Lamentations Chapter 5: Bible Study BY Atheists

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[00:01:52] Um, do you remember where the hell we are and how the hell we got here?

[00:01:55] Uh, yeah, we just got done reading Lamentations Chapter 4.

[00:02:00] Sure as fuck did.

[00:02:01] And in that chapter it was pretty horrific.

[00:02:04] It was disturbing.

[00:02:06] They were talking about the famine and eating children and just all kinds of horrible shit.

[00:02:11] The imagery was real.

[00:02:13] Yeah, no, it was not good.

[00:02:15] And we got to the end of it and it seems like they were like,

[00:02:19] yeah, you eat a mitz or laugh at us but you're gonna get yours.

[00:02:22] And so that was basically Lamentations Chapter 4.

[00:02:26] Which means that today we're getting into...

[00:02:28] Lamentations Chapter 5.

[00:02:30] Which ends Lamentations.

[00:02:32] It does and that'll be another book done you guys.

[00:02:36] I mean, how wow, like this is...

[00:02:38] It's crazy we come across these short books where we're just like,

[00:02:40] we're done in like no time.

[00:02:42] And we get to mark it off.

[00:02:43] Yeah.

[00:02:44] Like a whole entire book.

[00:02:46] It counts.

[00:02:47] Right.

[00:02:47] Yeah.

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[00:04:35] All right, here we are jumping into the last chapter of Lamentations.

[00:04:40] Chapter five.

[00:04:41] Yeah.

[00:04:42] Are you ready?

[00:04:43] I'm ready.

[00:04:44] Yeah.

[00:04:44] Remember.

[00:04:45] Remembering.

[00:04:46] Lord, what has happened to us?

[00:04:48] Look and see our disgrace.

[00:04:50] Okay Lord?

[00:04:51] I mean he's the one that caused it.

[00:04:53] Does he really have to look?

[00:04:54] Hey look Lord, I'm ugly.

[00:04:56] Whee!

[00:04:57] I mean, it sounds like that's what they're saying.

[00:05:00] I guess.

[00:05:01] Hey Lord, remember how we suck?

[00:05:03] And you did all these bad things to us?

[00:05:05] Remember?

[00:05:06] Remember?

[00:05:06] Yeah.

[00:05:07] Yeah.

[00:05:08] Our inheritance has been turned over to strangers, our homes to foreigners.

[00:05:13] I thought their homes were burnt up and crushed but okay.

[00:05:15] I mean it depends on which point they're talking about so yeah.

[00:05:18] That's true.

[00:05:19] We have become fatherless.

[00:05:21] Our mothers are widows.

[00:05:23] We must buy the water we drink.

[00:05:25] Our wood can be had only at a price.

[00:05:28] No, we always buy the water we drink.

[00:05:30] I know, I was just thinking that like that's interesting to think that like they used

[00:05:34] to just get their water.

[00:05:37] Yeah.

[00:05:37] Yeah.

[00:05:38] It reminds me when my dad was in the military, we were stationed overseas in southern Italy.

[00:05:44] And when we lived off base there was a fountain down at the end of the street

[00:05:48] and we would just take our giant like receptacles, like giant tub things

[00:05:54] and we would go get water.

[00:05:56] Go get water.

[00:05:57] I mean we had to boil it.

[00:05:59] Yeah.

[00:05:59] Like when we got home.

[00:06:00] So you didn't have running water?

[00:06:01] No, we had running water but to drink it, like for drinking and cooking water.

[00:06:06] We would go get it from this giant fountain.

[00:06:09] I see.

[00:06:09] Yeah.

[00:06:10] Interesting.

[00:06:10] It was like a, it had a faucet.

[00:06:13] Like it wasn't really a fountain.

[00:06:15] It was a giant freshwater fountain.

[00:06:18] Got it.

[00:06:18] That had a faucet on it.

[00:06:21] Okay.

[00:06:21] But I remember one winter this one guy that I went to school with, his name was Lewis.

[00:06:29] He turned the faucet to spray up and then he turned it on and so it did freeze.

[00:06:36] Like the water coming out of it frozen in the arch.

[00:06:39] Oh wow.

[00:06:39] Yeah.

[00:06:40] And we all hated him a little bit.

[00:06:42] Yeah.

[00:06:42] That day.

[00:06:43] Right.

[00:06:43] But he was always doing shit like that.

[00:06:45] That was fun.

[00:06:46] Okay.

[00:06:47] Anyway, yeah.

[00:06:48] So they have to pay for water now.

[00:06:50] Yeah.

[00:06:50] Okay.

[00:06:51] Just like we do.

[00:06:52] Right.

[00:06:52] They have to buy wood just like we do.

[00:06:54] Yeah.

[00:06:54] Yeah.

[00:06:55] We must buy the water we drink.

[00:06:57] Our wood can be had only at a price.

[00:07:00] Those who pursue us are at our heels.

[00:07:04] We are weary and find no rest.

[00:07:06] We submitted to Egypt and to Syria to get enough bread.

[00:07:10] Yeah.

[00:07:11] I mean when you get to take it over, I guess, and you're running away.

[00:07:14] That's what you gotta do.

[00:07:15] You gotta do that.

[00:07:15] Yeah.

[00:07:16] You go get what you can get.

[00:07:18] Probably you can get it.

[00:07:19] Right.

[00:07:19] Yeah.

[00:07:20] Our ancestors sinned and are no more and we bear their punishment.

[00:07:25] I mean, you were punished for their sins but also for yours.

[00:07:31] Like you did the Asherah polls too.

[00:07:33] Come on.

[00:07:34] I'm sure I guess.

[00:07:35] I mean if we're going with the you're being punished by God.

[00:07:38] Right.

[00:07:39] You did bad too.

[00:07:40] Come on.

[00:07:41] Don't be blaming grandpa.

[00:07:42] Right.

[00:07:44] The slaves rule over us and there is no one to free us from their

[00:07:48] hands.

[00:07:49] We get our bread at the risk of our lives because of the sword in

[00:07:53] the desert, the sword in the desert.

[00:07:55] That's really good.

[00:07:57] Yeah.

[00:07:57] I like that imagery.

[00:07:58] Yeah.

[00:07:59] Our skin is as hot as an oven feverish from hunger.

[00:08:04] Women have been violated in Zion and virgins in the towns of

[00:08:08] Judah.

[00:08:09] That tracks men are gross.

[00:08:10] Yeah.

[00:08:11] Princes have been hung up by their hands.

[00:08:14] Elders are shown no respect.

[00:08:16] I mean lack of respect is not the same as hung by your hands

[00:08:22] versus raped.

[00:08:23] Right.

[00:08:23] Yeah.

[00:08:24] The no respect thing because kind of low on the list.

[00:08:26] Yeah.

[00:08:27] Yeah.

[00:08:27] What would they mean to you?

[00:08:28] Right.

[00:08:29] Yeah.

[00:08:29] Aw.

[00:08:30] Well, as usual, you know, men are like.

[00:08:34] It could be worse.

[00:08:34] But I'm the victim.

[00:08:36] Yeah.

[00:08:37] Young men toil at the millstones but you weren't

[00:08:41] hung by your hands or raped.

[00:08:42] Right.

[00:08:43] So.

[00:08:43] Well, I'm like, look, none of this is good.

[00:08:45] None of this is good.

[00:08:47] But like when you're telling me the worst of the worst,

[00:08:50] then I'm like, oh, you got to live and work.

[00:08:52] You can't compare those things.

[00:08:54] Right.

[00:08:54] You can't put them in the same paragraph as doesn't

[00:08:56] this all suck?

[00:08:57] Right.

[00:08:57] I mean some tortures are worse than others.

[00:09:00] Yes.

[00:09:00] Sorry.

[00:09:01] Yes.

[00:09:02] Boys stagger under loads of wood.

[00:09:05] The elders are gone from the city gate.

[00:09:07] The young men have stopped their music.

[00:09:10] They stop playing their music.

[00:09:11] Yeah.

[00:09:12] I'm sorry at them.

[00:09:13] Yeah.

[00:09:14] Joy has gone from our hearts.

[00:09:16] Our dancing has turned to mourning.

[00:09:19] The crown has fallen from our head.

[00:09:21] Woe to us for we have sinned.

[00:09:24] How about woe to you for either God turned against you

[00:09:28] or yep, you got taken over?

[00:09:31] Yeah.

[00:09:31] You got conquered by another people.

[00:09:33] And it sucks.

[00:09:34] I hate that for you.

[00:09:35] Who are not treating you correctly and they're being

[00:09:36] assholes at you and.

[00:09:37] Yeah.

[00:09:38] It yeah, it sucks for you.

[00:09:39] But it's nothing to do with God.

[00:09:42] If your God did have something to do with this,

[00:09:43] then you should have an issue with your God.

[00:09:46] Saying woe to us for we have sinned like what kind of

[00:09:50] self-hatred do you have that you would blame yourself?

[00:09:52] Right.

[00:09:53] Instead of your God or the people that conquered you.

[00:09:57] Yeah.

[00:09:58] Like no, no, no amount of sin deserves that.

[00:10:02] Sorry.

[00:10:03] Right.

[00:10:03] Because of this our hearts are faint because of these

[00:10:07] things our eyes grow dim for Mount Zion which lies

[00:10:11] desolate with jackals prowling over it.

[00:10:15] You Lord reign forever your throne and jurors from

[00:10:18] generation to generation.

[00:10:20] Why do you always forget us?

[00:10:22] I pick me.

[00:10:23] I have the answer.

[00:10:24] I know.

[00:10:25] Right.

[00:10:26] Why do you always forget us?

[00:10:27] Why do you forsake us so long?

[00:10:30] Restore us to yourself Lord that we may return renew

[00:10:34] our days as of old unless you have utterly rejected us

[00:10:38] and are angry with us beyond measure.

[00:10:40] The end.

[00:10:41] Got it.

[00:10:42] Well, I think the only thing I really have to add to

[00:10:45] this is that I feel like the constant attributing of all

[00:10:50] this to their God Yahweh is that it's a way to hold

[00:10:55] their identity together as a people right?

[00:10:59] Like I mean, you're in other lands.

[00:11:02] You've been scattered to the winds right?

[00:11:04] And this is the only way that you can hold on to some

[00:11:08] semblance of your of what you used to be.

[00:11:10] Is this God that you know is obviously not doing right

[00:11:15] by you at the moment.

[00:11:17] But it's still your God and those people that are around

[00:11:19] you that's their God too, right?

[00:11:21] Yeah.

[00:11:21] So it's their way to coalesce around an idea that

[00:11:25] is that embodies what Israel and Judah is, you know.

[00:11:29] So I could understand like let's all gather round and, you

[00:11:35] know, collectively remember our God.

[00:11:38] I can't understand.

[00:11:40] We suck so fucking hard.

[00:11:42] We fucked up and that we did this to ourselves like that.

[00:11:46] I can't understand.

[00:11:47] But that seems to be a constant theme throughout the old

[00:11:49] Testament, right?

[00:11:50] I mean, we're not the first time that we've run into

[00:11:52] that there's constantly when when people are not having

[00:11:56] things go their way.

[00:11:57] They're constantly blaming themselves or higher higher

[00:12:02] ups in the priesthood or whatever the fuck the case is.

[00:12:04] Right.

[00:12:05] But they're constantly blaming the people for those bad

[00:12:07] things.

[00:12:08] So it's it's it's taking self responsibility all wrong.

[00:12:14] Yeah, you know what I mean?

[00:12:16] Like be responsible for your actions.

[00:12:18] Yes.

[00:12:18] And you know, more than you fucked up and long to do

[00:12:24] better.

[00:12:25] But not like it's so generic, right?

[00:12:28] You know this oh we sinned were horrible people.

[00:12:32] We did rotten like no that's not what self responsibility

[00:12:37] means you're doing it wrong.

[00:12:39] Right.

[00:12:40] I do have to say one more thing and that's that my

[00:12:43] take on the book of Lamentations is that it's

[00:12:45] crap.

[00:12:47] Oh, I agree with you on that the first chapter started

[00:12:50] nice.

[00:12:51] I like that poetry.

[00:12:52] Yeah.

[00:12:52] It was dark.

[00:12:53] It was well written.

[00:12:55] But it's just a lot of self hate like we just got done

[00:12:58] talking about this is the whole book is just nothing

[00:13:00] but like they're angry that they didn't live up to

[00:13:04] their God standards, but their God's answer to that

[00:13:06] was to destroy them completely right and utterly

[00:13:11] you know, like it was just it was an awful

[00:13:14] series of chapters like this was an awful book.

[00:13:17] Yeah.

[00:13:18] I don't know what else to say about it, but I mean

[00:13:20] we do have our wrap up coming up probably tomorrow

[00:13:25] and then we're going to be doing our I guess

[00:13:27] contradictions right if there are any if there are

[00:13:30] any yeah.

[00:13:31] So we still got so little bit of talking left to do

[00:13:33] about this we didn't do as much research in the

[00:13:36] middle of this book this time because there was only

[00:13:38] five chapters right right.

[00:13:40] So we'll get into that over the weekend.

[00:13:43] You have anything else you wanted to add.

[00:13:45] I didn't love it.

[00:13:46] That's all right.

[00:13:47] That's yeah.

[00:13:48] Yeah, I think that's that I think that's

[00:13:49] an consensus at least here.

[00:13:51] So all right well that was Lamentations chapter

[00:13:54] five and that was Lamentations as a whole and we will

[00:13:57] be back tomorrow with the wrap up.

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