Ezekiel Chapter 4: Bible Study BY Atheists

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[00:01:48] Do you remember what happened yesterday and where the hell we are today? Well yesterday started with Ezekiel

[00:02:00] being fed a scroll by God and

[00:02:04] And and God said yeah

[00:02:09] Yes, he did yes, he did and then God decided that he was gonna turn Ezekiel's forehead into flint

[00:02:16] Mm-hmm, and then

[00:02:19] the Ezekiel spent some time

[00:02:21] flying around in a crazy

[00:02:23] four-headed angel

[00:02:25] Carriage or something to go to different places wheels that have eyes all the way down. Yeah. Yeah

[00:02:31] And then God helped lift Ezekiel up in the planes and he saw God in the planes

[00:02:37] And and then go here go there

[00:02:40] Yeah, and then sit down and then he bound and then God bound it

[00:02:44] Ezekiel up in his house like in change for seven days or something

[00:02:49] Tie them up like a move. Yeah. I mean just crazy shit is going on right like Ezekiel is is really just it's like

[00:02:57] It's nothing. I should take drugs to read this like this is this is like I mean this is like a trip

[00:03:04] This is this is something something's happening

[00:03:06] This is not like any of the books that we've read before not at all

[00:03:10] It's fun, but in a why is this in the bible kind of way? Yeah totally

[00:03:14] I I don't quite understand what is I mean I do kind of understand what's going on. Yeah, but holy shit. What is going on?

[00:03:25] So uh

[00:03:26] That being said that was Ezekiel chapter three sure as fuck was which means that today

[00:03:31] We're getting into Ezekiel chapter four. All right. Let's do this oki-doki

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[00:05:20] All right, so we are jumping into easy kyle

[00:05:25] Chapter four z keel. It's easy kyle. Oh my god. Look yesterday when I said it several people

[00:05:32] Said that they enjoyed it. I I know and by several people. I mean one person said that they enjoyed it

[00:05:38] Right. Yeah, so that's all I needed

[00:05:41] easy kyle chapter four and

[00:05:43] Um just to kind of catch us up on where we were

[00:05:47] um god had been

[00:05:50] Telling him that he's gonna have some tough

[00:05:53] road to hoe road to hoe. Yeah ahead of him sure so

[00:05:58] Um, he's about to get going. Okay. All right. Yeah, I closed my window accidentally. Okay. Here. I am. Sorry nothing

[00:06:05] There you are here. I am okay. So god is talking ready. I'm ready now son of man

[00:06:11] You know you mere human mere human. Yes. Yeah know your place

[00:06:15] Take a block of clay and put it in front of you and draw the city of jerusalem on it

[00:06:22] Make a map, you know, okay. Okay. All right. He's setting him up

[00:06:25] He's about to tell him you're gonna do some shit with that map that i'm telling you to have him smash it

[00:06:30] No, oh he's gonna set up a game board. Oh, okay

[00:06:34] Then like monopoly, but drus is this like drusal monopoly?

[00:06:37] Yes, so draw the city on this clay thing and then lay siege to it

[00:06:42] Okay, okay erect siege works against it build a ramp up to it set up camps against it and put

[00:06:49] battering rams around it then take an iron pan place it as an iron wall

[00:06:55] Between you and the city and turn your face toward it. It will be under siege and you shall be seize it

[00:07:02] This will be a sign to the people of israel

[00:07:05] Okay, okay. So this this piece of clay that you're building let me let me uh

[00:07:10] Interrupt the broadcast here to give you a little bit of what are we we're doing arts and crafts time now with god

[00:07:16] Indeed we are okay. So following god's command is ekeel performs a sign act. Okay. This is um

[00:07:23] He's about to like remember when jeremiah had to wear the yoke

[00:07:27] And it was as a sign

[00:07:29] Right, so this is what he's having ekeel act out. Okay, he makes his profits do these

[00:07:36] physical shows these displays

[00:07:39] Of here's a thing that's gonna happen and this is you know kind of what it'll look like right, right? Yeah

[00:07:45] So it's a symbolic representation of the siege of jerusalem

[00:07:50] And we're gonna see the resulting famine that will come. Okay. All right

[00:07:54] So is ekeel

[00:07:56] Enacts the siege of jerusalem by first drawing a map on a clay

[00:08:01] Uh tablet or brick. Okay, and then building a model of the siege apparatus like god said and circling the model city

[00:08:08] And finally sets up an iron plate as a wall between the city and himself

[00:08:13] Facing the city to start the siege of it. Okay. Sure. So

[00:08:17] Um when he says block of clay

[00:08:20] It's also in other translations referred to as a tablet a tile or a brick. Okay. Okay. All right. So that's where we're at

[00:08:28] Got it. Yeah. All right, so

[00:08:31] To continue on god is still speaking. Okay, uh-huh and he says

[00:08:35] Um then lie on your left side and put the sin of the people of israel upon yourself

[00:08:42] Okay, and i'll explain what that means momentarily sure. Okay. You are to bear their sin

[00:08:48] For the number of days you lie on your side

[00:08:52] Again, i'll explain that in a minute. Okay. Sure. Sure. I have assigned you the same number of days as the years of their sin

[00:09:00] So for every day that you're lying there that represents one year that they were fuckers

[00:09:06] I'm gonna base this on how much god doesn't like the israelites and what they do

[00:09:10] That guy's gonna be laying there for quite a while. He does

[00:09:14] He is and he does that is correct

[00:09:17] I have assigned you the same number of days as the years of their sin

[00:09:21] So for three hundred and ninety days. Holy shit. That's over a year

[00:09:28] You will bear the sin of the people of israel now hang on before you think it's done because that's just israel

[00:09:35] Okay, okay after you have finished this

[00:09:39] Lie down again this time on your right side

[00:09:43] And bear the sin of the people of juda

[00:09:46] I have assigned you 40 days a day for each year. Oh my god, right?

[00:09:52] Turn your face toward the siege of jerusalem and with baird arm

[00:09:57] Prophecy against her

[00:09:59] I will tie you up with ropes so that you cannot turn from one side to the other

[00:10:04] Until you have finished the days of your siege. Is there gonna be somebody like feeding him like what's gonna happen?

[00:10:10] We'll get there in a minute like god gonna be like floating mana into his mouth or something

[00:10:15] These are great questions, which are kind of but not really answered

[00:10:19] Okay, all right. So you're asking great questions. I mean, I'm just like what is going like first

[00:10:24] He's doing arts and crafts with a clay block and now now he's gonna like bind him up for over a year

[00:10:31] Yes a year and a half. Yes, okay, so let's talk about those three hundred and ninety years and then those 40 years

[00:10:37] Yeah, right. So many different explanations have been given for these

[00:10:42] 390 years like where'd you pull that number from right? Yeah, it is thought to signify the

[00:10:48] 390 years of pre-sege punishment for israel in the land

[00:10:53] Okay, sure and that they pulled out from leviticus chapter 26

[00:10:57] And i'm assuming we're like israel we're talking about the other tribes that weren't really part of juda

[00:11:03] Like the whole bit in like kings and chronicles where that part was separate, right?

[00:11:08] Yes, that's exactly what i'm about to get to. Yeah, you are right on track buddy

[00:11:12] All right

[00:11:13] Okay, when you add the years of the reigns of the kings of juda from rahubulam to zedekaya

[00:11:20] As recorded in first and second kings you have a total of 394 years

[00:11:26] Now since during three of the years of his reign rahubulam walked with god

[00:11:31] According to second chronicles. Yeah, you end up with a number very close to azekiel's 390 years 391

[00:11:39] Okay, you know all right, so he's I guess he's caught him slack by one day. Got it. Got it. Yeah

[00:11:44] However, the greek text the septuagent. Yeah has 190 years

[00:11:50] Okay

[00:11:51] That's significantly different that is very different and i don't know

[00:11:55] What the math is like why maybe somebody later went back and like actually did the math on

[00:12:01] The kings and chronicles and stuff. Yeah, they're like no we need to change this up

[00:12:04] Yeah, that's what i'm thinking because it was originally written in hebru not greek. So

[00:12:09] Yeah, that that would be my thing. Okay. Um now the 40 days signifies the 40 years of post siege punishment for juda

[00:12:17] In exile and that comes from numbers chapter 14

[00:12:21] See, I think he should have got more time for that because god didn't like them prior to that

[00:12:25] That's why he was starting to punish them in the first place. So yeah, but whatever whatever

[00:12:29] I guess he didn't officially punish them

[00:12:31] And so the siege right but israel split it off earlier than juda. So regardless of what the numbers are

[00:12:37] Israel should get the larger number

[00:12:39] Whatever those numbers are no, I agree with that

[00:12:42] I mean based on based on the type of calculations we're making here with regard to

[00:12:47] Lion on your side for a year and a half or whatever the fuck we're doing

[00:12:51] Exactly. Okay, so we're gonna read further now

[00:12:54] But I just I felt like I had to explain what those years were because um in my notes

[00:13:00] I was like hang on hang on hang on right and I had to like go back and you know, see what that was about

[00:13:06] Sure, so okay. So continuing on god is talking to zikil again. Okay. All right take we and barley

[00:13:14] Beans and lentils mill it and spelt

[00:13:17] Put them in a storage jar and use them to make bread for yourself

[00:13:22] You are to eat it during the 390 days that you lie on your side

[00:13:26] Motherfucker's gonna eat nothing but bread

[00:13:29] Yes, okay way out 20 shekels of food to eat each day and eat it at set times

[00:13:37] Also measure out a six of a hint of water and drink it at set times. Okay. Look look look look

[00:13:45] So, okay, you're talking about a year and a half. Okay

[00:13:49] 400 and some days worth of lying on your side 430 days of lying on your side, right bound by god

[00:13:56] Apparently you cannot get up from there

[00:14:00] Where are you storing it like what are you doing with all this food? Where is it? Hang on? How is that happening?

[00:14:05] I don't understand how this is gonna work. We're gonna get there. Are we we are okay kind of does god like push it to

[00:14:12] Um or something no hang on. Okay. All right. All right

[00:14:16] So to continue eat the food as you would a loaf of barley bread

[00:14:20] Bake it in the sight of the people using human excrement for fuel

[00:14:25] Oh, the lord said in this way the people of israel will eat defiled food among the nations where I will drive them

[00:14:33] Okay, so let's let's go to the notes a minute. Sure. Sure. So ezekiel acts out the role

[00:14:39] Of jerusalem citizens eating meager rations of food to symbolize famine

[00:14:45] Even baking cakes over dung to emphasize the severity of what's to come. Okay. Yeah, so but let's talk about what the

[00:14:51] Fuck is millet and spelt. Well, millet is like a seed or like a

[00:14:56] Yeah, well, he named a whole bunch of things like beans and barley and all that shit

[00:15:00] And then he said millet and spelt those were considered inferior kinds of wheat. Oh, okay to make it

[00:15:07] Last longer and and to dole out the nutrients further. I see. Okay. Kind of like putting a

[00:15:14] salt

[00:15:16] Salt us in your food. You know, yeah, I've never done that

[00:15:19] But you know, that's a thing when people don't have a lot of choices to make the food go further

[00:15:25] Sure. Okay. So, okay. Let's talk about what the fuck is 20 shekels of food like what even is that right?

[00:15:32] Yeah, said measure that out. Sure

[00:15:34] 20 shekels is about eight ounces

[00:15:37] Which is the ration of bread

[00:15:39] per person per day

[00:15:41] Which is to show the great scarcity of bread. So it's supposed to be like a bite or two of bread

[00:15:47] representation of like the rations that the israelis are dealing with or whatever that they're going to have

[00:15:52] Oh, they're going to have yeah. Okay. All right. Got it. So he's like you're basically going to be acting this out in front of them

[00:15:59] Okay, yeah, and then so let's talk about what is a sixth part of a hint

[00:16:04] Sixth, you know, I hate that word. I cannot say it

[00:16:08] It's about two-thirds of a quart

[00:16:11] Which is the daily water ration

[00:16:14] That is going to symbolize the they're restricted access to water. Okay. Okay

[00:16:19] So he's going to have barely any water

[00:16:21] And only like a bite or two of bread every day for a year and a half. Okay. Yeah

[00:16:27] And what um

[00:16:29] The what's going to happen to his, you know crap like what's when he takes a shit?

[00:16:34] What's gonna happen in a minute? We are well, okay?

[00:16:36] So remember he said and bake it over human excrement. Oh, so he's going to use his shit to cook make the fire

[00:16:42] Yeah, but we're going to talk more about that in a minute for now. Let's just talk about the food itself. Okay. All right

[00:16:47] so

[00:16:48] um

[00:16:49] scholars and

[00:16:50] Apologists say that obviously

[00:16:53] He had to be able to move because he's been ordered to prepare this food and measure out these items for himself

[00:17:00] So it's very likely that he only

[00:17:03] slept there at night

[00:17:06] On his side, but it said he was bound like it said he was bound during those time periods. Yes

[00:17:11] Okay, so he either did that at night like he slept outdoors

[00:17:15] or

[00:17:16] He had set hours during the day

[00:17:18] That he had to perform this and then he would you know go back into his house because he was doing this

[00:17:23] Outside in front of everybody. Oh, right. Okay because the whole point is that they see him

[00:17:28] Right because he's symbolizing to the people that this is what you guys are going to go through

[00:17:33] Yeah, and so he has to be doing it in front of them

[00:17:35] So he's probably either outside his house or like in the town square or whatever. Got it. Okay

[00:17:42] So he's either doing it at night, which I don't think is right because I don't think as many people would have seen him

[00:17:47] more likely he did it during the day for set hours and then he would go back home

[00:17:52] And you know prepare right his measurements, right? Okay. Okay, so

[00:17:57] remember he was told to

[00:17:59] Um use human excrement that would have been his poop

[00:18:02] Yeah to as feel for the fire to bake the bread, right? Okay. Yeah, so okay

[00:18:07] So then we're going back to reading now and azekiel's talking now. Okay, then I

[00:18:12] Azekiel said

[00:18:14] Not so sovereign lord. Uh, I have never defiled myself from my youth until now

[00:18:21] I have never eaten anything found dead or torn by wild animals. No impure meat has ever entered my mouth

[00:18:30] So he's like the fuck i'm not doing that right. No, it sounds crazy

[00:18:35] You're ordering me to break your rules that have been like for centuries things that we have followed

[00:18:41] I don't think that's right. Do you want to rephrase god?

[00:18:44] But if you are truly a prophet and god is truly talking to you

[00:18:49] Do you really like this is one of those things where I questioned in the past because

[00:18:53] Earlier on in the bible if you questioned god, you were fucked as fuck. Yeah

[00:18:58] Yeah, like that's not a thing you wanted to do

[00:19:01] So I have to I have to wonder about these prophets that are like questioning god yesterday

[00:19:07] Three times in a row you fell on your fucking face

[00:19:10] You were so shocked at the side of them and today you're like whoa, whoa, whoa

[00:19:14] You let this fucker put a scroll down your goddamn throat, right? I mean small or something something. Yeah, he told you today something

[00:19:22] Yeah, so

[00:19:23] Um, I'm just telling you what it says. Okay. So I agree with you. Yeah, so then god says very well

[00:19:32] I will let you bake your bread over cow dung

[00:19:35] Instead of human excrement. Okay, so he didn't you know entirely say no poop. He was just like fine fine fine

[00:19:42] I won't make you use human poop, which would be

[00:19:46] Part of the defilement. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah, he then said to me son of man

[00:19:52] You know, yeah mere fucking human right? Yeah, I am about to cut off the food supply in Jerusalem

[00:19:58] The people will eat rationed food in anxiety and drink rationed water in despair

[00:20:04] For food and water will be scarce

[00:20:07] They will be appalled at the side of each other and will waste away because of their sin

[00:20:12] The end I mean we saw that in I mean so I mean this is technically happening

[00:20:17] Like this is supposed to be a prophecy prior to the Babylonian exile exactly

[00:20:22] Well, he is in the early wave of the Babylonian exile before the final way

[00:20:29] Right, right, but this is prior to the starvation and all that stuff they described

[00:20:33] Yeah, um, I think it was at the end of Jeremiah where we heard some of that correct. So but you know

[00:20:40] So I have to believe that this was actually written

[00:20:43] After after right and not a prophecy. It's a backdated fill in right. Yeah, but um

[00:20:50] It's just it it's really

[00:20:53] This is really weird. Yeah, like this whole this whole book so far has been really really fucking weird

[00:21:00] It's been fun though. It has been fun

[00:21:02] But like I'm questioning the sanity of this person, you know

[00:21:05] Like the zikyles does not seem like a sane human being is not lending legitimacy to this at all

[00:21:11] No, I mean

[00:21:12] I feel like this this he must have been like the

[00:21:16] The the drug outcast like he was he was like, oh there goes a ziky. Oh, he's

[00:21:21] Man, you he's weird. Yeah, he's he's on something man. I don't know what it is

[00:21:26] Like no wonder when Jeremiah finally came around later. They were like, no, fuck this

[00:21:30] We've had enough of you fucking prophets

[00:21:33] Y'all are full of shit like literally right. Yeah, but no, but Jeremiah would have been separate though

[00:21:38] Jeremiah was over in Jerusalem. This guy was over in Babylon, right? That's true. So I mean, they wouldn't have been

[00:21:44] necessarily

[00:21:46] that if

[00:21:47] Jeremiah was a

[00:21:49] secret double agent for Babylon

[00:21:52] He might have come up and talked with zikyles. Sure. I'm not saying their paths might have crossed

[00:21:57] I'm sure that their paths probably did cross

[00:22:00] But I I think this guy

[00:22:03] Is just like I mean, this is some really really nutty stuff happening

[00:22:07] No, I agree and the whole the being bound for a year and a half thing

[00:22:12] Like if this was truly something that would that that had happened

[00:22:16] Like that's just I I can't even imagine

[00:22:19] Being a person witnessing this thing happen like what is wrong with this guy?

[00:22:23] Well remember was it Isaiah that had to walk around naked? But then they were like, but it wasn't really naked

[00:22:29] He was just in his sackcloth undies. Right, but that was out in the desert and he was alone

[00:22:34] You know like that at least that's the impression I got from that one. I thought he had to walk around naked in town

[00:22:39] No, it was in the desert. Was it? Yeah. Oh, yeah, it was in the desert. I don't remember so

[00:22:43] Um, well, let me tell you about fire a little bit. Okay. Sure before we

[00:22:48] Close out. Yeah, okay

[00:22:50] So burley cakes were often baked on stones and that's coming straight from first kings chapter 19

[00:22:57] Heated with fire using a fuel of animal dung. So that's not unusual. Okay often mixed with straw

[00:23:04] Animal dung dried animal dung was used as fuel in the east and still is in some places today

[00:23:11] And it was not regarded as ritually unclean

[00:23:15] So that's why when god relented he was like, okay

[00:23:19] He's not gonna. He's not gonna make him break his laws because he's like i'm i'm godly

[00:23:24] I don't want to break your laws. Yeah, I don't want to be ungodly to prove godness

[00:23:29] I guess I can appreciate that given that this is supposedly a

[00:23:33] Godly quote-unquote godly man, right? And well, and if he's um trying to

[00:23:38] Show the people you guys need to get right with god

[00:23:41] Breaking god's rule to display god's rule

[00:23:45] Doesn't exactly lend him any credibility. Like why would they listen to him? They they could easily point to that and be like, um

[00:23:53] You're not clean. Why the fuck will we listen to you?

[00:23:56] But I am going to say this real quick because

[00:23:58] You know, there's a lot of talk about how god has like he's unquestionably right about everything, right?

[00:24:03] He is the ultimate authority. You shall not question god's judgment, right? Yeah, and yet

[00:24:11] yet

[00:24:12] He not only questioned god's judgment

[00:24:15] But god changed his mind god relented. I'm like what yeah

[00:24:20] If you know best

[00:24:22] Why would you even consider?

[00:24:24] Contemplate changing your mind right and here's here's a good reason why god could have put his foot down and said

[00:24:30] No, we are gonna do it this way and here's why

[00:24:33] Okay, yeah human waste was considered ritually unclean

[00:24:36] Which we've already talked about and had to be buried outside the camp of the israelites to prevent defilement

[00:24:42] And that's straight from deuteronomy chapter 23. Sure. However during the siege to come

[00:24:48] Yeah, all cattle would be killed for food

[00:24:51] So only human excrement would be available at that point for fuel

[00:24:56] Got it. So, you know, I honestly

[00:24:59] I know it's gross and dumb and weird

[00:25:01] But to make his point that no you're acting this out. This is what's gonna be happening

[00:25:07] I honestly feel like god should have put his foot down and said no because this is the way it's gonna be being unclean and being

[00:25:14] Starvacious and cooking

[00:25:16] Food over human shit

[00:25:19] It's what's gonna be right right like if you're trying to make the point make the fucking point, right?

[00:25:25] So I I feel like that

[00:25:28] Kind of didn't do um, either of them any favors right right and and moreover

[00:25:33] I I feel like the things earlier on in the bible like with moses and things like that

[00:25:38] There were some times when moses questioned god

[00:25:40] I felt like he had a better leg to stand on than this. Yes, you know, but god didn't back down then right

[00:25:46] So I put on this god's like man. Okay, you're right

[00:25:50] Right, and it's like really the times that he picks to back down on the times

[00:25:53] He doesn't yeah, they don't really make any sense to smite or not to smite right who could fucking know

[00:26:00] Yeah, yeah, I don't get it

[00:26:02] Um, you got anything else to add for today or no that is it for this chapter

[00:26:07] All right. Well that was a zekiel chapter four sure as fuck was which means that we'll be back tomorrow with

[00:26:14] a zekiel chapter five just an fyi before we get on out of here

[00:26:19] This was done. We did this episode live on twitch and on youtube

[00:26:24] And we are going to be doing that

[00:26:26] hypothetically going forward at 10 30

[00:26:29] p.m

[00:26:30] Eastern

[00:26:31] On mondays and wednesdays from now on along with we're going to be doing our tuesday lives on the discord

[00:26:37] So if you guys couldn't make the discord

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[00:26:56] So, you know, that's usually where we stick around on tuesday

[00:27:00] And and that's the one that we have the time to give to stick around afterwards. Yeah for sure for sure

[00:27:06] so but any of those are a great place to find us and

[00:27:10] Again, that was a zekiel chapter four and we'll be back tomorrow with a zekiel chapter five

[00:27:15] That is correct and we'll see you then. Yep. Bye

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