Ezekiel Chapters 1 - 5 Q&A: Bible Study BY Atheists

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[00:02:03] That's right. And what do you got for us on the Q&A today? Well, we didn't have any like

[00:02:09] specific specific questions

[00:02:10] But we were kind of curious about around what time period was the book of Ezekiel written

[00:02:16] Yes, I am definitely curious about that

[00:02:18] Then we were also curious about golems, which we have discussed before we have but I think it was a patreon

[00:02:26] It was a patreon episode. So we're gonna get into that a little bit today. All right, and then also I had

[00:02:32] Come across some interesting things about the four faces of God

[00:02:38] Okay, and I feel like that will be interesting

[00:02:42] Does this relate to the four headed angel thing, okay? Yes, it does. All right

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[00:04:40] Alright, let's get into this Q&A

[00:04:44] Saturday and talk about some shit about Ezekiel sounds good to me. Are you excited? I am excited. I can tell

[00:04:52] So we had a question about when the fuck this book was actually written

[00:04:56] Yes, I am very interested in that because it matters as to how this all relates to everything that we're talking about

[00:05:01] So yeah, I'm very curious about this

[00:05:03] So the book itself indicates that the prophecies of Ezekiel occurred from about

[00:05:10] 593 to 571 BCE

[00:05:14] Right, which sounds like bullshit to me, right now

[00:05:18] There are a minority of scholars who have argued that the book was written during

[00:05:24] widely divergent periods

[00:05:27] Such as in the 7th century and even as late as the 2nd century BCE

[00:05:32] Okay, so okay, so bits of it were written

[00:05:36] Well, they were all okay

[00:05:38] So the bits of it were written in the right possible time frame

[00:05:41] But much of it was probably written in the the latter years added added to it, right?

[00:05:46] but most scholars

[00:05:48] Except that the main body of the book came from the 6th century BCE

[00:05:53] Which would have been the exact right time period. Okay with the inclusion of some later

[00:06:00] additions and subtractions by redactors who remained loyal to the theological traditions of their master teacher

[00:06:07] Okay, so I'm it concerns me that well look, I don't believe in prophecy

[00:06:15] Right, I mean either I would like to I mean I

[00:06:18] Don't know I have to believe that the the exactness of the prophecies came at a later date, right?

[00:06:25] because it just is too

[00:06:27] It's too correct to sit correct to sit well with me

[00:06:31] Like what I think is that he probably wrote about things that were happening as they happened and then

[00:06:38] passed it on to his students followers, whatever

[00:06:42] accolades and

[00:06:43] they added to it through the years and

[00:06:48] went back and

[00:06:49] Made it seem more prophetic than it actually was yeah

[00:06:53] What I honestly think that dude had some sort of fever dream and that's where like he wrote that down

[00:06:58] You know like the fucking angel foreheaded angel with wheels in the sky. Yeah, and and all that crap and then

[00:07:05] His followers probably were like well

[00:07:07] We could turn like it probably happened soon enough before the the fall of Jerusalem

[00:07:12] That they were like well we could turn this into a prophecy right because it's so weird

[00:07:17] Make it a magical who we think sure sure

[00:07:20] And there may there may have even been some things like brewing with regard to shit happening too, which might have like

[00:07:27] Made him say some things that were like somewhat prophetic

[00:07:30] That's what I mean

[00:07:31] Like I think that he probably wrote some of it as it was happening or was able to

[00:07:36] see some of the politics unfolding just like Jeremiah did and

[00:07:41] Be able to kind of see the writing on the wall in some of the stuff

[00:07:45] But like as far as the exactness

[00:07:47] I'm positive that had to have been written later because much like you I did not believe in prophecy

[00:07:52] All right

[00:07:53] So I'm sure you did a lot of research into this and you couldn't find any like solid information about when things were exactly written

[00:07:59] Everything that I just told you is what I found got it

[00:08:03] So that's a little disappointing. Yeah, but I'm gonna go with my gut here and say prophecies aren't real

[00:08:06] Oh same

[00:08:09] I mean I like the minority of the scholars say that

[00:08:14] Now it was started early on during his when he lived and then it was you know added to and finished up

[00:08:21] As late as the second century BCE got it like that makes the most sense to me

[00:08:25] It really does. Yeah, so I'm gonna go with that

[00:08:28] Yeah

[00:08:28] And say that the majority of the scholars who say no it was written during that that time period

[00:08:34] I'm gonna be like no no you guys must

[00:08:37] Something was written during that time period and then it got added on to yeah

[00:08:41] So I'm like, I guess most scholars are believers in magic then and yeah

[00:08:46] you do a lot of your research with

[00:08:49] Apologists, I mean not always but like sometimes so I do my research to include

[00:08:56] Apologist perspectives to know what to look for sure when I'm looking for facts because I don't

[00:09:02] Know what I'm refuting until I see what they're saying and that's how I build my questions got it

[00:09:08] It's not that I'm using them

[00:09:11] For research and reference I'm using them as a starting point of what I'm gonna bounce ideas off of okay

[00:09:19] If that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, no, I just I knew they were in the mix there somewhere

[00:09:22] They are sure but no where I got this from was the fact-based stuff that I researched

[00:09:27] Okay, so that was not apologists so we just don't we simply don't know

[00:09:31] We simply don't know okay that minority and majority of scholars that is

[00:09:38] What's out there? That's the information available to us at this time got it got it okay, okay?

[00:09:43] So the next topic was golems. Yeah now we did a patreon episode over this and

[00:09:51] That came out on September 10th

[00:09:54] The teaser is available in our regular feed if you wanted to go back and you know

[00:09:59] Just listen to that to get a feel for it

[00:10:01] Yeah, of course the full episode is still available on our patreon too

[00:10:04] Yep, so if you wanted to get the full dive of that it was a really good episode

[00:10:10] Yeah, I do remember enjoying it very much. So boy. I think when we did it

[00:10:15] We had just recently watched a movie or something about a golem. Yes

[00:10:19] So that's right

[00:10:20] That's why my thoughts went to golem because in that that show there was something about a scroll in their mouth

[00:10:26] Yeah, so like that's that's where my thoughts went to because of that

[00:10:30] Yeah, so

[00:10:31] Highly recommend that if you're on patreon to go listen to that episode if you haven't already or if you don't remember

[00:10:36] And if you're not on patreon maybe consider doing the trial. Yeah, and yeah, there's a free trial

[00:10:43] You know binge a bunch of our patreon episodes including the one on golems. Yeah, okay?

[00:10:49] So this won't be as in-depth. I'm just kind of going over a little bit

[00:10:54] Glossom it okay

[00:10:55] So a golem is an animated anthropomorphic being in Jewish folklore

[00:11:02] Which is created entirely from inanimate matter usually clay or mud right? Okay, right?

[00:11:09] Typically the word

[00:11:11] Connotes the unfinished human being before God's eyes so unfinished

[00:11:17] It can also be my light form

[00:11:21] raw material

[00:11:23] Ambryonic or incomplete substance

[00:11:26] unsophisticated and

[00:11:29] In modern Hebrew the word golem is used to mean dumb helpless or pupa meaning unfinished

[00:11:37] Someone who is lethargic or in a stupor and similarly it is often used today as a metaphor for a mindless

[00:11:45] Lunk which I just I need to call people that yeah, you're a mindless lunk

[00:11:50] You damn golem yeah, or other entity that serves a man under controlled conditions

[00:11:56] But is hostile to him in other circumstances. Okay, we talked a little bit more about that

[00:12:02] In the patreon episode got it where

[00:12:07] There's there's a little bit of a milia bedelia stupidity

[00:12:12] Compliance

[00:12:13] Got it

[00:12:14] Careful what you wish for and that kind of thing sure that happens with with golems, you know you have to

[00:12:20] word it very carefully etc etc

[00:12:23] Understood yeah, and the effigies of Jewish folklore were brought to life by means of a charm or of a combination

[00:12:30] Of letters forming a sacred word or one of the names of God

[00:12:35] The letters written on paper were either placed in the golem's mouth or fixed to its head and there you go

[00:12:41] Yeah, and that's why that's why I thought golem when is he'll fucking eight God's words

[00:12:47] Yeah, yeah on a scroll and then the letters removal deanimates the golem right so all we had to do was find

[00:12:54] Ezekiel and take the word back out of his mouth

[00:12:58] And then that would be the end of that. Yeah, so I don't know that that ever happened unfortunately

[00:13:04] I just got I mean I have to wonder if that's some sort of a reference to

[00:13:08] you know part like that

[00:13:11] That's very much part of Jewish lore

[00:13:13] So like that is a weird way to phrase something with regard to taking a

[00:13:19] An order from God if you're not choosing to invoke that symbol that symbolism. Yeah, right, you know, so it's just I mean

[00:13:27] We're gonna come across this whole

[00:13:31] Eating the word of God and the forefaced angel beings with many eyes things

[00:13:38] Again in the book of Revelation. So sure just so you know

[00:13:43] This is a thing that we'll see again, right and we'll be just as curious at that point

[00:13:48] If not more so because it never gets cleared up, right? Well, I mean at that point

[00:13:54] You've got you know Christianity kind of counter to the whole ideal

[00:13:59] Ideology of Judaism so exactly, you know, they're not necessarily gonna believe that the eating of the words means the same thing

[00:14:04] That the Jews Jewish people think right so it's

[00:14:08] And that's what's making our research at this point. I should say my research at this point a little more difficult because

[00:14:16] We've reached the part of the Bible

[00:14:18] The we we've reached the part of the Old Testament

[00:14:21] Yeah, that has been borrowed from stolen and usurped by the Christian side

[00:14:28] The the New Testament heavily. Yeah

[00:14:30] So I have to dig further to get past

[00:14:34] What the Christians are saying about this stuff

[00:14:37] Yeah, and I'm like that's cute that you're saying that but that's not

[00:14:42] What we're here to talk about

[00:14:44] And we are and we aren't right

[00:14:46] I mean in some ways. Yes, because that's why we're reading the Bible

[00:14:49] But in other ways, but we're not there at that part of the story

[00:14:53] Right, you still want to understand the origins of this belief from the perspective of the people that believed it at the time

[00:14:59] Right, and it's hard to do that through the filter of Christianity

[00:15:02] Yeah, like I'm trying to learn about Judaism right now. Thank you. Can you we'll get to you Christians

[00:15:08] Christians just step off for a minute. Yeah, and it makes research very frustrating

[00:15:14] Like I'm trying to learn about what the Jewish people thought of this stuff not you right so

[00:15:21] So let's talk about some examples of um

[00:15:25] Golems throughout history because

[00:15:28] Um, the Jewish people were not the only ones like they didn't have

[00:15:32] The end all be all of the goal in life. Okay, okay

[00:15:36] So the creation of life from clay is a birth theme that appears throughout the world

[00:15:41] Throughout world religions and mythologies

[00:15:44] It can also be seen as one of the gods who craft humans out of early materials

[00:15:50] So the word golem occurs only once in the bible

[00:15:54] In Psalm 139 verse 16

[00:15:57] Your eyes saw my unformed body all the days ordained for me were written in your book

[00:16:03] Before one of them came to be

[00:16:05] Okay, okay, and then um

[00:16:08] If you read Genesis

[00:16:11] Chapter two verse seven. Yeah, then the lord formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils

[00:16:18] The breath of life and the man became a living being sure that's like the sole definition of a golem

[00:16:23] So there it is. Yeah now the Koran states we did create from a quintessence of

[00:16:30] Man, we did create from a quintessence of clay

[00:16:34] Okay, so very similar. Well, yeah, I mean the the koran is based off. It's yes

[00:16:40] It's all the same guy. They all come from the same place

[00:16:42] Yeah, so um the epic of gilgamesh which you know the bible steals from

[00:16:48] A lot. Yeah, um states that the goddess are

[00:16:54] Ruru

[00:16:55] Created humans out of clay. Okay, so that's interesting the samaritan myth of anki and ninma

[00:17:03] States that humans were fashioned from clay to serve the gods. Okay

[00:17:07] The Babylonian epic of atrosis

[00:17:11] States that humans were created by nin too

[00:17:14] From mixing clay with the blood of a sacrificed god

[00:17:19] I would love to get some blood of a sacrificed god up in here. That would be epic

[00:17:25] Okay, the egyptian god

[00:17:28] Is said to create human children from clay before placing them into their mother's womb

[00:17:33] Isn't that cute? That's cute in greek mythology

[00:17:37] Prometheus he's the guy that stole fire from the gods and gave it to humans because he liked us for some reason

[00:17:42] Right. Um, he molded men out of water and earth

[00:17:46] Okay, and then also in greek mythology prometheus molds a clay statue of athena

[00:17:53] The goddess of wisdom

[00:17:55] Okay, and then pandora one more time from greek mythology was fashioned from clay

[00:18:01] Got it. Yeah, all right in zero astrian mythology, which was that one that we learned about just recently

[00:18:08] That was Babylonian area

[00:18:10] Missa botania stuff. Yeah

[00:18:13] First the primordial ox

[00:18:17] Gavavadada

[00:18:19] And subsequently the primordial human

[00:18:22] Gaia mort

[00:18:24] Are created from mud by the supreme deity ahura mazda. Okay. Yeah

[00:18:30] We have a mazda. We do have a mazda

[00:18:33] Yep, we do it's a good little car. It is it is

[00:18:37] Okay, so now we're gonna get into some asian stuff. Okay. Yeah, according to chinese mythology

[00:18:42] New wa molded figures from the yellow earth giving them life and the ability to bear children

[00:18:48] Okay in the korean sangh gu t narrative humans are created from red clay

[00:18:54] Okay in vietnamese mythology the ngaak ha long and the 12 ba

[00:19:01] my

[00:19:02] Created people from clay. Okay

[00:19:05] I'm sure I fuck

[00:19:08] I'm doing my darnedest though. I have a good heart. I mean well

[00:19:12] central asian

[00:19:14] Central asian mythology including altaic and mongolian have stories about how the god olgen created the first man

[00:19:22] Erlich from clay floating on the surface of water

[00:19:26] Oh, okay, so not just like clay but like scum and clay right you pun scum

[00:19:32] Um

[00:19:33] Now according to hindu mythology parvati the mother of ganesh

[00:19:38] Created her son from clay and turned the clay into flesh and blood. Okay cute

[00:19:43] Several african cultures hold that the human race was free created from clay

[00:19:49] Some stories include clay and skin or clay and wood

[00:19:53] But they're all clay got it and then in the hawaiian tradition

[00:19:57] The first man was composed of muddy water

[00:20:00] Okay, but not the scum

[00:20:04] The Maori people believe that tanay

[00:20:07] Mahuta god of the forest created the first woman out of clay and breathed life into her

[00:20:14] According to north's north legend the god Thor, you know god of thunder

[00:20:20] Yeah, not the hot guy in the mcu

[00:20:23] But I mean, you know, you know, right that guy encounters a giant who was made from clay

[00:20:29] Okay, so that's cool. Yeah and according to the beliefs of some indigenous americans

[00:20:34] The earth maker formed the figure of many men and women which he dried in the sun and into which he breathed life

[00:20:42] I see so

[00:20:44] Every culture on the planet pretty much has a creation story for man

[00:20:49] That involves them being made out of the earth

[00:20:53] Early primitive humans are like look I can mold stuff with this. Oh, I bet that's how god did it

[00:20:57] Yeah, yeah, cool. I mean call me shocked. Right exactly. So we have some modern day

[00:21:06] Artifices that are often referred to as

[00:21:11] Golems in a different sense. Okay, like artificial intelligence or robots or you know anything like that

[00:21:18] sure

[00:21:20] similarly

[00:21:21] Pinocchio sure and

[00:21:24] zombies, okay, all right and

[00:21:28] Of course frankenstein's monster

[00:21:31] The subtitle to that book is or the modern prometheus. Oh, you know, okay, so right there we go direct reference. Yeah

[00:21:39] Yeah, so that is all I had to say about golems. Okay, okay

[00:21:43] Like I said for a more in-depth look at them visit that patreon episode, right?

[00:21:49] But I'm just happy that you know they eat scrolls and I'm like, yeah, that happened

[00:21:53] They do look how that happened and the the things. Yeah, and I'm like that's cool

[00:21:58] Yep, and it's gonna happen again, but I literally I asked every question

[00:22:02] And I could think of I could not find any reference to a zekiel

[00:22:07] Being referred to as a golem. So once again, you heard it here first. Yeah, we came up

[00:22:13] I say we but really it was husband came up with this nifty idea that

[00:22:18] Nobody else apparently has talked about on the webs

[00:22:21] Well, I mean it doesn't necessarily make it true. It's just I mean it's an interesting notion though

[00:22:26] I don't think there's any way to tell what is

[00:22:29] Actually true about what they were writing about because it was written so long ago and interpreted

[00:22:33] So many different ways that the original meaning has probably been lost

[00:22:37] You know millennia ago. Oh sure. So I mean

[00:22:40] I I feel like if I thought it it's a worthwhile thing to think maybe

[00:22:45] Sure at least to pursue slightly. Yeah, I'm not seeing that

[00:22:48] You know what you said is true or not true. I'm just saying it's interesting that I can't find anybody else having thought the same thing

[00:22:56] That's the interesting thing to me because what you said is like so obvious and retrospect right? Yeah, I'm you know

[00:23:03] I'm like why didn't I think of that?

[00:23:07] So let's talk about the four faces of God, okay

[00:23:10] Okay, and the reason that I'm referring to it that way rather than as

[00:23:15] The angels who had four different faces or whatever those winged beings were that azikiel

[00:23:23] claims to have seen right. Yeah

[00:23:25] is because

[00:23:27] Later on in the book of revelation

[00:23:30] Um, we're gonna come back to this same vision that somebody else has I think some guy named john maybe

[00:23:36] Sure, but again, this is completely separate from this is old testament versus new testament. Yes, so

[00:23:45] But they're referred to as the four faces of God. Sure also because in

[00:23:51] uh, Genesis and the early

[00:23:53] And I should have uh cited this and I didn't because I it just occurred to me in the early chapters of Genesis

[00:23:59] God is referred to as having two faces. I don't know if you remember that. Yeah, so that's why

[00:24:05] Everybody just calls it the four faces of God. Okay. All right, so

[00:24:10] Specifically what we're referring to is azikiel chapter one verse 10

[00:24:16] Okay, their faces looked like this

[00:24:19] Each of the four had the face of a human being and on the right side

[00:24:23] Each had the face of a lion and on the left side the face of an ox

[00:24:27] Each also had the face of an eagle

[00:24:30] Okay, okay

[00:24:31] So according to the book of numbers the encampment of israel were divided into four divisions

[00:24:38] Under their banner around the tabernacle. Okay, do you remember that's when um,

[00:24:43] Moses was like telling everybody to line up and getting their different little camps or whatever

[00:24:47] Yeah

[00:24:48] The divisions likely refer to an insignia perhaps comparable to a family crest

[00:24:55] unique to each tribe

[00:24:57] Since moses characterizes each tribe in a particular fashion

[00:25:01] In deuteronomy chapter 33

[00:25:03] It is likely that certain symbols were associated with each individual group. Okay, okay

[00:25:09] As the israelites were commanded to encamp each by his own standard with the ensign of their father's house

[00:25:17] Like do you remember all of that like he's telling them line up by your father? Yeah, right

[00:25:21] The direction has been considered as implying that they possessed three varieties

[00:25:27] So three different flags like

[00:25:29] Kind of like how here in america will have a at the top of the flagpole is always the american flag

[00:25:35] Next might come the state flag and then would come like a college flag or whatever the fuck ever or whatever crazy conspiracy theory

[00:25:41] You've all right like whatever interesting thing

[00:25:43] But you always have the american flag and the state flag sure and then all the other things. Yep. Yep

[00:25:49] So that's that's what i'm referring to here when it's they had they possessed three varieties

[00:25:54] Okay, yeah, it would number one be the great tribal standards

[00:25:58] Which served as rallying points for the 12 large clans of the people

[00:26:03] And then number two would be the standards of the subdivided portions

[00:26:07] And then three would be those of families or houses. Got it. Okay, so they had those

[00:26:13] Similar to ours today. Yeah

[00:26:15] Now interestingly enough the four divisions and their totemic symbols are the following

[00:26:22] Ruben was standing to the south

[00:26:26] and

[00:26:28] His flag

[00:26:30] or according to

[00:26:31] uh genesis chapter 29 verse 32

[00:26:35] Leah became pregnant and gave birth to a son. She named him ruben and the name ruben literally means

[00:26:41] Behold a son got it. So

[00:26:44] um, he was on the south and that would line up with

[00:26:48] uh, the the face

[00:26:51] Facing you of the foreface thing

[00:26:53] Was man. Okay. All right, so

[00:26:57] Judah was on the east and

[00:27:01] um

[00:27:02] In genesis 49 verse 9

[00:27:05] Jacob says you are a lions cub juda

[00:27:08] You return from the prey my son like a lion he crouches and lies down like a lioness who dares to rouse him

[00:27:15] and

[00:27:17] So that would put um

[00:27:19] Him on the east which lines up with the lion on the the angel thing. Okay, and then

[00:27:26] Um for Ephraim we've got genesis 33 chapter. I'm sorry chapter 33 verse 17

[00:27:32] Moses says about joseph

[00:27:35] In majesty he is like a firstborn bull his horns are

[00:27:39] The horns of a wild ox with them

[00:27:42] He will gore the nations even those at the ends of the earth

[00:27:45] Such are the 10 thousands of Ephraim such are the thousands of manasseh. Hmm. Okay, so that's interesting

[00:27:52] We've got those right this one's a bit of a stretch and I I couldn't really

[00:27:58] Make it work make

[00:28:00] Yes and no, okay. Yeah, so

[00:28:03] Dan on the north

[00:28:05] Okay, yeah, we've got genesis chapter 49 verse 17

[00:28:10] Jacob says dan will be a snake by the roadside a viper along the path

[00:28:16] That bites the heel the horses heel so that it's rider tumbles backward now. That's a snake

[00:28:22] What we're missing is the eagle?

[00:28:25] Now the flying eagle holding a serpent was their

[00:28:30] Flag and then later on

[00:28:33] Um tradition jewish tradition says that the emblem of dan was changed from a snake to a flying

[00:28:39] eagle. Oh, okay, that matters because

[00:28:44] Um, it's referred to that way in

[00:28:47] The book of revelation got it vision. Okay, so

[00:28:51] Is it doesn't match does it not match? Hypothetically

[00:28:55] These four faces are to line up with the israelites the four main house

[00:29:01] Basically the way they were facing for protection and all that. Yeah, and the four main houses of israel

[00:29:06] Yeah, so the concept of the encampment of israel around the tabernacle parallels the four living creatures around the throne

[00:29:15] So now this is interesting to me a little bit because um at the time

[00:29:21] Hypothetically of this being written

[00:29:23] You know the other tribes of israel were not necessarily still present right in the same form that they were right

[00:29:30] You know like maybe

[00:29:32] I don't I don't know how they felt about them back then but definitely jude had been the one that was taking over so

[00:29:38] Yeah, I don't know again. This this is all just interesting stuff. I found like, huh

[00:29:44] That's neat. I'm not saying that any of this is actually true or that that's what they were thinking

[00:29:50] I just thought it was an interesting theory out there that I couldn't not mention

[00:29:55] Yeah

[00:29:55] Since somebody had gone to the trouble of finding these verses and lining them up for sure

[00:30:00] And and I did check to make sure that the verses actually were

[00:30:04] What they were and not just like somebody telling you that because I I don't know the verses well enough to

[00:30:10] You know, just take them out of the word. Yeah, so we have not memorized the bible

[00:30:14] No, no, so I did actually look them up fyi. Okay

[00:30:19] So I went ahead and brought in

[00:30:22] Just for future reference so that we can be on the lookout

[00:30:27] The verse referred to

[00:30:29] Um in the book of revelation. Okay, that also has this same vision. Okay. Yeah, it's revelation

[00:30:36] Chapter four verses six b through seven. Okay. So the second half of verse six

[00:30:43] Okay

[00:30:44] In the center around the throne were four living creatures and they were covered with eyes in front and in back

[00:30:50] The first living creature was like a lion the second was like an ox

[00:30:54] The third had a face like a man. The fourth was like a flying eagle. Okay, so sure

[00:31:01] There it is. Yeah, okay. So this like I said, we'll come back

[00:31:06] but not because he had the same visions probably so much as that

[00:31:12] The entire book was like let's see what we can steal from all of those prophets that were, you know

[00:31:17] The important Jewish people, right? Right. Yeah. So that's all I have for today's q&a

[00:31:25] Okay, I did you did mention something to me here earlier today that uh,

[00:31:29] We're looking to do a patreon episode tomorrow

[00:31:32] So, um, you mentioned what what are we thinking about doing a patreon on? Um, I think we're gonna talk about angels

[00:31:39] Because that was going to be part of my q&a like what the fuck are these angelic things and you know

[00:31:45] Cherubim seraphim what the fuck? Yeah, but it's too big of a subject

[00:31:51] To just be part of a q&a sure. It's an it's a whole episode

[00:31:55] It's a whole episode

[00:31:56] So if you were thinking about signing up for that trial membership of uh, you know of our patreon

[00:32:01] Maybe wait till tomorrow. Well, you know, this will be good tomorrow. Yeah, so you can start it today

[00:32:05] Yeah, and then you can get the the golem episode and hear what we have to say about angels. Yeah

[00:32:11] Yeah, I get the whole thing. So all right. Well, that sounds great. Um, I'm looking forward to hearing about angels tomorrow and uh

[00:32:18] After we get that done

[00:32:19] I'll get the weekly wrap up out and then we'll be back on monday with

[00:32:24] Ezekiel or easy kyle as I like to say chapter six. All right. We'll see you then

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