prophesized what underwear he was

[02:18:48] wearing that day yeah he could barely talk in the right manner with regard to how he talks for

[02:18:54] God yeah whatever anyway I just had to say that because I was annoyed with it but that was Jeremiah

[02:19:02] chapter 30 issues fuck was and we'll be back tomorrow which is Saturday for our Q and

[02:19:09] a Saturday and then on Sunday we I don't know what we're gonna do because we missed book club

[02:19:17] last week and that was on me I did not have enough time to prepare right so I don't know if we're

[02:19:23] gonna do book club or patreon well probably only do one because yeah honestly I think we're

[02:19:29] both a little but dragiled and worn out right now over just life and things going on it feels like

[02:19:35] we're always running to catch up yes so we'll probably only do one I'm not sure which one will do

[02:19:41] just neither honestly it'll probably be book club just because that's an easier prep and I already

[02:19:47] did part of it right so if I had to bet I would prophesize that we will do book club that makes

[02:19:55] that that and that's fine I think we can reset and kind of start from there so yeah that'll work

[02:19:59] apologies patrons yes I love you thank you so much for your support I hate that I'm leaving

[02:20:06] you hanging I will get back to you yes for sure um and then uh I will get the weekly wrap up

[02:20:12] wrap up out and then we'll back be back on Monday with Jeremiah chapter 31 I got you baby that's

[02:20:21] the one all right uh the bye bye

[02:20:32] wife um do you know today is today is Saturday yeah it's Q and a Saturday that's right and what are

[02:20:41] we queuing in a in today well technically we're covering chapters 26 through 30 of Jeremiah technically

[02:20:50] technically that's the section that we just finished sure sure that's not fully we're talking about

[02:20:56] an offshoot of that like something that was mentioned in in my notes okay that I was curious about

[02:21:02] wanted to like learn more about got it so it's not it's not that it's not but that's the stuff we're

[02:21:10] covering sort of it's a question that I had in my notes about those chapters all right sounds good

[02:21:18] you ready to get into this I am let's do this okie dokie okay so I'm gonna talk to you today

[02:21:33] about some tablets tablets huh yeah like iPads and Samsung tablets totally okay what I'm gonna

[02:21:40] talk about no no okay so do you remember in chapter 29 when that was about Jeremiah writing some

[02:21:49] letters right yeah yeah he wrote letters to them over there in Babylon that had been taken away yeah

[02:21:55] and then he wrote some letters to the people at home being like I know about what you said yeah yeah

[02:22:02] yeah so I wondered at the time like he so he just wrote a letter huh he just wrote letters right

[02:22:10] right and we kind of like glossed over it like oh okay I guess he wrote letters yeah but here's

[02:22:15] the thing diplomatic correspondence between overlords and vassals that was totally common back then

[02:22:22] in the second one em bc okay they just sent letters to each other okay whatever um another example

[02:22:29] would be letters written from Palestine to the Pharaoh like we found some of those apparently and

[02:22:35] just what that's just what they did okay yeah so they did that okay they wrote letters got it okay yeah

[02:22:42] and moreover the letters that he wrote um remember at the time we were like oh I wonder if there

[02:22:49] were naysayers over in Babylon too like if there were false prophets there amongst the people that

[02:22:54] had been kidnapped and let away right there were okay they're totally were got it so not everybody in

[02:23:00] Babylon was good right like not all the best and brightest also some of the scumiest and most

[02:23:07] lyre faced right okay yeah so that was a lie in the bible just so you know okay yeah there were false

[02:23:13] prophets there so that's what he was being like I know there's some folks over there telling you

[02:23:18] that y'all about to come home tomorrow or whatever but they're lying and y'all there for a lifetime

[02:23:23] sorry got it yeah so here's the thing there was a lot of like unrest and stuff going on around

[02:23:30] that time yeah and we had talked about how the various little nations how they felt kind of

[02:23:36] like maybe now's the time to attack Babylon right right we see cracks in the facade right sure and

[02:23:41] there was the whole they had a discussion that's what when Isaiah stopped outside of the palace or

[02:23:46] whatever Jeremiah yeah Jesus um when he stopped outside that that's what they had come to talk to

[02:23:52] the king about yeah whatever they were trying to figure out a way to maybe stop Babylon to plot

[02:23:57] against Babylon yeah yeah yeah so um there was definitely unrest okay in in the area at the time yeah

[02:24:05] okay and both Jewish prophets and Jerusalem and Babylon as I said they were predicting the end of

[02:24:12] the exile soon they were like it's bound to happen every any day now yeah because they all knew

[02:24:18] that shit was on shaky ground right okay yeah so there is a hint of the chaos that was happening

[02:24:25] in what's called the Babylonian chronicles and my ears perked up and I was like I'm sorry excuse me what

[02:24:32] Babylonian Chronicles sounds like a fucking comic book series I need to read that right

[02:24:37] so um what are the Babylonian Chronicles was my question they chronicle the Babylon yeah yeah yeah

[02:24:46] there are a collection of around 45 clay tablets so not oh they didn't use like a pyrus or

[02:24:53] anything like that they were clay tap tablets written in cuneiform okay okay yeah and I was like

[02:25:01] I must know about these I want to know everything about them what are they where are they yeah

[02:25:06] what is going on with them guys sure sure okay the chronicles provide a large portion of what we

[02:25:11] know today of current Babylonian history okay yeah and they are considered the most reliable

[02:25:19] of ancient official records which I just find astounding yeah and these texts are largely about the

[02:25:26] neo-Babalonean empire which are great interest of course to biblical scholars right for its

[02:25:33] historical involvement with the kingdom of Judah got it so it's this outside source that kind of

[02:25:39] validates some of the history that was happening sure the the politics obviously not the

[02:25:45] religiously prophet shit right right you know just the normal stuff yeah okay um they were composed

[02:25:53] by Babylonian astronomers known as chaldeans oh yeah I was like oh I didn't know that

[02:26:03] that's what the chaldeans were right yeah yeah they were they were a tribe outside of Babylon

[02:26:10] that got sucked into Babylon but they were um astrologers I see or astronomers sorry right and so

[02:26:20] they were very wise people okay that Babylon just kind of sucked into their group yeah they were like

[02:26:26] you're with us now got it they were like okay because there weren't a lot of them and you know yeah

[02:26:32] and as we saw the people that Babylon kind of sucked into their hold they were granted a fair

[02:26:39] amount of freedom I mean let's talk about how Jeremiah is telling the Babylonian exiled people go

[02:26:46] ahead and take land farmland Mary have children yeah sounds like I mean kind of even based on the

[02:26:53] Bible it sounded like they were collecting like the best and brightest right exactly and so not

[02:26:59] only were they collecting the best and brightest for their own um communities right they were also

[02:27:06] granting those people a large amount of freedom within their capture right so they were like well

[02:27:13] the bad news is you have to stay here forever the good news is we don't suck completely and all

[02:27:18] of your peers are here and you know it's kind of cool right so it would be kind of like if

[02:27:24] Google went around and like kidnapped scientists and and um like IT people and just like all the

[02:27:32] smarty smarts yeah and then locked them into the building but paid him really well and like yeah

[02:27:38] lots of food that they wanted which I kind of hear is how Google is right so imagine that Babylon

[02:27:46] is kind of Google okay like the bad news is you work 24 seven now and you're always on call but

[02:27:52] the good news is lots of benefits and lots and lots of perks and you're surrounded by bright people

[02:28:00] sure you know I mean that that that means it didn't all suck right you know it's kind of important

[02:28:06] I think yeah because when you think about being kidnapped you and we were led to believe kind of

[02:28:12] that they were led away into slavery and that's right right like those are heavy words right and

[02:28:18] they just kind of weren't got it so that's kind of important to it is still a cage but is definitely

[02:28:24] a gilded cage I'm sure they probably reserve the right to enslave certain people I'm sure they did

[02:28:29] and I'm sure especially lower class and stuff like that I'm sure that happened yeah or if you

[02:28:34] didn't contribute something to their society or whatever yeah exactly it's just this kind of paints

[02:28:38] the Babylonians in a little bit of a different light yeah and I'm not saying that going around kidnapping

[02:28:43] people is good I'm absolutely not saying that at all yeah but it is interesting how they went about

[02:28:50] strengthening their own kingdom while simultaneously cutting off surrounding kingdoms at the knees

[02:28:58] right that's interesting to me yeah okay so um the tablets were composed by Babylonian astronomers

[02:29:05] known as chaldeans and these tablets recorded major historical events okay likely drawing from even

[02:29:12] more detailed astronomical diaries I'm sorry what we'll get into that in a minute okay so hold that note

[02:29:20] because I was like their diaries about astronomy I'm sorry hello what right and there were some okay

[02:29:29] all right so the tablets were uncovered the the ones that were talking about the Babylonian ones

[02:29:33] yeah they were uncovered during 19th century excavations in Babylon so the 1800s okay they were left

[02:29:41] undecided in the archives for literal decades they found them and then just put them

[02:29:47] in a museum and more like someday I guess what I mean that happens to a lot of archaeological finds

[02:29:52] they don't know what to do with them so they they catalog until somebody does come along and

[02:29:56] actually seems really cool what is it I have no idea right well means you gotta think somebody's

[02:30:02] gotta go through all these things that people find and so who does that it's got to be an expert

[02:30:06] right so how many experts are there in the world about you know I don't know how to read those

[02:30:10] tablets Babylon and find out that apparently that's where they all are right so the first chronicle

[02:30:15] to be published ever was in 1887 okay so finally the same decade that they found them somebody came

[02:30:22] along and was like sure hey I got this and then came the next one which was about the fall of

[02:30:29] ninn it's called the fall of ninn of a chronicle okay so and that one came out in 1923 got it

[02:30:36] so no wonder the 1900s right but these are finally coming yeah I think all but three the

[02:30:44] source that I was reading said um have been with called give and provenance meaning we've been

[02:30:51] able to verify um the date and history and all of that stuff so all but three okay of the 45

[02:30:59] have been provenance which again that's so cool yeah yeah yeah so these tablets cover Babylonian

[02:31:06] history within the year 747 to 668 BC okay okay so that would have been right around the time frame

[02:31:15] that we're talking about sure um they start with king nebunessa not nebukinessa right right

[02:31:24] nebunessa who ruled Babylon from 747 to 734 BC okay and they go all the way through to a period called

[02:31:33] the parthian period or the parthian empire okay and that was a major Iranian political and cultural

[02:31:40] power in ancient Iran from 247 BC to 224 AD okay so this these tablets cover all the way into an

[02:31:55] AD period got it that's amazing they only covered to this okay I misunderstood what you said at first

[02:32:02] because you said something about the 700s to 600s they come okay hold on how did that work he's

[02:32:09] how does cover Babylonian history from king um okay so there's some history within the time period

[02:32:16] 747 to 668 BC yeah that's when it starts okay so cover some history in that period and then

[02:32:24] from there all the way through yeah sorry I misunderstood really confusing how you said that yeah

[02:32:30] it was confusing yeah yes it was confusing and I clarified it got it so anyway who's this king guy

[02:32:37] right that all of a sudden like he came on board and started recording history sure okay king

[02:32:44] nebusar I pronounced it three different ways yeah sorry his reign saw the beginning of a new era

[02:32:52] characterized by the systematic maintenance of chronologically precise historical records

[02:33:00] he's the first guy that started being like let's record some history guys right say yeah

[02:33:05] his reign also marks the reform of the Babylonian calendar okay yeah right which again you know we've

[02:33:13] got um astronomers yeah right and now we've got calendar reforms happening sure because astronomy

[02:33:21] helps us understand Calumization time right yeah it's kind of how we mark the passage of time on a

[02:33:28] large scale right right so um he his reign did history and the calendar and they introduced regular

[02:33:36] calculated months and they have some kind of 18 year cycle that they they started which I would

[02:33:44] love to learn like what did that do right right like it was just a larger period of time like how

[02:33:50] to discuss right certain time period yeah yeah and they even came up with the earliest forms of

[02:33:56] the zodiac hmm so were these astronomers or astrologists they were a mix of both okay right for

[02:34:06] the time they were astronomers because they were studying the night sky okay and they were understanding

[02:34:12] that the stars move in certain patterns and that the you know certain things affect the planet

[02:34:19] in such a way and that is ultimately zodiac is to the recognition that there are different

[02:34:25] celestial beings things in the sky at any given moment sure now yes they were also astrologers

[02:34:32] in that they assigned other meanings to those yeah so that's why I say a bit of both sure but

[02:34:39] but I mean still it's very impressive that they had that understanding back then right right so

[02:34:45] yeah um so this gets us into the astronomical diaries okay because remember I was like wait what the

[02:34:51] fuck is that right so you can see how like this is related to what we're reading but like way off

[02:34:57] yes yes definitely a rabbit hole right but I couldn't not it was so cool yeah okay you look less

[02:35:04] than impressed no i it's interesting I just you know you're just like but it doesn't have anything

[02:35:09] to it's about the history of the time right so there's a lot happening in Babylon at the time and I

[02:35:18] just find that very interesting as relates to what we're reading sure and that's the tie-in I see

[02:35:26] okay you know all right do we do we tie it in or is it we just go over this stuff I'm just curious

[02:35:32] you know not really I mean no the the tie-in is that so this stuff really was happening over there

[02:35:38] okay and here's some other things that were happening I'm just checking in case somebody was waiting

[02:35:42] for the tie-in I just don't make sure there isn't one you could stop now okay you could

[02:35:45] stop listening right now okay I mean don't because it's still interesting stuff yeah right no it

[02:35:50] doesn't get back to like this is just always an interesting that's it you went down a rabbit hole

[02:35:55] I went down a rabbit hole got lost in the rabbit hole I didn't get lost I know exactly where I am

[02:36:00] okay so the astronomical diaries yes okay they are also on clay tablets okay and they but they

[02:36:06] weren't just about stargazing okay so astronomy astrology whatever they weren't just about looking

[02:36:13] at the stars got it they tracked political happenings they made predictions based on those observations

[02:36:21] and they recorded everyday details like weather and green prices oh wow yeah so I mean it was like

[02:36:28] a newspaper right like that's so cool yeah and today all of these records are housed in the

[02:36:34] British museum huh okay we could literally go see these tablets right you know what I mean

[02:36:41] yeah that's so cool to me yeah so going back to that king guy uh-huh whose name I've pronounced

[02:36:47] three different ways now and is not Nebuchadnezzar right the original king that started all this

[02:36:51] yes tracking stuff yes he gathered the records of his predecessors all of them and he destroyed them

[02:36:59] oh thus ensuring that the history of the Chaldean kings began with him

[02:37:06] how cool is that right yeah um I mean yeah right history is written by the by the winners yeah

[02:37:13] um just to kind of put in a time place of where he was

[02:37:19] one of his contemporaries uh was the Assyrian king Tigloth Pilsar which we talked about earlier

[02:37:26] okay he's one of those Sargon guys okay um he actually became a vassal under Tigloth Pilsar

[02:37:35] so yeah okay at one point all right anyway now you know that there are clay tablets that talk about

[02:37:43] the Babylonian problems that we were seeing hinted at yeah the bible there's your tie in

[02:37:52] but what problems were they um they were political they were stretched to thin they were got it um

[02:37:59] there was unrest they they had probably picked up a little more than they could handle and right

[02:38:06] um you know that's why all of those little nations were gathered together to be late now is our time

[02:38:12] that's straight by the fire's hot got it you know there's a crack in the structure let's get them

[02:38:17] got it got it and Jeremiah was like you're not though right right they're good like

[02:38:23] you don't be foolish right you think you know a thing and you don't yeah so that was my little rabbit

[02:38:30] hole okay and well I don't know that we can actually call that a Q&A for 26 through 30 but it is

[02:38:37] our Q&A through her 2630 so hopefully you guys enjoyed the rabbit hole there and um well we did

[02:38:45] answer one question did we yeah were there false prophets amongst those who are exiled to Babylon

[02:38:53] there you go the answer is yes okay were they really writing letters yes yes they were we answered two

[02:38:59] questions we answered two questions all right okay fair enough all right well that was our Q&A for

[02:39:04] today sure as fuck was and we will be back tomorrow on Sunday with second largest book club

[02:39:11] and then I will get the weekly wrap out wrap up I can never say that right like you said it once a

[02:39:16] couple weeks did I was I impressed myself no you didn't even notice I think it's because you

[02:39:21] didn't overthink it but I noticed it because I love you got it so yeah we'll get the weekly wrap

[02:39:26] up out and then we'll be back on Monday with Isaiah chapter 3 no Jeremiah chapter 31 look you

[02:39:34] fuck me up all right guys we'll see you then bye

[02:39:43] husband wife do you know what today is well it is technically still Sunday so right that means

[02:39:49] we're doing second largest book club that's right and uh what are we book clubbing today while

[02:39:56] we are still in this book called a Treasury of Jewish folklore stories traditions legends humor wisdom

[02:40:05] and folk songs of the Jewish people edited by Nathan Aussie Bell okay we've read part one Jewish

[02:40:12] salt part two heroes and part three the human comedy got it we are currently in part four which

[02:40:20] started on page 446 that one is called tales and legends and we're gonna go over a couple things

[02:40:26] within that all right sounds good you ready to do this I am let's do it okie dokie

[02:40:41] all right so do you remember when we were covering um the ten lost tribes of Israel yes

[02:40:50] because we're in chapter three of this part okay chapter one was biblical side lights chapter two

[02:40:57] was the world to come which would be like what they're expecting right and then the ten lost tribes

[02:41:03] and that took us a little bit like whoa what is happening right and there were like all these theories

[02:41:10] about where they were and was it something we covered in book club yes yes it was in our last book

[02:41:16] club episode and it was a lengthy intro and then I also did a rabbit hole about it so we didn't

[02:41:23] actually read any stories in our last book club we learned about what these stories are about

[02:41:32] sure okay yeah now I really had a difficult time picking out just some stories that I felt would

[02:41:41] still be within the scope of our podcast yeah and didn't get like too far a stray of what we are

[02:41:48] but still kind of gave the flavor of the book and the section that were in okay yeah so I'm just

[02:41:54] prefaceing all that kind of a reminder of where we were and what we're doing sure okay yeah so there

[02:42:01] were some stories with intros about um different countries where they might be and we did discuss

[02:42:09] some of that in our last book club episode yeah one of the places was America the Native Americans

[02:42:18] and so I was like I'm not reading those stories that's just silly okay you know all right

[02:42:24] it a lot of these two are travel journals and that was like when I was

[02:42:30] in high school and my first few years of college that was my very least favorite part of literature

[02:42:37] was early American literature okay the history things this the travel journals of people

[02:42:45] you know from history now I have to say just since we're on this note that I do have a very

[02:42:50] favorite book or author I'm should I should say um who is a travel journalist and oh well yeah

[02:42:55] his name is Bill Bryson of course you guys have not checked him out you should pick up a book by

[02:43:00] I'm preferably a walk in the woods is like the especially if you're in the US great let me tell

[02:43:05] you how good this book is having just said that I don't like travel journals I'm the one

[02:43:12] that read it before husband and introduced him to right yeah and and the audio in particular is

[02:43:19] fantastic yeah he's himself and he is he's so great he's really great Bill Bryson a walk in the woods

[02:43:25] and there's another one that I really enjoyed by him that I've read he's written multiple but I've

[02:43:31] only read a couple by him but still I would I'm going to at some point in my life read more

[02:43:36] is it called a sunburn kid or something like that it's it's his travel journal from Australia

[02:43:41] country and something like that it's but it's his travel journal from Australia it's an excellent

[02:43:45] excellent book as well and I haven't read that one I've only read a walk in the woods yeah yeah

[02:43:51] and just just for the record even if you don't like travel journals yeah it's really good

[02:43:57] and he writes these journals so so well right so when I say travel journals I mean early American

[02:44:03] history yeah no I get what you which Bill Bryson is contemporary okay he's modern day he lives

[02:44:09] I just had to throw it out there because I love the guy yeah hey you know normally I'm the one

[02:44:13] talking about books yeah I'm holy shit I recommend in the book this probably deserves a spot

[02:44:18] on the bingo boy yeah right if you know you know right right yeah discord Tuesday nights at 10

[02:44:28] so what was I say oh so I skipped a lot of the nonsense ones yes what I'm getting at here um because

[02:44:35] the travel journals a they weren't interesting to me and b they were nonsense because we know better

[02:44:41] yeah so um anyway I'm gonna read one I'm gonna read the introductory note to this section

[02:44:50] the black Jews of Abyssinia okay okay and this introductory note to that starts on page 535

[02:44:59] got it okay so we are like flying through this book but not fast enough

[02:45:04] what I didn't say anything oh my god okay the history of this Jewish tribe called

[02:45:10] philasha in Abyssinia is still veiled in obscurity and any attempt to investigate its origin encounters

[02:45:19] many obstacles okay the opinion of the Abyssinians which is partly shared also by the

[02:45:26] philashes themselves is that these Jews came from Palestine to Ethiopia in the time of King Solomon

[02:45:34] and his alleged son Manalek the first okay the Ethiopian chronicles relates the queen of Shiba

[02:45:43] oh okay that right yeah yeah so you can see why I chose this one like oh I'm into this yeah

[02:45:50] somewhat relevant during her visit to him at Jerusalem conceived the son whose father was Solomon

[02:45:56] that the son was named Manalek or Ibn Nalhaqim that is to say the son of the sage and that he became

[02:46:04] the founder of the royal dynasty of Abyssinia interesting the Abyssinians have appropriated this

[02:46:11] legend which draws its origin from the biblical passages of chapter 10 of the first book of kings

[02:46:20] and from chapter nine of the second book of chronicles mentioned also in our midrashic literature meaning

[02:46:27] our the Jewish midrash yeah where reference is made to a queen of the south whom the Arabs claim as

[02:46:34] their own okay interesting I think that there was more I mean like they mentioned King Solomon

[02:46:40] so like it seems like we talked about this even outside of those books we did we did a rabbit hole

[02:46:48] on queen of Shiba because we were like they're totally getting it on they are doing it and yeah

[02:46:52] there's so many legends about that yeah and so yeah when I read this intro I was like oh so

[02:46:58] we're covering this then because we we feel like we didn't get enough we wanted to read

[02:47:03] the book no like this is definitely a story of intrigue for me that we've read through the bible like

[02:47:07] I often thought about that whole scenario with with King Solomon and the queen of Shiba is like an

[02:47:14] interesting possibility to delve into later especially knowing that he married so many yeah from

[02:47:21] different cultures and adopted their practices the queen of Shiba at that time was specifically called

[02:47:28] out in the bible in the bible which is which for a woman at all is rare and to have such a high status

[02:47:36] at that with regard to the king of Jerusalem and and Judah and everything to be referred to as a queen

[02:47:42] right yeah that was rare and very unique and then just the way it all went was very interesting we were

[02:47:47] like oh they fucking right yeah I think I was like that yeah yeah yeah I think you were like oh

[02:47:52] they're totally together and I was like they fucking okay so by this episode the avicinians

[02:47:59] establish the origin of the fallashes in their country according to them the queen of Shiba on her

[02:48:04] return to her kingdom brought along with her a large number of Hebrews such as scholars and

[02:48:11] artisans and upon the birth of her son this immigration was considerably augmented so when she

[02:48:18] took her son with her she took a bunch of Jewish people with her yeah and that's how they all got

[02:48:23] their kind of thing got it got it yeah the Exodus of these Jews from Palestine is explained in very

[02:48:30] amusing anecdotes menalic the first was raised and educated at the court of Solomon at Jerusalem

[02:48:37] and he was his father's favorite which sure he would be right yeah right wow yeah that super

[02:48:45] royalty because he was loved by his following on account of his being handsome and intelligent the

[02:48:54] Israelites fearing that he would seize the throne after the death of Solomon insisted that the boy

[02:49:00] be sent to rejoin his mother wait where did they fear that because he was not born of straight up

[02:49:06] is really decent yeah they're like this kid is smart there was a bit of xenophobia going on with that

[02:49:13] definitely okay oh yeah and they were like this kid's great get him out of here right yeah yeah um

[02:49:21] the Solomon reluctantly consented to their demand but on condition that each family be required

[02:49:28] to send its firstborn son to accompany manalek into his country and to remain there with him wow

[02:49:36] right so that's how she ended up with such a large amount of people there hypothetically yeah he had him

[02:49:42] crowned as king of Ethiopia and sent him home with a large following of thousands of Jews wow

[02:49:50] Solomon had also prepared for him a copy of the tables of the law okay right yeah yeah yeah um

[02:49:58] which the priests who formed part of his escort were to take with them okay so they were supposed to

[02:50:05] yeah but these deceived the wise king carried away the original from the temple and put the copy in

[02:50:12] its place oh damn remember how they were saying we got the original over here guys and we're like

[02:50:17] how the fuck did would it get there that's random right this this is how well we were talking about

[02:50:22] the ark at the time yeah so which they wouldn't have copied the ark they would have copied the laws

[02:50:27] right but I mean this kind of goes along with that it definitely increases the likelihood of that

[02:50:33] store in sure in so far as there is any likely that story increases that likely that story if they

[02:50:39] were carrying the Torah the law within an ark right with them which I imagine they would because maybe

[02:50:49] I'm just saying like she's got this huge thousands of Jewish people traveling and you know king

[02:50:56] of Egypt here with her you know right like he's going this away and I'm sure that it was like part

[02:51:02] of their ceremonial traveling thing that I'm imagining but I don't think you would use the arc of

[02:51:08] the covenant as the transport for a copy of the Torah you would know no no I'm saying they would

[02:51:14] have created like king Solomon what have said here's your copy of the Torah and here is your copy

[02:51:20] of an ark fanciness to carry it in you think they copied the ark huh not like copied it but

[02:51:26] duplicated like made it made a fancy carrying thing for it they had the instructions okay why have

[02:51:32] the instructions if you're not going to build enough right yeah and I think those priests want to

[02:51:37] switch it all out and take it back to Ethiopia with them but the tables of the law of Moses thus

[02:51:45] stolen from Jerusalem maybe found to this very day the Abyssinians assure us in the church of Zion at

[02:51:52] axum the ancient capital of Ethiopia and the residence of Manel like the first I am this the story

[02:52:01] still very much intrigues me with regard to the possibility that they still have this thing yes

[02:52:07] yes yeah and that we can't just walk over there and be like I just want to look at it yeah

[02:52:13] can't just cut tear off a piece and take back but if they've got yeah right yeah like this is for

[02:52:19] real Z's Moses' thing what yeah why can't anybody see it yeah it sounds to me like you're lying but

[02:52:25] whatever I mean like just let somebody in to see it that's like a you know really reliable source

[02:52:31] yeah you know just I'm not asking they open up to the public yeah somebody that's a reliable source

[02:52:36] yeah let's all pick one and be like this is the dude right okay yeah the dude

[02:52:42] an opinion which appears to be more historical is that the fallacious are the descendants of those Jews

[02:52:48] who settled in Egypt after the first exile and who upon the fall of the Persian domination on the

[02:52:54] borders of the Nile penetrated into the Sudan once they went into the western parts of the present

[02:53:01] country of Abyssinia so either way a bunch of Jews went that way's got it okay when they directed

[02:53:08] their steps toward the interior and in time after the destruction of the second temple their

[02:53:15] number was augmented by fugitives who came to join them for upon the shores of the Red Sea and in

[02:53:21] a whole of Egypt the Jews whose land had been destroyed by the Romans continued to suffer from

[02:53:28] persecution then towards the end of the fifth century of the common era the captive Jews led

[02:53:34] away from southern Arabia following the wars of the Abyssinians against the Himmia rights augmented

[02:53:43] the number of these Jews who already resided in Ethiopia okay so multiple waves of people

[02:53:49] headed that direction yeah there they formed themselves into groups then gathered in the same

[02:53:54] provinces almost in the same centers and became fused into a single and indisolable community

[02:54:03] protected by the mountains and supported by natives converted to Judaism they finally became

[02:54:09] grouped into a small independent state and this independence they maintained in several parts of the

[02:54:15] empire for hundreds of years it is approximately only since the past two centuries that the

[02:54:23] fallacious have become scattered throughout the entire extent of Abyssinia in little groups and

[02:54:29] families and today they are also met with in the most southern provinces of the empire in Chowah

[02:54:36] in the country of the Golas and even in the equatorial regions equatorial that's what I said

[02:54:43] equatorial sorry which have but recently come under the suzerain suzerity of the negues

[02:54:52] okay where they live outwardly as Christians added the moranos in Spain okay their occupation

[02:55:01] originally that of military mercenary service under the different sovereigns and later trade on

[02:55:07] the banks of the Nile and on the littoral littoral no littoral I can't say that we're properly sorry

[02:55:17] of the red sea is mainly agriculture and manual labor they are in their country almost the only

[02:55:25] people who are able to follow with any skill the trades which are practiced in Abyssinia and thanks

[02:55:32] to their skill they are on good terms with their non-Jewish compatriots patriots whatever Abyssinia

[02:55:39] needs the fallacious who furnish the articles indispensable for the maintenance of the country

[02:55:45] in Abyssinia as in many other places the masses of the people are in perfect harmony with the Jews

[02:55:51] whom they hold in esteem because of their open spirit and their industry okay okay so that was an

[02:55:59] interesting little piece of history travel guide for you okay so there was a story that was written

[02:56:10] called a visit to the fallacious which I'm not going to read okay I'm telling you about it because

[02:56:16] what I just read was the intro to this story and it's this guy he goes and he gets kidnapped

[02:56:24] and um he's just talking about the people that as he sees them and some of it's not complimentary

[02:56:33] is why I'm kind of skipping over it okay uh he's just I don't know I didn't I didn't care for

[02:56:38] that got it so we're skipping it okay we're going to a different note now and I will read the story

[02:56:45] after I read this intro okay so now we're on page 540 and this intro is called the

[02:56:52] Benny Israel Jews of Bombay okay today the Benny Israel Jews who live in the Bombay presidency of

[02:57:00] India number little more than 10,000 for the greater part they are poor and ignorant unskilled

[02:57:06] workers and are considered among the lowest cast of the population right yeah superficially

[02:57:13] there is very little to distinguish them from other Indians they bear Hindu names where

[02:57:18] Hindu clothes and speak the vernacular of the country nevertheless they consider themselves as

[02:57:24] a people apart on the Sabbath day they do not work and attend services in their synagogues

[02:57:30] the other Indians call them derisively Shunwa Talis or Saturday oilmen okay because most of

[02:57:38] the Benny Israel earned their livelihood as oil pressers and they rest on the Sabbath okay

[02:57:45] the tradition of the Benny Israel is that their ancestors had left Palestine after the invasion

[02:57:50] of Antiochus epiphanies in 175 BCE got it okay they had fled in a ship and traveled by way

[02:58:00] of Egypt and the Red Sea to India but a storm arose and they were shipwrecked on the

[02:58:07] Kunkin coast near the ancient city of Chul which is 30 miles south of Bombay okay during the shipwreck

[02:58:15] they lost their Torah scrolls oh no no that's a bummer a misfortune over which they still mourn

[02:58:23] I would be kind of be sad about that too yeah in the course of time they forgot many of the Jewish

[02:58:29] rights customs and prayers of the last they remembered only the Shema the Jewish Creed

[02:58:36] here oh Israel the Lord our God the Lord is one this they repeated an Hebrew on every religious

[02:58:44] occasion during the right of circumcision at weddings and at funerals their traditions were

[02:58:50] handed down from father to son with a stubborn fidelity despite the vicissitudes and persecutions

[02:58:56] they had to suffer since early days that their claim of having left Palestine before the dispersion

[02:59:04] has historical validity may be seen from the biblical character of some of their customs relating

[02:59:10] to birth marriage and death of the nature of the fast and feast they celebrate and of the rights

[02:59:16] and ceremonies they perform for instance they're offering a frankincense in their synagogue

[02:59:22] is identical to the right which prevailed in Palestine up to the time of destruction of the second

[02:59:28] temple it is of considerable significance that the Benny Israel remained ignorant of Hanukkah the

[02:59:36] festival of lights which was introduced by Judah Maccabeeus Maccabeeus after he resurrected the

[02:59:44] temple in 168 BCE oh okay they were also unaware of the temple's sack by Titus in 8070 okay it

[02:59:55] is interesting to note that there are two classes of Benny Israel Jews a natural consequence of

[03:00:02] the cast written social organization of the Indian people one class is called the Gora or white

[03:00:11] its members consider themselves quote the real Benny Israel the other is the Kala Israel it consists

[03:00:19] of black or Indian proselytites to Judaism of course yeah well there is no distinction

[03:00:29] me between the two groups in religious observance nonetheless intermiers between them is strictly

[03:00:36] prohibited by the Gora Israel who are pridefully determined to preserve their group purity

[03:00:42] oh my god fucking white people in recent times this division has caused a great deal of bitterness and

[03:00:49] indignation on the part of the socially inferior Kala Israel I would think so yeah just recently though

[03:00:59] no doubt the Benny Israel Jews would have disappeared long ago as a religious and ethnic culture

[03:01:05] group had it not been for the fact that many hundreds of years ago some say 500 others say 900

[03:01:13] they're appeared in the Kunkin country a half legendary character by the name of David Rahabi

[03:01:20] he taught them many of the tenants of Judaism to which in their quote naive and primitive fashion

[03:01:28] they have clung tenaciously ever since okay I thought they were clinging to them because they

[03:01:34] were formerly Jewish right but now they're saying somebody showed up and taught them right

[03:01:40] is it exactly well I think that they were holding on to whatever they remembered after having lost

[03:01:48] the stuff and then probably were like getting absorbed by the cultures around them until this

[03:01:57] visitor came around or something I don't know I don't know I mean it's another like travel journal

[03:02:04] so it's not quite yeah necessarily 100% legit right right so we're gonna read a Benny Israel

[03:02:13] circumcision party oh sounds like fives to hear about getting the skin of your dick chocolate

[03:02:20] yeah that sounded like a blast I thought our listeners would enjoy that yeah and this starts on page

[03:02:25] 541 okay a male child is circumcised on the eighth day after his birth and then he receives

[03:02:32] his name the child is circumcised by his father if he is a good operator otherwise it is circumcised

[03:02:39] by the Hazan or the reader of the synagogue or by any operator from the community okay I don't

[03:02:45] know what they mean by operator like person who can like handle the scissors good like is that what

[03:02:51] they mean I don't know like I just don't like yeah I don't know how it works like isn't it supposed to

[03:02:58] look like a wine opener kind of thing and it's just like a cigar I don't know top you know you're

[03:03:05] getting sick oh my god guys if you could just see Hazan he's turning green the operator is called

[03:03:14] mahal i.e a circumciser okay so he the circumciser is called a circumciser okay yeah

[03:03:22] the fee paid to the synagogue on the occasion varies from rupees two to five okay sure

[03:03:30] the mahal which is you know the circumciser yeah receives from rupee one to rupees two

[03:03:37] from the father of the child okay I love that they're telling us the prices

[03:03:42] yeah right it really holds no weight because it probably has changed not only that but I don't

[03:03:47] know how a rupee lines up with my dollar so it means nothing yeah in other countries the mahal

[03:03:55] receives no fee a mahal always longs to circumcise as many children as is the numerical value of his

[03:04:04] name I just lived to cut dicks I love cutting dicks I cannot wait to exercise line them up line them

[03:04:12] up chop chop chop chop chop done oh I like it that it has to the number that he does has to match

[03:04:19] the numerical value of his name yeah that's kabbalah magic number stuff yeah right you know

[03:04:25] yeah the mahal juda david ash kanazi a coach in jiu used to circumcise children in bombay both

[03:04:35] among the bany israel and other Jews without any fee the circumcision is performed either at home

[03:04:41] or in the synagogue relatives friends and acquaintances only are invited on the occasion of circumcision

[03:04:48] so it's like a real hoedown birthday party kind of thing right right yeah the evening before the day

[03:04:53] of circumcision a few men go to the place where the child is to be circumcised and place a chair

[03:04:59] near the wall at the west side do you know what the chair is for I have no idea who sits in that

[03:05:05] chair no it's not god it's his rap oh the an angel no I'll tell you I'll tell you I really thought

[03:05:14] you would remember this I remember them having an empty chair available but I can't remember exactly

[03:05:18] you'll remember this and then you'll kick yourself okay if the circumcision is to be performed in

[03:05:25] a synagogue a chair is placed to the left side of the ark in memory of a lie job the prophet

[03:05:32] oh yeah yeah he shows up at every that's right I forgot we covered that at some point in some

[03:05:39] I don't know what we're talking about it was in the Bible though yeah was it in the Bible

[03:05:43] yes what was that a deep dive into something some of it was in the Bible and then some of it was

[03:05:47] one of these stories I think actually okay yeah who is called the angel or messenger of the covenant

[03:05:54] okay that's who he is and it said to come along with the child and to be present at every circumcision

[03:06:01] got it is that Elijah or Elijah a lie job a lie job got it yeah okay a copy of the scriptures

[03:06:09] is placed upon the chair which is covered with a silk or cotton curtain left hanging from the wall

[03:06:16] a table covered with white cloth is placed at some distance from the chair and a citron

[03:06:23] and a twig of soup jaw or myrtle are placed there on and a citron is just a type of citrus fruit

[03:06:29] got it between the table and the chair dedicated to the memory of the prophet Elijah two other chairs

[03:06:36] are placed in front of each other one for the circumciser and the other for son drunk the godfather

[03:06:43] okay all right I said son drunk but it's on doc apologies I added an r where there was none right

[03:06:50] on the morning of the circumcision the child is taken in a palanquin or in a carriage

[03:06:56] to the synagogue accompanied by friends and relatives the mother remains at home as she may not

[03:07:02] enter the synagogue before the purification which takes place on the 40th day you know because

[03:07:07] her pussy still soared from having delivered she's probably glad she's probably like I

[03:07:13] want to go anyway fuck right yeah but the fact that she's not allowed pisses you know but you're taking

[03:07:17] an eight-day year old or an eight-day baby into a place and without the mom yeah seems kind of dumb

[03:07:23] like it seems seems just pointlessly cruel unnecessary yeah right well they consider her still

[03:07:31] unclean yeah well that's disgusting to me that they think that oh I agree hey agree if the circumcision

[03:07:39] circumcision is delayed owing to the child's illness you know if it catches sick in the first eight

[03:07:46] days of life right right she takes her child to the synagogue on the 40th day after the birth

[03:07:52] okay so I would be like he's sick right he can't go right now yeah right like given my husband

[03:07:59] the side eye right on the entrance of the party into the compound of the synagogue juice of

[03:08:06] hold on let me reread that on the entrance of the party into the compound of the synagogue

[03:08:12] should be a comma juice of dry grapes or raisins and a plate continuing a cup of oil and a piece

[03:08:18] of lint or some cotton are taken side are taken inside and placed on the table where two candles are

[03:08:25] lit I bet the late and cotton are to soak up that blood the child is generally carried from

[03:08:33] or to the pelonquin or the carriage into or from the synagogue by the maternal uncle so I hope

[03:08:41] mommy has a brother yeah like that like what if mommy has no brothers I'm sure they've got to back

[03:08:47] up like hierarchy that this is this is the one standing in place for the brother I don't

[03:08:53] because you know I'm just a girl yeah that's all that you'll let me be

[03:08:59] the actual ceremony is being performed according to the usual Jewish ritual you know how

[03:09:05] the usual yeah the usual we'll have the huge things yeah yeah presence are given to the child

[03:09:11] by its relatives after that child that's eight eight eight days old or even 40 days old gives a

[03:09:16] shit right right after the circumcision is over I just find that hilarious like my dick hurts but

[03:09:23] thanks for the blankie right my dick hurts but I really appreciate this new pajamas right right

[03:09:32] they are in cash or consist of ornaments of gold or silver a toss or sugar cakes are then

[03:09:39] distributed and the party breaks up some of the relatives accompany the child home where they

[03:09:44] cut the citron break a coconut or two and invoke Elijah the prophet pieces of citron and carnal

[03:09:52] are then distributed to the party a cock is killed on this occasion not a dick

[03:10:01] I had to read that's an advice yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah anyway

[03:10:07] a rooster a man hen right is killed on this occasion cooked and given to the circumciser

[03:10:15] and members of the family but the parents of the circumcised child do not partake of it okay don't

[03:10:22] eat that that's for the dick cutter like ceremony is just ceremony in general it's always so

[03:10:30] weird to me like why why do we have to stand on ceremony right what what's that for why do we do

[03:10:37] that right you know it look I get traditions and I get things like that that that somewhat makes some

[03:10:44] sense because if we want to celebrate certain things right but like I just never even modern

[03:10:51] traditions even modern ceremonies I question the validity of them because it's not there's not

[03:11:00] really a need for it it's it's making something more efficient than it actually needs to be I have

[03:11:07] always said that tradition is a lazy way of saying we can't think of a way to do it better and we

[03:11:14] don't feel like it right and I have if you enjoy a tradition I have no problem with tradition but

[03:11:19] don't pretend that it has to be done this way because that's not that's just not true like one

[03:11:25] year I wanted to get a Christmas tree one of those upside down ones that you hang from the ceiling

[03:11:30] right and everybody gave me ship for it and we're like that's not a Christmas tree that you can't do

[03:11:36] that but tradition and I'm like I'm celebrating Christmas on decorating it what the fuck is the

[03:11:42] difference right like I think it's funny and cool yeah now that I'm like super atheist hardcore

[03:11:48] and understand our ridiculous Christmas trees are even more than I already thought like now I'm

[03:11:54] even more like I wish I could go back and get that goddamn upside down Christmas tree right man

[03:11:59] yeah I would tell some people too I would be like actually it's against your religion to have one

[03:12:04] at all so you know you really shouldn't criticize mine when you're not supposed to have it in the

[03:12:09] first place right right yeah fees are demanded by the Kaji and the synagogue officers on the occasion

[03:12:17] of birth marriage and death but no registers are kept okay give me some money so basically they

[03:12:24] wander the money they're like we need some money we're not gonna actually write down what we took

[03:12:28] from you so no receipts in my pocket yeah no receipts yeah the ceremonial is the same when the

[03:12:36] circumcision is performed at home because that was all sure the synagogue yeah on the morning of

[03:12:41] the twelfth day the child is bathed and laid in a cradle with the repetition of the word bishem adonai

[03:12:48] that is in the name of God you know adonai is God yeah one or two songs are then sung to

[03:12:54] load the child to sleep and at other times a pretty lullaby is always repeated while it is being

[03:13:00] rocked to sleep but on the first occasion when the child is being put into the cradle a coconut

[03:13:05] or two are broken and their water is sprinkled on all sides and the coconut kernels and sugar

[03:13:11] are handed round to the children of the house that sounds like a dangerous idea because some people

[03:13:16] are actually allergic to coconut aren't they and if your baby happens to be allergic to coconut

[03:13:22] you might have just like killed it killed it yeah yeah sounds like bad practice to me I mean

[03:13:27] I guess you'll find out I guess so I guess so and then I guess you can yell at the circumciser

[03:13:33] and say it was his fault right right right all right I think that was what you had forced today is

[03:13:39] that correct that is what I had forced today that is correct all right so that's our book club for

[03:13:43] this Sunday I will be getting the weekly wrap up out here in just a few and then we will be back

[03:13:49] tomorrow probably a little bit later than normal but we will be back tomorrow with our Jeremiah

[03:13:56] chapter 31 all right we'll see you guys then bye

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