Jonah Chapter 2: Bible Study by Atheists

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[00:01:39] Wife!

[00:01:39] Do you know what we're doing today?

[00:01:42] Well...

[00:01:43] I wasn't done singing.

[00:01:44] Today!

[00:01:46] Well...

[00:01:49] Well...

[00:01:49] Yes?

[00:01:50] Yesterday...

[00:01:50] Yesterday...

[00:01:51] We did Jonah chapter 1.

[00:01:53] We sure as fuck did.

[00:01:54] Yeah.

[00:01:54] And in that chapter, God called on Jonah to travel to Nineveh, I believe.

[00:02:01] Nineveh, yeah.

[00:02:02] And Jonah was like, fuck this shit.

[00:02:04] I'm out.

[00:02:05] Yeah.

[00:02:05] He was like, bitch, bye.

[00:02:06] And then we went on a three-hour tour.

[00:02:09] Literally!

[00:02:12] And the boat got in some bad shit, apparently.

[00:02:16] Bad weather?

[00:02:17] They think it was probably God.

[00:02:18] And then they were like, what do we do?

[00:02:20] And he's like, you should probably just throw me overboard.

[00:02:22] And then they were like, no, man, we're going to row back.

[00:02:24] And they're like, nah, this isn't working, man.

[00:02:26] We're going to throw you overboard.

[00:02:27] So then they threw him overboard.

[00:02:28] And then a giant fish swallowed him.

[00:02:30] The end.

[00:02:31] The end.

[00:02:32] Yes.

[00:02:33] And that's where we left off.

[00:02:34] That's where we left off, yeah.

[00:02:35] Yeah.

[00:02:36] We also had a very lengthy intro to this guy.

[00:02:38] We did.

[00:02:39] Only four chapters, but there's so much to say about him.

[00:02:42] Yeah.

[00:02:42] It's so stupid.

[00:02:43] Well, I mean, you know.

[00:02:45] It's the Bible.

[00:02:45] It's the only minor prophet I knew before starting the Bible.

[00:02:48] I know.

[00:02:48] You said that yesterday.

[00:02:48] I know.

[00:02:49] I'm just saying.

[00:02:50] It's still true.

[00:02:50] Obviously, there's something there, I guess.

[00:02:52] I guess.

[00:02:52] So anyway, that was Jonah chapter one.

[00:02:55] Mm-hmm.

[00:02:55] Which means that today we're doing.

[00:02:57] Jonah chapter two.

[00:02:59] All right.

[00:02:59] Let's do this.

[00:03:06] Okay.

[00:03:06] Two things.

[00:03:07] Ready?

[00:03:07] Yeah.

[00:03:08] Okay.

[00:03:09] Okie dokie.

[00:03:10] Yeah.

[00:03:11] You forgot that in the intro.

[00:03:13] I paused, but then you just kept not doing it.

[00:03:15] You stared at me, but I was already.

[00:03:16] What's going on?

[00:03:17] I was on to the next thing.

[00:03:18] Yeah.

[00:03:18] Like, my brain had moved on.

[00:03:20] Well, now you covered it for anybody that was like, where's the okie dokie?

[00:03:23] Where's the okie?

[00:03:23] There it is.

[00:03:24] There it is.

[00:03:24] Mark it off your bingo board, guys.

[00:03:26] The other thing was that it's really funny that there's going to be a prayer of Thanksgiving.

[00:03:32] And, like, we just had that holiday.

[00:03:34] Wait.

[00:03:35] There's a prayer of Thanksgiving?

[00:03:36] It's in here.

[00:03:37] Oh.

[00:03:38] Okay.

[00:03:38] For deliverance.

[00:03:39] But not, like, Thanksgiving, the American holiday.

[00:03:41] No.

[00:03:41] No.

[00:03:42] No.

[00:03:42] That would be silly.

[00:03:43] They're literally giving thanks.

[00:03:45] Well, something.

[00:03:46] I don't know.

[00:03:47] I just.

[00:03:48] There's a title, and I don't typically read the titles, but it says Jonah's Prayer of Thanksgiving.

[00:03:53] That's why Jonah's really popular, I bet.

[00:03:55] Because Thanksgiving?

[00:03:56] Because he's got a Thanksgiving prayer.

[00:03:58] I have no idea.

[00:03:59] I mean, it couldn't hurt, right?

[00:04:01] True.

[00:04:01] I mean, obviously, they didn't know that there was going to be a holiday called Thanksgiving

[00:04:04] later.

[00:04:05] Ha ha.

[00:04:06] All right.

[00:04:07] Ready?

[00:04:07] Yeah.

[00:04:08] From inside the fish, Jonah prayed to the Lord his God.

[00:04:12] Bullshit.

[00:04:13] He said, in my distress, I called to the Lord.

[00:04:17] And he answered me.

[00:04:18] From deep in the realm of the dead, I called for help.

[00:04:21] And you listened to my cry.

[00:04:23] He.

[00:04:23] You.

[00:04:23] He.

[00:04:24] You.

[00:04:24] Which one?

[00:04:25] Pick a tense, guy.

[00:04:27] Given the fact that you can't live in the belly of a fish and you would die.

[00:04:31] Yeah.

[00:04:31] This could be looked at as like a resurrection story.

[00:04:34] That is what we discussed yesterday.

[00:04:36] Right.

[00:04:36] But I mean, people assume that he just lived the whole time.

[00:04:39] Maybe he died.

[00:04:40] This is the way they're talking about it right now.

[00:04:42] This is the dead part.

[00:04:43] Right.

[00:04:44] Yeah.

[00:04:44] Yeah.

[00:04:44] You hurled me into the depths, into the very heart of the seas and the currents swirled

[00:04:50] about me.

[00:04:50] All your waves and breakers swept over me.

[00:04:53] I said, I've been banished from your sight.

[00:04:56] Yet I will look again toward your holy temple.

[00:04:59] The engulfing waters threatened me.

[00:05:02] The deep surrounded me.

[00:05:04] Seaweed was wrapped around my fucking head.

[00:05:07] What?

[00:05:08] He ran away from God.

[00:05:09] Yeah.

[00:05:10] But now he's in the belly of the head.

[00:05:12] But now he's worried about being cast out?

[00:05:13] No.

[00:05:14] No.

[00:05:14] He's like, now I'm praying.

[00:05:16] Okay.

[00:05:16] I'm praying to God.

[00:05:18] Like, I did this thing.

[00:05:21] You told me to do a thing.

[00:05:22] I didn't do it.

[00:05:23] You got pissed at me.

[00:05:24] And I went overboard and a fish swallowed me.

[00:05:28] And now I realize that I can either die or pray to you.

[00:05:33] Got it.

[00:05:33] So I'm praying to you.

[00:05:35] All right.

[00:05:35] And there's fucking seaweed wrapped around my head.

[00:05:38] Right.

[00:05:38] Yeah.

[00:05:39] To the roots of the mountains, I sank down.

[00:05:42] The earth beneath barred me in forever.

[00:05:45] But you, Lord my God, brought my life up from the pit.

[00:05:49] When my life was ebbing away, I remembered you, Lord.

[00:05:54] And my prayer rose to you, to your holy temple.

[00:05:57] When was his life, was his life ebbing away as he's sitting in the fish right now?

[00:06:01] I think so.

[00:06:01] Or when is this that we're talking about?

[00:06:03] That, this is, I think, yes.

[00:06:05] Is this prior to him waving his dick at Leviathan?

[00:06:08] Or?

[00:06:08] No, that was the Jewish legend.

[00:06:10] Or no, the, um, not the Jewish.

[00:06:12] Was it the Jewish legend?

[00:06:13] Or the, um, Muslim legend?

[00:06:17] Probably Jewish.

[00:06:18] Probably.

[00:06:18] The Leviathan is something we talked about before, so.

[00:06:20] Yeah.

[00:06:20] Yeah.

[00:06:21] So, yeah.

[00:06:22] I, I don't know.

[00:06:23] But that wasn't Bible.

[00:06:23] So that's not part of this.

[00:06:24] Okay.

[00:06:24] No, no, no.

[00:06:25] All right.

[00:06:25] I mean, maybe it was.

[00:06:26] I was curious.

[00:06:27] I wasn't there.

[00:06:27] I didn't see what he did with his dick.

[00:06:29] I didn't see what he did with his dick.

[00:06:30] Okay.

[00:06:31] So I don't know.

[00:06:31] All right.

[00:06:32] Those who cling to worthless idols, continues.

[00:06:36] Yeah.

[00:06:36] What's his face?

[00:06:37] Turn away from God's love for them.

[00:06:39] Jonah.

[00:06:40] Jonah.

[00:06:40] But I, Jonah.

[00:06:42] Yeah.

[00:06:42] With shouts of grateful praise will sacrifice to you.

[00:06:46] What I have vowed, I will make good.

[00:06:49] Okay.

[00:06:49] I will say salvation comes from the Lord.

[00:06:52] Yeah.

[00:06:52] Okay.

[00:06:53] And final verse.

[00:06:54] Ready?

[00:06:54] Yeah.

[00:06:55] Oh, wow.

[00:06:55] Really?

[00:06:56] I told you it was short.

[00:06:56] This is really short.

[00:06:57] I told you it was short.

[00:06:59] And the Lord commanded the fish and it vomited.

[00:07:01] Vomited Jonah onto dry land.

[00:07:03] The end.

[00:07:03] Wow.

[00:07:04] That was.

[00:07:04] So he just had to pray once.

[00:07:06] Okay.

[00:07:07] Yeah.

[00:07:08] And he got vomited onto dry land.

[00:07:09] He didn't have to swim.

[00:07:10] He just was like.

[00:07:11] The fish like swam right up to the shore and was like, here you go, Jonah.

[00:07:14] Boop.

[00:07:15] Taxi rides over.

[00:07:16] Right?

[00:07:16] I mean, what the fuck?

[00:07:18] Like, did he barf it or did he send it out of.

[00:07:21] How does blowhole?

[00:07:22] Like, I'm imagining what this would look like in a movie scene.

[00:07:25] And it's just really cheesy.

[00:07:27] Yeah.

[00:07:27] You know, like there's a fish literally swimming up to a shore and then spitting

[00:07:31] out of human.

[00:07:32] Okay.

[00:07:32] Wait, but remember in Star Trek for the journey home?

[00:07:37] Yeah.

[00:07:37] Remember how there was a whale?

[00:07:39] I do.

[00:07:40] And remember how Spock was like, he put his hand next to the glass and he was like communing

[00:07:47] with her and he was like, she's pregnant.

[00:07:49] Right.

[00:07:49] And then the lady was like, how do you know that?

[00:07:52] Nobody knows that.

[00:07:52] But then the next minute he's like swimming in the tank with the fucking whale.

[00:07:57] Right.

[00:07:58] Do you remember that?

[00:07:58] I do.

[00:07:59] Okay.

[00:08:00] So that happened.

[00:08:04] That happened where?

[00:08:05] What do you mean?

[00:08:07] So he, the whale.

[00:08:10] In Star Trek or in Jonah?

[00:08:12] In Jonah.

[00:08:13] In Jonah.

[00:08:13] Okay.

[00:08:14] Was just like swimming around and the guy was with him like Spock only inside him, not

[00:08:20] with him.

[00:08:20] Sure.

[00:08:20] Yeah.

[00:08:21] Not by him.

[00:08:21] But inside his belly.

[00:08:23] He put his hands on the intestinal wall.

[00:08:25] Yeah.

[00:08:26] Okay.

[00:08:26] And then the whale was like, you taste gross.

[00:08:29] And then went and spit them like real far onto dry land.

[00:08:35] I'm not sure how you made the correlation between those two things, but I'm not sure

[00:08:39] either.

[00:08:39] In retrospect, I just really like you say, well, really wanted to talk about Star

[00:08:43] Trek.

[00:08:43] I think you say, well, I say Star Trek, Star Trek, whale, Star Trek, whale.

[00:08:49] I can't help it.

[00:08:51] Okay.

[00:08:52] Here's the thing.

[00:08:53] That movie came out at a very precious time in my life.

[00:08:57] Yeah.

[00:08:57] And it was a family movie.

[00:09:00] We saw it in theater.

[00:09:02] It just, I loved it so much.

[00:09:05] I hadn't seen any of the Star Treks preceding it, not the show, not any of the movies before

[00:09:11] it.

[00:09:11] This is what got you into Star Trek?

[00:09:13] Yes.

[00:09:14] Because when I saw it, I thought it was kind of cheesy.

[00:09:16] No, I fucking loved it.

[00:09:18] And I loved the girl and I wanted them to end up together forever.

[00:09:23] Oh man.

[00:09:24] But you've, you've watched Star Trek now, right?

[00:09:26] Oh yeah.

[00:09:27] Oh yeah.

[00:09:27] Wouldn't you agree that as far as like, I don't know.

[00:09:31] It was the 80s.

[00:09:32] No, I know.

[00:09:32] I know.

[00:09:33] I know.

[00:09:33] But like.

[00:09:34] It was very 80s.

[00:09:35] It's out of character for like, I don't know.

[00:09:37] It's just different than any of the other Star Treks.

[00:09:39] It is.

[00:09:40] But it was trying to do something new and different.

[00:09:42] Right.

[00:09:43] And I appreciate it.

[00:09:44] I get that.

[00:09:44] I think that I just, okay.

[00:09:46] I have a really, really hard time discerning if I like something or if I have good memories

[00:09:53] associated with it.

[00:09:55] Sure.

[00:09:56] Okay.

[00:09:56] Sure.

[00:09:56] Like my carometer is busted.

[00:10:00] And so like, I just, I have a really hard time gauging.

[00:10:04] So when I think of that movie, I can recognize it's probably not really that good a movie.

[00:10:10] And like nobody ever went back in time or forward in time ever again.

[00:10:14] Just that one time.

[00:10:15] I mean, they figured out how to do it.

[00:10:17] You slingshot the fucking sun.

[00:10:19] Right.

[00:10:19] You know?

[00:10:20] Right.

[00:10:20] That's it.

[00:10:21] That's all there is to it.

[00:10:22] I think that'd be a pretty simple concept to follow up with.

[00:10:24] But it never, it never happened ever again.

[00:10:26] Well, maybe they made laws.

[00:10:27] Like, hey, you can't do this shit.

[00:10:28] You mean like the one where you can't use your fucking warp drive because you're like

[00:10:34] literally tearing the fucking universe apart?

[00:10:38] Yes.

[00:10:38] Like that one.

[00:10:38] Every time you do it?

[00:10:39] Yeah.

[00:10:39] Yeah.

[00:10:40] They didn't make any laws of that.

[00:10:41] Well, they did, but then they broke them again.

[00:10:43] And they forgot about it.

[00:10:44] Yeah.

[00:10:44] Well, I am not a true fan.

[00:10:47] I would not call myself a Trekkie or a Trekker because I don't know nearly enough as the

[00:10:53] cultish fandom.

[00:10:55] We're merely Trekkie adjacent.

[00:10:57] I love Star Trek.

[00:10:58] I just don't know all the things.

[00:11:00] That's what I'm saying.

[00:11:00] Trekkie adjacent.

[00:11:01] Yeah.

[00:11:01] Yeah.

[00:11:02] So anyway, I just, I have very fond feelings for that movie.

[00:11:06] Cheesy as it is and plot hole ridden.

[00:11:09] And I just, I love it.

[00:11:11] I can't help it.

[00:11:11] No, I get it.

[00:11:12] And also I went back afterwards and now of all the movies, Star Trek three, the search

[00:11:20] for Spock.

[00:11:20] Yeah.

[00:11:21] Is my favorite.

[00:11:22] That's a good one.

[00:11:22] Yeah.

[00:11:23] That's a good one.

[00:11:23] Yeah.

[00:11:24] I did not love the wrath of Khan.

[00:11:26] Really?

[00:11:27] Number two, because let me tell you those ear wigs, they, no, they freaked me the fuck

[00:11:32] out.

[00:11:33] I could not with those.

[00:11:34] I would say wrath of Khan is probably my favorite.

[00:11:36] So that tracks.

[00:11:37] No, I loved the search for spa as far as the original movies go anyway.

[00:11:42] I just, I loved the search for Spock because watching him go through that process, just,

[00:11:49] I, I don't know.

[00:11:50] I felt it.

[00:11:51] And then, you know, to then go watch four again and, you know, see, Oh, that's why he

[00:11:59] was so weird in the beginning.

[00:12:01] Like, I know Spock is supposed to be logical, but he's like, Oh, I'm disconnected from my

[00:12:05] human feelings.

[00:12:06] And like, I didn't understand the whole storyline.

[00:12:09] Right.

[00:12:09] You know, at the beginning of four.

[00:12:11] Sure.

[00:12:11] Sure.

[00:12:12] It's because he had to regrow and redevelop all of it from, you know, that when he died

[00:12:17] in three, he died and was brought back to life.

[00:12:22] And it was called the Genesis project.

[00:12:24] And we're reading the Bible and we're reading about Jonah and the whale who, and Jonah was

[00:12:31] resurrected.

[00:12:32] And wife circles it all back.

[00:12:33] And, and Jonah is supposed to be a stand in maybe for eventual Jesus.

[00:12:38] There you go.

[00:12:39] Spock is motherfucking Jesus.

[00:12:41] There you go.

[00:12:42] Holy shit.

[00:12:43] You heard it here first.

[00:12:44] Okay.

[00:12:45] Logical Jesus.

[00:12:46] We're done.

[00:12:47] That's it.

[00:12:48] Okay.

[00:12:49] I mean, I just, that was a bombshell.

[00:12:51] So yeah.

[00:12:52] Oh, I do have one.

[00:12:53] I do.

[00:12:53] I am sorry to interrupt your bombshell, but I do have, I do have.

[00:12:58] So if anybody knows of a good place where I could find like a place to track down clips

[00:13:02] that I could find for Star Trek, there are so many great relevant clips with regard to,

[00:13:11] you know, politics, secular, like non-belief, secularism.

[00:13:17] Yeah.

[00:13:17] You know, there's so many things that I would love to clip out of different episodes, but

[00:13:21] the only place I can find it is in places where I can't use like screen capture things

[00:13:25] and whatever.

[00:13:26] And I'm like, come on, there's gotta be somewhere where there's like a, just a wealth of, of

[00:13:31] Star Trek episodes.

[00:13:33] And, and as I'm thinking of it, I think I just figured out where I could find some.

[00:13:36] So, but anyway, that's, that's neither here nor there.

[00:13:40] Anyway.

[00:13:41] So that was a Jonah chapter two.

[00:13:43] Sure as fuck was.

[00:13:43] And a lot of Star Trek.

[00:13:45] I mean, Spock is Jesus.

[00:13:48] Like that's going to stay with me.

[00:13:51] That, that was profound.

[00:13:53] You're bound.

[00:13:54] Literally.

[00:13:55] Yeah.

[00:13:55] You're not.

[00:13:56] Well, I mean, I, the Genesis thing and the dying and the, I had put that together before.

[00:14:00] I just, I hadn't.

[00:14:02] Yeah.

[00:14:02] And, oh, wow.

[00:14:04] That is just, man.

[00:14:07] Okay.

[00:14:07] I'm sorry.

[00:14:08] I'm done.

[00:14:08] I'm done.

[00:14:09] All right, guys.

[00:14:10] We will be back tomorrow.

[00:14:11] Let's see.

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