Hosea Chapter 7: Bible Study by Atheists

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Sacrilegious Discourse. For this is what the sovereign Lord says, Why do you need prophets to tell people who you are and what you want?

[00:00:08] [SPEAKER_01]: If you can justify everything that the God of the Bible has done, then you can justify any of your behavior.

[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of this mentality is trickling into what is now mainstream right wing Christianity.

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I am capable of empathy greater than this God of the Bible.

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_02]: This is a Bible that they tell kids, This is the good Lord, This is the good book, This is He is fantasizing about murder, mass murder.

[00:00:38] [SPEAKER_02]: And over to sacrilegiousdiscourse.com right now I got a little sort of you or some woody song H&K.

[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And in that chapter God was re- he was comparing Israel's love for him to the morning do, which sounds beautiful until you realize that the due disappears.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what he meant by it is that they love him for a bit and they're like, Hey, bye.

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_02]: And then he...

[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_01]: They're fair with their friends.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't like you anymore and he does horrible things to you.

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: But then he'll love you again at some point because you might go back and love him some more.

[00:01:48] [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'll go like, Hey, and then probably he'll kill you again later.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's the just of you know what's going on.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure's fuckers.

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So that was Jose chapter six.

[00:01:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:02:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Which means that today we're giving him two.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Jose chapter seven.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright let's do this.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Alright, we are hopping into Jose or Jose chapter seven.

[00:02:17] [SPEAKER_02]: That is correct.

[00:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But I have to go back to five a little bit.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, that's that's a ways back.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Because that's where this little bit started and the end of chapter five.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_01]: And it was called the instant serity of Israel's repentance and that's what God is going on and on about.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting because we cut off...

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: I remember we cut off midway through a sentence in Jose chapter six.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where I'm going next.

[00:02:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: But considering there was such a short little piece.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Why didn't they just finish it in chapter six?

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't make sense.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_01]: The scroll got torn.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but why is there longer...

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't actually make sense though.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It's just dumb.

[00:02:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how these things looked in Latin.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know anything about it.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_01]: You're just going to have to trust them.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_01]: But this is what we have to do.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the way it is and that's all there is to it.

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_01]: This is what God wanted us to have.

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_01]: So praise, Jebus.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Got, yeah.

[00:03:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:03:18] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Chapter seven starts in the middle of a sentence that was begun in the previous chapter, which

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_01]: you're going to read.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So right now I'm starting at chapter six verse 11.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Also for you, Judah, a harvest is appointed.

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Whenever I would restore the fortunes of my people.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Continue to chapter seven.

[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Whenever I would heal Israel, the sins of Ephraim are exposed and the crimes of Samaria revealed.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_01]: They practice deceit.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Beaves break into houses.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Bandits rob in the streets.

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But they do not realize that I remember all their evil deeds.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_02]: They don't realize that.

[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't realize it.

[00:04:04] [SPEAKER_01]: You don't tell them often are loud enough.

[00:04:05] [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't tell anybody anything.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_02]: And then when he does, he tells, like we've talked about before, he tells us some random

[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: dude that you have to know that's the right one to understand that he's telling what God is saying.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[00:04:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise there's other priest out there.

[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_02]: He's already talked about it.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_02]: And this book also, as well as other books we've talked about, where they're going on about

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_02]: you know how they should worship other gods too.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:04:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And so who are these people supposed to believe in why should they believe him over them?

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't make any sense.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't make any fucking sense.

[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I probably wouldn't choose any of them because they all silly.

[00:04:40] [SPEAKER_01]: There's sins in golf them.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_01]: They are always before me.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they delight the king with their wickedness, the princes with their lies.

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_01]: They are all adulterers burning like an oven whose fire, the baker need not stir from

[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_01]: the needing of the dough till it rises.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: On the day of the festival of our king, the princes become inflamed with wine.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And he joins hands with the muckers.

[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Their hearts are like an oven.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: They approach him with their intrigue.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Their passions smolders all night.

[00:05:15] [SPEAKER_01]: In the morning at blaze is like a flaming fire.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're getting drunk and having some passion, huh?

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[00:05:23] [SPEAKER_01]: They're making fire in them.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_02]: They get, yeah, right?

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: All of them are hot as an oven.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_01]: They devour their rulers.

[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_01]: All their kings fall and none of them calls on me.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Eeperom mixes with the nations.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Eeperom is a flat loaf not turned over.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, what is grabbing different tribes here that don't worship Yahweh correctly?

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and different kinds of bread.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Foragers.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Foragers.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_02]: With low for you, right?

[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I just want to eat the bread.

[00:05:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right?

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Foriners sap his drink, but he does not realize it.

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: His hair is sprinkled with gray, but he does not notice.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_01]: His reals arrogance testifies against him.

[00:06:07] [SPEAKER_01]: But despite all this, he does not return to the Lord, his God, or search for him.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Cool.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_01]: What a duty, Ed.

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Eeperom is like a dove easily deceived and senseless.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Now calling to Egypt, now turning to Assyria.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_01]: When they go, I will throw my net over them.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_01]: I will pull them down like birds in the sky.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_01]: When I hear them flocking together, I'll catch them.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna get them.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I gotta get them all.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Whoa to them.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Whoa to them.

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Because they have strayed from me.

[00:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Those bitches.

[00:06:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Destruction to them because they have rebel against me.

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_01]: I long to redeem them.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_01]: But they speak out about me firstly.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Those bitches.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it strikes me that today, even, that there's a lot of people who will blame.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: The things are going wrong in our society on those who don't worship Christ, right?

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:07:10] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like, there is this sense that if you can blame bad things on the people that don't worship the same God you do, right?

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just such an easy scapegoat for people to be like, it's all your fault.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Because you don't worship the right way or enough or whatever.

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah?

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's always easier to be angry at people, you know?

[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not as easy to look inward and I feel like that this is kind of how this thought process was going back then

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_02]: as like, let's be angry at these people and not at ourselves.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Always the foreigner.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Always they do not cry out to me from their hearts, but whale on their beds.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_01]: They slash themselves appealing to their gods for grain and new wine.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_01]: But they turn away from me.

[00:07:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I trains them and strengthen their arms, but they plot evil against me.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_01]: They do not turn to the most high.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_01]: They are like a faulty bow, bow, not bow, bow.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_01]: And they are like a sword because of their insulin words.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: For this, they will be ridiculed in the land of Egypt.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh.

[00:08:21] [SPEAKER_02]: The end.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Because they, okay.

[00:08:25] [SPEAKER_02]: But I thought they were turning to Egypt and a Syria for help or something.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: This is so back and forth, the timing why me?

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_02]: I have a sense that we're referring to something that was happening back then.

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Like there's all these, again, it's political machinations that are happening.

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And it's hard for us to grasp exactly what's going on and what they're referring to because obviously we're not there.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_02]: That's not what's happening now.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But this is the word of God referring to these things, but they're not relevant.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:08:59] [SPEAKER_02]: And that alone takes away from this message that God has because we're not talking about anything that anybody today has.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Any inkling about.

[00:09:09] [SPEAKER_02]: So it just loses a lot of the, that maybe it had back then, you know?

[00:09:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, hopefully I'll have some better information for Q&A.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_01]: I just did the myeldist of glancing over research for this.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And didn't really, I mean, I don't want to say I didn't see anything, but there was nothing that was just short that I

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: could just bring to explain different things in this.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Everything was either irrelevant, boring or like super lengthy.

[00:09:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and my understanding is that a lot of this stuff right now on Jose that we're reading is a collection of stuff they wrote.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Wrote at different points in time and like, you know, it wasn't really, there's not really any,

[00:09:55] [SPEAKER_01]: They're not chronological.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:09:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:09:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to be hard to follow.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I think throughout this.

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_02]: And again, the messaging is the same thing we've heard all through the OT.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not new at all.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a different dude saying it.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of repetitive.

[00:10:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of disjointed and, and here we are more Bible.

[00:10:19] [SPEAKER_02]: So that was Jose chapter seven.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Which means that tomorrow, hypothetically we have some stuff going on with your surgery and different things that are popping up.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_02]: But hypothetically tomorrow we back will.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Jose chapter eight.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, we'll see you then.