Jonah Chapter 4: Bible Study by Atheists

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[00:00:48] And Wife!

[00:00:49] Do you know what we're doing today?

[00:00:53] Well, we're catching up. So we're doing our second episode today.

[00:00:57] Which is gonna... well, what we did earlier today...

[00:01:00] Four minutes ago we finished recording the memory.

[00:01:02] Yeah, yeah, it was Jonah chapter 3.

[00:01:04] And in that chapter, Jonah had just been spit up by the fish, right?

[00:01:08] And God was like, hey dude, go to Nineveh.

[00:01:11] He's like, aight.

[00:01:12] Yeah, and so he did. He went to Nineveh.

[00:01:14] And he's like proclaiming shit as he's going about a third of the way through the city.

[00:01:18] And then the whole city puts on fucking sackcloth.

[00:01:20] And the king's like, hey, I'm putting on sackcloth.

[00:01:23] And then we're not gonna eat or drink anything.

[00:01:25] And the animals aren't gonna eat or drink anything.

[00:01:27] And then God was like, cool man, you guys did good.

[00:01:29] Yeah.

[00:01:30] And that was basically it.

[00:01:32] Which is completely unrealistic based on everything I've read in the Bible thus far.

[00:01:36] Facts.

[00:01:37] So I don't know what's going on, but it's weird shit.

[00:01:40] And so this prophet apparently has some extra super convincing people powers.

[00:01:46] I mean...

[00:01:46] I'm not really sure what's happening.

[00:01:47] He lived in a whale.

[00:01:49] What would...

[00:01:50] It doesn't get better than that.

[00:01:52] Yeah, yeah, something like that.

[00:01:53] So that was Jonah chapter 3.

[00:01:55] Sure as fuck was.

[00:01:56] Which means that right now we're doing...

[00:01:58] Jonah chapter 4 and finishing the book.

[00:02:02] Did I steal your thunder?

[00:02:03] Well, I just was making sure we said it.

[00:02:05] That's all.

[00:02:05] So yeah, we're finishing Jonah.

[00:02:07] That's another book of the Bible.

[00:02:10] It's been fun.

[00:02:11] We are so close to finishing the Old Testament.

[00:02:14] Yeah.

[00:02:14] It's crazy.

[00:02:15] It really is.

[00:02:16] This has been a journey.

[00:02:17] Yeah.

[00:02:18] And we're getting there.

[00:02:19] Like, we can literally see the light at the end of the tunnel.

[00:02:22] Yeah.

[00:02:22] This is crazy.

[00:02:23] So you ready to do this?

[00:02:25] I sure as fuck am.

[00:02:26] Alright, let's do it.

[00:02:27] Okie dokie.

[00:02:34] Alright, we're about to get into this.

[00:02:36] Jonah chapter 4.

[00:02:37] Alright.

[00:02:38] We're gonna finish it.

[00:02:39] We are.

[00:02:40] We're gonna end it.

[00:02:41] Yep.

[00:02:41] It's gonna be done.

[00:02:42] Okay, ready?

[00:02:43] I'm ready.

[00:02:44] Okay.

[00:02:45] Aw, but to Jonah, this seemed very wrong and he became angry.

[00:02:49] Wait, what?

[00:02:50] What?

[00:02:52] Fuck!

[00:02:52] They listened to me!

[00:02:53] What's going on?

[00:02:54] And God forgave them those bitches!

[00:02:56] God damn it!

[00:02:57] This isn't right!

[00:02:58] All the other prophets have all kinds of problems with these fuckers.

[00:03:01] Yeah, so he went praying to the Lord.

[00:03:03] He was like, this is unbelievable!

[00:03:04] It's too fucking easy, man!

[00:03:05] What's going on?

[00:03:06] Nobody's gonna believe this shit!

[00:03:07] Right?

[00:03:08] Yeah.

[00:03:08] And you know what, Jonah?

[00:03:09] We don't.

[00:03:09] You're right!

[00:03:10] Yeah, we don't believe it.

[00:03:12] I'm sorry!

[00:03:15] He prayed to the Lord,

[00:03:16] Isn't this what I said, Lord, when I was still at home?

[00:03:20] This is what I tried to forstall by fleeing to Tarshish!

[00:03:23] I knew that you were a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love.

[00:03:28] Oh, is that what he is?

[00:03:28] A God who relents from sending calamity.

[00:03:30] Oh!

[00:03:31] Is that what he is?

[00:03:32] Is that what you know?

[00:03:33] Shit!

[00:03:34] That's why you ran from him, huh?

[00:03:35] I don't think you got the whole story, asshole.

[00:03:37] I don't think he's being completely honest if I'm, you know, I'm just saying.

[00:03:42] Like, I don't think that's true.

[00:03:43] I don't understand what he's...

[00:03:44] Why would you run from a compassionate God that doesn't make any sense?

[00:03:47] Yeah.

[00:03:48] Go do a thing for the good!

[00:03:50] No!

[00:03:51] Right, yeah.

[00:03:52] What?

[00:03:52] That doesn't make any fucking sense.

[00:03:54] Oh, he's still talking, okay?

[00:03:55] Okay, alright.

[00:03:55] Jonah's praying and he's like,

[00:03:57] Now, Lord, take away my life for it is better for me to die than to live?

[00:04:01] Wait, what?

[00:04:02] I don't understand.

[00:04:03] What is happening here?

[00:04:04] I have no...

[00:04:05] I don't understand.

[00:04:06] He was in a fish.

[00:04:07] He fucking lived.

[00:04:08] He went to Nineveh.

[00:04:09] He did what God said.

[00:04:10] They listened to him.

[00:04:11] They did what he said God said to do.

[00:04:14] And now he's gonna take his life because he...

[00:04:16] Why?

[00:04:17] What is happening here?

[00:04:18] I did not fully understand.

[00:04:18] We got Q's and I'm gonna get me some A's.

[00:04:21] Yeah, right.

[00:04:22] Like, everything up till now was not really a question.

[00:04:24] It was just like, whatever, that's stupid.

[00:04:26] Yeah, well, this is really stupid.

[00:04:28] This is a question though.

[00:04:29] Yeah.

[00:04:29] This is not just whatever.

[00:04:31] Right.

[00:04:31] This is...

[00:04:32] I feel like this guy just is depressed or something.

[00:04:34] Right?

[00:04:34] I don't know what's going on here.

[00:04:36] Dude, do you need Xanax or Jack Daniels?

[00:04:38] I don't know, but...

[00:04:40] Okay, but the Lord replied.

[00:04:42] He was like...

[00:04:43] Yeah.

[00:04:44] Okay, listen, listen.

[00:04:46] He goes, is it right for you to be angry?

[00:04:49] What?

[00:04:51] When was he angry?

[00:04:52] What is he angry about?

[00:04:53] That's what the Lord's saying.

[00:04:55] He's like, Jonah, the fuck?

[00:04:56] Is it right for you to...

[00:04:57] You're telling me you want to die and shit.

[00:04:59] But is he angry at the fact that these people listened or that they were shitty and they got forgiven?

[00:05:03] Or what's he angry about?

[00:05:04] I don't really know.

[00:05:05] Maybe the ride and the fish wasn't as pleasant as he says.

[00:05:08] You know?

[00:05:08] I don't know.

[00:05:08] Or maybe it was more pleasant.

[00:05:11] All right, listen.

[00:05:12] Jonah had gone out and sat down at a place east of the city, you know, where the sun rises.

[00:05:18] Okay.

[00:05:19] Yeah.

[00:05:19] So, he's praying to Ra.

[00:05:23] Just kidding.

[00:05:24] Just kidding.

[00:05:25] There, he made himself a shelter, sat in its shade, and waited to see what would happen to the city.

[00:05:32] Okay.

[00:05:33] It's like he's mad that God forgave them.

[00:05:36] I guess.

[00:05:37] He's like, but they were bad.

[00:05:39] I'm not understanding what's happening here.

[00:05:41] I don't understand either.

[00:05:42] Yeah.

[00:05:42] Then, the Lord God provided a leafy plant.

[00:05:45] I wonder if it was the same kind of plant that Gilgamesh...

[00:05:50] In our special, we talked about how that inputinpupu, the guy that lived forever.

[00:05:55] Yeah.

[00:05:56] The immortal guy.

[00:05:57] Right.

[00:05:57] And he's like, hey Gilgamesh, there's a plant down there that'll help you be young.

[00:06:03] Go get it.

[00:06:03] Remember?

[00:06:04] I wonder if it's that one.

[00:06:06] Or maybe it's just weed or something.

[00:06:07] Or algae.

[00:06:08] Yeah.

[00:06:08] Yeah.

[00:06:09] Then, the Lord God provided a leafy plant and made it grow up over Jonah to give shade for his head to ease his discomfort.

[00:06:19] But he already built a shelter.

[00:06:20] Right?

[00:06:20] And he sat in it shade.

[00:06:22] He's like, here's some more shade on top of your shade.

[00:06:24] Yeah, that's okay.

[00:06:26] Fine.

[00:06:26] This is a weird story, right?

[00:06:28] This is a weird story.

[00:06:29] This is a weird story.

[00:06:38] Right?

[00:06:39] We gotta make something difficult here.

[00:06:40] Jonah, you're the problem.

[00:06:43] And Jonah was very happy about the plant.

[00:06:45] Well, I'm glad he's happy about it.

[00:06:46] That's good.

[00:06:47] You know what?

[00:06:47] Maybe it was weed.

[00:06:48] I think you're right.

[00:06:49] Right, yeah.

[00:06:49] But it dawned the next day, God provided a worm which chewed the plant so that it withered.

[00:06:56] What?

[00:06:57] This is so random.

[00:06:58] What is going on here?

[00:06:59] I wonder if a wild alligator will come eat the worm.

[00:07:02] Is this supposed to be like a metaphor for what's happening to Nineveh right now?

[00:07:06] Like, they agreed to capitulate to God and then as he went out to his shelter, they're

[00:07:11] like, you know what?

[00:07:11] No, we're gonna go back to our old ways as soon as he left town.

[00:07:13] I don't know.

[00:07:14] Okay.

[00:07:15] When the sun rose, God provided a scorching east wind and the sun blazed on Jonah's head

[00:07:21] so that he grew faint.

[00:07:22] He wanted to die and said, it would be better for me to die than to live.

[00:07:30] Ooh.

[00:07:31] He is depressed.

[00:07:32] Again, this is, yeah.

[00:07:33] But God said to Jonah, is it right for you to be angry about the plant?

[00:07:37] Yeah, because you did it!

[00:07:40] I think the point is, I think the point God's trying to make is, you didn't have the plant

[00:07:45] in the first place and I gave it to you.

[00:07:47] I can give and take away.

[00:07:48] Oh, I see.

[00:07:50] I give you a thing and I-

[00:07:51] I feel like there's some backstory here we're not getting about Jonah, right?

[00:07:54] Yeah.

[00:07:55] Like maybe something bad happened to him that he blamed God for.

[00:07:59] Yeah.

[00:07:59] And that's why he ran away.

[00:08:01] I feel like there's something missing pre-chapter one, but I also feel like there's something

[00:08:05] missing between three and four.

[00:08:08] Yeah.

[00:08:09] Because it's like what?

[00:08:09] I'm very confused as to what's happening here.

[00:08:11] Yeah, same, same.

[00:08:12] But I think that this is supposed to be an analogy for I can give something, but if I

[00:08:18] take it away, you don't get to be mad about it because it was never years in the-

[00:08:21] Right.

[00:08:21] You know what this reminds me of?

[00:08:23] Okay.

[00:08:23] Okay.

[00:08:23] This is a good analogy.

[00:08:26] Okay.

[00:08:26] Better than his stupid analogy.

[00:08:28] Okay.

[00:08:28] So there was this company, right?

[00:08:30] And the owner or president or whatever the fuck, he, every morning brought everybody

[00:08:36] coffee, right?

[00:08:38] Yeah.

[00:08:38] And he was very generous and he was like, everybody should have coffee.

[00:08:43] Well, some of the workers, like most people were like, yeah, that's cool.

[00:08:47] And some were like, I don't like coffee, but that's cool too.

[00:08:50] You know, whatever.

[00:08:51] Sure.

[00:08:51] I can bring my own water or pop from home.

[00:08:53] That's fine.

[00:08:53] Right.

[00:08:54] But there was like two or three people that were like, fuck you.

[00:08:57] If you're going to give coffee to them, you should give me something too.

[00:09:00] I'm owed.

[00:09:01] Right.

[00:09:02] If they can't have something that I can't have, that's not them.

[00:09:05] Right.

[00:09:05] Right.

[00:09:05] And so, um, the owner president guy.

[00:09:09] Yeah.

[00:09:10] He stopped bringing coffee cause he's like, well, I just won't.

[00:09:13] Yeah.

[00:09:13] Yeah.

[00:09:14] I won't bring it.

[00:09:14] You just killed it for everybody then.

[00:09:16] Right.

[00:09:16] And I think it was required to, I think he was told he had to.

[00:09:20] And I'm just like, okay, this is off topic.

[00:09:23] But I think that like, if that was me, I would be like, oh, then I will meet everybody

[00:09:29] outside and give you your coffee there off the fucking clock because I can give things

[00:09:33] to people if I want to.

[00:09:34] And I'm going to give this to you.

[00:09:36] If you don't want this gift, you can dump it on the ground.

[00:09:40] But my gift to you is not pop.

[00:09:43] Right.

[00:09:43] My gift to you.

[00:09:44] You don't get to pick your, this is not secret Santa.

[00:09:48] You know, you don't get to choose what I am freely giving to you out of my own pocket

[00:09:53] and then be mad that you don't like the, you know what you can do.

[00:09:56] You can fuck right off.

[00:09:58] Now it does matter kind of whether there was a business funds being used and or personal

[00:10:03] funds being used.

[00:10:04] Right.

[00:10:04] Somewhat.

[00:10:05] Okay.

[00:10:05] I'm just saying, but it's my understanding that it was out of his own pocket.

[00:10:09] And he just was like, sure.

[00:10:10] What?

[00:10:11] I just give coffee to everybody.

[00:10:12] Right.

[00:10:13] Right.

[00:10:13] What you do when you're rich and not an asshole.

[00:10:15] Sure.

[00:10:16] Or want to appear not to be an asshole anyway.

[00:10:17] Right.

[00:10:18] So I think that analogy though, of the, I didn't have to give you anything.

[00:10:23] You don't want it.

[00:10:24] I'll take it away.

[00:10:25] Right.

[00:10:25] I think that is the analogy that God is trying to make.

[00:10:29] Okay.

[00:10:29] Right.

[00:10:30] Well, I mean, based on what we've read of the Bible, I feel like God is like, I gave

[00:10:35] everything that the entire planet is mine to give or take away.

[00:10:40] Right.

[00:10:41] And you know, if I choose to take something away, it's not, it's not about you.

[00:10:44] Don't worry about it.

[00:10:45] I gave it to you in the first place.

[00:10:46] So it doesn't really, you're backing up what I said.

[00:10:48] Yeah.

[00:10:49] Yeah.

[00:10:49] Okay.

[00:10:51] So I thought that was really astute of me, by the way.

[00:10:53] Yeah.

[00:10:53] You should have said, that's an actual great analogy.

[00:10:56] Why?

[00:10:57] Great analogy wife.

[00:10:58] Okay.

[00:10:58] Cool.

[00:10:59] Thanks.

[00:10:59] Okay.

[00:11:00] Anyway, he goes, I'm so angry.

[00:11:02] I wish I were dead.

[00:11:02] But the Lord said, Oh wait, but God said to Jonah, is it right for you to be angry about

[00:11:07] the plant?

[00:11:09] It is.

[00:11:10] He said, and I'm so angry.

[00:11:11] I wish I were dead.

[00:11:12] What the fuck?

[00:11:13] But the Lord said, you have been concerned about this plant though.

[00:11:17] You did not tend it or make it grow.

[00:11:20] It's spring up overnight and died overnight.

[00:11:23] And should I not have concern for the great city of Nineveh in which there are more than

[00:11:27] 120,000 people who cannot tell their right hand from their left and also many animals.

[00:11:33] The end.

[00:11:34] This is it.

[00:11:36] That's it for Jonah.

[00:11:37] That's it for Jonah.

[00:11:37] Jonah.

[00:11:38] What a confusing fucking, like what is the point of this story?

[00:11:44] Um, but God, understand the Lord God is very forgiving and, but he doesn't have to be.

[00:11:51] And he's very, um, wonderful, but he doesn't have to be.

[00:11:56] And he's very generous, but he doesn't have to be.

[00:11:59] Well, I, the fact that Jonah went out of town to sit and see what happened in Nineveh.

[00:12:05] Right.

[00:12:05] It's like he was hoping.

[00:12:06] It's like he didn't trust what God was going to do.

[00:12:08] Well, he was, he was hoping that God would go ahead and bomb them anyway.

[00:12:11] I don't know what he was hoping for.

[00:12:13] But he's like, I'm just watching to see.

[00:12:15] He definitely had a suspicion is that, that what was said was going to happen wasn't what

[00:12:19] was going to happen.

[00:12:20] Right.

[00:12:20] Right.

[00:12:21] But he was, he also said that he was mad.

[00:12:25] So he was mad that God was sparing them or mad, maybe, or mad that the people repented

[00:12:30] so quickly.

[00:12:31] But that's what I'm not understanding.

[00:12:32] Yeah.

[00:12:32] What is he fucking mad about?

[00:12:34] What is he upset about?

[00:12:35] I don't get it to the point that he's going to take his own life.

[00:12:37] Apparently.

[00:12:37] Yeah, I don't, I don't get it.

[00:12:39] I don't either.

[00:12:40] I just did.

[00:12:41] I feel like, and maybe like, okay, there's a lot of dark things that happen in this, this

[00:12:45] book, right?

[00:12:46] Like he gets swallowed by a fish.

[00:12:47] He's running away from something.

[00:12:49] Yeah.

[00:12:50] He's, you know, like there's a lot of things that kind of portray him specifically not

[00:12:55] being in a great mental state.

[00:12:57] Yeah.

[00:12:57] Right.

[00:12:58] Like he's at a dark place.

[00:12:59] Yeah.

[00:12:59] But what the, what God is doing is all good things.

[00:13:02] Apparently.

[00:13:02] Right.

[00:13:03] He's saving him from the fish.

[00:13:04] He's, um, you know, chase, he's chasing after him.

[00:13:07] Right.

[00:13:07] Bring him back.

[00:13:08] And to personally explain to him, like, no, the rest of us get a personal explanation,

[00:13:12] but Jonah, the bad boy did.

[00:13:14] Yeah.

[00:13:14] Honestly, this just feels like a mental health, um, about Jonah's mental health.

[00:13:21] Yeah.

[00:13:21] More than anything else.

[00:13:23] Yeah.

[00:13:23] In my opinion.

[00:13:24] And here's another thing that I find very, um, uncomfortable is that I see what God's

[00:13:30] saying.

[00:13:30] I disagree with him, but I see what he's saying.

[00:13:33] Sure.

[00:13:33] Cause he's like, I didn't have to give you that.

[00:13:35] Just like the CEO.

[00:13:36] I didn't have to give you coffee.

[00:13:37] Right.

[00:13:38] If we're speaking from the point of God is real, right?

[00:13:40] Oh yeah.

[00:13:41] Obviously.

[00:13:41] God is real and God did give everything.

[00:13:43] Obviously.

[00:13:44] Then sure.

[00:13:44] I guess that conversation could make some sense.

[00:13:46] Right.

[00:13:46] In a way.

[00:13:47] Again, I disagree with him because we'll, but you're God.

[00:13:50] And more to the point, if he was real, I still think he's a dick.

[00:13:53] Well, yeah, so definitely.

[00:13:54] That's there's that.

[00:13:55] Yeah.

[00:13:56] For sure.

[00:13:58] But this was definitely going to need a Q and a slash wrap up.

[00:14:03] I have to tell you when I read that last sentence, I forgot it, that it was the last

[00:14:06] chapter.

[00:14:07] Yeah.

[00:14:07] When I was like, and cannot tell the right hand from their left and also many animals

[00:14:11] the end.

[00:14:12] And like, I was like, haha, I can't wait to see what happens.

[00:14:15] Nothing.

[00:14:15] Nothing fucking happens.

[00:14:16] And then he's like, that's it for Judah.

[00:14:18] And I was like, fuck me.

[00:14:19] It is.

[00:14:21] Like I forgot for a minute because it's just so like middle of the sentence basically.

[00:14:25] Right.

[00:14:26] But I mean, as far as I know about Nineveh, they seem to, I mean, they're like, oh shit.

[00:14:30] Right.

[00:14:31] We're going to.

[00:14:32] So good for them.

[00:14:32] They seem to know their left hand from the right hand.

[00:14:34] Yeah.

[00:14:34] Like, I guess, you know what?

[00:14:36] We're going to change our ways.

[00:14:37] And they did.

[00:14:37] Right.

[00:14:38] According to the Bible.

[00:14:39] Yeah.

[00:14:41] So I, this is what I'm not understanding.

[00:14:43] I'm like, what is, what is this chapter even?

[00:14:45] Oh, I have another comment to me.

[00:14:46] Okay.

[00:14:47] I did not know that people not knowing the right hand from their left.

[00:14:50] I didn't know that that phrase came from the Bible, much less Jonah.

[00:14:53] You know, I didn't either actually.

[00:14:55] Right.

[00:14:55] Yeah.

[00:14:56] Like that's kind of like, oh, okay.

[00:14:58] Yeah.

[00:14:59] All right.

[00:15:00] Well, that's, that's it for Jonah.

[00:15:03] That's Jonah.

[00:15:04] I mean, I told you I had more information, but I didn't realize that it was going to be

[00:15:09] like this.

[00:15:09] Right.

[00:15:10] I didn't either.

[00:15:12] Yeah.

[00:15:12] So anyway, I think we're going to endeavor to wrap up the rest of the Bible over the

[00:15:18] next, over the weekend.

[00:15:20] The Bible.

[00:15:20] Not the Bible.

[00:15:21] I'm sorry.

[00:15:21] The rest of Jonah, the rest of Jonah and the special episodes.

[00:15:24] Yeah.

[00:15:24] We're going to get right through it over the weekend.

[00:15:26] We've got two more episodes, I think, because we're going to do our wrap up Q and A as one.

[00:15:29] As one.

[00:15:30] And then we'll have our contradictions and pop quiz.

[00:15:33] Yes.

[00:15:33] You're always wrong.

[00:15:35] Right, right, right.

[00:15:36] And then I'll get the weekly replay out.

[00:15:38] And then we'll be back on Monday starting again with.

[00:15:42] Micah.

[00:15:43] Micah.

[00:15:43] Micah.

[00:15:44] Okay.

[00:15:44] If I'm not mistaken, there's only one chapter.

[00:15:48] Seriously.

[00:15:48] Yeah.

[00:15:49] Wow.

[00:15:49] These are really short.

[00:15:51] They're minor.

[00:15:51] Really short books.

[00:15:52] Oh, no, there's two.

[00:15:53] There's two.

[00:15:54] Hold on.

[00:15:54] I think there's four.

[00:15:56] We're counting them down here.

[00:15:57] We're going to go through them all.

[00:15:59] Oh, there's five.

[00:16:00] Shit.

[00:16:00] There's a lot.

[00:16:02] No, there's more than one.

[00:16:03] Yeah.

[00:16:04] There's definitely more than one of the other.

[00:16:05] I messed up.

[00:16:05] To continue to go.

[00:16:06] Okay, we're going to stop counting now.

[00:16:08] I'm going to stop counting.

[00:16:08] There's a few chapters.

[00:16:09] There's a few chapters.

[00:16:11] Of Micah.

[00:16:11] But there's less than 20.

[00:16:12] There's fewer than 20.

[00:16:13] Okay, sounds good.

[00:16:15] All right.

[00:16:15] Anyway, that's it for Jonah guys.

[00:16:17] That's it for Jonah.

[00:16:18] See ya.

[00:16:19] Oh, wait.

[00:16:20] There was six chapters.

[00:16:22] That's seven.

[00:16:23] That's seven.

[00:16:23] Oh, seven.

[00:16:24] Sorry.

[00:16:24] I'm on.

[00:16:25] I was looking at the back and forth button.

[00:16:27] No, there's seven chapters.

[00:16:28] Sorry.

[00:16:29] You're right.

[00:16:29] On Micah.

[00:16:30] Yeah.

[00:16:31] That was it for Jonah.