Joel Chapter 3: Bible Study by Atheists

[00:00:00] Welcome to Sacrilegious Discourse. For this is what the Sovereign Lord says! Why do you need prophets to tell people who you are and what you want? If you can justify everything that the God of the Bible has done, then you can justify any of your behavior. A lot of this mentality is trickling into what is now mainstream right-wing Christianity. I am capable of empathy greater than this God of the Bible. This is a Bible that they tell kids.

[00:00:29] This is the good Lord. This is the good book. This is- He is fantasizing about murder. Mass murder. Head over to SacrilegiousDiscourse.com right now to find out how to leave us a review or support us on Patreon. Wife! Do you know where we are and how the hell we got here? Well, yesterday we just got done reading Joel Chapter 2. Sure as fuck did! And in that chapter, God was

[00:01:02] pouring out of his, uh, pouring out his spirit on people. He came all over those books. Yeah, he did! I mean, it was more of the judgment and then repentance crap where, you know, you have the ability to, you know, get back in God's favor if you just beg them. And, um, yay, you're saved if you don't, you know, worship idols and shit. Unless, of course, the locust gets you, which might be Assyrians and who knows, because it's Joel. Right.

[00:01:30] Or Jeff. We don't know. Joel, Jeff.

[00:01:33] Jeff. Gee off. Anyway, that was the gist of, uh, Joel Chapter 2. Okay. Which means that today we're getting into- Jughead Chapter 3. No, no, no. Joel Chapter 3. Which is also our, uh, we're doing what today? Um, wrapping that shit up is done. Yeah. This is the last chapter. We're done with this book of the Bible after today. Well, I mean, other than the specials, you know. Right, right. But we're done. Yeah. We're done. And, uh, if you're listening to this this morning,

[00:02:02] Um, tonight is our special live episode on Discord, which you should totally check out. You're saying Wednesday when you say this morning and- Yeah, because it releases at 6 a.m. I'm just making sure that I understand what day is coming out. Wednesday at 10 p.m. Eastern. Yes. Is our live. Is our live. On Discord. So if you're listening to this episode, the day that it comes out, you'll be listening. You can hop on tonight at 10 p.m. Eastern and catch the live episode on Discord. Okay. Got it. Yeah. Which is Wednesday. Mm-hmm.

[00:02:31] So. Okay. Um, you ready to get into this? Yes. Yes, I am. All right. Let's do it. Okie dokie.

[00:02:43] All right. We're getting into Chapter 3 of Jughead. Or Joel. Or Jeff. But Joel. And Geoff. No, Joel. All right. In those days. Yes, those days. Is it the Day of the Lord? Well, that's just one day, I guess. So it couldn't be days. Well, we have one more. We have one more Day of the Lord coming. Do we? Remember? Because there was one, and then we did three in the second chapter.

[00:03:05] And now we've got one more somewhere. Oh, okay. I think. I mean, I was trying to keep count. I might have not paid attention. Sure. That happens to me. All right. Yeah. Frequently. Got it. So in those days. Yes. And also. And also. At that time. Got it.

[00:03:23] You know, when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem. Okay. You know, when that thing happens. Wait, wait, wait. We're talking about Judah now. Mm-hmm. We didn't do that until just now. Yeah. We were talking about Israel last chapter. Mm-hmm. That's odd. That is odd. So. Mm-hmm. Sorry. I was trying to figure out time frames last time. Yeah. And this throws a whole other loop into the. Right. You know, the mix. Yeah. So I'm like, what is going on? You're like, never mind. Nothing.

[00:03:45] Yeah, I give up. Yep. Yep. Yep. So when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all nations and bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat. Okay. Great jumping Jehoshaphat. All right. All right. Okay. That's what he's going to do.

[00:04:00] There, I will put them on trial for what they did to my inheritance. Ooh. My people of Israel, because they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land. Huh. Look what they did, those fucks. I mean, I can almost see this being the Babylonian exile. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Like, I don't even know where the fuck we're talking about at this point. I don't either. But okay. Okay. Yeah. They cast lots for my people and traded boys for prostitutes.

[00:04:30] Oh. They sold girls for wine to drink. Jeez. That's not okay. They got rid of their kids. But you know what, though? I don't want to, I don't want to, like, judge too much here, but God told the Israelites at one point to take a bunch of girls as slave wives. He sure as fuck did. Yeah. So, I'm, you know, I'm just saying that kind of did some of the same things.

[00:04:54] Like, oh, it's fine when you tell them to steal women, but then when they go and do it themselves, then there's a problem. Seems like a bit of a double standard to me. Mm-hmm. Not only that, but you told them to have 500 kids each. Right.

[00:05:09] And so, maybe they didn't actually sell them for wine to drink or sell them for prostitutes or whatever. Maybe, maybe what they did was sell them for wine for the sacrifice worship thing.

[00:05:25] You know, because maybe they had, like, 10,000 kids, right? And they're like, well, I can either have my 10,000 kids and I can't give a sacrifice-y thing.

[00:05:35] He's talking about the other nations did this to his people.

[00:05:40] That's why he was complaining. That's why I was saying that he had done this also.

[00:05:45] Okay. Okay. You're right. I apologize. I thought he was saying, I thought God is like, my people suck so fucking bad.

[00:05:52] No, no. He's gathering the other nations, the other people.

[00:05:56] This is why I keep you. Well, I have a hard time paying attention while I'm reading.

[00:06:01] Right.

[00:06:02] So, I don't always get everything.

[00:06:03] Got it.

[00:06:03] Now, what have you against me, Tyre and Sidon, and all you regions of Philistia? Are you repaying me for something I have done?

[00:06:23] Question mark?

[00:06:24] Why is God asking a question of these places?

[00:06:27] Maybe what they're doing is repaying you because you took their fucking land.

[00:06:31] Right.

[00:06:31] Like, yeah. You, at one time, told your people to wipe them out. And they're like, we don't want to get wiped out.

[00:06:39] Am I misremembering this here? Is that the port place that we talked about recently?

[00:06:44] Oh, I think you're right.

[00:06:44] So, it's interesting because that wasn't brought up until we started talking about the Babylonian exile.

[00:06:51] And early, just as we started this chapter, it sounded more like the Babylonian exile.

[00:06:55] Right.

[00:06:56] So, it almost feels like these are written in three separate time frames.

[00:06:59] Like, each chapter was written completely different times.

[00:07:02] Out of order, even.

[00:07:04] Not necessarily out of order.

[00:07:05] No.

[00:07:06] Because, yeah, we talked about the first chapter could have been pre-Hosea.

[00:07:09] Okay.

[00:07:10] Second chapter could have been the Assyrians, which was after or during Hosea.

[00:07:15] Yeah.

[00:07:15] And then the Babylonian exile, obviously, is much later.

[00:07:18] Okay. I see what you're saying.

[00:07:19] Yeah.

[00:07:19] All right. So, anyway, why are you so mad, bro? If you are paying me back, I will swiftly and speedily return on your own heads what you have done.

[00:07:30] So, vengeance. He's going to enact vengeance.

[00:07:33] Yes, because ours is a fickle god and a vengeful god.

[00:07:39] Right.

[00:07:40] They say he's a loving god, but I don't get that.

[00:07:44] Right. And it really depends on who you are.

[00:07:46] And what day.

[00:07:48] Yeah.

[00:07:49] Mostly, he's just a prick.

[00:07:51] For you took my silver and gold, and I'm a god, and I care about that shit.

[00:07:56] Right. Yeah.

[00:07:57] And carried off my finest fucking treasures to your temples.

[00:08:01] I love... I'm a god.

[00:08:03] I love gold and silver and treasures.

[00:08:06] Isn't... Okay. I know I'm jumping ahead here, but I distinctly recall Christians saying something about giving away all your worldly possessions and Jesus and things like that.

[00:08:17] But do you know who wears the most jewelry and makeup?

[00:08:20] Baptist.

[00:08:22] Yep. Yep.

[00:08:24] Maybe that's just my impression.

[00:08:26] I am stereotyping hardcore right now.

[00:08:28] Right. Yeah. Sorry about that.

[00:08:30] You know, but...

[00:08:30] But that's what I...

[00:08:31] In my experience, that's who they are.

[00:08:33] Yeah. I mean, I lived in South San Antonio, Texas.

[00:08:38] Yeah.

[00:08:38] And, you know, I have family that is Baptist.

[00:08:42] Right.

[00:08:43] And in my experience, they sing the highest warbly voices in choruses in church.

[00:08:51] And they wear the most makeup.

[00:08:53] They have the tallest hair.

[00:08:55] Yeah.

[00:08:56] And, yeah, they wear the most fucking jewelry.

[00:08:59] Right.

[00:08:59] And also, they're the same bitches that are like, you have to wear your Sunday best.

[00:09:04] You got to dress up in the house of God.

[00:09:06] Now, look, I want to say this because there are different Baptist groups out there.

[00:09:11] Okay.

[00:09:12] And I don't think all of them are the same.

[00:09:14] I'm only speaking of the ones I've been around.

[00:09:16] And I'm not sure exactly which ones are the ones we're thinking of.

[00:09:19] They might be the Southern Baptist, which is the one I would probably think it is.

[00:09:22] But I don't know that 100% either.

[00:09:24] Well, that's the ones I'm acquainted with.

[00:09:27] Sure.

[00:09:27] And they don't want you coming into their church unless you are dressed in your finest.

[00:09:33] You got to look pretty.

[00:09:34] Right.

[00:09:35] Preferably white.

[00:09:36] But, you know.

[00:09:37] Right.

[00:09:37] Yeah.

[00:09:38] All right.

[00:09:39] Anyway, fuck those people.

[00:09:40] You sold the people of Judah and Jerusalem to the Greeks that you might send them far from their homeland.

[00:09:47] See, I'm going to rouse them out of the places to which you sold them.

[00:09:52] And I'll return on your own heads what you've done.

[00:09:57] Okay.

[00:09:58] Yeah.

[00:09:58] Remember how I'm vengeful?

[00:10:00] Right.

[00:10:00] I'm God.

[00:10:01] Don't fuck with me.

[00:10:02] Yeah.

[00:10:02] I will sell your sons and daughters to the people of Judah because I love punishing children.

[00:10:09] So, wait, wait, wait.

[00:10:10] He's going to do the same thing back.

[00:10:12] That's what he's literally saying.

[00:10:14] Yes, I will do unto your head what you've done to my people.

[00:10:18] So, he's going to condone slavery because they did slavery.

[00:10:21] Yeah.

[00:10:22] That's crap.

[00:10:23] You stole our kids.

[00:10:24] I'll steal your kids.

[00:10:25] What?

[00:10:26] Two evils don't make a right.

[00:10:28] Fuck those kids.

[00:10:30] That's not okay.

[00:10:31] But that's what God is saying.

[00:10:33] You stole some of our kids.

[00:10:35] I'm a God and I can get your kids.

[00:10:38] I'm going to steal your kids now.

[00:10:39] That is petty ass bullshit and that's evil.

[00:10:44] That is evil.

[00:10:45] Like, that is not even...

[00:10:46] You can't talk that away.

[00:10:49] God is saying, I'm going to turn your kids into slaves.

[00:10:53] Yeah.

[00:10:54] Fuck those kids.

[00:10:55] That's what he's saying.

[00:10:56] That's fucked up.

[00:10:56] Yeah.

[00:10:56] That's fucked up.

[00:10:57] No, I totally agree.

[00:10:58] And anybody who says it's not mine to know, well, if you are okay with that, I have a

[00:11:04] problem with you.

[00:11:05] Right.

[00:11:06] You know, if you are saying, I can't explain it.

[00:11:10] I just have to accept it.

[00:11:11] Well, that's pretty for you.

[00:11:12] I don't have to accept it.

[00:11:14] Right.

[00:11:14] Okay.

[00:11:14] How about that?

[00:11:15] All right.

[00:11:17] I will sell your...

[00:11:18] I just have to read it again.

[00:11:19] Yeah.

[00:11:20] I will sell your sons and daughters to the people of Judah and they will sell them to

[00:11:25] the Sabians, a nation far away.

[00:11:28] Wow.

[00:11:28] So they're not just...

[00:11:29] They're not only going...

[00:11:31] They're turning into slave traders.

[00:11:33] Yeah.

[00:11:34] Wow.

[00:11:35] Wow.

[00:11:35] Wow.

[00:11:36] The Lord has spoken.

[00:11:37] That's what it says.

[00:11:38] That is...

[00:11:39] That's crazy.

[00:11:40] He's like, fuck with me and I will hard fuck with you.

[00:11:43] Right.

[00:11:44] But that's like the most direct.

[00:11:46] Yeah.

[00:11:46] Like he's talked about slaves being okay before.

[00:11:49] Uh-huh.

[00:11:49] Right.

[00:11:50] But like that is a statement saying, I'm going to...

[00:11:53] They're going to be slavers.

[00:11:55] They're going to enslave people and sell them.

[00:11:57] Yeah.

[00:11:58] And I'm going to condone that.

[00:12:00] Yeah.

[00:12:00] Like that's my word.

[00:12:01] That's my...

[00:12:02] That's what I'm saying.

[00:12:03] Not just condone it.

[00:12:04] I'm going to make it happen.

[00:12:07] Right.

[00:12:07] And I'm pretty fucking enthusiastic about it because you stole my kids first.

[00:12:13] And this is the word of God.

[00:12:14] And this is the word of God.

[00:12:15] I've spoken.

[00:12:16] Right.

[00:12:17] Everybody listen.

[00:12:18] But they don't cover that one in Sunday school.

[00:12:19] I bet they don't.

[00:12:21] Right.

[00:12:21] Proclaim this among the nations.

[00:12:24] Prepare for war.

[00:12:25] Rouse the warriors.

[00:12:26] Let all the fighting men draw near and attack.

[00:12:29] Beat your plowshares into swords.

[00:12:32] There it is.

[00:12:33] Yeah.

[00:12:34] And your pruning hooks into spears.

[00:12:36] Make weapons.

[00:12:36] We going to fight.

[00:12:38] Mm-hmm.

[00:12:38] Love me a good murder.

[00:12:40] Mm-hmm.

[00:12:40] Let the weakling say, I am strong.

[00:12:43] Come quickly, all you nations from every side and assemble there.

[00:12:47] Bring down your warriors, Lord.

[00:12:49] Let the nations be roused.

[00:12:52] Let them advance into the valley of Jehoshaphat.

[00:12:55] For there I will sit to judge all the nations on every side.

[00:13:01] Swing the sickle, for the harvest is ripe.

[00:13:04] Wow.

[00:13:06] I need.

[00:13:07] That is.

[00:13:07] That is.

[00:13:08] That is a Halloween statement.

[00:13:10] Right?

[00:13:11] Can you not picture, like, Jack the Pumpkin King, like, walking around?

[00:13:15] Swing the sickle, for the harvest is ripe.

[00:13:18] It's a good line.

[00:13:19] Right?

[00:13:19] Right?

[00:13:20] I mean, it's grotesque.

[00:13:21] It should not be in the Bible.

[00:13:22] No.

[00:13:23] It has no place in the Bible.

[00:13:24] Well, to be fair, it does in the Old Testament.

[00:13:28] Yeah.

[00:13:28] But it shouldn't.

[00:13:29] Because it's, you know.

[00:13:30] Because violence and gore.

[00:13:32] Yeah.

[00:13:33] But not the book I was sold.

[00:13:36] You know?

[00:13:37] That's all I'm saying.

[00:13:39] Swing the sickle, for the harvest is ripe.

[00:13:42] I'm just having a hard time reconciling the Old Testament God with what I was, what I always knew.

[00:13:49] Yeah.

[00:13:50] Or thought I knew about Jesus.

[00:13:52] God is love.

[00:13:52] Jesus is forgiveness.

[00:13:53] Right.

[00:13:53] Kind of stuff.

[00:13:54] Yeah.

[00:13:54] It's a tough pill to swallow.

[00:13:56] Right.

[00:13:56] When you, when you, when you, even as someone who wasn't religious grew up.

[00:14:01] Yeah.

[00:14:01] With a whole different image of what religion entails.

[00:14:04] Like, that's not what I heard.

[00:14:05] Yeah.

[00:14:06] Right?

[00:14:08] Did y'all hear what so, did y'all hear what God did?

[00:14:11] There are one pages left this shit out.

[00:14:13] Yeah.

[00:14:13] Yeah.

[00:14:14] It's true.

[00:14:15] Come trample the grapes, for the wine press is full and the vats overflow.

[00:14:20] So great is their wickedness.

[00:14:24] Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision.

[00:14:27] For the day of the Lord.

[00:14:28] There it is.

[00:14:29] Number five.

[00:14:29] Okay.

[00:14:30] For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.

[00:14:33] What's a valley of decision?

[00:14:34] Yeah.

[00:14:34] I don't know.

[00:14:35] Okay.

[00:14:35] That's odd.

[00:14:36] That's a Q&A.

[00:14:37] Right.

[00:14:37] We got a Judah versus Israel thing, and now we've got a valley of decision.

[00:14:42] He was talking about Jehoshaphat, like bringing them all there.

[00:14:44] I'm assuming the valley of decision is where they're all going to be judged.

[00:14:48] I guess.

[00:14:49] I guess.

[00:14:49] Sure.

[00:14:50] So.

[00:14:51] The sun and moon will be darkened and the stars no longer shine.

[00:14:55] Okay.

[00:14:55] I guess they had an eclipse.

[00:14:57] Yeah.

[00:14:57] Something.

[00:14:57] They had to call it magic.

[00:14:59] Right.

[00:14:59] Instead of just.

[00:15:00] Lots of clouds.

[00:15:01] Astrology happened.

[00:15:02] Right.

[00:15:02] Not astrology.

[00:15:04] Astronomy.

[00:15:05] God damn it.

[00:15:07] Astronomy.

[00:15:09] Fucking.

[00:15:10] What's that word where you mix up your words?

[00:15:12] I don't.

[00:15:13] You?

[00:15:14] Yeah.

[00:15:17] It's true.

[00:15:18] You know, the one where you switch words.

[00:15:20] I don't know.

[00:15:21] You know what I'm talking about?

[00:15:22] I can't think of what it is.

[00:15:25] It's the one where you make your numbers and letters be backwards from each other and you

[00:15:30] switch them out accidentally.

[00:15:33] Are you talking about dyslexia?

[00:15:34] Yes.

[00:15:34] That's the word I was looking for.

[00:15:36] Okay.

[00:15:37] I couldn't think of the fucking word.

[00:15:38] I didn't know it made you switch out words.

[00:15:41] Sometimes.

[00:15:42] Okay.

[00:15:42] If they're the same, like, sound.

[00:15:44] Like, I have to think really hard when I have astronomy and astrology.

[00:15:49] Like, I have to think super, super hard.

[00:15:51] I know the difference between them, but just, like, saying one versus the other, I'm like,

[00:15:55] which sound word applies to this meaning?

[00:15:59] Sure.

[00:16:00] Shut up.

[00:16:01] No, I didn't say anything.

[00:16:03] Oh, my gosh.

[00:16:04] You're making fun of me.

[00:16:05] I'm not making fun of you.

[00:16:06] Your eyes are.

[00:16:08] Your eyes are making so much fun of me.

[00:16:11] You guys, if you could see him.

[00:16:13] The Lord will roar from Zion.

[00:16:16] Yeah, he should because you gave me the making fun of me eyes.

[00:16:21] He's going to roar.

[00:16:23] Yeah.

[00:16:23] And thunder from Jerusalem.

[00:16:25] Okay.

[00:16:25] The earth and the heavens will tremble, but the Lord will be a refuge for his people.

[00:16:30] That's nice.

[00:16:31] A stronghold for the people of Israel.

[00:16:33] Just not anybody else.

[00:16:34] Yeah, no.

[00:16:35] No.

[00:16:35] Everybody else gets slaves or rapes or murdered.

[00:16:39] The part that I'm struggling with here is the last chapter in Joel.

[00:16:44] He was talking about sending people who were not his people against his people to kill them if they didn't capitulate with his orders of stopping the idol worship and shit like that or whatever.

[00:16:58] Right?

[00:16:58] Yeah.

[00:16:58] Yeah.

[00:16:59] So he was going to use these people to do the evil that he's now punishing them for and enslaving their children for.

[00:17:06] Yeah.

[00:17:07] Which we've talked about before.

[00:17:08] He's done this before where he punishes the group of people that he sends to enact his judgment.

[00:17:14] Mm-hmm.

[00:17:15] And I'm like, okay, so you either have the power to send these people or you don't.

[00:17:21] Right.

[00:17:21] Right?

[00:17:22] Mm-hmm.

[00:17:22] And if you do have the power to send them, then I don't think you have the right or at least the morality behind punishing them becomes a little skewed at that point.

[00:17:35] It does.

[00:17:36] Yeah.

[00:17:36] Because if you sent them and then you punish them for going, that's pretty fucked up.

[00:17:42] That is pretty fucked up.

[00:17:43] Right.

[00:17:44] Now, if they went and you just condoned it, then that's still a little questionable, I think.

[00:17:52] Yeah.

[00:17:52] But okay.

[00:17:53] Yeah.

[00:17:54] I don't know.

[00:17:56] These things just don't make a whole lot of sense.

[00:17:58] No, they do not.

[00:18:00] I understand what they're saying, but they don't actually line up and make sense to me because it doesn't work.

[00:18:07] And I don't understand why people defend this shit.

[00:18:11] Like, how can you, if you've actually read this, how do you defend this?

[00:18:15] I don't get it.

[00:18:16] I don't either.

[00:18:17] They defend it by saying, well, it's not ours to understand and be okay with it.

[00:18:22] I get it.

[00:18:23] But like.

[00:18:23] But how?

[00:18:24] How are you okay with it though?

[00:18:25] How many times can you say that through this book?

[00:18:27] Like, we question.

[00:18:29] There's something in every chapter where we're like, that's fucked up.

[00:18:32] Or that's wrong.

[00:18:33] Or that's.

[00:18:33] Like, he did something back ass word there.

[00:18:36] Yeah.

[00:18:37] You know, like.

[00:18:38] What?

[00:18:38] At what point do you just be like, okay, enough of the, you know, we don't know what he wants.

[00:18:43] Or.

[00:18:43] Like, if I'm not supposed to understand a single goddamn thing, then why am I wasting my time reading this shit?

[00:18:48] Right.

[00:18:48] Yeah.

[00:18:49] Like, what was the purpose?

[00:18:51] At some point you just have to say, yeah, it's.

[00:18:53] You can't understand it.

[00:18:54] Therefore, it's not real.

[00:18:55] Yeah.

[00:18:55] It's not, it's not meant to be understood because it was written shittily with regard to how this all should have happened if it was an actual God.

[00:19:03] It wasn't meant for posterity.

[00:19:05] Well.

[00:19:06] I mean, okay.

[00:19:08] It wasn't meant for posterity the way it has become.

[00:19:11] It was meant for posterity of a particular tribe of people recording their own history.

[00:19:19] Right.

[00:19:19] You know what I mean?

[00:19:20] Yeah.

[00:19:20] It was not meant to be what it is today.

[00:19:24] Sure.

[00:19:25] And that makes it just all the more gross.

[00:19:29] Well, and it was never meant to be accessible to general, you know, the general public.

[00:19:33] That's what I mean.

[00:19:34] So.

[00:19:35] Yeah.

[00:19:36] Then you will know that I, the Lord your God, dwell in Zion, my holy hill.

[00:19:42] Okay.

[00:19:43] What a holy hill.

[00:19:44] All kinds of holes in that there hill.

[00:19:47] Sure.

[00:19:48] Jerusalem will be holy.

[00:19:49] Never again will foreigners invade her.

[00:19:52] Right.

[00:19:53] Yeah.

[00:19:53] Okay.

[00:19:53] That'll never happen again.

[00:19:54] I mean, it literally just happened recently.

[00:19:58] Oops.

[00:19:58] Yeah.

[00:19:59] In that day, the mountains will drip new wine and the hills will flow with milk.

[00:20:07] All the ravines of Judah will run with water.

[00:20:11] A fountain will flow out of the Lord's house and will water the valley of Acacia.

[00:20:18] Okay.

[00:20:19] But Egypt will be desolate.

[00:20:21] Shedded Edom, a desert waste because of violence done to the people of Judah, in whose land they shed innocent blood.

[00:20:30] Innocent blood.

[00:20:31] Get the fuck out of here.

[00:20:32] Fuck you.

[00:20:33] Judah will be inhabited forever.

[00:20:36] Judah will be inhabited forever.

[00:20:36] And Jerusalem through all generations.

[00:20:39] Whee!

[00:20:40] Shall I leave their innocent blood unavenged?

[00:20:42] No, I will not.

[00:20:44] The Lord dwells in Zion!

[00:20:45] Exclamation point.

[00:20:46] The end.

[00:20:47] Okay.

[00:20:48] Yeah.

[00:20:49] There he be.

[00:20:50] Right, right, right, right.

[00:20:51] Okay.

[00:20:53] Yeah.

[00:20:53] I don't know what to say.

[00:20:55] This book felt very piecemeal and just kind of slapped together.

[00:21:01] And I don't agree with a lot of the sentiment in this book because it doesn't actually line up with any line of thinking throughout the whole thing.

[00:21:10] We went from locusts to probably Assyrians to possibly Babylonia to, I don't know.

[00:21:19] I don't even know.

[00:21:20] Like, there's no thread here.

[00:21:22] No, that's the problem.

[00:21:23] There's no thread.

[00:21:24] Right.

[00:21:24] Like, it's just a bunch of different papers that got, they weren't stapled together.

[00:21:29] They were stuck together by coffee.

[00:21:32] Like, somebody spilled coffee on their desk.

[00:21:34] And then they were, like, trying to, you know, clean up the mess.

[00:21:38] And then they picked up all these various papers and these three got stuck together.

[00:21:42] And you would expect in a book that is from a god, right?

[00:21:45] Like, most books, if you're reading them, they're going to have new different ideas that you can work through and you can, you know, kind of, they're trying to teach you something.

[00:21:55] Or they're trying to move an idea.

[00:21:57] Right.

[00:21:57] But we keep rehashing the same shit all the time.

[00:22:00] Yeah.

[00:22:01] It's nothing new.

[00:22:02] He's so boring.

[00:22:04] Like, God is so boring.

[00:22:07] Like, the fact that I'm able to say, ugh, murdering people again, boring.

[00:22:14] Like, that's gross.

[00:22:16] Yeah.

[00:22:16] I'm at the point where stealing people, murdering people, killing kids, whatever.

[00:22:22] Like, boring.

[00:22:23] It's almost like, yeah.

[00:22:23] You've done that too many times now.

[00:22:25] Right, right.

[00:22:25] No, it used to upset us a little bit.

[00:22:28] A lot.

[00:22:28] And look, it's still.

[00:22:29] It is upsetting.

[00:22:30] It still is upsetting.

[00:22:31] But, like, you can only say these things so many times before it's like, and there it is again.

[00:22:36] It reminds me of the comedy news shows like Colbert and, you know, John Oliver and all of them guys.

[00:22:48] Right.

[00:22:48] Trying to think of a new way to describe a school shooting or a mass shooting.

[00:22:55] Yeah.

[00:22:56] Like, how many different ways and at what point and how many times and.

[00:23:03] And how do you keep showing, you know, a level of disgust for what has happened with regard to what laws need to be changed and everything else, right?

[00:23:13] How do you keep showing that at the same level?

[00:23:17] Right.

[00:23:17] Because it's hard.

[00:23:18] It's hard to witness the same thing happening again and again and again and get yourself as amped up as you were the first time.

[00:23:26] Well, and there's also empathy burnout is a thing.

[00:23:29] Yeah.

[00:23:29] Like, from what I read, a lot of people in the medical field had this happen to them during the beginning stages of the pandemic.

[00:23:40] Sure.

[00:23:40] When they were just dealing with, like, so much death.

[00:23:43] Yeah.

[00:23:44] That they just had empathy burnout.

[00:23:47] Right.

[00:23:47] Like, you can only care and care and care and be upset on somebody else's behalf and have so much compassion and be hurt and want things to be better and ache for all the needless bloodshed and loss and the tragedy and the hurt.

[00:24:06] You can only feel all of that so much.

[00:24:09] Right.

[00:24:10] Before you start to become numb to it.

[00:24:12] And nobody wants to be that way.

[00:24:14] Nobody wants to feel numb.

[00:24:16] Like, I don't want to be like, ugh, there goes God killing kids again.

[00:24:20] Right.

[00:24:21] And I try to make light of it, be like, yeah, love me some murder.

[00:24:26] But.

[00:24:27] Right.

[00:24:28] That's dark humor because I don't really know what else to say at this point.

[00:24:33] Well, I think that honestly a lot of people probably that do or have read the Bible that are still religious, they gloss over this stuff because they're like, well, God punishes those who, you know, they write it off.

[00:24:44] Right.

[00:24:45] Yeah.

[00:24:45] God punishes those who disobey or are not worshiping him correctly.

[00:24:50] And that's his MO.

[00:24:51] Right.

[00:24:52] So they read murder, death, you know, annihilation as they didn't worship correctly.

[00:24:57] And they move on to the next section.

[00:24:59] This whole large swath of people in general were bad.

[00:25:02] They don't question the inconsistencies.

[00:25:05] They don't question the, you know, the back and forth with regard to how he judges people in different groups in different times in different places.

[00:25:14] Well, that and you're saying that you're perfectly OK with the kids who had no choice.

[00:25:21] Right.

[00:25:21] In this being.

[00:25:23] But they were part of that community, so they get it, too.

[00:25:26] And what about the women who had no choice?

[00:25:29] What about the slaves who had no choice?

[00:25:32] What about the animals who keep getting slaughtered because they're like, fuck your animals, too?

[00:25:38] Right.

[00:25:38] Like, what?

[00:25:39] Jesus.

[00:25:41] Yeah.

[00:25:41] No, it's all bad.

[00:25:42] It's all bad.

[00:25:43] The book is so bad.

[00:25:45] I hate it so much.

[00:25:46] I hate the Bible.

[00:25:47] There, I said it.

[00:25:48] I think that was pretty clear.

[00:25:50] Well, I don't think I ever said it straight, though.

[00:25:53] Oh, OK.

[00:25:54] I hate the Bible.

[00:25:55] Got it.

[00:25:56] Yeah, I mean, I also hate the Bible.

[00:25:57] I didn't want to hate the Bible, and I didn't go into this thinking that that would be a conclusion that I would reach before we even got out of the Old Testament.

[00:26:07] But I fucking hate the Bible.

[00:26:10] It's so horrible.

[00:26:12] It is.

[00:26:12] It's the worst of mankind.

[00:26:14] And, like, we're living through the worst of mankind.

[00:26:18] I hate that we have to read the worst of mankind while we are literally living through the worst of mankind.

[00:26:26] You know?

[00:26:26] Right.

[00:26:27] Stop.

[00:26:28] Get your shit straight, God.

[00:26:30] Get your shit straight, Republicans and Christians and people of the world.

[00:26:35] Like, gosh, stop.

[00:26:37] Right.

[00:26:38] Oh, sorry.

[00:26:39] I'm feeling a little bit bereft at the moment.

[00:26:43] Got it.

[00:26:43] Yeah.

[00:26:44] Everything sucks and it's awful.

[00:26:46] Have a good night.

[00:26:47] Bye, everybody.

[00:26:49] Oh, join us at the Discord tonight.

[00:26:51] Yes.

[00:26:52] The link will be in the show notes, guys.

[00:26:53] All right.

[00:26:54] Bye.

[00:26:55] Bye.

[00:26:55] Bye.

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