Hosea Chapters 11 - 14 Q&A: Bible Study by Atheists

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to Sacrilegious Discourse.

[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_00]: For this is what the Sovereign Lord says!

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Why do you need prophets to tell people who you are and what you want?

[00:00:07] [SPEAKER_00]: If you can justify everything that the God of the Bible has done,

[00:00:11] [SPEAKER_00]: then you can justify any of your behavior.

[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_04]: A lot of this mentality is trickling into

[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_04]: what is now mainstream right wing Christianity.

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_00]: I am capable of empathy greater than this God of the Bible.

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_04]: This is a Bible that they tell kids this is the good Lord,

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_04]: this is the good book, this is...

[00:00:33] [SPEAKER_04]: He is fantasizing about murder, mass murder.

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[00:00:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Wife!

[00:00:49] [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what we're doing today?

[00:00:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, we're a little late but we are getting into our Q&A I think.

[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_00]: So we're doing our Q&A, not on Saturday coming out Sunday night.

[00:01:04] [SPEAKER_04]: But it's for a good reason.

[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_04]: We actually got sprung on us some pretty amazing...

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_04]: It was a very unexpected event that we got to attend last night.

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Well, yeah, last night.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:01:16] [SPEAKER_04]: So you want to tell them all about it?

[00:01:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so a friend of yours called and was like,

[00:01:22] [SPEAKER_00]: dude, my girl can't make it and I have these extra tickets and can you be there?

[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_00]: You'd have to come get these tickets and watch the show in two hours.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:01:34] [SPEAKER_00]: And you looked at me and were like,

[00:01:36] [SPEAKER_00]: want to go to Hamilton in two hours?

[00:01:38] [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, fuck yeah!

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Right?

[00:01:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:01:42] [SPEAKER_04]: So we went to go see Hamilton.

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:01:45] [SPEAKER_00]: And we've seen it on TV, Disney a billion times and loved the show

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_00]: but had never been fortunate enough to see it live.

[00:01:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Our kid knows the songs by heart.

[00:01:54] [SPEAKER_00]: All of them.

[00:01:55] [SPEAKER_00]: The entirety of it.

[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:01:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I know much of it by at least sort of heart.

[00:02:02] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean Aaron Burr.

[00:02:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:02:05] [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so I had to put on a dress and I haven't done that in several years.

[00:02:11] [SPEAKER_00]: And I had to put on makeup which I haven't done in several months.

[00:02:15] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, right.

[00:02:16] [SPEAKER_04]: But we had a really good time.

[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_00]: It was so nice.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_00]: And there were two ladies sitting right next to us and one of them had seen the show recently in New York.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And so we were oohing in on about how cool that would have been.

[00:02:32] [SPEAKER_00]: She leans over at intermission and goes, you guys, this show is way better than the one I saw in New York.

[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Which was like wow because you know we're in Dayton, Ohio.

[00:02:43] [SPEAKER_00]: We have no business having a better performance here than in New York of all places.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, right.

[00:02:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was fantastic.

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, so that's our reason for being late with the show and we apologize for being late.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean I'm not sorry because...

[00:02:58] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry to our fans.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry that...

[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sorry I went but I'm sorry that it...

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah, I'm not sorry I went.

[00:03:04] [SPEAKER_04]: But I am sorry that we got this released late.

[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_00]: But I mean I think the people who listen to us are the same people that would be like obviously you had to go to Hamilton.

[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_04]: Well yeah, that's been the response so far from people that we've communicated to on Patreon and stuff like that.

[00:03:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Like broken arm one time and another time is but we gone tickets to Hamilton.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: I mean our life is just full of ups and downs.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_04]: Sure.

[00:03:27] [SPEAKER_04]: You know?

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Like nothing in the middle.

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing in between.

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, I feel like that might have been a reward for...

[00:03:33] [SPEAKER_00]: That's what my mom said.

[00:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: My mom said you too have had a real tough couple of months here and you deserve this.

[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Not that I believe in fate or destiny or anything like that.

[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_00]: No, it was a nice treat after having suffered the last couple months.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_04]: It certainly was.

[00:03:51] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, that was the reason we're running late and then are you ready to get in?

[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_04]: Do you have some good questions and answers and stuff like that for us today?

[00:04:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're covering Hosea chapters 11 through 14 and I do have some good info.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Awesome.

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_04]: Let's do this.

[00:04:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Okie dokie.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, we are hopping into the final few chapters of Hosea chapters 11 through 14.

[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean we're doing the Q&A for them, we're not hopping into the chapters.

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Well yeah, we're doing the Q&A for them.

[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_04]: The way you said it, it sounded like we were starting into whatever section of the chapters.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to read them all over again.

[00:04:33] [SPEAKER_00]: This is the Q&A.

[00:04:34] [SPEAKER_00]: It's a Q&A.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_00]: You're right.

[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, let's start with chapter 11 and we had some confusing things.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[00:04:41] [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know the words I'm trying to say right now.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, we were befuddled.

[00:04:45] [SPEAKER_00]: Well chapter 12, I mean when we get to chapter 12, I wrote a giant note that just said this

[00:04:50] [SPEAKER_00]: whole chapter was confusing.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:04:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So that's the one word.

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_04]: You didn't just write WTF?

[00:04:55] [SPEAKER_04]: WTF?

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Like what the fuck?

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_00]: No, I actually spelled the words out and just was like, noop.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_03]: Got it, got it.

[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_00]: But let's start with chapter 11.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Ok, so this chapter contains prophecies about God's former benefits and Israel's

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_00]: gratitude of those resulting in punishment.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_04]: The former, was this where he was like getting them out of Egypt and stuff?

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, he's like I used to cheat you so good, remember centuries ago and the people

[00:05:22] [SPEAKER_00]: are like no, I wasn't there.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_00]: What the fuck are you even talking about?

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_04]: They weren't there and also he didn't treat them good.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_04]: Right, exactly.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_04]: So I mean there's both of those things.

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_00]: And if you did, you didn't tell me there were fucking strings attached asshole.

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Some people just love each other and do nice things for each other without keeping

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_00]: score.

[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_00]: You know?

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's what I do, I don't.

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And also I feel like the level of punishment that's being dispersed here or talked about

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_04]: being dispersed here is way beyond anything reasonable.

[00:05:49] [SPEAKER_00]: But I was good to you.

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_00]: But I got you out of slavery.

[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Like but ok, let's just see what you just said.

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_00]: I got you out of slavery.

[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, as well you should motherfucker.

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we, ok we won't even go into the fact that you're a god and you allowed your chosen

[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_00]: people to be in slavery.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:06:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's not even talk about magic.

[00:06:13] [SPEAKER_04]: You know, and that's funny that something never really gets discussed right?

[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_04]: We'd skip from like basically Genesis with a bunch of names in between.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:06:21] [SPEAKER_04]: To Exodus.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_00]: All of a sudden they're just.

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Where was the middle thousands of years?

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.

[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_04]: I mean just people would you know were born and died.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_04]: That's it.

[00:06:31] [SPEAKER_04]: Pretty much.

[00:06:33] [SPEAKER_04]: And then when we rejoin the story they're in slavery in Egypt.

[00:06:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:06:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Which isn't even fucking true based on like scholars accounts.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_04]: So I, what?

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:06:42] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the beginning of like the history part of stuff.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_00]: Like we just kind of skip.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_04]: Everything.

[00:06:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Like the beginnings of you know life on earth or whatever.

[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_04]: It began over here and look they popped up cities.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_04]: And there was like lots of people.

[00:06:58] [SPEAKER_04]: And then people lived for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_04]: And then they stopped living for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_04]: And then.

[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Because flood.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_04]: And then somebody fought God in the desert.

[00:07:06] [SPEAKER_04]: And then we're in Egypt.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[00:07:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the fighting God in the desert came after leaving Egypt.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_00]: I am whatever.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_04]: No it didn't.

[00:07:16] [SPEAKER_00]: No yeah I did.

[00:07:17] [SPEAKER_00]: It was part of their exodus.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_04]: No.

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to reference it in this chapter.

[00:07:21] [SPEAKER_04]: That was that was part of Jacob and all that.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to reference it.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:07:26] [SPEAKER_00]: I promise you.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Yes it was Jacob but it was while they were he was like Jacob's the dude that married

[00:07:35] [SPEAKER_00]: the two daughters.

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:07:37] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:07:38] [SPEAKER_00]: So they're just like wandering around.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_04]: I think you might be wrong here.

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_04]: I will I will do some due diligence here but I'm pretty certain you're wrong.

[00:07:48] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah go ahead and talk about what you want to talk about but.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:07:52] [SPEAKER_00]: So anyway God's like I'm awesome and I did great things for you but I still love you

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_00]: and he promises their eventual restoration.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_00]: So the first few chapter versus of this chapter talk about how as a father loves a son so God

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_00]: loved Israel and saved his people from slavery in Egypt they turned from God to serve idols

[00:08:17] [SPEAKER_00]: but God still loved them and cared for them.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_00]: Got it.

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_04]: And also you were wrong.

[00:08:22] [SPEAKER_00]: Oh okay.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry.

[00:08:24] [SPEAKER_04]: Just for the record Jacob was before.

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_00]: My bad.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_04]: It's all right.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_00]: I just it's all a blur to me.

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_04]: I just wanted to make sure that was a big one so I want to make sure we clarify.

[00:08:33] [SPEAKER_00]: No you're right good on you.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[00:08:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_04]: That's right.

[00:08:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

[00:08:36] [SPEAKER_00]: It's all kind of just like I don't know maybe I'd have to care more which I know

[00:08:43] [SPEAKER_00]: that sounds bad like I'm reading a whole podcast to like try to you know care more

[00:08:50] [SPEAKER_00]: and learn more.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know that's just one of those like slipped through the cracks for me.

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_03]: Got it.

[00:08:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.

[00:08:57] [SPEAKER_03]: That's right.

[00:08:58] [SPEAKER_00]: If you can hear husband rolling his eyes and glaring at me like gold star for you.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah yeah.

[00:09:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway moving on the people of Israel have refused to return to God right.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:09:11] [SPEAKER_00]: Like throughout this whole fucking book right.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah right.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_00]: And now they are about to go into slavery again this time by Assyria.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why we're talking about Egypt.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_00]: He's like I took you out of Egypt and now I'm going to let you go into Assyria and let

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_00]: you bow down and suck my toes.

[00:09:28] [SPEAKER_00]: So God's going to overpower the enemies of Israel releases people from captivity and

[00:09:33] [SPEAKER_00]: bring them back to their homeland.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[00:09:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Supposedly that's going to happen okay.

[00:09:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Except for that he doesn't do it for anybody but Judah basically.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_04]: Because because the tribe still end up split and they never come back together.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:09:47] [SPEAKER_04]: That we're aware of.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_04]: Not officially.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:09:50] [SPEAKER_04]: The band never got back together.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[00:09:52] [SPEAKER_00]: The band never got back together.

[00:09:53] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:09:54] [SPEAKER_00]: So verse five and six read as follows will they not return to Egypt and will not Assyria

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_00]: rule over them because they refuse to repent a sword will flash in their cities.

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_00]: It will devour their false prophets and put an end to their plans.

[00:10:11] [SPEAKER_04]: And again we keep saying that God keeps saying he's going to destroy all the idols.

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_04]: He's going to get you.

[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_04]: He's going to kill all the people that are bad and they keep being there time and time

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_04]: and time and time again.

[00:10:23] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And then they refer to the survivors as a remnant, a mere remnant.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:10:28] [SPEAKER_04]: But you can't if you're talking about this being the word of God right you cannot say

[00:10:33] [SPEAKER_04]: over and over again I'm going to decimate wipe away all are going to be gone.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_00]: Embrace you.

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to cancel you from the chat.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_04]: And then start talking about it again because that's not how that you're either you're either

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_04]: an all-powerful God who follows through with his word and did the thing he said he's going

[00:10:51] [SPEAKER_04]: to do or you lied.

[00:10:53] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:10:54] [SPEAKER_04]: That's the only two options I think.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_04]: Or well no there is a third and that's that you don't exist which is the one that is

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_04]: actually the one that we go by.

[00:11:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Men are stupid.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_00]: That is the likelihood of it.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:11:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Well men like to brag right?

[00:11:08] [SPEAKER_04]: Men like to talk in you always talk about the fish.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_04]: The fish story it's a famous thing right?

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_04]: It was I caught a fish this big right and then in reality it wasn't.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_04]: So that you know.

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Israel was agitated with internal unrest and external wars from the time of Jeroboam

[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_00]: the second.

[00:11:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_00]: So this is all going back to that time period okay.

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_00]: And all this is happening.

[00:11:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see Jeroboam's son Zechariah reigned 12 years yet it was in continual troubles

[00:11:40] [SPEAKER_00]: and he was at last slain by the rebel Shalom who having reigned just one month was slain

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_00]: by Manahem.

[00:11:48] [SPEAKER_00]: Pekahiah succeeded his father Manahem and reigned two years and was killed by Pekah son

[00:11:55] [SPEAKER_00]: of Remalaya.

[00:11:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Now Pekah joined resin king of Syria and made an incursion into the land of Judah

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_00]: but with Ahaz having obtained succor from the king of Assyria to Glathpolisar remember

[00:12:11] [SPEAKER_00]: that guy Pekah was defeated.

[00:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay here's the rest of the sentence.

[00:12:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_00]: And the tribes of Rubin, Gad, Neftali and the half tribe of Manisa were carried away

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_00]: captives by the Assyrian king.

[00:12:27] [SPEAKER_01]: You know that's what happened.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:12:29] [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

[00:12:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Never came back.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Never quite could recover from that hurricane.

[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know we've talked about well we've moved on from this time frame where we are

[00:12:42] [SPEAKER_04]: in the Bible now we're going back to it but we don't really talk about those other tribes

[00:12:45] [SPEAKER_04]: anymore so much they are referenced as in a distant that happened over there type

[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_04]: thing but they're no longer part of the Israelites when they're talking about them.

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Well and that's what's so confusing to me still even to this day like when

[00:13:00] [SPEAKER_00]: we talk about the Middle East and you know the crisis that's happening right now like do

[00:13:06] [SPEAKER_00]: we or don't we support Israel.

[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about Israel not Judah and it's just very confusing to me that it's like no

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_00]: but Israel got swallowed up and it's the Judah tribes that didn't.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_04]: Well when we're talking about a state that's called Israel.

[00:13:23] [SPEAKER_00]: I know but that's confusing to me.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Got it.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_00]: Because like sometimes the Israelites refers to all of them altogether but sometimes it

[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_00]: only refers to Israel that got swallowed.

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_04]: I think you have to put a distinguishing line between ancient Israelites and the discussion

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_00]: there and well that's why we call modern the Israelis they're not as Israeli right

[00:13:48] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's that's what the distinguishing line is sure but just for somebody who's

[00:13:53] [SPEAKER_00]: very ignorant obviously I mean I made a mistake right at the opening of the geography and the

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_00]: times and all that it's just very confusing to have learned you know oh no actually the

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Israelites that that whole tribe of them got got right right so verse 10 reads they will

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_00]: follow the Lord he will roar like a lion when he roars his children will come trembling

[00:14:18] [SPEAKER_00]: from the west and scholars believe this verse is probably a later addition okay okay all right yeah

[00:14:25] [SPEAKER_00]: so that one was probably not there when we stapled this all together got it okay yeah so

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_00]: moving on to the last couple verses of this chapter Israel's political agreements with

[00:14:37] [SPEAKER_00]: foreign nations whether concerning trade or defense are unlawful in God's eyes oh yeah okay

[00:14:44] [SPEAKER_04]: because we care about law when it comes to God yes right sometimes never sometimes

[00:14:50] [SPEAKER_00]: verse 12 which is the last verse of this chapter reads Ephraim has surrounded me with lies Israel

[00:14:57] [SPEAKER_00]: with deceit and Judah is unruly against God even against the faithful holy one this verse actually

[00:15:05] [SPEAKER_00]: does not well unite with the previous ones which dealt with the topic of God's love for his

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_00]: people yeah like he was like but I took you out and I just love you so hard right this one is like

[00:15:18] [SPEAKER_00]: all y'all suck you fucking liar motherfuckers yeah so it actually belongs to the following chapter

[00:15:25] [SPEAKER_04]: and that's how it is in the Hebrew oh yeah okay so well that makes a lot more sense it does right

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah because we talk like from here on out well there is some redemption but it's usually at

[00:15:35] [SPEAKER_04]: the end of the chapters and it's like uh well if you do this I'll forgive you sort of kind

[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_00]: of exactly roundabout way and this kind of went backwards you motherfuckers right so moving on to

[00:15:46] [SPEAKER_00]: chapter 12 again I titled this one this entire chapter is confusing with three exclamation points

[00:15:54] [SPEAKER_00]: and all caps got it yeah because I remember we needed to make a note of that sure and we

[00:16:01] [SPEAKER_00]: didn't have a specific question we just had what even did I just read right okay right so this

[00:16:06] [SPEAKER_00]: is going to take up the bulk of this fyi doesn't kind of break it down for us yeah so the rest of

[00:16:12] [SPEAKER_00]: the prophecy belongs both to Judah and Israel even though Israel gets got okay he reproaches

[00:16:21] [SPEAKER_00]: both with their ingratitude and threatens them with God's anger in order to make their infidelity

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_00]: the more hateful and their malice the more sensible he opposes to he proposes one more

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_00]: time he talks to them about their righteousness obedience and piety of their father Jacob okay

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_00]: so he's like comparing them he's like Jacob was kind of good but he also man y'all are just like him

[00:16:50] [SPEAKER_04]: assholes nothing's changed in thousands of years yet i'm still as a god gonna continue

[00:16:56] [SPEAKER_04]: to be angry at you even though I made you and know everything that's going to happen and I know your

[00:17:01] [SPEAKER_04]: heart and it keeps happening but I'm still going to keep killing you because why not I'm God yep

[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_00]: because I can all right he recalls to their minds the benefits they had received since they returned

[00:17:12] [SPEAKER_00]: from Egypt he speaks afterwards of their kings and how in their ingratitude they refuse to have him

[00:17:20] [SPEAKER_00]: for their monarch because remember they chose yeah what's his butt whoever the kings right yeah

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_00]: this chapter was all the first one I can't remember at this point either which I did me too

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_00]: but whatever this chapter contains prophecies delivered about the time when the kingdom of Israel

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_00]: awful often referred to as Ephraim in this chapter sought the aid of the Egyptian king

[00:17:44] [SPEAKER_00]: in violation of her covenant with Assyria okay so remember we talked about how she was caught

[00:17:51] [SPEAKER_00]: in the middle like yeah you know two major powerful forces on either side and this little

[00:17:59] [SPEAKER_00]: nation in the middle is just trying to not get squashed right and so they're making deals with

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_00]: both and pleasing neither and getting squashed by both sure yeah so Hosea the prophet whose book

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_00]: that we're reading yeah exhorts the country's leaders to follow their father Jacobs persevering

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_00]: prayerfulness okay prayerfulness there so that's the general gist of what that chapter is but

[00:18:24] [SPEAKER_00]: now let's get into the verses okay so Israel's political agreements with foreign nations whether

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_00]: concerning trade or defense are unlawful in God's eyes which we said they are based on lies and

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_00]: dishonesty displaying the deeply rooted deceit of Israel Hosea describes the unprofitableness

[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_00]: and destruction attending vicious circles of business and all of that he's just like y'all suck

[00:18:54] [SPEAKER_00]: particularly such as Ephraim pursued who foresaught God and courted the alliance of idolatrous

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_00]: princes yucky okay yeah the idols and foreign alliances that Israel trusts in are useless

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_00]: they are like trying to quote feed on the wind okay and that gets us that gets us into the first

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_00]: verse okay yeah Ephraim feeds on the wind he pursues the east wind all day and multiplies lies

[00:19:24] [SPEAKER_00]: and violence he makes a treaty with assyria and sends olive oil to Egypt okay so the east wind is

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_00]: coming from Arabia and the far east indicating that Ephraim forms and follows empty unstable and

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_00]: dangerous councils the east wind was and still is a perching wasting injurious wind with the force

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_00]: of the whirlwind oh blowing over a large sandy area scorching and destructive to vegetation got it

[00:19:54] [SPEAKER_00]: speaking of whirlwinds our heart is with the people of florida who are about to endure another

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_00]: freaking recovering from helene and about to get pummeled by climate change is real yeah

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_00]: milton is the new guy i can't remember yeah and he's coming from inside the gulf of Mexico

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_00]: instead of weird yeah i guess from what i read like the last time that happened was in 2003

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_00]: wow yeah so that's interesting i saw that and i was like what that's backwards that doesn't make

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_00]: sense and so then i had to find several more pictures to confirm that that is yes indeed what

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_00]: is happening huh so interesting weird yeah and everybody like all the weather people are like

[00:20:35] [SPEAKER_00]: dude what the fuck and yeah us sitting here dumb dums and pajamas at our table are like

[00:20:41] [SPEAKER_00]: climate change stupid right so yeah yeah anyway when uh that final line in that verse says they

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_00]: make a treaty with assyria and they send all of oil to egypt right the oil is carried to egypt

[00:20:56] [SPEAKER_00]: refers to the rich and precious oils for which palestine was famed being used to procure

[00:21:02] [SPEAKER_00]: egypt's friendship sure so again they're making treaties with one and they're offering gifts

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_00]: to the other and could very well be the opposite way the following week right all right verse three reads

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_00]: in the womb he grasped his brother's heel as a man he struggled with god and that's jacob yeah who

[00:21:21] [SPEAKER_00]: who i had so reference for israel yeah right yeah here god looks back at the patriarch jacob

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and how israel in hoséa's day is just like their forefather jacob in the days of genesis

[00:21:33] [SPEAKER_00]: those motherfuckers in ancient israel a hill catcher that was like an actual phrase yeah

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_00]: was known as a double dealer someone who achieved their goals through crafty and dishonest means

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_04]: that's interesting because jacob literally became the name for the israelites right and so

[00:21:56] [SPEAKER_04]: the fact that he did just that in the bible right means that god sees them by namesake yes as a crafty

[00:22:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and manipulative people so he knows that that's what they are right it's built into this name yeah

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_00]: their own bible calls them that that's kind of a revelation and crazy yeah isn't it because

[00:22:17] [SPEAKER_04]: that's all we talk about right we talk about them constantly not doing their part right and

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_04]: they're always doing things the wrong way and bad and whatever and that's because they literally

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_00]: were made that way yeah they came out of the womb that way if we're to believe the bible right

[00:22:34] [SPEAKER_04]: like god has built in this shittiness of the israelites and then punishes them for what he

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_04]: built into the system yes and named them after yeah like wow right jesus christ man

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_00]: that's so gross he's so gross and dumb and mean yeah and bad i agree yeah i agree so through

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_00]: hosea god said that was jacob then and it is israel now y'all motherfuckers and it's not a good thing

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_04]: right even though we like jacob yes right yes like we like jacob yeah but we but he did cheat to

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_04]: get the birthright to come out first right i i'm just yeah i don't know i there's so much right

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_04]: there's so much in this bible that it needs more you know in depth and somebody out there's doing

[00:23:23] [SPEAKER_04]: it right not not us necessarily we're we're we're witnessing that these things need more research

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah and someday maybe when we get done with all this yeah we'll go back and catch some of these

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_04]: finer points or talk to people that have caught these finer points right but it's interesting to just

[00:23:38] [SPEAKER_04]: stumble across these things and be like holy shit well let us not forget that israel

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_00]: jacob also tricked his father into giving him the birthright by being like look i'm harry esau

[00:23:52] [SPEAKER_04]: right it didn't end with the birth they just kept happening yeah right and and this is what we

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_04]: named israelites after yeah they are jacob right and it wow right like i was as i was reading these

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_00]: notes i was like oh my god but that is so i don't even know what the word is but it's like how can you

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_00]: be mad at this people that are named after the the guy who you called a cheaty cheater prior to

[00:24:20] [SPEAKER_00]: even being born yeah prior to even being born in the womb right israel was a cheaty cheater

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah so it we recognize like this seems more like a commentary on human nature right human nature is

[00:24:33] [SPEAKER_04]: that we fuck up yeah and we don't do things the right way and there's always something wrong with

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_04]: our actions and whatever right yes and so human nature says we are going to continue to do that

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_04]: and and part of this is kind of beautiful that the bible is able to recognize that humans are

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_04]: able to fuck up right and that they're gonna continue to fuck up yeah and it's a recognizable

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_04]: fact in society that we're going to continue and do and still and will fuck up right that part is

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_04]: kind of cool it's a neat metaphor the part that's not cool is then creating a god that is supposed

[00:25:04] [SPEAKER_04]: to punish you ongoing right through history yeah on and on and on and on for these admitted flaws

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_00]: right in human right right and i mean jesus the jesus story is like the whole thing again

[00:25:19] [SPEAKER_00]: like oh well you'll never be good you suck from birth but at least jesus will take that away from

[00:25:26] [SPEAKER_00]: you he'll wash your sins away he'll clean you've been cleaned in the blood of christ sure right yeah

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_04]: it's part of the same like the recognition that we're always going to be shitty yep but the only

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_04]: thing that's changed between christianity and judyism is that they have stopped letting god

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_00]: kill everybody right that's it only because history caught up and was like maybe not guys

[00:25:49] [SPEAKER_00]: actually magic isn't quite real is it i guess right like hmm there's not this overpowerful

[00:25:57] [SPEAKER_04]: guy throwing birds at us yeah right and i think that's obvious right yeah just in the everyday

[00:26:04] [SPEAKER_04]: course of your life there is no obvious god right right and and even christians know this

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_04]: right they'll say they talk to god they'll say that they do these things but it's more of a

[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_04]: being caught up in your own emotions your own thoughts then it is an actual witnessing of

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_00]: an action by a god no they're they're never punished by god when a bad thing happens it's

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_00]: either the devil did it or it's in god's plan but it's not a punishment right god never punish

[00:26:33] [SPEAKER_00]: us anymore right ever yeah we never get punished unless he does right unless um you know it depends

[00:26:41] [SPEAKER_00]: on which profitee preacher that you ask because some might say that because we took prayer out of school

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_00]: and you know we're fighting for the gay agenda that that's why we got um hurricane katrina i was

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_04]: gonna say god never punishes christians anymore right but god often punishes the non christian

[00:26:59] [SPEAKER_00]: right yeah according to christians according to hardcore right radical christians yes because

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_04]: like i still remember and this was awful but that uh nightclub shooting that happened

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_04]: years ago right in florida wasn't it yeah it was in florida um and it was a gay gay and lesbian

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_04]: nightclub i think or it was lgbtq friendly at the very least whatever the case was um and

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_04]: there was a lot of people that died that night and there was a lot of christians

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_04]: that came out and said well they deserved it yeah they had a god god punished them for their sense

[00:27:31] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah like wow right fuck you fuck you all the way to mars and back yeah no that was like

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_04]: fuck you fuck you fuck you right like that is not okay no it's not okay i you

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_04]: i i just can't imagine like being in a place in my life where i feel like i have the right

[00:27:50] [SPEAKER_00]: to pass judgment on people for having died and all they did was like go out dancing that night

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_04]: right i just can't imagine that place right i can't imagine what brings someone to that place

[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_04]: and and has then they feel compelled to share that yeah like not only do you have that feeling in

[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_00]: your heart that gloating right but then you share it out loud right and you get cheered on yay

[00:28:13] [SPEAKER_00]: people died awesome i'm so excited not even the crazy one in the room you're just one of many

[00:28:18] [SPEAKER_04]: christians yeah right wing christians you're one of many christians you're one of many

[00:28:23] [SPEAKER_04]: of them that are saying the same message and it's just it's sickening to me yeah and part of why i

[00:28:30] [SPEAKER_04]: want to read this bible to find out where are they giving this shit well you know i know i know i

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_04]: know but but but the same people will tell you that well god has forgiven us because christ

[00:28:40] [SPEAKER_04]: you know christ had for our sense yeah the same people and and i think the hypocrisy is what

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_04]: gets a lot of people out of religion yes they're like wait wait you're you told me that

[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_04]: this is a loving god now and but you're telling me that you also judge people and hate people

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_04]: right that that doesn't that doesn't jive man right uh i'm gonna i'm gonna examine this a little bit

[00:29:02] [SPEAKER_00]: right in the second they start asking questions is when they you know get either pushed out or

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_04]: they start not liking the answers yeah and that's just it sometimes it's not even their own doing

[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_04]: people push them out for them yeah they're like oh you weren't allowed to ask questions and then

[00:29:15] [SPEAKER_04]: they're like what right what do you mean i'm not allowed to ask questions hang on hang on

[00:29:20] [SPEAKER_04]: what who said that wasn't a rule i thought you're what i i read the ten commandments i read the

[00:29:27] [SPEAKER_00]: devotionals that you sent me home with yeah i read all the rules and don't ask questions was not in

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_04]: there but dammit we told you not to read about the talking donkey yeah i mean you went ahead and

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_04]: read about the talking donkey and now you got questions and fuck you for that and you should

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_00]: just uh you're you're heathen sorry yep all all of your entire life means nothing now

[00:29:48] [SPEAKER_04]: bye no it's we hear that story so often not not that story that we just told but like similar

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah similar thoughts similar cases you know so so to grasp the heel was another phrase and that

[00:30:02] [SPEAKER_00]: also meant to go behind one's back yeah in order to deceive or trick him and this became the dominant

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_00]: characteristic of that man like once you got known as that yeah a cheaty cheater i see yeah

[00:30:14] [SPEAKER_00]: you were that guy so this is all to say ancient jacob is an example of israel's present deceit in

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_00]: this story interesting yeah such deceit has been a characteristic of israel from the time of the

[00:30:27] [SPEAKER_00]: nation's forefather jacob the original israel from birth jacob showed a desire to get his own way

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_00]: okay as an adult he struggled even with god only when he was forced finally to give in did he

[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_00]: win the blessing he so eagerly desired he is reminded of the extraordinary favor of god to his

[00:30:49] [SPEAKER_00]: father jacob and giving him the birthright then the prophet recalls the struggle between jacob and the

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_00]: man in genesis chapter 32 that's when he fought in the desert yeah jacob refused to submit to god

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_00]: so god demanded submission from him in a literal wrestling match right and it depends who you ask i

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_00]: know we covered this at the time was that god personified in humans some people say yes but

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_00]: then other people are like no he can't do that as an angel of the lord as they referred to it in the

[00:31:22] [SPEAKER_00]: bible right and then others are like it didn't really happen it's a metaphor right i something

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_04]: that's occurring to me right now and that's that this had to have been like the theme we've been

[00:31:36] [SPEAKER_04]: discussing right this whole how humans are constantly fucking up and and this whole bit

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_04]: about jacob and everything like that prior to christianity this had to have been the major focus of

[00:31:46] [SPEAKER_04]: what israelites jewish people understood their religion to be right the continual

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_04]: not correctness of their own people which translates into christianity somewhat because

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_04]: you know we recognize that same thing right we only are redeemed by um you know worshiping christ or

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_04]: or whatever right so there is there the same theme is present from the beginning to the end of the

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_04]: the bible which minus all of the other shitty stuff that happens in there it's kind of cool

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_04]: right it's kind of cool it is they stuck to a theme i was going to say the unifying theme

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_00]: that threads its way through from beginning to end is humanity has sucked from inception

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_00]: from the womb from the time it first landed on the planet and i can attest to the fact that we suck

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_04]: you know i i so i right and i think any any anything that's going to persist in society

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_04]: that's a religion or an idea has to have some semblance of truth right i feel like this is

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_04]: that semblance of truth that exists in this religion sure that that humans suck sure right

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_04]: we can all we can all agree on that it's just a matter of which one of us sucks right and this

[00:33:01] [SPEAKER_04]: the religion gives us the ability to blame whoever we want right but not me personally

[00:33:06] [SPEAKER_00]: humanity as a whole but i mean obviously i'm godly yeah that person over there

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_00]: don't know about my neighbor because they wore their shirt backwards and you know how that be

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah you know yeah yeah can't wear white shoes after labor day holy fuck those pants no shoes well

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_00]: actually i think it's white in general like you wear white after labor day right but a lot of times

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_00]: it has to do with like the shoes that you wear with your dress you know your east or bonnetea

[00:33:37] [SPEAKER_04]: shit you know that has to do with like uh it's a class thing right so okay yeah all right of

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_04]: just to spell it out for the the class here but um the uh the people that would wear white

[00:33:49] [SPEAKER_04]: would be your white collar workers and so the after labor day not wearing white was to show

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_04]: who were the white collar workers yeah like obviously they are not part of labor day they

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_04]: are not laborers so yeah that's all yeah i was there the poor pointing that out yeah they're the

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_00]: poor no they're the rich no i mean you know what i'm saying right i had it backwards i'm saying

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_04]: right but the labor day was for the laborers so they were no one liked the rich right then we still

[00:34:19] [SPEAKER_04]: don't like the rich like we like to um see that they're downfall that's a that's a thing right

[00:34:25] [SPEAKER_04]: so it was always a thing to point out oh there goes the rich motherfucker over there

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_00]: okay i had it backwards sorry that's all that's why you don't wear white after labor day got it

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_00]: okay my bad whatever anyway yeah all right so the last half of this chapter is about um

[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_00]: though israel is confident in its wealth god will bring them low okay so they're like we're doing fine

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and we don't really need to like bend back on what we're doing because we're rich and stuff

[00:34:58] [SPEAKER_00]: god's like well yeah hold my beer right yeah e- firm is accused of pursuing practices that are

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_00]: deceitful while pretending to be honest he kept a quote weight and a weight okay a weight and a

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_00]: weight that is a heavy one to buy with and a light one to sell by okay so that way he's always

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_04]: getting the best we're talking about the scales yes the scales are yes the weights yeah the

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_00]: weights for the scales yeah he's always getting the best deal whether he's on the purchasing or

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_00]: seller's end got it okay and they're doing that to each other so like nobody's getting a good deal

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_00]: sure but they're all pretending to be like fair and honest even as they're doing this shit right

[00:35:43] [SPEAKER_00]: so hosea prophesied during a time of great prosperity as i said but spiritual and moral

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_00]: decadence in israel when things are good financially it's hard for people to believe

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_00]: that their society is in trouble and that's where that's when your bookbanning starts

[00:36:02] [SPEAKER_00]: jk so um yeah anyway merchants have become wealthy by cheating and oppressing the poor but now

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_00]: they are to receive a fitting justice they have used their wealth to bribe judges and

[00:36:17] [SPEAKER_00]: administrators but they cannot use it to bribe god because you know god knows right

[00:36:22] [SPEAKER_00]: their prosperous cities and luxurious houses will be destroyed and the people of israel will be

[00:36:29] [SPEAKER_00]: forced to live in tents as they did on their journey from egypt to canaan not that oh that's

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_00]: that's where i got it mixed up okay that makes better sense i was like i knew that i was going

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_00]: to be talking about the exodus in here somewhere i just put it all together as one got it got

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_00]: it this was an experience that israelites were called each year the living in tents and all that

[00:36:52] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah um when they lived in a small temporary shelters during the feast of tabernacles okay

[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_04]: okay yeah i thought i was something yeah we were trying to remember it last time of shelters or

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_04]: something like that but i think that might have been called something different when we were

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_00]: reading through it it might have been that as well yeah i don't remember there were some

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_00]: that had more than one name that might have been one sure so god had used prophets to speak

[00:37:14] [SPEAKER_00]: to his people in many ways sure he did right you know we've come to them anyway according to

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_00]: those prophets yeah but we've talked about this before like but there were people making claims

[00:37:24] [SPEAKER_00]: of all sorts yeah and you had no way of knowing which one was actually speaking for god or the

[00:37:29] [SPEAKER_00]: word of god or the book of god or what other than their word yeah their word not god's word

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah their word you just had to know right yep but the people repeatedly ignored the messages

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_00]: and are now to suffer the consequences he then alters that have been built high and stately

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_00]: to add dignity to the pagan gods will now be destroyed again left like heaps of stone in a field

[00:37:56] [SPEAKER_00]: again yeah yeah god then threatens to deprive his people of their possessions as they have rejected

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_00]: every means of reformation and given themselves up to gross impurities

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah verse nine reads i have been the lord your god ever since you came out of Egypt

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_00]: i will make you live in tents again as in the days of your appointed festivals okay so as in

[00:38:23] [SPEAKER_00]: another translation reads as in the days of the solemn feast okay which both of these

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_00]: allude to the feast of tabernacles which commemorates the israelites dwelling in tents in the wilderness

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and that was described in leviticus chapter 23 got it the materials to make the tabernacles

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_00]: are willow trees of the brook palm trees olive trees and myrtle trees okay just so you know

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_00]: sure sounds like you know all those trees you're gonna you're gonna be making tents out of that

[00:38:54] [SPEAKER_00]: shit if you don't get straight okay and they're like whatever yeah so reproach will return upon e from

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_00]: came that's what's gonna happen as we're approaching the end of this chapter got it the previous

[00:39:07] [SPEAKER_00]: passage brought up the impending exile of israel and now hosea makes a connection between the

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_00]: coming exile of israel and jacob's own is exile when he fled from esau to his uncle leban

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_00]: in syria okay yeah jacob was a shepherd who looked after sheep but moses was a shepherd who

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_00]: looked after people he was a prophet who led god's people israel but just as the people of israel

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_00]: rebelled against moses so they have rebelled against all the prophets after him right their

[00:39:40] [SPEAKER_00]: rebellion against gods messengers is really a rebellion against god himself but i again i

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_04]: don't see how you can say that when they don't know right that god is speaking at all no i agree

[00:39:53] [SPEAKER_00]: i agree they have made god angry with them god is big and thereby have made their own

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_00]: punishment certain and as an aggravation of their guilt they are reminded from what humble

[00:40:09] [SPEAKER_04]: beginnings they had been raised i just want to point out that if there was a prophet in town

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_04]: for baal right and but and this person was like hey and saying basically the same things

[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_04]: right that baal is angry because you know you're not you're you're worshiping this other god over

[00:40:25] [SPEAKER_04]: there and and he's gonna punish you but you could say the exact same fucking thing just fill in

[00:40:31] [SPEAKER_04]: the way we don't know if they weren't right and so how are how is anybody supposed to distinguish

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_04]: between those two gods that's just two guys there was multiple gods right right like i don't

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_04]: know how you're supposed to figure out which one's correct and i think that most of the people

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_04]: probably were like i don't really give a fuck guys like which one do you want us to worship today

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_04]: for what what's the reason okay oh we're having a festival today awesome okay cool um what's

[00:40:57] [SPEAKER_04]: what's next week okay all right got it yeah you know i totally agree it doesn't make any

[00:41:02] [SPEAKER_04]: fucking sense right you can't just say this one dude had all the answers and the rest of them

[00:41:07] [SPEAKER_00]: well okay so one might say the same thing about jesus today right like when we ask but what about the

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_00]: people who aren't like english speaking you know countries and they live in like forests somewhere

[00:41:20] [SPEAKER_00]: like the force of africa for example or whatever sure okay and they've never heard of a jesus

[00:41:25] [SPEAKER_00]: like what about them so they're just doomed to hell right because they didn't take jesus as their

[00:41:30] [SPEAKER_00]: savior right and then i swear on all that is not holy that i have heard people actually answer this with

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_00]: a straight face that jesus visits them and lets them know yeah and i'm like that too so hold on

[00:41:46] [SPEAKER_00]: if you had never fucking told me about it in the first place with your goddamn missionaries

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_00]: right i would be fine yeah like i wouldn't have to make the choice right but because a missionary

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_00]: came and visited me now you're fucked now i'm fucked right thanks missionary yeah last generation

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_04]: they were fine but since you showed up this this decade yeah they're fucked i i didn't even know

[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_00]: about hell right like now there's a hell yeah thanks thanks for coming man right right ruin my day

[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_00]: right so i imagine that that's what the answer would be from religious people well they would

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_00]: just know a different way when when you ask which one were they supposed to believe but we're not

[00:42:26] [SPEAKER_04]: even talking about prophets spreading the word now right we're just talking about people right yeah

[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_00]: but that's what i'm saying though the answer the answer to your the question is how did they know

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_00]: which person to believe right and so the answer to that question is because god would have told them

[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_00]: it's circular logic as god is telling them with the prophet yeah but which one should they

[00:42:49] [SPEAKER_00]: believe well they should know because the prophet is telling them but how do they know which profit

[00:42:53] [SPEAKER_00]: well they should know which one the prophet is right but how they just do right is the answer yeah

[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_00]: like what do you even hear yourself no it makes absolutely no sense no it doesn't the divine

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_00]: judgments about to fall upon israel are declared to be the result of great provocation like i said

[00:43:12] [SPEAKER_00]: god big man yeah yeah so verse 12 reads jakefled to the country of aram israel served to get a

[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_00]: wife and to pay for her he tended sheep okay that is like a really weird verse but um he's talking about

[00:43:29] [SPEAKER_00]: back when you know jakefled to this other country and then he served lay ban yeah um to get first one

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_00]: wife and then another seven years for the other wife that he had actually wanted in the first god

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_00]: right right so pedan means field in arabic and aram is syria so remember um when uh we first read

[00:43:53] [SPEAKER_00]: through that part of the bible and i was always saying pedan aram is banana ramah yeah yeah so

[00:43:59] [SPEAKER_00]: what they're basically saying really is the syrian fields or the fields of syria okay all right so

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_00]: jakefled to syria got it okay yeah and that's the place where jakef ran away from his brother

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_00]: esau back in genesis sure okay he served for a wife and for a wife he kept sheep refers to the period

[00:44:20] [SPEAKER_00]: which jakef spent as a shepherd working for lay ban his uncle to marry his two wives lia and rachel

[00:44:26] [SPEAKER_00]: lay bans daughters i like how they just skip over the part lay ban was a motherfucker who tricked him

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_00]: and made him uh marry his ugly daughter and then kindly allowed him to work another seven years for

[00:44:38] [SPEAKER_00]: the pretty one that he had wanted right like lay bans a son of a bitch let's just say it yeah you know

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_00]: he served for seven years for each wife and again that's from genesis so verse 13 reads the lord used

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_00]: a prophet to bring israel up from egypt by a prophet he cared for him and we were like i don't

[00:44:57] [SPEAKER_00]: that's too many prophets yeah that's words and comparisons and i don't yeah okay so um

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_00]: there's another translation that reads and by a prophet the lord brought israel out of egypt

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_00]: and by a prophet was he preserved rather than he cared for him okay by a prophet denotes moses

[00:45:18] [SPEAKER_00]: okay the lord used the prophet to bring israel up from egypt and by a prophet the lord brought

[00:45:24] [SPEAKER_00]: israel out of egypt though both of those regardless of the translation are talking about moses okay yeah

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_00]: so the second half of that is either by a prophet he cared for him or by a prophet was he preserved

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and whether it's cared for him or preserved um we're that's making an allusion to the same

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_00]: hebrew word meaning kept sheep thus israel was kept by god as his flock even as jacob kept sheep

[00:45:51] [SPEAKER_00]: got it okay so that's what that meant all right okay so that was chapter 12 do you feel more enlightened

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_04]: now do you feel a little bit better i mean i i've had some that i actually have had some you know

[00:46:00] [SPEAKER_04]: revelations yeah yeah so i i'm happy for what we've learned so far it's still there's there's a

[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_04]: lot about the bible and how god interacts with his people or whatever the fuck he does that makes

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_04]: it's never gonna make sense because it just doesn't make sense for me there's too many layers

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_00]: of metaphor on top of actual people doing things on top of history on top of but now we're making

[00:46:25] [SPEAKER_00]: more metaphors right there's too many layers for me to follow and that pisses me off because i'm not

[00:46:30] [SPEAKER_00]: a stupid person but i'm not like an overly bright one either and i just feel like god

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_04]: should really be trying harder with me you know i i think that yeah well the god likes to punish

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_04]: in generalizations and praise in generalizations right he praises swaths of people right and he

[00:46:48] [SPEAKER_04]: punishes swaths of people yeah and neither one of those methods is correct or good no you know no

[00:46:55] [SPEAKER_04]: and and it's lazy it's lazy and and i don't feel like it's a uh a good representation of a god

[00:47:03] [SPEAKER_04]: who supposedly knows everyone's heart you know like that that does not track right with me

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_04]: and in regard to how a god that knows everything should operate i've compared it before to the teacher

[00:47:16] [SPEAKER_00]: who walks into a room a classroom and two kids are making all the noise you know who it is everybody

[00:47:22] [SPEAKER_00]: knows who it is but the teacher makes the whole class write sentences right because it's just easier

[00:47:27] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah than calling out the two bad ones because you already called them out too many times right

[00:47:32] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah like just everybody take out your pencils class was loud write sentences and then the one

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_00]: you know usually me that's like but i wasn't talking you see me with my buddy get extra in trouble yeah

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_00]: right yeah like i swore when i was a child that if i ever had children that if my kids came to me

[00:47:52] [SPEAKER_00]: and said i was punished for other people's bad behavior that i would march into the school

[00:47:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and be like absolutely fucking not like another example is a kid is late to school now we're

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_00]: elementary school right or even middle school before age 16 when they're reliant on parents

[00:48:11] [SPEAKER_00]: or buses or friends they are not able to drive themselves right they're reliant on somebody

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_00]: else to get to school but if they're late they get detention what the ever loving fuck is that

[00:48:25] [SPEAKER_00]: right why is the child in trouble why are not you finding the parent right right like

[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_00]: you want my kid at school don't punish my kid here come to this place where you get in trouble

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_00]: for somebody else's crimes all the fucking time like what is more christian than that

[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_04]: and they say there's not christian education in school exactly yeah all right moving on to chapter

[00:48:50] [SPEAKER_00]: 13 the destruction of israel okay yeah yeah here we go again no i just like here we go again

[00:49:01] [SPEAKER_00]: right destroy fucking israel yeah again scholars suggest that chapters 13 and 14 the final two

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_00]: chapters of the book of hosea yeah probably belong to the troubled times that followed because

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_00]: murder by hosheya pika was the 18th and penultimate meaning second to last king of israel got it

[00:49:23] [SPEAKER_00]: succeeded him in or around 732 bce okay deuteronomistic history records the event

[00:49:30] [SPEAKER_00]: in second king's chapter 15 okay yeah so that's when this whole thing takes place okay the subject

[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_00]: of this chapter and the following one so 13 and 14 is the idolatry of the kingdom of israel

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_00]: referred to as ephra or samaria just that one time in verse 16 right not withstanding god's

[00:49:50] [SPEAKER_00]: past benefits destined to be the country's ruined ruin okay all right so um verses one through eight

[00:49:58] [SPEAKER_00]: are about two pictures of judgment this chapter begins with observing that the fear of god leads

[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_00]: to prosperity but sin leads to ruin so you're supposed never not be afraid always fear god and

[00:50:11] [SPEAKER_00]: then you'll be fine yeah you'll get lots of prizes if you're just always walking around looking over

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_04]: your shoulder and trembling well you know i i i do want to say that fear sells yeah you know

[00:50:21] [SPEAKER_04]: the fear is a is a very good motivator for people that's how the nr is nr a stays afloat

[00:50:28] [SPEAKER_04]: fear the nr a yeah fear they're like pushing that oh the national sorry i was thinking like

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_04]: cia i wasn't taking national rifle association yeah the nr a they're like you need a gun for

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_00]: self protection because everybody is two seconds from raping you right it's how fox makes

[00:50:44] [SPEAKER_04]: the yeah how they now they get viewers because they they constantly keep their viewers in fear

[00:50:49] [SPEAKER_00]: of everything that's happening that's what i'm saying yep so this chapter begins with oh yeah

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_00]: god leads to prosperity and sin leads to ruin okay a truth most visibly exemplified in the sin

[00:51:02] [SPEAKER_00]: and punishment of ephra as an aggravation of their guilt god reminds them of his former favors

[00:51:11] [SPEAKER_00]: which they had shamefully abused and which now expose them to dreadful punishments okay yeah

[00:51:18] [SPEAKER_00]: so ifram prided itself that it was the leading tribe in israel and that the other tribes did as

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_00]: ifram told them so there was like one verse that was like when they spoke the people trembled

[00:51:30] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah it sounded like they were talking about god like right but they're not they're referring

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_00]: to ifram yeah they're talking about ifram and basically any time the king in ifram told

[00:51:40] [SPEAKER_00]: his subjects to do a thing they jumped they were more afraid of their human leader than of god right

[00:51:46] [SPEAKER_00]: ifram must therefore bear the responsibility for the development of all worship in israel

[00:51:53] [SPEAKER_00]: as the morning dew quickly vanishes with the rising of the sun so ifram and all the other

[00:51:59] [SPEAKER_00]: tribes with it will soon disappear which is funny because later and we're going to talk about that

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_00]: that was our big question what is hold on god later is like the dew is great and we're like no

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_00]: but here you in the first beginning of the chapter you said it's bad yeah we'll get into that okay

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_00]: right all right so god saved the israelites from slavery he says sure right looked after them in

[00:52:21] [SPEAKER_00]: the wilderness threw birds at them and gave them a land actually through snakes at them too yeah

[00:52:27] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah remember that yeah yeah and gave them a land that was already filled with people that they

[00:52:31] [SPEAKER_00]: failed to subdue yeah but in their prosperity they forgot them so god will now destroy them

[00:52:38] [SPEAKER_00]: there will be no escape god tempers these awful threats with gracious promises and on their repentance

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_00]: promises to save them when no other could protect them he's like stop trusting your neighbors i got

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_00]: you right alas instead of repenting ifram is full of sin and iniquity those fuckers not

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_00]: withstanding this god promises to put forth his almighty power on behalf of his people

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and as it were raise them from the dead like we were like well are you talking about zombies hold on

[00:53:12] [SPEAKER_00]: what although in the meantime they must be visited with great national calamities before he gets around

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_00]: to like saving them now what he was talking about was she'll and the fear of like burning in an

[00:53:27] [SPEAKER_00]: afterlife so he wasn't like raising them from the dead like from their grave he was from

[00:53:33] [SPEAKER_00]: making sure they didn't go to hell the jewish hell yeah it's the beginning of a heavenly afterlife

[00:53:41] [SPEAKER_00]: got it okay is what he he's not quite saying you're gonna go to the heaven he's but he is saying

[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_00]: but you're not going to go to hell though got it okay so we will we will save you from that

[00:53:52] [SPEAKER_00]: but you have to you know accept god and and do good and stop being a cheater or whatever okay

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_00]: israel's original desire for a king was a rejection of god remember when they were like

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_00]: we want a king we need a leader the people will now find that the king will not give them the

[00:54:10] [SPEAKER_00]: security they hoped for and that's because the kings were all greedy greedy fucks and did bad right

[00:54:15] [SPEAKER_00]: generally speaking yeah the monarchy as well as the nation is doomed so it's not just the

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_00]: commoners it's all the way up to the king okay they're all gonna they're all gonna right

[00:54:28] [SPEAKER_00]: israel has been piling up sin for years god's just been letting them pile up them

[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_00]: sin after sin after sin he's like i'm gonna give you a rope sure there's the rope hang yourself right

[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_00]: and the punishment for that sin is now to fall upon it in the form of national destruction

[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_00]: there is hope of salvation and new life if the nation responds to god but it stubbornly

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_00]: refuses to of course they do yeah it is like an unborn child do you remember me going off

[00:54:56] [SPEAKER_00]: about this yep it is like an unborn child which when the time for birth has come refuses to come out

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_00]: of its mother's womb and so dies right yeah i was like you cannot no you need to just never

[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_00]: talk about birth and labor and the pains of labor and pregnancy and menstruation you just need

[00:55:18] [SPEAKER_00]: to never talk about a woman's body and whatever happens to it right you dumb men just just

[00:55:23] [SPEAKER_00]: stop right there can be no more mercy now okay death is certain it's like fuck all y'all you

[00:55:30] [SPEAKER_00]: you didn't repent therefore you're all gonna die right as a hot wind from the desert can destroy

[00:55:36] [SPEAKER_00]: the countryside so the assyrian army will destroy israel it will show no mercy sweep the leg

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_00]: karate kid bless yes reference yes i was wondering if you actually knew that one

[00:55:52] [SPEAKER_00]: i did i did sweep the leg yeah that's what happened at the end of karate kid it is yeah yeah all right

[00:55:58] [SPEAKER_00]: final chapter of hosea are you ready for this chapter 14 yep okay real wisdom turns israel back

[00:56:06] [SPEAKER_00]: to the lord and israel is entreated to return okay all right this chapter concludes the prophecies

[00:56:13] [SPEAKER_00]: attributed to the prophet hosea with an exhortation to repentance a promise of god's blessing

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_00]: and a concluding verse resembling the wisdom tradition remember we talked about books that were like

[00:56:27] [SPEAKER_00]: part of uh the wisdom tradition these were just like kind of like proverbs okay you know

[00:56:33] [SPEAKER_00]: writings it was a little bit yeah yeah um they're they're not a real actual story per se they're

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_00]: just like wise um allegories or wise suggestions kind of things right okay so here's how the chapter

[00:56:49] [SPEAKER_00]: opens israel's repentance and god's response by the terrible denunciation of vengeance which concludes

[00:56:56] [SPEAKER_00]: the proceeding chapter the prophet hosea is led to exhort israel to repentance he's like please

[00:57:02] [SPEAKER_00]: please stop being bad boys right furnishing them with a beautiful form of prayer very suitable

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_00]: to the occasion so i kind of forgot about this until i was rereading it um he does give them like

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_00]: this is the prayer you have like is a specific this is the prayer that you will read this is what you

[00:57:20] [SPEAKER_00]: say and that is how you repent okay okay and it's very similar to the lord's prayer you know our

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_00]: father who art in heaven hell would be thy name that thing yeah like do you know the rest of it

[00:57:31] [SPEAKER_04]: we've we've said it before on the air so but yes i know the rest of it okay all right upon

[00:57:36] [SPEAKER_00]: which god ever ready to pardon the penitent is introduced making large promises of blessings

[00:57:43] [SPEAKER_00]: in allusion to those copious dues which refresh the green herbs and which frequently denote not

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_00]: only temporal salvation but also the rich and refreshing comforts of the gospel the gospel

[00:57:58] [SPEAKER_00]: you know that's the new testament this is from this is this is an apology yes saying this

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_00]: that's the word i was looking for i couldn't think of the word thank you yeah okay yeah that's the

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_00]: apologist is like this is speaking of you know christ to come because that's what they had in mind

[00:58:15] [SPEAKER_00]: when they wrote that way back when yeah sure okay so god loves israel in spite of its sin and

[00:58:22] [SPEAKER_00]: rebellion he's like i love you mother fuckers you gross disgusting worms you mountain right

[00:58:28] [SPEAKER_00]: you worm and he still desires the people's repentance rather than their destruction which

[00:58:34] [SPEAKER_00]: he shows all the time by always destroying them he even gives them the words of confession to use

[00:58:40] [SPEAKER_00]: in asking his his forgiveness so he's like to see these magic words it's like a spell and then

[00:58:47] [SPEAKER_00]: everything i don't feel like that's very heartfelt though no just memorize this and just say it

[00:58:52] [SPEAKER_00]: okay just say it right okay in this prayer they acknowledge their sin i'm such a piece of

[00:58:57] [SPEAKER_00]: shit and promise that they will no longer look to foreign nations for help i promise not to call

[00:59:03] [SPEAKER_00]: assyria and egypt for help anymore and i'm still a piece of shit and their pieces of shit too we're

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_00]: all pieces of shit but i promise no more assyria and no more egypt even though they're probably

[00:59:15] [SPEAKER_00]: going to kill me right because that's what they do and we're just this little nation in between

[00:59:20] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah but okay okay god i'm gonna trust you because that's what you want me to do of course

[00:59:25] [SPEAKER_00]: i don't speak for the rest of my neighbors or the king or whatever i'm just a little person in

[00:59:30] [SPEAKER_00]: my fucking house but right but okay god i'm giving it to you yeah okay they will not worship man made

[00:59:37] [SPEAKER_00]: gods okay i got rid of all my fucking ashera poles and my my alters and my pagan who's ease and

[00:59:43] [SPEAKER_00]: what's it's but we'll trust entirely and god and his mercy because a prophet told us too

[00:59:48] [SPEAKER_04]: you know i chose man made gods yeah but the god that that guy down the street told me about

[00:59:54] [SPEAKER_00]: i chose that one that's the one yes that's the one i chose he's not man made no that guy's totally

[00:59:59] [SPEAKER_04]: with god perfect and beautiful he's gotta be because listen to me he's speaking for god he has the

[01:00:04] [SPEAKER_04]: biggest dick i mean he's gotta be he's gotta be godly his shirt is the shiniest probably his teeth

[01:00:09] [SPEAKER_00]: are the whitest maybe um he didn't stink any worse than the others probably his i could really

[01:00:16] [SPEAKER_00]: read his sandwich board sign yeah yeah he had a good that's what the bell he rang it was a good

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_00]: bell had a nice tone to it yeah i fucked him in the back room and he's the first guy ever orgasmed

[01:00:28] [SPEAKER_00]: with that's why i picked okay okay all right so yeah i'm gonna believe him and i got rid of all my

[01:00:35] [SPEAKER_00]: shit i said i sucked and i promised never to call israel or egypt for help ever again

[01:00:40] [SPEAKER_00]: i still i still died right i don't understand oh that's right because just because i do these

[01:00:47] [SPEAKER_00]: things doesn't mean i'll be rewarded no i'm supposed to just do it and whether i get rewarded or not

[01:00:54] [SPEAKER_00]: is beside the point right because he'll rise you up from chill let me get let me just get this straight

[01:00:59] [SPEAKER_04]: either way i'm gonna die yeah but but one way hypothetically according to god's sort of

[01:01:07] [SPEAKER_00]: kind of maybe you might burn for eternity right possibly but since i don't know about that

[01:01:14] [SPEAKER_00]: i don't know that for sure you know what i think i am gonna call egypt anis area for help and i am

[01:01:21] [SPEAKER_00]: gonna get my ashara polls back out because they really haven't defined heaven and hell yet right

[01:01:26] [SPEAKER_04]: so you know there's not there's not a lot of assurances of like what's going to happen whether

[01:01:30] [SPEAKER_04]: and if he's gonna kill people regardless based on what the the the you know group of people

[01:01:36] [SPEAKER_04]: that you're in is doing it doesn't really matter what you do anyway right there's not

[01:01:40] [SPEAKER_04]: really an incentive for the individual to right appease god yeah this is not like a every voice

[01:01:45] [SPEAKER_00]: counts thing this is not like vote and every vote counts this is the king tells you to jump you jump

[01:01:51] [SPEAKER_00]: and if you jump the wrong way apparently god kills you right if your king doesn't your god does

[01:01:56] [SPEAKER_00]: right yeah so you know i'm just i'm a peon i'm gonna go along to get along okay yeah that's

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_00]: what i'm doing i'm just trying to grow my crop here or no i'm a girl i'm just trying to lay down

[01:02:08] [SPEAKER_00]: and not piss my husband off and hope he doesn't sell me and that he likes my pussy long enough to

[01:02:13] [SPEAKER_00]: let me not die in pain right you know that's what i as a woman am doing okay all right yeah

[01:02:19] [SPEAKER_00]: so anyway god promises to restore a repentant israel bullshit verse five and six read i will be

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_00]: like the dude to israel he will blossom like a lily like a cedar of lebanon he will send down

[01:02:34] [SPEAKER_00]: his roots his young shoots will grow his splendor will be like an olive tree his fragrance like a

[01:02:40] [SPEAKER_04]: cedar of lebanon and very much pissed me off because he said that the israelites were bad for being

[01:02:46] [SPEAKER_00]: like do just one chapter ago yeah because the dew is something that comes and goes yeah right it's not

[01:02:53] [SPEAKER_00]: here to stay right and so it's bad yeah okay turns out that's like a comparison metaphor

[01:02:59] [SPEAKER_00]: okay okay so can consider the nature of the climate and the necessity of dew in such hot

[01:03:05] [SPEAKER_00]: temperatures to preserve life sure then also think about the beauty of the flowers the aroma of the

[01:03:10] [SPEAKER_00]: lebanon cedar cedars like remember yeah lebanon was known for those trees yeah the beauty of the

[01:03:16] [SPEAKER_00]: olive tree groves the comfortable coolness of the shade in those trees right sure hold on hold on

[01:03:21] [SPEAKER_00]: when the people are as do it is a negative comparison because it's fleeting but when god is

[01:03:28] [SPEAKER_00]: as do it's the most positive comparison that makes literally no sense you're supposed to know the

[01:03:35] [SPEAKER_00]: difference that literally makes no people bad therefore people do bad god good therefore god

[01:03:42] [SPEAKER_04]: do bad good god do good okay okay what it bullshit it's bullshit is what it is it it's a you you used

[01:03:50] [SPEAKER_04]: something two different ways and expect this to take two different meanings from it well they may

[01:03:55] [SPEAKER_00]: have understood it better than we do back in the day i don't know i i don't know i do not know

[01:04:03] [SPEAKER_00]: if they repent moving on from the doodoo yeah okay god and his love will give them a

[01:04:09] [SPEAKER_00]: spirit of faithfulness to replace their present unfaithfulness he will bless them with refreshment

[01:04:15] [SPEAKER_00]: like do beauty and strength and help them develop fruitful lives for him that's that's great fruitful

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_00]: lives for him this good stuff man not fruitful lives fruitful lives for him sure yeah all right

[01:04:28] [SPEAKER_00]: moving along we're getting toward the end now okay yep their reformation from idolatry is foretold

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_00]: and their subsequent prosperity under the emblem of a green flourishing fir tree but these promises

[01:04:41] [SPEAKER_00]: are confined only to those who may bring forth the fruits of righteousness and the wicked are declared

[01:04:47] [SPEAKER_00]: to have no share in them bad don't be bad you don't get praises when you're bad right hey yeah

[01:04:53] [SPEAKER_00]: god assures his people that he will give them blessings far greater than those they looked for

[01:04:57] [SPEAKER_00]: but never received from their worship of baal and their pursuit of prosperity i'm going to give

[01:05:04] [SPEAKER_00]: secret prizes if you choose door number one don't choose door number two right it's probably gross

[01:05:11] [SPEAKER_00]: back there because sure because i don't like them yeah okay right this epilogue sums up the whole

[01:05:18] [SPEAKER_00]: previous chat uh teaching of the whole book okay most scholars agree though that it is a later

[01:05:24] [SPEAKER_00]: edition in the style of the wisdom literature as here hosea uses the character the Hebrew

[01:05:31] [SPEAKER_00]: character that was a rare term in his day for the word righteous okay so that was misplaced in the book

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_04]: i mean it's out it's it's out of context because they wanted to sum up something some some messages

[01:05:45] [SPEAKER_00]: that they wanted to they were like we need this to sound more christy and more deuteronomy sure and

[01:05:52] [SPEAKER_00]: mix those together put it through ai and see what chats and this is what we got right okay the

[01:05:58] [SPEAKER_00]: prophet closes his book with a reminder to his readers that if they heed his message they will

[01:06:03] [SPEAKER_00]: find blessing but if they ignore it they will meet disaster we do know from history that the people

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_00]: did not respond to god's appeal yeah the nation is real the northern kingdom was conquered by asyria

[01:06:19] [SPEAKER_00]: in 722 bce its cities destroyed and its people taken into foreign captivity as described in second

[01:06:27] [SPEAKER_00]: kings chapter 17 the end yep that's what happened sure as fuck is yeah yep and that was hosea there

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_00]: wasn't much profitee about that no whole book i didn't understand why they kept calling the prophet

[01:06:43] [SPEAKER_00]: says this and he prophesizes that it's like anybody can stand back and say if you don't do good bad

[01:06:51] [SPEAKER_00]: things will happen right if you do good good things will happen and that is so fucking generic that

[01:06:56] [SPEAKER_00]: every bad thing now is you know prescribed to that and every good thing too the one thing he's

[01:07:02] [SPEAKER_04]: prophesizing is the assyrian is coming in and destroying the north right but he mentions it more

[01:07:07] [SPEAKER_04]: than once which means that they knew right yeah it was already in progress right like even if it

[01:07:13] [SPEAKER_04]: hadn't fully happened when he had written those things it was something that was bound to happen

[01:07:20] [SPEAKER_04]: based on events yeah because we're talking he's hosea is talking he's talking politics man yeah

[01:07:26] [SPEAKER_00]: as you're saying again yeah politics it's always politics yep he was part of leadership clearly

[01:07:31] [SPEAKER_00]: because he knew what was happening with the other nations in the world and who they had been asking

[01:07:38] [SPEAKER_00]: for help and where they were shipping the oil where they got the trees from like he knew right

[01:07:45] [SPEAKER_00]: everything that their government was doing yeah not because he was a prophet

[01:07:49] [SPEAKER_00]: because he worked in a government office i'm just gonna call profits basically politicians

[01:07:53] [SPEAKER_04]: yeah because that's what they were yeah old school politicians yeah with sandwich boards and bells

[01:07:59] [SPEAKER_04]: sure you know well that's how you influence people right you say my god is going to make

[01:08:03] [SPEAKER_04]: that's how you get them to come to your side you you pick your god that's going to

[01:08:08] [SPEAKER_04]: cause the most fear and you you make people fear that god yeah so they'd be like oh we better

[01:08:15] [SPEAKER_04]: fear that god yeah and do those things right yep it's a way to keep people in line that's all god is

[01:08:23] [SPEAKER_00]: anyway you're so annoyed yeah well i mean it is the bible right yeah so next up is going to be our

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_00]: uh wrap up book wrap up of hosea which shouldn't be too long because it well no i got my weekly

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_00]: wrap up i gotta put out first which will be coming out and then and then the special episodes that we

[01:08:45] [SPEAKER_00]: do when we finish a book which includes the entire book entire book wrap up and the you're always wrong

[01:08:52] [SPEAKER_00]: contradiction yes that's the one right yeah and then we'll have our uh special patreon not

[01:09:00] [SPEAKER_00]: patreon sometimes patreon sometimes public episode still haven't decided what subject we're doing

[01:09:07] [SPEAKER_00]: and we'll get back to you on that but that will be available live on wednesday on our discord at 10

[01:09:16] [SPEAKER_00]: p.m eastern and this one will be public and it will be public yes so if you miss it you can still

[01:09:23] [SPEAKER_00]: catch it in our stream yeah and that is fine yeah okay and then after that um i think we will start

[01:09:30] [SPEAKER_04]: the next book which i what did i say it was uh uh joe joe joe um hosea no not hosea what did we see

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_00]: it was like jeff jeff joel joel jeff yeah and jeff i was i was thinking juda and i was like that's

[01:09:50] [SPEAKER_04]: wrong but it does start with a j right yeah jeff it's the book of jeff it's the book of jeff

[01:09:55] [SPEAKER_00]: we're reading the book of jeff yep we will start or joel nope jeff all right guys that was our q and a

[01:10:01] [SPEAKER_04]: for today thanks for joining us and uh we'll have the weekly wrap up here shortly and back with

[01:10:07] [SPEAKER_04]: things we just mentioned so we'll see you guys then bye