Ezekiel Chapter 13: Bible Study by Atheists

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[00:01:52] Do you know what we did yesterday and where the hell we are today?

[00:01:57] Well, yesterday we covered Ezekiel chapter 12.

[00:02:00] We sure as fuck did.

[00:02:01] And in that chapter, Ezekiel had to pack his bags and...

[00:02:05] Ha ha!

[00:02:06] Get!

[00:02:07] Get the scamper.

[00:02:09] And then he dug a hole on the wall and he...

[00:02:11] As you do.

[00:02:12] And he left Jerusalem as a performance.

[00:02:15] Mm-hmm.

[00:02:17] Yeah, so I...

[00:02:18] But I'm not really sure how he was in Jerusalem because I thought he was in Babylon.

[00:02:22] Oh, he was.

[00:02:24] And uh...

[00:02:25] Oh, you got some information about this?

[00:02:26] I have some information and somebody owes me an apology.

[00:02:30] I'm sure I was wrong.

[00:02:31] You were...

[00:02:32] I'm always wrong.

[00:02:33] Well, you...

[00:02:33] We do an episode where I'm always wrong.

[00:02:35] That is true.

[00:02:36] That is true.

[00:02:37] But 99% of the time I'm wrong and I'm like adamant.

[00:02:41] Yeah.

[00:02:41] And this time, like I literally went back and listened to the timeline that we covered in chapter 1.

[00:02:47] And Ezekiel was in Babylon.

[00:02:50] He was taken there during the second wave.

[00:02:53] Okay, okay.

[00:02:54] Yeah.

[00:02:55] And we specifically covered that in the timeline in chapter 1.

[00:02:59] Okay.

[00:03:00] So you were in the first 10 minutes of the episode.

[00:03:02] Got it.

[00:03:02] So you were definitely right then?

[00:03:04] Yes, I was definitely right.

[00:03:06] I got one more correction to throw out there.

[00:03:07] Okay.

[00:03:08] You were right one more time.

[00:03:09] Oh, wasn't I?

[00:03:10] You were right twice.

[00:03:11] Yeah, last year.

[00:03:11] Holy shit!

[00:03:12] Yeah, Canadians do not drive on the left side of the road.

[00:03:15] They drive on the right side.

[00:03:16] I was mistaken.

[00:03:17] I said in the podcast episode that when I was up there, I was a kid and I wasn't actually driving.

[00:03:22] But I could have sworn we drove on the left side of the road.

[00:03:24] But it was probably just me looking at the metric system and getting all kinds of fucked up.

[00:03:28] So.

[00:03:29] See, and like I said, I knew in Toronto that they drove on the right side of the road.

[00:03:36] Yeah.

[00:03:36] So I was like, unless they do it different province, you are wrong.

[00:03:41] I was wrong.

[00:03:41] You were right twice yesterday.

[00:03:43] I really am okay with the world exploding right now because I've reached peak wife-ism.

[00:03:53] All right.

[00:03:54] So yesterday we read Ezekiel chapter 12.

[00:03:56] Yes.

[00:03:57] Oh, actually real quick before we get into that.

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[00:05:06] So that being said, today we are getting into Ezekiel Chapter 13.

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[00:06:59] All right, we are back and jumping into Ezekiel chapter 13.

[00:07:04] Okay.

[00:07:05] Easy Kyle, here we go.

[00:07:08] The word of the Lord came to me.

[00:07:11] Yeah, did it.

[00:07:12] It did.

[00:07:13] Okay.

[00:07:14] Me being Ezekiel and now I'm quoting God.

[00:07:16] Okay.

[00:07:17] I, Ezekiel, am quoting God.

[00:07:18] Got it, yeah.

[00:07:19] Son of man, yamir human, yawirm as we know from previous chapters, that's what he

[00:07:25] means.

[00:07:26] Yeah, yeah.

[00:07:27] Prophecy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophecy-ing.

[00:07:30] That's a God-daring helpful.

[00:07:32] Wow, that's a lot of prophet-ing in, wow.

[00:07:35] Prophecy against the prophets who are prophecy-ing.

[00:07:38] Okay.

[00:07:39] Okay.

[00:07:40] So he's going to determine, he's going to prophecy the fate of the

[00:07:43] prophets that are profiting in-

[00:07:45] They're profiting from their prophets.

[00:07:48] That's a lot of, I guess I can't.

[00:07:52] It not good.

[00:07:53] No, anyway, there's a prophecy coming.

[00:07:54] Say to those who prophecy out of their own imagination, hear the word of the

[00:08:00] Lord.

[00:08:01] This is what the sovereign Lord says.

[00:08:03] Okay.

[00:08:04] He says, I says, I says.

[00:08:05] So again, these prophets are going to have to take the word of Ezekiel

[00:08:08] Uh-huh.

[00:08:09] That God is speaking through him to them.

[00:08:12] Because God can't get on the bullhorn and talk to them his damn self.

[00:08:17] Right, even though hypothetically they are also prophets.

[00:08:19] Right.

[00:08:20] According to them.

[00:08:21] According to them but not according to the Yahweh guy.

[00:08:25] Right, who is only speaking through Ezekiel.

[00:08:26] Right.

[00:08:27] Okay.

[00:08:28] I'm clarifying that's all.

[00:08:29] Yes, you understand the right of it.

[00:08:31] Got it.

[00:08:32] Okay, so he is telling him to tell them, to tell him that he said to tell

[00:08:36] them, woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen

[00:08:42] nothing.

[00:08:43] Your prophets Israel are like jackals among ruins.

[00:08:47] God damn jackals.

[00:08:49] You have not gone up to the breaches in the wall to repair it for

[00:08:52] the people of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the

[00:08:56] day of the Lord.

[00:08:57] As I recall, Ezekiel was actually putting holes in that fucking wall.

[00:09:01] That's true.

[00:09:02] He's done that twice.

[00:09:03] And I was talking in the last chapter about how the people that saw him

[00:09:04] doing that would be pissed because they got to go up there and fix the

[00:09:06] fucking holes that he put in to show them how to leave Jerusalem when

[00:09:09] they get exiled.

[00:09:10] He did it twice.

[00:09:11] He did it twice.

[00:09:12] Once in a vision and then once in his little play act.

[00:09:15] Yeah.

[00:09:16] We're like dude stop punching holes in the wall man.

[00:09:17] Yeah.

[00:09:18] Their visions, God talking to Ezekiel telling Ezekiel to tell him what he

[00:09:23] told them to tell him.

[00:09:24] Right.

[00:09:25] Their visions, those false prophets are false and their divinations are a

[00:09:31] lie.

[00:09:32] Okay.

[00:09:33] So just again to differentiate between visions and divinations, the

[00:09:37] visions are the eyeballs on the false assumption that God is talking to

[00:09:44] you.

[00:09:45] Oh yeah.

[00:09:46] The, what you're receiving from the Lord whatever.

[00:09:49] Yeah.

[00:09:50] Okay.

[00:09:51] Whether it's something that you see or speech or whatever.

[00:09:53] Yeah.

[00:09:54] And a divination involves tools like for example throwing the bones.

[00:09:59] Yeah.

[00:10:00] Which we talked about before also like that a lot back in the.

[00:10:03] Summon and the Purin or something like that.

[00:10:05] What do you call it first?

[00:10:06] Again the words.

[00:10:07] The Deuteronomy.

[00:10:08] Yeah.

[00:10:09] The Old Testament, the Pentateuch, the Torah.

[00:10:11] Right the Pentateuch.

[00:10:12] That's what I was trying to do.

[00:10:13] Yeah.

[00:10:14] Back in the Pentateuch they threw bones all the time.

[00:10:15] The Law.

[00:10:16] They did some divination back then.

[00:10:17] Yeah.

[00:10:18] It was good when Moses did it but now it's evil, false and bad.

[00:10:22] Or actually what was the guy that was right after Moses?

[00:10:25] Was that, oh he flew up to heaven in the.

[00:10:29] Elijah or Elijah.

[00:10:31] Oh was it that one?

[00:10:33] Those were the dudes that flew up.

[00:10:34] I was thinking, no I'm thinking of the guy that who was the one that knocked

[00:10:37] down the wall of Jericho.

[00:10:38] Oh Joshua.

[00:10:39] Joshua that's what I'm thinking of.

[00:10:40] And I only know it because of that song Joshua fit the battle of Jericho.

[00:10:44] They definitely threw bones in Joshua.

[00:10:46] They did.

[00:10:47] I remember that specifically because they were standing in one of the cities and

[00:10:50] they did that.

[00:10:51] Yeah.

[00:10:52] So they did divinations and that was fine.

[00:10:54] We don't do that anymore and somewhere along the way it just became why are you doing

[00:10:58] that shit?

[00:10:59] Right, don't do it.

[00:11:00] Never.

[00:11:01] Right.

[00:11:02] And I'm like but sometimes.

[00:11:03] Well but there was also like they said early on that sane prophecies is either

[00:11:10] good or heretical.

[00:11:12] Yes.

[00:11:13] If you're wrong it's heretical.

[00:11:14] Yeah.

[00:11:15] If you're right it's a prophecy.

[00:11:17] Yeah it just depends.

[00:11:18] So you better hope that the winds blow your way my friend.

[00:11:21] Yeah so I would imagine probably maybe earlier on the same thing would have applied to

[00:11:25] divination as far as if you're right then obviously God caused that to happen.

[00:11:30] If you're wrong then obviously you're doing a black art of some type or whatever.

[00:11:35] Right, exactly.

[00:11:36] And you speak with demons and dead people and shit like that.

[00:11:40] Obviously.

[00:11:41] Yeah.

[00:11:42] God is still talking so he's like those bitches lie.

[00:11:45] Yeah.

[00:11:46] Okay even though the Lord has not sent them they say the Lord declares and expect him

[00:11:51] to fulfill their words so he's like they put in words in my mouth.

[00:11:55] Yeah.

[00:11:56] Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say the Lord declares

[00:12:02] though I've not fucking spoken?

[00:12:05] So he's like y'all be going around behind my back saying shit about me.

[00:12:10] Right, right.

[00:12:11] Therefore this is what the sovereign Lord says that he says.

[00:12:16] Okay.

[00:12:17] This is what he says he says to Ezekiel that he wants him to say he says.

[00:12:21] So this is where he's prophesying to the prophets who profited?

[00:12:23] Mm-hmm.

[00:12:24] Okay.

[00:12:25] Because of your false words and lying visions I am against you declares the

[00:12:31] sovereign Lord.

[00:12:32] Okay.

[00:12:33] And I think that he told them and you gotta sing it just like that.

[00:12:35] Is that what he...

[00:12:36] I am against you.

[00:12:37] Yeah.

[00:12:38] Right.

[00:12:39] And will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations,

[00:12:44] lying liars.

[00:12:45] Okay.

[00:12:46] And the lies who tell them.

[00:12:48] Mm-hmm.

[00:12:49] Wait, lying liars and wait how did...

[00:12:51] I don't remember.

[00:12:52] Yeah.

[00:12:53] It's Frank...

[00:12:54] Franken what's his name?

[00:12:55] Al Franken.

[00:12:56] Al Franken he wrote a book.

[00:12:57] Lies and the lying liars who tell them?

[00:12:59] Yeah.

[00:13:00] I'm pretty sure that's what I'm gonna say.

[00:13:01] Lies and the lying liars who tell them.

[00:13:03] Right, yeah.

[00:13:04] Yeah, I just I love that title.

[00:13:05] Yeah.

[00:13:06] Okay, sorry.

[00:13:07] I don't belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of Israel.

[00:13:11] Oh, that's big business.

[00:13:12] Yeah, because when we covered that before when they don't listen to the records that basically

[00:13:16] means they're erasing all...

[00:13:18] All their history.

[00:13:19] Yeah.

[00:13:20] And that whole family is...

[00:13:21] Yeah, like your whole line of family.

[00:13:22] Yeah.

[00:13:23] It's not just that they're not gonna list your name but like your entire familial name

[00:13:27] is erased.

[00:13:28] Yeah, your progeny is like gone from the culture.

[00:13:31] Yeah, that's a big deal.

[00:13:32] Yeah, you're cut off.

[00:13:33] Right.

[00:13:34] I mean that's basically fancy words for saying bitch bye.

[00:13:37] Yeah.

[00:13:38] Yeah.

[00:13:39] Nor will they enter the land of Israel.

[00:13:41] Oh, plump, plump.

[00:13:42] No promised land for you.

[00:13:44] Wait, aren't they already in Israel?

[00:13:46] No, now he's talking to them.

[00:13:48] They're back at the...

[00:13:49] Okay, so remember in the last chapter the vision ended and then...

[00:13:55] He got dropped off back at the river...

[00:13:59] Oh, so like he's talking to the elders that are sitting there in his house that

[00:14:03] is exactly the elders.

[00:14:05] Okay, okay, okay.

[00:14:06] And that was like three or four chapters ago that like Ezekiel started to have this vision

[00:14:12] while these elders were visiting his house and we were like,

[00:14:15] God damn you have a house up in Babylon?

[00:14:17] Well it's just been a lot of back and forth.

[00:14:19] I can't keep track of whether he's in Jerusalem or if he's in Babylon

[00:14:21] because there's been...

[00:14:23] The timelines and the way it's happening hasn't been real clear.

[00:14:26] They're not real clear.

[00:14:27] Yeah.

[00:14:28] And it's been a little scattered as to how they cover it.

[00:14:29] Yeah, and without notes like we would be so lost.

[00:14:32] Right, right.

[00:14:33] Because not only were we like, oh you got a house up there in Babylon?

[00:14:37] That's cool.

[00:14:38] Nice for you, whatever.

[00:14:40] Doesn't really sound like refugee status or whatever.

[00:14:44] Like you sound like you're okay I guess.

[00:14:46] And then not only that but you have visitors.

[00:14:49] Okay.

[00:14:50] And then the visitors were the fucking elders which you made it sound so casual

[00:14:55] like, oh I guess they just come by.

[00:14:57] Yeah.

[00:14:58] And apparently according to what we read back in that chapter.

[00:15:01] Yes, the elders did come by regularly probably to hear,

[00:15:05] you know, hey what's the haps with that God guy.

[00:15:08] Yeah.

[00:15:09] So yeah, so he's talking to them now and he's like,

[00:15:12] oh y'all been saying some shit just FYI.

[00:15:15] God's telling me to tell you that he gon getcha.

[00:15:18] Yeah.

[00:15:19] Which is why he's been saying like this entire book,

[00:15:22] he gon getcha.

[00:15:23] Yeah.

[00:15:24] That's basically the Bible in a nutshell so far as he gon getcha.

[00:15:28] I just imagine this message wasn't received well by them.

[00:15:30] Right.

[00:15:31] You know, like they all came to his house and they're all sitting there

[00:15:33] and he's telling them hey.

[00:15:34] I know.

[00:15:35] God says you guys are fucked.

[00:15:36] Yeah.

[00:15:37] And then there's like, net tracks.

[00:15:39] And then.

[00:15:40] Is that what happened?

[00:15:41] And then he's like, and I have to go to bed now so please leave.

[00:15:45] Good night bye.

[00:15:46] Bye, thank you.

[00:15:47] Like oh please don't kill me.

[00:15:49] Then you will know that I am the sovereign lord.

[00:15:52] Okay.

[00:15:53] Cause you know, he always gotta add that.

[00:15:55] Yeah, sure.

[00:15:56] Cause they lead my people astray saying peace when there is no peace.

[00:16:00] And because when a flimsy wall is built,

[00:16:03] they cover it with whitewash therefore tell those jack holes

[00:16:07] who cover it with whitewash that it is gon fall.

[00:16:10] He didn't really call them jack holes.

[00:16:12] No I know.

[00:16:13] But it sounded like a fun thing to say.

[00:16:14] Pretty much any time you interject a cuss word into the Bible

[00:16:16] it's not you know.

[00:16:17] I know.

[00:16:18] Actually there.

[00:16:19] I just.

[00:16:20] I've gathered that over the years that we've been doing this

[00:16:21] that you do that.

[00:16:22] Right.

[00:16:23] I do.

[00:16:24] I also am trying to just put it out there for new listeners.

[00:16:27] Yeah, sure.

[00:16:28] That I sometimes add random words.

[00:16:29] You do.

[00:16:30] Rain will come in torrents and I will send hail stones hurtling down

[00:16:35] and violent winds will burst forth.

[00:16:38] That literally happened to us last week.

[00:16:40] Did it?

[00:16:41] I don't even remember that.

[00:16:42] Okay well was it a few weeks ago then?

[00:16:43] Maybe.

[00:16:44] Whenever we had that hail and the strong winds and whatever.

[00:16:47] Yeah, yeah.

[00:16:48] A recent late ish I guess.

[00:16:50] Yeah.

[00:16:51] I said last week but it was probably like last month.

[00:16:53] What is time?

[00:16:54] Yeah.

[00:16:55] When the wall collapses will people not ask you where's the whitewash

[00:17:00] you covered it with?

[00:17:02] Will they ask that?

[00:17:03] I would think that that would not be the first thing I would ask

[00:17:05] as to where the whitewash is.

[00:17:06] Where did it go?

[00:17:07] The fucking wall just collapsed.

[00:17:09] I'm not asking about the whitewash.

[00:17:10] Why would I ask about the whitewash?

[00:17:12] But my paint job.

[00:17:15] Therefore this is what the sovereign Lord says.

[00:17:18] Okay.

[00:17:19] He said this is what he says he says.

[00:17:20] Okay.

[00:17:21] In my wrath I will unleash a violent wind and in my anger

[00:17:25] hail stones and torrents of rain will fall with destructive fury.

[00:17:29] So he's like remember just then when I said I was going to bring a storm?

[00:17:32] So now tell him I'm going to bring a storm.

[00:17:34] I find it interesting unless this is just like symbolism for Babylon invading

[00:17:40] but this is a natural disaster.

[00:17:44] This is not God using Babylon as a tool to destroy Jerusalem.

[00:17:49] Ha.

[00:17:50] Now see I actually read in the notes and I didn't think to jot it down

[00:17:54] because it didn't seem important or relevant.

[00:17:56] Okay.

[00:17:57] But now that you say that.

[00:17:58] Yeah.

[00:17:59] Apologists are saying that the storm is symbolic for the Babylonian

[00:18:07] concrete.

[00:18:08] I'm going to push back a little bit because in Ezekiel specifically

[00:18:13] versus other prophets that we've read so far.

[00:18:15] Mm-hmm.

[00:18:16] Ezekiel is very vague as to how these prophecies are going to transpire.

[00:18:20] Yeah.

[00:18:21] And they often involve not saying exactly how it's going to happen.

[00:18:28] Right.

[00:18:29] So like he leaves it open there is some type of thing that's going

[00:18:33] to happen.

[00:18:34] Right.

[00:18:35] That's going to destroy the walls and or the people and what have you.

[00:18:38] And it might be like a storm.

[00:18:40] It might be a storm.

[00:18:42] It might resemble a storm.

[00:18:44] Right.

[00:18:45] It could be a storming of bad guys that get us.

[00:18:49] But it just strikes me that why are some prophets able to prophesize

[00:18:54] directly about what's going to happen and some have to be very

[00:18:59] vague and use a lot of symbolism.

[00:19:01] Like why are there two different types of messages that God is

[00:19:05] sending to these people because Jeremiah was in the same basic

[00:19:08] timeframe as what Ezekiel is.

[00:19:10] Okay.

[00:19:11] So I can answer that if we're going with the obviously God

[00:19:14] doesn't exist.

[00:19:15] Right.

[00:19:16] Sure.

[00:19:17] Okay.

[00:19:18] So if we're going with that here's why because Jeremiah was

[00:19:20] very specific.

[00:19:21] Right.

[00:19:22] But he was not part of the he was not a prisoner in Babylon.

[00:19:26] He was a double agent on the free mostly.

[00:19:29] I mean that's the idea that we came up.

[00:19:31] Yeah.

[00:19:32] Yeah.

[00:19:33] So he knew what was happening in both places because he

[00:19:36] had family in high places in Jerusalem and also he was

[00:19:41] in direct words with Babylon.

[00:19:44] So if we're to take this if we're to give them the benefit of

[00:19:47] the doubt, right, we could say that Jeremiah was just a

[00:19:51] double agent, right?

[00:19:52] And he could be the wins easier.

[00:19:54] And he can because he's in Jerusalem and he could see what's

[00:19:56] happening and then as he was able to be more specific.

[00:19:59] Right.

[00:20:00] And but then Ezekiel is in Babylon prophesizing what's

[00:20:02] going to happen in Jerusalem.

[00:20:03] And he's only got that part of the story.

[00:20:05] Right.

[00:20:06] But again, it is God telling him to say these words that

[00:20:10] are going to happen and hypothetically according to the Bible.

[00:20:14] The same thing was happening to Jeremiah or yeah, Jeremiah.

[00:20:17] So I mean it's still the word of God prophesizing these

[00:20:21] things through the prophets.

[00:20:23] And so that's that's where it gets a little you know,

[00:20:26] heroin is with you know, muddle with the regard to

[00:20:29] the message.

[00:20:30] I was giving the actual real answer and you were

[00:20:32] asking like why can't God deliver better messages?

[00:20:37] And I was like because God isn't right.

[00:20:39] Right.

[00:20:40] I'm saying in Canon obviously, right?

[00:20:42] Not you know, we obviously don't believe that God exists.

[00:20:45] So but I'm we're trying to give this the sense that we're

[00:20:50] trying to sometimes it's worth taking out his word.

[00:20:53] How does that work?

[00:20:54] Right.

[00:20:55] Okay.

[00:20:56] And in essence, it doesn't.

[00:20:58] Right.

[00:20:59] It just doesn't.

[00:21:00] Yeah.

[00:21:01] All right.

[00:21:02] So God is still yakking.

[00:21:03] Okay.

[00:21:04] So you will tear down the wall.

[00:21:06] You have covered with whitewash and I will level it to

[00:21:08] the ground so that its foundation will be laid bare.

[00:21:11] Okay.

[00:21:12] When it falls, you will be destroyed in it and you

[00:21:16] will know that I am the Lord.

[00:21:18] Such a friendly, friendly bit of a.

[00:21:20] He's so sweet.

[00:21:21] Terror that's going to happen there.

[00:21:23] He's so sweet when he kills his own people.

[00:21:25] Right.

[00:21:26] So I will pour out my wrath against the wall and

[00:21:28] against those who covered it with whitewash because

[00:21:31] murder is fun and I love it.

[00:21:33] I love killing people.

[00:21:35] Fear the Lord.

[00:21:36] It does seem to happen quite a bit.

[00:21:38] He always says fear the Lord.

[00:21:39] Never, never not be afraid.

[00:21:41] Never not be afraid.

[00:21:42] Yeah.

[00:21:43] Yeah.

[00:21:44] I will say to you, the wall is gone and so are those

[00:21:46] who whitewashed it.

[00:21:47] Those prophets of Israel who prophesied to Jerusalem

[00:21:50] and saw visions of peace for her when there was

[00:21:53] no peace.

[00:21:54] How dare they see peace?

[00:21:55] Declare the sovereign Lord.

[00:21:57] It's the place that I mean obviously he's saying

[00:21:59] it's a false message.

[00:22:00] So yeah.

[00:22:01] They don't like false messages in the Bible.

[00:22:03] Right, right.

[00:22:04] I'm just like why you got to be so murdery?

[00:22:07] You could prove your point and get so much more

[00:22:11] love and fear for you if you weren't such a dick.

[00:22:15] Well and if you presented yourself outside of

[00:22:17] like again we've talked about this multiple times

[00:22:19] but like if you presented yourself outside of

[00:22:21] prophets who are a bit unreliable.

[00:22:24] Right.

[00:22:25] Maybe people would be more inclined to believe

[00:22:26] that you exist and actually fear you, right?

[00:22:28] Why do you keep picking weirdos as your reps?

[00:22:31] What, yeah I mean it's really odd.

[00:22:34] We've found many faults with the three prophets

[00:22:37] that we've read about thus far.

[00:22:38] Well the three prophets that we've read about post

[00:22:40] the time of Moses and everything so.

[00:22:42] It's almost like God doesn't have a good plan.

[00:22:45] Well.

[00:22:46] In canon.

[00:22:47] Yeah it does seem a bit like that sometimes.

[00:22:50] Yeah, yeah.

[00:22:51] It's almost like God can't tell the future

[00:22:53] and doesn't know what the fuck he's doing.

[00:22:55] And you know he has changed over time.

[00:22:59] We've seen that.

[00:23:00] Definitely.

[00:23:01] So it's almost like when people say that God is

[00:23:03] steadfast that he's not.

[00:23:05] Right.

[00:23:06] And also that like he changes his mind a lot

[00:23:10] and relents and repents.

[00:23:12] And you know it's almost like maybe God,

[00:23:16] if God is real in the Bible,

[00:23:18] it's almost like the people that wrote that shit down

[00:23:20] wrote it wrong.

[00:23:23] Yeah.

[00:23:24] That could be, I mean there's definitely going to be

[00:23:26] some human error when humans write it so.

[00:23:28] Or if they were like led to write it magically by God

[00:23:32] in canon.

[00:23:33] Yeah.

[00:23:34] It's almost like God is a bregadosio

[00:23:36] and was like hey put this in there.

[00:23:39] Put how I got a big D.

[00:23:41] Yeah.

[00:23:42] Right.

[00:23:43] Yeah make sure they all know.

[00:23:44] Yeah.

[00:23:45] Okay.

[00:23:46] Okay I'm continuing now he's still going on and on.

[00:23:48] Okay.

[00:23:49] Now son of man.

[00:23:51] You're human.

[00:23:52] You're worm.

[00:23:53] Yeah.

[00:23:54] Set your face against the daughters of your people

[00:23:56] who prophecy out of their own imagination.

[00:23:58] Oh I forgot yeah he's going after the women's now.

[00:24:01] Oh well because that tracks.

[00:24:03] Yeah the prophet testes.

[00:24:05] Well I mean he is angry at them because they always

[00:24:07] have those are share pulls around and stuff so.

[00:24:09] Yeah.

[00:24:10] Well yeah but he's not going after like just women

[00:24:12] in general he's going after specifically

[00:24:14] the prophets that are women.

[00:24:17] That's interesting to me actually because I don't

[00:24:19] know that I've actually specifically heard that there

[00:24:22] are women prophets.

[00:24:23] Right.

[00:24:24] Thus far in the Bible at all.

[00:24:26] Prior to this we heard of a witch the witch of Endor.

[00:24:30] Sure.

[00:24:31] We've heard of enchantresses.

[00:24:33] Right there was also Moses's sister.

[00:24:36] Mm-hmm.

[00:24:37] Which she was kind of important.

[00:24:38] Wasn't her name Miriam or Miriam.

[00:24:40] That sounds about right and then God made her not

[00:24:43] be able to speak ever again.

[00:24:44] Yeah.

[00:24:45] So you know.

[00:24:46] Because he's a dick.

[00:24:47] Yeah.

[00:24:48] So there were women we just don't give a shit about them

[00:24:51] as usual.

[00:24:52] Generally yeah.

[00:24:53] Yeah.

[00:24:54] So anyway prophecy against those bitches and say

[00:24:57] this is what the sovereign Lord says you know tell

[00:25:01] him I says that I says woe to the women who so

[00:25:04] magic charms on all their wrists and make veils

[00:25:07] of various lengths for their heads in order to

[00:25:10] ensnare people.

[00:25:12] Those witches.

[00:25:13] Probably because they are they're dripping with

[00:25:15] honey and stuff remember.

[00:25:17] Oh yeah.

[00:25:18] Those honey licking.

[00:25:19] They're they're they're in the honey cover lips.

[00:25:21] They're in snaring them with their sexual wiles

[00:25:23] and their honey covered lips.

[00:25:24] Yeah.

[00:25:25] Yeah.

[00:25:26] Oh they nasty.

[00:25:27] They're gonna make you walk that crooked path.

[00:25:30] Will you ensnare the lives of my people but

[00:25:34] preserve your own.

[00:25:35] I mean yeah.

[00:25:36] Right.

[00:25:37] Yeah.

[00:25:38] That is what I will do.

[00:25:39] Yeah.

[00:25:40] Sure.

[00:25:41] You have profaned me among my people for a few

[00:25:43] handfuls of barley and scraps of bread.

[00:25:46] He's like you sold your soul for such a low price.

[00:25:50] Right but he's not even talking directly to them.

[00:25:52] Right.

[00:25:53] Like he literally has not said these words to them.

[00:25:55] Right.

[00:25:56] So he's saying this through Ezekiel again.

[00:25:58] He's like Ezekiel go tell them that they should

[00:26:01] have charged higher prices.

[00:26:04] By lying to my people who listen to lies you

[00:26:07] have killed those who should not have died

[00:26:09] and have spared those who should not live.

[00:26:12] Okay.

[00:26:13] I don't really see that.

[00:26:15] They spared who should I mean like it's not up to

[00:26:17] them to make those decisions right.

[00:26:19] Well okay what he's saying is you let them astray

[00:26:21] and therefore these people obviously these men

[00:26:24] can't be helped they would have been fine.

[00:26:27] They've had that that theme has run through the

[00:26:29] Old Testament quite a bit and I do not like that

[00:26:31] at all.

[00:26:32] The men are fine.

[00:26:33] It's the women leading them astray.

[00:26:35] Men are just mere monkeys.

[00:26:37] Yeah.

[00:26:38] They cannot help themselves and therefore as I

[00:26:40] always say I will agree with you if men are

[00:26:42] monkeys and cannot control themselves and can't

[00:26:44] help it they should not be in power or have

[00:26:47] driver's licenses or be allowed to vote because

[00:26:50] they're just monkeys they can't help it.

[00:26:52] Right.

[00:26:53] Those poor.

[00:26:54] I'm inclined to agree with you generally.

[00:26:56] They just can't help it.

[00:26:57] Yeah.

[00:26:58] They see a woman and they go spore yoyoyoyoy

[00:27:00] and they gotta go get it and hit it.

[00:27:02] I'm very proud of the fact that I'm able

[00:27:04] to think on my own and come to my own

[00:27:06] conclusions and create my own actions

[00:27:08] based on my own morals.

[00:27:10] It's almost like you're not a monkey and that

[00:27:12] you can help it.

[00:27:14] I endeavor to be just me.

[00:27:16] Right.

[00:27:17] And I'm pretty happy with that.

[00:27:18] Yeah.

[00:27:19] So thus far.

[00:27:20] But throughout the Bible.

[00:27:21] The changes I'll let you know.

[00:27:22] This whole book is just like an

[00:27:23] apologist for men being rapey nasty fucks.

[00:27:26] It does seem that way sometimes yeah.

[00:27:28] Yeah.

[00:27:29] Yeah.

[00:27:30] So this again is those men would have

[00:27:31] been walking the straight path had these

[00:27:33] damn bitches not led them astray.

[00:27:36] Right.

[00:27:37] And I'm like maybe they were already

[00:27:40] astray and that's how they found the witches.

[00:27:42] Yeah.

[00:27:43] I would imagine yeah.

[00:27:44] You don't just like walk down the street

[00:27:46] and trip over a wedge like oh hey.

[00:27:48] Hey while you're down there can you throw me

[00:27:51] a spell.

[00:27:52] They know that they got to walk down

[00:27:53] you know that dark alley to find them

[00:27:55] so they chose to walk down that dark

[00:27:57] alley first.

[00:27:58] They knew where they were going.

[00:27:59] Mm-hmm.

[00:28:00] Therefore this is what the sovereign

[00:28:02] Lord says.

[00:28:03] Okay.

[00:28:04] Tell them what I says.

[00:28:05] Yeah.

[00:28:06] I'm gonna take charms with which you

[00:28:08] and snare people like birds.

[00:28:10] And I will tear them from your arms.

[00:28:13] So you let them astray you damn bitch

[00:28:16] so I'm gonna kill them.

[00:28:17] Yeah.

[00:28:18] And it's your fault not me the murderer

[00:28:20] it's your fault.

[00:28:21] Yeah.

[00:28:22] And not their fault because they were

[00:28:23] tricked but I'm still going to kill them anyway.

[00:28:25] Why are you making me kill the people

[00:28:27] that you let astray and you because

[00:28:29] what woman what.

[00:28:31] Maybe just don't kill him.

[00:28:33] Right.

[00:28:34] Like hold on hold on.

[00:28:35] Don't murder.

[00:28:36] Right.

[00:28:37] It's like one of your commandments.

[00:28:38] You literally have told us God

[00:28:40] in the Bible in Canon has told us

[00:28:42] that he has the ability to change

[00:28:44] people's hearts.

[00:28:45] Mm-hmm.

[00:28:46] Change their fucking hearts.

[00:28:47] Yeah.

[00:28:48] Don't kill them.

[00:28:49] Yeah.

[00:28:50] Send them a message show them that

[00:28:51] you're powerful show them something.

[00:28:53] Let's be problem solvers.

[00:28:55] Right.

[00:28:56] Right.

[00:28:57] Yeah.

[00:28:58] I will set free the people that you

[00:28:59] and snare like birds.

[00:29:02] Why we got to be ensnaring birds all

[00:29:04] the time.

[00:29:05] I don't know.

[00:29:06] No.

[00:29:07] I will tear off your veils and save

[00:29:08] my people from your hands

[00:29:10] and they will no longer fall prey to

[00:29:12] your power.

[00:29:13] Oh so they got power.

[00:29:14] That's cool.

[00:29:15] I mean as he's in me.

[00:29:16] Yeah he said that.

[00:29:17] Wow.

[00:29:18] He's granting them power.

[00:29:19] That's kind of cool.

[00:29:20] They probably were influenced by

[00:29:21] Lilith or something.

[00:29:22] Oh yeah yeah yeah.

[00:29:23] Yeah Lilith the ultimate she mail.

[00:29:25] Yeah.

[00:29:26] She got it.

[00:29:27] Right.

[00:29:28] Then you will know that I am

[00:29:29] the Lord.

[00:29:30] Well we.

[00:29:31] Well you know that.

[00:29:32] I said it a bunch of times.

[00:29:33] A hundred times.

[00:29:34] A hundred times.

[00:29:35] Not because you told us.

[00:29:36] Right.

[00:29:37] Okay.

[00:29:38] Because you disheartened the righteous

[00:29:40] with your lies when I had brought

[00:29:43] them no grief and because you

[00:29:46] encouraged the wicked not to turn

[00:29:48] from their evil ways and so saved

[00:29:51] their lives therefore you will

[00:29:53] no longer see false visions or

[00:29:55] practice divination.

[00:29:57] Okay.

[00:29:58] Hold on hold on hold on.

[00:29:59] Wait so they were seeing visions.

[00:30:00] I was seeing visions therefore in

[00:30:04] my mind like if I'm seeing visions

[00:30:06] I'm thinking surely they come from

[00:30:08] God right.

[00:30:09] Well but God was saying he's going

[00:30:10] to stop them from seeing visions

[00:30:11] right so he was allowing it before

[00:30:13] by that line of thought right.

[00:30:15] Yeah.

[00:30:16] Why was God allowing them to see

[00:30:17] false visions.

[00:30:18] Right.

[00:30:19] And now he's going to stop them

[00:30:20] from seeing those visions.

[00:30:21] And he's punishing them and the

[00:30:23] people that were led astray by

[00:30:25] them and those women if they

[00:30:27] were really seeing visions.

[00:30:29] Right.

[00:30:30] Probably really thought that they

[00:30:31] were seeing God's vision.

[00:30:32] Well yeah if you see a fucking

[00:30:34] vision and you live in a time

[00:30:35] when apparently God is all around

[00:30:37] or something like this.

[00:30:38] And there's prophets running

[00:30:39] around.

[00:30:40] There's prophets everywhere

[00:30:41] you're going to think that

[00:30:42] that vision you saw was from God

[00:30:43] and if God has the ability to

[00:30:44] end you seeing those visions

[00:30:46] it only makes sense that God

[00:30:48] allowed you to see those

[00:30:49] visions in the first place.

[00:30:50] Otherwise he would have stopped

[00:30:51] it before.

[00:30:52] Right.

[00:30:53] Yeah.

[00:30:54] So he's essentially allowing

[00:30:55] the thing to happen.

[00:30:56] So these people and then he's

[00:30:57] going to kill people for having

[00:30:58] these things happen to them.

[00:30:59] Right.

[00:31:00] That they can't help.

[00:31:01] That's because see I thought that

[00:31:03] he was saying you're liars and

[00:31:04] you lie and you made that shit up.

[00:31:06] Right.

[00:31:07] But what he's just saying is

[00:31:08] you were having some visions

[00:31:10] but that shit didn't come from

[00:31:11] me and I'm going to stop that.

[00:31:13] Right.

[00:31:14] And it's like hang on,

[00:31:15] hang on, hang on.

[00:31:16] I'm not okay with this sir.

[00:31:18] Yeah.

[00:31:19] Like no.

[00:31:20] That's just a bad,

[00:31:21] that's a bad scenario there.

[00:31:23] The whole thing is not good.

[00:31:25] I don't like that.

[00:31:26] I'm not going down with that.

[00:31:27] No.

[00:31:28] So he is going to stop them from

[00:31:29] seeing false visions or

[00:31:31] practicing divination and I'm

[00:31:32] like what are you going to break

[00:31:33] my fingers?

[00:31:34] I could throw a god damn phone.

[00:31:35] What?

[00:31:36] I will save my people from your

[00:31:38] hands and then you will know

[00:31:40] that your name is the Lord.

[00:31:42] I'm the Lord.

[00:31:43] He's the Lord.

[00:31:44] I'm the Lord.

[00:31:45] Yep.

[00:31:46] The end.

[00:31:47] Because he stopped it,

[00:31:48] the thing that he let happen.

[00:31:49] Yeah.

[00:31:50] Okay.

[00:31:51] Good job you.

[00:31:52] Yeah, great.

[00:31:53] Yeah.

[00:31:54] That's awesome.

[00:31:55] So let me ask you this.

[00:31:56] Were there other gods?

[00:31:57] Was it like where did those visions come from?

[00:31:59] I don't know.

[00:32:00] Sometimes they do lend power to demons in the Bible

[00:32:02] and say that those things are caused by

[00:32:04] these outside influences or whatever.

[00:32:06] I mean we just literally read about

[00:32:08] that in our book club on Sunday.

[00:32:11] Right, but he's claiming, again,

[00:32:13] he's claiming the ability to stop it

[00:32:15] which means that he at some level

[00:32:17] allowed those things that whether it was

[00:32:19] him or a demon.

[00:32:20] Right.

[00:32:21] He was aware that they were happening.

[00:32:22] He allowed them to happen.

[00:32:23] Right.

[00:32:24] You know essentially.

[00:32:25] Right.

[00:32:26] What if it was other gods,

[00:32:28] like those little minor gods,

[00:32:30] those other deities from other places.

[00:32:32] The ones that sometimes exist and sometimes don't?

[00:32:34] Right, exactly.

[00:32:35] Right.

[00:32:36] So I don't know,

[00:32:37] I just feel like these women got a bum rap.

[00:32:39] I just don't know how when you have one person

[00:32:41] telling you the correct message

[00:32:42] versus like 100 other people telling you

[00:32:45] wrong messages, right?

[00:32:46] And they're all different.

[00:32:47] Well but he's talking about the peaceful message, right?

[00:32:50] So it corresponds with peace.

[00:32:52] Yeah.

[00:32:53] They're telling you a message that corresponds

[00:32:55] with each other.

[00:32:56] Yeah.

[00:32:57] And there's one person saying something counter.

[00:32:58] Yeah.

[00:32:59] And he's acting weird and digging holes and walls.

[00:33:01] And seeing fucking eyeballs on wheelchairs

[00:33:03] with fucking angels with four heads and...

[00:33:07] Boxes and sphinxes.

[00:33:09] That doesn't sound like the most fucking

[00:33:11] reliable source to me.

[00:33:13] Yeah, I'm gonna go with the ones

[00:33:14] preaching peace honestly.

[00:33:16] Sounds better to me.

[00:33:17] Yeah, I mean,

[00:33:18] Jesus did.

[00:33:19] Right.

[00:33:20] I mean, I'm not there yet.

[00:33:21] So spoilers.

[00:33:22] We don't know for sure.

[00:33:23] Right.

[00:33:24] I've heard that he...

[00:33:25] That's the word on the street.

[00:33:26] The things that I've heard about Jesus

[00:33:28] is that he's all like into peace and stuff.

[00:33:30] But I don't know.

[00:33:31] I've also been told that he's too woke.

[00:33:34] Got it.

[00:33:35] So...

[00:33:36] Well, I guess we'll have to see when we get there.

[00:33:37] Yeah.

[00:33:38] And obviously the way people think of Jesus

[00:33:41] has changed dramatically just over the last

[00:33:44] 10 years.

[00:33:45] And even prior to that,

[00:33:47] over the last several hundred years.

[00:33:49] Oh yeah, definitely.

[00:33:51] I mean, I think it's been a constant change

[00:33:53] over thousands of years.

[00:33:55] But specifically in our time,

[00:33:57] in our lifetime,

[00:33:58] it has definitely changed in our lifetime.

[00:34:00] Dramatically.

[00:34:01] As to what fearfully that is.

[00:34:02] Yeah.

[00:34:03] So before, like,

[00:34:04] Jesus was just kind of weird to me.

[00:34:07] Like I didn't get it.

[00:34:08] Yeah.

[00:34:09] And over the last 10 years,

[00:34:12] I am actually like scared

[00:34:15] of having a Jesus conversation with people

[00:34:17] because they literally

[00:34:20] don't like their own guy.

[00:34:23] Sometimes.

[00:34:24] And they want to shove his boot up

[00:34:27] your ass or something.

[00:34:28] Right.

[00:34:29] And they think that Jesus was not for peace

[00:34:31] and love,

[00:34:32] and that he was actually for war.

[00:34:34] Again, it depends on what denomination

[00:34:36] you're talking about.

[00:34:37] But I mean, oftentimes when you're talking

[00:34:38] about like the...

[00:34:39] White nationalist...

[00:34:41] Right wing...

[00:34:42] Public and nut heads.

[00:34:44] Oftentimes, yes.

[00:34:46] Yeah.

[00:34:47] Yeah, for sure.

[00:34:48] Yeah.

[00:34:49] Do you have anything else to go over tonight?

[00:34:50] No, I'm just ranting at this point.

[00:34:52] Yeah, alright.

[00:34:53] So that was Ezekiel chapter 13.

[00:34:56] Indeed it was.

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[00:35:00] Ezekiel chapter 14.

[00:35:02] Alright, we'll see you then.

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