Ezekiel Chapter 12: Bible Study by Atheists

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[00:01:47] Do you remember what happened yesterday and where the hell we are today?

[00:01:54] Well yesterday we read Ezekiel chapter 11 sure as fuck dead and in that chapter

[00:02:00] I think it was God or Ezekiel was talking about all the meat on the ground which was dead humans

[00:02:06] Apparently I think or something or it was humans that were gonna be dead

[00:02:09] I'm not really sure what that was all about. We're a pot

[00:02:12] They're gonna be dead

[00:02:14] I'm not really sure what that was all about we're a pot there

[00:02:17] They're a pot and the meats cooking inside and that that's what was happening. Yeah, I'm pot of me

[00:02:22] And it wasn't good

[00:02:22] He's gonna judge them drive them out of the the city and then and abandoned them and

[00:02:29] Lots of people but then you know what you know what what he's gonna redeem some of them

[00:02:33] But only he's gonna be nice to a few of them

[00:02:35] But only like one or two and certainly not one guy that like fell over dead in the middle, right?

[00:02:40] Yeah, yeah, there was one guy that just died right in front of right in front of Ezekiel in the middle of his vision

[00:02:47] Vision his vision was a vision where somebody died somebody died in the vision while he was delivering and we believe visions because

[00:02:54] You know, I actually don't have an answer for that one

[00:03:01] Right yeah, so anyway that was Ezekiel chapter 11. Yes, which means that today we're getting into

[00:03:08] Ezekiel chapter 12. All right and before we get into this episode

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[00:03:49] So that being said that was Ezekiel chapter 11 and let's go ahead and get on into Ezekiel chapter 12. Okie dokie

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[00:05:42] All right, let's get into easy kyle chapter 12

[00:05:47] The word of the lord came to me

[00:05:50] Son of man which mirror human. We know me you're a mirror human. Yes, son of a bitch, right?

[00:05:56] You are living among a rebellious people

[00:06:00] Member member remember they've covered this uh a lot multiple times. Yeah

[00:06:05] They have eyes to see but do not see

[00:06:09] And ears to hear but do not hear that's right. All right, all right, dr. Seuss for they are a

[00:06:16] Rebellious people. Okay. Yeah, right therefore son of man mirror human be a worm. Yes, son of a bitch

[00:06:25] Pack your belongings for exile and in the daytime as they watch

[00:06:29] Set out and go from where you are to another place

[00:06:33] But lisi's giving them time to pack their bags. That's nice. I guess no just azekiel. Oh just azekiel

[00:06:37] Yeah, he's telling azekiel's gonna do another play act

[00:06:40] But isn't azekiel already in babel on yeah, so why does he got to pack his bags?

[00:06:46] Because I don't know right. I haven't read this yet. Okay. All right, but he's saying

[00:06:52] These guys think they're going back home and they're not and these guys think that

[00:06:58] Um

[00:06:59] Everything's gonna be fine and it isn't I I feel like that was god talking to the israelite sort of well

[00:07:05] He's talking to azekiel, right?

[00:07:08] But he might like usually when god's talking to azekiel

[00:07:11] He's telling him something that he should say to the people of israel or whatever

[00:07:15] Or to people that would hear. Okay, but i'm telling you

[00:07:19] That he is telling azekiel go pack a bag and you're going to do some play acting for me

[00:07:25] Oh, oh, he's packing a bag to go. Okay. Okay. That's what i'm trying to tell you. I'm sorry. I was misunderstanding. I apologize

[00:07:31] I apologize. Good. You were right. I was wrong as well. You should be yeah

[00:07:35] Okay, so he says you know as they watch set out and go from where you are to another place

[00:07:42] Perhaps they will understand though. They are a rebellious people

[00:07:47] Yeah, as as we well know those words

[00:07:50] Yeah, during the daytime continues god while they watch bring out your belongings packed for exile

[00:07:58] Then in the evening while they are watching go out like those who go into exile

[00:08:04] While they watch he's going to enact a play of

[00:08:08] Going into exile

[00:08:10] That is so fucking weird

[00:08:12] Like this is what you guys are gonna have to do you're gonna have to pack a bag and walk out of the city

[00:08:18] That's crazy. Just watch

[00:08:21] Well, and i'm wondering maybe did this chapter come before the others and they're not in Babylon yet?

[00:08:26] That seems weird. I don't know that seems weird. Yeah, I don't I don't that doesn't sound that sounds like then again

[00:08:30] The bible loves stuff out of order. So right so just never know if that is still a question by the end

[00:08:36] We will have that as covered on the q&a on saturday

[00:08:41] While they watch dig through the wall

[00:08:44] And take your belongings out through it

[00:08:47] Put them on your shoulder as they are watching and carry them out at dusk

[00:08:52] Cover your face so that you cannot see the land for I have made you a sign to the israelites

[00:08:59] Um, what because they're not going to be able to see

[00:09:02] You know, okay

[00:09:03] So why won't they be able to see I don't know. I'm not there yet. Okay. I don't know

[00:09:08] I'm I'm I mean he did say that they have eyes, but they can't see right

[00:09:12] But I'm not sure what it is. They can't see and if you are walking you probably

[00:09:16] Maybe they'll be walking at night or maybe they'll be walking through god's cloud

[00:09:20] Yeah, I don't know. Okay

[00:09:22] So I azekiel did as I was commanded during the day

[00:09:26] I brought out my things packed for exile then in the evening. I dug through the wall with my hands

[00:09:31] I took my belongings out of dusk carrying them on my shoulders while they watched

[00:09:35] In the morning the word of the lord came to me

[00:09:39] Son of man

[00:09:40] Did not the israelites that?

[00:09:43] Rebellious people ask you. What are you doing? I mean, I'm sure I would I'm sure they did you're digging through our fucking wall

[00:09:49] There's probably a guy that has to repair that fucking wall

[00:09:52] And he's like, uh, dude, what are you?

[00:09:54] What are you doing? I'll be honest if one of my neighbors was acting like that

[00:09:57] I probably would just stay in my house and watch through the window and like record with my phone

[00:10:02] And be like yeah, but they didn't have phones to record back. I know i'm just saying like

[00:10:05] You're like, I would have blah blah blah and i'm like no even today

[00:10:08] I would I would not do that because I I don't want to talk to people

[00:10:14] So I would just be like babe babe get a little of our neighbor

[00:10:17] Yeah, babe babe. Look look he's digging in the wall. Look. Oh my god. What's he doing?

[00:10:21] But I don't I don't feel like they had as much entertainment back then so like this would have been high entertainment

[00:10:25] This was their netflix. Yeah, right or they're you too. So they'd have been there like what what's going on

[00:10:29] What are you doing? What are you doing man? Hey? Hey?

[00:10:32] Zeke Zeke, what are you doing? What are you up to man? Why are you digging through the wall? Easy k?

[00:10:36] What's up man? What's happening?

[00:10:39] All right, say to them says god. Yeah in answer to this right

[00:10:43] This is what the sovereign lord says this prophecy concerns the prince in jerusalem

[00:10:49] Which we covered in that was kings eddakaya right? Yeah, yeah, and all the israelites who are there

[00:10:56] Say to them. I am assigned to you

[00:11:00] As I have done so it will be done to them. They will go into exile as captives

[00:11:06] Okay, okay. So is this again out of order right? Yeah, I don't get it

[00:11:11] Or are they gonna get exiled from babel on I mean technically in jerusalem still in vision land

[00:11:17] Well, I mean that he was in the first exile right like he was in the second

[00:11:22] Well, he was in the second wave

[00:11:24] I thought he was in the first because it was like 590 something. He was in the second wave

[00:11:30] Okay

[00:11:31] I

[00:11:32] But I thought like we start okay. Well, I want to I want to revisit that because yeah, that's fine

[00:11:37] I think that it was said at some point. It was like the 590s that he was I have no idea what the years were

[00:11:43] I just know that he was in the second wave in babelon

[00:11:47] Okay

[00:11:48] I

[00:11:50] Okay, all right

[00:11:51] So, okay. I'm gonna continue on and we'll we'll circle back around to that

[00:11:56] Okay, okay. So the prince the king

[00:11:59] Among them will put his things on his shoulder at dusk and leave

[00:12:03] And a hole will be dug in the wall for him to go through

[00:12:07] He will cover his face so that he cannot see the land

[00:12:11] I will spread my net for him and he will be caught in my snare

[00:12:16] I will bring him to babelonia the land of the chaldeans

[00:12:20] But he will not see it and there he will die. Womp womp. Oh

[00:12:24] Yeah, they're gonna die. They're gonna die. Oh, okay. Okay. I thought they were just gonna be exiled

[00:12:28] Nope, they're gonna exile to death. Okay. I will scatter to the winds all those around him

[00:12:34] His staff and all his troops and I will pursue them with drawn sword

[00:12:40] They will know that I'm the lord. Oh, he's specifically he's specifically talking about kings at a kaya or the prince

[00:12:46] Whatever because he doesn't actually know. Yeah who it's gonna be. Yeah, apparently. Yeah, so okay. Yep

[00:12:52] So they will know that I'm the lord. La la la. Yeah, I'm the lord

[00:12:56] Yeah

[00:12:57] When I disperse them among the nations and scatter them through the countries

[00:13:01] But I will spare a few of them from the sword feminine plague

[00:13:04] So that in the nations where they go, they may acknowledge all their detestable practices

[00:13:10] Then they will know that I am lord

[00:13:15] The word of the lord came to me me as E. Giel. Yeah, okay

[00:13:19] Son of man

[00:13:20] You worm right you mere human. Yes, son of a bitch. Yeah

[00:13:24] Trimble as you eat your food and shudder in fear as you drink your water

[00:13:30] Be afraid never not be afraid

[00:13:33] Say to the people of the land

[00:13:36] This is what the sovereign lord says about those living in jerusalem and in the land of israel

[00:13:43] Oh, so he is talking to the people living in

[00:13:46] Jerusalem in israel, right?

[00:13:48] This is so weird. That's what I was saying

[00:13:51] So, um, I did I did some research because he was as Echio was exiled to Babylon in 597

[00:13:56] Okay, which is prior to the actual main exile

[00:14:00] So the first one was just a scoop

[00:14:03] right, so that's that's when Ezekiel was

[00:14:06] actually exiled to

[00:14:08] Babylon I protest he was in that you're the one that told us this

[00:14:13] Okay, well, we all know my memory sucks, but I I would swear on holy bible

[00:14:21] That he was in the second exile

[00:14:23] No, he was in the first and that so that's that's where that's why I was really confused earlier because I'm like

[00:14:30] You not what okay? Well, maybe I'm in an alternate universe because I'm telling you all right

[00:14:35] I thought it was the second one, but whatever be that as it may. I'm still confused

[00:14:39] Okay

[00:14:39] They will eat their food and anxiety and drink their water and despair for their land will be stripped of everything in it

[00:14:46] Because of the violence of all who live there the inhabited towns will be laid waste

[00:14:52] And the land will be desolate then you will know that that he's an asshole

[00:14:57] I'm the lord

[00:15:01] We pick me pick me. He's like the quintessential pick me dude. Yeah. Yeah the word

[00:15:08] Of the lord came to me

[00:15:10] Okay, yeah again some more ready. Okay. I'm ready

[00:15:14] Son of man yamir human

[00:15:17] What is this proverb you have in the land of israel?

[00:15:21] The days go by and every vision comes to nothing

[00:15:26] Is that that's a proverb that was a proverb. Okay. I mean I I can see where they would have it though because we've talked

[00:15:33] A multitude of times about all the other prophets right that are running around

[00:15:38] Giving their quote-unquote false prophets, right? Here's here's my interpret. Here's my interpretation of that proverb

[00:15:45] God talks a lot of shit and he never follows through on anything

[00:15:50] Womp womp sigh and let's be honest. He gives really shitty

[00:15:53] He he if we are to believe the god of the bible

[00:15:58] Is is real right in cannon, right?

[00:16:00] Then he picks some really shitty messengers

[00:16:04] Like some dude that sounds like he's on a fucking acid trip another guy that's wandering around the desert naked naked

[00:16:10] And then another guy that is a fucking double agent for babel on. Yeah

[00:16:13] You know like I mean I just they're literally so far we have we're like over three on good prophets. It's true

[00:16:19] So I'm just not real impressed with who he picks

[00:16:23] So he says to ezekiel say to them

[00:16:28] This is what the sovereign lord says. I am gonna put an end to this proverb and they will no longer quote it in israel

[00:16:35] Oh, man, except they wrote it in the bible and so it's still read in

[00:16:40] Synagogues everywhere across the country. Yes across the world right say to them the days are near when every vision will be fulfilled

[00:16:49] But there will be no more false visions are flattering

[00:16:54] divinations

[00:16:56] Among the people of israel

[00:16:58] Um divinations was their use of tools. Yeah, like throwing the bones or

[00:17:05] Um, which is funny because that was actually done by people who were um godly. Yeah

[00:17:10] Thumb in the right dumb in those practices were incorporated into heat practices earlier on in the bible

[00:17:16] Exactly. Yeah, I can't remember it was part of the their chest wear

[00:17:21] Like they wore those little baggy things on their chest wear and it was the thumman and the

[00:17:27] I don't remember exactly what it's called right. Yeah, but yeah

[00:17:30] It's just funny to me that like even in the bible itself

[00:17:34] The the practices and the image of what god actually is

[00:17:40] has evolved to the point where it's not entirely recognizable by the the

[00:17:45] What what god was at the beginning of the bible, right?

[00:17:47] Like if moses came to these people

[00:17:50] He'd be like i don't know let's throw the bones and they would be like gasp and they would like

[00:17:55] Putch their little fucking pearl pomegranate seeds. Yeah. Yeah, and he'd be like what what I say. Yeah

[00:18:03] But I the lord will speak what I will and it shall be fulfilled without delay

[00:18:09] I mean

[00:18:11] Lots of delay, but okay. Yeah for in your days

[00:18:14] You're rebellious people. I will fulfill whatever I say declares a sovereign lord

[00:18:20] I mean, okay just because you say you're gonna and just because you're like no, I am though doesn't like

[00:18:27] I'm sorry

[00:18:28] Actions speak louder than words bro, but they're like that the argument though is that

[00:18:33] That god actually did make it happen, right because he's prophesizing the fall of babelon in like the 590s

[00:18:40] Which is prior to the fall of babelon

[00:18:42] So and and we've talked about this with uh with uh, jeremiah

[00:18:46] But you know, it was easy to prognosticate what was coming because

[00:18:51] All you had to do was pay attention to the politics. He was already part of the fucking first exile

[00:18:56] So like he was in babelon

[00:18:59] Like probably hearing them plan for this next fucking invasion or whatever

[00:19:03] Or you know seeing the troops move or what at whatever, you know, like it

[00:19:07] It's not that hard to see it coming down the pike

[00:19:10] Well, jeremiah was a double agent and you cannot convince me otherwise. I I agree. I agree

[00:19:14] But like I'm just saying that these are not

[00:19:19] Even at the best case scenario these are prophecies based on information on the ground

[00:19:25] Not not from a god not from anything

[00:19:28] Otherworldly it is purely

[00:19:30] Based on information from the from what they hear and see

[00:19:34] I mean, it's kind of like I use this example every week

[00:19:37] I feel like I say it's kind of like if me and you say yeah, trump's probably gonna win

[00:19:42] It's not because like if trump does win the presidency in the u.s

[00:19:46] It's not because you know, we foresaw and we're magical

[00:19:50] No, we watch the news and we live in ohio and you know, we can see which way the fucking winds are blowing and right

[00:19:58] Yeah

[00:19:59] All you got to do is just pay attention on what's happening and

[00:20:02] Make a good guess it's 50 50 right right

[00:20:06] All right, so the word of the lord came to me

[00:20:09] Ezekiel, okay

[00:20:10] Son of man the israelites are saying the vision he sees is for many years from now

[00:20:16] And he prophecies about the distant future. So you know like don't worry about it

[00:20:21] Yeah, ever therefore say to them i'm gonna stump that shit out right now says god

[00:20:27] Okay, say to them. This is what the sovereign lord says

[00:20:31] None of my words will be delayed any longer. Whatever I say will be fulfilled

[00:20:36] Declare the sovereign lord the end got it. Okay. Yeah, he's like no no

[00:20:41] I let this shit go too long

[00:20:43] He's getting he's getting impatient. He's getting up at each which I mean again based on the time frame

[00:20:47] He does fulfill it according to you know everything that does actually happen with regard to the babelone

[00:20:53] Babylonian armies invading Jerusalem and all that it's not that far in the future right it's pretty soon

[00:20:59] so I mean

[00:21:00] That's that's why people would consider this a prophecy of sorts. I guess I guess but

[00:21:06] Again, I'm not impressed. Yeah, it's not something that is hard to prophesize and I just don't

[00:21:13] I don't understand

[00:21:15] Why we're supposed to be impressed by this guy, right? He had drug-addled dreams and

[00:21:20] He prophesized things that were right there in front of his face that anybody could have probably seen

[00:21:25] And he can't tell the difference between a cherub and an ox

[00:21:31] I'm sorry, but no you lose. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

[00:21:35] Um

[00:21:36] All right. Do we got anything else for us before we get out of here today? No, that's all

[00:21:40] All right. Well, that was isekiel chapter 12 sure as fuck was which means that we will be back tomorrow with

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