Jeremiah Chapter 25: Atheist Bible Study

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[00:01:16] Welcome to sacrilegious discourse. I'm husband and I'm wife. Together we're reading the Bible for the very first time.

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[00:01:46] Yeah, let's get to it.

[00:01:50] Husband wife.

[00:01:52] Do you know what happened yesterday and where the hell we are today?

[00:01:56] Well, we just got done reading Jeremiah chapter 24.

[00:02:00] We did.

[00:02:00] And in that chapter, we discussed good and bad figs.

[00:02:04] We did. Yeah, there's, we discussed good and bad figs. We did.

[00:02:06] Yeah, there's apparently good ones and bad ones.

[00:02:09] The bad ones apparently are leaders.

[00:02:11] The good ones are the people who are not leaders

[00:02:14] who decided to let God enslave them for a millennia.

[00:02:18] Or not, no, I'm sorry, 100 years or 200 years

[00:02:21] or however long he's gonna keep them there,

[00:02:22] not a millennia, I'm sorry.

[00:02:23] It turns out it's 70, but we're not there yet.

[00:02:25] So we'll close.

[00:02:26] OK.

[00:02:26] OK.

[00:02:26] Yeah.

[00:02:26] So 70 years.

[00:02:27] Yeah.

[00:02:27] Yeah.

[00:02:28] So I mean, the rest of their life, they're going to be enslaved.

[00:02:30] Their kids will be able to be free.

[00:02:32] Maybe.

[00:02:32] Maybe.

[00:02:33] We'll see.

[00:02:33] But but not them.

[00:02:34] Right.

[00:02:35] So that good, bad, either way, you're fucked.

[00:02:38] Pretty much.

[00:02:39] Yeah.

[00:02:39] How's your fig?

[00:02:42] Fantastic.

[00:02:43] Oh my god. All right. That was Oh my God.

[00:02:45] All right. That was Jeremiah chapter 24.

[00:02:47] It shows fuck was which means that today we're getting into Jeremiah chapter 25.

[00:02:53] All right.

[00:02:53] Let's do this.

[00:02:54] Okie dokie.

[00:03:04] Okay. So we are getting into Jeremiah chapter 25.

[00:03:08] Okay.

[00:03:09] Before we do that, I need to read you a little note.

[00:03:13] All right.

[00:03:14] Okay.

[00:03:15] Yeah.

[00:03:16] Chapter 25 is the final chapter in the first section of the book of Jeremiah.

[00:03:20] Oh.

[00:03:21] I didn't know that it was broken into sections.

[00:03:22] Nor did I.

[00:03:23] We always find out about these breakups in the middle of like the break,

[00:03:26] how they break down the books.

[00:03:27] Yeah.

[00:03:27] Once we get into the book, because at some point you'll come across a note that's like,

[00:03:31] Hey, by the way, by the way, yeah, this is, this is a section break now.

[00:03:36] Okay.

[00:03:36] And I'm like, cool.

[00:03:38] So well, this convenient that we're ending this section on the end of a week.

[00:03:42] And you know, it's a round five.

[00:03:44] I mean, it's a nice five. Like I love I love multiples of five. So it's all good.

[00:03:49] Yeah. This section that we just read, this first section, the first 25 chapters,

[00:03:56] deals with the earliest and main core of Jeremiah's message. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

[00:04:01] Which has been a repetition of he coming in. Yeah. I mean, get

[00:04:06] you talk about repetition. It's it's fucking repetitive and it repeats itself again. And

[00:04:11] then it repeats itself again. And then it repeats itself again. Yes. And then there's

[00:04:17] figs. And then there's figs. Right. Right. So let's get into this. Okay. The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the people of Judah in the fourth year

[00:04:28] of Joachim, the son of Josiah, king of Judah, which was the first year of Nebuchadnezzar,

[00:04:35] king of Babylon, which Jeremiah the prophet spoke to all the people of Judah and to the

[00:04:42] inhabitants of Jerusalem saying, okay, that was all an intro.

[00:04:46] Right.

[00:04:47] Of these are his words is ready.

[00:04:50] I'm ready. Yeah. Okay.

[00:04:52] From the 13th year of Josiah, the son of Amman, King of Judah, even to this day,

[00:04:59] this is the 23rd year in which the word of the Lord has come to me. And I have spoken to you rising early and speaking, but you have not listened.

[00:05:09] They don't like you, Jeremiah.

[00:05:11] No, they don't.

[00:05:13] They don't.

[00:05:13] You're a naysayer.

[00:05:14] They kind of, you know, wish you just.

[00:05:17] Shut up and go away.

[00:05:18] Right.

[00:05:18] Yeah.

[00:05:19] Keep your sandwich board to yourself.

[00:05:20] Right.

[00:05:21] And the Lord, he's still talking now.

[00:05:23] Okay.

[00:05:24] And the Lord has sent to you all his servants, the prophets,

[00:05:28] rising early and sending them, but you have not listened.

[00:05:31] Hold on.

[00:05:32] All his servants, all his prophets.

[00:05:35] The only one that I'm aware of that is spreading

[00:05:36] the correct message is Jeremiah.

[00:05:39] And Isaiah before him.

[00:05:40] And there's other ones that we haven't read yet.

[00:05:43] Okay, but they're indifferent.

[00:05:44] Like, but in any generation, he's talking to these people in this

[00:05:46] generation where these people are hearing the

[00:05:48] words of quote unquote God from a prophet, there

[00:05:52] are multiple false prophets and then there's

[00:05:54] fucking Jeremiah.

[00:05:55] Right.

[00:05:56] But what we don't know yet because we're not there

[00:05:59] yet is that there's Jeremiah and a bunch of other

[00:06:03] prophets that are all spreading the same message and a bunch of other prophets that are all spreading the same message

[00:06:07] and a bunch of false prophets.

[00:06:09] So you still wouldn't know which group of prophets

[00:06:12] to trust, but there is.

[00:06:13] But there are multiple voices saying the same thing

[00:06:15] that Jeremiah is saying.

[00:06:16] Yes.

[00:06:17] He just happens to be the ringleader.

[00:06:18] No, he happens to be the one in this chapter

[00:06:21] or in this book.

[00:06:22] I gotcha.

[00:06:23] Okay.

[00:06:24] Yeah. You know how there's like,

[00:06:27] I think two more chapters left of the major quote unquote prophets and then we get into those

[00:06:34] 12 minor prophets. Sure. Those are all prophets too. In the same time? Yes. A lot of them. Yes.

[00:06:42] Okay. All right. I know, I think Amos is one and I think

[00:06:48] Oh, there's another couple that I can't remember their names at the moment. Got it. But yeah, they're all

[00:06:53] Overlapping. I feel like it would do a lot more a lot better service to the message

[00:06:58] They're trying to get across if they referenced each other in their stories, right? Yeah, that would be really cool

[00:07:05] Yeah, but they don't.

[00:07:06] Like when you're reading books that are standalone books,

[00:07:11] but they exist in the same universe,

[00:07:13] so they like reference characters from other,

[00:07:15] and it's just like this one time you see their name

[00:07:20] and that's it and it's like fan service.

[00:07:22] We need some fan service in the Bible.

[00:07:25] It would lend some credibility to the messages

[00:07:28] that they're trying to push forward.

[00:07:31] Because if there's other people saying the same message

[00:07:33] and they're not listening to a multitude of prophets

[00:07:35] who are saying the same message,

[00:07:37] that's different than not listening to one crazy person

[00:07:40] who went off about the same thing and get in trouble

[00:07:42] because everyone thinks he's fucking crazy.

[00:07:44] Exactly. Yeah. No, I he's fucking crazy. Exactly.

[00:07:45] Yeah.

[00:07:46] And I'm just saying.

[00:07:47] No, I totally agree with you.

[00:07:47] So.

[00:07:48] Totally agree with you.

[00:07:49] But yeah, there are some other prophets.

[00:07:50] We just were not there yet.

[00:07:52] Okay.

[00:07:52] But they are existing.

[00:07:54] We just, they haven't been mentioned.

[00:07:56] Sure.

[00:07:57] Except in the notes that I've been taking.

[00:07:59] Got it.

[00:08:00] That reference these other guys.

[00:08:01] Okay.

[00:08:02] And I'm like, oh, those are happening at the same time.

[00:08:06] I think it's-

[00:08:07] It's very confusing.

[00:08:08] Yeah, it's almost as confusing as like how all the Kings broke down

[00:08:11] when we were talking, you know,

[00:08:12] like when we-

[00:08:13] Like when we-

[00:08:14] Second Kings was-

[00:08:14] Yeah, like when we did the Kingses

[00:08:16] and then we did the chronicleses.

[00:08:18] Right.

[00:08:19] And those were like all happening at the same time.

[00:08:21] And then like when we were doing Samuel, was it or? Yeah, Samuel. And

[00:08:30] there was all of the, um, Psalms and Proverbs that are supposed to be at the same time as

[00:08:35] him or something like that. Was it? No, it was Solomon. Yeah. They both start with

[00:08:40] S. So I get their ideas, but no, you're right. It was Solomon. Right. So it's just, it's very confusing. And I hate having to be told from outside sources.

[00:08:49] Oh, those are happening at the same time.

[00:08:52] Right.

[00:08:52] Not consecutively.

[00:08:54] Well, it's because this isn't like a really easy to read book. It's not,

[00:08:58] right.

[00:08:59] This is a conglomeration of a bunch of shit just thrown into a pile.

[00:09:03] Right.

[00:09:04] And so it's very confusing for me.

[00:09:06] Right.

[00:09:07] I have a difficult time as it is and this is making it even worse.

[00:09:11] Right.

[00:09:12] No, I gotcha.

[00:09:13] So he's saying, Jeremiah's saying, I've spoken to you rising early and speaking, but you

[00:09:18] have not listened.

[00:09:19] And the Lord has sent to you all his servants, the prophets, rising early and sending them, but

[00:09:26] you have not listened nor inclined your ear to hear.

[00:09:29] They said, Repent now everyone of his evil way and his evil doings and dwell in the land

[00:09:35] that the Lord has given to you and your fathers forever and ever.

[00:09:39] Do not go after other gods to serve them and worship them and do not provoke me to anger

[00:09:45] with the works of your hands and I will not harm you.

[00:09:49] Yet you have not listened to me, says the Lord per Jeremiah.

[00:09:53] Sure.

[00:09:54] And we're just repeating the same fucking message that's been all through Jeremiah so far.

[00:09:58] Yes.

[00:09:59] That you might provoke me to anger with the works of your hands to your own hurt. I'm assuming that's referring to working on the Sabbath

[00:10:07] and or like worshiping other gods with things that you're doing.

[00:10:11] Is that maybe what we're getting at?

[00:10:13] Yeah, he's saying you're not listening to me.

[00:10:16] You're doing bad things.

[00:10:17] Sure.

[00:10:18] And the bad things are all the things that we've listed up until now.

[00:10:21] Got it.

[00:10:21] So yeah, especially with the Christmas trees.

[00:10:25] Yeah.

[00:10:26] Therefore, thus says the Lord of hosts,

[00:10:30] because you have not heard my words,

[00:10:33] behold, I will send and take all the families of the North,

[00:10:37] says the Lord, and Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon,

[00:10:41] my servant, and will bring them against this land, against

[00:10:45] its inhabitants, and against these nations all around, and will utterly destroy them

[00:10:51] and make them an astonishment, a hissing, and perpetual desolations.

[00:10:56] I wish I could go back in history and interview Nebuchadnezzar and ask him how he felt about

[00:11:00] being God's servant.

[00:11:02] Right.

[00:11:03] Yeah.

[00:11:04] Did you know? Yeah.

[00:11:05] Bro. By the by. Moreover, I will take from them the voice of

[00:11:12] Mirth and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the

[00:11:17] group bride, the sound of the millstones and the light of the lamp.

[00:11:23] He's gonna fuck him up. He's gonna fuck him up.

[00:11:25] He's gonna fuck him up and it's gonna be,

[00:11:27] the desolation will be so solid that it'll be silent and dark

[00:11:31] in those lands.

[00:11:32] You won't hear a single damn thing.

[00:11:35] It'll just be death in the valley.

[00:11:38] Right.

[00:11:39] And this whole land shall be a desolation and an astonishment

[00:11:43] and these nations shall serve

[00:11:46] the king of Babylon 70 years.

[00:11:49] 70 years, okay.

[00:11:50] Okay.

[00:11:51] Then it will come to pass when 70 years are completed, that I will punish the king of

[00:11:56] Babylon and that nation, the land of Chaldeans for their iniquity, says the Lord.

[00:12:04] You realize that he's talking about punishing a king of Babylon that has not even probably

[00:12:09] been born yet.

[00:12:10] Right.

[00:12:11] Fucking hilarious.

[00:12:12] Right.

[00:12:13] Like, okay, God's responsible for all the universe, all the world, all the people, all

[00:12:18] the things, right?

[00:12:20] And he's using Nebuchadnezzar as a tool, right?

[00:12:23] Right.

[00:12:24] Because he's God. He can use this guy as a tool.

[00:12:27] And he's taking him and he's killing his people

[00:12:30] and enslaving them for 70 years, right?

[00:12:33] Oh man, they didn't listen,

[00:12:34] I'm gonna enslave them, I'm gonna bring them over here

[00:12:36] to Babylon.

[00:12:37] And then you know what, I'm gonna kill that fucking king,

[00:12:39] 70 years now who hasn't even been born yet.

[00:12:41] I could put the word of God in him

[00:12:44] and make him like a good person,

[00:12:46] but you know what I'm not gonna do?

[00:12:47] I'm just, I'm not gonna do that.

[00:12:48] I'm gonna kill him.

[00:12:49] Yeah.

[00:12:50] You put the word of God in Jeremiah in the womb.

[00:12:53] Yeah.

[00:12:53] Before the womb.

[00:12:54] Before the womb.

[00:12:55] You let this king of Babylon just fucking die

[00:12:59] because you're an asshole.

[00:13:01] Right.

[00:13:01] That's the only fucking answer.

[00:13:03] Yeah.

[00:13:04] That can possibly be correct because you have, according to

[00:13:08] the words that we have read, you have the ability to manipulate people to make them

[00:13:13] do and feel and say the things that you want them to say.

[00:13:17] But no, you'd rather let him not do the things you want to do and then kill him.

[00:13:22] And then be like, what free will. It's bullshit. Yeah,

[00:13:26] it can't be free will. If you're deeming that this thing is going to happen 70 years from now

[00:13:30] to somebody who doesn't even exist yet. Right. That's not free will. That's bullshittery. Yeah.

[00:13:36] Yeah. That's what it is. All right. So says the Lord and I will make it a perpetual desolation. So I will bring on that land all my words,

[00:13:47] which I have pronounced against it, all that is written in this book, which Jeremiah has

[00:13:52] prophesied concerning all the nations.

[00:13:55] Okay.

[00:13:56] What book is that?

[00:13:57] I don't the one he's writing now this book, this Jeremiah's book, the Jeremiah chapters,

[00:14:03] Jeremiah, Jeremiah, gospels, right? Okay, I don't know. Okay, and then this is in

[00:14:08] parentheses, ready parentheses, boys, okay, for many nations

[00:14:12] and great King shall be served by them also, and I will repay

[00:14:15] them according to their deeds and according to the works of

[00:14:17] their own hands. Okay, in parentheses. Sure. Yeah, I don't

[00:14:21] know why that was in parentheses. But yeah, alright, new

[00:14:23] section, ready? Yeah, for thus says the Lord God of Israel to me, Jeremiah, yeah, take this wine cup

[00:14:31] of fury from my hand and cause all the nations to whom I send you to drink it. He's sending

[00:14:38] his poison their way. His wrath. Okay. He's calling his wrath a cup of fury. Got it. Yeah. Yeah. And they will drink and stagger and go mad because of the sword that I will send among them.

[00:14:52] So then I Jeremiah took the cup from the Lord's hand and made all the nations drink to whom the Lord had sent me.

[00:15:00] Jerusalem and the cities of Judah, its kings and its princes to make them a

[00:15:06] desolation and astonishment, a hissing and a curse as it is this day. Pharaoh, we're

[00:15:12] going down a bulleted list. Okay, yeah, I'm just trying to I'm trying to

[00:15:15] sort this out in my head a little bit. He's he's basically saying God has

[00:15:20] charged me to deliver the message to all of these nations that he's coming to fuck their shit up.

[00:15:27] Right, but I can't quite determine whether this is because it feels like we were talking about pre Babylonian exile,

[00:15:35] right? And now are we talking post Babylonian exile or is it still pre Babylonian where he's sending the cup of fury to

[00:15:43] 70 years later?

[00:15:44] Well, I was going to say to him, fury

[00:15:46] eight people to attack. Oh, okay. And I don't know for sure. I'm

[00:15:51] just trying to like sort it out here a little bit. Okay. Like,

[00:15:53] it almost sounds like it could be interpreted. Maybe if I'm if

[00:15:57] I'm again, I don't know that I'm hearing this correctly or you

[00:16:01] know, but maybe it sounds like Jeremiah is like

[00:16:06] actually instigating people to attack Jeremiah,

[00:16:08] to attack Jerusalem?

[00:16:11] I'm not sure, give me just a sec.

[00:16:13] Okay.

[00:16:15] I mean, we don't have to figure it out today,

[00:16:17] necessarily, we could dig into that for our Q&A

[00:16:19] and figure that out then too.

[00:16:21] It doesn't have to be something that we...

[00:16:22] I think he's talking,

[00:16:24] if I read my notes correctly, I think he's talking about these

[00:16:29] are all the nations that I'm coming to get when the 70 years are up.

[00:16:35] And because the cup of wrath is something that he has used before, like I don't know

[00:16:41] if you recall, it was in Psalms, it was used, I think.

[00:16:45] Okay. And then also later in the New Testament, Jesus says, take this cup from my hands or

[00:16:51] something. And he's like, I don't, I don't want to be judged. I don't want to die on

[00:16:57] the cross. This sucks. God, take this cup from my lips. Got it. And so he uses this this cup thing. It just means judgment and and wrath. Got it. Okay. Okay. That's what I picked up from my notes. That's not me sure.

[00:17:12] Sure. So I just have a hard time following exactly what we were talking about there. So I was just trying to ask some questions to make sure I'm and I might want you to dig into that a little bit for the Q&A. I'm gonna lean on my notes currently. I could be wrong and we will get into this more when

[00:17:32] we get to our Q&A on Saturday. But from what I understand, Jeremiah is prophesying, you are

[00:17:40] gonna drink this cup, all of these nations that are with us and bad shit's going to happen.

[00:17:46] And you know, this is coming down the pike and y'all look out.

[00:17:52] And yeah, at the same time that he's saying this, that is going to

[00:17:55] incite those other nations to wrath and to come and be like, excuse you.

[00:18:01] Like God's going to fuck our shit up.

[00:18:03] I don't think so.

[00:18:04] Hey, why don't I just kill you? So you, I God's gonna fuck our shit up. I don't think so. Hey, why don't

[00:18:05] I just kill you? So you, I'm not saying that you're wrong. Okay. But I think the intent

[00:18:13] here is that he's giving a warning to these other nations of what's coming. Okay. Because

[00:18:20] when I was reading the notes, they were saying that the other nations must have been astonished to have been

[00:18:27] listed

[00:18:30] In these prophecies

[00:18:32] Which means that he's saying them before the time, you know what I mean got it. Okay, so I don't know again

[00:18:38] I don't find that as astonishing as they're trying to make that out to be because no right holy

[00:18:42] We we've talked about how things move slower. You right we can see people coming and wanting to attack us and and political things happening

[00:18:51] It's not it's not hard to see that stuff sure, but I am gonna read down a list now of all the places that he's

[00:18:59] going getcha all right going to get this is in the Bible. This is yeah, this is in the Bible. Okay. Yeah.

[00:19:05] So all that I made the nations drink to whom the Lord had sent me.

[00:19:10] Okay.

[00:19:11] So first one is Jerusalem and the cities of Judah, its kings and its princess to make them a

[00:19:15] desolation and astonishment, a hissing and a curse as it is this day.

[00:19:20] Okay.

[00:19:20] So that's the first one on the list, okay,

[00:19:21] which is why it made me think this is pre Babylonian exo.

[00:19:24] Yes. Right. That's why it was confused think this is pre-Babylonian Exo. Yes.

[00:19:25] Right, that's why I was confused a little bit.

[00:19:26] This is before the 70 years have started.

[00:19:29] So it's during the time when Nebuchadnezzar has come in more than once,

[00:19:36] but the 70 years of slavehood hasn't started yet.

[00:19:41] It's about to come.

[00:19:43] For 25 chapters, it's been about to come.

[00:19:46] Sure. Right. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Next one on the list, Pharaoh, King of Egypt, his servants,

[00:19:51] his princes and all his people, all the mixed multitude, all the kings of the land of Uzz,

[00:19:58] all the kings of the land of the Philistines, namely Ashklonon, Gaza, Ikran, and the Remnant of Ashdod, Edom,

[00:20:08] Moab, and the people of Ammon, all the kings of Tier, all the kings of Sidon,

[00:20:14] and the kings of the coastlands which are across the sea, Dedan, Tema, Buzz, and

[00:20:20] all who are in the farthest corners, all the kings of Arabia, and all the kings

[00:20:26] of the mixed multitude who dwell in the desert, all the kings of Zimri, all the kings of

[00:20:31] Elam, and all the kings of the Medes, all the kings of the North, far and near, one

[00:20:37] with another, and all the kingdoms of the world which are on the face of the earth. Okay, come on now.

[00:20:45] That's some bullshit.

[00:20:48] Like you're listing off localized groups of people that you are aware of and then you

[00:20:53] just toss in all the kings of the world.

[00:20:55] And plus everybody else.

[00:20:57] But just in case there's people I missed because I haven't traveled there yet.

[00:21:01] Right, yeah.

[00:21:02] So we will get into all of those different nations

[00:21:06] on Saturday because there is more information about them.

[00:21:10] But one of the notes is that these groups

[00:21:15] have been identified as various North Arabian tribes

[00:21:18] and comprise kingdoms that made up virtually

[00:21:21] the entire world of the Old Testament.

[00:21:23] Known world, right. Right, the entire world of the Old Testament. Known world, right.

[00:21:25] Right, the entire world of the Old Testament

[00:21:27] is the rest of that sentence.

[00:21:29] Yeah, so I won't go into what all those nations are.

[00:21:32] We will read about those in our Q&A though.

[00:21:34] Okay.

[00:21:35] I keep saying on Saturday, which is tomorrow.

[00:21:38] Yeah, yeah.

[00:21:39] So just keep this in the back of your head.

[00:21:41] This is gonna be probably the most interesting

[00:21:44] of the notes, I think. Yeah. Okay.

[00:21:47] Next comes also the king of Sheshak shall drink after them.

[00:21:53] The Sheshak looks she sells she she she yells down by the yes.

[00:21:57] And I am going to go ahead and clarify that briefly.

[00:22:03] But again, I'll talk more about who that is tomorrow.

[00:22:06] Okay.

[00:22:07] Yeah.

[00:22:08] She-Shack is a code name for the Babylonians.

[00:22:11] Okay.

[00:22:12] Okay.

[00:22:13] Yeah.

[00:22:14] And just keep that in the back of your head for tomorrow.

[00:22:15] Sure.

[00:22:16] Okay.

[00:22:17] So we're talking again about the Babylonians.

[00:22:19] Got it.

[00:22:20] But in code now.

[00:22:21] Yeah.

[00:22:22] Okay.

[00:22:23] Because what we need is more vagueness in the Bible. That's what we need. It's a Hebrew

[00:22:27] code that they use. Okay, like I said, I'm not getting into all

[00:22:30] of that. But yes. Okay. Yeah. For reasons. Sure. Sure. So the

[00:22:36] king of she shack shall drink after them. Therefore, you shall

[00:22:39] say to them, thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel,

[00:22:46] to them thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, drink, be drunk and vomit.

[00:22:53] Fall and rise no more because of the sword which I will send among you. And actually,

[00:23:00] originally it didn't say vomit. I forget what else it was some other word for like hacking it up in puke, but got it. But it was like a more gross word.

[00:23:06] Rich?

[00:23:07] Not wretch.

[00:23:09] Say some more.

[00:23:09] Oh, I don't have any more.

[00:23:11] That's, yeah.

[00:23:12] Okay.

[00:23:13] I wasn't prepared to come up with a, you know.

[00:23:15] Well, you said wretch.

[00:23:16] And so I thought you were gonna like name some more words.

[00:23:18] No, I was just the first one that came to my head.

[00:23:20] That's all.

[00:23:21] It's not that one.

[00:23:22] Okay.

[00:23:23] It's like a hack it up. Spew.

[00:23:25] Spew.

[00:23:26] That's the one.

[00:23:26] OK, all right.

[00:23:27] Yeah, spew.

[00:23:28] Got it.

[00:23:29] And so there was like this note that said,

[00:23:31] oh, why did it have to say spew instead of vomit?

[00:23:34] And then now I'm reading our version and it's vomit.

[00:23:38] Got it.

[00:23:38] So they cleaned it up.

[00:23:40] They cleaned it up.

[00:23:40] But originally it was spew.

[00:23:42] I think vomit sounds worse than spew, personally.

[00:23:45] But vomit is more of a medical term kind of thing.

[00:23:50] Whereas spew is like, you know, like it just went everywhere.

[00:23:55] He spewed.

[00:23:56] Right. But I like the word spew because you can use it in other ways.

[00:23:59] Like, you know, he's spewing all kinds of bullshit.

[00:24:02] You know, like, you know, you, it's very.

[00:24:04] It's a more versatile word.

[00:24:05] Right, yeah.

[00:24:06] But I mean, then there's always word vomit.

[00:24:08] So...

[00:24:09] Right, but I feel like spew is a little bit more versatile

[00:24:11] than vomit is.

[00:24:12] And the reason is because spew is a little bit more gross.

[00:24:16] It's a little bit more...

[00:24:16] And only on our podcast,

[00:24:17] when we talked about the nuances and usability of words

[00:24:21] for the difference between different types of vomiting.

[00:24:23] Yes.

[00:24:24] Yeah, yeah. That's true. It's true. And it shall be if they refuse to take the cup from your hand to drink, then

[00:24:30] you shall say to them, thus says the Lord of hosts, you shall certainly fucking drink.

[00:24:36] For behold, I begin to bring calamity on the city, which is called by my name. And should

[00:24:42] you be utterly unpunished? You shall not be

[00:24:45] unpunished, for I will call for a sword on all the inhabitants of the earth, says the

[00:24:50] Lord of Host.

[00:24:51] Hold on. So you're going to drink my goddamn cup. And if you don't, I'm going to kill

[00:24:57] you in the cup. What's the cup going to do? It's going to kill you. Right. What the fuck?

[00:25:02] No, no. If you drink from the cup, it doesn't kill you. It makes you kukubines.

[00:25:07] Okay. It makes you spew and be crazy with fury or whatever. Right. Which will probably get your ass killed.

[00:25:15] Right. Right. So either way, you're probably one way you're going to die at the hands of your other people that you're fighting.

[00:25:22] The other way, God's going to maybe smite you,

[00:25:25] but he doesn't really do smiting as much as he used to. So who knows?

[00:25:28] And here's another thing. Like, where are we talking about whether they're going to physically

[00:25:32] drink from the cup or not when there's not a physical cup? This is this is all allegory.

[00:25:37] This is all parable. This is all symbolism.

[00:25:40] And as you were saying that, I was like literally imagining Jeremiah going to all these kingdoms

[00:25:44] with a fucking cup of wine to have them drink the fury wine, you know?

[00:25:49] Drink the fury wine.

[00:25:51] And like that's not how that went.

[00:25:53] That's not how it goes.

[00:25:54] No, I know.

[00:25:55] But that's like what they're saying, you know, like literally saying.

[00:25:58] And then he's like, you're going to drink it.

[00:26:00] And it's like, but are they?

[00:26:02] They take these metaphors.

[00:26:04] They take them way too far.

[00:26:06] Yes.

[00:26:07] They make it sound like it's an actual thing that's happening.

[00:26:10] Instead of saying, this is a metaphor by the by.

[00:26:13] This is a vision.

[00:26:14] This is an example, if you will.

[00:26:19] Therefore, prophecy against them, all these words, and say to them, the Lord will roar from on high and utter his voice from his holy habitation.

[00:26:30] He will roar mightily against his fold.

[00:26:33] He will give a shout, shout, let it all out.

[00:26:38] These are the things we can do without.

[00:26:41] Come on.

[00:26:42] Come on. Yeah.

[00:26:44] As those who tread the grapes against all the inhabitants of the earth. We can do without. Come on. Come on. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:26:45] As those who tread the grapes against all the inhabitants of the earth, I'm going to

[00:26:50] tread grapes.

[00:26:51] Like, have you ever seen, um, what is it?

[00:26:56] Um, okay, Keanu Reeves was in it and it was a walk in the clouds.

[00:27:01] That's what it was.

[00:27:02] And he goes to like the, I think he's in Italy or something. Like

[00:27:06] he's just got out of the army maybe or something. I'm not quite sure. But anyway, he's with this

[00:27:11] family. And I forget how he ends up there. I think he's just like a vagabond or something. But he

[00:27:19] ends up falling in love with the girl or she brings him home to pretend that he's

[00:27:26] or her, I forget how it works, but anyway there's this whole scene where

[00:27:30] they're squishing the grapes, they're treading in the grapes. So romantic.

[00:27:35] It's a really great movie. I highly recommend it if you love you some stupid

[00:27:41] romance. A noise will come to the ends of the earth for the Lord has a

[00:27:48] controversy with the nations. He will plead his case with all flesh. He will give those who are

[00:27:54] wicked to the sword, says the Lord, thus says the Lord of hosts. Behold, disaster shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be

[00:28:07] raised up from the farthest parts of the earth."

[00:28:10] How does that whirlwind again?

[00:28:12] There's those tumbleweeds again.

[00:28:15] And at that day, the slain of the Lord shall be from one end of the earth even to the other

[00:28:22] end of the earth.

[00:28:23] Okay.

[00:28:24] They're known little circle of the earth even to the other end of the earth. Okay. They're known little circle of the earth anyway.

[00:28:26] In the Arabias.

[00:28:28] Because they don't even have, like he keeps talking about swords.

[00:28:31] Maybe you talk about like the Native Americans, they're, they didn't have fucking swords.

[00:28:34] Right.

[00:28:34] It spears.

[00:28:36] I mean, there's blades on those things, I guess, but like they didn't have swords.

[00:28:40] Right.

[00:28:40] So you're wrong.

[00:28:43] This doesn't apply worldwide.

[00:28:45] Right. You're wrong. Yeah. There's even cultures still't apply worldwide. Right, you're wrong.

[00:28:46] Yeah, there's even cultures still today

[00:28:48] that don't have the technology to make swords.

[00:28:51] Right.

[00:28:52] So you're wrong.

[00:28:53] This is all bullshit.

[00:28:54] Yeah.

[00:28:55] They shall not be lamented or gathered or buried,

[00:28:59] although all the dead people.

[00:29:00] He's being on that, not burying people lately

[00:29:02] and scattering them and, you know.

[00:29:04] Because it's the ultimate insult. Yeah, no, no, I got it. So I understand why I just, it's been brought

[00:29:10] up so many times lately that I'm like, okay, I get it. That tells you how important it

[00:29:14] was to them. Right. Yeah. They shall become refuse on the ground. So they trash, right?

[00:29:21] Whale shepherds and cry. So the shepherds are the leaders.

[00:29:25] He's telling the leaders of the people.

[00:29:27] Right.

[00:29:28] Yeah.

[00:29:29] The priests and all that.

[00:29:30] Yeah.

[00:29:31] The leadership people that aren't the kings.

[00:29:33] Right.

[00:29:34] Role about in the ashes, you leaders of the flock, the leader of the flock.

[00:29:40] For the days of your slaughter and your dispersions are fulfilled.

[00:29:44] You shall fall like a precious vessel.

[00:29:48] I mean, if it falls, is it precious?

[00:29:53] I don't know why he would be calling them precious vessels because they were doing

[00:29:57] false prophecies.

[00:29:58] They were doing false messages, right?

[00:30:00] They wouldn't be precious.

[00:30:01] They'd be worthless.

[00:30:03] Right.

[00:30:04] And they would be That would be my interpretation

[00:30:06] of how God should, in Canon, with the way God's talking about them, that's the way he should

[00:30:13] be thinking about them if he is speaking about them this way. But to call them precious is

[00:30:17] a little, and again, we've talked about how things get lost in translation. So who knows what that's, you know, who knows, whatever.

[00:30:27] That is true.

[00:30:29] And the shepherds will have no way to flee nor the leaders of the flock to escape a voice

[00:30:35] of the cry of the shepherds and a whaling of the leaders to the flock will be heard.

[00:30:42] For the Lord has plundered their pasture

[00:30:45] and the peaceful dwellings are cut down

[00:30:48] because of the fierce anger of the Lord.

[00:30:51] He has left his lair like the lion.

[00:30:55] What does a lion leave a lair like?

[00:30:57] Roaring.

[00:30:58] Oh, oh.

[00:30:59] An angry.

[00:31:00] All right, got it.

[00:31:01] He's gonna get ya.

[00:31:02] Got it, yeah.

[00:31:03] Okay.

[00:31:04] He has left his hair, his hair, his lair like the lion. He's angry. He's going to get you. Got it. Yeah. Okay.

[00:31:05] He has left his hair, his hair, his layer like the lion for their land is desolate because

[00:31:13] of the fierceness of the capital O oppressor.

[00:31:17] Okay.

[00:31:18] And because of his fierce anger, the end.

[00:31:21] So they're referring to God as an oppressor.

[00:31:24] God is referring to himself.

[00:31:25] Yeah, okay. You're referring to himself as an oppressor. That is wow. Right. I don't know

[00:31:32] how, I don't know what to take. I don't know how to take that. Right. Like is he, is he doing

[00:31:38] self examination here? Is he, you are just saying it like it is now, huh, sir? You're like, I'm a

[00:31:43] fucking oppressor. We're not going to be around the bush here.

[00:31:45] I am this awful thing.

[00:31:47] Yeah.

[00:31:47] And I'm just going to say it out loud here.

[00:31:49] Yeah.

[00:31:50] In my own words through Jeremiah, but still my own words.

[00:31:53] Yeah.

[00:31:54] Not just an oppressor, a capital O oppressor.

[00:31:57] Right.

[00:31:57] Yeah.

[00:31:58] Yeah.

[00:31:58] Like he is Yahweh.

[00:32:01] He is the Lord of Host, and he is capital O oppressor.

[00:32:06] Yeah.

[00:32:07] So he's a great I am that oppressor.

[00:32:09] Yeah.

[00:32:10] Yeah.

[00:32:11] I love the things that the things that they capitalize in the Bible are interesting.

[00:32:17] They would be interesting just to go through and list all the things, all the

[00:32:21] ways and all the names that they have called God through capitalization,

[00:32:30] just to see what all names have actually applied to God at some level. Right.

[00:32:31] Right.

[00:32:31] Because there's been so many.

[00:32:33] And I would, I would just like a list of all the capital God names that, that have been referred to him in some sense or fashion.

[00:32:41] I'm sure that list exists.

[00:32:43] I might look it up because I'm curious.

[00:32:45] I'm curious.

[00:32:46] But I hope oppressor is on that list.

[00:32:48] I do too.

[00:32:49] Yeah, if not, we'll have to put in a correction or something.

[00:32:52] Yeah, I know.

[00:32:53] He called himself an oppressor.

[00:32:55] I would like to speak to the manager, please.

[00:32:57] Let me see your oppressor.

[00:33:00] Right.

[00:33:00] Yeah.

[00:33:02] So is that all we got for today?

[00:33:04] That's all we got for today.

[00:33:05] Awesome. Well, that ends another week of our Bible study in bullshit.

[00:33:10] And that was Jeremiah chapter 25.

[00:33:14] Sure as fuck was.

[00:33:15] And that means that tomorrow is Saturday and we'll be back with our Q&A Saturday.

[00:33:22] And then this Sunday, I believe we're doing the

[00:33:26] Sacrilegious Blue Club.

[00:33:28] And after that I will get the weekly wrap up together and we will be back on Monday with

[00:33:33] Jeremiah Chapter 26.

[00:33:35] Alright we'll see you then.

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