Ezekiel Chapter 18: Bible Study by Atheists

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[00:01:52] Do you remember what happened yesterday and where the hell we are today?

[00:01:56] Well, I think we had a parable wrapped in a proverb that was about an eagle that was planting seeds,

[00:02:02] but he didn't plant them very well in the one place, which was Nebuchadnezzar.

[00:02:06] And Nezzar, sorry.

[00:02:08] And to the gnar.

[00:02:09] Yeah, my bad.

[00:02:12] But so yeah, there was some planting of seeds of vines and then they grew,

[00:02:15] but they weren't grown great.

[00:02:17] And then God came back and planted more seeds after those were bad

[00:02:20] and he planted them in the high places, which was weird.

[00:02:23] Considering that we're supposed to not like the high places.

[00:02:25] Yeah, right.

[00:02:26] That was definitely weird.

[00:02:27] And then those grew better apparently,

[00:02:29] but then their neighbors had enlarged, you know, dicks.

[00:02:32] Yeah.

[00:02:33] So there's that.

[00:02:34] That was that was I mean, that's what I remember.

[00:02:36] The neighbors have big dicks.

[00:02:37] You got anything else?

[00:02:38] You're right.

[00:02:38] Yeah.

[00:02:39] So that was Ezekiel chapter 17.

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[00:03:43] So that brings us back to we just finished Ezekiel chapter 17.

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[00:03:52] 18.

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[00:05:27] All right, we are picking up with Ezekiel chapter 18.

[00:05:48] That we are.

[00:05:49] Here we go.

[00:05:50] Ezekiel chapter 18.

[00:05:51] No, Ezekiel.

[00:05:52] I know.

[00:05:53] I'm aware that that's what we want it to be.

[00:05:56] But I stated out loud so that people don't get confused as fuck when they join us for the first

[00:06:01] time ever.

[00:06:02] They're like, who the fuck's an Ezekiel?

[00:06:04] Well, I mean, I said it correctly in the intro.

[00:06:07] So hopefully they know that I'm just a Dumbo that likes to say whatever I like to say.

[00:06:11] But sometimes maybe people skip the intro.

[00:06:13] They're like, I don't really care about the intro.

[00:06:15] I want to hear the bit.

[00:06:15] Fair enough.

[00:06:16] You know, the whole the main port.

[00:06:17] Fair enough.

[00:06:17] Here's the bit.

[00:06:18] Yeah, the bit.

[00:06:19] When I say Ezekiel, it's because it's more fun than Ezekiel and I need all the

[00:06:24] fun and joy I can bring to my life in all the little ways.

[00:06:27] I mean, that's fair.

[00:06:28] Yeah.

[00:06:29] Okay.

[00:06:29] So the word of the Lord came to me as it does.

[00:06:33] Yeah.

[00:06:34] Yeah.

[00:06:34] Seems to.

[00:06:35] And me.

[00:06:36] I mean, according to the Bible.

[00:06:37] Me being Ezekiel.

[00:06:38] Right.

[00:06:38] Yeah.

[00:06:39] What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel?

[00:06:45] The parents eat sour grapes and the children's teeth are set on edge.

[00:06:50] Oh, okay.

[00:06:51] Okay.

[00:06:51] That's that's about the sins of the father visited on the child or whatever.

[00:06:56] Okay.

[00:06:56] Yeah.

[00:06:57] Okay.

[00:06:57] All right.

[00:06:58] As surely as I live declares the sovereign Lord, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel.

[00:07:05] That would be nice.

[00:07:06] I would like that.

[00:07:07] I mean, haven't we complained about how that's some unfair bullshit?

[00:07:11] Yeah.

[00:07:12] Yeah.

[00:07:12] For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child, both alike belong to me.

[00:07:19] See, I don't like the idea of bringing ownership into any relationship.

[00:07:22] I don't think you own anybody.

[00:07:23] I think that's a bad way to view a relationship between anybody, let alone a God.

[00:07:33] Like a God should be there to help us or to encourage us or to whatever.

[00:07:40] But this is not what it is.

[00:07:42] It is about ownership.

[00:07:43] Right.

[00:07:43] It is about blind worship.

[00:07:46] It is about just bowing to this deity that needs all the things because he can't fucking exist

[00:07:53] without people praising him all the fucking time.

[00:07:56] Right.

[00:07:56] I mean, even in a parent-child relationship, yeah, you might have jurisdiction over the child,

[00:08:03] but you don't own the child.

[00:08:04] The child's a fucking person who has their own feelings, their own ideas, their own thoughts.

[00:08:09] Well, I think the idea like that idea right there, that idea is where it becomes problematic

[00:08:14] because of the pseudo endorsements of slavery that are throughout the Old Testament as well.

[00:08:21] Like, you know, ownership of people is definitely a concept that they don't shy away from in this book.

[00:08:27] Right.

[00:08:27] And it bothers me.

[00:08:27] And ownership of women, children, slaves, yeah.

[00:08:31] It's all about ownership.

[00:08:32] Yeah.

[00:08:33] Ownership of land and resources.

[00:08:35] Right.

[00:08:35] The entire book is just men being greedy.

[00:08:38] It really is.

[00:08:39] Gross.

[00:08:39] Yeah.

[00:08:40] The one who sins is the one who will die.

[00:08:42] That's the Lord saying that.

[00:08:44] Unless you ask other parts of the Bible.

[00:08:46] And unless you didn't sin in his sight or something?

[00:08:50] Right.

[00:08:51] There's been plenty of stuff that, like, you know, people got smote in the beginning for,

[00:08:57] like, picking up sticks on the wrong fucking day or whatever.

[00:08:59] Right, right.

[00:09:00] And now, like, he's like, meh.

[00:09:02] Well, and people are always like, why don't the wicked get their just dues?

[00:09:08] Right, exactly.

[00:09:08] And they don't sometimes in the Bible.

[00:09:10] Yeah.

[00:09:11] And God's like, they'll get it when they die or whatever.

[00:09:13] Yeah, just, it's not for yours to know.

[00:09:16] Yeah.

[00:09:16] Woo.

[00:09:17] Suppose there is a righteous man who does what is just and right.

[00:09:21] He does not eat at the mountain shrines or look to the idols of Israel.

[00:09:26] He does not defile his neighbor's wife.

[00:09:29] Well, that's good of him.

[00:09:29] That's good of him, yeah.

[00:09:30] Or have sexual relations with a woman during her period.

[00:09:34] That's personal.

[00:09:37] I mean, that's a little bit too specific.

[00:09:39] Right.

[00:09:40] You know, like, I mean, seriously?

[00:09:42] Your wife while she was shedding her uterus.

[00:09:45] God damn you to hell.

[00:09:46] I just, I feel like they're way too preoccupied with sex.

[00:09:50] With genitalia.

[00:09:51] Yeah.

[00:09:51] Yeah.

[00:09:51] It's everywhere.

[00:09:53] Like, how about this?

[00:09:54] Don't worry about it.

[00:09:55] And if a woman wants to fuck while she's on her period and a man is down for it,

[00:09:59] or a woman for that matter is down for it, let them fuck.

[00:10:02] Why is it anybody's business?

[00:10:03] It's nobody's business.

[00:10:05] Right.

[00:10:06] Let people fuck.

[00:10:07] Except the Turks.

[00:10:08] Nobody business but the Turks.

[00:10:09] It is nobody's business but the Turks.

[00:10:12] That's what I hear.

[00:10:13] Right, yeah.

[00:10:14] Because Istanbul was-

[00:10:15] This one's Constantinople.

[00:10:16] Yeah.

[00:10:17] Yeah.

[00:10:18] He does not oppress anyone, but returns what he took and pledged for a loan.

[00:10:22] He's this good guy, you know.

[00:10:23] Okay, yeah.

[00:10:24] He does not commit robbery.

[00:10:26] Oh, I'm so glad.

[00:10:27] Like the bar is so fucking low.

[00:10:28] Yeah.

[00:10:29] But gives his food to the hungry and provides clothing for the naked,

[00:10:33] as you should do if you have resources.

[00:10:34] Sure.

[00:10:35] Give to the poor, yeah.

[00:10:36] He does not lend to them at interest or take a profit from them.

[00:10:40] He withholds his hand from doing wrong and judges fairly between two parties.

[00:10:45] So he's a right nice dude.

[00:10:47] Really interesting because they're actually

[00:10:49] harkening back to some ideas that are straight out of like Leviticus and things,

[00:10:54] which we haven't really heard them touch on in a while.

[00:10:56] Right.

[00:10:57] Like the bit about the, you know, having sex on the period and the,

[00:11:00] you know, lending at no interest.

[00:11:02] Yeah.

[00:11:03] And those things have not been talked about for quite a while.

[00:11:05] Do you guys actually even have a copy of the rules anymore?

[00:11:08] Right.

[00:11:08] Well, I mean, obviously somebody.

[00:11:09] Apparently they do.

[00:11:10] Obviously somebody does.

[00:11:11] Yeah.

[00:11:11] Yeah.

[00:11:12] He follows my decrees and faithfully keeps my laws.

[00:11:16] That man is righteous.

[00:11:17] He will surely live, declares the sovereign lord.

[00:11:20] His path is probably pretty straight.

[00:11:21] I'm guessing.

[00:11:22] It's not crooked.

[00:11:23] It's not crooked.

[00:11:23] Yeah.

[00:11:24] But he says that that dude will surely live.

[00:11:27] But I mean, unless he gets bit by a rattlesnake or gets cancer

[00:11:31] or dies in a car accident, like no, he doesn't surely live.

[00:11:35] He surely is a nice guy who probably attracts nice people to him.

[00:11:40] And thus, you know, karma helps him, you know, the more good that you are,

[00:11:46] the more good unto you.

[00:11:47] Well, I think what they're trying, I mean, like every once in a while,

[00:11:50] God or, you know, the Bible tries to say that, you know,

[00:11:53] he's going to protect those who are good.

[00:11:55] And then they're going to be given better things and they're going to do better in life.

[00:11:59] Right.

[00:11:59] Right.

[00:11:59] And I don't think it's at, because there's other points where

[00:12:02] good people have shitty things happen to them.

[00:12:04] Right.

[00:12:05] So it's not true.

[00:12:06] It's just a way for them to describe, hey, if you do this, you're going to get rewarded.

[00:12:11] Right.

[00:12:11] And now when you get right down to it, if somebody the good dies, they're going to be like,

[00:12:16] well, they're going to get rewarded in the afterlife.

[00:12:18] Or, you know, they're going to make up an excuse on the spot as to why this person died

[00:12:23] and, you know, somebody else didn't.

[00:12:25] God's ineffable plan.

[00:12:27] There is no correct answer.

[00:12:29] The answer is whatever sounds good in any given chapter is what's going on here.

[00:12:32] Right.

[00:12:33] So annoying.

[00:12:34] Yeah.

[00:12:35] Suppose he has a violent son who sheds money or I'm sorry, who sheds blood.

[00:12:39] He doesn't shed money.

[00:12:40] I need to be friends with somebody who shed money.

[00:12:42] No, he sheds blood or does any of these things, though the father has done none of them.

[00:12:47] He eats at the mountain shrines.

[00:12:50] Oh, that's kind of a bad man.

[00:12:51] That damn son.

[00:12:52] He defiles his neighbor's wife.

[00:12:54] Wow.

[00:12:55] He sounds like he wasn't raised very well.

[00:12:57] Right.

[00:12:57] I'm just saying.

[00:12:58] I know plenty of good people who did not raise their children very well.

[00:13:01] Yeah.

[00:13:02] You know?

[00:13:02] Yeah.

[00:13:02] Like just because you're a good person doesn't mean you're a good parent quite honestly.

[00:13:07] He oppresses the poor and needy.

[00:13:08] He commits robbery.

[00:13:10] He does not return what he took in pledge.

[00:13:13] He looks to the idols.

[00:13:14] He does detestable things.

[00:13:16] He lends that interest and takes a profit.

[00:13:19] Will such a man live?

[00:13:21] I mean, I don't know.

[00:13:23] He will not.

[00:13:24] Okay.

[00:13:25] All right.

[00:13:26] Because I wasn't sure what the answer was going to be because it could have gone either way.

[00:13:29] It really can go either way.

[00:13:31] I mean, honestly the answer should be don't worry about it.

[00:13:33] That's between me and him.

[00:13:35] Right.

[00:13:35] Right?

[00:13:35] But no, he's like letting you know.

[00:13:37] No way.

[00:13:37] No way.

[00:13:38] I always reward the good.

[00:13:39] I always punish the bad.

[00:13:41] You should always, always, always be good and you'll get the rewards.

[00:13:44] Right.

[00:13:45] Right.

[00:13:45] Like that's what he's trying to say right now.

[00:13:46] Yeah.

[00:13:47] Other times he's like don't worry about it.

[00:13:50] They'll get their dues at some point.

[00:13:51] They'll get theirs and you'll get yours even if you die before you see it.

[00:13:55] Yeah.

[00:13:55] Right.

[00:13:56] He will not because he has done all these detestable things.

[00:13:59] He has to be put to death.

[00:14:01] His blood will be on his own head.

[00:14:04] But suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits and though he sees them,

[00:14:12] he does not do such things.

[00:14:13] I bet.

[00:14:15] Okay.

[00:14:15] So you're a good kid but your parents sucks.

[00:14:18] Well, I have a feeling that this is going to be okay in this chapter maybe.

[00:14:22] I could be wrong but like in previous chapters,

[00:14:24] you could be punished up to like 10 generations back.

[00:14:27] Yeah.

[00:14:27] I mean like and maybe even more.

[00:14:29] I don't know.

[00:14:29] Like it was there was some crazy like punishment for the sins of your parents, parents, parents,

[00:14:35] parents.

[00:14:36] Right.

[00:14:36] And that's what God's saying not no more.

[00:14:38] I'm doing okay.

[00:14:39] Yeah.

[00:14:40] It's individual.

[00:14:41] Well, this almost sounds like they were like people were like how can we ever dig out of this?

[00:14:46] Right.

[00:14:46] You know and then.

[00:14:47] Like we're in debt of bad.

[00:14:48] And then Ezekiel is like well, God's changed his mind.

[00:14:52] It's better now.

[00:14:53] Actually.

[00:14:54] Okay.

[00:14:57] So this kid, he's so good.

[00:14:58] He does not eat at the mountain shrines or look at the idols of Israel.

[00:15:01] He does not fuck his neighbor's wife.

[00:15:04] He does not oppress anyone or require a pledge for a loan.

[00:15:07] Yeah.

[00:15:08] He does not commit robbery.

[00:15:10] He gives food to the hungry and provides clothing for the naked.

[00:15:14] He withholds.

[00:15:14] I mean we've already read all this.

[00:15:16] Yeah.

[00:15:16] He's a good guy right?

[00:15:17] He's good.

[00:15:17] Yeah.

[00:15:17] He withholds his hand from mistreating the poor and takes no interest or profit from them.

[00:15:22] He keeps my laws and follows my decrees.

[00:15:25] He will not die for his father's sin.

[00:15:29] He will surely live.

[00:15:31] That's nice.

[00:15:32] I just, I got a wonder.

[00:15:33] You're changing your mind.

[00:15:33] I got to wonder when this changed though.

[00:15:35] Like when, when was this?

[00:15:36] Did you write that down?

[00:15:37] Can I, is that the new covenant?

[00:15:38] Right.

[00:15:39] Do we believe it this year but not next year?

[00:15:41] Like what, what is this?

[00:15:42] How long is this?

[00:15:42] Right.

[00:15:43] Yeah.

[00:15:43] Is this just for Ezekiel or does this go on in other books?

[00:15:47] Is this like one of those like tax, what do they call it tax?

[00:15:52] Holidays or whatever?

[00:15:53] Were they like, you know, give, forgive something for a while and then.

[00:15:56] The year of the Tiffany or whatever it's called.

[00:15:58] I don't know what that is.

[00:15:59] No, that's not the right word.

[00:16:00] Yeah, no.

[00:16:00] No, but it was like every seven years they did a thing and then.

[00:16:04] Oh no.

[00:16:04] I was talking about like in like actual now where they get like tax holidays

[00:16:07] where you don't have to pay taxes on back taxes and stuff.

[00:16:10] That's right.

[00:16:10] That's right.

[00:16:11] Okay.

[00:16:11] So like this is like one of those tax holidays where they're like,

[00:16:13] you don't have to pay the penalties for your father's sins.

[00:16:17] But maybe next decade, you know, maybe we might pick it up next decade again.

[00:16:20] We'll revisit this.

[00:16:21] Right.

[00:16:21] Yeah.

[00:16:21] It's still on the books.

[00:16:23] We didn't erase it.

[00:16:24] We just, we just erased it for this year.

[00:16:27] Right.

[00:16:27] Yeah.

[00:16:28] But his father will die for his own sin because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother and

[00:16:35] did what was wrong among his people.

[00:16:37] Yet you ask why does the son not share the guilt of his father?

[00:16:42] No, I don't ask that.

[00:16:43] I think finally you saw sense and decided to.

[00:16:47] Yeah, it makes great sense.

[00:16:49] If you had presented this from the beginning, nobody would ask you at all.

[00:16:52] Right.

[00:16:53] We thought those other rules were ridiculous and stupid.

[00:16:55] We thought that you were kind of dumb and doing it wrong.

[00:17:00] Yeah.

[00:17:01] Although I do recall that I did some kind of deep dive in that it was early on with

[00:17:08] these smaller tribes and cultures a way of making them more conscientious.

[00:17:16] It was like pulling them together and it helped them think about what they were

[00:17:21] doing before they did it knowing that the people around them would be impacted.

[00:17:26] Okay.

[00:17:27] So it was like a way of.

[00:17:30] Of collective punishment.

[00:17:32] Collective punishment but also collective thinking out before you do something.

[00:17:38] I got you.

[00:17:38] You know?

[00:17:39] Sure.

[00:17:39] So I mean there was a place for it but like now they're building cities.

[00:17:42] It's like no get that shit out of here.

[00:17:44] Right, right.

[00:17:44] There's too many people for that.

[00:17:45] Yeah.

[00:17:46] I'm not having it.

[00:17:47] I got it.

[00:17:48] Since the sun has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees,

[00:17:52] he will surely live.

[00:17:53] Okay.

[00:17:54] The one who sins is the one who will die.

[00:17:56] Boom dead.

[00:17:58] Yeah.

[00:17:58] You fucked on the wrong day asshole.

[00:18:00] But I do think it's funny though that Ezekiel is just like rewriting the rules.

[00:18:04] Yeah.

[00:18:05] Like right here.

[00:18:06] Right here.

[00:18:07] You know.

[00:18:07] Is he seeing that God's telling him but I'm not sure about it.

[00:18:11] No.

[00:18:12] He's rewriting himself.

[00:18:12] What we are absolutely sure that God is not telling him.

[00:18:15] Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:18:16] Like God is not even in question here.

[00:18:18] Right.

[00:18:18] He's fucking rewriting the fucking rules because they want to because these make more sense.

[00:18:23] I do wonder though because isn't it that Jeremiah came after him and Jeremiah never mentioned.

[00:18:30] Only slightly.

[00:18:31] But Jeremiah never mentioned this rewriting of the rules.

[00:18:34] Right.

[00:18:35] So.

[00:18:35] Because they're not talking to the same God.

[00:18:38] Right.

[00:18:38] They're not talking to any God.

[00:18:40] Yes.

[00:18:41] They're talking to themselves and they're coming up with like they might have shared

[00:18:44] some ideas between each other.

[00:18:46] And then they went back to their respective cities and yeah.

[00:18:51] Probably Jeremiah was like dude what kind of shit are you on over there?

[00:18:54] You know the fucking wheels with the eyeballs and the what?

[00:18:57] Yeah.

[00:18:58] And you're going to lay on your side for a year and a half.

[00:19:00] What what are you doing over there?

[00:19:01] And you're rewriting the rules.

[00:19:03] I'm just trying to be a fucking double agent over here.

[00:19:05] Yeah.

[00:19:05] And you're being fucking weird man.

[00:19:08] You're being weird man.

[00:19:11] The child will not share the guilt of the parent

[00:19:14] nor will the parent share the guilt of the child.

[00:19:17] That was a long winded say of everybody's responsible for his own fucking actions.

[00:19:21] Right.

[00:19:22] The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them

[00:19:26] and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.

[00:19:30] Great.

[00:19:30] Great.

[00:19:31] Sounds sounds like a much better plan than they had originally when they were

[00:19:36] doing the long winded you know multi-generational punishments so.

[00:19:41] But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed

[00:19:45] and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right

[00:19:49] that person will surely live.

[00:19:52] They will not die.

[00:19:53] Okay.

[00:19:54] Okay so again long winded way of saying

[00:19:56] everybody's responsible for their own shit.

[00:19:58] Right.

[00:19:59] None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them.

[00:20:04] Okay.

[00:20:05] Because of the righteous things they have done they will live.

[00:20:09] Wait so they can do offenses but they're forgiven because they did more.

[00:20:13] Because they turned away from the sins and then they kept all the decrees.

[00:20:17] Maybe like the beginnings of like the forgiveness for sin and stuff like that.

[00:20:23] Interesting.

[00:20:23] Yeah we are literally seeing the but if you say sorry right quick before you die

[00:20:28] then you still get to go to heaven.

[00:20:30] It feels you know what the the Old Testament feels like a negotiation with the people that are

[00:20:35] following this God and they're like they're negotiating better ways to be right.

[00:20:41] Like they're like well we don't like that aspect so can we change that?

[00:20:44] Yeah.

[00:20:45] And like over time they slowly start changing some of this

[00:20:48] and it kind of that's how it morphs into what it ends up being right.

[00:20:52] Right.

[00:20:52] Right.

[00:20:53] It really feels like they are just changing things as they go along

[00:20:57] to make it fit better with what society at that given point wants.

[00:21:00] Right.

[00:21:01] This this is very interesting to me.

[00:21:04] I have not seen this before.

[00:21:06] Right.

[00:21:07] If you say sorry right quick before you die you still get to go to heaven and you're good.

[00:21:11] Yeah.

[00:21:11] Hey yeah.

[00:21:12] Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked?

[00:21:15] Declare is a sovereign Lord.

[00:21:17] Yes the answer is yes no matter what he says the answer is yes.

[00:21:20] The answer is always yes.

[00:21:20] Absolutely fucking yes.

[00:21:21] He loves killing people.

[00:21:23] Right.

[00:21:23] We have seen that so yeah I don't care what he says.

[00:21:26] Right I don't either.

[00:21:27] Here we go ready.

[00:21:28] Yeah.

[00:21:29] Rather am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?

[00:21:34] I'm gonna say you're disappointed because one got away from you being allowed to smite him.

[00:21:39] I'm gonna say that you look for reasons to fucking kill people.

[00:21:42] Yeah I mean.

[00:21:43] When you're not ignoring them all together.

[00:21:45] Right he's shown joy in finding reasons and ways to kill people it seems like.

[00:21:50] I mean somebody peaked at you when they were trying to carry carry your fucking box

[00:21:55] that you sat in and you know the box fell and they tried to catch it for you

[00:22:00] and they touched it and weren't supposed to.

[00:22:01] Yeah.

[00:22:02] It was a.

[00:22:03] Yeah.

[00:22:03] Yeah.

[00:22:03] Justice for Uza.

[00:22:04] That's right justice for Uza.

[00:22:06] Then another couple people peaked inside and you got pissed and smote them all over the fucking place.

[00:22:12] What the hell?

[00:22:14] And you're telling me you don't enjoy killing people?

[00:22:16] Fuck off with that I don't believe you.

[00:22:18] Yeah.

[00:22:19] If you don't enjoy killing people don't fucking kill them.

[00:22:22] Right.

[00:22:22] Particularly for dumb reasons.

[00:22:25] Yeah I agree.

[00:22:26] But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin

[00:22:31] and does the same detestable things the wicked person does will they live?

[00:22:36] Okay hold on.

[00:22:38] So there's a good person.

[00:22:40] Yeah.

[00:22:40] But then they start doing bad shit.

[00:22:43] Okay.

[00:22:43] So will they live?

[00:22:44] I'm gonna guess no.

[00:22:47] None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered.

[00:22:50] Oh so it's a matter of the order you do them in.

[00:22:53] Yeah.

[00:22:54] So if you're if you're good and then bad you're fucked.

[00:22:57] Yeah.

[00:22:58] If you're bad and then good we're cool.

[00:23:01] So that's why you have to live your best life in your 20s and 30s.

[00:23:05] Right.

[00:23:06] And then knuckle down and get serious in your 40s.

[00:23:09] Sure sure and I suppose if God forgets to smote you a couple of times

[00:23:12] you could actually be bad and then good and then bad.

[00:23:16] Right.

[00:23:16] And then good and then bad and then good.

[00:23:18] But every time.

[00:23:18] And they're still okay.

[00:23:19] Every time once you get done being bad.

[00:23:22] Right.

[00:23:22] And then you'd be good.

[00:23:24] Every time that you'd be bad after that you're it's like a Russian roulette.

[00:23:29] Yeah.

[00:23:30] I mean you're getting older.

[00:23:30] You know.

[00:23:31] You could die any minute.

[00:23:33] Right.

[00:23:33] But technically you could die any minute even when you're younger.

[00:23:35] No I know.

[00:23:36] So.

[00:23:36] I'm just saying always be bad first.

[00:23:39] Right.

[00:23:39] Never not be bad before you're good.

[00:23:44] Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed

[00:23:49] they'll die.

[00:23:51] They will die.

[00:23:52] Okay.

[00:23:53] All right.

[00:23:54] So you say God.

[00:23:55] Yeah this time.

[00:23:56] This time.

[00:23:57] Yet you say the way of the Lord is not just.

[00:24:01] I mean sometimes I do say that yeah because I don't think it is some even in Ezekiel it's

[00:24:05] been not just.

[00:24:06] Yeah.

[00:24:07] So.

[00:24:07] Yeah.

[00:24:07] Yeah.

[00:24:08] Here you Israelites is my way unjust.

[00:24:12] Is it not your ways that are unjust?

[00:24:15] If a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin they will die

[00:24:19] for it because of the sin they have committed they will die.

[00:24:22] Okay okay hold on.

[00:24:23] This fucker is literally talking about them committing sin right which could be any number

[00:24:28] of things.

[00:24:28] It could be fucking your wife on her period.

[00:24:30] Sure.

[00:24:30] You're gonna die.

[00:24:31] Right that's one of the you're gonna die.

[00:24:33] Right but the punishment is him murdering you.

[00:24:36] Yes.

[00:24:36] God is going to murder you.

[00:24:38] I'm gonna kill you.

[00:24:39] For fucking your wife on her period.

[00:24:41] I'm gonna fuck you.

[00:24:42] I'm gonna fucking kill you if you are having sex with your wife on her period.

[00:24:47] And they have the fucking nerve to call this sin and morality and what?

[00:24:53] You're going to murder me for doing this thing.

[00:24:56] Not correct me, not teach me but murder me.

[00:25:01] But even if you taught me like hey I don't like it that you're fucking your wife on her period.

[00:25:08] Right.

[00:25:10] So I didn't ask you to watch.

[00:25:12] You're not involved.

[00:25:14] I wasn't talking to you about it except when you asked.

[00:25:17] Right yeah.

[00:25:17] And even then I was kind of like hesitant because it's like none of your goddamn business.

[00:25:23] You're the one worried about it.

[00:25:25] Me and my husband were fine.

[00:25:27] So why are you worried about why do you even need to worry about me on my period?

[00:25:31] That was one of your favorite sayings when we first got together is like why do other people

[00:25:35] need to know what's going on in other people's pants?

[00:25:38] Yes.

[00:25:38] Right like it doesn't that that has no bearing on anybody.

[00:25:41] What I do with my vagina what goes in and out of it.

[00:25:44] In a consensual relationship has no bearing on anybody else.

[00:25:48] Yes.

[00:25:49] I don't understand they are so concerned about people's vaginas and penises.

[00:25:54] Very much so.

[00:25:55] Like into a very gross fashion.

[00:25:58] It really is.

[00:26:00] If it's consensual don't fucking worry about it.

[00:26:03] Right.

[00:26:04] Yeah.

[00:26:05] I mean we can have a discussion maybe about the age of consent.

[00:26:09] I think that is a discussion.

[00:26:11] Yeah.

[00:26:12] You know right.

[00:26:13] I don't think that a 14 year old is old enough to consent.

[00:26:18] No I 100% agree.

[00:26:20] A 17 year old I don't understand how suddenly their next day's their birthday

[00:26:24] and they're magically old enough to consent but I also recognize that we have to pick a line and

[00:26:32] start somewhere.

[00:26:33] Yeah sure.

[00:26:33] So I don't know but that's a discussion right.

[00:26:37] We can have what is the age of consent.

[00:26:40] But even that's a discussion too.

[00:26:41] Like do we really have to pick an age?

[00:26:43] Could it be more about in a futuristic society where we determine things by

[00:26:48] some sort of a genetic marker that's in different people that mature at different times or

[00:26:56] a psychological marker that we have the ability to...

[00:27:00] We're having the discussion of age now in this period because 18 is the best

[00:27:05] overall consensus we can come to with regard to age of consent.

[00:27:09] Right.

[00:27:09] Yeah.

[00:27:09] And but that doesn't mean that that will always be the case because we might know more about

[00:27:14] psychology or we might know more about you know different things in the future.

[00:27:17] For that matter we know that dudes brains don't stop fucking growing until they're 25 so maybe a

[00:27:23] dude can't actually consent to certain things till he's 25.

[00:27:25] There you go.

[00:27:26] How the fuck do I know?

[00:27:27] Yeah.

[00:27:27] I knew you know that there are some 25 year olds I would not give my keys to because

[00:27:33] they shouldn't be driving a goddamn car.

[00:27:37] You know?

[00:27:37] Right.

[00:27:38] Whereas my kid has been responsible enough to be driving since they were 15.

[00:27:44] 16.

[00:27:44] 16.

[00:27:45] Well they had their permit they were learning and stuff.

[00:27:49] That's true.

[00:27:49] I'm just saying they took the rules and the learning very seriously and are still

[00:27:55] one of the few people that I don't mind being a passenger in the car.

[00:27:59] Right.

[00:28:00] You know?

[00:28:00] Right.

[00:28:01] Like they drive very safe and we know that they do it even when we're not in the

[00:28:05] car because we've got one of those devices that like monitors.

[00:28:09] Yeah.

[00:28:09] You're driving on the car and it comes back 100% every week.

[00:28:13] Literally.

[00:28:14] Literally.

[00:28:14] That's without us harping on it at all.

[00:28:16] Yeah.

[00:28:17] Mostly that thing is in the car because it calls 911 automatically if they get into an accident.

[00:28:21] And that's seriously our only major concern like we're not spying on the kid or anything.

[00:28:26] Right.

[00:28:26] I just we want them to be safe.

[00:28:28] Yeah.

[00:28:29] And they are.

[00:28:31] My point being my 19 year old is a lot more responsible and trustworthy and reliable

[00:28:37] than a lot of other people who are older or younger.

[00:28:41] Right.

[00:28:41] So I don't know what the age of consent for many things should or shouldn't be.

[00:28:49] I do know it's not the same across the board and I do know that in my goddamn 40s if I'm

[00:28:55] on my period and want to fuck my husband it's not a fucking sin and I should not be made to

[00:28:59] feel guilty for it nor should my husband.

[00:29:01] Right.

[00:29:01] Right.

[00:29:01] They should not be made to feel unclean and disgusting and horrible and gross.

[00:29:06] Like I would never have mentioned it had it not come up.

[00:29:10] Yeah.

[00:29:10] Honestly I'd rather not.

[00:29:12] Right we end up having to discuss some really weird shit because of the Bible.

[00:29:15] I hate the Bible.

[00:29:16] You know.

[00:29:16] I hate it.

[00:29:17] It's crazy.

[00:29:17] I never thought I would be on a goddamn podcast publicly speaking about sex on my period.

[00:29:24] Because of the Bible.

[00:29:25] Because of the fucking Bible.

[00:29:27] And they're telling me that this guy could be good all his life but then he fucks his wife

[00:29:32] while she's on her period and nope he's a sinner he's dead.

[00:29:35] Yeah.

[00:29:35] Yeah.

[00:29:36] That's bullshit.

[00:29:37] It is.

[00:29:38] But if a wicked person turns away from the wickedness they have committed

[00:29:42] and does what is just and right they will save their life.

[00:29:45] Doesn't the fact that they have time to turn away from the wickedness

[00:29:49] kind of take away from the idea that he's going to kill people that do wicked things?

[00:29:53] Yeah.

[00:29:54] I mean you're obviously not going to take that action right away.

[00:29:57] Yeah.

[00:29:58] You're going to take it whenever you what feel like it.

[00:30:00] I mean what's.

[00:30:01] What do you mean by that?

[00:30:02] Can we get a time frame like what's the deal.

[00:30:04] What do you mean by that do you mean their soul is going to die because clearly

[00:30:07] their body doesn't.

[00:30:08] Right.

[00:30:08] Do you mean that like at some point when they die they don't go to like whatever your

[00:30:14] after party is.

[00:30:15] Right.

[00:30:15] Like what does that mean exactly.

[00:30:17] Yeah.

[00:30:18] Because that's a good point it's not like they die right away.

[00:30:20] Right.

[00:30:21] Because they consider all the offenses they have committed and turn away from them that

[00:30:26] person will surely live.

[00:30:27] They will not die.

[00:30:29] And see this is a reason that I can't be a Christian because there are things that

[00:30:34] even if I started to believe in a God.

[00:30:37] Yeah.

[00:30:37] And in an afterlife somehow let's say that those things happen.

[00:30:40] Sure.

[00:30:41] There are things that people would want me to feel guilty for that I don't that.

[00:30:47] Right.

[00:30:47] Led to the person that I am.

[00:30:49] Right.

[00:30:50] I mean I think that understanding and accepting who you were is a large part of

[00:30:56] being a healthy human being.

[00:30:57] Right.

[00:30:58] And to despair to to shame yourself for the things in your past is not

[00:31:04] healthy.

[00:31:04] And I think that's a large part of why excuse me religion in general not just

[00:31:10] Christianity but religion in general is an unhealthy practice.

[00:31:14] Yes.

[00:31:15] Because it makes people feel shameful about things that they have done or

[00:31:20] did or are going to do even like that don't necessarily require that much shame.

[00:31:26] And maybe they did do bad things I don't know but is there a point at which like you

[00:31:31] grow from it?

[00:31:32] Right.

[00:31:33] Like none of the things that I did I think are things that are bad but the

[00:31:38] Bible might.

[00:31:39] Right.

[00:31:40] And I don't think that that's a fair discussion you know.

[00:31:44] It's not right as far as you and I are concerned it's not it isn't a

[00:31:48] discussion.

[00:31:49] Right.

[00:31:49] It is you know our choices as human beings and you know we have grown from who we

[00:31:57] were in the past and we don't and we are happy with who we are.

[00:32:01] Yeah.

[00:32:01] You know and that's including the bits about who we were.

[00:32:05] Right.

[00:32:05] So I'm fine with who I was you know.

[00:32:08] I've never had to ask you for forgiveness and nor have you had to

[00:32:12] ask me for forgiveness for things that we did or said or were or.

[00:32:18] I've always kind of been in the opinion that if you like especially even with a

[00:32:21] partner right.

[00:32:22] Mm-hmm.

[00:32:22] If you have to apologize constantly to that partner or person in your life for

[00:32:28] things that you did in your past that's not a good relationship.

[00:32:31] No that's not the person for you.

[00:32:33] Right.

[00:32:33] That's a that's an unhealthy relationship in my opinion.

[00:32:35] Right.

[00:32:36] Right.

[00:32:36] So yeah and it feels like this is kind of the same relationship people

[00:32:40] have with God.

[00:32:41] Yes.

[00:32:41] You're constantly apologizing for things in your past you know.

[00:32:44] And things in your future and things in your presently you're always

[00:32:48] never not be apologizing.

[00:32:49] Right.

[00:32:50] Always fear the Lord never not be apologizing.

[00:32:53] Yeah.

[00:32:54] Like gosh when do you find time to sleep and how are you not like always depressed

[00:33:00] in trying to kill yourself from the misery that this God puts on you.

[00:33:04] Right no it's it's it's not good.

[00:33:07] It's not healthy.

[00:33:08] Right.

[00:33:08] Yet the Israelites say the way of the Lord is not just are my ways unjust

[00:33:15] people of Israel.

[00:33:16] Is it not your ways that are unjust.

[00:33:19] You just said that they say it's unjust.

[00:33:22] This is the equivalent of I'm not ugly you are.

[00:33:25] Right.

[00:33:26] Right.

[00:33:26] Yeah.

[00:33:26] Like no uh like oh good argument God.

[00:33:30] Good one.

[00:33:32] Therefore you Israelites I will judge each of you according to your own ways.

[00:33:37] I feel like if you're God you wouldn't really actually have to argue with anybody.

[00:33:41] Right.

[00:33:41] You you literally could just make those judgments and then make them happen

[00:33:45] correct like the way you want them to be done.

[00:33:47] Right.

[00:33:48] Only that doesn't happen so we're having a hypothetical argument

[00:33:51] between Israelites and the prophet who is relaying the message of God.

[00:33:55] Mm-hmm.

[00:33:55] It's this it's dumb.

[00:33:57] He's like y'all need to behave because God's gonna get you.

[00:34:01] Right.

[00:34:01] They're like is he though and he's like no he really is and they're like I don't

[00:34:06] I don't know about all this because there's some really stupid rules and he's like

[00:34:09] okay which one show me.

[00:34:11] Mm-hmm.

[00:34:11] And then they're like well what about this one and then you know Ezekiel's like all right

[00:34:16] that's fair that's fair let me let me go think about it I got I mean talk to God I gotta go.

[00:34:21] Right.

[00:34:21] And then he comes back and he's like okay I thought about it I mean God talked to me

[00:34:24] and this is what I I mean he decided.

[00:34:27] Right yeah.

[00:34:28] Like get over yourself guy.

[00:34:30] Right.

[00:34:31] All right so uh judge I will judge each of you according to your own ways

[00:34:35] declares the sovereign Lord repent turn away from all your offenses

[00:34:40] then sin will not be your downfall if you just don't sin then you won't sin.

[00:34:46] Yeah I mean that makes total sense.

[00:34:46] If you just stop sinning then you're not being a sinner.

[00:34:50] It's true.

[00:34:51] My God it's that simple.

[00:34:52] That's true.

[00:34:52] It's true.

[00:34:54] Read yourselves of all the offenses you have committed and get a new heart and a new spirit

[00:34:59] just go get one they're always on sale at Walmart you can just pick up a new heart

[00:35:05] and a new spirit I don't recommend getting them at Dollar General because then you're getting

[00:35:09] a discount heart.

[00:35:11] Right.

[00:35:11] I also don't recommend.

[00:35:12] Yeah those are hard off.

[00:35:14] Hard off.

[00:35:16] I don't recommend ordering them from Amazon because you might get a used one that somebody

[00:35:23] you know sent back in a sealed box.

[00:35:25] At the very least UPS kicked it around some.

[00:35:27] Yeah yeah so you know just go to the store get one get a new heart and a new spirit.

[00:35:34] Yeah.

[00:35:34] Will why will you die people of Israel?

[00:35:37] Generally old age or tragedy.

[00:35:40] Yeah.

[00:35:40] Generally.

[00:35:41] Generally yeah.

[00:35:42] I'm just saying.

[00:35:43] For I take no pleasure in the death of everyone of anyone sorry for I take no pleasure in

[00:35:50] the death of anyone declares the sovereign Lord repent and live that's a Christian statement

[00:35:57] if I ever heard one right repent and live yeah oh they borrowed heavily from these prophets

[00:36:05] I tell you mean the New Testament did yeah.

[00:36:06] Yeah yeah it feels like it.

[00:36:08] It's gross.

[00:36:08] I mean I've never read the New Testament but like there it feels like you can hear the

[00:36:13] Christians walking around saying this shit.

[00:36:15] Yeah no it is definitely stuff that I am aware of that exists in Christianity.

[00:36:19] Yeah yeah repent and live.

[00:36:22] Yeah.

[00:36:23] All right that's the end.

[00:36:24] Oh that was the end.

[00:36:25] That's the end.

[00:36:26] Oh okay he does not like to kill people.

[00:36:29] Repent and live.

[00:36:30] Apparent I don't believe that but apparently yeah I had a thought as we were kind of

[00:36:33] wrapping this chapter up and it revolved around the idea of the prophets.

[00:36:40] And how you know there's all these false prophets out there right yes so this was just more of like

[00:36:44] a thought that this has nothing to do with exactly with the chapter that we just read

[00:36:48] but it's more to do with the fact that we've been reading prophets for three books now right

[00:36:52] and so it feels to me like prophets are essentially what a pastor or priest would

[00:36:58] be today right and it strikes me that them reciting what God told them is essentially the

[00:37:08] same thing as the pastor creating his sermon right.

[00:37:11] Just making shit up.

[00:37:13] Yeah but to lend it authority they say this is what God told me.

[00:37:18] Yes.

[00:37:19] Right.

[00:37:19] Yes.

[00:37:19] I feel like that's all this is right this is just essentially pastors or priests

[00:37:25] walking around getting their sermon together and saying this is what God told me but only

[00:37:30] saying that because it lends authority to what they're saying.

[00:37:33] Yes.

[00:37:33] And that's all this is.

[00:37:35] Yeah.

[00:37:35] It's just a fucking sermon.

[00:37:37] Yeah.

[00:37:39] Yeah so these are people they're fun regardless of what we're talking about it's people writing

[00:37:44] this shit and a lot of it is just terrible.

[00:37:47] This particularly was a bad chapter.

[00:37:49] I mean I feel like we say that all the time.

[00:37:52] I mean yeah.

[00:37:54] So I don't know that this one is was any worse.

[00:37:57] I mean there was the chapter 14 where I fucking went off because he was talking about

[00:38:01] mass murder multiple different ways to mass murder people.

[00:38:05] He was dreaming about like I could kill him this way I could kill him that way.

[00:38:09] Right.

[00:38:09] You don't know I could stuff marshmallows down their throats and let them choke on that.

[00:38:14] You don't know for fuck's sake.

[00:38:16] I mean it's just it's crazy.

[00:38:17] Yeah.

[00:38:18] All right well that was Ezekiel chapter 18.

[00:38:21] Sure as fuck was.

[00:38:22] And we will be back tomorrow with.

[00:38:25] Ezekiel chapter 19.

[00:38:27] All right we'll see you then.

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