Lamentations Wrap Up: Bible Study BY Atheists

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[00:01:52] Do you know where the hell we are?

[00:01:54] Well, we just finished with Lamentations.

[00:01:57] We did.

[00:01:58] And so that means that today we're probably getting into the...

[00:02:02] Wrap up!

[00:02:04] Yeah, so we're gonna be going over the entire book of Lamentations.

[00:02:09] The whole five chapters.

[00:02:10] And we're kind of wrapping together in our Wrap Up the Q&A and the Wrap Up because obviously it's only five chapters, so...

[00:02:18] I also have a pop quiz for you.

[00:02:19] Oh, okay.

[00:02:20] How many questions are in this pop quiz?

[00:02:22] Eleven!

[00:02:23] That makes me happier.

[00:02:25] I would prefer ten or less.

[00:02:27] But eleven is definitely closer to that number.

[00:02:31] Yes.

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[00:04:20] Alright, let's do lamentations.

[00:04:22] Let's do them.

[00:04:23] Lament, I'm lamenting.

[00:04:27] I mean...

[00:04:28] That's lamentation.

[00:04:29] Yeah, there was some sad shit to lament actually.

[00:04:31] There was.

[00:04:32] There was.

[00:04:33] So the Book of Lamentations is a collection of poetic laments that express the humiliation,

[00:04:41] suffering and despair of Jerusalem and her people.

[00:04:44] It left out the bitching by Jeremiah about his state of affairs and how he wanted to

[00:04:49] use God for retribution though.

[00:04:51] Right, also that.

[00:04:54] For Jerusalem and her people following the destruction of the city by the Babylonians

[00:04:58] in 587-586 BCE.

[00:05:03] Now, most critics place the composition, meaning the writing thereof of the book before the

[00:05:10] return of the Jews from exile in 537-536 BCE.

[00:05:16] Okay, the whole book or is there some...

[00:05:19] Like that one chapter felt like it was maybe written by Jeremiah.

[00:05:23] Well, we'll get there in a second here.

[00:05:26] Certain passages appear to be word pictures by an eyewitness and that's what would

[00:05:31] have been written shortly after the destruction of Jerusalem.

[00:05:35] Okay.

[00:05:36] So, like during and then like right there.

[00:05:40] Sure.

[00:05:41] Okay.

[00:05:42] The prophet Jeremiah as we know is the traditional author because he's a weepy little bitch.

[00:05:47] However, Lamentations was more likely written for public rituals commemorating the destruction

[00:05:54] of the city of Jerusalem and its temple.

[00:05:57] And that tracks, that makes some sense, especially the first chapter.

[00:06:00] Yeah.

[00:06:01] Well, it's unlikely that his writing style was very spontaneous and natural, kind of grumbly.

[00:06:09] Right.

[00:06:10] And putting that with his earlier word choice early on, putting that match to the poetic

[00:06:19] form, it's complicated and artificial.

[00:06:23] And that is just not very likely.

[00:06:27] Like, right.

[00:06:28] Yeah.

[00:06:29] His chapters in the book that he's supposed to have written with him and Baruch and whoever

[00:06:35] else his little scribes were after.

[00:06:37] Yeah.

[00:06:38] It was not a diary per se, but it was written well enough.

[00:06:46] But the book of Lamentations was not the same.

[00:06:50] No.

[00:06:51] As we pointed out while we were reading it.

[00:06:53] Right.

[00:06:54] So, it was definitely not him.

[00:06:58] But it was, I mean they did, if it was written completely by somebody other than Jeremiah and

[00:07:02] Baruch, then there was that, it was chapter three or four, I can't remember which one

[00:07:06] it was.

[00:07:07] But they were talking about how he wanted the retribution on people.

[00:07:10] That was reminiscent.

[00:07:12] That was very reminiscent of Jeremiah.

[00:07:14] Yeah.

[00:07:15] I believe that was chapter four.

[00:07:16] I felt like that was either written by Jeremiah or Baruch or somebody that was really

[00:07:22] versed in Jeremiah's teachings would have written that.

[00:07:26] But it felt personal.

[00:07:28] So I feel like maybe they threw one little bone in there that might be by Jeremiah possibly.

[00:07:33] Maybe he contributed via some scraps that other people picked up and were like, we should

[00:07:40] really, since we're going to attribute this to him.

[00:07:42] We should throw something in by him.

[00:07:43] Yeah.

[00:07:44] Give him a bone.

[00:07:45] Right.

[00:07:46] It's probable that the laments were the product of more than one poet.

[00:07:49] Okay.

[00:07:50] Not just writers, scribes, but actual poets.

[00:07:55] And that makes sense too because it didn't really feel the same all the way through either.

[00:08:00] It felt different from Jeremiah, but it didn't feel the same.

[00:08:02] It felt different in and of itself too, even from chapter to chapter.

[00:08:07] So as far back as tradition reaches, Lamentations has been read on Tisha Ba'av, which we

[00:08:13] have talked about.

[00:08:14] Sure.

[00:08:15] Where they commemorate and observe the end of Jerusalem having been sacked as well as

[00:08:24] the smashing of the second temple later, which apparently happened on the same day.

[00:08:30] Got it.

[00:08:31] Yeah.

[00:08:32] It's known as one of the worst days in Jewish history or something like that.

[00:08:35] Yeah.

[00:08:36] So it's not unreasonable to assume that this was intended for this purpose from

[00:08:41] the first, which we have kind of discussed that they, the poets wrote that, attributed

[00:08:48] it to Jeremiah, but wrote it specifically with the intent that it would be read before

[00:08:55] crowds.

[00:08:56] Yeah.

[00:08:57] Toward that end, the first four of the five poems speaking of it being too nuanced

[00:09:04] and complex for him to have put together given his writing style.

[00:09:08] Right.

[00:09:09] So the five poems are written as a cross stitch, which we had talked about that the

[00:09:13] 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet are used in succession to begin the lines and sections

[00:09:19] of those songs.

[00:09:20] Yeah.

[00:09:21] And then the fifth chapter is not, however, it does have 22 lines, which is how many

[00:09:28] letters are in the Hebrew alphabet.

[00:09:31] Interesting.

[00:09:32] Yeah.

[00:09:33] Maybe they have, that's interesting.

[00:09:35] We didn't write it that way because it was the last chapter was different from the other

[00:09:42] chapters and was more about the finality.

[00:09:45] Okay.

[00:09:46] So it was done on purpose, it's believed.

[00:09:49] Okay.

[00:09:50] All right.

[00:09:51] Yep.

[00:09:52] The formal structure served as a mnemonic device and was likely meant to convey

[00:09:56] Israel's total grief, its penitence and ultimately its hope.

[00:10:01] Got it.

[00:10:02] So.

[00:10:03] I didn't find a whole lot of hope in this, but.

[00:10:05] I didn't either, but it was mostly lamenting.

[00:10:09] There was a little bit at the end of one of the chapters that was like, you know, and

[00:10:14] hopefully he got to love us again.

[00:10:16] I felt like the most hopeful chapter was probably chapter one actually.

[00:10:19] Yeah.

[00:10:20] Like that one, that one had some beauty in it and some, you know, it was okay.

[00:10:24] Yeah.

[00:10:25] I didn't mind chapter one.

[00:10:26] Yeah.

[00:10:27] But whatever.

[00:10:28] That was my favorite one.

[00:10:29] But I'm gonna, yeah, same.

[00:10:31] I'm going to reread this little bit.

[00:10:33] We read this in the beginning, but I think it bears repeating just because we're talking

[00:10:38] about how they attributed it to Jeremiah.

[00:10:40] Sure.

[00:10:41] And that's because the original text was written in Hebrew, but in the Greek, all the various

[00:10:48] translations thereof like the Septuagint and its others.

[00:10:53] They have this extra little intro bit and it came to pass after Israel had been

[00:10:58] carried away captive and Jerusalem has was become desolate that Jeremiah sat weeping.

[00:11:06] And he lamented with this lamentation over Jerusalem and he said, and then it goes into the first

[00:11:12] just to give it a preface like it's yeah, Jeremiah did this.

[00:11:16] Yes, exactly.

[00:11:17] Exactly.

[00:11:18] So now I have a few notes from a couple of the chapters just as part of our Q and

[00:11:25] A. Okay.

[00:11:26] So that was kind of the wrap up.

[00:11:27] This is a little bit of Q and A for you.

[00:11:29] Yeah.

[00:11:30] Okay, so in chapter one it talks about his footstool.

[00:11:33] Right.

[00:11:34] And how Jerusalem was no longer his footstool.

[00:11:36] And that has been something that he has alluded to before.

[00:11:40] He's mentioned the earth is his footstool.

[00:11:43] He's mentioned that his people are his footstool.

[00:11:46] And so there's a question about what specifically he means.

[00:11:51] It can be one of two things specifically.

[00:11:54] Okay.

[00:11:55] God is either referring to the house of the sanctuary, which would be the temple itself,

[00:12:02] which contained to the Ark of the Covenant as mentioned in First Chronicles and One of

[00:12:07] the Psalms.

[00:12:08] Right.

[00:12:09] Or it could have been the Ark of the Covenant as mentioned in one of the Psalms with

[00:12:14] the mercy seat on which sat the Shekinah or Divine Majesty.

[00:12:21] Okay.

[00:12:22] That's where he set his feet when sitting between the cherubim that were on top of the

[00:12:27] Ark and that was in First Chronicles.

[00:12:29] And I'm going to tell you what a Shekinah is or a Shekinah, I'm not sure how it's

[00:12:33] pronounced.

[00:12:34] Okay.

[00:12:35] Okay, that refers to a dwelling or settling in a special sense, a dwelling or settling

[00:12:42] of the Divine presence to the effect that while in proximity to the Shekinah,

[00:12:49] the connection to God is more readily perceivable.

[00:12:52] So we're almost talking about an idol here because it's like another word for that because

[00:13:00] it's saying that this thing that we're not calling an idol has a special place for the

[00:13:07] presence of God to be felt.

[00:13:10] And we kind of talked about the Ark being an idol at one point too.

[00:13:12] Yes.

[00:13:13] Like I mean just between you and I.

[00:13:14] That they carried their God with them.

[00:13:15] Yeah.

[00:13:16] And it was, yeah.

[00:13:18] So that makes sense.

[00:13:20] So to me that word is just another word for idol.

[00:13:23] Right.

[00:13:24] But it's more holy.

[00:13:25] Right.

[00:13:26] It has more meaning because it's somehow a Hebrew word so that means it's better.

[00:13:33] And I'm like right, so it's an idol that got it.

[00:13:36] But also by the time that we got to Jeremiah, the Ark had been let's see not mentioned

[00:13:42] for quite some time.

[00:13:44] Right.

[00:13:45] So I don't know that I believe that the Ark was still around at this point.

[00:13:48] Yeah.

[00:13:49] I'm not sure I believe that either.

[00:13:50] They can say that all they want but I would wager a bet that it was not at the temple.

[00:13:56] So do you think the footstool then is referring to the temple and not the Ark inside the

[00:14:03] temple?

[00:14:04] It could very well refer to the temple.

[00:14:07] Definitely I don't think it's referring to the Ark inside the temple because there's

[00:14:09] no mention of it in years.

[00:14:11] Right.

[00:14:12] I mean like it's been years.

[00:14:14] Yeah.

[00:14:15] And like I think was what Solomon, I think that's the last time we actually even heard

[00:14:18] of the Ark.

[00:14:19] Well we did hear something when Hezekiah either him or one of them guys found a piece

[00:14:28] of the Torah in the library and were like whoa dude and that's when Josiah started

[00:14:38] all his reforms.

[00:14:40] They okay but did they specifically say the Ark though?

[00:14:44] No.

[00:14:45] I thought it was in the temple that they found.

[00:14:46] Well I know that, no it was in his library that they found the book but my thing is so

[00:14:53] then the Torah was not in the Ark then and so we don't know if the Ark was actually

[00:15:02] present on ground or not.

[00:15:05] I don't think like when that was, I remember that being said, I remember that bit and

[00:15:09] I don't think that that, to me it was not enough information to say the Ark is still

[00:15:14] around.

[00:15:15] If the Ark had still been around the Torah would have been inside it.

[00:15:18] If the Ark had still been around it would have been a much bigger deal than what it,

[00:15:22] it's literally nothing at this point.

[00:15:24] It means nothing at this point.

[00:15:26] Right.

[00:15:27] And that's part of why these people are going after the idols of other kingdoms.

[00:15:33] They don't have their shiny special golden box.

[00:15:35] Yeah.

[00:15:36] I mean if they did they would have been gathering around that because it was special golden and

[00:15:41] shiny and they could have been like this guys, this was the thing that Moses and Peeps carried

[00:15:47] for 40 years.

[00:15:49] This.

[00:15:50] Yeah.

[00:15:51] And it would have had more cultural relevance in the moment.

[00:15:54] Right.

[00:15:55] And it just, it wasn't there.

[00:15:56] Right.

[00:15:57] Clearly.

[00:15:58] Yeah.

[00:15:59] So then later on in chapter two, two initial letters are transposed in a couple of the

[00:16:03] verses.

[00:16:04] Okay.

[00:16:05] And in three instances throughout lamentations.

[00:16:08] Okay.

[00:16:09] And it's been suggested that the reason for the inversion of two of the Hebrew letters is

[00:16:15] that the Chaldeans, just like the Arabians used a different order than that of the

[00:16:21] Hebrews.

[00:16:22] Okay.

[00:16:23] So it was similar but not the same exactly.

[00:16:25] Right.

[00:16:26] So in chapter one, this is the suggestion.

[00:16:30] In chapter one, Jeremiah speaks as a Hebrew and that's why things read the way they're supposed

[00:16:36] to.

[00:16:37] Yeah.

[00:16:38] And then in the following chapters it's suggested he speaks as one subject to the Chaldeans

[00:16:43] and that's why you find the three different transposed letters.

[00:16:49] Letters.

[00:16:50] Right.

[00:16:51] Okay.

[00:16:52] Not all scholars accept that explanation.

[00:16:53] It also could have just been a goof.

[00:16:55] Sure.

[00:16:56] The fact that it's the same goof in three different places, I don't know what that tells us.

[00:17:02] Right.

[00:17:03] Right.

[00:17:04] At least it was consistent.

[00:17:05] Yeah.

[00:17:06] Like when I misspell a word, I usually misspell it the same way in all instances but not

[00:17:12] always.

[00:17:13] Right.

[00:17:14] Right.

[00:17:15] Sometimes I can spell the same word like five different times in the same like three

[00:17:18] paragraphs.

[00:17:19] Right.

[00:17:20] So who fucking knows?

[00:17:21] Yeah.

[00:17:22] So in chapter one, in chapter four we talked about ostriches.

[00:17:27] Yeah.

[00:17:28] Right.

[00:17:29] Yeah.

[00:17:30] So verse three reads...

[00:17:32] I said they were heartless.

[00:17:34] Well yeah.

[00:17:35] Verse three reads, even jackals offer their breasts to nurse their young but my people

[00:17:40] have become heartless like ostriches in the desert.

[00:17:43] Yeah.

[00:17:44] Okay.

[00:17:45] So here's the thing.

[00:17:46] Jackals themselves may also be rendered as sea monsters, whales, dragons or serpents depending

[00:17:52] on the translation.

[00:17:55] But here's why.

[00:17:57] The word jackal in Hebrew is tanem or no is tan but then the plural is tanen which is

[00:18:06] very similar to the word tanem which is dragons and sea monsters.

[00:18:14] Interesting.

[00:18:15] So that's why a lot of times you'll see jackals or dragons where it actually probably more

[00:18:21] likely means jackals.

[00:18:23] Right.

[00:18:24] Now even at that we don't know if they mean jackals, coyotes, wolves.

[00:18:29] Sure.

[00:18:30] Just some kind of wild dog or wild beast even.

[00:18:34] Right.

[00:18:35] Okay.

[00:18:36] And I just wanted to get that out there before we talk about the ostriches.

[00:18:38] Okay.

[00:18:39] Right.

[00:18:40] Okay.

[00:18:41] So that's interesting because that gets into like what's a hot dog and what are people going

[00:18:45] to think like 100 years from now or 500 or 1,000 years from now.

[00:18:50] Right.

[00:18:51] You know they might not understand what a hot dog is because it's not a dog that's

[00:18:56] hot.

[00:18:57] Right.

[00:18:58] So.

[00:18:59] Yeah.

[00:19:00] Right.

[00:19:01] Okay.

[00:19:02] Now ostriches or owls were thought to lack internal instincts and thus be cruel to

[00:19:05] their young like kick them around in stuff or they would desert their eggs.

[00:19:10] Okay.

[00:19:11] And notice I said ostriches or owls.

[00:19:13] Yeah.

[00:19:14] Okay.

[00:19:15] So I don't know if you remember but back in Job we also came across owls and other birds

[00:19:22] that were like evil and it could also be construed as even demons.

[00:19:28] Okay.

[00:19:29] Do you remember that?

[00:19:30] Yeah, I do.

[00:19:31] I do.

[00:19:32] So it's not really known what bird they're referring to.

[00:19:35] But it and it's kind of beside the point almost like they're not talking about this

[00:19:40] bird did this thing.

[00:19:42] Right.

[00:19:43] Like if the bird was the point of the sentence it would matter but what they're saying is

[00:19:47] there's a beast some kind of fucking bird who is cruel to its offspring and you know deserts

[00:19:55] them in the desert.

[00:19:57] The point of this is saying even that son of a bitch bird is able to feed its children

[00:20:04] whereas these monstrous mothers are eating their babies.

[00:20:08] Right.

[00:20:09] That's the point of that sentence.

[00:20:10] Okay.

[00:20:11] So and same with like the jackals they're saying these are wild fucking dogs or dragons you

[00:20:17] know however the translation goes these are wild beasts but even they are able to suckle

[00:20:22] their young whereas these babies their mouths are dry because they're so dehydrated and

[00:20:29] dying of thirst that their tongues are stuck to the roof of their mouth and the mothers

[00:20:34] are not able to produce milk.

[00:20:36] Right, right.

[00:20:37] So that's what that section was about.

[00:20:38] Got it.

[00:20:39] So basically once again it's a translation issue.

[00:20:42] Okay, all right.

[00:20:43] Okay.

[00:20:44] Finally chapter five and that was the weird chapter.

[00:20:48] Yeah.

[00:20:49] Do you remember like that was kind of separate from the other four and it was just it

[00:20:55] was different.

[00:20:56] Sure.

[00:20:57] You know?

[00:20:58] Yeah.

[00:20:59] It's basically a conclusion to the preceding four chapters which yeah because it fell

[00:21:03] at the conclusion therefore it concluded.

[00:21:06] Right.

[00:21:07] So really it's a conclusion and as mentioned the acrostic form is no longer observed.

[00:21:12] Right.

[00:21:13] Okay, the final poem of Lamentations was apparently written in Judah sometime after the fall of

[00:21:18] Jerusalem.

[00:21:19] Okay.

[00:21:20] Okay, only the people of no use to Babylon were left behind in the land.

[00:21:25] Right, right.

[00:21:26] And this poem reflects on the hardships that those dudes faced.

[00:21:30] Got it.

[00:21:31] Okay.

[00:21:32] Yeah.

[00:21:33] And it's less a dirge like the previous chapters were like laments right?

[00:21:36] This chapter was not really like that.

[00:21:39] Instead it was the nation's prayer to God for compassion.

[00:21:42] Sure.

[00:21:43] So you know supposedly Jeremiah wrote this and so in the first four chapters he's like

[00:21:50] well we suck, God left us, everything's horrible and we hate it and ha ha, Edom you're

[00:21:56] going to get this too but then in the last one he's like well we suck but we

[00:22:01] brought this on ourself and everybody turned to God and hopefully you know God hear

[00:22:05] us.

[00:22:06] Right, right.

[00:22:07] And several Old Testament prophecies including Lamentations conclude on a negative or inauspicious

[00:22:15] note and chapter five is no exception.

[00:22:18] Right.

[00:22:19] Okay.

[00:22:20] So consequently in synagogue readings it has become customary to conclude the recitation

[00:22:25] with repetition of the preceding verse.

[00:22:30] So if they read this out loud they would read verse 21 and then they would read verse 22

[00:22:36] which is the final but then they would go back and read verse 21 again.

[00:22:40] So let me read you how that would go.

[00:22:43] Yeah.

[00:22:44] Okay.

[00:22:45] 21, restore us to yourself Lord that we may return renew our days as of old.

[00:22:51] 22, unless you have utterly rejected us and are angry with us beyond measure.

[00:22:56] I can see why they would then go.

[00:22:58] Right.

[00:22:59] So restore us to yourself Lord that we may return renew our days as of old.

[00:23:03] I'm surprised they don't just leave that last one off and you know what I mean.

[00:23:07] Unless you're mad it's fine then we just suck forever.

[00:23:10] Yeah.

[00:23:11] Right.

[00:23:12] And this practice allows the reading in the synagogue to close with words of comfort.

[00:23:17] Got it.

[00:23:18] So yeah.

[00:23:19] Even though it's not right.

[00:23:20] That's a lie.

[00:23:21] It is a lie.

[00:23:22] It's a nice lie but it's still a lie.

[00:23:23] Yeah like hi the book doesn't say that.

[00:23:26] How are you?

[00:23:27] Right.

[00:23:28] Nice to meet you.

[00:23:29] So there's this book that I read.

[00:23:33] This is a little bit off topic except that I came across it while I was looking stuff up

[00:23:40] and hold on let me get into here and it's called The Bible Doesn't Say That 40 Biblical

[00:23:48] Mis-Translations, Mis-Conceptions and Other Mis-Understandings by Joel M. Hoffman.

[00:23:55] Okay.

[00:23:56] And he supplied some of the notes that I read or some of the information that I was reading

[00:24:03] about the mistranslations of the dragon, the tan versus tanim versus tanim.

[00:24:11] And I just want to add that to our list of books to get to someday because it just

[00:24:17] sounds like right up our alley and I wanted to credit him with that information.

[00:24:22] I got that from him.

[00:24:23] Yeah.

[00:24:24] Okay.

[00:24:25] So that is our wrap up.

[00:24:27] Are you, sir, ready to get into a quiz?

[00:24:32] I guess.

[00:24:33] Okay.

[00:24:34] Now you have big shoes to fill because I only missed one.

[00:24:39] Oh wow.

[00:24:40] Okay.

[00:24:41] Yeah.

[00:24:42] All right.

[00:24:43] So I did really well.

[00:24:44] I'll try to be on my best lamentations knowledgeable you know, footing here.

[00:24:49] All right.

[00:24:50] According to lamentations this is number one.

[00:24:52] Yeah.

[00:24:53] Lamentations who ruled over them?

[00:24:55] Okay.

[00:24:56] Multiple choice.

[00:24:57] Okay.

[00:24:58] Mighty men, slaves, strangers, prophets.

[00:25:02] Slaves.

[00:25:03] Correct.

[00:25:04] I mean, I'll tell you when we're done but that's the right answer.

[00:25:08] Okay.

[00:25:09] Number two.

[00:25:10] What did the soul of the writer of lamentations say the Lord is?

[00:25:15] A redeemer, a portion, a provider or a keeper?

[00:25:21] A provider.

[00:25:22] That is incorrect.

[00:25:23] Okay.

[00:25:24] But I'll tell you what it is when we're done.

[00:25:26] Got it.

[00:25:27] Number three.

[00:25:28] According to lamentations, what should one wait quietly for?

[00:25:33] Wars, an answer from the Lord, salvation of the Lord or whatever will happen?

[00:25:40] Salvation from the Lord.

[00:25:44] I think that's what I picked and I think that's wrong.

[00:25:46] I think that's the one I missed.

[00:25:47] Maybe answers then.

[00:25:48] Yeah.

[00:25:49] I don't remember.

[00:25:50] Okay.

[00:25:51] Who wrote the book of lamentations?

[00:25:53] Jeremiah.

[00:25:54] Yeah, that's supposedly.

[00:25:55] Right.

[00:25:56] It's a gimme.

[00:25:57] The other choices were Esther, David or Jonah who we haven't even got to yet.

[00:26:01] Number five.

[00:26:02] What did the writer of lamentations ask the people to do for the lives of their children?

[00:26:08] Cry, lift up their hands, pour out their hearts like water or all of the above?

[00:26:14] All of the above?

[00:26:15] Yeah.

[00:26:16] Actually, I think that's the one I missed.

[00:26:17] Okay.

[00:26:18] And I think all of the above is the correct answer.

[00:26:20] Got it.

[00:26:21] I don't remember what the answer was to that other one.

[00:26:23] Sure.

[00:26:24] Okay.

[00:26:25] Number six.

[00:26:26] When is it good for a man to bear the yoke in his childhood when he is old in times of

[00:26:32] need or in his youth?

[00:26:34] In his youth.

[00:26:35] Correct.

[00:26:36] Which, I don't understand what the difference is between in his childhood versus in his

[00:26:41] youth.

[00:26:42] I'm assuming youth means young man.

[00:26:43] Like teens and 20s.

[00:26:44] Yeah.

[00:26:45] Okay.

[00:26:46] Like childhood as a kid.

[00:26:48] Right.

[00:26:49] Under 18 in America.

[00:26:50] Well, I would imagine that young adults or youth in those times would have been probably

[00:26:56] 12 or 13, you know, somewhere, I don't know.

[00:27:00] But definitely not as old as we would put a young adult.

[00:27:02] Right.

[00:27:03] So not as old as we would put a young adult.

[00:27:06] Number seven.

[00:27:07] According to lamentations, what were the young men compelled to do and under what

[00:27:14] did boys stagger respectively?

[00:27:17] Take wells and loads of iron, pass through fire and heavy weight, grind at the mill and

[00:27:24] loads of wood or melt iron and bricks.

[00:27:28] Mill and wood.

[00:27:29] Yep.

[00:27:30] That's the right one.

[00:27:32] And actually I have a note about that if you're interested.

[00:27:35] Okay.

[00:27:36] One of the commentaries mentioned that wha wha they were forced to do women's work.

[00:27:42] Oh, is that what it was?

[00:27:43] Yeah.

[00:27:44] Oh.

[00:27:45] And that's why that stuck in my head.

[00:27:46] That's why I'm right one.

[00:27:47] Interesting.

[00:27:48] Yeah.

[00:27:49] I was like, oh, did they have to do women's, did they have to do their own laundry and

[00:27:53] cook dinner for boys?

[00:27:55] Like fuck off.

[00:27:56] Right.

[00:27:57] Okay.

[00:27:58] Okay.

[00:27:59] I'm not saying grinding at the mill is rough work and so is having to carry loads of

[00:28:04] wood.

[00:28:05] Right.

[00:28:06] Can't it just be rough work?

[00:28:07] Yeah.

[00:28:08] Why you gotta call it women's work?

[00:28:09] What?

[00:28:10] You can't do that?

[00:28:11] Right.

[00:28:12] That's hard?

[00:28:13] Yeah.

[00:28:14] No, these people were fucking suffering.

[00:28:15] They were doing hard ass labor.

[00:28:18] Not just quote unquote women's work.

[00:28:20] Right.

[00:28:21] Like fuck off.

[00:28:22] Number eight, how did the writer of Lamentation say they get their bread at the peril of

[00:28:28] their lives under pressure with great joy or with sacrifices?

[00:28:34] At the peril of their lives.

[00:28:36] Correct.

[00:28:37] Number nine, in Lamentation's chapter two, what did the writer call to mind and

[00:28:43] made him to have hope?

[00:28:46] Steadfast love of the Lord, God's covenant, temple of Jerusalem or the Lord has great might.

[00:28:53] Hmm.

[00:28:54] Can you repeat those answers again?

[00:28:57] Steadfast love of the Lord, God's covenant, temple of Jerusalem, the Lord has great

[00:29:03] might.

[00:29:04] Steadfast love of the Lord.

[00:29:05] Okay.

[00:29:06] I don't remember.

[00:29:07] I know I got it right but I don't remember.

[00:29:09] Okay.

[00:29:10] All right.

[00:29:11] According to Lamentation's, who did they say sinned and they bear the person's iniquities?

[00:29:17] Their prophets, their kings, their fathers or all of the above?

[00:29:22] All of the above.

[00:29:23] I don't think that's right.

[00:29:25] No.

[00:29:26] I think it's their fathers but I could be wrong.

[00:29:28] Okay.

[00:29:29] Okay.

[00:29:30] Number 11, according to Lamentation's what did the hands of compassionate women

[00:29:34] do?

[00:29:36] Fought for their own children, boiled their own children, acquired weapons, cultivated fields.

[00:29:44] Boiled their own children.

[00:29:45] Yes.

[00:29:46] That is grossly correct.

[00:29:47] Yeah.

[00:29:48] All right.

[00:29:49] Checking results.

[00:29:50] All right.

[00:29:51] Okay.

[00:29:52] According to Lamentation's who ruled over them?

[00:29:54] Yes.

[00:29:55] Slaves, you got that right.

[00:29:56] Yeah.

[00:29:57] Number two, you got this one wrong.

[00:29:59] What did the soul of the writer of Lamentation say the Lord is?

[00:30:03] You picked provider but the answer was portion.

[00:30:06] The Lord is your portion.

[00:30:08] Got it.

[00:30:09] And I came across that several times in my notes.

[00:30:11] That's how I was able to get it right.

[00:30:13] Sure.

[00:30:14] So, sorry.

[00:30:15] No, sorry.

[00:30:16] You got this one right.

[00:30:17] Number three, according to Lamentation's what should one wait quietly for?

[00:30:20] Salvation of the Lord.

[00:30:21] You got it right.

[00:30:22] Okay.

[00:30:23] Number four, you got this one right as well.

[00:30:25] Who wrote the book of Lamentation's?

[00:30:27] Jeremiah.

[00:30:28] Yep.

[00:30:29] Number five, you got this one right.

[00:30:31] What did the writer of Lamentation's ask the people to do for the lives of their children?

[00:30:35] The answer, you got right is all of the above.

[00:30:39] Cry, lift up their hands and pour out their hearts like water.

[00:30:43] Okay.

[00:30:44] Number six, when is it good for a man to bear the yoke in his youth?

[00:30:47] You got that right.

[00:30:48] Yep.

[00:30:49] Number seven, according to Lamentation's what were the young men compelled to do?

[00:30:54] Grind at the mill.

[00:30:55] And what did boys stagger under?

[00:30:57] Loads of wood.

[00:30:58] You got it right.

[00:30:59] Right.

[00:31:00] Number eight, how did the writer of Lamentation's say they get their bread at the peril of their

[00:31:05] lives?

[00:31:06] Yep.

[00:31:07] Got it right.

[00:31:08] Number nine, in Lamentation's chapter two, what did the writer hope to call to mind and

[00:31:13] made him to have hope?

[00:31:15] Steadfast love of the Lord.

[00:31:16] You got it right.

[00:31:17] Good on you.

[00:31:18] All right.

[00:31:19] Number 10, you got this one wrong, which I told you.

[00:31:23] According to Lamentation's who did they say sinned and they bear the person's

[00:31:27] inequities?

[00:31:28] The fathers apparently.

[00:31:29] The fathers.

[00:31:30] You picked all of the above, which would have included their prophets and their kings.

[00:31:34] But I remember specifically it did say their fathers because you were like that's fucked

[00:31:39] up.

[00:31:40] Yeah.

[00:31:41] Okay.

[00:31:42] And last one, number 11, according to Lamentation's what did the hands of compassionate women

[00:31:45] do?

[00:31:46] You got this one right.

[00:31:47] They boiled their own children, which is disgusting.

[00:31:50] Yes.

[00:31:51] And you got nine right out of 11.

[00:31:53] It's not bad.

[00:31:54] I did better than you though.

[00:31:56] Yeah, you did.

[00:31:57] So I'm the winner.

[00:31:58] You do the research.

[00:31:59] I do the research and I come across stuff that I don't always even mention that I don't

[00:32:05] know is going to be on the quiz.

[00:32:07] So I'm better prepared.

[00:32:08] I didn't prep for this other than just reading through with you.

[00:32:11] So you did good though.

[00:32:13] You got an 81% and the success rate from all players on this is 54%.

[00:32:21] Oh man.

[00:32:22] Yeah.

[00:32:23] So me and you both did good because since I only missed one, I got a 90 something.

[00:32:26] Right.

[00:32:27] Yeah.

[00:32:28] We both did amazing.

[00:32:29] All right.

[00:32:30] So you got anything else for us today?

[00:32:31] We're about done with Lamentation's.

[00:32:33] Yeah, we got her.

[00:32:34] I'm going to try to find some you're always wrong contradictions.

[00:32:38] Yeah.

[00:32:39] Yeah.

[00:32:40] And then I think we're going to try to do a Patreon this week or what are we doing

[00:32:45] this week as far as are we doing a special this week?

[00:32:48] I know we've been kind of off our game with trying to get stuff out lately.

[00:32:51] So I was not sure that we were going to do that.

[00:32:55] I think that the contradictions was probably going to come out on Sunday and then we were

[00:33:01] going to start the next chapter one of whatever the fuck that one is.

[00:33:06] But we'll see how things go.

[00:33:08] Is it a zykeo?

[00:33:09] Did I say?

[00:33:10] I think that's right.

[00:33:11] Yeah.

[00:33:12] We are falling behind on some of the extra stuff that we normally do.

[00:33:14] So we'll talk about it and then we'll figure it out.

[00:33:17] Maybe we'll do both.

[00:33:18] Who knows?

[00:33:19] Maybe we'll do both.

[00:33:20] Who knows?

[00:33:21] I mean, we've been known to put out two episodes in the same day.

[00:33:25] Like yesterday we put out two episodes.

[00:33:27] Like last week?

[00:33:28] Yeah.

[00:33:29] Yeah.

[00:33:30] All right.

[00:33:31] Well, that was Lamentations Wrap Up and we will definitely be back tomorrow with...

[00:33:36] You're always wrong.

[00:33:38] Or contradictions.

[00:33:39] So we'll see you guys then.

[00:33:41] Bye.

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