Hosea Chapter 3: Bible Study by Atheists

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[00:01:52] Do you remember where we are?

[00:01:55] Yes, we just got done reading Hosea chapter 2.

[00:01:59] Hosehead?

[00:01:59] Sure.

[00:02:01] And in that chapter, we heard from Hosea about his wife

[00:02:07] who then was actually God speaking.

[00:02:11] Right.

[00:02:11] And his wife apparently, slash God, said that his wife, slash Israelites

[00:02:16] were assholes and they were prostitutes and they cheated on him a lot.

[00:02:22] Right.

[00:02:23] And his wife, slash God said that they suck and that he might redeem them someday though.

[00:02:27] And so that was basically what we read, I think.

[00:02:32] There was a lot of confusion in my mind as to who the fuck was talking about who

[00:02:37] and why we were talking about it.

[00:02:39] But really, what I think happened is that Hosea just didn't like his wife

[00:02:42] and he wrote about it.

[00:02:44] That's what I think.

[00:02:45] And he blamed God for that shittiness that he wrote.

[00:02:49] That's how I saw it.

[00:02:50] And he was pretty fucked up about it too.

[00:02:52] You know?

[00:02:53] I mean, he sounded pretty bitter.

[00:02:54] Yeah.

[00:02:55] And then he's like, you really suck.

[00:02:57] You suck a lot.

[00:02:58] You did all these things.

[00:02:59] You were horrible.

[00:03:00] Even our kids on ours.

[00:03:01] Said God.

[00:03:03] Yeah.

[00:03:04] Exactly.

[00:03:06] I'm like, okay, this is a weird book.

[00:03:10] It really is.

[00:03:11] I'm like, what are we doing?

[00:03:12] What is Hosea even?

[00:03:13] Like, what are we doing here?

[00:03:15] What is a ho—

[00:03:15] I don't get that.

[00:03:17] Like, okay, look, I get it.

[00:03:19] It's symbolism, right?

[00:03:20] I understand what we're doing here.

[00:03:21] But I don't like where it's gone.

[00:03:24] Right.

[00:03:24] It's gone with a lot—

[00:03:25] Like, there's a lot of misogyny and just like male-centric shittiness here.

[00:03:32] Yeah.

[00:03:32] And it's stupid.

[00:03:34] It's dumb.

[00:03:34] And I don't think it has any place in modern thought.

[00:03:38] So that's what I got so far.

[00:03:41] Yeah.

[00:03:41] And that being said, that was Hosea chapter 2.

[00:03:44] Sure as fuck was.

[00:03:45] Which means that today we're reading—

[00:03:48] Ho's head, chapter 3.

[00:03:49] Yeah, that's the one.

[00:03:51] Let's do this.

[00:03:51] Okie dokie.

[00:03:58] Alright, let's get into this ho's head chapter.

[00:04:01] Hosea, chapter 3.

[00:04:03] Yeah.

[00:04:04] It's a real long one, right?

[00:04:05] Super long.

[00:04:06] Yeah.

[00:04:07] In no way whatsoever.

[00:04:09] It's only five verses.

[00:04:10] So this is going to be like a break.

[00:04:13] We're in and out.

[00:04:14] Yeah, this is going to be short.

[00:04:17] Actually, while I got everybody—

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[00:04:45] I only did it because this is a short episode.

[00:04:47] So I'm trying to gain an extra minute.

[00:04:49] Oh my God.

[00:04:50] All right, ready?

[00:04:52] Yes.

[00:04:52] You doofus.

[00:04:53] The Lord said to me—

[00:04:56] To Hosea.

[00:04:57] Hosea.

[00:04:58] Yeah, yeah.

[00:04:58] Hosehead.

[00:04:59] Right.

[00:04:59] Go!

[00:05:00] Show your love to your wife again.

[00:05:03] Show your love.

[00:05:05] Like just—

[00:05:06] Does that like show your penis to your wife?

[00:05:08] No, no.

[00:05:09] He's saying—

[00:05:10] Remember how just a few sentences ago,

[00:05:12] Hosea, I was like, that bitch.

[00:05:14] Yeah.

[00:05:15] She's such a whore.

[00:05:16] Yeah.

[00:05:16] Now I'm saying, hey, you know that whore?

[00:05:18] Go love her again.

[00:05:19] It's okay.

[00:05:20] Okay.

[00:05:20] We're going to forgive her.

[00:05:21] Yeah.

[00:05:21] Okay.

[00:05:22] Yeah.

[00:05:22] Though she is loved by another man—

[00:05:24] Oh.

[00:05:25] And is an adulteress.

[00:05:26] Oh.

[00:05:27] Oh wow.

[00:05:28] And—

[00:05:28] Mm.

[00:05:29] Okay.

[00:05:30] Love her as the Lord loves the Israelites.

[00:05:34] I don't know that I would want anybody to love me that way.

[00:05:36] I don't want to be loved that way.

[00:05:37] Don't love me like God loves the Israelites ever.

[00:05:40] Please.

[00:05:42] Yeah, that's not a good thing.

[00:05:43] Though they turn to other gods and love the sacred raisin cakes.

[00:05:47] The sacred raisin cakes, huh?

[00:05:50] That's interesting.

[00:05:50] That's very specific.

[00:05:52] It is.

[00:05:52] I did see in the notes and I'll have to check again because I wasn't sure what it was referring to in the notes when I was kind of doing a precursory research thing.

[00:06:04] Uh-huh.

[00:06:05] It said something about the different translations and that it might refer to grapes or vines instead of raisin cakes.

[00:06:14] I don't know.

[00:06:15] Okay.

[00:06:15] Or dried raisin—or dried grapes, which are raisins.

[00:06:18] But I'm assuming whatever it is is something specifically that is for another god, right?

[00:06:23] Yeah.

[00:06:24] So they like—she likes to eat that other stuff that's for those other gods.

[00:06:29] Sure.

[00:06:30] But still forgive her.

[00:06:31] Yeah, I guess.

[00:06:32] So I, Hosea, Hosea, all right, bought her for 15 shekels of silver.

[00:06:40] Okay.

[00:06:40] I bought my bitch back and about a Homer and a lethic of barley.

[00:06:48] Oh, so he bought—he bought food.

[00:06:51] But where were you at that moment?

[00:06:52] I bought her.

[00:06:53] He's saying I kicked my bitch out and now she's living with some other dude and so I bought her back.

[00:07:01] Oh.

[00:07:02] And what I spent to get her back was 15 shekels of barley and about a Homer and a lethic of barley.

[00:07:08] I have to say real quick, like if you can buy a woman then I don't feel like it's her fault that she was considered a prostitute.

[00:07:19] Right.

[00:07:19] If a woman can be bought and sold by men, that doesn't indicate freedom of—they don't have a choice there.

[00:07:29] I don't feel like the woman is just being bought and or sold.

[00:07:33] That's not love, that's slavery.

[00:07:37] Yeah.

[00:07:38] Sexual slavery at that.

[00:07:40] So I think there's more to it than that.

[00:07:44] Okay.

[00:07:45] I'm not arguing with you.

[00:07:47] Right.

[00:07:47] It's bad regardless.

[00:07:48] Sure.

[00:07:48] I think that first the father of the bride sells his daughter to a husband.

[00:07:56] Sometimes she's got some say in it and sometimes she doesn't.

[00:08:00] It depends on the father, right?

[00:08:01] Yeah, sure.

[00:08:02] But let's pretend that it was the nicest father ever and he let her choose who she loved.

[00:08:08] Sure.

[00:08:08] Okay.

[00:08:08] So they're married blah, blah, blah and they're happy, right?

[00:08:12] But then—

[00:08:13] The Hosea and the prostitute?

[00:08:15] Yeah.

[00:08:15] Okay.

[00:08:16] So then she becomes a prostitute and he's like bitch be gone.

[00:08:20] And so then she's living on the streets, right?

[00:08:22] And she's like oh my god help.

[00:08:24] And nobody will take her in and finally somebody does but now he owns her, okay?

[00:08:29] Okay.

[00:08:29] So now God is like Hosea go get your fucking wife, bring her back.

[00:08:35] I guess.

[00:08:35] And so now he's like hey guy give me my wife.

[00:08:39] And dude is like she lives here now, I love her.

[00:08:41] But God told him to go marry a prostitute.

[00:08:44] Right.

[00:08:45] You know whatever.

[00:08:45] A promiscuous woman.

[00:08:47] Sure, okay, okay.

[00:08:48] All right, fair enough, fair enough.

[00:08:49] There's some who say she was not a prostitute until after she had her kids or whatever.

[00:08:54] All right, all right.

[00:08:55] This is what I think and I knew a couple like this.

[00:08:58] This is what I think.

[00:09:00] She had three kids, right?

[00:09:02] Yeah.

[00:09:03] Okay.

[00:09:03] So she was probably like overweight and whatever and you know as happens your body gets out

[00:09:11] of bent, you know?

[00:09:13] Sure, sure.

[00:09:13] And then she was like you know what I'm going to better myself.

[00:09:16] And I think that she lost a ton of weight.

[00:09:19] She like went exercising and stuff lost a ton of weight and was like babe look how good

[00:09:23] I look.

[00:09:23] And he was like fuck you bitch.

[00:09:25] And she was like no babe come on let's go out clubbing and stuff.

[00:09:30] I look great.

[00:09:30] And he was like bitch I'm tired, I'm old, I work all day.

[00:09:35] I just want to sit at home.

[00:09:36] And she's like fine I'm going out without you.

[00:09:39] And the more that she went out the more he was like this bitch right here.

[00:09:42] And so then she was like fine fuck you I don't need this.

[00:09:46] And she was living her best life and maybe there was sex involved or not.

[00:09:50] I don't know depends who you ask.

[00:09:52] Right?

[00:09:53] Yeah sure.

[00:09:53] And so then he realized after she was gone oh she was for real and she used to do the dishes

[00:10:01] and she was a good mom to these kids.

[00:10:04] Man, I miss her.

[00:10:06] And she's like whatever I'm skinny now I look good.

[00:10:10] Like I did know a couple like that where they were both overweight and then she was like trying

[00:10:19] to encourage both of them together to get in shape and lose some weight and eat healthier.

[00:10:24] Sure.

[00:10:25] And he was like not about it like enthusiastically or anything he's like whatever I'll eat whatever

[00:10:30] you cook for dinner but I'm not really about the gym.

[00:10:33] Right.

[00:10:33] And she like got really really super thin and looked good.

[00:10:36] And she wanted to go flaunt her body and go out clubbing and stuff.

[00:10:40] And he was like you can go without me I just you know I'm good here thanks.

[00:10:45] And so anyway she did end up cheating on him because she was going out all the time and

[00:10:51] he still loved her and he was like why can't you just be happy at home come on.

[00:10:57] Right.

[00:10:57] And she was like no bye.

[00:10:59] Got it.

[00:11:00] And that was sad.

[00:11:01] Yeah.

[00:11:01] Okay anyway sorry.

[00:11:04] I'm just saying I think that that is what happened.

[00:11:06] I don't think she was just like woke up one day and was like boom God said I'm a hoe.

[00:11:12] Okay.

[00:11:12] All right so anyway then I bought her back with the barley in the silver and then I

[00:11:19] hose head told her Gomer you are to live with me many days you must not be a prostitute

[00:11:27] or be intimate with any man and I will behave the same way toward you.

[00:11:33] Okay.

[00:11:34] That sounds like a really shitty.

[00:11:37] I'm not going to fuck you and then also but you can't fuck anybody else either.

[00:11:42] No sex for you.

[00:11:43] I guess I just I mean literally he's saying I bought you.

[00:11:46] I bought you and you will have only the sex that I say you will have which is none.

[00:11:51] Right.

[00:11:52] And hypothetically this is symbolism for God right so yeah.

[00:11:56] God is like stay home.

[00:11:58] I bought you back from Egypt or whatever the fuck ever right or Babylon whatever whoever

[00:12:03] whatever it is right yeah and stay home.

[00:12:06] Okay we're not in love but I have you.

[00:12:08] Sure.

[00:12:09] For the Israelites will live many days without King or Prince without sacrifice

[00:12:15] or sacred stones without ifod or household gods afterward the Israelites will return

[00:12:21] and seek the Lord their God and David their King they will come trembling to the Lord

[00:12:26] and to his blessings in the last days the end in the last days.

[00:12:30] Okay so apparently they're still living in prison or ship.

[00:12:36] Sure well it's interesting though like the last days but kind of translated into

[00:12:40] some of the stuff that like Ezekiel and some of the whatever there were

[00:12:46] we heard some of that stuff in some of the other prophets yeah and so that's

[00:12:50] interesting I guess to this very day right no no no there's no

[00:12:56] talking about the last days like the end days I know right which which you know

[00:13:00] to this very day is the it's happening forever and ever right yeah no I know

[00:13:06] but it has the same kind of feeling to it where it's like did you know at the

[00:13:12] time that 2000 years plus later that it still wouldn't have happened yet

[00:13:16] well it's it's funny to me because there's always there's always this

[00:13:19] talk about how there's always in a days right even you know you can go

[00:13:23] back in any generation and there's always been an end times scenario where

[00:13:27] Christian like it's the end of days in this night blah you know whatever

[00:13:32] and it so it was happening even back before Jesus right like they've been

[00:13:38] they've been calling for the end of fucking times right for all time which is

[00:13:43] really funny because you know that movie that I made you watch with me

[00:13:48] was it called like don't look up or something like that had Jennifer Lawson

[00:13:52] in it and it had Leonardo DiCaprio right bunch of people in it yeah and

[00:14:00] like a meteor's coming and the scientists are like no but this time

[00:14:05] the end really is nice sure and like none of the the religious people

[00:14:11] were having any of it right so it's like they want the world to end real bad

[00:14:15] but only on their terms because we're like oh no you're right the world is ending

[00:14:19] but you know because we're setting it on fire and the ice caps are melting

[00:14:23] yeah you know Louisiana like half of it is underwater from where Katrina hit

[00:14:31] several you know years ago and like I just read a thing that said if they

[00:14:35] suffer one more hurricane like that then a lot of New Orleans will be gone

[00:14:42] yeah so I mean like yes Christians you are right the world really will be ending

[00:14:48] if you don't change your shit but not the way you think it will right right I

[00:14:54] did I was doing more of a comment for me I like that yes you can contend if you

[00:14:59] continually call for the end of times eventually you might be right right

[00:15:03] you know yeah there might be a meteor there might be special at that point

[00:15:07] right yeah whenever in the times happens yep you guys call it for sure right

[00:15:13] you've been calling it for like 2000 plus years right it was bound to end

[00:15:19] sometime yeah yeah but everybody's so sure that it's now it's always now

[00:15:23] it's always now yeah anyway so that was a really short chapter it was and

[00:15:30] so we're done we're done that was Jose chapter 3 it was hosehead

[00:15:35] chapter 3 which means that we'll be back tomorrow with hosehead chapter 4

[00:15:40] Jose chapter 4 why do you look so irritated because he is a hosehead right

[00:15:45] right but you just like you don't ever stop saying never that's the only you

[00:15:50] never say hosea I did sometimes a little bit at the beginning very very

[00:15:55] small look here's the thing yeah he bought a woman he did last chapter he

[00:16:00] was tying her to the table and showing off her good I'm not arguing I don't

[00:16:04] I don't I'm not arguing that point what I'm arguing is the you know ability for

[00:16:08] people to follow what we're talking about well that's why you are saying it

[00:16:13] correctly and I don't mind that but you don't have to look so fucking irritated

[00:16:18] when I'm calling this guy a hosehead got it so that was that was hosehead

[00:16:24] chapter 3 sure as fuck one way back tomorrow with hosehead chapter 4

[00:16:59] that's correct alright see you then

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