Ezekiel Chapter 22: Bible Study by Atheists

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[00:01:50] Spend wife do you know where the fuck we are and how the hell we got here?

[00:01:55] Well yesterday, we read Ezekiel chapter 21

[00:01:58] We did and in that chapter God polished his sword up and down and back and forth and all over the place

[00:02:05] He did yeah, and God used his sword to kill like everybody or talk about it

[00:02:12] Or yeah, he was gonna he's gonna use it to kill everybody a lot

[00:02:15] But not till he shines it up real good. He's got to polish it so good. He's got to polish his job

[00:02:20] It's gotta be done. Yeah

[00:02:22] So yeah, there was just a lot of like future killing prophecy shit happening a lot of

[00:02:29] Falick symbol. Yeah. Yeah that too. Yeah. Yep. Yep for sure

[00:02:33] So that was essentially Ezekiel chapter 21

[00:02:37] Which means that today we're getting into

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[00:05:13] All right, we are jumping into easy Kyle chapter 21 or as I like to call it a z-heel chapter 22

[00:05:24] I

[00:05:29] Have no business being alive today

[00:05:32] Yeah, so easy Kyle chapter 22

[00:05:36] I'm glad I caught that cuz I wasn't sure that

[00:05:40] Like it took me a second to process that you had got that wrong

[00:05:43] Yeah, and I'm like usually gets like a chapter wrong or like a book wrong. It's me

[00:05:48] Yeah, so remember when we were in Jeremiah and then you kept calling it Isaiah. Yeah for like halfway halfway through the book

[00:05:55] Yeah, yeah

[00:05:56] Well today I was doing my notes and I accidentally saved my notes under

[00:06:03] Genesis because I'm doing another project that is in Genesis right right and so I was like, oh my god

[00:06:09] Where am I okay? Yeah, you know one thing

[00:06:11] I gotta say I gotta check here just for a second one of the things about doing like a podcast where you do lots of fucking

[00:06:17] Material or any any project we have lots of material

[00:06:20] Yeah, you end up getting confused as to where the fuck everything is like you have to like uber organize all the folders all the places

[00:06:28] Cuz otherwise you're just like what and where is this shit? We're both ADHD kids, right?

[00:06:34] Like legit. Yeah, and yeah, it's not good. No, it's not good. No alright, but for realsies

[00:06:41] Yeah, is he kill or easy Kyle as I like to call him right chapter 22. Yes, that's the one

[00:06:47] Guess what happened?

[00:06:48] God kills people the word of the Lord came to me. Oh, that's the one

[00:06:52] That always happens. Yeah, that always happens. It sometimes it happens multiple times

[00:06:56] I think it probably will again probably son of man. Yeah, mere worm

[00:07:01] Yeah, you're human your fucking worm. Yeah fucking war you want to do that again sure go for it son of man

[00:07:06] Yeah, mere human your fucking worm

[00:07:08] Will you judge her will you judge this city of bloodshed then confront her with all her detestable practices and say

[00:07:16] This is what the sovereign Lord says

[00:07:19] Your city that brings on herself doomed by shedding blood in her midst and defiles herself by making idols

[00:07:26] You have become guilty because of the blood you have shed and have become defiled by the idols you have made

[00:07:32] You have brought your days to a close and the end of your years has come

[00:07:36] Therefore, I'm confused. Is he like saying that they're saying this?

[00:07:39] So he say I think what are you so well what he started saying is will you confront Israel with this information?

[00:07:45] So like you know how there's all the people out there

[00:07:47] You know worship in the idols and sacrificing kids and all this shit, right?

[00:07:51] And he's been bitching about it the entire yeah old testament basically

[00:07:55] But there's all these people out there doing those things, right? Yeah

[00:07:58] And he's saying to Ezekiel I guess or Ezekiel is saying it to the the old fucks that are sitting at his house or whatever

[00:08:04] The elder guys elders. Yeah

[00:08:06] He's saying will you confront them about this? Okay? I think I'm glad that you clarified that because I get really

[00:08:13] Confused as the who's speaking to whom I don't think they're always real clear about that in the Bible

[00:08:18] I will tell you that their use of

[00:08:22] Quote marks is really confusing. Yeah, no doubt

[00:08:26] Therefore I will make you an object of scorn to the nations and a laughing stock to all the countries

[00:08:32] Those he was has been saying yeah

[00:08:35] No, I know for ages those who are near and those who are far away

[00:08:39] So near and far right will mock you you infamous city full of turmoil all I can think of is a cookie monster who's like near no

[00:08:50] Who is it? It's the opposite guys opposite guys. Yeah, they go near

[00:08:55] for

[00:08:56] opposites

[00:08:58] That's what they do was that Sesame Street or something it was Sesame Street. Yes, all right and I remember was something

[00:09:04] Our kid used to watch them when they were younger so yeah from when I was a kid. That's okay

[00:09:09] Yeah, yeah

[00:09:10] See how each of the princes of Israel who are in you

[00:09:14] Uses his power to shed blood

[00:09:18] When somebody is in me they use their power to shed blood when somebody is in me

[00:09:24] They do not use their power to shed blood

[00:09:27] Yeah, I don't know okay. All right

[00:09:31] In you they have treated father and mother with contempt in you

[00:09:36] They have oppressed the foreigner and mistreated the fatherless and the widow. I I don't recall any of that specifically being recounted

[00:09:43] When they were talking about Zedekiah or any of the other previous kings specifically like there wasn't like they talked about

[00:09:49] They did bad things, but they didn't really specifically

[00:09:52] Say that it was those things until just now, right?

[00:09:56] Which is weird because this is a Zekiel talking about it from afar right when the other prophets were literally right there in

[00:10:03] They could have commented on it happening in the moment, but they didn't right

[00:10:07] So the guys that were actually in Jerusalem didn't comment it

[00:10:10] But this guy who is in Babylon is like those fucks over there

[00:10:15] Can you even believe I'd be like dude?

[00:10:16] You're seeing eyeballs and wheels and I don't know so you know

[00:10:20] I don't know if I believe your your your visions here, right?

[00:10:24] Whatever the fuck they are you have despised my holy things and desecrated my Sabbaths in

[00:10:30] You are slanderers who are bent on shedding blood always with the blood

[00:10:35] In you are those who eat at the mountain shrines and commit lewd acts damn those lewd acts

[00:10:42] I mean that means that they're fucking you know, you know what happens what God needs to do when people commit lewd acts

[00:10:49] Turn his eyes away and not worry about it. That would be ideal, but no

[00:10:53] I think he thinks you have to mass murder people for oh, yeah

[00:10:57] That would be his solution. Yeah when people

[00:11:01] That I don't want them to have in ways that I don't want them to kill them. Yes

[00:11:06] Murder is the correct godly act apparently in the Old Testament fear the Lord

[00:11:12] Never not be afraid right in you are those who dishonor their father's bed

[00:11:18] In you are those who violate women during their period where they are ceremonially unclean dishonor their father's bed

[00:11:25] Does that mean that they're sleeping with their mom?

[00:11:27] probably

[00:11:31] That's an interesting, you know

[00:11:33] Phrase that's all yeah

[00:11:36] Interesting although I guess their their mothers might not always be their mother right because there were a lot of the men had multiple

[00:11:42] Wives right so maybe it was just one of their wives

[00:11:44] Yeah, they were fucking their stepmom and that was we've run across that a couple times where that was a big deal that somebody did that to their

[00:11:50] Father's

[00:11:51] Wife you buying or whatever. Yeah, and they don't like that shit. Yeah

[00:11:55] I mean nobody wants their kid to fuck their wife

[00:11:59] Yeah, but no woman probably wants to be one of a hundred women that a guy's fucking

[00:12:03] I mean

[00:12:04] I'm just saying you know like if you look at it from that perspective that not that anybody in the Bible

[00:12:08] Gives a fuck about that right but you know to be fair to the women, right?

[00:12:13] They probably don't want to be in that situation either right. It's true like did they want it?

[00:12:18] Who knows right who knows who they wanted to fuck because nobody stopped to ask yeah

[00:12:23] In you and I mean we've already commented on

[00:12:26] Having sex with women during their period be so ick to them that they can't even well and according to God

[00:12:33] That justifies murder as well which is these things these things that we're talking about all justify murder under God's eye

[00:12:39] Apparently which is just so grotesque like don't worry about me in my period

[00:12:44] I will fuck whom I please as long as it's consent consensual you don't need to fucking worry about it

[00:12:49] Right. Yeah, like we're not supposed to like one of the ten commandments, right?

[00:12:53] Is thou shall not murder or whatever right? Yeah, but when it comes to God

[00:12:58] God can murder whoever the fuck he wants and in mass quantities of that what I'm thinking is that he would say

[00:13:04] Oh, it doesn't count as murder because I don't consider them human if they're sinners

[00:13:08] Mmm, okay. That's what I'm thinking that

[00:13:12] People would say to excuse that because then that gives them permission in their minds to go out and murder quote-unquote sinners too

[00:13:20] Yeah

[00:13:20] well as we've talked about with the you know the falling back into some Old Testament thinking in Christianity today and the

[00:13:27] You know Christian right the far way the far right

[00:13:31] It's a dangerous. It's a dangerous mantra

[00:13:34] You know it's like it's a dangerous way to think about sin as that it dehumanizes humans

[00:13:41] The second that you dehumanize humans

[00:13:43] You can grant yourself the freedom to do whatever the fuck you want to write which is some of the danger of Christian nationalism. Yeah

[00:13:50] Yeah

[00:13:51] In you one man commits a detestable offense with his neighbor's wife

[00:13:57] Another shamefully defiles his daughter-in-law and another violates his sister his own father's daughter

[00:14:05] Gemini Christmas these people just be fucking all over the place still I don't I don't feel like any of this unless it's

[00:14:12] Unless it's not consensual and even if it is not consensual

[00:14:15] I don't think death is the answer, but you know some of them definitely whatever

[00:14:20] This whole thing so fucked up, you know the whole thing is so fucked up because

[00:14:24] These are

[00:14:26] Just messy people right you know yeah, these are messy people

[00:14:30] I don't think they need to be murdered, but they definitely needed to be on an old episode of Jerry's

[00:14:35] We're still messy people

[00:14:36] But you know what we don't send people to the chair for fucking their sister you stepped on my Jerry's bringer joke. I apologize

[00:14:44] But you're right

[00:14:46] Incest is bad and you shouldn't but I don't think that murder is the correct response

[00:14:51] Right, right like let's not throw out the baby with the bath water

[00:14:54] Yeah, that's one of my favorite things trying to you know throw Rudy Giuliani in jail

[00:14:59] Right and he married his fucking cousin right you in you are

[00:15:04] Well, and Trump wants to fuck his daughter. Why I mean it seems that way. Yeah, I'm pretty fucking clear right

[00:15:10] Yeah, I mean he hasn't like said at point blank, but he's he's all but he's hinted

[00:15:15] Yeah, he's skirted around it. Oh definitely hasn't said he doesn't

[00:15:21] I mean let me just tell you this if there were rumors that I wanted to fuck somebody that was related to me in a

[00:15:27] Way that's wrong. Yeah, I would be out front of that rumor trying to do it right right and you deny in the fuck out of that

[00:15:34] Yeah, and he is not quiet, but you know what Trump doesn't deny anything

[00:15:38] That's true. He just lets things happen and then he doubles down if anything

[00:15:43] Yeah, like that's like that he hasn't said one way or another about it

[00:15:49] That kind of makes me think that it's the one thing that he knows is wrong

[00:15:52] Yeah, because he's not said one word. Oh, yeah, and that's weird for him

[00:15:58] In you are people who accept bribes to shed blood. Yeah, I mean just be like God don't need to be bribed

[00:16:06] Take a whim you just gotta do it

[00:16:08] Yeah, you take interest and make a profit from the poor you extort unjust gain from your neighbors

[00:16:16] Man that would be a rough one for today's society

[00:16:19] You know, yeah, like how do you get away from?

[00:16:23] Abusing the poor I don't know but I feel like

[00:16:28] Really, yeah, like they like say this is a God is you know

[00:16:34] America is God's country or whatever right like I don't know like everyone has adopted like this God likes America, right?

[00:16:40] Sure. He was born here Merca Merca. Yeah, but I mean there there's nothing in about this country to me that

[00:16:48] like

[00:16:49] embodies any idea of anything that remotely resembles

[00:16:54] Religion capitalism is very self-centered. You know capitalism is like the

[00:17:00] Ideal old testament God. Yeah in his worst ways, right?

[00:17:05] Not on his best day when he's writing rules that say let the poor

[00:17:11] Come along and eat from your right

[00:17:13] No, there are some there are some nice things that God has said throughout the Old Testament with regard to the poor

[00:17:19] But he's also counted those with some shitty things. Yeah, it is what it is

[00:17:23] But and you have forgotten me declares the sovereign Lord

[00:17:27] I will surely strike my hands together at the unjust gain

[00:17:32] You have made and at the blood you have shed in your midst

[00:17:36] Will your courage endure or your hands be strong in the day I deal with you

[00:17:41] I the Lord have spoken and I will do it. He's gonna do it. He's gonna kill kill people

[00:17:47] Mm-hmm

[00:17:48] I will disperse you among the nations and scatter you through the countries again still some more

[00:17:53] Okay, well at least he's only I mean he's gonna kill and scatter cuz he said both so yeah

[00:17:58] Yeah, and I will put an end to your uncleanness

[00:18:02] You can stop them fucking each other. He could according to the Bible like in the Bible

[00:18:08] He has the ability to change people's hearts. So he also has the ability to give them leprosy, right?

[00:18:16] Other forms of punishment he could enact other than murder. Um, he could pummel them with birds. He did that once

[00:18:22] Yeah, yeah, he threw snakes at him too. Oh, he did I forgot about that fire

[00:18:26] Yeah, yeah, he could open the earth and let him fall in a chasm did that too

[00:18:29] Yeah, yeah

[00:18:30] When you have been defiled in the eyes of the nations you will know that I am the Lord

[00:18:35] That's that's what I'll know when your neighbors think you are so pathetic that you can't hardly stand it

[00:18:41] You'll know that I am God. Yes, and that is the day that you will love

[00:18:46] Yeah, well who knows whatever then the word of the Lord came to me again still some more. Yep

[00:18:52] Son of man. Yeah, Mary human. Yeah fucking worm the people of Israel have come have become dross to me

[00:19:00] You know dross is the dregs. Yeah, like when you're I've heard that we've used

[00:19:05] use that word before

[00:19:07] when you're pouring

[00:19:10] Liquid like the wine or the coffee or whatever from one container to the other to get the sediment out and basically yeah

[00:19:16] Yeah, so that it's refined each time you pour it sure have less and less of the grody

[00:19:20] Yep, and then what you're left with is the the dregs. That's called the dross

[00:19:24] Got it

[00:19:25] So the people of Israel have become dross to me all of them are the copper tin iron and lead

[00:19:32] Left inside of furnace

[00:19:35] Interesting. I haven't heard them reference metal since like right since the Pentateuch. Yeah, like the Pentateuch they used like

[00:19:43] differences in metal to

[00:19:45] indicate

[00:19:46] Status and different things like that, right? Right, but I haven't heard that since the Pentateuch until just now that reminds me

[00:19:52] I was re listening to the first episode that we did Genesis chapter one

[00:19:57] Yeah, and interestingly we were discussing the fact that there was gold in the Garden of Eden

[00:20:04] Yeah, and how God was like there's gold. It's awesome and we were like why do they fucking care?

[00:20:09] They're in the garden. There's literally two humans like they don't need any one rock more than another

[00:20:16] Like where are they trading with because that's the only thing that good gold is good for in that particular like

[00:20:23] Excitement about gold right is it's value for trade. Yeah, so that right there proves that I

[00:20:30] Don't think that story was everything it was cracked up to be no no right

[00:20:34] So yes metals they are but the dross of silver

[00:20:39] Therefore this is what the sovereign Lord says is it because you have all become dross

[00:20:44] I will gather you into Jerusalem

[00:20:47] Because you have all become dross I will gather you into Jerusalem

[00:20:51] You're all nasty, so I'm gonna bring you home and put you where you want to live

[00:20:56] Like well, I've imagined he's bringing them to Jerusalem to then bring the sword or some such to kill the awful thing to them

[00:21:02] Right, okay as silver copper iron lead and tin are gathered into a furnace to be melted with a fiery blast

[00:21:11] So will I gather you in my anger and my wrath and put you inside the city and melt you there you go

[00:21:19] There it is. There's the murder that we're happy ending not in any way whatsoever, right?

[00:21:25] Right, yeah, I will gather you and I will blow on you

[00:21:28] Yeah, you will with my fiery wrath and you will be melted inside her Wow

[00:21:33] I love a good melting. I mean this is this is this pretty

[00:21:38] Interesting imagery. Mm-hmm. I haven't heard him use like melting and

[00:21:43] You know make you turn it into a furnace before that's a new one

[00:21:46] but I just can't help but still compare this to the

[00:21:51] Benedict Cumberbatch version of

[00:21:55] Sherlock when Moriarty says

[00:22:00] Like that's what I always think of when God does that right when he's getting ready to burn people

[00:22:05] Yeah, that dude that plays Moriarty. He is currently in a remake of the talented mr. Ripley

[00:22:13] Yeah, I believe it's on Hulu and it's called Ripley got it and I kind of want to watch it because I

[00:22:21] He's a good actor I love him. I would watch anything with him at this point for sure

[00:22:27] As silver is melted in a furnace

[00:22:30] So you will be melted inside her and you will know that I the Lord have poured out my wrath on you

[00:22:38] I mean, I would imagine if you melted in Jerusalem. They're not gonna know anything cuz yeah, they're dead dead

[00:22:43] Yeah, I'm melted they they know that they got melted or they knew they were being melted

[00:22:49] And then they got melted and then they knew nothing. So do you think that it's like in

[00:22:55] Indiana Jones and the that's what I was imagining this whole time

[00:22:59] When the they open the arc at the end and the dude melted well

[00:23:03] I mean if you're talking like God's talking about blowing his breathy furnace into Jerusalem and melting them off

[00:23:09] So that's kind of what I was imagining. Yeah shut your eyes, Maryam. Don't look

[00:23:14] Yeah, it seems this seems very I mean that might almost be where they got the imagery for that scene for

[00:23:20] For that that movie. I don't know possibly. I don't know but he's melting them

[00:23:24] He's definitely melt them again the word of the Lord came to me

[00:23:28] Okay, as it does. Yep, son of man. Yeah, I'm your human you fucking worm

[00:23:33] Say to the land you are a land that has not been cleansed or rained on in the day of wrath

[00:23:40] There's a conspiracy of her princes within her like a roaring lion tearing its prey

[00:23:47] They devour people take treasures and precious things and make many windows within her

[00:23:54] So first he was talking about how much the people suck and now he's talking about the leaders themselves

[00:23:59] Yeah, we talked about this a little bit last time

[00:24:02] But you know how that he they're referring to the princes which are kings actually

[00:24:07] Yes, this is that a kai essentially is who they're referring to yes

[00:24:10] But they're referring to them as princes because that's the way they speak about them in Babylon because that's where Ezekiel is right

[00:24:16] Right and they're like that's not the proper king because

[00:24:20] Because Babylon is the one who put him on the throne right right exactly

[00:24:26] But I do recall that Jeremiah

[00:24:29] Who was in Jerusalem was a lot more friendly was at a kayak and not not like yeah

[00:24:35] Not not like completely friendly with him. Um, he was

[00:24:39] Sociable with them. Yeah, like respectful or whatever right or right and he also was speaking

[00:24:45] The Lord was speaking through Jeremiah as well at essentially the same

[00:24:49] Close in time frames right? Yeah, but the way that Ezekiel talks about the kings or the princes as it is in Ezekiel

[00:24:59] Is very disrespectful and it's very disdainful right and it's very

[00:25:05] Telling that he's he's in Babylon right because I feel like this wording that he's using is coming directly from

[00:25:12] Babylon itself not from God obviously because they're God's not actually speaking to Ezekiel

[00:25:18] It's not coming from Babylonians though because Babylonians would be like no he is the king

[00:25:22] We put him on the throne. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so but the people that he's surrounded with at least right

[00:25:28] it's the the

[00:25:30] Judy

[00:25:31] Judea people the Jewish people that are in Babylon right are the ones that are like that's not our king

[00:25:37] But regardless of who he's getting this wording from

[00:25:40] It's telling that you're getting two types of

[00:25:44] Of ways that you're referring to this leader based on where they are geographically right and

[00:25:51] Do with a message from the Lord as geography somehow the Lord telegraph his message differently

[00:25:57] One guy to the other right okay?

[00:25:59] That doesn't seem that doesn't seem correct if you're a god who's trying to present a message

[00:26:05] That's consistent to your people to follow. Yeah, his message isn't very consistent. It's not it's not interesting

[00:26:10] Yeah, either that or they just wrote it down with their own agenda

[00:26:14] Which I thought they weren't supposed to do because the word the word of the Lord is you know constant or whatever the fuck ever right

[00:26:22] her priests so now we we were just talking about the

[00:26:26] Royal leadership now we're talking about a priest. Yeah do violence to my law and profane my holy things

[00:26:33] My holy things whatever they may be right. They do not distinguish between the holy and the common

[00:26:39] They teach that there is no difference between the unclean and the clean

[00:26:44] And they shut their eyes to the keeping of my Sabbaths so that I am profaned among them

[00:26:50] So those priests they fucking around ain't good. Yeah bad priest. Yep

[00:26:55] Her officials within her are like wolves tearing their prey

[00:26:59] They shed blood and kill people to make unjust gain

[00:27:03] So he what pisses me off though is that he gets mad god

[00:27:07] Gets mad at these priests and these kings and these princes and whoever

[00:27:11] For doing these awful things the awful things that he's mad at them for doing

[00:27:16] Is fucking killing people right and the way he fixes it. How does he fix it? He kills them. He fucking kills them

[00:27:23] He's like what kind of bullshit is that you're killing. I'll show you some killing. Yeah, no, it's

[00:27:29] Fucking stupid, right like that's the dumbest

[00:27:33] Way to you're killing an entire people and scattering an entire people right to punish a few people

[00:27:39] Who are doing the same fucking thing and it's all the leaders

[00:27:42] Hello, what why are you killing the followers? The people that supposedly represent you

[00:27:48] God

[00:27:49] Are the ones that are fucking over the rest of the people by telling them the wrong message according to you again in the bible

[00:27:55] It is and yet and your punishment is to kill them all

[00:27:59] Or scatter them all it's kind of like if you were to relate it to today and we talk about

[00:28:05] MAGA, right? Yeah the MAGA movement right and there's there's two people within the MAGA movement. There's the people

[00:28:13] um at the top the leadership

[00:28:16] Um the republican party leaders uh the church leaders that kind of thing

[00:28:21] Yeah, who all know better they all know better and I hate them

[00:28:24] Right and then there's the people like my parents are neighbors, you know the people down the street with the signs in their yard, right?

[00:28:33] Like

[00:28:34] I hate them

[00:28:35] But it's a different kind of hate because how could they know any better?

[00:28:40] They're merely following their leaders who have told them

[00:28:44] And it almost lends you a resigned hatred

[00:28:48] With that has like a certain amount of sympathy

[00:28:53] Mixed in with it. I would call it disappointment

[00:28:56] Disappointment like these are people that I respected sometimes and in earlier points in my life as our friends and neighbors

[00:29:02] And family members right? I was going more for the family side aspect of that like there

[00:29:06] There are friends and family members from years ago that I respected

[00:29:11] Their viewpoints on things but now that the the media has engulfed them in this

[00:29:17] cocoon of information that is directly pointing them towards this one idea

[00:29:21] They they have no way to escape that and they have no way to understand

[00:29:26] That the vitriol that they're spewing out every day with regard to their religion and their politics is so toxic

[00:29:34] That it it's not even

[00:29:37] You can't even you don't know where it's just pure. It's just fucking pure hate essentially

[00:29:42] Yeah, and if you want to have that conversation

[00:29:44] You have to convince them to come so far back

[00:29:47] From where they they are currently that it's not even something that is

[00:29:51] reasonably able to be done usually and that's why you have to

[00:29:55] Look up ways to deal with people in cults right and you have to deal with them differently

[00:30:00] You can't just present facts to them because

[00:30:03] They don't agree with

[00:30:05] Facts and if you can't even start from the sky is blue fact. Yeah, then the conversation

[00:30:12] Can't even be had

[00:30:14] So there are different ways to deal with people in cults them with just you know

[00:30:20] arguments or

[00:30:22] Discussions that you're having with somebody where you're both starting from the same point, right and where you're both

[00:30:28] Wanting the same end which is to still be friends at the end. Yeah

[00:30:32] um

[00:30:33] If the bible has done anything I will say

[00:30:37] That it has given me and i'm just realizing this as i'm saying this

[00:30:41] Yeah, if the bible has given me anything thus far it has given me the ability to separate

[00:30:47] my hatred of maga as a whole and and separate it into

[00:30:54] My hatred of the leadership and the people who know better

[00:31:00] Verses the followers. Yeah, I used to lump them into one and just hate them all equally

[00:31:06] Right but in reading this and and feeling for the people who are just following their leaders, right like i'm

[00:31:13] I'm realizing. Oh my god. I was doing the same the same thing that god is doing by

[00:31:18] Putting them all in one group and saying kill them all not that I was saying kill all the magas

[00:31:23] Jesus Christ, i'm not saying that

[00:31:26] But like that's what god is saying with these people like don't discriminate kill them all and i'm like wait

[00:31:31] But some of them are just followers and it like suddenly as just now as we're reading this

[00:31:37] I had a light bulb go off that was like

[00:31:40] Oh my god, i'm doing this maybe I shouldn't treat people like god

[00:31:43] Yeah, maybe I shouldn't be like god. Maybe I should have a little bit of empathy for

[00:31:49] The people that are just following and don't know any better

[00:31:52] Right, right. I would say you could base a pretty good moral code around not doing things like god

[00:31:57] Yeah, i'm just saying like you know if you if you wanted to create a good

[00:32:02] In my opinion a good moral code you would you would remove a lot of the things that god does to his followers

[00:32:08] I just I find it really interesting that I took the wrong lesson from this

[00:32:12] But that is somehow granted me the empathy

[00:32:15] That I was lacking. Yeah, the bible gave me empathy, but not the way it intended to right, right

[00:32:22] Wow, i'm so sorry. I'm kind of like whoa weird

[00:32:26] Okay, let me just read on now sure sure her profits. Okay, so we're still talking about leadership

[00:32:31] Her profits whitewash these deeds for them by false visions and lying divinations

[00:32:39] So wait say that one more time

[00:32:41] her fault her profits whitewash these deeds for them by

[00:32:47] False visions and lying divinations. Okay, so he said god is saying that these profits are

[00:32:54] giving false

[00:32:55] Prophecies essentially yeah, they're lying and they're they're allowing the people to

[00:32:59] Do the things that they are doing

[00:33:02] Without guilt because they're telling them that it's okay, right? Exactly

[00:33:06] But and and the question I have had all along with regard to the profits is there are tons of profits according to

[00:33:12] Every profit book that we've read thus far tons of profit, right? Yeah

[00:33:16] How the fuck is anybody supposed to tell who his god's messenger and why wouldn't god come out and

[00:33:22] Just speak to the people instead of speaking through this one fuck

[00:33:26] Who either wonders around naked in the goddamn desert or sees eyeballs on on on wheels and you know

[00:33:34] Wings and whatever the fuck you saw and like it's just craziness

[00:33:37] Why doesn't he come to all the profits?

[00:33:40] If he doesn't want to talk to the people themselves, okay, whatever you have a god complex. I get it, right?

[00:33:45] You couldn't possibly lower yourself to speak to the commoners, right?

[00:33:50] But it would show it was show an act of god to make all these profits agree

[00:33:55] Yeah, like hey, yeah, I'm gonna speak through all you fucks even if you don't currently speak for me

[00:34:00] I'm gonna make you speak for me. Yeah, that would be an amazing

[00:34:04] That would act of god. That would be a really cool act of god. Yeah. Yeah get them all on the same sheet of music

[00:34:09] Yeah, and make the stories match even right. Yeah, like is he a king or is he a prince for fuck's sake?

[00:34:15] That might make sense. Yeah, if you have to go through a messenger or messengers

[00:34:19] That would be something worthwhile

[00:34:22] Right, but this one person thing is just some bullshit because I don't trust one person anymore than I trust another person

[00:34:28] Right, thank you. You're not a prophet. You lie more over if you've got multiple people telling you the other thing

[00:34:33] You're probably gonna believe the larger portion as opposed to that one crazy fuck over there like oh, yeah

[00:34:38] That's crazy as Eek. You'll over there crazy. Zeke, you know how easy k is always talking about his goddamn four faced

[00:34:45] Guy sitting on the throne showing his dick off, right? Yeah

[00:34:49] They say so this is the prophet say yeah, this is what the sovereign lord says when the lord has not spoken

[00:34:56] Oh, they're making shit up. I'm

[00:34:59] You know those liars it's funny to me because they they being this this book the bible in general

[00:35:06] Is also making shit up, right?

[00:35:09] douchebag says what

[00:35:12] The people of the land practice

[00:35:15] Extortion and commit robbery

[00:35:17] They oppress the poor and needy and mistreat the foreigner denying them justice

[00:35:22] I looked for someone among them who would build up the wall and stand before me in the gap

[00:35:28] On behalf of the land so I would not have to destroy it, but I found no one

[00:35:33] You're fucking god and you're talking you're saying this to is he heal

[00:35:39] Like you you also said

[00:35:41] Similar things to Jeremiah like you you found no one right there was baruch that was helping jaren like who who there was

[00:35:47] That ethiopian who may or may not have been right, right? Right? What do you mean? You found no one? No one

[00:35:52] What the fuck does that mean not a one

[00:35:54] Like it makes no sense except for the ones that I found I found no one that's not what it says though

[00:35:58] Right, it just says period the end. I found no one

[00:36:01] Yeah, like then you weren't then you're a little shit on that. Yeah

[00:36:05] Yeah, so I will pour out my wrath on them and consume them consume them with my fiery anger

[00:36:13] Bringing down on their own heads all they have done declares the sovereign lord the end. Okay

[00:36:19] all right

[00:36:21] well

[00:36:22] So again

[00:36:24] more death more

[00:36:26] You know suffering god's gonna kill people and every chapter on magheta

[00:36:32] Yeah, I mean azikiel has been one of the more

[00:36:35] Wrathful books thus far. Mm-hmm. This is very that fire and grim stone on

[00:36:40] On destroying people he's gonna get you but he's gonna get you hard right right. He's gonna kill you

[00:36:47] So much right so I gotta I gotta say something real quick

[00:36:51] So like uh, this is this is kind of off subject but as we do as we do yeah

[00:36:56] So earlier today, we were I was getting ready to get our podcast going tonight and I went into discord and I was like

[00:37:03] Chatting with somebody. I was like, hey

[00:37:05] Uh, we're we're getting ready to do our podcast

[00:37:07] We're gonna be streaming on four services tonight. Like we're probably gonna blow the internet up or something. Sorry

[00:37:13] You know anyway, and then um

[00:37:16] one of our one of our fans

[00:37:18] Fern I've used their name before so I can use it again

[00:37:22] fern was like

[00:37:24] Yeah, you're why you're gonna blow things up. What are you doing?

[00:37:26] You know and I'm like ye of little faith and it occurred to me as I had written half the sentence that I was like

[00:37:32] Wait, yeah, that actually applies to us

[00:37:34] But so I tacked on an lol and and fern was like, yeah

[00:37:38] I am what?

[00:37:41] Like that tracks you have said the truth right and then yeah

[00:37:45] Yeah, hi fern. Yeah, right. Yeah

[00:37:47] Yeah

[00:37:49] All right. Um, so that uh before we get out of this

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[00:38:52] And I think that is all we have unless you had any notes to go over or anything like that

[00:38:56] I have no notes for this no notes

[00:38:58] Yeah, just a lot of death. It'd be a lot of death. Yeah. All right. Well, that was ezekiel chapter 22

[00:39:04] Sure as fuck was which means that tomorrow we will be back with ezekiel chapter 23

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