Susanna

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[00:00:48] Wife!

[00:00:49] Do you know what the hell we're doing today?

[00:00:51] Well, we are in the midst of, well, going over some Apocrypha.

[00:00:57] Yeah, because we're done with the book of Daniel, but are we?

[00:01:02] Apparently not.

[00:01:03] Because there's three stories that were kind of left out, but some Bibles have them.

[00:01:13] Right. Well, at least as an extra added. And some actually have them.

[00:01:18] Yeah, some consider.

[00:01:19] So it just kind of depends on what we're talking about.

[00:01:21] Some consider them canon and some don't.

[00:01:23] Right, right.

[00:01:24] So it gets a little muddled here with regard to what's in the Bible and what's not in the Bible.

[00:01:28] Exactly.

[00:01:29] And we decided to just go ahead and cover them this time.

[00:01:31] Because one of them has a dragon and I was like, nope, we got to read about the dragon.

[00:01:35] And we're already here. We're in Daniel. Why not?

[00:01:38] Yeah, exactly.

[00:01:38] Exactly.

[00:01:39] I do want to address, we've been gone for a few days.

[00:01:42] We have.

[00:01:42] So did you want to tell the story as to why we're gone for a few days?

[00:01:46] Okay, so about a month ago, one of my teeth broke.

[00:01:50] Right.

[00:01:51] And then about a week ago, it started kind of hurting.

[00:01:55] Right.

[00:01:55] And then a couple days ago, I was like, oh, fuck me.

[00:01:58] Because it hurt so bad that it was like swelled in my face and down my neck.

[00:02:04] Not good. Not good.

[00:02:04] So we went to the ER.

[00:02:06] We went to the ER.

[00:02:07] Oh, and just to preface this, we're in between insurance is why we didn't get this taken care of immediately in the first place.

[00:02:13] Yeah. Like I don't just sit around the house with a broken tooth just for the fun of it.

[00:02:17] Just wonderful US health care is what this is all about.

[00:02:20] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:02:20] I was hoping that I could wait until husband's new insurance from his new job kicked in.

[00:02:26] Right.

[00:02:27] To go get this taken care of.

[00:02:28] But then pain and all the other things kicked in and said, nope, sorry.

[00:02:33] Exactly.

[00:02:33] Yeah.

[00:02:34] So I've got antibiotics and steroids and Vicodin.

[00:02:38] Vicodin.

[00:02:39] Good shit.

[00:02:40] Yeah.

[00:02:40] So much for Hippolol.

[00:02:41] We just shared with everybody what we're doing.

[00:02:43] I know, right?

[00:02:44] I got an antibacterial mouthwash.

[00:02:49] Yeah.

[00:02:49] Like I got all kinds of good shit.

[00:02:51] Right.

[00:02:52] So now I'm going to an emergency dentist on Monday.

[00:02:57] Yeah.

[00:02:57] We're recording this on a Sunday.

[00:02:59] Right.

[00:03:00] Right.

[00:03:00] And yeah.

[00:03:01] So that's where we've been.

[00:03:03] Sorry.

[00:03:03] So we just finished up with Daniel.

[00:03:05] We did.

[00:03:06] And now today we're going to be reading.

[00:03:08] Special Daniel.

[00:03:09] Which is what?

[00:03:10] Well, today we're reading Susanna and the elders.

[00:03:13] Okay.

[00:03:13] All right.

[00:03:14] You ready to do this?

[00:03:14] I sure as fuck am.

[00:03:16] Let's do it.

[00:03:16] Okie dokie.

[00:03:22] All right.

[00:03:23] So we are hopping into an apocryphal tale of Daniel called Susanna and the elders.

[00:03:30] Okay.

[00:03:30] Before I get into that, let me just preface this with saying that there are three chapters

[00:03:37] not found in the Hebrew or Aramaic texts of Daniel.

[00:03:41] Okay.

[00:03:42] The text of these chapters is found in the Septuagint, which is the Greek translation of

[00:03:47] the Bible.

[00:03:47] Right.

[00:03:48] And the three chapters are called Susanna and the elders, which is the one we're reading

[00:03:52] today.

[00:03:52] And I'll tell you a little bit more about that in a second.

[00:03:54] Okay.

[00:03:54] The second one is the prayer of Azariah and the song of the three holy children.

[00:04:00] And that takes place when their kids are in the furnace.

[00:04:03] Got it.

[00:04:03] Okay.

[00:04:04] And then the last one is bell and the dragon.

[00:04:06] I'm excited about that one.

[00:04:07] Yeah.

[00:04:08] Yeah.

[00:04:08] Is there any particular order as to how these fall into the whole thing?

[00:04:12] Yes.

[00:04:12] Yes.

[00:04:12] And that's why I read them in the order I did.

[00:04:15] So Susanna and the elders takes place before Daniel chapter one, verse one.

[00:04:20] Oh, it's a prologue in early Greek manuscripts.

[00:04:23] Okay.

[00:04:24] Okay.

[00:04:25] Yeah.

[00:04:25] And this episode, along with bell and the dragon, is one of the two earliest examples

[00:04:32] of a detective story.

[00:04:34] Really?

[00:04:35] But don't get excited.

[00:04:36] It ain't that good a mystery.

[00:04:38] Yeah.

[00:04:39] The narrative is included in the book of Daniel by the Catholic church.

[00:04:43] Okay.

[00:04:44] The Oriental Orthodox churches and the Eastern Orthodox churches, but it is placed in the

[00:04:50] Apocrypha by Protestants.

[00:04:52] Got it.

[00:04:52] Okay.

[00:04:53] Now, some Protestant Bibles do include them at the end in their appendix.

[00:04:59] Some include them as an appendix to the book of Psalms.

[00:05:04] Okay.

[00:05:05] For whatever reason.

[00:05:06] Got it.

[00:05:06] Yeah.

[00:05:06] Yeah.

[00:05:07] The primary reason for the exclusion of Susanna and the elders from Protestant canon is the

[00:05:12] Protestant Reformation.

[00:05:14] The reformers rejected the Apocrypha as part of their canon, considering it as additions to

[00:05:21] the Hebrew scriptures that lacked the same authority.

[00:05:24] They were later additions.

[00:05:26] Okay.

[00:05:27] So, they weren't originally in Hebrew, therefore they can't possibly be counted.

[00:05:31] Got it.

[00:05:32] Um, basically anytime there was a reformation, um, they went with whatever was what they considered

[00:05:41] the authoritative version at that time.

[00:05:44] Okay.

[00:05:44] Sometimes it was the Greek.

[00:05:46] Sometimes it was the Latin.

[00:05:48] It just depends on the time period.

[00:05:50] Got it.

[00:05:50] But regardless, this wasn't in either.

[00:05:53] So, they were like, fuck that all the way to Mars.

[00:05:55] Got it.

[00:05:55] And I believe the version that you found is out of the NRSV Bible, um, which is the new

[00:06:00] revised standard edition.

[00:06:02] Is that correct?

[00:06:02] Yes.

[00:06:02] Okay.

[00:06:03] Just in case anybody's following along for exact words and all that.

[00:06:07] So, so the Anabaptist Lutherans, Anglicans, and Methodists regarded as non canonical, but

[00:06:14] useful for purposes of edification.

[00:06:17] Okay.

[00:06:18] So, they're like, this isn't part of the Bible, but we are not offended at its inclusion or

[00:06:25] in studying it as extra, like extracurricular material because it does teach lessons that

[00:06:33] do not counter anything in the Bible.

[00:06:36] Okay.

[00:06:36] So, they don't find it offensive.

[00:06:38] Got it.

[00:06:38] The text is not included in the Jewish Tanakh and is not mentioned in early Jewish literature.

[00:06:44] Okay.

[00:06:45] Okay.

[00:06:45] There is no historical evidence to confirm the existence of Susanna as a real person.

[00:06:51] I know you'll be shocked to find that.

[00:06:53] Not really, no.

[00:06:54] The story is likely a fictional narrative designed to convey moral and theological messages.

[00:07:00] Of course.

[00:07:01] And the story is often interpreted as an allegory of innocence, falsely accused, and ultimately

[00:07:08] vindicated with divine intervention as a central theme.

[00:07:12] Hmm.

[00:07:13] So, I'm going to give that a little intro to each story like I've just done for Susanna.

[00:07:19] Okay.

[00:07:20] Yeah.

[00:07:20] So, but now we're going to get into Susanna.

[00:07:23] Got it.

[00:07:24] Okay.

[00:07:24] So, I'm about to read it.

[00:07:26] No way.

[00:07:28] I'm going to read Susanna.

[00:07:29] I like the lead of it.

[00:07:30] We are reading the story now.

[00:07:32] It is starting now.

[00:07:34] Now comes the story.

[00:07:35] Here goes some Susanna.

[00:07:36] Right.

[00:07:37] And sometimes it's called, the full length of the story is called Susanna and the elders,

[00:07:44] but often it's just shortened to Susanna.

[00:07:46] Okay.

[00:07:46] So, that's what I've referred to it as in my notes.

[00:07:49] Sure.

[00:07:49] Because it's just easier.

[00:07:50] Sure.

[00:07:51] Yeah.

[00:07:51] So, Susanna.

[00:07:52] Here we go.

[00:07:53] Starting now.

[00:07:53] Starting now.

[00:07:54] Go.

[00:07:54] There was a man.

[00:07:56] There.

[00:07:56] Yeah.

[00:07:57] Sometimes there is man.

[00:07:58] Sometimes they happen.

[00:07:59] There was a man.

[00:08:00] Yeah.

[00:08:01] I like how the story starts.

[00:08:02] It's about Susanna, but no, let us talk about a man.

[00:08:05] Right.

[00:08:05] Okay.

[00:08:06] Yeah.

[00:08:06] Living in Babylon, whose name was Joachim.

[00:08:09] Okay.

[00:08:10] He married the daughter of Hilkiah named Susanna, a very beautiful woman and one who feared

[00:08:16] the Lord.

[00:08:17] Her parents were righteous and had trained their daughter according to the law of Moses.

[00:08:24] Joachim was very rich and had a fine garden adjoining his house.

[00:08:29] Hmm.

[00:08:29] Is this not the Joachim?

[00:08:30] Okay.

[00:08:31] No, it's not a king.

[00:08:32] It's not a prince.

[00:08:32] It's just a guy.

[00:08:33] Okay.

[00:08:34] Well, it sounds like there was, that's the name of one of the kings I thought.

[00:08:37] It was.

[00:08:37] Yeah.

[00:08:38] But this is not.

[00:08:39] This is not the king.

[00:08:40] Just clarifying.

[00:08:41] This is just a guy.

[00:08:43] Okay.

[00:08:43] He was a rich guy.

[00:08:45] There was a guy.

[00:08:46] Yeah.

[00:08:46] There was a man.

[00:08:47] He's a rich guy and he's got a fine garden and a beautiful wife.

[00:08:50] Gotta love those fine gardens.

[00:08:51] Yeah.

[00:08:52] The Jews used to come to him because he was the most honored of them all.

[00:08:57] Hmm.

[00:08:57] Okay.

[00:08:57] Okay.

[00:08:58] So I would imagine that means that they came to him for advice and probably for loans and

[00:09:03] shit like that.

[00:09:04] Yeah.

[00:09:04] Because they said he was rich and had a nice garden.

[00:09:07] Yeah.

[00:09:07] And then they said they came to him.

[00:09:08] Right.

[00:09:09] That year, two elders from the people were appointed as judges.

[00:09:13] Concerning them, the Lord had said wickedness came forth from Babylon from elders who were

[00:09:20] judges who were supposed to govern the people.

[00:09:23] Hmm.

[00:09:23] Hmm.

[00:09:24] These men were frequently at Joaquin's house and all who had a case to be tried came to

[00:09:30] them there.

[00:09:30] Okay.

[00:09:31] So.

[00:09:31] So they worked together, sort of.

[00:09:33] Maybe.

[00:09:33] And they held court at this dude's house.

[00:09:36] At his house.

[00:09:36] Because he's got a nice garden, of course.

[00:09:37] Yeah.

[00:09:37] Yeah.

[00:09:38] I hate these guys.

[00:09:39] They're so gross.

[00:09:39] I hate them.

[00:09:41] When the people left at noon, Susanna would go into her husband's garden to walk.

[00:09:47] Every day, the two elders used to see her going in and walking about and they began to lust

[00:09:53] for her, you know, as men do.

[00:09:55] Right.

[00:09:56] You see where this is going.

[00:09:57] Sure.

[00:09:58] They suppressed their consciences and turned away their eyes from looking to heaven or

[00:10:04] remembering their duty to administer justice.

[00:10:07] They forgot to keep their dicks tight.

[00:10:09] Right.

[00:10:10] Yeah.

[00:10:10] They forgot to zip their pants and keep their hands to them.

[00:10:13] They forgot not to be lusty.

[00:10:16] Right.

[00:10:16] They forgot not to be turned on by a beautiful woman.

[00:10:19] Yeah.

[00:10:19] They forgot.

[00:10:20] They forgot.

[00:10:21] They couldn't remember that just because you see a pretty girl doesn't mean you have

[00:10:25] to rape her.

[00:10:25] Right.

[00:10:26] They forgot.

[00:10:26] It's hard to remember.

[00:10:29] Sometimes, I guess.

[00:10:30] According to the Bible.

[00:10:32] I'm just a dumb girl.

[00:10:33] What would I know?

[00:10:34] Yeah.

[00:10:35] Is that your, your dude?

[00:10:37] No.

[00:10:37] Does that seem to be true for you?

[00:10:39] No.

[00:10:39] You've never forgot?

[00:10:40] I've never forgot.

[00:10:41] Wow.

[00:10:42] Yeah.

[00:10:42] You must be like the strength of God or something.

[00:10:46] Apparently.

[00:10:46] Cause only the strength of atheists.

[00:10:48] So.

[00:10:49] Right.

[00:10:49] Cause these guys are supposed to be godly, but they forgot.

[00:10:53] Right.

[00:10:53] Yeah.

[00:10:54] Yeah.

[00:10:54] Both were overwhelmed with passion for her, but they did not tell each other of their

[00:10:59] distress for they were ashamed as well.

[00:11:02] They should be to disclose their disgusting lustful desire to seduce her.

[00:11:07] Yeah.

[00:11:07] And where they say seduce, I read rape.

[00:11:10] You say seduce.

[00:11:11] I say rape, seduce, rape, seduce, rape.

[00:11:14] Right.

[00:11:14] Yeah.

[00:11:14] Yeah.

[00:11:15] Day after day, they watched eagerly to see her.

[00:11:17] Yeah, they did.

[00:11:20] One day they said to each other, let us go home for it is time for lunch.

[00:11:23] Bye.

[00:11:24] Uh huh.

[00:11:25] So they both left and parted from each other, but turning back, they met again.

[00:11:30] And when each press the other for the reason they confess their lust, this beautiful bitch

[00:11:35] over here.

[00:11:36] I just can't take my eyes off dead titties though.

[00:11:38] I know.

[00:11:39] Right.

[00:11:40] Look at that ass.

[00:11:41] That ass.

[00:11:42] Yes.

[00:11:42] I got to hit that ass.

[00:11:43] Right.

[00:11:44] I would tap that.

[00:11:45] No, I would.

[00:11:46] Oh, what if we both did?

[00:11:47] Oh, that's the best.

[00:11:49] Oh, love me a good circle jerk.

[00:11:51] Well, we take turns raping a train on her.

[00:11:53] Jesus Christ.

[00:11:53] Then together they arranged for a time when they could find her alone.

[00:11:57] Oh my God.

[00:11:58] Because here we go.

[00:11:59] Yeah.

[00:12:00] Once while they were watching for an opportune day, she went in as before with only two maids

[00:12:05] and wished to bathe in the garden for it was a hot day.

[00:12:08] Mm hmm.

[00:12:09] No one was there except the two elders who had hidden themselves and were watching her

[00:12:13] because they're disgusting, huge letches.

[00:12:17] They're right.

[00:12:17] Gross.

[00:12:18] Yeah.

[00:12:18] She said to her maids, bring me olive oil and ointments and shut the garden doors so

[00:12:23] that I can bathe.

[00:12:24] They did as she told them.

[00:12:26] They shut the doors of the garden and went out by the side doors to bring what they had

[00:12:30] been commanded.

[00:12:31] They did not see the elders because they were hiding.

[00:12:34] When the maids had gone out, the two elders got up and ran to her.

[00:12:38] My God.

[00:12:38] They said, look, the garden doors are shut and no one can see us.

[00:12:42] We are burning with desire for you.

[00:12:44] So give your consent and lie with us.

[00:12:47] Oh, let us rape you.

[00:12:48] Okay.

[00:12:49] Please let us rape you.

[00:12:50] Can we please rape you?

[00:12:51] Say yes.

[00:12:52] Don't fight us.

[00:12:53] Let us rape you, please.

[00:12:55] Wow.

[00:12:55] Yeah.

[00:12:56] If you refuse, we will testify against you that a young man was with you and this was

[00:13:00] why you sent your maids away.

[00:13:02] Let us rape you or we'll say that you fucked.

[00:13:05] Wow.

[00:13:06] Either way, you're fucked.

[00:13:08] Right.

[00:13:08] Yeah.

[00:13:09] Susanna groaned and said, I'm completely trapped for if I do this, it will mean death

[00:13:14] for me.

[00:13:15] If I do not, I cannot escape your hands.

[00:13:18] I choose not to do it.

[00:13:20] I will fall into your hands rather than sin in the sight of the Lord.

[00:13:24] So she's like, no, if you're going to rape me, you're going to fucking rape me.

[00:13:27] I'm not giving my consent, you fucks.

[00:13:29] Yeah.

[00:13:30] Then Susanna cried out with a loud voice and the two elders shouted against her.

[00:13:34] And one of them ran and opened the garden doors.

[00:13:37] When the people in the house heard the shouting in the garden, they rushed in at the side door

[00:13:41] to see what had happened to her.

[00:13:43] And when the elders told their story, the servants felt very much ashamed for nothing

[00:13:48] like this had ever been said about Susanna.

[00:13:50] Right.

[00:13:51] But of course, who do you think they believed?

[00:13:52] They believed the men because men.

[00:13:55] Right.

[00:13:56] Because penis rage.

[00:13:57] Yeah.

[00:13:58] I don't understand.

[00:13:59] We all know that men are disgusting and lecherous.

[00:14:02] We talk about it.

[00:14:02] It's a fucking joke.

[00:14:04] Why would the Bible?

[00:14:05] Why would you believe it?

[00:14:06] Like they, the doors were locked.

[00:14:07] They were outside.

[00:14:08] They came running as soon as she screamed.

[00:14:10] And right.

[00:14:11] The only people in there were the elders.

[00:14:14] Right.

[00:14:14] Come on.

[00:14:15] Yeah.

[00:14:16] Like this is whatever.

[00:14:18] Yeah.

[00:14:19] Yeah.

[00:14:19] Well, like I said, we've known throughout time that men are apparently disgusting and

[00:14:24] can't keep their hands to themselves.

[00:14:25] It's a joke that we talk about all the time how gross men are.

[00:14:29] But no, by all means, let us believe them.

[00:14:31] This speaks way more to the misogyny of the time than it does to anything else.

[00:14:36] Right.

[00:14:36] The fact that the doors are locked.

[00:14:38] They're the only other two in there and they're going to believe them over her.

[00:14:42] Mm hmm.

[00:14:43] It speaks to how I mean, look, we still have problems with this today.

[00:14:47] Yeah.

[00:14:47] Right.

[00:14:48] So even more so back in those days.

[00:14:51] Not only that, we I think it's even worse today sometimes because we'll say, oh, my God,

[00:14:57] they only raped you and you're going to ruin this young man's life over over you being raped.

[00:15:03] Just why would you ruin this man's life?

[00:15:06] He's got a scholarship that he's going to lose because of you being raped and calling them

[00:15:11] out on it like, oh, it's so gross.

[00:15:14] I hate it so much.

[00:15:15] Right.

[00:15:16] The next day, when the people gathered at the house of her husband, Joaquin, the two elders

[00:15:21] came full of their wicked plot to have Susanna put to death in the presence of the people, they said, send for who's Susanna, daughter of Hilkiah, the wife of Joaquin.

[00:15:32] So they sent for her and she came with her parents, her children and all her relatives.

[00:15:37] Now, Susanna was a woman of great refinement and beautiful in appearance.

[00:15:41] As she was veiled, the scoundrels ordered her to be unveiled so that they might feast their eyes on her beauty, you know, so that they can look at her one more time before they kill her.

[00:15:51] Right.

[00:15:52] Those who were with her and all who saw her were weeping.

[00:15:55] Then the two elders stood up before the people and laid their hands on her head.

[00:16:00] Through her tears, she looked up toward heaven for her heart trusted the Lord.

[00:16:04] The elders said, while we were walking in the garden alone, this woman came in with two maids, shut the garden doors and dismissed the maids.

[00:16:13] Then a young man who was hiding there came to her and lay with her.

[00:16:17] We were in a corner of the garden and when we saw this wickedness, we ran to them.

[00:16:21] Although we saw them embracing, we could not hold the man because he was stronger than we are.

[00:16:27] And he opened the door and got away.

[00:16:30] Wow.

[00:16:30] We did, however, seize this woman and asked who the young man was, but she would not tell us these things we testify.

[00:16:37] Wow.

[00:16:37] Right?

[00:16:38] Like you disgusting, nasty dudes.

[00:16:41] Mm hmm.

[00:16:42] Your penises are gross and I hope they shriveled off.

[00:16:45] Right.

[00:16:46] Because they were elders of the people and judges, the assembly believed them and, you know, condemned her to death.

[00:16:54] As you do.

[00:16:55] Wow.

[00:16:55] Yeah.

[00:16:56] Then Susanna cried out with a loud voice and said, oh, eternal God, you know what is secret and are aware of all things before they come to be.

[00:17:04] You know that these men have given false evidence against me.

[00:17:08] And now I am to die, though I have done none of the wicked things that they have charged against me.

[00:17:13] Yeah, I am curious.

[00:17:14] What is God going to do here?

[00:17:16] Right.

[00:17:16] Like if you don't stop it, you're you're bad.

[00:17:19] Yeah.

[00:17:19] Wrong.

[00:17:19] Yeah.

[00:17:20] This is wrong.

[00:17:21] So the Lord heard her cry.

[00:17:23] Oh, OK.

[00:17:23] Just as she was being led off to execution.

[00:17:26] So, you know, he let her have a heart attack first.

[00:17:28] Yeah.

[00:17:29] Right.

[00:17:29] God stirred up the Holy Spirit of a young lad named Daniel.

[00:17:33] Oh, good old Daniel.

[00:17:35] We love Daniel.

[00:17:35] A young lad.

[00:17:36] Young lad.

[00:17:37] And he shouted with a loud voice, I want no part in shedding this woman's blood.

[00:17:42] Why would a young lad have any part in shedding?

[00:17:44] Just because he was in the audience or whatever?

[00:17:47] Yeah.

[00:17:47] They were all going to put her to death.

[00:17:48] All right.

[00:17:49] OK.

[00:17:50] All the people turned to him and asked, what the fuck are you saying?

[00:17:54] Taking a stand among them, he said, are you such fools, oh, Israelites, as to condemn

[00:17:58] a daughter of Israel without examination and without learning the facts?

[00:18:03] Return to court for these fucking dudes have given false evidence against her.

[00:18:08] Yeah.

[00:18:09] So all the people hurried back and the rest of the elders said to him, come sit among us

[00:18:14] and inform us for God has given you the standing of an elder.

[00:18:18] Daniel.

[00:18:19] Why?

[00:18:19] Why?

[00:18:20] Why?

[00:18:20] I don't know.

[00:18:22] He's not even of the age of what they would consider a prophet at that point because prophets

[00:18:26] were like 30 plus, I think, usually.

[00:18:29] Something like that.

[00:18:29] And so he's a young kid.

[00:18:31] And maybe at this point he has been deemed on the path or something.

[00:18:38] Yeah.

[00:18:38] I don't know.

[00:18:39] Like maybe he I mean, he already was a wise person and very godly.

[00:18:44] I guess.

[00:18:45] Like that's part of why he got kidnapped up to Babylon.

[00:18:48] It just always bothers me that it feels like back in these times, like a lot of justice,

[00:18:53] quote unquote, was done by somebody yelling out and, you know, and then the crowd is easily

[00:18:57] swayed.

[00:18:58] Yeah.

[00:18:58] Like, yeah, set them free.

[00:19:00] Yeah.

[00:19:01] Burn the witch.

[00:19:02] Right.

[00:19:02] Yeah.

[00:19:03] They're innocent.

[00:19:04] Yeah.

[00:19:04] Kill them.

[00:19:05] Right.

[00:19:05] Yeah.

[00:19:06] Whatever's the most popular thing to do.

[00:19:08] Right.

[00:19:08] In that moment.

[00:19:08] That's what they yell.

[00:19:09] Yeah.

[00:19:10] Daniel said to them, separate them far from each other and I will examine them.

[00:19:15] So.

[00:19:15] Okay.

[00:19:16] So he's actually gonna, you know, ask some questions.

[00:19:19] Yeah.

[00:19:19] Okay.

[00:19:19] Nobody else thought of this.

[00:19:21] Right.

[00:19:21] You know, the first detective story.

[00:19:24] No, I appreciate this.

[00:19:26] I appreciate this.

[00:19:27] Yeah.

[00:19:28] When they were separated from each other, he summoned one of them and said to him, you

[00:19:33] old relic of wicked days, your sins have now come home, which you have committed in

[00:19:38] the past, pronouncing unjust judgments, condemning the innocent and acquitting the guilty.

[00:19:44] Though the Lord said, you shall not put an innocent and righteous person to death.

[00:19:49] Now then, if you really saw this woman, tell me this.

[00:19:52] Under what tree did you see them being intimate with each other?

[00:19:57] Hmm.

[00:19:57] Hmm.

[00:19:58] Okay.

[00:19:59] Dude answered under a mastic tree.

[00:20:01] And Daniel said, very well, this lie has cost you your head for the angel of God has

[00:20:07] received the sentence from God.

[00:20:09] The angel of God.

[00:20:11] Oh, the angel of God has received the sentence from God and will immediately cut you in two.

[00:20:16] Wow.

[00:20:18] And then putting him to one side, he ordered them to bring the other.

[00:20:21] And he said to him, you offspring of Canaan and not of Judah.

[00:20:25] Beauty has beguiled you and lust has perverted your heart.

[00:20:28] This is how you've been treating the daughters of Israel.

[00:20:31] And they were intimate with you through fear.

[00:20:34] But a daughter of Judah would not tolerate your wickedness.

[00:20:37] Now then, tell me under what tree did you catch them being intimate with each other?

[00:20:42] Hmm.

[00:20:43] Dude answered under an evergreen oak.

[00:20:46] Oh, we got conflicting accounts here.

[00:20:49] Daniel said to him, very well, this lie has cost you also your head for the angel of God is waiting with his sword to split you in two.

[00:20:58] So as to destroy you both.

[00:21:01] Hmm.

[00:21:01] Okay.

[00:21:02] Then the whole assembly raised a great shout and blessed God who saves those who hope in him.

[00:21:08] And they took action against the two elders because out of their own mouths, Daniel had convicted them of bearing false witness.

[00:21:15] They did to them as they have wickedly planned to do to their neighbor.

[00:21:19] Wow.

[00:21:19] Acting in accordance with the law of Moses, they put them to death.

[00:21:23] Thus, innocent blood was spared that day.

[00:21:26] So Kaya and his wife praised God for their daughter, Susanna.

[00:21:30] And so did her husband, Joaquin, and all her relatives because she was found innocent of a shameful deed.

[00:21:37] And from that day onwards, Daniel had a great reputation among the people.

[00:21:42] The end.

[00:21:43] Now that's awesome, I guess.

[00:21:44] But like, I feel like that was just the bare minimum of due diligence, right?

[00:21:49] Right.

[00:21:50] And you asked questions.

[00:21:52] Yeah.

[00:21:53] Good job.

[00:21:53] Right.

[00:21:54] But I feel like that wasn't done a lot back then.

[00:21:56] Right.

[00:21:56] Just in general.

[00:21:57] They make it seem like it wasn't.

[00:21:59] Like women got a real raw deal when it came to shit because they didn't really get much of a say.

[00:22:06] And men pretty much got to tell whatever they wanted to tell.

[00:22:09] And that's the way it was.

[00:22:10] Yup.

[00:22:11] Based on based on a lot of what I've heard throughout the Bible, even, you know, just like the men get to change, decide what what happened.

[00:22:17] So, yeah, I don't know.

[00:22:19] I, I appreciate that they did that, but I don't.

[00:22:22] Uh, it's not like it happened a lot.

[00:22:25] Yeah.

[00:22:26] Women got fucked over a lot.

[00:22:27] Yeah.

[00:22:28] Yeah.

[00:22:28] And like the, the bad part of that story is not just that justice prevailed.

[00:22:35] Yeah.

[00:22:36] You know, the bad part is that they were like, we're going to rape you or we're going to turn you in if you don't let us rape you for being a sexed up freak.

[00:22:49] Right.

[00:22:49] Like what?

[00:22:51] Yeah.

[00:22:51] Those are my options.

[00:22:53] Right.

[00:22:53] Fuck off.

[00:22:55] Like those were literally her options.

[00:22:58] And if nobody had stood up cause you know, God ain't a thing.

[00:23:03] Right.

[00:23:03] So if not one person had stood up, she was just going to die.

[00:23:07] Right.

[00:23:08] Because why?

[00:23:09] Because she wouldn't fuck two nasty old dudes.

[00:23:12] Yeah.

[00:23:12] That's basically what was going to happen there.

[00:23:14] Yeah.

[00:23:14] And I just, I can't with that story.

[00:23:16] I'm sorry.

[00:23:17] The other thing I got to say here is that this Daniel character that they're talking about, this is prior to, this is a, you know, prior to all the other things that we heard.

[00:23:25] Yeah.

[00:23:25] Well, the, the first thing that we heard in Daniel was him going into the service to become this, uh, you know, important person as a child.

[00:23:34] Right.

[00:23:34] Like we're talking about like 10 to 12 years old or something.

[00:23:37] Right.

[00:23:37] And so this had to happen before that.

[00:23:40] Right.

[00:23:40] Which means that this kid was pretty young when this happened, according to the story.

[00:23:44] Yeah.

[00:23:44] According to the whole, you know, canon of the character.

[00:23:47] Yeah.

[00:23:47] And so it's interesting that he was even given a place to stand and do this.

[00:23:52] Mm hmm.

[00:23:52] But even, even if he was on a path to do these things.

[00:23:56] Right.

[00:23:56] I find it a little questionable.

[00:23:59] Right.

[00:24:00] As to the, the legitimacy of the story and how it, how it proceeded.

[00:24:03] Mm hmm.

[00:24:03] But again, I appreciate that they, they were able to not kill the woman who got, you know, accused of rape.

[00:24:10] Right.

[00:24:10] And, um, that, that's good.

[00:24:12] That's, I mean, as stories go in the Bible, this one is not too horrible, but it does point out some, uh, problematic things that are recurring in those timeframes that, that we have seen throughout the Bible as well.

[00:24:25] That did happen quite often.

[00:24:27] And that are still prevalent today in small town America.

[00:24:30] Right.

[00:24:30] Well, not just small town, but yeah.

[00:24:32] Part in America, in the world.

[00:24:34] In America, in the world.

[00:24:35] In misogynistic, you know, society.

[00:24:37] Yeah.

[00:24:37] So.

[00:24:38] Because men are gross.

[00:24:39] Right.

[00:24:39] Indeed.

[00:24:39] Indeed.

[00:24:40] So anyway, that was, uh, Susanna, Susanna.

[00:24:44] That was Susanna.

[00:24:45] There is no chapter or whatever.

[00:24:46] No.

[00:24:46] This is, this is apocrypha we're doing.

[00:24:48] That was apocrypha Susanna.

[00:24:49] Yeah.

[00:24:50] This was a, the, the, that, the thing that wife said, Susanna, I would like to say this before we get out of here.

[00:24:56] Um, we are, and this is more for our people who will listen to us on our Patreon channel, because I am going to be putting up a, um, thing that at the beginning of our podcast, we'll tell that we're doing this, but we are going to be at the Kentucky free thought convention coming up on September 7th.

[00:25:10] We have a link, um, on our main page at right at the top of the page.

[00:25:14] Um, so we'd love for you to join us there.

[00:25:16] I think tickets start at $45.

[00:25:18] Seth Andrews will be there.

[00:25:20] Liz Cavell will be there.

[00:25:21] There's a lot of other, but the skeptic will be there.

[00:25:23] Uh, there's going to be a lot of people at that convention.

[00:25:25] We'd love to see you there.

[00:25:26] Um, definitely if you get a chance to tell them why you're coming, tell them that we sent you.

[00:25:30] Cause that, you know, looks good on us and stuff.

[00:25:33] So anyway, um, I think, is that all we got for today?

[00:25:39] That's all we got for today.

[00:25:41] All right.

[00:25:41] So, uh, we're going to be back, uh, tomorrow with the prayer of Azariah.

[00:25:46] All right.

[00:25:47] We'll see you guys then.

[00:25:48] Bye.

[00:25:48] Bye.

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