Jeremiah Chapter 36: Atheist Bible Study

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[00:01:50] Husband! Wife! Did you have a good weekend? I mean sure yeah what it was

[00:01:55] there's something special that happened this weekend or what uh... I mean it was easter I guess.

[00:01:59] Oh yeah yeah that holiday. We had some good food. We did yeah so that was nice

[00:02:07] and then we had kids that we were around that were nephews and nieces and stuff

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[00:02:18] food and family. Well do you remember what happened in what we're reading on Friday

[00:02:25] and where the hell we are today? Well we just got done reading uh see Jeremiah chapter 35

[00:02:31] that is correct. And in that chapter uh see I think God wanted Jeremiah to serve

[00:02:38] the Resha Bites alcohol and then God used them as an example of how well they

[00:02:44] held to their faith and their ideas and their whatever the principles. Yeah and they was like if

[00:02:51] you guys don't change your ways I'm gonna you know kill you. Right like he's been saying the whole

[00:02:56] fucking book. Right I just I'm like so these guys didn't drink and you're using that as an

[00:03:03] example as to why you're going to kill people. Right okay whatever man you know. Cool. So anyway

[00:03:11] that was Jeremiah chapter 35. Sure as fuck was. Which means that today we're giving them to.

[00:03:16] Jeremiah chapter 36. All right let's do this. Okie dokie

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[00:04:42] Okay, hopping into Jeremiah chapter 36. Okay. And as we've mentioned before this chapter is out of

[00:04:51] order. Right. This one and the previous one out of order within the book of Jeremiah. Okay.

[00:04:57] And this chapter itself is numbered as chapter 43 in the Septuagint. Okay.

[00:05:05] Which is the Greek one got it and we went over that on Friday no Saturday or Q&A Saturday

[00:05:12] right as to why should be gray. Yeah kind of you you talk more about the books but I mean

[00:05:20] you just said that essentially they don't match up because they don't match up. Right and

[00:05:27] there are different people were making different copies and the sources were different

[00:05:33] and the idioms didn't always translate and they just staple things together in different orders.

[00:05:38] Got it got it okay yeah okay so let's get started on this are you ready? I'm ready.

[00:05:45] Now it came to pass in the fourth year of Huakim the son of Josiah King of Judah that this word came

[00:05:54] to Jeremiah from the Lord. This word saying yeah okay so this is God talking. Take a scroll of a book

[00:06:03] and write on it all the words that I've spoken to you against Israel against Judah and against

[00:06:08] all the nations from the day I spoke to you from the days of Josiah even to this day.

[00:06:15] That's this is the second time that they've mentioned that God told Jeremiah to write the sit down yeah

[00:06:21] yeah so it's funny because you know Jeremiah or his scribe or whatever or or hypothetically writing

[00:06:28] this book right yeah and they seem very mentionitis that God told them to do it totally told me to

[00:06:33] write it right yeah like out of the blue they're just like oh by the way yeah yeah no he told me

[00:06:39] I just wanted to let you know yeah nobody asked yeah okay this is God's doing right here yeah yeah

[00:06:45] this is God's word because God told me to do it uh huh sure it is guy it may be that the house of

[00:06:53] Judah this is still God talking yeah well hear all of the adversities which I purpose to bring upon them

[00:06:59] that everyone may turn from his evil way that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin so this is

[00:07:05] writing it down well this was back when there was still opportunity for the people to change their ways

[00:07:12] sure so he's like yes write it down so that you can like read it out loud to them over and over

[00:07:18] and over again and so the other people can have copies to read it over and over and over so that maybe

[00:07:24] they will change their ways because the shit that I have told you is that Babylon going get ya got it

[00:07:30] cuz y'all ain't act him right do you have I just uh backup just a step you said this is during

[00:07:35] the reign of Joaquin um do you Joaquin sorry um do you know what time frame this is or

[00:07:42] um because I get lost as to which king was winning how and right um hold on a sec let me

[00:07:50] cuz I thought I had some of that shit in my uh and I only asked because Jeremiah goes back and forth

[00:07:56] and back and all the time with regard to time frames and who's in charge and yeah all that shit so

[00:08:03] well okay so Josiah died in 609 BCE okay and so some of this probably took place around 604 maybe

[00:08:13] question mark okay yeah so this is still kind of a little bit earlier on before it was like really

[00:08:20] really shit hitting the fan yes okay all right okay so yeah there was still lots of time for them

[00:08:26] to not act like fucks lots of time meaning like a decade decade and a half right but they did it though

[00:08:32] then Jeremiah called Baruch the son of Nariah and he was like bitch write this down right yeah

[00:08:39] and Baruch's like didn't God tell you and Jeremiah's like shut up and do what I say

[00:08:45] and Baruch like and Baruch wrote on wrote on a scroll of a book at the instruction of Jeremiah all

[00:08:53] the words of the Lord which he had spoken to him okay that's a lot of fucking words yeah

[00:08:59] I think it's hilarious but I mean they're essentially they're the ones telling the story uh huh

[00:09:05] and they're like and Baruch did this thing that he's doing right now yeah yeah Baruch's like

[00:09:13] Baruch's like and Jeremiah told me to write this down and Jeremiah is like no talk about yourself

[00:09:17] in the third person right and Jeremiah's or Baruch is like oh okay yeah apparently that happens

[00:09:26] somewhat frequently in the new testament with some of those apostolic guys is it more like

[00:09:31] is it supposed to be more authoritative when you talk about yourself in the third person oh I don't

[00:09:34] know okay I honestly yeah yeah no I just you know and Jeremiah commanded Baruch saying I am combined

[00:09:43] I cannot go into the house of the Lord because he's like in prison or some shit okay so you go

[00:09:50] therefore and read from the scroll which you have written at my instruction the words of the Lord

[00:09:55] in the hearing of the people in the Lord's house on the day of fasting wait they've imprisoned

[00:10:00] you yeah for saying the shit that you say yeah you want me to write this shit down and then go

[00:10:06] say it in front of those same people so what I can get in prison yes exactly I'm glad you understand

[00:10:11] me this is that's bullshit no Baruch do what I tell you okay just go I just go I think that's rude no

[00:10:22] okay just do you want to be my equal do you want to be a prophet guy someday I don't know I mean

[00:10:30] whoa it doesn't sound like you do no Baruch yeah I'm gonna tell your dad yeah okay so let me go

[00:10:39] over to my notes a bit okay with regard to Jeremiah commanding Baruch saying he's confined Jeremiah

[00:10:47] may have been hindered through fear of Joaquim because he was not actually in prison he was just confined

[00:10:55] so he was kind of free to go within the temple yeah which is where this is taking place okay okay so

[00:11:02] he may have just been scared or perhaps due to ceremonial and uncleanness like it might have

[00:11:09] been a bad day he might have like ejaculated it for maybe or I don't know for his undies yeah right

[00:11:15] or he may have been forbidden by the princes to enter got it so for whatever reason he was I

[00:11:22] think that he was just like yeah Baruch you do it you go do it got it I I'm not gonna go you go

[00:11:31] that's what it sounds like to me got it okay so then also when I said now um it was the oh no

[00:11:41] I didn't say that yet nothing sorry okay so he's like Baruch go read this shit okay and do it in

[00:11:49] the hearing of the people in the Lord's house on the day of fasting okay I'm gonna say some more

[00:11:55] about that in a minute and you shall also read them in the hearing of all Judah who come from their

[00:12:01] cities it may be that they will present their supplication before the Lord and everyone will turn

[00:12:07] from his evil ways for great is the anger and the fury that the Lord has pronounced again hit

[00:12:14] against his people if they don't change their way yeah yeah God is pissed go read this right okay they

[00:12:20] totally won't get mad at you right yeah yeah and Baruch the son of Nariah did according to all that

[00:12:27] Jeremiah the prophet commanded him reading from the book the words of the Lord in the Lord's house

[00:12:34] now it came to pass in the fifth year of walkim the son of Josiah king of Judah in the ninth month

[00:12:42] that they proclaimed a fast before the Lord to all the people in Jerusalem and to all the people who

[00:12:49] came from the cities of Judah to Jerusalem okay so that's what I wanted to say a few things about okay

[00:12:56] first of all notice that it was the people who proclaimed the fast not the king okay so what are

[00:13:03] they fasting about why was there just a random fast declared right the fast was related to the fall

[00:13:10] of Ashklon on the Philistine territory by the Babylonian army okay a city fell and so the people

[00:13:18] were like fasting okay got it and this probably took place around November of 604 BCE okay

[00:13:27] and this event was recorded in the nebuchadnezzar chronicle and I was like I'm sorry excuse you what

[00:13:33] right what is that yeah I'll tell you that in just a sec because you know I look that shit up

[00:13:37] right okay and this event may have caused a little bit of terror in Judah because they had just

[00:13:44] allied themselves with Egypt since the death of Josiah in 609 okay okay so they're like oh fuck

[00:13:51] me so they declared a fast got it okay so okay I'm sorry let's go back to nebuchadnezzar

[00:13:57] chronicle now yeah right like what the fuck is that right it's also known as the Jerusalem chronicle

[00:14:04] and it's one of the series of Babylonian chronicles and it contains a description of the first 11

[00:14:12] years of the reign of nebuchadnezzar the second yeah what all right the tablet details nebuchadnezzar's

[00:14:18] military campaigns in the west and has been interpreted to refer to both the battle of Karsha Mesh

[00:14:25] and the siege of Jerusalem in 597 BCE oh wow right yeah and the tablet itself is currently stored

[00:14:34] in the british museum I think we talked about this once before no that was a different tablet are

[00:14:39] you sure yes okay yes all right yeah I was very excited about this all right okay also they have

[00:14:47] found seals of many of the people Baruch being one of them yeah that not all of them have been

[00:14:56] like quote unquote authenticated sure but they have found things that suggest that some of these

[00:15:03] people actually existed got it yeah so that's very cool which I mean that makes sense we've

[00:15:08] done the bit of research that we have done kind of indicates that the whole Jeremiah and Baruch

[00:15:14] thing is pretty well established yeah it's a thing that probably happened right maybe not the way

[00:15:19] that the Bible records it is happening with all the magic and gods right all right but that

[00:15:25] relationship that that entity of writers that that whatever those guys they existed yeah right yeah I

[00:15:30] just I don't know every time that happens I'm like that's cool because I like history yeah all right

[00:15:37] so then Baruch read from the book of the words of Jeremiah in the house of the Lord in the chamber

[00:15:44] of Gemaraya the son of Shafan the scribe in the upper court at the entry of the new gate

[00:15:51] of the Lord's house in the hearing of all the people okay that's a lot of guys yeah did you get all

[00:15:56] that sure okay when Makaya the son of Gemaraya the son of Shafan heard all the words of the Lord

[00:16:05] from the book he then went down to the king's house into the scribes chamber and there all the

[00:16:11] princes were sitting a Lashama the scribe the liar the son of Shemaia Elmathan the son of Ac Boer

[00:16:20] Gemaraya the son of Shafan Zedakaya the son of Hanna Naya and all the princes and so a lot of

[00:16:26] those seals of those guys have been found okay yeah so I mean that's just cool right then Makaya

[00:16:34] declared to them all the words that he had heard when Baruch read the book in the hearing of the

[00:16:40] people therefore all the princes sent Jehudai the son of Nethanaya yeah sorry I thought

[00:16:50] it was gonna say Nethaniel and then my mouth got ahead of me Nethanaya the son of Shemaia the son

[00:16:56] of Kushi Tuberuk saying take in your hand the scroll from which you have read in the hearing of

[00:17:03] the people and come they're like this is this news this thing you're reading this sounds important

[00:17:10] so come we got some guys you need to read this too okay alright so Baruch the son of Naya took

[00:17:16] the scroll in his hand and came to them these Prince guys yeah okay and they said to him sit down

[00:17:21] now and read it in our hearing so they were like we have some princes that might need to hear this

[00:17:26] okay so Baruch read it in their hearing okay yeah so let me go back to my notes here and Jewish

[00:17:35] traditions suggest that the oh I'm not there yet nothing okay yeah that'll come in a minute

[00:17:40] okay so now it happened when they had heard all the words the princes yeah were like interested

[00:17:46] that they looked in fear from one to another and said to Baruch oh shit that's what they said

[00:17:54] right but they were like we will surely tell the king of all these words hmm they were like

[00:17:58] oh king's gonna want to know about this because this is bad got it and they asked Baruch saying tell

[00:18:04] us now how did you write all these words at his instruction so Baruch answered them he proclaimed

[00:18:10] with his mouth not his butt all these words to me and I wrote them with ink in the book

[00:18:17] Jeremiah proclaimed them to you yeah where's he saying God proclaimed them to him

[00:18:21] Baruch answered them he proclaimed with his mouth Jeremiah proclaimed with his mouth these words

[00:18:28] to me and I wrote them with ink right I'm just saying it would carry more authority if it was

[00:18:34] coming directly from God right well yeah that but they're saying Baruch how did you come by this

[00:18:39] and Baruch is saying well you know that prophet guy Jeremiah he told me to write this shit down

[00:18:45] but they don't like him so I'm not like this one like political aspect of this thing I'm not

[00:18:49] really understanding some of them do okay some of them are so this is the way of getting around the

[00:18:56] yeah you know snubby no Jeremiah to read some of the people that might actually want to hear

[00:19:01] what he has to say exactly exactly they're they're trying to spread the word got it to people

[00:19:06] that might be able to help okay better in positions of power that might actually

[00:19:13] want to know about this and act on it got it so then the princess said to Baruch go and hide

[00:19:19] you in Jeremiah and let no one know where you are okay okay so that's where I cut myself off okay

[00:19:26] Jewish tradition suggests that the place of concealment was with the so-called quote grotto of Jeremiah

[00:19:33] which is located outside the Damascus gate okay okay so I don't know how much um credence to put

[00:19:41] in that but there is a Jewish tradition that says that that's where it was yeah okay these people

[00:19:46] were really like not well thought of though apparently because they had to hide out and get their message

[00:19:51] spread in different ways yeah but these are princes so these guys are like okay we got you

[00:19:59] but yeah but I mean like when you get higher up into political circles there are people that want to

[00:20:03] hear different messages and if it serves them yeah to hear that message then like they're probably

[00:20:09] seeing the reality right like the hey these these fucking people are coming to attack us and we need

[00:20:15] to motivate people to do something about it right and you know if this is the way to do it then

[00:20:22] we should go with this but like you know if it's not what people want to hear you still have to hide

[00:20:28] the messenger is not going to be well thought of overall but it might serve their political purposes

[00:20:33] that is true that's true okay so these guys they went to the king into the court but they stored

[00:20:40] the scroll in the chamber of al-Ashama the scribe okay and they told all the words in the hearing

[00:20:46] of the king so they didn't take the scribe or the people with them they just went and told the

[00:20:51] king themselves like king guy we got a story to tell you yeah and you really want to hear this

[00:20:57] this is bad okay so the king sent jahudi to bring the scroll okay because he's like no I don't

[00:21:04] I need to see this for myself right right okay and he took it from al-Ashama the scribe's chamber

[00:21:09] and jahudi read it in the hearing of the king and in the hearing of all the princes who stood beside

[00:21:14] the king now the king was sitting in the winter house in the ninth month with a fire burning on

[00:21:21] the hearth before him okay so when they say he's sitting in his winter house it wasn't like an

[00:21:26] entirely different house it was just like the wing of the house built for winter yes where they had

[00:21:32] fires going and it the best of the sun making use of that sure okay and it happened when jahudi had

[00:21:40] read three or four columns that the king cut it with the scribe's knife and cast it into the fire

[00:21:46] on the hearth until all the scroll was consumed in the fire that was on the hearth so this is political

[00:21:52] oh yeah 100% yeah okay let me tell you a little bit about this yeah okay it has been estimated

[00:22:01] that the scroll containing Jeremiah's prophecies was a fairly extensive collection containing several

[00:22:08] multiples of three or four columns of writing because don't forget these are scrolls not books

[00:22:14] right yeah okay also another note scribes use small sharp knives to trim their read pens so like cutting

[00:22:23] wooden of necessarily been easy okay as all ancient Hebrew manuscripts sheets found to date were made

[00:22:32] of either leather or vellum instead of papyrus it would have been difficult to cut through them with

[00:22:37] just a scribe's knife okay scholars therefore conclude that the scroll was likely cut sheet by sheet

[00:22:44] at the sutures uh where they were put together right right okay um this this part is so interesting to

[00:22:51] me probably too many details for you but i just think this is so interesting yeah researchers have

[00:22:57] studied the average number of lines per column and the average number of words per line in ancient

[00:23:04] Hebrew biblical manuscripts to estimate that the text in one of the columns of writing described

[00:23:11] in this verse we contain a little bit more than one chapter of Jeremiah okay right so therefore

[00:23:18] it has been estimated that the scroll destroyed in the presence of King Joachim would have contained

[00:23:24] between 18 to 24 chapters of the book of Jeremiah oh wow which may form the major parts of the first

[00:23:33] 25 chapters in the current version of the book okay so 25 chapters basically he cut up and tossed

[00:23:42] into the fire got it yeah I just I don't know that like made it feel more I could understand what

[00:23:49] was happening more right you know yeah and scroll to book I don't know how that translates

[00:23:55] sure it's like miles to kilometers right yeah okay so he's doing this and he's cutting it up and

[00:24:02] he throws it in the fire that was on the hearth yet they the princes were not afraid nor did

[00:24:07] nor did they tear their garments the king or any of his servants who heard all these words okay

[00:24:13] nobody was worried or scared okay yeah nevertheless Elnathan Delaya and Gamaraya implored the king

[00:24:23] not to burn the scroll they were like dude king my guy I don't think that was smart but he would not

[00:24:30] listen to them and the king commanded Jeremiah the king's son Saraya the son of Asriel

[00:24:37] and Shalamaya the son of Abdel to seize Baruch the scribe and Jeremiah the prophet but the Lord

[00:24:45] hid them the Lord hid them or the princes said hey hide yeah as they had already done yeah yeah

[00:24:52] they were already hiding right they knew this was not going to go over that's why the princess that's

[00:24:56] why Jeremiah told Baruch to do it and that's why the princess said yeah you both need to hide that's

[00:25:02] why he's saying this all sounds very this is very political this is a very political yeah much of

[00:25:08] like information this is all right right is the word you're looking for yeah yeah yeah I like that word

[00:25:14] and it's perfect here right yes now after the king had burned the scroll with the words which Baruch

[00:25:20] had written at the instruction of Jeremiah the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah saying you know

[00:25:27] this this whole scroll is gone everything that you just wrote all those hundreds of words 25

[00:25:32] is chapters right gone right okay take yet another scroll and write on it all the former words

[00:25:39] that were in the first scroll which walk him the king of Judah has burned and you shall say to

[00:25:45] walk him king of Judah thus says the Lord you fuckers have burned this scroll saying why have you

[00:25:53] written in it that the king of Babylon will certainly come and destroy this land and cause man and

[00:25:58] beast to cease from here therefore thus says the Lord concerning what came king of Judah he shall have

[00:26:04] no one to sit on the throne of fucking David and his dead body shall be cast out to the heat of the day

[00:26:09] and the frost of the night are you taking note here I'm telling you to write this shit down right

[00:26:13] you doing it I'm telling you to write it on top of all the other shit that you already wrote right

[00:26:19] like yeah you already told him that a hundred times yeah they got it right okay God's still talking

[00:26:25] I will punish him his fucking family his fucking servants and all for their iniquity what the

[00:26:32] fuck the servants yeah that's bullshit yeah I'm punishing everybody I'm God I'm precarious yeah I'm

[00:26:39] petty I am vengeful I'm a jealous god but the thing is though this king is petty and jealous and

[00:26:46] vengeful right he's the one dismissing out of hand these these notes and it's his decision as to

[00:26:53] whether he's going to make moves to change things with regard to this information or not right

[00:26:58] and yet everybody he knows and hasn't I'm God I can't have time for that I don't want to hear that

[00:27:05] I'm just saying it's kind of a shit move on God I don't want to hear it right okay I mean that

[00:27:09] it's like those um those cartoons on the uh youtube where all the time he just goes

[00:27:16] cuz I'm bad right right right like that's his sole answer like cuz I'm God yeah because I said so

[00:27:22] right the end and I will bring on them and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem and on the men of Judah

[00:27:28] all the fucking doom that I have pronounced against them but they did not heed okay so I mean

[00:27:36] we're basically catching back up to where we were before you know like remember that time when

[00:27:42] we already this already happened and then we had to go back and be like this is what happened

[00:27:47] and now we're back to okay so anyway yeah yeah then Jeremiah took another scroll and gave it

[00:27:53] to Baruch the scribe the son of Nariah yeah who wrote on it at the instruction of Jeremiah all the

[00:27:59] words of the book which Joachim King of Judah had burned in the fire and besides they were added

[00:28:05] to them many similar words the end okay so that is why this chapter so fucking repetitive and stupid

[00:28:13] because they were like writing it down over and over and over again I guess yeah that's my that's

[00:28:20] my guess that that that whole chapter seemed somewhat pointless like here write these words down

[00:28:27] and then go take them to the king and then the king's gonna not like them and then write them down

[00:28:32] again I mean yeah you could have said it so much quicker than what you did yeah the king didn't listen

[00:28:38] God's gonna destroy him and everybody he's always right I mean like there was there was there's

[00:28:44] just nothing new there you know it was cool finding out that there's some dudes in the castle some

[00:28:53] prince guys that are like high up right that are kind of yeah the political intrigue was a nice touch

[00:28:59] I like that but overall the message was not really new information or anything

[00:29:06] it's still God's am I getcha yeah but I do I do really like the idea of seeing this through

[00:29:12] a political lens though yes because to me it's it's what was actually happening like that that

[00:29:18] now I can't say that with authority right but to me that's how it feels I just like feels like

[00:29:24] it's it's a political thing I want to read this book you know what I mean yeah like I want to see

[00:29:29] this movie I want to watch this mini series on Netflix right right without all the gobbling good God

[00:29:37] stuff I just want the political intrigue yeah yeah like I want the guys sitting in the back room going

[00:29:43] okay how do we get the people okay we got to phrase it that God said like that's the story I

[00:29:50] want well and you in for that matter you could actually take out every reference to God and just

[00:29:55] make this about the impending doom coming in from Babylon yeah and and and how to prepare for it

[00:30:02] and why we should prepare for it it could be a whole different conversation really yes that doesn't

[00:30:07] even have to involve God yes that's like I said that's the story I want to read right that's the

[00:30:12] movie I want to watch that's the show I want to binge yeah so somebody get on that

[00:30:19] all right well that was Jeremiah chapter 36 sure fuck was which means that we'll be back tomorrow

[00:30:25] Jeremiah chapter 37 all right we'll see you then okay okay

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