Obadiah: Bible Study by Atheists

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[00:00:49] Do you know what we're doing today?

[00:00:52] Well, we are starting a new book of the Bible.

[00:00:55] Sure as fuck are!

[00:00:55] Yeah, so what are we doing today?

[00:00:58] We're gonna start Obadiah!

[00:00:59] And what else are we gonna do today?

[00:01:01] We're gonna finish Obadiah!

[00:01:04] Yeah, it took you on that.

[00:01:04] I was like, what?

[00:01:06] We have a plan?

[00:01:07] What?

[00:01:07] I thought for a second I was like, did we plan a plan?

[00:01:11] What's a plan?

[00:01:13] It's just a short book.

[00:01:14] It's just funny.

[00:01:15] It's literally one page.

[00:01:17] Not one page front and back.

[00:01:19] No.

[00:01:19] Just the front of one page.

[00:01:21] Right, right.

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[00:02:01] So, we actually called Frederick today.

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[00:02:07] No, it was a great conversation.

[00:02:08] We talked for like an hour and it was really amazing.

[00:02:12] And I just wanna read something from them that they wrote when they joined.

[00:02:19] So, he says,

[00:02:21] Proud Appalachian, Appalachian?

[00:02:24] Appalachian.

[00:02:25] Atheist here.

[00:02:26] Former Pentecostal holiness, snake handling, tongue speaking, faith healing, fire and brimstone preaching preacher.

[00:02:32] Turned gay heathen.

[00:02:34] Often I find myself bitching at you all as the former apologetic, not that I believe what I'm saying, just to entertain myself.

[00:02:42] I wish I could have experienced something like this during my deconstruction days.

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[00:03:00] There's more, but I thought that was a great little bit there.

[00:03:04] Yeah.

[00:03:04] That is so perfect.

[00:03:05] And perfect for the times too, because now more than ever, as the saying goes, we really do need to fight the good fight.

[00:03:14] And it's daunting, you know, with what we're up against.

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[00:04:50] So just one last time.

[00:04:51] Thank you, Frederick.

[00:04:52] Thank you so much, Frederick.

[00:04:54] Really, very much.

[00:04:55] And that being said, are you ready to hop into the beginning and end of Obadiah?

[00:05:01] Sure as fuck am.

[00:05:02] All right, let's do this.

[00:05:03] Okie dokie.

[00:05:09] All right, let's hop into Obadiah.

[00:05:12] Let's do it.

[00:05:12] Okay, but before we hop into Obadiah.

[00:05:15] Okay.

[00:05:15] I thought I'd give a little bit of who dat.

[00:05:18] Yeah, sure.

[00:05:19] Or as the Bengals say, who day.

[00:05:21] I mean, we are in Dayton, Ohio, so that is relevant to us anyway.

[00:05:26] Yeah.

[00:05:26] Yeah.

[00:05:27] So this whole book, chapter one book.

[00:05:33] Yep.

[00:05:33] Is about judgment against Israel's brother, the humbling of Edom.

[00:05:39] Oh, okay.

[00:05:40] Yeah.

[00:05:40] So we're going to bitch at the Edomites some more.

[00:05:43] So we got a whole book of the Bible dedicated to bitching at the Edomites?

[00:05:47] To be fair, it's only a page.

[00:05:48] So, yes.

[00:05:49] Yeah, I got it.

[00:05:51] The book of Obadiah is a prophecy concerning the fall and the subsequent divine judgment

[00:05:58] of Edom, a mountain-dwelling nation whose founding father was?

[00:06:03] Edom?

[00:06:04] Esau.

[00:06:05] Esau.

[00:06:05] Yeah.

[00:06:06] I don't know.

[00:06:06] Why didn't you put me on the spot like that?

[00:06:08] Wife looks at me like she wants me to answer the question.

[00:06:11] I'm like, I don't fucking know.

[00:06:12] I wanted you to guess.

[00:06:13] Who was it?

[00:06:13] Or a lot of times you do remember.

[00:06:16] Got it.

[00:06:17] Yeah.

[00:06:17] Esau.

[00:06:18] And that was Jacob's brother.

[00:06:20] Right.

[00:06:20] So.

[00:06:20] Yeah, yeah.

[00:06:21] You know, the one who actually should have got the birthright, if we're being honest.

[00:06:24] Right.

[00:06:25] The hairy dude.

[00:06:26] Yeah.

[00:06:27] That's the one.

[00:06:27] You know, because.

[00:06:28] No, I remember.

[00:06:29] Yeah.

[00:06:29] Okay.

[00:06:29] Yeah.

[00:06:30] He put the, what was it?

[00:06:31] Some other.

[00:06:32] Jacob put some hairy animal arm skin on himself.

[00:06:35] He created hairy hair for him.

[00:06:37] To steal the birthright.

[00:06:38] Yeah.

[00:06:38] Yeah.

[00:06:39] Right.

[00:06:39] So authorship of this book is attributed to Obadiah, who describes an encounter with

[00:06:45] Yahweh.

[00:06:46] However, didn't get very far.

[00:06:49] The date of composition is disputed and is difficult to determine due to the lack of personal

[00:06:56] information about Obadiah, his family, and his historical background, given that, again,

[00:07:02] this entire book is only one page.

[00:07:04] Go figure.

[00:07:05] One, you know, a book of the Bible and a writer in the Bible is hard to verify and may or may

[00:07:09] not have lived when they thought they lived or.

[00:07:12] And we have no idea when.

[00:07:13] Right.

[00:07:13] Yeah.

[00:07:14] It's only one page long.

[00:07:16] Yeah.

[00:07:16] Yeah.

[00:07:16] The date must therefore be estimated, of course, based on the words within the prophecy itself.

[00:07:24] Okay.

[00:07:24] Okay.

[00:07:24] So Edom in this chapter is about to be destroyed due to its lack of defense for its brother nation,

[00:07:31] Israel, which, I mean, that's what we've been reading about thus far.

[00:07:34] Yeah.

[00:07:34] Yeah.

[00:07:35] And that was when it was under attack.

[00:07:38] So there are two major historical contexts within which the Edomites could have committed

[00:07:44] this act.

[00:07:45] Okay.

[00:07:45] Okay.

[00:07:45] So knowing that helps us place it with either one or the other.

[00:07:51] And historians prefer one to the other.

[00:07:56] Got it.

[00:07:56] If I had to guess, we're talking about either the Syrian invasion or the Babylonian invasion.

[00:08:01] Oh, my God.

[00:08:02] You're smart.

[00:08:03] Yeah.

[00:08:03] And if I had to guess also, based on where it is in the Bible, probably they choose the

[00:08:08] Syrian invasion.

[00:08:09] Let's read this a little bit and find out.

[00:08:12] Okay.

[00:08:12] All right.

[00:08:12] So the first time period was 853 to 841 BCE when Jerusalem was being invaded by the Philistines

[00:08:22] and Arabs during the reign of Jehoram of Judah.

[00:08:25] And that bit was described in Kings chapter 8 and 2 Chronicles chapter 21.

[00:08:36] Okay.

[00:08:37] Or the other time period was during 607 to 586 BCE when Jerusalem was attacked by Nebuchadnezzar

[00:08:47] of Babylon, which led to the Babylonian exile of Israel as described in Psalm 137.

[00:08:54] Okay.

[00:08:54] Okay.

[00:08:55] Yeah.

[00:08:55] The earlier time period places Obadiah as a contemporary of the prophet Elijah.

[00:09:02] Right.

[00:09:02] And the later date places Obadiah as a contemporary of the prophet Jeremiah, which scholars agree

[00:09:10] is the most likely since Obadiah 1 through 9 actually parallels Jeremiah chapter 49 verses

[00:09:19] 7 through 22.

[00:09:20] Oh, okay.

[00:09:21] A passage that dates from the fourth year of the reign of Jehoakim.

[00:09:26] I always say it wrong.

[00:09:28] In 604 BCE.

[00:09:30] Okay.

[00:09:31] Okay.

[00:09:31] So Obadiah 11 through 14 seems to refer to the destruction of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar

[00:09:37] in 586 BCE.

[00:09:40] Okay.

[00:09:40] Okay.

[00:09:40] So that's the guess.

[00:09:42] Got it.

[00:09:42] It's more likely that Obadiah and the book of Jeremiah together were drawing on a common

[00:09:49] source presently unknown than that Jeremiah drew on previous writings of Obadiah as its

[00:09:58] source.

[00:09:59] Got it.

[00:09:59] So it's more likely what I'm saying is if Obadiah had been written during that earlier

[00:10:05] time.

[00:10:06] Yeah.

[00:10:06] Then Jeremiah would have been basing his writings on Obadiah.

[00:10:10] Got it.

[00:10:11] And that's not very likely.

[00:10:13] It's more likely since they parallel each other that they were written during the same time

[00:10:18] period drawing on a similar source.

[00:10:21] Okay.

[00:10:21] Okay.

[00:10:21] All right.

[00:10:22] So there is also a lot of material in Obadiah chapters or I'm sorry verses 10 through 21

[00:10:29] that would very much have suited Jeremiah.

[00:10:32] Got it.

[00:10:33] So that are things that Jeremiah would very much approve of having been written had he

[00:10:37] written them himself.

[00:10:39] Got it.

[00:10:39] So that's when we think.

[00:10:41] Okay.

[00:10:42] Yeah.

[00:10:42] And I just wanted to give that little intro before we hop into this very not long chapter.

[00:10:49] Got it.

[00:10:49] Okay.

[00:10:49] You ready?

[00:10:50] I'm ready.

[00:10:51] Obadiah chapter one.

[00:10:52] All right.

[00:10:52] The only chapter.

[00:10:53] Yeah.

[00:10:54] Okay.

[00:10:54] The vision of Obadiah.

[00:10:57] Okay.

[00:10:57] This is what the sovereign Lord says about Edom.

[00:11:01] We have heard a message from the Lord.

[00:11:03] Yes, we have.

[00:11:04] Haven't we?

[00:11:05] I mean, we've heard a few.

[00:11:06] A couple in this book.

[00:11:08] We have.

[00:11:08] Yeah.

[00:11:08] Right.

[00:11:09] An envoy was sent to the nations to say, rise, let us go against her for battle.

[00:11:15] See, I will make you small among the nations.

[00:11:18] You will be utterly despised.

[00:11:20] The pride of your heart has deceived you.

[00:11:23] You who live in the clefts of the rocks and make your home on the heights.

[00:11:28] You who say to yourself, who can bring me down to the ground?

[00:11:32] Though you soar like the eagle.

[00:11:35] Star like the eagle.

[00:11:36] There's something wrong with dwelling in the mountains.

[00:11:40] Into the future.

[00:11:41] That's a bad thing.

[00:11:42] I.

[00:11:43] Seems like it, maybe.

[00:11:44] Well, I mean, high places.

[00:11:45] Yeah.

[00:11:46] Okay.

[00:11:46] Sure.

[00:11:47] Whatever.

[00:11:48] Though you soar like the eagle into the future and make your nest among the stars.

[00:11:53] All the stars in the sky.

[00:11:55] From there, I will bring you down, declares the Lord.

[00:11:58] Of course he will.

[00:11:58] Yeah.

[00:11:59] I don't like.

[00:11:59] That's what he does.

[00:12:00] That's what God does best.

[00:12:01] I don't like anybody being happy.

[00:12:03] No.

[00:12:03] Fuck those happy happies.

[00:12:05] Right.

[00:12:05] If thieves came to you, if robbers in the night, oh, what a disaster waits you.

[00:12:12] Would they not steal only as much as they wanted?

[00:12:15] If grape pickers came to you, would they not leave a few grapes?

[00:12:20] But how Esau will be ransacked.

[00:12:24] His hidden treasures pillaged.

[00:12:26] Those fuckers.

[00:12:28] All your allies will force you to the border.

[00:12:31] Your friends will deceive and overpower you.

[00:12:33] Those who eat your bread will set a trap for you.

[00:12:36] But you will not detect it.

[00:12:38] Na-na-na-na-boo-boo.

[00:12:39] I mean, this is, I just don't understand.

[00:12:42] God loves to tell people, hey, you're going to be destroyed.

[00:12:46] I know.

[00:12:48] You're not going to even know it's going to happen and you're going to be destroyed.

[00:12:51] Yep.

[00:12:52] Death is a common na-na-na-na-na-na-boo.

[00:12:54] But it's never for anything that justifies.

[00:12:56] Like, I mean, okay, look.

[00:12:58] There's nothing that justifies people dying.

[00:13:01] Right.

[00:13:01] Unless you're fighting someone specifically to keep them from killing you.

[00:13:06] Right.

[00:13:06] Like that, there is nothing really that, in my mind, rises to the level of these groups

[00:13:12] of people deserve to die.

[00:13:14] Right.

[00:13:14] Right.

[00:13:14] But all throughout the Bible, we talk about how God thinks these groups of people deserve

[00:13:21] to die.

[00:13:21] Yeah.

[00:13:22] And it's just, it's disgusting to me.

[00:13:24] Here's the thing.

[00:13:25] I can see how people can get there.

[00:13:28] Because let me just present you with this example.

[00:13:31] Okay.

[00:13:32] What are those movies that Keanu Reeves is in where he's a gangster because he's trying

[00:13:37] to, and he's trying to get out of it, but somebody kills his dog, right?

[00:13:40] That his wife gave him before she died.

[00:13:42] Yeah.

[00:13:42] That was, oh my God.

[00:13:44] What if there's four of them?

[00:13:45] What are they fucking called?

[00:13:46] I completely am drawing.

[00:13:48] We just talked about this last night.

[00:13:49] I know.

[00:13:50] And now I'm drawing a complete blank.

[00:13:51] Okay.

[00:13:51] But everybody knows the Keanu Reeves movie where his dog died.

[00:13:55] Right.

[00:13:56] Right.

[00:13:56] Yeah.

[00:13:56] And then there's four movies of him going after all the other gangsters because they're all

[00:14:02] coming after him because he killed the guy who killed his dog and that like turned on

[00:14:06] a gang war.

[00:14:07] What the fuck ever.

[00:14:08] Yeah.

[00:14:08] So four movies because his wife died and left him a dog that a gangster killed.

[00:14:13] Okay.

[00:14:14] Yeah.

[00:14:14] And we're all like, yeah, get him Keanu Reeves.

[00:14:18] And we're all like cheering it on.

[00:14:20] Now I love those fucking movies.

[00:14:22] They're very violent.

[00:14:24] They're somewhat gory.

[00:14:27] They're not, um, not a lot of like sex and boobs in it and stuff.

[00:14:31] So that's cool.

[00:14:32] John Wick.

[00:14:33] John Wick.

[00:14:34] There you go.

[00:14:34] Yeah.

[00:14:35] Thank you.

[00:14:36] But I mean, we are, as we watched the movie, cheering on him killing other people.

[00:14:44] That's true.

[00:14:45] That's not to say we want to see that in real life.

[00:14:47] Right.

[00:14:48] But the fact that we all think that movies like that are entertaining and good fun doesn't

[00:14:54] necessarily speak well of us as a people.

[00:14:59] You know what I'm saying?

[00:15:00] Again, I'm saying that as a huge fan of both Keanu Reeves and John Wick movies.

[00:15:06] Okay.

[00:15:07] All right.

[00:15:07] I mean, I see your point, but, and, and, you know, I, I guess in, in society's slash our

[00:15:14] defense, right?

[00:15:15] We see the people that these folks that we cheer when they kill them, that they deserved

[00:15:20] it.

[00:15:20] Right.

[00:15:21] Sure.

[00:15:21] Which, which, okay.

[00:15:22] Okay.

[00:15:23] So in the Bible, they, I'm playing, you're playing this up here.

[00:15:26] Yeah.

[00:15:26] Play the game.

[00:15:27] So in the Bible, they, they view that these people deserve this.

[00:15:31] Sure.

[00:15:31] Right.

[00:15:31] So they, they cheer on these deaths and these, uh, conquerings and what have you.

[00:15:36] Yeah.

[00:15:36] Right.

[00:15:37] I'm not trying to say it's right.

[00:15:39] I'm trying to say, are we really the ones who want to cast those stones?

[00:15:45] Because it's, it's not a very far drop in my mind.

[00:15:50] Yeah.

[00:15:50] No, I, I, I see where you're coming, but my only argument to that, it would be that this

[00:15:56] is a God doing this, right?

[00:15:58] A quote unquote, perfect God.

[00:16:00] One that is supposed to know our hearts, know everybody, know everything about everybody

[00:16:04] and know how everything works.

[00:16:05] Right.

[00:16:06] And yet this God who is apparently perfect takes glee, takes joy in these deaths and continues

[00:16:16] to do them, even though he might be able to find, probably should be able to find a different

[00:16:19] way around it.

[00:16:21] Given the fact that he's a God.

[00:16:22] Sure.

[00:16:23] That's all.

[00:16:24] No.

[00:16:24] Sorry.

[00:16:24] And that would be my only argument.

[00:16:26] And I get you, you made a good point.

[00:16:28] I mean, that's, that's if you are arguing with a theist, right?

[00:16:34] Sure.

[00:16:34] If you're arguing with a theist, it's like, yeah, but your God is so violent, blah, blah,

[00:16:38] blah.

[00:16:38] But if you're just arguing with somebody else who's defending the Bible, then it's like

[00:16:44] that God is clearly based on man and man is violent.

[00:16:47] Right.

[00:16:48] No, I mean, yeah, no, then that's, that's exactly right.

[00:16:51] Right.

[00:16:51] I mean, I think that's, and we walk the line about talking about both of those sides of

[00:16:56] things where either we're, we're talking about God's point of view, or we're talking about

[00:17:01] the fact that it was written by man.

[00:17:02] Right.

[00:17:02] And if we are talking about the fact that it was written by man, it reflects.

[00:17:06] Man's violence.

[00:17:07] Yeah.

[00:17:08] Which is.

[00:17:08] Reflects why we enjoy John Wick movies.

[00:17:11] Yeah.

[00:17:12] Even when we know better as you and I do.

[00:17:15] Right.

[00:17:16] No, that's, yeah, you can enjoy.

[00:17:18] I mean, I don't support the death penalty.

[00:17:20] Right.

[00:17:20] Yet I do enjoy the John Wick movies.

[00:17:22] Yeah.

[00:17:22] So, I mean, you know, it's.

[00:17:23] That's why I thought it was a great example, because we are supposed to so sympathize with

[00:17:28] his character.

[00:17:29] I mean, he was in this lifestyle and walked away from it and clearly, you know, is a good

[00:17:34] guy on the right side.

[00:17:35] And his character is presented as, you know, having loved his wife so much that, you know,

[00:17:41] he wanted to disappear inside of himself.

[00:17:43] And she knew that.

[00:17:44] So that's why she left him a dog.

[00:17:46] Yeah.

[00:17:46] And he did love that fucking dog so much that that's why he was heartbroken.

[00:17:51] Like, it's such a sympathetic character that it is the best example of, yeah, we want him

[00:17:57] to kill those guys.

[00:17:59] Right.

[00:17:59] And that that is not nice.

[00:18:02] That is not good.

[00:18:03] Yeah.

[00:18:03] You know, I have such mixed feelings about it because I have to, you know, put on my

[00:18:11] audience enjoying just a good story hat and take off my moral person with a decent heart

[00:18:19] who wants to treat people correctly, even when they don't deserve it hat.

[00:18:23] Right.

[00:18:24] Yeah.

[00:18:25] No, that was an excellent point.

[00:18:26] Thank you.

[00:18:28] Oh, my gosh.

[00:18:29] You're giving me that that glow.

[00:18:31] Oh, my gosh.

[00:18:33] All right.

[00:18:33] So God continues, you know, this perfect loving God who is extremely violent.

[00:18:38] Yeah.

[00:18:39] In that day.

[00:18:40] He declares the Lord.

[00:18:42] Will I not destroy the wise men of Edom, those of understanding in the mountains of Esau?

[00:18:47] No, you probably will.

[00:18:51] Your warriors, Taman, will be terrified and everyone in Esau's mountains will be cut down

[00:18:58] in the slaughter.

[00:19:01] I mean, the evil laughter just has to follow up, right?

[00:19:04] Right.

[00:19:05] Now, I don't know what Taman or Taman is.

[00:19:07] I'm assuming we'll find out in our Q&A.

[00:19:09] Probably.

[00:19:09] Yeah.

[00:19:10] It's a place.

[00:19:11] Right.

[00:19:11] That's all.

[00:19:12] Okay.

[00:19:13] Because of the violence against your brother, Jacob.

[00:19:15] Jacob, I'm mad at you.

[00:19:18] Oh, wait.

[00:19:19] Your brother, Jacob, because you were mean to Israel.

[00:19:22] Yeah.

[00:19:23] And didn't help them.

[00:19:23] Right.

[00:19:24] You will be covered with shame.

[00:19:25] You will be destroyed forever.

[00:19:27] The way he said that, like, I thought that just for a second that he was like literally

[00:19:31] talking to Esau and his brother, Jacob.

[00:19:35] And I was like, wait, you're mad at Esau in that?

[00:19:37] Right.

[00:19:38] That was Jacob.

[00:19:39] I do think it's funny the way he says that he'll be covered by shame.

[00:19:42] You'll be destroyed forever.

[00:19:43] Yeah.

[00:19:43] Right?

[00:19:44] Like, which is it?

[00:19:45] Yeah.

[00:19:45] Are you going to kill everybody or are you going to cover them in shame?

[00:19:48] Which we all know you're not going to kill everybody.

[00:19:50] Well, he says destroyed forever.

[00:19:52] That doesn't necessarily mean dead.

[00:19:54] Like, there are worse things than death.

[00:19:57] Yeah.

[00:19:57] Right.

[00:19:58] Yeah.

[00:19:58] I mean, they're going to be conquered for sure.

[00:20:00] Right?

[00:20:01] Yeah.

[00:20:01] That's what's going to happen.

[00:20:02] Yeah.

[00:20:03] On the day you stood aloof while strangers carried off his wealth and foreigners entered

[00:20:08] his gates and cast lots for Jerusalem, you were like one of them.

[00:20:13] Yeah.

[00:20:13] So, like, not only did you let the bad guys take the city that is your brother, you helped.

[00:20:20] You looted them, too.

[00:20:22] Yeah.

[00:20:22] You fuckface.

[00:20:24] Yeah.

[00:20:24] I mean, yeah, that's not nice.

[00:20:26] But, you know, but then you have to ask, but what did Israel do to Esau or Edomites?

[00:20:32] You know, come on now.

[00:20:33] Well, I think we talked about this whenever we were talking about the whole Babylonian

[00:20:36] invasion before, and that's that there's this large power coming down on these people, right?

[00:20:41] Mm-hmm.

[00:20:41] And the groups that decided to side with them, do you really blame them?

[00:20:47] Like, I mean—

[00:20:48] I don't know enough about it.

[00:20:49] I'm going to say no, though.

[00:20:51] Right.

[00:20:51] Well, I mean, if you are—if your options are be destroyed and enslaved or join, you know,

[00:20:57] I don't know how bad you can feel about the choice that someone makes in that moment, you

[00:21:02] know?

[00:21:03] Right.

[00:21:03] Like, you have an option of living or dying, essentially, or being enslaved.

[00:21:07] I mean, to a more modern and lesser violent degree, it's like looking at somebody who is—who

[00:21:19] was a draft dodger and didn't want to go to war and fight in Vietnam, but, you know, didn't

[00:21:28] want to sell their soul.

[00:21:29] But we look at them now and we're like, like, okay, during that time—you're giving me that

[00:21:34] look and I fucking hate it.

[00:21:37] No, I'm just—I don't know.

[00:21:37] I hate it when you—

[00:21:37] I don't know where you're going with this at all.

[00:21:39] I'm trying to tell you.

[00:21:40] Okay.

[00:21:40] All right.

[00:21:40] Get the look off your face.

[00:21:42] All right.

[00:21:42] All right.

[00:21:43] So, um, the point I'm trying to make is somebody has choices, right?

[00:21:48] And their choice is to go one way or the other way and then be judged in history forever for

[00:21:55] the choice that they made.

[00:21:56] Right.

[00:21:56] And, like, during the time, everybody looked at the draft dodger as the piece of shit,

[00:22:01] but now we look back and we're a lot more sympathetic and we're like, Jesus, I don't

[00:22:06] want to, you know, go over and fight.

[00:22:09] Ew.

[00:22:09] Yeah.

[00:22:10] Especially now that we know, like, it's very public knowledge that it was not a good fight.

[00:22:15] It was not our fight and, you know, there was no winning that fight.

[00:22:20] Yeah.

[00:22:20] It still wouldn't be taken well in the—like, if you were a politician running for office,

[00:22:24] though.

[00:22:24] Yeah.

[00:22:25] So it's still not looked on great, but it does—

[00:22:27] But by the common man, though.

[00:22:29] Yeah.

[00:22:29] It does have a—yeah.

[00:22:30] Like, by the common man, the common man who might be in that guy's pants and have to

[00:22:36] make that choice, do you want to go over there?

[00:22:41] No.

[00:22:41] You don't, do you?

[00:22:42] That's why you didn't fucking enlist.

[00:22:44] Right?

[00:22:45] Right.

[00:22:45] Like, I guess to that degree, everyone who didn't enlist has been a draft dodger, right?

[00:22:51] Otherwise, you would have enlisted, right?

[00:22:53] Uh, not necessarily.

[00:22:55] I'm just saying, like, we could take that to—that—

[00:22:58] Sure.

[00:22:59] That would be my argument.

[00:23:00] If somebody was coming down on me, like, well, you didn't fucking serve in the military

[00:23:05] either.

[00:23:06] Why are you coming down on me, asshole?

[00:23:08] Right.

[00:23:08] You know?

[00:23:08] That would be my response.

[00:23:10] Sure.

[00:23:10] But the point I was trying to make is we're judging this nation way later, and you're asking

[00:23:18] the right question.

[00:23:19] Like, what were the choices, though?

[00:23:21] Right.

[00:23:21] And that's the point that I was trying to make about, say, a more modern example that

[00:23:29] is not the same, but is a person facing choices.

[00:23:33] Got it.

[00:23:33] And being stuck in, you know, what am I going to do?

[00:23:37] Sure.

[00:23:37] You know?

[00:23:38] Yeah.

[00:23:38] All right.

[00:23:39] Not the best example, but it was what came down my mind.

[00:23:41] No, I didn't know where you were going with it.

[00:23:42] That's all I just—

[00:23:43] I know, but your face was like, you're dumb.

[00:23:47] No.

[00:23:48] It was.

[00:23:49] You were giving me—

[00:23:50] I just didn't know where you were going with it.

[00:23:51] I know, and your face was like, you're dumb.

[00:23:55] No.

[00:23:56] Okay.

[00:23:56] Well, if you say so.

[00:23:58] You should not gloat over your brother in the day of his misfortune, nor rejoice over

[00:24:03] the people of Judah in the day of their destruction, nor boast over—or boast so much in the day of their trouble.

[00:24:11] So stop.

[00:24:12] Stop boasting.

[00:24:13] All that boasting is so boastful.

[00:24:16] Right.

[00:24:16] We hate that, don't we?

[00:24:17] Yeah.

[00:24:18] Yeah.

[00:24:18] You should not march through the gates of my people in the day of their disaster.

[00:24:23] Don't do that.

[00:24:23] Yeah, don't do that.

[00:24:24] Nor gloat over them in their calamity in the day of their disaster.

[00:24:28] Nor seize their wealth in the day of their disaster.

[00:24:32] So stop.

[00:24:32] Basically, you know, don't do the things in the day of their disaster.

[00:24:35] You can do them on a different day, though.

[00:24:36] Yeah.

[00:24:36] Totally.

[00:24:38] Tuesdays are good.

[00:24:38] Tuesdays.

[00:24:40] Every other Tuesday.

[00:24:41] You should not wait at the crossroads to cut down their fugitives.

[00:24:45] Oh, my God.

[00:24:47] Nor hand over their survivors in the day of their trouble.

[00:24:50] Wow.

[00:24:52] Okay.

[00:24:54] Anyway.

[00:24:55] Well, I mean, like, they basically helped out.

[00:24:58] This is still them helping out whoever it was, the Babylonians or whatever.

[00:25:01] And, like, if people were trying to seek refuge in their land, they turned them over.

[00:25:07] Because if they didn't, they probably were going to face repercussions from the Babylonians.

[00:25:11] Right.

[00:25:12] So.

[00:25:12] Or whatever.

[00:25:13] Whatever group it was.

[00:25:14] Yeah.

[00:25:14] Well, when it says don't wait at the crossroads to cut down their fugitives, is that telling

[00:25:21] the Edomites don't cut down the fugitives?

[00:25:28] Hold on.

[00:25:29] I'm trying to understand who he's talking to.

[00:25:31] He's talking to the Edomites.

[00:25:32] I know he's talking to the Edomites.

[00:25:33] I'm trying to understand what does cut down their fugitives mean?

[00:25:37] Who is there in that?

[00:25:39] Jacob.

[00:25:39] The Israelites.

[00:25:40] So the Israelites have fugitives?

[00:25:44] I don't understand.

[00:25:45] Cut down their...

[00:25:45] People running from the fugitives in this light might just be people running from the Babylonians

[00:25:52] who were trying to capture them.

[00:25:54] Okay.

[00:25:54] Because they were killing and capturing the Israelites at the time.

[00:25:59] Right.

[00:26:00] And if they ran away from being captured and taken into exile, these might have been considered

[00:26:05] fugitives because they didn't allow themselves to be taken into exile.

[00:26:08] Okay.

[00:26:08] I see.

[00:26:09] I was confused because fugitive sounds like they belong to somebody.

[00:26:13] And so I didn't understand.

[00:26:15] Like, they're fugitives.

[00:26:17] I don't know.

[00:26:17] I just wasn't following it.

[00:26:19] A fugitive is just somebody who's running from the...

[00:26:21] I know what a fugitive is.

[00:26:23] I don't know what their fugitives means.

[00:26:26] Israelite.

[00:26:27] Israel's fugitives.

[00:26:28] Okay.

[00:26:28] The fugitives of Israel.

[00:26:31] See, that would have been better phrasing to me.

[00:26:32] The fugitives of Israel.

[00:26:34] Not Israel's fugitives.

[00:26:36] Because the fugitives don't belong to Israel.

[00:26:39] They just are fugitives.

[00:26:41] Got it.

[00:26:42] Of Israel.

[00:26:43] Sure.

[00:26:44] I don't know.

[00:26:44] I don't like the phrasing.

[00:26:46] Okay.

[00:26:46] You know how I be.

[00:26:47] The day of the Lord is near for all nations.

[00:26:50] That's a bad day from what I understand.

[00:26:52] I'm just putting that out there.

[00:26:53] From previous books that we read.

[00:26:54] Yeah.

[00:26:54] I'm just putting it out there.

[00:26:55] Yeah.

[00:26:55] As you have done, it will be done to you, bitch.

[00:26:58] Okay?

[00:26:59] Okay.

[00:27:00] Your deeds will return upon your own fucking head.

[00:27:03] Okay?

[00:27:04] Yeah.

[00:27:05] I'm going to get you.

[00:27:05] Okay.

[00:27:05] Just as you drink on my holy hill so all the nations will drink continually, they will drink and drink and be as if they had never been?

[00:27:15] Question mark?

[00:27:16] Why?

[00:27:16] I don't know.

[00:27:17] I'm not following that.

[00:27:18] But I do want to say real quick here, though, that God allowed Israel to be conquered.

[00:27:24] Okay.

[00:27:24] Right?

[00:27:24] And all Edom did was allow Israel to be conquered.

[00:27:27] Right.

[00:27:27] You know what?

[00:27:28] That's funny.

[00:27:29] Kind of equal there, if you ask me.

[00:27:30] We were just following your example, God.

[00:27:33] I'm just saying.

[00:27:33] What?

[00:27:34] You know?

[00:27:34] We can't win.

[00:27:35] Jesus Christ!

[00:27:37] No, that's later.

[00:27:39] I know.

[00:27:39] Right?

[00:27:40] I wasn't even there!

[00:27:41] Right.

[00:27:42] God, Ghostbusters never fails me.

[00:27:44] All right.

[00:27:45] So anyway, everybody's drinking something.

[00:27:46] I don't really know, but it's going to be like they would have never been.

[00:27:50] Sure.

[00:27:50] Right.

[00:27:50] But on Mount Zion will be deliverance.

[00:27:54] It will be holy and Jacob will possess his inheritance.

[00:27:59] Jacob will be afire and Joseph aflame.

[00:28:02] Esau will be stubble and they will set him on fire and destroy him.

[00:28:07] Boom!

[00:28:08] There will be no survivors from Esau.

[00:28:11] Esau is on fire.

[00:28:16] I don't think that's a good use of that song.

[00:28:20] Okay.

[00:28:20] Sorry.

[00:28:20] But actually, it was pretty good.

[00:28:22] Yeah.

[00:28:22] All right.

[00:28:23] Yeah.

[00:28:24] No survivors.

[00:28:25] Esau's dead.

[00:28:25] The Lord has spoken.

[00:28:27] People from the Negev will occupy the mountains of Esau and people from the foothills will possess

[00:28:34] the land of the Philistines.

[00:28:37] They will occupy the fields of Ephraim and Samaria and Benjamin will possess Gilead.

[00:28:44] Yeah.

[00:28:45] The Israelites, they're going to possess it all.

[00:28:47] Mm-hmm.

[00:28:47] Everybody.

[00:28:48] You all are fucked and...

[00:28:50] God's people win.

[00:28:51] The end.

[00:28:51] God's people win.

[00:28:52] Not today, but, you know, like later.

[00:28:53] Like every chapter is either God's people win or God's going to kill his people.

[00:28:58] Right.

[00:28:59] Or God's people win, but they got too prideful, so God's going to kill his people.

[00:29:04] But I still, I couldn't, anytime we've ever talked about Edom or any of these other groups

[00:29:09] that were like allowing for the Israelites to fall, I'm like, but God literally let them

[00:29:13] fall.

[00:29:14] Right.

[00:29:14] And I, what?

[00:29:16] Yeah.

[00:29:17] That doesn't make any sense.

[00:29:18] Please don't let me be chosen.

[00:29:21] Right?

[00:29:21] Yeah.

[00:29:21] There's just no right answer ever.

[00:29:23] Mm-mm.

[00:29:23] Mm-mm.

[00:29:24] This company of Israelite exiles who are in Canaan will possess the land as far as Zarephath.

[00:29:32] Zarephath.

[00:29:33] Sure.

[00:29:34] The exiles from Jerusalem who are in Sephiroth will possess the towns of the Negev.

[00:29:40] I don't know what Zarephath is, but Zephiroth is Spain.

[00:29:44] Ah, okay.

[00:29:45] Just so that, you know.

[00:29:46] Got it.

[00:29:47] I looked that one up.

[00:29:48] Sure.

[00:29:48] Or what I mean to say is that one was in the notes.

[00:29:51] Got it.

[00:29:51] But I don't know what a Zarephath is.

[00:29:54] Okay.

[00:29:54] So I'll have to look that up.

[00:29:56] Sure.

[00:29:57] Okay, last one and then we're done with the book.

[00:29:59] Ready?

[00:29:59] Yeah, I'm ready.

[00:30:00] Okay.

[00:30:01] Deliverers will go up on Mount Zion to governor the mountains of Esau and the kingdom will be the Lord's.

[00:30:08] The end.

[00:30:09] Bye, Obadiah.

[00:30:10] Yeah.

[00:30:10] That was it.

[00:30:11] Yep.

[00:30:12] Apparently Esau's screwed.

[00:30:13] Yep.

[00:30:13] That's pretty much what that one says.

[00:30:15] Mm-hmm.

[00:30:16] Fuck Esau.

[00:30:16] Yeah.

[00:30:17] Fuck those fuckers in Esau.

[00:30:18] We don't like them.

[00:30:20] Fucking Edomites.

[00:30:21] Yeah.

[00:30:22] Edomite sandwich.

[00:30:24] Yeah.

[00:30:24] Well.

[00:30:25] Hey.

[00:30:26] What?

[00:30:27] Edomite sandwich.

[00:30:28] I love it.

[00:30:29] It just made me think of Vegemite.

[00:30:31] Yeah.

[00:30:32] Yeah, yeah.

[00:30:32] I don't.

[00:30:33] Yeah.

[00:30:33] I don't know what else to say really though.

[00:30:34] I mean.

[00:30:35] Is there anything?

[00:30:35] It sounds like.

[00:30:37] I mean this book sounds like every other, you know, book where we were talking about the Babylonian exile.

[00:30:42] Except.

[00:30:42] More or less.

[00:30:43] Except we're talking about Edom now.

[00:30:44] And it's just one chapter.

[00:30:45] It's just one chapter.

[00:30:46] Right.

[00:30:46] So.

[00:30:47] Yeah.

[00:30:47] I don't know that there was anything real exceptional about it.

[00:30:50] There will be a little bit that I cover in the Q&A and then wrap up.

[00:30:56] These books at the end of the Bible, at the end of the Old Testament are kind of like.

[00:31:00] They're anticlimactic and like add-ons.

[00:31:03] Right.

[00:31:04] And that's fine.

[00:31:05] Yeah.

[00:31:05] I mean, you know, it is what it is.

[00:31:07] And we're getting ready to get into the New Testament soon-ish.

[00:31:10] Right.

[00:31:10] So it's.

[00:31:11] We're going to get excited.

[00:31:12] And New Testament ends in Revelation.

[00:31:15] Yeah.

[00:31:15] Like, I mean, it's got a bang.

[00:31:17] I know.

[00:31:17] But I think before we start the New Testament, hadn't we talked about wanting to do like the

[00:31:24] pseudopig.

[00:31:25] The stuff that doesn't go in the Bible that was left out.

[00:31:29] Yes.

[00:31:29] Yes.

[00:31:30] The apocryphal text.

[00:31:31] Yeah, that stuff.

[00:31:32] Things like that.

[00:31:33] Yeah.

[00:31:33] Yeah.

[00:31:34] Right.

[00:31:34] Like the Dead Sea Scroll kind of things.

[00:31:36] And that stuff.

[00:31:37] The Dead Sea Scrolls doesn't necessarily.

[00:31:39] Yeah.

[00:31:39] I said some of it.

[00:31:41] Not all of it.

[00:31:42] Okay.

[00:31:43] It's just the Dead Sea Scrolls were a bunch of.

[00:31:45] Like it's the Bible.

[00:31:46] I know.

[00:31:47] It had some other.

[00:31:48] But not all of the things that were found in the Dead Sea Scrolls were included.

[00:31:53] Right.

[00:31:53] Right.

[00:31:53] So that's the ones.

[00:31:55] Those ones.

[00:31:56] That's the ones we want to cover.

[00:31:57] Yeah.

[00:31:57] Yeah.

[00:31:58] For sure.

[00:31:58] Yeah.

[00:31:59] All right.

[00:31:59] So that was Obadiah.

[00:32:01] Sure as fuck was.

[00:32:02] Which was the 31st book of the Bible.

[00:32:05] I'm glad you're keeping count.

[00:32:06] And we're now done with that one.

[00:32:08] Well, I mean.

[00:32:09] We're moving on.

[00:32:09] We have our special episodes.

[00:32:11] Like we have the wrap up and the contradictions.

[00:32:14] Which I don't know how many there's going to be.

[00:32:16] It might be really.

[00:32:16] We might have to.

[00:32:17] Yeah.

[00:32:18] This is going to be really short probably.

[00:32:19] Yeah.

[00:32:19] We might have like a 30 second little episode where I'm like.

[00:32:23] Welp.

[00:32:25] I'm sure we'll find some contradictions.

[00:32:27] We'll find something.

[00:32:28] Yeah.

[00:32:29] All right.

[00:32:29] We'll see you then guys.

[00:32:30] Bye.

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