Micah Chapter 4: Bible Study by Atheists

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[00:01:34] Do you know where we are?

[00:01:36] We are in Micah, and we just finished chapter 3.

[00:01:41] Sure as fuck did.

[00:01:41] And in that chapter, Micah was talking about how the rulers and the prophets suck, kind of.

[00:01:50] How they be oppressing.

[00:01:52] Yeah, yeah, they're doing bad shit, I guess.

[00:01:54] But then...

[00:01:54] And then he's like, eat the rich!

[00:01:57] Yeah, yeah, there was some of that.

[00:01:59] But it was a lot of, you know, denouncing the false prophets.

[00:02:05] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:02:05] And so we had a large discussion about how the fuck do people know what a false prophet is?

[00:02:11] Right.

[00:02:12] And is a false prophet somebody who hears God's words and then just decides to say whatever the fuck he wants to say?

[00:02:19] Or is a false prophet somebody who doesn't hear any words and just makes shit up?

[00:02:24] Or is a false prophet somebody who hears words but they're from the devil and says that shit?

[00:02:29] Sure, yeah, all those.

[00:02:31] Right?

[00:02:31] Like, what's a false prophet?

[00:02:32] But at that, it doesn't really matter because what the...

[00:02:36] How is any person supposed to decide who is the correct one and who's not?

[00:02:41] Right.

[00:02:41] If they're all saying they're fucking prophets, like we've said before, there's nothing distinguishing one prophet from another that we have been told.

[00:02:48] I really want to see a Netflix special called False Prophet.

[00:02:52] Yeah.

[00:02:53] And it could be about like all these different people with all these different messages and then people are just like sitting in the stands like watching a tennis match with their heads going back and forth.

[00:03:03] And they're supposed to like somehow figure out like which one, which prophet are you supposed to follow?

[00:03:09] I think there should be a fucking game show called The True Prophet.

[00:03:12] Right?

[00:03:12] And basically there's like 50 fucking people and they all have a story and there's no reason that anybody should know any of the stories.

[00:03:20] But you have to pick one and if you're right then you win.

[00:03:23] Who wins?

[00:03:24] Whoever randomly picks the right fucking prophet.

[00:03:26] So it's just like any other game show you like be lucky enough to be on the show or...

[00:03:31] Yeah, you'd be lucky enough to be on the show and then you'd be lucky enough to pick the right prophet.

[00:03:34] And they all walk around talking about how they're the right prophet.

[00:03:37] And they explain to you why they're the right prophet.

[00:03:39] So it's kind of like that game like werewolves and I don't know whatever it's called where somebody...

[00:03:45] Sure.

[00:03:46] Yeah, actually that'd be a good way to do it.

[00:03:49] What's that?

[00:03:50] Yeah.

[00:03:50] What is it called?

[00:03:51] It's the one where they pass out cards, right?

[00:03:53] Yeah.

[00:03:53] And like you get a card and you're either like one of the...

[00:03:57] One of them's a bad guy.

[00:03:57] Right, like one of you is the bad guy.

[00:03:59] One of the townspeople, like you're either a townsperson or...

[00:04:02] A werewolf.

[00:04:03] You're a werewolf.

[00:04:04] Right.

[00:04:04] And nobody knows.

[00:04:06] Yeah.

[00:04:06] And like everybody's just like making random accusations and you have to pretend.

[00:04:10] No, I think that would be a fucking great show.

[00:04:12] Right?

[00:04:13] And it should be, you know, alluded to that we're kind of discussing religion with that show.

[00:04:19] Right.

[00:04:19] Right.

[00:04:20] Like...

[00:04:20] I'm telling you, you don't call it true prophet.

[00:04:23] You call it false prophet.

[00:04:24] Well, okay, okay.

[00:04:25] Whatever.

[00:04:25] That's the only way it would fly.

[00:04:27] But that's as random as this is.

[00:04:29] Yeah.

[00:04:29] Right?

[00:04:29] Like that's how random this is.

[00:04:31] Like you're wearing sandals.

[00:04:32] You probably are the real prophet.

[00:04:35] But this other guy, he's wearing sketchers.

[00:04:39] Totally not the prophet.

[00:04:40] You're the false prophet.

[00:04:41] Right.

[00:04:42] Right.

[00:04:42] Defend yourself.

[00:04:43] Yeah.

[00:04:43] What?

[00:04:44] Yeah.

[00:04:45] And then like if they, if you lose that round and you're like one of the, you know, people

[00:04:49] who's not a prophet, then you, you get rained out for like, cause God likes to, you know,

[00:04:56] flood people out.

[00:04:57] Yeah.

[00:04:57] Or earthquake doubt.

[00:04:58] Or earthquake doubt.

[00:04:59] Yeah.

[00:04:59] You get smote.

[00:05:00] You get smote.

[00:05:02] Oh my God.

[00:05:02] Yeah.

[00:05:03] And there could be like lifelines, like, um, all the, I don't know.

[00:05:08] There could be like some, some priesty judge people, like judges, first and second judges.

[00:05:14] Right.

[00:05:15] And, um, you can have so many lifelines that you are.

[00:05:18] I feel like there's a lot you could do with this.

[00:05:20] There really is.

[00:05:21] Yeah.

[00:05:21] There really is.

[00:05:21] Somebody's missing a, missing a, missing a thing here.

[00:05:24] Uh huh.

[00:05:24] It needs to be done.

[00:05:25] Come on.

[00:05:26] Even just like a YouTube channel doing this.

[00:05:27] Right.

[00:05:28] Somebody picked this up.

[00:05:29] Come on.

[00:05:29] Like, I don't have the time to do that shit, but somebody does exploding kittens.

[00:05:33] People, you know?

[00:05:34] Yeah.

[00:05:35] Come on.

[00:05:35] Pick this up.

[00:05:36] This is a great, I want to play this game.

[00:05:38] I want to play it.

[00:05:38] Yeah.

[00:05:39] It's reality TV for the atheist, like atheist reality TV.

[00:05:42] It's survivor.

[00:05:44] That's an, that I hate reality TV, but that's a reality TV show.

[00:05:47] I would watch.

[00:05:47] It's pre Jesus survivor.

[00:05:51] Right.

[00:05:52] I mean, that's the tagline for it.

[00:05:54] Right.

[00:05:54] Right.

[00:05:55] Right.

[00:05:55] Yeah.

[00:05:56] Okay.

[00:05:56] All right.

[00:05:57] So anyway, that was Micah chapter three.

[00:05:59] Sure as fuck was.

[00:06:00] Which means that today we're getting into.

[00:06:03] Micah chapter four.

[00:06:05] All right.

[00:06:05] Let's do this.

[00:06:06] Okie dokie.

[00:06:12] All right.

[00:06:12] We are about to jump into Micah chapter four, but before we do that, I have something

[00:06:18] to say.

[00:06:18] Okay.

[00:06:19] So Micah only has seven chapters.

[00:06:22] Um, if I had said this right at the beginning, I would have said we were less than halfway

[00:06:29] through Micah.

[00:06:31] If I said this at the end, then we'd be over halfway through Micah.

[00:06:35] But because we're right in the middle of chapter four, we are exactly halfway through Micah.

[00:06:42] Right here.

[00:06:42] Right at the beginning of chapter four.

[00:06:43] No, we're halfway through Micah.

[00:06:46] Fuck off.

[00:06:46] Cause I'm cause you know, we did our intro and recording.

[00:06:50] Sure.

[00:06:50] And if you listened to this far, you're going to listen to the rest.

[00:06:53] Actually three and a half would have been halfway.

[00:06:55] Wouldn't it?

[00:06:56] Yes.

[00:06:57] That's what I've been like last chapter halfway through it.

[00:06:59] No, three.

[00:07:00] That was all of three and a half.

[00:07:02] Three plus a half.

[00:07:05] Oh yeah.

[00:07:06] Oh yeah.

[00:07:07] Yeah.

[00:07:07] I math bad.

[00:07:08] You did bad.

[00:07:09] I did real bad math.

[00:07:11] It was geometry.

[00:07:11] I couldn't even count.

[00:07:12] No, it was geometry.

[00:07:13] That's why you had to stack blocks in your head.

[00:07:16] Yeah.

[00:07:16] I was thinking maybe it was trigonometry.

[00:07:18] I was really bad at that.

[00:07:19] You were so bad.

[00:07:20] Yeah.

[00:07:20] Anyway, so three and a half.

[00:07:23] Yeah.

[00:07:23] Ish.

[00:07:24] Except for that we haven't started the chapter yet.

[00:07:26] You need to fuck right off.

[00:07:28] Seriously.

[00:07:30] All right.

[00:07:30] So ready?

[00:07:31] I'm ready.

[00:07:31] In the last days, the mountain of the Lord's temple will be established as the highest

[00:07:38] of the mountains.

[00:07:38] In the last days, but not before that.

[00:07:40] In the last days.

[00:07:41] Okay.

[00:07:41] All right.

[00:07:42] Highest of the mountains.

[00:07:43] The highest.

[00:07:43] Ain't no mountain high enough.

[00:07:47] Right.

[00:07:47] Right.

[00:07:47] Yeah.

[00:07:48] It will be exalted above the hills and peoples will stream to it.

[00:07:52] Like the way we stream Netflix.

[00:07:55] No.

[00:07:55] No.

[00:07:56] That's not what that means.

[00:07:57] That's a different streaming.

[00:07:59] Yeah.

[00:07:59] The same, but different.

[00:08:01] Not even the same.

[00:08:03] Nope.

[00:08:03] It is.

[00:08:03] Just completely different.

[00:08:04] I think it's the same.

[00:08:05] No.

[00:08:06] I want to disagree with you here.

[00:08:08] I streamed to stream Netflix.

[00:08:11] Okay.

[00:08:12] People, people, people streamed to that stupid fucking fight on Netflix.

[00:08:18] Oh, that was terrible.

[00:08:19] That didn't stream.

[00:08:19] I, I'm going to take some of that class action lawsuit just because.

[00:08:23] Right.

[00:08:23] That was so fucking terrible.

[00:08:25] Who is it?

[00:08:25] That Jake Logan Paul boy.

[00:08:28] Mike Tyson.

[00:08:29] And Mike Tyson.

[00:08:30] Yeah.

[00:08:30] I can never remember because those boys have two first name and last name.

[00:08:35] Like both of their names are first names.

[00:08:36] I don't give a fuck about either.

[00:08:37] So I call both of them Jake Logan Paul.

[00:08:39] Got it.

[00:08:40] Because I don't know what their last name is.

[00:08:42] I have no idea.

[00:08:42] I mean like I only know them because other people know them.

[00:08:45] They're YouTube boys.

[00:08:46] I know.

[00:08:46] They started on Vine I think.

[00:08:48] I'm aware of what they are and who they are kind of.

[00:08:50] And they're fuck boys.

[00:08:51] But I really don't want to have known about them personally.

[00:08:55] Yeah.

[00:08:55] Yeah.

[00:08:56] I mean I feel sorry for their childhood.

[00:08:57] Like apparently they were like put on YouTube right away.

[00:09:02] You know way more than I do about these guys.

[00:09:04] Well, I'm just saying.

[00:09:05] Okay.

[00:09:05] But I don't, I don't care for them.

[00:09:07] Right.

[00:09:07] They're bullshittery.

[00:09:08] I was already way too old for them when they came out.

[00:09:11] Sure.

[00:09:11] So, you know.

[00:09:12] But, you know, one could say the same about Markiplier.

[00:09:15] Yet, I think he's adorable.

[00:09:17] Right.

[00:09:17] No, I like Markiplier.

[00:09:18] And sweet and good.

[00:09:18] Yeah.

[00:09:19] And kind.

[00:09:20] And generous.

[00:09:21] Seems that way.

[00:09:22] He's from our neck of the woods actually.

[00:09:24] He is.

[00:09:24] Yeah.

[00:09:24] I always forget that.

[00:09:25] He donates to a local hospital, like a children's wing of the hospital and stuff.

[00:09:29] It's really cool.

[00:09:30] Hi Markiplier.

[00:09:31] Yeah.

[00:09:31] Shout out to Markiplier.

[00:09:32] If you want to be friends.

[00:09:33] Our kid would love to meet you.

[00:09:35] Holy shit.

[00:09:37] That would be hilarious.

[00:09:39] Maybe he secretly listens to our podcast.

[00:09:40] I mean.

[00:09:41] You never know.

[00:09:41] You never know.

[00:09:42] He might be a closet atheist.

[00:09:45] He would never admit it.

[00:09:47] We would never say it.

[00:09:48] He'd have to care enough.

[00:09:49] We would never, we would never tell Markiplier.

[00:09:50] I promise.

[00:09:51] No.

[00:09:51] We would never tell.

[00:09:53] And we would just take you out to lunch.

[00:09:55] Just yeah.

[00:09:55] But you're richer than us.

[00:09:56] So we'd all go Dutch.

[00:09:58] But also thank you for donating to the local hospital.

[00:10:00] Right.

[00:10:00] And all the other good things you do.

[00:10:02] Yeah.

[00:10:02] You're a good guy.

[00:10:03] Also one of my friends at work.

[00:10:05] Saw him at Guitar Center.

[00:10:06] Oh really?

[00:10:06] Yeah.

[00:10:07] Yeah.

[00:10:07] Was he decent in public?

[00:10:09] I don't, I don't think he had the nerve to go up and say hi.

[00:10:11] Oh.

[00:10:11] So.

[00:10:12] Yeah.

[00:10:12] I don't know.

[00:10:13] I would say hi.

[00:10:13] I would be like, hello Markiplier young man.

[00:10:16] I'm older than him, you know?

[00:10:17] Right.

[00:10:18] So I feel like I'd just be like, what's up Markiplier?

[00:10:20] Right.

[00:10:20] You know?

[00:10:21] How's it going man?

[00:10:21] May I call you Markiplier?

[00:10:24] How should I address you?

[00:10:25] Sir.

[00:10:26] Young sir.

[00:10:27] Hey kid.

[00:10:27] I really had no idea we'd be doing such a long segment about Markiplier as we get up to

[00:10:30] in this episode, but you know, here we are.

[00:10:33] Um, yeah.

[00:10:34] So he's cute and I like him.

[00:10:35] Right.

[00:10:35] Yeah.

[00:10:36] Okay.

[00:10:38] So many nations, many nations, many nations will come.

[00:10:42] Yeah, they will.

[00:10:43] Jesus Christ.

[00:10:44] And they'll say, come.

[00:10:45] Yeah, they will.

[00:10:46] Let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the temple of the God of Jacob.

[00:10:50] Come tell it on the mountain, over the hills and far away.

[00:10:57] Did you ever hear that song?

[00:10:57] I have.

[00:10:58] Oh.

[00:10:58] I have.

[00:10:59] I like some of that old time, like gospel stuff.

[00:11:01] Right?

[00:11:02] Like there's lots of hand clapping and like, no, it's fun.

[00:11:04] You know?

[00:11:05] Like going back and forth, you know?

[00:11:07] I love the movie Oh Brother Where Art Thou?

[00:11:10] Mm-hmm.

[00:11:11] And there's like-

[00:11:11] It's got so much bluegrass and gospel in it.

[00:11:13] And gospel in it.

[00:11:13] Yeah.

[00:11:14] And like, that's some really great-

[00:11:16] It is.

[00:11:16] Like I love that soundtrack.

[00:11:17] That's why a lot of people like Sister Act, because it's got like some pop, but it's

[00:11:21] also got like a lot of gospel music.

[00:11:22] Sure.

[00:11:23] Yeah.

[00:11:23] It's a good soundtrack too.

[00:11:25] He will teach us his ways so that we may walk in his paths.

[00:11:30] The straight paths, not the zigzag paths.

[00:11:32] Not the crooked paths.

[00:11:33] Don't forget.

[00:11:33] Yeah.

[00:11:34] The Lord is going to come and he's going to teach us his ways.

[00:11:37] We're going to walk on his paths.

[00:11:38] Okay.

[00:11:38] This is more of that end days bullshit.

[00:11:40] Right.

[00:11:40] He didn't mention it here, but you got to watch out for the honey-lipped vixens also.

[00:11:45] Don't mix it up with honey-lipped vixens.

[00:11:47] I'm trying to remind you guys because sometimes the Bible forgets to tell you these things.

[00:11:50] Right.

[00:11:50] And it's only in certain spots and like, they don't reinforce very well because it's bullshit.

[00:11:57] Right.

[00:11:57] Exactly.

[00:11:58] The law will go out from Zion.

[00:12:01] The Dukes of Hazzard law.

[00:12:02] The boys.

[00:12:10] The boss hog was the.

[00:12:11] Yeah.

[00:12:11] Yeah.

[00:12:12] The law will go out from Zion.

[00:12:14] The word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

[00:12:16] He will judge between many peoples and will settle disputes for strong nations far and wide.

[00:12:23] Okay.

[00:12:23] They will beat their swords into plowshares.

[00:12:26] Remember that?

[00:12:27] Oh, yeah.

[00:12:27] There's the line.

[00:12:28] Yeah.

[00:12:28] I remember that.

[00:12:29] And their spears and the pruning hooks.

[00:12:31] Hmm.

[00:12:32] Nation will not take up sword against nation.

[00:12:34] Oh, it's so sweet.

[00:12:35] It's cute.

[00:12:36] They're going to do peace.

[00:12:37] It sounds that way.

[00:12:39] It sounds like he's saying God's going to help them do this peace.

[00:12:41] Nor will they train for war anymore.

[00:12:43] Yeah.

[00:12:44] Once that new God nation comes.

[00:12:48] Yeah.

[00:12:48] At the end days.

[00:12:49] We have to wait.

[00:12:51] We have to wait for the end days before we can have peace.

[00:12:52] But like a lot of people put this like the they claim that the prophecy or whatever happened comes true in like the Babylonian exile.

[00:12:59] Mm hmm.

[00:13:00] So apparently according to that, that was in days, but also not.

[00:13:03] Right.

[00:13:04] Is that how we're going to end up with this?

[00:13:05] Depends.

[00:13:05] Depends who you ask.

[00:13:06] Okay.

[00:13:07] I don't even know.

[00:13:07] There's so many like just inconsistencies with what people claim.

[00:13:11] I can't.

[00:13:11] From the Bible.

[00:13:12] I can't hear that.

[00:13:13] I can't hear that.

[00:13:14] La la la.

[00:13:15] None of it's true.

[00:13:16] No.

[00:13:16] Everyone will sit under their own vine and under their own fig tree and no one will make them

[00:13:22] afraid for the Lord Almighty has spoken.

[00:13:24] You know, in our part of the world, we don't have fig trees.

[00:13:26] I have a note about that.

[00:13:28] Actually, it means a thing.

[00:13:30] It's not just.

[00:13:32] It's not just fig trees.

[00:13:32] Yeah.

[00:13:33] It's not just like, hey, have a fig tree.

[00:13:35] It's not like I don't want a fig tree because when I was growing up, I really liked fig Newtons.

[00:13:40] Mm hmm.

[00:13:41] And I figure if you have a fig tree, maybe you could make your own fig Newtons.

[00:13:44] Right.

[00:13:44] That would be a thing that I do.

[00:13:46] I don't know how that works.

[00:13:47] I do love fig Newtons.

[00:13:48] Yeah.

[00:13:49] But they tasted better when I was younger.

[00:13:50] I've tried them as an adult.

[00:13:51] I'm not as much of a fan.

[00:13:53] But I heard that figs are like a wasp that goes around.

[00:13:59] Not all.

[00:13:59] Some.

[00:14:00] Oh, yeah.

[00:14:00] I think we had this talk.

[00:14:01] Yeah.

[00:14:01] Yeah.

[00:14:02] It doesn't apply to all.

[00:14:02] But there are some.

[00:14:03] And I was that they're like basically the wasp crawls into them for some reason.

[00:14:08] And then and then the fruit goes around around it.

[00:14:11] Yeah.

[00:14:12] There's basically wasp figs.

[00:14:14] Yeah.

[00:14:14] Yeah.

[00:14:14] Which is interesting.

[00:14:16] The whole idea just.

[00:14:18] It makes me think of the life of pie, the book or the movie.

[00:14:23] Actually, the movie was pretty decent, but the book was beautiful.

[00:14:26] And there was an island of trees that grew teeth.

[00:14:30] Yeah.

[00:14:31] Yeah.

[00:14:31] It was creepy.

[00:14:33] Right.

[00:14:34] All right.

[00:14:35] So we just read verse for everyone will sit under their own vine and under their own fig tree and no one will make them afraid for the Lord God Almighty has spoken.

[00:14:45] Right.

[00:14:45] Okay.

[00:14:46] This is a proverbial expression that means prosperity and peace.

[00:14:50] And we've actually read this before, both in first Kings and second Kings.

[00:14:55] Yeah, it does sound familiar.

[00:14:56] In first Kings chapter four, verse 25, it said during Solomon's lifetime, Judah and Israel from Dan to Beersheba lived in safety, everyone under their own vine and under their own fig tree.

[00:15:11] Sure.

[00:15:11] And then in second Kings chapter 18, verse 31, it says, do not listen to Hezekiah.

[00:15:17] This is what the king of Assyria says.

[00:15:19] Make peace with me and come out to me.

[00:15:22] Then each of you will eat fruit from your own vine and fig tree and drink water from your own cistern.

[00:15:28] Okay.

[00:15:28] Okay.

[00:15:29] So it's just supposed to be, it's the saying.

[00:15:34] Got it.

[00:15:34] Yeah.

[00:15:35] You're going to have your own prosperity.

[00:15:36] Right.

[00:15:37] Right.

[00:15:38] All the nations may walk in the name of their gods, but we will walk in the name of the Lord, our God forever and ever.

[00:15:46] Interesting.

[00:15:47] Yeah.

[00:15:47] All nations are going to walk in the name of their gods.

[00:15:50] Right.

[00:15:51] But we will walk in the name of our Lord, our God.

[00:15:55] But I am curious here because he's claiming that God will bring peace to everybody.

[00:16:00] Mm-hmm.

[00:16:01] All the gods will get along and the people will.

[00:16:03] Right.

[00:16:04] Yeah.

[00:16:04] And also, yeah, like the part that you're mentioning here is like, we're still right here because

[00:16:09] we're going back to the 800 BC timeframe, right?

[00:16:12] We're still talking about multitude of gods and being acknowledged by the Bible at some level.

[00:16:18] As people having different faith in different gods, different nations having different gods.

[00:16:23] Right.

[00:16:24] And in this particular instance, God is going to bring peace to the whole world, but they're

[00:16:28] all going to have their own gods.

[00:16:30] Mm-hmm.

[00:16:31] That's weird.

[00:16:32] Well, it's an acknowledgement of diversity.

[00:16:35] Is it?

[00:16:36] It is.

[00:16:37] To me.

[00:16:37] I think it's an acknowledgement of the times that they were in and that there were other

[00:16:41] gods around them.

[00:16:42] And it was just a matter of fact statement that, yep, there's other gods in these other

[00:16:47] lands that don't have anything to do with us.

[00:16:49] Those people believe that.

[00:16:49] We believe this.

[00:16:50] Right.

[00:16:50] Those believe those.

[00:16:52] That's just how things work, right?

[00:16:53] It's not.

[00:16:54] It's an acknowledgement of the diversity of different nations having different gods.

[00:16:59] And the avenues to, you know, preach to other cultures about what you believe and convert

[00:17:06] them wasn't as easy back then.

[00:17:09] Right.

[00:17:09] It's not something that was available as a normal everyday type thing that you could do.

[00:17:14] Mm-hmm.

[00:17:15] So I don't think that converting people to your God was as much of a discussion as it

[00:17:19] maybe is today.

[00:17:20] Right.

[00:17:21] You know?

[00:17:21] Right.

[00:17:22] So I don't know.

[00:17:23] I just, I find it interesting that the Bible can admit that different nations have different

[00:17:29] beliefs, but that God's going to be okay with that.

[00:17:32] I mean, when we first started.

[00:17:32] But today, the people today cannot, cannot.

[00:17:35] Yeah.

[00:17:35] And their God cannot.

[00:17:37] Yeah.

[00:17:37] Right.

[00:17:38] But I think when we first started reading the Bible, that was one of the things that

[00:17:41] I was like, whoa.

[00:17:42] What?

[00:17:43] The Bible acknowledges other gods?

[00:17:44] Yeah.

[00:17:45] Holy what?

[00:17:46] I did not expect that to come up.

[00:17:47] Right?

[00:17:47] Like, didn't see that coming.

[00:17:48] Yeah.

[00:17:49] And I honestly, I don't really think that, I think that when a Christian reads the Bible,

[00:17:55] that gets glossed over.

[00:17:57] Oh yeah.

[00:17:57] Like that's, if they read the Bible, that gets glossed over.

[00:18:00] I would, I would imagine.

[00:18:01] I think they probably bring their own tone to it.

[00:18:05] So what they're, they would probably say, well, yeah, the Bible is acknowledging that

[00:18:12] other people believe in different gods, but not that there are different gods.

[00:18:17] No.

[00:18:17] And I, I think I thought of that myself and I think that it is a, it could be a fair statement

[00:18:27] if done correctly.

[00:18:28] It could be a fair statement if I could read their Bibles too.

[00:18:31] Sure.

[00:18:32] But you guys killed them all.

[00:18:33] So if you're, if you're acknowledging that these people have a God and it's, or a belief

[00:18:38] in a God.

[00:18:39] And it's different than yours, but that, and your argument is that maybe that God is the

[00:18:44] same God, right?

[00:18:45] Mm-hmm.

[00:18:46] Then that would kind of mean that you need to study all these different religions.

[00:18:51] Right.

[00:18:51] And figure out which bits you think all make this one religion and this one God, because

[00:18:57] that's the only way that that makes sense.

[00:18:59] Right.

[00:18:59] Right.

[00:19:00] Like, otherwise all the tombs, all of the fucking books would match.

[00:19:04] Right.

[00:19:05] With the same fucking books.

[00:19:06] Right.

[00:19:06] Right.

[00:19:07] They wouldn't be all different.

[00:19:08] It would be all the same.

[00:19:09] It's so cute.

[00:19:09] Because God would be like, this is God's word.

[00:19:11] This is what's what.

[00:19:13] It's so cute.

[00:19:13] As long as you just don't look hard enough, then you don't have to.

[00:19:17] No.

[00:19:18] And that's, you know, people either go really detailed, like the Bible says this, the Bible

[00:19:25] says that, and this is how I feel about that.

[00:19:27] Right.

[00:19:28] Or they go real high and they're like, well, you know, people believe in all kinds of different

[00:19:33] gods, but God is just way more powerful than human being.

[00:19:38] You know, like they just start talking to this airy fucking bullshit, whatever.

[00:19:41] They either bury you in details or they leave all the details out and it's just like, whatever.

[00:19:47] And you could have, you could be having a discussion with a person about the specifics and switch

[00:19:51] in the next breath to the airy bullshit.

[00:19:54] And vice versa.

[00:19:55] And I'm like, what the, where did that come from, man?

[00:19:57] It's whatever's convenient in the moment.

[00:19:59] And they know you can't argue that.

[00:20:01] There's no, there's nothing to fucking argue.

[00:20:03] It's an inability also to, um,

[00:20:06] Admit they're wrong.

[00:20:08] Well, no, more than that, more than that.

[00:20:10] It's an inability to think critically and to speak logically.

[00:20:14] Sure.

[00:20:15] It's the same way that, um, people that practice these things, this methodology, this way of

[00:20:23] thinking long enough, can't even understand simple basic analogies.

[00:20:26] Right.

[00:20:27] Honestly, I think Trump utilizes the mentality that a lot of Christian apologists use, and

[00:20:33] that's to double down on your fucking explanations and your beliefs.

[00:20:37] Right.

[00:20:37] And stupidity.

[00:20:38] Right.

[00:20:38] But you're, you're, you're never wrong.

[00:20:40] Right.

[00:20:40] Right.

[00:20:40] You can't, and the Bible, the way that it's built and the way that people are indoctrinated

[00:20:45] allows you, they can't be wrong.

[00:20:47] Cause if they're wrong, they have to admit that God might be wrong.

[00:20:51] Yeah.

[00:20:51] Or that their interpretation or that, that page or that the Bible or any number of things,

[00:20:58] your church, your pastor.

[00:21:00] I really feel like this is why the MAGA crowd mesh, mess meshes with the Christian crowd a

[00:21:05] little bit.

[00:21:06] Yeah.

[00:21:06] Because there is the same mentality of we're never wrong.

[00:21:09] And as long as you just never admit you're wrong, you're good.

[00:21:12] I just think it's really cute that he's making money off of them by selling them their

[00:21:16] own fucking book.

[00:21:17] Oh, I, that, that was the most hilarious thing I ever fucking, when he's, when Trump

[00:21:21] started selling a Trump Bible, I was like, you have to be, do you know how hard you fuckers

[00:21:26] are being fleeced?

[00:21:28] Right.

[00:21:28] Like Jesus Christ.

[00:21:29] It doesn't get, it doesn't get any worse than this.

[00:21:31] Because it's got the constitution in it, which is even funnier.

[00:21:35] Oh my God.

[00:21:36] I didn't know that.

[00:21:37] That's, that's terrible.

[00:21:38] That's terrible.

[00:21:38] It's hilarious.

[00:21:40] It's hilarious because I mean, it, it, if I was a writer writing this book, I

[00:21:47] wrote this story, I could not get away with how ridiculous and stupid that is because

[00:21:53] that would never fly.

[00:21:55] I wonder when he gets inaugurated this time, if he's going to maybe swear on the Trump

[00:21:58] Bible.

[00:21:59] Probably.

[00:22:00] Oh, probably.

[00:22:01] I'm very curious about that.

[00:22:02] Actually.

[00:22:03] I have no doubt.

[00:22:04] And then we'll find out shortly after that, whether we still have a democracy or not.

[00:22:08] Right.

[00:22:08] I mean, he's already said that like, he doesn't mind if we do away with the constitution.

[00:22:16] Right.

[00:22:16] Right.

[00:22:16] Now look guys, I want to, I want to back that up a second because I am probably the least

[00:22:22] conspiratorial in at least this house about whether or not Trump is going to take over

[00:22:27] the U S or whatever and become king of all king of the world.

[00:22:32] So I, I don't really, I think that we're going to be fine.

[00:22:35] Um, but you know, he says some shit.

[00:22:38] That's just like, what?

[00:22:40] Yeah.

[00:22:40] I'm not saying he's going to do that.

[00:22:42] I'm just telling you what the dude said.

[00:22:44] He says, he says some crazy ass shit.

[00:22:46] He said, he said that he doesn't mind if we get rid of it because it, it doesn't serve

[00:22:51] his purposes.

[00:22:52] Also, I, we apologize for talking politics.

[00:22:54] I don't apologize.

[00:22:55] To oversee to our overseas friends who just kind of are pissed off at the whole situation

[00:23:00] over here.

[00:23:01] I'm, we got too much going on for me to be sorry.

[00:23:05] So I I'm sorry that it doesn't sit with you.

[00:23:09] How about that?

[00:23:09] I'm sorry that we as a country.

[00:23:12] Yes.

[00:23:13] Elected Trump as president.

[00:23:14] Yeah, that, that is what I would certainly was not something we chose.

[00:23:18] No, absolutely not.

[00:23:20] All right, let's continue this chapter.

[00:23:21] And now we are exactly halfway through.

[00:23:24] There we go.

[00:23:25] Okay.

[00:23:26] There's the halfway Micah point.

[00:23:27] Okay.

[00:23:27] Yeah.

[00:23:28] Fuck off.

[00:23:29] In that day, declares the Lord, I will gather the lame lame.

[00:23:34] I will assemble the exiles and those I have brought to grief.

[00:23:38] Those I God, I brought them to grief.

[00:23:41] I'm going to get them.

[00:23:42] Yeah.

[00:23:43] Bring them back.

[00:23:43] Bring them together.

[00:23:44] Okay.

[00:23:44] Yeah.

[00:23:44] I will make the lame, my remnant lame.

[00:23:48] Lame those driven away.

[00:23:50] A strong nation.

[00:23:53] Okay.

[00:23:53] The Lord will roll over them and Mount Zion from that day and forever.

[00:23:58] All right.

[00:23:59] As for you.

[00:24:00] This is the end of days thing, right?

[00:24:02] Yeah.

[00:24:02] Yeah.

[00:24:03] Right.

[00:24:03] Okay.

[00:24:04] As for you, watch tower of the flock, stronghold of daughter Zion, the former dominion will

[00:24:11] be restored to you.

[00:24:13] Kingship will come to daughter Jerusalem.

[00:24:16] Okay.

[00:24:17] I'm not, that's going to require some digging in.

[00:24:19] I'm not really sure what that means.

[00:24:20] I need some A's to these cues.

[00:24:22] I mean, this is a sentiment, but I don't really know what.

[00:24:25] I need a breakdown.

[00:24:26] I mean, I'm assuming, I'm going to assume that he's talking about this eventual leader

[00:24:31] who's going to be.

[00:24:32] Yeah.

[00:24:33] He's talking about a coming Messiah.

[00:24:35] Right.

[00:24:35] Yeah.

[00:24:35] And Christians are very excited because to them, he's clearly talking about.

[00:24:39] Sure.

[00:24:39] Sure.

[00:24:39] And the funny thing is though, that Judaism does believe that there will be a Messiah.

[00:24:45] Right.

[00:24:46] It's just not fucking Jesus.

[00:24:47] Right.

[00:24:48] And, and, and they, I think believe that he did maybe exist, but as a human, not as maybe

[00:24:56] not a Messiah.

[00:24:57] Yeah.

[00:24:58] No, that Jesus existed as a human, not a son of God, any more than anybody else was a

[00:25:04] decent.

[00:25:05] Okay.

[00:25:05] Prophet.

[00:25:05] He was a prophet guy.

[00:25:06] I think that that was a, uh, like any other acknowledgement to get along with the Christians.

[00:25:11] I agree.

[00:25:12] If you ask me, but you know, they're probably like, Oh, sure.

[00:25:14] Sure.

[00:25:14] Sure.

[00:25:15] From what I understand, there's essentially no real historical proof of Jesus.

[00:25:20] I thought that there was a question that maybe he did.

[00:25:23] I thought that there was, there certainly isn't any consensus as to who exactly.

[00:25:28] Right.

[00:25:29] Yeah.

[00:25:29] Right.

[00:25:30] There's a lot of consensus about that.

[00:25:32] There probably was a Jesus figure.

[00:25:34] Right.

[00:25:35] That is described in the Bible.

[00:25:36] There was a dude walking on.

[00:25:38] There was a prophet guy walking around saying some shit.

[00:25:40] But to point at what that means and who he is.

[00:25:42] Right.

[00:25:43] And ascribe magic to it.

[00:25:44] That's a whole different story because like none of the, the early accounts of Jesus

[00:25:48] really match up the way they should.

[00:25:50] There's, there's a lot of inconsistencies with regard to how Jesus is described and who

[00:25:55] he, because they have to make him match.

[00:25:56] And let's not forget Roman history too.

[00:25:59] Sure.

[00:25:59] Sure.

[00:25:59] But they also have to make him match the prophecies if they want him to be, you know, the Jesus.

[00:26:04] The Jesus.

[00:26:05] Right.

[00:26:05] So even if there was a story originally about this person, it's been twisted to fit the

[00:26:12] fucking prophecies.

[00:26:13] Right.

[00:26:13] So it's like, okay, are we talking about human Jesus or like Jesus actual?

[00:26:20] Right.

[00:26:21] Yeah.

[00:26:22] And then people throw in things like the shroud of Turin and it's just, there's so much

[00:26:27] shroud.

[00:26:28] Well, it's the shroud of Turin is one of those things that comes up in so many conversations

[00:26:33] and it's just been, it's been debunked over and over and over again.

[00:26:38] And now there are statues, the weeping statues.

[00:26:41] That was actually proven wrong too.

[00:26:43] I know it was rust.

[00:26:44] All right.

[00:26:45] Yeah.

[00:26:45] But the, the, the shroud of Turin was originally debunked back in the eighties, but then they

[00:26:54] found something else that might've caused that to be wrong.

[00:26:57] But then it's been pretty much debunked again since then.

[00:27:00] And come on, we're talking about a burned in image of someone's head on a piece of fucking

[00:27:06] fabric from thousands of years ago at the best.

[00:27:09] And how are we supposed to believe that that's Jesus?

[00:27:13] Why are we supposed to believe that?

[00:27:15] It's like when Jesus' face pops up on your toast.

[00:27:17] Yeah.

[00:27:17] That's what it's like.

[00:27:19] Yeah.

[00:27:19] It's the original Jesus toast.

[00:27:20] Like, come on guys.

[00:27:22] Yeah.

[00:27:23] Yeah.

[00:27:23] Did you ever have Jesus on your toast?

[00:27:25] You know what?

[00:27:26] I did not, but I have had a Hello Kitty on my toast.

[00:27:30] Yeah.

[00:27:31] But that was because the toaster that we had was set up that way.

[00:27:37] It was.

[00:27:37] It was.

[00:27:38] To burn the image.

[00:27:39] And I'm sorry, but you can't tell me that somebody didn't take, like, even before designer

[00:27:44] fucking toasters, someone could take a fucking iron and just make a Jesus thing and imprint

[00:27:49] on the goddamn toast.

[00:27:50] I used Play-Doh molds and I made Jesus.

[00:27:53] If you thought you could make millions of dollars by imprinting the image of Jesus on

[00:27:58] a piece of toast, wouldn't you figure out a way to do it?

[00:27:59] I like how he always looks like a white guy.

[00:28:02] Yeah.

[00:28:02] That's weird, isn't it?

[00:28:03] That is weird.

[00:28:04] It is.

[00:28:05] Why do you now cry aloud?

[00:28:07] Have you no king?

[00:28:09] Has your ruler perished that pain seizes you like that of a woman in labor?

[00:28:14] You know, my favorite comparison of pain.

[00:28:16] Yeah.

[00:28:17] Writhe in agony, daughter Zion, like a woman in labor for now you must leave the city to

[00:28:23] camp in the open field.

[00:28:26] I thought he was just talking about bringing back the remnant.

[00:28:28] Yeah, but now he's like, now we're killing people and they're writhing in pain.

[00:28:32] I don't know.

[00:28:32] Okay.

[00:28:32] I forgot to pay attention and care.

[00:28:34] Losing track of what's going on because it seems all over the place.

[00:28:37] I'm going to have to do some Q&A on this.

[00:28:39] Yeah.

[00:28:39] I don't know what's happening.

[00:28:40] Right.

[00:28:41] You will go to Babylon there.

[00:28:43] You will be rescued.

[00:28:44] Oh, this was an edited version.

[00:28:47] Hmm.

[00:28:48] Well, so this was an edited version.

[00:28:50] This is edited.

[00:28:51] How do you know?

[00:28:52] Because we were talking about the Assyrians in previous chapters, if we were talking about

[00:28:57] anybody.

[00:28:58] And now we're talking about Babylon.

[00:29:00] Okay.

[00:29:01] And the Babylonian exile is where they want this to happen because more things of what

[00:29:06] Micah says match up as far as prophecies with the Babylonian exile than they do with

[00:29:11] the time that he was in.

[00:29:12] Got it.

[00:29:12] So maybe he said Babylon, but more than likely this is edited to fit the fact that they want

[00:29:20] this to portray the Babylonian exile timeframe.

[00:29:22] I didn't know that.

[00:29:24] Well, it was something you kind of went over when we got introduced.

[00:29:26] That was something that you kind of covered.

[00:29:27] But I didn't know that.

[00:29:29] I just extrapolated that idea from what you said.

[00:29:31] I didn't realize that there were edits like that and that you would be like, that's edited.

[00:29:37] Like, I didn't know.

[00:29:38] Oh, I don't know for sure.

[00:29:39] I'm just guessing.

[00:29:41] But that's what I'm saying.

[00:29:43] I'm like, oh, I didn't know that was a thing.

[00:29:45] And you're just like, yeah, that was edited.

[00:29:47] And I'm like, oh, no.

[00:29:49] I. Okay.

[00:29:49] Let me clarify.

[00:29:50] I don't know that that was edited.

[00:29:51] Okay.

[00:29:52] It seems like it could have been and probably was.

[00:29:55] Okay.

[00:29:55] I don't disagree with you there.

[00:29:57] All right.

[00:29:58] But it was.

[00:29:58] You said it's a matter of fact.

[00:30:00] You're right.

[00:30:00] I should.

[00:30:01] I should refrain from truisms when I'm speaking about the Bible in any sense.

[00:30:06] In any sense.

[00:30:07] Yeah.

[00:30:07] Anyway, there the Lord will redeem you out of the hand of your enemies.

[00:30:12] Oh, we got enemies again.

[00:30:13] But now many nations are gathered against you.

[00:30:16] I thought we were at peace.

[00:30:18] We never get peace.

[00:30:19] I thought God was going to bring the peace.

[00:30:20] Oof.

[00:30:21] Remember, he was going to bring all the nations together, right?

[00:30:23] Yeah.

[00:30:23] But then he had to save the remnant and then he brought wrath and destruction.

[00:30:28] And then now he's saving them again from Babylon.

[00:30:31] You.

[00:30:31] They say, let her be defiled.

[00:30:34] Let our eyes gloat over Zion.

[00:30:43] Oh.

[00:30:45] Oh.

[00:30:45] Bringing in the sheaves.

[00:30:47] Bringing in the sheaves.

[00:30:49] Bringing in the sheaves.

[00:30:50] Rise and thrash, daughter Zion, for I will give you horns of iron.

[00:30:55] I will give you hooves of bronze and you will break to pieces many nations.

[00:31:00] That sounds familiar.

[00:31:02] Remember that statue that had the 12 pieces or whatever?

[00:31:04] Mm-hmm.

[00:31:05] That's similar.

[00:31:06] Like, because there was multiple different metals.

[00:31:08] Yeah.

[00:31:09] And they broke it like it was broken.

[00:31:10] Yeah.

[00:31:11] And it represented different nations.

[00:31:13] So.

[00:31:13] That's interesting.

[00:31:14] Yeah.

[00:31:14] I wonder if that...

[00:31:15] Okay, this chapter specifically.

[00:31:17] We need some cue.

[00:31:18] Need some diving into.

[00:31:20] Because this is kind of...

[00:31:22] I don't get any of it.

[00:31:23] There's something going on here.

[00:31:24] There's something happening.

[00:31:25] What is going on?

[00:31:26] There's definitely something happening.

[00:31:27] All right.

[00:31:28] Final sentence.

[00:31:28] All right.

[00:31:29] You will devote their ill-gotten gains to the Lord, their wealth to the Lord of all

[00:31:34] the earth.

[00:31:34] The end.

[00:31:35] I see.

[00:31:36] It's easy for a prophet to say.

[00:31:38] Right.

[00:31:38] Who's going to receive that wealth for them?

[00:31:41] You see?

[00:31:41] Because I do not.

[00:31:42] I bet it's going to be the prophets.

[00:31:44] You will devote their ill-gotten gains to the Lord.

[00:31:47] Anytime you say to the Lord, fill in the blank with whatever leader of the church

[00:31:51] is.

[00:31:51] It's going to be the Joel Osteens.

[00:31:53] Yeah.

[00:31:53] It's going to be the whoever.

[00:31:54] Yeah.

[00:31:55] The guy that's on your TV asking for millions for his playing.

[00:32:00] You've seen that fucker's church and what he drives and all this.

[00:32:03] He wears makeup.

[00:32:03] He's got a personal fucking plane.

[00:32:04] He wears so much makeup.

[00:32:06] I'm like, you have no business speaking for the Lord.

[00:32:09] No.

[00:32:09] Quote unquote.

[00:32:10] Because my God, you have more money than fucking God.

[00:32:15] Yeah.

[00:32:15] You are.

[00:32:17] That's ridiculous.

[00:32:18] The amount of wealth that you show is ridiculous.

[00:32:22] That's the part that I don't get.

[00:32:24] Not only does he have all that wealth, he shows it off.

[00:32:27] Like if I was going to be a quote unquote false prophet, there is no way in hell I'd be flashy

[00:32:35] with my money that I dug out of the fucking donation dish.

[00:32:40] But there's nothing more American than the prosperity gospel.

[00:32:43] You've heard of the prosperity gospel, right?

[00:32:44] If you're rich, you're godly.

[00:32:46] And the more godly.

[00:32:48] Essentially, they justify being rich through the Bible.

[00:32:51] Yeah.

[00:32:51] Like they find.

[00:32:51] God wants me to have money.

[00:32:53] Yeah.

[00:32:53] And if you have money, you've been rewarded by God.

[00:32:57] That's, you know, like that these are.

[00:32:58] You're supposed to have it.

[00:32:59] And of course, that ties into it's also very.

[00:33:02] God loves America because we're capitalists and we love money here.

[00:33:06] So it's all about money.

[00:33:08] You know, it's all about the wealth you can acquire because God made that possible for us.

[00:33:13] Yeah.

[00:33:14] And I'm like, no, you just want to be real fucking rich, real bad.

[00:33:17] And you love asking people to give up their hard earned cash to send to you.

[00:33:21] Yeah, that's all.

[00:33:22] And you know what?

[00:33:23] If you if you push the American dream, people have been, you know, indoctrinated into this

[00:33:30] belief that America in America, you can be anything and everything you ever wanted to

[00:33:34] be.

[00:33:35] And if you don't, it's your own fault.

[00:33:36] And I'm not saying that you can't rise up.

[00:33:38] You can rise up.

[00:33:39] I mean, Hamilton is saying about it.

[00:33:41] Rise up.

[00:33:42] Yeah.

[00:33:43] Yeah.

[00:33:43] But but the truth is that right now, especially in the current political slash economic climate

[00:33:51] that we're in, it's not as possible as a lot of people think it is.

[00:33:55] Yeah, it's not easy.

[00:33:57] Yeah, it's not.

[00:33:58] It's not just a matter of like, it's not your ass off.

[00:34:00] It's not as easy as it was in, say, the 80s.

[00:34:03] Right now, you have to have some real ingenuity these days.

[00:34:06] And and furthermore, it's going to get probably harder before it gets easier.

[00:34:10] And it takes money to make money, too.

[00:34:13] Yeah.

[00:34:14] Again, I'm not saying you can't make a name for yourself out of nothing.

[00:34:17] It happens.

[00:34:18] And we push those stories forward all the time because we make the five representative

[00:34:24] of the whole.

[00:34:25] Yes, because it's the fairy tale.

[00:34:27] It's the fairy tale.

[00:34:28] Yeah.

[00:34:28] And it's the the propaganda mechanism to keep people in their place and doing the work

[00:34:33] they're doing.

[00:34:34] Right.

[00:34:34] Right.

[00:34:34] If you think you can get ahead, then you'll you'll just keep showing up to work.

[00:34:40] You'll keep doing the things you need to do, because if you work hard enough, damn it,

[00:34:44] you're going to be able to have that slice of the American pie.

[00:34:46] Yeah.

[00:34:47] You know?

[00:34:47] Yeah.

[00:34:48] And that's just how it works.

[00:34:49] You'll get a deluxe apartment in the sky.

[00:34:53] The truth is, it doesn't work that way.

[00:34:55] No, but no.

[00:34:57] Now we're now we're going back into politics.

[00:34:58] And we're supposed to be talking about God.

[00:35:00] God sucks.

[00:35:01] God's a dick.

[00:35:02] That's all.

[00:35:02] And I don't know what the fuck this chapter is about.

[00:35:04] And I'm looking forward to finding out what it was about.

[00:35:06] It was about bullshit or.

[00:35:09] Yeah, it was.

[00:35:10] Yeah.

[00:35:10] We'll figure it out.

[00:35:11] All right.

[00:35:12] Well, that was Micah chapter three, four, four, four, four.

[00:35:17] And that means that I think we're just going to, we haven't really discussed this.

[00:35:22] Are we going to finish the book before we do our weekly wrap up and all that kind of

[00:35:25] stuff?

[00:35:25] Or are we going to break it into sections?

[00:35:28] Let's do two Q and A's.

[00:35:30] So let's let our new, our next episode be a Q and A over chapters one through four.

[00:35:37] I like that.

[00:35:37] And then let's have chapters five, six, and seven.

[00:35:42] We'll have a Q and A slash wrap up of the book.

[00:35:46] Got it.

[00:35:46] Okay.

[00:35:47] How's that sound?

[00:35:47] I think that sounds good.

[00:35:48] And especially since there's so many questions about the specific chapter.

[00:35:51] About chapter four.

[00:35:51] Yeah.

[00:35:52] So that sounds like a good plan to me.

[00:35:54] Okay.

[00:35:54] So that being said, I guess we will be back tomorrow.

[00:35:58] With a Q and A.

[00:35:59] With a Q and A.

[00:36:00] Over chapters one through four of Micah.

[00:36:02] Perfect.

[00:36:02] All right.

[00:36:03] We'll see you guys then.

[00:36:03] Bye.

[00:36:04] Bye.

[00:36:04] Bye.