Obadiah Contradictions: Bible Study by Atheists

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[00:00:48] Wife!

[00:00:49] Guess what we're doing today?

[00:00:50] Well, I believe this is the last episode for Obadiah.

[00:00:54] It sure as fuck is.

[00:00:55] Which means that we're doing...

[00:00:56] You're always wrong!

[00:00:58] Or contradictions, as I like to call it.

[00:01:01] And a pop quiz.

[00:01:03] And a pop quiz.

[00:01:04] I got an 80%.

[00:01:05] You got an 80%.

[00:01:06] Okay, why beat you last time?

[00:01:08] I know.

[00:01:08] So, we'll see how this one goes.

[00:01:10] I expect you'll beat me on this one too.

[00:01:11] I don't know.

[00:01:12] That one page was hard to remember.

[00:01:15] So, we'll see.

[00:01:16] But it was for me, apparently.

[00:01:19] Alright, so you got some good contradictions for us today?

[00:01:22] I have exactly one contradiction.

[00:01:24] One contradiction.

[00:01:24] Okay, okay.

[00:01:25] Alright, well, let's get into it.

[00:01:27] Okie dokie.

[00:01:34] Alright, I am so ready and just excited for this.

[00:01:40] You're always wrong!

[00:01:42] Alright, yeah.

[00:01:43] That was good.

[00:01:44] I appreciate the enthusiasm.

[00:01:46] Yeah.

[00:01:46] I have one question for you, husband.

[00:01:49] One, okay.

[00:01:50] Husband?

[00:01:51] Yes?

[00:01:51] Wife?

[00:01:52] How should the Edomites be treated?

[00:01:56] With dignity and humanity.

[00:01:58] Hmm, okay, okay.

[00:01:59] That would be my choice.

[00:02:00] If I were to choose just, you know, out of the blue.

[00:02:02] That is one of the options.

[00:02:03] Be nice to them.

[00:02:04] Yeah.

[00:02:04] In Deuteronomy, it does say, thou shalt not abhor an Edomite, specifically straight up, for he is thy brother.

[00:02:11] Right, right.

[00:02:11] Yeah.

[00:02:11] Okay.

[00:02:12] Because they were literally brothers, like, you know, in the Old Testament.

[00:02:15] Jacob and Esau.

[00:02:16] Right.

[00:02:16] From whom the Edomites descend.

[00:02:19] Yeah.

[00:02:19] Yeah.

[00:02:19] Right.

[00:02:20] But guess what?

[00:02:21] I'm, I'm, I'm wrong.

[00:02:24] You're always wrong.

[00:02:26] Yes, we should kill them.

[00:02:28] Okay.

[00:02:29] That's a dramatic change.

[00:02:31] In 2nd Kings, it says, and he, Amaziah, did that which was right in the sight of the Lord.

[00:02:37] He slew of Edom in the Valley of Salt, 10,000.

[00:02:42] Oh, shit.

[00:02:43] Yeah.

[00:02:43] That's a lot of Edomites.

[00:02:44] Mm-hmm.

[00:02:45] That's not cool.

[00:02:46] No.

[00:02:46] And then in Ezekiel, it says, I will also stretch out mine hand upon Edom and he will,

[00:02:52] and will cut off man and beast from it.

[00:02:55] I see.

[00:02:56] Okay.

[00:02:56] I see.

[00:02:56] I have to interject here for just a second because it feels like to me that this is happening

[00:03:01] because of political changes.

[00:03:03] Like, you know, structure, they liked them at one point in time earlier on in the Old

[00:03:08] Testament during Moses' time, right?

[00:03:10] But then they wouldn't let him through.

[00:03:11] Then something happened and then they stopped liking them.

[00:03:13] Yeah.

[00:03:14] It wasn't, like, if God didn't like the Edomites, he wouldn't have liked the Edomites the whole

[00:03:17] time.

[00:03:18] Right.

[00:03:18] Exactly.

[00:03:19] That doesn't track.

[00:03:21] It doesn't track.

[00:03:21] But okay, whatever.

[00:03:22] But then in two different places in Obadiah.

[00:03:25] Yeah.

[00:03:26] Yeah.

[00:03:26] In Obadiah verse one, it says, thus saith the Lord God concerning Edom, arise ye and

[00:03:33] let us rise up against her in battle.

[00:03:36] Yeah.

[00:03:37] And then in verses eight and nine, it says, shall I not in that day, saith the Lord,

[00:03:42] even destroy the wise men out of Edom and understanding out of the Mount of Esau that

[00:03:48] every one of the Mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.

[00:03:53] Wow.

[00:03:54] Wow.

[00:03:54] Yeah.

[00:03:55] Yeah, that is, that is, that's dramatic.

[00:03:57] That's, and it's weird because, you know, again, God's word said two different things

[00:04:03] about the Edomites.

[00:04:04] Yeah.

[00:04:04] Strange, right?

[00:04:05] Yeah.

[00:04:05] Like, it's almost like, it just doesn't even matter.

[00:04:08] If God knew they were going to be shitty later, he would have thought they were shitty

[00:04:11] before.

[00:04:12] Yeah.

[00:04:12] And I'm just saying, like, this, it doesn't, if we're talking about an all knowing, all

[00:04:15] powerful God, it doesn't really make fucking sense.

[00:04:18] It doesn't.

[00:04:19] All right.

[00:04:20] Well, that's all I have for the, you're always wrong section.

[00:04:23] Okay.

[00:04:23] Would you like to move on to the pop quiz?

[00:04:27] Might as well.

[00:04:28] Might as well.

[00:04:28] Yeah.

[00:04:28] I mean, this was a short chapter, a short book.

[00:04:31] It was a short book.

[00:04:32] I wouldn't even like call it a book generally speaking, except for that it's a book in the

[00:04:36] Bible.

[00:04:36] Right.

[00:04:37] So it was a page in the Bible.

[00:04:38] Yeah.

[00:04:39] Yeah.

[00:04:40] All right.

[00:04:41] Number one, why would shame cover E.

[00:04:45] Dom according to over Daya multiple choices, right?

[00:04:48] Yeah.

[00:04:50] Idolatry, sacrilege, violence done to his brother and ignorance.

[00:04:55] Let me read that again for our friends playing along at home.

[00:04:57] Sure.

[00:04:58] Why would shame cover E.

[00:05:00] Dom according to over Daya idolatry, sacrilege, violence done to his brother or ignorance?

[00:05:08] I think it was violence done to his brother.

[00:05:10] I'm pretty sure that was the right answer.

[00:05:11] And that's the one I guessed.

[00:05:12] Yeah.

[00:05:13] All right.

[00:05:13] Number two, according to over Daya, what has deceived E. Dom pride of heart prosperity,

[00:05:21] trust in horses or wisdom?

[00:05:23] I love the answer.

[00:05:25] Trust in the horse.

[00:05:26] Let me read that again.

[00:05:28] Yeah.

[00:05:28] According to over Daya, what has deceived E. Dom pride of heart prosperity, trust in

[00:05:36] horses or wisdom?

[00:05:38] I, this is a tough one.

[00:05:40] And in my heart wants to go with trust in horses, but I'm going to say prosperity.

[00:05:47] You're wrong.

[00:05:48] Am I?

[00:05:49] Wow.

[00:05:49] That sucks.

[00:05:50] That was one of the easy ones.

[00:05:52] Well, I screwed that one up.

[00:05:54] You did.

[00:05:54] Good.

[00:05:55] All right.

[00:05:55] Number three, according to over Daya, what shall the house of Joseph be?

[00:06:01] Wind, stubble, flame or water.

[00:06:06] Okay.

[00:06:07] Let me read that again.

[00:06:08] Okay.

[00:06:09] According to over Daya, what shall the house of Joseph be?

[00:06:13] Wind, stubble, flame or water?

[00:06:17] Well, I think I kind of remember this one.

[00:06:20] So I'm going to go with stubble.

[00:06:23] I think that's the one I picked and I think that's wrong.

[00:06:26] Really?

[00:06:27] Yeah.

[00:06:27] Huh?

[00:06:27] Yeah.

[00:06:28] Okay.

[00:06:29] Well, I might be failing this one.

[00:06:30] We'll see.

[00:06:31] Yeah.

[00:06:32] All right.

[00:06:32] Number four, according to over Daya, where shall Benjamin possess?

[00:06:39] Negev, Gilead, Ephraim or Samaria?

[00:06:42] Oh shit.

[00:06:43] Right?

[00:06:43] Yeah.

[00:06:43] I had to guess at this one.

[00:06:45] According to over Daya, where shall Benjamin possess?

[00:06:50] Negev, Gilead, Ephraim or Samaria?

[00:06:54] I'm going to go with Negev.

[00:06:56] I think that's the one I picked and I don't remember.

[00:06:58] Right.

[00:06:59] Yeah.

[00:07:00] Number five, according to over Daya, whose mighty men shall be dismayed?

[00:07:07] Israel, Egypt, Taman or Syria?

[00:07:11] Let me read it again.

[00:07:13] Okay.

[00:07:13] According to over Daya, whose mighty men shall be dismayed?

[00:07:19] Israel, Egypt, Taman or Syria?

[00:07:25] I will have to go with Egypt.

[00:07:32] Okay.

[00:07:33] I don't know the answer.

[00:07:34] Yeah.

[00:07:34] These are tough questions.

[00:07:36] These are hard.

[00:07:36] Yeah.

[00:07:37] I feel like I'm going to like completely bomb this test.

[00:07:40] Right?

[00:07:40] Yeah.

[00:07:40] It's pretty hard for a one page.

[00:07:42] It is.

[00:07:42] Yeah.

[00:07:43] Wow.

[00:07:43] We did not study hard enough.

[00:07:44] No, I suck.

[00:07:46] Same.

[00:07:47] Yeah.

[00:07:47] Number six.

[00:07:48] Yeah.

[00:07:49] What was the first thing the Lord said he will do to Edom according to over Daya?

[00:07:53] Okay.

[00:07:54] Ready?

[00:07:54] I'm ready.

[00:07:54] I will make you small.

[00:08:26] Okay.

[00:08:27] Number seven.

[00:08:28] According to over Daya, where shall the saviors go up to rule Mount Esau?

[00:08:34] Was it Mount Nebo, Mount Hor, Mount Zion or Mount Ararat?

[00:08:41] And I'll read it again.

[00:08:43] Okay.

[00:08:43] According to over Daya, where shall the saviors go up to, to rule Mount Esau?

[00:08:50] Was it Mount Nebo, Mount Hor, Mount Zion or Mount Ararat?

[00:08:56] I'm pretty sure it was Mount Zion.

[00:08:59] I think you're right.

[00:09:00] And that's one of the ones I got wrong.

[00:09:02] Oh, okay.

[00:09:03] Okay.

[00:09:03] Because I guessed Mount Hor.

[00:09:05] Okay.

[00:09:06] Number eight.

[00:09:07] To where was Obadiah's vision directed?

[00:09:10] Was it Israel, Edom, Egypt or Judah?

[00:09:15] This one's easy.

[00:09:16] I'll read it again just in case.

[00:09:18] Yeah.

[00:09:18] To where was Obadiah's vision directed?

[00:09:23] Israel, Edom, Egypt or Judah?

[00:09:26] Edom.

[00:09:27] I believe that is correct, sir.

[00:09:29] Yeah.

[00:09:30] Number nine.

[00:09:31] What did those who eat Edom's bread set beneath it according to Obadiah?

[00:09:38] A ditch, a snare, a chain or a trap?

[00:09:43] What did those who eat Edom's bread set beneath it according to Obadiah?

[00:09:51] Was it a ditch, a snare, a chain or a trap?

[00:09:56] I don't know for sure.

[00:09:57] And snare and trap seem like similar things, but I'm going to go with snare.

[00:10:01] I think you're wrong.

[00:10:02] Okay.

[00:10:03] I think it was a trap.

[00:10:04] Oh, well.

[00:10:04] But I could be misremembering.

[00:10:05] A snare is a type of trap, so.

[00:10:07] Hmm.

[00:10:08] But I think they're looking for the exact word that they used.

[00:10:11] Yeah, all right, all right.

[00:10:12] Number 10.

[00:10:13] According to Obadiah, where shall the exiles of the host of people of Israel possess?

[00:10:18] Was it the land of Canaanites, the land of Sephiroth, the cities of Negev, or country

[00:10:27] of the Amorite?

[00:10:29] I'll read it again because what?

[00:10:31] Okay.

[00:10:31] Right.

[00:10:32] According to Obadiah, where shall the exiles of the host of people of Israel possess?

[00:10:39] Was it the land of the Canaanites, the land of Sephiroth, the cities of Negev, or the country

[00:10:47] of the Amorite?

[00:10:48] I believe it was the land of the Canaanites.

[00:10:50] I believe you are correct, but we shall see.

[00:10:53] Right.

[00:10:53] Yeah.

[00:10:53] Let us go over our results.

[00:10:55] Okay.

[00:10:56] Okay.

[00:10:56] Right.

[00:10:56] Yeah.

[00:10:57] Number one.

[00:10:58] Why would shame cover Edom according to Obadiah?

[00:11:01] You got this one right.

[00:11:03] Violence done to his brother.

[00:11:04] Got it.

[00:11:05] Number two.

[00:11:06] According to Obadiah, what has deceived Edom?

[00:11:10] You got this one right.

[00:11:11] It was pride of heart.

[00:11:12] Okay.

[00:11:13] Number three.

[00:11:14] Yeah.

[00:11:15] You got this one wrong.

[00:11:16] Hmm.

[00:11:16] Hmm.

[00:11:16] And I know because I guess the same thing.

[00:11:19] Yeah.

[00:11:19] According to Obadiah, what shall the house of Joseph be?

[00:11:23] You guessed stubble.

[00:11:24] Yeah.

[00:11:25] I also guessed.

[00:11:26] I thought I remembered that in the section.

[00:11:28] That is a phrase that is used, but not in that context.

[00:11:32] Got it.

[00:11:32] Somebody else is stubble.

[00:11:33] They were tricking us.

[00:11:33] Yeah.

[00:11:34] Yeah.

[00:11:35] They will be flame.

[00:11:36] Okay.

[00:11:37] All right.

[00:11:38] Yeah.

[00:11:38] Number four.

[00:11:40] According to Obadiah, where shall Benjamin possess?

[00:11:43] Um, the answer was Gilead.

[00:11:45] Oh, that's what I guessed.

[00:11:47] Okay.

[00:11:47] But you guessed Negev.

[00:11:49] I did.

[00:11:50] Yeah.

[00:11:50] So you were wrong.

[00:11:51] Okay.

[00:11:52] Okay.

[00:11:52] Actually.

[00:11:53] No, I think I guess, you know what?

[00:11:55] I don't remember.

[00:11:56] Yeah.

[00:11:56] It's geography.

[00:11:57] I don't remember.

[00:11:58] Got it.

[00:11:59] All right.

[00:12:00] Number five.

[00:12:01] According to Obadiah, whose mighty men will be dismayed.

[00:12:06] And, um, the choices were Israel, Egypt, Taman, or Syria.

[00:12:12] And you guessed Egypt instead of Taman, which was like obvious.

[00:12:17] I, yeah, I, I messed that one.

[00:12:19] I, I don't know.

[00:12:20] You did.

[00:12:20] You messed that one up.

[00:12:21] Right.

[00:12:21] Right.

[00:12:22] Wrong.

[00:12:22] Yep.

[00:12:23] All right.

[00:12:23] Number six.

[00:12:27] According to Obadiah.

[00:12:28] And you got that one, right?

[00:12:30] I will make you small among the nations.

[00:12:32] Right.

[00:12:32] Yes.

[00:12:33] Number seven.

[00:12:34] According to Obadiah, where shall the saviors go up to, to rule Mount Esau?

[00:12:40] You got that right.

[00:12:41] It's Mount Zion.

[00:12:42] Okay.

[00:12:42] Yeah.

[00:12:43] All right.

[00:12:44] Number eight.

[00:12:45] To where was Obadiah's vision directed?

[00:12:48] And you got that one right.

[00:12:49] It was Edom.

[00:12:51] Okay.

[00:12:51] Which that one was obvious.

[00:12:52] Yeah.

[00:12:53] Number nine.

[00:12:54] What did those who eat Edom's bread set beneath it, according to Obadiah?

[00:12:59] Yeah.

[00:12:59] It was a trap, not a snare.

[00:13:01] Damn it.

[00:13:01] Damn it.

[00:13:01] Yeah.

[00:13:02] Damn it.

[00:13:02] You got that one wrong.

[00:13:04] I did not do better than you this time.

[00:13:06] You did not.

[00:13:07] No.

[00:13:07] You did way worse than me.

[00:13:08] Yeah.

[00:13:08] Yeah.

[00:13:09] Yeah.

[00:13:09] Last one.

[00:13:10] Number 10.

[00:13:10] You got this one right.

[00:13:11] All right.

[00:13:11] According to Obadiah, where shall the exiles of the host of people of Israel possess?

[00:13:16] It was the land of Canaanites.

[00:13:18] I got like a 70, right?

[00:13:19] You got a 60.

[00:13:20] I got a 60.

[00:13:21] Shit.

[00:13:21] Yeah.

[00:13:22] So that means you missed two more than I did.

[00:13:24] Yeah.

[00:13:24] That's saying a lot.

[00:13:25] Yeah.

[00:13:26] Yeah.

[00:13:26] Yeah.

[00:13:27] Well, I mean, you know, can't win them all.

[00:13:30] Can't win them all.

[00:13:30] Can't win them all.

[00:13:31] Can't rain all the time.

[00:13:32] You know, a lot of the questions that they bring up are, it's not that important.

[00:13:38] Yeah.

[00:13:38] Yeah.

[00:13:38] You know, I mean, I, I suppose if you're studying the Bible, it's nice to know some of those

[00:13:42] things exactly.

[00:13:43] But the sentiment to me is more about what I'm kind of getting at with what I want to

[00:13:47] know about the Bible.

[00:13:48] Right.

[00:13:48] So it doesn't really make me angry when I don't pass those quizzes exactly.

[00:13:53] Nah.

[00:13:53] So whatever.

[00:13:55] Whatever.

[00:13:56] Yeah.

[00:13:56] But you know what the good news is?

[00:13:58] What is the good news?

[00:13:59] We're done with Obadiah.

[00:14:00] We are.

[00:14:01] We are.

[00:14:02] But if you're listening to this, then the day that it comes out, you should join us

[00:14:08] on Discord because we're going to be live on Discord tonight at 1030 PM Eastern.

[00:14:14] And there's always a link in the show notes.

[00:14:16] So just go down there and click on that and join us there.

[00:14:19] And this will be a follow up episode for our.

[00:14:22] Holt versus religion.

[00:14:23] Yeah.

[00:14:24] So it's a, it's going to be a Patreon only.

[00:14:26] Um, unless of course you join us on Discord.

[00:14:28] Yeah.

[00:14:29] So go do that now.

[00:14:30] And we hope to see you there at the live and be, and then we'll, uh, we'll be back

[00:14:36] later this.

[00:14:37] Well, no, we're probably gonna be back next week.

[00:14:39] So we're going to have our special episode come out on Thursday.

[00:14:41] Our weekly replay will come out on Friday.

[00:14:44] And then because we're starting a new book, we'll probably take the weekend off this

[00:14:47] weekend.

[00:14:47] And also happy Thanksgiving.

[00:14:49] Yeah.

[00:14:49] Yeah.

[00:14:51] And then whenever we do come back, it'll be Jonah.

[00:14:54] Got it.

[00:14:55] Okay.

[00:14:55] And I believe that has four chapters in it.

[00:14:57] And there's like whales in that one, right?

[00:14:59] I think so.

[00:14:59] I think dude gets swallowed or some shit.

[00:15:02] That's right here.

[00:15:02] Right here.

[00:15:03] All right.

[00:15:04] Well, that's a, that's a wrap on Obadiah.

[00:15:08] It is.

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