Hosea Chapter 11: Bible Study by Atheists

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Sacrilegious Discourse.

[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_00]: For this is what the Sovereign Lord says!

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Why do you need prophets to tell people who you are and what you want?

[00:00:07] [SPEAKER_00]: If you can justify everything that the God of the Bible has done,

[00:00:12] [SPEAKER_00]: then you can justify any of your behavior.

[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of this mentality is trickling into

[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_02]: what is now mainstream right wing Christianity.

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I am capable of empathy greater than this God of the Bible.

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_01]: This is a Bible that they tell kids this is the good Lord,

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_01]: this is the good book, this is...

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: He is fantasizing about murder, mass murder.

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[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Wife!

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember where we are and how the hell we got here?

[00:00:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the last time we were on an actual chapter before we broke for the weekend,

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_02]: we were on chapter 10.

[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure as fuck were.

[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And in that episode, we were reading about idolatry and consequences

[00:01:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and basically how God hates the fact that they worship idols

[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_02]: and what he's going to do to them and all that kind of wonderful shit.

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's within the book of Hosea.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_02]: In Hosea, yeah. Did I not say that?

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_00]: You said we were on chapter 10, but you didn't say...

[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I didn't say what book.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Hosea.

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Hosea, as I like to call it.

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Now, there was something that got mentioned and I got curious to look it up.

[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_02]: So they referenced at least once, if not a couple of times, the things that happened in Gabia.

[00:01:35] [SPEAKER_02]: And so I looked it up because I couldn't remember what that was referencing.

[00:01:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's in regard to... Do you remember when the Levite and his concubine went to this guy's house

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: and then everybody came to the door and wanted to rape them basically?

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_00]: I remember I cried about that because they kicked the girl out and let the guy stay.

[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And then they chopped her into a building.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he chopped her into 12 pieces to send to the other tribes.

[00:02:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what that was referencing.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was, I think it was originally in Judges 19 through 21.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So if you want to go back and reference that as to what that actually was, that's what it was.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Because we would rather rape and kill a woman than have homosexuality.

[00:02:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. Yeah, that was terrible.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: That was terrible.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, I just, I didn't know what they were referencing when we were reading it

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_02]: because I couldn't remember what that was about.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But now I do and I'm not sure I wanted to.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: It is what it is.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks Obama.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:02:42] Right.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So that was Hosea chapter 10.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure as fuck was.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Which means that today we're getting into...

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Hosea chapter 11 or whose head is I like to call them?

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's do this.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Okey-dokey.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: We are hopping into Hosea chapter 11 or whose head is I like to call them?

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Because this whole chapter is a hose head.

[00:03:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_02]: We decided, I think one of the previous chapters that God was the hose head.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_00]: God's always the hose head regardless of what book we're reading.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_00]: That's a fact.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_00]: All right, ready for this?

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm ready.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_00]: When is, oh this is God talking.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Or this is Hosea talking for God talking.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense?

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_00]: When Israel was a child, not the dude but you know the...

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_02]: The land.

[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_02]: The people, the whatever.

[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_00]: The country there of the nation.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I loved him and out of Egypt I called my son.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_00]: No idea.

[00:03:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that he loved him so.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember what happened on that trip?

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_00]: He called him.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but do you remember what happened on that trip?

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Um, he made them take like 40 years because they kept complaining about being tired and hungry and hot.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_00]: And then he threw birds at him and...

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he killed a lot of people along.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't love him that much.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_02]: He only loved him a little.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Like just the, I don't know.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't great.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_02]: That's all I'm saying.

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_00]: I would like to not be loved by that guy.

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_00]: He was not nice.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_02]: But like, I like how we have this like after the fact reminiscence of how things were.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Remember back in the good old days, the 1950s you know when we didn't have AC or...

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Or women's rights.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Or women's rights and...

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and...

[00:04:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Or civil rights.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_00]: And God threw birds at people.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah right.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I really don't like the reminiscing about the good old times because they weren't good.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_00]: No.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_02]: They were shitty.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_00]: There are good times in every era that does not make it the good old days.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_00]: That just means, oh that's when you were a kid or a teenager.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Got it.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's from your particular perspective if it was good or bad right?

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Yup.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Some people didn't have a good time.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know my mom talks about the good old days of her childhood but

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_00]: then she also in the same breath will tell me how there was a pool in her

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_00]: neighborhood that they cemented over rather than allow segregation or integration.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_02]: They would not want...

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: That does not seem good to me especially to a certain segment of people.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad that she had good days back then.

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Imagine if she you know maybe was a person of color.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I doubt that she would call that the good old days.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_02]: No probably not.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably not.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_00]: But the more they were called you know meet God calling them.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_00]: The more they went away from me.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Those bastards wandering the fucking desert.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_00]: They sacrificed to the Ba'als and they burned incense to images right away.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Right away.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Right just happened right off the bat.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I mean they walked out of Egypt and were like boom Ba'al.

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_00]: It was I who taught Ephraim to walk.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And I just looked it up and he is using Ephraim synonymously with Israel with Jacob.

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of figured that's how I see...

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_00]: I thought so but I just wanted to confirm that he is using those three interchangeably.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_00]: So I think Ephraim is actually like a city of but...

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_02]: It's a representation of the rest of the northern Israel states whatever they were back then.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So it was I who taught Ephraim to walk you know God who taught those people.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[00:06:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Taking them by the arms but they did not realize it was I who healed them.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean...

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_02]: You would think he could have let them know that though.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Well...

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Like if he's healing them if he's doing these wonderful things you would think he could make it known that he is the one doing that.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Well he told Moses and Moses was telling everybody and Moses is who gathered the people and was like let's get...

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah but Aaron was making a fucking golden calf while he was up on the mountain talking to God.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh that was several years later after they'd been wandering the desert for a bit.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Still.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_00]: When they were leaving though remember there was like all those plagues and stuff.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_00]: They knew they knew the deal they were like oh this God's scary.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if they did because even Pharaoh was like I don't know man and he had he had magicians or whatever the fuck they were doing similar things.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Like he was like they were having a contest of who could do the worst shit or the craziest stuff.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_00]: My frogs are bigger than your frogs.

[00:07:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Right and Pharaoh kept being like nah man I don't believe in your God.

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay but they did believe the people of Israel did believe because that was where Passover started because they put the mark or whatever so that the first born child, every first born child, male child whether it was like an animal

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Or a person would die and the angel of death would know to pass over them.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And so they did that.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Cool story bro but like that may have never happened.

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Hicks or it didn't happen like oh okay well if we're gonna talk like that.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying like there's a lot of historical evidence saying basically that the Israelites never did an exodus out of Egypt.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_02]: It was never a thing.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_02]: They've always kind of been where they were and that's why there's so much cultural mixing between like the Canaanites and the Israelites because they were essentially the same culture at one point.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_02]: But whatever man.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_00]: Whatever man.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Well I wasn't going down that part of the story.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_00]: I was just chasing down the biblical story.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Well did they know about God and I'm saying yes they did back then.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_02]: According to the Bible.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_00]: According to Moses who wrote that shit down.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Which is according to the Bible also.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean we're basing a lot of shit off of a text that we barely understand.

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Right no that's true and it's not even the first draft you know because the first draft like when he climbed up the mountain to do the Ten Commandments that draft broke.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to yeah I'd be curious if that was a different draft you know if there were different rules.

[00:09:08] [SPEAKER_00]: And how many.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe there were only like eight the first time and then when it broke God was like hang on hang on I'm glad that happened anyway.

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I had something else to tell you.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I had some stuff in there.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Alright so anyway they did not realize it was I who healed them.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I led them with cords of human kindness with ties of love.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I did see this in the notes what he's talking about basically is like a child leash.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh okay.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Like you know when they're either learning to walk or when you're walking through a crowded area and you don't want to lose your kid.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_00]: So I led them with cords of human kindness with ties of love like I was pulling them like puppet string kind of things you know I was pulling them along and they didn't know that it was me.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe like that doesn't even ring true with the stories that we read no but you did not God.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Jose you tell him stories on God now.

[00:10:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I think I think Jose doesn't really know the story you know like I I wonder because there was a lot of talk we talked about this where there was a certain.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember which prophet it was but there was a certain it was either a king or prophet that brought back the book of Moses.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Because it apparently had been lost for a long time.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_00]: And we were like what do you mean brought back.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Has it been gone all this time.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Makes me wonder that if it was just like rewritten at some point right and if that's the case then.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Fuck all this.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_02]: All that's all stupid.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_02]: But whatever.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah so Jose is like making this shit up based on like but that's what my dad said.

[00:10:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_02]: No it's all hearsay.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_02]: It's all passed down through generations.

[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_02]: That's all this is really.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_00]: To them I was like one who lifts a little child to the cheek and I bent down to feed them.

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Will they not return to Egypt and will not Assyria roll over them because they were fused to repent those fuckers.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Well I mean they're fleeing war.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Not you not other gods not their foot they're fucking fleeing war.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So I whatever man if you're if you're God don't have war happened.

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_00]: Well the reason that they have war they brought it on themselves they weren't doing the right warship stuff.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_00]: You know God would take care of them if only he's God.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_02]: He could do whatever the fuck he wants.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So you made them that way.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So fuck off a sword will flash in their cities it will devour their false prophets and put an end to their plans.

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Keep saying that.

[00:11:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm hmm.

[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_00]: My people are determined to turn from me.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_02]: They're not not just that they're doing it but they are determined to do it.

[00:11:44] [SPEAKER_02]: They're like that God that God sucks man I am turning away from him so hard.

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a married couple where one of the spouses is cheating and the other one's like my spouse is just determined to be a harlot.

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how to fix this.

[00:12:01] [SPEAKER_00]: They're just determined to fuck around.

[00:12:03] [SPEAKER_00]: I can't.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:12:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Determined.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_00]: My people are determined to turn from me even though they call me God most high I will by no means exalt them.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Mm hmm.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_00]: So they call me God most high but then they be you know worshiping them balls and shit.

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_02]: They call other gods the most high what I did look we talked about this before like they worship other gods.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_02]: They worship multiple gods.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like when you're a kid and you accidentally call your teacher mom.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Right right yeah.

[00:12:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Or you accidentally tell one of your friends as you're hanging up the phone love you because that's what you always say when you hang up the phone with your mom and you're like God damn it.

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_00]: And then you're like no I don't I mean you're probably fine but that's not what I that's not the words I would have chosen just then.

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's pretend this never happened.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_00]: How can I give you up Ephraim.

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I just can't get over it.

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_00]: No wait what is it.

[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I just can't quit you.

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_00]: How can I give you up Ephraim.

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_00]: How can I hand you over Israel.

[00:13:08] [SPEAKER_00]: How can I treat you like Adma.

[00:13:10] [SPEAKER_00]: How can I make you like Zaboyim.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Who the fuck are these people.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_00]: No those are cities.

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh okay.

[00:13:16] [SPEAKER_00]: I have some notes about them which I will access here in my my notey note file.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_00]: My note note place.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Your note note place.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Some people have a note note note there and I have a note note.

[00:13:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah okay.

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Alright.

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_02]: The problem is that we prepped for four episodes so you got to scroll through a lot more notes.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I just had to scroll through all four episodes.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay so now I'm like where's that city where did it go.

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay Adma and Zaboyim were cities in the same plain as Sodom and Gomorrah each with a king and although they are not specifically mentioned by name in the name.

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_00]: In the narrative in Genesis they were destroyed together with Sodom and Gomorrah as recorded in the general term those cities in all the plain which was in Genesis chapter 19.

[00:14:08] [SPEAKER_01]: I see.

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Or they did get referenced later in detail quote that the whole land thereof is brimstone and salt and burning like the overthrow of Sodom and Gomorrah,

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Adma and Zaboyim which the Lord overthrew in his anger and his wrath and that was in Deuteronomy chapter 29.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay right.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So scholars typically link Sodom and Gomorrah with a Yahwistic tradition and Adma and Zaboyim with the Eloistic tradition.

[00:14:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm interesting.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_00]: They might be separate cities they might be Sodom and Gomorrah.

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes right but it's interesting that you know

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_02]: because this is an older book we're referencing the other cities in this book so that

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_02]: again there's been some interesting references in this prophet because it's old.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_00]: This Hosea has been referencing a bunch of older stuff that we haven't touched on in a while

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and the other books that we've been reading they've been referencing everything in kings and chronicles

[00:15:13] [SPEAKER_00]: right right.

[00:15:14] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's been like really weird to wrap my head around.

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_00]: This is even weirder because this is going back to the Torah days.

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure and to be fair it was written during kings and chronicles but it was but he is referencing stuff that is further back so.

[00:15:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah yeah so I'm just I'm having a really hard time with the placement of this like it feels like it should have been placed further back in the Bible.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Like I swear to God I'm going through and I'm tearing this shit up and putting it in the right order when I'm done because apparently God doesn't know how to edit.

[00:15:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Right well obviously yeah yeah so how can I give you up how can I hand you over how can I treat you like Adma how can I make you like Zaboyim my heart is changed within me all my compassion is aroused.

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah it is.

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I will not carry out my fierce anger nor will I devastate Ephraim again he's like fuck me I don't want to destroy you guys stop being bastards right for I am God and not a man right the Holy One among you I will not come against their cities they will follow the Lord he will roar like a lion when he roars oh so we just went from like he over there.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah third person to know or from first person to now we're talking about God over there third person.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.

[00:16:35] [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm God sometimes God sometimes talks about himself in third person so it's really hard to follow some it is because there was like no quotation mark endings and I don't know if it's just a shit translation I'm reading or if this is like really how it be.

[00:16:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean Trump does the same thing.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah but he does he does and then when he fucks up he just pretends like that's what he meant to say the whole time and I'm like dude.

[00:16:58] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who's buying it but only the stupid right because that's dumb everybody farts right it's okay to admit it.

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Yep they will follow the Lord he will roar like a lion when he roars like remember at the beginning of those MGM movies.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes I do.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah I do like when when you were a kid and you watched those movies with the lion roar in the beginning did you ever like make the.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_00]: As the lion did it but I don't recall specifically my whole family did it was like a thing or something like that but yeah like when we all saw the lion roar we would all do that.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_00]: And you know like he moves his head and we did it with him right and then when they started having the static lion where he didn't move at all.

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah that was the saddest we're like oh yeah there's no he's not they still play the roar but it's just a picture of the lion right that's not the same.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that there is even I haven't heard the roar in a long time on your movie.

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's an MGM studio anymore is there.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know I'd have to look into it.

[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know I'm an 824 girl.

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway he gonna roar like a lion.

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_02]: All right yeah.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_00]: When he roars his children will come trembling from the west will they though.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Probably not.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: They will come from Egypt trembling like sparrows from Assyria fluttering like doves.

[00:18:22] [SPEAKER_00]: I will settle them in their homes declares the Lord.

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_02]: That's nice.

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Ephraim has surrounded me with lies Israel with deceit and Judah is unruly against God even against the faithful Holy One at the end.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay all right so there again more dishing the northern tribes and saying Judah you better watch yourself you're getting bad just like them.

[00:18:48] [SPEAKER_00]: You know how.

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna have to punish you soon.

[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Don't make me punish you.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't make me do this man.

[00:18:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to kill you but I will.

[00:18:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't don't make me murder you.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_00]: You have it coming.

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't want to.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_02]: I can't help you.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_02]: If you if you do this it's because you did it not because I did it.

[00:19:06] [SPEAKER_02]: You brought this on yourself.

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Even though I'll do it but I'm not the one doing it you're doing it not me.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_00]: This will hurt me more than the dead you.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_00]: What?

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_02]: All right that was Hosea chapter 11.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure as fuck was.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Which means that we will be back tomorrow with.

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Hosea chapter 12 or Hosehead.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_02]: All right we'll see you then.

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Bye.