Lamentations Chapter 3: Bible Study BY Atheists

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[00:01:48] Do you remember what happened in the last episode and where the hell we are today well, we're in lamentation so it is

[00:01:55] Poet tree

[00:01:57] I like your poet dot dot dot tree. Yeah, but I mean last this last episode was all about the destruction of Jerusalem and

[00:02:06] shittiness and and and you know

[00:02:10] whatever they

[00:02:11] God God killed a lot of people in Jerusalem

[00:02:13] Whatever they

[00:02:15] God God killed a lot of people in Jerusalem and sent them out of their their city and destroyed the city and

[00:02:21] Stuff like that. So yeah, that was a

[00:02:24] Lamentations chapter 2 and he it with poetry. He left his footstool. Yeah, you're not a footstool anymore guys

[00:02:31] But man it was poetic

[00:02:34] That's a fact so that means that today we're getting into well that was lamentations chapter 2

[00:02:40] Today we're getting into lamentations chapter 3. All right, let's do this oki-doki

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[00:04:30] Alright, so now we are jumping into limitations chapter three. Okay. Here we go. All right. I am the man

[00:04:37] I'm the man you are the man damn the man damn the man

[00:04:40] Yeah, I am the man who has seen affliction by the rod of the Lord's wrath

[00:04:46] Man, why is he always gonna be afflicting you with his rod? I hate the Lord's rod

[00:04:52] It's not a good end. I mean that doesn't just say it all for the Bible though

[00:04:56] Yeah, like the male rod right right but like the the the male oriented

[00:05:03] way that the Bible portrays itself and

[00:05:05] Just the way they speak about things is so

[00:05:09] male yeah, and you know just men and

[00:05:13] dicks and penises and

[00:05:16] Falex and I'm just like come on guys rods and stuff

[00:05:21] Y'all fucking monkeys he has driven me away and made me walk in darkness rather than light

[00:05:28] Indeed he has turned his hand against me again and again all day long

[00:05:34] I'm sorry

[00:05:36] So sore all day long he was giving me that rod

[00:05:42] He has made my skin

[00:05:44] And my flesh grow old and has broken my bones

[00:05:56] He has besieged me and surrounded me with bitterness and hardship

[00:06:02] He has made me dwell in darkness like those long dead he has walled me in so I cannot escape

[00:06:10] He has weighed me down with chains

[00:06:14] Man he has made it to where I hate everything. He's made me fucking sad

[00:06:19] He's made sad sad sad hate hate dark dark sad, right? Yeah, okay. It's a lot of bad

[00:06:28] Even when I call out or cry for help

[00:06:31] Shut down my prayer damn it doesn't say that oh yeah, well I didn't figure it said it didn't say that yeah

[00:06:37] But he shut down my he shuts it down. Yeah

[00:06:41] He has barred my way with blocks of stone. He's made my paths crooked

[00:06:47] Mmm, you gotta stay on those straight paths, you know, but I can't cuz

[00:06:51] He made him crooked you cut through and still stay on straight, you know like could you cut across the grass?

[00:06:58] You guys stay on the road they have signs that say stay off the grass is that what the problem is probably okay

[00:07:03] Like a bear lying in wait like a lion in hiding

[00:07:06] He dragged me from the path and mangled me and left me without help

[00:07:12] I mean it's it's it's a thing, but what a dick. Yeah, I mean this he sounds mean

[00:07:18] He does he sounds like a really mean guy

[00:07:21] He's giving you the the he came on to let you say a prayer

[00:07:24] And then he's dragging you and mangling you from the path and I turn your shit up and things are dark

[00:07:29] And he's got his rod. So I mean, you know, he drew his bow and made me the target for his arrows

[00:07:36] Wow, I mean get a new God

[00:07:39] Imagining imagining them shooting air, you know the apple off their heads, right? Yeah

[00:07:45] He pierced my heart with arrows from his quiver

[00:07:48] I became the laughing stock of all my people. They mock me and song all day long

[00:07:55] Of course, we're talking about Jerusalem. Is it Jerusalem or is this Jeremiah? He's like no

[00:08:00] I think we're talking about Jerusalem. Oh

[00:08:02] Everybody's making fun of me now. It's too generic to be about a specific person

[00:08:06] I think this is Judah slash Jerusalem. All right. All right. I'll take your word for it

[00:08:11] You are the man after all I am the man damn the man

[00:08:14] He has filled me with bitter herbs and given me gall to drink

[00:08:18] He has broken my teeth with gravel. He has trampled me in the dust

[00:08:24] This is so depressing. It is like why would you ever even consider?

[00:08:29] Worshiping this God again like of all like the things that this

[00:08:33] God is doing to let's just assume that they're talking about the city

[00:08:38] But like to put it in these words

[00:08:40] You're you're you're seeing the destruction as this bad, right? Like this is how bad it is. Yeah, and yet

[00:08:47] You're gonna say in the end. You're gonna say we worship this God. Yep. So I just I question

[00:08:55] That amount of loyalty to someone who treats you like absolute shit, right? He fucks up my shit

[00:09:02] I love him so right. Yeah, I have been deprived of peace. I have forgotten what prosperity is

[00:09:08] So I say my splendor is gone and all that I had hoped from the Lord. I

[00:09:15] Remember my affliction and my wandering the bitterness and the gall. I remember them and my soul is downcast within me

[00:09:22] sigh, okay

[00:09:25] Yeah, this I call to mind and therefore I have hope

[00:09:31] Wait they're calling to mind all the shittiness that happened or the thing that's about there about say

[00:09:35] There's a colon so I'm assuming he's like but there's this thought I'm about to share with you

[00:09:39] That gives me hope right. Yes, even even in the midst of getting beat the fuck down, right?

[00:09:45] Because of the Lord's great love we are not consumed for his compassion never fail

[00:09:52] This is the same God that is mangling you right beating you with his rod

[00:09:57] I mean like what the fuck he doesn't hear my prayer, but he has great love and then

[00:10:04] His compassion's never fail except for like when they just did right right like how do you hold these two ideas in your head at

[00:10:11] The same time look I can hold opposing views in my head at the same time because I'm a complex person sure these

[00:10:19] Opposing views do not work, right?

[00:10:21] They don't he's a hateful violent vengeful petty jealous God and I love him so that doesn't work

[00:10:30] Yeah, yeah, so it sounds like you're as much the problem as he is

[00:10:34] Right, you know not to victim blame

[00:10:36] But I am gonna victim blame a little bit because you're trying to drag other people in with you right and change our laws

[00:10:42] According to you wish just like we should set up like a practice for people to come see us too

[00:10:48] So we can help them get over abusive gods. You know, right? I mean, I'm just saying yeah

[00:10:52] Like this is what's happening here, right? I want you to spell all of this out

[00:10:55] He's done these shitty things to me right, but I love him so I want you to just say that out loud

[00:11:02] Like if this was a human we would you know be urging you to get out of that toxic relationship

[00:11:08] 100% like I'm just imagining all these things that they're talking about with regard to how God treats them throughout the whole Old Testament

[00:11:16] Mm-hmm, and and you know specifically just now like in this chapter. Yeah, but I'm imagining this being a conversation about a

[00:11:26] Romantic partner that you have or whatever or father. Yeah, and the I

[00:11:31] Know without a doubt the therapist is going to want you to break away from that toxic relationship

[00:11:37] Yeah, or help you have the tools to figure out how to come to that conclusion

[00:11:43] Sure sure

[00:11:44] But it's not even a question when it comes to human and human like human interaction, right?

[00:11:48] Yeah

[00:11:49] The only time we question that idea is when it comes to the fucking God that no one can prove that doesn't

[00:11:55] Seem to talk to anybody right like this is the only exception is this this God that

[00:12:01] Just beats us the fuck down

[00:12:04] Mm-hmm, and then we still love it for whatever fucking reason. Yeah. Yeah doesn't work for me. I don't get it

[00:12:10] I don't either fucking get it. I don't either they are new every morning great as your faithfulness

[00:12:16] I say to myself the Lord is my portion therefore. I will wait for him

[00:12:22] Hmm, I don't really know what that means, but it sounds stupid

[00:12:25] I mean it sounds like you're gonna cower in darkness take the wrong path path while getting mangled and waiting on

[00:12:30] God to decide that he's not gonna do that to you anymore. Please love me again, sir

[00:12:34] Please please don't beat me. Please sir. I'm sorry sir. Please please love me, right?

[00:12:40] The Lord is good to those whose hope is in him. No, it's not he's not he's not good to you

[00:12:47] Right to the one who seeks him

[00:12:50] No, he's not it is good to wait quietly for the salvation of the Lord

[00:12:55] Don't want to raise a ruckus or ask any questions. He's just hush right

[00:12:59] It is good for a man to bear the yoke while he is young is it?

[00:13:04] Hmm is it though? Okay, let him sit alone in silence for the Lord has lighted on them

[00:13:11] Light on me Lord. I mean this this seems like a good

[00:13:15] like

[00:13:17] Way that they would allow for corporal punishment and you know things like that

[00:13:21] Yeah, because it's they're like you need to be you know beaten down in order to appreciate the love that you're getting from this

[00:13:29] God, right? So yeah, let him bury his face in the dust there may yet be help there may

[00:13:36] That's the that's why I'm not but there may let him bury his face in the dust there may yet be hope right what?

[00:13:44] Like that doesn't know no

[00:13:46] No, let him offer his cheek to one who would strike him and let him be filled with disgrace

[00:13:54] Okay, you you I'm gonna pass on that you first for no one is cast off by the Lord forever

[00:14:02] No, that's not exactly true though just for several generations

[00:14:06] But right. Yeah, I mean that if we're saying no one is in like the entire

[00:14:12] Realm of history, maybe he did love a couple of people over time according to the Bible

[00:14:17] Right, but generally he is fucked over a lot of people to yeah. Yes, so though he brings grief

[00:14:23] He will show compassion so great as his unfailing love

[00:14:27] You say so right for he does not willingly bring affliction or grief to anyone

[00:14:32] I call bullshit on that he

[00:14:35] Willingly get the fuck out of here. In fact, I think that we read parts where he actually enjoys it

[00:14:42] Yeah, yeah to crush underfoot all prisoners in the land to deny people their rights before the most high

[00:14:50] To provide to deprive them of justice would not the Lord see such things

[00:14:55] I mean, I would assume if he is a God that a God would see such things

[00:15:01] Mm-hmm

[00:15:03] But chooses still not to do anything about them for whatever fucked up stupid reason that he has

[00:15:09] This chapter is why not only don't I believe in God, but why actually I cannot believe right? Yeah

[00:15:15] No, this is bullshit. I hate this chapter FYI. You didn't know no. I mean, you know why I

[00:15:21] Feel like we say this sorry guys

[00:15:23] I feel like we say this every time but like this book started off with a lot of promise

[00:15:29] Did it and it's going down fucking hill

[00:15:33] Who can speak and have it happen if the Lord has not decreed it? It is not from the mouth of the most high

[00:15:40] I'm sorry. Let me start over is it not from the mouth of the most high that both calamities and good things come

[00:15:48] That's what they would have us believe. Yes, good and bad things do happen

[00:15:52] Right, but not because of a fucking God, right?

[00:15:55] Why should the living complain when punished for their sins?

[00:15:59] Because I get to be the judge of that motherfucker not to you, right?

[00:16:03] Let us examine our ways and test them and let us return to the Lord. No, thanks

[00:16:08] Let us lift up our hearts and our hands to God in heaven and say

[00:16:13] Okay, ready. I'm ready what we're supposed to say. Okay. Yeah, this is the prayer

[00:16:16] We should pray. Oh, okay

[00:16:18] We have sinned and rebelled and you have not forgiven you have covered yourself with anger and pursued us

[00:16:25] You have slain without pity

[00:16:27] You have covered yourself with a cloud so that no prayer can get through you have made a scum and refuse among the nations

[00:16:35] All our enemies have opened their mouths wide against us. We have suffered terror and pitfalls

[00:16:42] ruin and destruction

[00:16:44] Streams of tears flow from my eyes because my people are destroyed

[00:16:48] My oh, we're done quoting the things that's what we're supposed to say to God. Yeah, we're supposed to say we have

[00:16:53] Hey, you're being a dick. Yeah, that's basically all those things. Yeah, okay

[00:16:58] Okay, now now we're back to whoever is saying this shit. Yeah. Yeah supposedly Jeremiah or Jerusalem

[00:17:04] Streams of tears flow from my eyes because my people are destroyed

[00:17:08] My eyes will flow

[00:17:10] Unceasingly without relief until the Lord looks down from heaven and sees

[00:17:15] What I see brings grief to my soul because of all the women in my city

[00:17:20] Those who were my enemies without cause hunted me like a bird

[00:17:25] They tried to end my life in a pit and through stones at me now

[00:17:29] You know what this does sound like this was written by Jeremiah

[00:17:32] Because this is actually referencing things that happened to him. Yeah, he's like this is socks

[00:17:37] This is bullshit. Right. I hate this people people were mad at me

[00:17:41] This sounds much more like Jeremiah. Yeah, the waters closed over my head and I thought I was about to perish

[00:17:46] I called on your name Lord from the depths of the pit. You heard my plea

[00:17:52] Do not close your ears to my cry for relief

[00:17:55] You came near when I called you and you said do not fear

[00:17:59] You Lord took up my case. You redeemed my life

[00:18:03] Lord, you have seen the wrong done to me uphold my cause

[00:18:07] You have seen the depth of their vengeance all their plots against me Lord

[00:18:12] You have heard their insults all their plots against me what my enemies whisper and mutter against me all day long

[00:18:19] Look at them sitting or standing. They mock me in their songs

[00:18:23] Pay them back what they deserve Lord for what their hands have done. This is definitely written by Jeremiah

[00:18:29] Yeah, because he's this is total. This is exactly what was happening

[00:18:33] Those being used early on by Jeremiah

[00:18:36] Yes, yes put a veil over their hearts and may your curse beyond them

[00:18:41] Pursue them in anger and destroy them from under the heavens of the Lord the and wow

[00:18:47] It's it we commented on this throughout Jeremiah

[00:18:50] But like it must be nice to have a God that you can use as a personal vengeance tool, right?

[00:18:55] You know not that like I don't blame him

[00:18:57] I mean like I might make such a prayer from the pit sure

[00:19:01] If I'm about to die in a fucking my enemy type thing. Yeah, yeah, sure

[00:19:05] Oh, you gonna get it right? I have if I get out of here y'all better run, right? Yeah, yeah

[00:19:11] I might make similar but I don't know about that whole asking God get him God, right

[00:19:18] Yeah, that's a little bit different

[00:19:20] And he's writing this from the perspective of he's in a pit ready to die

[00:19:25] And you know he's talking about all this shittiness that's happening

[00:19:29] Mm-hmm, and of course you almost died because people didn't like you man. Yeah, so whatever but also let's look at why

[00:19:36] Right, yeah double agent and you were talking shit, right?

[00:19:40] And you were all you were called out on that double agent ship more than once

[00:19:43] Yeah, they did tell you stop and then you kept going and they were like oh

[00:19:48] Okay, we're gonna put you in a pit now

[00:19:51] Well, you remember yeah, they called him out in a then but they also called him out on it after the fall of Jerusalem

[00:19:57] To yeah, like there was multiple times multiple times he was called out on that stuff

[00:20:01] I mean early on they put them in that stockade. That was like a torture device

[00:20:05] But even before that they were like you need to shut the fuck up. Yeah, and he was like nah, right?

[00:20:11] So I mean

[00:20:13] Yes, we're the people like mean to him. Yes

[00:20:17] Um

[00:20:18] Did he deserve like the amount of pain and angst that came against him?

[00:20:24] questionable like probably not right but

[00:20:28] Is it you know expected absolutely? I feel like this was a little bit out of place. Well

[00:20:34] Lamentations is only five chapters. So yeah, I don't want to say it's out of place, but it feels

[00:20:39] Not in the same vein as the first chapter

[00:20:42] Yeah, the first chapter for sure was like this is sadness and you know

[00:20:47] We as a as a people are mourning the loss of our city right and the loss of our birthright

[00:20:52] Well, I just assumed when we started this chapter that we were reading this from the perspective of Jerusalem

[00:20:58] But it was Jeremiah. It was Jeremiah. So yeah, that's interesting. Mm-hmm. All right

[00:21:03] Well, that was Lamentations chapter three sure as fuck was which means that we'll be back tomorrow with

[00:21:10] Lamentations chapter four. All right, we'll see you then bye

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