Jeremiah Chapters 21 - 25 Q&A: Atheist Bible Study

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[00:04:32] OK, here we are getting into our Q&A for Jeremiah chapters

[00:04:37] 21 through 25.

[00:04:40] And before we jump in here, I do want to reiterate that the book of Jeremiah is not

[00:04:47] arranged chronologically. And we kind of ran into that when...

[00:04:53] They jumped forward 20 years.

[00:04:54] Well, yeah, we started out jumping forward 20 years, but then later on in one of the other chapters,

[00:04:59] you were like, wait, is this before or after? And there's not a lot of clarity on what goes where.

[00:05:06] Other than this bit is a fucking mess.

[00:05:10] Got it. Yeah.

[00:05:11] It kind of feels that way.

[00:05:13] Yeah. They stapled it together in the wrong order.

[00:05:16] They did.

[00:05:17] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:05:18] So that's fun.

[00:05:20] That made it really fun.

[00:05:21] Is that we call it fun?

[00:05:23] No, that's just the happy adjective that I'm using today.

[00:05:27] Got it. Because I was thinking more like shit show, um, you know, along those lines.

[00:05:31] So, you know, I can only come up with one other thing. So, right, right.

[00:05:36] Shit show. Yeah. Yeah. Go screw. Go screw. There you go.

[00:05:39] I really like that. And that's more, that's more, um, time period appropriate, actually.

[00:05:44] There you. Yeah. Lots of goat herders and stuff.

[00:05:46] But yeah, right.

[00:05:47] It's a goat screw, the whole Bible,

[00:05:49] but we're in a real good section of goat screwery.

[00:05:53] Yeah, okay.

[00:05:54] Okay.

[00:05:55] So as you stated, Jeremiah chapter 21,

[00:05:58] fast forward's about 20 years

[00:06:00] to the time when Babylonian armies are in Judah

[00:06:03] and Jerusalem is besieged.

[00:06:05] Got it.

[00:06:06] Okay.

[00:06:06] Yeah.

[00:06:07] And then we noted at the time that several events had led up to this point.

[00:06:12] It wasn't just like overnight.

[00:06:13] Right.

[00:06:14] That that happened.

[00:06:15] This was like the third time that the king of Babylonia, what's his name?

[00:06:20] Nebuchadnezzar.

[00:06:21] Right.

[00:06:22] Came in and did some stuff.

[00:06:24] Yeah.

[00:06:25] And he had taken the best and brightest, like the Smiths and whatnot and just left the

[00:06:31] drugs of society and put Zedekiah in charge as a puppet king.

[00:06:38] Yep.

[00:06:39] So that's all shit that's happening.

[00:06:41] They're trying to make alliances with Egypt. They're

[00:06:45] putting their faith in Egypt, coming to help them.

[00:06:47] Instead of God, which God doesn't like that.

[00:06:49] God always hates that.

[00:06:50] Yeah. Yeah, don't make alliances for God's

[00:06:52] takes. So that's the thing that's that's happening. Okay. Yeah.

[00:06:56] So in chapter 21, it starts out with a messenger from King

[00:07:04] Zedekiah to Jeremiah.

[00:07:06] Okay.

[00:07:07] Okay.

[00:07:08] And this message was given late in the reign of Judah's last king, Zetikiah.

[00:07:12] Right.

[00:07:13] And Jerusalem was under its last great siege, which resulted in its final fallen destruction

[00:07:18] in 587 BCE.

[00:07:20] Got it.

[00:07:21] Okay.

[00:07:22] Yeah.

[00:07:23] So that's where we are.

[00:07:24] Okay. And then verse one of this chapter

[00:07:26] says the word which came to Jeremiah from the Lord when Kings at Akiah sent him sent

[00:07:31] to him Pashur the son of Melchiah. And then we remember that this was not the same bus

[00:07:38] sure that smacked him upside the head and probably rash them a good. This was the court of time. For the times.

[00:07:45] For the good, pressure and not the bad.

[00:07:47] Right, right, right.

[00:07:48] And he did not put him in the stocks.

[00:07:51] Right.

[00:07:52] He was just like, you know, what up?

[00:07:53] Could we, could we maybe get some God up in here to help us?

[00:07:58] How, how do you think that might go?

[00:07:59] Right.

[00:08:00] That a thing that could happen.

[00:08:01] Yeah.

[00:08:02] And then, um, verse two, the second part of verse two says,

[00:08:07] perhaps the Lord will deal with us according to all his wonderful works,

[00:08:10] that the king may go away from us.

[00:08:12] That would be awesome.

[00:08:13] Yeah.

[00:08:14] Right.

[00:08:15] Zetikiah had postponed compliance with the warnings and invitations of,

[00:08:20] quote unquote, God's love until the last possible second.

[00:08:24] But he was now more eager for immunity from the consequence of sin of quote unquote God's love until the last possible second,

[00:08:25] but he was now more eager for immunity

[00:08:28] from the consequence of sin than to repent and turn to God.

[00:08:33] Okay. So he's like, I need an out here.

[00:08:35] I need an out and it can't involve me repenting.

[00:08:39] Got it.

[00:08:41] I just need a miracle, right quick.

[00:08:43] I just need you to find so many thousands of votes.

[00:08:46] See, again, the things that we come across lend me to believe that they didn't really

[00:08:50] strongly believe in these gods.

[00:08:52] Right.

[00:08:53] This was more of a touch and go type situation where they're like, it was a Hail Mary.

[00:08:57] Yeah.

[00:08:58] It was a Hail Mary.

[00:08:59] Babylon is falling or no, Babylon is not falling.

[00:09:02] No, we are falling.

[00:09:03] Babylon is getting us. We are the United States.

[00:09:06] So Jerusalem is falling.

[00:09:09] And so he is telling the governor of Georgia,

[00:09:13] I just need you to find so many thousands of votes.

[00:09:16] I can't be expected to actually win on the votes.

[00:09:21] I need you to find me some votes.

[00:09:23] I'm not talking about Trump.

[00:09:25] No, I am.

[00:09:26] I am talking about Trump.

[00:09:28] Yeah, but that was, yeah.

[00:09:29] Yeah.

[00:09:30] So he's telling him, just make a God miracle for me.

[00:09:33] Okay.

[00:09:34] All right.

[00:09:35] This sucks.

[00:09:36] This trash.

[00:09:37] Right.

[00:09:38] Okay.

[00:09:39] And then in verses three through six, the message to Zedekiah about Jerusalem's coming

[00:09:43] conquest.

[00:09:44] Okay. So this is basically Jerusalem's coming conquest. Okay.

[00:09:45] So this is basically what he sent back.

[00:09:47] Okay.

[00:09:48] Yeah.

[00:09:49] Five verse five says, I myself will fight against you.

[00:09:52] I being God, O Leo, the God man.

[00:09:55] Yeah, that's not the answer.

[00:09:56] That's not the answer you wanted.

[00:09:58] I don't think no, he's like, not only won't I give you your

[00:10:01] fucking miracle and find you some votes.

[00:10:03] Yeah, I'm coming to smack you down

[00:10:05] Right. I'm gonna knock you flat. Yeah, which would have been kind of cool if it that had happened to Trump

[00:10:12] Like if God had just been like I not only won't find you your thousands of votes

[00:10:17] I am going to smack you personally. I'm a lot of Trump references. I can't help it. Okay. He's a piece of shit

[00:10:23] Yeah, as is this political God figure. Okay. He's a piece of shit. Yeah. As is this political

[00:10:25] God figure. Okay. Yeah. So, you know, it's not my fault. Right.

[00:10:30] But you're comparing Zedekiah to Trump, not God to Trump. So whatever. Yeah, that's true.

[00:10:36] That's true. And then, and then God was like, I won't find your votes. Right, which makes

[00:10:41] God seem like he's a good guy because he's the one stand up saying, no, I'm not going to, I'm not going to break the rules for you.

[00:10:46] True. But I'm just saying much the way you're phrasing it, you know,

[00:10:50] much like God, the Republican party is what helped Trump get there in the first fucking

[00:10:56] place. True.

[00:10:57] True. Yeah.

[00:10:58] It ain't all good.

[00:10:59] Right.

[00:11:00] You know, you can't pave the path and then be sad at the stones you have laid leading right where you were leading them to

[00:11:08] Right, you know, okay, so Judah would not only have to fight against the Babylonians who would not only beseeze

[00:11:14] Jerusalem but would breach the very walls of the inner city

[00:11:18] They would also have to fight against God himself man

[00:11:22] Even though God himself really isn't coming down to do anything, he's using Babylon.

[00:11:26] I was gonna say, if God wanted to fight,

[00:11:28] he hypothetically has just killed like 185,000 people

[00:11:33] with a snap of a finger.

[00:11:34] Right.

[00:11:35] And you know, there's just, he could just end it, you know?

[00:11:37] He could. He could.

[00:11:38] So fighting God is kind of an irrelevant statement

[00:11:41] because it's cutesy.

[00:11:43] It's playing cutesy with words.

[00:11:44] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:11:45] Yeah.

[00:11:46] So,

[00:11:47] verse seven was about the message to Zedekiah

[00:11:50] about his own terrible fate.

[00:11:52] So that was about the people

[00:11:54] and what's gonna happen to the city.

[00:11:56] This is about Zedekiah himself.

[00:11:58] Okay.

[00:11:59] Okay.

[00:12:00] Verse seven says,

[00:12:01] I will deliver Zedekiah, King of Judah,

[00:12:02] his servants and the people.

[00:12:04] Dot, dot, dot, his servants and the people. Dot dot dot because

[00:12:05] I skipped a whole lot into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon. So he's like, fuck you, you're

[00:12:11] going down. Yeah. Okay. And those fortunate, fortunate enough to survive the pestilence and the sword

[00:12:17] and the famine will be taken as exiles out of Jerusalem and Judah and to the land of Babylon.

[00:12:23] So if you're fortunate, you just become a slave.

[00:12:26] Right.

[00:12:27] Exactly.

[00:12:27] That's fortune.

[00:12:28] That's fortune.

[00:12:29] That's what you want to hope for in this particular situation.

[00:12:33] Sounds like a bad, bad thing.

[00:12:35] And the people could expect no mercy from Nebuchadnezzar in this coming war.

[00:12:40] Right.

[00:12:40] Because he was not going to like not come.

[00:12:43] Look, it doesn't surprise me in the historical sense of an ancient war that these things,

[00:12:48] these atrocities happened, right?

[00:12:50] What surprises me is the willingness for God to let them happen to his own people.

[00:12:54] Right.

[00:12:55] That's what surprised me.

[00:12:56] And then, and then pretend that what I had this planned all along.

[00:12:59] Right.

[00:13:00] Oh, did you?

[00:13:01] Yeah.

[00:13:02] You did.

[00:13:03] That's cute.

[00:13:04] Yeah. So versus eight through ten, talk about the message to Jerusalem

[00:13:06] in light of the coming conquest.

[00:13:08] So Jeremiah was very busy.

[00:13:10] He was delivering messages left and right.

[00:13:13] He was talking to the king.

[00:13:14] Like he was talking blasphemy, you know, just outright like King.

[00:13:21] God's coming to get you, which the king probably considered blasphemous.

[00:13:26] You know what I'm saying?

[00:13:26] He was talking to not the king,

[00:13:29] the leader of his people, you know what I mean?

[00:13:32] Yeah.

[00:13:33] Well, I mean, blasphemy would be against God though, right?

[00:13:35] Right, but he wasn't speaking against God,

[00:13:38] but I'm sure that the king felt like it was against God.

[00:13:41] Like how dare you speak these blasphemous words

[00:13:44] saying God's coming to get me.

[00:13:46] Well, if he was that concerned about it though, wouldn't you think that he'd be

[00:13:50] punishing Jeremiah for these statements then? You would think, right?

[00:13:54] Because Jeremiah got pretty fucking uppity. Yeah. But no, nobody came and got him except that

[00:13:59] they whipped him and put him in the stocks. Yeah. It sounds to me almost like, I mean, I don't view

[00:14:04] it as like he was going because I think

[00:14:06] they were sending messengers, right?

[00:14:08] I think that probably Jeremiah was somewhere else.

[00:14:11] Right.

[00:14:12] He was busy digging up his dirty undies from that river.

[00:14:18] Yeah.

[00:14:19] So, okay, but now he's talking to the people of Jerusalem and he says people your only hope is in surrender

[00:14:27] The leaders of Judah hoped to inspire the people to defend the city with courage and tenacity

[00:14:32] Like the leaders were like we got a fight for a right to not get killed by Babylon

[00:14:39] Right, right and Jeremiah's like no no no

[00:14:42] Since God is against them. Your only hope is to accept God's punishment.

[00:14:47] Go be a slave. That's your best hope. You go and die.

[00:14:51] I mean, if you're viewing what's coming at you and you're like, we're gonna lose.

[00:14:56] Yeah. He's probably right. Yeah.

[00:14:58] And I'm just saying from like a...

[00:15:00] Viewing the... What's ahead of you?

[00:15:03] Politically. Right. Yeah. Raise your white flag. viewing the what's ahead of you politically right right yeah if you see you're going to lose probably better to negotiate a less than bloody outcome for with the And then verses 13 to 14 comes the devouring fire.

[00:15:28] Yeah. So verse 13 says, behold, I am against you, oh,

[00:15:32] inhabitant of the valley and rock of the plain. And that's something that the Lord said. Okay.

[00:15:37] Sure.

[00:15:38] And this announcement is likely addressed to the inhabitants of the royal palace built on O'Fell, which looks down on the

[00:15:46] valley or plain of Kidron. Okay. Okay. Yeah. And then verse 14 says, I will kindle a fire in its

[00:15:53] forest and it shall devour all things around it. We talk about what the forest meant. This

[00:15:58] references likely to the royal palace, which in first, is referred to as the house of the forest of Lebanon

[00:16:05] because of the considerable quantity of cedar used in its construction.

[00:16:10] Right.

[00:16:11] And I think, yeah.

[00:16:12] Right.

[00:16:13] Yeah.

[00:16:14] Okay.

[00:16:15] So that was chapter 21.

[00:16:16] Now we're moving into chapter 22.

[00:16:17] Okay.

[00:16:18] Okay.

[00:16:19] And that's going to be about the prophecies against the kings of Judah.

[00:16:22] Okay.

[00:16:23] And this is where we started to get confused about, wait, what order is this in?

[00:16:26] What's happening?

[00:16:27] Where is all this about?

[00:16:29] We don't know.

[00:16:30] So verses one through five are an urgent call to repent again and still some more.

[00:16:36] Okay.

[00:16:37] These verses are close enough to the message sent back to Zedekiah to suggest at first

[00:16:42] sight that we are still dealing with the same man, the same

[00:16:45] king, the same guy.

[00:16:46] But it seems more likely that this paragraph was a much earlier message sent to another

[00:16:51] king earlier on since there was still time for the House of David to recover strongly.

[00:16:57] Like, if you will just bow down and behave, you know?

[00:17:03] This can be fixed.

[00:17:04] This can be fixed. God will get ya.

[00:17:06] And so that's a good argument, I think, for where this falls.

[00:17:12] So this chapter seems to fall before the prior chapter.

[00:17:15] Right.

[00:17:16] So verses 6 and 7 are about the coming judgment.

[00:17:19] And then verses 8 and 9 are the nations asking, why does that happen in over there?

[00:17:24] That seems weird.

[00:17:26] Jeremiah pictures the people of the nations

[00:17:29] seeing the destruction of Jerusalem

[00:17:31] and wondering why, why is there God letting them get pummeled?

[00:17:36] That's weird.

[00:17:37] And they were probably, Jeremiah,

[00:17:40] imagine the asking questions like,

[00:17:42] were these not the people of God?

[00:17:44] Was the God of Israel weaker than the God of the Babylonians

[00:17:47] Meanwhile we were imagining that they don't give a fuck right and then Jeremiah

[00:17:52] Assumes that these other nations will answer their own question with the understanding that oh yeah

[00:17:58] They're idolatry led to such destruction. They should have prayed harder to their own God because they care about like

[00:18:05] the whole conversation that Jeremiah is having in his head there makes absolutely no sense.

[00:18:10] Yeah, because what they would be doing if they thought of them at all is, yeah, I guess

[00:18:15] that God is weak. They should have prayed to our God. Right. Yeah. If they thought of

[00:18:19] them at all thinking in the God sense at all. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They would not be like, oh,

[00:18:24] they should have prayed to their God harder. They would be judging them by the fact that their God sucked. Right. Right. That's just the way that works. Yeah.

[00:18:32] You know, so moving on versus 10 through 12 are about the message from Shalom who is also called Jehoahaz.

[00:18:41] Okay. Verse 10 says, we not for the dead, nor be

[00:18:45] mown him. We bitterly for him who goes away, for he shall return

[00:18:49] no more, nor see his native country. And these words regard

[00:18:54] the death of King Josiah, who was killed in battle at

[00:18:58] Megito. And the exile of his son Shalom, who was Jehoahaz, who

[00:19:04] succeeded Josiah, but was almost immediately

[00:19:06] deposed by the Pharaoh Niko of Egypt. So again, this is like all out of order, like what the

[00:19:14] fuck is even happening? Yeah. And it sounds like there's like a million different political things

[00:19:19] in regard to, you know, Israel at this point. Yes, exactly. And then verse 11 says, for thus the Lord concerning Shalom the son of Josiah, king

[00:19:30] of Judah, who reigned instead of Josiah, his father, who went from this place.

[00:19:34] Okay, so let's talk about Shalom the son of Josiah.

[00:19:38] That was the fourth son of King Josiah as stated in first chronicles when he was anointed

[00:19:44] as king by the people of Judah to succeed Josiah as stated in first Chronicles when he was anointed as king by the people of Judah

[00:19:46] to succeed Josiah.

[00:19:48] Okay.

[00:19:49] And that was stuff that we read about in second Kings and second Chronicles.

[00:19:54] Okay.

[00:19:55] Got it.

[00:19:56] And that happened in 609 BCE.

[00:19:57] Okay.

[00:19:58] Okay.

[00:19:59] But he was dethroned after three months by Faro Nico imprisoned, taking captive to Egypt and died without returning from there.

[00:20:08] Again, this is Second Kings and Second Chronicles

[00:20:10] and Ezekiel, and that fulfilled Jeremiah's prophecy

[00:20:14] in this chapter.

[00:20:14] So these time frames all kind of butt up

[00:20:16] against each other a little bit,

[00:20:17] but like apparently Egypt and the Babylonians

[00:20:21] had political influence over their leaders

[00:20:23] and were opposing and imposing leaders on them.

[00:20:26] And sounds like a crazy bunch of shit.

[00:20:29] And I didn't really catch that either the first time

[00:20:31] through in Chronicles and Kings,

[00:20:34] or the second time through in Jeremiah.

[00:20:37] Right.

[00:20:38] Or really the second time through would have been Ezekiel

[00:20:42] and then Nehemiah and then the third time through would have been Ezekiel and then Nehemiah and then the third time

[00:20:45] through would have been now, you know, in Jeremiah.

[00:20:48] It almost sounds to me like it's a power play between two larger cultures like the Babylonians

[00:20:53] and the Egyptians that's playing out in their land.

[00:20:56] Yeah, it's almost like they're using Judah, Jerusalem, Israel, all of that, as a proxy war.

[00:21:05] It's almost like Russia and the US

[00:21:07] using the Ukraine as a proxy war.

[00:21:10] Not to put modern day things happening

[00:21:15] again in context of the past, but why don't we?

[00:21:18] Let's do that.

[00:21:20] Let us use examples of what's happening today.

[00:21:23] Ridiculousness.

[00:21:25] So,

[00:21:27] versus 13 through 17 are about the message to Joaquin.

[00:21:32] So again, Jeremiah is sending all these messages to everybody.

[00:21:35] Yeah.

[00:21:36] Okay.

[00:21:37] The people are deceiving themselves

[00:21:38] if they think that God will not allow anyone

[00:21:41] to attack Jerusalem.

[00:21:42] They are going to be disappointed

[00:21:44] if they think that the city's fortified position guarantees it safety, which we know he's saying that for 20 odd chapters now.

[00:21:52] And if you've got two superpowers that are surrounding you and fighting over you, you're so fucked. Yeah. And you know it. Yeah.

[00:21:58] You know it. If you're telling yourself otherwise you're you're deluding yourself. Yeah. What you have to do is pick the lesser of two and hope that they will help you, you know,

[00:22:07] not die, not die at the hands of the other.

[00:22:10] Right. Yeah.

[00:22:10] So it's no wonder that they were like turning to

[00:22:14] like making deals with Egypt

[00:22:16] and then making some kind of concession to Babylon.

[00:22:19] They were just trying to survive.

[00:22:21] Yeah.

[00:22:22] So versus 18 through 19 are about the judgment to come upon Joachim.

[00:22:28] Okay. Okay. Again, these are all out of order. Sure. Because we've already talked about this

[00:22:32] dude. Right. Okay. Verse 18 says, therefore, thus says the Lord concerning Joachim, the son of Josiah,

[00:22:39] king of Judah, they shall not lament for him saying, Alas, my brother or last my sister.

[00:22:45] They shall not lament for him saying,

[00:22:47] Alas, master or alas, his glory.

[00:22:51] Verse 19 says,

[00:22:52] He shall be buried with the burial of a donkey,

[00:22:54] dragged and cast out beyond the gates of Jerusalem.

[00:22:58] So first of all, Joachim the son of Josiah

[00:23:01] is the second son of King Josiah,

[00:23:04] as stated in first Chronicles.

[00:23:06] He's also called Elia King before he was made King of Judah by Pharaoh Nikko to replace

[00:23:12] Jehoahaz and that we read about in 2 Kings and 2 Chronicles.

[00:23:17] This happened in circa 609 or 608 BCE.

[00:23:24] He reigned about 11 years until 598 BCE. Okay. Okay.

[00:23:29] Yeah.

[00:23:30] Rabbinical literature describes Joachim as a godless tyrant who committed atrocious

[00:23:37] sins and crimes. He is portrayed as living in incestuous relations with his mother, his daughter-in-law, his stepmother,

[00:23:47] all the women of his court, he was nasty,

[00:23:50] and he was in the habit of murdering men

[00:23:52] whose wives he then violated and whose property he seized.

[00:23:56] He also had tattooed his body,

[00:23:58] which we all know is just an egregious sin.

[00:24:01] Worthy of mentioning with incest and rape.

[00:24:04] Sure. Yeah. Sure.

[00:24:05] You know, yeah.

[00:24:06] Yeah.

[00:24:07] So not a good character.

[00:24:08] Not a good character tattoos aside.

[00:24:10] Right.

[00:24:10] Like I think tattoos are cool, but whatever.

[00:24:13] Yeah.

[00:24:13] Okay.

[00:24:14] Jeremiah criticized the King's policies, insisting on repentance and strict

[00:24:18] adherence to the law, right?

[00:24:21] Like not just legal law, but like the law. Yeah. Yeah. His despicable character earned him no

[00:24:29] respect from the people. And in 598 BC to end the siege of

[00:24:37] Jerusalem, the priests of Sanhedrin delivered him to

[00:24:41] Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, and he died as prophesied without proper burial.

[00:24:47] Got it, yeah.

[00:24:48] So he was piece of shit.

[00:24:49] Right.

[00:24:50] Okay, so side note, I have a side note here.

[00:24:52] That was already a really cool side note,

[00:24:54] but here's another side note, okay?

[00:24:57] While second, Kings gives no hint of this

[00:25:00] while King's death occurred while Jerusalem was besieged

[00:25:04] by the Babylonians because of

[00:25:05] his rebellion.

[00:25:07] And there is a highly plausible possibility that there was a palace revolt during this

[00:25:13] time, during which the king was assassinated and his body was cast over the wall indicating

[00:25:19] to the Babylonians that Jerusalem disassociated itself from his rebellious policy.

[00:25:25] Jerusalem certainly escaped relatively lightly

[00:25:29] when it did eventually surrender.

[00:25:31] So that's why they think, this probably happened.

[00:25:34] The people are probably like, no fuck that guy,

[00:25:36] we have nothing to do with him.

[00:25:38] Which I thought was worthy of including

[00:25:41] because the Bible always talks about the king being responsible for the people's

[00:25:48] daily lives and who they choose to worship or not worship.

[00:25:54] Right.

[00:25:55] Right.

[00:25:56] And in this case- Well, you got an excellent judgment based on how they get to the act

[00:25:57] too, which is- Yes.

[00:25:58] That's what I meant.

[00:25:59] The Bible says that.

[00:26:00] Right.

[00:26:01] Right.

[00:26:02] So in this case, in a historical context, it's like, but sometimes the people

[00:26:06] took shit into their own hands. Yeah, I like fuck this shit. Yeah, we're not about this

[00:26:10] king. So I just thought that was worth mentioning. Right. Okay, so verses 20 through 23 are about

[00:26:16] a prophecy against Jerusalem and her rulers. Okay. And verse 20 says, go up to Lebanon and cry out

[00:26:22] and lift up your voice to Bishan, cry from a barum

[00:26:26] for all your lovers are destroyed.

[00:26:29] Okay, Lebanon with its glorious forest

[00:26:32] was the very picture of beauty and prosperity

[00:26:35] as was Bishan with its rich pastures.

[00:26:39] Got it.

[00:26:39] Abram was, I'm sorry,

[00:26:41] a barum was the mountain range in the Southeast

[00:26:44] from which Moses had viewed

[00:26:46] the promised land.

[00:26:47] Okay.

[00:26:48] So that just kind of puts all of these various locations in a little bit of context geographically.

[00:26:53] Yeah.

[00:26:54] Okay.

[00:26:55] And next we're coming up on the message to Kania.

[00:26:58] Okay.

[00:26:59] Okay.

[00:27:00] And I believe that's Jekonaya depending on whether you're using Babylonian, Egyptian,

[00:27:06] Hebrew, whatever his name was.

[00:27:09] Okay.

[00:27:10] Right.

[00:27:11] So verses 24 through 27 read about the coming exile for Kania, also known as Jeccania and

[00:27:18] Joaquin.

[00:27:19] Okay.

[00:27:20] So those are all the same dude.

[00:27:21] Got it.

[00:27:22] Okay.

[00:27:23] Again, it just depends on who's referring to him in their text, right?

[00:27:26] so

[00:27:28] toward that end a lot of this stuff has been verified by other historical sources like

[00:27:35] Oh, I forget the name Josephus and I forget who the other historical guy that

[00:27:41] Wrote about all of these histories way back when. And so when they reference these guys, depending on their, what nation they were

[00:27:50] affiliated with was how they would call this guy.

[00:27:53] And then when we put it all together, that's how we're like, oh, okay.

[00:27:57] So this guy is called three different things depending on who's talking about them.

[00:28:00] Okay.

[00:28:01] So verse 24 says, as I live, says the Lord, though caniah, the son of Joachim, king of Judah,

[00:28:08] were the signet on my right hand, yet I would pluck you off. And you know, the signet was a ring.

[00:28:16] Yeah. Okay. Verse 25 says, and I will give you into the hand of those who seek your life and

[00:28:22] into the hand of those whose face you fear,

[00:28:26] the hand of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, and the hand of the Chaldeans, which is interesting

[00:28:31] because the Chaldeans and the Babylonians were often referred to interchangeably.

[00:28:36] Oh, okay.

[00:28:37] So I didn't know that.

[00:28:39] Yeah, that's interesting.

[00:28:41] Kaniya is an alternate spelling of the name Jeekonaya, the son of Joaquin, who succeeded his father Joaquin

[00:28:48] for three months and 10 days as a king of Judah. And that was

[00:28:52] mentioned in Second Kings and Second Chronicles. Right. And

[00:28:55] this was in 597 BCE. Okay. Okay. Until he and his family

[00:29:00] members, including his mother, as well as a number of his

[00:29:03] officers were exiled

[00:29:05] to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar, while the king of Babylon placed Zedekiah on the throne of Judah

[00:29:13] as reported in Jeremiah chapter 24, which we'll get to here shortly.

[00:29:17] I'll say it sounds like they just put it on Facebook.

[00:29:19] Yes.

[00:29:20] Because like, you know, they tossed the guy over, you know, they're like, they gave up the one king

[00:29:25] and this is the guy's son, right?

[00:29:27] Yes, but now we're talking about Zedekiah again.

[00:29:30] Right, but I'm saying before Zedekiah,

[00:29:32] this was the guy that reigned for three months

[00:29:34] was the guy that they had tossed over the wall's son.

[00:29:36] Right?

[00:29:37] So they just had a placeholder to like,

[00:29:39] okay, yeah, technically you're next in line.

[00:29:41] Just hang tight, man.

[00:29:43] We're gonna like, we got some shit that thing.

[00:29:45] Right, yeah.

[00:29:46] Yeah, yeah.

[00:29:47] So for 36 years,

[00:29:49] Jack and I remained in prison at Babylon.

[00:29:53] Okay.

[00:29:54] And the archeological evidence of his presence in Babylon

[00:29:57] was found in form of rations tablets

[00:30:00] bearing his name and title.

[00:30:02] Really? Yeah.

[00:30:04] That's actually really interesting.

[00:30:06] That is so cool, right?

[00:30:07] So again, we have like some historical proof of the existence of these people and what

[00:30:12] was happening to them.

[00:30:14] Okay.

[00:30:15] Yeah.

[00:30:16] So the Bible isn't all filled with lies except for the God parts.

[00:30:18] Right.

[00:30:19] No, I, I, I, I've said this before.

[00:30:24] I can, I can appreciate the Bible with regard to some of the historical context that it provides. But you know, you have to look at it outside of the God stuff because the God stuff is ridiculous.

[00:30:33] So it's so ridiculous. Yeah. When Nebuchadnezzar died, his son, Amal, Merodoc released, Jeccania, and gave him an honorable seat at his own table. And we read about that in Second Kings, and then somewhere else in Jeremiah,

[00:30:48] we're going to read about that.

[00:30:49] Yeah, I do recall that.

[00:30:50] They actually talked somewhat fondly of them as a seat like so.

[00:30:54] Yeah, yeah.

[00:30:54] They appreciated him.

[00:30:55] Right.

[00:30:56] So that's something that I kind of forgot about until I read this note.

[00:31:00] Yeah.

[00:31:01] Yeah.

[00:31:02] Right.

[00:31:03] So it's so confusing because I don't remember all of the Kings. I think we talked about this earlier in the week, all the Kings of

[00:31:10] Judah and Israel that they went through, all of this stuff that happened. And now we're reading

[00:31:15] about them as though we're supposed to have recalled them, like off the top of your head.

[00:31:19] Yeah. And I just don't. Right. You know, so it's very confusing. Yeah.

[00:31:21] Yeah. And I just don't.

[00:31:22] Right.

[00:31:23] You know, so it's very confusing.

[00:31:24] Yep.

[00:31:25] All right, verses 28 through 30 are about the curse on the line of Kanaia.

[00:31:30] Okay.

[00:31:31] Okay.

[00:31:32] Verse 28 says, is this man Kanaia a despised broken idol of vessel in which is no pleasure?

[00:31:38] Okay.

[00:31:39] We talked about this vessel in which there is no pleasure as a piss pot.

[00:31:44] Yeah. So that's a toilet.

[00:31:46] It's a technical term for a pot, a description of a vessel of inferior grade, this being

[00:31:51] an indirect and sarcastic reference to a piss pot, a.k.a. a toilet.

[00:31:56] Got it.

[00:31:57] Okay.

[00:31:57] So I just want to say it again.

[00:31:59] Piss pot.

[00:31:59] Yeah.

[00:32:00] Piss pot.

[00:32:00] Piss pot.

[00:32:01] You was a piss pot.

[00:32:02] Verse 30 says, thus says the Lord write this man down as childless, a man who shall not

[00:32:08] prosper in his days, for none of his descendants shall prosper, sitting on the throne of David

[00:32:14] and ruling anymore in Judah.

[00:32:16] And this is where we're worried about the end of the David line.

[00:32:20] Exactly.

[00:32:21] Got it.

[00:32:22] Exactly.

[00:32:23] Okay.

[00:32:24] Jack and I have seven sons according to first chronicles.

[00:32:25] Okay.

[00:32:26] But the Davidic lineage of kingship did not extend to his heirs.

[00:32:30] This prophecy obviously presents a problem because God promised David that his descendant

[00:32:36] would reign as Messiah over Israel and the world in second Samuel.

[00:32:41] Right.

[00:32:42] Yeah.

[00:32:43] Okay.

[00:32:44] By the time of Joachim and Kaniya, that descendant had not yet come.

[00:32:47] And here God seems to promise that it would be impossible for the descendant to come.

[00:32:51] Right. That's a problem. If someone was a blood descendant of David through Joachim,

[00:32:57] he could not sit on the throne of Israel and be the king. And the Messiah, he could not be the

[00:33:03] king and the Messiah because of this curse

[00:33:05] recorded in Jeremiah.

[00:33:06] Right.

[00:33:07] Yeah.

[00:33:08] But if the conqueror was not descended through David, he could not be the legal heir of the

[00:33:11] throne because of the promise made to David and the nature of the royal line.

[00:33:16] What are we going to do?

[00:33:17] I don't know.

[00:33:18] I don't either.

[00:33:19] I know.

[00:33:20] I'm worried.

[00:33:21] I'm curious.

[00:33:22] Yeah.

[00:33:23] So who is this Jesus guy that we're going to read about eventually, right?

[00:33:25] So okay, that was chapter 22. Now we're moving into chapter 23. Okay. Okay. So this is about the

[00:33:32] branch of righteousness, the return of the remnant. Okay. Turn of the Mac. You know that song?

[00:33:38] No clue what you're talking about. Oh, it's a hip hop song, return of the Mac.

[00:33:44] Still have no clue what you're talking about.

[00:33:46] I bet some of our listeners do it.

[00:33:48] I'm sure you're right.

[00:33:49] It's an 1980 song.

[00:33:49] Yeah.

[00:33:50] Okay.

[00:33:50] So verses one and two read about the woe to the shepherds who destroy.

[00:33:57] And verses three and four are about the promise to restore the wounded and scattered flock.

[00:34:02] Okay.

[00:34:03] And then verses five and six are about the king to come.

[00:34:06] First five reads,

[00:34:08] behold, the days are coming, says the Lord,

[00:34:11] that I will raise to David a branch of righteousness.

[00:34:14] And we're like, but how though?

[00:34:16] Right, because you just ended it.

[00:34:18] He just said you weren't.

[00:34:19] Right.

[00:34:20] So I don't know how you plan to fix that.

[00:34:22] Right.

[00:34:23] You messed up.

[00:34:24] Yeah. God promised that the Messiah would come from the line of David I don't know how you plan to fix that. You messed up.

[00:34:25] God promised that the Messiah would come from the line of David in 2 Samuel, which we just

[00:34:29] talked about.

[00:34:30] However, at the end of the previous chapter, God had promised that none from the royal line

[00:34:35] of Jecconiah would sit at the throne of David.

[00:34:37] It seemed at that point as if the royal line of David was cut down like a tree, hit it,

[00:34:43] branch, tree, branch.

[00:34:44] Yes, I got it. Didanched trees. I got it.

[00:34:45] Did you get it?

[00:34:46] I got it.

[00:34:46] Did you get it?

[00:34:47] I got it.

[00:34:47] Because they pointed out a couple of times do you get it?

[00:34:51] Do you get it?

[00:34:51] And I'm like, yes, branches come from trees.

[00:34:54] You're so clever.

[00:34:55] You right.

[00:34:56] OK, so verse six, part of it reads now.

[00:34:59] This is his name by which he will be called the Lord, our

[00:35:03] righteousness is So cute.

[00:35:05] But here's the thing.

[00:35:07] This is likely a play on the name of Zedekiah, which means my righteousness is

[00:35:11] Yahweh.

[00:35:13] Okay.

[00:35:14] So it's like they're saying the, the Messiah is going to be called the Lord

[00:35:19] our righteousness.

[00:35:21] And that's like, ha, ha, ha, and your name is my righteousness is Yahweh, but

[00:35:24] you're a piece of shit. Got it. So

[00:35:26] okay, no, you're not your your righteousness is not Yahweh. You

[00:35:31] are a liar and a fool and the real righteousness guy is

[00:35:34] coming. Sure. Okay. Yeah. Side note, we're not there yet. But

[00:35:39] Jesus is called our righteousness. So that's a thing.

[00:35:43] All right. He might be that Messiah. Magic. Okay,

[00:35:48] verses seven through eight are about the greatness of God's work of gathering and restoring.

[00:35:54] And God promises that the restoration of Israel will be greater than the actual creation of

[00:35:59] Israel. So that was the part where he was like, you know how they call me the dude that freed you from Egypt?

[00:36:08] And I created you through the desert and all those trials and whatever and I brought you to the Promised Land.

[00:36:14] That story's going to be nothing.

[00:36:16] Like my creation of you is your story right now and that's going to be nothing.

[00:36:21] The restoration of Israel is going to be better than the very creation of it.

[00:36:26] But they always have these moments where things are all going to shit, right?

[00:36:30] And it's always that it's going to be better on the other side.

[00:36:33] Yeah.

[00:36:34] You know, like it's a repetitive story that they pull up again and again.

[00:36:38] Oh, it's greater.

[00:36:39] Yeah.

[00:36:40] Yeah.

[00:36:41] It's like, yes, it might actually stay green if you quit trying to conquer other lands

[00:36:45] and embark on all of these crusades of religiosity.

[00:36:50] Why?

[00:36:51] I think that any time that shit happens, if they're going to believe in a god, they have

[00:36:56] to believe that whatever is happening and is happening for something better later on.

[00:37:00] Yeah.

[00:37:01] Right?

[00:37:02] Because if it's not, then what the fuck is the point?

[00:37:03] Yeah, you might as well lay down and die and say

[00:37:05] But life just sucks sometimes what?

[00:37:08] Sometimes meteors just hit your planet and kill everything. I don't think you should just lay down and die

[00:37:14] That's their thinking though. Oh, I don't I can't find anything to live for other than God

[00:37:20] And if there's no God that means everything's random. So I guess I'll just lay down and die.

[00:37:25] Which is bullshit.

[00:37:26] There's plenty to live for.

[00:37:27] It's just a matter of finding that truth in yourself.

[00:37:30] Oh, but see, there's all of these things in the Bible

[00:37:33] that say stop trusting your own heart.

[00:37:35] Yeah, well, they can fuck off.

[00:37:37] Right, no, I totally agree with you.

[00:37:38] That's how I feel about that.

[00:37:39] I totally agree with you.

[00:37:40] So this next section is about the pain brought

[00:37:43] with false prophets and the denunciation of those lying prophets.

[00:37:48] Okay.

[00:37:49] Okay.

[00:37:50] Versus nine and ten, talk about Jeremiah's broken heart over false prophets.

[00:37:54] He's so shook, you know, he's all sad and he's like, why are these guys using your words?

[00:37:59] This is so, oh my God.

[00:38:01] And you know, his bones are quaking and so.

[00:38:03] Yeah.

[00:38:04] Yeah. Oh my God, and you know, his bones are quaken and so. Yeah, yeah. And then verses 11 through 12 are about profane prophets and priests, those bastards.

[00:38:09] Okay.

[00:38:10] And then verses 13 and 15 are about the judgment promised against the corrupt prophets.

[00:38:16] Okay.

[00:38:17] Okay.

[00:38:18] And verse 13 reads, and I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria. They promised by Baal and caused my people Israel to air.

[00:38:28] It's those guys' fault that my people fell.

[00:38:31] Yeah.

[00:38:32] God is comparing the prophets of Jerusalem and Judah to be like the prophets of Samaria

[00:38:38] that led the Northern Kingdom to spiritual and social ruin some 150 years before.

[00:38:43] He's specifically talking about Sodom and

[00:38:46] Gomorrah.

[00:38:47] Oh, okay.

[00:38:48] So he's like, can you even believe all this shit?

[00:38:51] Are you sure? I thought that was more than 150 years prior. That was an old Old Testament.

[00:38:55] Oh, maybe I'm getting this confused with another section because I know that they mentioned

[00:38:59] Sodom and Gomorrah.

[00:39:00] Got it. Yeah. I mean, 150 years prior would have been the fall of the northern kingdom

[00:39:04] of the state of Concord, but I don't think if it's a chapter. It might be next chapter. I don't know if it's a chapter.

[00:39:05] It might be next chapter.

[00:39:06] It might be next chapter.

[00:39:07] It might be next chapter.

[00:39:08] It might be next chapter.

[00:39:09] I don't think the fall of the northern kingdom just ate the conquered, but I don't think

[00:39:12] that had any idea of the sound of Gomorrah.

[00:39:13] No, you're right.

[00:39:14] I was tying a future note that I'm not at yet with this.

[00:39:17] Got it.

[00:39:18] So my bad, whatever.

[00:39:19] Does it matter?

[00:39:20] I mean, it does matter.

[00:39:21] For context, it matters.

[00:39:22] Yeah.

[00:39:23] Yeah.

[00:39:24] Okay. Well, that was my mistake. So if you have... Especially since Sodom and Gomorrah is such a prominent thing in the Bible, I just

[00:39:25] if you have a bingo board, you can go ahead and cross that off.

[00:39:30] Okay, because the people have poisoned the nation's spiritual springs, the Lord

[00:39:35] planned to inflict similar physical judgment on them portrayed by bitter food and poisoned water.

[00:39:42] So that's the pestilence and drought that he promises to bring

[00:39:45] the people. Got it. Yeah. Versus 16 through 17 are about don't listen to the corrupt prophets,

[00:39:52] stupid. They're corrupt. Great. And then verses 16 through 17 are what I just said, or I'm sorry,

[00:39:59] along with 16 and 17 don't listen to the corrupt prophets or also don't listen to your heart.

[00:40:05] But Roxette begs to differ.

[00:40:06] Listen to your heart when he's calling for you.

[00:40:11] Yes, I do know that one.

[00:40:13] Yeah.

[00:40:14] Yeah.

[00:40:15] Okay.

[00:40:16] Versus 18 through 20 are about the serious nature

[00:40:18] of God's judgments.

[00:40:19] This is very serious.

[00:40:21] Is it very serious?

[00:40:22] This nature is very serious.

[00:40:24] Got it. The nature of which is serious.

[00:40:26] Okay.

[00:40:27] Okay.

[00:40:28] First nineteen reads behold a whirlwind of the Lord has gone forth and fury a violent

[00:40:33] whirlwind.

[00:40:34] Okay.

[00:40:35] And this is like really not to do with anything other than I just found it so fucking interesting.

[00:40:41] There's this wind called a semoon.

[00:40:44] Okay. And it's a hot

[00:40:46] pestilential wind blowing from the

[00:40:48] south, frequently mentioned or

[00:40:50] referred to in the sacred writings

[00:40:53] is and its temperature may exceed

[00:40:56] 54 degrees Celsius or 129 degrees

[00:41:00] Fahrenheit. Wow. It is some hot

[00:41:02] fucking wind. Yeah. And I was like,

[00:41:04] what do you mean? It's like

[00:41:06] frequently mentioned. Well, Dickens refers to it in many of his literature.

[00:41:12] Wadsworth referred to it in some of his poetry. Oh, I forget, I should have written these

[00:41:19] down, but there's a bunch of people who refer to it in their literature throughout American

[00:41:24] history alone. But yeah, this is apparently just a word of people who refer to it in their literature throughout American history alone.

[00:41:29] But yeah, this is apparently just a word that people know that I never heard of. Samoon.

[00:41:29] Got it.

[00:41:30] It's a Samoon.

[00:41:31] It's like a derecho.

[00:41:32] It's like a derecho that we never, like, we never heard about a derecho until all of a sudden,

[00:41:38] what, like 10 years ago, it was like raining cats and dogs and they were like, it's a derecho.

[00:41:43] And everybody was looking at each other going,

[00:41:45] what the fuck is a derecho?

[00:41:47] But like on the news, all the reporters are like,

[00:41:50] what, we've been using this term for ages.

[00:41:52] And I'm like, you're lying.

[00:41:53] You have, you have not.

[00:41:54] I've never heard it before.

[00:41:55] You've never said that before.

[00:41:57] And the fact that you're saying it 100 times in a row

[00:42:01] shows me that you're a liar face

[00:42:03] because you're just so excited about this new word you

[00:42:05] just learned. You have mentioned it. Yeah. Yeah. DeRachio. Get the fuck out of here. I'm not saying

[00:42:10] it's not a word. I'm saying that it wasn't in common American vernacular. Right. Until all of a

[00:42:16] sudden it just was. Right. Fuck off. Okay. Anyway, versus 21 through 22 are about the corrupt prophets who were not sent by God, which haven't we covered that already?

[00:42:27] Yeah, the wrong. Okay, verses 23 through 24 are about the foolishness of resisting or rejecting God.

[00:42:35] Don't do it. Right. And then 25 through 27 are about prophetic lies, those lying liars who tell lies like Republicans Then verses 28 through 29 are about the low place of spiritual phenomena compared to the word of God

[00:42:52] Got it. Don't don't do things that are not the word of God. Okay. Yeah, you'll be low. I guess I guess sure

[00:43:00] Versus 30 through 33 are about God against the corrupt prophets which I mean can we just get over

[00:43:08] this now? Can we have a different chapter? Almost there. Um verses 33 through 40 are about no longer

[00:43:15] mentioned the oracle or the burden of the Lord. Okay. And I thought this was interesting.

[00:43:21] The section is somewhat difficult because of a pun and word play in Hebrew.

[00:43:26] The key word is Massa, M-A-S-S-A,

[00:43:30] which meant both burden and oracle

[00:43:34] in the sense of revelation from God.

[00:43:36] Like an oracle is in and of itself a burden

[00:43:39] placed upon a prophet.

[00:43:41] Okay.

[00:43:42] Does that make sense?

[00:43:43] Yes.

[00:43:44] Okay. And sometimes one sense of the word is intended,

[00:43:47] sometimes the other and sometimes both. So sometimes they're saying oracle, sometimes they're saying

[00:43:52] burden, and sometimes they're saying a burdeny oracle or oracle that's a burden. Okay. Okay.

[00:43:58] And the word came to mean that which was placed as a burden on the heart of a prophet. Got it.

[00:44:05] Which is an oracle.

[00:44:06] Right. Yeah.

[00:44:07] Right. So the mass of Yahweh is that the people are a massa is

[00:44:13] basically what they're saying. Okay. Okay. Which means the

[00:44:17] oracle of Yahweh is that the people are a burden or the

[00:44:21] burden of Yahweh is that the people are a burden.

[00:44:26] Okay. Okay. All right. So the people are a burden to Yahweh.

[00:44:29] Yeah. Got it.

[00:44:30] They're trying him all the time.

[00:44:31] I just, I was tired that God of that God of ours.

[00:44:34] You know, he's so tired.

[00:44:36] People are so fucking burdensome.

[00:44:39] Yeah.

[00:44:39] I'm like, oh, that's on you.

[00:44:41] Bro, bro, boo, whatever.

[00:44:46] Oh, no. Look what I just did. I just scored.

[00:44:47] I just, oops.

[00:44:48] Okay, I found my spot.

[00:44:49] Good job.

[00:44:50] Chapter 24.

[00:44:51] Okay.

[00:44:52] Yeah.

[00:44:53] We're getting it and we're closing on to the finish.

[00:44:55] All right.

[00:44:56] Yeah.

[00:44:57] This is about the lesson from the good and bad figs.

[00:45:00] Okay.

[00:45:01] For the figs.

[00:45:02] Yes I do.

[00:45:03] Okay.

[00:45:04] The two baskets of figs. Okay. First one is about the time and place of the lesson, and the time of the vision is after 597 BCE. Okay.

[00:45:13] Verse one reads, the Lord showed me and there were two baskets of figs set before the temple of the Lord after Nebuchadnezzar King of Babylon and carried away captive.

[00:45:22] Kenebukkeneser, King of Babylon, had carried away captive,

[00:45:23] Jekoniah, the son of Joachim, King of Judah,

[00:45:26] and the princes of Judah,

[00:45:27] with the craftsmen and smiths from Jerusalem,

[00:45:30] and had brought them to Babylon.

[00:45:32] King Jekoniah of Judah reigned only a few months.

[00:45:36] He was deposed and exiled as in 2 Kings,

[00:45:39] but Nebuchadnezzar came a second time to Jerusalem

[00:45:42] in 597 BCE.

[00:45:44] After his short reign, King Zedekiah reigned.

[00:45:47] He, his 11 year reign was the last of the kings of Judah

[00:45:52] before a complete Babylonian conquest.

[00:45:56] Okay.

[00:45:57] This prophecy was likely delivered

[00:45:59] in the first year of the reign of Zedekiah.

[00:46:03] Okay.

[00:46:04] So again, out of order, right? Like what the fuck is happening?

[00:46:07] Right. So verses two and three are about what Jeremiah saw the two fucking baskets of figs,

[00:46:13] which were likely they were left before a temple. So they were likely an offering of some sort.

[00:46:20] Okay. They weren't just like random figs sitting around as you and I suggested like there go some figs just sitting there. Right. Right. So then we're going to learn

[00:46:30] about the baskets of figs. Okay. Okay. Versus four through seven are about the good basket of

[00:46:35] figs, the good ones, the wasp-y ones. Right. Right. Okay. Verse five reads,

[00:46:40] thus says the Lord the God of Israel, like these good figs. So will I acknowledge those who are carried away captive from Judah, who might have sent

[00:46:48] out of this place for their own good into the land of the Chaudians.

[00:46:53] Well the people at that time assumed those into the exile are the objects of God's wrath.

[00:47:00] God says that he actually favors them and will return them back to Israel to become a faithful

[00:47:05] and fruitful nation.

[00:47:09] Figs are fruit.

[00:47:10] Get it.

[00:47:11] Get it.

[00:47:12] Okay.

[00:47:13] Verse six reads, I will set my eyes on them for good and I will bring them back to this

[00:47:16] land.

[00:47:17] I will build them and not pull them down and I will plant them and not pluck them up.

[00:47:22] Except he will because he does. Yeah, right.

[00:47:25] So God promised to bless those represented by the good figs, even in captivity and to

[00:47:32] bring them back to this land.

[00:47:34] And they would be among those who came back to Judah with Ezra and Nehemiah starting

[00:47:39] around 538 BCE.

[00:47:42] Okay.

[00:47:43] So this whole book takes place before books that we already read.

[00:47:47] And that is so fucking confusing.

[00:47:48] It really is.

[00:47:49] I hate it.

[00:47:50] Yeah.

[00:47:51] I want it to die.

[00:47:52] All right.

[00:47:53] So then versus eight through ten are about the basket of bad figs, bad figs.

[00:47:59] So bad.

[00:48:00] Verse eight reads, and as the bad figs, which cannot be eaten, they are so bad. Thus surely says the Lord.

[00:48:08] So will I give up Zedekiah, the king of Judah, his princes, the residue of Jerusalem, who remain in this land,

[00:48:14] and those who dwelt in the land of Egypt. So basically, those who remained in Jerusalem thought they were favored by God,

[00:48:21] but God declared that he gone destroy them. Every one of them, including

[00:48:25] King Zedekiah, he going getcha. Okay. Yeah. All right. So that was chapter 24. Okay. Now

[00:48:32] we're on our final chapter chapter 25. Okay. Okay. Chapter 25 is also, as we mentioned,

[00:48:38] in some weird, all of a sudden way, the final chapter in the first section of the book of

[00:48:42] Jeremiah that we didn't even know was broken into sections and even though I've looked ahead I've never really found any other mention

[00:48:48] of it being broken into sections. So I'm like what are you talking about weirdos? Okay and this deals

[00:48:57] with the earliest and main core of Jeremiah's message. In this chapter Jeremiah identified the length of the time of exile as 70 years.

[00:49:06] Right. Okay.

[00:49:06] Yeah.

[00:49:07] So verses one and two are about the word to Judah and Jerusalem.

[00:49:13] So this prophecy was delivered in the fourth year of Joachim and the chapter that contains

[00:49:18] it is utterly out of its place. It should be between chapters 35 and 36.

[00:49:24] its place, it should be between chapters 35 and 36.

[00:49:25] That's exciting. Yeah. Babylon conquered Egypt in 605 BCE, the fourth year of

[00:49:31] Joachim's reign. So let me just reiterate in case you weren't

[00:49:33] paying attention, Babylon conquered Egypt.

[00:49:37] Okay. Okay. Yeah.

[00:49:39] In 605 BCE.

[00:49:41] Okay.

[00:49:41] This was the fourth year of Joachim's reign according to Judean reckoning or the third

[00:49:47] year of his reign according to Babylonian reckoning.

[00:49:50] Got it.

[00:49:51] So we don't know.

[00:49:52] Okay.

[00:49:53] Third or fourth year.

[00:49:54] Sure.

[00:49:55] Okay.

[00:49:56] At this point, Judah came under the direct control of Babylon for the first time and Jeremiah

[00:50:01] now clearly sees his prophecies being fulfilled before his very eyes.

[00:50:06] He's like, oh shit, it's coming.

[00:50:11] He reminds the people that for over 20 years he's been trying to bring God's message to

[00:50:15] him, but they have not been listening.

[00:50:17] He's like, I've been telling you for 20 years, he won't get you.

[00:50:20] He's the conspiracy theorist that it finally paid off for him.

[00:50:23] Yep, exactly.

[00:50:25] The doomsday prepper, that is like I've been living for this day, right?

[00:50:31] So verse one reads, the word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the people of Judah

[00:50:37] in the fourth year of Joachim, the son of Josiah, king of Judah, which was the first

[00:50:42] year of Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon. That last bit was parentheses voice.

[00:50:47] And it matters because parentheses voice represents words and parentheses.

[00:50:53] And these bracketed words, let me read them again, which was the first year

[00:50:57] of Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon.

[00:51:00] They were likely added later as they were not included in the Septuagint.

[00:51:04] Okay.

[00:51:04] So they were just added as this they were not included in the Septuagint. Okay. So they were just added as, this is who this guy is in case you forgot. Yeah, it was like a

[00:51:11] Post-it, a sticky note. Okay. Yeah. So I thought that was interesting. Yeah. Okay, verses three through

[00:51:16] seven are about the rejected word of the prophets. Okay. So part of verse three reads,

[00:51:23] this is the 23rd year in which the word of the Lord has come to me.

[00:51:27] And I've spoken to you rising early and speaking, but you've not listened,

[00:51:31] you fucks. Okay. Jeremiah had prophesied for almost 20 years under Josiah,

[00:51:37] followed by just three months under Johoahaz and three years under Joachim.

[00:51:43] He was therefore in the middle of his career at this point.

[00:51:47] Okay. Okay. So mathematically, he's still got a little ways to go.

[00:51:51] Right. Okay. So verses eight through 11 are about the 70 years of desolation that are about to come.

[00:51:58] Okay. First nine reads, behold, I will send and take all the families of the North," says the Lord. So the families of the North have been interpreted as being the allies of the

[00:52:08] King of Babylon, the many nations comprising the Babylonian Empire, subunits

[00:52:14] or divisions of a tribe, a political unit, or the Babylonians in general.

[00:52:20] So we don't know. But he won't get you. Okay. The rest of verse nine reads, Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon, my servant will bring

[00:52:30] them against this land, against its fucking inhabitants and against all those God damnations

[00:52:36] all around.

[00:52:37] Okay.

[00:52:38] Obviously I'm paraphrasing.

[00:52:40] Right.

[00:52:41] When Jeremiah, when Jeremiah made this prophecy, Babylon had just established itself as the dominant

[00:52:49] world power by defeating the rival Egyptians at Karshamesh.

[00:52:53] Okay.

[00:52:54] Okay.

[00:52:55] So they're like, King of the world.

[00:52:57] Right, right.

[00:52:58] Boo, yeah, bitches.

[00:52:59] Okay.

[00:53:00] So Babylonian is just like full of itself at this moment.

[00:53:04] Sure. Now, the Septuagint does not include the words my servant when referring to Nebuchadnezzar,

[00:53:10] King of Babylon.

[00:53:12] And that is likely because the translator, the Greek translator objected to giving such

[00:53:18] a title and such a place of honor to a pagan king.

[00:53:21] Got it.

[00:53:21] Which I was like, yeah, I'm good for you, little translator guy. Like you

[00:53:26] writing that shit and you're like, nope, not putting that in there. Right. Hardly anybody

[00:53:30] can read right now. So nobody will notice. We know this. And when they're talking about,

[00:53:37] um, uh, oh, I'm sorry, let me get back to where it was first Verse 11, and this whole land shall be a desolation and an astonishment, and these nation cells

[00:53:47] serve the king of Babylon 70 years.

[00:53:51] So quote unquote, these nations include Judah and the surrounding nations, such as Moab

[00:53:57] and Phoenicia.

[00:53:58] Okay.

[00:53:59] So there's a big ton of people.

[00:54:01] And 70 years may represent the length of a lifetime. So it might have just been like,

[00:54:07] I'll make this little prophecy and say, we are going to be captive for the length of a lifetime

[00:54:14] of a man. And then I'll be dead. So who cares? You'll notice. Right. And the 70 years of serving the king of Babylon began circa

[00:54:25] 605 BCE, according to 2 Kings, and ended circa 536 BCE, according

[00:54:32] to Ezra.

[00:54:32] And that is 69 years.

[00:54:35] Got it.

[00:54:35] So not bad math, actually.

[00:54:38] Right.

[00:54:38] OK.

[00:54:39] So which is interesting, it almost like if somebody was really

[00:54:44] paying attention, they'll be like, the fact that he rounded up to 70

[00:54:48] shows that it's a prophecy because like, you know,

[00:54:54] he didn't just back date it and fill it in.

[00:54:56] He gave a roundabout because he wasn't sure

[00:54:59] because you know, it was magical prophecy.

[00:55:00] But also there were still stuff going on in 597.

[00:55:03] Right.

[00:55:04] Like the official was like

[00:55:05] 586. You don't actually know that the beginning date and the end date of a war are happening

[00:55:14] until decades later. Well, it's just that I've heard you throw out multiple times and

[00:55:17] like the six you said 605 just now right? Uh huh. At one point earlier in the in the Q

[00:55:22] and A you were saying it was 586 is when they actually

[00:55:25] went into exile. So like that was the final like in this Joaquin or Joaquin, whichever

[00:55:30] one it was, was in power in 597. That's when he got taken captured. So there's a lot of

[00:55:36] stuff that happened after this 605 timeframe that makes it that perfect 70 year mark. And

[00:55:41] that doesn't seem to, that doesn't pan out. That doesn't work.

[00:55:44] Yeah. No, it, I just thought it was interesting. I was like, Oh, as long as I've got this right

[00:55:48] here, let me pull out my calculator. And that little statement was, sure, if you want to

[00:55:53] make it sound like like what they're doing is they're making it. It's some apologists

[00:55:57] saying, we're going to put the start of it here because they did take some captors here.

[00:56:02] And then we're going to put the end here because they did kind of release here. And that makes it close to 70. So that's perfect.

[00:56:08] Yeah. And then it's an actual prophecy. But fuck that. No, I agree.

[00:56:11] There's no perfect number here because it this was all going on for a long time and ended over a

[00:56:17] long time. So it's like asking what the official start and end date of like World War I or World War II or we can give official dates that we as a country

[00:56:28] or even as a world agree to, but that doesn't mean

[00:56:31] that shit wasn't happening before and after.

[00:56:33] Right.

[00:56:34] Like hello.

[00:56:35] So versus 12 through 14 are about what happens

[00:56:40] after the 70 years.

[00:56:42] Okay.

[00:56:43] Verse 13 reads, so I will bring on that land all my words,

[00:56:46] which I have pronounced against it,

[00:56:48] all that is written in this book,

[00:56:50] which Jeremiah has prophesied concerning all the nations.

[00:56:54] Okay, at this point,

[00:56:55] we see one of the most obvious discrepancies

[00:56:58] between the Septuagint, the Greek version,

[00:57:01] versus the Hebrew version of Jeremiah.

[00:57:04] Okay. The Greek version ends the Hebrew version of Jeremiah. Okay. The Greek version ends the

[00:57:07] sentence with in this book. So I will bring on that land all my words, which I have promised,

[00:57:12] which I have pronounced against it. All that is written in this book, boom, period the end.

[00:57:17] Sure. Okay. And then begins a new section with the title, what Jeremiah prophecy against the nations.

[00:57:30] But the way we read it is instead of a period, it's a comma, and instead of saying what Jeremiah, we're saying,

[00:57:33] which Jeremiah had prophecies concerning all the nations.

[00:57:36] Got it.

[00:57:36] So it's just interesting the way we set things up and interpret them.

[00:57:40] Right.

[00:57:41] So who's to say which is more correct?

[00:57:43] Yeah.

[00:57:43] I don't know.

[00:57:46] Okay, moving on. So now we're getting into that whole cup of wrath thing. Okay. Remember the cup? Remember how

[00:57:51] it had wrath inside it? Yes. Okay. Remember how it's going to make them drunk with fury or some

[00:57:55] shit? Yes. Okay. So versus 15 and 16, we're about the cup of God's fury. And then verses 17 through 26, we're about Jerusalem as the cup of staggering.

[00:58:08] Okay. Got it.

[00:58:09] So in verse 23, we read about these various places

[00:58:15] called Dedan, Tima, Buzz, and all who are in

[00:58:19] the farthest corners.

[00:58:20] Remember, I told you I would read a little bit more

[00:58:22] about those places. Right.

[00:58:23] So these groups have been identified as various North Arabian tribes and they comprise kingdoms

[00:58:29] that made up virtually the entire world of the Old Testament.

[00:58:33] So all the known world at that time, flat earth, right?

[00:58:38] Yeah.

[00:58:39] Okay.

[00:58:40] So De Dan was a son of Abraham by Kachura from Genesis 25,

[00:58:45] just to put a little bit of background

[00:58:47] on who these people are and what their background is.

[00:58:53] Got it.

[00:58:53] So Tima was one of the sons of Ishmael

[00:58:57] in the north of Arabia in Genesis 36.

[00:59:01] Okay.

[00:59:02] Okay.

[00:59:03] Buzz was the brother of Oz, and they are descendants of Nahor, brother of

[00:59:09] Abraham, settled in Arabia in Genesis 22. Okay. And then the Zimri were descendants of Abraham

[00:59:18] by Kachara in Genesis 25. Okay. So I just thought that was cool. Like I said, to give some background on these people. Yeah. Okay. Verse 26, part of it reads also the king of Shishash shall drink after

[00:59:33] them or Shishak, however we pronounce it right, right. And Shishash is a codename for the

[00:59:38] Babylon's taken from a common cipher known as at bash, a common system of secret writing that substituted the

[00:59:48] last letter of the Hebrew alphabet for the first. Okay. Okay. So like a like a kind of,

[00:59:54] but it's like a would be Z, B would be Y, right? You know, that kind of thing. And the next to the

[01:00:01] last with the second and then they go on through the Hebrew consonants.

[01:00:05] Okay.

[01:00:06] Okay.

[01:00:07] And the name derives from the first, last, second, and second to last Hebrew letters.

[01:00:11] So a left, tau is as, and then bet, shin is B. So A-S-B-Y, or I'm sorry, a left-tall bet, Shin, and then that comes to, what did I call it, at-bash.

[01:00:30] So a left-tall at, and then bet, Shin, bash.

[01:00:34] Got it.

[01:00:35] So I just thought that was cool.

[01:00:37] In English that would be A-Z-B-Y, like I said, so as-be, which I was like, oh, I might make a name in a

[01:00:45] book I write with a character named as be because that's cool.

[01:00:49] Right?

[01:00:50] Yeah.

[01:00:51] Okay.

[01:00:51] Babylon and child, they are typically named openly and often, but

[01:00:55] this gives a glimpse into the precautions, which people

[01:00:58] evidently had to take it certain times in conversations or

[01:01:02] correspondence, even though it was a very simple cipher.

[01:01:05] Okay.

[01:01:06] So I just thought that was interesting.

[01:01:07] Right.

[01:01:08] Right.

[01:01:09] Versus 27 through 29 are about the nations being forced to drink from the cup.

[01:01:14] Yeah.

[01:01:15] And versus 30 through 33 about the Lord's controversy with those nations and the bodies

[01:01:21] of the dead will lie rotting and stinking in the sun like poopy.

[01:01:25] Right. Right.

[01:01:26] And dukey. Yeah.

[01:01:27] Okay. And then voices, 30 voices, vorshes, 34 through 38 are about the anger of the Lord

[01:01:34] against the shepherds. Verse 38 reads, he, the Lord has left his layer like the lion for their land

[01:01:41] is desolate because of the fierceness of the oppressor.

[01:01:44] Right. The capital of oppressor. Yeah. Yeah. So as we were reading it, we commented God

[01:01:51] presents himself here as the oppressor. But it has also been suggested that the oppressor

[01:01:57] refers to the agents of God's judgment, such as the Babylonians and not directly to God himself. Okay.

[01:02:05] Or this is also interesting, a slight alteration supported by the Septoagint and as such adopted

[01:02:12] by many commentators, instead of saying the fierceness of the oppressor, they say because

[01:02:20] of the sword, okay?

[01:02:22] Got it.

[01:02:23] The sword of the oppressor. And the word for oppressor or oppression also means dove.

[01:02:28] And this bird was blazoned on the standards

[01:02:31] of the Babylonians and so had become a symbol

[01:02:34] of their power of oppression.

[01:02:36] So the text reading is very difficult to defend.

[01:02:40] Like seeing it God as the oppressor.

[01:02:43] And the punctuation itself is really more in favor of the variant than in the text as we were reading it.

[01:02:50] Got it.

[01:02:50] So it's more likely that God was not calling himself an oppressor.

[01:02:55] He was referring to the Babylonians as oppressors.

[01:02:58] Okay.

[01:02:59] All right.

[01:02:59] Even though there is a capital O, but they're his tool.

[01:03:02] So right.

[01:03:03] That is true.

[01:03:04] Yeah.

[01:03:04] Good call. Good call. the capital O. But they're his tool. So that's why it is true. Yeah.

[01:03:05] Good call.

[01:03:06] Good call.

[01:03:07] So that is our Q&A for chapters 21 through 25 of Jeremiah.

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