Jeremiah Chapters 31 - 35 Q&A: Atheist Bible Study

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[00:01:23] queuing in A&E today? We are queuing two things. Okay. The first Q is I wanted to

[00:01:31] learn a little bit more about the rest ofites and if they are Levites, like

[00:01:36] what the fuck is that about? Sure. So that's like on a small scale so that one's

[00:01:40] gonna be like... short, quick, yeah whatever. Okay. Here's a few facts about

[00:01:45] Resbud. Yeah. Okay. Sounds good. On the the bigger end of the spectrum what's

[00:01:50] gonna take us a little time because this one's kind of interesting is the why

[00:01:56] the fuck are the books in different orders? Oh see I was I've been pushing this all

[00:02:01] along I've been like hey let's figure this out. Okay here's the thing I know this

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[00:02:08] is both more boring than you think it is but that all of the history that I'm

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[00:04:39] all right so first we're gonna talk about those recipes okay yeah and I'm

[00:04:49] absolutely 100% positive that I am saying it wrong and that's okay because I am

[00:04:55] neither a scholar nor an academic so when you do research you don't research on

[00:04:59] the pronunciation um no usually not it just doesn't occur to me it's not like I'm

[00:05:05] actively avoiding it is because research is done silently yeah as I'm reading I was just

[00:05:11] asking you know I didn't only the only time that I actively do pronunciations is in my

[00:05:17] um studying of the Latin language yeah and I will listen to words over and over and over again

[00:05:22] got it yeah but just for like actual research I'm just silently reading got it so no I probably

[00:05:29] should look it up but I honestly almost don't care and that's probably bad so I probably shouldn't

[00:05:35] have said that but what is true do you care how I pronounce it I mean ultimately know as long

[00:05:41] as you know we learn about it it's still basically the same thing so right it's just I mean are

[00:05:47] we ever coming back to these recipes I don't think so yeah I don't know based on my research

[00:05:51] I don't think so okay so let's talk about them guys a little bit sure so remember God promised

[00:05:57] them um that they shall not want a man to stand before me forever right right yeah um you know

[00:06:04] they're gonna be always good in his eyes no matter what forever and ever and ever right yeah that's

[00:06:11] interpreted by Jewish scholars to mean that they shall become scribes and members of the San

[00:06:16] Hadron and I know we talked about the San Hadron before I don't really remember what it is yeah

[00:06:22] yeah group of like people right make decisiony things okay I think we're not there yet

[00:06:28] okay why I'm like we'll talk about them yeah sounds familiar I just don't know exactly

[00:06:32] right yeah they're just they're they're smarties I also think it has to do with like kabbala stuff

[00:06:38] okay like they're just um a conference of old guys that sit around the table and a conference

[00:06:47] table and make decisions about things that's my impression of what the San Hadron is got it

[00:06:53] okay so the the Rechovites you should be aware did actually become scribes okay oh okay that was

[00:07:01] apparently mentioned in first chronicles which I don't remember I I don't either but I also

[00:07:07] didn't give a shit about the Rechovites nights mites and I might have just forgotten okay yeah so

[00:07:14] or not forgotten so much as didn't care to pay attention got it because sometimes that happens

[00:07:19] to me I forget to pay attention so anyway um they did indeed become scribes and they did indeed go on

[00:07:27] to sit with the San Hadron so just to be clear I did look it up here real quick just to make sure

[00:07:33] the San Hadron was actually a Jewish court system with both legislative and judicial powers okay

[00:07:39] there was two there was a great San Hadron and a lesser San Hadron etc etc etc okay so it wasn't far

[00:07:45] off I just wasn't totally correct right right maybe they played a crucial role in interpreting

[00:07:50] religious law overseeing religious practice and handling some of the political influence and stuff

[00:07:54] like that good on you yeah right you know we're here I might as well look it up you know sure sure

[00:07:59] I appreciate that yeah again not really practical to what we're doing today but I were mentioning

[00:08:05] it so I thought I'd throw it out there good on you this is a Q&A after all that's right right

[00:08:09] and I had a Q so I felt I'd ate it way to go A all right so it had been observed that God's

[00:08:17] covenant with the Reshabites or I'm sorry it has been observed by scholars and stuff that God's

[00:08:24] covenant with the Reshabites was superior to the covenant that God made with David and let me explain

[00:08:31] why let me explain why okay yeah because David's um covenant was conditional according to Psalms

[00:08:40] okay yeah it depended upon things yeah while God's um covenant with the Reshabites was without

[00:08:48] reservation he's like period the end y'all are good forever that's the end of the sentence

[00:08:54] the fuck yeah what the fuck is that all about that's about when men write down sentences they don't

[00:09:01] necessarily plan ahead for the repercussions and compare this sentence to a sentence in a different

[00:09:07] place yeah that's what that's about okay um scholars do agree that the Reshabites

[00:09:13] represented a reaction against canonitis civilization okay so basically the the idolatry and stuff

[00:09:22] that was going on in Israel at that time yes yes um in the wilderness the religion of Yahweh was the

[00:09:29] religion of a simple nomadic people devoid of all of that ritual and um you know all the all the

[00:09:39] weird things that they were doing yeah okay and there was greater wealth in the cities of canon

[00:09:45] and all of that came together to make um the the canonites very um just active and impressive

[00:09:54] and all of that and so um they just wanted to shun that and they were like bitch bye right got it okay

[00:10:00] so that answers that question kind of some sure sure they went on to do stuff and then disappeared

[00:10:06] into history right right yeah okay so now let's move on to the better question okay why the fuck is

[00:10:15] the Samhedrin it not the Samhedrin the Septuagint both are with us why the fuck is the Septuagint

[00:10:25] in a different order particularly we notice this in Jeremiah yeah from the bible that we are reading

[00:10:31] right that's the question that you had that you kept bothering me about well it only because

[00:10:36] you kept mentioning it so like it wasn't it wouldn't have been relevant to me or I wouldn't

[00:10:40] have really even cared if you hadn't mentioned it so often so I was like well I need to know why

[00:10:46] so okay there's several different answers and I'm gonna go through some history okay and some of

[00:10:52] the history may have you kind of looking at me like how the fuck is that relevant right because I do

[00:10:58] that yeah you also look at me like that's interesting but it's not related to this could you stick

[00:11:05] on subject yes and I'm gonna tell you all of this is on subject okay it's all related so just

[00:11:11] stick around for the ride okay yeah so the order of the books in our Old Testament has been changed

[00:11:18] from the order in the three volume Hebrew Bible okay and the three volume Hebrew Bible consists

[00:11:26] of the Torah which is the law the Nevam which is the prophets okay and then the Katoovum which is

[00:11:33] the writings got it okay so those are the three sections and we have all of those just in a different

[00:11:39] order in our book okay that's already different from how it's left the Hebrew Bible versus what

[00:11:47] we're reading right okay yeah and that's before we even get into the Septuagint okay sure so

[00:11:54] you following me I'm following you okay now the Septuagint is sometimes here's where we go off a little

[00:11:59] bit okay the Septuagint is sometimes referred to as the Greek Old Testament which that's how I often

[00:12:07] reference it that's the Greek translation yeah as opposed to the Volgate which is the Latin

[00:12:12] translation sure okay it's the Septuagint is also referred to as the translation of the 70

[00:12:20] and the 70 has to do with the number of translators that it had and that's where the word

[00:12:27] Septuagint actually comes from oh yeah and so when they abbreviated they abbreviated as Lxx

[00:12:36] which stands that's 70 right so that's how they do okay so which is interesting because those are

[00:12:43] Roman numbers if I'm not mistaken yeah so we've got a Roman numerology abbreviation for a Greek

[00:12:52] translation of a book that was originally written in Hebrew well cultures of Greek and Roman were

[00:12:58] pretty similar right so their numbering system might have been the same numbering system whatever I

[00:13:02] don't know I'm speaking out of my ass right now but I mean I don't believe so but I could be mistaken

[00:13:08] okay if not I do know that the Romans took over and changed it right right for that matter you

[00:13:14] could say wasn't that very similar to Latin because you know they're all very intermingled sure

[00:13:23] but but be that as it may 70 translators Lxx okay those are all the same okay yeah it is the

[00:13:31] earliest Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible from the original Hebrew okay the full Greek title

[00:13:39] derives from the story recorded in the letter of eris deus to the Locrates so these are some

[00:13:47] Greek dudes okay that quote the laws of the Jews were translated into the Greek language at

[00:13:56] the request of tolami the second Philadelphia's who was the Greek Pharaoh of Egypt in 285 to 247 BCE

[00:14:08] the Greek Pharaoh I didn't know they have that's why I was like whoa the hell right there was a

[00:14:14] Greek Pharaoh of Egypt interesting yeah like I would love to study some yeah no that's that's a whole

[00:14:21] other history yeah that's Greek history you mean in that what I said no you said Egyptian oh well I

[00:14:28] mean he was the Greek Pharaoh of hold on what did I say no hold on he was he's the Greek Pharaoh

[00:14:39] of Egypt that's what I said that's why I said Greek Pharaoh of Egypt and that's why I said Egyptian

[00:14:45] history and so he was Greek but he was the Pharaoh of Egypt during those years that I mentioned during

[00:14:54] those years that you mentioned yes okay and he requested according to these two Greek dudes can I

[00:15:00] please have a translation what is it Greek to doing being Pharaoh of Egypt that's why I said I would

[00:15:06] be interested in studying some Egyptian history and you corrected me and we're like no Greece and

[00:15:12] I'm like no the guy was from Greece but he was basically the king of Egypt okay all right right

[00:15:19] yeah that's cool it's interesting yeah okay so you can see where I'm like the answer might be

[00:15:24] boring but we are studying some interesting things along the way yeah okay so I hear the whole time

[00:15:31] I like I always just assume that the Greek Septuagint was like done in Greece but no it's probably

[00:15:36] done in Egypt apparently maybe maybe right so anyway this Greek king of Egypt was like can I please

[00:15:46] have a translation according to these two guys and so 72 Hebrew translators were brought in six from

[00:15:55] each of the 12 tribes of Israel okay we're gonna get into that in a minute because I'm sorry who

[00:16:01] what and they just brought them in sure okay the translators were sent from Jerusalem to Alexandria

[00:16:09] to translate the Tanakh from the biblical Hebrew into Coen Greek which is that ancient Greek stuff

[00:16:16] okay yeah for inclusion in the Tullamy's library so he just wanted it for his library got it okay

[00:16:24] biblical scholars agree that the first five books of the Hebrew Bible which is the Torah the law

[00:16:29] yeah um the Pentateuch if you will were translated from biblical Hebrew into Coen Greeks

[00:16:37] by Jews living in this Tullamaic kingdom okay so in Egypt Jews living in Egypt got it okay probably

[00:16:48] in the earlier middle part of the third century BCE got it okay following me I'm following so far

[00:16:55] yeah okay because you keep looking confused no I'm just trying to fall I'm trying to keep tracking

[00:16:59] my head here so okay every time I say this Greek king of Egypt your face twist like

[00:17:05] oh so much yeah I know I know I'm pretty much done with him though but I gotta say it one more time

[00:17:10] Greek king of Egypt this Tullamy this Pharaoh right crazy okay the remaining books were likely

[00:17:18] translated in the second century BCE but that's a different story okay yeah some Targooms which I

[00:17:26] will tell you what that is in a minute translating or paraphrasing the Bible into Aramaic we're also

[00:17:33] made during the second temple period okay so what the fuck is a Targoom you ask me right yeah sure

[00:17:41] okay a Targoom was an originally spoken translation of the Hebrew Bible also called the Tenak

[00:17:49] that a professional translator would give in the common language of the listeners so it was basically

[00:17:56] like a guide would read the Bible and then um translated out loud telling the people that were

[00:18:03] listening like if you know if the book is in Greek or whatever and these people are um you know

[00:18:12] not Greek right whatever the language yeah yeah and so that they could hear it yeah this had become

[00:18:18] necessary near the end of the first century BCE BCE sorry I got stuck there as the common

[00:18:25] language was Aramaic and by then Hebrew was used for a little more than schooling and worship got

[00:18:32] it okay so um a lot of times these Targooms were not just translations like as this person was

[00:18:39] standing before a crowd it was also um they would become sermons got it so you know there were

[00:18:47] a lot of people listening and then probably writing shit down in their own languages too right because

[00:18:55] they would you know be hearing this stuff and we have found like so many little bits and pieces

[00:19:00] that don't all fit together okay of stuff okay sure obviously not everybody in a crowd was listening

[00:19:05] I'm just saying right okay yeah few people could speak and even fewer could read in the Hebrew language

[00:19:12] during the second temple period Greek and Aramaic were the most widely spoken languages at that time

[00:19:18] among the Jewish community the Septuagint therefore fulfilled this need okay now the accuracy of

[00:19:27] the statement by Philo of Alexandria regarding the 12 tribes of Israel that I mentioned we were

[00:19:34] going to get back to yeah is extremely dubious okay it implies that the 12 tribes were still in

[00:19:41] existence during King Talaamese reign which hello is not true yeah and it also assumes that the

[00:19:49] 10 lost tribes of the 12 tribes had not just been forcibly resettled by a Syria almost 500 years

[00:19:56] previously got it right yeah so a little bit of question there like the 12 tribes okay right sure

[00:20:04] later rabbinic tradition considered the cre the Greek translation as a distortion of sacred text

[00:20:12] an unsuitable for use in the synagogue okay they were like this is Greek and it's not right get

[00:20:20] it out of here got it okay yeah according to these names are hard okay according to Aristobulus

[00:20:30] of Alexandria yeah portions of the law which will be the first five books they were translated from

[00:20:38] Hebrew into Greek long before the well-known Septuagint version okay okay he stated that Plato and

[00:20:47] Pythagoras knew the Jewish law and borrowed from it okay okay so who knows when and what got it

[00:20:55] as usual history is a mystery right it is unclear to what extent Alexandrian Jews accepted the

[00:21:03] authority of the Septuagint manuscripts of the Septuagint have been found among the Dead Sea Scrolls

[00:21:11] and were thought to have been in use among various Jewish sets at the time got it okay interesting

[00:21:19] it is several factors led most Jews to abandon the Septuagint around the second century BC

[00:21:27] or I'm sorry the second century CE okay sorry common area yeah the earliest Gentile Christians

[00:21:34] used the Septuagint out of necessity since it was the only Greek version of the bible and most

[00:21:41] if not all of these early non-Jewish Christians could not read Hebrew got it so they only used

[00:21:47] it very begrudgingly because they couldn't fucking read anything else sure so that's interesting

[00:21:53] that early Christianity was based on something that the Jewish folks in 200 CE pretty much just

[00:22:00] abandoned yeah right that's cute right like oh Christians you're so adorable when you started

[00:22:06] giving ways or splitting ways way back then yeah yeah and they were like we're just gonna steal some

[00:22:13] of this and we're gonna steal some of that and yeah right they were always up to no good the association

[00:22:21] of the Septuagint with a rival religion may have made it suspect in the eyes of the newer generation

[00:22:27] of Jews and Jewish scholars so that might have been why they were abandoning the Septuagint yeah as

[00:22:34] the new e Christians picked it up the Jews were like they did distance themselves so they're like no

[00:22:40] this isn't the true form so yeah we're going to stick with the Hebrew things yeah Jews instead

[00:22:46] used Hebrew or Aramaic Targoo manuscripts okay see what I said they were writing some of those

[00:22:53] yeah those speeches and sermons down right later compiled by the misorites and authoritative

[00:23:01] Aramaic translations okay okay so there's all that okay sure the early Christian church used the Greek

[00:23:09] text as we said since Greek was the commonly used languages language of the eastern parts

[00:23:16] of the Roman Empire at that time okay and the language of the Greco Roman church more importantly sure

[00:23:23] even though like the Romans were there they were still speaking Greek right so while Aramaic

[00:23:30] was the language of the Syriac Christianity okay Syria Syriac yeah the relationship between

[00:23:40] I'm having a really hard time so I apologize when I stumble over my words it's not all just because

[00:23:46] I can't pronounce stuff it's also because my stutter is getting worse sometimes right now today

[00:23:51] just then okay the relationship between the apostles use of the apostles being Matthew Mark

[00:23:59] Luke John and all those other discipling guys of Jesus that we haven't got to yet sure so the

[00:24:04] relationship between those guys use of the septuogen and the Hebrew text is very complicated okay although

[00:24:13] the septuogen seems to have been a major source for the apostles it's not the only one oh yeah okay

[00:24:21] they used several different versions of bibles as they found convenient that's the word I was looking

[00:24:32] for yeah so Saint Jerome you familiar with that guy I am not okay so my first introduction to Saint

[00:24:40] Jerome was in the original movie Ghostbusters when in the very beginning and they come into the library

[00:24:46] and they're questioning the librarian and they're like is anybody in your family crazy

[00:24:52] and she says my uncle thought he was Saint Jerome definitely seconds before

[00:24:59] Bill Murray asked are you Alice menstruating which is terribly sexist no longer appropriate

[00:25:08] all right but I am from a previous time when that was still funny sure and I'm slow to grow

[00:25:14] right okay so Saint Jerome offered several examples of verses found in Hebrew texts but not

[00:25:21] in the septuogen so he was pointing out differences even back then okay the new testament writers

[00:25:29] freely use the Greek translations as we just said when citing the Jewish scriptures or quoting

[00:25:34] Jesus doing so implying that Jesus his apostles and their followers considered it somewhat reliable

[00:25:43] okay since they quoted from it yeah in the early Christian church the presumption that the

[00:25:49] septuogen was translated by Jews before the time of Christ and that it lends itself more to a

[00:25:56] Christological interpretation than second century Hebrew texts in certain places was taken as

[00:26:03] evidence that Jews had changed the Hebrew text in a way that made it less Christological interesting

[00:26:11] because the early Christians were like this is the one but the the Jewish folks were like

[00:26:17] this isn't the one because fuck them Christians pick it and then later they're like wait no the

[00:26:23] Jewish people were right that one's more correct with what we want so we're gonna make that one the one

[00:26:28] yeah exactly really weird it just goes to show that you can trust Christians just kidding just kidding

[00:26:36] that's not what that proves it just goes to show that people are fickle and they will always choose

[00:26:44] the most convenient path yeah yeah Saint Jerome broke with church tradition translating most of the

[00:26:51] old testament of his vulgate from Hebrew rather than from Greek so he is the Hebrew to create the

[00:27:00] vulgate gotcha that's who Saint Jerome was he wrote the vulgate the Latin version right okay yeah his

[00:27:05] choice was sharply criticized by Augustine Saint Augustine his contemporary right okay okay and

[00:27:12] Saint Augustine was like not impressed he was like you don't fucked up you piece of shit in

[00:27:20] Saint Jerome's like what right although Jerome argued for the superiority of the Hebrew text

[00:27:28] in correcting the septo agent on filial illogical and theological grounds because he was accused of

[00:27:35] heresy he also acknowledged the septo agent texts okay he's like well I don't want to die over it or

[00:27:43] anything right fine the septo agents is fine whatever sure but that didn't stop him from going ahead

[00:27:49] and translating it into Latin anyway right acceptance of Jerome's version increased and it displaced

[00:27:57] the septo agents old Latin translations okay modern scholarship holds that the septo agent was written

[00:28:05] from the third through the first centuries BCE because rumor wasn't like they sat down and

[00:28:11] just wrote it all at once great okay so it was over the course of a couple centuries that it was

[00:28:16] all pieced together yeah but nearly all attempts at dating specific books except for the Pentateuch

[00:28:24] which was definitely written early to mid third century BCE so except for those all the rest

[00:28:31] dating all of them are extremely tentative you know what really strikes me here is that even Jesus

[00:28:36] and his disciples know that stuff right they were relying on translations and maybe not the best

[00:28:44] translations at that right exactly and treating them as though they were you know quote unquote the gospel

[00:28:50] right yeah so I mean like there's there's even questions if if you are to believe in God there's

[00:28:56] even questions of legitimacy of translation even back during Jesus's time right like what was Jesus

[00:29:03] reading again now right oh you know various translations of the same Bible depending on whichever one

[00:29:09] made it into his library that day and fit his needs yeah that's very interesting yeah I had no idea

[00:29:17] like I'm just like what there's a Bible at the end right like I just didn't know there was like no

[00:29:21] there's really not there's really just not like the Bible I knew there was a lot of Bibles but I didn't

[00:29:27] know like what all the histories were exactly yeah and I this is a very juvenile elementary

[00:29:35] description of what happened sure okay yeah this is so cursory there's so much more than this right and

[00:29:41] I'm definitely watering this down for myself not our listeners okay so the differences between

[00:29:48] the septuogen and the other versions fall into four main categories okay first of all there's a different

[00:29:56] there were different Hebrew sources okay which you know um which source are you translating

[00:30:04] sure so there's that yeah okay the second one is there were differences in interpretation

[00:30:10] which that makes sense right still are yeah yeah okay the third one is there was differences in I'm

[00:30:16] sorry there were differences as a result of idiomatic translation issues so idioms did not translate well

[00:30:25] idioms are turns of phrase okay like if we were to say okay here's a really good example

[00:30:32] in modern day times when I was in high school learning Spanish um we were learning a phrase

[00:30:40] and when we got to the word blue jeans it was just blue jeans like there was no translation for it

[00:30:48] yeah so and that's not an idiom per se that's just a phrase but it's an example even today

[00:30:55] shit does not always translate right you know it just doesn't so like if we were going to translate the

[00:31:02] word hot dog um that does not translate into other languages it would be frankfurter or weiner

[00:31:11] or you know what I mean some other word yeah yeah and they would not necessarily grasp if we said

[00:31:17] hot dog what the fuck we're talking about yeah I really eat hot dogs back then exactly and it

[00:31:21] would not translate right so and that's that's the example I always give yeah because it's just so

[00:31:27] obvious to me right especially when you've got people that call them conies in other parts of the

[00:31:31] country I mean we call them that here sometimes yeah conie dial line and gold stars yeah and they

[00:31:36] call them conies yeah yeah what's in there's another word for hot dogs too yeah I brought um I mean

[00:31:43] they're not really hot dogs but those are sausage right yeah but still yeah no there's another word

[00:31:48] that I'm trying to think of that doesn't matter at all whatsoever and I'll think of it like at

[00:31:52] three o'clock in the morning sure so anyway so idioms didn't translate okay uh-huh and then there

[00:31:57] then there was the fourth one transmission changes in Hebrew or Greek meaning revisions um

[00:32:05] recentions which means we times that things were rescinded right right right and copying errors

[00:32:12] right so I've read about some of the copying errors when I read a book by Bart Erman when he talks

[00:32:17] a lot about copying errors yes it's very interesting actually yeah so there's a lot of that stuff

[00:32:24] happening that you know that's before we even get into the actual order of the books okay

[00:32:30] yeah that's talking about how the septuogen differs from other texts right okay so one of the main

[00:32:37] challenges based by translators during their work emanated from the need to implement appropriate

[00:32:44] Greek forms for various out of use terms used in the Hebrew Bible okay so um for example I'm

[00:32:53] trying to learn Latin and there are ways that the words are structured that do not exist in English

[00:33:03] for example um if we say two girls or two boys the number two doesn't change right

[00:33:11] two no matter what it's always just two sure okay um in uh Latin the number will actually change

[00:33:20] based on the gender of the items that you're discussing okay right and so you kind of have to

[00:33:28] know that ahead of time yeah so that that's just one example of shit don't always translate well

[00:33:35] right okay yeah and so they had to create oh another Latin example this one's even better um

[00:33:41] we're learning cities one of them is nobum ebbarakum that's new york which did not fucking exist

[00:33:49] in the time that latin came around so we had to create that why did we create it

[00:33:56] why don't we can speak latin but like why didn't why wouldn't you just say new york

[00:34:00] because um different countries say new york differently different languages refer to new york

[00:34:09] in different ways like in spanish it's newweva york something i forget so to to create a word in

[00:34:17] Latin we all agree that in Latin this is how you say it period the end so that's another thing okay

[00:34:24] yeah so i mean it makes sense i suppose well if you are trying to speak latin and you've got a

[00:34:31] Spanish speaking person trying to speak latin and you don't know that how he says new york is different

[00:34:37] from how you say new york right right y'all are saying different things right so it makes sense

[00:34:43] i promise okay yeah all right just trust me on this sure all right so modern Hebrew Bibles have

[00:34:51] 36 total books okay okay the books of and we have covered this before the books of Samuel,

[00:34:58] kings and chronicles are considered one book each not two right we later on they were

[00:35:05] put in half because they were too long yeah and here's the thing the Protestant Bible of course

[00:35:10] divides Samuel kings and chronicles into two books following the septuagents method right why did

[00:35:15] the septuagent um separate them right that's a good question sure i mean we follow that model but why

[00:35:23] why did they do that right the reason that the septuagent divided these three books into

[00:35:29] halves for a total of six instead of three yeah was for very practical reasons they could not fit

[00:35:36] all of them onto one scroll oh yeah okay the Hebrew text does not contain vowels like you know even

[00:35:44] you could see that in the word Yahweh there's no vowels in that word right right um thus it was much

[00:35:50] shorter than the Greek text so the entire book could easily be put onto one scroll in Hebrew but then

[00:35:56] when they translated it over to um the Greek right they had to cut it in half okay all the long books

[00:36:04] became two instead of one got it that makes perfect sense i didn't know that i just knew like

[00:36:09] it's probably too long so they cut it in half i didn't know it was literally physically too long right

[00:36:16] all right so the grouping of the books now here we go we're getting into the meat of it okay

[00:36:22] is according to their literary character okay so the Hebrew Bible divides the scripture into three

[00:36:29] divisions the law the prophets and the writings the Torah the nebum and the cathubulem or the tannok

[00:36:38] if we're referring to it as a whole the entire collection is the tannok got it okay some of the

[00:36:44] books of history which are the Joshua through kings bits yeah are called books of prophecy first

[00:36:51] the historical event is recorded and then the divine explanation is given so those bits are separated

[00:36:59] because they they put those bits together okay whereas you know other

[00:37:06] bibles don't because they're they're not you know what i mean not exactly but so um the we the bible that

[00:37:17] we read puts these prophecy pieces as part of the history pieces oh okay so the bible has moved

[00:37:26] the current bible that we read has moved them from the prophets where they might normally be

[00:37:33] and stuck them in the history section okay does that make sense so they would have been like you're saying

[00:37:39] that the the part that we're reading now with regard to germaya would have been in with like the king

[00:37:46] chronicles and all that kind of stuff oh yeah okay yeah maybe that's what i was not following i didn't

[00:37:53] really place what you're getting at exactly but that makes sense because that's something that we have

[00:37:57] commented on yeah like this makes why are we doing this twice three times three times now because

[00:38:04] we did that with going from kings to chronicles it's like wait we already read this this bullshit

[00:38:09] yeah and now we're reading all of these other guys and they're covering the same fucking ground again

[00:38:15] right yeah that's that's why right um it's only a modern times that the books have been placed

[00:38:21] in a consistent order modern times being like the last several centuries okay the reason has to do

[00:38:27] with the invention of printing the printing press pretty much made it solid once they yeah they're like

[00:38:33] well this is the way it is now forever yep once the old testament began to be printed the order

[00:38:38] of the books became pretty standardized got it so it's it's in ink now can never be changed

[00:38:44] can't be changed yeah right the order of the books for the old testament in the english bible is

[00:38:49] derived from the Latin vulgate okay so it's different it was the standard translation for western

[00:38:57] Christianity for a thousand years wow yeah in the old testament the Greek translation of the Hebrew

[00:39:04] Old Testament the Septoagent is usually seen as the basis of the order of the books which are found

[00:39:11] in the vulgate yet the manuscripts of the Septoagent have much variation in them okay okay so they

[00:39:19] took a mess and mixed it up and then mixed it up some more when they translated it got it so everything's

[00:39:26] a mess got it yeah sure everything's a mess that's the end of like no that's not the end of this

[00:39:32] I'm just saying at the end of it that's basically what we're gonna get to is that everything's a mess

[00:39:36] yeah all right okay the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts of the old testament usually have the same

[00:39:42] order for the first five books of Moses and for the four books of the prophets you know um

[00:39:49] the the prophets sure right okay um they go by history Joshua Judges Samuel and Kings okay which

[00:39:58] comes after the books of Moses okay yeah yet this was not always the case and this is still not

[00:40:06] always the case for example the Syriac Peshita Peshita Peshita and ancient translation of the old

[00:40:15] testament has the book of Job between the books of Moses and the book of Joshua hmm so I mean

[00:40:22] shit has always been in a different order yeah I mean that one could go in anywhere it's just a story

[00:40:26] you know but it's considered a history right okay yeah this occurred because it was believed to get

[00:40:32] this it was believed that Moses wrote the book of Job oh right okay the fuck right how could that even be

[00:40:41] yeah I don't know yeah I'm gonna put a hard no on that okay regarding the remaining books of the

[00:40:48] Hebrew scriptures the Hebrew order is different from the Greek order which we know no shit right

[00:40:54] the Hebrew order consists of the law the prophets and writings okay the law the prophets the writings

[00:41:01] okay while the Greek order has the law the history the poetry and the prophets okay and that's

[00:41:09] the way we read it English versions have followed the Greek order of the books through the Latin

[00:41:15] rather than the Hebrew order okay and that's why the books that we're reading are in a different order

[00:41:22] from the Septuagint right but it still doesn't explain why the chapter is messed up inside the chapter

[00:41:29] inside the book like you explained why the books were out of order that basically is the same thing

[00:41:36] just on a more pointed scale okay it it answers all of it it's because it was all a mess got it so

[00:41:44] basically they didn't know what the fuck they were doing everything screwed up and now it's in ink

[00:41:49] now yeah and now it's set in stone no what's really funny is that like when things were written as

[00:41:55] in stone you could still change it right it's not written in stone but could you imagine changing

[00:42:01] anything like that today it would cause so much or an uproar wouldn't you right yeah yeah I just

[00:42:08] find that like really is that the correct use of the word ironic you'd have churches splitting

[00:42:13] in part from each other you'd have a kind of shit happening yeah how dare you put Joe by Moses

[00:42:20] right what the fuck yeah yeah I mean I don't really give a shit it doesn't impact me

[00:42:25] no no and probably it doesn't really impact them either probably just you know something to fight

[00:42:29] about is like yeah somebody's gonna get upset about stuff so yeah yeah so that was that was basically

[00:42:35] the explanation then that was basically the explanation see okay what did I say the answer was

[00:42:41] a lot more boring than you think it would be but the history was really interesting right

[00:42:45] getting there yeah see excited and bored at the same time yeah yeah I could tell from your face

[00:42:51] you were bored through some of it I was I wasn't a little bit but I can't hide those things

[00:42:56] right no you cannot you start budgeting and you're like are we done yet anyway I'm sorry I was

[00:43:05] bored that's okay somebody found this interesting and it was it was me and I'm willing to bet

[00:43:11] one other was I was definitely interested in a lot of it mm-hmm just at the end there was like

[00:43:15] yeah they moved stuff around and I was like whatever I know they moved stuff around but some of

[00:43:20] it was interesting yeah all right well that was our Q&A for today it was and uh that means that

[00:43:28] we're gonna be back tomorrow I think on Sunday which is Easter happy Easter mother fuckers

[00:43:34] and I think we're planning on doing a special patreon episode on I think we're gonna maybe talk

[00:43:40] about went yeah because we don't know that our Sundays fall why we obviously Easter always fall

[00:43:45] on a Sunday but like you know we kind of we should make it relevant right I think we've talked

[00:43:50] about Easter before right but I don't think that we've covered lent right still not really familiar

[00:43:57] with when you brought up earlier fat Tuesday I never even heard of it like what the fuck is a fat

[00:44:01] Tuesday like it's Maddie grunt I'm like you're like no you're not a Maddie grunt you go Marty grunt is not

[00:44:06] anything to do with that and I was like I'm pretty sure it is I didn't know and it turns out I was

[00:44:11] right you should yeah you were right yeah yeah but I am a little bit interested in finding that a

[00:44:16] little bit more about all that only vaguely though I tell way too much history yeah when I get

[00:44:23] support you know I'll shut down so you do you do all right guys that was our Q&A we will be back

[00:44:29] tomorrow with a Patreon and then I'll get the weekly wrap up out and then we'll be back on Monday

[00:44:37] with Jeremiah chapter 36 all right we'll see you then bye thanks patreon yeah

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