Hosea Wrap Up: Bible Study by Atheists

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[00:00:49] Do you know what we're doing today?

[00:00:50] Well, we have finished Hosea, which means that right now we are getting into what we like to call the book wrap-up.

[00:01:01] So we are wrapping up Hosea.

[00:01:03] The book of Hosea.

[00:01:04] Yeah.

[00:01:04] That's right.

[00:01:06] Another notch on your belt, guys.

[00:01:08] Right, yeah.

[00:01:08] You have read another book of the Bible.

[00:01:10] That was the 28th book of the Bible, just so everybody, for anybody keeping track.

[00:01:14] I wasn't.

[00:01:15] Good on you.

[00:01:15] And so we're going to be going, after we're done with the wrap-ups and the contradictions and all the things, we're going to be going into the 29th book of the Bible.

[00:01:23] Wow.

[00:01:23] So it's fantastic.

[00:01:25] That's crazy.

[00:01:26] There's only like 60-something books, so number-wise, we're getting real close to that midway number of books.

[00:01:33] That's amazing.

[00:01:34] I never would have thought that we would have made it this far.

[00:01:37] You know, I honestly, when we started this thing, I didn't think it would take us this long to fucking read the goddamn Bible.

[00:01:45] No, I know.

[00:01:45] When I was talking to somebody else about our project, what we're doing, they were like, four years just to get that far?

[00:01:53] What?

[00:01:54] And like, I don't know.

[00:01:56] I have no comparison, you know?

[00:01:59] Right, yeah.

[00:01:59] Like, to me, it's like, yeah, but we're reading like a chapter a night, take the weekends off.

[00:02:06] And to be fair, we spend an inordinate amount of time on each chapter.

[00:02:10] So I mean, part of it is our process that we do.

[00:02:13] Right.

[00:02:14] But part of it is, it's a really fucking thick book.

[00:02:17] Right.

[00:02:17] It's got a lot of shit in it.

[00:02:19] So when people are like, it took you four years and you haven't even got through it yet, you're only not even halfway through it.

[00:02:24] But I'm like, okay, but when you say you read it, like, what does that mean to you?

[00:02:29] Right.

[00:02:30] Do you understand what you're reading?

[00:02:31] Because I don't.

[00:02:32] That's why I'm...

[00:02:33] They have one of those like Bible in a year things and it's just like, you know, read this bit and that bit.

[00:02:37] And they just buzz through it right quick.

[00:02:39] And I'm like, well, yeah, we could do that.

[00:02:41] But I like discussing it with you.

[00:02:44] And I like being like, oh, those cities are these cities.

[00:02:48] Oh, and putting it all together.

[00:02:50] Right.

[00:02:51] Yeah.

[00:02:51] I mean, and I think that either one of us could have finished reading the Bible within a year.

[00:02:55] Sure.

[00:02:55] You know, like that, that's definitely a doable task.

[00:02:58] But you know what?

[00:02:59] You wouldn't have got, we wouldn't have got as much out of it.

[00:03:01] And we would have stopped because that should be boring.

[00:03:04] Yeah.

[00:03:04] I would not have gotten this far if it wasn't fun.

[00:03:07] Right.

[00:03:07] And we're stopping to research.

[00:03:09] We're stopping to talk about it.

[00:03:10] We're stopping to question.

[00:03:11] We're stopping to...

[00:03:12] Make fun of it.

[00:03:13] Or, you know, like...

[00:03:14] Yell at it.

[00:03:14] Right.

[00:03:14] Right.

[00:03:15] Yeah.

[00:03:15] There's lots of things that need to be done as you're reading through the Bible if you

[00:03:18] want it to be entertaining and also informative.

[00:03:23] Exactly.

[00:03:24] Right?

[00:03:24] And I feel like if you're going to read something for as long as we're reading something, it

[00:03:28] You might as well get something out of it.

[00:03:29] It should be fucking entertaining.

[00:03:30] Right?

[00:03:30] And hopefully you guys think the same.

[00:03:32] Well, I mean, obviously somebody does.

[00:03:34] We've got a few followers that come back every day or every week.

[00:03:37] A few.

[00:03:37] We're actually getting pretty big these days.

[00:03:38] I know.

[00:03:39] I had a...

[00:03:41] I had...

[00:03:41] Well, anyway, we...

[00:03:42] There's people coming to me all the time like, I saw you on a top da da da list.

[00:03:46] And I'm like, oh, well, that's cool.

[00:03:47] That is cool.

[00:03:48] Yeah.

[00:03:49] Well...

[00:03:50] You know, we're something.

[00:03:52] We're climbing up there.

[00:03:52] Not something something, but we're something.

[00:03:54] We're something to us.

[00:03:56] We're something, yeah.

[00:03:56] In our little circle.

[00:03:57] We're something else.

[00:03:58] We're something else.

[00:03:59] Yeah.

[00:04:00] That's a fact.

[00:04:01] Anyway, so we're getting into...

[00:04:03] What was it again today?

[00:04:04] We're doing the Hosea Wrap Up.

[00:04:06] All right.

[00:04:06] You ready to do this?

[00:04:07] Yes.

[00:04:08] Let's do it.

[00:04:09] Okie dokie.

[00:04:15] All right.

[00:04:16] We are getting into Hosea.

[00:04:19] Wrap Up.

[00:04:20] Wrap Up.

[00:04:21] You didn't even say the other thing.

[00:04:23] Hose Head.

[00:04:23] Oh, there we go.

[00:04:24] I was waiting for it.

[00:04:25] I'm like, what the fuck's wife doing?

[00:04:27] She didn't even say Hose Head in the intro or now.

[00:04:30] I had a guy to prompt you.

[00:04:31] Here's the thing.

[00:04:31] You know what?

[00:04:32] What?

[00:04:33] I'm drinking wine.

[00:04:35] You are.

[00:04:37] And let me tell you what a trash human being I am.

[00:04:40] And it makes me happy every time I say it.

[00:04:42] This is how I drink wine.

[00:04:44] I drink it in a mason glass.

[00:04:47] You do.

[00:04:48] Over ice.

[00:04:49] You do.

[00:04:49] And I drink it like it's a punch.

[00:04:51] You do.

[00:04:52] And sometimes I even drink it with a straw.

[00:04:55] You do.

[00:04:55] And you know, I've had people be like, oh my God, what is wrong with you?

[00:04:59] And here's what's wrong with me.

[00:05:01] Yeah.

[00:05:02] I enjoy having fun.

[00:05:03] And that is fun to me.

[00:05:05] Right.

[00:05:05] And it doesn't change the taste at all because I am not a connoisseur of fine things.

[00:05:09] To be fair, it's not fine wine.

[00:05:11] No.

[00:05:12] We just got cheap shit.

[00:05:13] It's like, what, $4 wine or some shit from the gas station?

[00:05:16] Right.

[00:05:16] So fuck cares, you know?

[00:05:16] Yeah.

[00:05:17] Yeah.

[00:05:18] So, I mean, that is how I drink wine and I enjoy every goddamn minute of it.

[00:05:25] Right.

[00:05:25] And I think that's the purpose of most things in life that you, you know, that you want

[00:05:30] to do, right?

[00:05:31] Yeah.

[00:05:31] If you want to drink wine, you might as well fucking enjoy how you're drinking it.

[00:05:34] I don't need a wine glass is the thing.

[00:05:36] You don't need a wine glass.

[00:05:36] No.

[00:05:36] Why do you need a wine glass?

[00:05:37] That's one of those traditions, those things set in, you know, unless you're like, you

[00:05:42] know, a Romize or what is it?

[00:05:44] You know.

[00:05:45] From, no.

[00:05:46] Fromage is cheese.

[00:05:48] What are those guys called?

[00:05:50] I don't know.

[00:05:50] Where they taste, you know, they breathe it in and they, you know, they.

[00:05:54] They take a little.

[00:05:55] They do the.

[00:05:56] With their tongue.

[00:05:57] They do the bubbly sip thing and everything.

[00:05:58] And then they spit it out.

[00:05:59] Right.

[00:05:59] Yeah.

[00:06:00] I don't get that shit.

[00:06:01] We're not doing that with Boone's Farm, you know?

[00:06:03] That's just not how it goes.

[00:06:04] So.

[00:06:05] This isn't Boone's Farm, but honestly, it might as well be.

[00:06:09] It's close enough.

[00:06:09] All right.

[00:06:10] So let me get my shit together and talk about hose head.

[00:06:12] Okay.

[00:06:13] All right.

[00:06:14] So hose head, Hosea.

[00:06:16] Yes.

[00:06:16] Is listed as the first of the 12 minor prophets in the Tanakh in the Christian Old Testament.

[00:06:23] Okay.

[00:06:24] Did you know that?

[00:06:25] Well.

[00:06:25] We've talked about it before.

[00:06:26] You said the Tanakh, which is Jewish.

[00:06:28] That's not Christian.

[00:06:29] Right.

[00:06:30] So I just want to make sure.

[00:06:31] Oh, I'm sorry.

[00:06:32] I meant to say and in the Christian Old Testament.

[00:06:35] Okay.

[00:06:35] Sorry.

[00:06:36] No, it's all right.

[00:06:36] I was just like.

[00:06:37] I knew what I meant.

[00:06:38] So I was like, what are you talking about?

[00:06:41] Sorry.

[00:06:41] Yeah.

[00:06:42] It's fine.

[00:06:42] And.

[00:06:43] Both.

[00:06:43] Both.

[00:06:44] Yep.

[00:06:45] So, yeah.

[00:06:46] So we're into the last bit of the Old Testament here because all that's left is the minor prophets.

[00:06:52] Right.

[00:06:52] So, yeah.

[00:06:53] That's where we're at.

[00:06:55] The book is set around the fall of the northern kingdom of Israel, as we know.

[00:06:59] Right.

[00:06:59] In the last year of the reign of Jeroboam, as we know.

[00:07:03] Sure.

[00:07:03] He was king of Israel.

[00:07:05] And as such, it denounces the worship of gods other than Yahweh.

[00:07:10] Right.

[00:07:10] You know.

[00:07:11] But that's not exclusive to this.

[00:07:13] No.

[00:07:14] No.

[00:07:14] Anyway, whatsoever.

[00:07:15] It really isn't.

[00:07:16] I'm like, what's special about him?

[00:07:18] Absolutely nothing.

[00:07:19] Right.

[00:07:19] It's pretty much an ongoing theme throughout the most of the Old Testament.

[00:07:23] What's really fun is when we get down to the chapter breakdown.

[00:07:27] Yeah.

[00:07:27] Like I just did like a little summary just as a reminder of what happened.

[00:07:32] For sure.

[00:07:32] And I made a legend that has a key that I'll tell you about that says all the things that

[00:07:41] were repeated throughout this chapter, which kind of echoes the Old Testament as a whole

[00:07:47] thus far.

[00:07:47] Yeah.

[00:07:48] And we kind of commented on that throughout the book, too.

[00:07:51] Yeah.

[00:07:51] We'll get there.

[00:07:52] Yeah.

[00:07:53] All right.

[00:07:53] This book starts out using the story of Hosea's unfaithful wife.

[00:07:58] Right.

[00:07:58] That was her name.

[00:08:00] It was Gomer.

[00:08:01] I pulled that one out of my ass.

[00:08:03] You sure as fuck did.

[00:08:06] I don't know how you remember that, but I am impressed.

[00:08:09] I don't have notes in front of me.

[00:08:10] Just for the record.

[00:08:11] No, you don't.

[00:08:11] Because I don't allow it.

[00:08:12] No.

[00:08:13] I really don't.

[00:08:14] I am strictly off the top of my head.

[00:08:17] As a matter of fact, before we started this podcast, you were talking about...

[00:08:22] Tonight's podcast.

[00:08:22] Not the whole podcast.

[00:08:23] Oh, yeah, yeah.

[00:08:24] Before this episode.

[00:08:25] Yeah.

[00:08:26] You were suggesting that we change up the way we do things a little bit so that you

[00:08:31] would have a better idea of where the conversation might be going.

[00:08:35] And I was like, absolutely fucking not.

[00:08:38] But I mostly...

[00:08:39] The part that I want to...

[00:08:41] Like, I hate it when I miss a theme.

[00:08:44] You know?

[00:08:44] Okay.

[00:08:44] Because sometimes we'll be reading...

[00:08:46] That's the part that bothers me is when we go back and we do some studying afterwards

[00:08:50] and then I'm like, oh.

[00:08:52] Right.

[00:08:53] That's what that was.

[00:08:54] And then, like, I missed the whole fucking point.

[00:08:56] Right.

[00:08:57] And sometimes, like, when we...

[00:08:58] So when we started things back in, like, Exodus and Genesis and everything, there's

[00:09:02] themes that I missed up until well into...

[00:09:05] Same.

[00:09:05] The prophets and stuff.

[00:09:06] Same.

[00:09:07] But I'm thinking that leans towards once we're done reading the Bible, I really...

[00:09:14] I've been feeling this more and more and more.

[00:09:16] Yeah.

[00:09:16] I kind of feel like we need to go back and start over and listen to our old episodes

[00:09:23] with, like, oh, now I understand.

[00:09:26] And also, it would give us an opportunity to answer the questions that I missed.

[00:09:31] Got it.

[00:09:32] That we had talked about.

[00:09:33] Yeah.

[00:09:34] So I...

[00:09:34] The way we should do that, we should do it as a video podcast.

[00:09:37] Oh, my God.

[00:09:37] Yeah.

[00:09:37] And then it should be you and I silhouetted with our cat in the middle.

[00:09:40] So...

[00:09:42] You're like Mystery Theater 3000.

[00:09:45] Mystery Science Theater Sacrilegious Discourse.

[00:09:48] Yeah.

[00:09:48] Yeah.

[00:09:48] Okay.

[00:09:49] Exactly.

[00:09:50] Mm-hmm.

[00:09:50] Mm-hmm.

[00:09:51] Mm-hmm.

[00:09:51] Mm-hmm.

[00:09:51] So anyway, I was like, you do not get supplied with any information about what's coming so

[00:09:58] that your reaction can be genuine and off the cuff.

[00:10:02] And if you know what's coming, then you're not fresh.

[00:10:05] No, I know.

[00:10:06] And I agree with you.

[00:10:07] I do.

[00:10:08] I just...

[00:10:08] I don't...

[00:10:10] I know sometimes you forget to take off your editor hat and your podcaster hat.

[00:10:16] And, you know, you are here with me on the microphone and this is what we're doing.

[00:10:23] Right.

[00:10:23] And you, like, forget which hat you're wearing for a minute.

[00:10:27] No, it's true.

[00:10:28] It's true.

[00:10:28] Yeah.

[00:10:28] Yeah.

[00:10:29] We're not a refined, finished product.

[00:10:31] Oh, no.

[00:10:32] We're bumbling through, you know, travesty of a talk show.

[00:10:38] Yeah.

[00:10:38] And see, you keep wanting to refine it and I'm like, but that goes against everything

[00:10:44] that we stand for.

[00:10:45] Right, yeah.

[00:10:45] Our fans would hate us if we were better.

[00:10:47] Right?

[00:10:49] We, like, we're renowned at this point for being a goddamn mess, unprofessional as fuck,

[00:10:55] and not knowing what the hell we're doing.

[00:10:57] Right.

[00:10:57] So, why change a thing that works, you know?

[00:10:59] That's right.

[00:11:00] Yeah.

[00:11:00] Besides, I would have to plan ahead just a little bit better and I don't want to.

[00:11:06] All right.

[00:11:07] Carrying on.

[00:11:08] The book starts out using the story of Hosehead's unfaithful wife, Gomer, as a metaphor for the

[00:11:14] people of Israel's abandonment of Yahweh.

[00:11:18] Poor Yahweh.

[00:11:19] Yeah.

[00:11:19] He's eating in the corner of the client.

[00:11:21] Always getting abandoned.

[00:11:22] The book dates back to around 760-ish to 720-ish BCE.

[00:11:28] Okay.

[00:11:29] And it's one of the oldest books of the Tanakh.

[00:11:32] Got it.

[00:11:32] Which we have talked about that before as well.

[00:11:34] Yeah.

[00:11:34] And there's definitely some, like, the themes were odd in some places.

[00:11:40] Mm-hmm.

[00:11:40] Especially like that, the male references to Israel.

[00:11:44] Yeah.

[00:11:45] Were odd because throughout most of the rest of the Bible it was referenced to female.

[00:11:49] Always a she.

[00:11:50] Yeah.

[00:11:50] Yeah.

[00:11:51] Yeah.

[00:11:51] So that was one of those things that caught me by surprise in this book.

[00:11:55] Same.

[00:11:55] And then also referring to Israel as Ephraim quite often.

[00:12:03] As Ephraim?

[00:12:04] Mm-hmm.

[00:12:05] No.

[00:12:06] Mm-hmm.

[00:12:06] They referred to Israel as Jacob, but Ephraim was the one tribe that was the leader of...

[00:12:13] They referred to them because they were the leader of Israel.

[00:12:19] Mm-hmm.

[00:12:19] They were the top tribe.

[00:12:20] Well, it seemed like they were talking, like, they would say, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

[00:12:23] Ephraim is so bad.

[00:12:25] Right.

[00:12:26] They used Ephraim as a...

[00:12:28] As a representation.

[00:12:29] ...as a placeholder for Israel.

[00:12:30] Okay.

[00:12:30] Okay.

[00:12:30] Okay.

[00:12:31] Okay.

[00:12:32] It just, I don't know.

[00:12:35] It seemed more...

[00:12:38] I couldn't always get what was happening because they phrased it differently and they used

[00:12:42] different words that I was used to.

[00:12:43] If I had to guess, Ephraim was probably the closest tribe to where Hosea or whoever was

[00:12:47] writing this was physically at the time.

[00:12:50] Yeah.

[00:12:50] So that's who they dealt with the most.

[00:12:51] Probably.

[00:12:52] So Ephraim was the one that they were talking to.

[00:12:55] That makes sense.

[00:12:55] Or not talking to or whatever.

[00:12:56] Or arguing with or whatever.

[00:12:57] Yeah.

[00:12:58] That makes sense.

[00:12:59] So this book even predates the final recensions of the full Torah, the Pentateuch.

[00:13:05] Hmm.

[00:13:05] So they were still stapling the Pentateuch together when these stories of Hosehead were

[00:13:12] floating around.

[00:13:13] Got it.

[00:13:13] Okay.

[00:13:13] That's how old this shit is.

[00:13:14] Right.

[00:13:15] And it shows.

[00:13:15] Yeah.

[00:13:16] It was like, what the fuck?

[00:13:17] Yeah.

[00:13:17] The book has a long history of formation and being passed from person to person.

[00:13:22] Transmission is what they call that.

[00:13:24] Right.

[00:13:24] Much like an STD.

[00:13:28] I'm sorry.

[00:13:29] STI.

[00:13:30] Oh, sure.

[00:13:30] Yeah.

[00:13:30] Yeah.

[00:13:31] Yeah.

[00:13:31] That's much less.

[00:13:33] Yeah.

[00:13:33] So.

[00:13:34] That's pretty much what the Bible is, right?

[00:13:36] That's why I said it.

[00:13:39] Yeah.

[00:13:39] So I just find it very interesting that this book is like, yeah, this is the shit.

[00:13:46] And I'm like, but it's so old and dumb and it's as old as the other shit, but it's no

[00:13:54] less than anything else.

[00:13:56] It is more dumb.

[00:13:57] It's look, it's more dumb than the Pentateuch because the Pentateuch like that is old school

[00:14:06] Judaism.

[00:14:07] Okay.

[00:14:08] And I can like, I can nod my head and say, okay, okay.

[00:14:12] But then you start getting this other stuff and I'm like, no, you don't really go.

[00:14:18] You're not part of that.

[00:14:20] Go away.

[00:14:22] I mean, they are, but it's not.

[00:14:25] I don't know.

[00:14:26] I don't know.

[00:14:27] So there's, there's, there's levels of, uh, of togetherness, right?

[00:14:31] And this was not really well put together.

[00:14:33] No.

[00:14:33] And it was just, it was, it was too much of one thing and not enough of other things that

[00:14:39] it just didn't really.

[00:14:40] I have a feeling cohesive.

[00:14:42] I have a feeling that the other minor profit stories are going to be very similar.

[00:14:48] And that's probably why they're minor profits.

[00:14:49] They're just going to be like little snippets from various places throughout.

[00:14:55] And it's like, but why couldn't we have stapled them together in the places where they belong?

[00:15:00] Right.

[00:15:00] Right.

[00:15:01] This is so dumb.

[00:15:02] You know, I, I just, it's not logical and it's really offending my sensitivities.

[00:15:08] Sure.

[00:15:09] Because it's not how I would have done it.

[00:15:11] Right.

[00:15:12] Right.

[00:15:12] But there's a lot of things in the Bible that I wouldn't have done.

[00:15:14] Well, that is true.

[00:15:16] That is true.

[00:15:17] You're not wrong.

[00:15:18] Um, much of the opening material in oral form.

[00:15:22] So not oral sex, but you know, oral discussion.

[00:15:26] Yes.

[00:15:27] Um, as opposed to email.

[00:15:29] Right.

[00:15:29] Yeah, definitely not email.

[00:15:31] It does go back to Hosea himself.

[00:15:33] So.

[00:15:34] Okay.

[00:15:34] There was a dude named Hosea.

[00:15:36] Yeah.

[00:15:37] And, well, we, we did talk about this before that a lot of people think that there is a

[00:15:42] person named Hosea that wrote some of this up, but there is also, as we went through some

[00:15:46] of the Q and A's, there has been stuff added to this story too.

[00:15:50] Yes.

[00:15:50] Yes.

[00:15:50] So it's not strictly Hosea.

[00:15:52] No, that's what it says.

[00:15:53] Much of the opening material in oral form.

[00:15:57] So not specifically what was written down.

[00:15:59] Okay.

[00:16:00] But like the general opening, the, the kind of the gist.

[00:16:04] Got it.

[00:16:05] Yeah.

[00:16:05] It goes back to him.

[00:16:06] Okay.

[00:16:07] The latter collection of sayings and individual accounts, however, was probably done in Judah

[00:16:13] at a much later date.

[00:16:15] Got it.

[00:16:16] So they had, they, they don't have a specific idea as to what those timeframes were.

[00:16:20] Nope.

[00:16:21] Nope.

[00:16:21] Just later.

[00:16:23] Got it.

[00:16:23] And that shows too, because like in the, in the first few chapters, we're talking about

[00:16:30] the, the fact that the Israelites were cheating on Yahweh and you know their kids were named

[00:16:40] after bad things and that's sad.

[00:16:44] And so Hosehead needed to marry the whore Gomer and then he needed to like forgive her just

[00:16:52] like God's going to do and all that.

[00:16:53] Right.

[00:16:54] And like the whole thing was like this metaphorical story.

[00:16:56] Yeah.

[00:16:57] And then like the next chapter, like we got, we read a few chapters of that and then the

[00:17:02] next chapter was like, oh, we're not talking about that anymore.

[00:17:04] Right.

[00:17:04] With no warning.

[00:17:05] Yeah.

[00:17:06] And it was just, oh, we're going back to like old school fire and brimstone, but worse.

[00:17:11] Right.

[00:17:12] Like what the fuck?

[00:17:13] Yeah.

[00:17:14] So yeah, it's, it's old stuff.

[00:17:16] All right.

[00:17:17] So let's talk a little bit about the prophet Hosehead, which we've talked about him before.

[00:17:22] Yeah.

[00:17:22] Obviously this is his book.

[00:17:24] Right.

[00:17:24] He prophesied during the worst of Israel's history.

[00:17:27] The Northern Kingdom's decline and fall in the eighth century BCE.

[00:17:32] I take some issue with that because the Babylonian exile happened and we're saying this is the

[00:17:37] worst of Israel's history.

[00:17:39] Well, it's when the Northern Kingdom, it was their decline and fall.

[00:17:43] Yeah.

[00:17:43] But they fell.

[00:17:44] The rest of what was Israel got scattered, smothered, covered as you would say.

[00:17:49] Yes.

[00:17:49] But that's not the Northern Kingdom.

[00:17:51] This is the Northern.

[00:17:53] All right.

[00:17:53] All right.

[00:17:54] All right.

[00:17:54] And I guess you're right.

[00:17:56] To be fair, none of them ever came back to their former tribe states.

[00:18:00] So yeah, that was pretty much the end of the Northern Kingdoms.

[00:18:03] Right.

[00:18:04] So, I mean.

[00:18:04] For all intents and purposes.

[00:18:06] The Southern part, you know, they did have some shit, but they came back from it.

[00:18:10] So yeah, not as dark as being like swallowed all together.

[00:18:13] Yeah.

[00:18:14] That's fair.

[00:18:15] That's fair.

[00:18:15] The people's abandonment of faith was rampant, having turned away from God in order to serve

[00:18:20] both the calves of Jeroboam and the Canaanite gods Baal and Asherah.

[00:18:26] Now, I just want to point out one more time that the calves of Jeroboam or whatever were

[00:18:31] actually a, it was a type of Yahweh.

[00:18:35] An alternate practice and worship of Yahweh.

[00:18:36] Right.

[00:18:37] Yeah.

[00:18:37] Right.

[00:18:37] Because we did cover that at one point.

[00:18:39] Which I still find fascinating as all hell.

[00:18:42] Yeah.

[00:18:43] Same here.

[00:18:44] But that was like, even back there was calves in the Bible.

[00:18:49] Yeah.

[00:18:49] With Aaron.

[00:18:50] Yeah.

[00:18:50] Back when Moses was around.

[00:18:52] Yeah.

[00:18:52] Right.

[00:18:52] And Aaron was a big character, right?

[00:18:54] Yeah.

[00:18:55] He comes down from the mountain and what does Aaron have there?

[00:18:58] He's got a fucking golden calf.

[00:18:59] Yeah.

[00:18:59] Right?

[00:19:00] Yeah.

[00:19:00] So, obviously, there was some sentiment that this God was in cahoots with this calf idol.

[00:19:08] Yeah.

[00:19:09] Right?

[00:19:09] Yeah.

[00:19:09] But it was a separate idea that didn't truck with this sect of Judaism.

[00:19:15] Yeah.

[00:19:16] It was two different groups, two different tribes of Israelites arguing about how to properly

[00:19:23] worship whatever you want to call this God.

[00:19:27] Right.

[00:19:27] And some obviously thought that a calf should be included.

[00:19:31] Right.

[00:19:32] And obviously the other ones didn't and they kind of went out.

[00:19:36] Kind of is a very light word for what happened.

[00:19:40] Right.

[00:19:40] But yeah.

[00:19:41] Okay.

[00:19:42] Yeah.

[00:19:43] What I find interesting is that in India, cows are holy creatures that you cannot eat.

[00:19:48] They are.

[00:19:49] To some.

[00:19:51] Right.

[00:19:51] There are many religions in India.

[00:19:52] No, you're right.

[00:19:53] You're right.

[00:19:53] So I don't want to say that across the board.

[00:19:54] It's not normalizing, but it's my understanding as a very, very ignorant American that cows

[00:20:01] are holy creatures in India and that.

[00:20:03] Right.

[00:20:04] Generally speaking, like you, you don't rush them in the road.

[00:20:08] Like when you come to the, you're driving and a bunch of them walk in front of the road,

[00:20:12] you, you don't rush them because they're holy creatures.

[00:20:15] Right.

[00:20:15] You gotta let them pass and you can't strike them with your car.

[00:20:19] And yeah.

[00:20:20] Yeah.

[00:20:20] It's a, so I just looked it up just to make sure it's Hinduism.

[00:20:23] That is the ones that, that worship or, or find them sacred at least for cows.

[00:20:29] Yeah.

[00:20:29] So I, and I don't want to get into it more than that because I don't really know much

[00:20:32] more about that.

[00:20:33] I am actually very intrigued with Hinduism because there's so much going on over there.

[00:20:38] Right.

[00:20:38] And I would love to get into it at some point, but we're, we've got, we've got way too

[00:20:42] much just in Christianity and Judaism.

[00:20:44] Yeah.

[00:20:44] Yeah.

[00:20:44] I just have to believe that given the proximity that it's, it came from a similar source.

[00:20:50] Sure.

[00:20:51] It had to have.

[00:20:52] I mean, I think a lot of ideas in ancient times came from similar sources.

[00:20:56] They were, they were cows were, were something that fed and nourished a lot of people.

[00:21:03] Right.

[00:21:03] That, I mean, even in Genesis, they, they mentioned livestock as one of the first opening things.

[00:21:08] Right.

[00:21:09] So these, these animals that provided for these societies were really, really fucking important.

[00:21:16] Yeah.

[00:21:16] You know, and they don't have, it's, it's not separate from them.

[00:21:20] You know, at that time, like now when we eat a hamburger or whatever, or drink milk,

[00:21:25] it's completely, we don't see that cow ever.

[00:21:28] And there, pass it in the country.

[00:21:30] There are people who don't tell their children that they're eating cow meat.

[00:21:34] Right.

[00:21:35] Like that's a cow you're putting in your mouth.

[00:21:37] Right.

[00:21:37] And then like the kid finds out in like middle school, oh my God, before they put it together.

[00:21:43] Yeah.

[00:21:43] And you know, then it's too late.

[00:21:44] They can't be vegetarian then.

[00:21:46] Back then they would have slaughtered it right there or even at the ceremony for their church

[00:21:50] or whatever, you know, like those are things that happened in front of everybody.

[00:21:54] Right.

[00:21:54] And as a matter of the normal course of a day.

[00:21:57] So that stuff was very prevalent and important to them.

[00:22:02] Anyway, that I'm done with that.

[00:22:04] Okay.

[00:22:05] Yeah.

[00:22:05] We can move along.

[00:22:06] Move along.

[00:22:08] Other sins followed besides, you know, all the worshiping of them cows and shit.

[00:22:14] Yeah.

[00:22:15] The book claims that those other sins included homicide, perjury, theft, and sexual deviation.

[00:22:22] And I'm sure those things never happened in the other places.

[00:22:25] No, no, no.

[00:22:26] Just there.

[00:22:27] Yeah.

[00:22:28] Hosea declares that unless they repent of these sins, God will allow their nation to be destroyed.

[00:22:34] Right.

[00:22:34] He's going to, he's going to have them murdered for murdering people.

[00:22:37] Yeah.

[00:22:38] And kind of like when you spank a kid for them hitting somebody.

[00:22:41] And you say that there's, there's a, they say that these things were happening.

[00:22:46] Right.

[00:22:46] But in the book of Hosea where we, that we read mostly the thing that he was complaining about was idol worship.

[00:22:52] Yeah.

[00:22:53] It wasn't these other things.

[00:22:54] The biggest hangup was idol worship.

[00:22:56] Yeah.

[00:22:56] And he was going to murder people because of idol worship.

[00:22:59] Because they were not worshiping him.

[00:23:01] Right.

[00:23:01] Now you can imply that because they're worshiping something like Baal or whatever, there might be child sacrifice going on.

[00:23:08] There might be murder things going on.

[00:23:10] There might be other things happening.

[00:23:11] But as far as the perjury and theft, that was not anything that, that was really brought up.

[00:23:16] I feel like that's just like, yeah, they were bad people.

[00:23:18] They probably did all these things.

[00:23:20] Sure.

[00:23:20] Right.

[00:23:20] Sure, sure, sure.

[00:23:21] But it doesn't say that in the Bible.

[00:23:22] Right.

[00:23:22] Right.

[00:23:22] And I just wanted to point out one more time.

[00:23:24] Idols.

[00:23:25] Yes.

[00:23:25] That is what he's pissed off about.

[00:23:27] Idols, idols, idols.

[00:23:28] Yeah.

[00:23:28] Not me.

[00:23:29] Somebody else.

[00:23:30] That sucks.

[00:23:30] You're dead.

[00:23:31] Right.

[00:23:32] Yeah.

[00:23:32] Wow.

[00:23:32] That escalated quickly.

[00:23:34] And that is the biggest theme of why he punishes his people throughout the Bible.

[00:23:40] Yes.

[00:23:40] So far.

[00:23:41] So far.

[00:23:41] Yeah.

[00:23:43] Hosea declares that, and oh, I already read that.

[00:23:45] Blah, blah, blah.

[00:23:46] Oh, he declares that unless they repent of these sins, that God will allow their nation

[00:23:51] to be destroyed, which is what happens.

[00:23:53] Mm-hmm.

[00:23:53] And the people will be taken into captivity by Assyria, which happens.

[00:23:58] Which happens, right?

[00:23:58] Yeah.

[00:23:58] And Assyria was the greatest nation of that time.

[00:24:01] Sure.

[00:24:01] The prophecy of Hosea centers on God's unending love towards a sinful Israel and God's agony

[00:24:11] over his people's betrayal.

[00:24:13] So he's like, oh, I'm so sad that I'm murdering you and letting your entire northern kingdom

[00:24:19] get swallowed up by these other cultures.

[00:24:21] I'm going to cry all night.

[00:24:23] Yeah.

[00:24:24] That I let that happen.

[00:24:25] It's no wonder that we have such a problem with Christians being so, they feel like they're

[00:24:33] shit on by everybody, right?

[00:24:34] Yeah.

[00:24:35] It's built into, like their God shits on them.

[00:24:38] Yeah.

[00:24:38] Right?

[00:24:38] Like they just think that their whole mentality is being shit on.

[00:24:42] That's their whole existence.

[00:24:44] Well, okay.

[00:24:44] There's like the trope of the Jewish people have a guilty conscience, like much like Catholics

[00:24:55] have a guilty conscience.

[00:24:56] Like there's this whole trope that applies to both of them, right?

[00:24:59] Okay.

[00:25:00] That they're like always feeling like that A, their God is putting upon them and B, that

[00:25:08] everybody else is trying to get them and see that, you know, they, they need to apologize

[00:25:15] preemptively.

[00:25:16] Right?

[00:25:16] Like that's a trope.

[00:25:17] Okay.

[00:25:19] The difference being that they're like, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry.

[00:25:23] Whereas the Christians are like, I'm put upon and that pisses me off and I'm going to

[00:25:27] punch you in the fucking eye.

[00:25:29] Right.

[00:25:30] Like, whoa, calm your tits there, Christians.

[00:25:32] Yeah.

[00:25:33] You know?

[00:25:33] Yeah.

[00:25:34] And that's the difference I see between the two is the reaction to the perceived built

[00:25:39] in.

[00:25:40] I want to take a step back because I think, you know, the part of you is right about the,

[00:25:44] um, the Catholic faith, but the, the, the strongest people that are kind of crappy to

[00:25:52] me online right now are actually Catholic.

[00:25:55] Oh yeah.

[00:25:56] There's a strong, there's a strong Christian nationalist thread.

[00:26:00] That's kind of weaving its way into the, the, the Catholic faith.

[00:26:04] It's interesting to me because growing up, I never knew people's religions or anything.

[00:26:11] And I never heard any, um, anti-Semitism or anything.

[00:26:15] Yeah.

[00:26:15] The first time I saw it in person, like I did not realize it was a thing that happened.

[00:26:20] Right.

[00:26:20] Because I never saw it with my own eyes.

[00:26:22] I never heard people complaining about it.

[00:26:24] Right.

[00:26:25] It just, I didn't realize it was present.

[00:26:27] Yeah.

[00:26:28] And why, why would it be right?

[00:26:29] Right.

[00:26:29] It doesn't make sense to me.

[00:26:31] But okay.

[00:26:32] And then, um, the first time that I ever actually witnessed anti-Semitism in per in person.

[00:26:38] Yeah.

[00:26:38] Um, I belonged to a crafting group and the majority of the ladies there went to mass on

[00:26:45] Sundays and like, they were very, very involved in the Catholic church.

[00:26:49] Right.

[00:26:49] And I don't remember who in particular they were discussing.

[00:26:54] It was probably a political figure.

[00:26:57] Sure.

[00:26:57] And the two ladies that were running the group, they just threw it out.

[00:27:04] Like it was nothing like, well, they are Jewish.

[00:27:07] Right.

[00:27:08] And I like my jaw just like dropped.

[00:27:10] Like I had never, and I was like, oh, that's what that is.

[00:27:16] I didn't know.

[00:27:18] And like after that, um, cause yes, shamefully I did keep attending the craft session.

[00:27:23] I mean, it was a great craft.

[00:27:25] I'm just, I'm just saying.

[00:27:27] Um, it, and it wasn't long for the world after that, the group did fizzle out.

[00:27:31] Right.

[00:27:32] But, um, as I went after that and politics were getting more and more heated at the time,

[00:27:39] I started hearing it more and more and more.

[00:27:43] And that's when I realized that, oh my God, this is a thing.

[00:27:47] Like this actually is a thing.

[00:27:50] And I, I could not wrap my brain around it.

[00:27:52] Like, yeah.

[00:27:53] Um, Christians pretend that they love Judaism when it behooves them to do so because they

[00:28:03] hate the Muslims more than the Jews, but Catholics are just straight up.

[00:28:09] No, we just don't like Jews at all.

[00:28:11] And I'm like, holy shit.

[00:28:12] All y'all.

[00:28:13] Right.

[00:28:13] Like y'all are all nasty.

[00:28:15] Yeah.

[00:28:16] Wow.

[00:28:17] And like, when you see the, um, the boys in khaki with their like little light posts and

[00:28:23] they're screaming Jews will not replace us.

[00:28:25] I'm always like, you're all, what, what are you?

[00:28:30] Who are you?

[00:28:31] Right.

[00:28:31] Where did you come from?

[00:28:32] How did that happen?

[00:28:34] What?

[00:28:35] Yeah.

[00:28:35] I don't understand.

[00:28:36] I don't like who's trying to replace what who I don't, I don't understand.

[00:28:42] Like, okay.

[00:28:43] You're all men or young men boys and you're all wearing khakis.

[00:28:49] So, you know, y'all went shopping together.

[00:28:51] So you have friends and you're all screaming about being replaced.

[00:28:56] But I'm like, but you're white though.

[00:28:58] Nobody's replacing you.

[00:28:59] You're literally at the top of the chain.

[00:29:02] It's really easy to inspire through hate.

[00:29:05] It's, it's, it's just, it's, that's, that's why that, that is, that is the entire reason.

[00:29:10] Hate sells.

[00:29:13] Hate sells.

[00:29:13] And, you know, it's, it's one of the, the biggest downfalls of our society right now,

[00:29:19] because that it's, it's becoming more and more prevalent that people are pitching hate

[00:29:25] because they know that it will sell.

[00:29:27] Click bait.

[00:29:28] Oh yeah.

[00:29:29] Feelings.

[00:29:29] Yeah.

[00:29:29] Yeah.

[00:29:30] Yeah.

[00:29:30] I mean, we have whole news, you know, stations dedicated to hate.

[00:29:35] News in quotes.

[00:29:35] Right.

[00:29:36] Yeah.

[00:29:36] In quotes.

[00:29:36] Because in court, they are not, they admit that they are not news.

[00:29:41] So I have to put that in quotes.

[00:29:44] Definitely.

[00:29:44] So Hosea prophesied over the course of around 66 years, from 790 to about 724 BCE, and thus

[00:29:53] served eight years in the reign of Jeroboam, 33 years in the reign of Uzziah, the whole reigns

[00:30:00] of both Jotham and Ahaz, and three years in the reign of Hezekiah.

[00:30:05] Okay.

[00:30:06] So he had a lot of kings come and go in his lifetime.

[00:30:08] Yeah.

[00:30:09] He would not, however, have survived the taking of Samaria.

[00:30:13] And Hosea's message did influence later prophets such as Jeremiah.

[00:30:17] Got it.

[00:30:18] Okay.

[00:30:18] Yep.

[00:30:19] All right.

[00:30:20] Now we get into, I created this legend, and there's four keys.

[00:30:27] Okay.

[00:30:28] Okay.

[00:30:28] There's a devil face, which when I put that at the end of a note means God is saying, I'm

[00:30:35] going to get you.

[00:30:36] Okay.

[00:30:36] Yeah.

[00:30:37] There's a Pinocchio nose, which means someday I'll love you, but this is not that day.

[00:30:43] There's a sad face with a tear, and that means y'all fucking suck.

[00:30:47] That happened a lot.

[00:30:49] Yeah.

[00:30:49] And then there's a heart that says, blessings upon you right fucking now.

[00:30:53] Those were usually at the end of the chapter.

[00:30:54] Yeah.

[00:30:55] Yeah.

[00:30:55] All right.

[00:30:56] So chapter one gets a Pinocchio.

[00:30:58] That was the someday I'll love you, but this is not that day.

[00:31:01] Right.

[00:31:02] Okay.

[00:31:02] Chapter one was God instructs Hosea to marry a prostitute, Gomer, as a symbolic act of

[00:31:08] Israel's unfaithfulness to him.

[00:31:10] Hosea and Gomer have three children, each given symbolic names reflecting God's judgment

[00:31:14] on Israel.

[00:31:15] And then he finishes out the chapter by telling them like, you kind of suck, but there's a

[00:31:22] remnant.

[00:31:22] I'll save some of you.

[00:31:24] Okay.

[00:31:24] So moving into chapter two, I have three faces here.

[00:31:28] Okay.

[00:31:29] Okay.

[00:31:29] I've got y'all fucking suck.

[00:31:31] I'm going to get you.

[00:31:33] And oh, someday I'll love you, but this is not that day.

[00:31:37] Okay.

[00:31:38] Chapter two is God outlines Israel's infidelity through metaphors of Gomer's adultery.

[00:31:44] And he again punishes or threatens punishment.

[00:31:47] Yeah.

[00:31:47] Okay.

[00:31:47] Yeah.

[00:31:47] So just give me.

[00:31:49] It's a, it's a, it's a theme.

[00:31:50] I mean, those were the four things that appeared throughout these chapters.

[00:31:54] Right.

[00:31:55] Yeah.

[00:31:55] It's a theme.

[00:31:56] And I decided going forward, I'm going to carry these, these little things to help me

[00:32:02] more easily categorize.

[00:32:04] Oh, this chapter was where he hated them again.

[00:32:07] We should, we should have like a tally in the, in the episode notes that shows like

[00:32:12] how many of these we had and how many of that.

[00:32:14] Yeah.

[00:32:14] I agree.

[00:32:15] I agree.

[00:32:16] Right.

[00:32:16] All right.

[00:32:17] Chapter three is a Pinocchio, which is someday I'll love you, but this is not that day.

[00:32:24] Right.

[00:32:24] Yeah.

[00:32:25] God tells Hosea to love Gomer again, despite her infidelity, which is supposed to mirror

[00:32:30] God's continued love for Israel.

[00:32:32] Hosea redeems her signifying God's plan to redeem Israel after a period of separation.

[00:32:38] Yeah.

[00:32:39] And he's like, Oh, Israel, you done been fucking up, but you're so cute.

[00:32:45] One day you'll be good.

[00:32:46] Yeah.

[00:32:46] We just need to take a break.

[00:32:47] Yeah.

[00:32:47] I might love you someday.

[00:32:49] Right.

[00:32:49] Okay.

[00:32:50] So number four, I have two of the, um, uh, icons.

[00:32:55] Um, we've got the sad face.

[00:32:57] Y'all fucking suck.

[00:32:58] And then we've got the devil face, which is I'm a fucking getcha.

[00:33:02] I'm a getcha.

[00:33:03] Yeah.

[00:33:04] Okay.

[00:33:04] So chapter four was God brings charges against Israel, accusing the people of lacking faithfulness,

[00:33:12] love and knowledge of him.

[00:33:14] I'm going to tell you, you need to keep track of that word.

[00:33:16] Knowledge.

[00:33:17] No knowledge of him.

[00:33:18] Well, yeah, we talked about that a lot because how could they?

[00:33:23] Right.

[00:33:23] Knowledge of him.

[00:33:24] I'm giving you a hint though, about a question that may or may not come up on the pop quiz.

[00:33:29] Tomorrow.

[00:33:30] Tomorrow.

[00:33:31] Yeah.

[00:33:31] All right.

[00:33:32] Um, the land suffers land suffers as a result of their sin with widespread idolatry and immorality.

[00:33:42] Priests and leaders are also held accountable for leading the people astray, which is kind

[00:33:47] of cool.

[00:33:47] At least, you know, he's not just yelling at the bottom tier.

[00:33:50] He's also yelling at those at the top.

[00:33:52] So.

[00:33:52] Yeah, I guess.

[00:33:53] Mm hmm.

[00:33:54] I, it still doesn't sit well with me, but.

[00:33:57] Well, chapter five has the same theme as the previous chapter.

[00:34:02] Oh, I might love you one day, but this is not that day.

[00:34:05] Y'all fucking suck.

[00:34:06] I'm gonna getcha.

[00:34:07] Right.

[00:34:08] Yeah.

[00:34:08] Yeah.

[00:34:09] God announces judgment on Israel and Judah for their pride, idolatry and reliance on

[00:34:14] foreign alliances instead of him.

[00:34:17] Like, how dare you turn to Egypt and Assyria?

[00:34:21] Motherfuckers.

[00:34:22] Or necessity so that you try not to get, you know, demolished by them.

[00:34:26] How dare you get squished in the cleavage of these two great mighty breasticle nations?

[00:34:32] I think it's, I think it's kind of funny, not funny, but the, they complain a lot throughout

[00:34:40] about how they cheated people and did different things and how they were really rich.

[00:34:46] But none of that matters when they got taken over anyway.

[00:34:48] Right.

[00:34:49] Right.

[00:34:49] I don't know.

[00:34:49] It just struck me that way.

[00:34:51] So they seek help from Assyria, which makes sense, but it will not save them.

[00:34:57] Womp womp.

[00:34:58] The chapter ends with God withdrawing from them until they earnestly seek his face.

[00:35:03] He's like, I'm not coming back till you love me again.

[00:35:06] And they're like, bitch, bye.

[00:35:07] I mean, yeah, it basically never happens the way he wants it to.

[00:35:10] So.

[00:35:11] Right.

[00:35:12] So, um, chapter six is the sad phase, which is again, y'all fucking suck.

[00:35:18] Okay.

[00:35:18] Yeah.

[00:35:19] Israel expresses a desire to return to the Lord, but God responds that their repentance

[00:35:24] is superficial, like morning mist, which is interesting because we liked the word do.

[00:35:30] Right.

[00:35:31] Right.

[00:35:31] In our reading.

[00:35:32] Yeah.

[00:35:33] But this.

[00:35:33] And then later God.

[00:35:35] Do is good.

[00:35:36] Do is good.

[00:35:37] Yeah.

[00:35:37] Do.

[00:35:38] God did.

[00:35:39] Yeah.

[00:35:39] Yeah.

[00:35:41] He desires steadfast love, our God and perpetual fear of God rather than the sacrifices and

[00:35:47] offerings of a people's shallow faith.

[00:35:51] Yeah.

[00:35:52] All right.

[00:35:52] Chapter seven.

[00:35:53] I have to stop you there.

[00:35:54] Yeah.

[00:35:54] That's still a theme today.

[00:35:56] People love to be like, well, those just aren't real Christians.

[00:36:00] Yeah.

[00:36:00] They, they don't believe correctly, you know?

[00:36:04] Yeah.

[00:36:04] So it, there, there's like two camps.

[00:36:06] You're either like not at all on board or you're not a real Christian or a real worshiper

[00:36:11] of whatever God, like you just don't believe strongly enough or you don't believe at all.

[00:36:17] Either way, you suck worse than I do.

[00:36:19] Sure.

[00:36:20] Yeah.

[00:36:20] And I'm always the best, whoever I happen to be.

[00:36:24] Right.

[00:36:24] And then it disallows you from arguing with them because they're like, yeah, I don't care

[00:36:29] what that person said.

[00:36:30] They suck.

[00:36:30] You've already been dismissed.

[00:36:32] Oh, well, okay.

[00:36:33] So you, you, there is no information that you will take in.

[00:36:37] That's going to mean anything to you other than what you already know.

[00:36:40] Yeah.

[00:36:40] It's like they've stuck their fingers in their ears and went, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:36:43] I can't hear you.

[00:36:45] Essentially.

[00:36:45] That's it.

[00:36:46] Yeah.

[00:36:46] And it, it's rather childish and silly, but it's also like, okay, I, I can accept that.

[00:36:52] Then I will move on from you.

[00:36:54] It is absolutely childish.

[00:36:55] Right.

[00:36:56] Yeah.

[00:36:56] All right.

[00:36:57] Hosea seven is the same thing.

[00:36:59] Y'all fucking suck.

[00:37:01] God condemns Israel for their ongoing wickedness, including lying, deceit and alliances with foreign

[00:37:07] nations.

[00:37:08] Not that.

[00:37:09] Despite their suffering, they were fused to turn to God.

[00:37:13] Their hearts are compared to an overheated oven inflamed by their sinful passions and political

[00:37:18] intrigue.

[00:37:19] And then I added, what a pancake.

[00:37:24] Chapter eight is y'all fucking suck.

[00:37:26] I'm going to get you.

[00:37:27] Okay.

[00:37:28] All right.

[00:37:29] Israel's rebellion leads to judgment as they have set up kings without God's approval and

[00:37:34] worshiped idols, particularly the calf idol in Samaria.

[00:37:39] God warns that they will reap the whirlwind, a metaphor for the chaos their actions will bring.

[00:37:44] Right.

[00:37:45] Their trust in foreign alliances and false gods will lead to their destruction.

[00:37:49] And then it does.

[00:37:51] Sure.

[00:37:51] Sure.

[00:37:52] I, again, the, these prophets know these things are happening.

[00:37:56] Yeah.

[00:37:56] Like it's not, it's not.

[00:37:57] Political.

[00:37:58] Yeah.

[00:37:59] It's politics.

[00:38:00] It's written on the fucking walls, you know?

[00:38:03] So this chapter, chapter nine, we have a little bit of a switch instead of the previous

[00:38:09] two chapters where y'all fucking suck.

[00:38:12] I'm going to get you.

[00:38:13] Now it's, I'm going to get you.

[00:38:15] Y'all fucking suck.

[00:38:18] God declares that Israel will face exile because of their sin, particularly their unfaithfulness

[00:38:24] and worship and failure to recognize his blessings.

[00:38:27] The people's religious festivals will cease and they will experience barrenness and loss.

[00:38:33] Oh no.

[00:38:34] Judgment is coming and they will return to slavery in Egypt and Assyria.

[00:38:37] Yeah.

[00:38:38] I see.

[00:38:38] Okay.

[00:38:39] Okay.

[00:38:40] All right.

[00:38:40] Chapter 10.

[00:38:41] We're back to the standard formula.

[00:38:43] Y'all fucking suck.

[00:38:44] I'm going to get you.

[00:38:46] Israel is compared to a luxuriant vine that produces fruit for itself, symbolizing their

[00:38:53] selfishness and idolatry.

[00:38:54] Oh yeah.

[00:38:55] Don't grow things for yourself.

[00:38:56] That would be horrible.

[00:38:57] Fucking wine.

[00:38:58] Right?

[00:38:58] Grape vines.

[00:39:00] As you're drinking wine.

[00:39:01] I know.

[00:39:01] That is kind of funny.

[00:39:03] God will break down their altars and sacred stones as part of his judgment.

[00:39:08] The chapter ends with a call to sow righteousness and seek the Lord.

[00:39:13] Yeah.

[00:39:14] But the people continue to trust in their own strength.

[00:39:17] Oh no.

[00:39:18] They trust in whatever they need to trust in.

[00:39:21] Sure.

[00:39:21] Because survival is probably pretty paramount to them.

[00:39:25] You know?

[00:39:26] I would imagine.

[00:39:27] Living is kind of good.

[00:39:28] I enjoy living.

[00:39:30] Right.

[00:39:30] And I can't imagine that in those days, 3,000 whatever years ago, that life was real

[00:39:38] easy.

[00:39:38] Yeah.

[00:39:39] It was probably pretty fucking hard.

[00:39:41] So.

[00:39:41] All right.

[00:39:42] Well, chapter 11, we have a Pinocchio nose.

[00:39:46] Yeah.

[00:39:46] Remember what that one is?

[00:39:48] God says he's going to love him someday or something like that.

[00:39:51] But this is not that day.

[00:39:52] That's not that day.

[00:39:52] Yeah.

[00:39:53] But also, it's because y'all fucking suck!

[00:39:56] Right.

[00:39:57] God recalls his tender love for Israel, my endless love.

[00:40:03] I just, he keeps referring to this love that he had for them.

[00:40:07] Right?

[00:40:07] It's like the MAGA crowd, make America great again.

[00:40:11] Mm-hmm.

[00:40:11] When was that?

[00:40:13] Right.

[00:40:13] Exactly.

[00:40:14] Which exact timeframe?

[00:40:16] When did that happen?

[00:40:17] Right.

[00:40:18] Because I want to know which decade, you know, century, whatever he would, when are you

[00:40:26] talking about?

[00:40:26] When did you love them?

[00:40:27] Right.

[00:40:28] Or is it just always love mixed with hate?

[00:40:30] Because that's how it feels.

[00:40:31] Mm-hmm.

[00:40:31] It feels like you constantly have them teetering on this, you know, precipice of, you know,

[00:40:38] hate and love.

[00:40:39] Precipice.

[00:40:40] Precipice.

[00:40:41] Yeah.

[00:40:41] Sorry, I said that completely wrong.

[00:40:42] Yeah.

[00:40:43] That thing.

[00:40:44] Cliff edge.

[00:40:45] Yeah, that thing.

[00:40:45] The one thing.

[00:40:46] That place.

[00:40:47] Yeah.

[00:40:47] But they're always right there.

[00:40:49] It's always love, hate, love, hate, love, hate.

[00:40:51] They're like one, six feet from the edge and, how's that song going?

[00:40:57] I know, I knew what you were getting at, but I don't remember exactly how it goes, so.

[00:41:03] I think it's Nickelback, too.

[00:41:04] Probably is.

[00:41:04] Which is funny.

[00:41:05] So.

[00:41:05] All right.

[00:41:06] So that was 11.

[00:41:08] Now we move on to chapter 12.

[00:41:10] And that one is, I will love you one day, but this is not that day.

[00:41:15] Because you fucking suck.

[00:41:17] Okay.

[00:41:17] Right.

[00:41:17] God rebukes Israel for their deceit and reliance on foreign nations.

[00:41:21] Again, some more.

[00:41:22] Always.

[00:41:23] Using Jacob's story as a contrast.

[00:41:25] Remember Jacob?

[00:41:26] I do.

[00:41:27] He calls Israel to return to the Lord and practice love and justice.

[00:41:32] Ephra is denounced for dishonesty in business and idol worship, leading to inevitable punishment.

[00:41:39] Yeah.

[00:41:40] Inevitable.

[00:41:40] It seems that's always the case.

[00:41:42] Yeah.

[00:41:43] Well, here we go again.

[00:41:45] Okay.

[00:41:45] Chapter 13.

[00:41:47] I will love you someday, but this is not that day.

[00:41:50] Because you fucking suck!

[00:41:51] Right.

[00:41:52] God recalls Israel's past faithfulness and how they prospered, but now in their arrogance

[00:41:58] they have forgotten him.

[00:41:59] Whomp, whomp.

[00:42:00] Yeah.

[00:42:00] Yeah.

[00:42:01] Holy God, God.

[00:42:02] Yeah.

[00:42:02] They turn to idols, which leads to their downfall.

[00:42:05] The chapter ends with a vivid description of the coming judgment.

[00:42:10] Yeah.

[00:42:10] Is that the one that had the...

[00:42:12] I can't remember if that was the one that had the...

[00:42:14] where they ripped open people and kids against...

[00:42:18] You know, I'm not getting too visual into it, but...

[00:42:20] Yes.

[00:42:20] Yes.

[00:42:21] That was pretty terrible.

[00:42:23] And well, I mean, God tells them that he will destroy them like a lion or leopard.

[00:42:27] Right.

[00:42:28] And how?

[00:42:28] Yeah.

[00:42:29] You know?

[00:42:29] Yeah.

[00:42:29] And then, last chapter of the book, we end strong with a, I will love you someday, but

[00:42:36] today is not that day.

[00:42:37] Right.

[00:42:38] Okay?

[00:42:38] And that...

[00:42:39] It was actually...

[00:42:40] Right.

[00:42:41] It ended on a note of hope-ish, as long as you worship God the way that God wants you

[00:42:48] to worship him.

[00:42:48] Yeah.

[00:42:49] Right?

[00:42:49] Yeah.

[00:42:49] Which never happens.

[00:42:51] Right.

[00:42:52] Ever.

[00:42:52] Because who the fuck can worship somebody the way you want them to worship him if he doesn't

[00:42:56] talk to anybody, and he only talks to like some random dude.

[00:42:59] Right.

[00:43:00] That makes no fucking sense.

[00:43:02] It makes no fucking sense.

[00:43:03] The final chapter offers a message of hope and repentance.

[00:43:07] God calls Israel to return to him with sincere hearts.

[00:43:11] And in return, he promises healing, love, and restoration.

[00:43:14] Yeah.

[00:43:15] The chapter concludes with an invitation for those who are wise to understand God's ways,

[00:43:20] which lead to life and blessing.

[00:43:22] But we know that doesn't happen.

[00:43:24] They die.

[00:43:25] Right.

[00:43:25] And moreover, you don't get judged individually.

[00:43:28] You get judged based on your king and the people that are in charge and whatever your

[00:43:31] society at the time is doing because he'll destroy a whole swaths of people because that

[00:43:37] group of people doesn't worship him the way he wants them to.

[00:43:40] And yes, he will redeem some of them.

[00:43:42] But even then, he says sometimes, depending on which prophet we're talking about, that they

[00:43:47] didn't necessarily deserve to be redeemed.

[00:43:50] He's just changing their hearts and going to send them back to whatever.

[00:43:52] Yeah.

[00:43:53] He's all kinds of fucked up and wrong.

[00:43:54] And if you're women, children, or slaves, you have very little choice in who you worship,

[00:44:02] when and how.

[00:44:03] Right.

[00:44:03] Right.

[00:44:03] Like, you're fucked.

[00:44:05] Yeah.

[00:44:06] So...

[00:44:06] One thing that always struck me with religion is that, and this is something that made me

[00:44:12] think about the reasons for religion and made me not want to pursue it, right?

[00:44:18] And that's that religion seems to always hit people at their lowest point, right?

[00:44:24] Mm-hmm.

[00:44:24] Like, and that's one of those things where, you know, even just individually, people will

[00:44:29] come up to someone who is downtrodden and be like, have you thought, have you read the

[00:44:33] Bible today?

[00:44:33] Have you thought about Jesus today?

[00:44:35] You know, I'm really praying for you.

[00:44:37] You know, these are things they...

[00:44:38] Mm-hmm.

[00:44:39] ...the Christians in our society, they prey on the downtrodden.

[00:44:43] Yeah.

[00:44:44] Because they know...

[00:44:45] That's...

[00:44:45] That's the time to hit them.

[00:44:46] Yeah.

[00:44:47] Right?

[00:44:47] And more than that, it's built into systems like AA, for example, right?

[00:44:53] Yeah.

[00:44:53] Yeah.

[00:44:53] It's a 12-step program that involves God.

[00:44:55] Mm-hmm.

[00:44:56] Now, it's not necessarily the Christian God, but there is a lot of, you know...

[00:45:01] The majority of them actually are based on the Christian God.

[00:45:04] The majority of them are the Christian God.

[00:45:06] The Christian God.

[00:45:06] It doesn't have to be the Christian God.

[00:45:08] Right.

[00:45:09] Anyway, that...

[00:45:09] But they take people when they are at their lowest and they institute these things to

[00:45:14] indoctrinate them...

[00:45:15] Yep.

[00:45:15] ...either back in or in for the first time into these systems...

[00:45:18] Yep.

[00:45:18] ...that then create a new follower.

[00:45:21] Mm-hmm.

[00:45:22] And why...

[00:45:23] Why wouldn't you take the person who is succeeding and say, oh, God must be treating you right?

[00:45:28] It's because they don't give a fuck.

[00:45:30] Right.

[00:45:31] They don't...

[00:45:31] They're not going to see it because it doesn't have any...

[00:45:34] Like, I'm doing just fine.

[00:45:36] Mm-hmm.

[00:45:36] What do you mean God did this for me?

[00:45:37] Yeah.

[00:45:38] Fuck you.

[00:45:38] Yeah.

[00:45:39] Right?

[00:45:39] I work hard to get where I'm at kind of thing.

[00:45:42] Right.

[00:45:42] But you don't go up to the person who's downtrodden and say, well, God punished you because you

[00:45:46] must have fucking deserved it.

[00:45:47] I mean...

[00:45:47] That's not what they say.

[00:45:48] Unless it's, you know, the hurricane victims or...

[00:45:52] Right.

[00:45:52] No, we kind of...

[00:45:53] Yeah, we had that chat in our special episode.

[00:45:55] But generally on an individual basis, you don't go up to the downtrodden person and say,

[00:45:59] you must suck.

[00:46:00] God must have punished you on purpose.

[00:46:02] Right?

[00:46:02] Generally.

[00:46:03] Right.

[00:46:03] You try to take that person and say, there's hope in God.

[00:46:06] Right?

[00:46:07] Yeah.

[00:46:07] And that's how they draw them in.

[00:46:09] It's not...

[00:46:11] It's very nefarious in my opinion on how that whole thing works.

[00:46:17] It's insidious.

[00:46:18] Yeah.

[00:46:19] I agree.

[00:46:20] Anyway.

[00:46:21] That was all I had there.

[00:46:22] That's all I had there.

[00:46:23] You got anything else to add?

[00:46:24] No, fuck Hosehead.

[00:46:25] All right.

[00:46:25] So that was our wrap up for the book of Hosea.

[00:46:30] Mm-hmm.

[00:46:30] We have one more episode of Hosea left though.

[00:46:33] Unless you count the weekly wrap up.

[00:46:36] Well, yeah.

[00:46:36] But I never do.

[00:46:37] Right.

[00:46:38] Because we're not part of that.

[00:46:40] Right.

[00:46:41] That's just a gathering of all of them.

[00:46:42] It's just a conglomeration of all of our episodes for the week.

[00:46:44] We are together speaking into the microphone one more time.

[00:46:49] Yes.

[00:46:50] On the book of Hosea.

[00:46:51] And that will be our, you're always wrong.

[00:46:55] Or contradictions episode.

[00:46:57] And we will have a little pop quiz on the end.

[00:46:59] We sure will.

[00:47:00] Mm-hmm.

[00:47:00] And then we'll be done with Hosehead.

[00:47:02] I will have you know I got a 61%.

[00:47:04] Ooh.

[00:47:05] Yeah.

[00:47:05] I got something to shoot for now.

[00:47:06] You sure do.

[00:47:07] The average is 64.

[00:47:08] So...

[00:47:09] Damn, you went below the average this time.

[00:47:10] I sure as fuck did.

[00:47:11] Holy shit.

[00:47:12] Yeah.

[00:47:13] Yeah.

[00:47:13] Man, I knew that.

[00:47:14] Here's the thing.

[00:47:15] There's 11 questions and the ones I knew, I really fucking knew.

[00:47:19] Yeah.

[00:47:19] And the other ones, I either really fucking knew it or I had no goddamn idea.

[00:47:24] Got it.

[00:47:25] Like there was no in between.

[00:47:26] Okay.

[00:47:26] So, good luck, sir.

[00:47:28] Well, thanks for joining us again everybody and we will see you tomorrow.

[00:47:32] Yep.

[00:47:33] Bye.

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