Jeremiah Chapter 39: Atheist Bible Study

Jeremiah Chapter 39: Atheist Bible Study

In this latest episode of our no-holds-barred atheist podcast, we tear into the biblical circus that is Jeremiah Chapter 39 with the finesse of a skeptic wielding Occam's razor. Brace yourself for a blasphemous deep dive into the so-called prophecies of Jeremiah, where we call out the holy smoke and mirrors for what they truly are: a mixture of political intrigue, convenient alliances, and some serious eyebrow-raising divine justifications.


"Jeremiah Chapter 39" is not your Sunday school teacher's podcast. We're unpacking the tale of Jeremiah, who seems to flip-flop between prophet and political pawn faster than you can say "Babylonian conspiracy." We question whether Jeremiah was less a mouthpiece of God and more a savvy strategist in cahoots with the enemy. Oh, the heresy!


Get ready to laugh, facepalm, and maybe even shout at your speakers as we expose the moral quandaries and ethical gymnastics performed by religious apologists defending this biblical narrative. From the grim fates of King Zedekiah's sons to the curious case of a prophet who's both persecuted and protected, we spare no holy cow in our pursuit of the truth (or at least a good chuckle).


Did Jeremiah have a hotline to the divine, or was he just well-connected with Nebuchadnezzar's crew? We discuss the implications of a prophet being treated like royalty by the very empire he's supposed to be warning against. We also shine a light on the character Ebed-Melech, whose miraculous salvation seems suspiciously convenient and, frankly, a perfect plot device for a prophet in need of a friend.


If you've ever wondered how ancient texts might serve as propaganda, look no further. This episode dissects how the stories we're told—and the ones we tell ourselves—can be used to justify actions that range from questionable to downright despicable.


Buckle up, non-believers (and brave believers with a sense of humor), as we navigate the historical minefield of Jeremiah Chapter 39 with the sass and skepticism you've come to love. Prepare to be entertained, enlightened, or enraged (possibly all three) as we take on the divine drama in true irreverent fashion.


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[00:01:16] Welcome to sacrilegious discourse. I'm husband and I'm wife. Together we're reading

[00:01:20] the Bible for the very first time. We grew up without religion and wanted to know what all the fuss

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[00:01:45] read the Bible. Yeah let's get to it. Husband! Wife! Do you remember what happened yesterday and where

[00:01:54] the hell we are today? Well, yesterday we read Jeremiah chapter 38. We did. And in that chapter I

[00:02:02] believe Jeremiah was trying to tell everyone how they're all gonna die and shit so like there were

[00:02:09] some guards that like through a system. They threw them in a sister and like in the muck, in the

[00:02:15] mire, in the pit, in whatever. And there wasn't enough bread for them and stuff so like there was

[00:02:21] this other person that was working for the kings at Akaya. Yeah. And he was like dude he's gonna

[00:02:26] die with no bread. Yeah it was an Ethiopian unit. Yeah yeah that guy. And so they were like okay go

[00:02:33] get 30 men or three men one of the two and go save them. Yeah. And so they went and saved them

[00:02:38] and then they brought them to the king. And the king was like for the second time because he'd

[00:02:42] already talked to him in the past. This was more than a second time. Whatever he's talking to him again

[00:02:45] and he's like hey hey is it what's what's what's the what's the real deal? Can you tell me the real

[00:02:50] deal and then God's gonna save us right you guys see where Miracle in your pocket. Jeremiah's like dude

[00:02:56] I told you I told you this man you're like are you just gonna kill me you're gonna what it what's

[00:03:01] gonna happen like why would I why should I tell you yeah and he's like he promised to get to

[00:03:07] he's do you swear you won't do anything bad and he's like I swear to God you know I'm not

[00:03:11] gonna do anything bad. And then Jeremiah's like okay and he told him and the same thing nothing new

[00:03:18] right yeah same thing he's gonna die whatever if he doesn't do doesn't give up to Babylon or whatever

[00:03:24] and then many you know instead of Kyah or the guy was like don't tell anybody that all right what

[00:03:30] you told me yeah that tracks okay and then he was in the good prison instead of the sister in

[00:03:35] right and that's pretty much I think what happened last time he was not in the scribes dungeon

[00:03:41] no no he was in the better prison. I'm just so excited that a scribe had a dungeon. I am actually

[00:03:47] really excited that he was able to keep his mouth shut right now to not get thrown into the sister

[00:03:52] again again for the third time right. He's been in it twice because I think that was a real

[00:03:57] feat for him actually yeah honestly and he seems to not be able to do that generally. Well I mean

[00:04:04] he is playing the part of a double spy so. I mean that's what I think yeah yeah I totally think

[00:04:10] red yeah so that was Jeremiah chapter 38. It sure as fuck was which means that today we're getting

[00:04:16] into Jeremiah chapter 39. All right let's do this. Okey dokey.

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[00:05:04] Okay so we are hopping into Jeremiah chapter 39 okay and as per usual with this fucking book I have

[00:05:11] some notes before we start. Let me say something real quick before we start because I think everybody's

[00:05:16] going to be getting this episode in the morning on Friday. When it should be coming out Thursday?

[00:05:23] Well yeah so I mean what we fell behind this week because of sickness and whatever right so

[00:05:29] we're gonna try to do another episode later today even so there there may be two episodes coming

[00:05:35] out today just like there was yesterday so if you are planning on keeping up this week or whatever

[00:05:41] be prepared that there might be yet another episode coming out today later. Thank you sorry thank you

[00:05:47] yeah yeah so I just wanted to preface that before we started the the full episode here.

[00:05:52] That we are working very hard to try to catch up to where we should be right right yeah and that

[00:05:59] being said you said you had some notes. I did thank you sir yeah yeah so Jeremiah chapter 39

[00:06:05] is numbered as my favorite part of every episode I know Jeremiah chapter 46 in the septo

[00:06:13] agent which is the Greek translation right and also this chapter is part of that narrative

[00:06:20] that we've been discussing that consists of chapters 37 through 44 okay you know this one little

[00:06:26] story bit that's actually kind of interesting right now I'm enjoying the way this is being told

[00:06:31] in the way the information that they're parsing out right so it's it's been a little bit more

[00:06:38] tolerable than some of the other stuff in Jeremiah thus far right it's definitely like way better

[00:06:43] than Isaiah yeah well that's not hard to do no the bars on the fucking I mean the repetitiveness is

[00:06:50] still just as bad in general but this section we've got some good stories okay I mean things are

[00:06:56] happening for the Bible for a profit story whatever yeah it's just doing it's it's it's better

[00:07:00] caveat caveat caveat yes yes caveat all day okay here we go yeah in the ninth year of

[00:07:09] Zedakaya king of Judah uh-huh in the 10th month in the 10th month

[00:07:14] Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon and all his army came against Jerusalem and besieged it

[00:07:20] that's right we left off where Jeremiah was in jail until they got besieged yeah and taken over

[00:07:28] so this that's happening right now yeah okay all right in the 11th year of Zedakaya yeah so like

[00:07:34] two months later in the fourth month sure oh in the four oh so six months later yeah okay in the

[00:07:39] ninth day of the month the city was penetrated yeah it was then all the princes of the king of

[00:07:48] Babylon came in and sat in the middle gate okay okay so this is who these guys were Nergal Sherser

[00:07:57] Sam Garnibo Sarsishim Rabsaurus Nergal or Serazar Rab Mag you know with the rest of the

[00:08:08] princes of the king of Babylon I'm sitting here watching you try to pronounce these and it's it's

[00:08:12] entertaining just to see you like struggle with the names because you're like gnarled down you know

[00:08:18] you're kind of an asshole I am I am you are trying really hard really hard and I should give you

[00:08:24] you're doing you're doing very well so anyway all those guys that I struggled over yes along with

[00:08:29] all the rest of the princes of the king of Babylon sure they went and they sat in the goddamn

[00:08:34] middle of the gate they were like boom here's my lunch there but they sit in the middle of the

[00:08:37] gator they said at the middle gate oh they sat in the middle gate in the middle gate and probably

[00:08:44] in the middle of the middle gate maybe maybe they sat on the side of it but it was definitely the

[00:08:49] middle gate I think that they sat in the middle of it and I'll tell you why in a minute okay right yeah

[00:08:53] so it was when Zedekaya the king of Judah and all the men of war saw them that they fucking fled

[00:09:00] and went out of the city by night they were like bitch bye I gotta go man are these guys that

[00:09:05] terrifying they just fucking knocked down the walls of your city yeah they're probably gonna kill you

[00:09:11] according to Jeremiah you're the king and you've been like you're like new up bae fair enough

[00:09:18] yeah um so they went out of the city by night by way of the king's garden by the gate between

[00:09:25] the two walls and he went out by way of the plane you know the plane yeah but the childy and army

[00:09:32] pursued them and overtook Zedekaya in the plains of Jericho and when they had captured him they brought

[00:09:38] him up to Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon to Riblah in the hand of Hamath or I'm sorry in the land of

[00:09:45] Hamath okay where he pronounced judgment on him oh yeah okay so I have a few notes I bet he

[00:09:52] had to twice words to say since he was supposed to be his little you know puppet yeah yeah well

[00:09:58] I I have some notes okay yeah so when I said in the ninth year of Zedekaya king of Judah in

[00:10:05] the tenth month yeah that would have been about January 587 BCE okay yeah so that's the time

[00:10:14] period that we're discussing okay and then further on when it says the eleventh year of Zedekaya

[00:10:18] in the fourth month that would have been about July of 586 BCE okay okay okay so the walls of Jerusalem

[00:10:27] were breached after 18 months of siege and the city fell afterward completely devoid of food so

[00:10:34] that cannibalism became prevalent oh and that was a common practice they would just sit and wait

[00:10:41] him out which is kind of interesting because when you think about what's happening in Gaza right now

[00:10:47] yeah um this is this is a way that this this was common this is how they beat them and this is

[00:10:57] what is happening yeah and you know no it's really it's really disgusting to me what is happening

[00:11:04] in Gaza because hey look there's no winners in war right and I don't I don't agree with

[00:11:12] you know fighting for whatever it doesn't I don't agree with war you know like but

[00:11:18] there's there's there's better ways to do it than what the is being done and I mean they literally

[00:11:23] literally are starving these people on purpose I mean can I like have two ideas in my head at

[00:11:30] the same time which is that what Hamas did in the first place was obviously bad and wrong right

[00:11:36] but can I also say that but genocide is way bad and way wrong yeah no I think that's the problem is

[00:11:43] that you know we're not allowed to hold like the main narrative on the media is that we're not

[00:11:49] allowed to hold these two narratives at once right no it's only they have a right to exist and

[00:11:54] they have a right to protect themselves and I'm like at the cost of genocide I don't think that

[00:11:59] is true sir right right no nobody has the right to exist at the price of genocide sorry no

[00:12:08] measured response I think is the correct words here they need to be implemented and utilized

[00:12:13] like if children were to react like this we would teach them to do better right you know

[00:12:21] we would take away their toys yeah like this is not okay so anyway I'm sorry we're going to have

[00:12:26] a little tangent there well when I read that you know the city fell afterward because they just they

[00:12:32] sat them out they ringed the city they blocked anything from coming in or out yeah and they starved

[00:12:38] them out right and then they the people inside fell to cannell cannibalism because there was literally

[00:12:43] nothing else sure and that is it was a common tactic in those times you know like that's not an

[00:12:48] uncommon tactic back then and it seems that it is still a common tactic today because that is what's

[00:12:55] happening it's it's happening today I wouldn't say that it's uh looked upon as a good tactic and one

[00:13:02] should that should be in place not definitely not something that we think should be implemented it's

[00:13:06] not a humanitarian act I will tell you that not anyway what's what and in the year of our mother

[00:13:12] fucking lord 2024 not my lord we should be better than this we definitely as a whole so anyway

[00:13:19] okay when I told you that they sat in the middle gate all those princes yeah in a modern day setting

[00:13:25] so if we were to like do a you know analogy of you know here's what it would mean if that happened

[00:13:32] today yeah okay sitting in the gates of the city was similar to an enemy conquering Washington D.C.

[00:13:39] and then sitting in the obel office and I like it think was but that happened on January 6th no

[00:13:46] I didn't okay but similar you know what I mean okay yeah they went on the the floor yes that's not

[00:13:55] anywhere near the goal office no I know I'm just saying like similar you know okay like that was

[00:14:01] the analogy that was used by the people who wrote these notes that I'm drawing from sure but

[00:14:07] all I could think was the right January 6 because they went and they sat and you know

[00:14:13] right I just wanted to clarify that wasn't the oval no I know what was in the fucking

[00:14:16] oval office it wasn't the White House I know that okay I know that it was still very sure yes

[00:14:23] the symbolism is very equivalent once again you know we are seeing a similar act done today by

[00:14:31] shitty people shitty actors yeah okay so one more note here on the capture of Kingsettakaya

[00:14:39] um wait yeah Kingsettakaya yeah so it was at the city of Ribla is what I said yeah

[00:14:47] where you brought him for judgment yeah um Ribla was a city on the O'Rontus River in Syria okay

[00:14:54] okay and it was strategically located out acrossing of the major roads between Egypt and Mesopotamia

[00:15:01] okay okay and he was likely like one hour away from safety when he got captured

[00:15:08] oh wow yeah yeah like he almost made it right um about 22 years before this or around 609 BCE

[00:15:17] Faro Nico had brought Jehovah has there putting him in chains and that was in second Kings

[00:15:24] prior to taking him captive to Egypt so yeah that's interesting right now Nebuchadnezzar made it his

[00:15:32] base camp for his campaigns against the Palestinian states and his seat of judgment on prisoners

[00:15:38] brought to him there hmm okay that's just a little bit of history side notes yeah yeah which

[00:15:44] you know I just love that shit yeah okay so anyway he's been brought for judgment he's captured

[00:15:50] and brought for judgment okay then the king of Babylon killed the sons of Zedakaya before his eyes

[00:15:55] in Ribla which yeah right the king of Babylon also killed all the nobles of Judah more over he put out

[00:16:05] Zedakaya's eyes so first he made him watch his sons be killed and then he put his eyes out right

[00:16:11] and apparently it was common for the Babylonians to um blind their enemies by sticking their thumbs

[00:16:18] in their eyeballs oh god yeah and that was just the thing they did that's horrible like maybe we take

[00:16:24] prisoners but we don't take them friendly right yeah so um then he bound him with bronze fetters to

[00:16:32] carry him off to Babylon okay so he basically you know put him chains right and the chaldeans burned

[00:16:39] the king's house and the houses of the people with fire because that's what burn that's how fire burns

[00:16:47] yes they didn't know not with ice say what definitely wasn't ice and or silly putty or coffee no

[00:16:55] yeah they burned it with fire right yeah and that they burn the houses of the people with fire and

[00:17:01] broke down the walls of Jerusalem so whatever was still standing sure they knocked that shit down

[00:17:07] then nebazera dan the captain of the guard carried away captive to Babylon the remnant of the people

[00:17:16] who remained in the city and those who defected to him with the rest of the people who remained

[00:17:22] okay so there were some Judeans who were like just kidding I'm on your team

[00:17:27] sure sure which is fair yeah why didn't even that's what Jeremiah has been promoting too so I mean

[00:17:34] that was probably at least some people that listened to him and were like yeah you're here we're

[00:17:38] definitely yeah but we'll go with you nose goes right not it then nebazera dan the captain of

[00:17:47] the guard left in the land of Judah the poor people who had nothing and gave them vineyards and

[00:17:53] fields at the same time so he didn't leave them completely bereft right but I feel like that

[00:17:59] was more to work the fields for them oh yeah and it wasn't like shipping them the fields no it was

[00:18:05] and this is your job now right you can eat though you get to live yeah and work this land sure so I

[00:18:12] mean yeah was it cruel it was less than water yeah it was probably no worse than what they were

[00:18:18] dealing with before right exactly exactly now we get into the next little section okay now nebacad

[00:18:26] nezir king of babelon gave charge concerning Jeremiah to nebazera dan the captain of the guard so

[00:18:34] the king told his guard take him and look after him and do him no harm but due to him just as he says

[00:18:42] to you okay so he's like take care of this guy you know because he's my fucking double slide right

[00:18:48] yeah so he's like thank you for not this is totally vindicating everything right yeah the fact that

[00:18:55] he's like okay anyway I want to hear this out I'm really I'm really glad you didn't kill him while

[00:19:00] you were out there killing everybody right mr guard of mine and also yeah take good care of him

[00:19:06] right if you would I want to hear out you know I want to hear the whole thing but like yeah that's

[00:19:11] that's interesting yeah he gets a little bit of a choice lot here so nebazera dan the captain

[00:19:17] of the guard sent nebousha ban rab seris nairgol sharazera rab mag and all the king of babelon's chief

[00:19:27] officers then they sent someone to take Jeremiah from the court of the prison and committed him to get a

[00:19:33] liea the son of a heek him the son of chiffon that he should take him home and those were people

[00:19:39] remember that had been friends of his yeah so okay he was like all y'all you know higher upy people

[00:19:49] take care of him sure like you get to live you get to live you get to live and you take care of

[00:19:53] Jeremiah right right okay so he dwelt among the people okay so these people um the people that

[00:20:02] he stayed that Jeremiah was assigned to yeah those were people of great affluence and

[00:20:09] they had high positions which leads me to believe that they were probably part of

[00:20:17] that or not zedakaya babelon nebukinezar they were probably part of that whole babelonian

[00:20:24] um uh intrigue you know what i mean like that they were probably part of that these were definitely his

[00:20:32] friends and not people from okay yes because a heek him he had helped him before all right okay it stood

[00:20:39] up for him before okay okay um i don't remember what chapter where that was but there was a cohort

[00:20:44] of them that were like probably conspiring with babelon yes that's that's this transition

[00:20:49] and they're getting treated well because yes they did yes at least that's how i'm interpreted

[00:20:54] and that's what i was trying to convey and i couldn't make the words come out right so thank you for

[00:20:57] understanding what i was trying to convey yes so that is what happened okay all right so let me go

[00:21:04] back to my little notes over here and um there was some question like how was Jeremiah known

[00:21:12] to the babelonian authorities so i i could answer this one i think it wasn't made clear in the bible

[00:21:18] no but i i was able to uh extrapolate that information from the information that was given yeah at

[00:21:24] least before i was even told um why that might be a thing i guessed at it yes and now it seems to

[00:21:32] to be hitting home pretty solidly so do you want to know what apologist i do i do i do

[00:21:38] want to know what the counter offer is here they're saying it was very likely through the judayan

[00:21:43] deserters that they they were like oh i am a prisoner of yours now oh there goes Jeremiah he's

[00:21:52] he's a prophet he was profiting on your team oh shit right oh sorry did i yeah i cough there i

[00:21:57] think yeah i'm like no they were they were not excited about no no so fuck off with that bullshit

[00:22:03] right yeah miss me with that shit as the kids say yeah that fucker was conspiring with babelon right

[00:22:10] i was like are you kidding me right now yeah i look i don't want to judge him for doing that maybe

[00:22:15] you thought that was what was best for baton for um israel you know yeah i mean babelon was like

[00:22:20] i'm not trying to judge him for that act i'm just saying that don't tell me he wasn't doing this

[00:22:25] because that's how the whole fucking story sounds yeah it's quite obvious right even though

[00:22:32] this is being told from Jeremiah as we said in just the last chapter the fact that it is being told

[00:22:38] by Jeremiah makes it even more likely that this was the case because if i'm getting that from what

[00:22:44] he's telling me right imagine if somebody else word it yeah yeah there's literally people in israel

[00:22:51] before they got captured throwing him in jail for thinking he's conspiring with the fucking babelon

[00:22:55] but the babelonians yeah yeah yeah so totally yes i love these chapters now because

[00:23:04] this is great they're making us feel sorry yeah no honestly i mean okay i got to give credit where

[00:23:09] credit is due you were the one that put this together it just made perfect sense once you said it

[00:23:14] yeah and i was like oh yeah obviously right i mean it's fun to just sit here and listen to

[00:23:20] the story because i have no preconceived notion as to what is going to happen or what isn't going

[00:23:26] to happen or what have you right and so i'm just listening to you tell it to me and i'm like

[00:23:30] that sounds like that could probably have like i love being able to comment on how these things

[00:23:36] i how i see them right you know yeah i'm not always right i'm probably never right well i'm only

[00:23:42] half right because there's always somebody else with a different idea right but the fact that i'm

[00:23:48] not always completely wrong makes me very happy yeah no it's the same kind of um validation that i get

[00:23:56] when we think of a question and then we go and look like i go and research it later and it's like

[00:24:03] a question that everybody's asking and i'm like oh okay that makes me feel good like yeah we're not

[00:24:09] i don't mean attention yeah yeah i'm learning something yeah exactly exactly even if it's not

[00:24:15] with the apologists want me to learn exactly yeah all right so we got one little section left

[00:24:20] okay mean while man with a ranch the word of the lord had come to Jeremiah i bet it did

[00:24:28] mm-hmm better did while he was shut up in the court of the prison saying so here's God talking

[00:24:33] to Jeremiah according to this is before you got rescued by the Babylonians um no this is while

[00:24:39] he's being taken care of by the guys oh so you know um the king of Babylon said oh yeah guard take

[00:24:47] care of him and then the guard was like yeah cool cool go stay with your friends right but it says

[00:24:52] while he's shut up in the court of the prison um oh you're right which is where he was my apologies

[00:24:58] you're you're right sorry so um according to baruch according to Jeremiah according to God

[00:25:05] because you know baruch wrote this right yeah whatever maybe go and speak to a bed malac the Ethiopian

[00:25:12] that's the guy that helped pull him out of the sister wait a second wait a second a bed malac got saved

[00:25:18] here yeah all right because this is this is just this is all coming together yeah like this is all

[00:25:27] coming together exactly like i thought it might mm-hmm because it like what the fuck did this guy get

[00:25:32] a mention for right if he didn't have something to do with the whole conspiracy after all right and

[00:25:37] I was like at the time when they were when they mentioned at first I was like he's totally part of like

[00:25:42] the the team babbled yeah right yeah i'm like okay this is weird because like why is this guy the servant

[00:25:48] of the king he's a nobody right right yeah okay anyway go ahead go ahead sorry I'm enjoying this

[00:25:54] immensely right now so I know my smile is so big it's making my my cheek muscles hurt

[00:26:00] go and speak to a bed malac the Ethiopian saying thus says the lord of hosts the god of Israel

[00:26:08] behold I will bring my words upon the city for adversity and not for good and they shall be performed

[00:26:16] in that day before you but I will deliver you in that day random person says the lord yeah

[00:26:25] and you shall not be given into the hand of the men whom you are afraid of whom you are afraid

[00:26:31] for I will surely deliver you and you shall not fall fall by the sword but your life shall be as a

[00:26:37] prize to you because you have put your trust in me says the lord wow the end that's so beautiful

[00:26:44] and amazing and so easily prophesized when you are friends with the fucking Babylonians

[00:26:53] such bullshit I know like we're supposed to take this whole book as a prophecy uh-huh

[00:26:59] and it's nothing but BS and when propaganda it's fucking politics this is crap

[00:27:06] and when I'm reading the apologists they're like oh because he trusted in the lord and put his faith

[00:27:13] and what a brave man and they're like you know just in love with a bed malac his 10 one out that's

[00:27:20] all that happened here germans team one out you can't be that foolish you know any like

[00:27:26] so they can they can do you think that they really believe that the apologists yeah 100% really

[00:27:33] they have to in order to keep their their entire structure of their god real and relevant

[00:27:40] they have to believe this shit they have to believe it the way that it makes sense as to where this

[00:27:46] is the word of god like they're reading this from the perspective like look we're reading it from

[00:27:52] the perspective of this is a story that we're reading them there's words on a page right

[00:27:55] they're reading it from the perspective of our god though this god that we love and and worship and

[00:28:02] respect and love and and he takes care of us and we you know whatever all the things but he

[00:28:10] they they have to do it from that perspective because otherwise their entire

[00:28:15] world falls apart and they just can't allow for that to happen that's why there is that's

[00:28:22] why there are apologists apologists are the ones that are like this has to work so how how do we

[00:28:29] construct this the other way to make this work to where god is real where so they're enthusiastically

[00:28:37] trying really hard oh yeah their own brains into pretzels yes i just it's the same conversation I have with

[00:28:47] with um theists all the time they they work from the the so they work from the end product

[00:28:56] backwards to make it happen the way they wanted it to happen right instead of just going through

[00:29:01] it for the first time ever and looking at it and being like oh well obviously two was two is four so

[00:29:07] and you have to i mean just to be fair when you grow up indoctrinated with these beliefs and they are

[00:29:12] something that is not just um a fairy tale but something that you literally viscerally feel and believe

[00:29:23] wholeheartedly because your entire community your entire world believes and feels the same thing

[00:29:30] according to them and i'm not saying everybody feels the same way even in the religious communities right

[00:29:34] but from that person's perspective this whole world believes and feels these same things

[00:29:42] so why wouldn't you believe that it's true why wouldn't you believe that you have to find a way

[00:29:46] to make it work if you truly believe that god is real you have to find a way to believe this book

[00:29:53] and these words and make them fit the narrative that's going to create your god as a real god that exists

[00:29:59] and is you know i just have created everything and did all of the thing i have such a hard time with this

[00:30:06] because in the apologist notes that i was reading um when they were talking about the city being

[00:30:13] starved out and the mother's um resorting to cannibalism and eating their own children yeah right

[00:30:20] those random people versus this random guy you know what i mean and i'm just like how do you make

[00:30:28] that work you you don't you you you can but you have to be looking at it from the perspective of

[00:30:37] your you believe in god right you believe in god so you have to believe that there is a reason why

[00:30:43] he chose that why he's single this person out for mentioned even though he's just a servant of a

[00:30:48] god you know he's an Ethiopian servant of a king that wasn't really that hell hell been on helping god

[00:30:54] or anything like that right why is this person being singled out right you have to believe that

[00:30:59] god has a purpose or you have to create something that's gonna allow that person to have some higher

[00:31:04] purpose and just fuck all those babies and children yeah just fuck them well yeah

[00:31:11] that's that's what i have the problem with that's um just like okay no i agree random guy

[00:31:17] but that's not what people are thinking about when they when they read that they're not but

[00:31:20] they're not thinking about them that's what i want to ask them though like what about all of those

[00:31:25] babies and children who got eaten by their own mothers but the answer is going to you already know

[00:31:31] what the answer is going to be right what what is it what is the answer going to be oh god's plan

[00:31:35] and lord works a mysterious ways exactly exactly i know i know there is no you don't ever you're

[00:31:42] never going to get a defined answer from them and the only answers that were allowed to have are

[00:31:47] the ones that god grants us right from their perspective from their perspective yeah the only

[00:31:52] answers that were allowed to have are the ones that god allow us to have okay and that's that's

[00:31:58] just how it works and we are not here to question god and that's part of the problem with being able

[00:32:05] to break away from religion is that part of the ingrained idea of what god is doesn't allow you

[00:32:12] to question him as a legitimate being right that you aren't allowed to question god god is just god

[00:32:20] and your trash right yeah who the fuck are you to question god right right you worm right essentially yes

[00:32:28] i mean that's what he has called us you first do you worm right so none of this really

[00:32:34] the what we're doing here is is just a exercise in in hopeful uh i i i really do hope that we reach people

[00:32:46] you know not not necessarily to de convert them i i i i'm not here to specifically say i want to

[00:32:53] de convert Christians okay that's not my goal right if anything my goal is to get Christians to

[00:33:00] think more evenly about what they're what they're doing start asking the questions right why is it

[00:33:07] not okay to ask the questions the questions are right there to be asked yeah you should be able

[00:33:12] to ask these questions i should be able to say these things without being called blasphemous right it's

[00:33:17] in the fucking bible right you you should ask these questions they are right they're in the words

[00:33:23] right and they need to be asked and they need an answer they deserve an answer

[00:33:31] that's not for me to decide though and that's you know for the person that has their fate to

[00:33:35] decide whether or not they want question answered or they just won't blind faith so this just to

[00:33:40] clarify a point here this makes it sound like i'm like bitter that a bed malac got saved right sure

[00:33:50] i'm not bitter that he got saved i'm bitter that the innocent people didn't yeah that is not fair

[00:33:59] well just to play devil's advocate for a second they would say well how can you worry about saving

[00:34:04] everybody people have to die at some point right what goddard obviously has some specific i'm just

[00:34:10] playing devil's advocate here goddard obviously has some specific perfect purpose in in mind for a bed

[00:34:15] malac and so a bed malac got saved now the other people they serve to purpose too to show gods

[00:34:24] willingness to destroy even his own people as much as he loved them but he had to prove his point

[00:34:30] for the disobedience that they showed now a bed malac helped even though he wasn't necessarily

[00:34:37] an israelite he helped Jeremiah who was a true servant of god and he helped him you know further

[00:34:43] his path so he he helped god in his mission to save Jeremiah and certain aspects of the the israel

[00:34:50] like community i just i can't with no i either but i'm just i'm trying to to portray it in a way that

[00:34:59] would make sense to somebody like i'm trying to be fair you know like if you want to look at

[00:35:04] that way you can i can't look at it that way that's what i'm saying like i don't understand how

[00:35:09] somebody could look at a baby being killed and say it's not mine to know or question and you know

[00:35:18] it's just god's plan an ineffable plan you know and that baby served its purpose like what

[00:35:24] you're okay with that how i agree and i would say that that kind of uh acceptance of babies dying

[00:35:32] is probably a main driver of people not not a main driver but it is definitely one reason why some

[00:35:38] people will have left religion like it's not okay that god kills babies willy nilly like what the

[00:35:44] fuck man yeah it's bullshit it is so you you can't do that and and call yourself a god

[00:35:50] it's not okay yeah we do not approve of that sir right yeah we're better than you sorry

[00:35:58] anyway i think we're rambling on here we are just kind of fuck a bed malak is all you know

[00:36:04] honestly fuck god okay fuck god and the way that he saved a bed malak in nobody else okay i'm sorry

[00:36:11] fuck that fuck this hypothetical god sorry i get carried away in our little like how we yeah play

[00:36:17] into the the whole thing in canning gods a dick in canning god is a dick okay well end on that note

[00:36:25] sounds good all right that was Jeremiah chapter 39 sure as fuck was and we're hoping to be back later

[00:36:34] today which it might be late evening mm-hmm we're hoping to back later today with the last installment

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