Joel Contradictions: Bible Study by Atheists

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[00:00:48] Ben! Wife!

[00:00:49] Do you know what we're doing today?

[00:00:51] It's my favorite episode where I'm always right.

[00:00:54] You're always wrong, motherfucker!

[00:00:57] Damn it.

[00:00:57] All right.

[00:00:58] Well, so it's our contradictions episode.

[00:01:01] Mm-hmm.

[00:01:01] And pop quiz!

[00:01:02] Yeah, yeah.

[00:01:03] And it's our official last episode for Joel.

[00:01:06] Another book done.

[00:01:08] Yeah, another, yeah.

[00:01:09] And we'll be starting the 30th book of the Bible after this.

[00:01:14] Mm-hmm.

[00:01:14] Very exciting.

[00:01:14] Yeah.

[00:01:15] So do you have some good contradictions for us?

[00:01:18] No, not really good.

[00:01:19] No.

[00:01:20] No.

[00:01:20] No.

[00:01:21] Wife always the salesperson on our podcast.

[00:01:24] They're not good at all.

[00:01:27] All right.

[00:01:28] And I think we have something else that we're doing.

[00:01:29] We're doing a pop quiz, right?

[00:01:31] I said that.

[00:01:32] Oh, I'm sorry.

[00:01:33] I wasn't listening, apparently.

[00:01:35] So...

[00:01:35] That's okay.

[00:01:36] You never listen to me.

[00:01:40] So, are you ready to do this?

[00:01:41] Uh-huh.

[00:01:41] Let's do it.

[00:01:42] Okie dokie.

[00:01:50] Okay, we are here doing our contradictions.

[00:01:54] Yes.

[00:01:55] Because you're always wrong, husband.

[00:01:58] And you know it, too.

[00:02:00] That's why you're laughing.

[00:02:00] I mean, you know.

[00:02:01] Yeah.

[00:02:02] All right.

[00:02:02] Here's the thing.

[00:02:03] The reason that I said that we don't have a lot of good ones...

[00:02:06] Yeah.

[00:02:06] ...is because there were only three chapters in this book.

[00:02:10] That's true.

[00:02:10] That's true.

[00:02:11] And not a lot was said or done.

[00:02:14] And not of substance, anyway.

[00:02:16] Right.

[00:02:17] Yeah.

[00:02:17] So, we only have...

[00:02:19] There were only five, and of those, only one is even kind of a good question.

[00:02:26] I see.

[00:02:26] I see.

[00:02:27] So, let me give you an example.

[00:02:29] Yeah, yeah.

[00:02:29] Like, we've done the, is God merciful question, like, just so many times.

[00:02:33] Right, right.

[00:02:34] And the answer is yes and no.

[00:02:36] Right.

[00:02:36] And we've covered it a million times.

[00:02:38] Right, yeah.

[00:02:39] Another one, does God repent?

[00:02:41] Yes and no.

[00:02:42] Right, yeah.

[00:02:42] Yeah.

[00:02:43] It just depends on which cherry pick you're doing.

[00:02:45] It gets all covered in the same contradictions.

[00:02:47] Right.

[00:02:48] Because it's the same thing all through the OT.

[00:02:49] It is, it is.

[00:02:50] It is.

[00:02:50] And the, is God good or bad?

[00:02:53] You know what I mean?

[00:02:54] Like, those kind of questions, now that we've done this so many times, is like, oh, Christians

[00:02:59] say yes, atheists say no.

[00:03:00] So, I mean, I mean, what would you do?

[00:03:02] I mean, you're kind of listing them off right now.

[00:03:04] Yeah.

[00:03:04] But I mean, the truth is that for all those things that you're going to list off, the

[00:03:08] answer is, and always has been throughout all the books of the Bible, God is both.

[00:03:13] Yes.

[00:03:13] According to the Bible.

[00:03:14] Yes.

[00:03:15] God, there are contradictions on both sides.

[00:03:17] So, you know, I see it as, if we've covered it a million times, we should still say it,

[00:03:23] but not like, cover it.

[00:03:25] Right?

[00:03:25] And that's what I, that's why I'm specifically saying it.

[00:03:29] Yeah.

[00:03:29] But I'm like, you know the answer.

[00:03:31] I mean, we just did a contradictions episode for, what was the last book of the Bible?

[00:03:36] It was Hosea.

[00:03:37] Yeah.

[00:03:37] And I think all those contradictions were in that contradictions episode as well.

[00:03:42] So.

[00:03:43] Exactly.

[00:03:43] You know, it's one thing if we do a really long book, right?

[00:03:46] Mm-hmm.

[00:03:47] And then get to the end of that one, maybe we can rehash some of the stuff because it's

[00:03:50] been a while.

[00:03:50] Right.

[00:03:51] But three chapters does not, like, we just talked about this shit.

[00:03:55] It doesn't, yeah, it doesn't warrant me repeating the same thing from last time.

[00:03:59] I agree.

[00:03:59] I agree.

[00:03:59] Okay, so, but there's the, where does God dwell?

[00:04:03] Right.

[00:04:03] And we've done that one before, but not ad nauseum.

[00:04:07] Sure.

[00:04:07] So, where does God dwell?

[00:04:09] And do you want your multiple choices?

[00:04:11] Go ahead.

[00:04:11] Yeah, go ahead.

[00:04:13] In Zion or in the heavens?

[00:04:16] Okay.

[00:04:17] I mean, according to Joel, I think it was in Zion.

[00:04:20] So.

[00:04:21] Right, right, right.

[00:04:21] Yeah.

[00:04:22] And several verses in Psalms.

[00:04:25] Yeah.

[00:04:26] He lives in Zion.

[00:04:28] Sure.

[00:04:28] Okay.

[00:04:29] But guess what?

[00:04:29] I'm right.

[00:04:31] You're always wrong.

[00:04:33] I'm always wrong.

[00:04:34] Because according to another verse of Psalms.

[00:04:37] Yeah.

[00:04:38] You can know, because Psalms versus Psalms.

[00:04:40] Yeah, yeah.

[00:04:40] God dwells in the heavens.

[00:04:42] I love it when the same book contradicts itself.

[00:04:44] That's the funnest.

[00:04:45] Those are the best.

[00:04:46] I love those.

[00:04:47] Yeah.

[00:04:47] Yeah, that's fun.

[00:04:48] There's another one in Ecclesiastes, but we haven't read that yet.

[00:04:53] Sure.

[00:04:53] I'm just, you know, throwing it out there because there's no, I'm buying time.

[00:04:57] Right.

[00:04:57] Okay.

[00:04:58] Got it.

[00:04:58] So, okay.

[00:04:59] So, another question was, will those who call on the Lord be delivered?

[00:05:06] Multiple choice, yes or no?

[00:05:08] Uh, yes.

[00:05:10] Not according to Joel.

[00:05:11] Really?

[00:05:12] Did you want to go with no?

[00:05:13] I'm just going to go with yes.

[00:05:14] I mean, yes or no?

[00:05:15] I'm going to go with yes.

[00:05:16] Okay.

[00:05:16] I actually said that backwards.

[00:05:18] Yes, that is correct.

[00:05:19] Joel says, yes.

[00:05:20] Yes.

[00:05:21] That's what I thought.

[00:05:22] Yeah, yeah.

[00:05:22] Sorry.

[00:05:23] Yeah.

[00:05:24] I wasn't going to argue because, you know, I'm always wrong.

[00:05:26] And I'm an idiot.

[00:05:29] Chapter two, verse 32 says, whoever, whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall

[00:05:35] be delivered.

[00:05:36] Okay.

[00:05:37] And yeah, that is, that is true.

[00:05:39] But guess what?

[00:05:40] I'm, I'm wrong.

[00:05:41] You're always wrong.

[00:05:43] Yeah.

[00:05:44] All right.

[00:05:44] Of course not.

[00:05:45] Of course, those who call on the Lord won't be delivered.

[00:05:47] But that's because he's like, you suck.

[00:05:50] And I fucking hate you burning hell bitches.

[00:05:53] You know what I mean?

[00:05:54] Like when he says it in Jeremiah and Ezekiel and yeah, you know, I'm going to be slightly

[00:06:00] fair here because I feel like the times where he's not going to deliver them is when they

[00:06:04] don't really believe in their heart.

[00:06:06] Right.

[00:06:06] That's what I'm saying.

[00:06:07] So if we're, if we're going for fairness factor here.

[00:06:10] Right.

[00:06:11] I think that it goes both ways.

[00:06:14] Yes.

[00:06:15] But they do generally.

[00:06:17] It's situational.

[00:06:18] It's situational.

[00:06:19] Right.

[00:06:19] Yeah.

[00:06:19] They caveat that it has to be meant.

[00:06:21] You have to mean it.

[00:06:22] Right.

[00:06:23] Exactly.

[00:06:24] Well, that actually kind of gets into the only other one, which is, should we rend our

[00:06:29] clothes?

[00:06:31] And I didn't choose that as an actual question because it's situational.

[00:06:36] Sure.

[00:06:36] He's saying, he's not saying yes, rend your clothes.

[00:06:39] No, don't rend your clothes.

[00:06:41] He's saying, yeah, when you mourn, rend your clothes.

[00:06:44] But you gotta mean it.

[00:06:45] No, not if you're being a fake ass.

[00:06:47] Right.

[00:06:48] So is that really a contradiction?

[00:06:50] I don't think so.

[00:06:52] No, I'm going to go with it's not really a contradiction.

[00:06:56] Right.

[00:06:56] Because generally they lay it out pretty well.

[00:06:58] I want the you're always wrong episodes to always have like concrete contradictions.

[00:07:05] Right.

[00:07:05] We're atheists.

[00:07:06] Obviously we want it to be wrong.

[00:07:07] So like, it's really exciting to be able to be like, haha, this book sucks.

[00:07:12] And here's why.

[00:07:13] No, but we also want to be fair.

[00:07:14] Right.

[00:07:14] And that's why I'm like, we don't really have some good questions this time.

[00:07:18] No, no.

[00:07:19] So they were either like the same stupid ones that we've always read at the end of every

[00:07:24] book.

[00:07:25] Sure.

[00:07:25] Or they were situational.

[00:07:28] And it's like, come on, person that put this list together.

[00:07:30] That's doesn't count as a contradiction.

[00:07:32] I'm going to say this.

[00:07:33] I can authoritatively say that up until this point in the Bible and through Joel, God is

[00:07:42] a dick.

[00:07:42] Yeah.

[00:07:43] And that is, that is right.

[00:07:45] I am right on that account.

[00:07:47] You know what?

[00:07:47] You are right.

[00:07:48] Husband is indeed a deck and there's just no getting around that.

[00:07:54] Right.

[00:07:55] Yeah.

[00:07:55] I just, I feel like we hadn't called God a dick in a while.

[00:07:58] No, we haven't.

[00:07:59] You're right.

[00:08:00] It felt, it felt necessary to bring it up again.

[00:08:03] Yeah.

[00:08:04] Especially during this time of not having a lot of good questions.

[00:08:08] Right.

[00:08:08] God's a dick.

[00:08:09] And specifically in Joel, like he was, he was killing a lot of people.

[00:08:13] He was.

[00:08:14] And he was not very nice.

[00:08:16] No.

[00:08:16] Until the last chapter.

[00:08:18] But then he was like, and I might save some of you.

[00:08:21] When?

[00:08:22] Who knows?

[00:08:22] Sure.

[00:08:23] Ask all the apologists.

[00:08:24] They all have 10 different answers.

[00:08:26] Right.

[00:08:27] Are you ready for a pop quiz husband?

[00:08:29] I, yeah, let's do it.

[00:08:30] I mean, it's only three chapters and I got a 60%.

[00:08:34] Yikes.

[00:08:34] Right?

[00:08:35] I hope I do better.

[00:08:36] I hope you do better as well.

[00:08:37] I don't have a lot of confidence in that, but last time I beat you.

[00:08:40] You did.

[00:08:40] So.

[00:08:41] And you retain information better than I do.

[00:08:44] Sometimes.

[00:08:44] A lot of times.

[00:08:45] Yeah.

[00:08:46] The only information I retain is that which I, for some reason, find super interesting

[00:08:52] and it just sticks and it sticks hard.

[00:08:55] And then I'm like, no, absolutely.

[00:08:56] I'm right.

[00:08:57] And this is what I was wearing that day.

[00:08:58] Right.

[00:08:59] And this is what you ate.

[00:09:02] And like.

[00:09:03] It's funny.

[00:09:04] We're in, I, you might, you might even admit this.

[00:09:06] I don't think we really talked about this before, but I feel like in the past you thought

[00:09:10] you were always right about everything.

[00:09:11] Yeah.

[00:09:12] And I feel like through the course of doing this podcast, you might've learned that you're

[00:09:15] not always right.

[00:09:18] Wife might also sometimes be wrong.

[00:09:19] I would say in the course of being married to you.

[00:09:24] Oh.

[00:09:24] Yeah.

[00:09:25] Okay.

[00:09:25] Because you, we've taught each other that each other is not always right.

[00:09:30] Sure.

[00:09:30] Sure.

[00:09:31] Um, cause we both have a very heavy sense of, come on, the people around me are stupid.

[00:09:37] Of course I know best.

[00:09:38] And generally that's true, but then we met our match in each other and right.

[00:09:43] And we're like, well, I'm still almost always right.

[00:09:47] But sometimes I'm wrong, but just don't tell anybody.

[00:09:50] Okay.

[00:09:51] Partner.

[00:09:51] Right.

[00:09:52] Right.

[00:09:52] And we're like, I promise.

[00:09:53] Yeah.

[00:09:53] Except for that.

[00:09:54] Now we're doing it live on our podcast.

[00:09:55] Right.

[00:09:56] But that was, that was our vows at our wedding.

[00:09:58] I promise never to tell anybody how fucking stupid you are.

[00:10:01] Was that it?

[00:10:02] Was it?

[00:10:02] Yeah.

[00:10:03] Yeah.

[00:10:03] All right.

[00:10:04] You don't remember?

[00:10:05] No, I don't actually.

[00:10:06] That's because it didn't really happen.

[00:10:08] Okay.

[00:10:08] I can also lie with a straight face.

[00:10:11] It's another one of my skills.

[00:10:13] All right.

[00:10:14] Ready?

[00:10:14] I'm ready.

[00:10:15] There's only 11 questions.

[00:10:16] Okay.

[00:10:22] The day of the Lord, according to the book of Joel, multiple choice.

[00:10:25] Okay.

[00:10:26] I'm ready.

[00:10:26] I'm ready.

[00:10:27] Okay.

[00:10:27] Darkness, blood, fire, or snow.

[00:10:30] And for the ones playing at home, I'm going to reread it to give them a chance.

[00:10:34] Okay.

[00:10:34] What shall the moon be turned to before the great and awesome day of the Lord, according

[00:10:41] to the book of Joel, darkness, blood, fire, or snow?

[00:10:46] I take issue with the fact that he's great and awesome.

[00:10:48] Because that's Oz, the great and terrible Oz.

[00:10:53] He's great and awesome.

[00:10:55] But I'm going to go with darkness.

[00:10:58] Okay.

[00:10:58] I don't think that's right.

[00:11:00] Oh.

[00:11:00] I had picked blood and blood wasn't right.

[00:11:02] Okay.

[00:11:03] So I don't know.

[00:11:03] All right.

[00:11:04] Yeah.

[00:11:04] All right.

[00:11:04] Number two, who was Joel?

[00:11:07] And then I'll give you the multiple choice.

[00:11:09] Jeff, Brian, Zach.

[00:11:10] Right?

[00:11:10] Yeah.

[00:11:11] Geoff, Billy.

[00:11:13] Okay.

[00:11:14] He's either the son of Amoz, the son of Joash, the son of Pethuel, the son of Hilkiah.

[00:11:22] Okay.

[00:11:22] And I'll ask it again for our friends listening at home.

[00:11:25] Yeah.

[00:11:25] Who was Joel?

[00:11:28] The son of Amoz, the son of Joash, the son of Pethuel, the son of Hilkiah.

[00:11:36] First of all, I think it's odd that we define who we are by our father in the Bible.

[00:11:41] Yeah.

[00:11:41] You're not your own person.

[00:11:42] Right.

[00:11:43] Right.

[00:11:43] But I think if I'm recalling correctly, that it was Pethuel.

[00:11:47] That is correct.

[00:11:48] And I got that one correct as well.

[00:11:50] Okay.

[00:11:50] All right.

[00:11:50] Yeah.

[00:11:51] According to Joel, what should the weak say?

[00:11:55] That's the truth about me.

[00:11:58] I am a warrior.

[00:11:59] The Lord will fight for me or let the Lord be praised.

[00:12:04] And I'll repeat the question.

[00:12:05] According to Joel, what should the weak say?

[00:12:10] That's the truth about me.

[00:12:12] I am a warrior.

[00:12:13] The Lord will fight for me or let the Lord be praised.

[00:12:19] I don't know the answer to this one, but I'm going to have to go with the weak or the Lord

[00:12:25] will fight for me.

[00:12:26] Okay.

[00:12:27] But again, I don't remember.

[00:12:29] I don't know the answer to that one.

[00:12:30] Yeah.

[00:12:30] I don't remember.

[00:12:31] All right.

[00:12:31] Number four.

[00:12:32] According to Joel, how did the Lord react from Zion?

[00:12:37] Did he react with thunders, whispers, roars, or lights?

[00:12:43] I'll read it again.

[00:12:44] Okay.

[00:12:45] According to Joel, how did the Lord react from Zion?

[00:12:51] Thunders, whispers, roars, or lights?

[00:12:56] I'm going to go with thunders because I think I remember that being the case.

[00:13:01] But again, I'm not sure.

[00:13:02] It's either that or roars, but I'm going to say thunders.

[00:13:03] See, I missed so many that I literally can't remember which ones, except for the Pethuel was

[00:13:09] his father.

[00:13:10] I knew that one.

[00:13:13] In the book of Joel, this number five.

[00:13:15] All right.

[00:13:15] Where did the Lord say he will sit to judge the surrounding nations?

[00:13:21] The Valley of Shittim, the Valley of Jehoshaphat, Riverside, or on the throne of the King of Israel?

[00:13:30] And I'll read it again.

[00:13:31] Okay.

[00:13:31] Yeah, I saw your face.

[00:13:32] You're like, the fuck?

[00:13:34] Right.

[00:13:34] In the book of Joel, where did the Lord say he will sit to judge the surrounding nations?

[00:13:42] The Valley of Shittim, the Valley of Jehoshaphat, Riverside, or on the throne of the King of

[00:13:49] Israel?

[00:13:50] I think, I mean, they were talking about bringing all the people that he had sent out to kill

[00:13:56] the Israelites to the Valley of Jehoshaphat and he was going to judge them there.

[00:14:00] So I'm going to go with Jehoshaphat.

[00:14:02] That's what I picked.

[00:14:03] And I think that one was wrong, but I could be wrong about that being wrong.

[00:14:07] Sure, sure.

[00:14:07] I mean, the wording about the throne of the King of Israel was weird because they did have

[00:14:15] kings.

[00:14:17] So that one's a weird phrasing and I question it, but okay.

[00:14:23] Right.

[00:14:23] That's the only other one that I could think maybe it might be.

[00:14:26] Yeah, I don't know.

[00:14:27] But whatever.

[00:14:28] We'll find out.

[00:14:29] Okay, number six.

[00:14:31] What has eaten what the cutting locust has left?

[00:14:35] Remember, there's different kinds of locust.

[00:14:37] Yeah, I remember.

[00:14:37] Was it a pig?

[00:14:39] Was it swarming locust?

[00:14:41] Was it frog?

[00:14:42] Or was it all of the above?

[00:14:45] Well, this one's pretty easy, I think.

[00:14:48] I'm going to go with swarming locust.

[00:14:50] That is correct.

[00:14:51] Okay.

[00:14:52] Yes.

[00:14:52] Because they only talked about, I mean, I don't remember anything about pigs or frogs.

[00:14:55] There were no other animals.

[00:14:56] Yeah.

[00:14:56] Yeah.

[00:14:58] According to, oh, this is number seven.

[00:15:00] Yeah.

[00:15:00] According to Joel chapter two, who shall dream dreams?

[00:15:04] I don't remember that at all.

[00:15:06] I remember because I was, I think I said something about dream a little dream for me or something

[00:15:10] like that.

[00:15:11] Did you?

[00:15:11] I think so.

[00:15:12] It was, yeah.

[00:15:13] I don't remember that.

[00:15:14] At the very least I said it just now.

[00:15:16] Oh, okay.

[00:15:17] Okay.

[00:15:17] Yeah.

[00:15:18] That's the important thing.

[00:15:19] Right.

[00:15:19] So your choices are kings, judges, priests, or none of the above.

[00:15:24] Let me read it again.

[00:15:25] Okay.

[00:15:26] According to Joel chapter two, who shall dream dreams?

[00:15:32] Kings, judges, priests, or none of the above?

[00:15:36] I am going to go with priests.

[00:15:39] I don't remember.

[00:15:41] But again, I'm a little, I'm a little iffy on that one.

[00:15:44] So I think I picked none of the above, but I think I got it wrong.

[00:15:47] Okay.

[00:15:47] So you might be right.

[00:15:49] Sure.

[00:15:49] Yeah.

[00:15:49] Okay.

[00:15:50] Number eight.

[00:15:51] Why were they asked to put in the sickle in the book of Joel?

[00:15:56] Was it because the enemy will soon invade?

[00:16:00] Famine is coming.

[00:16:02] The harvest is ripe or the pests are destroying the fruits.

[00:16:07] I'll ask it again.

[00:16:08] Yeah.

[00:16:09] Why were they asked to put in the sickle in the book of Joel?

[00:16:13] The enemy will soon invade.

[00:16:16] Famine is coming.

[00:16:18] The harvest is ripe or the pests are destroying the fruits.

[00:16:22] I'm going to go with the enemy will soon.

[00:16:26] The enemy's coming.

[00:16:27] I think that's wrong.

[00:16:29] Okay.

[00:16:29] I think it's because the harvest is ripe is the right answer.

[00:16:31] But I, but I got that one wrong because I guessed the wrong thing, but I don't remember

[00:16:36] what I guessed because I didn't know the answer for sure.

[00:16:40] Got it.

[00:16:40] Yeah.

[00:16:40] Okay.

[00:16:41] Number nine.

[00:16:42] What did the Lord call the swarming locust, hopper, destroyer, and the cutter in the second

[00:16:49] chapter of the book of Joel?

[00:16:51] Did he call it his great destroyer, his bad pests, his great army, or his beloved creation?

[00:17:00] Now, rate it again.

[00:17:01] Sure.

[00:17:02] These are hard, right?

[00:17:02] They are, yeah.

[00:17:03] Like there's only three fucking chapters.

[00:17:05] Well, and sometimes I wonder if it's because of the translation we're reading that we don't

[00:17:08] always know the answers to.

[00:17:09] Yeah.

[00:17:09] I wonder about that also.

[00:17:10] Because there's all kinds of different phrasings for different things.

[00:17:13] So if you don't have the correct word, like, yeah, it's not good.

[00:17:17] Yeah.

[00:17:18] So sometimes I take issue with some of these because I'm like, I don't know that I knew

[00:17:21] the answer for that.

[00:17:22] Like if the question asks about ham, but the word they used was bacon, like, come on now.

[00:17:28] Come on.

[00:17:29] Right.

[00:17:30] Not that they use bacon or ham in the Bible, but you get what I'm saying.

[00:17:34] Yeah.

[00:17:35] All right.

[00:17:36] Number nine.

[00:17:37] What did the Lord call?

[00:17:38] Wait, did we answer that one?

[00:17:40] No, we didn't.

[00:17:40] I was supposed to read it again.

[00:17:42] Yeah.

[00:17:42] What did the Lord call the swarming locust, hopper, destroyer, and cutter in the second

[00:17:48] chapter of the book of Joel?

[00:17:50] His great destroyer, his bad pests, his great enemy, or his beloved creation.

[00:17:57] I'm going to go with his great destroyer.

[00:17:59] Okay.

[00:17:59] I don't remember.

[00:18:01] Sure.

[00:18:01] No, I got it.

[00:18:03] Last question.

[00:18:04] Oh, there's only 10.

[00:18:04] I thought there were 11.

[00:18:05] That's even better.

[00:18:06] Yeah.

[00:18:07] Number 10.

[00:18:08] According to the book of Joel, how shall the day of the Lord come?

[00:18:12] Like a thief in the night?

[00:18:14] As destruction from the Almighty?

[00:18:17] Like a shepherd?

[00:18:18] As the dawning of the day?

[00:18:21] I'll read it again.

[00:18:22] Okay.

[00:18:23] According to the book of Joel, how shall the day of the Lord come?

[00:18:27] Like a thief in the night?

[00:18:29] As destruction from the Almighty?

[00:18:32] Like a shepherd?

[00:18:33] Or as the dawning of the day?

[00:18:35] Okay.

[00:18:36] I'm going to go with as destruction from the Almighty thing.

[00:18:39] All right.

[00:18:39] Let's see what happens.

[00:18:41] Yeah.

[00:18:41] I'm curious how bad I did.

[00:18:44] Okay.

[00:18:44] Let me see what score you got before we read each one.

[00:18:48] Right.

[00:18:49] Wow.

[00:18:49] You did even worse than me.

[00:18:50] Awesome.

[00:18:51] You got a 40%.

[00:18:52] Jeez.

[00:18:53] Success rate, generally speaking, the average is 61.39.

[00:18:58] Ooh.

[00:18:58] Below average on this one.

[00:19:00] That's okay.

[00:19:00] I was too.

[00:19:01] Yeah.

[00:19:01] But not by much.

[00:19:03] Yeah.

[00:19:03] I was about average, I would say.

[00:19:05] Yeah.

[00:19:06] Yeah.

[00:19:06] And you failed it so fucking hard.

[00:19:08] I did.

[00:19:09] I did.

[00:19:09] All right.

[00:19:10] That's okay.

[00:19:10] That's okay.

[00:19:11] This was a hard one.

[00:19:12] Yeah.

[00:19:12] I think the ones I got right was either the Pethul one, his father was the only one that

[00:19:17] I was sure of.

[00:19:18] Right.

[00:19:18] Everything else I was like, oh.

[00:19:20] Well, such vague questions, but yeah.

[00:19:22] Okay.

[00:19:23] All right.

[00:19:23] Number one.

[00:19:24] What shall the moon be turned to before the great and awesome day of the Lord?

[00:19:28] According to the book of Joel, you chose darkness.

[00:19:31] The answer was blood.

[00:19:33] Maybe that's one of the ones I got right.

[00:19:34] I thought I got it wrong, but yeah, it's blood.

[00:19:37] Right.

[00:19:37] And that was chapter two, verse 31.

[00:19:40] The sun shall be turned to darkness.

[00:19:42] So it was the sun that turned to darkness.

[00:19:44] Okay.

[00:19:44] And the moon to blood before the great and awesome day of the Lord.

[00:19:48] Got it.

[00:19:49] All right.

[00:19:49] There was darkness in there somewhere.

[00:19:51] It's the sun that makes sense in retrospect.

[00:19:54] Right.

[00:19:54] Because when I took this quiz, I didn't read the scripts that are below it.

[00:20:00] Got it.

[00:20:00] I just wanted to score.

[00:20:01] Sure.

[00:20:02] Yeah.

[00:20:02] All right.

[00:20:03] Number two.

[00:20:03] Who was Joel son of Pethuel and we both got it right.

[00:20:07] Right.

[00:20:07] Okay.

[00:20:07] So I'm not even going to read that one.

[00:20:09] Right.

[00:20:09] Right.

[00:20:09] Number three.

[00:20:10] According to Joel, what should the week say?

[00:20:12] They should say I'm a warrior.

[00:20:14] You got that wrong.

[00:20:16] You chose the Lord will fight for me.

[00:20:18] I got that one right.

[00:20:19] Okay.

[00:20:19] Okay.

[00:20:20] Right.

[00:20:20] It chapter three, verse 10.

[00:20:22] It was the whole turn your plows into swords because you're going to need all the help

[00:20:27] you can fucking get if you're taking on God.

[00:20:29] Yeah.

[00:20:30] Go ahead and call yourself strong.

[00:20:31] I kind of knew that that's a section I was from, but I, but to, to sit, I don't

[00:20:36] know, to, to call the week strong.

[00:20:40] Right.

[00:20:40] I was like, that doesn't make sense.

[00:20:41] Okay.

[00:20:41] Well, here, here's what it says.

[00:20:43] Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning hooks into spears.

[00:20:47] Let the week say I am a warrior.

[00:20:50] Okay.

[00:20:50] All right.

[00:20:51] Yeah.

[00:20:51] It actually is exactly that.

[00:20:53] Right.

[00:20:54] But I'm pretty sure it was only an accident that I got that one right.

[00:20:57] Got it.

[00:20:58] Number four.

[00:20:59] According to Joel, how did the Lord react from Zion?

[00:21:03] With thunders, whispers, roars, or lights?

[00:21:06] Probably roars.

[00:21:07] It's roars.

[00:21:08] Of course.

[00:21:08] You got that wrong.

[00:21:09] Cause you chose thunder.

[00:21:10] I did.

[00:21:11] Chapter three, verse 16 reads the Lord roars from Zion and utters his voice from Jerusalem

[00:21:17] and the heavens and the earth quake.

[00:21:19] But the Lord is a refuge to his people, a stronghold to the people of Israel.

[00:21:23] There was thunder in there somewhere though.

[00:21:24] There was.

[00:21:25] I remember it.

[00:21:26] Yeah.

[00:21:26] I don't know.

[00:21:27] Honestly.

[00:21:27] That's why this is like, they, they trick you with these questions.

[00:21:30] And I'm like, I know I knew that was in there.

[00:21:32] You know what else?

[00:21:33] They ask questions that are like fucking inane and irrelevant.

[00:21:36] Like who fucking cares?

[00:21:39] Well, that's just it.

[00:21:40] Like, I feel like we should come up with our own Bible study quizzes for these things

[00:21:44] because I don't like their questions.

[00:21:46] Even here's the thing though.

[00:21:47] Like I agree with you in theory, but I am so bad at coming up with test questions.

[00:21:55] Right.

[00:21:55] And I realized this when I was in college and I would try to make up questions for myself

[00:22:02] to try to guess what a teacher might ask.

[00:22:05] I, I just couldn't like, I would read the information and I'm like, how do I turn this into a quiz?

[00:22:12] Right.

[00:22:13] So I'm, I'm not your girl for that.

[00:22:15] Sorry.

[00:22:16] Like, I'm not saying it's a thing that isn't or shouldn't be done.

[00:22:19] I'm saying that is not in my wheelhouse.

[00:22:21] Yeah, no, I got it.

[00:22:23] All right.

[00:22:23] Number five in the book of Joel, where did the Lord say he will sit to judge the surrounding

[00:22:28] nations?

[00:22:29] And I am mistaken.

[00:22:30] You got this one, right?

[00:22:31] It was the Valley of Jehoshaphat.

[00:22:33] Okay.

[00:22:33] Which I can't remember now if I chose that or not, but it seems like I should have.

[00:22:37] Right.

[00:22:38] Okay.

[00:22:38] Uh, what has eaten what the cutting locust has left?

[00:22:42] We both got that one, right?

[00:22:44] The swarming locusts.

[00:22:45] Okay.

[00:22:46] Okay.

[00:22:46] That makes sense.

[00:22:46] I will allow it.

[00:22:48] Number seven.

[00:22:50] Oh, I got this one right.

[00:22:51] You got this one wrong.

[00:22:52] No.

[00:22:53] According to Joel chapter two, who shall dream dreams?

[00:22:57] Kings, judges, priests, or none of the above.

[00:23:00] And you chose priests.

[00:23:01] And the answer was none of the above.

[00:23:03] Yeah.

[00:23:03] And that's what I chose.

[00:23:04] Okay.

[00:23:04] That's exciting.

[00:23:05] This is fun going back through this.

[00:23:06] I'm like, did I do good there?

[00:23:09] Okay.

[00:23:09] So chapter two, verse 28 reads, and it shall come to pass afterward that I will pour out

[00:23:15] my spirit.

[00:23:16] Yeah, you will on all the flesh, your sons and your daughters shall prophecy.

[00:23:21] Your old men shall dream dreams and your young men shall see visions.

[00:23:26] Hmm.

[00:23:27] Okay.

[00:23:27] Okay.

[00:23:28] Yeah.

[00:23:28] Yeah.

[00:23:28] Number eight.

[00:23:30] You got this one wrong.

[00:23:31] Of course.

[00:23:32] Why were they asked to put in the sickle in the book of Joel?

[00:23:36] You chose because the enemy will soon invade.

[00:23:39] The answer was the harvest is ripe.

[00:23:42] Got it.

[00:23:42] I got that one wrong.

[00:23:43] I think that I chose the same answer as you, none of them thinking about it.

[00:23:47] Right.

[00:23:47] So chapter three, verse 13 reads, put in the sickle for the harvest is ripe.

[00:23:52] Go in, tread for the winepress is full.

[00:23:56] The vats overflow for their evil is great.

[00:23:58] That was their feeling good chapter.

[00:24:00] Feel good.

[00:24:03] Number nine.

[00:24:04] What did the Lord call the swarming locust, hopper, destroyer and cutter in the second

[00:24:10] chapter of the book of Joel?

[00:24:12] You got this one wrong.

[00:24:13] Hmm.

[00:24:13] He called it his great army, but you chose his great destroyer.

[00:24:18] Got it.

[00:24:19] And I don't remember what I guessed and if I got it right or wrong.

[00:24:22] Sure.

[00:24:23] But chapter two, verse 25 reads, I will restore to you the years that the swarming locust has

[00:24:30] eaten the hopper, the destroyer and the cutter, my great army, which I sent among

[00:24:36] you.

[00:24:36] Hmm.

[00:24:37] Okay.

[00:24:37] Yeah.

[00:24:39] All right.

[00:24:40] Number 10, according to the book of Joel, how shall the day of the Lord come?

[00:24:45] You got this one right.

[00:24:46] Yeah.

[00:24:46] As destruction from the almighty.

[00:24:49] I had chosen like a thief in the night just because it sounded poetic.

[00:24:53] And you know, I'm a sucker for poesy.

[00:24:55] Right.

[00:24:56] Right.

[00:24:56] All right.

[00:24:57] That is that we are fucking done with Joel.

[00:25:00] We are.

[00:25:01] Yeah.

[00:25:02] I, uh, I do have to say, I don't, I really don't like the questions that they use in these

[00:25:07] things because they don't seem relevant to the overall, you know, purpose of what we

[00:25:12] read.

[00:25:12] I'm like, who gives a fuck about that?

[00:25:15] These questions are like the power trip and teacher.

[00:25:18] Did you memorize everything?

[00:25:19] I bet you didn't.

[00:25:20] Right.

[00:25:20] Right.

[00:25:21] Oh, I thought we were trying to learn, but what you want to do is a gotcha.

[00:25:26] Sure.

[00:25:26] That's not the same.

[00:25:27] Yeah.

[00:25:27] Like if you get the general theme, you get the idea of what was happening and you know,

[00:25:33] like the important characters, I feel like that's good enough.

[00:25:36] Yeah.

[00:25:37] Yeah.

[00:25:37] Whatever.

[00:25:38] Like I always thought that there should be somehow enough teachers ever in the world

[00:25:44] to just be able to have a discussion with each student and have them describe a lesson

[00:25:50] to you.

[00:25:51] Yeah.

[00:25:51] Just to see, did you get the main idea?

[00:25:53] Can you do critical thinking?

[00:25:54] Yeah.

[00:25:55] Like actual learning.

[00:25:56] Yeah.

[00:25:56] Right.

[00:25:57] Yeah.

[00:25:57] Yeah, exactly.

[00:25:58] Because, okay.

[00:26:00] How many times, and maybe this is just me because, um, you know, I've learned as an

[00:26:04] adult that I have autism, um, how many times as an adult or as a kid, did you have to read

[00:26:12] a passage in literature and like for a test?

[00:26:17] Yeah.

[00:26:18] Usually they were like the state tests, I want to say.

[00:26:21] And so you didn't have a lot of time to like dig in and it wasn't from a book.

[00:26:25] It was just an excerpt.

[00:26:26] Right.

[00:26:27] And then the questions ask opinions about stuff.

[00:26:31] And I'm always like, well, I mean, it's this, but it could also be that.

[00:26:36] And then the choices, there's like 10 different multiple choice answers.

[00:26:41] Right.

[00:26:41] And some of them are like A and B, C, but not D, C and D.

[00:26:46] And it's like, oh my God.

[00:26:48] Like I, I overthink every one of the questions.

[00:26:54] And because they feel tricksy instead of, Hey, Hey, what can you, let's talk about this passage.

[00:27:01] And did you kind of get it?

[00:27:03] And what did you think about this thing?

[00:27:05] See, I never stressed about multiple choice questions because I either knew it or I didn't.

[00:27:09] And if I didn't know it, it was just my best guess.

[00:27:11] So like those, those didn't bother me.

[00:27:13] The ones that bothered me, well, they were the easiest and the hardest.

[00:27:16] So if I didn't study for something, the essay, the essay questions, right.

[00:27:20] If I, if I didn't study for something or the long answer, not essay, but like, yeah, I was fucked.

[00:27:25] Yeah.

[00:27:26] But if I did study for something, you might not know the easiest.

[00:27:29] Cause like, yeah, even if I just rudimentary, like basically just studied the gist of it.

[00:27:35] Yeah.

[00:27:35] I could answer the question and still get it, you know, but the, the, the multiple choice, I'm just like, well, I either get it or I don't.

[00:27:42] Right.

[00:27:43] So, and I think that that's why, because I didn't fuss about the, um, the essay or the long answer, whatever, like those didn't bother me either because I can bullshit my way out of a bag.

[00:27:56] Yeah.

[00:27:56] But, um, the multiple choice, like that just bothered me.

[00:28:01] It bothered me because like, I wanted to know what is the answer.

[00:28:05] Right.

[00:28:05] Right.

[00:28:06] Like, what is the answer?

[00:28:07] Can we talk about this?

[00:28:09] Like, I wanted to go up to the instructor and be like, but can we talk about this when the test is done?

[00:28:14] Right.

[00:28:15] And they, they don't.

[00:28:16] And that to me is like, not a good example of learning.

[00:28:21] Right.

[00:28:22] Like, here's a question.

[00:28:23] We'll never talk about it again.

[00:28:25] Hope that works out for you.

[00:28:26] And I'm like, but I wanted to know.

[00:28:28] Yeah.

[00:28:29] What?

[00:28:29] And how did you reach that conclusion?

[00:28:30] I think that's the biggest problem with learning and, and, and cookie cutter kind of scenarios.

[00:28:35] Right.

[00:28:36] Learning is not something that they necessarily care about.

[00:28:40] No.

[00:28:40] It's about.

[00:28:41] Memorization and passing and state scores.

[00:28:44] Yeah.

[00:28:44] So the, the whole, like, you know, you, you, I've got a, I've got a thing where I've memorized

[00:28:49] like the helping verbs and I don't, I couldn't actually sit there and tell you what they are,

[00:28:54] but I can rattle them off.

[00:28:55] Go ahead.

[00:28:56] Go ahead.

[00:28:56] It's your favorite.

[00:28:59] Okay.

[00:29:00] Helping verbs, everybody.

[00:29:01] Am is our was were be, be men do does did have has had can could shall should will would

[00:29:05] may might must.

[00:29:06] I hate that so much because you rattle it off so fucking fast that nobody can understand

[00:29:12] what the fuck you're saying.

[00:29:13] Right.

[00:29:13] And you do it like every time, even something vaguely, even close to that area in conversation

[00:29:23] comes up.

[00:29:23] You're like, Oh, happy.

[00:29:26] And I'm like, why?

[00:29:28] No, but it's the point.

[00:29:29] It's the, it's the, it's the, it's an exercise in stupidity.

[00:29:33] Right.

[00:29:34] Right.

[00:29:34] Like, I don't have any need for that in my brain.

[00:29:38] Right.

[00:29:38] It's there.

[00:29:39] Here's, here's my problem.

[00:29:40] Like I have zero ability to memorize things.

[00:29:44] I have to learn something or I have to make up a, a mnemonic device or a jingle or like

[00:29:53] something that is a clue, like a workaround.

[00:29:57] Right.

[00:29:57] You know what I mean?

[00:29:57] A system, which is very autistic.

[00:30:00] You, you come up with workarounds.

[00:30:03] Everything's a transaction kind of thing.

[00:30:06] Right.

[00:30:06] Yeah.

[00:30:06] So things like memorizing the multiplication table that didn't work for me.

[00:30:14] Right.

[00:30:14] I do not have the multiplication table memorized.

[00:30:17] What I have is the ability to count by numbers.

[00:30:22] Sure.

[00:30:22] So once I got up to my sixes, like I had to learn how to count by six in order to be able

[00:30:28] to tell you things like what is six times seven.

[00:30:31] Sure.

[00:30:31] Because I can't memorize.

[00:30:34] Right.

[00:30:34] Like it's just, it's so much random data that I ha I can't, I can't place it.

[00:30:41] Like I, I need to be able to picture where it belongs.

[00:30:44] But I don't think necessarily memorization equates to learning.

[00:30:48] It doesn't.

[00:30:49] That's my point.

[00:30:50] So it doesn't really matter.

[00:30:52] I actually learned why six times seven is 42.

[00:30:57] Right.

[00:30:58] Because you can count to by six, seven times, or you can count by seven, six times.

[00:31:05] Sure.

[00:31:05] The first time that I told my mom that it blew her fucking mind.

[00:31:11] And I get it.

[00:31:12] Like if you tried to explain that to kids that are memorizing the times tables.

[00:31:17] Yeah.

[00:31:18] You know, they're like, what?

[00:31:20] Oh, right.

[00:31:22] Like I have a better understanding of how numbers slide into each other.

[00:31:27] Sure.

[00:31:27] Because I had to learn how to count by the numbers rather than just memorize these random

[00:31:33] fucking numbers that make no goddamn sense.

[00:31:35] Right.

[00:31:35] Yeah.

[00:31:36] So that's my prime example of memorization versus learning.

[00:31:40] And that learning is so much better because you actually understand it.

[00:31:44] It takes longer.

[00:31:45] The alphabet.

[00:31:45] We have to memorize the alphabet.

[00:31:46] Right.

[00:31:47] Yeah.

[00:31:47] But like what practical purpose does that really have other than alphabetizing something?

[00:31:51] Right.

[00:31:52] Right.

[00:31:52] Which a lot of kids, this surprises me.

[00:31:55] A lot of kids have problems finding stuff in a dictionary because they don't understand

[00:32:03] alphabetization.

[00:32:04] Hmm.

[00:32:05] Yeah.

[00:32:06] Interesting.

[00:32:06] Like they know if it starts with an A, it's in the A's.

[00:32:09] Right.

[00:32:10] But then after that, like they don't know that you go to the next letter.

[00:32:14] Huh.

[00:32:14] And I found that when kid was in elementary school, one of the school years I volunteered

[00:32:23] and helped kids that were like struggling a little bit.

[00:32:27] Yeah.

[00:32:27] And like I would just sit out in the hallway with them and like we go over spelling words

[00:32:30] and stuff like that.

[00:32:31] Yeah.

[00:32:31] And I discovered that like kids cannot, cannot, cannot.

[00:32:38] They cannot.

[00:32:39] Yeah.

[00:32:40] And like another thing, I know this is so way off topic.

[00:32:44] Another thing is that the teachers would give me these assignments to work with the kids

[00:32:51] and they were all game based, which game based learning is a thing.

[00:32:56] If you can make learning fun.

[00:32:58] Right.

[00:32:58] Absolutely.

[00:32:59] But these particular games like served no purpose.

[00:33:02] They didn't help.

[00:33:04] Right.

[00:33:04] And so I was like, hang on, hang on, hang on.

[00:33:07] What you actually need is fucking practice.

[00:33:10] Yeah.

[00:33:11] Like you just need to write this word several times and then you'll, you'll get it because

[00:33:16] you can sound things out.

[00:33:17] Like I've worked with you on these other words.

[00:33:19] You know how to do this.

[00:33:21] Right.

[00:33:21] You don't need to be farting around with these other fucking pointless assignments where

[00:33:26] you lose track of why you're trying to, to do this.

[00:33:29] Sure.

[00:33:29] So I would just have them like, first I'll call off all your spelling words.

[00:33:34] Right.

[00:33:34] And then we'll see what you know.

[00:33:36] And we're just going to put those words aside.

[00:33:38] You got those.

[00:33:39] Yeah.

[00:33:39] Like, but they wanted me to practice all of them.

[00:33:42] And I'm like, I'm not wasting your time or mine kid.

[00:33:44] If you know these, if you only have problems with half of the words.

[00:33:49] Right.

[00:33:49] That's half the battle already won.

[00:33:51] Yeah.

[00:33:52] And plus you're telling the kid like, oh my God, you're doing so good.

[00:33:56] I thought you weren't going to know any of these, but you already know half of them.

[00:33:59] Right.

[00:34:00] That's awesome.

[00:34:00] And then we would just concentrate on the other 10.

[00:34:02] Yeah.

[00:34:03] So that makes sense.

[00:34:04] Right.

[00:34:05] Like I am not exactly the smartest cookie in the jar.

[00:34:09] I don't know why I can come up with that.

[00:34:11] And, you know, actual people with master's degrees couldn't.

[00:34:15] I, it's something inherently wrong in the system.

[00:34:18] Yeah.

[00:34:18] That's an entirely different.

[00:34:20] So, um, do we have anything else to add about the Bible?

[00:34:24] No, I'll stop.

[00:34:27] All right.

[00:34:28] So that finishes us out for Joel.

[00:34:31] Bye Joel.

[00:34:32] Yeah.

[00:34:32] And I will be, uh, the weekly wrap up will be coming out tomorrow.

[00:34:35] You may have noticed that things are a little behind.

[00:34:38] So, um, basically we're going to be starting the new book midweek ish.

[00:34:43] Right.

[00:34:43] And, uh, we're, we're just not going to worry about it because we fell behind and this allows

[00:34:47] us time to get the things we need done, done.

[00:34:50] And it's standard for us at this point.

[00:34:52] And we're just not going to feel bad and beat ourselves up.

[00:34:55] We're just going to do our best to keep showing up.

[00:34:57] Well, and the problem is that if, when we release a episode, when we do like the multiple

[00:35:00] releases on the same day, we still just end up falling back behind because we were already

[00:35:04] behind.

[00:35:05] Right.

[00:35:05] So it doesn't make any sense to do that.

[00:35:07] Exactly.

[00:35:08] So we're just going to go from here.

[00:35:09] Yep.

[00:35:10] And, and move forward.

[00:35:11] And it be what it be.

[00:35:12] And I be what it be.

[00:35:13] Yep.

[00:35:13] All right.

[00:35:14] Well, thank you guys so much for listening to us rant about everything.

[00:35:19] As I do.

[00:35:20] Um, and we will be back, like I said, tomorrow with the, the, uh, weekly wrap up.

[00:35:25] And then, um, we'll be back after that with the first book.

[00:35:30] Uh, I can't remember his name.

[00:35:32] No, like I've, I've looked at it three different times.

[00:35:36] The first time you asked me, I couldn't remember.

[00:35:38] And it came up in chat.

[00:35:40] Um, it was in our live discord.

[00:35:43] Yeah.

[00:35:43] And, um, some of our fun discord listeners helpfully put it.

[00:35:47] And like, I saw it, but it would not stick in my head.

[00:35:50] Is it Amos?

[00:35:51] Maybe.

[00:35:51] I'm looking it up right now.

[00:35:53] Okay.

[00:35:53] So that we can tell everybody.

[00:35:54] Okay.

[00:35:55] Um, but it is Amos.

[00:35:56] Yes.

[00:35:56] Oh my God.

[00:35:57] Yeah.

[00:35:57] It finally stuck.

[00:35:59] So we'll wrap up and then the first chapter of Amos will be coming up.

[00:36:03] I might, I might even remember it.

[00:36:05] You might, you might.

[00:36:07] I'm yeah.

[00:36:08] We'll see how that goes.

[00:36:09] Okay.

[00:36:10] Yeah.

[00:36:10] All right.

[00:36:11] Thanks everybody.

[00:36:12] Bye.