Hosea Chapter 14: Bible Study by Atheists

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Sacrilegious Discourse.

[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_02]: For this is what the Sovereign Lord says!

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Why do you need prophets to tell people who you are and what you want?

[00:00:07] [SPEAKER_02]: If you can justify everything that the God of the Bible has done,

[00:00:12] [SPEAKER_02]: then you can justify any of your behavior.

[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of this mentality is trickling into

[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_01]: what is now mainstream right wing Christianity.

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I am capable of empathy greater than this God of the Bible.

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_01]: This is a Bible that they tell kids this is the good Lord,

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_01]: this is the good book, this is...

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_01]: He is fantasizing about murder, mass murder.

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[00:01:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Husband! Wife!

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know where we are and how the hell we got here?

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we just got done reading Hosea Chapter 13.

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure as fuck did.

[00:01:23] [SPEAKER_01]: And in that chapter God did not like the Israelites for worshiping idols again.

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Go figure.

[00:01:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean that's the story of the whole fucking Bible.

[00:01:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_01]: And you know he was like, hey I brought you out of fucking Egypt.

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_01]: What more do you want?

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Like strings attached.

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Remember, remember, remember you totally owe me.

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:01:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, but do I though?

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and then when they were like, but do I though?

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_01]: He was like, well I'm gonna cut your pregnant women open

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_01]: and bash your babies against rocks.

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_02]: And they're like Jesus Christ that escalated quickly.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_01]: It did.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: It did.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was a just horrible fucking ending to that chapter.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_01]: And one of many, many reasons why even if this God were real I'd be like fuck you dude.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:02:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Because what the fuck?

[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Who even says something like that?

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Who threatens something like that much less than actually follows through with it.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's just messed up.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And if you think that this God is loving I baked differ.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't see it.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't agree.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_01]: And you can throw the New Testament out there all you want.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's the same God.

[00:02:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying.

[00:02:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I harmonized with you.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I appreciate that.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_01]: That was good.

[00:02:40] [SPEAKER_01]: So that was the gist of Hosea chapter 13.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Which means that today we're getting into.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Hosea chapter 14.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Pose head is coming to an end.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is the last chapter.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes it is.

[00:02:54] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's do this.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Okie dokie.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, we are hopping in here chapter 14 to see what hose head is up to in Hosea.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the one.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, hose head which got for us.

[00:03:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Finish up strong.

[00:03:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Return Israel to the Lord your God.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Nah.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Go back.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Go back.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Your sins have been your downfall.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_02]: You keep saying that.

[00:03:23] [SPEAKER_01]: I would say that God has been their downfall honestly.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Right?

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean from the very beginning when he was throwing fucking birds at them in the

[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: desert.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can say they're said like that is blaming the person for their action but the

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_01]: person that took the action against them for their action that caused the downfall is

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_01]: their fucking God.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's bullshit.

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I complain about.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Like okay, I get it.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Idolatry apparently is just like the worst fucking thing you can do on the planet.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: So bad that you will kill children over it.

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Sounds totally legit.

[00:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Look, I get it.

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I already covered this in the intro.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: We covered it in the last chapter.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: We've covered it in other chapters where he's killed fucking children before.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But what?

[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I can't fathom people who worship a God who kills children to get revenge

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: against people who worship other statues.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck you.

[00:04:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_02]: All the way to Mars and back baby.

[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, sorry.

[00:04:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I know I'm on a little bit of a high horse here so I'll let you continue.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Take words with you and return to the Lord.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Take word?

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_01]: That's weird crazy.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_02]: You know how you do.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_02]: How you always be taken words, you know?

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess.

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have to word that up.

[00:04:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of a cure-native thing.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Say to him, forgive all our sins and receive us graciously that we may offer the fruit

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_02]: of our lips.

[00:04:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Assyria cannot save us.

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: We will not mount war horses.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_02]: We will never again say our gods to what our own hands have made for in you, the fatherless.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Find compassion.

[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I will heal their waywardness.

[00:05:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a word.

[00:05:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, waywardness.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_02]: That's like a scrabble double point word or something.

[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, yeah.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Waywardness.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_01]: That's got a lot of points in there.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_02]: I will heal their two W's and a Y waywardness and love them freely for my anger has turned

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_02]: away from them.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, how nice.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_02]: That's so nice.

[00:05:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't you like me?

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I will be like the due to Israel.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_02]: He will blossom like a lily.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, he's going to be like the due to Israel.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: He was just complaining that the Israelites were like due to him.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I know.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_01]: What the fuck is that?

[00:05:41] [SPEAKER_01]: A coming-go.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_01]: All that says is that he's going to wane quickly and I'm like, oh, so you're saying you're the

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_01]: same thing you were complaining about to whatever.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:05:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what it sounds like to me.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_02]: He will blossom like a lily.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And again, we're talking about Israel as a dude and instead of a girl.

[00:05:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Like a cedar of Lebanon, he will send down his roots.

[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_02]: His young shoots will grow.

[00:06:06] [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about God here, right?

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_02]: God is talking about the Israelites.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:06:12] [SPEAKER_02]: I think.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I thought he was talking about himself.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Posehead is talking about God or God is talking about himself?

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.

[00:06:18] [SPEAKER_02]: You're right.

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_02]: His splendor will be like an olive tree.

[00:06:22] [SPEAKER_02]: His fragrance like a cedar of Lebanon.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_02]: People will dwell again in his shade.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_02]: They will flourish like the grain.

[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_02]: They will blossom like the vine.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Israel's fame will be like the wine of Lebanon.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Ephraim.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_02]: What more have I to do with idols?

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: I will answer him and care for him.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like a flourishing juniper.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Your fruitlessness comes from me.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's an end quote.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know who was talking just then.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that sounds like God was talking.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_01]: I think.

[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Most of the time through Jose, I think it's been God talking.

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Jose has been kind of whatever doesn't really matter for the whole thing.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think this is now Jose speaking.

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Who is wise?

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Let them realize these things.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Who is discerning?

[00:07:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Let them understand.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_02]: The ways of the Lord are right.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_02]: The righteous walk in them, but the rebellious stumble in them.

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_02]: The end.

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean that so that was how it was ends.

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Good people follow the ways of God and rebellious people stumble.

[00:07:33] [SPEAKER_01]: The end.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_01]: The last chapter with God's going to grow his roots and protect all those people

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_01]: and do all the wonderful things as long as you're good.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_01]: But like it was a, they still caveat at that at the end.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, yeah, but you better be good.

[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't stumble.

[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't stumble.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't go waywardness.

[00:07:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, waywardness.

[00:07:55] [SPEAKER_01]: And that would be bad.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But I just, I can't, this whole book has been nothing but you suck for idolatry.

[00:08:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to kill you and maybe you could be redeemed, but we'll see.

[00:08:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:08:12] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't, I haven't liked this book.

[00:08:15] [SPEAKER_01]: This book has been kind of trash.

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Opinions say, opinions being mine.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_02]: This was a negative two out of five stars.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Not my favorite.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_02]: This was the first of the minor prophets.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_01]: It's not, not a good start to them.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: In my opinion.

[00:08:39] [SPEAKER_02]: No, not at all.

[00:08:40] [SPEAKER_02]: But I like them.

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Next time we'll be starting Joel.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even know that was a book about that.

[00:08:46] [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't either.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, next comes Joel chapter one according to my little list here.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_02]: And I literally wrote down a list in my planner of all the books of the Bible just so that

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_02]: I would always have a copy with me to reference.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_02]: And I still did not remember that one of them was called Joel.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So silly.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Like by the time you get to the minor prophets, you're like, whatever, I can't with all this.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_02]: You lost me after Joshua judges, Ruth, King, I mean, right.

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Kings and chronicles.

[00:09:17] [SPEAKER_01]: People know the big ones, right?

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Samuel kings and chronicles.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[00:09:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that was Jose chapter 14 and the end of Hosea, which means that tomorrow,

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_01]: which this, you may get this on Saturday, but we're going to release another episode at some

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: point today.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: So later we're going to release our next episode, which is Q and a Saturday, maybe on Saturday,

[00:09:44] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe not who knows possibly evening.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, whatever sometime in there.

[00:09:49] [SPEAKER_01]: And then I will get the weekly wrap up out here after that on Sunday.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_01]: And then on Monday, we'll be starting.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: No, because we have to do the book wrap up.

[00:10:01] [SPEAKER_02]: And then we have to do the you're always wrong.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we do in the special episode starting next week.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And then our special episode will start on Wednesday or live discord at 10 Eastern.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_01]: If you're on discord with us.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And so then on Thursday, we will start Joel.

[00:10:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Sounds good.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it all straight now.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_01]: No, not at all.

[00:10:29] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.

[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's okay.

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_01]: See you guys.

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_00]: Bye.