Hosea Chapter 8: Bible Study by Atheists

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Sacrilegious Discourse. For this is what the sovereign Lord says, Why do you need prophets

[00:00:05] [SPEAKER_01]: to tell people who you are and what you want? If you can justify everything that the God of the Bible

[00:00:11] [SPEAKER_01]: has done, then you can justify any of your behavior. A lot of this mentality is trickling

[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_01]: into what is now mainstream right wing Christianity. I am capable of empathy greater than this

[00:00:25] [SPEAKER_02]: God of the Bible. This is a Bible that they tell kids, this is the good Lord, this is the good book,

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_02]: this is he is fantasizing about murder, mass murder.

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[00:01:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Hosea! Wife! Do you know where we are and how the hell we got here and what happened?

[00:01:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we just got done reading of the Hosea Jesus Christ.

[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I was having trouble there. My brain went through the whole litany of fucking prophets that we've gone through

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_02]: and I was like, we had no one like that. Not that, not that. Who's Aia? Who's Aia? That's the one.

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_01]: You kept trying to say Isaiah for the last time. Why am I saying Joshua?

[00:01:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no it's Hosea. Chapter 7 is what we just got done reading.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_01]: That's why you calling them Hosea.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, what is easier with the nicknames? Because they're not as confusing. Well,

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_02]: they're still confusing. But anyway, I digress. That was Hosea Chapter 7 that we just finished.

[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And in that chapter, we heard more about how God thinks the Israelites suck

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_02]: and they were working with other people in other countries and he's like, you suck.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And they were like, man, we got a do our thing and he's like, you suck and he's like, I'm

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_02]: a kill you. And of course, if they just stopped sucking then they can be redeemed and they wouldn't suck.

[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like this is what happened yesterday.

[00:02:29] [SPEAKER_02]: It's basically what happens every time. They suck. He hates them. He kills them.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_02]: They might be redeemed. He doesn't hate them. He hates them again later and they kill them again later.

[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_02]: He always chooses to be. It's just like the same fucking pattern over and over and over and over

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's just really, really irritating at this point. I would feel like, can we break up?

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like at some point, don't you just feel like enough is enough, man?

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_01]: You're not happy. You keep moving the GoPro.

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right. Just fuck off for something. Right? Yeah.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Be big. Like go big or go home. Right? Is what you want to tell God. Like,

[00:03:06] [SPEAKER_01]: right. Say your say and say it loud and proud and come out to all of us or go the fuck away and leave

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_02]: us alone. So killin' us. Yeah, I feel like they'd be better without them. You know,

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: they doesn't, he doesn't really seem to do much for them. No, no. I'm like a large scale or anything,

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_02]: you know? So other than he tells them to multiply, you know, I said so. But just not under the trees

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_02]: out of the high places and that's that's that's not good. And never with a girl who's menstruating.

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right. Yeah, that definitely not that. But sometimes with a person shit. Sometimes with your brother's

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: wife. Yeah, but only in certain cases. Right. Yeah. And everyone's in a while with your mom.

[00:03:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. Anyway, that was Josea chapter seven. Sure's fuck what? Which means that today we're

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_02]: giving in to. Who's head chapter eight? All right. Let's do this. Okay.

[00:03:58] [SPEAKER_01]: All right. So we are hopping into chapter eight of hose head. Josea. Josea and it's a new

[00:04:12] [SPEAKER_01]: little bit. So this is a new little bit. Yeah. Okay. So it's starting fresh. This is like,

[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: oh, meaning that it's not the same section that we're covering the last three episodes or whatever

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: basically. Right. Right. That you know, ran on. Right. It was the same same sub, whatever heading. Right.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_01]: This is this is a completely new area. Okay. All right. Put the trumpets to you. Oh, yeah. Do

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_01]: that because, you know, that's fun. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And eagle is over the house of the Lord,

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_01]: because the people have broken my covenant and revealed against my law. That was a lot of things

[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_02]: said in a row that don't make any fucking sense. Right. I'm sure they must make sense to somebody.

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_01]: But not me. So the eagle? Yeah. Is the asyrians? That was their sign. Okay. All right. So he's a,

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_01]: you know, sound that sound the clacks and bells. Yeah. Yeah. Warning. The sirens. You know? Right.

[00:05:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Let it be known that the asyrians is coming. The syrians is coming. I just want to point out

[00:05:16] [SPEAKER_02]: because a lot of people like to point out things in Josea that relate to the quote unquote

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Babylonians. Mm-hmm. But here we are talking about the asyrians again. Right. And Josea. Right.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_02]: So these things that they talk about in in my mind refer to the asyrians not the Babylonians

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_02]: because that was what was impending at the time was the asyrians. Exactly. Right. And because

[00:05:37] [SPEAKER_02]: the same devastation didn't happen with the asyrians has happened with the Babylonians. Right.

[00:05:42] [SPEAKER_02]: People just gloss over the fact that he mentions the asyrians a whole hell of a lot. He does. He really

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: says, I just want to point that out because to me, I'm like, no, he's talking about the asyrians.

[00:05:52] [SPEAKER_02]: When we're talking about them being captured and conquered, right. That's what he think is

[00:05:55] [SPEAKER_01]: going to happen exactly. So he's saying that asyria has, you know, is on the march, they're coming.

[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And the reason is because the people have broken my covenant and were about against my law.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_01]: As always, they always do that. So now that whole first verse makes perfect sense to you.

[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. Okay. Israel cries out to me, our God, we acknowledge you.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: They do, huh? But it doesn't sound sincere. I wouldn't imagine it would. No.

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_01]: But Israel has rejected what is good and enemy will pursue him. They set up kings without my consent.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_01]: They choose princes without my approval with their silver and gold. They make idols for themselves

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_02]: to their own destruction as every call. And this was us going into like the king's, you know,

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_02]: books, like kings, one or whatever. There was discussion of how God was just going to let them do their

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_02]: own thing and choose their own kings, which he wasn't happy about. Right. But it was like a thing, right?

[00:07:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah. Okay. I see what you're saying, but I also see what he's saying. He's like,

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_01]: look, I was not for you guys doing this. And then look, you did it and then make it bad choices.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. And then, you know, the second that you go running off to do your own fucking thing,

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_01]: you forget to keep the law. And I don't, I don't like to point out though that a lot of these

[00:07:22] [SPEAKER_02]: kings are put into power because of, you know, they're related to each other, not because they're like

[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_01]: voted in. Right. And a lot of times it's one nation, a pointing, a leader, you another one. Yeah.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. Like the Egyptian, the Babylonians have all had influence in these things and I'm sure

[00:07:42] [SPEAKER_01]: we'll be a Syrian testament of influence on point two. Yeah. So that makes it interesting. Right.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Samaria, throw out your calf idol. Yeah. Do throw it out. Sure. My anger burns against them. How

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: long will they be incapable of purity? They are from Israel. They never really came back. So I'm

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_01]: forever. Right. This calf, a metal worker has made it. It is not God. It will be broken in pieces that

[00:08:14] [SPEAKER_02]: calf of fucking Samaria. Just curious who made the ark? No, uh. No, not that ark. Oh. The Ark of the

[00:08:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Covenant. Um, the worker people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Much like that made the calf. Yeah. I'm just

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_02]: for God too. So that's okay. Because maybe, you know, we don't know much about this whole

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_02]: calf thing, right? Right. Maybe the calf is the vessel for their God, right? Much like the

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_02]: ark is the throne for their God. Yeah. So it could I don't know anything about the fucking calf.

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Right. I'm just speaking hypothetically, right? But on a large scale, why are we getting mad about

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_02]: the calf when we have the ark and we have the, you know, crosses and we have all the shit.

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't know if you noticed this or not. But believers in this particular God seem to have

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_01]: been filled with hypocrisy from day one. She seems that way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They sew the wind and

[00:09:15] [SPEAKER_01]: reap the whirlwind. I'm going to be reading that phrase again in just a moment. Okay. The stalk has

[00:09:20] [SPEAKER_01]: no head. It will produce no flower. We're at to yield grain foreigners with swallow it up. Now I

[00:09:27] [SPEAKER_01]: have some notes about this verse seven. Okay. Sure. Interesting because I said so. Okay. They sew

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: the wind and reap the whirlwind. Yeah. Okay. This is considered a proverb which states that works,

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_01]: have rewards and actions have consequences, especially that people may face negative consequences

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_01]: for their bad actions. Okay. Okay. Got it. Several works. A fiction have the title reap the whirlwind.

[00:09:59] [SPEAKER_01]: And I just put down some that we might be familiar with kind of. Okay. So there's a star trek

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: book called reap the whirlwind by David Mack in 2007. Okay. Okay. And I'm not familiar with the book.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I am familiar with star trek series. Yeah. There's a one called reap the whirlwind and that's

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_01]: a 1989 novel by CJ Cherry and Mercedes Lackey. It's part of the sort of knowledge.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_01]: No idea. Mercedes Lackey I'm familiar with. She's a very prolific and well known fantasy writer. Okay.

[00:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: And then there is the Ronnie reap the whirlwind and that's a 2000 Doctor Who audio drama.

[00:10:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah. So I thought I definitely need to include those because we know those things.

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean we know those fandoms. Right. Right. Yeah. So anyway, yeah. So the wind and reap the whirlwind.

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Reap with yourself. Got it. You know? Yeah. Anyway, if there were grain we still wouldn't have it because

[00:11:16] [SPEAKER_02]: here is not grow or if it does then the foreigners will get it. Yeah. Okay. Israel has swallowed up.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Now she is among the nations like something no one wants for they have gone up to a Syria like a

[00:11:28] [SPEAKER_01]: wild donkey wander in a loan. He from has sold herself to lovers. Although they have sold

[00:11:35] [SPEAKER_01]: themselves among the nations, I will now gather them together. They will begin to waste a way

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: under the oppression of the mighty king. Though eef from built many altars for sin offerings,

[00:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: these have become altars for sinning. I wrote for them the many things of my law, but they

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_01]: were guarded them at something foreign. But dude you didn't actually write them. Right.

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Well somebody did. I don't think Moses wrote all the laws everywhere. No, I'm just saying.

[00:12:08] [SPEAKER_02]: He certainly isn't the one that kept them alive in those areas. Right. You know, he was very these

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_02]: things were very regional. Right. So even though you were worshiping similar God, Yahweh,

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_02]: right. The idea of what that God is, it's a lot like even in the US, right? We have our areas

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_02]: of the country that kind of worship this Christian God differently. The south worships a little

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_02]: different than the north does, right? People in Boston are more Catholic generally speaking,

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_02]: right? And there's just different areas of the country that worship the same God different ways.

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And I can imagine in a time where communication wasn't as accessible as this today,

[00:12:56] [SPEAKER_02]: it would be even more so that way in those days. So they would seem even after some

[00:13:01] [SPEAKER_02]: future generations, these areas that weren't even that far away would seem very foreign and how they

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_02]: worship their God, that is hypothetically the same God that you worship. Right? Right? So it would

[00:13:11] [SPEAKER_02]: almost be, it would be heretical to them because it's branched so far away in such a short period of time.

[00:13:18] [SPEAKER_02]: And it just that strikes me as how a lot of these problems kind of arise with them having

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_01]: these issues with their neighbors. It makes me wonder how the early Israelites would get on with

[00:13:32] [SPEAKER_02]: the right wing people today. You know, honestly, I don't think that they would even recognize

[00:13:38] [SPEAKER_01]: themselves and what it is today. I don't think that either group would recognize the other

[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_02]: as a distant relative. Yeah, it would, first of all, they would never, the right wing

[00:13:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Magga called would never go back to what is religion in ancient Israel, right? For multiple reasons

[00:13:58] [SPEAKER_02]: and partly because it's not technically Christianity at that point. So that's part of the reason

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_02]: but also the people in Israel would be probably horrified at what they have, what they embody

[00:14:10] [SPEAKER_02]: and represent. Right. No, it's just it's not, it's all about heat and fear of mongering and

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_02]: not, not that that's not present in the Bible. But it's more for preservation of their society as

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_01]: opposed to division of their society. Right. So well also to back then it was group on group.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_01]: And today there's a lot of individual on individual. That's that's very true and it makes it kind of

[00:14:46] [SPEAKER_01]: man. I wrote the things of my law, but then bitches they don't even read it whatever. Right.

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Though they offer sacrifices as gifts to me and though they eat the meat, the Lord is not

[00:14:58] [SPEAKER_01]: pleased with them. Now he will remember their wickedness and punish their sins. Boom, bitches.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. They will return to Egypt. Israel has forgotten their maker and built palaces.

[00:15:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Judah has fortified many towns but I will send fire on their cities that will consume their

[00:15:17] [SPEAKER_02]: fortresses. The end. Judah has. Mm-hmm. That's interesting. Mm-hmm. Because again earlier in this

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_02]: chapter of the same chapter we were talking about a Syria and we have also read from a

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_02]: apologist that this this whole prophecy in Joseia revolves around the Babylonian exile

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_02]: because that's convenient for them. Right. But and while it doesn't specifically say that these

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_02]: events are going to be the Assyrians doing these things, you wouldn't, you wouldn't be talking about

[00:15:50] [SPEAKER_02]: a Syria and the same breath as you're talking about these horrible events that are going to occur

[00:15:56] [SPEAKER_02]: if you didn't mean for them to be done by the Assyrians. Right. You know what I mean? Like there's no

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_02]: there it doesn't make any sense not to, it doesn't make any sense to mention them if you're

[00:16:05] [SPEAKER_02]: not going to utilize them as that tool. Right. So and we've talked about this too where these

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_02]: things that they see are what are coming down the pike, they can see it because we're talking

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_02]: about ancient times we're things build up and you know you see an army coming years in advance

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_02]: because they can't move as quickly. They gotta collect you know lines and in fortify themselves.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_01]: They're able to see the winds of change in government. Right. Right and if it doesn't come true

[00:16:38] [SPEAKER_02]: the nice thing about the Bible is I guess you can just attribute it to the next disaster.

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_01]: And you can always say that God changed his mind and we prayed hard enough. Sure.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_01]: We sacrificed big enough that you know when you retrofit a meeting after the fact you can make

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_02]: anything work. Sure. You know like that's true about just about anything. So it's it's ridiculous.

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, um oh I should mention if you're listening to this today we we actually recorded these

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_02]: episodes early so we're actually recording this the night before wife is going in for surgery

[00:17:13] [SPEAKER_02]: on Tuesday morning. Tuesday morning but you're gonna be hearing this on Wednesday morning.

[00:17:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So it'll be the day after so everybody should stop by our discord or patreon or one of our

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: social media accounts and just you know wish wife uh good luck. Or well not good luck because it's already

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_02]: happening but you know wish wish wife a speedy every cover. So yeah um I'm a little nervous honestly

[00:17:40] [SPEAKER_01]: they're not putting me out for this they're just gonna numb my arm. Yeah and it's to come

[00:17:47] [SPEAKER_01]: metal play that. Yeah so I'm gonna be like the tin woodman and I'm not sure how I feel about that.

[00:17:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Get you an oil can. Oh yeah. All right well that was Jose a chapter eight.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure's book was and possibly I don't want to promise anything because again

[00:18:08] [SPEAKER_02]: circumstances and surgeries and what not but possibly we will be back tomorrow with.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Who's head chapter nine? All right we'll see you then. Bye.

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