Hosea Chapters 1 - 5 Q&A: Bible Study by Atheists

[00:00:00] Welcome to Sacrilegious Discourse. For this is what the sovereign Lord says, Why do you need prophets

[00:00:05] to tell people who you are and what you want? If you can justify everything that the God of the Bible

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[00:01:41] podcast has been a it's been hard to get to. It has. Yeah. And we haven't even done one single

[00:01:50] wrap-up episode for Jose yet because we've only done five chapters thus far. Right. Which means

[00:01:57] that today we're getting into Q&A on any day. Because yeah, that's where we're at. And so we're

[00:02:08] Q&A and A who's a one through five. Yeah. Do you have anything special you wanted to mention before

[00:02:15] we get into this episode? It had been so long. I had forgotten everything that happened. So it's all new

[00:02:21] to me. Right. I was going to say this is going to be more of a refresher between and anything.

[00:02:24] Yeah, I was going to say there's a lot of this happened summary going on because I was like what?

[00:02:32] Yeah. No, I think I feel the same way because we've been going over these five chapters for about

[00:02:38] two and a half weeks now. Yeah. So it's we need the refresher. Yeah. Anyway,

[00:02:45] we will are you ready to go ahead and get into this? Sorry, there was a motorcycle

[00:02:48] to just throw by really loud and fully didn't end up in the podcast, but it distracted me. So

[00:02:53] that's squirrel. Yeah. You ready to get into this? Yes. All right. Let's do it. Okay.

[00:03:04] All right. We are hopping into this Q&A, not on Saturday. Right. For hose head chapters 1 through

[00:03:12] 5 or more hose say yeah. So you're trying to interrupt me to correct me, but no hose head is I say

[00:03:21] not. No. No hose head is hose a yeah. Yeah. And we're doing 1 through 5 Q&A because

[00:03:29] that's what would have come next if we were doing this like during the week. Yeah. And part of

[00:03:35] our Q&A will kind of be a little bit of summarizing because neither of us could remember what happened.

[00:03:41] I mean, there was the whole bit where Jose was comparing his wife to the shittingness of

[00:03:47] Israel as a whole. A adulterous horror. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So chapter 1 was about Jose's on faithful

[00:03:56] wife and her children. Right. Who may or may not be hers? Sure. And wait, they have to be hers don't they?

[00:04:03] I mean his. Sorry. He may or may not be the father of some of all of that. Okay. All right.

[00:04:09] So chapter 1 sets forth the spiritual hordeum of Israel. The spiritual hordeum. I love it.

[00:04:17] Vias and Bologna. Yeah. Yeah. And the original text of all of these chapters, not just chapter 1,

[00:04:24] was written in Hebrew. Okay. Just a by eye. Yep. In Hebrew, Bible is the last verses of chapter 1,

[00:04:31] chapters 10 and 11. I don't know if you recall. They appear in chapter 2. We've not chapters 10 and 11.

[00:04:37] Versus 10 and 11. I swear that's what I said. You didn't. Well, what I meant. So yeah those last two

[00:04:44] verses, they're actually in the next chapter. Got it. Okay. Fragments containing this chapter and

[00:04:50] the rest of the chapters in hose head were found among the dead sea scrolls. Okay. It's not interesting.

[00:04:57] Sure. Yeah. I mean, it's one of the older prophet Bologna things. So I mean, it makes sense

[00:05:03] that it would be in there because it's something that had been around for a while. So yes, it had. Yeah.

[00:05:09] Yeah. Um, hose aia, not hose head hose aia, um, translates to a few different things. It

[00:05:15] means salvation, deliverance, savior or deliverer. Which is all kind of interchangeable. So basically

[00:05:22] his name means the sorris. Now that that's interesting because my understanding was that the general

[00:05:30] school of thought is that Jose was probably an actual person that existed. But it doesn't exactly

[00:05:38] read that way. No. It reads as though this is a metaphor for, you know, using this prophet to describe

[00:05:47] a fictional marriage that is something that to compare to how God feels about the Israelites, right?

[00:05:54] Yeah. So I don't know, maybe you can answer this question. The information that you

[00:06:00] got with regard to Jose being a real person was that from aologist or was that from scholars?

[00:06:06] I have to double check. Okay. Honestly. I would be curious about that because I'll look into

[00:06:11] that and get back to you to me the story, it doesn't lend to the credibility that he is a real

[00:06:18] person. And the fact that what his name translates to, that doesn't have that in that's why

[00:06:24] I brought that out of the building. That doesn't help either. Let me just read the next one and

[00:06:28] that will, sure even further cloudy cloudy cloud the issue. Adding the prefix yah or jah,

[00:06:39] like in yaw way, the name becomes Joshua. Oh, okay. And the original name or the original form

[00:06:48] of the name is closely related to Jose and which means save now. Okay. So yeah, I mean like the

[00:06:56] just this symbolism in the name, the story and everything it doesn't really give a lot of credibility

[00:07:02] to this was an actual real person. Yeah. Right? And the the age of this prophet story is also a bit

[00:07:11] questionable with regard to how they ended up inserting this into the Bible as well. Right?

[00:07:16] Because it should have, it feels like it should have, if it's that old right, it should have

[00:07:20] fit more into like the the earlier text at some level. Like it should have been in there somewhere

[00:07:27] with regard to how the Bible transpired over time. But there's not really a timeline here. It's just

[00:07:33] a story. Right? It's not built into the King's Chronicles or it's not built into the the Moses

[00:07:39] Exodus timeline. It's not built into any of those things that had a timeline is just stories that

[00:07:45] exist from that time. Right. Which also does not lend a lot of credence to that. Yeah, I'm just

[00:07:51] in my mind right and I'm not I'm not basing this on any actual knowledge that I have of

[00:07:56] Jose or not. But the information that I've been given to me doesn't doesn't lend to this being

[00:08:03] an incredible real entity that that existed. Right? That's all. Right. Um, verse one is kind of a thing

[00:08:13] on its own. Okay. It's not related really to the rest of chapter one. Okay. Because it is like a

[00:08:22] introduction kind of thing. Got it. Like it's referred to as a title. Right. Um, he was contemporary

[00:08:29] with the prophets Isaiah, Amas and Micah. And during his lifetime, the city of Rome was be beginning

[00:08:37] to be built. Okay. Right. I love hearing about what else was happening in different parts of the

[00:08:44] world at the same time it was put in context. Yeah. Yeah. Um, Jose's ministry spanned the year

[00:08:50] 760 to 740 BCE during the days of the divided monarchy. So yeah, this is way before. Got it.

[00:08:58] Okay. Um, this was after the days of David and Solomon when the people of God divided in a civil

[00:09:05] war. And that created the two nations of Israel and the North and Judah in the south. But again,

[00:09:12] that strikes me as to how this didn't end up in a timeline. Right. Yeah. This is an important enough

[00:09:18] profit that he ends up in the Bible but not important enough that he ends up in anybody's timeline.

[00:09:23] That's during that time. That's why he's these are all that way. They're all referred to as the

[00:09:35] right. This whole thing is some 250 years after the time of King David and some 650 years before

[00:09:45] Israel or I'm sorry, after Israel came into the promise land. Got it. Okay. Yep. So then we move

[00:09:51] into the next few verses. Um, and we talk about his family Jose's family. Yeah. Okay. The profit

[00:09:59] begins his book by outlining his experiences with his unfaithful wife, Gomer. Right. And he's commanded

[00:10:08] to take a prostitute as his wife. But there were some notes that said that she was probably

[00:10:15] not a prostitute when Jose had was told to marry her. Hmm. Okay. And in recording the story,

[00:10:22] it's more likely that Jose was looking back over the events that happened, recalling the woman

[00:10:28] whom he married and who bore him children, how she became a prostitute. Oh. But okay. I don't know

[00:10:35] about that because while I'll let you know it's going to get to end. It's going to get to end. Because

[00:10:40] we were talking about how this just sounds like he's blasting his wife. Right. He was right. Yeah.

[00:10:45] And I'm not saying that that's wrong. Right. Clearly I'm not a historian but something else happens

[00:10:52] later that makes me think maybe she already was and you just wish she wasn't. I don't know.

[00:10:59] Right. Right. Under the figure of a wife proving false to her marriage vows and bearing children

[00:11:06] that would follow her example, the profit is representing the shameful idolatry of the 10 tribes

[00:11:13] which provoked God to cast them off. Sure. Nice. His whole stick. Yeah. Whatever.

[00:11:19] In the next few verses we talk about Jose's marriage to Gomer and their first son.

[00:11:28] Yeah. Okay. Now she had three kids and they were all given names with symbolic meaning. Sure.

[00:11:35] Okay. So verse three says, so he married Gomer daughter of DiBlame and she conceived and bore him a son.

[00:11:43] Okay. So the fact that the name Gomer and DiBlame and also the sons, that they don't have any

[00:11:52] apparent or I'm sorry, not the sons just DiBlame the father of Gomer. Okay. Those two. Their

[00:11:59] names don't have any apparent symbolic significance. And so that supposedly gives a support that

[00:12:04] the people mentioned then the book really may have existed in history. Sure. Because their names are

[00:12:09] just like this is their name. Like there's no one in it. I kind of looked it up a little bit too.

[00:12:16] And I think you mentioned this while we're reading through but Jose is mentioned, I guess, in

[00:12:20] the book of Chronicles. So like there are some cross references and things that it is generally

[00:12:26] accepted that he has considered a actual possible probable person who existed. And there's not

[00:12:32] a lot of compelling encounter arguments to that. I guess just the story itself to me seems a little

[00:12:38] bit too just involved in the whole proving God aspect of the story just seems to involve with

[00:12:48] that. And the fact that it involves his wife and the names of his kids in the whole night and yards

[00:12:53] like that is it's just a bit too far for me, right? Right. And maybe this was just him being a

[00:13:02] little bit adding a little bit of flair to his story. Maybe this wasn't a true story, maybe

[00:13:06] this was still his writings but he was trying to make it, you know, something that he could

[00:13:11] relate to other people on. Sure. I don't know. I don't know. I think that whether he existed or not

[00:13:17] his story is stupid. Yeah. So. Right. He's pretty. Just really matter. Yeah. Yeah. The

[00:13:23] just real is the only one like the first son. He's the only one that is explicitly stated as being

[00:13:32] Jose's child. Okay. Because that's why I read the verse. He married Gomer and she conceived and

[00:13:39] bore him a son. Okay. It's not phrase that way with the other two. Got it. And then she had a kid

[00:13:45] and then she had another kid. Right. Is the way the other ones are? Yeah. So they may not have been his

[00:13:51] is what I'm getting at as to the question of was she a prostitute before or after they got married?

[00:13:58] Got it. See what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. No, I got it. So his name, just real is based on the city of

[00:14:07] Jesrille where Jay who killed all living members of Amheries dynasty and that was mentioned in

[00:14:13] second Kings chapter 9 and 10. And this would have been about 842 BCE. Okay. So we read about it

[00:14:20] but it was just so long ago. Yeah. Yeah. So the name of the first child was intended to put

[00:14:26] Israel in mind of their unrepented guilt and the acts of cruelty that were committed in their

[00:14:33] palace of Jesrille. And Jesrille actually means scattered. Okay. And Israel would soon be scattered

[00:14:39] in exile by a conquering a Syrian army. Sure. And it also refers to the valley of Jesrille which

[00:14:48] that is where Jay who the founder of the dynasty that put Jerobo among the throne, that's where

[00:14:53] Jay who massacred all the descendants of Ahab, thus establishing his throne and again that was in

[00:15:00] second Kings chapter 10. Okay. All right. So God had directed Hosea to name his son Jesrille

[00:15:07] to confirm his promise to avenge the bloodshed of Jesrille by judging the house of Jay who.

[00:15:14] So they're trying to tie together those two events through time. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Like that's

[00:15:22] why the kid was named Jesrille. It was fulfilling the promise or whatever from early on.

[00:15:28] Again, this sounds to put together. Put together. Yeah. And you know, I'm not big on prophecies to

[00:15:36] begin with. Yeah. So it feels a little and since it wasn't if he wasn't mentioned in Kings

[00:15:42] where he was mentioned in Chronicles. I mean, you kind of remember how that all broke down. Right?

[00:15:46] There was one. Chronicles was a bit more um I don't know. I thought one was about one

[00:15:53] me shin and one was the other between Judah and Israel. I don't recall it quite that way,

[00:16:00] but I mean, I thought it was kind of a recounting, but it was just a little bit more heavily

[00:16:03] centered around like one was more David centric. Like that was that was like one was more of a history.

[00:16:09] The other one was more David centric. Okay. So by that account, you know, maybe this

[00:16:16] person that mentions Joseia in Chronicles was trying to fulfill some of these prophecies.

[00:16:23] Like, you know what I'm saying? Like and again, there's not evidence against this. I'm not

[00:16:28] trying to say that this is the case, but there's no evidence exactly for it other than just like best

[00:16:33] guesses. Right? Right? At least not from what I could see. It's just he's mentioned here. He's mentioned

[00:16:38] there. They use the actual names, but again, if you're trying to make something, if you're trying

[00:16:43] to make something sound legitimate, that would be something you would try to do. That's true.

[00:16:48] You know? That is true. But okay. So this prophecy though, meaning him, Jos' real was basically saying

[00:16:54] or I'm sorry, the prophecy going back, talking about during the time of J. Who. Okay?

[00:17:01] That dynasty, the dynasty of J. Who and that prophecy was saying that when the dynasty came to an end,

[00:17:10] which it would be soon, that is what's happening. They're like, this is your your

[00:17:17] dynasty's coming to an end and this is coming to an end. Sure. After the death of Jeroboam in

[00:17:23] 752 BCE, his son Zachariah barely rained only six months before being assassinated. And that was

[00:17:32] in King's chapter 15. Okay. And then that was the end of the house of J. Who got it. Okay? Yeah.

[00:17:39] So then we move on to the next few verses, six and seven. And a daughter is born to go more.

[00:17:47] Okay. Yeah. And the name of the second child means not pitted or no mercy, which means that

[00:17:55] the people that wrote the Crony kid should have named the kid. The daughter's name.

[00:18:05] That would have had more symbolism. I've been better. They missed an opportunity.

[00:18:11] The reason I said Crony kid was because, you know, no mercy. Oh, that's what they said.

[00:18:16] Yeah, and always having a really hard time following what you were. I'm sitting at there.

[00:18:20] Not all together. But yeah, the second child means no mercy. And that's the whole line in

[00:18:28] Crony kid. But I forgot to say that that's what was mentioned over Con or whatever the. Yeah.

[00:18:34] Was that right? Did I say that over Kai? Cover Kai. That's right. Yeah. I think there's a show now called

[00:18:39] Cover Kai. Yeah, there is. And it's about those two grown-up. But again, you know, you know, pulling out

[00:18:45] those 80s references. Right. Yeah. Sorry. Reloving shit there. Sorry. Oh, M. G. Okay. So the name of

[00:18:53] this second child for told that God would no longer have pity on the Northern Kingdom. But we'll

[00:18:58] allow it to suffer the full penalty of it since. Okay. And it signifies the people of Israel not

[00:19:04] finding mercy and in consequence of their guilt. God's rejection. Yeah. Not me. That's pretty much a

[00:19:14] bad rejecting the people. Yeah. Yeah. That's nothing new. You're not good at it. That's just like standard practice

[00:19:20] for him. That's part of the part of the whole process. Exactly. You got to get rejected before you

[00:19:24] can get saved. And if you, if you had saved, you've been rejected. So, and yeah, that's how it goes.

[00:19:30] Every call to this child that's named no mercy. Yeah. Hey, no mercy. Get your ass over here.

[00:19:36] Every call out to the child, no mercy would remind Joseia and everyone else of their

[00:19:43] pending judgment and exile. So every time you're yelling this kid's name, not only are

[00:19:48] you saying, hey, suck ball. Get over here. You piece of shit. Think actually. And it's like,

[00:19:55] and all the rest of you are shitty too. Right. Right. Okay. I hear what you're saying. Yeah.

[00:20:01] The army of a Syria that destroyed Israel also attacked Judah, but it did not conquer them. Instead,

[00:20:08] God miraculously fought on behalf of Judah against Syria when the intro of the Lord killed 185,000

[00:20:16] soldiers. I don't remember that. I don't remember that. In one night. Yeah. That was in second King

[00:20:20] supper 19. That wasn't same. That wasn't saying. And we were like, surely that would be recorded

[00:20:25] in history. So far. Yeah. Yes. That's a lot of dead people on one night. Yeah. That's a lot.

[00:20:32] That is something else. Yeah. You angel of death. Yeah. I feel like those two words

[00:20:38] as don't even go together. Right. Angel of death? How about demon of death? Or spirit of death or

[00:20:45] something. Right. But angel, just, I don't know that. But that's because of your idea of what an angel

[00:20:50] is. Right. Maybe like most people's generic version of what an angel is is this friendly, you know,

[00:20:56] help good, do good or, you know, entity that helps humanity out. Right? Yeah. But like in a lot of

[00:21:03] our reading that we've come across in the Old Testament, angels, they're not always great. They're kind

[00:21:08] of, you know, they're pretty bad actually. I mean, let's be fair. They have a reason to. They were

[00:21:14] like the only things that existed. And then God made these other pieces of shit little monkey

[00:21:19] people. Right. And then was like, here, these are my favorites and the angels were like,

[00:21:24] what about me? And he's like, oh yeah. That's right. And they're also better than you and you have to

[00:21:31] find them and find them superior to you. I sure. And so the angels are like, wait, what?

[00:21:37] I'm going to be honest if I ran across an Old Testament angel. I'd be pretty pretty scared actually.

[00:21:41] Right. They don't seem normally, normally, real friendly. No, they're not. So they're not. And that's why

[00:21:48] angels were like, I feel like they had good reason to be mad. Yeah. And shitty. Yeah. They're like,

[00:21:55] I guess this is trash. We didn't ask for people. And I mean to know that like angels are awesome or

[00:22:03] whatever, you know, supposedly they're powerful, they're strong. Like they have always magic powers

[00:22:10] shit in the Bible right? Yeah. According to what we've read, they're awesome. Right? Sure.

[00:22:15] I'm not saying they are. I know, I got you. You say you're saying they're, they've got it.

[00:22:20] They've got a power. Yeah. But they have to, they're expected to treat humans who suck

[00:22:28] as superior. As superior. Right. Like I don't blame them for being a little shitty. Yeah. That's all.

[00:22:34] I'm with you. I get the mood, but the action was way off. Yeah. Like just because I have a kid

[00:22:42] who is a little shit doesn't mean I all of a sudden be like, I'm in a kill him. Like whoa.

[00:22:48] Right. That's too far. Yeah. Yeah. That's okay. All right. So Judah and her kings had been more

[00:22:54] faithful to God's ways during those years as exemplified by King Hizakaya in second King's separate

[00:23:02] team. Okay. Sure. So then they have a second son. Okay. And the name of the third child

[00:23:12] was not my people. Wait, they have a second son. Oh, second. Yeah. Yes. Yes. It's a third child.

[00:23:19] But the second. Yeah. I got it. Yep. And his name is N'A'N'I don't want you. You're not mine.

[00:23:27] It's not my people. So by the time the third child was born God no longer recognized as Israel as his

[00:23:33] people. Okay. So every time somebody would call out to not not mine not my kid. Yeah. That would

[00:23:42] be a reminder to everyone around that the people of Israel had pushed God away and should no longer

[00:23:47] be considered as people. Right. Well, we knew, remember? I think we've said this before. We knew

[00:23:53] a family who the mom had had an affair. Yeah. And got pregnant by that affair. And I don't know

[00:24:02] what happened in their marriage but they stayed married. And she had another daughter later on.

[00:24:08] Anyway, she had two kids. But the first one was with her extra marital affair person.

[00:24:15] And that child's name, they named Kane. Yeah. Yeah. That is mean. Right. That was, yeah. No,

[00:24:23] that was kind of fucked up. I'm just like, that is so mean. Right. That kid has to grow up with

[00:24:31] that. And why did you do that? Yeah. No, that's not a city. I don't get that. Yeah. I agree.

[00:24:38] Like I think the kids fall. Right. But they were very Christian and that tracks. Yep. You have to

[00:24:45] hate children. Sure. For your fuck up. Sure. I guess. Yeah. So the nation and then later Judah as well

[00:24:53] would be cut off from God and hand taken into captivity. Right. So since Goamer had not yet given up

[00:25:00] prostitution, there is a cruel irony in the name that this child was probably fathered by another man.

[00:25:08] So it was not mine on a small scale. Right. Local one-on-one. Yeah. Like Jose is like,

[00:25:15] this is not my kid. And that is representative of the larger picture where Israel is no longer

[00:25:23] God's. But this is some other reason that I don't really truck with this story. Yeah.

[00:25:28] Is because I don't feel like this is the way this would have gone down. I mean, I just told you

[00:25:33] that a dude really did name his kid came. So I fully believe that some asshole back then might

[00:25:39] of name their kid something cruel. I guess. I guess. It tracks? No. In future. Okay.

[00:25:46] All right. So then we move into the last two verses of this chapter and those are the ones that

[00:25:51] actually belong in chapter two if it was cut properly. Got it. Okay. So there's a promise of

[00:25:59] restoration and these two chapters, or I'm sorry, these two verses actually go through

[00:26:06] chapter two verse one. Uh-huh. And the reverse negative meanings of the children's name

[00:26:12] means and then how those can be applied to Israel as well. Got it. Okay. Yeah. And despite these judgments,

[00:26:20] God will have pity eventually on Israel and Judah. Okay. Sure. God promises to repair the loss

[00:26:27] of his church by calling in the Gentiles and by uniting all the children of God under one head,

[00:26:34] the Messiah in the latter days. But we're talking about this is this is back in the E 170,

[00:26:40] 70 BC whatever is long fucking time ago, right? Yeah. Yeah. And so many other things transpired between

[00:26:46] them and even when Jesus came hypothetically, right? That this doesn't make any sense. Right? Like

[00:26:54] he fixed things but then he broke them again. Right? And it wasn't because he but then he fixed things

[00:27:00] again and then broke them. Yeah. Things have happened multiple times since this and they didn't

[00:27:07] involve a Messiah. And especially depending on what religion you're talking about in Judaism,

[00:27:12] there still hasn't been a Messiah. And so if we're talking about that, that is just not

[00:27:17] something that has ever happened yet. Oh, and ended. And Christiana, you took, you know,

[00:27:22] 700, 800 years from then. Right. So this and none of it lines up correctly with regard to how

[00:27:31] this should have happened because the Babylonian exile happened after this. You know, and that's

[00:27:36] even after the Syrians took over. So I mean, you know, the Syrians I guess didn't take over but they

[00:27:41] would have been a lot of the other texts. So I guess we could push it out to mean the Babylonian

[00:27:44] exile, but whatever. What I find interesting is that we stopped at some point with the

[00:27:54] religious texts like there's no more. There's no more religious texts. Right. Yeah. You know,

[00:28:00] like why aren't they're still? Why did it all happen back then? Like why aren't there still

[00:28:03] profits from like I don't know the 500s and the thousands? Yeah, I mean human to existed,

[00:28:09] even if you just take into the into account creationists version, right? We've existed for

[00:28:16] 6,000 years and according to them. And we only wrote during like 1,000 of those years,

[00:28:24] which at least 5,000 years that we didn't write shit about anything. Yeah. Why? Yeah.

[00:28:29] And that's that's that's a allowing. That's a lot of creationists. Yeah. Yeah. So God's going to promise

[00:28:36] to repair the loss of or the loss to his church by calling in the Gentiles and

[00:28:42] uniting all the children, blah, blah, blah. And they will once more become his people. Isn't that

[00:28:47] pretty? Oh, yes. Yeah. It's wonderful. Yeah. They're going to rejoice again. Yeah. It's not exciting.

[00:28:52] Yeah. And they'll be brought back to their homeland and united as one. Yay. See you.

[00:28:56] Yeah. So then in chapter two we talk about Israel's sin. Okay.

[00:29:03] Um, the Oracle of salvation, the reversal of judgment and all that happens. And so everything kind

[00:29:11] of gets, you know, the names are good now. Sure. Yeah. Right. So in this verse he calls on them to

[00:29:18] acknowledge that mercy and to then excite one another. Be happy people. Yes. God. Right. Celebrate.

[00:29:25] You know, blah, blah. Sure. So Israel or I'm sorry, Jose's sons are at this point in chapter two,

[00:29:32] where we pick up the story. They're all grown up now. Okay. Yeah. And Jose asks them to

[00:29:37] plead with their mother to return to him. Like, go home, go, Mark, come home. Yeah. Um, but

[00:29:44] wasn't that at the behest of God asking him to do that too? Yes. Okay. Yes. So then

[00:29:48] verse four says, I will not show my love to her children because they are the children of a

[00:29:53] adultery. So okay. That happened. Yeah. The meaning is not necessarily that the children were to be

[00:30:00] inherited through the accident of birth, but because they proved to be the very image of their

[00:30:06] idolatious mother. The children have failed to join Jose in the trial and they do not confront

[00:30:14] or abandon her as apparently they are in one heart and soul with their mother. You know,

[00:30:19] makes sense. Sure. I love my mom. Yeah. Mom, please stop being a prostitute and come home.

[00:30:24] Daddy says we're not his. So, um, their status, the sons becomes that of offspring born to a

[00:30:33] heartlet. Got it. So because they wouldn't just accept. Yeah. So it's not necessarily that they

[00:30:38] weren't his, but he's like, if you side with her then, you know, I'm not calling you my son.

[00:30:43] Again, it's how God wants the Israelites to treat him. Right? You have to only worship God. You

[00:30:51] have to accept and fully love and obey God's laws. And if you don't, you're a fucked. Yes. So exactly.

[00:31:00] Okay. So the children, the Israelites in this case, being led by their parents quickly fell into

[00:31:05] the gross errors and pollutions of paganism. And for this reason, they were called children of

[00:31:12] Wow. Right? Yeah. Gross. Israel's adultery was to follow Baal instead of Yahweh. So he cheated.

[00:31:20] They cheated on God. You know, which was I think a came in my God, which was their fucking neighbors. And

[00:31:26] you know, I don't know. There's just there's a lot of influence from other cultures. It's

[00:31:31] time because there's so many cultures around them, you know, and I can't really blame them

[00:31:35] for being influenced by other cultures. You know, especially when these cultures were usually

[00:31:41] bigger entities than they were. And strong. Yeah. Because of that. Right. The people believe that Baal was

[00:31:48] the God of nature and that he would give them happiness. And just as a husband could strip his

[00:31:54] unfaithful life and send her away naked, so God will by drought and conquest strip Israel's land

[00:32:01] leaving it bare and fruitless. Okay. Yeah. Um, then we go on and talk about how God will draw

[00:32:10] Israel back. So God creates other hindrances designed to stop Israel from going after Baal and to

[00:32:17] help her return to him, but she persists in pursuing Baal. One poem. Yeah. I mean that tracks.

[00:32:25] It's not I don't think that is that they persisted in pursuing Baal, right? They persisted in

[00:32:31] and worshiping whatever God seemed to fit their needs at that given time. Right? That's true.

[00:32:38] If you're looking to fix something that's happening in the nature, you would look for your

[00:32:42] nature God to do that, right? Yeah. If you're looking to fix something that like if you want to stop

[00:32:47] a disaster and you know there's this God yaw way who always causes disasters, you're going to worship

[00:32:52] yaw way that day because you're like, hey dude, don't fuck us up today, man. Please. Right.

[00:32:57] I feel like it was just a matter of which God seems most relevant today. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

[00:33:05] Because there's so many gods at that time. Well, I mean we've said that before that they're just

[00:33:10] trying to find out which one is going to help their grass grow. Right. You know? Yeah.

[00:33:14] So you can't blame them for that. I don't think. So God's like I'm going to make it be

[00:33:18] naked or whatever and after these corrections, God promises to conduct Israel safely to their

[00:33:25] own land, perhaps a looting to their restoration from the Baalonian captivity for this prophecy

[00:33:32] is supposed to have been delivered about 250 years prior to that event. But we talk a lot about

[00:33:39] the Assyrians, right? In this in this book. And that's and much like when we were talking about

[00:33:48] Jeremiah and Isaiah and how they had quote unquote prophecies, it's not hard to read the

[00:33:54] writing on the wall, right? Yeah. So I feel like they were like, hey, these Assyrians, they're right

[00:33:58] there doing these things. And if I had to guess they're talking about a probable Assyrian invasion,

[00:34:06] right? It just didn't fully occur. Something happened that stopped it that whatever, yeah,

[00:34:12] God apparently killed 185,000 but you know we all know that that's bullshit. So something happened.

[00:34:18] They held up their their end and they they held off the Assyrians. And so now we can take this and

[00:34:23] say yeah, they meant the Baalonian exile, right? Yeah. Which sure I am even whatever you can always

[00:34:30] apply it to something. You can take any idea and say, oh that was this was meant to be that,

[00:34:36] right? And if when you equate it and try to make things match, you can make it work. Right?

[00:34:41] It's still bullshit though. But okay. So verse 15 of chapter two says, there I will give her

[00:34:49] back her vineyards and we'll make the valley of acor, a door of hope. So we had questions about this

[00:34:56] verse in particular. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So acor means trouble. So the valley of acor is literally

[00:35:04] the valley of trouble right here on River City. Yeah. Yeah. It was a place of trouble where

[00:35:10] acams sin was discovered and judged way back in Joshua chapter seven. Okay. Okay. So just to remind

[00:35:18] you what happened there, acam was the dufus in Joshua chapter seven who looted silver gold and

[00:35:24] sheckles. Yep. When Israel had been instructed to either destroy everything or give it back to God.

[00:35:28] Yeah. I remember that. And then that disobedience pissed got off. So when they attempted to conquer

[00:35:36] the city of IE, they were defeated. Right. And 36 men and 36 of their men were killed. 36. 36.

[00:35:44] Okay. Which is funny how the numbers have changed because now that's like just 36. Right. Yeah.

[00:35:50] I mean we're talking about God took out 145 so 185. 185,000. Right. So I don't know what you're

[00:35:58] trying to say 36 is. Yeah. So Joshua was like WTF. So God told him about the theory and then called

[00:36:05] up the clans one by one and then the tribes and then the families and then when acam was chosen

[00:36:11] he admitted what he had done. And the Israelite stoned him and his family. I'm burned.

[00:36:16] They're belongings as a punishment for his disobedience. And as a way to turn away God's anger.

[00:36:22] And of course this murdery bullshit appeased God. How would you really fucking pissed? How is his family?

[00:36:28] Like what did we do? Well, you'd only be pissed for the six seconds before like no, I know.

[00:36:33] Smoke your ass. But yeah. It's crap. It is like why do the women and children have to suffer?

[00:36:38] Right. That's not fair. Yeah. And less what are you saying that they were part of it?

[00:36:43] Make that part of the story then. Right. Because it looked like he just guilt by association. Right.

[00:36:49] Yeah. We look you God. Sorry. And not even like closest to like he'd sound like they're a part

[00:36:53] of the highest they just were related to him. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. So going back into Jose

[00:37:00] chapter two verse 15, God's restoration will involve transforming the quote unquote valley of

[00:37:07] into a door of hope after it is real acknowledges her wrong. Got it. Okay. So I want to read

[00:37:14] verses 16 and 17. Okay. In that day to clears the Lord, you will call me my husband. You will no

[00:37:22] longer call me my master. I will remove the names of the ball all's from her lips. No longer

[00:37:28] will their names be in vote. Okay. So God was not satisfied with a fear-based. Oh, okay. This

[00:37:34] is going to make you laugh. It really is. God was not satisfied with a fear-based obedience

[00:37:40] focus relationship with his people where they thought of him primarily as master. He wanted

[00:37:46] a relationship where they thought of him primarily as husband and Hebrew, the name ball all comes

[00:37:52] from the word master and the two words sound alike. So you know, it's ball and ball. They're trying

[00:37:58] to distinguish the type of God that God Yahweh is basically. Yeah. It was the ball all's the

[00:38:05] idols of the nations, which wanted this master slave relationship with men. Sure. But the Lord God

[00:38:12] Yahweh, he wanted a love-based commitment-based relationship with his people. Yeah, and when you

[00:38:19] can't have it, he's going to kill you. Right. I mean, that is not love though. That is he's still

[00:38:24] a fucking master. Yeah, I don't think they're quite grasp-picked on-step there. No, it's yeah.

[00:38:31] Right. Yeah. It is just bad. Yeah. So then in verse 22 it says, and the earth will respond to

[00:38:37] the grain, the new wine and the olive oil and they will respond to Jesrille. So as I said, the name

[00:38:44] Jesrille means scattered and it had been used previously in a negative sense, but it was also

[00:38:50] the word used to describe the good scattering of seed, meaning so like you saw the seeds.

[00:38:55] All right. So God would restore his people to abundance and blessing. And in that case,

[00:39:00] scattering will become so-ing. God. So we're going to see it. Yeah. Okay. So let's talk about

[00:39:07] the restoration of Go-Marin chapter three. Okay. By the prophet taking back his wife for whom he

[00:39:14] retained his affection, though she had proven unfaithful by doing this and by entering into a new

[00:39:22] contract with her. Remember he went to go get her and he bought her back and then by giving her

[00:39:29] hopes of reconciliation, you know that she would need to have some time off from him like no six

[00:39:39] for you, but also knows like for me. You know like in a state of widowhood, sure. By doing all of that,

[00:39:47] God is representing the gracious manner, you know, this God of love in which he will restore the

[00:39:54] Jews from the Babylonian captivity. Got it. Okay. So verse one says, the Lord said to me,

[00:40:01] go show your loved here wife again, though she has loved by another man and is an adulterous.

[00:40:07] Love her as the Lord loves the Israelites. So they turned to other gods and love the sacred

[00:40:11] raising cakes. We're like, yeah, that was fun. Yeah, yeah, like raising cake. What are you talking about?

[00:40:18] Yeah. So I'm going to talk about that in just a second. Okay. Go-Marin who had apparently left

[00:40:23] Joseia. Remember? Yeah. Was at that time living in adultery with another man? Oh. So unlike in

[00:40:30] Joseia chapter one verse two where it says take a wife, here Joseia is being told to love the wife.

[00:40:38] Okay. And that, he needs to renew his conjugal kindness to her. Oh. Go fuck your wife.

[00:40:46] Bring her home to fuck her. Okay. Okay. But let's talk about raising cakes. Yeah. Raising cakes

[00:40:52] and in the King James version this says flaggons of wine and other translations, it might say

[00:40:59] cakes of grape or dried raisins. Okay. So all of those things were used in idolatry. That was

[00:41:08] mentioned in Jeremiah chapter seven and 44. Okay. Okay. All right. So verse two says so I bought her for

[00:41:16] 15 Czechos of silver and about a homeer and a lithic of barley. Right. Do you remember that? Yeah.

[00:41:23] Okay. So 15 Czechos of silver was half the price of a slave as described in Exodus chapter 21.

[00:41:31] And it may also allude to the dowry for a bride. Okay. Yeah. As Price mentioned in verse

[00:41:40] Samuel chapter, I'm sorry first Samuel chapter 18. Right. A Czechos was about point four ounces or 11 grams.

[00:41:47] Okay. And a Homer of barley was about six bushels or 200 liters. So now you know. Yeah.

[00:41:56] Goma first had to undergo a period of discipline like remember when he's like no sex for you.

[00:42:03] Yeah. She had to live with Jose as a slave not as his wife. Oh wow. Yeah. And Jose stipulates that

[00:42:09] Goma should wait this long period before she can be restored to her quote unquote conjugal rights,

[00:42:14] you know sex. Right. And he's like ways going to do that. That is because in due to

[00:42:20] Ronomy chapter 21, the law for taking a beautiful captive woman. Remember like if you steal some

[00:42:27] of the doses. Right. stipulates that she has to mourn for her family for a full month

[00:42:33] before she can be married to the guy that kidnapped her. That's interesting because we're

[00:42:37] comparing it to like we're comparing this marriage and this sort of relationship to the Israelite

[00:42:42] relationship with God. So God is by the story maybe allowing for a time of mourning for their

[00:42:50] previous God? Oh yeah. It was just weird to me. Yeah. So it's interesting. Yeah. I mean it's not

[00:42:58] in the nicest of terms right you're slave now like I don't know. But whatever it's still

[00:43:03] if we're taking that at face value he's allowing for a time of mourning. You have 30 days to get rid

[00:43:11] of the shit. Right. I don't want to see it anymore. You're not leaving your room. Right. You know?

[00:43:17] Yeah. Like are you talking to your child or your wife? I don't know but right. Why I think

[00:43:20] those things will be interchangeable by them. Sure. Sure. So Israelite wise must have a period

[00:43:27] of discipline, you know. Right. Yeah. She has the living captivity in a foreign land where she

[00:43:33] will be without her own civil government and will be separated from all objects connected with

[00:43:39] former religions, practices, whatever good or bad. That didn't really happen though even with

[00:43:46] that alone in exile right? Right. They were actually exposed to a lot of new gods in Babylon. Yeah.

[00:43:52] So that that didn't happen. Well the fact that they had to live in captivity with these other

[00:43:58] gods that they were supposed to turn down that's that's why there wasn't a lot of y'all

[00:44:05] way there. Got it. Yeah. Because y'all weigh was on purpose. Mm. Staying away. I see. It's not,

[00:44:11] it's not that he wasn't invited to prom in the first place. Right. Right. Right. All right. So in chapter 4

[00:44:18] Josea now turns from his personal experiences to the conditions in Israel. Okay. There appears

[00:44:24] to be a little chronological order or logical development. Yeah. So I don't know if you remember

[00:44:31] me saying that chapter 4 and 5 kind of is like something else. It consists of collections of

[00:44:38] numerous short messages that Josea apparently delivered on various occasions over a number of years.

[00:44:45] Right. And in this chapter he reproves the people and priests for their sins following

[00:44:51] Jeroboam's death. Mm-hmm. And so there's no mention of the King or his family in these. Okay. All right.

[00:44:58] And bloodshed and other evils, usual in a civil war are specified in these few chapters. Got it. Okay. Yeah.

[00:45:05] So the prophet changes his mind or she wow I really fuck that up. The prophet charges his people

[00:45:13] with their enormous sins and consequence of which they are threatened with heavy judgments. Right. Okay.

[00:45:20] So as we move on, the corrupt and ineffective leadership of the priest is what's put to blame.

[00:45:29] Like you're leading the people astray. Yeah. And then we talk about the adultery of idolatry. Do

[00:45:38] you know how hard that was to say? Just so you know. And basically he's like you guys are

[00:45:48] stuff instead of me and my golden ball sack. Right. If we move on to verse 15, it says though you

[00:45:56] Israel commit adultery, do not let Judah become guilty, do not go to Gilgul, do not go up to Beth

[00:46:03] of on. Okay. I'm assuming our places where there's worship over other gods. Yeah. So the cities of

[00:46:10] Gilgul and Beth of on were centers of idolatry in Israel. For citizen of Judah to travel there meant

[00:46:17] to be shared in Isaiah's idolatry. In Isaiah's idolatry? I'm sorry, in Israel's. I say that

[00:46:25] Israel whatever. You know, one's person and one's tradition, whatever. Yeah. At one time,

[00:46:31] Gilgul was a place where prophets were trained under Elijah and Elijah and that's it from

[00:46:37] second Kings. Yeah. But in Jose's day, it had become a center of false worship. So that city had

[00:46:45] really done a flip flop. I'm assuming these were in the northern Israeli kingdom. Is that possible?

[00:46:51] I think so. Okay. Wherever Elijah and Elijah were. Got it. I can't remember honestly. Yeah,

[00:46:57] I mean, but I'm assuming those since we're talking about Israel and we're talking about idolatry

[00:47:03] and centers of those things. Israel was the northern kingdom. Wasn't it? They were the ones

[00:47:08] that were absorbed or whatever. Yes. Okay. And more than that they had previously before

[00:47:15] being conquered by Israel or whatever had happened to them exactly. They had been described as

[00:47:22] worshiping different gods. Right. Their idea of what Yahweh was was different,

[00:47:27] whether even got conquered. Yeah. Yeah. Everything was different with those northern tribes at some point.

[00:47:32] That's I forgot about that. But you're right. So there was actually no city named Beth

[00:47:38] Jose twisted the name of the city of Bethel, meaning House of God into the more fitting name

[00:47:46] Beth of on meaning House of deceit. I really like that. So you know. Yeah. Bethel was the southern

[00:47:54] center of calf worship established by Jeroboam. Got it. Which would have been the northern kingdom.

[00:48:01] So yeah, that makes sense. I believe. It says it was the southern center of calf worship. Right.

[00:48:08] That the calf worship was all done in the northern kingdom as I think. I don't remember honestly.

[00:48:13] I don't either. But I'm pretty sure it was done to Israel. We got that Israel was north.

[00:48:18] Right. But there was Judah and then there was Israel. Right. Let's talk to him. Yeah. Okay. All right.

[00:48:22] So moving on to verse 17, Ephraim is joined to idols. Leave him alone.

[00:48:30] So the tribe of Ephraim was the largest tribe in Israel and therefore the prophets

[00:48:35] often referred to Israel as Ephraim. It would be similar to how you call the state by the city

[00:48:43] or the capital city or whatever. The idolatry, greed and immorality of Israel is going to be

[00:48:49] cause of its destruction is what this is all getting to. Just real quick, Jeroboam was the king

[00:48:55] of the northern Israel. Okay. And then to not do so that was, you can yes. All right. That all

[00:49:01] follows. Yeah. Okay. So moving on to chapter five, in verse one it goes, here this you

[00:49:10] priest pay attention. You Israelites listen, royal house. This judgment is against you. You have been

[00:49:16] snare at Mitsba a net spread out on table. Do you remember those those were the two mountains?

[00:49:23] Right. So they referred to two high mountains in the northern land of Israel, which almost four

[00:49:30] miles high had on the top of it a plane of around three miles. Oh wow. And those are where

[00:49:37] altars were set up to and snare and draw people into idolatry. And the reason that the sites were

[00:49:42] able to do that is because they were honey-lipped mountains. I was like, yeah, you did that.

[00:49:51] I did that. Yeah. Yeah. No, I like that. If that had been in Wikipedia or any other place,

[00:49:58] I would have shipped my pants laughing. So mispa situated on the east of Jordan in the mountainous

[00:50:05] part of Gilead was the sacred place of the solemn covenant between the patriarch Jacob and Leban.

[00:50:12] Okay. And was probably like Gilead and other sacred places,

[00:50:18] desecrated by idolatry? Sure. But again, this is according to the southern tribe of Judah who then

[00:50:27] whatever. I mean the northern tribes didn't necessarily stop worshiping Yahweh because they just did

[00:50:38] pick an entirely different type of stuff. What did any of the time that didn't exist?

[00:50:43] I was gonna say it, that time was more oral to traditions. So I mean even with regard to that,

[00:50:49] that think about how things change in society now with regard to where you live and how you're

[00:50:55] brought up. Well, I was just a few imagine at a time when you hardly travel outside of your city,

[00:50:59] how things would be different from one place to the next. You know like it. Yeah. It doesn't.

[00:51:02] But even today where we have much more ability to be more homogeneous,

[00:51:09] there's still like a huge difference between like say Methodist and Southern Baptist. Sure.

[00:51:14] Like of course they say they believe the same God, but their worship is all kinds of different.

[00:51:22] Yeah. I'm here to tell you. Oh yeah. So anyway, both of are way, well, sorry. Let's talk about

[00:51:30] the other mountains. So that was Ms. Brothers's table. Sure. A beautiful mountain in Galilee

[00:51:35] within the tribe of Zebulon and it also sat between the tribal territories of Issa-Khar and

[00:51:43] Zebulon and was six miles from Nazareth. Okay. Okay. Tableau was the scene of God's deliverance

[00:51:50] of Israel by Baroque as red and judges chapter four. Okay. And then both of these places are said to be

[00:52:01] the word snare and net was right. Yes. And I remember you talking about that. Yeah. We're really

[00:52:07] done. Yeah. All right. So verse seven and yeah, verse seven says when they celebrate their new

[00:52:14] moon feast, he will devour their fields. Now if that is from our translation, but there's another

[00:52:21] translation that says now shall amoth devour them. So we just went from moth and fields. Okay.

[00:52:30] I like the idea of amoth devouring them better. Yeah. That's definitely weirder. Yeah. And I'm all

[00:52:37] for weird because there's just so much weird already and this like why not just go full like all

[00:52:42] then, you know? Yeah. Exactly. So in second Kings, there's a verse that says in a months time,

[00:52:50] the King of Assyria shall be upon them and obliged them to purchase their lives and liberties by

[00:52:55] Grievous tax of 50 shekels per head. So that's interesting. Yeah. Okay. Right. Um, instead of month,

[00:53:04] some translate the original as locust such that the locust shall devour them. Right. Which we

[00:53:10] were talking about that they could refer to how they referred to the Assyrians or whatever. Yeah.

[00:53:15] So yeah. Exactly. So verse eight says, sound the trumpet in Gabya, the horn and Rama,

[00:53:22] raised the battle cry and Beth of on lead on Benjamin. So Gabya and Rama were cities of Judah

[00:53:29] in the tribe of Benjamin. Okay. Okay. And where it says after the obejment, it's an abrupt

[00:53:35] call of warning. Okay. Yeah. And it's talking to the tribe of Benjamin not as the person. Right.

[00:53:43] Right. Right. There's another translation that says Benjamin fly for their life. The enemy is just

[00:53:48] in the hands of the enemy. And it's a prediction of the invasion of the Assyrians and the

[00:53:53] captivity of the 10 tribes. Right. Right. The people are firmly held by the power of idolatry and

[00:53:58] they are unable to return to God. They still suffer their animal sacrifice, or I'm sorry,

[00:54:04] offer their animal sacrifices, but God does not accept them because they're just like lip

[00:54:09] effects. Yeah. Um, they are not his children. We already read about that. Sure. But the children

[00:54:15] of prostitution within a short time, Gaby'll send another judgment upon them in the form

[00:54:20] of further devastation of their crops. So that's what's going to be coming. Got it. Okay. Yeah.

[00:54:27] And that is pretty much it for chapters one through five as far as any questions that we had or

[00:54:33] sure what we didn't understand was going on. Yeah. No, I was I'm glad for the summary. It's been,

[00:54:38] you know, like I said two and a half weeks or whatever since we started this. So it was nice

[00:54:43] to catch back up on everything. Yeah. And looking forward to getting back into some more chapters

[00:54:48] of Jose, which we should be doing probably soon. I think wife actually is going to the doctor

[00:54:55] tomorrow to see what we need to do next with regard to her arm and when she has more function of

[00:55:02] her arm, we might be doing a more podcast again. Right. That'll be exciting. It's hindering the research

[00:55:08] capabilities that she has been doing. So it really is and I know it shouldn't be, but see

[00:55:14] well sure it should be. You have to you know type things. So yeah, my left hand is so

[00:55:20] classy. I can't do anything with it. It sucks. Well, I mean if they go listen to the story,

[00:55:26] like everything in the last three weeks was so classy. Well, yeah. There's that.

[00:55:31] So I haven't left the house since I got this cast on my arm. They literally grounded me from

[00:55:36] taking the stairs. Yeah. Well, tried to. You still did it a couple of times. So I snuck down and

[00:55:42] did laundry. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well that was our Q&A for Josea chapters 1 through 5.

[00:55:50] Q&A. No, I'm Saturday. Maybe it'll be again someday. Right. And I will be getting together a weekly

[00:55:59] wrap up together for Josea chapters 1 through 5 plus the Q&A here because that's well overdue just

[00:56:05] because of time. Nothing else. Like normally this is where we would do it anyway, but that will be

[00:56:11] coming out shortly and then hopefully hopefully we'll be back. I'm just going to say soon with

[00:56:19] Josea. Josea. Josea had chapter 6. Yes, that's so funny. I wasn't really listening to you.

[00:56:26] And so then you looked at me, expectantly. And I had to replay the entire last like two seconds.

[00:56:32] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Is he one for me? Yeah. Josea chapter 6. All right. We'll see you then. Bye.