Cults vs Religion Part 3 (Patreon Teaser)

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[00:00:49] Do you know where we are today?

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[00:00:54] I know. We had just written out a schedule for like the next two months.

[00:00:58] And that is completely fucked.

[00:01:00] Well, I told you as soon as I wrote it, I was like, you know that this is going to be off within two days.

[00:01:04] Yeah. I feel like every time we write a schedule for our podcast, it ends up going straight down the shitter.

[00:01:09] But I mean, to be fair, it would have gone down the shitter anyway.

[00:01:12] Right, but I feel like that's, you know, like it just always seems to happen that way. Like we should never write a schedule.

[00:01:17] Ever.

[00:01:18] Ever.

[00:01:19] Anyway.

[00:01:19] Anyway.

[00:01:20] I was sick, then you were sick, but now we're on our special Patreon episode, so it's not even a real episode today.

[00:01:26] I mean, it's a real episode.

[00:01:27] I was going to say, watch your mouth.

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[00:02:52] Yes, you're right.

[00:02:53] I'm sorry.

[00:02:53] Yeah.

[00:02:54] I apologize.

[00:02:55] I always fuck that one up.

[00:02:56] Yeah.

[00:02:57] Yeah.

[00:02:57] That's okay.

[00:02:58] So...

[00:02:58] Also, this is so that you will no longer have to hear the cat scratching in her litter box

[00:03:05] in the background.

[00:03:07] Because wouldn't that be nice?

[00:03:08] Wait, why would you not hear that?

[00:03:11] If we, you know, are able to...

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[00:03:15] Which is what we want to do.

[00:03:16] Yeah.

[00:03:17] Yeah.

[00:03:19] And I think...

[00:03:20] Which happened on a recent episode.

[00:03:21] Yeah.

[00:03:21] Well, recent-ish.

[00:03:23] Yeah.

[00:03:23] So...

[00:03:24] I think that would be cool to not hear the cat scratching in the litter box in the background.

[00:03:28] Indeed.

[00:03:29] Indeed.

[00:03:31] What are we doing today on our Patreon episode?

[00:03:33] We are continuing our series on cults.

[00:03:37] Yeah.

[00:03:38] So, this is part three and probably the final?

[00:03:41] I think so.

[00:03:42] You think so?

[00:03:42] I'm about done.

[00:03:43] I'm bored of cults.

[00:03:44] You're bored of cults now?

[00:03:45] I mean, after this.

[00:03:46] After this.

[00:03:46] Yeah.

[00:03:47] Yeah.

[00:03:47] It's not boring yet.

[00:03:48] But by the time we finish this one...

[00:03:50] I'll be done.

[00:03:50] At that point, you'll be done and bored.

[00:03:53] I mean, unless through the course of our conversing while we're going over this, if something else comes up...

[00:03:59] Right.

[00:03:59] But right now, you're actually...

[00:04:01] You're really excited right now.

[00:04:02] Yeah.

[00:04:02] As it currently stands, I'm excited to get into number three and then be done.

[00:04:06] And then in about an hour, you're going to be bored.

[00:04:08] Probably.

[00:04:09] Okay.

[00:04:09] All right.

[00:04:10] Unless...

[00:04:11] Unless more excitement, you know, presents itself later.

[00:04:15] You come up with questions.

[00:04:15] Like, sometimes I can't anticipate the way our conversations go.

[00:04:18] Never.

[00:04:19] Ever.

[00:04:23] All right.

[00:04:24] Are you ready to get into cults?

[00:04:25] I am ready to finish up cults.

[00:04:28] Let's do this.

[00:04:28] Okie dokie.

[00:04:35] All right.

[00:04:36] We are getting into part three, hopefully the final part of our cults thing series.

[00:04:41] Right.

[00:04:41] Because you're going to be bored at the end of this one.

[00:04:43] So...

[00:04:44] Well, I mean...

[00:04:44] But you're excited right now.

[00:04:45] I'm bored at the end.

[00:04:45] Well, I'm excited because we might be done.

[00:04:48] Oh, okay.

[00:04:49] Pending our conversation.

[00:04:50] Yeah.

[00:04:50] Sure.

[00:04:51] Okay?

[00:04:51] Yeah.

[00:04:51] So, I thought we would pick up where we left off, which was beginning to talk about Mormonism

[00:04:57] and how it began as a cult.

[00:05:00] Yeah.

[00:05:00] Do you recall that?

[00:05:01] We kind of mentioned it.

[00:05:02] I think so.

[00:05:03] Yeah.

[00:05:03] It's been a couple of weeks.

[00:05:04] Yeah.

[00:05:04] But I mean, it makes sense that we started talking about that.

[00:05:07] Yeah.

[00:05:08] It's also known as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or LDS Church, which I

[00:05:15] honestly did not know that those were the same thing.

[00:05:19] And sometimes...

[00:05:20] Like, I think I've been told that more than once and I think I just forget it because

[00:05:24] it's so ridiculous.

[00:05:25] Like, what?

[00:05:26] Yeah.

[00:05:27] Like Mormons are LDS.

[00:05:30] What?

[00:05:30] What?

[00:05:30] My understanding was that the Mormon, you know, church basically started because Joseph

[00:05:35] Smith was trying to escape persecution.

[00:05:37] Hmm.

[00:05:38] Persecution from legitimate things he did wrong.

[00:05:40] Oh, kind of like Trump became president to avoid persecution for legitimate things he

[00:05:45] did wrong.

[00:05:45] Sure.

[00:05:45] Yeah.

[00:05:46] Wow.

[00:05:46] So, you should either...

[00:05:47] Become president and start a church.

[00:05:49] Be a prophet or a president.

[00:05:50] Yeah.

[00:05:51] Oh, well, Diddy's doing it all wrong.

[00:05:53] Jesus Christ.

[00:05:54] What?

[00:05:54] Good.

[00:05:55] All right.

[00:05:56] So, Mormons are Mormonism offers a fascinating lens to examine how religious movements may

[00:06:02] initially be perceived as cults before potentially gaining broader acceptance because it's happened

[00:06:09] like in modern life, you know?

[00:06:11] Yeah.

[00:06:11] So, we like saw it in person.

[00:06:14] Right.

[00:06:14] You know?

[00:06:14] This perception stems from several factors including its origins, practices, and societal

[00:06:21] attitudes.

[00:06:22] Okay?

[00:06:22] And there's a reason specifically why Mormonism is considered a cult by many even still today.

[00:06:30] Yeah.

[00:06:30] One is that because it was founded in 1823, which is basically yesterday in terms of like

[00:06:37] history.

[00:06:38] Right.

[00:06:38] Yeah.

[00:06:39] That's not long enough.

[00:06:40] What year was it again?

[00:06:41] 18 what?

[00:06:41] 1823.

[00:06:42] Yeah.

[00:06:42] By Joseph Smith.

[00:06:44] Yeah.

[00:06:44] He was a self-proclaimed prophet in the United States.

[00:06:47] That's another reason I'm like, come on, you cannot be...

[00:06:50] No.

[00:06:51] There's no such thing as religion that was founded in the United States unless it belongs to

[00:06:57] the indigenous peoples that already lived here, the Native Americans.

[00:07:01] What about L. Ron Hubbard?

[00:07:02] We're going to get into him too.

[00:07:04] I brought some of him along for the ride.

[00:07:06] Okay.

[00:07:07] So, the faith's origin story.

[00:07:09] So, it's not just the fact that it is such a new religion.

[00:07:13] It also has like a really wackadoodle origin story.

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