Hosea Chapters 6 - 10 Q&A: Bible Study by Atheists

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Sacrilegious Discourse.

[00:00:01] [SPEAKER_02]: For this is what the Sovereign Lord says!

[00:00:04] [SPEAKER_00]: Why do you need prophets to tell people who you are and what you want?

[00:00:07] [SPEAKER_02]: If you can justify everything that the God of the Bible has done,

[00:00:11] [SPEAKER_02]: then you can justify any of your behavior.

[00:00:14] [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of this mentality is trickling into

[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_01]: what is now mainstream right wing Christianity.

[00:00:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I am capable of empathy greater than this God of the Bible.

[00:00:26] [SPEAKER_00]: This is a Bible that they tell kids this is the good Lord,

[00:00:31] [SPEAKER_00]: this is the good book.

[00:00:32] [SPEAKER_00]: He is fantasizing about murder, mass murder.

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[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Wednesday morning.

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[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I know we've been doing that a lot.

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[00:01:10] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know what to say other than wife and I have been discussing some options

[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_01]: as to what we are going to do going forward.

[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Rather than keep being behind, let's just go ahead and plan for it.

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[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But in the meantime, we're gonna kind of slow roll this week to end it

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[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_01]: And in that vein, we are ready today to do the Q&A

[00:02:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and you got some good questions and answers and things to go over.

[00:02:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're going to be covering chapters Hosea,

[00:02:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Hosehead, chapters 6 through 10.

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's do this.

[00:02:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Okie dokie.

[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so we are covering Hosehead, chapters 6 through 11.

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: 10.

[00:02:46] [SPEAKER_02]: 10.

[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I said.

[00:02:49] [SPEAKER_02]: 6 through 10.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:02:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Like literally just said that.

[00:02:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:02:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know where the 11 came from.

[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Right, right.

[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to go through each chapter and say a little something, something about it.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Sounds good.

[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Let's do this.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So let's start with chapter 6.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Which was basically about the insincerity of Israel's repentance.

[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_02]: If you'll recall, it was basically like they are paying lip service to God,

[00:03:15] [SPEAKER_02]: the Israelites are.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_02]: And they may come to him to God but it's like half-ass.

[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Which seemed like pretty much every chapter we read.

[00:03:24] [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, ok.

[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_02]: This chapter contains prophecies including an exhortation to repentance

[00:03:31] [SPEAKER_02]: and a complaint against Israel and Judah for persisting in their wickedness still.

[00:03:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So the first part of that chapter continues the passage that started in the previous chapter

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_02]: or that, yeah, that started in the previous chapter.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:03:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Like mid-sentence event.

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this book has been bad for that.

[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_01]: Super weird.

[00:03:54] [SPEAKER_02]: And that whole thing, that verse that was basically cut in half, concerns the time of the Syrian

[00:04:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Ephraimite War.

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_02]: So the Syrians and the Ephraim.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Ok.

[00:04:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was about 735 to 733 BCE.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it the Syrians or the Syrians?

[00:04:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Syrians.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Ok.

[00:04:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's talking about the war and its aftermath.

[00:04:20] [SPEAKER_02]: So basically we're starting at 735 and going through about 731 BCE.

[00:04:27] [SPEAKER_02]: So I went ahead and put the last verse of chapter 5 since again we're starting mid-sentence.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:04:37] [SPEAKER_02]: And we're supposed to be covering chapter 6 here.

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So the final verse, well actually I started with one verse back even because it captured

[00:04:51] [SPEAKER_02]: the idea so anyway.

[00:04:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Chapter 5 verses 8 and 9.

[00:04:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Sounds the trumpet in Gbiah.

[00:04:58] [SPEAKER_02]: The horn in Rama.

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Raise the battle cry in Beth Avon.

[00:05:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Lead on Benjamin.

[00:05:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Ephraim will be laid waste on the day of Reckoning.

[00:05:09] [SPEAKER_02]: Ok?

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So whereas in chapter 5, Hosea states divine judgment on both Judah and Israel in their

[00:05:17] [SPEAKER_02]: strife.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:05:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Like they're on and off again wars.

[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Such that God will send sickness into death.

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Unto death.

[00:05:25] [SPEAKER_02]: Sickness unto death.

[00:05:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.

[00:05:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's a phrase that we use today.

[00:05:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I am sick unto death of this.

[00:05:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't know if you've heard that.

[00:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: I think we've shortened it to sick of death.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Sick to death of this.

[00:05:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Sick to death yes but I have heard people say I am sick unto death of this.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:05:40] [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that common is the sick to death right?

[00:05:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Like that would be it.

[00:05:44] [SPEAKER_01]: That's what it turned into.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a common common.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:05:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:05:48] [SPEAKER_02]: So anyway in verses 1 through 3 of chapter 6, God proclaims the hope of revival if

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_02]: the people are willing to accept his exhortation to repentance which we know they do not

[00:06:02] [SPEAKER_02]: ever.

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_02]: So verse 1 says come let us return to the Lord.

[00:06:08] [SPEAKER_02]: He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us.

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_02]: He has injured us but he will bind up our wounds.

[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And then verse 2 says after two days he will revive us and on the third day he will restore

[00:06:20] [SPEAKER_02]: us that we may live in his presence.

[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_01]: We talked at the time how this sounded very Jesusy.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_02]: It does.

[00:06:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:06:27] [SPEAKER_02]: And that's because it was borrowed from or.

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_01]: You mean the New Testament borrowed from this?

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say this was written too old to be borrowed from the New Testament.

[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.

[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_02]: The New Testament in trying to backfill prophecies they were like ooh that's a good end.

[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's put some Jesus in that.

[00:06:48] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:06:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So that was acknowledged in some notes.

[00:06:52] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:06:53] [SPEAKER_02]: And then verse 3 let us acknowledge the Lord.

[00:06:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Let us press on to acknowledge him as surely as the sun rises he will appear.

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: And that too, even though it's the sun as in the sun.

[00:07:05] [SPEAKER_02]: S-O-N versus S-U-N.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.

[00:07:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the sun in the sky versus the male child.

[00:07:12] [SPEAKER_01]: In our terminology today.

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:07:15] [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know that was relevant in the original language or anything like that.

[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: But it's interesting because of like it's similar to the same verbiage you'll see

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: on church signs now.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_01]: You know?

[00:07:25] [SPEAKER_01]: Like they equate sun to sun.

[00:07:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Sun shines and the Lord reigns is the one that I, it comes to mind.

[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_02]: There's a church on some road that I used to pass just every single time I would drive

[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_02]: over to my best friend's house.

[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_02]: And every day it said that out front.

[00:07:44] [SPEAKER_02]: They never changed the sign.

[00:07:49] [SPEAKER_02]: So that reminds me in that movie, I want to say it was called Zeitgeist or something.

[00:07:56] [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_02]: Which, you know, it's a questionable.

[00:08:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Very questionable conspiracy theory, all kinds of stuff.

[00:08:04] [SPEAKER_02]: But one of our...

[00:08:05] [SPEAKER_01]: At the time it was fun-ish.

[00:08:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Like now it's like, oh.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Because all of that stuff kind of led straight into Q and non-territorial.

[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it was interesting like there was the same ideas.

[00:08:19] [SPEAKER_01]: Like it had ideas about, there were conspiracy theories about like money and gods and then

[00:08:27] [SPEAKER_01]: like 9-11.

[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:08:29] [SPEAKER_01]: It was just like all kinds of...

[00:08:30] [SPEAKER_01]: It was all over the place.

[00:08:31] [SPEAKER_02]: It was all over the place.

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_02]: And I would say that the first two thirds of the movie were actually really interesting,

[00:08:38] [SPEAKER_02]: fascinating, just the way Christian Christianity borrowed from prior religions and practices

[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: and stuff.

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_01]: They really lost this when it got to 9-11.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah.

[00:08:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:08:48] [SPEAKER_02]: The last third of it was like, okay I'm out.

[00:08:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:08:52] [SPEAKER_02]: But the part that specifically reminded me of that movie is the comparison of the word

[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_02]: son, S-U-N versus S-O-N.

[00:09:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:09:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Male child versus star in the sky.

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_02]: That was discussed heavily in that movie.

[00:09:10] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember if they discussed the original language though.

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Because that, again, it was a movie that was very conspiracy theory written.

[00:09:18] [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't recall if that was actually a thing or not.

[00:09:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I want to say that probably they did not get into the original language which would render

[00:09:29] [SPEAKER_02]: those not homophones.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:09:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to go with no.

[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:09:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said in today's context it's very...

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting to me in that context.

[00:09:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I totally agree.

[00:09:41] [SPEAKER_02]: That's right.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:09:42] [SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And then it continues, he will come to us like the winter rains, like the spring rains that

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_02]: water the earth.

[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Now that is also in a different translation.

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't say the winter rains or the spring rains.

[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_02]: It says he will come to us like the rain, like the ladder and former rain.

[00:10:05] [SPEAKER_02]: So two things.

[00:10:06] [SPEAKER_02]: First of all, those three verses that I just read.

[00:10:09] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_02]: It has been suggested that it's a penitential prayer that may have been borrowed from an

[00:10:16] [SPEAKER_02]: atonement ritual.

[00:10:18] [SPEAKER_02]: So do you need me to reread those?

[00:10:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Come, let us return to the Lord.

[00:10:22] [SPEAKER_02]: He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us.

[00:10:24] [SPEAKER_02]: He has injured us but he will bind up our wounds.

[00:10:27] [SPEAKER_02]: After two days he will revive us and on the third day he will restore us that

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_02]: we may live in his presence.

[00:10:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Let us acknowledge the Lord.

[00:10:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Let us press on to acknowledge him as surely as the sun rises he will appear.

[00:10:39] [SPEAKER_02]: He will come to us like the winter rains, like the spring rains that water the earth.

[00:10:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:10:44] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a atonement ritual apparently.

[00:10:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Now with the thing that I said was two different interpretations depending on what translation

[00:10:55] [SPEAKER_02]: you're reading.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_02]: The ladder and the former rain.

[00:10:59] [SPEAKER_02]: In Israel the only way crops were watered was by rain of course.

[00:11:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:11:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And the first or the former was in the autumn to prepare the earth for seed and the second

[00:11:11] [SPEAKER_02]: rain or ladder rain which you know like I said the verses like the ladder and former

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_02]: rain.

[00:11:17] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:11:18] [SPEAKER_02]: In spring is when the ladder one is to prepare the land for harvest.

[00:11:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Got it.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:11:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So this section contains some oracles about Israel's political and religious corruption

[00:11:31] [SPEAKER_02]: because Israel failed to live according to Yahweh's demand for steadfast love and knowledge

[00:11:38] [SPEAKER_02]: of him.

[00:11:39] [SPEAKER_01]: I want to say this again and I know I hit on this a lot but the fact that it's even

[00:11:46] [SPEAKER_01]: in the Apologist takes that you're reading and things like that, the fact that they

[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_01]: mentioned politics is part of that.

[00:11:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:11:52] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just very obvious that these things that we talk about in the Bible are definitely

[00:12:02] [SPEAKER_01]: things that are political.

[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_01]: They're not because if we're talking about all the people of Israel there's no way to talk

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_01]: about them all.

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about the political and power structures that are prevalent in that

[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_01]: society at that time because there's nothing else that would really matter.

[00:12:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[00:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: You're not talking about Joe Schmoe next door.

[00:12:20] [SPEAKER_01]: You're talking about the people in charge of your lives and they're the ones that are

[00:12:24] [SPEAKER_01]: responsible for making these ideas and these laws and rules in which people don't like

[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_01]: or don't follow correctly or don't whatever.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:12:34] [SPEAKER_01]: So we're really complaining about the power.

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_01]: We're complaining about who's in charge.

[00:12:39] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's partly what bothers me with regard to how the Bible is worded because

[00:12:49] [SPEAKER_01]: when we're talking about a God who supposedly knows everything, everybody and how it's all

[00:12:55] [SPEAKER_01]: going to work out, right?

[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_01]: I have a problem with him punishing the people down line when we're really talking about the

[00:13:03] [SPEAKER_01]: people that are at the top.

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:13:05] [SPEAKER_01]: It's like in today's society if we were to take the actions of the 1% and then

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_01]: punish everybody else for their actions.

[00:13:12] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It's bullshit.

[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_01]: It is bullshit.

[00:13:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure if God were real we would all be like, what the fuck man?

[00:13:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:13:20] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like this is some crap.

[00:13:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Well, not only that it's lazy.

[00:13:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:13:25] [SPEAKER_02]: It's tantamount to the teacher comes in, one or two kids are making noise rather than

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_02]: A, finding out who it is or B, I know who it is but I don't want to call them out.

[00:13:35] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:13:36] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to take the lazy way and make the whole class write sentences.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:13:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So everybody across the board is punished.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:13:42] [SPEAKER_02]: And I fucking hate that shit.

[00:13:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Like I used to sit out in the hall so much because I would argue, like but I wasn't talking

[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and I sit up front and you see me.

[00:13:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's just it right?

[00:13:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you're a God if you can't punish people individually.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:14:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: You're no God that's worth a damn.

[00:14:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_01]: You're fucking worthless.

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:14:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And therefore pointless and you know, you and I know slash believe whatever that

[00:14:12] [SPEAKER_01]: God is not real.

[00:14:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:14:14] [SPEAKER_01]: And for all intents and purposes, God isn't real.

[00:14:17] [SPEAKER_01]: There is no proof.

[00:14:19] [SPEAKER_01]: There is no even like hint at proof of God.

[00:14:22] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just the Bible.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:14:23] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just people's belief in this entity.

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And happy feelings.

[00:14:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's not forget that.

[00:14:28] [SPEAKER_02]: And coincidences that are framed as miracles.

[00:14:31] [SPEAKER_01]: And toast.

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Don't forget the toast.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:14:34] [SPEAKER_01]: The toast is a big one.

[00:14:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_01]: But it just, it doesn't sit well with me the whole thing.

[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_02]: No, it doesn't mean either.

[00:14:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So going on to verse four, the second half of that verse says your love is like the morning

[00:14:48] [SPEAKER_02]: mist like the early do that disappears.

[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_02]: You remember me going, ha ha ha do do.

[00:14:54] [SPEAKER_02]: God sees that the people's promise to return to him is nothing but words.

[00:14:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Their hearts have not changed.

[00:15:00] [SPEAKER_02]: They have no covenant loyalty towards God.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:15:03] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:15:04] [SPEAKER_02]: And they have no love for him and they have no desire to know him.

[00:15:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And as long as they are without these qualities, all their sacrifices and offerings are useless.

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_02]: So they're just going through the motions given lip service.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:15:15] [SPEAKER_02]: And God is so all knowing as we just discussed how all knowing he is there's me rolling

[00:15:21] [SPEAKER_02]: my eyes.

[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_02]: That's a slash sarcasm.

[00:15:26] [SPEAKER_02]: He knows that, that they're being fake.

[00:15:29] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:15:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how he knows that but not the other stuff.

[00:15:33] [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't know that there is that that's this is the way.

[00:15:36] [SPEAKER_01]: This is more, you know, again, we're talking about people in society and we're talking

[00:15:41] [SPEAKER_01]: about somebody who is judging their society.

[00:15:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So he's saying I don't like my neighbors in the way they're acting.

[00:15:47] [SPEAKER_01]: So this is what I think of them and this is what God's going to do to them.

[00:15:51] [SPEAKER_01]: All this is.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean basically it's the same thing as in colonial England when colonial England

[00:15:59] [SPEAKER_02]: colonial North, what am I trying to say?

[00:16:02] [SPEAKER_02]: New England, colonial New England.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_02]: The Salem witch trial stuff.

[00:16:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It's the same concept like I don't like my neighbor.

[00:16:11] [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like they're being freaky do so I'm going to say they're a witch.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:16:14] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's it's fear.

[00:16:16] [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's you know, it's just it's not you're just being a fearful busy body is

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: what you're doing.

[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Just mind your business.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:16:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, Tim Wall says, you know, mind your business.

[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry about it.

[00:16:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:16:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:16:31] [SPEAKER_02]: So moving on to verse seven, it says as at Adam, they have broken the

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_02]: covenant.

[00:16:36] [SPEAKER_02]: They were unfaithful to me there, but they like Adam have transgressed

[00:16:41] [SPEAKER_02]: the covenant.

[00:16:42] [SPEAKER_02]: So this is making a comparison to early days.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Back in Genesis.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:16:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Because Adam in paradise.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:16:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Transgressed to the commandment and God cast him out of the garden.

[00:16:54] [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.

[00:16:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Israel in possession of the promised land transgressed God's covenant

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_02]: and God has cast them out and sent them into captivity.

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I do find it interesting that he, Hosea in these books has mentioned

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Adam and referred to Israel as he.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:17:11] [SPEAKER_01]: There is a distinction here in this book in my mind with regard

[00:17:16] [SPEAKER_01]: to how it is mentioned versus every other book we've read where

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: everything is female and Eve is the problem.

[00:17:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like that that is that is a distinction to me with

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_01]: regard to.

[00:17:25] [SPEAKER_02]: That is true.

[00:17:26] [SPEAKER_02]: And we pointed out the calling Israel he and him.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:17:31] [SPEAKER_02]: We did call that out, but I hadn't put that together with referring

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_02]: to Adam as the problem and not Eve.

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:17:36] [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's.

[00:17:37] [SPEAKER_02]: That's really interesting.

[00:17:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's a weird place to find him bringing in some equality

[00:17:45] [SPEAKER_02]: stuff because it doesn't really fit.

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: But it might not even be equality, right?

[00:17:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Like this might be Hosea being like, well women don't have

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_01]: any responsibility at all.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:17:55] [SPEAKER_01]: So they couldn't have been responsible.

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_02]: They're so stupid.

[00:17:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You can't blame those stupid cows.

[00:18:00] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they're just couches.

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_02]: They're just tables.

[00:18:03] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's kind of how I would see him.

[00:18:05] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:18:06] [SPEAKER_01]: I can't be there to know Hosea's mind, you know, but it was

[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_02]: less.

[00:18:10] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's bring.

[00:18:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's say it was Adam that did it like everybody's always

[00:18:15] [SPEAKER_02]: blaming Eve.

[00:18:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Let's say Adam did it.

[00:18:17] [SPEAKER_02]: It was less that than it was a further insult to women.

[00:18:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And it's also interesting that this book has written a longer

[00:18:25] [SPEAKER_01]: time ago than a lot of the books that we're reading.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_02]: That is true.

[00:18:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:18:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So the idea could have evolved over time.

[00:18:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And since this is one of the older books, maybe the original

[00:18:33] [SPEAKER_01]: idea was that Adam was the sinful one and not Eve.

[00:18:37] [SPEAKER_01]: That is eventually the men were like, fuck you make the

[00:18:39] [SPEAKER_01]: woman the one.

[00:18:40] [SPEAKER_02]: You know the woman are.

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:18:42] [SPEAKER_02]: She's a dumb bitch incapable of doing anything because she's

[00:18:46] [SPEAKER_02]: so disgusting and nasty, but also at the same time

[00:18:49] [SPEAKER_02]: that she's a stupid moron.

[00:18:51] [SPEAKER_02]: She's also a maniacal, conniving, smartest everything and is

[00:18:56] [SPEAKER_02]: able to work against you.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:18:58] [SPEAKER_02]: You know, kind of like Trump thinks of the Democrats.

[00:19:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:19:02] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_01]: We're both.

[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_01]: We're the worst and dumbest and incapable list people on

[00:19:07] [SPEAKER_01]: the planet, but yet we do all the evil things and we

[00:19:10] [SPEAKER_01]: are plotting against the worst.

[00:19:11] [SPEAKER_02]: We're playing 3D chess or whatever.

[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing.

[00:19:14] [SPEAKER_02]: My ex used to accuse me of that, you know, at the

[00:19:16] [SPEAKER_02]: same time that I was like a dumb bitch.

[00:19:20] [SPEAKER_02]: I was also always plotting to ruin his life and just doing

[00:19:25] [SPEAKER_02]: horrible things.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:19:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:19:28] [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, that's pretty good.

[00:19:30] [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I'm both.

[00:19:32] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm every woman.

[00:19:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Isn't that a song?

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_02]: By Whitney Houston.

[00:19:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.

[00:19:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:19:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm every woman.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:19:41] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the one.

[00:19:42] [SPEAKER_01]: That's the one.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So moving on to verse six.

[00:19:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Wait, no, chapter six verse 11.

[00:19:49] [SPEAKER_02]: Chapter six verse 11.

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Also for you, Judah, a harvest is appointed whenever I

[00:19:55] [SPEAKER_02]: would restore the fortunes of my people and then

[00:19:58] [SPEAKER_02]: moving into chapter seven verse one, whenever I

[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_02]: would heal Israel, the sins of Ephraim are exposed

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_02]: and the crimes of Samaria revealed.

[00:20:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So Judah has also transgressed.

[00:20:11] [SPEAKER_02]: So it wasn't just Israel.

[00:20:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:20:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_02]: And their harvest will come.

[00:20:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So to distinguish between the northern tribes and,

[00:20:19] [SPEAKER_01]: we're distinguishing between the northern tribes

[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and Judah at this point.

[00:20:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:20:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Because this is the time of kings somewhat.

[00:20:25] [SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[00:20:26] [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's when we were talking about the

[00:20:29] [SPEAKER_01]: northern kingdoms and Judah is separate.

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:20:33] [SPEAKER_02]: So he's saying, you know, I've been dissing

[00:20:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Israel so much, but let us not forget that Judah,

[00:20:40] [SPEAKER_02]: the southern tribes, they are also fuck faces.

[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So basically, Israel's fucked.

[00:20:47] [SPEAKER_01]: Judah, take heed.

[00:20:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:20:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And they don't.

[00:20:51] Yeah.

[00:20:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Judah is being held to higher standards because

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_02]: they were forewarned.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:20:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Which, fair enough, I guess, whatever.

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Debatable, but okay.

[00:21:00] [SPEAKER_02]: They will be reaped down and sent into captivity.

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_02]: They will reap what they sow.

[00:21:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Those who sow the flesh will reap corruption.

[00:21:08] [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, that's what that was about.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:21:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, moving into chapter seven now.

[00:21:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_02]: The oven, the bread and the dove.

[00:21:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember all that?

[00:21:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Israel's iniquity and the rebellion.

[00:21:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Only a little bit.

[00:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe forget this a little bit.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:21:24] [SPEAKER_01]: We were so all over the place this last couple of weeks

[00:21:27] [SPEAKER_01]: that I don't have a clue.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So this chapter is about Israel being reproved for

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_02]: multiple sins resulting in God's wrath against them

[00:21:36] [SPEAKER_02]: for their hypocrisy.

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Which, I mean, that could very easily have just been

[00:21:39] [SPEAKER_02]: the last chapter that you read.

[00:21:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Right, yeah.

[00:21:41] [SPEAKER_02]: All these chapters ever since we stopped talking,

[00:21:43] [SPEAKER_02]: talking about Gomer.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:21:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Being a whore.

[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:21:47] [SPEAKER_02]: So verse 11, wait, yeah.

[00:21:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Verse 11 says, also for you, Judah,

[00:21:53] [SPEAKER_02]: a harvest is appointed whenever I would restore

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_02]: the fortunes of my people and then continues

[00:21:57] [SPEAKER_02]: into chapter seven, verse one,

[00:22:00] [SPEAKER_02]: whenever I would heal Israel, the sins of Ephraim are

[00:22:03] [SPEAKER_02]: exposed and the crimes of Samaria revealed.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_02]: So God is complaining in that second part of the sentence

[00:22:11] [SPEAKER_02]: that though he had employed every means for reforming

[00:22:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Israel, they still persisted in their iniquity

[00:22:18] [SPEAKER_02]: without fearing the consequences.

[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, I tried to tell him.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_01]: But he didn't.

[00:22:22] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:22:23] [SPEAKER_01]: He told, you know, again.

[00:22:25] [SPEAKER_01]: We've said this multiple times.

[00:22:26] [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same things over and over and over again.

[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_01]: But you're talking to a few select prophets and the rest

[00:22:31] [SPEAKER_01]: of the people that are also important in these people's

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_01]: lives are saying and then they themselves are prophets

[00:22:37] [SPEAKER_01]: according to them.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: They are saying that they are correct and these things

[00:22:40] [SPEAKER_01]: are wrong.

[00:22:41] [SPEAKER_01]: So who is, who are people supposed to believe?

[00:22:45] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, God, if you're not talking to everybody,

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_01]: you can't really blame people for not getting

[00:22:49] [SPEAKER_01]: your fucking message.

[00:22:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of like today there's so many different

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_02]: denominations of Christianity.

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:22:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Who could know?

[00:22:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Could you imagine, for example, let's say that we had,

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_01]: okay, we all are aware of the media landscape that's

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_01]: in the world.

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_01]: Right?

[00:23:02] [SPEAKER_01]: So let's say we had 25 people responsible to disseminate

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_01]: all the information that's coming through on the

[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_01]: news to the rest of us.

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:23:11] [SPEAKER_01]: And we just had to take their word for what was

[00:23:13] [SPEAKER_01]: happening.

[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Those 25 people.

[00:23:15] [SPEAKER_01]: That's bullshit.

[00:23:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

[00:23:17] [SPEAKER_01]: That is fucking bullshit.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's exactly what's happening to the Israelites.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:23:21] [SPEAKER_01]: And they're being punished for it.

[00:23:22] [SPEAKER_01]: They're being told that they are bad and horrible

[00:23:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and that they're going to die.

[00:23:28] [SPEAKER_01]: And to be fair, they're not being told actually.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:23:32] [SPEAKER_01]: It's just happening to them.

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_01]: You know, according to the Bible.

[00:23:35] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:23:36] [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what is bullshit because if you look at

[00:23:39] [SPEAKER_01]: that in the context of what we have to deal with

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_01]: today, it makes no fucking sense.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:23:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Why would anybody, why would any entity that is

[00:23:46] [SPEAKER_01]: supposedly divine and all powerful have this

[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: system in place where you cannot let people get

[00:23:54] [SPEAKER_01]: the correct information directly from the source?

[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_01]: That's dumb.

[00:23:58] [SPEAKER_04]: No, I totally agree.

[00:23:59] [SPEAKER_01]: There is no other avenue.

[00:24:00] [SPEAKER_01]: The avenue is through the prophet.

[00:24:02] [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_01]: They can't even fucking read most of the time.

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[00:24:05] [SPEAKER_01]: And at that time there wasn't even a Bible.

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_01]: So what were they supposed to do?

[00:24:10] [SPEAKER_02]: They were supposed to have known.

[00:24:12] [SPEAKER_01]: No.

[00:24:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck that shit.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_02]: No.

[00:24:14] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so either.

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_01]: It's crap.

[00:24:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So verse three says they delight the king with their

[00:24:18] [SPEAKER_02]: wickedness, the princes with their lies.

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_02]: We were like, what?

[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_02]: This phrase probably refers to one of the

[00:24:25] [SPEAKER_02]: successful assassination plots against the

[00:24:28] [SPEAKER_02]: throne of Israel during the ministry of Hosea.

[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Since there were four kings violently overthrown

[00:24:35] [SPEAKER_02]: during his ministry.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:24:37] [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to know exactly which one he means.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_03]: Got it.

[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_02]: So the Israelites always pleased Jeroboam by

[00:24:44] [SPEAKER_02]: coming readily into his ways and heartily joining

[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_02]: him in his idolatry.

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_02]: And they profess to be perfectly happy in their

[00:24:52] [SPEAKER_02]: change and to be greatly advantaged by their

[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_02]: new gods.

[00:24:57] [SPEAKER_02]: So they were saying that the religion of the

[00:25:00] [SPEAKER_02]: state now was better than that of under

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Jehovah Yahweh.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_04]: Got it.

[00:25:06] [SPEAKER_02]: And thus they made all their rulers glad with

[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_02]: their lies.

[00:25:11] [SPEAKER_04]: Ah, okay.

[00:25:13] [SPEAKER_02]: That's what was happening.

[00:25:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:25:15] [SPEAKER_02]: So verse seven says all of them are hot as an

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_02]: oven.

[00:25:18] [SPEAKER_02]: They devour their rulers, all their kings fall

[00:25:21] [SPEAKER_02]: and none of them calls on me.

[00:25:23] [SPEAKER_02]: The death of Jeroboam II was followed by a

[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_02]: series of plots.

[00:25:29] [SPEAKER_02]: Remember he had four kings killed during

[00:25:33] [SPEAKER_02]: his time.

[00:25:36] [SPEAKER_02]: So Jeroboam was one of them.

[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_02]: Conspir...

[00:25:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm sorry.

[00:25:40] [SPEAKER_02]: The death of Jeroboam was followed by a

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_02]: series of plots, conspiracies and assassinations.

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_02]: A pitiful slaughter among the idolatrous

[00:25:48] [SPEAKER_02]: kings of Israel.

[00:25:50] [SPEAKER_02]: And we read about that in Second Kings.

[00:25:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Four of these kings had fallen during the

[00:25:55] [SPEAKER_02]: time of Hosea, the successful assassin in

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_02]: all of these cases.

[00:25:59] [SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[00:26:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Who would then become the king was pleased

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_02]: with the treacherous needs of his fellow

[00:26:05] [SPEAKER_02]: plotters even though he himself was not

[00:26:08] [SPEAKER_02]: safe from the plotting of others.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:26:10] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's kind of funny.

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this isn't exclusive to Israel.

[00:26:14] [SPEAKER_01]: No, not at all.

[00:26:15] [SPEAKER_01]: One of the most famous...

[00:26:16] [SPEAKER_01]: We all know the Ides of March because

[00:26:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Julius Caesar was stabbed in the back

[00:26:21] [SPEAKER_01]: by his own people.

[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_01]: He's too brutal.

[00:26:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.

[00:26:24] [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean like these types of scenarios

[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_01]: in ancient times were pretty fucking

[00:26:29] [SPEAKER_01]: familiar.

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_01]: And to be fair, even today we're

[00:26:34] [SPEAKER_01]: still dealing with some of that.

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_01]: We just had...

[00:26:36] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like the guy but like Trump

[00:26:39] [SPEAKER_01]: was... there was an attempted assassination.

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a second one.

[00:26:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of two, yeah.

[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_01]: So that second one didn't really even

[00:26:47] [SPEAKER_01]: get close to completing but I mean

[00:26:49] [SPEAKER_01]: there were two assassination attempts

[00:26:51] [SPEAKER_01]: against a former president which is

[00:26:54] [SPEAKER_01]: we still have this obsession with

[00:26:57] [SPEAKER_01]: power and the need to enact change

[00:27:01] [SPEAKER_01]: by taking that person out.

[00:27:03] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say something real quick

[00:27:05] [SPEAKER_02]: about it.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:27:06] [SPEAKER_02]: What I find really interesting, unless

[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_02]: information has come out about the

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_02]: second guy that I have not heard yet

[00:27:14] [SPEAKER_02]: which is totally possible.

[00:27:16] [SPEAKER_02]: But the last I heard, neither of these

[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_02]: guys was like Democrats trying to

[00:27:22] [SPEAKER_02]: take out the Democrat rival.

[00:27:25] [SPEAKER_01]: I know the first one was like

[00:27:27] [SPEAKER_01]: previous... like from what I had heard

[00:27:29] [SPEAKER_01]: and again I don't want to speak

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_01]: with authority but he had previously

[00:27:32] [SPEAKER_01]: been like kind of pro-Republican

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_01]: and then fell out of sorts with

[00:27:38] [SPEAKER_01]: Trump as opposed to like in his

[00:27:40] [SPEAKER_01]: like dealings with the world I guess.

[00:27:44] [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't believe that's correct.

[00:27:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, alright.

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_02]: And I could be wrong but it's my

[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_02]: understanding that he had started

[00:27:52] [SPEAKER_02]: out as a Democrat and had even

[00:27:56] [SPEAKER_02]: paid like a $15 move on dot org

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_02]: toward them.

[00:28:02] [SPEAKER_02]: But then became a Republican but

[00:28:04] [SPEAKER_02]: so it was a registered Republican

[00:28:08] [SPEAKER_02]: when he did the assassination

[00:28:11] [SPEAKER_02]: attempt which everybody was like

[00:28:14] [SPEAKER_02]: what? That's weird.

[00:28:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So but the thing is he had not

[00:28:19] [SPEAKER_02]: although he was a registered

[00:28:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Republican, he had not been

[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_02]: active or anything and what they

[00:28:26] [SPEAKER_02]: found on his computer or phone or

[00:28:29] [SPEAKER_02]: whatever was that he was looking

[00:28:33] [SPEAKER_02]: for a high-profile politician, he was

[00:28:36] [SPEAKER_02]: looking up all of them whoever was

[00:28:38] [SPEAKER_02]: coming closest to him.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_03]: Oh.

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Because he wanted to make a name for

[00:28:43] [SPEAKER_02]: himself. So it didn't matter who

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_02]: was standing on that stage that day.

[00:28:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_02]: He wanted to try to kill them for

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_01]: his own sake.

[00:28:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I got it.

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so that's my understanding of

[00:28:56] [SPEAKER_02]: what happened. Again I could have

[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_02]: it wrong. With the second guy I

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_02]: think that he maybe was not

[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_02]: he. It's always a he isn't it?

[00:29:06] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he was registered

[00:29:07] [SPEAKER_02]: either way. I don't know.

[00:29:10] [SPEAKER_02]: I think that his was like some kind

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_02]: of he hasn't been mentally stable

[00:29:14] [SPEAKER_02]: and heard that if

[00:29:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Trump becomes president that it's

[00:29:21] [SPEAKER_02]: going to be like the worst thing

[00:29:22] [SPEAKER_02]: ever and the world will explode.

[00:29:24] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why he tried but it was

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_02]: more of a mental illness thing

[00:29:28] [SPEAKER_02]: than a Democrat running after a

[00:29:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Republican because I don't know

[00:29:32] [SPEAKER_02]: that he was necessarily a Democrat.

[00:29:35] [SPEAKER_02]: But that's the most that I know of

[00:29:37] [SPEAKER_02]: either of those two.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_02]: And again I could be misremembering

[00:29:43] [SPEAKER_02]: I could have them both wrong and

[00:29:45] [SPEAKER_02]: also more information could have come

[00:29:46] [SPEAKER_02]: out since whatever I just said.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[00:29:50] [SPEAKER_02]: So I see you over there type

[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_02]: type type in.

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_01]: No I was just curious like.

[00:29:54] [SPEAKER_02]: No I was just curious while you're

[00:29:56] [SPEAKER_02]: doing that have you come up with

[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_02]: any information that either adds to

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_02]: or refutes what I said.

[00:30:01] [SPEAKER_01]: No no no I was I was just looking

[00:30:03] [SPEAKER_01]: up to see if there was anything

[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_01]: like immediately available about

[00:30:06] [SPEAKER_01]: his but the second person.

[00:30:07] [SPEAKER_01]: The second guy.

[00:30:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Political affiliation and I

[00:30:10] [SPEAKER_01]: you know off the top of my head

[00:30:12] [SPEAKER_01]: here I haven't found anything

[00:30:13] [SPEAKER_01]: specifically so.

[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_01]: The top of the Google.

[00:30:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah the top of the Google's

[00:30:17] [SPEAKER_01]: head so yeah I don't know.

[00:30:20] [SPEAKER_01]: But it is what it is.

[00:30:21] [SPEAKER_02]: Well that's what I find

[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_02]: interesting though is neither

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_02]: of them were like you know

[00:30:26] [SPEAKER_02]: what I'm a hardcore liberal

[00:30:28] [SPEAKER_02]: progressive lefty left.

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Democrat and I am going to go

[00:30:33] [SPEAKER_02]: fuck some shit up today and kill

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_02]: me a goddamn mega Republican.

[00:30:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Right like that doesn't happen

[00:30:39] [SPEAKER_02]: because.

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Right people who are

[00:30:42] [SPEAKER_02]: progressive Democrat liberal

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_02]: leftists.

[00:30:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Aren't really in mind.

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_02]: Toward violence that way.

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Actually this might have been

[00:30:50] [SPEAKER_01]: the guy I was thinking of

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_01]: because his.

[00:30:52] [SPEAKER_01]: The second guy his.

[00:30:54] [SPEAKER_01]: Social media.

[00:30:56] [SPEAKER_01]: He described himself as a

[00:30:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Trump supporter turned Trump

[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_01]: critic.

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Oh OK.

[00:31:00] [SPEAKER_01]: That might have been who I was

[00:31:01] [SPEAKER_01]: thinking of.

[00:31:02] [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize that.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:31:03] [SPEAKER_02]: OK so that's the second guy

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_02]: then.

[00:31:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah interesting.

[00:31:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Still not a Democrat though.

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:31:09] [SPEAKER_02]: I would say.

[00:31:10] [SPEAKER_02]: No that was probably more

[00:31:12] [SPEAKER_02]: Christianity.

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't refer to

[00:31:13] [SPEAKER_01]: himself as a Democrat.

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: He refers to himself as a

[00:31:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Trump critic.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_01]: Got it.

[00:31:17] [SPEAKER_01]: That's.

[00:31:18] [SPEAKER_04]: I would guess.

[00:31:20] [SPEAKER_01]: Apparently he was once a

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_01]: registered Democrat in North

[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Carolina but.

[00:31:24] [SPEAKER_01]: That was two decades ago so

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_01]: then.

[00:31:26] [SPEAKER_01]: Anybody anybody who has followed

[00:31:28] [SPEAKER_01]: politics for two decades knows

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_01]: that that means something.

[00:31:31] [SPEAKER_01]: Way different way different.

[00:31:33] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and even at that.

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_02]: A Republican in North Carolina

[00:31:37] [SPEAKER_02]: or Democrat in North

[00:31:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Carolina I should say is not

[00:31:41] [SPEAKER_02]: the same as a Democrat in

[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_02]: less red state.

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah you know.

[00:31:45] [SPEAKER_02]: The reddest state Democrat

[00:31:48] [SPEAKER_02]: is still going to be so far

[00:31:50] [SPEAKER_02]: right of any.

[00:31:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Like other Democrat.

[00:31:54] [SPEAKER_02]: On like one of your coasts.

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_01]: Right yeah.

[00:31:58] [SPEAKER_02]: So.

[00:31:59] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:32:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.

[00:32:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah so I would say his

[00:32:02] [SPEAKER_02]: assassination attempt was more

[00:32:04] [SPEAKER_02]: probably.

[00:32:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Christianity and ideology

[00:32:07] [SPEAKER_02]: based.

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Well so again this is

[00:32:10] [SPEAKER_01]: the and I it's coming back to

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: me a little bit as to what I

[00:32:12] [SPEAKER_01]: did know.

[00:32:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he had some.

[00:32:16] [SPEAKER_01]: Tentative plans or want

[00:32:18] [SPEAKER_01]: or wish to go fight.

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_01]: In Ukraine.

[00:32:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes I do remember.

[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_01]: Which would lead me to

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_01]: believe that he was not for the

[00:32:25] [SPEAKER_01]: stances that.

[00:32:26] [SPEAKER_01]: You know Trump took against.

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah you know Ukraine.

[00:32:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So he.

[00:32:30] [SPEAKER_02]: That was gonna just go kill him.

[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I guess.

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah I don't know.

[00:32:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Fuck.

[00:32:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Well I mean Trump was going to

[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_01]: you know basically hand Ukraine

[00:32:38] [SPEAKER_01]: over to Russia.

[00:32:39] [SPEAKER_01]: There were wood.

[00:32:40] [SPEAKER_01]: Wood and will if you ever

[00:32:42] [SPEAKER_01]: became president so.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Again.

[00:32:43] [SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[00:32:44] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_02]: So that makes perfect sense.

[00:32:47] [SPEAKER_02]: I always go out and murder

[00:32:48] [SPEAKER_02]: people that are blowing up

[00:32:50] [SPEAKER_02]: the world.

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_01]: Nope nope right.

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:32:52] [SPEAKER_02]: Do not recommend.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_02]: Do not.

[00:32:53] [SPEAKER_02]: So okay to go over those four

[00:32:56] [SPEAKER_02]: kings that were.

[00:32:58] [SPEAKER_02]: Each assassinated during.

[00:33:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Hose heads lifetime.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:33:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Zechariah was slain by Shalom.

[00:33:05] [SPEAKER_02]: Shalom was slain by Manoham.

[00:33:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Manoham.

[00:33:11] [SPEAKER_02]: Assassinated by.

[00:33:13] [SPEAKER_02]: Pecanaya.

[00:33:15] [SPEAKER_02]: Who was slain by.

[00:33:16] Peca.

[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_02]: And.

[00:33:18] Peca.

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Was slain by.

[00:33:20] [SPEAKER_02]: Hosea.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Guys.

[00:33:21] [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:33:22] [SPEAKER_02]: And that was all on second kings.

[00:33:23] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_03]: All right.

[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_02]: And all were idolaters and all

[00:33:27] [SPEAKER_02]: came to an untimely death.

[00:33:29] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean as assassination does.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_02]: You know.

[00:33:32] [SPEAKER_02]: So verse eight goes on to say

[00:33:34] [SPEAKER_02]: Ephraim mixes with the nations.

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_02]: Ephraim is a flat loaf not

[00:33:38] [SPEAKER_02]: turned over.

[00:33:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Ephraim is a cake unturned

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_02]: is another translation.

[00:33:42] [SPEAKER_03]: Got it.

[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_02]: So the idea is of a half

[00:33:45] [SPEAKER_02]: baked cake.

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[00:33:47] [SPEAKER_02]: Where that comes from is this.

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_02]: In those days bread was often

[00:33:50] [SPEAKER_02]: prepared as a cake that was

[00:33:52] [SPEAKER_02]: cooked on both sides.

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_02]: Something like a pancake.

[00:33:55] [SPEAKER_02]: Having heated the hearth they

[00:33:57] [SPEAKER_02]: sweep one corner put the

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_02]: cake upon it and cover it with

[00:34:00] [SPEAKER_02]: embers.

[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_02]: In a short time they'll turn

[00:34:03] [SPEAKER_02]: it over cover it again and

[00:34:04] [SPEAKER_02]: continue this several times in

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_02]: a row till they find it

[00:34:07] [SPEAKER_02]: sufficiently baked.

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[00:34:09] [SPEAKER_02]: In thinking they can serve

[00:34:11] [SPEAKER_02]: the people can serve both

[00:34:12] [SPEAKER_02]: God and the idols of other

[00:34:15] [SPEAKER_02]: nations.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[00:34:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Israel is like an unturned

[00:34:18] [SPEAKER_02]: pancake burnt on one side

[00:34:20] [SPEAKER_02]: uncooked on the other.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it.

[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_02]: So that's what they meant by a

[00:34:23] [SPEAKER_02]: half baked cake or a cake

[00:34:26] [SPEAKER_02]: unturned or a flat loaf

[00:34:27] [SPEAKER_02]: not turned over.

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_01]: See now I feel like they would

[00:34:29] [SPEAKER_01]: be thinking that they're

[00:34:30] [SPEAKER_01]: like a completely turned cake.

[00:34:32] [SPEAKER_01]: They're like I'm taking

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_01]: advice from all these gods

[00:34:34] [SPEAKER_01]: you know here just turn me

[00:34:35] [SPEAKER_01]: over many times.

[00:34:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[00:34:37] [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever we'll go over this

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_01]: one today.

[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm full baked.

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_01]: That went tomorrow I got all

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_01]: the gods look at this.

[00:34:40] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm so baked.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:34:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[00:34:42] [SPEAKER_02]: Verse nine says foreigner

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_02]: sap his strength but he

[00:34:46] [SPEAKER_02]: does not realize it.

[00:34:47] [SPEAKER_02]: His hair is sprinkled with

[00:34:48] [SPEAKER_02]: gray but he does not notice.

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_02]: Remember that and we were like

[00:34:52] [SPEAKER_02]: the fuck is this right.

[00:34:54] [SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming it's talking about

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_01]: influences from like other

[00:34:57] [SPEAKER_01]: cultures like the Egyptians

[00:35:00] [SPEAKER_01]: and the Syrians and stuff like

[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_01]: that.

[00:35:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Yes or no is that he's doing

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_02]: all of these bad behaviors

[00:35:07] [SPEAKER_02]: that he's getting from other

[00:35:09] [SPEAKER_02]: neighbors but he doesn't notice

[00:35:11] [SPEAKER_02]: how he's acting.

[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_01]: So the being Israel.

[00:35:14] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:35:15] [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[00:35:16] [SPEAKER_02]: So it's being it's comparing a

[00:35:19] [SPEAKER_02]: man who's like super old has

[00:35:21] [SPEAKER_02]: gray hair he's all grizzled

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_02]: right but he's still acting

[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_02]: like a young shot you know like

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_02]: talking about those glory

[00:35:27] [SPEAKER_02]: football days right so not

[00:35:30] [SPEAKER_02]: realizing acting a way that

[00:35:33] [SPEAKER_02]: is not true to who he

[00:35:36] [SPEAKER_02]: actually is.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_03]: Got it.

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_02]: Is what that's about.

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_03]: Got it.

[00:35:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Okay verse 11 says Ephraim

[00:35:42] [SPEAKER_02]: is like a dove easily deceiving

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_02]: and senseless now calling to

[00:35:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Egypt now turning to a Syria

[00:35:48] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's why I was saying

[00:35:50] [SPEAKER_01]: what I said because I remember

[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_01]: that being part of that

[00:35:52] [SPEAKER_01]: chapter was that they were

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_01]: talking about Egypt and

[00:35:55] [SPEAKER_01]: Syria and when they're

[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_01]: what was the bit before where

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_01]: they were saying that they

[00:36:00] [SPEAKER_01]: were easily swayed or

[00:36:03] [SPEAKER_01]: similar they were taking too

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_01]: much influence from something

[00:36:06] [SPEAKER_01]: or other or whatever.

[00:36:07] [SPEAKER_02]: Foreigners sap his strength

[00:36:08] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah foreigners sap his

[00:36:09] [SPEAKER_01]: strength so like and then

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_01]: they move on directly to

[00:36:11] [SPEAKER_01]: talk about a Syria and

[00:36:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Egypt which is why I said

[00:36:15] [SPEAKER_01]: what I said because I feel

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_01]: like that was part of it too.

[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_02]: Got it well another way

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_02]: that that is translated in

[00:36:24] [SPEAKER_02]: other versions Ephraim also

[00:36:26] [SPEAKER_02]: is like a silly dove without

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_01]: heart damn silly doves I know

[00:36:30] [SPEAKER_02]: well I found this part very

[00:36:32] [SPEAKER_02]: interesting because here's

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_02]: the thing I don't know a

[00:36:36] [SPEAKER_02]: lot about doves except they're

[00:36:37] [SPEAKER_02]: supposed to be the bird of

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_02]: peace right and that they

[00:36:40] [SPEAKER_02]: carry an olive branch to

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_02]: offer that peace and that comes

[00:36:44] [SPEAKER_02]: directly from that whole

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_02]: Noah's Ark thing right yeah

[00:36:48] [SPEAKER_02]: so here's the thing a dove is

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_02]: a bird that has very little

[00:36:53] [SPEAKER_02]: understanding it's easily

[00:36:55] [SPEAKER_02]: snared and taken it's careless

[00:36:57] [SPEAKER_02]: about its own young and it

[00:36:59] [SPEAKER_02]: seems to live without any kind

[00:37:01] [SPEAKER_02]: of thought so it's a dumb

[00:37:02] [SPEAKER_02]: bird I didn't know it has been

[00:37:04] [SPEAKER_02]: made by those who like

[00:37:06] [SPEAKER_02]: itself are with heart without

[00:37:07] [SPEAKER_02]: heart the symbol of conjugal

[00:37:10] [SPEAKER_02]: affection so all they care about

[00:37:13] [SPEAKER_02]: is fucking not taking care of

[00:37:16] [SPEAKER_02]: anything else much like what

[00:37:17] [SPEAKER_02]: Israel is doing right now right

[00:37:19] [SPEAKER_02]: I mean not right now today

[00:37:21] [SPEAKER_02]: right now in the Bible sorry

[00:37:23] [SPEAKER_02]: wanted to clarify nothing

[00:37:27] [SPEAKER_02]: worse could have been chosen

[00:37:28] [SPEAKER_02]: for the dove and its mate are

[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_02]: continually quarreling so that's

[00:37:34] [SPEAKER_02]: just like I had no idea about

[00:37:36] [SPEAKER_02]: these birds that are just the

[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_02]: birds of peace sure so anyway

[00:37:41] [SPEAKER_02]: they strive to make Egypt and

[00:37:43] [SPEAKER_02]: Assyria their allies and friends

[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_02]: like they keep going back and forth

[00:37:47] [SPEAKER_02]: remember we talked about this when

[00:37:48] [SPEAKER_02]: we were reading way back how

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_02]: they're just in the middle

[00:37:51] [SPEAKER_01]: right well then that was

[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_01]: this that was actually later on

[00:37:54] [SPEAKER_01]: yes this is before that

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah it's constantly been a

[00:37:57] [SPEAKER_01]: struggle it's constantly been a

[00:37:58] [SPEAKER_01]: political turmoil there in the

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_01]: middle of all these major powers

[00:38:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and that's why a lot of shit

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_01]: happened here because they were

[00:38:06] [SPEAKER_01]: in the middle of it all yes that's

[00:38:09] [SPEAKER_02]: all because they live they lived in

[00:38:10] [SPEAKER_02]: a good place well resource wise

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_01]: yes and they lived in the middle

[00:38:16] [SPEAKER_01]: of a bunch of other shit right

[00:38:18] [SPEAKER_02]: but I mean everybody wanted that

[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_02]: area of the world because that

[00:38:22] [SPEAKER_02]: area had like fertile crescent

[00:38:27] [SPEAKER_02]: you know the whole like nice

[00:38:29] [SPEAKER_02]: valleys and water and whatnot you

[00:38:31] [SPEAKER_02]: know came in the land of honey

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_02]: right like it was good land so

[00:38:35] [SPEAKER_02]: everybody wanted it right and so

[00:38:37] [SPEAKER_02]: they all fought over it the end

[00:38:38] [SPEAKER_02]: that full story yeah so when

[00:38:42] [SPEAKER_02]: they're specifically going between

[00:38:45] [SPEAKER_02]: Egypt and Assyria their kind of

[00:38:48] [SPEAKER_02]: their allies they're like

[00:38:49] [SPEAKER_02]: frenemies but this showed that

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_02]: like the doves they were without

[00:38:53] [SPEAKER_02]: heart and had no understanding

[00:38:55] [SPEAKER_02]: for those two Egypt and Assyria

[00:38:58] [SPEAKER_02]: were rival nations and Israel

[00:39:00] [SPEAKER_02]: could not attach itself to one

[00:39:02] [SPEAKER_02]: without incurring the jealousy

[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and displeasure of the other so

[00:39:06] [SPEAKER_02]: thus like the silly dove they were

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_02]: constantly falling into snares

[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_02]: sometimes of the Egyptians and

[00:39:13] [SPEAKER_02]: other times of the Assyrians by

[00:39:15] [SPEAKER_02]: the former they were betrayed

[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_02]: and by the latter they were ruined

[00:39:19] [SPEAKER_02]: got it so yeah that interesting

[00:39:21] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah okay moving on to chapter

[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_02]: eight okay so the wind reap

[00:39:25] [SPEAKER_02]: the whirlwind the rebuke of

[00:39:28] [SPEAKER_02]: I Israel's idolatry you remember

[00:39:30] [SPEAKER_02]: that I love that so the wind

[00:39:33] [SPEAKER_02]: reap the whirlwind right I love it

[00:39:35] [SPEAKER_02]: so this chapter contains prophecies

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_02]: about the impending destruction of

[00:39:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Israel and Judah for their impiety

[00:39:41] [SPEAKER_02]: and idolatry and it's like does it

[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_02]: because I thought we just read that

[00:39:44] [SPEAKER_02]: again the chapter begins with

[00:39:47] [SPEAKER_02]: threatening some hostile invasion

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_02]: in short and broken sentences full

[00:39:52] [SPEAKER_02]: of rapidity ba ba ba ba ba ba

[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_02]: boom boom and expressive of

[00:39:58] [SPEAKER_02]: sudden danger and alarm due to

[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_02]: their hypocrisy iniquity trees

[00:40:02] [SPEAKER_02]: and an idolatry particularly the

[00:40:05] [SPEAKER_02]: worshiping of the calves of

[00:40:08] [SPEAKER_02]: Dan and Bethel boom boom boom

[00:40:11] [SPEAKER_02]: the people of Israel claim to know

[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_02]: God but they have broken their coven

[00:40:16] [SPEAKER_02]: in with him and sinned against his

[00:40:17] [SPEAKER_02]: law did they oh no I never knew

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_02]: that always the whole book God

[00:40:23] [SPEAKER_02]: will use the Assyrian army here

[00:40:26] [SPEAKER_02]: symbolized by an eagle to bring

[00:40:28] [SPEAKER_02]: his punishment upon them their

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_02]: kings are not people appointed by

[00:40:33] [SPEAKER_02]: God but traders who murder to

[00:40:35] [SPEAKER_02]: gain power the center of their

[00:40:37] [SPEAKER_02]: religion is not Yahweh God

[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_02]: but the golden calves set up as

[00:40:42] [SPEAKER_02]: idols in their cities which is

[00:40:44] [SPEAKER_01]: also Yahweh to them yes exactly

[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_01]: from what we did research on earlier

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_01]: when we were reading through stuff

[00:40:49] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah so that bears repeating yeah

[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_02]: every time this comes up it does

[00:40:53] [SPEAKER_02]: so verse seven says

[00:40:56] [SPEAKER_02]: they sow the wind and reap the

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_02]: whirlwind the stock has no head

[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_02]: it will produce no flower where to

[00:41:03] [SPEAKER_02]: yield grain foreigners would swallow

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_02]: it up so this is considered a proverb

[00:41:08] [SPEAKER_02]: which states that works have rewards

[00:41:11] [SPEAKER_02]: and actions have consequences

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_02]: especially that people may face

[00:41:15] [SPEAKER_02]: negative consequences for their bad

[00:41:17] [SPEAKER_02]: actions sure reap what your mother

[00:41:19] [SPEAKER_02]: fucking so right you know we all

[00:41:21] [SPEAKER_02]: know that one yeah so moving on to

[00:41:22] [SPEAKER_02]: chapter nine this is about being

[00:41:24] [SPEAKER_02]: exiled and dried up okay yep the

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_02]: punishments to fit the sins the

[00:41:29] [SPEAKER_02]: punishment for Israel's persistent

[00:41:31] [SPEAKER_02]: unfaithfulness blah blah blah blah

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_02]: wait no kidding it just goes on and on

[00:41:35] [SPEAKER_02]: about it right hey this chapter

[00:41:37] [SPEAKER_02]: contains prophecies about the

[00:41:38] [SPEAKER_02]: distress and captivity of Israel

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_02]: for her sins oh her sins now she's

[00:41:43] [SPEAKER_02]: a girl again right especially for

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_02]: committing idolatry and so we're

[00:41:47] [SPEAKER_02]: coming to a place where the end

[00:41:49] [SPEAKER_02]: of the good life in Israel is

[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_01]: common sure I mean it seems like

[00:41:53] [SPEAKER_02]: that's always they're about to get it

[00:41:55] [SPEAKER_02]: they're always about to get it yeah

[00:41:57] [SPEAKER_02]: like two seconds from getting it right

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_02]: ball worship and its accompanying

[00:42:02] [SPEAKER_02]: immoral rituals were aimed at

[00:42:04] [SPEAKER_02]: increasing the produce from farms

[00:42:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and vineyards as a punishment God

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_02]: will destroy the farms and vineyards

[00:42:11] [SPEAKER_02]: and send the people into captivity

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_01]: that'll teach people you know we

[00:42:15] [SPEAKER_01]: need we want more farm production and

[00:42:17] [SPEAKER_01]: we're gonna try to fix it by doing

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_01]: this and then instead the person that

[00:42:20] [SPEAKER_01]: we're supposed to be worshipping

[00:42:21] [SPEAKER_01]: that we don't know we're supposed to

[00:42:22] [SPEAKER_01]: be worshipping he's gonna he's gonna ruin

[00:42:24] [SPEAKER_01]: all that and then we're supposed to

[00:42:25] [SPEAKER_01]: worship him yeah that doesn't make

[00:42:28] [SPEAKER_02]: it don't you always worship the one that

[00:42:30] [SPEAKER_02]: fuck you up no right no no me neither

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_02]: neither there they will be forced to

[00:42:37] [SPEAKER_02]: eat food that to them is unclean when

[00:42:40] [SPEAKER_02]: they are sent into captivity right and

[00:42:42] [SPEAKER_02]: so sad they will not be able to

[00:42:45] [SPEAKER_02]: offer the usual food and wine

[00:42:48] [SPEAKER_02]: offerings once they're in captivity

[00:42:50] [SPEAKER_02]: in fact they will barely have enough to

[00:42:52] [SPEAKER_02]: keep themselves alive right so so I

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_01]: guess they're gonna be very happy that

[00:42:58] [SPEAKER_01]: they have that unclean food from these

[00:43:01] [SPEAKER_01]: other people that have other gods yeah

[00:43:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and gracious that these people are

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_01]: helping them sustain their life right

[00:43:06] [SPEAKER_01]: and yet God is the one that's letting

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_01]: them go over there to wither and die

[00:43:11] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah and then he's like how dare you

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_02]: eat that food like what what fuck

[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_02]: you dude yeah so then we get into the

[00:43:19] [SPEAKER_02]: days of Israel's punishment in Egypt so

[00:43:22] [SPEAKER_02]: meanwhile while this is happening the

[00:43:24] [SPEAKER_02]: land in which they once lived will become

[00:43:27] [SPEAKER_02]: wild again through neglect mm-hmm the

[00:43:30] [SPEAKER_02]: people do not like Jose's denunciations and

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_02]: warnings obviously they never do no

[00:43:35] [SPEAKER_01]: one no one likes the naysayers right

[00:43:38] [SPEAKER_01]: don't it's a thing they say people

[00:43:40] [SPEAKER_01]: say don't kill the messenger you know

[00:43:42] [SPEAKER_01]: people don't like it when you bring

[00:43:44] [SPEAKER_01]: bad news right right and and more

[00:43:47] [SPEAKER_01]: over why the fuck would they believe

[00:43:49] [SPEAKER_01]: you yeah I don't understand what your

[00:43:52] [SPEAKER_01]: your standing is that makes you more

[00:43:54] [SPEAKER_01]: authoritative than somebody else now see

[00:43:57] [SPEAKER_02]: here's where a Christian or Republican

[00:44:00] [SPEAKER_02]: or both or whatever might say yeah but

[00:44:03] [SPEAKER_02]: Democrats are always doom and glooming

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and naysaying about the end of the

[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_02]: world because we're melted or it's too

[00:44:11] [SPEAKER_02]: hot or it's gonna flood what is it now

[00:44:14] [SPEAKER_02]: oh the world's on fire right climate

[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_02]: change blah blah then they would say

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_02]: you're telling us that you shouldn't

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_02]: believe the naysayers or don't shoot the

[00:44:25] [SPEAKER_02]: messenger but you guys are being

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_02]: doomsday sayers I'm saying this person

[00:44:31] [SPEAKER_01]: doesn't have any facts to back them up

[00:44:32] [SPEAKER_01]: at least we have facts to back this up

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_01]: totally over I kind of agree that we

[00:44:37] [SPEAKER_01]: should probably be more positive with

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_01]: action that we're going to take yeah

[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_01]: as opposed to always talking about the

[00:44:43] [SPEAKER_01]: shitty things that are gonna happen

[00:44:44] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah and I'm not saying we don't need to

[00:44:46] [SPEAKER_01]: address those but our public front

[00:44:50] [SPEAKER_01]: should be hey just we all know this is

[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_01]: the thing but this is what we're gonna

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_01]: do positively to enact change yeah we

[00:44:58] [SPEAKER_01]: should talk more about that change and

[00:45:00] [SPEAKER_01]: how it's going to influence jobs and

[00:45:03] [SPEAKER_01]: do all these other like it should

[00:45:04] [SPEAKER_01]: snowball into a fucking just branched

[00:45:08] [SPEAKER_01]: out you know chart of everything is

[00:45:11] [SPEAKER_01]: gonna be awesome by the time we're

[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_01]: done with our plan yeah and right now

[00:45:25] [SPEAKER_01]: we're just reacting to shitty things that

[00:45:27] [SPEAKER_02]: are happening I mean to be fair like

[00:45:30] [SPEAKER_02]: the world's on fire and we're running

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_02]: around trying to put the fires out and

[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_02]: there's not been a lot of time to like

[00:45:36] [SPEAKER_02]: just sit down and make a plan but we

[00:45:38] [SPEAKER_02]: need to yeah no I totally agree so the

[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_02]: people like I said do not like hosea's

[00:45:43] [SPEAKER_02]: denunciations and warnings and

[00:45:44] [SPEAKER_02]: warnings he is God's messenger to them

[00:45:47] [SPEAKER_02]: the nation's watchmen remember we talked

[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_02]: about watchmen right but they call him

[00:45:52] [SPEAKER_02]: a fool and a madman and they even plot

[00:45:55] [SPEAKER_02]: to kill him yeah so Israel is barren

[00:45:59] [SPEAKER_02]: and dried up in judgment and God is

[00:46:02] [SPEAKER_02]: then introduced declaring his early

[00:46:04] [SPEAKER_02]: favor for his people and the delight

[00:46:07] [SPEAKER_02]: he took in their obedience he's like

[00:46:08] [SPEAKER_02]: remember when I used to love you

[00:46:10] [SPEAKER_02]: and they're like no not really yeah

[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_02]: but now the people had so deeply

[00:46:16] [SPEAKER_02]: revolted all their glory will take wing

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_02]: God will forsake them and their

[00:46:22] [SPEAKER_02]: offspring will be devoted to destruction

[00:46:24] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah okay so God sends barrenness

[00:46:28] [SPEAKER_02]: and bereavement yeah when God brought

[00:46:31] [SPEAKER_02]: the people of Israel out of Egypt and

[00:46:33] [SPEAKER_02]: led them through the wilderness his

[00:46:35] [SPEAKER_02]: desire was that they enter a new era

[00:46:38] [SPEAKER_02]: of fruitfulness but before they

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_02]: reached the promised land even they

[00:46:42] [SPEAKER_02]: had turned to Baalism and its

[00:46:44] [SPEAKER_02]: immorality got it so you know I feel

[00:46:47] [SPEAKER_01]: like God wasn't holding up his end of the

[00:46:49] [SPEAKER_01]: bargain he never does that's you know such

[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_02]: unfaithfulness has characterized the

[00:46:53] [SPEAKER_02]: people ever since then like from day one

[00:46:56] [SPEAKER_02]: they've been fuck ups yeah they

[00:46:58] [SPEAKER_02]: practice sexual rights hoping that

[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_02]: their families will increase so God's

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_02]: punishment accordingly will cause their

[00:47:04] [SPEAKER_02]: families to decrease because of their

[00:47:06] [SPEAKER_02]: Baal practices they will be fruitless

[00:47:09] [SPEAKER_02]: instead of fruitful they will go into

[00:47:12] [SPEAKER_02]: shameful captivity in a foreign land

[00:47:15] [SPEAKER_02]: boom okay so chapter 10 now we're closing

[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_02]: in on the end yeah Israel has no king

[00:47:21] [SPEAKER_02]: what the punishment for Israel's

[00:47:23] [SPEAKER_02]: persistent unfaithfulness continued

[00:47:26] [SPEAKER_02]: reaping what they have motherfucking

[00:47:28] [SPEAKER_02]: sown okay yeah this last chapter here

[00:47:31] [SPEAKER_02]: contains prophecies dated to the

[00:47:33] [SPEAKER_02]: period between Shaman Shaman nesser

[00:47:36] [SPEAKER_02]: the fifth first and second invasions of

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_02]: Israel and I was like I'm sorry what's a

[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_02]: shaman nesser so this chapter contains

[00:47:44] [SPEAKER_02]: prophecies dated to the period between

[00:47:46] [SPEAKER_02]: shaman nesser the fifth first and

[00:47:49] [SPEAKER_02]: second invasions of Israel and I was

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_02]: like what the fuck is a shaman nesser

[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_02]: right less five of them right so

[00:47:55] [SPEAKER_02]: here's who he was he was a king of

[00:47:58] [SPEAKER_02]: the neo-assyrian

[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_02]: Assyrian Empire from the death of his

[00:48:04] [SPEAKER_02]: father to Glath Pillesar the third in

[00:48:07] [SPEAKER_02]: 727 BCE to his death deposition and death

[00:48:12] [SPEAKER_02]: in 722 BCE so he ruled about five years

[00:48:16] [SPEAKER_02]: shaman nesser the fifth brief reign is

[00:48:18] [SPEAKER_02]: poorly known from contemporary sources

[00:48:21] [SPEAKER_02]: but is renowned for the conquest of

[00:48:24] [SPEAKER_02]: Samaria and the fall of the kingdom of

[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_02]: Israel who knew though the conclusion

[00:48:29] [SPEAKER_02]: of that campaign is sometimes attributed

[00:48:31] [SPEAKER_02]: to his successor Sargon

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah that sucks lost credit

[00:48:37] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah I mean I never heard of the dude

[00:48:39] [SPEAKER_02]: but I've heard of Sargon

[00:48:41] [SPEAKER_02]: Israel is reproved and threatened for

[00:48:44] [SPEAKER_02]: its impiety and idolatry you know some

[00:48:47] [SPEAKER_02]: more and exhorted to repentance you

[00:48:49] [SPEAKER_02]: know some more right so then we talk

[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_02]: more about what this chapter deals with

[00:48:54] [SPEAKER_02]: which is more the same

[00:48:56] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah more of the same yeah the same

[00:48:58] [SPEAKER_02]: more it's the same yeah it begins

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_02]: with comparing Israel to a fruitful vine

[00:49:03] [SPEAKER_02]: that is corrupted by too much

[00:49:05] [SPEAKER_02]: prosperity that always happens to me

[00:49:07] [SPEAKER_02]: then it next reproves and threatens them

[00:49:10] [SPEAKER_02]: for their idolatry and archie and breach

[00:49:12] [SPEAKER_02]: of covenant I feel like they keep reading

[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_02]: the same sentences over and over they are

[00:49:16] [SPEAKER_02]: their idolatry is then enlarged upon

[00:49:18] [SPEAKER_02]: and its fatal consequences declared

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_02]: in terms of sublimity and pathos

[00:49:24] [SPEAKER_02]: darkness darkness

[00:49:27] [SPEAKER_02]: okay so verse 8 says

[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_02]: the high places of wickedness will be

[00:49:32] [SPEAKER_02]: destroyed it is the sin of Israel

[00:49:34] [SPEAKER_02]: thorns and thistles will grow up

[00:49:37] [SPEAKER_02]: and cover their altars then they will say

[00:49:39] [SPEAKER_02]: to the mountains cover us into the hills

[00:49:40] [SPEAKER_02]: fall on us and we were like what the

[00:49:43] [SPEAKER_02]: fuck does that all mean do you remember

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah so this is saying that no one

[00:49:47] [SPEAKER_02]: can be trusted injustice like a

[00:49:49] [SPEAKER_02]: poisonous plant is having a deadly

[00:49:51] [SPEAKER_02]: effect it is killing the nation the

[00:49:54] [SPEAKER_02]: people do not fear God and as a result

[00:49:56] [SPEAKER_02]: will fall under his judgment they

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_02]: along with their king and the golden

[00:50:00] [SPEAKER_02]: calf that they worship will be carried

[00:50:02] [SPEAKER_02]: off to Assyria the land will be ruined

[00:50:06] [SPEAKER_02]: and the ball alters will become

[00:50:09] [SPEAKER_02]: overgrown with weeds okay so then we

[00:50:13] [SPEAKER_02]: move on and God is introduced complaining

[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_02]: of their excessive guilt and threatening

[00:50:18] [SPEAKER_02]: them with captivity in terms that bear

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_02]: a manifest illusion to their favorite

[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_02]: idolatry the worshiping of the

[00:50:26] [SPEAKER_02]: similitude of a calf or heifer okay and

[00:50:30] [SPEAKER_02]: then so we move on to verse 11 ephraim

[00:50:34] [SPEAKER_02]: is a trained heifer that loves to

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_02]: thresh so I will put a yoke on her fair

[00:50:40] [SPEAKER_02]: neck I will drive ephraim Judah must

[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_02]: plow and Jacob must break up the ground

[00:50:46] [SPEAKER_01]: definitely a question about yeah like

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_02]: what even is all that right okay so

[00:50:50] [SPEAKER_02]: ephraim is thoroughly broken into and

[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_02]: goes along peaceably in the yoke okay is

[00:50:57] [SPEAKER_02]: what this is all about got it so she

[00:50:58] [SPEAKER_02]: doesn't mind she's fine okay she is

[00:51:01] [SPEAKER_02]: pleased and thus eats the corn but she

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_02]: will not only tread out the corn she

[00:51:06] [SPEAKER_02]: will also draw the plow and drag the

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_02]: hero so that there may be seed for the

[00:51:10] [SPEAKER_02]: fields Israel very frequently asked for

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_02]: stuff from Judah so they leaned on

[00:51:16] [SPEAKER_02]: Judah a lot right and as Israel love

[00:51:20] [SPEAKER_02]: to quote tread out the corn and not

[00:51:23] [SPEAKER_02]: the plow so they like didn't mind eating

[00:51:25] [SPEAKER_02]: what was cooked but they didn't want to

[00:51:28] [SPEAKER_02]: do the work okay therefore now he will

[00:51:31] [SPEAKER_02]: be made to plow he's gonna have to work

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_02]: got it which is to say he will be put

[00:51:35] [SPEAKER_02]: under the yoke of the Assyrians okay

[00:51:38] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah so Judah and Jacob shall plow for

[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_02]: themselves means that Judah should no

[00:51:45] [SPEAKER_02]: longer plow for Israel but for

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_02]: himself and Israel shall no more make

[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_02]: requests on him or demands and that you

[00:51:55] [SPEAKER_02]: got to do your own shit got it okay so

[00:51:57] [SPEAKER_02]: that apparently is what that meant okay so

[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_02]: that pretty much sums up those five

[00:52:04] [SPEAKER_02]: chapters and answers the few questions

[00:52:06] [SPEAKER_01]: that we had all right yeah I was very

[00:52:09] [SPEAKER_01]: repetitive it was very much the same

[00:52:11] [SPEAKER_01]: thing all the way through mm-hmm and

[00:52:14] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah that God sucks no right yeah I

[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_02]: think that he gave me a runny nose

[00:52:20] [SPEAKER_02]: and a yeah so if you heard me sniffling

[00:52:22] [SPEAKER_02]: throughout I apologize we're gonna try

[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_02]: to edit some of that out so I might get

[00:52:26] [SPEAKER_02]: through though so right apologies

[00:52:28] [SPEAKER_02]: apologies apologies and I think that's it

[00:52:32] [SPEAKER_01]: yep so that was our Q&A for today yes

[00:52:35] [SPEAKER_01]: it was I will be getting the weekly wrap

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_01]: up out here for tomorrow and then we're

[00:52:40] [SPEAKER_01]: going to do some we're gonna do a

[00:52:43] [SPEAKER_01]: special episode yeah and we'll explain

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_01]: a little bit more about what our

[00:52:45] [SPEAKER_01]: upcoming weeks will look like from

[00:52:47] [SPEAKER_01]: therefore they're going forward and

[00:52:49] [SPEAKER_02]: that will be in our live and yeah that

[00:52:51] [SPEAKER_01]: will be our live episode rumor which we'll

[00:52:53] [SPEAKER_01]: be doing Wednesday night at 10 PM Eastern

[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_02]: 10 PM Eastern on discord yep and there's

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_01]: always a link in the show notes so just

[00:53:00] [SPEAKER_01]: definitely check that out and join us

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_01]: there

[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_01]: yep and then we'll see you guys then

[00:53:05] [SPEAKER_02]: yep bye bye