Hosea Chapter 4: Bible Study by Atheists

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[00:00:02] For this is what the Sovereign Lord says!

[00:00:04] Why do you need prophets to tell people who you are and what you want?

[00:00:07] If you can justify everything that the God of the Bible has done,

[00:00:12] then you can justify any of your behavior.

[00:00:14] A lot of this mentality is trickling into

[00:00:17] what is now mainstream right wing Christianity.

[00:00:21] I am capable of empathy greater than this God of the Bible.

[00:00:26] This is a Bible that they tell kids this is the good Lord,

[00:00:31] this is the good book.

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[00:01:18] Husband!

[00:01:18] Wife!

[00:01:19] Do you know where we are? Where we've been? What's happening?

[00:01:22] Well, so the last time we were on here, which was a while ago,

[00:01:27] it was.

[00:01:28] We read Hosea chapter 3.

[00:01:30] We did.

[00:01:30] And in that chapter, it was a really short chapter.

[00:01:34] It was.

[00:01:35] And it kind of reiterated some of the things that had already happened.

[00:01:37] Basically, it was God telling Hosea to buy back his whore of a wife or whatever.

[00:01:45] Right.

[00:01:45] And eventually, you know, they'll reconcile and that's kind of a metaphor for whore

[00:01:50] or whatever.

[00:01:51] Yeah, that's the right word.

[00:01:52] What's going to happen to Israel.

[00:01:55] Israel is the whore-wife and God is the forgiving husband that'll buy back

[00:02:00] his land and...

[00:02:01] Which I still think is hilarious.

[00:02:03] Like, Hosea is being used as a real-time metaphor for what's happening to Israel.

[00:02:11] Right.

[00:02:12] Like this person supposedly a real person, hypothetically.

[00:02:14] Right.

[00:02:15] Right.

[00:02:16] And he is directly having to take the actions to represent what is happening

[00:02:20] and what will happen to Israel.

[00:02:22] Right.

[00:02:22] That's just weird.

[00:02:24] It's fucking...

[00:02:24] I know I say weird a lot, but it really is.

[00:02:27] Yeah.

[00:02:27] Like, I don't know that I have a better word for it.

[00:02:30] It's just...

[00:02:30] It's fucking weird.

[00:02:31] It's bizarre.

[00:02:32] Sure.

[00:02:33] Yeah.

[00:02:33] I guess I could use, you know...

[00:02:35] It's odd.

[00:02:35] I need to use the thesaurus, but...

[00:02:37] It's strange.

[00:02:37] Still.

[00:02:38] Yeah.

[00:02:39] It's not normal.

[00:02:41] Yeah.

[00:02:41] Those things.

[00:02:41] Those things, right?

[00:02:43] So speaking of not normal...

[00:02:46] And also speaking of...

[00:02:49] So why has it been so long?

[00:02:51] Yeah.

[00:02:52] Yeah.

[00:02:52] That's what I was getting to.

[00:02:54] Let's just...

[00:02:55] So there...

[00:02:56] Let's preface it with this.

[00:02:57] We did a half-hour episode that is available for anybody to the public on Patreon.

[00:03:04] So if you head over to our Patreon page at patreon.com forward slash sacralitis discourse,

[00:03:09] you can listen to what happened to wife.

[00:03:13] Yes.

[00:03:13] And, oh boy.

[00:03:15] It is a fucking story.

[00:03:17] You might not even believe it.

[00:03:19] It would be like if I won the lottery, but opposite, opposite.

[00:03:23] Yeah.

[00:03:24] Yeah.

[00:03:25] Like exactly opposite.

[00:03:26] Right.

[00:03:27] Stuff we're still dealing with by the way.

[00:03:29] But so that being said, we were going to try to be back on schedule,

[00:03:33] but we don't want to make any like 100% promises.

[00:03:37] Cause wife has some, let's just say drugs that may knock her out some nights.

[00:03:44] Some lingering pain issues.

[00:03:47] But if you want the full story, like I said, it's a half-hour fucking episode that we did on Patreon.

[00:03:52] Yeah.

[00:03:53] For free, for anybody.

[00:03:54] Yeah.

[00:03:54] All you gotta do is hop over there.

[00:03:55] Yeah.

[00:03:56] You don't have to be a paying member so it's available to the public.

[00:04:00] So and speaking of Patreon, we actually have a...

[00:04:04] We have a new member.

[00:04:05] What?

[00:04:05] Yeah.

[00:04:06] Yeah.

[00:04:06] So I want to do a shout out for Clara Y.

[00:04:10] Clara?

[00:04:11] Yeah.

[00:04:11] Or they said that we could try to pronounce it, let's see, is their Dutch nickname, which

[00:04:18] is Klarcha.

[00:04:21] Klarcha?

[00:04:22] Klarchi?

[00:04:22] Klarchi?

[00:04:23] Klarcha?

[00:04:24] Klarcha?

[00:04:24] Hold on.

[00:04:25] Hold on.

[00:04:25] Hold on.

[00:04:26] Right there.

[00:04:26] Phonetically you would say Klarcha.

[00:04:28] Klarcha.

[00:04:29] Okay.

[00:04:29] We're going to go with Klarcha.

[00:04:30] Okay.

[00:04:30] So that's who is our new patron.

[00:04:33] Klarcha!

[00:04:34] And actually we have more coming so like I just wanted to say that.

[00:04:38] We're behind because we've been missing.

[00:04:41] So one of the specifically, just get back into it and say thank you to Klarcha.

[00:04:46] Thank you so much.

[00:04:47] I really appreciate you.

[00:04:49] No, definitely.

[00:04:50] And Clara has been around for a while like in and out of different places so like

[00:04:55] I think we've seen them on some of our social media platforms and things.

[00:04:58] So I know of them.

[00:05:01] Well, where they really ought to be is come hang out with us on our

[00:05:04] Discord when we do our Discord.

[00:05:05] They are over there sometimes.

[00:05:07] On the lives?

[00:05:08] No, they may, I think they may have showed up on one, maybe two.

[00:05:11] Oh.

[00:05:12] Possibly.

[00:05:12] Well, pardon me Klarcha.

[00:05:14] Yeah.

[00:05:14] I apologize.

[00:05:16] But yeah, so thank you so much.

[00:05:19] From the bottom of our hearts.

[00:05:20] Thank you very much.

[00:05:21] Apparently one of the things that got them to be an atheist was that

[00:05:25] their parents read the Bible to them.

[00:05:28] I'm just saying.

[00:05:29] Mistake.

[00:05:30] At least that's the way I'm interpreting what they said to it.

[00:05:34] Which is kind of part of the impetus of what we're doing, right?

[00:05:39] Making us even more.

[00:05:39] If we just read it and comment on it, there it is, right?

[00:05:43] It's there for everybody to see it.

[00:05:44] And if you actually take the time to see it, it's fucking ridiculous.

[00:05:48] Fucking ridiculous.

[00:05:49] It's fucking weird.

[00:05:50] It's weird, yo.

[00:05:51] Yeah.

[00:05:52] Y'all, the Bible's so weird.

[00:05:53] It is.

[00:05:54] All right.

[00:05:55] So we just got done, well not just the last episode we did was

[00:05:59] Hosea chapter three.

[00:06:00] Correct.

[00:06:01] Which means that today we're going to be getting into.

[00:06:04] Ho's head chapter four.

[00:06:06] That's right.

[00:06:07] Let's do this.

[00:06:07] Okie dokie.

[00:06:13] All right.

[00:06:14] So we are hopping here into Ho's head chapter four.

[00:06:18] Hosea chapter four.

[00:06:19] If you insist.

[00:06:21] I mean, just for clarity.

[00:06:23] All right.

[00:06:24] Yeah, if somebody skipped the intro.

[00:06:27] I'm saying that it could happen.

[00:06:29] It could.

[00:06:30] You know?

[00:06:31] Like Patreon fucking bull just get to the shit.

[00:06:34] You know?

[00:06:34] Yeah.

[00:06:34] It might be somebody who does that.

[00:06:36] It's true.

[00:06:37] Who's that?

[00:06:37] But Ho's head is more fun.

[00:06:39] I don't disagree.

[00:06:40] And I'm sorry but this whole book is just one big Ho's head.

[00:06:46] Don't you agree?

[00:06:47] Thus far yes.

[00:06:49] All right.

[00:06:49] I'm not it.

[00:06:50] Like the realism of this is just like and we said this about Daniel too, right?

[00:06:55] This is not for real.

[00:06:57] It's over the top.

[00:06:58] It's so silly.

[00:06:59] This is not a thing that either this guy just really fucking hated his wife and just

[00:07:05] one of the talk shit in the Bible for all time for everybody to hear.

[00:07:08] Yeah.

[00:07:09] Or this is just played up and bullshit.

[00:07:12] Lake if I wanted to.

[00:07:16] Here's the thing.

[00:07:17] Lake I want to not ever talk about my exes ever.

[00:07:21] Like I don't want to write them into a book forever more about how much they suck and

[00:07:25] I hate them.

[00:07:26] Yeah.

[00:07:26] Lake I want to just live without them in my thoughts.

[00:07:31] Sure.

[00:07:31] Like never think of my exes again.

[00:07:34] Isn't that the way you would prefer to live?

[00:07:36] Yeah, definitely.

[00:07:37] Lake let's just not think of them ever.

[00:07:40] Right.

[00:07:40] So yeah they must have been going through it.

[00:07:43] Well, I get the sense that maybe they thought that this would be a better way for

[00:07:48] people to relate to this relationship that they're trying to describe with God.

[00:07:53] Sure.

[00:07:53] We can put it in a personal scenario.

[00:07:55] Boiling down to a one-on-one thing.

[00:07:58] Yeah, it will be easier for people to understand what we're talking about.

[00:08:01] I'm sure that's where this book came from.

[00:08:04] Right.

[00:08:05] I mean they say that.

[00:08:06] So yeah.

[00:08:07] Right.

[00:08:07] I want to be able to describe this relationship to the masses and why

[00:08:12] these things are happening.

[00:08:13] You are sinning so bad that you are basically being as shitty as an adulterous wife.

[00:08:20] Which apparently only men mattered back then, so that's how they wrote this.

[00:08:24] Right.

[00:08:25] And in modern relevance it has zero.

[00:08:28] Exactly.

[00:08:29] Exactly.

[00:08:31] Unless you're like part of that whole Chad universe.

[00:08:33] Sure.

[00:08:34] In my world has zero relevance, okay?

[00:08:36] I think in the majority of the right thinking progressive.

[00:08:41] I said right thinking but I meant correct.

[00:08:44] Correct thinking.

[00:08:45] Not right as in Christian.

[00:08:48] Right.

[00:08:48] Right as in correct.

[00:08:50] Yes.

[00:08:51] And good and progressive and liberal and educated and trying to do.

[00:08:57] That is correct.

[00:08:58] Right even.

[00:08:59] Fuck off.

[00:09:01] All right, here we go.

[00:09:03] Ready?

[00:09:03] I'm ready.

[00:09:04] Hear the word of the Lord, yes Israelites.

[00:09:07] Because the Lord has a charge to bring against you who live in the land.

[00:09:13] Okay.

[00:09:14] This is no faithfulness, no love, no acknowledgement of God in the land.

[00:09:20] There is oh okay so we're starting out this chapter with God laying out the here's how

[00:09:27] y'all done fucked up.

[00:09:28] I'm gonna give you a grocery list of how much I hate you.

[00:09:32] Yeah.

[00:09:33] Which is I mean it's in every book right?

[00:09:36] Right.

[00:09:36] There is like a list in every fucking book of the Bible of how much God hates his people.

[00:09:41] You're a worm, let me tell you the ways why.

[00:09:45] I just it blows me away like why if you spent this much time talking about how much you

[00:09:50] hated a person would you then turn around and say that you love that person?

[00:09:54] And worship them.

[00:09:55] I just I don't get it.

[00:09:56] No I'm talking about God.

[00:09:58] Right.

[00:09:58] If God hates them this much.

[00:10:00] Right.

[00:10:01] Why do you then turn around and say you love them?

[00:10:04] Like it doesn't make any sense right?

[00:10:05] You either hate them or you love them.

[00:10:07] Right.

[00:10:07] But you can't be both right?

[00:10:09] If you love them you're gonna love them.

[00:10:12] You love them regardless of their flaws, regardless of their failings and you protect and take

[00:10:18] care of them.

[00:10:19] Yeah.

[00:10:20] Regardless because you have literally and I mean literally all the power right?

[00:10:26] Yeah.

[00:10:26] You can change their hearts.

[00:10:27] You can kill them all.

[00:10:29] You can do whatever the fuck you want but you choose to hate them.

[00:10:33] Yeah.

[00:10:33] And torture them and spread them out and do all these shitty things that are just horrible

[00:10:38] to them.

[00:10:38] Right.

[00:10:39] And you want to then say you love them.

[00:10:42] Yeah.

[00:10:42] And I don't agree.

[00:10:45] That is not what love is.

[00:10:46] That is not love yeah.

[00:10:48] And I can just hear somebody saying oh you wouldn't understand it's a godly love well see

[00:10:55] but godly love should be better than human love and it's not that's not that's

[00:11:02] just bad math friends.

[00:11:03] But here and the other side of this is that love and respect has evolved in human nature

[00:11:10] right from the times of the Bible.

[00:11:12] Yeah.

[00:11:12] Right but the ideas that are presented in the Bible obviously because we're talking

[00:11:17] about ideas that are thousands of years old those ideas have not evolved with us.

[00:11:23] Right exactly.

[00:11:24] Right so they have been we are still worshiping a god that we are that still because

[00:11:30] we still use the same fucking book is promoting archaic ideas of what love is and what respect

[00:11:36] is and what any of these ideas represent.

[00:11:40] And we're treating it as the gospel.

[00:11:43] Yeah.

[00:11:44] Right and it's not compatible with today's society.

[00:11:49] It's just not compatible.

[00:11:50] It's not compatible with any functioning society where people are equals.

[00:11:56] Right especially with regard to how they talk about and treat women in the Bible or

[00:12:01] people of color.

[00:12:02] And that's particularly why I don't like this book.

[00:12:04] Right.

[00:12:04] Right we're talking we're talking in terms of a whore woman right like that's how we're

[00:12:10] referring to the shittiness of Israel.

[00:12:12] Yeah.

[00:12:13] We're already off on a bad foot.

[00:12:15] Yeah fucking whore.

[00:12:16] Like what?

[00:12:17] Like I can't.

[00:12:19] It went wrong from the first fucking word.

[00:12:22] Yeah.

[00:12:22] Like no this is wrong.

[00:12:24] Yeah let's just not.

[00:12:25] But anyway.

[00:12:26] Right.

[00:12:26] Here we are we're in the Bible.

[00:12:28] Grocery list ready?

[00:12:29] Yeah I'm ready.

[00:12:30] Okay here's how much I hate you here's what you've done.

[00:12:32] Okay.

[00:12:32] There is only cursing lying and murder stealing and adultery they break all bounds and bloodshed

[00:12:40] follows bloodshed.

[00:12:42] Wow.

[00:12:42] Because of this the land dries up and all who live in it waste away.

[00:12:47] I see.

[00:12:48] The beasts of the field the birds in the sky and the fish in the sea are swept

[00:12:53] away.

[00:12:55] That's interesting.

[00:12:56] That's not a thing that we did by lying that's a thing that God maybe did for being pissed.

[00:13:02] Yeah right those are actions that God would because that's not natural those are not natural

[00:13:06] phenomenon if things were happening yeah that was not natural phenomenon.

[00:13:10] Right exactly.

[00:13:11] At least they're being exaggerated at the very least.

[00:13:14] But let no one bring a charge let no one accuse another for your people are like

[00:13:19] those who bring charges against a priest you stumble day and night and the prophets stumble

[00:13:26] with you so I will destroy your mother.

[00:13:30] Wait what's like a true who brings charges against a priest was that are they saying

[00:13:34] that's a bad thing to bring charges because I know he's saying that you would think

[00:13:39] that the priests would be better but here let me just tell you a thing or two he's

[00:13:43] about to go into the priests are even fucking worse okay okay well then that account he's

[00:13:48] right.

[00:13:48] So he's going to destroy your mother.

[00:13:50] Yeah it's funny because like it's got mother dash yeah and then like the next line is a

[00:13:57] new sentence so I like I think was that the rest of the word was fucker like oh yeah

[00:14:03] I will destroy your mother fucker but no it's just mother.

[00:14:07] Well yeah they wouldn't have said mother fucker.

[00:14:09] No I know but that's where my mind.

[00:14:10] No yeah obviously because I am three.

[00:14:13] My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge because you have rejected knowledge I also reject

[00:14:21] you as my priestesses priesties.

[00:14:24] Okay the knowledge would be the word of God that they're supposed to hear but are not

[00:14:29] yeah is that the Torah the law okay okay yeah he's saying y'all have rejected it and so

[00:14:37] I reject you bitches how about that because you have ignored the law of your God I also

[00:14:43] will ignore your children.

[00:14:45] Oh that's fair.

[00:14:46] Which is your followers you know so he's saying priest since you fucked up I'm gonna punish

[00:14:53] the people that follow you.

[00:14:55] And this is where I have a real problem with the way God treats people because he

[00:15:00] treats the followers of the priests who are getting it wrong yeah the same way he

[00:15:05] would treat somebody that's getting it wrong yeah right but the problem is that it's people

[00:15:10] higher up right he doesn't talk to the people directly.

[00:15:14] So when he's saying this he's saying I don't give a fuck whether you got the message or

[00:15:18] not I'm still punishing you and that's bullshit.

[00:15:22] That is bullshit that's not fair.

[00:15:24] And I have been told yeah God's not fair like as though why did you expect that

[00:15:30] he would be and I'm like because you want me to love this dude yeah I don't love people

[00:15:38] that aren't fair and just one when you did get into it enough they're like well that

[00:15:43] was Old Testament they treated people differently back in the Old Testament and I'm like why

[00:15:49] why did God treat people differently back in the old well they needed a different type

[00:15:53] of of harsher love back then but but but but but hold on these people didn't even

[00:15:59] know what God was saying because they weren't being told right so this has nothing to do

[00:16:04] with them needing a harsher love or a harsher whatever they specifically didn't get the

[00:16:12] message right that's what God is saying yeah he's saying they didn't get the message

[00:16:17] or that the message was only being told by like one person who's a or Daniel or or

[00:16:25] Jeremiah or Isaiah whatever doesn't fucking matter right one person was telling the correct

[00:16:30] message well all these other people who are all God's messengers were taking the wrong

[00:16:35] message but you as a person who doesn't get messages from God is supposed to somehow discern

[00:16:41] which one is correct and which one is wrong and and then on top of that I today am supposed

[00:16:48] to say yeah that tracks I'm gonna you know follow follow this God he's not fair but that's

[00:16:55] okay God doesn't have to be fair I just decided I'm gonna love a God that's not fair yeah

[00:17:00] for no reason right then that's what bothers me right convince me you're not convincing

[00:17:06] me don't tell me like you just can't understand and nobody ever said God is there what is

[00:17:13] his selling point and you're not going to convince me that God was equitable at any point in the

[00:17:19] old test they don't say he was right no I get it I get it but here's the thing right we are

[00:17:24] supposed to essentially forgive that God in place of the new Jesus God right this Jesus

[00:17:31] character supposed to make the old God be redeemed I guess sure I guess why should

[00:17:37] you ever have to have a redemption for a God right that is the same God that is a different

[00:17:45] God but the same God but a different God but the same God I what the fuck is this yeah it's

[00:17:50] crazy is what it is it's Jack in the box yeah it's God's all the way down I just but not

[00:17:56] funny and that's that's like I we haven't got to the New Testament yet but like this

[00:18:00] whole thing where Jesus is God and God is Jesus and Jesus and God our spirit and

[00:18:04] whatever I don't get it I know you never fucking make sense to me I have kind of like broach

[00:18:10] the topic of the Trinity before and like I've not looked it up to research it and explain it

[00:18:15] but I tried to tell you like my understanding of it based on just you know what I've heard

[00:18:22] over the years or whatever sure and like every time we broach this topic you're like nope

[00:18:25] I'm out I got nothing it's dumb it is dumb that's in my opinion no I totally agree

[00:18:32] you know what to me it feels like a way to excuse anything away right if you want it to be all one

[00:18:39] God you make they're all one God yeah if you want to be separate God you like well they're

[00:18:44] different they're separate well he walked the earth as a human as Jesus and he's you know in your

[00:18:50] heart as the spirit but he's all knowing and the father of us all as you know Yahweh in the

[00:18:57] sky and it follows I whatever what I've discovered is that apologists basically take whatever version

[00:19:02] works best for any moment and that's how they describe away whatever happened yeah so it works

[00:19:08] so fucking convenient but again I I'm like convince me convince me why I should love this God

[00:19:15] yeah there's nothing like you're not talking me into it he's not fair and nobody ever said

[00:19:22] he was we're getting pretty close to the end of the Old Testament right like we're we're we're

[00:19:26] we're you know up on Jesus right yeah and there has not been a single point where I was like yeah

[00:19:31] God redeemed himself there right yeah so I there's not been a single moment where I felt

[00:19:37] that's a good God no there's not been one time but yeah I hear people all the time say God is

[00:19:43] good oh God is good and I'm like but by your own admission he's not that's because they read the

[00:19:49] the platitudes the the the the niceties from the Old Testament and they read the the New Testament and

[00:19:55] they they they mix these things together to make them sound wonderful and beautiful but really if you

[00:20:01] read it all in context if you read it straight through you're in for a whole other story yeah

[00:20:06] you know yeah that that's what we're doing so yeah and I feel like this should be done by

[00:20:12] everybody that is promoting this God honestly like if you have not read the entire Bible straight

[00:20:19] through then you're not a real Christian to me and I get to judge that because um Christianity is an

[00:20:27] opinion anyway so who fucking cares sure you know what I mean right so like the next time somebody's

[00:20:32] like you're fucking atheists I'll be like well you haven't read it all the way straight through

[00:20:37] so you're not a real Christian even Christians can't decide who's the real Christian so I know

[00:20:41] that's what I'm saying fight amongst yourselves right yeah you know I'll shoot shoot and arrest

[00:20:46] arrest and shoot the survivor you know right whatever okay so anyway you suck I hate you because you

[00:20:53] have rejected knowledge I also reject you as my priest because you have ignored the law of your

[00:20:59] God I also will ignore your children the more priests there were the more they sinned against

[00:21:05] me yeah attracts they exchanged their glorious God for something disgraceful those fucks

[00:21:12] better had to do with money and probably yeah they feed on the sins of my people and relish their

[00:21:18] wickedness yeah probably because that means that they get more um sacrificial meat things well

[00:21:24] yeah if you can throw a couple other things in there and be like hey you know if we just do

[00:21:28] this we're gonna make a little bit extra no dough on the side here yeah yeah and it will be

[00:21:33] like people like priests I will punish both of them for their ways and repay them for their deeds

[00:21:39] they will eat but not have enough oh that's like that's even king book thinner

[00:21:46] you know what I want you eat you'll never have enough and never I never read that one so I didn't

[00:21:50] read it but um it was like really really popular and um it came out like when I was in elementary

[00:21:59] school got it so I like was Stephen King adjacent at that point like I hadn't quite tread those waters

[00:22:07] yeah I was still Christopher Pike all the way you know which is like Stephen King light for kids

[00:22:12] you know yeah yeah okay so they will eat but not have enough they will engage in prostitution

[00:22:18] but not flourish okay whoever says it's flourish anyways I don't know like I thought that

[00:22:26] like we look down on prostitutes and frown on them because sex work isn't real work and

[00:22:32] anyway women are gross but apparently these were times when people were doing all the wrong things so

[00:22:37] they're gonna do those things but they're gonna not flourish doing it I guess so apparently during

[00:22:41] this time prostitution was maybe like rolling in the dough by fucking I guess I guess I don't know why

[00:22:48] they weren't rolling in the dough though because apparently they didn't prosper you know or they

[00:22:51] didn't flourish they did but now they're not going oh okay okay because he's saying

[00:22:55] he's gonna make them not okay yeah he's gonna stop them from flourishing got it like I mean let

[00:23:02] let a girl fuck if that's the way she found to make money let her fuck right you know whether she

[00:23:07] chose it or not like that may be the only lifestyle available to her then again she just

[00:23:13] may like it I don't I don't know I don't know the ins and outs of prostitution sure

[00:23:17] but I do know I ain't here to shame anybody for it right all right so anyway but they're not

[00:23:22] gonna flourish because they have deserted the lord to give themselves to prostitution yeah I'm sure that

[00:23:30] that back then that was they were very excited to fuck these dirty dirty dudes yeah with the

[00:23:36] dusty balls well and look we've already talked about how women are treated in the bible right

[00:23:41] so a woman that gets divorced can never remarry right right like what are you supposed to do

[00:23:47] die stupid well I mean I'm seriously die you get married early like you get sent to marriage early

[00:23:54] on in your life in these times like you're an old maid if you ain't married off by 13 right yeah so

[00:23:59] like if you get divorced by 14 what the fuck are you supposed to do with your life well die or

[00:24:05] fuck yeah that's basically your options yeah so yeah that's what I'm saying so I have no it's

[00:24:12] that it's how they survived and it's not even their fucking fault right it's your stupid

[00:24:16] fucking laws that you had that degraded women that you're trying to bring back into style and

[00:24:23] degrade women today yeah fuckers old wine and new wine take away their understanding whatever

[00:24:30] okay my people consult a wooden idol and a diviner's rod speaks to them okay you know what I mean

[00:24:38] they're they're like doing that pagan shit yeah sure a spirit of prostitution leads them astray

[00:24:44] they are unfaithful to their god sounds like they're faithful to their god it's just not you

[00:24:52] they sacrifice yeah yeah they are they are very uh they're they're worshiping something

[00:24:58] they're faithful to their god they're not faithful to you sir right like poor choice of words yeah

[00:25:05] they sacrifice on the mountaintops and burn offerings on the hills under oak poplar and

[00:25:11] terribent where the shade is pleasant seems like fucking pleasant shade i hate i hate when trees

[00:25:20] give me that pleasant shade that's bad stuff that's a that's a good place to fuck i mean

[00:25:25] apparently if i'm gonna fuck outdoors it's gonna be a good shade yeah not the bad shade

[00:25:31] want that bad shade i like pleasant shade yeah yeah right not the unpleasant right yeah the

[00:25:36] unpleasant shade sucks therefore your daughters turn to prostitution and your daughter's in law

[00:25:44] to adultery everybody's all them honey lipped vixens out there cheating on their husbands

[00:25:50] yeah only the women yeah they suck i hate a i hate a vagina i gotta tell you look if you're gonna

[00:25:57] look okay if you're gonna blame somebody right this is how fox news gets away with it

[00:26:02] if you're gonna blame somebody blame somebody that's not watching your shit right right and the men

[00:26:06] are the only ones that give a fuck about this because they're the only ones having the services

[00:26:09] taught to them and everything right so if you're gonna blame somebody blame the immigrants

[00:26:14] blame the black people blame the people that aren't watching fucking fox news right i'm just

[00:26:18] putting this in context of the modern times so that's why they're blaming the women yeah like the

[00:26:24] women aren't they're not there they're not relevant they don't have yeah they they don't matter in this

[00:26:29] time right so that's why they're being blamed for everything because the men are the only ones

[00:26:34] that are currently in a place to make decisions so like with fox news the straight white male

[00:26:41] cis men yeah christian is the only one that quote unquote matters i would say they speak to the

[00:26:49] women too on on fox news that yeah that granite they are trying to back tread on some of the

[00:26:55] it's right women have it's cute because they're they're trying to do the thing that um if you

[00:27:01] watched the show the handmaid's tail right they're trying to do the thing where serena joy

[00:27:07] like you know she spoke for women to go tread they're co-op team and then she's like oh fuck but

[00:27:16] it applies to me right like yes sweetheart you have a vagina my darling do you not bleed out your

[00:27:24] pussy right you nasty they don't like that yeah but they do want to fuck it right they want to

[00:27:31] fuck it so much so you better lay down because that's what's gonna happen right in this trad world

[00:27:39] don't be a serena joy right don't sell out no because you think that you climbed up the ladder

[00:27:46] and you pulled it up behind you but what you didn't know that they gave you that ladder and they

[00:27:51] can take it away yeah definitely stupid ass women trad women just they're so dumb they're so

[00:27:58] you're gonna have to describe you're gonna have to define trad women to me because i don't know

[00:28:02] i've heard the term but i don't know that is short for traditional and so it's just a way of

[00:28:09] it's this new wave across the ticktocks and the facebook uh shorts and the youtube

[00:28:14] shorts i don't know all the what the shorts or i call them all shorts sure okay so all the

[00:28:19] tiktok evine things okay yeah um these trad wives are pushing for traditional marriage between a man

[00:28:29] and a woman and the woman serves her husband got it you know she brings him his beer and

[00:28:35] he's in charge and oh daddy so it's a whole culture it is a whole thing and it's being

[00:28:42] pushed forth onto the rest of us and um kind of it's kind of christian and the christians have

[00:28:51] co-opted it it was there but it was like underground ish kind of like proud boy stuff yeah used to be

[00:28:58] like you heard about it on the french sure or like um people that talked about jews having

[00:29:05] space lasers from space used to be like friend shit you'd hear about it but you'd be like

[00:29:10] those freaks are weird yeah that think like that but the alpha male stuff is becoming more and

[00:29:16] more prominent and more more relevant in society through social media channels like tiktok like

[00:29:22] um whatever the youtube shorts and all that yeah oh i think facebook is what reels or something

[00:29:28] like that that's instagram oh i don't know i don't fucking know what those shits i don't know what

[00:29:33] they call them on facebook exactly but i don't know they're on there too they're all shorts

[00:29:37] i don't care they're all shorts across the board yeah um yeah the whole trad wife thing is becoming

[00:29:43] like mainstreamed and it's gross it's fucking gross oh i agree and it's stupid because

[00:29:52] they think that they think that um them having a facebook channel a facebook a youtube channel

[00:30:00] is somehow not gonna eventually get taken away from them i think the sad part is that they're

[00:30:06] being validated by men probably almost exclusively maybe some women but like the majority of their

[00:30:13] audience has to be men right and these men are agreeing with their values but what they're

[00:30:19] doing is they're agreeing with they want women to be subservient right that's all they're agreeing

[00:30:25] with they're not agreeing with the fact that you're a better person in fact they don't like women

[00:30:29] they're just saying yeah y'all should fucking bow to me and you know make me dinner bitch

[00:30:33] it's just the new face of incels right that's all it's ever been and it's been incels since the

[00:30:40] beginning of time whatever name that they used to be called and incels of course stands for

[00:30:47] involuntarily celibate because you know women are depriving these poor sweethearts

[00:30:54] their pussy holes right if if we would only let them fuck us they would they would you know be nice

[00:31:03] and then why are all the chads who are not incels why are all the chads getting all these bitches

[00:31:10] right and it's like because you call them bitches and because all you think about is sex and

[00:31:15] because you're not a cool person and you're gross yeah yeah no no one wants to be around you man

[00:31:22] yeah so that's that's the problem except other and incels right and so this whole thing has

[00:31:28] kind of become like like all the weird fringe groups it's like they were all floating around

[00:31:35] in this pool right and then there was like um somebody pulled the plug right and so now

[00:31:40] they're all swirling around together but as they as they swirl around together in this whirlpool

[00:31:45] yeah they all like become closer right yeah like they used to be fringes on the outside like

[00:31:52] on the outside of the bathtub you know what i mean right but you pulled the plug and now

[00:31:56] the whirlpool is bringing them all closer together and now they're like all one big giant

[00:32:00] gross group of dudes that can't get laid and women that want something that i don't quite understand

[00:32:10] they're getting validation they're getting they're getting the validation that like a lot of people

[00:32:16] just seek validation online right and that's what's happening right there they don't i would

[00:32:22] wager that there's a lot of the you call them trad wives or whatever that don't necessarily fully

[00:32:28] believe everything they're saying but they're saying it because they understand that they're part

[00:32:32] of a culture that sort of believe some of these things and when they say them they get validated

[00:32:37] right and the more they say it the more they get validated and the more they get validated

[00:32:42] the more confident they are in these like it's a self-fulfilling prophecy yeah right yeah these

[00:32:48] incels are feeling more they like to call themselves alpha males whatever they're all just

[00:32:54] bunch of shitheads they're all in cells yeah right they are they are feeding these people the

[00:33:00] validation that they're seeking and therefore it's just like this vicious cycle of building upon

[00:33:05] itself because unfortunately probably some of these women are influencing some ideas in

[00:33:11] younger women and different you know ideas through society at this point because of how much traction

[00:33:16] some of this is getting and that's the sad part it is and i don't know how to like part of what we do

[00:33:23] is trying to call out the bullshit in the bible which is adjacent to some of these ideas right

[00:33:28] exactly and that's kind of how we feel about what we're doing is that well these ideas are stemming

[00:33:33] kind of from a religious standpoint yeah so let's talk about religion let's talk about religion

[00:33:39] and let's face and own face up to and own these things that are happening in our society

[00:33:44] right so yeah sorry i know we're way off time but are we though because this is literally down

[00:33:51] downing negging women for the choices that they made to survive right and is that any different

[00:34:00] from what's happening today no so are we really off topic no and i think that's one of the most

[00:34:08] interesting things to me that we've come across while reading the bible is how relevant

[00:34:12] a lot of these ideas are in society today because it's because in large part some of these ideas in

[00:34:19] the Old Testament are coming back to the surface right right we used to live i feel i feel like we

[00:34:25] used to live in this world where jesus was nicer where god was nicer yeah and maybe it was just

[00:34:31] we had less internet and less like clicks and less i don't know what it was i don't know what made

[00:34:36] it feel different right i didn't grow up religious no i don't really understand what i what i'm getting

[00:34:41] at with regards to that understanding of buddy jesus yeah sure like there's a reason that that was

[00:34:47] a meme and it wasn't like a make fun of it meme it was a yeah just be cool to each other man

[00:34:52] right like that was my understanding of jesus stemming maybe from like the you know 70s 60s

[00:34:58] you know hippie movement and on through like there was there was a there was an idea springing

[00:35:03] forth in society that allowed jesus to be kinder gentler you know whatever yeah right but we have

[00:35:10] regressed and we've gone back since the 80s to where jesus is less prominent and the ot god is

[00:35:18] becoming more prominent mm-hmm and that's problematic when you're problematic all for all kinds of

[00:35:24] you hear christians literally say jesus is too woke which i have heard yeah that's

[00:35:31] fucking weird to go back to that again that's bizarre like hardcore bible thumping christians

[00:35:39] saying jesus is too woke okay very weird yeah all right so anyway yeah god hates you and your

[00:35:47] daughters turn to prostitution and your daughters in law to adultery you know because their honey

[00:35:51] sure lipped vixens i will not punish your daughters when they turn to prostitution

[00:35:57] nor your daughters in law when they commit adultery because the men themselves consort with

[00:36:02] harlots and sacrifice with shrine prostitutes wait is he actually calling out men yeah wow that's

[00:36:09] amazing i'm actually kind of shocked there i did not see that coming i didn't either because

[00:36:13] i spent a whole i did a whole rant about how he's not going to say anything about the men

[00:36:17] but here it is he's like men i eat my words a bit right just a bit like because we're still using

[00:36:22] women as the you know as the example here so beat them over the head right yeah because

[00:36:27] you know he's like well i'm not mad at the fucking harlots right but there's still harlots

[00:36:33] they're still fucking harlots i mean literally you know because the men themselves consort with

[00:36:39] harlots and sacrifice with strong shrine prostitutes so he's like they're still just nasty whores

[00:36:46] right but i'm not mad at him or anything sure i get it you know these men out here fucking

[00:36:51] you know all these gross women i mean i'm not mad at the disgusting gross women

[00:36:58] yeah like right we get it yeah okay sorry a people without understanding will come to ruin

[00:37:05] yeah they will i i agree with you sure kind of where we're headed right now right especially if

[00:37:11] you know trump wins yeah yeah though you israel commit adultery do not let juda become guilty

[00:37:20] remember before he was like northern southern yeah okay remember earlier on this is an older

[00:37:25] book so and he was telling the one you came you made the bad choices first yeah so i'm less mad at

[00:37:33] you than i am with the other one who saw how pissed i was at you right and then went ahead

[00:37:40] and did that shit anyways it was easy to forget because we're kind of later in the bible right

[00:37:44] but yeah this was an older book that's still based on that northern tribe southern tribe juda basically

[00:37:49] yeah yeah that that was not we haven't talked about it for a while right he's like um israel

[00:37:57] is such a fuckface and they just done did everything bad and wrong juda don't go down that

[00:38:03] path right you know better you've got an example yeah and then they did anyway and he's

[00:38:08] like womp womp fuck all of you do not go to gilgul do not go up to beth even beth avan beth avenue

[00:38:17] i don't know sure whatever and do not swear as surely as the lord lives the israelites are stubborn

[00:38:23] oh wait no that was the end of that quote do not swear as surely as the lord lives

[00:38:28] oh okay don't swear don't swear don't swear that got it that's my new swear by the way

[00:38:34] surely as the lord lives right oh my leg hurts as surely as the lord lives

[00:38:41] the israelites are stubborn like a stubborn heifer you know how heifers be stubborn well and i think

[00:38:47] yeah right they're pretty hard to move you know i'm just saying but that's an interesting phrasing

[00:38:53] because the heifer was actually the symbol of yaweh in northern israel that's true so it's

[00:38:59] interesting way to phrase that yeah we that's going way back to way back yeah but not that far back

[00:39:06] not that far back right like around the kings and chronicles no i was just saying like as far as

[00:39:12] when we read it versus where we are now that was a that was a while back we read history was

[00:39:16] what we learned about that yeah um israelites are stubborn like a stubborn heifer like you know

[00:39:21] the fucking golden calf that y'all keep trying to bring back i'm bringing heifers back no no no no

[00:39:30] it's it's a yeah no i know i i know what it is just in timberlake yeah i got it i got it i'm bringing

[00:39:34] heifers back i don't i don't think that's gonna i know that's not gonna take off i thought it was

[00:39:38] great i don't think you have a top 40 hit there god damn it yeah how then can the lord

[00:39:44] pastor them like lambs in a meadow if you won't let me bring heifers back

[00:39:51] is that what i know i added i added that last bit the question was how then can the lord

[00:39:57] pastor them like lambs in a meadow oh and then i added if y'all won't let me bring heifers back

[00:40:03] got it got it that's good yeah i like that that was a nice addition that was pretty quick right

[00:40:07] yeah like you it sounded real yeah seem legit it did yeah e from his joins to idols leave him alone

[00:40:16] okay even when their drinks are gone they continue their prostitution

[00:40:22] they don't have to be drunk they get they have the sex anyway they just fuck all over the place

[00:40:27] they fuck raw man they are tore up from the floor up they be fucking all the time

[00:40:33] their rulers dearly love shameful ways i mean i i dearly love shameful ways all the shameful ways

[00:40:41] i dearly dearly love them dearly i also dearly love sharpies you do you do dearly love sharpies

[00:40:49] i dearly love stickers yeah i dearly love afghans i cannot have enough afghans on my bed right um i

[00:40:58] dearly love coffee yeah what do you i just named several things that i dearly love besides

[00:41:06] prostitution and i dearly love you shameful ways oh that was so sweet i might die oh my god

[00:41:15] so many points so many points yeah yeah okay now name something else oh shit you and really i

[00:41:20] gotta come up with something else you're looking around you're like what i mean i guess i love

[00:41:25] no i love uh i love playing games you dearly love playing board games i do and collecting them

[00:41:33] i do yeah that is something i really enjoy you dearly love your record collection i do because

[00:41:39] many of them came from your dad if i had sentimental to you yeah if i had more money to spend on it

[00:41:45] hobby that i would dearly love would be woodworking you would really love to do that yeah

[00:41:50] something i've craved to do for years i was a carpenter briefly when i was younger not like jesus

[00:41:57] i was trying so hard i was like how do i work this in how do i work this in

[00:42:03] but ever since that time i it's something that just the ability to create something with your

[00:42:11] hands to me and it doesn't have to be carpentry right like there's other hobbies that i enjoy

[00:42:17] where i create things i tried to make a lamp once that didn't work out very well with popsicle

[00:42:21] sticks it was it was horrible it worked it did work it did work it was not good but it looked like

[00:42:27] you made it in camp like summer camp when you were like in fifth grade yes and you're like no this

[00:42:34] was just a couple years ago no it was it was really fucking bad it was really bad yeah it's

[00:42:39] like that it's like that uh ornament on your christmas tree that you say oh that was so sweet

[00:42:45] my kid made that when they were three yeah and it's the ugliest goddamn thing on the tree yeah yeah

[00:42:51] but but you still say it's sweet because it is because we're right they did their best i did my best

[00:42:57] you know it was your macaroni art what was i supposed to do and it's just i had never made a

[00:43:01] popsicle lamp before and you know i still wouldn't claim to have done that because that one fucking

[00:43:06] sucked you threw it away and i was so like i was both delighted and sad you and kid made so much

[00:43:12] fun of me over that thing we made fun of you but then when we moved you were like so this is going

[00:43:17] in the trash and i was like what but it's your popsicle lamp and you were like babe it's trash

[00:43:24] come on and i was like i mean it is but it's your popsicle it's your macaroni art yeah right

[00:43:32] right yeah all right ready last last sentence we still have bible left huh we do one sentence

[00:43:39] got it one sentence yeah yeah a whirlwind will sweep them away and their sacrifices will bring

[00:43:44] them shame the end well fuck wow but they're talking about a whirlwind and earlier i was talking about a

[00:43:49] um whirlpool you know yeah that's interesting is that is that i'm a i'm a prophet i'm a god

[00:43:57] damn prophet that one's one's water and the other one's air yeah but it's the word whirl whirl

[00:44:01] okay yeah you you knew that whirl something was gonna be what's gonna not i i've forced

[00:44:08] all the world the world i'm a future teller yeah i read you can tell when there's gonna be a whirl

[00:44:16] in the future there's a whirlwind coming everybody look at random worlds just falling out the sky and

[00:44:25] bathtubs and every which way yeah whirl whirl here and a whirl whirl there all right guys

[00:44:32] that was the end of hosea chapter four sure what was and i said it earlier but uh we maybe a little

[00:44:41] i don't know i don't want to make any promises we may be a little sporadic between now and the next

[00:44:47] couple of weeks because reasons reasons which you can find out about and it is an interesting

[00:44:53] story i i wouldn't point you this direction if i was lying because you absolutely probably won't

[00:45:01] believe it when you hear it but it is an interesting story what happened to wife i will tell you that one

[00:45:07] of my models is and i mentioned this over there catastrophe now makes a great story later yeah

[00:45:13] it was a catastrophe and it is a great story so if you want to hear the story it's available

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[00:45:30] slash sacrilegious discourse and it is called what did i call it it was a wife's wife something

[00:45:37] saga's i don't know wife is broken wife is broken yeah the saga yeah that that's what it's called

[00:45:44] yeah so it'll be if you if you go over there today it'll be the one below this episode on the patreon

[00:45:50] site although you wouldn't be able to i don't know whatever just go find it yeah it'll be one of

[00:45:53] the newest ones up there yeah wife's broken the saga yeah okay go listen to it find out what happened

[00:46:00] to wife and get a good laugh because jesus christ but for it's fucking ridiculous it's perfect though i mean

[00:46:09] it it's something yep it's me that tracks all right that's all we got for today uh we will be

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