Bible Study by Atheists: Ezekiel Chapters 6 - 10 plus Q&A and Sacrilegious Book Club

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[00:01:50] Spend wife. Do you remember what happened on Friday and where the hell we are today?

[00:01:56] Well, I think God made Ezekiel shave his head

[00:02:00] Mm-hmm, and then with a sword with it. Well, yeah, that's right with a sword. Mm-hmm

[00:02:05] Jesus that must have had to suck. Yeah, I mean I'm just saying right but

[00:02:09] Then when he divided his hair then they sprinkled the hair in different places on the little clay model

[00:02:15] Of Jerusalem little dollhouse little dollhouse. Yeah, and then they burnt some of them up and

[00:02:22] Set some of it was a symbolism. It was symbolizing like what was gonna happen to the

[00:02:28] Israel lights, you know, and then he was allowed to take like two or three little hairs and sew into his shirt or whatever

[00:02:34] Yeah, yeah sure to display that it's the remnant right. Yeah

[00:02:39] Anyway, we were playing with hair in the last chapter. So that was Ezekiel chapter five

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[00:05:57] All right. So we are hopping into ezekiel chapter six awesome. Okay. Yeah, are we are we we're gonna like

[00:06:05] Losing any more body parts today?

[00:06:07] Just or is it just hair that we're losing? I don't think we're losing any parts or hair

[00:06:11] Okay, um from what I saw gods just given them what for got it. So I think that's what we're in store for

[00:06:17] All right sounds normal

[00:06:19] Right

[00:06:21] The word of the lord came to me

[00:06:24] Okay, me is eekiel. Yeah. Okay quote. So now he's telling us what god said sure

[00:06:30] Son of man, you know, you know, you're a fucking human. Yeah

[00:06:35] Set your face against the mountains of israel. So look that direction. Okay

[00:06:40] Prophecy against them and say

[00:06:43] You mountains of israel hear the word of the sovereign lord

[00:06:47] This is what the sovereign lord says to the mountains and hills to the ravines and valleys

[00:06:53] I'm about to bring a sword against you and I will destroy your high places

[00:06:58] I was about to ask actually guy

[00:07:00] It feel like when they're referring to obviously they kind of alluded to it there

[00:07:04] But like when they mentioned the mountains and the hills and the ravines

[00:07:08] These are places where they kind of alluded to throughout the bible

[00:07:12] That bad shit was happening like they've got the they're pagan worship. Yeah

[00:07:16] Yeah, and their altars to other gods and their idle statues and their

[00:07:23] Child sacrifice and their sex practices and all that. Yeah. Yeah

[00:07:28] I mean in order to not be bad apparently you just have to stay in Jerusalem all the time

[00:07:32] And don't go into don't go into anywhere veins or mountains or hills, right?

[00:07:36] You if it's flat ground you might be okay

[00:07:39] But be really careful. It doesn't get anything but flat or

[00:07:43] or

[00:07:44] Be an atheist and go wherever the fuck you want not worry about it

[00:07:49] I mean, there's that too. Yeah, sure. Okay. So god is still talking. Yeah, your altars will be demolished

[00:07:56] And your incense altars will be smashed

[00:07:59] I hate it when people just demolish my incense holders me too. That's dumb. Why did they do that shit?

[00:08:04] I don't know. Yeah, you know what's funny. You don't like the smell of incense. I don't I fucking hate it

[00:08:10] I know and that makes me so sad because I fucking love it

[00:08:13] Yeah, but you know, it's funny like okay. So

[00:08:17] incense holders to me

[00:08:19] growing up right when I was younger

[00:08:21] They seemed very new age and very

[00:08:24] Huey. Yeah, but like there was this connotation

[00:08:28] With them that kind of seemed almost like anti religious

[00:08:32] And I never really kind of it was it was a counterculture thing to have

[00:08:35] incense when I was younger it felt like it felt that way like it was very the drug culture had

[00:08:41] I was gonna say like I always thought of it as trying to disguise the scent of

[00:08:47] um

[00:08:48] weed yeah, yeah, yeah, so I mean I just wonder if that's partly

[00:08:53] Where that idea is in your head from well, no, I wonder if I wonder if there was actually I don't know this because I don't know

[00:09:02] How people felt about it back then exactly

[00:09:05] But I wonder if there was a bad connotation with with regard to incense. Oh, I'm sure somewhat because of religious reasons

[00:09:12] I'm sure I I don't know that for sure. I'm just curious like it's a it's a curiosity that I would have

[00:09:17] It sounds like there would be right sounds like there could be

[00:09:20] Yeah

[00:09:21] So he's saying I'm gonna smash your shit and I'm gonna demolish your other shit

[00:09:25] Yeah, and I will slay your people in front of your idols

[00:09:29] Oh, okay your little statues there. They're gonna watch me kill you

[00:09:33] I

[00:09:34] Will lay the dead bodies of the israelites in front of their idols and I will scatter your bones around your altars

[00:09:43] Wow, that's not very christian

[00:09:47] To be fair he's not christian yet. Oh, I know but it's not very nice. Yeah, I'm not supposed to murder people

[00:09:53] You would think but I mean it's in the temple gathering that this is just a normal like everyday occurrence here in the bible

[00:09:59] Well to be fair too this already happened like we already read about

[00:10:04] Like this is before the the final fall of jerusalem. Sure like we already know but I mean even if you take

[00:10:11] Out the idea of the fall of jerusalem

[00:10:14] Like this is a thing that has happened to the israelites

[00:10:17] And and their enemies over and over and over again

[00:10:20] Like it just god kills people like all the fucking time

[00:10:23] I think we talk about this like every single episode now. They're go god on a murder spree again

[00:10:28] Totally. Yeah, wherever you live

[00:10:31] The towns will be laid. I thought he was gonna like go into i will find you

[00:10:37] Wherever you live the towns will be laid waste and the high places

[00:10:43] DEMOLISHED so that your altars will be laid waste and devastated

[00:10:48] Your idols smashed and ruined your incense altars broken down and now i'm just repeating myself

[00:10:55] Yeah, yeah, and what you have made wiped out. Okay. That's new

[00:10:59] What you need wiped out sure I mean in in this chapter right right he used the word smashed and

[00:11:06] Demolished too many times he really did and he was like i'm gonna

[00:11:11] Fuck up your incense and then i'm gonna fuck up your incense. Guess what i'm fucking up your incense

[00:11:16] But I do have to mention this too, but like okay chapter one and two

[00:11:21] There was definitely a different tone with those chapters than there is in these and I know we talked a little bit in our q&a about

[00:11:27] The time frame in which these were written. These feel

[00:11:31] much more in line with like

[00:11:34] What was written during uh, jeremiah's time?

[00:11:37] Ish ish. Well, here's the difference two

[00:11:40] The first two chapters were first person like Jeremiah was saying I saw this and I saw that and this happened to me and what

[00:11:48] And in these chapters, he's like here's some quoting god. It's not i'm not even in this chapter

[00:11:54] I'm just telling you what he said right

[00:11:56] So you know first person versus third person is a thing. Yeah, yeah

[00:12:01] Okay, so god is still talking okay your people will fall slain among you and you will know that I am the lord

[00:12:08] And this is the first time that we hear him say that I am the lord you will know that I am the lord

[00:12:14] Right, but he's gonna say it a whole fuck ton more. I feel like I don't know what chapter it's in but one of my favorite

[00:12:21] um

[00:12:22] Movies pulp fiction. There's a part in there where um, oh it's been too long since I've seen it

[00:12:27] But they quote I think it's from Ezekiel and then it's like and he's like getting ready to shoot somebody

[00:12:33] He's like and you will know

[00:12:35] My name is the lord and that's part of the oh damn

[00:12:38] Yeah, and that's part of the quote so I gotta look that up find out what chapter that's in

[00:12:42] Yeah, so and include that include. Yeah, I'll have to mention that. Yeah

[00:12:46] Okay, so god is still talking but guess what what what is god always say but

[00:12:52] Slightly face guess what i'm gonna do you're gonna redeem people. Yeah, i'm gonna spare song

[00:12:58] For some of you will escape the sword when you are scattered among the lands and nations because you know, I'm gonna scatter you

[00:13:04] Yeah, i'm gonna fuck your shit up and he can't even kill all their enemies

[00:13:08] When he says he's going to so I mean what makes us think that he would be able to kill all the israelites, right?

[00:13:13] Then in the nations where they have been carried captive those who escape will remember me. Yay

[00:13:21] I'm the best sadly they did

[00:13:23] Mm-hmm

[00:13:24] How I have been grieved by their adulterous hearts those cheating cheaters

[00:13:30] I'm a I'm an uh

[00:13:32] Cuck, you know

[00:13:34] I was cuckolded. I married this bitch called israel and then they fucked every man in town and and the

[00:13:42] They had they had all the idols and they did all the phallic symboly

[00:13:46] Yeah statues and shit and i'm just i'm brokenhearted. Yeah, i'm just a murdery son of a gun

[00:13:51] What we should totally feel bad for poor god never mind. I'm not even gonna finish that sentence

[00:13:57] No, because he's a dick god is sad, you know if if i married a dickhead

[00:14:02] You know then i'd probably cheat on him too. Oh, are you saying i'm not a dickhead? No, you're not a dickhead

[00:14:07] Oh, thanks. You're not a dickhead either. Thanks. Yay. We're awesome right okay, so anyway, he's like

[00:14:13] Um, I've been grieved by their adulterous hearts

[00:14:17] Which have been turned away from me and by their eyes which have lusted after their idols

[00:14:24] Where i'm god and i'm so sad

[00:14:28] They will loathe themselves for the evil they have done and for all the detestable practices

[00:14:33] This is like a mom yelling like a shitty mom yelling after her kid. You'll be sorry

[00:14:39] Right, yeah

[00:14:40] But you know what the only reason they're gonna be sorry is because god's killing them right

[00:14:44] I'm just saying like you're not actually sorry. You're sorry that you're good

[00:14:48] Like it's like any other punishment, right? You're sorry. You got caught. It's the song by Beyonce

[00:14:54] Don't tell me you're sorry when you're not

[00:14:58] Right, you're only sorry. You got caught. I don't know the words but you know sure

[00:15:02] Yeah, that one right song. Yeah, and they will know that i am the lord

[00:15:07] That's what they're gonna know

[00:15:08] I guess they will I did not threaten in vain to bring this calamity on them

[00:15:12] I promised them I was gonna fuck their shit up and then I did yeah because i'm awesome

[00:15:17] Right

[00:15:18] And that's how you can love me because you know, I followed through on my promises to fuck your shit up. Yeah

[00:15:25] This is what the sovereign lord says

[00:15:28] Okay, okay. All right strike your hands together and stamp your feet and cry a lass

[00:15:34] Is this like a line dance or something? Yeah, okay

[00:15:37] Yeah, we're all gonna do the makarena

[00:15:41] Because of all the wicked and detestable practices of the people of israel for they will fall by the sword feminine plague

[00:15:48] Okay, all right sounds opposite of dancing

[00:15:51] Right, but he wants them to strike their hands together and stamp their feet and cry a lass

[00:15:57] Okay, all right. Yep one who is far away will die of the plague

[00:16:02] And one who is near will file fall by the sword and anyone who survives and is spared will die of famine

[00:16:09] Okay, fuck all y'all. Yeah

[00:16:12] I so I

[00:16:14] I can't read because I have dyslexia for reals

[00:16:17] So will I pour out my wrath on them? See god got the wrath. Yeah, that sounds like he needs medicine

[00:16:24] I mean he has a real wrath on his ass seems to have a temper problem

[00:16:28] That's for sure

[00:16:29] And they will know that I am the lord when their people lie slaying among their idols around their altars

[00:16:36] I can tell you right now. I'm going to get sick of hearing

[00:16:39] I am the lord and they will know that I am and they will know that I'm the lord. Yeah, we know dick

[00:16:45] We know

[00:16:46] Because it's part of the quote that I like. Yeah, well, I mean not that I like that quote

[00:16:49] I like that part in the movie

[00:16:50] Yeah, and that's the quote and that's part of that quote and I'm like

[00:16:53] Oh, so we're gonna hear this all through his e-heal and it's gonna ruin

[00:16:57] Pulp fiction for you. It might. I mean at least that quote. Yeah, I can't with that movie quite honestly. No. Yeah, it's

[00:17:04] Too much. It's been a long time since I've actually watched it, but it's too far. It's too many

[00:17:09] I mean, that's kind of what um Quentin Tarantino is renowned for. Yeah, right. Yeah

[00:17:14] All right

[00:17:15] So anyway, he's like when their people lie slaying among their idols around their altars on every high hill and on

[00:17:21] all the mountain tops under every

[00:17:24] spreading tree

[00:17:26] And every leafy oak

[00:17:28] Yeah places where they offered fragrant incest incents to all their idols. Yeah, those fuckers

[00:17:36] I'm gonna kill those sons of bitches

[00:17:38] Yeah

[00:17:39] And I will stretch out my hand against them and make the land a desolate waste from the desert to dibla wherever they live

[00:17:46] Because they burned incense then they'll know that i'm the lord. Yeah the end

[00:17:50] Okay, um, I do have a slight note. It's irrelevant. Sure who really cares. Okay. Um the word dibla is used here

[00:17:57] And it's like where's that? Right? Um

[00:18:00] Who cares anyway? Um, you know the actual hebrou text does read

[00:18:07] Uh dibla, but it's suspected that um somebody transposed some letters that it looks similar and that it should say ribla

[00:18:14] which is

[00:18:15] uh city in um

[00:18:18] Uh, oh I forget where somewhere somewhere. Oh syria. Sorry. I couldn't find my notes. So I was trying to like tell you this from memory

[00:18:26] That didn't work out. No because I have none. I forgot

[00:18:29] I don't have any of those things that yeah. Anyway, um, it's a city in syria. Okay, and um, it makes sense

[00:18:37] Geographically because then it's like he's saying from north to south

[00:18:40] Remember how they would take like the farthest city each direction and use that as a like from the furthest

[00:18:47] North to the furthest south right right. So pretty sure it's ribla not dibla

[00:18:52] But like I said, that's really kind of funny actually like there's literally a misspelling in the bible that has just like

[00:18:59] Gone forward. They're just like yeah, whatever. That's what it actually that's what it said when we got it

[00:19:03] So we're gonna put it up again. And even though we're pretty sure it's wrong

[00:19:07] Yeah, but we don't know for sure and god is perfect. So

[00:19:11] You know, maybe he meant to say dibla. We don't know. Yeah, maybe there was a place called dibla. Sure. Yeah, we don't know

[00:19:18] Okay, I mean that was a few thousand years sounds pretty fucking unlikely to me

[00:19:22] But whatever I I couldn't even tell you maybe seriously. Maybe there was a city named dibla sure

[00:19:28] All right, but apparently the letters that make those sounds or whatever are very similar and have been transposed

[00:19:36] Often throughout the bible, right? So I mean we found other not we found but I've pointed out other

[00:19:43] Errors before where word was repeated because it

[00:19:48] Was at the end of the scroll or end of the line and so then they would

[00:19:53] Start it again at the next line. Yeah, so yeah, whatever there's there's errors

[00:19:58] There's definitely fucking errors in the there's errors because god did not write this

[00:20:03] and

[00:20:04] um

[00:20:05] We aren't perfect and god's not perfect because he doesn't exist

[00:20:10] Right, right

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[00:21:20] That being said that was zikiel chapter 6 sure as fuck was which means that we will be back tomorrow with easy kyle chapter 7

[00:21:29] All right, we'll see you then

[00:21:37] Husband wife do you remember what the hell happened yesterday and where the hell we are today?

[00:21:43] Well, uh yesterday. We read zikiel chapter 6 sure as fuck did and in that episode

[00:21:50] God kind of was like i'm gonna kill y'all

[00:21:54] Uh, basically like like, uh, you know those idols things that you got in the high places and the ravines and all the places

[00:22:01] Those are those are shitty places. They are shitty places. I'm gonna kill

[00:22:05] A lot of you most of you like

[00:22:08] I'm gonna I'm gonna lay you out in front of your idols and i'm gonna um

[00:22:11] I'm gonna scatter your bones all over the fucking place right and that's and that's gross and cool

[00:22:17] It's cool. No, i'm being god. I'm saying. Oh, yeah to god. Yeah. Yeah god seems to think that's cool

[00:22:22] Yeah, right. I so we were a little i mean

[00:22:26] I I want to say we were a little disturbed by the imagery

[00:22:30] But at this point it's almost commonplace. Yeah, and it's just like the regular

[00:22:34] It's hard to matter of fact. Yep. There goes god being god again

[00:22:37] It's hard to pull up the like oh my goodness. I can't believe he's doing that. Yeah. Wow all the murder

[00:22:44] The shock is gone. Yeah, we've become in your do it one might say

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[00:23:31] Um, that being said we just got done reading yesterday is Eekiel chapter six

[00:23:35] Which means that today we're getting into easy kyle chapter seven. All right. Let's do this

[00:23:51] All right, we are hopping into easy kyle chapter seven. All right, Ezekiel chapter seven. I love me some easy k

[00:23:59] Goes down nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So here we go. All right the word of the lord came to me

[00:24:07] Did it again still? Yeah, I mean, I mean that's what has been happening this whole time

[00:24:11] I suppose I wouldn't let I wouldn't keep lying on the floor for a year and a half if if the word of god

[00:24:16] Didn't keep coming to me. Right, you know, I'd be like, you know, I feel like he's ignoring me at this point

[00:24:21] I'm just gonna get up

[00:24:22] You're talking you're talking about how um in one of the previous chapters how he had to lay down on one of his sides

[00:24:28] Yeah, like

[00:24:29] Several hundred days or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. It was like 400 some days. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah

[00:24:35] Okay, so this is what god's saying. Okay ready? All right. I'm ready son of man

[00:24:40] Mere human right. Yeah. Yeah, this is what the sovereign lord says to the land of israel

[00:24:47] And of course by israel he actually means juda because right, right?

[00:24:51] I mean, he's using the terms interchangeably

[00:24:54] But the tribes of israel have all but been swallowed up

[00:24:59] And all we've got left is juda. Right. Yeah, just I mean it's still a generalization for that that

[00:25:05] Area the people is but I've always found it confusing

[00:25:10] Like as we've been reading through it took me a really long time before I understood

[00:25:16] That juda is actually the main character, right? Like, you know, before we started reading the bible

[00:25:23] I always just thought israel. It's israel everything's about israel

[00:25:28] And I didn't know that like only juda actually kind of remained

[00:25:32] Yeah, but I think that ultimately the

[00:25:35] The end game is that israel as a whole

[00:25:39] Is going to come back remember we talked about like the lost tribes previously and things like that

[00:25:43] So I mean like there's always this thought that all 12 tribes are going to come running back to israel

[00:25:49] At some point it's going to be the israelites instead of just juda, right?

[00:25:53] So like

[00:25:53] Yes, juda is all that remains currently, but that doesn't mean that that's what they're hoping

[00:25:59] They're hoping to regain all of their tribes back. I totally get that it's just as a person in 2024

[00:26:06] Or you know, we started this podcast in what 2022 2020 20 20 don't short us two years. No, sorry

[00:26:13] At any rate when we first started this podcast in 2020. Yeah, I had no idea

[00:26:19] Right. Well, I mean this is our first time reading any of this, but that's that's my point though

[00:26:24] Is every time I see israel, I'm like no, it's not right, right?

[00:26:29] But anyway that he means juda so he's saying

[00:26:32] To the land of israel aka juda the end

[00:26:36] The end has come upon the four corners of the land because you know flat earth

[00:26:43] The end is now upon you and I will unleash my anger against you as I do being he does. Yeah

[00:26:49] Angry capricious mercurial god again. Call me shocked here

[00:26:53] I will judge you according to your conduct and repay you for all your

[00:26:59] detestable practices

[00:27:00] Right, okay

[00:27:02] We look we cover this all the fucking time

[00:27:05] But here we go detestable practices do not

[00:27:09] Do not

[00:27:12] Equal murder. Yeah, like yeah, you are not equation is wrong because somebody has a goddamn statue

[00:27:17] Doesn't mean you get to murder them now. I will although did you hear about the statue that's going up in the the

[00:27:22] The national cap of the capital, you know the united states what what?

[00:27:26] So hold on. Hold on. It was uh, um, they're putting up as apparently this is not a breach of

[00:27:33] Church and state separation

[00:27:35] But there is something that is allowing some group to put up a statue that cost 650 000 dollars apparently

[00:27:42] I learned this from heyman. Um, meta meta. I can't remember how to pronounce the name exactly. Okay, but

[00:27:48] It's of billy gram

[00:27:51] Shut the fuck are you familiar with billy gram? Yeah, shut the fuck up

[00:27:54] Yeah, it's gonna be on our in our state capital apparently no and he's gonna be holding the bible and pointing at some bullshit

[00:28:00] Oh my god

[00:28:01] I'm like really we have to suffer through billy gram at our fucking not our state capital at our national capital

[00:28:07] Sorry, that's I think I said even worse. Yeah

[00:28:10] Yeah, no, it's it's terrible. I I hate I hate. Oh, yeah, I mean you can stop right there. Yeah, okay, okay

[00:28:17] Sorry, I got off again speaking of detestable practices

[00:28:21] Right. Yes, then you will know that I am the lord. Oh will we did did you know?

[00:28:27] I'm the lord. I actually don't know that he I have many questions about that if way I I'm the lord

[00:28:33] This is what the sovereign lord says ready. I'm ready disaster

[00:28:39] Unheard of disaster

[00:28:41] See it comes does it it does it comes. Okay. Yeah

[00:28:46] It gushes

[00:28:48] The end has come the end has come

[00:28:52] The sky is falling the sky is falling

[00:28:55] Like you thought like okay, we have all the end is nigh people, right? Yeah, and he's like the end is come, right?

[00:29:01] But we all know we all know that there's gonna be a remnant left, right?

[00:29:06] Like even according to the bible, right? Yeah, there's gonna be a remnant left and some of them will survive

[00:29:11] So it's not exactly the end. He's just killing a lot of fucking people and then sending them back later

[00:29:15] Right, like that's not the end. So is it like the end or is it like?

[00:29:20] Um, just the first book in the chapter of their like 20 book series, right? Yeah

[00:29:27] That's not the end bro. If that's if that's the case then we've hit many ends already

[00:29:32] So it has roused itself against you. Yeah, it did roused. I love it when a country arouses itself

[00:29:42] See it comes

[00:29:44] Doom has come upon you upon you who dwell in the land. Yeah, the time has come

[00:29:51] The day is near

[00:29:54] This is like he's saying the same thing just over and over again. Yeah, it's the end. Okay. We get it

[00:29:59] Yep, there is panic not joy on the mountains. I mean if i'm being killed by a god

[00:30:04] I suppose I'd be panicking and or people if i'm being killed period

[00:30:08] Yeah, i'm probably panicking and not joyful not joyful, right?

[00:30:12] I'm about to pour out my wrath on you and spend my anger against you

[00:30:18] Now I know we've heard that before because it's my favorite thing to say i'm about to

[00:30:23] So I know I said that yesterday. Yeah, i'm about to get you

[00:30:27] We're getting into some repetitive like um

[00:30:30] Crazing every book just like we do in that. Yeah every book every book

[00:30:34] It's like they they shoot their shot in the first three chapters

[00:30:37] And you know what I got by the time we get to like chapter four and five

[00:30:40] They're like, oh we're out of material

[00:30:42] Yeah, but I gotta say Ezekiel did shoot a good shot

[00:30:44] He did that fucking that fever dream of a fucking drug trip at the beginning of this book

[00:30:50] Was crazy. Yeah, actually just in case y'all missed it

[00:30:55] Over the weekend we did a patreon episode about angels, but also fuck angels, right?

[00:31:01] And it was it was a good end. I think yeah, so y'all probably want to get up there from Ezekiel chapter one

[00:31:07] Yeah, somewhat. Yeah because supposedly he saw all them things, you know, right?

[00:31:11] So just putting that out there. Yeah plug in plug in my good work one more time. Yeah, no plug in my work

[00:31:17] Oh, well, yeah, you do put a lot of research into those. It's a good end. Yeah

[00:31:21] Okay, I will judge you according to your conduct says god and repay you for all your detestable practices

[00:31:29] All that sex you be having up in those trees. I don't know if I want you to repay me man

[00:31:33] You just keep your you know whatever we're good. Yeah, keep the change, bitch

[00:31:39] I will not look on you with pity. Have you ever nobody thought you might right?

[00:31:44] I will not spare you. I mean but you will though some you will spare some

[00:31:49] But that's what it means. You're you're gonna spare some so you can't say I'm not gonna spare you as a nation

[00:31:56] And then say that the nation is gonna, you know kind of survive a little right

[00:32:01] And there's not really a reason for because he still calls those people shitty too because he's gonna you're all bad

[00:32:07] But I'm gonna let some of you live so that later on 10 generations from now or whatever the fuck the time frame is

[00:32:12] I can get you you guys can come back and I'll and then at that point you'll be good for some reason because probably

[00:32:17] maybe

[00:32:19] Reasons I don't know well. It's supposed to be that they learn their lesson and then they they never do

[00:32:23] Still don't get down hardcore on the

[00:32:27] practices

[00:32:27] Yeah, but like we still there's not been a time in human history

[00:32:32] Where we followed god's law to the nth degree in any society because it's just dumb right

[00:32:39] Okay, so god keeps talking and he says I will repay you for your conduct and for the detestable practices among you

[00:32:47] I'm about sick of the word detestable. Just be clear, right?

[00:32:50] Then you'll know that it is I the lord who strikes you

[00:32:56] How we're gonna know that though you're gonna tell us you're gonna show up you're gonna let us you

[00:33:00] How are we gonna know?

[00:33:01] I mean

[00:33:03] Is he you got to see your dick what you're gonna show the rest of us? You know

[00:33:07] Yeah, they don't want us to talk about that so no, that's crazy

[00:33:11] Don't tell anybody don't tell anybody but there's a god's dick in the bible

[00:33:15] Is loin and and that's really why is he gill fell on his face?

[00:33:20] See the day see it comes

[00:33:23] Doom is burst forth. The rod has been butted

[00:33:26] Irrigates has blossomed

[00:33:28] See, okay, did you see it? Sure. Did you see I guess it's there right?

[00:33:33] Violence has arisen a rod to punish the wicked

[00:33:37] Wait, is he talking about violence has arisen from god like him?

[00:33:42] Like that's the violence a rod to punish I god am arising the violence. Um, yeah, he's talking about

[00:33:49] The people from the north whoever they may be his tool. Yeah, though. That's the rod

[00:33:54] He's using to punish the wicked. Okay. That's his rod. All right, whatever

[00:33:59] None of the people will be left none of that crowd none of their wealth

[00:34:04] Nothing of value. No nothing. Okay, because he's gonna you know, babelon's gonna get

[00:34:09] Over taken. Yeah, right. So sure. That's what he's saying. Okay. The time has come the day has arrived

[00:34:15] Let not the buyer rejoice nor the seller grieve for my wrath is on the whole clout cloud

[00:34:23] It's on the crowd

[00:34:24] I'm in the cloud

[00:34:25] But my eyes on the buyers and sellers alike. They're all they're all screwed no buyers remorse and seller beware

[00:34:32] I don't know. However that goes. Sure

[00:34:34] The seller will not recover the property that was sold as long as both buyer and seller live

[00:34:41] Okay

[00:34:41] For the vision concerning the whole crowd will not be reversed

[00:34:46] Because of their sins not one of them will preserve their life

[00:34:52] Okay, well, but some of them do so. Okay. That's kind of false. Right. I'm like, are you it's you're being very hyperbolic here

[00:35:00] Are you just like talking about?

[00:35:02] Um, the Israelites because right you literally just got saying that you made Ezekiel do a little show a little puppet show

[00:35:11] Right talking about how some of them will live. Yeah. Yeah. Are you talking about babelon? Like, what are you talking about?

[00:35:19] He's that's it. He's just being sometimes we like it to be everybody. Sometimes we're like, no

[00:35:23] But some of you will make it so okay. Sometimes we like to redeem sometimes we like to kill everybody

[00:35:27] That's how it goes. That's how it's gone the whole way. All right

[00:35:31] So they have blown the trumpet

[00:35:34] They have made all things ready, but no one will go into battle for my wrath is on the whole crowd

[00:35:45] I like my evil laugh that yeah, it was pretty good. It's pretty good

[00:35:49] Outside is the sword inside our plague and famine

[00:35:53] What's behind door three?

[00:35:56] Those in the country will die by the sword those in the city will be devoured by famine and plague

[00:36:01] Yeah, okay sounds about right. Sure. Okay. I mean awful thing is gonna awful. I mean well, that's what happens

[00:36:08] In yeah, that's the way they wore they close the city down right there's no surprises here

[00:36:14] This is how things go regardless of whether ya always involved or not. It doesn't really fucking matter

[00:36:20] This is how war went. Yeah, so I mean we already read in previous chapters in our research there that that was a

[00:36:28] standard for how they

[00:36:30] Got their enemies to capitulate. Yeah, they surrounded a city and

[00:36:34] Rather than just attacking the city outright and losing men of their own

[00:36:39] They would just starve them out. Yeah, I bet the Babylonians would have attacked another culture the exact same way

[00:36:44] They don't don't you think they did I know

[00:36:48] The fugitives who escape will flee to the mountains like doves of the valleys they will all moan

[00:36:57] Each for their own sins every hand will go limp

[00:37:02] Every leg will be wet with urine. Oh, so you're gonna piss yourself before you die apparently don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining

[00:37:10] Don't piss up a wet rope right right

[00:37:14] They will put on sack cloth and be clothed with terror

[00:37:19] I mean that sounds like me every day that I have to get up and go out into the world

[00:37:24] I'm clothed in terror

[00:37:27] Like the best thing that ever happened to me was when grocery stores started doing their

[00:37:32] Click list or their like delivery. Yeah, yeah, like their curbside pickup or you know the delivery services

[00:37:39] I just like it because it saves time, you know like the click list especially like you can still go there

[00:37:43] Not have to pay a delivery fee and like they just bring it out to you. You just your car. Yeah

[00:37:47] You don't have to do any frivolous shopping while you're doing it. Yeah, just buy your shit sit in your car

[00:37:52] Right. Yeah. I love curbside. It's great. It's the best. Yeah

[00:37:56] I mean it does save time but for me

[00:37:58] It also allows me to not have to interact with other humans also very rarely when I'm sitting there in the parking lot

[00:38:03] Does God enact wrath on me? So it's it's great. Yeah all the things are just wonderful about it

[00:38:08] I mean, I love a day when God is not rathen on me. Yeah, no, it's it's those are good days. Yeah

[00:38:15] Every face will be covered with shame and every head will be shaved, but will it be shaved with a sword?

[00:38:22] That's what you're just not doing it right unless you do it with a sword

[00:38:26] They will throw their silver into their streets

[00:38:29] And their gold will be treated as a thing unclean. This is talking about the sacking of the city and the riches

[00:38:35] Their silver and gold will not

[00:38:39] Be able to deliver them in the day of the Lord's wrath

[00:38:42] It will not satisfy their hunger or fill their stomachs for it has caused them to stumble into sin

[00:38:49] So, you know, they're talking about they build idols. They're rich is blah blah blah and they lost their way because of it

[00:38:54] Whatever, okay, you'll have all the money in the world, but you still won't be able to eat

[00:38:59] And you'll be boiling your child or whatever

[00:39:01] I mean, let's let's just be honest here the thing that is stopping them from enjoying their lives is

[00:39:08] One of two things if we're in biblical canon, it's God, right?

[00:39:12] Yeah, or if we just go with

[00:39:15] Historical accounts. It's Babylon. Yeah, it's war. It's fucking the shit that happened to people in those days

[00:39:22] That there's just nothing real surprising about any of this nothing new

[00:39:27] As far as how people treated each other in ancient times, this is all I was gonna say speaking of that

[00:39:33] It would have been Babylon or whatever large

[00:39:36] Culture at the time whatever empire was trying to spread out and take over the little guys

[00:39:43] Yeah, I mean if it wasn't Babylon, it was Assyria

[00:39:46] If it wasn't Assyria, it would have been Egypt if it wasn't Egypt

[00:39:50] It was whoever else was big times back there the Canaanites or whatever, right? You know, yeah

[00:39:55] They took pride in their beautiful jewelry and used it to make their detestable idols

[00:40:02] They you know what we still do that today

[00:40:05] Like sure. I mean have you seen all those little pop-up stores on facebook where

[00:40:10] Women be selling their jewelry to each other and like their leggings and stuff all those mlm

[00:40:17] Yeah, the pop-up things like oh my god

[00:40:20] I mean i'm not saying that it's bad to like buy jewelry and buy leggings and buy candles and buy whatever but

[00:40:28] They're everywhere. It's very

[00:40:31] It makes me feel like this

[00:40:33] You know what I mean?

[00:40:35] It makes me just go on that little chat words. This is detestable. This is

[00:40:40] Right. It just I don't know there's something about an mlm

[00:40:45] pop-up

[00:40:46] Selling jewelry. Yeah on facebook live that just makes me feel like

[00:40:52] Y'all are like

[00:40:54] Judah, you know y'all are like that town

[00:40:57] Like you're just asking for Babylon to congicha

[00:41:01] I don't know. I don't know about all that but okay. I understand like that that is a leap. I get it. Yeah

[00:41:08] Um, I can't understand why my brain is making that connection

[00:41:12] I'm just telling you that my brain did make that connection. Okay, okay

[00:41:17] Sometimes I see patterns where there aren't

[00:41:20] Just letting you know

[00:41:21] I cannot stand an mlm. Yeah

[00:41:24] Not just an mlm. Okay. I know i'm off topic here. Okay, but it's not just an mlm

[00:41:28] It's an mlm that is like all in and everybody's for it

[00:41:32] And it's like really popular and like we're all just supposed to be like yeah, that's cool

[00:41:37] And i'm like looking at everybody around me buying makeup or buying candles and i'm like what the fuck is wrong with all of you

[00:41:45] Why are you guys all like?

[00:41:47] Yep, this is the one we're buying from this month. Like what's the what's the popular one this month? You know

[00:41:54] Like now that uh Tupperware has gone away

[00:41:58] You know, there's just always a new one and it's just so weird to me people are weird

[00:42:02] That's all i'm trying to say right right all right

[00:42:05] They made it into vile images therefore. I will make it a thing unclean for them

[00:42:11] I will give their wealth as plunder to foreigners and as loot to the wicked of the earth who will defile it

[00:42:18] They're gonna defile that earth

[00:42:20] Okay, yep, I will turn my face away from the people

[00:42:26] And robbers will desecrate the place I treasure

[00:42:29] Okay, yeah, they will enter it and we'll defile it sounds great some more

[00:42:33] I guess I don't whatever good job god always be defiling right never not be defiling

[00:42:41] Prepare chains for the land is full of bloodshed and the city is full of violence. Yeah

[00:42:47] This is negative it. I mean it's been negative for a few chapters. This is like really chilling my vibe

[00:42:53] Yeah, right

[00:42:54] I will bring the most wicked of nations to take possession of their houses. Yeah, we know right you will and they did

[00:43:02] Yeah, I will put an end to the pride of the mighty and their sanctuaries will be desecrated

[00:43:08] I mean there's just mean this leak actually it's his sanctuary. It's the fucking temple, right?

[00:43:13] I'm like you're on purpose knocking down your own temple, right?

[00:43:17] That's like if like a christian went and pooped on the stairs of their own church

[00:43:24] Sure, like why?

[00:43:25] It makes no goddamn sense. Yeah, like I don't get it

[00:43:30] It's it's you know cutting off your nose to spite your face, right?

[00:43:33] It's throwing out the baby with the bath water, right? Why are you doing it? Right, right?

[00:43:38] When terror comes they will seek peace in vain

[00:43:42] Calamity upon calamity will come and rumor upon rumor

[00:43:46] I like calamity calamity

[00:43:50] And and also oh no not rumors

[00:43:53] They will go searching for a vision from the prophet

[00:43:57] The prophet is that like

[00:43:59] Maybe or the prophet of the time maybe I don't know. I'm just curious because normally it says it would say all prophet

[00:44:06] But here it says the prophet, right?

[00:44:08] But like this could be a generic insertion like this feels like a generic insertion into Ezekiel a little bit

[00:44:14] This whole this whole fire and brimstone. It doesn't really

[00:44:18] Follow up on anything. It's just adding it. It's the same message. We've been getting since isaac. I'ma getcha

[00:44:23] I'ma getcha. Yeah, and so it could be insert in generic profit here

[00:44:28] Right, and you have you have you can put that in any of the fucking prophets

[00:44:33] That is true. You know, it doesn't really matter

[00:44:36] They will go searching for a vision from the prophet

[00:44:39] Priestly instruction and the law will cease the council of the elders will come to an end

[00:44:45] So all the smarties will not be available

[00:44:48] I mean again that happens when you get killed by an invading force. I guess so yeah, the king will mourn

[00:44:57] And the prince will be clothed with despair and the hands of the people of the land will tremble

[00:45:03] Didn't the princes die? Um, yeah, actually I have a note about king and prince. Yeah

[00:45:08] I'm not even gonna try to

[00:45:11] like

[00:45:12] Recite this from memory. So I'm just gonna tell you what this is

[00:45:15] Okay, the king and the prince are both referring to zedekaya. Okay the reference to the king is missing in the septuagint

[00:45:24] That's the greek

[00:45:25] Okay translation. Yeah, so it just says prince

[00:45:29] Um, according to the jerusalem bible

[00:45:31] This may be a later edition as reference to the king is exceptional in ezekiel

[00:45:38] Okay, so it was basically just like some translator editor person

[00:45:43] Added a word that they weren't supposed to and forgot to remove the other one or something to that effect again

[00:45:48] This whole chapter felt very generic and like god's wrath god's wrath blah blah blah right well and again like

[00:45:55] Um back in verse 25 when it said when terror comes they will seek peace in vain. Yeah

[00:46:01] um

[00:46:02] The word terror

[00:46:04] Is destruction in other translations which we've heard both but also it could mean

[00:46:10] Shuddering or anguish which i'm like, I really wish y'all would have changed this up and used one of those other words

[00:46:15] Sure because terror destruction destruction destruction terror. I'm like

[00:46:21] Can we get a thesaurus up in here? Yeah, okay. Anyway, so i'm about to finish

[00:46:26] I will deal with them according to their conduct and by their standards

[00:46:30] I will judge them then they will know that I am the lord and the lord

[00:46:36] See, I knew that one. I didn't even have to read the bible

[00:46:39] You quoted the bible what the fuck? Yeah, I got there before you got there. Oh, I paused. I know

[00:46:46] Uh the end got it. Yeah, so uh

[00:46:50] I don't I don't think I have a lot to add just that this is a regurgitation of the same

[00:46:55] Fire and brimstone god that we've seen throughout all the prophets that we've read so far

[00:47:00] And i'm a little like

[00:47:04] Board of it already. Yeah, well, I mean like I said as he'll start off really strong with the whole

[00:47:10] You know fever dream thing that happened with the angels and like that was that was some really

[00:47:16] Crazy imagery it was different too

[00:47:18] It was very different. Yeah, that made it interesting. No, I actually really liked those chapters because it was like

[00:47:25] What is going on here? Let's do this. Yeah. Yeah, so I was kind of excited for azekiel and maybe

[00:47:32] You know, we still got some time to go sure but

[00:47:36] I don't know. I don't know. I'm kind of feeling it's feeling very repetitive like okay bible and I

[00:47:42] I you got me again bible. I just don't know. We'll we'll see

[00:47:46] Well, um, you could tell how boring this chapter was in that

[00:47:50] That's all the notes I had sure. Yeah, like that's it

[00:47:53] We've covered all this kind of stuff before everything else is very straightforward. God's gonna get you the end

[00:47:58] Nothing new to see here. No. Yeah, we could have skipped this chapter

[00:48:02] It's like a soap opera. We could have skipped this chapter and not missed a thing

[00:48:06] Right. Yeah, and that to me is a bad story. Yeah, it's true

[00:48:11] I agree

[00:48:13] All right. Well, that was azekiel chapter seven sure buck was which means that we will be back tomorrow

[00:48:19] Which tomorrow will be our live discord

[00:48:23] At 10 p.m. Eastern on discord and we have the link in the show notes

[00:48:28] To go to that not on the actually no, it's not on the live

[00:48:32] So you'd have to go to

[00:48:34] On our website there is a link at the top of the website for our discord channel

[00:48:37] So you can go there and and join from there

[00:48:40] But we do our lives on discord exclusively on tuesdays and we do a lot more interactive chatting

[00:48:46] And things like that when we do our lives on discord. So definitely go check that out

[00:48:50] Again, that was azekiel chapter seven

[00:48:52] Which means that we will be back tomorrow with

[00:48:55] Azekiel or easy kyle as I like to call them chapter eight. All right. We'll see you then

[00:49:00] Bye

[00:49:03] I

[00:49:08] Do you remember what happened yesterday and where the hell we are today?

[00:49:14] Well yesterday, we read azekiel chapter seven sure as fuck did and god was mad at israel again

[00:49:23] Still forever always and he's going to enact judgment on them

[00:49:27] And then he's then some of them will repent and they'll be okay

[00:49:32] But mostly he's gonna getcha. I feel like I could condense half the bible into

[00:49:37] Guy's gonna kill you. He's gonna save a few of you and you'll be okay

[00:49:41] Yeah, like that we could cut out like half the fucking old testament. I agree. Yeah, honestly. It's kind of ridiculous. Yes

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[00:50:55] So anyway now that i'm done butchering the fuck out of that

[00:51:00] Um

[00:51:01] Yesterday we read zekiel chapter seven. Which means that today we're getting into zekiel chapter eight. All right, let's do this

[00:51:09] Okie dokie

[00:51:11] All right

[00:51:20] We are here jumping into easy kyle chapter eight

[00:51:24] We're as eekiel as some people know it. I'm just saying you know throwing that out there

[00:51:28] I'm not i'm not correcting just throwing it out there easy k here we go

[00:51:31] All right in the sixth year in the sixth month on the fifth day

[00:51:36] While I was sitting in my house and the elders of judo were sitting before me the hand of the sovereign lord came on me there

[00:51:43] Oh, he came on you

[00:51:45] What?

[00:51:46] Okay, let me let me uh go check my notes so that I can give you the date

[00:51:50] Right, so he was having a brunch with some some uh, I'll get to that in a minute. Okay sovereign lords. It was a sovereign lords

[00:51:57] Um, what was it? Yeah some elders elders elders. Yeah some of the elders

[00:52:02] Okay, so by most calculations scholars agree that this day falls on september 17th

[00:52:08] 592 bce

[00:52:11] Okay, why?

[00:52:14] Um based on because I said in the sixth year in the sixth month on the fifth day

[00:52:18] Oh, okay, and so they calculated it out and they're like probably this is the day that he's talking about. Okay. Okay. All right

[00:52:25] Okay, so here's what we know right? Um easy kyle is over in babalon

[00:52:32] Right. Yes. That's what that's what I thought that's what I understood. He's in babalon

[00:52:37] However, he's got a house in babalon. Yeah, and so he's doing all right. Yeah, I mean

[00:52:44] Yeah, you would think in so far as that living like, you know on the street or something

[00:52:47] So and the elders of that area where he lives

[00:52:50] Apparently come over and shoot the shit with him regularly because they're not like it was so weird that they were there, right?

[00:52:57] Yeah, like they're just like yeah, there was this one time when the dudes came over and so they probably um came over

[00:53:04] periodically or frequently whatever to

[00:53:07] hear what

[00:53:08] Easy kyle had to say about god

[00:53:11] Ezekiel Ezekiel. Oh my god. Okay

[00:53:17] So they probably consulted with him on a regular basis to

[00:53:22] You know get the haps on what god was talking about you think they were like taken aback when he like poltergeist into like this god

[00:53:28] vision right in front of them

[00:53:30] Is that what happened like god god was speaking to him like as they were there weren't they wasn't he

[00:53:35] Just the the hand of the lord like touched him on the shoulder or some shit. It came on him. Yeah, I mean

[00:53:41] all over him

[00:53:45] I mean, I don't know he's just sitting there. All right, so let's find out what happened. Okay, sure

[00:53:50] I looked and I saw a figure like that of a man

[00:53:53] From what appeared to be his waist down. Wait, we're looking at his dick again. We're looking at his dick again

[00:53:59] But this time what's what is going on? His dick is on fire

[00:54:03] From his dick is on fire

[00:54:05] Exactly. All right his waist down. He was like fire and from there up his appearance was as bright as glowing metal

[00:54:14] Hmm. Okay. All right

[00:54:16] He stretched out what looked like a hand and took me by the hair of my head. He grabbed his hair get over here

[00:54:25] Remember that one time when he was like

[00:54:28] Yeah, yeah

[00:54:30] The spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven

[00:54:34] And in visions of god, he took me to jerusalem

[00:54:38] Wow, so he this dude gets transported all over the place by celestial beings. Um, yeah, but it's by

[00:54:45] This one's not an actual, um

[00:54:48] Transportation it's in spirit only

[00:54:50] Okay, because it it says in visions

[00:54:53] But I feel like this guy's got the hook up with divine uber. He does have divine uber indeed

[00:54:58] He does

[00:54:59] So, okay, so god took him in visions to jerusalem to the entrance of the north gate

[00:55:05] Of the inner court where the idol that provokes to jealousy stood

[00:55:10] Okay, hey all right

[00:55:12] And there before me was the glory of the god of israel as in the vision I had seen in the plane

[00:55:19] so

[00:55:20] God like in spirit picked him up and took him to jerusalem

[00:55:25] And plopped him down and then is like standing before him as

[00:55:29] Appearing like he did on the plane. Okay. All right weird. Yeah, we've had multiple times where he's like appeared to him this way

[00:55:37] Where it's it's an odd

[00:55:39] Vision that he's having of god or or other

[00:55:43] Beans that are of heaven or whatever right not heaven, but whatever you know that that's shit up there in the sky

[00:55:49] Yeah, whatever whatever it is, right

[00:55:52] Then he god said to me is equal

[00:55:55] Son of man

[00:55:57] mere human mere human look toward the north

[00:56:00] So I looked and in the entrance north of the gate of the altar. I saw this idol of jealousy

[00:56:07] Okay, and he said to me son of man. You're mere human

[00:56:11] Do you see what the fuck they are doing?

[00:56:15] The utterly detestable things that israelites are doing here

[00:56:18] What are they doing things that will drive me far from my sanctuary

[00:56:24] But you will see things that are even more fucking detestable. Just wait. Oh, okay

[00:56:29] So I'm curious what these things are. They're not that bad. Oh, okay. Just telling you

[00:56:35] But god is probably willing to kill over it though. Yeah. Yeah, he's like

[00:56:41] Like he's blustery and his cheeks are red and blown out. He's like

[00:56:45] Oh

[00:56:46] Like he can't even talk. He's so pissed. Yeah, right. Yeah

[00:56:50] Then he god brought me a zekele to the entrance to the court

[00:56:54] I looked and I saw a hole in the wall now in um some translations

[00:57:00] He spiritually dug a hole in the wall to be able to see something. Okay. All right

[00:57:07] Oh, no, that's actually about to happen my bad. Oh, he said to me son of man

[00:57:12] You know, yeah, you're human right now dig into the wall

[00:57:16] So I dug into the wall and I saw a doorway there

[00:57:19] And he said to me go in and see the wicked and detestable things they are doing here

[00:57:25] Okay, okay ready. Yeah, I'm ready. This is in jerusalem hypothetically, right? Okay. Yes in spirit only

[00:57:31] This is like this is like the christmas carol, but like as you know

[00:57:35] Oh my god. Yes, exactly. All right. So I went in and looked the ghost of uh, jerusalem's

[00:57:42] um

[00:57:43] Present present present. Maybe I don't know something

[00:57:47] So I went in and looked and I saw portrayed all over the walls all kinds of crawling things

[00:57:54] And unclean animals and all the idols of israel

[00:57:58] So basically people were like a storehouse for idols and no

[00:58:02] No people the people who are allowed in the temple the only ones allowed in are priests and

[00:58:07] Oh, yeah. Yeah, and so

[00:58:10] So this is what they were housing in there

[00:58:12] Yeah, well, they're they're um

[00:58:15] Unclean animals and idols of israel. It's not a storehouse. These they're actively worshiping

[00:58:21] pagan gods in the house of y'all way

[00:58:24] And we're supposed to believe this based on the dream from azekiel. Yes. Okay. Yes

[00:58:29] And this is what they're doing in there and god is like, can you even I mean what the f right?

[00:58:35] Right. Yeah in front of them stood 70 elders of israel 70 elders. Yeah, okay

[00:58:42] And jay as a naya son of shaffon

[00:58:46] Was standing among them

[00:58:48] So what is there some significance to this guy or yes because um shaffon was the father of two other dudes that

[00:58:56] Um from jeremiah, okay, they were the ones that helped jeremiah like they were

[00:59:03] Oh, so these are people that helped jeremiah. No stop. Let me let me explain. Okay, okay

[00:59:08] So this guy shaffon. He's got three sons at least three sons. Okay. Yeah, two of them are good and in good standing

[00:59:15] And they helped jeremiah. Okay. Yeah, but this other one. He's a shithead. He's clearly a piece of shit

[00:59:21] And okay the apple fell far from the tree with this one. Okay. All right, so that's what happened

[00:59:26] So he's standing there like a bad representation of this decent family with all of these elders

[00:59:34] praising and worshiping idols, okay in the house of god, okay? Okay. Yeah

[00:59:41] So anyway, he was standing among them each had a sensor in his hand and a fragrant cloud of incense was rising

[00:59:49] So a sensor is you know, it holds incense. Okay. Okay. All right. Yeah, so they're all like

[00:59:55] Raising incense to these idols got it. He said to me god said to me son of man

[01:00:01] You mere human have you seen what the elders of israel are doing in the darkness?

[01:00:06] Each at the shrine of his own idol

[01:00:10] They say the lord does not see us the lord has forsaken the land

[01:00:14] They're they're burning incense. That's what they're doing

[01:00:17] But there's also unclean animals there. So they sacrificed

[01:00:21] Animals, they weren't supposed to sacrifice. Okay

[01:00:24] And the idols are not supposed to be in there and they're lighting the incense to worship these other gods

[01:00:30] Okay, so let me just make sure I got this correct

[01:00:32] There's dead animals much like there is in god's temple. But the wrong ones the wrong ones

[01:00:39] There's still dead animals, right? Yes. There's there's burning sticks of scent

[01:00:44] And there is

[01:00:47] Wooden or metal statues, right?

[01:00:49] And god is going to get pissed off to the point where he wants to kill people over this

[01:00:53] Yes, okay. I just wanted to clarify before we moved along. Yes, that's what was going on

[01:00:58] Yeah, so and they were doing it in secret

[01:01:01] Sure. I mean, what's the point? I guess if you're gonna get in trouble for something you'd probably do it in secret

[01:01:06] Right. So yeah, right

[01:01:08] Right. Okay, so that's that's like the first thing that he sees. I gotta say though

[01:01:12] it probably isn't that fucking secret because

[01:01:16] Honestly, he's punishing all of israel slash juda for this this kind of thing. Yeah, so it doesn't seem like it's very

[01:01:24] Secret, right? It's kind of out there

[01:01:26] It's very it's like on the hilltops and then the ravines and in the fucking temple and it's in the houses

[01:01:31] It's everywhere. Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna see more but that's like the first thing he sees

[01:01:36] Okay. Yeah, so he's like this is fucked up but just wait it gets worse, right?

[01:01:40] Right. Again, he said you will see them doing

[01:01:43] Things that are even more detestable

[01:01:46] Okay, then he brought me to the entrance of the north gate of the house of the lord

[01:01:51] And I saw women sitting there

[01:01:54] Warning the god tamuz not mourning something

[01:01:57] Okay, there's a whole backstory to this and there's enough that I found our q&a

[01:02:04] Okay, okay. They they're not mourning

[01:02:07] mourning like it's part of a practice

[01:02:11] Okay, so this is a ritual for this pagan god or whatever. Yes, and we're gonna talk about tamuz later

[01:02:18] Okay, yeah, just hold that thought in your head that the saturday. Yeah. I mean, it's the day after tomorrow

[01:02:24] Yeah, so the people are um, all right. I guess it's the day after the day after tomorrow

[01:02:30] I because this comes out on wednesday. Yeah, whatever it's someday this weekend. Yes later after today, right?

[01:02:37] so the women are

[01:02:39] performing a ritual to

[01:02:42] A very well known

[01:02:44] Um pagan god right. Okay. He said to me do you and they're doing it in not in secret

[01:02:51] They're in the open right there by the gate. Yeah, these women are right out there in front of the house like in the gate

[01:02:57] Like you said and we've talked about this before too. They obviously don't fear yaway very much exactly

[01:03:02] Exactly, so they're like what wait, you know what?

[01:03:07] There's things happening right politically like i'm sure there's armies bearing down on them near this point in time

[01:03:13] Yeah, right. Well, they've already been attacked by babel on once

[01:03:17] Sure and had a bunch of them well not for like in the 590s or whatever but no we are because

[01:03:23] because um

[01:03:25] Ezekiel was in the second group the second wave of people that got cold

[01:03:30] You're right. You're right. Yeah, so they're like if you if you don't have a clear message and they didn't like we've talked about that

[01:03:36] There's all kinds of wrong profits. There's all kinds of shit going on. Yeah, but if you don't have a clear message from

[01:03:41] The one god right that hypothetically rules everything. Yeah, but if you don't have a clear message from that god

[01:03:48] Why wouldn't you reach out to try to get other types of help exactly?

[01:03:52] You know like fuck this shit things are going south man. I need some help

[01:03:55] Well, not only that but why wouldn't they think that their god has deserted them?

[01:03:58] It kind of seems like he did pretty much said he did. Yeah, so yeah, fuck him. Yeah, no, I totally agree with you

[01:04:05] So he god said to me ezekiel do you see this son of man?

[01:04:11] You mere human you will see things that are even more detestable than

[01:04:17] More than worshiping another oh my god not more than worshiping another god

[01:04:21] I have a spoiler alert ready. Yeah, the last one is oh

[01:04:25] um

[01:04:26] Never mind. It's worshiping another god

[01:04:29] again

[01:04:30] Oh

[01:04:31] So how is that was worshiping this god more detestable than worshiping that god because the first one was in secret

[01:04:36] The next one was in front of the house

[01:04:38] These ones. Oh just wait. Okay. All right. I'm waiting. He then brought me into the inner court

[01:04:44] Of the house of the lord not the inner court. Why would they do it there?

[01:04:48] And there at the entrance to the temple between the portico and the altar were about 25 men

[01:04:55] Not 25 men the women they're just dumb right? So I mean they can get away. I'm being facetious here. No, I know

[01:05:03] Yeah

[01:05:04] But men 25 of them, right? Yeah, okay with their backs toward the temple of the lord

[01:05:10] And their faces toward the east they were bowing down to the sun in the east

[01:05:16] They were worshiping the sun god

[01:05:19] Which if it was egypt would be called bra, you know their god literally just admitted that he sent armies after that

[01:05:26] So even if you did believe in that god, I might switch teams at that point, you know, right? Yeah

[01:05:31] Like kind of fuck off man. What I'm finding interesting is that

[01:05:35] There are three different groups of people in this vision

[01:05:39] Worshiping at least three different gods, right?

[01:05:44] At the same time. Yeah

[01:05:46] Like these people clearly are

[01:05:49] Afraid of what's coming and they're like, okay, you guys throwing spaghetti at the god wall

[01:05:54] Yeah, totally

[01:05:55] They're like you guys go in and you pray to this god and this god and this god

[01:05:59] You ladies come over here

[01:06:00] You pray to that god and we're gonna go over here and we're gonna

[01:06:04] Um pray to the egyptian god. Yeah, she is not going well. Yeah, let's let's fix this any way we can

[01:06:10] And we want to go back home to juda because we're in babel on right now or no

[01:06:13] No, these guys are in jerusalem. Yeah my bad right and all we got all we got here in jerusalem is this guy that cries a lot. Oh, yeah

[01:06:22] Fucking weeping jeremiah

[01:06:24] Yeah, so I just I find that really interesting the people are doing all this. Yeah, like it makes sense

[01:06:29] Right, so he god said to me jeremiah. Have you seen this son of man?

[01:06:35] Is it a trivial matter for the people of juda to do the detestable things they are doing here?

[01:06:43] Must they also fill the land with violence? Oh your one is waiting feeling what and continually

[01:06:50] Arouse my anger

[01:06:52] Oh

[01:06:52] Fuck this god. Okay, like what is his fucking problem? Like he is here's causing the the

[01:06:59] The violence unless unless we're talking about like the child sacrifice or things like that right

[01:07:03] But god is basically saying i'm bringing the violence. I'm bringing the pain. I'm bringing all this

[01:07:08] Well, and here's another thing like um psychology teaches us today that

[01:07:15] When an abusive husband is beating his wife and he tells her why are you making me do this? You're pissing me off

[01:07:22] Yeah, like that is not

[01:07:25] He is not in control of his emotions

[01:07:28] She might be doing things that are heinous, but be that as it may

[01:07:34] You get to you know, i'm not saying you get to not be mad. I'm saying you're not controlling your anger correctly

[01:07:41] And only you can do that nobody else can do that

[01:07:45] Again, we we touch on the same things a lot, but like this is a god

[01:07:49] Who is supposed to be all powerful and all knowing all the things right and he can't

[01:07:56] He can't even control his anger, right? He can't like there are ways to

[01:08:01] Settle disputes that are much better than the way he handles things right and

[01:08:06] Apparently he's not capable of that

[01:08:09] And that just strikes me as not very godlike

[01:08:12] And we know why this is this is man

[01:08:15] Projecting their flaws into this god right at the time of when it was written which was thousands of years ago

[01:08:21] Which would be fine if it just ended there

[01:08:24] But no now we're supposed to pretend that this god is perfect and still exists and i'm like

[01:08:31] It's literally not written perfect. It's literally written written as a very very very flawed god

[01:08:37] Yeah, very flawed the the writing itself is flawed errors galore

[01:08:44] Yeah, like hello. How come god didn't have it recorded correctly the fucking errors, right? Jesus typos whatever

[01:08:52] That's just seriously like they're like this is the word of god and yes

[01:08:56] It was recorded by man, but they were guided by god and i'm like god doesn't know how to make them not have

[01:09:03] Grammatical errors or whatever if it was guided by god. Why wasn't it written right the first time?

[01:09:08] Why did people in different time frames have to go back and edit?

[01:09:11] The fucking bible for these other people that god supposedly

[01:09:16] Inspired to write these words right why were their edits done later if this is the word of god, right?

[01:09:23] It's not a very well done

[01:09:25] Peace right because it is not complete like it should be complete the first time through right right if it's the word of god

[01:09:32] You are you can you can do it flawlessly the first time through you don't need to edit it

[01:09:37] And if you did edit it, it's no longer the word of god exactly so boom there it is

[01:09:42] Yeah, you know

[01:09:43] So god's like must they also fill the land with violence and continually arouse my anger

[01:09:50] That makes me so mad look at them putting the branch to their nose

[01:09:54] Therefore, I will deal with them in anger. I will not look on them with pity or spare them

[01:10:00] Although they shot in my ears. I will not listen to them. Yeah the end turning his back on his people

[01:10:07] Yeah, he doesn't give a fuck

[01:10:10] So that phrase look at them putting the branch to their nose

[01:10:14] Yeah, like we have we have no idea what that means there are several different

[01:10:19] Suggestions like it might have been just some kind of gesture that was a common insult back then

[01:10:25] Like you know today if we said he stuck up his middle finger like a thousand years from now

[01:10:30] They might be what the fuck does that mean whereas today? We know yeah, he's flicking them off

[01:10:34] I mean I I could try to come up with like, you know like the trees

[01:10:38] I know are very important to those people with their other gods

[01:10:42] Yes

[01:10:42] So like maybe it was taking in the essence of these other gods as opposed to one of the other

[01:10:47] Suggestions is that they were lifting the branches

[01:10:50] Um to shield themselves from yaoi. Yes, right exactly

[01:10:54] um, there's also another thing that

[01:10:57] um, there's a

[01:10:58] typo maybe and that it says that god is putting the branch to his nose in which case

[01:11:05] He's like blocking his nostril not able to breathe in

[01:11:10] Okay, and so he's like they're pissing me off god damn it

[01:11:12] Right, right

[01:11:14] And maybe maybe the smells are detestable to him because they're they're sacrificing the wrong animals to these other gods

[01:11:20] And they're burning incense to the other which is not the correct incense and all that crap, right?

[01:11:24] Right, so I mean there's any number of things that that could mean none of which is like important to the overall story

[01:11:31] Right, right. So but who cares?

[01:11:34] You know, I don't like touching on some of that stuff just because it's it's it's somewhat interesting to be like

[01:11:40] Okay, what was that supposed to mean? You know, right?

[01:11:42] I mean just sitting by itself

[01:11:44] Like what does that mean and then when you find out like

[01:11:48] Sometimes it's interesting. It's like oh it came from this which came from that and sometimes it's just not really that important

[01:11:54] Exactly, right, right. It's always more interesting when you can trace it back to something like something that we still do

[01:12:00] to this day

[01:12:04] All right, well that was Ezekiel chapter eight sure as fuck was which means that we will be back tomorrow with

[01:12:11] Ezekiel chapter nine. All right, we'll see you then

[01:12:20] Husband wife, do you remember what the hell happened yesterday and where the hell we are today?

[01:12:26] Well yesterday we got done reading Ezekiel chapter eight

[01:12:30] We sure as fuck did and in that episode

[01:12:33] We had Ezekiel getting a vision while he was sitting there with what was it 70 prophets or something like or elders

[01:12:39] Yeah, I don't remember. I don't that sounds like a lot of people post 70 people

[01:12:43] I don't think it was that many people because it was in his house. It wasn't his house. That's like a goddamn

[01:12:47] I don't think it was 70. That's an event man. I think you're crazy. I don't think it was 70

[01:12:51] I thought they said 70 anyway, they were they were in Ezekiel's house and then

[01:12:56] God came on him and

[01:12:59] Yeah, I mean that's what it said. I'm just I'm just quoting the Bible. I just double checked. It was not 70

[01:13:03] There was no numbers. There was no numbers. No, I don't know where I pulled 70 from

[01:13:06] I don't know maybe the date or something could be could be anyway

[01:13:09] There were some there were some elders in this house elders came over and were like, what's the haps?

[01:13:13] And then god came on them god came on him and and he was he took him on like a

[01:13:18] Celestial Ezekiel

[01:13:20] Yeah, I'm sorry. Celestial Ezekiel Celestial ubertrip Celestial ubertrip in his mind to Jerusalem

[01:13:27] Where they were they were peeking on some people doing some

[01:13:30] Idol worship. Yeah, and and god obviously was threatening to kill them all because that's what god does. Yeah

[01:13:37] um and

[01:13:39] That was that was pretty much it like it you know, he's like i'm so mad. I'm gonna kill you guys so hard

[01:13:46] Yeah, so that was um, oh before we before we hop into this bit

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[01:14:32] That being said yesterday, we read Ezekiel chapter 8 sure as fuck did and today we're hopping into

[01:14:37] Ezekiel chapter 9. All right, let's do this okey-dokey

[01:14:50] All right, we are hopping into easy kyle chapter 9. All right, Ezekiel chapter 9 easy kyle

[01:14:58] Easy k. Yeah, so easy k heard him god call out in a loud voice. Yes

[01:15:05] Bring though. Oh wait. No, what do you say bring near?

[01:15:08] Those who are appointed to execute judgment on the city each with a weapon in his hand

[01:15:14] That would be the Babylonians i'm assuming

[01:15:16] Because they're the ones executing the judgment. I would imagine well, we're about to get into

[01:15:20] Okay happened. All right. Don't forget. This is a vision that sure Ezekiel's having got it. So okay

[01:15:26] They're not coming right this second

[01:15:29] Okay, all right

[01:15:29] So now Ezekiel continues and I saw six men coming from the direction of the upper gate

[01:15:36] Which faces north so the north people again. Yeah each with a deadly weapon in his hand

[01:15:43] Six people though. Okay with them was a man clothed in linen

[01:15:48] Who had a writing kit at his side writing as in writer not like a writing a horse

[01:15:55] Like a writing a scroll

[01:15:58] Now, um, I'm gonna pause here because there's something interesting about that whole thing

[01:16:03] Yeah, no, it's I mean six people are not going to conquer Jerusalem. So

[01:16:07] That's not what this is. All right. Okay stop presupposing that you know what's about to happen

[01:16:12] Sometimes I do but you really don't this time. Okay. Yeah, that's not what this is. Okay. Okay

[01:16:18] So first of all there's a controversy

[01:16:21] over whether there is six people or seven people total because like what we're reading here is a very simplified version

[01:16:30] Yeah, but um more complex versions like for example the king james or whatever. Yeah, um and and others of the like

[01:16:39] They say I saw six men and then it doesn't say with them was a man

[01:16:44] It says of them was a man

[01:16:47] Oh, okay. So then with the writer. Yeah. Yeah. So

[01:16:51] Um, most people agree though

[01:16:54] Even though it's a controversy

[01:16:55] It's a small controversy. Most people agree that no it is the six that are

[01:17:01] Dressed with a weapon and then the one guy who has his pen and ink and stuff. Yeah, okay

[01:17:08] So for seven total sure. Okay, which makes sense now

[01:17:12] About that writing kit in every other version

[01:17:17] It doesn't say writing kit. It says ink horn

[01:17:21] Ink horn. Yeah. Okay. So when I got to that, I was like the fuck is an ink horn, right?

[01:17:27] It's the scribes writing equipment which included a pen an ink horn and a wax writing

[01:17:35] Excuse me writing tablet. Okay, and an ink horn is an ink well made of horn. So it's exactly what it sounds like

[01:17:43] It's a horn with ink in it

[01:17:45] And it was an important item for many scholars which soon became symbolic of writers in general

[01:17:51] Okay. All right. So just wanted to

[01:17:54] That that partly explains how we can pretty much agree. Yeah, there's probably seven dudes here

[01:18:00] Got it. Okay. One more thing is that where it says men

[01:18:04] Um, don't forget that one of the classifications of angels if you heard our patreon episode

[01:18:10] One of the classifications of angels is

[01:18:13] Men and those are the ones who are most

[01:18:17] Manlike and viewable by humans or whatever. Sure. So these are likely not actual humans. These are

[01:18:23] Probably more angels of the lord

[01:18:26] Maybe yeah, okay. So based on what happens. I'm gonna go with that in a dream at that

[01:18:31] Right. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. All right. So we've got the six dudes with deadly weapons

[01:18:36] We've got the man with his pen and ink. Okay, they came in and stood beside the bronze on

[01:18:43] Bronze altar. I'm having a hard time reading and I apologize

[01:18:47] So they came in and stood beside an altar that was made of bronze. Okay

[01:18:52] Now the glory of the god of israel went up from above the cherubim where it had been

[01:18:58] So god is leaving his little arc see yeah, because that was that right? Yeah, okay

[01:19:03] And moved to the threshold of the temple. Okay, so he's at the door

[01:19:09] He's leaving. He's leaving the arc thing. Right. So he's that's his symbolic of him leaving israel. Okay. Oh, okay

[01:19:16] Then the lord called to the man clothed in linen

[01:19:20] Who had the writing kit at his side and said to him

[01:19:24] So he's like a record keeper guy sure go throughout the city of jerusalem and put a mark

[01:19:30] On the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it

[01:19:37] Oh, wait, wait, wait. So we're like this is like

[01:19:39] Passover again like the Passover. We're gonna mark everybody that he doesn't want to kill exactly Jesus christ

[01:19:45] Yeah, for basically everybody who's like no, why are you doing this to israel?

[01:19:50] Stop stop worshiping idols and burning

[01:19:53] Incense to the wrong gods and killing unclean animals

[01:19:57] Okay, look, look i've complained in the past that like they didn't go in and search for the good people

[01:20:01] Like you know what I mean? Yeah, so I guess I have

[01:20:07] I guess I have to give some credit here at least they're not going like

[01:20:12] They're gonna spare some of them that are good this time

[01:20:15] But we're still murdering people for worshiping fucking wooden metal idols. So this is there's no there's no way to make this

[01:20:22] Correct. Yeah, but this is better at being incorrect. I guess maybe sort of

[01:20:29] Ish

[01:20:29] I still have problems with it in the in the in the grand scheme of things. It doesn't really matter though

[01:20:34] It's less bad murder question mark. Are there degrees of bad murder?

[01:20:40] Huh, um, I don't know. I mean sure you're still dead

[01:20:44] It's better that you only killed 500 as opposed to 10 000 right sure sure

[01:20:50] I agree with you. Well, we did talk about the fact that like there are there are different types of murder that are bad

[01:20:55] When you let someone starve to death versus kill them quickly quickly. Yeah, that is definitely worse in my opinion

[01:21:00] That is true and god does both of those things. So yeah, you're right

[01:21:03] You're right

[01:21:04] Generally, you know, like the men get off easy because they're the ones that go into battle and die

[01:21:09] And then the women and children have to go and starve and eat each other and fucking

[01:21:13] Yeah, crazy ass shit like that. So that's true. That's true

[01:21:17] Okay, so Ezekiel's talking. Okay as I listened god said to the others

[01:21:22] Follow him through the city and kill without showing pity or compassion

[01:21:28] Slaughter the old men the young men and women the mothers and children

[01:21:33] But do not touch anyone who has the mark begin at my sanctuary

[01:21:37] What I want to know is how the fuck does every child not have a mark on his forehead? Right? Yeah, that should be a given

[01:21:44] Right because there's no way children don't have permission

[01:21:49] to just

[01:21:51] You know worship who they want

[01:21:53] They will worship who their parents tell them to worship

[01:21:56] Yeah, and if they don't then they're in trouble for you know, breaking one of those commandment thingies where they didn't honor the parents

[01:22:02] Right, you just can't win as a child. Yeah, like you either are going to be doing the wrong thing because your parents told you

[01:22:07] Do the wrong thing or you're going to be doing

[01:22:10] You know the right thing you're still against your parents. So you're doing the wrong thing. Exactly

[01:22:14] There is no win. Yeah, so in my mind every child here that he's talking about better have a fucking mark on his forehead

[01:22:21] But I'm gonna guess they don't I mean they said they killed children. So yeah just now exactly

[01:22:26] All right, so Ezekiel speaking

[01:22:28] So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple

[01:22:32] Then he said to them defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain

[01:22:37] Go

[01:22:37] So god is ordering them to defile his own temple. He's like, I don't sit there anymore

[01:22:41] It's not mine go ahead and defile it. Sure. So they went out and began killing throughout the city

[01:22:47] While they were killing and I Ezekiel was left alone

[01:22:51] I fell face down crying out alas sovereign lord

[01:22:54] Are you going to destroy the entire remnant of israel in this outpouring of your wrath on jerusalem?

[01:23:01] He's like Jesus christ. What are you doing? Right? Like I think that's a fair reaction. It's a fair question

[01:23:07] Yeah, I mean he did fall on his face. So he's like I respect that you are

[01:23:13] Powerful and you're god and whatever but this seems crap

[01:23:18] It is crap. Yeah, I mean

[01:23:20] The all the murder and mayhem that god calls causes is crap

[01:23:25] Like there there is no justification for the things he's doing right

[01:23:29] You you cannot you can't justify murder and that's what they

[01:23:34] Anybody who believes this shit

[01:23:37] Is essentially justifying a lot of fucking murder right by their god. Yeah

[01:23:42] And it and when we say god, of course, we're saying in canon in the bible because we don't believe in god

[01:23:48] Right. Yeah. No, I mean that's why I said they're god. Yeah, and it's not

[01:23:51] We don't believe that this actually happened this way for sure but

[01:23:55] These people the people that do believe in god

[01:23:59] Believe that this is all real. Yeah, this is you know, it's like it's like

[01:24:03] We watched superman and thought the superman could really fly and was out there saving the fucking world and flying and making

[01:24:08] Time go backwards and shit. Didn't you have a cousin that thought superman was real? Yeah

[01:24:13] Talking about it the other day and apparently I don't remember this but apparently he jumped off some stairs one time

[01:24:18] I broke his arm

[01:24:20] Because he thought he could fly like superman wasn't he believing that like well into his it was it was longer than he

[01:24:25] Should have for sure. Yeah

[01:24:27] And didn't you have another cousin who believed in santa well into longer than she should have yes, yes

[01:24:33] You got some interesting cousins husband, right? Right? Well part of our we we argued with our cousin about the superman thing

[01:24:40] Because we were like, okay, so do you believe like he believed the movie, right?

[01:24:45] So me and my brother at the time

[01:24:46] I mean we couldn't have been more than maybe nine or ten, you know something like that

[01:24:50] We were arguing with him like, okay, so do you believe that rambo is real?

[01:24:54] Like there's that we're literally literally videotaping this guy just like shooting down

[01:25:00] You know so many people, you know like that's crazy. He's like, why would you why would you believe the movie is real?

[01:25:06] Yeah, there's no reason to believe that the movie is real over any other

[01:25:10] Actually happen, right? Yeah, why this movie over any other right right? Yeah

[01:25:14] interesting

[01:25:15] yeah

[01:25:16] So anyway, ziki al says he answered me

[01:25:20] The sin of the people of israel and juda is exceedingly great

[01:25:25] The land is full of bloodshed and the city is full of injustice

[01:25:29] They say the lord has forsaken the land the lord does not see so

[01:25:35] I will not look on them with pity or spare them. The lord is forsaking the land

[01:25:39] So i'm gonna forsake the land. Yes, exactly

[01:25:43] Exactly, but i'll bring down on their own fucking heads what they have done

[01:25:48] Yeah, okay, that'll show them right how are they gonna learn you just killed them right right like well

[01:25:54] I might have learned i don't know maybe you could have talked to me to my fucking face

[01:25:58] But yeah, no, no he's got to pass these messages around through crazy people that are watching

[01:26:03] Shit come down from lightning skies with fucking eyeballs on the wheels and

[01:26:09] you know

[01:26:10] I don't know. I just whatever they're the one guy

[01:26:13] I mean was it isaia that wandered around naked in the fucking desert and then

[01:26:17] Jeremiah was definitely a fucking traitor. Like these are their reliable sources, right? It's bullshit. It is bullshit. Yeah

[01:26:25] So then aziz eil says then the man in linen with the writing kit at his side brought backwards saying

[01:26:32] I've done as you commanded the end

[01:26:35] So so they in his dream

[01:26:37] Yep, they went around these angels and the guy writing whatever

[01:26:42] I don't know what he was right now. He's keeping record. I guess

[01:26:46] For for something that hasn't happened yet, right?

[01:26:49] Right

[01:26:50] Man doesn't happen because the only thing that did happen was babel on came in and invaded jerusalem

[01:26:55] Exactly like this didn't happen. There is no way to corroborate this actually as an event in history

[01:27:01] I mean, he might have had this dream. I don't fucking know but that's beside the point

[01:27:05] Okay

[01:27:06] I don't care if it happened 2 000 years ago or yesterday, right?

[01:27:09] If some fucking angel came by and put a mark on your goddamn head and you lived

[01:27:14] And the next guy too you didn't because he didn't have a fucking mark on his head and there's angels killing everybody

[01:27:19] That shit would probably and there's there's some celestial dude writing it down

[01:27:23] That's I was gonna make it forward somewhere. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, but it didn't no

[01:27:28] It didn't like this is just in his little fucking dream thing. I mean, okay

[01:27:32] Here's the thing like me and you have been saying for the last couple months

[01:27:38] Um, I'm gonna veer into politics a little bit. Yeah, we're like, uh, unfortunately

[01:27:43] I'm pretty sure trump's gonna win the presidency. I hate it. I don't want it to be true

[01:27:47] Right, but I'm looking at feeling that way. I'm looking at the way everything. I live in Ohio

[01:27:52] Yeah, it doesn't look good. I see all the signs and it's not okay guys

[01:27:56] I'm pretty sure trump's gonna win

[01:27:58] And I I do not want that but be that as it may

[01:28:02] Yeah, right

[01:28:03] Now just because

[01:28:05] If trump does indeed

[01:28:07] Win whether through actual or cheating or whatever the fuck ever. I don't know. Yeah, whatever right if he does

[01:28:13] That doesn't mean that we were prognosticators

[01:28:16] Or people who could foretell the future or profits if you will no, we're reading the room

[01:28:23] We're reading the room. We are sniffing what's on the wind. You know, right? We pay attention to politics and news and yeah

[01:28:31] Yeah, yeah, so I mean it seems to me that all of these profits

[01:28:37] They're all connected with leaders. They all have family in high places. Yeah all of them

[01:28:44] And so it seems to me that they all kind of know what's coming

[01:28:50] Without magic without help of god without

[01:28:54] You know dreams and visions. They kind of you can sometimes see what's coming

[01:28:59] Yeah, you know, it's not no. This is not rocket science. Yeah

[01:29:03] So they're just taking their best guesses and these things made it through like the written form that made it through

[01:29:08] Made it through because they were sort of kind of right. Yeah, you know like not even in the sort of kind of right

[01:29:14] They're not right exactly

[01:29:16] For all intents and purposes. Mm-hmm. They had some

[01:29:20] You know a semblance of truth that that was able to make it seem like they had some

[01:29:26] for

[01:29:27] You know vision of what was happening

[01:29:29] Well, and and then they had a little bit of help with people who came back along the way and

[01:29:34] Backfilled some of the information to make it even seem more magical

[01:29:38] Right. And well, of course, you know like in a chapter like this with Ezekiel, right?

[01:29:41] Especially given the the intro that we had to him. Yeah, you can take this vision about

[01:29:47] Angels and you can be like well, this is just a symbolism for the

[01:29:52] You know the common slaughter of the from the Babylonians, right because you know what's coming

[01:29:56] You can fill in the blanks yourself. Sure. Sure. You have a preconceived notion, right?

[01:30:01] But then the whole mark, you know the head it just it's

[01:30:04] It's kind of I can see how it could be apologized away

[01:30:08] but

[01:30:09] It's still really weird and it's still not something that actually happened. So, right

[01:30:14] You know, I don't know however you want to take that take it. You know magic is not a thing

[01:30:18] I don't believe in prophecy. I don't think this shit happened. I actually am

[01:30:22] It's more than think I I'm fairly fucking certain it didn't happen, right? So, you know, it is what it is

[01:30:29] Magic isn't real and there is no god the end, right?

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[01:31:26] Um, fuck ezekiel. Sure. That's that's a good that's a good way to end it

[01:31:31] All right, that was ezekiel chapter nine sure as fuck was which means that tomorrow

[01:31:35] We will be back with easy kyle chapter 10. We'll see you guys then. Bye

[01:31:47] Wife do you remember what happened yesterday and how the hell we got here today right now?

[01:31:56] well

[01:31:59] Yes, can I help you yesterday?

[01:32:02] We uh read well. Yeah, it was yesterday. Sorry. Just it's a late day today

[01:32:06] So I was you know it took me back for a second there. Yeah, um, but yesterday we read ezekiel chapter

[01:32:13] nine sure as fuck did which uh in that one

[01:32:16] There was like six angely type things they didn't specifically say that in the chapter

[01:32:21] They were men, but I think that they were angel men. Sure. There were six men or angels or whatever

[01:32:27] And maybe one scribe or five and one scribe who cares fuck cares right anyway guys and scribe

[01:32:33] Yeah, they like they went through jerusalem and like marked people's heads if they were appropriately

[01:32:41] Godly or something and then they killed the rest of them. Well, yeah

[01:32:45] And ezekiel was like whoa man

[01:32:48] Like that's horrible like why stop

[01:32:51] But I think I think that was more just so you know

[01:32:54] That way you can't go up there in front of people and say this shit and be like y'all deserve to die

[01:32:59] You should die. I think you're all awful

[01:33:02] Yeah, you know you got to have like some like distance between you and that message like ezekiel was like dudes

[01:33:07] I tried to stop them

[01:33:10] I did ask god why yeah, and it's like

[01:33:14] But you're so like chicken shit of him that you fall on your face every time he comes around

[01:33:20] So I don't believe you kind of yeah. Yeah, yeah

[01:33:23] It takes an act of god literally to get him to stand up and look at god, right?

[01:33:29] And then there's the whole he saw god's dick thing multiple times. Yeah. That's that's interesting, right?

[01:33:35] I wonder if he's like a klingon

[01:33:38] I learned I learned this week that klingons have two dicks and

[01:33:42] And and the women and two vaginas. Yeah, yeah two reproductive organs

[01:33:47] Nothing I was aware of until you told me and I still don't know where the fuck this is coming from

[01:33:51] I'm quite certain it was not covered in next generation

[01:33:54] I learned it it did come up apparently we missed it because probably they didn't say

[01:33:59] Wharf has two dicks right?

[01:34:01] I'm sure that it was like blah blah blah blah blah double of every organ including reproductive like sure

[01:34:06] But I double checked after I heard that I was like no

[01:34:10] And then I double checked and it is canon. So wharf got two d's interesting interesting

[01:34:16] I wonder if god is so lucky. I doubt it. I doubt it

[01:34:19] I mean he made you know us and his image

[01:34:22] So I think he's only got one right

[01:34:24] But we made wharf in our image and then didn't like it and gave him some forehead wrinkles and another penis

[01:34:30] Just for good measure, right?

[01:34:33] So um not the the wharf and klingon stuff, but the rest of that we that was ezekiel chapter nine

[01:34:39] Sure as fuck was which means that today we're getting into

[01:34:42] Ezekiel chapter 10. All right, let's do this. Okey-dokey

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[01:37:02] All right. Well, we are hopping into easy k big 10 zekiel chapter 10

[01:37:08] Chapter 10. Yes. Yes. Okay. Here we go ready. I'm ready. I zekiel you was zekiel. Yeah

[01:37:15] Looked I looked did you look okay?

[01:37:18] And I saw the lightness of a throne of lapis lazuli

[01:37:22] Above the vault that was above the heads of the cherubim

[01:37:26] So he's seeing the throne again. So okay, okay, you know the magical throne. Yeah, I'm just nothing really precipitated this

[01:37:33] Did we I'm not really sure what's going on here. He saw it from the first now. He's just seeing it everywhere, huh?

[01:37:39] I mean, he's seeing it again. Chim tap 10 chapters later. Got it. Chen tapters

[01:37:44] I would say that was my

[01:37:47] dyslexia happening

[01:37:49] The lord said to the man

[01:37:52] Clothed in linen so the scribe guy with the ink horn

[01:37:56] Go in among the wheels beneath the cherubim. You know the wheels with the eyes. Yeah

[01:38:01] Yeah, fill your hands with burning coals

[01:38:05] From among the cherubim i'm gonna pass and scatter them over the city

[01:38:10] Okay, i'm a rider not a fire starter

[01:38:13] What the hell and as I watched he went in

[01:38:17] So I guess the scribe guy, you know the guy with the ink horn. Yeah, I guess he went in and did it

[01:38:21] Okay

[01:38:22] Now the cherubim were standing on the south side of the temple

[01:38:26] When the man went in and a cloud filled the inner court

[01:38:30] Then the glory of the lord

[01:38:33] Oh, not the glory

[01:38:34] The glory of the lord rose from above the cherubim and moved to the threshold of the temple

[01:38:41] Okay, this is god removing his glorious self from

[01:38:45] the

[01:38:45] The entire

[01:38:47] Ark and the temple and everything got it. Yeah, like this is more of that

[01:38:51] The happening of it and Jerusalem and in whole probably. Yeah. Yeah

[01:38:54] The cloud filled the temple and the court was full of the radiance of the glory of the lord

[01:39:00] So the glory of the lord like when we talk about the glory of the lord

[01:39:04] It's supposed to be like this physical thing. Like right. We don't say like

[01:39:10] The glory of the lord and mean like it's glorious. He's glorious

[01:39:14] We are actually referring to a physical god is physically there

[01:39:19] His glory is his like

[01:39:21] Though this is technically a dream or something a vision that he's having so

[01:39:26] Right

[01:39:27] The sound of the wings remember yeah from the first chapter

[01:39:31] Of the cherubim could be heard as far away as the outer court

[01:39:35] Like the voice of god almighty when he speaks

[01:39:38] Okay, remember the movie dogma when god was played by alonis morissette. Yes, and she opened her mouth and like

[01:39:46] Um, what's his name ben afleck the bad angel his head exploded. Yes, that was so cool

[01:39:51] It's pretty cool. Yeah, I like that. Yep

[01:39:54] When the lord commanded the man and linen

[01:39:58] Take fire from among the wheels from among the cherubim

[01:40:02] The man went in and stood beside a wheel

[01:40:05] Then one of the cherubim reached out his hand to the fire that was among them

[01:40:09] He took up some of it and put it into the hands of the man and linen who took it and went out

[01:40:14] Okay, okay now i'm about to engage uh parentheses voice got it. Yeah

[01:40:19] Under the wings of the cherubim could be seen what looked like human hands and parentheses

[01:40:24] Okay, so the angels don't just have wings. They have human hands. I see okay. Yeah

[01:40:29] I looked and I saw beside the cherubim four wheels

[01:40:34] One beside each of the cherubim the wheel

[01:40:37] Sparkled like topaz

[01:40:40] As for their appearance the four of them looked alike

[01:40:43] Each was like a wheel intersecting a wheel remember. Yeah, that was the word they used. Yeah

[01:40:48] As they moved they would go in any one of the four directions the cherubim faced

[01:40:54] The wheels did not turn about as the cherubim went

[01:40:58] So it was just able to you know zoom zoom. They just went the ways, but it didn't turn right. Okay. It was like

[01:41:05] Side to side and back and forth. It's like a really shitty like a tari game. It's like, um professor zavier's

[01:41:13] Wheelchair from x-men. Yeah, and it was floaty and goey right right. Yeah

[01:41:20] The cherubim went in whatever direction the head faced without turning as they went

[01:41:25] Their entire bodies including their backs their hands and their wings were completely full of eyes

[01:41:33] As were their four wheels. Wow so many eyes its eyes all the way down

[01:41:38] Yeah, I heard the wheels being called the whirling wheels

[01:41:43] That's what I always call wheels the whirling wheels. Those are in quotes. I mean, oh my god, they're for real

[01:41:52] I'm just imagining

[01:41:55] Whoa get a load of those whirling wheels

[01:41:58] This is so ridiculous those wheels were really whirling

[01:42:02] Check out check it

[01:42:04] I just I want to see a religious person walked on the street with like a shirt with like the whirling wheels on it

[01:42:10] Right

[01:42:11] Like oh

[01:42:12] You really did read the book the book. Yeah, yeah, good on you man

[01:42:15] Yeah, right each of the cherubim had four faces one face was that of a cherub?

[01:42:20] The second the face of a human being the third the face of a lion and the fourth the face of an eagle

[01:42:27] So we're missing an ox. Oh, like that was yeah, like they added the human being but they or something

[01:42:31] No, they added the cherub. They had the cherub. Yeah, they added the cherub

[01:42:35] So they've got man and cherub did away with so that we've changed the image of the angel here

[01:42:40] Yeah, because we're missing the ox. Yeah

[01:42:42] Then the cherubim rose upward

[01:42:46] These were the living creatures I had seen by the k-bar river not quite. I know not quite not quite

[01:42:51] It's close. It's really really fucking close

[01:42:54] But the statue changed. Yeah took on a new face and dropped one right. I'd be looking around

[01:42:59] Yeah, it's definitely where'd that face go? That's different. I bet that's a contradiction. I bet it is

[01:43:05] When the cherub moved the wheels beside them moved and when the cherubim spread their wings to rise from the ground

[01:43:13] The wheels did not leave their side

[01:43:15] Okay, how did they have room to spread out their wing wings to fly?

[01:43:19] I I'd really have to see this in action to to figure this out. I don't know

[01:43:23] Don't understand. I'm not I'm not having an easy time with this visualization here

[01:43:27] And you know what?

[01:43:29] Making things have room for wings to spread out is a common art problem

[01:43:36] Um, the most recent example you didn't see this but I did the movie damsel on netflix starring

[01:43:43] Millie bobby brown who played enola homes. Okay

[01:43:48] In the enola home series right um sherlock's younger sister

[01:43:52] Anyway, really cute series based on a really cute book, but the movie damsel

[01:43:56] It was a three star movie at best. That's me being really generous. Okay, and inside the cave is a dragon

[01:44:06] voiced by the actress who plays uh, uh, what's her name like a maseralla

[01:44:12] I can't remember how to say her name but in um, oh in a in the experience. Yeah, you know who i'm talking about right?

[01:44:18] Yes, I do um, she was a very she was in charge of the moon and stuff like that

[01:44:23] The earth and the moon. Yeah, right. She has a very distinguishable voice which I adore

[01:44:29] And she voiced the dragon and that was great got it

[01:44:33] And the art of the dragon was great like actually a lot of the art in the movie that i'm talking about damsel was great

[01:44:40] But when the dragon spread out its wings and flew

[01:44:45] Through the corridors

[01:44:47] How they're inside a motherfucking mountain. Yeah, that doesn't work out very well. No

[01:44:53] No, it doesn't like the dynamics the science doesn't work

[01:44:57] And I understand that this is fantasy not science

[01:45:01] But we have to be able to see how it works if you're gonna do something like this sure and so these

[01:45:09] Cherubim flying that means they're flapping their wings, right?

[01:45:13] How how is this happening the the science ain't sciencing?

[01:45:17] I don't know. I mean be on the fact that they're fucking angels in the first place with multiple faces

[01:45:24] Right, right, but still don't don't bring this magical thing and then say and they were flying and there was plenty of rooms

[01:45:30] They're fucking wings. We're already talking about a god

[01:45:33] So, I mean, you know, I know I expect too much

[01:45:37] I expect too much. Yeah, especially from thousands of years ago

[01:45:40] It's just they they are asking too much. I think I don't expect too much. They are asking too much

[01:45:46] Okay

[01:45:47] When the cherubim stood still they also stood still and when the cherubim rose they rose with them

[01:45:53] Because the wheels that is right because the spirit of the living creatures was in them. Okay, okay

[01:46:00] Then

[01:46:01] The glory of the lord departed from over the threshold of the temple and stopped above the cherubim

[01:46:08] And I wonder what's gonna happen. I wonder when while I watched the cherubim spread their wings

[01:46:15] And rose from the ground and as they went the wheels went with them

[01:46:19] They go with like we just said that like five times in a row. No, the wheels keep going wherever they go

[01:46:24] If they go, that's where the wheels do okay, right

[01:46:27] They stopped at the entrance of the east gate of the lord's house and the glory of god was above them

[01:46:34] So the glory completely left the temple. Yeah, and it's above the cherubim. Yeah, it's with the the throne now, but

[01:46:42] so the

[01:46:43] What we're seeing is that the glory of the lord is back with the lordy lord on the throne

[01:46:49] Is what i'm getting out of this. Okay, he had dropped off his glory for safekeeping and he's like giving my glory back

[01:46:55] Right, right like glory hole. No, that's something different. Yes, that's something different

[01:47:01] These were the living creatures I had seen beneath. No, they weren't though beneath the god of israel by the k bar river

[01:47:08] And I realized that they were cherubim

[01:47:11] So why did he realize that what?

[01:47:14] Reference does he have to real realize that they are cherubim, right? That's what I would like

[01:47:19] I'm just curious like and I realized for no reason whatsoever that these are some classification of angel

[01:47:25] What why why maybe it's some classification of snake, right?

[01:47:30] Maybe it's some classification of fever dream, right?

[01:47:33] Yeah, like you have no fucking reference for what an angel looks like so weird or that they even exist

[01:47:39] Yeah, I mean more over right

[01:47:42] Each had four faces and four wings and under their wings was what looked like human hands

[01:47:48] Was it man?

[01:47:49] Mm-hmm

[01:47:50] Their faces had the same appearances as those I had seen by the k bar river

[01:47:55] Except that they had cherubim faces instead of ox faces. So they weren't actually the same. They were actually

[01:48:01] Different. Yeah, each one went straight ahead the end

[01:48:05] What a stupid chapter. Yeah, like we just repeated over and over and over and over what these stupid fucking angels look like

[01:48:14] And from chapter one. Yeah, but only it wasn't even correct. Yeah, at least it wasn't the same

[01:48:20] Yeah, and okay, so god left the temple and there were cherubim and they fucking burnt shit and

[01:48:28] What I would be curious to know is so are these different angel people guys then

[01:48:34] Ezekiel saw in chapter one or was it a

[01:48:39] Mistranslation

[01:48:40] Slash error, I mean, I think that's something we'll have to look up on the q&a. Yeah, because I mean well

[01:48:46] Maybe I think you already did the research since we're doing this late. So

[01:48:49] Yeah, um, I'll have to get into that another time

[01:48:53] But I am curious and maybe it'll come up in contradictions too. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see

[01:48:59] We'll have to talk about it at some point at any rate, right

[01:49:03] Okay, well that was jerry. I'm sorry. Oh wow

[01:49:07] That was a zekeel. It was easy k my friend. Um chapter 10 sure as fuck was

[01:49:12] Which means that tomorrow is saturday and we'll be getting into

[01:49:17] q&a

[01:49:18] Saturday and then on sunday this week. We'll be doing our

[01:49:22] Chakra religious book club and then I will get the weekly wrap up out and we will be back on monday with

[01:49:29] Ezekiel chapter 11. All right, we'll see you then. Bye

[01:49:39] Husband wife guess what we're doing today

[01:49:42] Well, it is still barely saturday. So that means that today we're doing our q&a

[01:49:48] Saturday and what are we queuing and aing today? We are going to go over

[01:49:55] uh chapter eight of Ezekiel

[01:49:58] Where the women were mourning the god tamuz

[01:50:03] And then we are going over

[01:50:06] chapter 10 of Ezekiel where there were

[01:50:10] four different faces on

[01:50:13] The cherubim thing that Ezekiel saw but in the first chapter he saw

[01:50:19] One set of faces and in chapter 10. He saw

[01:50:23] The same set of faces but with a difference and what and right, right?

[01:50:29] So we're gonna go over those so those are the those are the only questions we had on six through ten then

[01:50:33] Okay, yes

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[01:51:27] All right, so we are gonna talk first about

[01:51:31] um

[01:51:32] One of the visions that Ezekiel had okay

[01:51:36] Do you remember how first he like went into the building and he saw through the building that there

[01:51:42] Yeah, that little peephole that got created or whatever. Yeah, so that was where he was seeing them

[01:51:49] Use egyptian

[01:51:51] style

[01:51:53] worshiping okay, okay, and then

[01:51:55] um, the next vision that he had was of finnishin style worshiping where the women were weeping for tamus

[01:52:02] Okay, and then the last one was persian style worshiping where they were worshiping the sun

[01:52:08] Oh, so they're literally literally calling. I didn't realize that when we were reading the chapters

[01:52:12] But they're literally calling out specific other gods that they were worshiping. Yes listing them off essentially

[01:52:18] Yes, okay. Yeah, all right. Um, I had to glean that from the notes

[01:52:23] I pulled that out um from the research because it wasn't explicit

[01:52:28] What gods they were worshiping it was just

[01:52:32] It was in the practices that they were doing right the way they were doing it

[01:52:34] Exactly

[01:52:35] They named the practices but not what gods and cultures were associated with it. Got it

[01:52:40] So that's why I just wanted to elucidate that a little bit. Yeah, say. Yeah

[01:52:45] So these were the cultures that they were borrowing from okay, but you know, we know about their egyptian stuff

[01:52:53] We know about the worshiping the god

[01:52:55] I mean everybody knows about you know

[01:52:58] Worshiping raw kind of thing. So we're not going to get into that too much

[01:53:03] What I really want to talk about though because I had never heard of this before

[01:53:07] Was the middle one the finician worship where the women were weeping for temus? Okay, okay

[01:53:14] And that specifically is stated in verse 14 of chapter eight

[01:53:19] Then he brought me to the entrance of the north gate of the house of the lord

[01:53:23] And I saw women sitting there mourning the god temus

[01:53:28] Okay. Yeah, so why were they mourning and who is temus and what the fuck is happening there, right?

[01:53:34] Yeah, sure. Okay. So an ancient ritual of Sumerian origin

[01:53:40] The weeping is to commemorate the death

[01:53:43] Of seasonal fertility. So like the end of spring

[01:53:48] And the cold stresses the mourning aspect of it. Okay, it's known to the Sumerians actually as

[01:53:57] Dumazid

[01:53:59] The shepherd instead of temus, but it's the same guy. I think it's interesting though that

[01:54:04] Sumerian gods

[01:54:07] Survived this long like that's that's something that they and we know that you know much of the

[01:54:12] The bible is based on an old testament and was based on older gods and older stories. So

[01:54:18] It's not completely surprising but to actually have a specific

[01:54:22] Practice being mentioned in the in the Old Testament is kind of amazing. Oh, it gets even better because

[01:54:28] Um, he was known before that to the Canaanites as a dawn

[01:54:32] Okay, okay, right and you know, that's where you get into the adonai

[01:54:38] Right. Yeah, yeah like lord god holy, right? Yeah, so um

[01:54:45] Temus was an ancient mesopotamian deity

[01:54:49] Associated with agriculture and shepherds who was also the first and primary consort of the goddess Inanna

[01:54:57] We've talked about her before right. Um, she was later known as ishtar, right?

[01:55:01] And remember we did we did a kind of a deep dive on that one because she was named as the queen of heaven

[01:55:07] And we were like who's the fuck is the queen of heaven?

[01:55:11] And that's why we looked her up. We didn't look her up

[01:55:14] We looked up who is the queen of heaven. Sure. So um, and she was at one time

[01:55:20] Um god's wife god's consort. So that's also where like the ashera pulls and stuff like that comes from

[01:55:26] Yep, okay. Yep

[01:55:27] That is because that's all the same essentially the same realm of

[01:55:31] Yes, it's the same goddess in various incarnations depending on

[01:55:37] Uh, which region was worshiping her but yes that is correct. Okay. So in the story Inanna

[01:55:43] Um, is who we're talking about?

[01:55:46] Um perceives that dumazid, which is the um, what's his name? Temus same guy, okay, right?

[01:55:53] So Inanna

[01:55:56] Perceives that dumuzid has failed to properly mourn her death

[01:56:01] So when she returns from the underworld

[01:56:04] She allows the gala demons to drag him down to the underworld as her replacement

[01:56:10] Okay, I don't know what gala demons are but

[01:56:13] They're under her control and she makes them right take him down. Okay. Yeah, that could be a whole another rabbit hole possible

[01:56:20] Yeah, oh yeah, I had to really restrain myself here because

[01:56:24] When we start getting into these gods the mesopotamian and the canaanite things and the samaritan things

[01:56:30] Yeah, they develop into the greek and then the roman gods sure that we're familiar with today

[01:56:36] Okay, so I had to really restrain myself got it. Got it. Yeah

[01:56:40] So Inanna later regrets this decision and she decrees that dumazid will spend half of the year in the underworld

[01:56:48] But the other half of the year with her

[01:56:51] Oh

[01:56:52] While his sister gestinana

[01:56:54] Stays in the underworld in his place those other six months

[01:56:58] I see thus resulting in the cycle of the seasons. Okay, right now in the epic of gilgamesh

[01:57:05] Yeah, which also has a lot of biblical references

[01:57:09] Temus again the same dude um as uh, uh, dumas dumuzid, right, right

[01:57:17] Temus was the lover of ishtar's youth and ishtar again is inanna. Okay. Yeah

[01:57:24] Who was turned into an ala ala lu bird?

[01:57:29] With a broken wing, okay

[01:57:31] Okay, yeah, so that's what happened to

[01:57:35] Him in that story got it. So there's different stories of him with different names and different

[01:57:42] Um end results of his activities

[01:57:45] Okay, so sometimes he's dragged to the underworld sometimes he's turned into a bird with a broken wing

[01:57:50] Just depends again on what region it is and what's happening. Sure. Okay

[01:57:54] So dumazid was associated with fertility and vegetation and the hot dry summers of mesopotamia

[01:58:02] Were believed to be caused by dumazid's yearly death

[01:58:06] Okay. Yeah, so as he would go to the underworld

[01:58:10] So would go all of the living

[01:58:14] Plantation with right right. Okay. Yeah during the month in mid summer bearing his name, which is july

[01:58:21] fyi

[01:58:22] um people all across mesopotamia would engage in public ritual morning for him

[01:58:28] Okay, so they're sad because their plans are all dying which means

[01:58:32] You know not only is our agriculture coming to an end for the season

[01:58:36] But now we about to freeze to death sure and that fucking sucks, right?

[01:58:40] Right the cult of dumazid

[01:58:43] Later spread to the levant and to Greece where he became known under the west Semitic name adonis

[01:58:50] Okay, okay. I wondered it kind of sounded like that when I said adonis. Yeah

[01:58:54] Yeah, yeah, and I did mention this on friday too that that he is adonis in a previous incarnation

[01:59:01] Right, right the cult of ishtar and tamuz may have been introduced to the kingdom of juda during the reign of maniasa

[01:59:10] Which I find very interesting because

[01:59:15] To to have been brought in that means that it wasn't dead yet, right? You know what I mean? Yeah, so these stories kept being there

[01:59:22] and surrounding them the israelites and

[01:59:27] Some kings let the stories prevail while others tried to you know stomp out the fires of them

[01:59:32] Yeah, I mean we talk about it all the time how these stories are like kind of like an under

[01:59:36] Current in the bible like they not not specifically the stories, but the the

[01:59:42] The reference to these other gods and these other

[01:59:45] Things that are happening with regard to other gods. So exactly. Yeah

[01:59:49] Yep

[01:59:49] In greek mythology adonis was the mortal lover of the goddess's

[01:59:54] Aphrodite and persephone

[01:59:57] Who am he was famous for having achieved immortality?

[02:00:01] He was widely considered to be the ideal of male beauty in classical antiquity

[02:00:07] So when we see a lot of greek statues

[02:00:10] Those are generally statues of adonis got it that perfect male figure

[02:00:18] Is adonis sure and so that's what we mean today if we say wow, he's a real adonis right?

[02:00:24] Like I don't think people our age and younger like we're in our 40s

[02:00:29] I don't think 40 and younger would use it, but I've heard it before that's been thrown around that you know recent recent generations anyway

[02:00:37] Yeah, so yeah, so younger people wouldn't know what the fuck we're talking about

[02:00:41] But younger people probably aren't listening and if they are well now you learn a thing

[02:00:46] So wow what an adonis right? Yeah, beautiful. Maybe you can start make it a thing again, you know

[02:00:52] Oh my god, I'm gonna make fetch happen

[02:00:54] Yeah, okay, so the myth goes that adonis was gored by a wild boar

[02:01:00] During a hunting trip gotta watch out for those wild boars. I mean if you talk to uh, john

[02:01:06] Yeah, kody johnston. Yeah of some more news and even more news. Yeah, he's like terrified of wild boars

[02:01:13] Yeah, that's funny

[02:01:16] Yeah, so he died from this goreng in aphrodite's arms as she wept

[02:01:22] His blood mingled with her tears

[02:01:24] And that became the anemone flower

[02:01:27] Oh, okay, so that's the myth behind where the anemone comes from got it. Okay

[02:01:32] Aphrodite declared the adonia festival. So adonis right adonai

[02:01:39] You know adonia festival. Yeah to commemorate his tragic death which was celebrated by women every year in mid summer

[02:01:48] During this festival greek women would plant so-called gardens of adonis

[02:01:54] Small pots containing fast growing plants

[02:01:57] Which they would set on top of their houses in the hot sun

[02:02:01] The plants would sprout but then would soon wither and die

[02:02:04] You know because if you leave a plant in the sun, that's what right it happens, right?

[02:02:08] Then the women would mourn

[02:02:11] Quote unquote, right? That's kind of cool. Actually the death of adonis. Yeah. Yeah, I like that

[02:02:15] I mean i do too is kind of a neat like

[02:02:18] Just kind of appreciating the passing of the seasons, you know, yeah

[02:02:23] I don't really see a problem with it per se

[02:02:26] I you know what? I mean

[02:02:28] I don't see a lot of problems and a lot of religious practices if they are

[02:02:33] Not harmful like in a lot of the a lot of the more

[02:02:37] pagan traditions

[02:02:39] Or more based around culture and or not culture. I'm sorry seasons and seasons and weather and death and things like that

[02:02:46] You know, like it was very pertinent to be in a human right exactly survival in the wild

[02:02:53] I don't mind those as much as

[02:02:56] What we've turned religion into in the modern age, right? So right. Yeah same

[02:03:01] So the women would mourn the death of adonis tearing their clothes and beating their breasts in a public display of grief

[02:03:09] So i'm sure much like we hear about them doing for whatever reasons in the bible all the time. Yeah, yeah

[02:03:15] So that just like fit right in yeah

[02:03:18] In late 19th and early 20th century scholarship of religion

[02:03:24] So kind of recently. Yeah

[02:03:26] Adonis was widely seen as a prime example of the archetypical

[02:03:31] dying and rising god

[02:03:34] Okay, so you know a jesus type figure sure because he did come back, right, right from

[02:03:41] Every season or whatever. Yeah, right. Yeah, the name adonis is related to adonai

[02:03:48] One of the titles used to refer to the god of the hebrew bible

[02:03:52] And still used in judaism to the present day

[02:03:55] The syrian name for adonis is

[02:03:58] Gaius

[02:03:59] Okay, which I just think is cool. Yeah

[02:04:02] Other adaptations of adon in various civilizations include the canaanite god ba'al who was worshiped in yugaret

[02:04:11] Really and of course tamuz or demuzi, which that's how we started this

[02:04:18] Peace here. You said one of the names for this

[02:04:21] Adonis or whatever is is a name

[02:04:24] What was the name like it was a name for god, right in the bible adonai? Yeah, yeah

[02:04:29] That's a name for god that they said you

[02:04:30] Right. Yeah. Yeah. No, I was just I was

[02:04:33] Sorry, I'm just recapping because apparently this same god is related to ba'al

[02:04:40] Which is very interesting because we know ba'al

[02:04:45] It's almost their direct, you know rival, you know, but these names are the same which makes me think that

[02:04:51] A lot of this was just competing the same the same god competing against different factions. Yeah, you know, yeah

[02:04:57] It's it's all the same sport. It's just different teams representing the same sport. Right. Right. Yeah

[02:05:05] so, um

[02:05:08] He's also known as tamuz or demuzi meaning july which I already said

[02:05:12] Yeah, um to the ba'alonians and then in egypt. He was osiris the god of resurrection

[02:05:20] Yeah, so that's a whole different bag of worms. Right. Yeah, okay

[02:05:23] No, I mean it sounds very relevant like in a roundabout way. It sounds very relevant to christianity. Yes

[02:05:30] So that that's interesting. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I had no idea

[02:05:33] I was like or at least heavily influenced the ideas behind christianity

[02:05:37] Right, exactly or was happening at the same time so that all the names are confused as to who was what

[02:05:44] Well, what's with regard to christianity much of this happened prior to christianity, right?

[02:05:49] Which leads me to believe that probably influenced it heavily. Sure. Sure at least some of the resurrection ideas and the

[02:05:55] You know things like that. Oh, yeah, definitely

[02:05:58] So then um, so that was that q that we had. Yeah, and I would consider that very aid

[02:06:03] Right. So our next q comes from chapter 10 verse 14

[02:06:09] Each of the cherubim had four faces one was that one face was that of a cherub

[02:06:16] Not an ox, right the second the face of a human being. Okay, that one tracks

[02:06:20] Yeah, the third the face of a lion. Okay, and the fourth the face of an eagle. Yeah

[02:06:26] Yeah, so, you know that was in uh verse one or i'm sorry chapter one

[02:06:31] He described the same thing except he said

[02:06:34] Ox instead of cherub. Yeah, so what the fuck right right? So, um, I

[02:06:40] Did as much research as I could and there is no consensus now. There are three suggestions

[02:06:48] That all result in

[02:06:51] Okay, so here are the three possibilities and you tell me which you think yeah, okay? All right

[02:06:57] So some explain the discrepancy

[02:07:00] By saying that uh these beings are cherubim and each face is actually the face of a cherub

[02:07:06] So there was simply some unknown reason why the substitute word was used

[02:07:11] That's like the most apologist apology. That sounds so fucking generic

[02:07:16] It's it's the it's not ours to know right don't worry about it. Stop questioning. Yeah, that that doesn't even that

[02:07:22] That doesn't even come close to gleaning an answer for the for that. Yeah, like no, but I want to know right like you put this in front of me

[02:07:29] I want to know yeah, and you described it two different ways. Yeah, so what does that mean? Why why a human being described in two different ways?

[02:07:36] Yeah, so why why

[02:07:38] What just you know and and then told me it was the same being right like the living the living creatures

[02:07:45] Is what he called them. Yeah, and so i'm like, okay

[02:07:48] So are there two types because he's saying this is the same guys sure so i'm like which one is it right?

[02:07:54] Okay, so that's one explanation. Okay, and I do not accept that one sure

[02:07:58] Okay, some explain this by saying that the face of a cherub is

[02:08:03] Something like the face of an ox

[02:08:06] Okay

[02:08:07] Yeah, he just didn't see it right the first time

[02:08:10] I don't know about that because cherub is what the guy basically is

[02:08:17] Right like he's a four-faced angel guy

[02:08:20] Right, right, so i'm like he's an angel guy and one of his faces is an ox is an angel

[02:08:27] What?

[02:08:27] Right, it doesn't make any fucking sense

[02:08:30] So I don't accept that answer either. Yeah

[02:08:33] And then some explain this by the error of a scribe who copied the text

[02:08:39] And that's probably the most likely with that one. Yeah. Yeah, but don't don't tell me it's not that one because look

[02:08:45] Here's the it's it's either that or you know, we have to throw this whole thing out the window. Yeah, because

[02:08:52] It's hypothetically

[02:08:54] Ezekiel writing this whole book right we're pretending. We're pretending like that's the case in canon

[02:08:59] He wrote the whole fucking thing and can we wrote the whole fucking thing

[02:09:02] The same motherfucker

[02:09:05] Described the same entity

[02:09:07] Almost to a t exactly the same way except

[02:09:10] For one small fact

[02:09:12] Yeah, he changed the cherub to or he changed the ox to and cherub and it turns out that that one small fact

[02:09:18] Was a pretty big fucking deal. Yeah, because

[02:09:22] That's that ox and cherub are

[02:09:25] What?

[02:09:26] No, um now I will say that the word

[02:09:32] Cherub comes from the same root as the word caribou

[02:09:36] Which I found interesting

[02:09:38] Okay, but I didn't see anybody else make that connection that isn't ox and caribou from the same family

[02:09:46] I could have accepted something along those lines, but I didn't see that offered up right. I made that connection

[02:09:52] Sure, sure like and I I've mentioned it more than once

[02:09:56] And stumbled across it more than once that it came from that same root word, right?

[02:10:01] I'm going to I'm going to lean more that this is a copy and error

[02:10:05] Yeah, because that that tracks better in my mind. So and it might even have involved that

[02:10:11] Uh similarity in term sure, you know

[02:10:15] Possibly yeah, because the the words might have even been close in like how they look in the original hebrew or whatever

[02:10:20] Yeah, I don't know right so yeah, but regardless of how the error came about it was an error nonetheless

[02:10:27] Okay, I'm going to call that one aid but with a question mark and an asterisk and a fuck you

[02:10:33] So once again the bible is not infallible correct. This is not the word of god correct

[02:10:38] Okay, I just wanted to clarify and also because we even are sitting here with these questions about this ridiculous book

[02:10:46] God is a dick. There you go. Yeah

[02:10:49] Accepting that there is one which there's not there's not right. Yeah. Yeah

[02:10:53] All right. Well, was that all we had to cover today? That is all we had to cover today. Okay, well that was yourself aid off

[02:11:04] That was our q&a for chapters uh zkill chapters six through ten and uh, oh

[02:11:11] This is saturday, which means that tomorrow is sunday. So we'll be back tomorrow with our

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[02:12:02] So we'll see you guys later. Bye

[02:12:11] Why guess what we're doing now

[02:12:14] Well, it is late on sunday, but it is still sunday. So that means that we are doing our

[02:12:21] Uh sacrilegious book club you messed me up when you're like we can get our shit together. Yeah, you were like

[02:12:27] And I was like what yeah, sorry. Sorry. Yeah, it's sunday. It's it's still sunday and that's book club currently

[02:12:33] Yeah, um, so what are we book clubbing today? We are still reading a treasury of jewish folklore

[02:12:40] Stories traditions legends humor wisdom and folk songs of the jewish people

[02:12:45] edited by nathan osyabell

[02:12:48] We finished part one jewish salt part two heroes part three the human comedy and we are currently in

[02:12:54] Part four tales and legends and today we'll be reading from chapter four

[02:13:00] Folk tales which we started last time and so we're finishing up this time and we'll be reading chapter five

[02:13:07] Demon tales. Oh demon tales, huh? I know right all right. That sounds like fun

[02:13:13] All right, you ready to get into this sure as fuck. Yeah, let's do it. Okie dokie

[02:13:26] All right husband, do you remember the last time that we started

[02:13:31] Uh reading from this book what we were doing in folk tales not even a little bit

[02:13:36] I mean it was over two weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I can barely usually remember what we did the last episode

[02:13:41] So right you're asking me remember two weeks ago and I'm like, um, it was alexander the great

[02:13:46] Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do I do now that you mentioned it remember going over that. Yes

[02:13:51] Yeah, so that was all the first half of folk tales. Okay, so

[02:13:56] Um, I thought we would do the other half today, but I really only liked a couple of the stories from this section

[02:14:02] Okay, so that's why I went on into demons got it. Yeah, so let's finish up folk tales here

[02:14:08] Okay, sure. So we are going to read the test of a true friend on page

[02:14:14] 570. Okay. What do you think is the test of a true friend that they always know your name?

[02:14:20] What where they always know your name? That's a bar. Oh, that's a bar. Okay. Um

[02:14:26] Have you ever heard the adage like your friends know where the bodies are right?

[02:14:31] Yeah, you know, you could call them and they wouldn't ask any questions. They'd help you bury the body

[02:14:35] Yeah, yeah. Yeah, this kind of is maybe where that came from. Okay. It's kind of interesting. Got it. Here we go. Ready? I'm ready

[02:14:43] When the time came for arvis the philosopher to die

[02:14:47] He called his son to his bedside and asked tell me my son how many friends have you made in your life?

[02:14:54] I have about a hundred friends answer the son proudly. Damn, that's a lot

[02:14:57] Yeah, he was clearly on facebook right counting all his social media pals

[02:15:01] Yeah, like people he bumped into down the street, you know, yeah, dad's about to set him straight like

[02:15:06] Actually, that's not how friendship works

[02:15:09] Whatever you do arvis admonished his son. Don't believe a man is your friend until you've proved him

[02:15:15] Reflect that I who am so much older than you have found only half a friend in all my life

[02:15:22] Isn't it rash of you to say that you have a hundred?

[02:15:25] Therefore my son go improve your friends and find out if you have one real friend among them

[02:15:32] Okay. Yeah, so so there's gonna be some test he's gonna put to his friends

[02:15:36] Oh, yes, okay. I'm about to tell you what that test is. Got it. Okay. How shall I prove them the son asked?

[02:15:42] Then arvis instructed his son

[02:15:44] Slaughter a calf cut it up in pieces and put them in a sack

[02:15:49] Also dip the sack itself in blood

[02:15:53] Then carry it to one of your friends and say to him dear friend help me. I implore you. I've just killed a man

[02:15:59] Please bury him in your yard and nobody need ever know about it

[02:16:03] In this way, you will save me from disaster. Right. Yeah

[02:16:07] Okay

[02:16:08] The son did is his father counseled and bringing the sack to a friend he pleaded with him to help conceal it

[02:16:14] His friend replied. Oh remove that carcass from my house and be off with you bury it elsewhere yourself and suffer the consequences of your crime

[02:16:22] That's not a friend furthermore never darken my threshold again

[02:16:26] Although I gotta stop you here though, right friend if you don't question at least like what the fuck did you do man?

[02:16:33] Right. What happened? You have to at least question. Yeah, you can't just do it blindly

[02:16:39] Because you might be helping a fucking serial, you know, like you you this friend hasn't tested you with the same method

[02:16:45] Right. So how the fuck do they know what you're up to?

[02:16:47] I think the fact that this guy didn't tattle on him, but was just like look

[02:16:51] I'm gonna pretend this never happened, but no, I'm not gonna help you go away

[02:16:57] That's a little bit friendly. I don't I I think people generally just don't like to be involved with other things. Okay, that's true

[02:17:03] That is true. This is I'm get that out of I don't even want to know that that happened

[02:17:07] But let me ask you this

[02:17:08] Wouldn't you be afraid for the rest of your life that this guy that you just found out in your mind is a murderer

[02:17:15] Right, wouldn't you be afraid that he would come to you and kill you because you know his dirty secret

[02:17:21] And you wouldn't help him. Yeah, so I don't know

[02:17:24] Like you have a choice to make there live the rest of your life in fear that a murder is gonna get you or

[02:17:32] Go ahead and play friend like and maybe find out what happened while you're helping

[02:17:36] Well, we don't know maybe he came back like an hour later. I was like, huh just kidding man

[02:17:39] That was just a calf. Yeah, I don't think he did. Okay, but all right, maybe right

[02:17:43] I don't think he did though. Okay. So the son went to a second friend and to a third and even to the very last

[02:17:50] The hundredth one and each one drove him away

[02:17:53] He then returned to his father and told him all that had happened

[02:17:57] There's nothing unusual in your experience his father comforted him when a man prospers

[02:18:03] His friends are numerous and when he falls on evil days, they vanish like the mist

[02:18:08] Yeah, therefore my son do as I now bid you go and call on that man

[02:18:13] Who I have told you is only half a friend of mine and hear what his answer is

[02:18:18] Okay, the son went to call on his father's so-called half friend

[02:18:23] Right, he begged him to bury the bloody sack secretly his father's half friend

[02:18:29] Answered come quickly into the house so that the neighbors won't see you

[02:18:32] He also sent away his wife and children and when they were alone. He began to dig a grave in his yard

[02:18:38] When the grave was dug the son of arvis the philosopher revealed the true contents of the sack

[02:18:45] But he waited till the fucking grave was

[02:18:47] You know dug up. Yeah, right when you have like oh no man. You ain't gotta no that's cool. Thanks

[02:18:53] Right. Yeah, just the fact that you're willing to do it. That's yeah, yeah

[02:18:56] You are the friend my father claimed you to be yeah, I definitely would not make anybody dig a hole

[02:19:00] Right like good day to you sir, right?

[02:19:03] I came only to prove you as a friend of my father and I know now that you are a true friend

[02:19:09] He cried the son then returned to his father and told him of the loving kindness his half friend had shown him

[02:19:16] Yeah, but tell me father. He asked do you think there is anybody in the world lucky enough to have a whole friend?

[02:19:24] I have never in my life seen a whole friend his father answered

[02:19:28] But I've heard a story about one

[02:19:31] Tell me about it beg the son

[02:19:33] I'm curious because like what the fuck is a whole friend, right?

[02:19:36] His father then told him the story of true friendship. Okay. Yeah, I thought this was pretty decent story. Okay, yeah

[02:19:43] Once there were two young merchants one lived in Egypt the other in Babylon

[02:19:48] They had never met but they knew of each other through the reports of travelers

[02:19:52] They also sent each other merchandise with messengers

[02:19:56] Once the merchant who lived in Babylon went to Egypt with a caravan of merchandise

[02:20:02] When the Egyptian merchant heard that his friend was coming

[02:20:05] He hurried out to welcome him embraced him and brought him to his home

[02:20:09] He showed him all his treasure and had all of his man servants and women's servants weighed upon him

[02:20:15] You know all his slaves. He's like do this do this man good. Yeah, it's rough work making all those people do those things

[02:20:21] Mm-hmm on the eighth day of his day the merchant of Babylon felt ill

[02:20:26] His anxious friend then called the most eminent physicians of Egypt to examine the sick men

[02:20:32] Man, they examined him thoroughly, but they found no sign of illness. So they deduced that he was love sick

[02:20:41] Okay, apparently being love sick makes you as as sick as if you were flu sick

[02:20:47] Okay, yeah, you see where this is going right is he gonna offer his fucking wife or something close daughter. Yes close

[02:20:54] Tell me who is the woman you love his friend asked

[02:20:58] Call all the women of your household and I will point out to you the woman my heart desires

[02:21:04] The merchant of Egypt showed all his female servants, but the sick man answered no she is not among them

[02:21:11] Then the Egyptian showed him a young girl an orphan who he himself had

[02:21:18] Planned had raised and whom he had planned to marry because he was without a wife

[02:21:23] You know the way you just adopt an orphan and wait for them to grow up so that you can then fucking marry them

[02:21:29] Right the way we all do right. Yeah

[02:21:32] When the sick man saw this child this girl child this orphan with no parents and nobody to protect her

[02:21:39] Yeah, this kidnapped

[02:21:41] Little girl child right kid. Sorry. It just says when he saw her. Yeah, I had to just added you

[02:21:50] Yeah, he exclaimed behold this little person this child

[02:21:56] This

[02:21:57] Not of age thing this girl holds the power of life and death over me

[02:22:02] Okay, fell in love with a little kid, right? That's gross

[02:22:06] When the Egyptian heard this he said to his friend take her and may she be a good wife to you

[02:22:11] So he just you know

[02:22:12] Gives up somebody that's not actually blood relation and you can fuck this kid

[02:22:17] I was gonna fuck this kid, but I really like you so you can fuck this kid

[02:22:21] Wow

[02:22:21] Yeah, it's not pedophilia if you marry her or if you're alive 2000 years ago

[02:22:26] Right or if you're alive today and have the money to get the laws changed so that you can marry kids in some states

[02:22:32] Yeah, that's not even have to be changed. There's there's laws that are standing in states that you can marry people in your age

[02:22:38] Yep, and that's exciting for all children everywhere. Yeah

[02:22:43] He gave the bride, you know the kidnapped orphan child a dowry and many gifts soon after the sick man became well again

[02:22:51] Yeah, I bet he did and journeying back to Babylon with his bride

[02:22:56] His child. Yeah, I'm sorry that part really bothered me right. No, I thought you said this was a you like this story

[02:23:01] I like what I like the story

[02:23:06] In except for the fact that there's you know pedophilia and I take that out except for that

[02:23:11] Right, like let's see that he just fell in love with a woman a woman, right that um

[02:23:18] Lived in but even if you fell in love with a woman it would like a true love story would have to be a mutual love story

[02:23:25] And this is not a mutual love story

[02:23:27] That's what I was going to say and let's say that she loved him in return

[02:23:31] Like let's say that they fell in love and he was like but I know that this is you know

[02:23:36] Somebody in your household. So I couldn't possibly tell you this

[02:23:39] So if we adapted this for a time frame in history where people aren't sick fucks. Yeah, okay

[02:23:45] Yeah, that's that's where my mind is gonna go with it. Okay. Yeah

[02:23:49] Years later the wheel of fortune turned and the merchant of egypt lost all his possessions and became

[02:23:55] Destitute in his despair. He thought of his friend and said to himself

[02:24:00] I will go to my friend in babelon for he will surely help me

[02:24:04] Yeah

[02:24:04] When he arrived in babelon the merchant of egypt was foot sore from his long journey

[02:24:09] His shoes were torn and his garments were in tatters

[02:24:13] He trembled for fear that his friend would not recognize him

[02:24:17] And that the servants would drive him away as a mere beggar

[02:24:20] Yeah, he spent the first night in an abandoned house at the city's outskirts as he looked out on the street

[02:24:27] He saw two men quarreling

[02:24:29] One of the two drew a knife and stabbed the other to death and then he ran away. Oh this escalated quickly, right? Yeah

[02:24:36] A multitude soon gathered and began to hunt for the murderer when they entered the abandoned house there

[02:24:42] They found the merchant from egypt. Oh, yeah

[02:24:45] Do you know who murdered this man? They asked him

[02:24:48] Now the destitute man felt sick of life and the thought of death appeared sweet by comparison

[02:24:54] So he cried. I am the murderer

[02:24:56] He went ahead because it was his friend who he doesn't know if it was his friend or not

[02:25:00] He just was like I might as well be dead like i'm so poor

[02:25:04] But he's right there near his friend. I know I know but he's like whatevs

[02:25:08] Okay, but he was also embarrassed and ashamed. He thought his friend might not recognize him

[02:25:13] So even though he was planning to go to his friend, he was still iffy even about that

[02:25:18] Okay, so he was like fuck it go ahead and just hang me for murder

[02:25:21] Oh, okay, you know so that the real murderer can go free. I yeah, I guess we love a murderer

[02:25:27] You don't even know who the fuck it is, right?

[02:25:30] Thereupon they took him and cast him into a dungeon

[02:25:33] The next morning the judges sentenced him to be hanged

[02:25:37] All the inhabitants of the city came to watch the execution because that's fun. That's entertainment

[02:25:43] Among them was his friend the merchant from Babylon who indeed recognized him even so, you know

[02:25:51] You are hanging an innocent man. He cried out to the judges

[02:25:54] He didn't even know if he was innocent or not. He's just like that's my friend that gave me my child bride. So, okay

[02:26:01] Know that not he but I am the murderer. Oh damn god damn that is a full friend, right?

[02:26:06] I mean, yeah

[02:26:07] The judges then ordered the stranger released and substituted the merchant of Babylon for him on the scalp scaffold

[02:26:15] Now among the great multitude gathered around the scaffold stood the real murderer

[02:26:20] The spectacle of such true devotion between two friends

[02:26:25] Stirred him deeply

[02:26:27] He said to himself if I permit an innocent man to die for my crime

[02:26:32] I shall receive a terrible punishment in the next world

[02:26:35] Bullshit. I know I know. Oh, sorry. Did I um, yeah

[02:26:38] Did you pop bullshit just then?

[02:26:41] So he cried to the judges released this man neither he nor his friend has committed this murder

[02:26:47] The first took upon himself the blame because he found life insufferable. I don't know why he knew that

[02:26:53] But somehow he knew that maybe they were allowed to like talk on the on the you know scaffolding or whatever

[02:26:58] Yeah, let's go with that

[02:27:00] Your last things here so as long as we're rewriting the story. Let's do it

[02:27:04] The other took upon himself the blame because of true friendship for the first

[02:27:09] Know that I am the real murderer hang me and do justice

[02:27:13] I feel like back then they just hung all three of them and been done with it

[02:27:16] Like all y'all are just like this is ridiculous. Yeah, you got we're gonna hang y'all today

[02:27:21] Yeah, so yay three for the price of one and the crowd cheered because they were so excited that

[02:27:28] You know, this is their facebook of the time

[02:27:30] You would you would think that an event like that would make people pause and be like, hey, you know

[02:27:34] Maybe the death penalty isn't the best option, right? Yeah

[02:27:39] Yeah, maybe maybe um since the murderer came clean himself and showed that his heart could be moved

[02:27:46] Maybe instead let's rehabilitate him right because we don't even know why he murdered the other guy

[02:27:53] Yeah, maybe the other guy like I don't know raped his daughter or something

[02:27:57] Right, not that I'm advocating murder, but I'm just saying maybe there were reasons

[02:28:02] I just decided they were like you're you're a murderer. We're gonna hang you right retribution and whatnot

[02:28:09] All right, this is the other story. I'm gonna read from this section

[02:28:13] It's called the three daughters or the evil of tailbearing. Okay, it's on page 583. All right

[02:28:20] Okay

[02:28:21] Once upon a time there lived a pious man who had three daughters

[02:28:25] The first one was a thief the second was a sluggard and the third was a liar who never spoke the truth

[02:28:31] And who slandered people whenever she had an opportunity

[02:28:36] One day a pious man who had three sons came to the city and said you have three daughters

[02:28:41] And I have three sons. Let us make a match between them

[02:28:44] Because yeah, that's how we do it right, but the father of the girl said let me alone

[02:28:50] My daughters are not good enough for your sons for each one has a vice. Oh my god, he was honest

[02:28:57] No, I'm like this is I'm thinking this is awful

[02:29:00] Like you are literally okay first of all you're doing something that

[02:29:03] You shouldn't I mean, okay, look, I know the times were different and culture because they still do that today, right? But like

[02:29:10] how

[02:29:13] You're giving away a human being and then you're like

[02:29:16] And and my own children my own children

[02:29:19] I'm gonna say aren't good enough to even be given away like fuck you dude. Yeah, you're their dad

[02:29:25] Yeah, fuck off man

[02:29:27] I mean honestly if you have three kids one of them is a liar one's a thief and one's a lazy ass like

[02:29:34] Why?

[02:29:35] Yeah, yeah, it seems like it might have you know apple doesn't fall far from the tree right like how

[02:29:39] Um pious were you my good sir, right?

[02:29:42] The father of the boys asked what are their vices and the other replied one's a thief

[02:29:47] The second is a sluggered and the third is a liar

[02:29:50] The father of the boys asked have they no other vices than these if so I will cure them leave it to me

[02:29:57] So they were betrothed and he took the damsels with him and married them to his sons

[02:30:02] As soon as the weddings were over he gave to the thief the keys to all his money

[02:30:07] And satisfied her greed so that she had no reason to steal

[02:30:11] Okay, to the second he gave men servants and maid servants and plenty so that she should have nothing to do

[02:30:17] Go ahead be lazy. It's fine as to the third he fulfilled all her wishes

[02:30:21] So that she should not tell lies or slander anybody and whenever the father

[02:30:26] Father-in-law left her house. He embraced and kissed her for he hoped that by being good to her

[02:30:31] He would cure her of her evil quality and she would not carry on slander anymore

[02:30:37] You know talking shit about people

[02:30:39] So so they get rewarded for bad behavior. Okay, that's awesome

[02:30:43] I'm okay. All right. Anyway, I'm I'm listening still

[02:30:46] I'm just

[02:30:47] I'm trying to like I'm a suit like a lot of these stories. There there's some sort of like a moral message or a moral right and

[02:30:54] Thus far we're shooting pretty low on these stories here today. No, it's great. It's great

[02:31:01] One day the father came to see how his daughters were getting on

[02:31:05] So he went to the first one and asked her how she was getting along with her husband

[02:31:08] And how she was treated by her parents-in-law. She replied

[02:31:12] I thank you so much father for having given me in marriage to this man for I have everything my heart desires

[02:31:19] And moreover, I have all the keys in my hand so that I do not have to steal

[02:31:24] It's almost like she's saying it's a good thing that my husband has money

[02:31:28] You obviously didn't have enough and that's why I had to steal right? Yes, son of a bitch

[02:31:33] Yeah, yeah, like oh, sorry. I wasn't rich. Yeah, Jesus

[02:31:37] Like guess what you can be not rich and also not be a thief

[02:31:42] Right, you know, yeah, like we're not rich and we're not thieves. How about that? Isn't that neat how that works out?

[02:31:47] That's pretty neat. Yeah

[02:31:48] Then he went to the sluggard and asked her I have taken a pen from work

[02:31:54] Oh, yeah, you did completely honest. No, I've done the same multiple times

[02:31:58] Actually, you took a roll of toilet paper from work. I did during the pandemic. Yeah, you did you did and sometimes you still tape from work

[02:32:05] Occasionally, yeah

[02:32:07] Yeah, I took paper from work one time an entire package of paper not like a box right but definitely an

[02:32:15] unopened paper

[02:32:18] I mean whatever, you know, sometimes you need printing paper, you know

[02:32:21] Sometimes you just got to do what you got to do and a company ain't gonna miss it. Yeah

[02:32:27] All right, so anyway, he went to the lazy ass and asked her how she was getting on

[02:32:31] And she also said I am so thankful to you father for having brought me here for I need not lift a hand

[02:32:38] I have men servants and maid servants and plenty and my husband and parents-in-law all treat me very well

[02:32:44] It pays to be lazy. You just wait around. Yeah, I guess everything works. It's so foul

[02:32:48] I mean, that's what I always like to believe because I am a lazy ass

[02:32:52] What?

[02:32:54] Then he came to the daughter who told lies to ask her how she was getting along and she said

[02:32:59] You are a fine father. I thought you gave me one husband

[02:33:02] But it seems you gave me two the father and the son

[02:33:06] For no sooner does my husband leave the house

[02:33:08] Then my father-in-law comes in and kisses me and hugs me and wants me to do his will remember slanderer

[02:33:14] Oh, yeah, dear father if you do not believe it come tomorrow morning and you will see it is true

[02:33:19] Next morning the father came and she put him in a room where he could see what was going on

[02:33:24] Her father-in-law came as usual and kissed her and embraced her and said to her my dear daughter-in-law

[02:33:29] How are you getting along? Is there anything you want?

[02:33:32] He did all this with the good intention of curing her of her vice, you know

[02:33:35] Yes, we said right but her father who saw it grew furious and rushed out of his chamber and killed him

[02:33:41] Oh my god

[02:33:42] Then he tried to get away

[02:33:44] But when her two brothers-in-law came home and found their father lying dead they killed their father-in-law

[02:33:50] Oh my god

[02:33:51] Then the slanderer began to shout

[02:33:53] Murder, murder

[02:33:54] And they understood it was through her that the tragedy had occurred. Oh my god, so they killed her too

[02:34:00] Holy shit

[02:34:01] And thus through slander three persons lost their lives

[02:34:06] Therefore did rabbi huna say the sin of the evil tongue is greater than the three sins

[02:34:12] Murder adultery and theft combined. Oh that this is what this whole story was about just sure about lying sucks

[02:34:19] You wanted a moral. Yeah, it's not just uh lying. It's like the slandering of people. Sure. Sure. I got you

[02:34:27] Yeah, okay. All right. So that finishes folk tales. We're done with that chapter. Okay

[02:34:34] Now we're gonna read about demon tales

[02:34:37] All right, there's a really cool intro where we get to learn about lily's

[02:34:42] Okay, we did a section on her before

[02:34:45] In a patreon. Yes

[02:34:47] I highly recommend that you go back and listen to that episode if you haven't already if you're a patreon member

[02:34:53] Right, I think it's just called lily's or something. I believe

[02:34:57] And if you're not a patreon member here is your

[02:35:02] obligatory

[02:35:03] Invitation to go do that to be fair. I think we released that one later like six months later after we released that episode

[02:35:09] I think we released it on our regular run too. Oh, okay

[02:35:12] So I could be wrong about that. I may not be correct, but I think it is in our regular run too

[02:35:16] Well, it was a good end. Yeah, and you should go listen to it. Yeah, but we're gonna learn about demons including lily's

[02:35:21] Yeah, okay, so i'm gonna read some some tidbits from the introduction to demon tales. Okay, okay

[02:35:29] According to primitive belief demons or spirits animate all natural phenomena

[02:35:35] Jews too believe in the reality of demons devils fiends specters ghosts and spirits

[02:35:41] Demons and migrant spirits

[02:35:43] Inflicted illness upon the body especially in the internal organs and the mind

[02:35:49] Each illness had its own particular demon

[02:35:52] Special demons for blindness

[02:35:54] Duffness epilepsy headache delirium insanity etc

[02:35:58] So much like in the natural world where we can't explain storms and we can't like in the ancient times, right? Yes

[02:36:03] We can't explain certain things gods do those things. Yeah

[02:36:08] And the internal on the on yourself with the things you can't explain happening to you

[02:36:12] Those are demons. Yeah. Okay. Yeah external is gods internal is demons right fucking with your body

[02:36:19] Yeah, yep

[02:36:20] Despite that a belief in demons was not integral to the doctrines of Judaism

[02:36:26] It nonetheless was widespread among the Jews of post biblical times

[02:36:31] Yet on account of their rationalistic conditioning and a higher level of literacy in the mass

[02:36:38] It manifested itself among them to a lesser degree than among other people

[02:36:44] So that makes sense. Okay, so they still had their legends, but they recognize them as such

[02:36:50] More than other cultures did sure. Okay during their long Babylonian sojourn as was sojourn, huh?

[02:36:58] Yeah, they're sojourn. That's cute, right? I like that as was to be expected

[02:37:03] Jews fell under chaldean and Persian cultural influences which we've discussed that at length actually and that's where we are

[02:37:11] Right now. So this was very relevant. Yeah. Yeah

[02:37:15] Their dualistic angel demon conception was directly borrowed from zero astrianism. Wow, right?

[02:37:22] That's really cool. Keep popping up. Yeah. I knew you'd enjoy that

[02:37:27] The conflict of opposites became a fundamental part of cabalistic doctrine

[02:37:33] God was pitted against satan good against evil. That's capital g good capital e evil

[02:37:39] The pure against the impure the angels against the demons

[02:37:44] Just think of how much this this type of thinking

[02:37:47] Influences what Christianity is today in the United States. Yes, like this is kind of what Christianity

[02:37:54] evangelical Christianity embodies in the United States now and our laws are being changed to be based upon this

[02:38:03] childhood nonsense right this childish

[02:38:07] Thousands of year old stories and fables that's not even really like it's it's something that's based on a different

[02:38:14] Like yeah, we're pulling these ideas from different religions. No one really knows that but like, you know

[02:38:20] These are not new ideas. These are not like new ways of thinking about God

[02:38:24] They're old they're ancient. They're archaic

[02:38:27] Like I just want to walk up to somebody like marjorie taylor green and be like you're so full of shit

[02:38:33] You chau-dain

[02:38:36] Like honestly like you a sheriff whole dancer

[02:38:40] right

[02:38:42] The early christians being themselves jews

[02:38:46] Naturally carried over jewish demonology into their religion

[02:38:50] Wow, how about that? Yeah. We just say it how it is. Yeah, we're we're just gonna put it right out there

[02:38:56] Yeah, okay skipping ahead blah blah blah in medieval times the jewish conception of demons

[02:39:03] Differed in some respects from that held by christians

[02:39:06] I can imagine not all denizens of the spirit world were regarded as being necessarily

[02:39:13] Evil, okay, like all right. Some of them were just like other creatures

[02:39:17] Well, I mean the the concept of God was a lot different back into those times too

[02:39:22] There was there wasn't necessarily for a lot of people just one god right and that that idea of a monotheistic god

[02:39:29] solidified more during the uh, the Babylonian exile than it did at any other time in the Jewish history. So exactly

[02:39:36] Some were even considered to be benevolent and helpful to the pious and the deserving in time of need

[02:39:42] Okay, and we will read a story that kind of has one of those people in specifically lilyth is kind of got

[02:39:49] Different aspects to her. Right? Like there's good stories. There's bad stories. There's you know, there's a lot of people that

[02:39:58] She represents strength too. Yeah, you know, so I mean like there's there's good and bad

[02:40:02] But then of course she's also a child eating blood sucking vampire succubus, right?

[02:40:07] But I feel like that's how an evangelical white male would describe women today. Yeah

[02:40:12] Exactly

[02:40:13] It's so true

[02:40:14] You're back talking bitch get in your place. Yeah, exactly

[02:40:19] The medieval jews believed that demons resembled angels in three ways

[02:40:24] They had wings they could fly from one end of the world to the other and they could foretell future events

[02:40:30] The demons also resembled human beings in three ways. They had to eat and drink

[02:40:36] They procreated like them. They also died like them

[02:40:40] So they were like the in-betweens got it and then therefore you this would allow you to call other people demons

[02:40:47] Yeah, you know whatever exactly hence the the witch trials and shit like that. Yes, yes

[02:40:53] They subsisted on the natural elements water fire wind and moisture

[02:40:59] Which I'm like what's the difference between water and moisture?

[02:41:02] Uh, I mean I'm as like do you mean fog say fog or dew like there's a difference between a body of water and dew

[02:41:10] Right. It's just why right. It's all the same fucking thing, but they weren't it's water. Okay again. They didn't have scientific

[02:41:17] methods to

[02:41:19] decide

[02:41:20] Why is this this and that's that? You know, right? So it just it was two different things to them

[02:41:25] Right. It's just silly. Yeah. Well, yeah

[02:41:27] The only possible cause of death among them was when they got dry

[02:41:32] Dry, huh? Yeah in the hour of mating they acquired bodies like humans, but lost them immediately thereafter

[02:41:40] Okay. Okay. So that's demons in general. Sure. Let's talk about lily. Okay

[02:41:47] All these characteristics belong to lily later the wife of samael angel of death

[02:41:54] She is the subject of distinctive

[02:41:56] Portraiture in jewish myth and legend. She had an interesting origin and equally as interesting

[02:42:03] Was the persistence with which her fearful image plagued the superstitious spoke through the centuries

[02:42:10] In ancient asyria, there are three female demons called lilet lilu and ar dot lilet interesting

[02:42:18] The first jewish reference to lilet is found in isaac chapter 34 verse 14

[02:42:25] Yay, the night monster lilet shall repose there and shall find her a place of rest

[02:42:31] I'm pretty sure that was the moment when we were like and we're doing a patreon episode about lilet

[02:42:37] Right

[02:42:38] Which i do think you're right. I do think we eventually released that as it was just too important

[02:42:42] Of an like it was you know, I mean, yeah, there's too much good detail in it. Right. Yeah. Yeah

[02:42:48] In the midrash, which you know is the um post supplemental

[02:42:52] Text before the jewish

[02:42:54] You know, whatever

[02:42:56] Jewish writings about the Torah that are still well, maybe not still but like yeah, we're on wine for years at least

[02:43:02] they're still um

[02:43:04] hashed over and talked about and um

[02:43:07] Added to in other versions and yeah

[02:43:11] They're they're just important things that we reference how different people thought about things at different times

[02:43:17] I like the idea of that though. Like I do have to say it like the idea that the jewish faith has a

[02:43:24] um a book

[02:43:27] Of their religion that is continually growing. Yeah is

[02:43:32] um

[02:43:34] What I want to say it's admirable. Yeah, because they're back and forthing. What do you think this meant?

[02:43:38] I don't know. What if it meant that yeah, but no because that's not

[02:43:43] You know, if you look on page such and such, oh, I hadn't thought of that. Okay, but what about this?

[02:43:47] Like that's really cool. Right and with christianity. There's literally no growth. No, there's there's no growth

[02:43:53] in fact these conversations happen, but not in one unified voice

[02:44:00] Which is why there are only a hundred billion trillion different sex of christianity

[02:44:05] Well, and that's the the only thing that happens in christianity is the interpretations change

[02:44:09] Right, you know, that's the only thing that changes. It's not that's why we have a whole bunch of different types of christianity

[02:44:16] right there's not really a lot of scholarly endeavors to

[02:44:19] To um push forward right what christianity is

[02:44:24] As with regard to the actual um texts, you know, you're not supposed to ask

[02:44:29] What do you think this meant? Right and that's basically what all those writings are

[02:44:34] That's what they all come down to and who's to say we don't have something valuable to add today

[02:44:38] Just as much as they had something valuable to add back then exactly, you know

[02:44:41] So I it doesn't make any sense to me, right? But we've decided that this is that's it. That's it. That's the end

[02:44:47] We don't grow anymore. Nope. No growing. Yep, which i'm like, yeah that tracks

[02:44:52] Boomers and older they don't want to grow. They don't want to learn

[02:44:55] They don't want to they're always like these kids and the damn music and i'm like no actually

[02:45:00] As a gen X. I love gen X music. I also love today's music

[02:45:06] I also love music from the 50s and 60s, you know, I

[02:45:11] Love music from all different ages because i'm not afraid to grow right right

[02:45:17] So I don't know if you're a boomer listening to this

[02:45:20] And you complain about music today. You aren't just not listening to the right music, right?

[02:45:25] There's good music put it put out there

[02:45:27] Yeah, I think that most anything that you if you want to continue continue to grow as a human being

[02:45:33] You have to be curious and open to new ideas

[02:45:36] Always yeah, and I think we we've had many talks about this to where

[02:45:40] We want to like we've even told our kid. Yes, please, you know smack us if we're stupid and and stop growing

[02:45:47] Yeah, like if we don't want to if we are ever like you just don't understand what it's like to be old

[02:45:53] And not know things. Oh, we're like, please just go ahead and either like if we can't be moved to

[02:46:00] Understand what we're doing just push us into a ditch

[02:46:03] It's it's one thing to offer your wisdom which I will grant people who are older have wisdom. No, they have more experiences

[02:46:11] Which may lead to right? They can okay. They can maybe have more wisdom

[02:46:16] Okay

[02:46:17] But it doesn't mean you're always just because your order does not make you right just

[02:46:23] Across the board just because you've had more life experiences doesn't mean that you've interpreted them correctly and have something to offer

[02:46:29] Right. Yeah, I mean, I think that shows in the the amount of new ideas that have sprung forward as

[02:46:35] Correct with regard to treating humans correctly

[02:46:38] Since we were in our 20s. Yeah, you know like we're talking about a 20 to 25 year span of time where

[02:46:46] You know

[02:46:47] The entire idea of what it means to

[02:46:50] Accept humans has changed right

[02:46:53] and

[02:46:54] Our language has changed how we

[02:46:56] Talk about things how we even in our own home

[02:47:00] Like you might speak differently with your partner, you know in the secret of your house. You might reveal

[02:47:08] That you you speak one way outside your house to be socially correct, but then come inside your house and

[02:47:15] You're like, but honestly, I don't feel that way

[02:47:18] No, even in our own house

[02:47:20] We check each other right we still

[02:47:24] you know

[02:47:25] Just how we think has evolved how we speak has evolved. Yeah, we take it very seriously as far as how

[02:47:31] We um

[02:47:33] We want to be correct and we want to not not correct. We want to be

[02:47:37] accepting of people for who they are

[02:47:39] And to us that is one of the most important aspects

[02:47:43] Of being a human is that

[02:47:46] We treat people equitably and with without judgment, right?

[02:47:51] You know being old gives you the excuse that you might not always remember and you might fuck it up

[02:47:57] Being old doesn't excuse your rudeness and your

[02:48:01] unwillingness to even try right as long as you apologize for the mistakes you made

[02:48:06] And we have we have people like that in our lives

[02:48:08] We have some boomers in our lives and but they try they they get it wrong

[02:48:12] Like probably 80 of the time if we're being honest, but they try they try and they feel bad

[02:48:18] And they they mean well and there's a forgivability factor with somebody who

[02:48:24] Shows that they give a shit. Yeah, it's about making me effort, right? Yeah

[02:48:27] Yeah

[02:48:28] If you are a boomer and you find that you no longer make an effort go ahead and you know

[02:48:33] Will yourself ride on over to a ditch maybe I don't know

[02:48:36] Whatever i'm just saying there's good music out there and you're missing it right. Yeah, that's true

[02:48:40] That is true

[02:48:41] All right, so in the midrash and other post biblical writings. Lilith is also described as a demon of the night

[02:48:49] Okay, rashi the imaginative medieval exegetive worms

[02:48:54] Said that Lilith bore the human shape of a woman yet had the wings of an angel

[02:49:00] She is usually described in legend as an irresistibly seductive woman with long hair because you know

[02:49:08] Seductive beautiful women always have long hair if they have short hair. They're not attractive

[02:49:15] men like long hair

[02:49:17] Like the greek siren seercy. She seduces unwary men and then savagely kills the children she bears for them

[02:49:26] Oh my gosh

[02:49:27] Yeah

[02:49:28] This personification of Lilith as a demon of vengeance against the children of men finds a most curious explanation in midrash literature

[02:49:37] Okay, here we go. Okay. This is what we got into

[02:49:40] When god created adam the first man felt very lonely in the newly fashioned world

[02:49:46] So god and his loving kindness created lilith from adama the same dust from which adam had been molded

[02:49:54] That's where adam took his name. Yeah, and whose name he bore

[02:49:58] But before long they quarreled why they quarrel babe because they were equal

[02:50:02] And what did adam think about that? He did not like that

[02:50:07] Yeah, you know apparently god likes men more. Yeah, so imagine why why do you think that is?

[02:50:12] Um because he's a dick and because god was created by man

[02:50:17] Well, yeah, yeah

[02:50:19] For adam the proverbial domineering male wished to rule over lilith

[02:50:26] I mean, let's put it right

[02:50:27] The story really is that he wanted her to submit and she wanted to ride cowboy. Yeah, you know

[02:50:33] And he was like that's unseemly and she was like, but I like a good fuck

[02:50:38] Right, and he was like we don't fuck we make love and she's like

[02:50:42] That's what you say. I found my g-spot babe

[02:50:48] The midrash legend has him laying down the law for her and her sex

[02:50:53] I am your lord and master and it is your duty to obey me now. Bring me a beer, bitch

[02:50:57] Oh my god, but lilith a militant feminist

[02:51:01] Militant feminist haven't heard that in a while, right? Yeah

[02:51:05] Was equally proud and willful. She retorted. We are both equal for we are both issued from dust

[02:51:12] Adama

[02:51:13] Therefore I will not be submissive to you. I'm not gonna suck that dick. Thank you

[02:51:19] Yeah, right. Yeah, she then pronounced the ineffable name of god and flew away

[02:51:24] Damn the ineffable name, right? Yeah, yeah

[02:51:26] Anybody who has seen good omens knows what?

[02:51:31] Ineffable name of god or the ineffable plan of god if you haven't seen good omens

[02:51:36] You should look it up and go watch it right now. Mm-hmm because it's fantastic. It is so good

[02:51:41] I mean to be fair, it's got oh shit. What's that actor? David tenet. Yeah, David tenet in it

[02:51:47] How could it not? Yeah, you know, yeah, it's so good

[02:51:50] You know to be fair, it's based on great material

[02:51:53] Um the book of the same name by neil gayman. Yeah, yeah read it. It's great

[02:51:58] I'm you know what? I say that not everybody loved it, but they should sure

[02:52:02] Sure, just so you know, it's one of our family favorites. Yep. Yep

[02:52:06] She then pronounced the ineffable name of god and flew away

[02:52:09] No sooner had she left him when adam felt lonely again, but who's gonna suck my dick

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